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Speaker 1: there's no there's no getting around it. There's nothing else

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Speaker 1: that could be about. God, what a day? What a

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Speaker 1: dramatic day. So you're sick, I'm sick. I'm like and

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Speaker 1: just like, I'm googling Cathy and Jamie anywhere and everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing great. But who is Hey, you know

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Speaker 1: has been a trial? A trial? You said, there's there's

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Speaker 1: two shows on television right now with Kevin in the title.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're all suffering, suffering. What is it? Kevin

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Speaker 1: and it's like, now he's dating Leah Remini. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the other one is called Kevin Save the World. Probably

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Speaker 1: that's not exactly what it is, but it's about something

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Speaker 1: Probably not anyways, lots of Kevin based entertainment, No thanks

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Speaker 1: said before. Yes, not a big fan of most Kevin's.

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Speaker 1: a show called Gentrification. She's a hilarious comedian. Danielle Perez. Hey, ladies,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming. Oh man, that intro was intense. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: talk about movies, like specifically the one that we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be talking about, spooky creeky door Halloween months, I'm

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Speaker 1: are the antagonistic force of the movie. We're not rooting

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Speaker 1: for them. Rights is barely in Beetle Juice. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: can come in minutes in. Oh, that's a strong case

420
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: to make me watch it. Yeah, Beatlee feminist icon. So

421
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: we yeah, we remember this story for like the three

422
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: Witches mostly, but it's like Max's story, which is kind

423
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: of weird to think about. But I would make the

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00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: argument that all of the female characters are just as active,

425
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: if not more so than him, and moving the story forward.

426
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: She doesn't watch, and Alice actually does a lot because

427
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: she in the very beginning, whenever they conjure the witches back,

428
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: she like hits one of them with a broom and

429
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: then a frying pan and actually like saves the two

430
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: girls have to save Max, and that he doesn't. It's

431
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: been established that Max the Virgin cannot fight. Yeah, held

432
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: up in a cemetery for his Nike Cross trainers. But

433
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: his buddy, your boyfriend, he's actually on his way. I

434
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: wish I could say that said, seriously, my boyfriend Ice

435
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: is like picking me up, so I can't stay. I

436
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: was so happy for you. It is so really happy

437
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: for you both, but like, yeah, he doesn't, like he

438
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: gets like shook down for his shoes, and then a

439
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: contrast of like toxic masculinity versus like whatever whatever, the

440
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know. But then they're like trigger treating and then

441
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: it's like Ice and like a larger group, And I

442
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: do love that thora Birch's character. It's like my I'm

443
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: here with my big brother, so even to watch yourselves

444
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: and the big he's actually just take my candy and

445
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: please listen. Because Ice is an extremely strong female protagonist,

446
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: so that we see the trope over and over of

447
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: men having the same women, which happens in the beginning

448
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: with Thacary trying actually failing to save his little sister Emily.

449
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: But then the next time we see a thing like that,

450
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: it's Allison and Danny having to save Max and then

451
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: he like gets his composure whatever, and he's like, oh,

452
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: the burning reign of death and like they're able to escape.

453
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: But like it was cool to you see Allison and

454
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: Danny like save they are, yeah, the team exactly. But

455
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: then it's also later on it's Allison who comes up

456
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Speaker 1: with the idea to burn the witches, which proves unsuccessful,

457
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: but she was at least like active women tearing down women.

458
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: She is, Um, how do we feel about them wanting

459
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: to deny the witches and what they want? They're fully

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00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: actualized women, I mean, but they're doing it at the

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00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: expense of the lives of children. So do we cares

462
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: a culture? Do we need children? At this point? It's

463
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: just cruel to keep having them? Right? Yeah, Like, well,

464
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to all those newborn babies. Are

465
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: we going to talk? Are we talking about the wishes?

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, Well one last So Alison has

467
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: the idea to burn the witches, and then she at

468
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: the end figures out what the witches are trying to

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Speaker 1: do with like conjuring on the children to suck the

470
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: life force out of them or whatever. So like she's

471
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: not the protagonist necessarily, but she plays an active role.

472
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: So it's nice because a lot of times you see

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00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: a supporting character like that pretty much just tagging along

474
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: and not doing anything. So you see her doing stuff

475
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: and like influencing the story. So I like that a lot.

476
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: I know I didn't appreciate because like she is the

477
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: brains of a lot of what's happening because like her

478
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: mom worked at the Witch right, And there's that scene

479
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: in the classroom where he's like, Halloween has invented by

480
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: the candy companies. I'm wearing a T shirt on the

481
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: hippie and she's like, yeah, actually, drop some knowledge on you.

482
00:30:52,280 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: Actually you live in Salem, Massachusetts. You fucking lit really

483
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: Halloween times women have died. Yeah, people are dying, Okay,

484
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: But I didn't like how the cat Thackeray was the

485
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: one that like led them to the cemetery and was like,

486
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: which is can touch hallowed ground? And it's like she

487
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: would know that. I feel like he stepped on Allison's

488
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: fact knowledge and that just she probably knew that already

489
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: because she knew about the salt well, she had to

490
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: read it from the book. She didn't learn about that

491
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: until they opened up the book at the end. Yeah,

492
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: you would think Alison would know more because of that museum.

493
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: And then she told Danny, like Flora Burges's character, like

494
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: I love witches and it's like I don't know more

495
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: about it, right, look it up. Kind of crystals are

496
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: you working with? I don't. I can't imagine anything that's strong, right,

497
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: So the Witches Kathy and Jamie who Okay, I have

498
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem with her character because

499
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: she's basically she's like very horny and she basically does

500
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: not thing. And then she's just like she's like perpetuating

501
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: like the dumb blonde bimbo stereotype. Yes, and an egregious wig.

502
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: No less than you. But she does get to use

503
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: her Broadway singing voice to conjure the children. Oh yes, yes, no,

504
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: well Sarah did she She got cast in Annie when

505
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: she was really young. Of course she's an Annie. Sarah God,

506
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: I like Sarah a lot. That's her character's name too.

507
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: It is that is fully betting out Kenny Artego is

508
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: just like here's some fake teeth, do whatever you want,

509
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: fake teeth in a wig. Go crazy and she is great.

510
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: And another thing is that it drives me crazy when

511
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: Broadway stars are put in movies, and it's like, it

512
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: would just be so so easy for you to give

513
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: us one scene them singing just a little bit, and

514
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: we get it. We get it, Yeah, we got it,

515
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: And it's so good remembered about the movie, it's pretty great.

516
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: But in terms of like their characters, I mean, like

517
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: obviously Winifred Sanderson. Bette Mallard's character is like the brains

518
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: the operation. The other two are just sort of like her.

519
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: Can't taste right. It's so between the three of them, Yeah,

520
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: they can't even do any memorize. Okay, let's try the

521
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: three of us right now to memorize a spell. We can't.

522
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's like my whole issue with Charmed.

523
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: It's like, there's three of you. You guys can't figure

524
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: out one spell between the three of you. Is your favorite?

525
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Which on Charmed? I liked Rose McGowan just because I

526
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: liked her to She's great. She's great, I did. I

527
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: love Piper and then and I love her own Pretty

528
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: Little Liars as the mom too. She stars I'm Pretty

529
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Little Liars every it's like Piper your Magic. Would it

530
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: surprise you to know that I've not seen either of

531
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: those shows. I don't ever seen charts. I don't we

532
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: have a TV podcast. I watched a lot of TV.

533
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: I can talk to you about sex in this City. Yeah,

534
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: I haven't seen so upset, I so distraught. You're ringing

535
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: at the thought of a Samantha. I'm in, I'm a Miranda,

536
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: You're you're a Charlotte Bird sick Bird. I'm actually a

537
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: Raphael because as far as I'm concerned, I'm Chris, no teenager.

538
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: And Turtles is a better version of Sex in the City. Okay, God,

539
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: they're all in New York. We're going to let you

540
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: on fire. I made a sketch called sex in the

541
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: Stewart and it's all of the Ninja Turtles as Sex

542
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: in the City characters and we just talk about turtle

543
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: sex pond. I'll share it on Twitter. It's probably the

544
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever the world contest. Wow, that's honestly amazing.

545
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Last meeting, I want me back, all right. I want

546
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: to talk about witchcraft and how it's a thing that

547
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: like men in history have been like, oh no, a

548
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: woman with agency and like identity, fuck her, she's a witch. Um.

549
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: I was trying to read it up on like the

550
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: Salem witch trials and stuff like that, and then I

551
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: forgot to finish. So I don't know if I will

552
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: be making any useful points, but I think it's worth Okay,

553
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: starting No one, Act one, Seen one, but yeah, I

554
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: think it's just worth noting that throughout history women have

555
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: been persecuted because they were thought to be witches, And

556
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: it was mostly just because they were like maybe practicing

557
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: some like pagan rituals, but like what like who can

558
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: like like they were maybe vegans, they gotta die. It

559
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: was like a lot of midwives. So it's like women

560
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: who were older, maybe didn't have children, but who had

561
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: like knowledge of like the female body and like what

562
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: it could do and how to like help it and

563
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's like this knowledge that we don't possess,

564
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: and I'm scared of it now and I got to

565
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: have someone to blame. Isn't it funny how that's still

566
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: happening right now? The GOP is like, hey, no abortions,

567
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: no birth control, no health care. Literally, I feel like

568
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: I know that there's currently no tests for like congress

569
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: or presidency, but like they should be having to take

570
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: at least like some sort of like sex one oh

571
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: one because they don't. I don't think many of them

572
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: even know how like the female reproductive system works the

573
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: way just the things they say, it's great. Like there's

574
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: a senator I don't remember which one, but who see

575
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: the one that's like, well, you know, the body is

576
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: a way of showing that whole rape thing down. Yeah, yeah,

577
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: what are you what? What do I have? Venom? Like?

578
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: What is what is the thing that you know that

579
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: I don't know? It was a senator who had just

580
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: voted that, you know, women can't get abortions anymore, and

581
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: then asked his mistress to be like, actually you need

582
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: to get another planned parenthood that I'm actively trying to

583
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: shut down, Like fuck off. Yeah, oh this is the

584
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 1: worst timeline gang, this is it. This is the darkest one.

585
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: But his focus right, Um, So that and then I

586
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: wanted to mention that a lot of female movie villains

587
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: are witches, which, like, you know, maybe perpetuating this idea

588
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: that like, well, because witches are like vilified. I mean

589
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: I've seen as like an evil yeah, but a dark

590
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: sided cream, which is bad, but it's also just like uncreative.

591
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we need a female villain and she's

592
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: a witch. It's like we don't save the day. Yeah.

593
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: Well there's good witches in film and TV, but it

594
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: is really good get rules. Anyways, It's weird that it

595
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: just occurred to me. I'm like, oh, so for this

596
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: whole movie. Weird to assume that a the Salem witch

597
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: trials were totally legit because the witches were actually that

598
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: in drinking the blood of children. I was like, whoa,

599
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: that is actually an insanely backwards thing to open the

600
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: movie with. It's like, well, clear as we all know,

601
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: the Salem witch Trials were a glowing moment in American history,

602
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: and we were right favorite like what that. I didn't

603
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: even think of it that way. I just wanted to

604
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: see Ben Middler in an I party. Oh my gosh. Yeah,

605
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: that's wild. It's weird. It's really wild. Yeah, where it's

606
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: a couple they deserve to die. Yeah, they were trying

607
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: to eat those children, right, Like, what were they doing

608
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: in that cabin? They're probably trying to kill a kid. Uh,

609
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: we better and then we see them get hey, that

610
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: is weird, Kenny, Yeah, me, what the heck? Kenny? Who

611
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: wrote this movie? It was Mick Garris and Neil Comfort

612
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: to a man named Mick. Honestly, there's a sort of

613
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: like throwaway moment in the movie where so Billy Butcherson

614
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: is the zombie who gets brought back to life. I

615
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: like him. You had a crush on him. I didn't

616
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: think you had enough for Caitlin. Ye for all the

617
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: words you're putting in my mouth, but it was like

618
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: dirty about he's a dirty you know what he was

619
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: mad at like a dog. I got it. I do

620
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: not want to zombies and I don't want to catch

621
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: but you you like, this is my love it Wait,

622
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: but he was look at her glowing, there's feels rubbing

623
00:39:53,640 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: her hands together like she's about with excitement. Oh god, anyway,

624
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: a horny energy in this room. Because I'm a witch,

625
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm casting a horny spell. I'm gonna look up some spells. Okay,

626
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Speaker 1: I look up a horny spell. I'm totally which because

627
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm bleeding right now because we were talking about which

628
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: is no, It's okay. Literally every month I bleed through

629
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: my tamp on it. I'm like, this is the month

630
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get a Diva Cup and I never do.

631
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Speaker 1: What about the period panties? Thinks? Hey, sponsor us sponsor

632
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Speaker 1: this very important feminist podcast, thinks if you're out there,

633
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: I still think you know we're all in the besality. Yeah,

634
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to skip large. I don't know. I

635
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: want to do Diva Cup, but then I just never.

636
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Speaker 1: I'm like, every time it occurs to me, I'm like,

637
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: oh wait, but I should get Amazon Prime, and then

638
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't and then on this I can't do that.

639
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: I'll forget to sign up for the free trial. I

640
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: just have that birth control implant in my arm that

641
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: makes you not have a period for three years. And

642
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm not bleeding. I can't be a witch if I'm

643
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: not bleeding. Ever, that sounds like a witchy as I'm bleeding.

644
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm bleeding right now. To cool as a lot of

645
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: blood flowed. I like the word all in the same

646
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: moon cycle. Yeah, I'm like, oh man, it's it's nice.

647
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: We're all sinking that. I'm gonna go get some crystals

648
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: after this, Like have you ever bought I've never bought crystals.

649
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: All right, back to Hocus Focus. So Billy Butcherson, there's

650
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: a moment where they get to the cemetery for the

651
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: first time. Sachary Banks is all like, oh, this is

652
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: the grave of Billy he was when he's lover but

653
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: she caught him sporting with her sister and she poisoned

654
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: him and tied his mouth shut with a dull needle.

655
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: That I'm on board with, yes, because that's got to happen.

656
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: Sure a lot of times when if there's like an

657
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: infidelity that happens and a woman finds like her man

658
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: partner has been unfaithful. The other woman is vilified rather

659
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: than like the man like usually gets off the hooker.

660
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: She might be mad at in but like you know,

661
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: but I mean like her sister, i'd be pissed, but

662
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. But I feel like, but she's like, that's

663
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: my sister yea, And it doesn't even seem like they

664
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: have any like I mean, they like all kind of

665
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: insult each other, but she never brings it up. First

666
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: of all, what is sporting with Like she's like, oh,

667
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: that Cott Disney looking in her house? Which sister was?

668
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: He supposed to was? Right? Who so horny that she?

669
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: That character is weird because it's just like, oh, she's

670
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: so horny, she doesn't have control over herself her broomstick, Yes,

671
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: she's it's a lot. It's like it's a more graphic

672
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: version of Max with a billow. It's a cast the

673
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: horny spell on her. But I do, I do like

674
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: So there's like five main male characters. I used to

675
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: mend his friend where then his name is Billy Butcherson,

676
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: Thackary Banks and Max of like the good guys, which

677
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: you find out that Billy Butcherson is like a good guy.

678
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: At the end, two of them are a zombie doesn't

679
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: talk for most of the movie, and when he does talk,

680
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: he tells a woman to go to hell. Not feminist.

681
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: I've been there. I found it quite lovely good. But

682
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: you know what, it's a pretty badass of her to

683
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: like come back from the dad, summon this dude who

684
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: fucked her over and she still won't let him speak,

685
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: and it's like do my bidding. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Yeah,

686
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: I gotta respect her for that. I like, I mean,

687
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: I Whinnie is the eater, she's the leader, follows the

688
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: rule that the woman with the shortest hair is in charge.

689
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: She is she has the shortest hair. I'm pretty sure.

690
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: Trying to tell it's been like a big up. It's

691
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: in two piles of her head there. But and then

692
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: Kathy and Janie her. I feel like she's under used

693
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: in this. She is she just really she spends most

694
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: of her time just contorting her mouth. Yeah, she's had

695
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: some sort into some sort of weird half smile. It

696
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: was weird. I mean, it's a very interesting character choice.

697
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: It was I don't know, Yeah, I was like, I

698
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: wish she had more to do, more to do or

699
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: just like I mean, at least we remember Sarah Jessica

700
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Parker's character for being so horny, Like what do we

701
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: remember she's Oh, she smells children a lot. But from

702
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: her story, from a story standpoint, not a feminist standpoint,

703
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: we don't super need two of the witches. Like you're

704
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: really just but you gotta have a witch crew. That's true. Well,

705
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: yeah I don't have. You got to have backup. That's

706
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: but they're not helpful. But yeah, they're not that helpful.

707
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Which but also it's hocus Pocus, and you know it's

708
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: hocus Pocus. There's three witches threes true and hilarious comedy

709
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: in core for children. Yeah, just storytelling in general. I

710
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: have a spell. Okay, I googled horny spell is what

711
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: came up. Oh my god. Okay, So this is called

712
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: a coda's love and lust spell. Visualize the person having

713
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: sex with you and then say I have wanted you,

714
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: I have wanted you, Now you shall want me, Now

715
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: you shall want me. This is my will, This is

716
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: my will. So mote it be, so mote it be? Congratulations?

717
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: Were all getting laid? If that was a man saying

718
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: that to a woman, that would be the rapiest thing

719
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: in the entire world. You're not supposed to say that

720
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: were women. So we're witches and it's okay. You're supposed

721
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: to say as while you're quietly humping your pillow in

722
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: the pillow and hump it, well you're saying, and then

723
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: you'll manifest and he'll be in your arms before you

724
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: know it. So okay, what does what does mean? I

725
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like she just like to use

726
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: her heart like modd like done, you know what I mean?

727
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: Just punctuation really nineties terms. Yea, yeah, because she's it's three.

728
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: Oh yes, thora birch sasitely delivers the year. Do we

729
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: talk much about her character? I mean she's eight, so

730
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: like what really, she's pretty, she's a spitfire. She's not afraid.

731
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 1: I mean she does get a little scared, but she's

732
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: just like active, she's smart. She's not like there's an

733
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: unusual sibling dynamic where her brother kind of tends to

734
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: roll over and do whatever she wants. Yeah, she's kind

735
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: of an alpha. She's in charge. Yeah, she's totally in

736
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: try and she she is making fun of him for

737
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: being a virgin all the time, and she apparently knows

738
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: what's sexy. It's like she's wearing she's in full makeup.

739
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: She's a woman of the world. She's from Los Angeles,

740
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: you know she she's an l a gal like girl. Yeah,

741
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: she's taking over New England. Yeah, I mean I like

742
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: that character. And and also she's a good actress. Yeah,

743
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: because children get me started on an issue. Child I

744
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: mean I do too. I don't care for them a do. Yeah. Well, Also,

745
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: they're just roaming out in the wild here too, just

746
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: frothing at them out there's too many. I like, what's

747
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: happened to the girl that plays Sally Draper. She seems

748
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: like she's developed into like a decent, like normal, like

749
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: not traumatized right outside anyway. Rights, it happens well because

750
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: Hayley Joel hasman. Oh okay, my boyfriend Ice, that's my cook. Okay.

751
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: Do you guys know who Aeriel Winters? Is She a

752
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: nerdy daughter on on Modern Family? Yes? I did? She

753
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: and her internet presence let me tell you, is it wild?

754
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: She dresses so slutty on every red carpet. It is

755
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: hilarious to be like, I'm just botty as fuck. Just

756
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: like showed up to the Smurfs movie, just like full cleavage,

757
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: like ass crack out, just like tiny barely covering her crotch,

758
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: and like her family drama is like very there's like

759
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: I think she actually got emancipated from her mom. Yeah,

760
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: like so her family dynamic is really messed up. She

761
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: just so out there and over the top. It's pretty hilarious.

762
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: I encourage you all to follow Aerial Winters followed on

763
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: Instagram and the word fuck is in her bio. She

764
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: does not post pics from Modern Family. Oh except when

765
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: it's ty Burrell's birthday. Then she whips up the Modern

766
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: Family fix. Ty Burrell went to Penn State University, which

767
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: is a place that I have one of two degrees

768
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: from the second one being a master's degree in screenwriting

769
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: from Boston University. And you know that I hate to

770
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: bring it up, but the opportunity was there, so ill hot.

771
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah of course, Oh my god, she's kissing a tall

772
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: man on a boat in this picture. To her, she's

773
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: gone out and getting what she wants to let everyone,

774
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm the nerdy girl from Modern Family. But yeah,

775
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: make no mistake. But thora Birch thriving. Excellent example of

776
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: a child actor who ended up being like a wonderful adult.

777
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: Now she's an indie darling. Thora Birch was later in

778
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: the worst movie of all time American Beauty. Huh. Yeah,

779
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: a great movie, Ghost World. Uh. And then now she's

780
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: a she's you know, an indy darling. Cool, good for

781
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: her people. Yeah, and she's Max do oh interesting question.

782
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: Just google Horny spell again. We're okay, I'm about to

783
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: find out what happened to Armory Cats whoa he aged

784
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: very well? Well, he's only four to what a little hottie.

785
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: I know, but sometimes child stars end up looking kind

786
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: of kind of rough. See, Haley, Joel, don't you dare there?

787
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: We all have eyes literally, Haley Joel, Haley Joel, I'm

788
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: on your side. Danielle put it on a coffee bag. Okay,

789
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: So what is he doing now? No one knows the

790
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: last time anyone saw this man who was in General

791
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: Hospital in two thousand, where he played a bit part

792
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: as a tattoo artist. Well, Armory, if you're out there,

793
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: if you're a friend of the cast, if you're listening us,

794
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: know what it was like to be in a movie

795
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: with so many strong, powerful women, and I have to

796
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: say you're a virgin over and over. Hey, does anyone

797
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: have any final thoughts about the movie that we're talking about?

798
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: Focus that Thatt Miller's character is the Greenwich Kathena, Jimmy's

799
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: character is the Red Witch, and Sarahdesca Parker is the

800
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: Purple Witch. And Caitlyn your microphone is great. Jimmy, your

801
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: microphone is rat and mine is a blue which is

802
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: we were? We were? What any thing to say? He

803
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: just throw that, Did I feel like I'm not the

804
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: Winnie of the group If I'm a Charlotte, I'm for

805
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: sure not the Winnie. That's that's a mean thing to

806
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: say to your friend. Ye agree, I'm glad you're not

807
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: a Charlotte. We should talk about whether or not the

808
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: movie passes the Bechtel test the Doe. Yeah, it sure does.

809
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: All the sisters talk to each other pretty much in

810
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: every single scene that they're in, and usually not about

811
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: a man, although like Billy Butcherson gets mentioned, that Gary

812
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: Bins gets mentioned, but like mostly talking about that little Danny. Yeah,

813
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 1: they're talking about her or children general, children in general,

814
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: wanting to stay young forever, the potions that spells like, yeah,

815
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of stuff. Alten, did Danny talk

816
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: quite a bit? Yes, Danny talks to her coke head

817
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: mom that we didn't talk there, just like I'm a dad,

818
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: don't you tell, isn't it? And just like man, their

819
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: parents were fu up? Like that was like man, still

820
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: in love after all these years? Inspiring. Yeah. Yeah, so

821
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot of different exchanges between women who have names,

822
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: So for sure the movie passes the Bechdel test. Let's

823
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: rate the movie on her nipple scale. We rate on

824
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: a scale zero to five nipples based on how the

825
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: movie treats its female characters. I'm going to give it.

826
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: I'll say like a three and a half, maybe even

827
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: a four. I think it does pretty well. I would

828
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: say the main female characters outnumber the male characters, especially

829
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: like if you're talking about human males, there's pretty much

830
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: Max and then us two like stupid bone headed Salem

831
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: Massachusetts dudes, but Ice AND's friend sorry but yeah. The

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Speaker 1: other ones are either a cat or a zombie who

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00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: doesn't even talk for most of the movie, and then

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Speaker 1: the Yeah, the rest of the characters are pretty strong,

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Speaker 1: active women who play a significant role in the story.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've got to take points off for like

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Speaker 1: the two side, which I mean, but that's fine. It's

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00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: just that those characters are very well developed. Like one

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00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: of them, her main thing is that she's corny, and

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00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: the other one is that she on Sarah Jessica Parker

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00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: duration of this movie. Sure, we just got some right

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00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: or something. And so if we're comparing, like, so, let's

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Speaker 1: assume that Allison's character is roughly the same age as

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00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: like Megan Fox's character in the first Transformers movie. She

845
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: doesn't get all grossly objectified the way that Megan Fox does.

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00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: So Kenny Ortega is maybe he's objectifying feminist iron Kenny Ortega.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I wouldn't go so far as to say that. No,

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Speaker 1: not Kenny Artaga. No, we're saying that Michael Bay, the

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00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: way he chooses to frame like Megan Fox's character in

850
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: the Transformers movie is like severely objectifying in lingery, like

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00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: look at her boots. But I mean, isn't that the

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00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: pinnacle of like what American cinema male gaze is? Michael

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00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: Bay totally literally this camera. So I'm giving points to

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00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: I suppose Kenny Ortega, but to the movie Hocus Focus.

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00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: We're not objectifyinging the like hot teen girl in that

856
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: movie the way, Yeah, she doesn't show any clevland. She's

857
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: been like an ugly brown sweater for most, like a

858
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: big up top. Yeah, and he likes well in that's

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00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: scene where she's like got the oh but they called

860
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: that out where in the beginning when she's like Danny's

861
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: like I could never wear a dress like that. I

862
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: don't have the what do you call them lobos or something?

863
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: He loves your boobies. I forget what word she using

864
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: your bankas or thora settled down. So yeah, that the

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00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: two like sidekick witches are like not super well developed,

866
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: but you know, not everyone gets the most perfectly fleshed

867
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: out character in a movie. So that's like kind of okay,

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00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just like the It is weird to

869
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: me that like it's Max's story that it's like framed

870
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: around like a boy's perspective and point of views. It

871
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: seems like such a it feels like the male characters

872
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: and kind of guy I forget, like, oh, he's important

873
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: part of this, because you could like boil it down

874
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: to like the three women being like those are the villains,

875
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: and then the love interest and then the little sister

876
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: that needs looking after. But because they are active in

877
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: like pushing the story forward, it doesn't feel like that,

878
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: like the story is told from his perspective for the

879
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: most part, but he's like not doing all that much

880
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: more or even more than anybody else. Right, Yeah, I'll

881
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna stick with three and a half. And

882
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: they belong of course to Thachary Banks the cat And

883
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: please don't say again that I fuck cats. That was

884
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: a nipple sacket. That a cat coming, Daniel. How many

885
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: nipples do you give it? I give it four? Yeah,

886
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: it was a fun I mean, Bette Midler, Sarah just

887
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: of Parker catheen to Jimmy, they're having fun. I know

888
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: that those two whiches don't get much to do, but

889
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: they do seem to genuinely like be having a good

890
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: time and having a blast on screen. And it's kind

891
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: of rare you get to see women, older women, women

892
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: for me to look ugly right for the screen, kind

893
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: of just having a blast, kind of children and kill children.

894
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, Worth mentioning that this is an

895
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: extremely white movie, yell people of color with speaking roles

896
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: and barely even like there might be an extra or

897
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: two who's a person of color everyone else. I did

898
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: see an ex straw and crutches, and I was like,

899
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: what a lot disability. But other than that, yeah, a

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00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: very very white movie. Is that Massachusetts? Is that Salem? Though?

901
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: That is that is Salem? But that is also a

902
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: major cop out. But I'm sure that they could make

903
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: that argument because Salem is full of like rich white people.

904
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it four as well because even

905
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: though and this is such a low bar to set,

906
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: but it's like, even though not all the female characters

907
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: are really fleshed out, I feel like it's just kind

908
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: of a sloppy movie in general. Like from a story standpoint,

909
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: it's not a cinematic masterpiece. There's there's effects. Do not

910
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: age well, No, there's just like a little bit too

911
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: much going on. There's like a few too many characters

912
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: maybe in the movie. But the female characters, I mean,

913
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: with the acception of the fact that they're trying to

914
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: kill the witches, but they're not being like constantly beaten

915
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: down by the story. They're not being punished, you know.

916
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: It's like it's fun, it's good. Can you rotega? Generally,

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00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: I would say, and hopefully We'll discuss it further in

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00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: our Inevitable High School and musical. Cantega makes good star

919
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: like is a good director for women. It seems like

920
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: most of his female characters are treated with respect in

921
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: his body of tone pumps, so remains to be seen

922
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,959
Speaker 1: true True. I'm going to get so four nipples tour

923
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: tour for Kenny, and I'll throw to back to Caitlin

924
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: for her to throw in that catchres and loves. This

925
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: is the end of cat facts with Caitlin because we'll

926
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: not stand for this. How did it go on for

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00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: so long? She won't stand down below with you? All right? Well, Danielle,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. This has been

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Speaker 1: so much fun. Thank you for having me. This has

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Speaker 1: been a treat in a joy trick or tree, Happy Hello,

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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween. Where can people follow you online? Follow me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Diva Deluxe No he at

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Speaker 1: the end, and then friend me on Facebook, Danielle Perez

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Speaker 1: super okay. You can follow us at bechtel Cast on Twitter, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: beactel cast dot com. Facebook are the other things? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'd also like to plug Ariel Winters on in presence.

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Speaker 1: Check out Aerial Winters Ariel, We're here for you. Cohen

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