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Speaker 2: Hey, Hurdler's Emily a Body here bringing you Episode one

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Speaker 2: sixteen of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I sit

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Speaker 2: down with inspiring individuals to talk about everything from their

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Speaker 2: big wins to how they've gotten through some of life's

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Speaker 2: a motivation, and candid discussions with everyone from top athletes

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Speaker 2: to aspiring entrepreneurs on what it really takes to follow

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Speaker 2: be your best self, move with intention, and have some

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Speaker 2: I have been reposting some of my favorite episodes of

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Speaker 2: Hurdles past featuring black guests, hoping to amplify their voices

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Speaker 2: during this important time in our country and continue my

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Speaker 2: bringing you my conversation with Charlie Dark from November twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: and this experience is probably one of my favorites since

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Speaker 2: launching the show. Charlie and I sat down in a

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Speaker 2: Lululuman pop up the week of the New York City

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Speaker 2: He talked to me about how when he started running,

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Speaker 2: And in today's episode, we're chatting about everything from how

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Speaker 2: I am grateful for him, and I know that so

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Speaker 2: many literally across the world, we all feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: the show notes. The description to this episode. Next week

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Speaker 2: Hurdle will be back to its regular Monday, Wednesday, Friday cadence.

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Speaker 2: However I can at Emily Abadi at Hurdle Podcast and

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Speaker 2: so much for coming today here. I am with Charlie Dark.

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Speaker 3: It all started from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you get signed, and what is the shift

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Speaker 4: No, No, it's honest money. I've just made it from djaying.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's all very new, and it was just

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, he made a record and it's real,

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Speaker 2: I dealt with imposter syndrome, which you're talking about a

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Speaker 3: You have to show up. I thought that was really

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Speaker 4: It's really really weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it just happens at every level, and I think

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Speaker 4: You know, the record habit gets a bit too much.

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Speaker 2: So what happens for you now is that you do

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Speaker 1: Think there's a really strange thing where you kind of

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Speaker 4: And you know, and.

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Speaker 1: You publicly showing people that you've got stuff. You don't

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Speaker 1: with the you know, who's got the rarest records. I

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00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: don't need four hundred pairs of trainers. I'm not a

442
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: millipede that just don't need that amount of footwear, you know.

443
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: So I think there was just a moment where I

444
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,959
Speaker 1: just remember looking in the mirror and just thinking, what

445
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: are you doing?

446
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 4: This is not you.

447
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 1: And I think lots of us when we're growing up,

448
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: we adopt these personas and characters and personalities just to

449
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: kind of get us full school life, and it then

450
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: trickles down into university life and then into adult life,

451
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: and then before you know, you're like, you know, thirty,

452
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: and you're still pretending to be someone that you're not.

453
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, that was kind of like a

454
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: really big moment for me, and I was just tremendously unhappy.

455
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: And when is this.

456
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 1: This is kind of around two thousand and one and

457
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: we got dry as well. So when you find you know,

458
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: when you're making music, you're you're constantly thinking about the future,

459
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: and you're constantly trying to get the big deal.

460
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 4: And then finally you get the big deal, you know.

461
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: And getting signed to Sony Records at that moment time,

462
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: you know that was a big deal, a lot of cash,

463
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of expectation on you, but ultimately the

464
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: stakes are so much higher.

465
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 4: And I remember what happened with Sharda.

466
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: Decided either someone broke Sharda's heart or she basically for

467
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: some reason, her album got delayed, and it just threw

468
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: the whole of Sony Records into panic because they're like,

469
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: you know, Chard's like the Golden Goose Goose, and all

470
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden they start getting rid of all of

471
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: the smaller subsidiary labels.

472
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 4: And I remember being on the beach in Saint.

473
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: Lucia and you know, my A and R man is

474
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: not returning my cause, and you always notice something up

475
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 1: when the people who are kind of like we'd do

476
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: anything for you suddenly stop with you can't get hold

477
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: of them, and I'm just saying to the rest of

478
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: the band and like we're gonna get dropped, and everyone's like, nah,

479
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: I know, it's fine, let's go and buy another g wagon.

480
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, no, let's not do that.

481
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: No, And and it happened, and so, you know, you

482
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: kind of come home and you've got all the stuff,

483
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: but you you know, you kind of like you're just

484
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: looking in the mirror and your eyes are a bit dead,

485
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: and you just kind of you've just lost that zest

486
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: for life. You know that there's a weird thing when

487
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: you basically the thing that's your passion that you've always

488
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: wanted to do suddenly becomes the thing that feeds you.

489
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you start getting this

490
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: anxiety in your body, you know, because now it's really

491
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: important and you're not just dejaying in your bedroom to

492
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: your teddy bears, but now you're you know, your main

493
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: stage in the festival, and there's fifteen thousand people looking

494
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: at and you like, you better be good because I've

495
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: had a really terrible week and you're responsible for my happiness.

496
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: For the next two hours dead stare, yeah, yeah, stare.

497
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: And suddenly it's like, you know, you're hiding under the

498
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: table and your mind's gone blank, and it's kind of

499
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: it's all getting on top and you can't go and

500
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: talk to anyone because no one to talk about mental health.

501
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: It's not cool to talk about. You know, you've got

502
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: to be strong, you gotta be a man. You got

503
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, you got a soldier through it was hard.

504
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: Well, at least in England they recognize that that's an issue.

505
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: They do now don't recognize here yet that it's an

506
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: issue at least not you know, in the government.

507
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: But at least your government is like, we got to

508
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: do something about this.

509
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: Well, they got to do something about something.

510
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: Okay.

511
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: So you have this realization that something's messed up and

512
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: this is a problem, and you're dropped and you're like,

513
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: what's next?

514
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: So how do you proceed from there?

515
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: I start teaching, poaching, creative adriting and always. I had

516
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: an English teacher when I was at school and I

517
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: think thirteen and fourteen saw me crying in the playground.

518
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: It's a Canadian, dude, Actually love my Canadians. And he

519
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: said to me I'm going to give you this blank

520
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: notebook and the pen, and the pen is going to

521
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: be a weapon, and the notebook's going to be your

522
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: best friend. And I know you're having a really hard

523
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: time at school, and I know it's hard for you.

524
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: So what I need you to do is to start

525
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: expressing your feelings into this book. So I start writing

526
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: a lot of poetry and spoken word. And when I

527
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: left UNI, you know, the DJ bug had got me,

528
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: but really I wanted to I wanted to rap, but

529
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: no one was trying to rap with an English accent

530
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: at that time.

531
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: It's like, when you rap with an English accent, do

532
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: you have an English accent? Or is that only when

533
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: you sing that you don't have an English accent?

534
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: This is a real question.

535
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: Now you have a super English accent because the music's

536
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: all changed. But back in the you know, early nineties,

537
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: you were trying to.

538
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 3: Be as American as well.

539
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're trying to pretend you're from the Bronx.

540
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: Like definitely just wanted to make sure you're on the saage.

541
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: So if you have anything to drop at any time

542
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: during this podcast, like, please feel free.

543
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: You never know.

544
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: Okay, continue, My girlfriends like me so yeah, So I

545
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: returned to writing poetry and performing, and then I started

546
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 5: teaching in schools and that was a real.

547
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 4: Outlet for me.

548
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: It was kind of like, you know, I wanted to

549
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of I realized, is you can't just tell half

550
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: the story. A lot of times what people do is

551
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: like they become musicians and they're like just.

552
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: About the music man.

553
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 6: You know, it's like I don't care about the press

554
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 6: or anything like, I just want to make music. And

555
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 6: suddenly you're giving all this responsibility to this stuff that

556
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 6: you've created to other people who don't really understand what

557
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 6: you do or know your life. So this time around,

558
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 6: I thought, I've got a second bite of the cherry,

559
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 6: and I want to make sure that I'm in control.

560
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 6: So I start writing the poetry and creative writing, and

561
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 6: you know, I'm doing really well in schools and you know,

562
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 6: start performing and then that school going really superwoll and

563
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 6: that kind of just helped me get my life back together.

564
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 6: The running thing came in, and I don't know if

565
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 6: I'm preempting the question before you ask it.

566
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: No, you're leading me into where I'm going, so please continue.

567
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: But essentially what happens is I get known as a

568
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: performance poet. And then I get asked to write a

569
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: one man show about my DJ career and the show

570
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: is called Have Box Wall Travel and I'm playing like,

571
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, my mom and playing like thirty six different

572
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: characters in it. But I'm really unfit because I've been

573
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: in the music industry for all this time and you know,

574
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: we're just fitness is not a thing that was cool

575
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: at the time. And my director, and this guy called

576
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: Benji Read Amazing Dude, says to me, you know, you

577
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: can't take this show on the UK tour with the

578
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: level of fitness that you have. In fact, what he

579
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: said to me was, you're looking a bit portly, Charlie.

580
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: And I was just like wow, man, Like you're like

581
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: the first person that's really ever.

582
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: Called me out.

583
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: Because when you're in the music industry, most people are

584
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to massage your ego for as

585
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: much as possible. So when you finally have someone who's

586
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: known you quite a long time and knows you pre

587
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, when you were to DJing in your bedroom

588
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: to your teddy bears, and suddenly he's like, actually, Charlie,

589
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: you need to fix up. You're not giving one hundred

590
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: ten percent. You're not stepping into your light and I

591
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: can't work with you unless you meet me. You know,

592
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm giving my one hundred and ten percent and you're

593
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: giving me fifty. So you need to step up. And

594
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: that's why I started running, you know, That's how the

595
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: running came in.

596
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: So where is the Christmas Day hurdle moment that we're

597
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: going to get to?

598
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 4: The Christmas Day moment is two thousand and six.

599
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're in two thousand and six and it's

600
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Christmas Day, yes, and you look in the mirror again

601
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: and you say to yourself.

602
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: Today's day. I'm going out. I'm going out, going out,

603
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: It's Christmas daily.

604
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: Thompson he was a really famous British athlete, and he

605
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: basically said that he always trained on Christmas Day because

606
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: if you could train on Christmas Day, then you can

607
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: train on any day. And I you know, till this day,

608
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: there's still this room and like, did he really train

609
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day or was he just trying to wind

610
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: his rivals up? But I think there was something about

611
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Today's day, Christmas Day. And I went out and it

612
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: was a complete and utter failure, but there was just

613
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: something about it, like seeing the look some people. They're like,

614
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: you're running on Christmas Day? Like and again, it was

615
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: a bit like that DJ moment I picked on the needle.

616
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: But suddenly I felt powerful again, you know, because I

617
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: was doing something that other people weren't prepared to do.

618
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: Talk to me about how that first run felt, because

619
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: you declared it a failure.

620
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: But what made it a failure?

621
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: Because I think in the long term it was probably

622
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: anything but that.

623
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 4: I think when you.

624
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Had been away from fitness for a while, you often

625
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: make the mistake to try and recapture the fitness that

626
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: you had when you previously were fit. I'm trying to

627
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: using lots of things. So I ran at school, I

628
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: ran for the school, I ran for the borough I held,

629
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, as part of the four hundred meter relay team.

630
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: We had the record.

631
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: It's like, so I went out on that Christmas Day

632
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: and for I'm just gonna come out of my house.

633
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the park because if I

634
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: tell people that I ran around the park, they're going

635
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: to be impressed because that kind of sounds like a

636
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: distance they know. And I'm going to run around it

637
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: as fast as I can and I'm obviously going to

638
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: be as fast as I was when I was sixteen,

639
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: and let's go get it up.

640
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 4: And it was pain fully, humbly embarrassing.

641
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: How long is that? Like park situation?

642
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: Oh? The park is a big park.

643
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: Oh okay.

644
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: And the unfortunate thing is if you are running in

645
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: Christmas day, everyone thinks you know what you're doing. So

646
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: then they watching you like, oh my god, you're going out.

647
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: He's going he's oh, he's slowing down. Oh he stopped.

648
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Oh he's being sick. Oh hold a minute. And that was,

649
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, that was an effort. And I remember coming

650
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: back into my house and just thinking, wow, man, you know,

651
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: like there's got to be another way. And then so

652
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of how the nighttime came about. Was like, Okay,

653
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: I can't run in the daytime because I'm not very good,

654
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: and I can't let any of the kids in my

655
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: neighborhood see me failing at something.

656
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: They need to think that I'm.

657
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: Like here, So you start running and you're doing it

658
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: for a little while before you let on to anyone

659
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: else that you're running.

660
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

661
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: One of my friends was just like, what are you doing?

662
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: He was convinced I was on some crazy drugs. He

663
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: was just like, okay, what drugs are you on?

664
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: Help me up?

665
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: Why?

666
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Because because my whole demeanor change, my body's changed. I lost,

667
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: Like I think I was like free stone heavy than

668
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: I am. Now I lost.

669
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: Hit me with the translation here, Okay.

670
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: So free stone is a stone is fourteen pounds?

671
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: Oh you lost a lot a week?

672
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah I was. I was.

673
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: I was a hefty guy.

674
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: We have this thing come into that.

675
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: Do you wait for that phrases?

676
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: Well, I don't have stone equivalents, but I lost seventy

677
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: pounds in college.

678
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well there you go.

679
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so running, yeah it is good for the bard.

680
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, so lose the stone.

681
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: I lose the stones.

682
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: My face starts, my eyes get sparkly again, and I

683
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: just suddenly developed this zest for life. And then, more importantly,

684
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I fall back in love with making music again because

685
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: I remember running. You know, I'm living in East London,

686
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: and I start thinking to myself, I'm making all this

687
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: music for the dance floor, But what would happen if

688
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: I made music for my run, Like I started making

689
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: my own bespoke music to run to.

690
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: That'd be pretty cool, you know, And.

691
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: So I started doing that, I started soundtracking and kind

692
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: of getting into recordings, and like you know, I just

693
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: fell back in love with making music again. It was

694
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: one of the best things that I ever did, and

695
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: it taught me how to listen, and in fact, it

696
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: reconnected me with my senses, you know, because I think

697
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: what happened is I kind of my foot was just

698
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: off the accelerator and that was back on again, and

699
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: I was doing something that no one else was doing

700
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: and that was really exciting. And that kind of reminded

701
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: me again about when I first started making music, because

702
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: when I first started making music, if I first started djaying,

703
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I was the only DJ in my road. Now, when

704
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I go to my mum's house and in sometime every

705
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: house you walk past, when the windows open, you can

706
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: hear someone making the track stopping, going back to the

707
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: beginning and starting again.

708
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 4: You're not cool because you DJ.

709
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: You're not cool because you're too music or collect records

710
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: or trainers or any of that stuff anymore. So it

711
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: was like this little thing that I had that was mine.

712
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: And then my friends started finding out. And then one

713
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: of my friends died in his sleep, and that was

714
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: the catalyst for me. I was like, right, all of

715
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: these people that I've grown up with, you know, we've

716
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: all got into the music industry together at the same

717
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: around the same time.

718
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: But now various different people are.

719
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Getting ill, you know, and I like them and I

720
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: like the things that they create, So what can I

721
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: do to keep them around for longer? And then Facebook

722
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: basically became a thing that people started using. I've been

723
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: on this DJ tour and I went to Philadelphia. I

724
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: met this guy called King brit and he was telling

725
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: me about this cite called friend Stuff. He was like,

726
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: it's really amazing. It's this thing and you can keep

727
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: in touch with your friends when you're flying around the world.

728
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: And I was like, why wouldn't you just call them

729
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: up on the telephone. He was just like, no, no, no,

730
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: that's not what you do. You just sit your keyboard

731
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: with your laptop and then you send an email and

732
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: it's like this social media thing and you do that.

733
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, that's really cool and that's

734
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: pre my space, right yeah. Yeah, and the friends that

735
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: goes into Facebook. And then what happens is everyone, you know,

736
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: we're now making money and were flying around the world

737
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: and laptops get really powerful. When technology gets powerful, something's

738
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: got to give. And what gave in the music industry

739
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: is now you don't have to need these big studios

740
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: because you can make records in your bedroom. In fact,

741
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: people are now making records on PlayStations, you know, And

742
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: so this whole really tight music community that was based

743
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: around studios is now kind of dissipating. Like you know,

744
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: like that scene in Star Wars when the Asteroids kind

745
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: of like, you know, they're hiding a millennium fork.

746
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: I'm getting geeky.

747
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: Now, but if you know Star Wars, you know there's

748
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: that bit where they kind of chuck the rubbish out

749
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: of the Death Star and then the millennium fork and

750
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: kind of drifts away, and that what was happening. And

751
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: so I was just like, right, I don't get to

752
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: see my friends anymore. I get to see their names

753
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: in dressing rooms around the world, but I actually want

754
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: to see them physically. So that happened, and then I started.

755
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: One day I was I was running late at night,

756
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: and it was hard, you know, because it's hard when

757
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: you're running by yourself and you can't really tell anyone,

758
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: so you've got no one to train with, so really

759
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: having to motivate yourself. So I made up all these

760
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: imaginary characters in my head and that that was the

761
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: genesis of Rundom Crew.

762
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: The imaginary character.

763
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: Imaginary characters, made up all these nicknames for all these

764
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: various different people who would come literally like they would

765
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: come running with me.

766
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: So when does the real crew start?

767
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: The real crew comes with My friend Morgan, producer, says

768
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: to me, dude, whatever you're doing, I want to do

769
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 1: it with you. And I was like, right, wicked great.

770
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: So Friday night we're going to go for run and

771
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: he's like, how far we're going to go. I'm like,

772
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: we're going to run a mile? And we're like and

773
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna put it on Facebook. And then

774
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: so we started running together and then we thought to ourselves, well,

775
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: we need to get a photographer in because no one's

776
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: going to believe that we're doing this, so we've got

777
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: to start taking pictures. And then we didn't know about

778
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: stretching or any of that stuff. So we got one

779
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: of my dancer friends who kind of he was like

780
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: the only person I knew who knew about a body,

781
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, because happened to that point, I'm just like,

782
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm treating my body a space suit that's been loaned

783
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: to me. I don't really know what it does or

784
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: it's full potential, so I'm only just finding out now,

785
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: you know. So and then I'm and my good friend

786
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: Andrew missing him. We actually came to New York to

787
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: do some work with the studios in Harlem, and we

788
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: had this meeting and then he's I'm like, what are

789
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: you doing now. I'm like, let's go to the record

790
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: shop and he's like, oh no, I've got to go

791
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: and do a twenty mile training run. I'm like, what

792
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: do you mean. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm training

793
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: for the New York Marathon. So I got go and

794
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: run twenty miles. And at that point, I was like,

795
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: twenty miles to seem like so far to me was

796
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: just like unfathomable. And then he became the you know,

797
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: one of the final people. And every Friday night for

798
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: about six months, we would go out and we'd run

799
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: a mile, and then the mile became a mile and

800
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: a half, and then we'd go and eat food afterwards.

801
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: And it was just a small thing that we were doing,

802
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: and it was tundling along and then a big thing happened,

803
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: and then.

804
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: A big thing happened. This is another thing we haven't

805
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: This is blowing my mind. It's really starting to get crazy.

806
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 2: When I started running every day around one mile.

807
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, just one Yeah, that's it.

808
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: That's alltics.

809
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So you have a crew. I've got a little crew,

810
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: little crew, yep, and you're running.

811
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: I've got a little crew. I'm on it. We're running around.

812
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: And then this group of kids that are taught in

813
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: East London, they won the London School's Poetry Slam competition

814
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: and they got to go on the school exchange to Chicago.

815
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: And these kids like their lives were transformed. They'd literally

816
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: gone from the lowest of self esteems, very inarticulate, not

817
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: being able to look you in the eye, you know,

818
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: getting into all types of trouble.

819
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 4: They all become poets. We go and do this amazing competition.

820
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: It was a bit like a movie in fact, it's

821
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: kind of we go to Chicago and we have this

822
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: amazing time, and then they come back and then the

823
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: money for the project drives up, and then gradually this

824
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: type group of kids start going back into their old

825
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: war and then some of them get into some real

826
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: serious trouble and I just think to myself, this running

827
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: thing that I'm doing maybe the thing that can help

828
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: these kids. We had a thing in London called postcode

829
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: Wars where you had certain kids who you know, they

830
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: maybe lived in Peckham and they could never go to

831
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: Campbell even though they're literally five streets away. So my

832
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: idea is like, right, how can I safely get these

833
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: kids from this area to this area? In fact, how

834
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: can I get kids who basically have never been outside

835
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: of their neighborhood to actually start exploring their city? And

836
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, well, you see twenty kids coming

837
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: to you in hoodies, you're going to cross the road.

838
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: You might be scared. They come past you and running kit,

839
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna start applauding. And so I just put

840
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: them in running kit and was just like, right, I

841
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: got this running thing that I'm doing, come on down.

842
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: And then so they joined us. What I realized is

843
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: one of the biggest problems that young people haven't at

844
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: the moment is there's nothing that they can do that's intergenerational.

845
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: So it's very hard for young person to learn wisdom

846
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: from someone who's older than them. Because there's no spaces

847
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: where they get to meet, you know, especially now that

848
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the nightclubs have closed down,

849
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: and so you don't have these public spaces where you know,

850
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: different types of people can come together. So it started

851
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: with trying to introduce kids to people who are older

852
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: themselves who could maybe mentor them and help them and

853
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: just give them a little perspective on life. And then

854
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: it suddenly was like, there are all these people I

855
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: know who are moving into areas that are going through gentrification,

856
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: who are feeling slightly guilty because they've brought the gentrification

857
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and they want to connect with the members of the

858
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: community and they don't know how to. So suddenly this

859
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: Rundom Crew thing started taking on all these really different angles.

860
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: And then the Olympics kind of loomed up on the horizon,

861
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: and then that was the kind of that was the

862
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: real final part. Why when they announced the Olympics are

863
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: coming to London, suddenly all you're thinking is that's a

864
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: large amount of money that's about to be spent, and

865
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: that money's got to come from somewhere, and they're gonna

866
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: take it from somewhere. And I was living in the

867
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: area where the Olympics were. It was like a spaceship

868
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: had just been landed, Like in four years time, you're

869
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: gonna have the Olympics. And if you lived in East

870
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: London at that time, you were like, what they're gonna

871
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: put an Olympic stadium there? No, they're not, Like you

872
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: just couldn't You just couldn't fathom because it was like

873
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: the ars end of London, Like no one wanted to

874
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: live in yeast, you know, and straight it was a

875
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: dumping ground. And suddenly you're seeing these, you know, plans

876
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: are like we're gonna make this amazing Olympic park and

877
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: an aquatic center and there's gonna be a running track

878
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: and this, and then the whole community is gonna come

879
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: out and use it. And I was just like, you

880
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: don't see people moving in London.

881
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 4: It's not la.

882
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean you go on DJ trips and people like

883
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: would be like going to the gym, and you'd be like,

884
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Like why are you going to

885
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: the gym? Like you know, you're not on stage. You

886
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: know you're not on MC. You're not trying to grow

887
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: like esthetic stage.

888
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: Muscles, So we don't want to look good on stage.

889
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: Well, DJs do want to look aod and say, but

890
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: most DJ's at that time we're a bit nerdy, you know,

891
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: so they're not boxing off the top and like pyrotechnics flight.

892
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't that time, you know, so you were just

893
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: a bit like what you're doing in the gym?

894
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: Why?

895
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: And so my thing was like, I don't want to

896
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: live in an area where they're going to go and

897
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: spend all of this money and then it's going to

898
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: become a ghost town afterwards and we've got all these

899
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: empty facilities.

900
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 4: That no one's using.

901
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: So I was just like, right, I'm going to build

902
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: a fitness community in East London so that at least

903
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: when the Olympics go, there's going to be a group

904
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: of people who will basically be using the facilities and

905
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: hopefully that will spark a bit of a catalyst for

906
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: other people to, you know, to also use these facilities.

907
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: Did it happen how you envisioned it to happen.

908
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: Definitely not.

909
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: No, no, definitely not. It grew much much bigger than

910
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to go. Because we're doing

911
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: our thing in London, and then we hear about this

912
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: group in New York called the Bridge Runners, and I

913
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: was like, okay, And what was really interesting about it

914
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 1: is the guy who runs the Bridge Runners. Mike says

915
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: when the founders of Bridge Runners, I knew for music days,

916
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, and I knew him he used to curate

917
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: a hip hop museum, and so I was just thinking,

918
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: it can't be the same guy, like who used to

919
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: basically be the hip hop museum guy. And then I

920
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: was reading he sent me a list of ten of

921
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: their fastest runners from Bridge Runners and there was a

922
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: name in there and it said NX Robinson and I

923
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: was like, what the dude who was the editor from

924
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: Fader magazine. I've never seen him run a mile in

925
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: my life. And so suddenly I'm suddenly hearing like, there

926
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: are these other people that I know for my former

927
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: life who were also you know, getting into fitness and moving,

928
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: and that was really exciting. And then we hear about

929
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: these guys in Paris Paris Run Club, and then the

930
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: Amsterdam guys from PASA, and suddenly I realize it's like

931
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: this little thing that you started, there's other people doing

932
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: it all around the world. We need to connect with

933
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: them and find out how to do because I hadn't

934
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, when you go from running by yourself to

935
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: running with five of your friends, there's still a very

936
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: big leap who and suddenly you look behind you and

937
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: there's one hundred people and you don't know what you're doing,

938
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: and they're all looking at you like you think you

939
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: like you know that you know what you're doing and

940
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: you're making it up as you go along. The first

941
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: guy we met in run Them who had run a

942
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: math and I think you ran it in five and

943
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: a half hours.

944
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 4: We thought he was a god.

945
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: We were like, man, dude, like you can do whatever

946
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: you want, Like, man, you ran twenty six miles.

947
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: Wow, you running It was like unbelievable.

948
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: But there was this kind of innocence to it which

949
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: just reminded me of being a teenager and discovering music.

950
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: And it was really really exciting, And it was really

951
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: exciting to be around new people who weren't looking at

952
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: me as like, oh, you're Charlie's like the DJ.

953
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 4: They were just like, are your Charlie dark?

954
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: You once said in an interview, you said, the road

955
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: does not care if you're a CEO or unemployed, rich

956
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: or poor. If you train for the road, it will

957
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: reward you in ways you could never imagine. But if

958
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: you underestimate its power, it will break you in ways

959
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: you never thought possible. You've run seven plus marathon Copenhagen, Paris, Chicago.

960
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, run Chicago, run New York, Butlin, London a few times.

961
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: Did any of those truly break you?

962
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: Paris Marathon was the first one I did that broke me.

963
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean in ways that I ran behind this woman

964
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: for sixteen miles. I don't know if like, basically, sometimes

965
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: when you run long distances, you can find that you

966
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: want to go to the toilet, and if you're going

967
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: for time, you might not want to stop to run

968
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: off to the toilet, so you might just do it

969
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: as you're running along. Oh and so I was running

970
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: behind her. You can edit this bit out for about

971
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: sixteen miles and then basically she decided to go to

972
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: the toilet in front of me and kept her running.

973
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: That was quite interesting. You're looking at me in disbelief

974
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: it does happen. Yeah, So that was like that was

975
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: like I was like, wow, man, you guys are really

976
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: so obsessed by the time that you would do that. Secondly,

977
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: got cramps. I just underestimated the distance. I just turned

978
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: up and thought, well, you know, I'll be fine. It

979
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: was just really it was weird. It was just kind

980
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: of one of those things where I was winging it

981
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: and that broke me hood to coast. That definitely did

982
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: some things to my body that are still, you know,

983
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: being repaired right now. I think you learn lessons every

984
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: time that you run, but I think when you go

985
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: and run a marathon you definitely learn some lessons because

986
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: I think the problem is like a bit like fighting.

987
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: Most people learn how to fight from watching TV, so

988
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: they think that actually, when they punt someone, there's going

989
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: to be that batman sound like wow, and then the

990
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: person's going to fall down to the floor. So if

991
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: you watch marathons on the TV, really all you really

992
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: see are kind of, you know, the elite athletes.

993
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: That's all the story is all about.

994
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: So you kind of just think that basically it's this

995
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: constant like once you start, it's just this constant journey

996
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: all the way. And then you run a marathon and

997
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: you get to the first water station and it's like chaos.

998
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: People elbowing you, like there's all this weird stuff that

999
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: you've never even thought would happen. People start collapsing like

1000
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: they get all this weird things that's happened to you,

1001
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: and I just underestimated it and I had to go

1002
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: almost had to go back. And really it was a

1003
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: really humbling experience my first couple of marathons.

1004
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: Do you remember the finish line moment from the first one, Yeah.

1005
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: Definitely, The tears were so real. And also at the

1006
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: time I was you know when I first oh wow,

1007
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean must have been around two two thousand and seven.

1008
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: I think I did the first one.

1009
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 3: Oh wow, pretty quick.

1010
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: And journey, Yeah, we wanted to because also what's happening

1011
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: is people are like, why are you running. What happens

1012
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: in your friendship circle when you start getting fit is

1013
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: everyone in your circle starts to have things to start

1014
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: look at themselves. So there are the people who are

1015
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: very supportive of your journey, but then there are the

1016
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: people who want you to fail, because ultimately, if you

1017
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: get fit, then they have to get fit. You know,

1018
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: suddenly you don't want to be in the club you

1019
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: want to be You're like, I need the early set

1020
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: because I got it to run, you know, fifteen miles

1021
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: in the morning. Promoters looking at you like you're crazy,

1022
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: And so my whole friendship circle is starting to change.

1023
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 4: And so I was like, right, I'm.

1024
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: Gona run a marathon because if I run a marathon,

1025
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: and that proves I'm really a runner. And I'm going

1026
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: gonna pluck this number from finn Air that's going to

1027
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: sound good to people who don't run, and that number

1028
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: is traditionally sub four hours, the.

1029
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 3: Miscal waves the hand in the air, sub four hours.

1030
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna run sub four. Yeah, and I didn't run

1031
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: some four.

1032
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: I think I ran four forty seven or something like that,

1033
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, that was quite humbling to

1034
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: come back and people were like, so you ran sub

1035
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: four And I remember saying, no, I ran four hours

1036
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: forty seven and.

1037
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 4: They were like, what do you do? Do you walk around?

1038
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 4: And I was like, I just one one of the

1039
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 4: hardest things that I've ever done in my life.

1040
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: No shade, no shade, exactly.

1041
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1042
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: And then we went through this phase with just you know,

1043
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: you don't get the time you want, so you just

1044
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: start signing up to anything. You just any race, you know,

1045
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: and it's just so you can look like mister T

1046
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: and have loads of medals around and kind of, yeah,

1047
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: I made every marathon mistake that you possibly could make.

1048
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: Obviously there are some potential soon to be New York

1049
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: City and marathons in the room.

1050
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: By the time of episode airs, they will have done it. Yes,

1051
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 3: So congrats.

1052
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: That was a really kind of like BBC polite, we're

1053
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: having to clap because we have to clap, and not

1054
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: a real kind of like make noise for the marathon

1055
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: people there.

1056
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 4: Thank you well. The world.

1057
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: We needed that, we needed that.

1058
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so some marathoners in the room you just mentioned

1059
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: marathon mistakes. Yes, number one mistake you have made running

1060
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: a marathon.

1061
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So you arrive and there's water everywhere, and so

1062
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: because there's water everywhere and it's free, you just start

1063
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: drinking as much water as you can because it's the

1064
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: thing to do, nervous energy. And then, of course what happens.

1065
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: You need to go to the toilet, but the toilet

1066
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 1: queue is three miles long.

1067
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 4: That's one of the big mistakes.

1068
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: Oh.

1069
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: Second one, don't go to your mum's house to go

1070
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: and eat some crazy food that you've never had before

1071
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: two days before your marathon. Because that also, don't buy

1072
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: don't wear new shoes, don't go and buy new socks.

1073
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: I've done all of the I'm gonna look fresh to

1074
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: death when I line up on the thing. I've got

1075
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: brand new trainer's, brand new socks, brand new kit. Oh

1076
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: my god, why my nipples bleeding? I don't understand what's

1077
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: going on. And the most important thing for you know,

1078
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: for me is when I first started running marathons in particular,

1079
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: there weren't loads of people of color running, and so

1080
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: people would be looking at you like, well, he's not Kenyan,

1081
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: you know. And that was the thing, like people be like,

1082
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: you're not Kenyan, why are you running?

1083
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: You know?

1084
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: And and it was a real thing. And I really

1085
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: felt like I was being looked at. And also I didn't,

1086
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, I ran my first marathon in like basketball shorts.

1087
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: I wor Catton likings from Target for my first marathon.

1088
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I turned up in my first you know race, I

1089
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: added like a red and five turbo. Some of another

1090
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: crazy carboys been into my cars, the windows down, the

1091
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: blasting the music out.

1092
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 4: I get out kind of coolly walk.

1093
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: Over to the start line and they're just looking at me,

1094
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: like dudes, like the football pitch is over here, like

1095
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: you come to the wrong sport. And it kind of

1096
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: spurred me on in a way, you know, because a

1097
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: lot of times as well, it's like when you run

1098
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: these marathons, particularly you run London, you're running through the hood,

1099
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, and the hood guys are looking at you, like,

1100
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: and they're just waiting, you know, after all the hot

1101
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: girls have gone past. Then they start getting a bit

1102
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: bored and then they're like looking at you like, and

1103
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: they're really looking at you, like what you're doing. And

1104
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: my thing is, you can't be what you can't see,

1105
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: you know. And so that's the reason why you know,

1106
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: I encourage the most unlikely people to get out there

1107
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: and get running, whether you're running a mile, running five minutes,

1108
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: fifty month, whatever, because you never know who you're inspiring.

1109
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I've learned from run them is

1110
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: like the messages that we get daily from people who

1111
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: are just like thank you physic existing. You know, my

1112
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: running club isn't really you know, I don't really feel

1113
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: like I fit in there. But what you do I

1114
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: can really resonate with. And because you run a marathon

1115
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: or you started running. I started running because I started running,

1116
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: My husband started running, and now the kids are running,

1117
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: and now you know, the whole family is running and

1118
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: the next door neighbors, and I just feel one of

1119
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: my big missions is to try and place leaders back

1120
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: in communities, you know, people who can bring change, who

1121
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: are inspirational and inspiring. And this is my thing of

1122
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: running is like when i'm you know, I'm not running

1123
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: for times, I'm running to inspire people to get off

1124
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: the sofa and get moving because I just I know that,

1125
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's something that running gives you. This sense

1126
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: of confidence, this sense of power, this sense of strength,

1127
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: this sense of self belief, this sense of structure that

1128
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: it's very hard to find anywhere else. And there's something

1129
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: so empowering about running a marathon, and you know, going

1130
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: for that journey because it is an up and down

1131
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: journey and there are parts where you loving it and

1132
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: bits where you like, I just want to stop right now.

1133
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: But there's something that you get when you kind of

1134
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: like run a marathon, especially those big city marathons, and

1135
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: people that you can't like, I can't find anything else

1136
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: that you can replicate it. It's the equivalent for me

1137
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: of playing the record and the crowd goes wild, but

1138
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, in two records time, you're about to play

1139
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: the real banger. That's about to kind of send it

1140
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: into overdrive. That's what marathon running is for me.

1141
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: And that's why you don't want people to talk about

1142
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: run demn crew like it's just a run club.

1143
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the day that basically people talk

1144
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: about is a run club is the day I close

1145
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: it down. I'm not interested in running and running club

1146
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: because I'm not interested in your time. I'm not interested

1147
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: in the distance. I'm interested in what have you learned,

1148
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: What has the run taught you? What have you learned

1149
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: about yourself? Who have you shared that information with? Who

1150
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: have you inspired?

1151
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: You know?

1152
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: And because I just feel like, you know, we're in

1153
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: this thing where basically it's all about time and distance,

1154
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: and you're a good runner because you run it in

1155
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: a certain time. Some of the quickest runners I know

1156
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: in my crew cannot lift their own shopping up, you know.

1157
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: And some of the people who deem themselves to be

1158
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: slow have some of the strongest, most resilient personalities I've

1159
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: ever met. Because Mofower doesn't want to go and run

1160
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: the marathon in seven hours, he doesn't want to be

1161
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: on the road for seven hours. His body can't take it.

1162
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: He'll probably breaking half he can't do it. So when

1163
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: you meet those people who they're running and they know

1164
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: that everyone's looking at them, and everyone's like, oh, look

1165
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: how slow you are.

1166
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 4: Like we have the thing in.

1167
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: London Marathon this year where kind of like the eight

1168
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: hour guys. You know, you know, they're taking the barriers

1169
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: away and there you know, the trucks are there and

1170
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: the guys are trying to clean up the street and

1171
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: they're kind of telling them to get off the road.

1172
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: You've got to have some real conviction to be on

1173
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: the road six seven, eight hours, still going, knowing that

1174
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: you don't look like a runner or what the world

1175
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: thinks to be because those type of people they're never

1176
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: in the magazines, they're not in the ads. It's like

1177
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: they don't exist. But they're the most important people that

1178
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: there is.

1179
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: And that's why it's special that you guys pop up

1180
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: at twenty one in the marathon.

1181
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's where the wheels fell off for me.

1182
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: I've seen it, Yeah, I've seen it.

1183
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: I went to London this year and I watched and

1184
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: I saw you guys, and it was something what we try.

1185
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: Our thing is if you can get people to come

1186
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: down and see a marathon unfold in the flesh. They're

1187
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: more likely to sign up to do it next year

1188
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: because what you realize the TV just shows you the

1189
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: highlight reel. The TV marathon coverage is a bit like Instagram.

1190
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 3: It's totally like Instagram.

1191
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's just the highlight reel. But actually when

1192
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: you see, like, you know, people who it should be

1193
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: easy for crumpling in tears, and then you see all

1194
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: these you know, you see the person with the fridge

1195
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: on their back come past, and the guy in the

1196
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: rhino costume, and it's it's just an amazing And again,

1197
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: as I always saying, I've said this in so many interviews,

1198
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: but it's the only time that strangers will come out

1199
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: of their house and will you to succeed. No one

1200
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: who's watching you, you know. And then this is for

1201
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: anyone who's running on Sunday. There's no one who's watching

1202
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: you who wants you to fail. Everybody wants you to succeed.

1203
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: So if it gets hard, just collapse to the floor

1204
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: and someone will probably come and pick you up and

1205
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: carry you to the end.

1206
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 4: You know.

1207
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: And for the young people I work with, it it's

1208
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: really important for them to see that, you know, and

1209
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: I love it when you know, the sixteen seventeen, eighteen

1210
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: year olds come out and you know, they go and

1211
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: run a marathon and they suddenly get into it, and

1212
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: then they become good at it and it becomes a

1213
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: thing that they do, you know. And my thing is,

1214
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to change the perception because i just

1215
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: think that if more people realized that there is no

1216
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: one cookie cutter type runner, and people realize how beneficial

1217
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: it could be for their mental health, for their physical health,

1218
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: their spiritual health, for their community health, you know, their

1219
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: relationship health, then more people would do it.

1220
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: You're out there and inspiring a lot of people, and

1221
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 2: you know, they go to your Instagram feed or wherever

1222
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: they might come across you, and they see a man

1223
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 2: who is humble and strong willed and excited to hopefully

1224
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: help others and also aesthetically a runner.

1225
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 3: When you.

1226
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: Stand in front of a mirror and you look at

1227
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: the mirror, what is it that you see looking.

1228
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: Back at you.

1229
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: I see sun shine smiling back at me, you know,

1230
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: And it hasn't always been that way, but I'm really

1231
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: happy with the person that I've seen in the mirror

1232
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: now because he's chilled out and he's being himself. And

1233
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not one of these people who like

1234
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: wakes up in the morning and be like, oh, I'm

1235
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: super inspirational and I'm out to inspire people. I do

1236
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: call myself Mister Encouragement at times because I like encouraging people.

1237
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: But I just realized that, you know, there are certain

1238
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: people that I've met in my life who if I

1239
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: hadn't met them, my life would be very different. So

1240
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: my English teacher who was like, I know, I see you, Charlie,

1241
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: I see you. There's something very powerful when someone tells

1242
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: you that they see you and they accept you who

1243
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: you are and they're going to help you. So that

1244
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: given me the power, you know, the pen and the book,

1245
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: the weapon, and the best friend.

1246
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 4: That was really important for me.

1247
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: People who helped me, you know, you know, who've helped

1248
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: me buy food when I didn't have money for food,

1249
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: or given me records to DJ with when I didn't

1250
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: have records DJ with, or given me opportunities in life.

1251
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: And I just want to pay it back to people

1252
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: because I don't buy into the myth that people who

1253
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: kind of which we have now where it's like I

1254
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,919
Speaker 1: made it all by myself Nah, there was a big

1255
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: team of people, So I'm just trying to pay it

1256
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: back to people. And you know, I think lots of

1257
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: people think that you're weak if you help other people

1258
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 1: or put other people before yourself, But I actually really

1259
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: do feel like it's a superpower. I think there's something

1260
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: really super about pressing the button for the lift, waiting

1261
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: for the doors to open, and allowing everyone else to

1262
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: get back in front of you, and then when you

1263
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: get there, send the lift back down to the bottom

1264
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: so that more people can get in the lift to

1265
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: come and join you. Because the one thing I do

1266
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: know about kind of you know, my time in the

1267
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: music industry, it's not cool to be in the penthouse

1268
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: or the VIP party by yourself with none of your friends.

1269
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: It's a bit boring, you know, and it's a bit lonely.

1270
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: There's something really weird about kind of like achieving these

1271
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: really amazing things and then sitting in the hotel room

1272
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: by yourself all your friends are asleep. So I actually

1273
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: like to bring as many of my people with me,

1274
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: and different types of people as well.

1275
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: And that's why now the crew is over five hundred strong, right.

1276
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Deep, right now, beautiful, you know, and yeah, and we

1277
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: just moved. We were based in East London for thirteen

1278
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: years and we've just moved to South London to Brixton.

1279
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: And what we've realized is, you know the power of

1280
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: social impact and how we can impact and help other people,

1281
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: you know. And so we've got this scheme at the

1282
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: moment where basically you can come to run them, or

1283
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: you can pay for someone else to also come to

1284
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: run them. You know, a younger person in the community,

1285
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: and you know they've got a public library and just this.

1286
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: There's so much more that we can be doing, and

1287
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: it's running around the streets.

1288
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to close this out here.

1289
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: You have an opportunity right now to offer the charlie

1290
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: uh who is hanging out on Christmas Day deciding he's

1291
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: going to go for that run, or maybe even the

1292
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: charlie who looks in the mirror and just sees such

1293
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: a dull you know, Geze looking back at him. You

1294
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: have the opportunity right now to offer him one piece

1295
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: of advice looking back on that hurdle moment right now, Wow,

1296
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: what do you tell him?

1297
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: You're good man? That's a good question. What do I

1298
01:00:51,920 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: tell them? Wow, don't fake it? I had a friend death,

1299
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: good friend of mine from New York. He actually gave

1300
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: me the name Charlie Dark, and he always used to say,

1301
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: don't fake it. Let's be true to yourself, you know,

1302
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: don't apologize for who you are. Just be you find

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Speaker 1: your tribe.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for hanging out with me tonight. Let's

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Speaker 2: hear it for Charlie