WEBVTT - #444 - LL Cool J

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Blutleg Cavs Show special guests, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the guy who the reason why.

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<v Speaker 1>We use the word ghats is because of this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Just dropped a new record that is insane too, man Ello,

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<v Speaker 1>cool Jay, thank you for your time, brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Bootleg cav what's up, Betty? Happy to be in man, Yo.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the first rapper in my entire life that I

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<v Speaker 1>ever met. I was fourteen in Arizona at a jewelry store.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a triple Excel aver X jacket on Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>Pacers Jermaine O'Neil Jersey, and I got a picture with

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<v Speaker 1>you at a jewelry store in Arizona and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like the best moment of my life up until you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, so, yeah, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's crazy, man. Well, you know it's funny that life

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<v Speaker 4>comes full circle, right for sure. Man in the face

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<v Speaker 4>with a pile something. You know, Hey, at least it

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<v Speaker 4>worked out good vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this new record is crazy, and I like it because,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I feel like this is when I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>a new LU record was coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, the probably said, you know something

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<v Speaker 2>for the ladies.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you came with some real hip hop shit like

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<v Speaker 1>kicking off this this whole rollout. Man, explain to me

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<v Speaker 1>just why you're going this direction right away? Obviously you're

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest of all time. The beat is

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy, it's so it's such a boomback beat. You

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<v Speaker 1>got Ross and Fat Joe talking greasy on there, like like,

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<v Speaker 1>why why are you coming this way right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yo?

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<v Speaker 4>I was inspired by you know what I'm saying, like

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<v Speaker 4>inspired by the vibe, like the whole idea, like listen,

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<v Speaker 4>if you want to survive in this world. It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, it all started like really just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 3>I ran around with a mask on and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with a hoodie on.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was on the subway, and I was in

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<v Speaker 4>the projects, and I was in all the places that

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<v Speaker 4>you probably wouldn't think a quote unquote celebrity or artists

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<v Speaker 4>would be. And I was by myself and I was

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<v Speaker 4>moving around. I was incognito. I was anonymous in the

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<v Speaker 4>disguise nobody really knew. Nobody knew me at all.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I.

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<v Speaker 4>Realizes that one of the things you forget about when

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<v Speaker 4>you out here in this world even if you just

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<v Speaker 4>someone with a good job, like just even if you're

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<v Speaker 4>just an everyday working person with a really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Job, you forget what's going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>You forget about the danger that some people face on

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<v Speaker 4>a day to day basis, You forget about some of

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<v Speaker 4>the hardships.

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<v Speaker 3>You forget.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the things I realize is that you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, let me impart some of them tools, because

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<v Speaker 4>part of surviving in this life.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, whether whether it's in the street, whether it's you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, at some academy somewhere, whether it's you know, you're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to pass the ball on whatever level you look

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<v Speaker 4>at it, keeping your word and paying people back is

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<v Speaker 4>a key to surviving in life.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a key.

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<v Speaker 4>It's called integrity. I'm not talking about moral judgment being perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>I ain't say that, but keeping your word, meaning what

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<v Speaker 4>you say, saying what you mean is important. And so

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<v Speaker 4>that's what this song, why this song was so important

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<v Speaker 4>to me. So when I wrote it, I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>me and Tip were talking. I was like, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what the sonics of this meant?

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<v Speaker 3>Man? It was just I think Ross and Joe would

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<v Speaker 3>sound crazy on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Q Tip do the beat?

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<v Speaker 3>He q Tip executive produced my whole album.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh shit, yeah yeah yeah, So it's it's it's just

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<v Speaker 4>this whole project. The force is I think innovative because

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<v Speaker 4>like what I wanted to do, Like my thing is

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<v Speaker 4>that we're in a genre and you grew up in it,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know what I'm talking about. We're in a

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<v Speaker 4>genre where we used to people having a certain amount

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<v Speaker 4>of time, a certain type of run, and then they're

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<v Speaker 4>done and they step away and that's it, and anything

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<v Speaker 4>after that is mediocrity.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's one key point when they rocking on.

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<v Speaker 4>Top of the game, and then everything else is kind

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<v Speaker 4>of andep I believe personally that's just because the genre

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<v Speaker 4>is young.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, people say.

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<v Speaker 4>Fifty years of hip hop and certain generations, that sounds ancient,

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<v Speaker 4>but if you say somebody transitioned at fifty, you would

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<v Speaker 4>realize how.

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<v Speaker 3>Young it is for a genre.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like, yo, you know what, let me lead

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<v Speaker 4>by example, let me show people that just like when

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<v Speaker 4>James Cameron puts out a new Avatar, when they put

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<v Speaker 4>out a new Lord of the Rings, when a new

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<v Speaker 4>ll COOJ album comes, it should be an event. It

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<v Speaker 4>should be innovative, it should be groundbreaking. It should create

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<v Speaker 4>a different type of energy. It should not be following.

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<v Speaker 4>It should be special and unique and something that only

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<v Speaker 4>I could do. And that was the that's the goal.

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<v Speaker 4>So this was just the beginning, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot more where that came from, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yo, shout out to Joe Ann Ross on the record

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<v Speaker 1>you have stolen the show as a feature artist quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few times, obviously, Rampage EPMD. My favorite probably Serial

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<v Speaker 1>Killers on the Blackout album with Methan Red. Whould somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who you've gotten a guest verse from where you were like, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>they might have got me on this one?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, you know that's a very interesting Well

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<v Speaker 4>it depends on I'm gonna tell you man, and this

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<v Speaker 4>is the like, it really depends on the type of

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<v Speaker 4>song it is. Right, If it's a song where I'm

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<v Speaker 4>really trying to go there, I've never.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt that, You've never felt that way? No, that's fair

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<v Speaker 1>now now.

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<v Speaker 4>Now if it's a song that's like more of a

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<v Speaker 4>like a party thing and I'm like doing my thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But then niggid, But yes, I felt that before, like

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like like I loved, like I felt very

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable in my verse. But I loved with Biggie and

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<v Speaker 4>Busta did on Flavor in Your Ear the remix, Like

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<v Speaker 4>I thought what they did was great. I felt good

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<v Speaker 4>about mine too because it was so quirky, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I love what I did. It was quirky, shit, lookit,

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<v Speaker 4>it was cool. But I loved what you know, Biggie

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<v Speaker 4>and Busta did on that song. I thought they killed it.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and even on my new album, I have

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<v Speaker 4>a song where I think somebody did something really really cool,

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<v Speaker 4>but I actually I love that, Like I look at

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<v Speaker 4>that as like that's what it's about, Like it's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just like it's just like basketball, man, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not going to go to the championship every year, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But that don't mean you can't play ball. Lebron I

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<v Speaker 4>may not be in the finals this year, but that

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<v Speaker 4>boy could play ball. We're not gonna say he can't

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<v Speaker 4>play ball just because he hit the finals this year.

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<v Speaker 4>So with the projects, I look at it the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like I might do one, Okay, I do one.

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<v Speaker 4>It didn't I didn't lock in all the way or

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<v Speaker 4>didn't touch Okay, cool, but that don't mean that it

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<v Speaker 4>ain't gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Be like like you just gonna blow me out the job.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard this one and I said, it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a hit in the throat to remind people

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<v Speaker 1>like which I'm ll cool J, but you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know what it really like.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that happens more organically when you're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>have fun as opposed to when you trying to hit

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<v Speaker 4>people in the throat. I wasn't trying to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>What I was trying to do is make some dope shit.

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<v Speaker 4>What I was trying to do is put something together

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<v Speaker 4>that people could feel, that they could vibe to, that

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<v Speaker 4>was relatable, that came from the soul and came from

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<v Speaker 4>the heart. Because all of my best music I wrote

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<v Speaker 4>it from the heart. I didn't you know. I may

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<v Speaker 4>have been anger, I may have had different fuel. I

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<v Speaker 4>may have feeling horny or whatever the feeling was, but

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<v Speaker 4>whatever it was, it came from the heart. It didn't

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<v Speaker 4>come from like a contry try a place even like

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<v Speaker 4>you mentioned rampage like that was from the heart. Like

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Like, so you know, Saturday

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<v Speaker 4>Night Special, Baby, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I want to talk about longevity because when we

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<v Speaker 1>think of like hip hop longevity, there's nobody. There's not

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<v Speaker 1>a person that has more longevity than you, like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't you know, like shots of Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not making music no more.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, And obviously rect in peace

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<v Speaker 2>to jam Master J.

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<v Speaker 1>But the longevity, there is a whole other level of

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<v Speaker 1>longevity that we're inside of when it comes to you

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<v Speaker 1>and your career and the errors of your career.

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<v Speaker 2>And the tree that you you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Where it's acting or executive producing, the radio station, the festival.

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<v Speaker 1>Now is who's an artist that you are just a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of that's you know, of the newer generation that

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<v Speaker 1>you can see kind of being around for years to come,

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<v Speaker 1>like yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, man, I think it's a lot of them. I

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<v Speaker 4>think that I think that Kendrick and can have a

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<v Speaker 4>long run. I think Drake can have a really long run.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think there's a lot of them. I think

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<v Speaker 4>Future can have a long run. I think because he's

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<v Speaker 4>a great writer. I think, you know, that really comes

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<v Speaker 4>down to a lot of different things. Man, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things that come into play with that. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not just look, first of all, you gotta love it

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<v Speaker 4>and you got to care about it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're only doing it just for money, even if

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<v Speaker 4>you happen to catch the big check, that won't be

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<v Speaker 4>enough for you to keep going to distance because you'll

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<v Speaker 4>get lazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you have to love.

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<v Speaker 1>It, and you're not always going to be on top,

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<v Speaker 1>so the money's not always gonna be there. So you

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<v Speaker 1>got to put up shots just because you like putting

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<v Speaker 1>up shots, like you like, not.

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<v Speaker 4>True too well, you know that, I know what you're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to say. And yes, you know, there's a certain

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<v Speaker 4>amount of money. When you make a certain amount of money,

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<v Speaker 4>you're good regardless. Like, so it doesn't really become about

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<v Speaker 4>that per se. It's not about like a salary. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's more about like if you get comfortable, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, Like, it's about being creatively comfortable as

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<v Speaker 4>a poet, to be willing.

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<v Speaker 3>To take some chances, take some risks, you know, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 4>And also there is the fear factor associated with art, right,

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<v Speaker 4>like I could be like yo, I could have just

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<v Speaker 4>been afraid to make new music just because I think

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<v Speaker 4>the world changed, and just let that idea of the

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<v Speaker 4>world changing intimidate me in the thinking that I have

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<v Speaker 4>nothing to offer as an artist. But that's not true.

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<v Speaker 4>That's something those of fabrications we create in our mind.

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<v Speaker 4>You have taste. If you pay attention, you you have taste.

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<v Speaker 4>If you pay attention, you know what you want to play,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what you want to spend, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>you want to listen to, you know what the topics

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<v Speaker 4>you want to discuss.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, so, we all have a point of view.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just you have to be confident enough and open

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<v Speaker 4>enough to be vulnerable. Remember, like and sports is a

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<v Speaker 4>good metaphor because that most people can relate to it.

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<v Speaker 3>The greatest athletes in the world are the most vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 4>Why because in order to take the game winning shot,

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<v Speaker 4>you have to risk missing it and the whole world's.

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<v Speaker 3>Watching in order to in order for you know, to shoot.

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<v Speaker 4>That that that that that shot from the.

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<v Speaker 2>Tunnel, Like, yeah, you gotta know what comes with missing it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet exactly so that as as an artist, when you're

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<v Speaker 4>creating music and all that, it's the same idea. It's like, yo,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. People could love it, people

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<v Speaker 4>get you gotta love it, So you gotta have confidence

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<v Speaker 4>in that so me, I just love what I did.

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<v Speaker 4>I promised people I was doing an album for the culture.

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<v Speaker 4>I told people you have I have two types of

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<v Speaker 4>albums that I made. I make albums sometimes for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Typically those albums are not commercial and only a very

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<v Speaker 4>small handful of people really appreciate them, and most people don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I have other albums that I create where I

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<v Speaker 4>do an album that's really for the culture, where I'm

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<v Speaker 4>really locked in and paying attention to the culture, and

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<v Speaker 4>I do those for them. This is one of my

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<v Speaker 4>cultural albums, So that's why it has that different feel

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<v Speaker 4>to it. Now that being said, there are two audiences.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a don't call it a comeback audience who been

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<v Speaker 4>knowing me from day one. Is that he raps audience

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<v Speaker 4>who are going to be surprised by this, like this

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<v Speaker 4>new artist who who.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a celebrity.

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<v Speaker 4>They know it's a celebrity, but may not necessarily know

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<v Speaker 4>him as a rapper. And so you have to get

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<v Speaker 4>something that you could press play on that both of

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<v Speaker 4>those audiences love, at least your version of what you

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<v Speaker 4>believe they'll love.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yo, So when I was a little kid, I scoured

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<v Speaker 1>every Wharehouse in Phoenix, Arizona to find the deluxe edition

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<v Speaker 1>of DMX's It's Dark.

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<v Speaker 2>And Hell Is Hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, why would I want to find the deluxe edition

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<v Speaker 1>that came with an extra disc?

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<v Speaker 2>What song was? Do you remember the song that was

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<v Speaker 2>on the extra disc? No, it was the Ripper strikes Back.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. It was the Ripper strikes Back. Damn, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the CD looked just like DMX's album. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I had, like, bro, when I tell you like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that entire song by heart, Like, uh, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you've been a part of legendary hip hop battles. I

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<v Speaker 1>just got to know, just from a fans perspective, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about this? You mentioned Kendrick and Drake earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>You just you know, I mean, I think it's good

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<v Speaker 1>for hip hop. What are your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 4>About thought it was great for hip hop? I thought

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<v Speaker 4>it was great. Yeah, I thought it was great for

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<v Speaker 4>hip hop. I thought it was the right thing. I

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<v Speaker 4>thought they both did well. They held their own I

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<v Speaker 4>thought Kendrick one, but I thought that Drake by no

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<v Speaker 4>means did he embarrass himself or have anything to hold

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<v Speaker 4>his hand.

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<v Speaker 2>He showed up, he showed up.

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<v Speaker 3>He definitely showed up. He did his thing.

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<v Speaker 4>He showed up, and I think his fans can feel

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable with that, and I think Kendrick fans and they

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<v Speaker 4>probably got to cross over. Both of them are fans

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<v Speaker 4>that loved them both.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought it was great for hip hop.

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<v Speaker 4>And the key to that stuff is as long as

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't distract you from your ultimate goal, it's a

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful thing to participate in.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it, man, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was dope to see you think cannabis too

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<v Speaker 1>on was it the Hall of Fame speech you had,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, one.

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<v Speaker 4>Years ago, because like listen man, like it's about the art,

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<v Speaker 4>like this stuff is. You know, this is no different

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<v Speaker 4>from you know Lebron and Steph. It's no different from

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Jordan when he was coming in and Magic

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<v Speaker 4>was going out, or you know whoever you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Edwards and Luca. We just saw no difference.

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<v Speaker 3>The court.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you're on the court, so you're on the record.

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<v Speaker 4>It's cool after that, it's not personal.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I love you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all good, but it's and it's fun. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was great for hip hop.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, talk to me about, uh, you are obviously in

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<v Speaker 1>some legendary movies, a part of some legendary soundtracks as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just talking to my boy because I just

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<v Speaker 1>had a conversation with Demizza Damien Young from Power on

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<v Speaker 1>six and he was talking about, uh, the first time

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<v Speaker 1>he heard Zoom because.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Bullwarp soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Bull orb soundtrack was crazy, right. But

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Heart had like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Shark's fin and and uh, you know, any Deep Blue

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<v Speaker 1>was crazy in your opinion, what is the best movie

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<v Speaker 1>that is a just over the years that you were in?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Me, yeah, that you were that you were in because

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<v Speaker 1>you were in some heat man, like my personal favorites,

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<v Speaker 1>Any given Sunday.

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<v Speaker 4>I was about to say, probably the one that aged

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<v Speaker 4>the best would be any Given Sunday, and probably Into Deep.

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<v Speaker 2>Into Deep was five. Also how to Rob on the

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<v Speaker 2>soundtrack How to.

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<v Speaker 4>Rob fifty Cents first joint, Yeah, well first song, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>How to Rob was on there. I think Nas was

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<v Speaker 3>on that soundtrack. There was a few people on there.

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<v Speaker 3>It was dope. It was dope.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this album what made you know? Because obviously

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<v Speaker 1>Q tip is a legend, uh, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the greats ever, just in terms of just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I got Tribe as the top three group all time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's one of the best producers to ever

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<v Speaker 1>live what they made. You guys come together and decide

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<v Speaker 1>to do this together.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, I had a man, you know, it's it's really

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of funny as so I had a dream

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<v Speaker 4>about five Dog, you know what I'm saying. And I

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<v Speaker 4>was at the time, I was working on the studio

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<v Speaker 4>in Drake. With Drake, we got like thirty forty songs.

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<v Speaker 4>I was working on, me and him, but it.

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<v Speaker 5>Was literally Doctor Dre Yeah, Doctor drechalantly like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>me and Doctor Dre got thirty forty songs I never

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<v Speaker 5>ever hear ever, but you know, yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 4>Felt like I didn't feel like my pen was living

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<v Speaker 4>up to the quality of his music. I felt like

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<v Speaker 4>the music was better than the songs I was writing.

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<v Speaker 4>So I decided to take a little bit of a break.

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<v Speaker 4>And he had other projects so it didn't affect him,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, And I was kind of just like pulled

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<v Speaker 4>back just a little bit and started thinking about my

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<v Speaker 4>writing and thinking about like how I wanted to approach

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<v Speaker 4>this thing. And then you know, Fife Dog came to

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<v Speaker 4>me in a dream. You know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I know it sounds crazy, but I'm telling that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>really telling you the truth. No, cap, this is real,

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<v Speaker 4>real shit. He came to me a dream and I

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<v Speaker 4>was like yo. He just was basically like, Yo, them

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<v Speaker 4>songs you're working on they dope.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But then he looked at me with like a like

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<v Speaker 4>a little smirk like maybe they're not so dope.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I woke up that next day was it

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<v Speaker 4>stayed on my mind and I said, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>What, something just told me to call Q Tip.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, cause I five, I can't talk to Fife direct,

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<v Speaker 4>so let me call the Tip And I called Tip

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<v Speaker 4>up and I'm like, yo, Tip Man, I said, yo,

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<v Speaker 4>I wanna do an album?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he said, well what you want to do?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, Man, I want to do the blackest hot

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<v Speaker 4>Sauce Chicken wing Flower in the paper Bag season their

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<v Speaker 4>joint in the world. So it's hip hop, I said,

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<v Speaker 4>straight up. He said, what's up, big bro, say, let's

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<v Speaker 4>next thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We did? We win the studio and here we are. Man.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, And it just was like

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<v Speaker 4>it was inspiring. And it's not that it's excluding anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>I just wanted to be focused, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 4>and really make something some dope shit. And we got

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<v Speaker 4>in the studio and it just man, we just clicked.

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<v Speaker 4>We just clicked in the studio. Man, we just started working.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I mean, look, even.

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<v Speaker 3>Saturday Night Special, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Bro. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 2>How many songs are on the album if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind me asking, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not gonna reveal it yet.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's it's but it's but but I'm gonna come

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<v Speaker 4>back to you. We'll talk again as I'm rolling this

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<v Speaker 4>thing out. We will talk again.

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<v Speaker 2>In person, hopefully because we're in LA.

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<v Speaker 3>We're all both of them, come in person.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing, l if you're the goat, my bock goat.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Uh, actually you signed that album when

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<v Speaker 1>I met you. I have a man at my house

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<v Speaker 1>still framed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to rip the cardboard because it was a

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<v Speaker 1>cardboard CD. It wasn't like a jewel case, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can frame it. But if you're the goat, who's your goat?

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<v Speaker 2>In hip hop?

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<v Speaker 3>Hip hop?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, obviously, if you're the greatest of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the greatest of all times?

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<v Speaker 3>Goat? Who?

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<v Speaker 2>If it's not you in your opinion, who's the goat?

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<v Speaker 3>I understand exactly what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So, so here's the thing, Like, here's the thing about

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I just want to like kind of qualify it.

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<v Speaker 3>See a lot of people, and I like, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people have different criteria for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, most of the time it ends up being something

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<v Speaker 4>about wordplaying street records like that's usually where it ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>lies because most of the guys, who most of the

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<v Speaker 4>people that vote and think about that are a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of males and guys, and they think about it that way, right.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I was raised in hip hop before all that,

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<v Speaker 4>even before that, right, I mean I became a fan

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<v Speaker 4>when I was eight years old. When I was eight

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<v Speaker 4>years old, I was listening to the tapes of The

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<v Speaker 4>Cold Crush and the Treacherous and before there was records

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<v Speaker 4>on Viney, and then when it came to vinyl, I

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<v Speaker 4>was listening to all that too. So I say that

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<v Speaker 4>to say this, I look at a whole package, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, run DMC.

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<v Speaker 3>Is like the greatest hip hop group.

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<v Speaker 4>They're unbelievable and groundbreaking, and you have to in order

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<v Speaker 4>to put it in the context. You like, when you

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<v Speaker 4>look at these artists, Right, you don't compare.

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<v Speaker 3>A model T to a.

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<v Speaker 4>F thirteen, F eighteen or F whatever, you know, F

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<v Speaker 4>thirty five whatever. You know what I'm saying. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>compare a model T Ford. I mean, I'm sorry. You

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<v Speaker 4>don't compare the Right Brothers what they built to a

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<v Speaker 4>jet fighter. You look at what where the Right Brothers

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<v Speaker 4>came from.

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<v Speaker 1>The same way about basketball, Like we go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball comparison. It's like you can't compare Will to

0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.760
<v Speaker 1>embiid like exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Jow out exactly. So my point I say that to say.

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<v Speaker 4>This because remember everybody that came after everybody had the

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<v Speaker 4>luxury of being influenced by the people that you're comparing

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<v Speaker 4>them to. So ultimately, you know, it's like compound interest

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<v Speaker 4>on ideas and philosophy and approach. Right, If I have

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<v Speaker 4>this person has one perst in form, he gets the

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<v Speaker 4>benefit of learning from one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the youngest sibling.

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<v Speaker 4>The youngest sibling learns from all the older siblings. The

0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.960
<v Speaker 4>older sibling only learns from the parents, and if they're brilliant,

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<v Speaker 4>then maybe they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Learn from the younger siblings.

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<v Speaker 4>But only there's very few people that a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>their minds to be flexible enough to learn from those

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<v Speaker 4>who come after them.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually like that, but it's not but it's rare

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<v Speaker 3>so to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, Like when I look at Mellie mel, I look

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<v Speaker 4>at you know, the fear of Graandma that's the flash

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<v Speaker 4>of the Furious Five.

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<v Speaker 3>And I look at the Treachers three, and I look

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<v Speaker 3>at run DMC.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are great acts, man, Those are like because they've

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<v Speaker 4>made something out of nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the person who came after you that you're like, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a fan of too many of the name man.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean like Big Daddy Kane is like my favorite rapper, Daddy,

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<v Speaker 4>Big Daddy Kane is.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable to me. I mean it's like, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>amazing to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I love Rock Kim. I think Rock Kim is amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>I love I love EM. I think Em is amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Cougi Rapp is amazing. I love Prodigy. Prodigy

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<v Speaker 4>from Mob Deep is one of my favorite rappers. You

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, Like crazy love love Prodigy I

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<v Speaker 4>love Pharaoh Manch You know.

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<v Speaker 3>What I'm saying. Yes, you know what I'm saying. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean Cube n w A, I love n w A.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. I think.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Snoop has one of the Snoop can say

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<v Speaker 4>anything and make it sound great.

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<v Speaker 3>His flow is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 4>He can say andy goddamn thing and it would sound amazing,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I love him like so Rick, Like there's.

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<v Speaker 3>So many that I can name nas you know, his.

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<v Speaker 4>His story, the vivid pictures that he paints with his story,

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's so many artists that I think are top tien.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>The Goat thing for me was like a manifestation of

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<v Speaker 4>me looking at the reason I came up with that term,

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<v Speaker 4>since I was looking at Muhammad Ali being the greatest

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<v Speaker 4>of all Time, and I was looking at a street

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<v Speaker 4>ball player named Earl La Manigo and ear La Manigol

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<v Speaker 4>they used to call him got So I took greatest

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<v Speaker 4>of all Time and go and turned it into Goat

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<v Speaker 4>Greatest of all Time, made the acronym, and then named

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<v Speaker 4>the album.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no idea that it would turn into.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, yeah, it would become part of like the fabric

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<v Speaker 4>of society and all that. I was just thinking it

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<v Speaker 4>was cool. But and that was just how I looked

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<v Speaker 4>at myself. But I wasn't necessarily, you know, excluding every

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<v Speaker 4>other act. I still have my favorite acts that I

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<v Speaker 4>love and the people that I love hearing in music

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<v Speaker 4>Chuck d He has one of the most amazing voices

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<v Speaker 4>in the world. I mean, if you never witnessed a

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<v Speaker 4>DMX show like, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, yeah, multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean literally, man, stage it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>So, I mean, it's just so many great acts. Biggie,

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the studio in Biggie Row Who Shot You?

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<v Speaker 4>I watched them write it.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the video with Biggie when you row who

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<v Speaker 1>Shot You? That story for when we sit down do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to dive into that, but I know you

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<v Speaker 2>are limited time. Man. I listened with any idea in

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<v Speaker 2>the albums coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>It's coming out in the fall. The album's coming out

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<v Speaker 4>in the fall, and it's called The Force. And uh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll send you guys a track listen. We'll sit down,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll talk about the track listening. We're talking about the features.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll be having some listening parties I'll have

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<v Speaker 4>one here in l A.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll make sure they invite you. You come. You can

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<v Speaker 3>hear it. It's gonna be fun somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>You you haven't aged a day, So when you send

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<v Speaker 1>over the track listening, send over whatever you're eating and drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Well man got the magic elixa