1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: You can call your drug dealer, you can call your 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: dope dealer and get back in the game, or you 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: can call corn Bread Hustle. It's up to you. But 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: you will know about Cornbread Hustle before you get out 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: of prison. And if we don't have a job for you, 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: we know how to help you find a job. We 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: can help you. 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, a father, an entrepreneur, 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: and I'm a football coach in inner City Memphis. And 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: the last part unintentionally led to an oscar for the 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: film about our team. It's called Undefeated. I believe our 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: country's problems will never be solved by a bunch of 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: fancy people and nice suits talking big words that nobody 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: understands on seeing in a box, but rather by an 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: army of normal folks, US, just you and me saying hey, 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: I can help. That's what Sherry Garcia, the voice we 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: just heard is done. Sherry is the founder of Cornbread Hustle, 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: a second chance staffing agency that has helped over one 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: thousand returning citizens get jobs just last year, and it's 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: a for profit company. Sherry's incredible work is inspired by 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: an incredible amount of pain and redemption that she's experienced. 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: I cannot wait for you to meet her right after 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: these brief messages from our general sponsors. Sherry Garcia lives 25 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: in Dallas, Texas, and she flew to us in Memphis 26 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: in January around some ice storms we had and a 27 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: week after Tyree Nichols was brutally murdered by four Memphis 28 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: police officers. 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Garcia, what's up, Hey, how's it going. 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: It's going good. I'm so glad that you made it. Yeah, 31 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: I had a little plain trouble. 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: M h. All that ice. We're scared, No, of course, 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: I'm not scared. You know what I am scared of, though, 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: being stuck out here and not getting back home. 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: That's a good place to be stuck. That's a good place. 36 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we can talk about some some current events. 38 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: We're not supposed to timestamp this, but I'm sure you, 39 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: like everybody else in the country, saw the beating by 40 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: the five Memphis policemen of an innocent man. How'dout strike you? 41 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I mean, just like any other any other videos that 42 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: we see of the same thing. Happening over and over 43 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: and over again in our country. It's painful, it's horrible, 44 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: but you're right, your city really handled it well. I 45 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: thought whenever I saw the date that I was coming in, 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to be 47 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: flying into a war zone. 48 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: Nope, no war zone. You know why, I believe it's 49 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: because instead of him hauling around, the city fired the 50 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: officers and then within a week press charges on all 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: of them. They didn't hide behind anything, and they did 52 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: the right thing, and maybe that's an imprint for social 53 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: justice without social destruction. 54 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the swift action is definitely because if 55 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: there was no swift action, then we might see something different. 56 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if you watch the video, there's really 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: not much to question exactly. Well, at any rate, the 58 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: city didn't burn because we have some disenfranchised people who 59 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: said the city's trying to do right in a god 60 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: awful situation, and they certainly protested, which is their right, 61 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: but they didn't burn our city down, and for that 62 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: I'm really thankful, and frankly I'm proud of my town 63 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: me too. So if you get stuck here day, it's 64 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: nothing of the world. 65 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: Okay, maybe maybe I can just enjoy myself for an 66 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: extra day here. 67 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: That's it. If you have to, if I have to, 68 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: that's right. So we're going to talk about corn Bread 69 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: Hustle in a little bit, which is a great name. 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: By the way, my nickname in high school is Cornbread. 71 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: Tell me why. 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: Because I played football and during two a days, two 73 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: days as you practice and then you take off for 74 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: about an hour and a half lunch, and then you 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: have your second practice to practice in a day, two 76 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: a days, and everybody bring their lunch, and Mama always 77 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: cook southern, so it was always country fried steak or 78 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: fried chicken or soul food or whatever with green beans 79 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: or greens, and there's always she always cooked skillet corn 80 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: bread and we never ate it all. So she would 81 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: always wrap up the corn bread in a loomin fluol, 82 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: usually half a pie, and I would take and that's 83 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: what I would I would eat corn bread and buttermilk 84 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: for launch it two a days. And candidly, the black 85 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: guys on the team thought that was hilarious because everyone 86 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: saw a white guy like that, and they nicknamed me Cornbread. 87 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: So do you know how I came up with my 88 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: company name? 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: No? 90 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Almost a similar story. Everyone thought it was hilarious because 91 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: when I'd come in and visit in the prisons to volunteer, 92 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I would eat like I wasn't gonna eat again. They'd 93 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: be like, dang, Sherry, what's going. 94 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: On in prison? Like that? Yes, so you like prison food? 95 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: Okay. So everyone always was like, how do you like 96 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: prison food? It's because in the world, I'm always on 97 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: a low carb diet. I was always dieting, but it 98 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: was one of those things, well, I'm in prison, So 99 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: I'd just load up on carbs while I was in 100 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: prison because it was the easiest justification for me. So 101 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: that's why they were So have you ever seen the 102 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: movie Life? 103 00:05:59,160 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 104 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: Sure, remember the scene where they got in a riot 105 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: over some corn bread. 106 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 107 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: So they would always always always say to me, hey, Sherry, 108 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna eat your corn bread? Like they'd continuously make 109 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: fun of me for how fast I was eating and 110 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: always wanting seconds, and so whenever I decided to start 111 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: the company, I was like, okay, cornbread dot com not available, 112 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: and I was thinking of all kinds of different combinations. 113 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: I was like cornbread inspiration, that's lame. Like I was like, no, okay, 114 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: corn bread and then hustle Hustle came to mind. I 115 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: was like, Cornbread Hustle, I'm going for it. Domain available, 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm buying it. 117 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: It's perfect. It's a prison name. Well I was never 118 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: in prison, but my nickname was Cornbread. In fact, there 119 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: are I'm fifty four years old and there are people 120 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: that I will see out around town that I played 121 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: with and against when I was a freshman sophomore and 122 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: they do not know my name. They still call me 123 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: corn Bread. So it's a thing. 124 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: And you know, there was a lot of business mentors 125 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: that said to me, Sherry, you were going to be 126 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: selling to HR professionals. Are you sure that you want 127 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: a name like Cornbread Hustle. 128 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: They were missing the point. You're gonna remember Cornbread Hustle. 129 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Not only are they going to remember it, but my 130 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: population were the people that I'm serving. So I was like, look, 131 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: it'd be great if the HR people come along and 132 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: give me money, which I needed. So back then I 133 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: wasn't very bit, Thank god. Back then, I was drinking still, 134 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: so I wasn't thinking it all the way through, but 135 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: I had the right intentions in the right heart where 136 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm serving my people corporate. My people 137 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: love corn bread hustle. 138 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Nobody has any idea what we're 139 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: talking about right now. So we've got to unpack all this. 140 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Okay, it's going to be a lot to unpact. 141 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: So first, tell me where you grew up, tell me 142 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: about Sherry the kid. Where'd you grow up? What was 143 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: your what was your what was your growing up experience? 144 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: I had a really rate growing up experience, great neighborhood. 145 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: My parents where in the colony, the Colony, Texas, so 146 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: just a suburb right outside of Dallas. Got it and 147 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: my parents were amazing. I didn't lack for anything. We 148 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: had a great house. I was a very inventive, creative child. 149 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: I had business ideas starting from second grade, going door 150 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: to door selling little bookmarks that I made. I also 151 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: invented a peanut butter slash maple syrup type. Well it 152 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: is disgusting and so well. I thought it was disgusting 153 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: and weird that my mom smeared peanut butter on her 154 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: pancakes then poured syrup on it. I wasn't interested in that, 155 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: but since she was doing a two part process, I 156 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: had the idea to mix it together and package it 157 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: up and try it. And so I went door to 158 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: door trying to serve my sale. 159 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: What sandwich was? 160 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just gonna guess, since we're on this topic, 161 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: it must be peanut butter and maple sandwich. 162 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: Peanut butter and banana. Oh really, peanut butter and banana sandwiches. 163 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: And then they fried them. Wow? 164 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandma disgusting them. My grandma, My grandma used 165 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: to beat us marshmallow cream and peanut butter. 166 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: That's disgusted too. So anyway, the peanut butter and syrup 167 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: could not have gone well. I cannot fathom that doing well. 168 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: But the point is you grew up with a mom 169 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: and dad at home and in a nice neighborhood, going 170 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: to nice schools, and you were inventive and entrepreneur at 171 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: a young age. And then you got on meth. Now, 172 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: how's that work? 173 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: And then you got on mess? 174 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: Well I would understand that. 175 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I actually don't share this story very often, 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: and I've never shared it on bigger platforms, but I'll 177 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: do it today. 178 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: Good good. 179 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: I feel like i'd be forced anyway. 180 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's let's just you know, we're normal folks, right, 181 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: you're not you're not a you're not a politician, and 182 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 2: we all have struggles. And to hear so far, you 183 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: painted a Norman Rockwell painting with peanut butter and maple 184 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: syrup and the colony and everything else, and somehow that 185 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: turned into meth and you're gonna have to connect the dots. 186 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, what's really difficult for me is I don't 187 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: have a problem sharing my own struggles and things that 188 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: I did in my own choices. I'm such a daddy's girl, 189 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: and it was my daddy that indirectly introduced me to meth. 190 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: And well, it sounds like your mom and dad were married. 191 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Right they were, So let me back it all the 192 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: way up. Yeah, mom and dad are married. They did 193 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: start fighting a little more often, and things at home 194 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: weren't very peachy, but it just seemed like normal, you know, 195 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: lightly toxic family issues. One day, I was across the 196 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: street at a friend's house. He was an older kid 197 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: who had already dropped out of high school. He was 198 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: kind of the bad kid. But I was across the 199 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: street at his house. 200 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: What you're doing hanging out with him? 201 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: He had a younger brother as well, and my brother 202 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: and my brother's friends with that younger brother. So it 203 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: was yeah, it was just the kid's next door and 204 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: we were always over there. Yeah, neighborhood stuff. Were you 205 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: I was at that time, I would say around sixteen 206 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: years old, yeah, maybe getting into seventeen. I think I 207 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: was sixteen at that time, so. 208 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: A teenager, yeah, and trying to figure it all out. 209 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: Probably, Oh I had it all figured out. 210 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: Uh, of course, not bad. I forgot. 211 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 212 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: Remember Okay, so you're at the neighbor's house. 213 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: And your teenager and he was like, hey, you know 214 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: your dad smokes, right, And I was like, smokes. My 215 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: dad makes fun of my mom for smoking, like he 216 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: calls cigarettes cancer sticks. There's no way and he was 217 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: like nope. And I was like, well, I know it's 218 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: not weed because my dad's like totally anti drug. My 219 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: dad was a strict dad that was pretty religious, and 220 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: so he wouldn't even allow me, Like they had pajama 221 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: day at school in elementary school, and he raised hell 222 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: over that because he didn't want his daughter to be 223 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: in front of boys in pajamas. So my dad was 224 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: always pretty straight laced, and so I was like, smoke, 225 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: So what do you mean? He was like ice, and 226 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: I was like ice, what's ice? And he was like, 227 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, meth? And I was like no, I don't. 228 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: I had no idea what that was. And I was like, 229 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: there's no way my dad's doing drugs. There's absolutely no way. 230 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: And he was like, Sherry, look out the window. It's 231 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night and your dad's mowing the lawn. 232 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: He's on math. 233 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, is that true? 234 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: Yeah? And I was like he always does that and 235 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: he was like, that's my point. And I was like what, 236 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: And it. 237 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: Was how does a guy like that end up on meth? 238 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: He tried it one day? Well I can, Well, I'll 239 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: fast forward whenever I get to that. I guess we 240 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't fast forward yet because I found out later how 241 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: he ended up on meth. I mean the same way that. 242 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: So drug addiction doesn't discriminate. My dad had a lot 243 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: of unresolved trauma. He was an amazing dad, and he 244 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: had a beautiful wife and he had beautiful kids. But 245 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: my dad walked in on his dad. His dad killed 246 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: himself and my dad found him. 247 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: Oh god. 248 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: He hung himself and was an alcoholic. So addiction was 249 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: in my dad's DNA even though my dad had no 250 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: interest in drugs or alcohol. My dad, you know, he 251 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: partied every once in a while, like at family barbecues, 252 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: and sometimes he'd get a little tipsy. But my dad 253 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: was a real straight lace guy. But he was just 254 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: he was struggling at work. He worked a really it 255 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: was a telecom type job, and it was an overnight 256 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: job where he was trying to stay awake and a 257 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: friend had suggested to him that he could try something 258 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: to stay awake because my dad was like, man, how 259 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: are you staying awake? How are you getting all this 260 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: work done? And he let my dad try it. My 261 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: dad was instantly hooked. And so that is, yeah, it is. 262 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: And so whenever I heard about, you know, this guy, 263 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: he's telling me my dad smokes meth, which, by the way, 264 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: this guy knew my dad smoked meth because he was 265 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: my dad's drug dealer, the neighbor. I know. Yes, So 266 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: I was like, me, some, is. 267 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: Your dad really cutting the grass at eleven o'clock at night? 268 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: Yes? 269 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: He was good lord, yeah, okay, yeah, okay. 270 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, he's just weird, you know. 271 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: And this is a very hard for me to I 272 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: because I love my dad so much, and I've grieved 273 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: his death so much because he died recently, So of 274 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: course that's why I never came out with the story. 275 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: My dad was my best friend, and yeah, you didn't 276 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: want to hurt him. I didn't want to hurt him, 277 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: and he was still living and then right at his passing, 278 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: of course, I only wanted to remember the good things 279 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: about him. Sure, and I wanted him to, you know, 280 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: have a better legacy than the dad that got his 281 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: daughter on meth. And he just to be clear, he 282 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: never got me on meth. I heard he was doing it, 283 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: so I wanted to go find it, because. 284 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: Well, you were hanging out at his dealer's house. You 285 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: didn't have to look far. 286 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: I didn't have to look far. 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You 319 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: go out on the street and find some myth to try, 320 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: because your dad's doing it, so I'm trying to connect those. 321 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, you're sixteen or seventeen. You had to 322 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: know myth was not good. 323 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: So well the I mean I was a cheerleader at 324 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: the time, and I was told it could make me 325 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: lose weight. I was sold. 326 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I. 327 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: Was sold on that alone. 328 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: So you found it. And I assume if your grandfather 329 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: was addictive, and clearly your father's addictive, you have some 330 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: of that same genetic predisposition for an addiction. 331 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I ended up finding it. It's not hard. I 332 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: was working at a golden career and all I did 333 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: was go to the back and ask a couple of 334 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: guys if they knew anybody who had it. I mean, 335 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: at that was it. I know a lot of people 336 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: when they think of meth, they think about people who 337 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: like pick their face and are out on the street 338 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: and super skinny. There are a lot of people that 339 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: you may not even realize that you interact with every 340 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: day that are functional meth addicts and using and going 341 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: to work every single day. 342 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: Well, I just also had a thought that I don't 343 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: know that I'm ever going to eat at a Golden 344 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: Coral again. 345 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: Now, well, I don't know if you can. I think 346 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: they're like going out of business, periers. I think COVID killed. 347 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: But you can understand why there are people running around 348 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 2: eating their seventeenth plate that the match status might have methan. 349 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's say I could have found it at 350 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: I hoop at Dinny. I could. What I'm telling you 351 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: is you can find myth anywhere you want. 352 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: I get it. I'm playing, and so you win, got 353 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: some meth. You tried it, you got hooked, and now 354 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: you're dads. Dealer is your dealer who happens to be 355 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: the guy across the street who's a friend of your brothers. 356 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: I mean, this is like all really close to home. 357 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I tried it, and I did it every 358 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: single day for two years from the day I tried it? 359 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? 360 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: Except for one day. And the only reason why I 361 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: remember that day so vividly is because I was sick 362 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: as a dog. I only didn't do meth because I 363 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: had a stomach bug and I was. 364 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: Oh it was withdrawals, it was yourself. 365 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: I was just sick. 366 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: So you're in high school as a cheerleader doing meth. 367 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: Yes for real, for real? Yeah, that's putting it in 368 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: my drink on the way to school. They had just 369 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: built a brand new QT and they did a year 370 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 1: of free slushies, So that was part I know, that 371 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: was that was what I did. I'd stop and get 372 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: a slushy and drop a couple of shards of meth 373 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: into my slushie. And I mean, I shouldn't even be 374 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: talking about this so lightly. That's horrible. It was really horrible. 375 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: Looking back, like it's allowed me looking back and seeing 376 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: it as well, that's it does allow me to give 377 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: myself a lot of grace for how much I've stumbled 378 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: in being an adult and becoming an alcoholic and like 379 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: all the other toxic behaviors that I had that I 380 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: had to undo and peel the onion back on. 381 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not where we start, right, that's where 382 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: we finish. 383 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 384 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: So I'm thinking about your mom. She had to have 385 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: known your dad was doing math. 386 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: So that's another interesting thing that I've never ever talked 387 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: about on any platform ever. My dad had fallen out 388 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: of a vehicle and he was in a coma for 389 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: several months because he got ran over by another car. 390 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: He was in a brief Yeah, he was in a car, 391 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: and we were making funeral arrangements because he wasn't expected 392 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: to make it. I bear, I don't remember much of 393 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: it because I was only like five years old or younger. 394 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: But my mom was thinking that all his erretic behavior. 395 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: She kept taking him to like brain specialists and they'd 396 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: go to therapy, and she was trying to nobody in 397 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: the whole family believe that somebody like my dad would 398 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: ever do drugs. So it was like it wasn't even 399 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: like at the top of the list as a possibility. 400 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: It was like a there's no way. My mom did 401 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: end up leave. All the behavior and him not paying 402 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: the mortgage and the money disappearing though, that was the 403 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: reason for the divorce. And so when they divorced, I 404 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: told my brother, I'm going to go live with Dad, 405 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: you stay with mom. Of course, if my mom knew 406 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: at that time that my dad was absolutely positively using meth. 407 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: Then I'm sure she would have tried to stop me 408 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: from going to live with him, but I was older 409 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: than fifteen years old and able to make my decision 410 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: on which parent I wanted to live with. 411 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: Sherry, that means that your dad was using math and 412 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: you're in high school living with him using math. Correct, 413 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, we're using math with him. 414 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: No, so we never crossed that boundary. Thank god. 415 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 2: I did you both know each other was using it? 416 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: Yes? 417 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: Wow, Yes, that is phenomenal that you know, stories like 418 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: that typically lead to complete destruction. It did well, but 419 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: you stopped. How you know? 420 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: I was always a very ambitious person, very inventive. Like 421 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: I said, creative. I was on the cheerleading team. I 422 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: had even created. I started my first company while I 423 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: was in high school. It was called Shot of Style. 424 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: It was a photography studio. I was doing senior picks 425 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: and charging the parents money. And this was like before 426 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: I know, this was while on meth slash, before I 427 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: got on MEDS. I was just it's weird. It's hard 428 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: to remember. If it was let's see before, No, it 429 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: was during. It was during meth. I started taking pictures 430 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: because I had worked at glamour shots while I was 431 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: heavy in my meth addiction. 432 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: Did the other kids' parents not know? Was this like 433 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: the biggest secret on earth? Or did your friends know? 434 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I remember high school. It wasn't that long ago, 435 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: and high school kids know what other high school kids 436 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: are doing typically. 437 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: And that's something I have to live with all the 438 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: time every day, is the people that I introduced to 439 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: it and what it did to them. 440 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a hell of a burden. 441 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: And yes, parents did know, and rumor or mills did happen. 442 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: And I did get kicked off the cheerleading team because 443 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: I got evicted from my apartment because of weed. Actually, 444 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: so I was just thankful that I got kicked off 445 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: the cheerleading team for having weed. I was like, okay, 446 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: well sure, you know. 447 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: Wow. 448 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: So I was very quickly going from being a respected 449 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: person in school that made decent grades and played sports too. 450 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: I was the kid that the parents said, don't go 451 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: to her house. You can't go to her house. 452 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is not ten minutes ago I 453 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: asked you to tell me about the way you came up, 454 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: and you said, oh, it was great. It was a 455 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: wonderful house. It was in the I think you said 456 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: the colony in Dallas, everything's great, yet you were dealing 457 00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: with math and getting kicked out of off And I 458 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: mean it even makes your story to me more remarkable 459 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: because very few people will overcome an adolescent situation like 460 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: that one. So again, what made you stop? 461 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: So I just I kept a lot of people who 462 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: have used meth can relate to this feeling. But there 463 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: were a lot of times that I because once meth 464 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: takes over your life and your life sucks, like your 465 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: whole life becomes like you're a slave to the drug. 466 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: You wait, gripped, You're gripped. 467 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: I've heard I've heard addicts say it's it's it's got 468 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: me gripped. 469 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Yes, So it can start out as something that Wow, 470 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: I did like ten flips down the football field. This 471 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: made me better at cheerleading. Wow, I've lost fifteen pounds 472 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: in one week. This is amazing. Wow. I stayed up 473 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: all and just finish this paper and got an A 474 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: on it. So people don't start drugs because it negatively 475 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: affects them and keep doing them, Like who's going to 476 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: keep doing drugs that didn't feel good or didn't give 477 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: a result? So it was giving me results, but then 478 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: once it gripped me, and once I was I mean 479 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: getting kicked. I had an apartment while I was in 480 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: high school. That's growing up fast. That's some fast growing up. 481 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: So getting evicted from me, Why did you have an 482 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: apartment because I wanted to live on my own and 483 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: my dad co signed on it for me. 484 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 2: Wow. 485 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to do my own thing, and 486 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure he was just fine with that. You know, 487 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: we both kind of wanted to do our own thing. 488 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: So I just I spent a lot of time doing 489 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: the whole fleshing the meth down the toilet or stomping 490 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: the pipe and saying I'm done. But what would happen 491 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: is I would face my four thirty credit score, no car, 492 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: no money, like facing all those feelings. What meth does 493 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: really well is numb feelings. Meth makes you feel like 494 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: you can be like President of the United States tomorrow 495 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: and your crap doesn't stink and you feel no feelings. 496 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. There's a meth problem throughout the 497 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: center of our country. There's a meth problem everywhere, but 498 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: there's an especially egregious meth problem in a lot of 499 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: rural areas and places like West Virginia and Kentucky and 500 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: Ohio and east to Sea, and I'm sure it's everywhere, 501 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: but I'm just I'm aware of those, and it's largely 502 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: people who've been left behind by the factory in the 503 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: town shutting down or the mill in the town shutting down, 504 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: in very little prospects and hearing you, I guess I 505 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: can see being a high school kid from a real 506 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: rural area who really doesn't have the money or prospects 507 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: that's maybe you know, lower to middle income and not 508 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: much going on, and meth being the only thing that 509 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: makes them feel good at first. I mean, is do 510 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: you see that? I mean, is that right? 511 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: Or I think that because I had I mean meth 512 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: landed right in my I mean, my family had it all. 513 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: I think drug addiction can get anybody, and if you 514 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of unresolved trauma, and especially people who 515 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: live in the inner cities and are in toxic families, 516 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: they're definitely going to probably let that drug grip them 517 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: quicker than sing and bele yes, absolutely avoiding the feelings 518 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: that you have to deal with, Like there's That's why 519 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: I did create a twelve week starting Over program inside prisons, 520 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: and that whole program is about understanding boundaries, understanding codependency, 521 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: understanding toxic relationships. Because I can give you a job 522 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: all day long, I can pet your head and tell 523 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: you everything's gonna be okay. I can hand you a 524 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: bunch of money, I can give you shelter, I can 525 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: give you a car, But you're gonna lose all of 526 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: that if you haven't learned how to process your feelings, 527 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: or if you haven't learned how to live in sobriety 528 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: while being accountable and changing your life. It's hard. And 529 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: one of the gifts that I have because of my 530 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: experience is because people ask all the time, like, if 531 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: you could change anything, would you? I mean, I don't 532 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: want to live it again. I'd say just kill me. 533 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: Put a gun to my head instead, just kill me 534 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: if you're going to make me go live it again. 535 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: But I don't want to change a thing, because I 536 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: don't think I would have had the ability to have 537 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: this gift of making people feel good while holding them accountable. 538 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: Not many leaders can do that. It's usually one or 539 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: the other, well, and one's enabling and one is shaming. 540 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: Right well, certainly experience has giving you a very unique 541 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: set of tools and a toolbox to do the things 542 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: you're doing now. So again, I still don't know why 543 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: you got off math or how you got off Math. 544 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: What did that? I you stomp the pipe? You threw 545 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: it down the toilet, But I gotta. 546 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: I had a lot of arrests. My arrests were always frivolous. 547 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: It was for driving on the wrong side of a 548 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: divided highway because I was But I never got my 549 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: car searched. And the times that I did get my 550 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: I just got lucky. Simply put, I never got caught 551 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: with meth, so I never got charged with a possession. 552 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: I never got a felony. 553 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: But you driving on the wrong side of the road. 554 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: Because I had a work You also never died, I know, 555 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: because I had so. I had tons of warrants. In fact, 556 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to say this. I probably have a 557 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: warrant in Memphis, Tennessee for a long time ago. I 558 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: just told you the last time. If they still and 559 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy to pay that ticket and make the amends. Okay, 560 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: So Memphis, Yes, I will pay my ticket, just so 561 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: don't make me sit in jail first. 562 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, So how many times have you been arrested? 563 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't so. I think the number 564 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: of times I've been arrested is around the fourteen fourteen 565 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: time mark. 566 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: But when we say arrested, did that mean jail time 567 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: or I'm. 568 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: Always always a night in jail and so very privileged, 569 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: very lucky. I never did any prison time that I 570 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: cannot relate to the people that I serve on the 571 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: basis of spending time in prison. 572 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 2: But where I stand the booking process. You understand the fear, 573 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: you understand. 574 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: I understand the prison in your own mind of hating 575 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: yourself or running from something and chasing something and being 576 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: addicted and not meeting your potential. I understand. I understand 577 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: that there's no reason I shouldn't be in prison for 578 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: the rest of my life right now. My last arrest, 579 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: which happened five years ago, was a DWI and I 580 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: was so drunk that I had to go back to 581 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: the police station the next day and ask what city 582 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: my car was in so I could have killed myself 583 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: or someone else. Somebody called nine to one one and 584 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: said that I was swerving so badly that I was 585 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: going to hurt someone. Of course I was angry for 586 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: a very long time that somebody would snitch me out. 587 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: But now that I'm in they probably absolutely did. Back then, 588 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: I probably would have rather died. That's how bad my 589 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: life was looking at that point. I was that drunk 590 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: pretty much in the middle of the day. 591 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: Were you I was? So? 592 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: I was the CEO of Cornbread Hustle at that time. 593 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: So I am four years sober from alcohol, but I 594 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: started Cornbread Hustle six years ago. 595 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, we got so. 596 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: Success is not linear, my friend. 597 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 2: But yours is extraordinarily nonlinear. I know, So you got 598 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 2: off meth, but you replaced it with alcohol. I mean, 599 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: is that right? 600 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: Yep, that's about it. That's that's to make a long 601 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: story very short. 602 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 2: Okay, So here's we keep it, and so I know. 603 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: You keep So how I got off meth, by the way, 604 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: it was just arrest after arrest, after arrest, I'd go 605 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: like thirty days without doing meth, and then I'd relapse. 606 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: And both times that I relapsed after thirty days sober, 607 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: something bad happened. The first time I ended up stealing, 608 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: I was at a drug dealer's house and I stole 609 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of methadone, and I tried to take 610 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: a bunch of it to help me sleep because I 611 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: just wanted to do a little bit of meth to 612 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: stay up. I took a whole bunch of it, and 613 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna die. Literally, I was so sick. 614 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean my stomach was pumping itself. 615 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 2: Sure, I mean you were a drug addict. 616 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I mean I still am if 617 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: you put drugs in front of me. So I'll always 618 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: be a drug addict and an alcoholic and I have 619 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: to remember that. 620 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 2: No, I get that part. Let me say it a 621 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: different way. You were a active, practicing drug addict and 622 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 2: not just someone who I mean this was your life. 623 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: Yes, it was my entire life for a couple of years. 624 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 2: The strength I have addicts in my family and none 625 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 2: of them have been able to kick it. The strength, 626 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 2: the internal fortitude you have to be for yours completely 627 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: alcohol and drug free after having been basically an addict 628 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 2: since you were sixteen or seventeen year olds in high school. 629 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 2: Is I mean, it just says a lot about you, 630 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 2: and that's a story unto itself. We keep referencing corn 631 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 2: Brad Hustle, so we have to we have to tie 632 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 2: that together. Tell me about why and how at the 633 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,839 Speaker 2: very beginning. Not what you're doing now we'll unpack that, 634 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: but why and how at the very beginning. 635 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: So you asked what got me off meth? It was 636 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: just the same reason I got off alcohol, trying to 637 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: quit for a little bit. It sucked quitting, but then 638 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: realizing relapsing sucked worse. The second time I relapsed, I 639 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: was in the back of a cop car. 640 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 2: And how is that possible? Oh god, there's another story. 641 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: You were in the back of a cop car, and 642 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 2: then you really I. 643 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: Ended up in the back of a cop. 644 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 2: Okay, good god, you said the second time. I'm like, no, 645 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 2: would you have it in your sock and decide to 646 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 2: get high in the back of a car? 647 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you don't want to be high on meth 648 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: going to jail. 649 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: But note to listeners, yes, don't take math if you're 650 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 2: going to jail. It's terrible. Okay, go ahead. 651 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: Most people know that if you got a say in it. 652 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 2: Most people don't know that because drug addicts may know that, 653 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 2: but most people don't know. 654 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: Okay, you're right. Sometimes I forget how privileged I am 655 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: to know everything about the drug world. Anyways, I ended 656 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: up going to relapse, met up with some old friends 657 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,319 Speaker 1: and they looked strung out. They must have been on 658 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: a bender. And I show up in my little cheerleading 659 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: bow and cute clothes. I'm like, hey, guys, what's up. 660 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to do some math because again, I was 661 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: like a month or a month and a half sober, 662 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: and I just I wanted to do enough just to 663 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: get motivated to fix my life. That is a problem 664 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: with a lot of people. There's two problems of people 665 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: that I see that get off meth and come out 666 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: of prison or get off meth at all. We have 667 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: this idea that we can do just a little to 668 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: jump start either losing weight you can gain a lot 669 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: of weight getting off meth obviously, or to jump start 670 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: getting back on track with like finding a job or facing. 671 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 2: The problem is you walk right back into the grip. 672 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: That is the problem. So they ended up getting in 673 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: some gosh some brawl in the front yard. There was 674 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: some kind of trailer trash brawl. I can't remember what happened. 675 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: Some lady comes screaming like a banshee and it's a big, 676 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: big old fight in the front yard and somebody calls 677 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: the cops, the cops show up, and the cops take 678 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: everyone's ID. I ended up being the only one arrested 679 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: because you had a warrant, because I had a warrant. 680 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: So all the times I got arrested, it was because 681 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: I had a warrant. It was never because I got 682 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 1: caught with the drugs, but because of the way everyone 683 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: was behaving and the erratic behavior, and cops aren't stupid. 684 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: On the way to the police station or to jail, 685 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: they were like, hey, you're the least likely person we 686 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: thought we were going to arrest tonight, and they basically 687 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: just I'll never forget like that. You know, people come 688 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: in your life and plant seeds and say things and 689 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: you put it in your back pocket and you're like, 690 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: bo way do yeah, And so he just said, do 691 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 1: you want to look like those people? Because you don't 692 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: right now. I hope you know that, Like, it's very 693 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: obvious that you're new to this and if you want 694 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: to keep going down this road, that's how you're gonna look. 695 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 2: Which means you look like you're eighty five when you're thirty. 696 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 2: In your teeth, a rotten out of your head. 697 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: Pretty much is what he was implying, And so it 698 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: wasn't really his words or him threatening that I'm gonna 699 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: look like an old lady at thirty. 700 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 2: Mister pad. 701 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: It was more of the fact that, man, it really 702 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: did suck being sober for that month or so, but 703 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: it sucked a lot worse writing in a cop card 704 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: to jail and starting all over again. So that was 705 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: the moment that I really realized that no matter what, 706 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: meth isn't going to solve my problems, and I'm just 707 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: going to have to walk this tough road to get better. 708 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,719 Speaker 2: That concludes Part one of our conversation with Sherry Garcia, 709 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 2: and I hope you'll listen to part two that's now available. 710 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 2: Her redemption story is just getting started. But if you don't, 711 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 2: make sure you join the Army of Normal Folks at 712 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 2: normal Folks dot us and sign up to become a 713 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 2: member of our movement. 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