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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, it's that time again. Time to kick off

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays in style with our traditional playing of our

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<v Speaker 1>episode on the Star Wars Holiday Special. If you've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen the actual special, I envy you, and I bet

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<v Speaker 1>the first time is the last time you watch it too.

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<v Speaker 1>We hear SYSK want to wish you a happy holiday season,

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<v Speaker 1>and we hope you enjoy the annual tradition of our

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<v Speaker 1>playing of the Star Wars Holiday Special episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with

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<v Speaker 1>Charles W. Chuckers Bryant and Jerry Jerome Roland.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's the Wookie mother?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mala, that was the Wookie wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and mother?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Chewbacca's bomb is not with them any longer. She left,

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<v Speaker 1>she was not about to appear in that.

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<v Speaker 3>She went out the window. I'm excited about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say we should say Happy Star Wars Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, today is December seventeenth.

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<v Speaker 3>I have my opening night tickets. Do you really sure? Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>You know you into it? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I will definitely go see it in the theater.

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<v Speaker 1>But well I won't be their opening night. Sure, I've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten really adept at like ignoring spoilers, people talking about

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<v Speaker 1>stuff all like, so I can I could conceivably see

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<v Speaker 1>this movie a month after it comes out and still

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<v Speaker 1>going fresh. Yeah I'm an ostrich.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you black yourself out. Yeah, you go dark I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I make myself go to sleep face, you go to

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<v Speaker 1>the dark side. I've been there a while now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Happy Star Wars Day, though, I'm sure that I

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<v Speaker 2>think this pairs nicely with Christmas Star Wars Day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all come together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we already missed Life Day though, so happy belated

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<v Speaker 1>Life Day.

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<v Speaker 3>Chi Are they celebrating it this year?

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<v Speaker 1>November seventeenth?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's every three years, our Caine. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 3>we job.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's every three years, started in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do the math, shall we?

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<v Speaker 2>Quick math break? I believe that twenty fourteen was the

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<v Speaker 2>last Life Day. Man, we just missed it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>again in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So twenty seventeen will celebrate Life Day. We'll put

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<v Speaker 1>on our red robes, our ultra long straight ironed wigs. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll celebrate Life Day the way it was meant to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And if you have no idea what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about Life Day, which is a celebration

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<v Speaker 2>that Wookies in the Star Wars universe have every three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like their Christmas. Yeah, they celebronic the Kwanta tent.

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<v Speaker 2>Supposedly, it's sort of like Earth Day too. They celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>the diversity of their ecosystem and also remembrance of the dead,

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<v Speaker 2>and they also give the gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like the Finns basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a very interesting part of the Star Wars cannon.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, and it's almost entirely made up, dashed off

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<v Speaker 1>you could possibly say, by George Lucas in the seventies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the basis of what has become derided as

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the worst things that ever happened to

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<v Speaker 1>the Star Wars galaxy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not only that, one of the worst things ever

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<v Speaker 2>aired on television.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with this galaxy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at first that sounds like hyperbole, like, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because it was Star Wars and we had high expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's really that bad. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The people who say that haven't seen even a second

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, However, I watched it when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Then again this week. Yeah, and you.

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<v Speaker 3>Watched it twice this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I watched it last night and this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>There's something about it. It's mesmerizing, it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things that you start watching it

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to turn it off, but you want

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<v Speaker 2>to see just how absurd it can get.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost Yeah, and it starts absurd, it stays absurd in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle. Yeah, it's increasingly more absurd, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>less absurd, finishes super absurd.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a train wreck in every single sense of

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<v Speaker 2>the word, top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>It's extraordinarily difficult to overstate how bad this is. And

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<v Speaker 1>some people, you know, in researching this, you read about it,

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<v Speaker 1>you read descriptions of these things, and it just can't

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<v Speaker 1>possibly be gotten across until you see it.

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<v Speaker 3>So luckily, as we will see, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can go onto YouTube and watch it, and you may

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<v Speaker 1>even enjoy this episode more if you pause, go spend

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<v Speaker 1>two hours watching this thing, and then come back and

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<v Speaker 1>laugh along with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a great Over the years, there have been

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<v Speaker 2>many segments of it on YouTube from badly dubbed VHS tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>There is one really pretty good version of it in full,

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<v Speaker 2>brought to you by w HIO Dayton, Ohio channel seven

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<v Speaker 2>oo Ohio. Because that flashes up on the screen periodically.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it is high quality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it looks good.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to basically be the copy that the actual

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<v Speaker 1>affiliate broadcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That quality compared to the other stuff floating around on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly recorded on a nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 3>PCR, Yeah, which were really expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Very expensive. I did some calculating on West Egg. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the average VCR went for about one thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>There were brand new.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing one thousand dollars in nineteen seventy eight money,

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<v Speaker 1>So they were about thirty eight hundred dollars in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen money.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily there were some rich people out there recording this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and the wealthy have saved us all again, yes, yet again,

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<v Speaker 1>as they always do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. And we need to shout out some articles that

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<v Speaker 3>we use for this.

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<v Speaker 2>There's great a great article in Vanity Fair called the

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<v Speaker 2>Han Soul Comedy Our exclamation Point by Frank de Jacomo.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the Star Wars Holiday Special was the

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<v Speaker 2>worst thing on television ever by So when we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of know Alex Pasternak.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from Motherboard, Yeah, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not wired. It's vice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we wrote a little bit for Motherboard back then,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had a call with that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, we're like old motherboard vets.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, basically, wasn't there one more? There was another one?

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know who wrote this one, chuck, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the titles the Star Wars Holiday Special. George Lucas

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<v Speaker 1>wants to smash every copy of with a sledgehammer.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was a famous quote supposedly at a convention by Lucas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, which is not correct.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't ever say that. No, Okay, that sounded like

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<v Speaker 2>something that people made up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but if you go on the internet, you will

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<v Speaker 1>quickly believe that he did. Sure apparently didn't. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure he felt that way though, clearly, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>he did appear on Robot Chicken and I think two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five on the Therapist Couch talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>much he hated the Space Show. All right, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>set the background, shall we Shall we go back to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, summer getting the old wayback machine.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right here we are, there's watersn Yeah, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>the little six year old excited about Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>I am I've just turned one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you don't know what's up yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I please forgive me if I urinate myself, no problem, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So what has happened is Star Wars has become a huge,

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<v Speaker 2>huge hit, seemingly.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, establishing George Lucas as one of the brilliant young

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<v Speaker 2>minds in filmmaking, even though what in his first movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It was his first, huge, huge breakout hit. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, I don't even talk about a breakout hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Like no one had ever seen anything like it before.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and one had come out in the late sixties. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't kill still is inaccessible to all audis.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's kind of a cerebral film. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not an adventure movie. This war.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like basically swashbuckling on the screen. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a galaxy far far away, Star Wars just changed

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<v Speaker 1>everything and it came on just like a hammer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a new hope by the way, Yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>then then we're gonna get stuff wrong, nerds, So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>just go ahead and get your little fingers ready to email.

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<v Speaker 1>Us like if it wasn't driven home that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a nerd by the fact that I don't have opening

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<v Speaker 1>night tickets or any tickets yet, give me a break,

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<v Speaker 1>and by proxy Chuck too, Okay, thank you. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to state how great Star Wars was in

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Murray came out with that lounge singer Star Wars thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was everywhere and if you if you just listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the lyrics of it, it's really it's just Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Murray singing about how much Star Wars is awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So by the following year, George Lucas was he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to figure out a way to keep audiences just

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<v Speaker 1>engaged with the whole Star Wars franchise that he was

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<v Speaker 1>just starting to build. But he knew the Empire Strikes

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<v Speaker 1>Back was a couple more years out, sure, so he

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was approached by some TV executives who said,

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<v Speaker 1>have you considered doing some sort of TV special? They're

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<v Speaker 1>all the rage right now. We have a graphic that's

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<v Speaker 1>really awesome that we set aside just for TV specials

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<v Speaker 1>here at CBS. Why don't you let us let's get

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<v Speaker 1>together and do a Star Wars Special.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Producers Gary Smith and Dwight Hemion. We're working over at CBS,

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<v Speaker 2>and they say, this is a great way to keep

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit alive while you're making your other movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe move some more toys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which George Lucas got a cut all the toys.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was right before Thanksgiving, and he'said there to

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot of people watching TV pre holiday season,

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<v Speaker 2>or I guess in the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the weekend before Thanksgiving, it's like everybody's shopping, sitting

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<v Speaker 1>around family like, waiting to actually do stuff. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>perfect time to broadcast something on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>So Lucas says, all right, let's do this. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a ton of time, but how about this. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get I'll get a story together, and then you can

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<v Speaker 2>go hire a whiz bang team of veteran writers and

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<v Speaker 2>producers and directors.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever genre you think is appropriate. And those are the

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<v Speaker 1>words that will haunt George Lucas to his grave.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So Lucas said, here's my idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I want it to be based on Wookies, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want it to take place on their home planet of

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<v Speaker 2>Kazuk or Wookie planet.

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<v Speaker 3>C is that what he's saying, Kazuk.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it's pronounced in the episode the Holiday Special,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also pronounced different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Other times I would have pronounced it cash e, spell

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<v Speaker 1>it ka s h y y y k, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. I guess that sounds like Chewbuck is planet sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Also called G five six twenty three Wookie planet c

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<v Speaker 2>or Edeon is a mid rim planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole reason apparently that George Lucas was interested

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<v Speaker 1>in featuring the Wookies was it is what we in

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<v Speaker 1>show business call low hanging fruit. The reason why it

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<v Speaker 1>was low hanging fruit was because they had just established

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<v Speaker 1>the different scenes that would make the cut for Empire

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<v Speaker 1>Strikes Back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you pronounce it again, Kazuk. Kazuk had not

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<v Speaker 1>made the cut. Even prior to this, apparently for a

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<v Speaker 1>new hope, George Lucas had whipped up a forty page

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<v Speaker 1>that's known as the Wookie Bible. It's like a forty

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<v Speaker 1>page supplement that's all about Kazuk and Wookies and Chewbacca

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<v Speaker 1>and his family and everything about wookiedum. Right, So he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got this thing already, you know, established I love Wookies.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't make the cut. I'm a little sad about that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna kazuk is not going to show up

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<v Speaker 1>in Empire Strikes Back. Let's build the entire special around wookies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically the one demand me George Lucas has.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be totally hands off from this point on which

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of was.

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<v Speaker 3>He totally was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually this experience that apparently taught him to

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<v Speaker 1>be the very hands on person that he is famous

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<v Speaker 1>for being. It came out of this Christmas special.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, he was burned and he had an iron grip

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<v Speaker 2>after that on everything. So here's some of the folks

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<v Speaker 2>behind it. Bruce Valanche, famous TV writer. You probably had

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<v Speaker 2>seen him on Hollywood Squares.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't he suspected of being Thomas Pynchon for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, or was Thomas Pinchon on Hollywood Squares?

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I may be confabulating some stuff confounding. Yeah, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>con of some sort going on.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Valanche was hired as a writer. A guy named

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny Rips was hired as a writer who.

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<v Speaker 1>Has some great quotes in that Vanity Fair article he does.

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<v Speaker 2>His first quote was, we were really excited because this

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<v Speaker 2>is Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 3>How could it lose?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Famous last words?

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<v Speaker 2>Who else was hired? There was a husband and wife team,

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<v Speaker 2>the Welches. Yeah, who are the parents of folk singer

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<v Speaker 2>Gillian Welch, who I'm a big fan of and had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that her parents. They were producers slash songwriters

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. They were big on the variety show scene,

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<v Speaker 2>which would turn out to be a really key cog

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<v Speaker 2>in this whole experience.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like, right about here, Jerry should insert

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<v Speaker 1>a needle coming off of a record sound effect. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks Jerry. So Chuck, you just said singer songwriters.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what would that have to do with Star Wars? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, in this Star Wars Holiday special, for those

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<v Speaker 1>of you who hadn't seen it, there are musical numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided from the outset that there should be musical numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason that they decided that there should be

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<v Speaker 1>musical numbers is because the people who sold George Lucas

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time it was the Star Wars Corporation

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<v Speaker 1>was what it was called. Yeah, on The idea of

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<v Speaker 1>doing this TV special was that everyone would love.

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<v Speaker 3>A variety show. Yeah, it was the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Great idea, let's do a variety show. The problem was this,

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently George Lucas didn't watch enough TV. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 1>also overly trusted people who talk to him. Sure, because

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<v Speaker 1>by nineteen seventy eight, yes, variety shows had dominated television

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<v Speaker 1>for over ten years, but it had come to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>It was getting stale.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're talking to Carol Burnett show, one of my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Had just been canceled after eleven seasons. Ye, Big Red Flag.

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<v Speaker 3>Sonny and Chaer had just had its last season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean what else, like he was still going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the KiHa still on Solid Gold had yet to

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<v Speaker 1>come on and take up the mantle.

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<v Speaker 3>That would never write a show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it was a little bit. There was talking in

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<v Speaker 1>between the songs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Remember the Mandrel Sisters show.

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<v Speaker 1>I never watched that one. Well it was with that

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<v Speaker 1>country chic thing that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a big deal in the it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of happening again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Oh, because of that dude, the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>won all the CMA Awards. I don't know, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>he's he came along and he's like, actually country. His

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<v Speaker 1>dad's like a coal miner for real from Kentucky. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you mean Chris so something. Yeah, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>is good. He's come along and been like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a revival in like good country music. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great, like in the tradition of Merle Haggard.

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<v Speaker 3>And share Cash.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess that's probably where the country she came from,

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<v Speaker 1>because there was actually good country going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Johnny Cash out a variety show?

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<v Speaker 1>Did he really? Oh yeah, I knew they did, like

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunday singing thing like out in Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had his own variety show. Was actually pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some like really great performances.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know how many nerds are like get back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Star Wars?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So the Variety Show is dying sort of,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they figure what a great time to take

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest movie property on the planet and wedget into

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<v Speaker 2>the variety show Millieu.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if wedge is the right word. I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe nestle it in there and then start hitting

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<v Speaker 1>it with the blunt edge of an axe until it

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<v Speaker 1>mashes into that crevice. You know, that's right, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is the time when Fantasy Island had just started, Mork

0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and Mindy was about to change things, Charlie's Angels was

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<v Speaker 1>getting huge. It basically television as we knew it from

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty to whenever the real world came along. Just

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<v Speaker 1>escape as television is what they called. It was starting

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the hip new thing. So basically, if

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<v Speaker 1>they had turned Han Solo and Princess Leah and Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Skywalker into maybe you know, sexy detectives, it might have

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<v Speaker 1>gone over even better.

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<v Speaker 3>But they went the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>They decided to latch onto this extraordinarily stale genre of television,

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<v Speaker 1>and they hired the best in the business. Like there

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<v Speaker 1>was a quote from I think Lenny Rips who was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>like we had literally a dream team variety show, dream team,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody was good, but there were probably no bad

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<v Speaker 1>welders on the Titanic, Heather.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great quote. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy they hired to direct it initially was a

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<v Speaker 2>dude named David at Coomba, and he had made his

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<v Speaker 2>name for Welcome to the Fillmore East. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>concert documentary with Van Morrison Van Morrison and the Birds

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy one, and he actually was at usc

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<v Speaker 2>Film School at the same time as Lucas, even though

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't know each other, and he only ended up

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<v Speaker 2>directing about three segments of the thing before he quit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet before he walked off, some say he was actually

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<v Speaker 2>let go, but we'll get to him in a minute

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<v Speaker 2>and who replaced him. Okay, as we get along down

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<v Speaker 2>this gross road.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's take a little break because I'm overly excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Josh, all right, so we've established most of the

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<v Speaker 2>main players.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll get to a few more.

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<v Speaker 2>We should point out that Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford

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<v Speaker 2>and Carrie Fischer, Peter Mayhew.

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<v Speaker 1>They had no grounds to refuse to be on this basically, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>They were not huge, huge stars, yet they could throw

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<v Speaker 2>their weight around and say this is terrible and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>They were big overnight because of Star Wars, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but they weren't to the adoring public.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at the studio they could still be bossed around,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was the result of it. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell also just from watching the actual special, like Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>Ford is not happy to be there. At any point.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, Princess Leiah is clearly on drugs. Was she

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs at this point? If you watch it, she's

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs. Especially the ending scene, Mark Hamibell.

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<v Speaker 3>Looks like he's happy to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually he was fine, but apparently he said no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not doing a musical number. Yeah, and if you watch

0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.760
<v Speaker 1>his part, wedging a musical number in there would have

0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:20.040
<v Speaker 1>been even more painful. Sure, but everybody who was part

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<v Speaker 1>of the actual Star Wars franchise that wasn't wearing like

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<v Speaker 1>a full body costume, yeah, was like, I really wish

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't here. And you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, in the opening credit sequence, they're showing the picture,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the faces of the people, and you see

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<v Speaker 2>Harrison Ford as if he's flying the Millennium Falcon, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can you can just hear the guy all screen

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<v Speaker 2>going now look at the camera and just give a nod.

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<v Speaker 3>Just look at the camera and give a nod.

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<v Speaker 2>And he finally you can tell he's pissed off, and

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<v Speaker 2>he looks up at the camera and just sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Smirks yeah and points at the camera like okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the camera, and then goes back to what

0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.920
<v Speaker 1>he's doing. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt bad for him so early on Valanche and others.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you feel bad for him? Though? Really? I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, it's Harrison for it's Hans Solo. He has

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<v Speaker 1>to go do this for like five days.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I felt terrible for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's hilarious that they had to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>especially now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, early on a Valanche and others knew that they

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<v Speaker 2>may be in trouble because they decided not to subtitle

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<v Speaker 2>any of the Wookie dialogue right, and they literally started

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<v Speaker 2>after a brief opening scene setting it up here. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the basic plot is, Han Solo is trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>Chewbacca back to Kazuk.

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<v Speaker 3>In time for Life Day so he can celebrate with

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<v Speaker 3>his family.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the basis of the entire two hours I see, basis.

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<v Speaker 3>The entire two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>They encounter a space battle and they're delayed, and the

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<v Speaker 2>next two hours are kind of what's going on while

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<v Speaker 2>the delay is happening back on.

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<v Speaker 3>Kazuok, back on Kazuk because you hear like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, Han Solo and Chewbacca evading the Imperial Guard

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<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff. For two hours.

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<v Speaker 3>I would watch that, sure, I would too. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not what they show.

0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Killing time at the Wookie household, that is what they show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's people hanging out waiting for Chewbacca, worrying about him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then killing time while they wait for him to

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<v Speaker 1>come back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, literally, so and so hold on.

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<v Speaker 2>So you say there's a setup, right, Yeah, that's the

0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 2>initial setup.

0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.399
<v Speaker 3>And then chuck. That's followed by this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's followed by literally ten minutes, ten solid minutes

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<v Speaker 2>of incomprehensible Wookie speak.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's join it for a second, shall we. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's all enjoy it. And again, you said ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're not exaggerating, you're not being hyperbolic. You can

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<v Speaker 1>time it. That's it's ten minutes of wookie's talking to

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<v Speaker 1>each other with no subtitles.

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<v Speaker 2>Fortunately, I couldn't follow it at first, like I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even know who it was. I thought it might have

0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.359
<v Speaker 2>been Chewbacca's mom and dad. Oh yeah, that's and little brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't find out until later when Mark Camill

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<v Speaker 2>shows up via skype call and says, he really explains

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.960
<v Speaker 2>everything that had just happened, Like your Chewbacca's father Itchy,

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<v Speaker 2>your Chewbacca's son Lumpy Lumpy yeah, and your Chewbacca's wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>So, before everybody starts like freaking out, we know that

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually their nicknames. Their real names are. His father

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<v Speaker 1>is at Tichik cook, a Tichik cook.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really hard to pronounce.

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<v Speaker 1>Mulatto Buck is his wife, and his son is Lumpo

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<v Speaker 1>or ump.

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<v Speaker 3>But as named by Lucas. But yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas also named him Lumpy Itchy and Mala.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're all back there wringing their hands, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out ways to pass the time until they get

0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 1>word from Chewbacca that he's made it to uh what

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 1>is it? Ketchukzuk, Kazuk, ketchup, ketchup or cats up if

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:48.280
<v Speaker 1>you're fancy. But Chewbacca is having trouble getting back to

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:54.639
<v Speaker 1>Kochuk because there's Kazuk, because there's a blockade by the

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Empire and they're looking for rebels, specifically Chewbacca. Who I

0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't realize this. He's the most famous Wookie of all.

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that? Yeah? Of course I didn't know that.

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, he's only one that really appears in

0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the movies, all right, I mean.

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're seeing like, you know, these people's view of

0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 1>your universe. What about back on Becauzook.

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he might have just been a fly by night wookie, right, yeah,

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 2>but not the case very famous wookie.

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he really loved to like soak in his fame.

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.400
<v Speaker 3>All right, So he realizes there's a problem. Valanche.

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 2>He goes to Lucas and is like, I don't know, man,

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 2>this is your world, but it may not be the

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.680
<v Speaker 2>strongest thing to do to set this in wookie Land

0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>and have all this incomprehensible dialogue. And he says he

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 2>was met with a glacial stare.

0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, he put it a little differently than that.

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, he said glacial stare. He did.

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.360
<v Speaker 1>The glacial stare that he got was for this quote.

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 1>He said, these people just talk and what sounds like

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.400
<v Speaker 1>fat people having an orgasm. Yeah, he goes, if you want,

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you can set up a tape recorder in my bedroom

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'll do all of the follying it for it.

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:01.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He's a large guy, he is.

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 1>So that's what got the glacial stare. But Valanche later

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.959
<v Speaker 1>said that from this there was one development meeting that

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Lucas attended and it was here's the Wookie Bible, tell

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>me what you got, And Valanche said, he and the

0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:19.040
<v Speaker 1>other writers and producers and director were just kind of

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 1>throwing ideas, and George Lucas would either say like, no,

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.920
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't work, give him a glacial stare, or say, yes,

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly it. Yes, let's make this a variety show.

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And there was a little bit of background there.

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>The Canteena players in the band had appeared on other

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.440
<v Speaker 2>variety shows at that point, and I think it went

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 2>over fairly well, just as a short segment on like

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the Richard Pryor Variety Show or Donnie Marie ye Man.

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:49.960
<v Speaker 3>There were a lot of variety shows.

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's what I'm saying. It was that was television.

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what you did, Like the Bradys. The show had

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 1>its course and then it became a variety It was

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 1>just everybody loved variety shows.

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 1>By this time, though, everybody was sick of variety shows, right,

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>and so it really was a terrible choice.

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>In fact, they even hired a couple of writers from

0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Shields and Yarnell, which I hadn't heard of. Oh yeah,

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I watched it it was at least creepy, this mind

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>couple who had their own variety show, and they figured

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 2>these two will be great because they are used to

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.360
<v Speaker 2>working without words.

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, and so there is a certain logic to the

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>variety show. It's not just all over the place. It's

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>just that variety shows were popular. Yeah, at the time,

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>somebody was like, well, wookies, you don't understand what they're saying.

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>So this is all going to be very physical. So

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 1>these people who who did what is it Shields and

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>yard Nell. Yeah, that's a perfect choice. That makes complete sense.

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>You can see this whole this whole process of leading

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 1>up to the point where it was produced and shot

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and everything. Yeah, a series of like, oh we have

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>this problem, well here's a fix.

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that leads soon problem. Well we'll fix it

0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:01.400
<v Speaker 3>with this.

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>And no one's stepping back and being like, all we've

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>done is create a series of problems that are going

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>to come together and make one extraordinarily large problem that

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>will become legendary. No one did that, and so the

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>whole thing was was made.

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 3>That's right, and it eventually airs.

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>On November seventeenth, nineteen seventy eight, a Friday, at eight

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 1>pm Eastern time.

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 2>That's right, And according to Nielsen ratings, it attracted thirteen

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 2>million viewers lost the second hour.

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Just in the US. It aired in six or seven

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>countries total.

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but no one cares about that, I.

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.479
<v Speaker 1>Guess not because none of those are on the internet.

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>You know. It finished second to the Love Boat in

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 2>the second Ar'm sorry from eight to nine, and in

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>the next hour actually finished behind part two of a

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 2>mini series about Pearl Harbor starring Angie Dickinson. So yeah,

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 2>it didn't even win their respective hours.

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>No, thirteen million, that's that's not bad. The thing is,

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>apparently if you look at the Neils and ratings graph

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>for the first hour.

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah we know about that graph. It's okay, yeah we do.

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>And then after a very important part, which we'll talk

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>about soon, it just drops off at the end of

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the first hour, and that actually probably made the executives

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>at CBS cringe for a number of reasons. Number one

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>is this special was originally supposed to just be an hour,

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.439
<v Speaker 1>but so many advertisers wanted to sign on, yeah, that

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>they extended it to two hours. And it shines through

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>you can totally tell that this thing was never supposed

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to be I think an hour might have been stretching

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>it to tell you the truth. Oh yeah, it's thirty

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>minutes of content. Forty if you're generous, an hour and

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>then two hours. It becomes one of the worst things

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>that was ever put on television.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let's take a break and then we'll

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit more about the actual even don't

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>want to call it content, but it is content in

0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the strictest definition.

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Sure, right after this softy jawsh.

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.959
<v Speaker 1>Sh soft.

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 2>All right, so the show itself, we've given you the

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 2>main plot line, which again is that Chewy is trying

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 2>to get back to his home planet to celebrate life

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Day with his family.

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's it, and again we almost barely see Chewy. Yeah,

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the rest is his family on because book waiting for

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 1>him to come back for a life day.

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>So some of the various things they did there were

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 2>guest stars. There was Harvey Corman from the Carol Burnett Show. Okay,

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 2>one of my all time favorites.

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Him or Carol Burnett Show both.

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 3>He's great.

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he actually if you watch what he's doing, you're like,

0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>this is comedy genius for sure.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Apparently he too was like the only one on set

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>that was bringing levity. He was joking around and kind

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>of kept spirits up. Good for him, that's what I say.

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And he had three different parts.

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he played well I don't even know the names.

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Actually we could look him up, but he played a

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>he played a Julia child like cook. There's an actual

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>cooking segment, a long one, a very long cooking segment

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>where Chewbacca's wife makes banthas stew.

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>To kill some time, to kill some time on her

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>planet and in our living room.

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Harvey Corman is in drag is a four

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>armed Julia childlike TV.

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Chef right, and I think it's Gormanda. It's her name, Gormonda.

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 3>That makes total sense.

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he also plays There's this one weird bit where

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Chewbacca's son tries to figure out a way to trick

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>the stormtroopers that the Empire had come and kind of

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>because the blockade raided the house another proper, So he

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 2>tries to trick them by I think, rigging a calm

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>link to speak in a different voice. So he has

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.360
<v Speaker 2>to watch the instruction manual.

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>He watches an instruction video.

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Which was Harvey Kytel as a robot.

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it would have been wonderful of Big Harvey Kyel

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh what did say Harvey Harvey korm Man Harvey kait

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 1>tell murders someone in the middle of the instruction.

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 3>Rade Harvey Korman.

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>And then the final role he had was as a

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:34.959
<v Speaker 2>bar patron in the cantina that drinks. He has a

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>hole in the top of his head like a volcano

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>where he pours his drinks in.

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 3>That's how he drinks.

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>And he he loves b Arthur.

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Did we mention b Arthur was in it?

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>B Arthur is not only in it, Chuck. She sings

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a song.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 3>She does.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 2>She is the unpronounced to everyone. She manages or maybe owns.

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 3>The owner.

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the what's the mas What Ma's deaf? Cantina?

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 3>No, most deaf is a rapper? Oh yeah, than give

0:31:59.880 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 3>me moss Eisley.

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that cantina. She's the owner. Be Arthur is

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the owner be Arthur of the Golden Girls, but in

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>this case be Arthur of Maud, because, as one of

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the people who wrote one of the articles we based

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 1>this on points out, she's just basically playing Maud as

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>the owner of the cantina.

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and her song comes because they basically say there's

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 2>a lockdown, so you gotta call last call at your bar.

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 2>So she calls last call by singing a song to everyone.

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Right, and again, we can't possibly have the script lead

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.959
<v Speaker 1>anywhere else but Chewbacca's house while his family waits for it.

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>So all this takes place as part of a public

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>service announcement basically broadcast by the Empire about how immoral

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>life on Tattooin is. So let's go see what's going

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:52.480
<v Speaker 1>on in the mos Eisley Cantina as it's being shut

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>down for curfew.

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, this is incomprehensible, but it goes on.

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 3>So they're in. There's also Art Carney. Yes, he's the honeymooner,

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 3>so probably the star of the whole thing.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Really, he has the most lines, I would say, the

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 1>most comprehensible line.

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Right. Yeah.

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>So he plays a trader, a human trader that is

0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 2>recently been with Han Solo and Chewy and actually gets

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 2>to Kazook and says they're on the way.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 3>It's all good. Yeah, a trade or not trade tour. Yeah,

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 3>traders and trades humans for you know, money.

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>No, he sells goods, yeah, a trader, he doesn't trade humans.

0:33:35.560 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's in the human trade.

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>He No, he isn't really. Yeah, he trades humans like

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>he sells humans.

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I looked it up in the Star Wars Encyclopedia said

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that he was in the human trade.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Huh. So in this Christmas special, Yeah, apparently they sanitized

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>his background because he's basically just selling like gadgets and

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>novelties and stuff like that to the Wookies and the

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Empire who were keep hying the area.

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he comes bearing gifts.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he's a friend of Chewback's family.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he comes Barren gifts. One of the gifts

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>he gives is a sort of like a little digital

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 2>insert to a Oh, I guess you would call it

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 2>a virtual reality hair dryer hair dryer, like a beauty

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>shop hair dryer. He gives it to Grandpa Itchy. Grandpa

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Itchy sits under this hair dryer, pops in this digital cassette,

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and it can only be described as softcore porn.

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Apparently, the writers who were interviewed for this said that

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>was totally the intent. They were trying to get what

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>amounted to soft core porn that would pass the sensors.

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>That's right, So it's all you can't even say it's innuendo.

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 1>It's too obvious an overt for innuendo. Instead, it's just

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just gross. It's really gross. Diane Carroll,

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:05.360
<v Speaker 1>yes she is a Vegas staple, shows up and starts

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>basically tantalizing Grandpa Itchy again. This is Chewbacca's elderly father

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 1>who now engages in some sort of well he's he's

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>watching virtual reality pornography now, and this is a pretty

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>lengthy segment in and of itself.

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and she literally says to him, like, now

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I can see you're really excited.

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty rough to watch.

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so then you've got another musical.

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Number because also again he shudders, Yeah, it's really strange.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 3>All right.

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 2>So there's also a I know, it seems like we're

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 2>jumping around, but it's it's so mind blowing.

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Not like this is pretty much like blow for blow.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Actually I forgot earlier on in the In the special,

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>there's one of my favorite sequences is when Grandpa Itchy

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 2>goes over to Lumpy and basically sets up remember the

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the hologram chess Boar that they played in A New Hope. Yeah,

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 2>basically kind of sets that up and says, here, just

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>play this. He pushes the button, which is clearly a

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies cassette recorder, and another like it's like a

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 2>circ desole acid trip gymnast routine happens in front of

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 2>the kid's eyes. And again this all just it's not

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 2>like it shows a snippet. They show the entire segments,

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 2>like five, six, ten minutes long. Sure of all of

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>these things.

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>So you would think, Okay, they've gone to this hologram

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>well a couple of times, why not go to it again?

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 3>Well they do.

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>They do to kill more time while the Imperial Guard

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>is ransacking their house. Art Carney apparently, I guess it's

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to get one of the Imperial Guard, the leader,

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:51.439
<v Speaker 1>I think, or one of the leaders.

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 3>Who looks like somebody from space Balls, by the way,

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 3>very much so.

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>And the writer of the Vanity Fair article, by the way,

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>said this is so incomp rahensible. The specialist George Lucas

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 1>didn't even have the schwartz with him at the time.

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, our Carney's distracting this Imperial leader while they're

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>ransacking the Wookies house Chewbacca's house with a hologram in

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>this hologram instead of being an acrobat or Diane Carroll

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>or any kind of porn or anything like that, is

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Jefferson Starship and they decide that they're going to play

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Light the Sky on Fire, which apparently is about UFOs.

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a little music video basically, it's a Yeah, it's

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the predecessor to like video kill the radio story you

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>can tell. And again it is the whole lengthy song. Yeah,

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. So every time that somebody's like, we

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>need to escape mentally from what's going on here in

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:54.239
<v Speaker 1>our house, let's go into the video world, it's not

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>just and they don't cut back and forth. It's okay,

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>here's five minutes of Jefferson Starship performing this song.

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even the Jefferson Starship guys were like, yeah,

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.919
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of a weird trip, like we didn't get it.

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 3>But we did it right.

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>They gave us some money, yeah, and some cocaine. Well,

0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:18.439
<v Speaker 1>so we said, yeah, chuck. I think though, there yet

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>another segment like this is actually widely regarded as the

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>high point of the whole thing. Oh sure, so there

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 1>is a cartoon actually.

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that Lump Blumpy watches.

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Lumpy's like the Imperial Guard is still ransacking my house.

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I'll entertain myself by watching a cartoon on

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 1>my little.

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what.

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I guess it was an iPad and he watches this

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>cartoon and it's it's actually remarkable for a number of reasons.

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>It's the best part of the whole special.

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, generally agreed upon as such, right, not just us.

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>And it introduces Boba Fett. It's the first time Boba

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Fet ever makes an appearance in the Star Wars universe.

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's actually not a bad And you can't find

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 2>it in the the one version I told you to watch.

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 2>They removed it for copyright, but they didn't watch a

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 2>separate version.

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Right, you can find it on its own.

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's it's very much reminiscent of like the

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 2>cartoon style of the day, like a he Man or

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 2>something for.

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Sure, even even but it's even a little more artsy

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>than that.

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But it does have a plot that you can

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>follow that makes sense as a Star Wars thing, and

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 2>it introduces Boba fet like you said, and it's actually

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:26.479
<v Speaker 2>not bad.

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like Luke and R two and C three po.

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Then they're like they crash on a planet or something.

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Han and U where you're in it. And

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it's the first time we see in Darth Vader. It's

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 2>first time we see Boba Fett and that he is

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 2>that he is just doing whatever he can do for money,

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Like Luke trusts him at first. See three Bo's like,

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>you're sure you should trust him this quick? Yeah, And

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.800
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, three po, you in your non trusting ways.

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>And then it turns out he's selling them out to

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the dark side.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's basically Boba Fett is an allegory for

0:39:55.800 --> 0:40:01.399
<v Speaker 1>George Lucas himself. So the the cartoon comes and goes,

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>and that was the thing that came at about the

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>end of the first hour mark and after that everybody

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.760
<v Speaker 1>just turned off their television sets.

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:11.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't remember.

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Did you watch this when it came on?

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I remember watching it, but I don't remember much about it,

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.359
<v Speaker 2>like if I made it through it all. I mean

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:20.399
<v Speaker 2>it was I was seven and it was on till ten,

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:22.800
<v Speaker 2>so I probably didn't make it through it all. Yeah,

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 2>Plus you're probably disturbed. Who knows, I just remember that.

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to ask my brother. He might have a memory.

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Of this, Oh Betty does. I'm sure he met everybody

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>afterward or something like that. You know, it has a picture.

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was ten at that point, so cynicism had,

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, become a thing in his.

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Life probably all right by then?

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.200
<v Speaker 3>Sure didn't that when centism kicks in too mea.

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Jenkinsie Scott holding out to fourteen fifteen.

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe so so Chuck.

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 1>The whole thing finally does in. And actually there's a guy.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 1>His name is Nathan Raven, he writes over at the

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>av Club. He had a great quote. He basically said

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that one of the great redeeming values of this this

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 1>special is that it does eventually end.

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what the first part of the quote is,

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not convinced the special wasn't ultimately written and directed

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 2>by a sentient bag of cocaine.

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:12.359
<v Speaker 1>And like, go read his review of the Star Wars

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Holiday Special, because he goes on to describe exactly what

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>that must have been, like the development meeting where the

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>bag of cocaine is pacing back and forth talking about

0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>what should happen.

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 3>That's what it feels like. But it doesn't, and it ends.

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Even more. It takes this bizarre two hours and wraps

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:31.879
<v Speaker 1>it up in just a nice bizarre bow.

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 2>So what happens is eventually Han Solo should we say

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>spoiler alert, Eventually Han Solo and Chewy make it to

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the planet. They park on the far side of the

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:46.359
<v Speaker 2>planet because they know the Imperial forces.

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Are there and the exercise will do Chewy good.

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they have to hike over there. They eventually

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.919
<v Speaker 2>make it back home. They find a storm the Stormtroopers

0:41:54.000 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 2>at their house, their tree hut. Yeah, which way the

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>paintings that set this up, I don't think we mentioned

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't even call him Matte paintings. It looks like

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>someone painted something on the wall and they just like

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>put a camera in front.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Of it pretty much.

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:09.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:14.839
<v Speaker 2>So they get back and Chewbacca Han Solo hides around

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 2>the corner. Chewbacca steps in front of his son to

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:22.359
<v Speaker 2>protect him. Sure, Han Solo jumps out, and the stormtrooper

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 2>trips over a pile of logs and falls over.

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.280
<v Speaker 1>The balcony and dies in a holiday special.

0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 2>So they wouldn't even not only could he not shoot

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 2>first with Gredo, but they couldn't even have him like

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>wrestle the stormtrooper and throw him off.

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 3>He trips over a log, right, and Han Solo has

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 3>his hands thrown up like, wasn't me It might all

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:44.800
<v Speaker 3>have been a banana peel, you know.

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>But again, this is basically produced by vaudevillians starring vaudevillians.

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Why not have the one death take place from basically

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.280
<v Speaker 1>what amounts to somebody slipping on a banana peel exactly.

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a perfect way to end it. So that's that

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 1>guy basically represents the end of the Imperial threat for

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:09.919
<v Speaker 1>the rest of Life Day. And we then see Life

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Day being celebrated, which is celebrated by lots of wookies

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 1>assembling in what looks like a giant Olin Mills portrait,

0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and all of them are wearing red robes. And I

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>know I'm up talking, and it's because my mind is

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:32.120
<v Speaker 1>still having trouble like wrapping around us. And then Princess

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Leah comes out with C three po is Mark Hamill.

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.280
<v Speaker 3>There the whole gang zerophone, okay, the whole.

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Gang, And then they all gather around to hear a

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>great quote from Princess Leah which we will read verbatim.

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>This holiday is yours, but we all share with you

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 2>the hope that this day brings us closer to freedom

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:56.240
<v Speaker 2>and to harmony and to peace. No matter how different

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>we appear, we're all the same in our struggle against

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the powers of evil and darkness. I hope that this

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>day will always be a day of joy in which

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 2>we can reconfirm our dedication and our courage, and more

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>than anything else, our love for one another. This is

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the promise of the Tree of Life Q song.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Right, And we should also point out the tree of

0:44:16.239 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Life has never been mentioned up to this point.

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I had no idea with this. It takes a sudden

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 3>appearance at the end.

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And when you said Q song, by Q song, you

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>mean Princess Leiah starts singing.

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 2>And apparently that was one of the big contingencies on

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Carrie Fisher being involved. Yeah, she's going through a phase

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:34.600
<v Speaker 2>where she's like kind of like singing.

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Valanche calls it her Joni Mitchell period.

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she somehow convinced them to let her sing

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 3>as Princess Leah and she does.

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>And again I've said that she looks like she's on drugs.

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>This is the point where she really does look like

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>she's on drugs.

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 3>And it's not just me.

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Other writers who've written reviews of this. It's really obvious

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that she possibly smoked a decent amount of pot before

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 1>she shot this shot this scene, but she sings, Okay,

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 1>it's fine. It's just the fact that Princess Leia is singing.

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>And actually, Bruce Falanche had a really great quote too.

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 1>He says that she very much wanted to show this

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>side of her talent, and there was general dismay because

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.960
<v Speaker 1>this was not what we wanted Princess Leia to be doing. Yeah,

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 1>she did it anyway. So the whole thing ends with

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.399
<v Speaker 1>her singing this song about life day oh yeah, which

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 1>is set loosely to the John Williams Star Wars theme.

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>So along the way, the director, original director quit, A

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 2>new director, Steve Binder, was hired to finish the job

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and bring it in, and he did over the original

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 2>one million dollar budget.

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 3>Of course, always he did bring it in.

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:52.040
<v Speaker 2>And at this point George Lucas said he was he

0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:53.440
<v Speaker 2>was working on Empire Strikes Back.

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 3>He didn't know what was going on. He wasn't around

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 3>for the shoot.

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.320
<v Speaker 1>No, it wasn't until it aired. I think that he

0:45:58.440 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>actually saw it.

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was a travesty obviously, if you haven't noticed

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 2>that by now.

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Critics hated it. Star Wars fans really hated it. Everybody,

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 3>the people who were in it hated it. Lucas hated it.

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Even Harvey Korman secretly hated it.

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, even Harvey Keitel hated it. Actually he loved it.

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 2>But Lucas has been asked over the years about it

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot, and he doesn't talk about it much. But

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and five, and I don't buy this

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 2>for a second, he says it was an interview He

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 2>said especial from nineteen seventy eight. I really didn't have

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.359
<v Speaker 2>much to do with us. You know that part is true.

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what network it was even on, but

0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>it was a thing that they did. That's a lie.

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.840
<v Speaker 2>There's no way he doesn't know that was CBS. We

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:44.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of just let them do it. I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>it was done by I can't even remember who the

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<v Speaker 2>group was, but there were variety TV guys.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:51.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure he remembers a few of them.

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<v Speaker 2>We let them use the characters and stuff, and that

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<v Speaker 2>probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, but you learn

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<v Speaker 2>from those experiences. I think they even use some of

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 2>the foot from the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end, it looks like some of the space

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<v Speaker 1>like a highlight reel, yeah the Gang.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and during the it looked like some of the

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 2>they had some insert shots of like Imperial cruisers and

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:15.360
<v Speaker 2>tie fighters and stuff that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like from remember when Chewbacca like leans back and

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 1>puts his hands behind it. Yeah, yeah, that's in there.

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like a just a highlight reel from the movie.

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Saying like I feel like this, go see the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and also that means it doesn't match the look

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 3>of the rest of it at all. Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just sort of inserted. They tried, They definitely tried.

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And George Lucas is totally full of it, because in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty seven he told star Log magazine that the

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Special would be out on video cassette very soon. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And in two thousand and seven, two years after that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>you just read where he's like, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't even know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, he apparently considered releasing the Christmas Special as a

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<v Speaker 1>bonus on the DVDs of the first three.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it did not, didn't, And apparently Carrie Fisher told

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Lucas that, if you want me to do DVD extras commentary, Yeah, commentary.

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Then I want a clean original copy of the Holiday Special.

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so why go ahead so I can play at

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 2>parties when I want people to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty great.

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 1>It is so and there is one of those clean

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 1>copies is floating around out there, so you can watch

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this in it in its entirety. Some of it, like

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 1>the cartoon, was removed due to copyright infringement and that

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, but as as the case with the

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 1>rest of the Internet, you can just go find it

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>elsewhere and piece it together. There's also the original ads

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>that aired in Baltimore. Yeah, that are just fascinating.

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Those are always fun gm ads where one of the

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>guys who's in quality control is.

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 3>He says, did you watch it? I don't think I

0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 3>saw that one. He goes, we really care about these

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 3>cars and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's no jibe man on a gm ad and he's like,

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it's serious to be hip. Yeah, it's pretty good stuff.

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Here's my final thought on it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It does not taint my Star Wars experience or my

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.359
<v Speaker 2>love for the franchise, and I'm glad it is out

0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 2>there because it's a fun little stain that shouldn't be

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 2>taken too seriously. I think it adds to it actually,

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.320
<v Speaker 2>because it's campy and awful, and I don't know somehow

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that enriches the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with you. You like it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean I watched it twice. I wouldn't

0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>watched it a second I wouldn't have made it through

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the first time. Let me take that back, as I'm

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a pro. Yeah, so I would have made it through

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the first time. I wouldn't have watched it a second

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 1>time if I wasn't. There wasn't something about it, and

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I figured out. I think the thing that I like

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the most about it is Lumpy, Chewbacca's son Yeah, played

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<v Speaker 1>by an actress named Patty Maloney, who frankly is hands

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>down the best actor in the entire thing. She like

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.720
<v Speaker 1>her response is and everything's just awesome.

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 3>I think my favorite parts are, well, there's a great

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 3>Wilhelm scream.

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the trooper trips over the laws, Jerry would not

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:09.400
<v Speaker 1>have noticed it.

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.920
<v Speaker 2>And then there's a part where all the Wookie dialogue

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.279
<v Speaker 2>you can't understand, but there's clearly one part where where

0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Itchy and Lumpy are having exchange where Lumpy you can

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<v Speaker 2>make it out goes.

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 3>I love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's covered up.

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 2>But someone was like, we have to have at least

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>one exchange where you sort of know what they're saying.

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Sure, or they were like, I think she has said

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I love you. Should we have them redo it? And

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the director's like, no, I want to go and Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one other thing that I figured out from watching this.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that it's not readily apparent the whole thing is

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:47.040
<v Speaker 1>made all the more odd, and that there's situation after

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:51.800
<v Speaker 1>situation after situation where we, as normal audiences, were trained

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.799
<v Speaker 1>to expect the laugh track, but there's not a laugh track,

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 1>and there's been a laugh track. It might have been

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>less bizarre. Yeah, but the fact that it's missing just

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 1>makes your agitates the mind. So it's this whole additional element.

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 3>That it is weird.

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I never thought about it, that there's just weird moments

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 2>of silence all throughout it.

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like when Art Carney's doing his thing.

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:14.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm telling jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I agree with you, Chuck. Don't take things

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<v Speaker 1>too seriously. I think that's the great lesson in this.

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then the lesson of life day it is

0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.479
<v Speaker 2>and in two thousand and seven Riff Tracks a great

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.840
<v Speaker 2>mystery science Theater. Three thousand guys Mike Nelson, Bill Corbett,

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:34.359
<v Speaker 2>and Kevin Murphy provided audio commentary for the full version

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 2>of the special. So try and go grab that if

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:38.839
<v Speaker 2>you can as well. Oh you can, it's on their

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 2>site because it's great. I think it's like eight bucks and.

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Those guys are awesome.

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, at least I think Corbett listens to us. So, hey, Corbett,

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<v Speaker 1>you got anything else? No, No, I think we did this.

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 1>There's some good stuff. Go read the Vanity Fair article

0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 1>han Solo Comedy Hour. There's a book called House Star

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Wars Conquered the Universe that has a very interesting chapter

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>about this.

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:03.960
<v Speaker 3>That's where we found it.

0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Asserted that George Lucas never said that he would smash

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.839
<v Speaker 1>this thing with a sledgehammer, right, And there's also an

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 1>entire website dedicated to it. Star Wars Holiday Special dot com. Yeah,

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and if you want to know more about the Star

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Wars Holiday Special, we have a ton of hard Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff on how stuff works by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have cool, sort of fun articles about the

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<v Speaker 2>Death Star and Lightsabers.

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<v Speaker 1>Videos with Holly Fry from Stuff You missed in history class.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who she knows her stuff. She does.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can just type Star Wars in the search

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<v Speaker 1>bar at HowStuffWorks dot com and it will bring up

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<v Speaker 1>some cool stuff for you. Since I said search bar,

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey guys, just finished listening to the Voyage Manuscript podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Found it's super interesting, especially the theories on its definition

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<v Speaker 2>or origin. No Josh mentioned Chuck siy but being drug

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<v Speaker 2>induced is somewhat surprising or even unlikely given the language

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<v Speaker 2>and the manuscript follows linguistic laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Only founded in the past one hundred years. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you think about it, it's a tough.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough to stray away from familiar structures, especially for

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<v Speaker 2>something like language. I think back to when I was

0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 2>younger and friends invented their own languages, or even in

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<v Speaker 2>writing a song or poetry. Creativity can sometimes be limited

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<v Speaker 2>by what we know.

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<v Speaker 3>So just thought i'd contribute that to the conversation.

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