WEBVTT - Ep. 263: Render - Rich Froning, Tennessee Vols, and Osceola 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.239 My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.440 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.800 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:31.320 of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f HF Gear, 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:36.560 American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.320 to be as rugged as the place as we explore. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.800 We're in Knoxville, Tennessee, on Meat Eaters game Day. I 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.760 have with me this panel of expert analysts of college football, 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:59.200 duck hunting, CrossFit, country living. We got it all here today, folks. Now, 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:02.520 I feel like I'm on the ESPN. Were we are. 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:08.480 We are in downtown Knoxville, Tennessee, within sight of where 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:14.000 Tennessee Balls. They're kind of roll over the tide uh here. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.360 In about five or six hours we are We're at 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.720 the Meat Eater tailgate tour, which has been a ton 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.760 of fun. I have a very unique group of guests 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.880 here with me today. I'll introduce them from right to left. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.960 I've got right here, Hunter Spencer from Meat Eater man 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.160 Old Tennessee Ball himself lives in Virginia. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:37.960 He's spying on them. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.759 Hunter. Anything that you see that is graphic graphic design. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.680 Most almost everything is Hunter Spencer, including this cool horn 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:48.520 getting grilled. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.080 Hunter's looks really confused, right, I thought I was sitting 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:54.840 next to Josh Hippool honestly. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.600 Josh, I don't even know. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:02.960 Really, the head coach of the ball. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.560 I thought, I thought you got him out here. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.280 Well, this Hunter Spencer here, we have Josh, Josh Bird 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.320 Bird Bird, and you you work with He runs hunt 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.320 for us. Yeah, so I kind of got to introduce 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.960 you guys together. This is Rich Frowning introduced to me 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.680 as the most fit man in America. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:30.480 Which formerly let's go we're tired. Now, let's go America 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:31.959 in the world. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:33.639 World, in the world. World. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.880 You're being serious formally okay, fish man in the world. 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.280 Let's go, hey man, Yeah, I love it. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.480 Play a second. That's right. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.800 Well, all I was gonna say was I mean, you know, 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.320 we squirrel hunted yesterday and he couldn't lose me. 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.760 I could tell you we were just creeping. We're just 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.720 creeping squirrels to squirrels. Yeah, they lost us. 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.919 So yeah, tell me, how would you introduce you? 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.880 I competed in CrossFit for twelve thirteen years. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:04.840 Thirteen years if. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.400 You count COVID won a couple times as an individual, 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.440 one a couple of times on a team, own a 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:14.000 CrossFit gym in Cookville, Tennessee, and now trying to bring 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.359 fitness to the hunting space. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:16.320 That's our big thing. 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.239 We got into hunting, real passionate about it probably the 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.640 last ten years, and so yeah. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.560 That's what we're doing now. Awesome love hunting. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.959 And so I let me come back to you guys. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:31.200 Right after Brent, Brent Reeves and then this guy who's 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.560 never been I don't think you've been on the ritter 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.520 of this is Garrett Long. Almost everything that's going on 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.400 at Meat Eater and even with Bear Grease, this guy's 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.600 involved with but kind of behind the scenes. So I'm 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.600 really upset that you're here, Garrett, really, man, it's upsetting 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.720 Garrett's Garrett's like, he's like, he's my boss, so he's 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:50.320 running in the. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.080 Show man it. I think. 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.040 The coolest thing I've done at Meat Eater, though, is 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:55.440 I actually hired hunter. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.520 Yeah really, yeah he was, he started. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:04.240 Man, Wait a minute, me, Yeah, I agree that. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:15.720 Yeah, No, tell me, like in the hunting space, it's 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.200 clear that you know, in the last at least ten years, 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.599 like fitness has come up on the radar of something 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:27.479 that we should all be, you know, as hunters, which 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.640 is pretty cool because I think that the narrative for 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.160 a lot of the hunting community has not been something 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.039 you know, that would be fitness related. And then when 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:43.039 we started, you know, Western hunts and elk hunting kind 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.719 of came onto the scene and it's like, hey, a 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.400 big limiting factor of success is just being able to 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.800 get places. Then you started seeing you know, people marketing 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.440 to the fitness. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.719 Yeah, so we talked about this a little bit yesterday. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.360 My kind of background is like, originally I was born 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.240 in Michigan in Tennessee for thirty plus years, so whitetail 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.400 is is kind of for me. And when I started hunting, 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.880 whitetail was tough because it's sitting still. I have ADHD 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.600 like or add or something. Something's not right. So I'm 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.160 a little off, you know, And so that was tough 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.719 for me. And so I got into turkey hunting first, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.760 and turkey hunting I fell in love with. And so 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:21.960 you know, it's up down we running gun a lot, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.039 you know in Tennessee. And so I then somebody introduced 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.839 me to elk hunting and from then on I was hooked. 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.640 And so now I've kind of like made it back 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.080 to now whitetail is a passion too. So in that 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.760 whole process, you know, I was competing and training and 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.880 I'm like, man, there's such a need for like a 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.400 little bit of science backed hunting fitness preparation. You know, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.080 there are some other ones out there and good ones 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.960 out there, but I feel like we've you know, we've 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.200 got fifteen years. I was a next strength and conditioning coach. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.520 I have degree in exercise science. I've competed for years, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.400 and I married the two with the passion that I 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.640 have hunting. In the last you know, ten years, I 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.320 would say where we got super serious and then Western 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.320 hunting in the last six or seven that I've been 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.600 like next level passionate about. So yeah, we just kind 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.000 of saw the need there. I was like, Hey, I'm 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.720 gonna be hunting a lot anyway, I'm gonna be doing 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.080 these workouts to prepare myself for hunting. Why not just 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.000 offer them to people online. So that's kind of where 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.600 Mayhem Hunt started. We have CrossFit Mayhem and we've done 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.039 that for twelve or fifteen years and we'll still keep 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.960 that up. But man Mayhem hunt and just hunting has 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.599 become a huge passion of mine. And I want guys 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.120 girls to never have to question, hey, should I go 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.680 after that animal because i'ma have to get it out 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.200 or either's just no, there's no second thought when we 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.040 go out. We're like, all right, I don't care if 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.000 it's a thousand feet up, We're gonna get there. We're 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.240 gonna get to it and get that animal, and then 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:37.800 we're gonna get it out. So that's just you know, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.120 we want people more confidence of anything of like hey, 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:40.920 I can go out. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:41.440 There and do this right. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:46.960 Yeah, yeah, you know. To me, the most positive thing 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.640 about when you're combining physical fitness and then hunting, which 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.320 we're all passionate about, is like being physically fit is 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.560 like a good idea for life in general, you're out 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.440 hunting or not, and and so it's it's again just 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:06.320 one of those like tangible and positive things that comes 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.600 from being involved in the outdoors. 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.040 Well. And then I mean there's such a crossover too 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.720 of like hey, you're harvesting your own meat. It's healthy, 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.000 we know where it came from. It's not going to 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.480 a store. It's not overly processed, it's not given all 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.480 these antibiotics and stuff. So you know, if we can 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.360 get this healthy, clean meat and then also fuel ourselves 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.520 for these it's it just it's it makes sense. And 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.040 then you know, we've talked about it too. Like my personality, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.680 I'm just a competitor, right, So, like my whole life 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.240 has been. I'm one of thirty two first cousins on 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.360 my mom's side, twenty five or boys, and everything we 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.840 did was a competition, and so that's just who I am, right, 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.280 So I competed for years and then when I got done, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.280 I'm like, man, I still need to compete and still 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.400 have that and hunting. I mean, we talked about it yesterday. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.280 It's the original competition, right, like us versus that animal. 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.320 And so for me, I feel like that draw of 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.000 just the competition side of it is just who I am. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.080 And then you got the like team aspect of it. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.000 I you know, all these guys are going solo. Hunt's 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:04.640 good for you. I like, you know, if I've got 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.520 one other person and there's a team and we're kind 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.400 of like figuring out a plan, there's like just there's 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:10.000 something to it. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:11.360 And so all of it. 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.800 What I've done in the past, Mary's super well to 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.360 what we're doing now, and man, I just it just 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.480 blessed to be where we're at. 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:20.640 Man, I love love it. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.760 I'm trying to Garrett, let's let's combine our heads here, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:29.120 Hunter and Brent. What what would you ask the fittest 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.000 man in the world if he were sitting by you, Like, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.040 what intelligent question would you ask them? 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:35.240 Like? 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:39.960 Because it's going to take all listen, listen, here's the 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.600 best analogy. If I was if I was sitting next 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:48.280 to the owner of the finest mule in America, I 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:49.920 would have a hundred questions. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.120 For Hey, father of the American mule? Who is it? 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.559 George wah nice? Hey, come on dude, all right, who 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:56.000 are you talking? 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:56.959 Too easy? Sorry? 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.640 It's like who invented crossfild? 0:08:58.679 --> 0:08:59.600 All right? All right? Great? 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.640 Are already said? Is motivation? And that would have been 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.000 my question? 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:05.400 Motivation the motivator? 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.280 Well, you know the coolest part two is you know 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.840 my kids. So you guys have seen my kids are 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.000 around all the time, birds. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:12.400 Kids are out here. 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.720 Well, but I want to impact, Like you know, I've 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.160 never once told my kids, hey, let's go do a workout, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.040 but they see me and Lakeland will go down there. 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.440 All of my kids will be like, hey, I'm gonna 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:24.280 work out with you, you. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:25.680 Know, and they're doing their own thing. We're not loading 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.040 them up with a barbell. We're not like making them 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.480 do anything, but they want to do it. So then 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.640 you like, I'm doing a workout and I just look 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.840 over and they're doing it right. Well, then the hunting 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.920 now too, Like I've been out six or seven times 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.880 and my kids have been with me five of the times. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.840 The Trice was with me when we harvested a dough. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.560 The other other afternoon morning and he was fired up, 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.000 and my you know, like it's awesome. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:46.680 It's there. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.600 They want to be with me, and that's what I want, right, 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.520 So I want to impact them from the physical side 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.320 of like, hey want them to be in better shape 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.720 and and just you know, a lifestyle of fitness. But 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.400 then also the outdoors, like it's it's just in a 0:09:59.440 --> 0:09:59.880 good spot. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.360 Yeah, I think to your to your question. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.640 We talked about a little bit yesterday, But there's workout 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.680 programs out there for getting outside and everything. But man, 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.760 and I've I've I've been fortunate to work out a 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.800 decent amount of my life. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.080 But oh really, I never would have guessed. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:22.199 They thank you, but they break out. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:27.160 They breaks me right, Like I I love, I get started, 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.960 I find myself getting started, and then three weeks in 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.360 like it is a lifestyle that and maybe I'm just 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.240 not tough enough. I just like can't continue. My body 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.280 is breaking down and old thirty three. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:40.079 Yeah, ex accurate. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.920 I'm just kidding, But I think, like I think my 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.080 my my question is is like, if you're not a 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.320 dude that's already just getting it, Like, how much is 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:49.880 too much? 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:50.680 Right? Like? 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.800 What what is the proper level of training if a 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.440 guy's coming out west on his first el cunt? Like, 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.000 is it just seven days a week to like to 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.480 failure every and that's the mentality should have? 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.840 Or is there a middle ground to get you out 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:05.480 in the feet? Yeah? 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.040 And so I feel like that's something that we have 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.080 or we've kind of like, you know, we've got the 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.280 background of we have the CrossFit gym that we've had 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.839 for fifteen years, and you know, we've got our youngest 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.400 member we talked yesterday's five years old and our oldest 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.440 is eighty three or eighty four years old. So like 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.840 we have the full range, and so we've been able 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.040 to see, hey, you know, what can some people do, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.119 and like you're at a very entry level and we've 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:31.280 kind of on what we're doing now is like putting 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.080 a little bit of science behind that instead of just 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.640 hammering guys all the time, which you still need to do, right, 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.960 You've still got to like prepare because there is a 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.840 mental aspect of it. Anybody who's been out west, like, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.280 you've got to be able to grind because there are 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.480 you know, those days where it's up down physically but 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.200 also mentally and emotionally, and so you've got to have 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.560 those days. But then also like we know that four 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.280 or five weeks is about as hard as you can push, 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.120 and then you maybe need to take a week where 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.800 you just kind of, hey, like let's move still. You know, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.160 starting out maybe three or four days a week, and 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.320 then you know you could bump it up. I we 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.360 were talking yesterday. I like to work out seven days 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.959 a week. It's my mentality. It's almost like it's something 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.200 I have to do right, It's just clear my head. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.520 It's got to get that hit, whatever it is. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.240 But for most guys, starting out three days a week, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.000 it's gonna be a lot, you know, And so you 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.320 can once you do a couple weeks of that, maybe 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:22.079 add a fourth day. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:23.240 Hey, four days too many? 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.760 Like there is And that's one of the things we're 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.719 trying to do is like, hey, we're gonna build a 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:29.559 community where guys can get on there, girls can get 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.640 on there and talk and feel like, hey, you know, hey, 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.080 this is what I'm doing. I'm feeling like this, you know, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.520 any help there. So that's that's what we're trying to do, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.520 is take the kind of approach we've done with CrossFit, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.360 of like, hey, we know our program is the best, 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.480 but also the community side of like hey, let's let's 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.080 you know, ask some questions and do some stuff like 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:48.520 that too. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.360 Yeah. And the Thursdays for us is usually a off 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.920 ish day, so Thursdays and Sundays. Yeah. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.920 So, And to answer the question, as a normal average 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:02.160 forty three year old guy work like working out with him, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.800 I know he works out two days a week. I 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.000 can usually two times, two times a day. I can 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.400 go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday usually and work out with him. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.360 But by Thursday I'm probably just taking off completely just 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.000 because I mean, I can't do it anymore. You know, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.760 like my body's worn down, I need to day. I 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.679 need just to arrest day completely. So it is listened 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.760 to your body. And but we do take Thursdays, Saturdays 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.240 and as like active recovery, and then Sundays is usually 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.480 just completely off. So we have that broken in there 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:33.000 pretty good. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.000 All right, I gotta cool. I got a question. 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.560 So I'm thinking of a football question for you about 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.119 tonight coach. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.600 On first down, they'll never expect it. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.360 So trying to like maybe compare it to hunting. So 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:51.240 if you got somebody that's never hunted and they've got 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.560 aspirations to be a big game hunter, you kind of 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.520 figure out a path that they'll start smoking with it. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.040 So I'll say the same thing with getting fitter, a 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.880 better version of you. What what's that first step look like? 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:07.440 Doing something? Doing anything like moving three four days a week. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.040 You know, I when you know, when I was early 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.440 on in CrossFit, I was like, you have to do CrossFit. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.439 The only way to get fitter is doing CrossFit. I'm 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.800 not that mentality anymore. Like I think CrossFit or some 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.600 variation like ours isn't is a little bit of CrossFit. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.280 There's a lot less gymnastics, a lot more grunt work, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.240 a little bit less super high intensity all the time, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:29.600 because that does wear you out. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.080 But man, it's just getting started. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.800 Doing something is better than nothing. And then you know, 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.520 like to start this momentum. And it's day after day 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:43.800 and you know, I my personal kind of values are faith, family, fitness, right, 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.440 and so every day I try to sit down at 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.320 the end of the day and be as objective as possible. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.440 How did I do faith? Wise? Did I get in 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:52.200 the word? Whatever? 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:56.680 Did I do good? And and try to give myself, 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.400 you know, one through ten? Same with family? Did I 0:14:58.400 --> 0:14:59.480 spend time? Quality time? 0:14:59.520 --> 0:14:59.800 And then fit? 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.200 And then short memory when you do good because next 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:04.920 day it's a new day. And short memory when you 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:06.880 do bad as well, because then you got to just like, hey, 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:07.920 we got to reset today. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:09.600 It's fitness. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.400 All that stuff is like it just compounds, right, and 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.280 so it's all about momentum and just get do something right. Yeah, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.760 twenty minute walk, you know, do that a couple of 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:20.560 days a week, add thirty minutes or add a little 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:21.800 bit of wait, whatever you want to do. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.120 You know, I think I think a lot of times 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.720 people are including me, are intimidated by guys that are 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.240 really good, that are kind of the leaders in this space, right. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.520 I mean, it's like we're not having we're not having, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.560 you know, somebody that's not good at this, like being 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.800 the spokesman for fitness. That's always somebody like you and 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:44.320 and sometimes it's hard to be like, well, I can't 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.440 be a professional or I can't and what you I 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.920 appreciate what you said because I mean that's kind of 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:52.600 the way that I've I think about fitness. I don't 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.600 talk about fitness, right, but it's like something that's how 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:00.680 my mind is to is to just do something, you know, 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.600 and and I do some running, do some in the 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:04.760 last two years, have done some. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:05.960 Yeah, we talked yesterday. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.440 It was pretty pretty disciplined, you know, three four times 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.120 a week at a gym doing Staremaster. Just because I'm 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.760 I'm forty five and a man. I feel my body 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:16.360 just kind of. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.840 Like the strength, the strength was starting to fall off. 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.920 Yeah, yeah, and uh, like just doing something is better 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:23.360 than nothing. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:24.200 I can tell you that. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.040 The frustrating thing with running with Clays, He's one of 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.680 those guys. At half a mile in he goes, God, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.160 I'm tired, and You're like oh, you're tired. Good and 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.400 you're like and so you're like, okay, I'm kind of 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.160 tired to you. And then a mile and he's like, oh, 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.960 I'm tired. Then like three miles in he's like, oh, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.960 I'm tired. You're like, when are you gonna side? It 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:47.080 just keeps grinding. He him and Giannis they burned me 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.080 one day on the mountain. We were we went for 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.000 a little run before I go to market meeting and 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.000 I hung with him for like it was a lot 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.560 for me. It was a long run. It was a 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.840 ten mile run. I think I hung with him for 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.960 like eight and the final how I'm like, I gotta 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.320 go to the bathroom. I'm sorry, I got my shoes. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:05.280 I gotta do something. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:13.160 I gotta Yeah, Hey, I want to let's talk about 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.800 football for a moment now, Coach Hunter, Coach you you 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.879 went to the University of Tennessee and what and what 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:21.720 did you study there? 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:23.120 Art? Art? 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.200 But you're from Virginia correct, But you're big balls man, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:27.040 big time. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.520 And your wife I suffered through yeah, and my wife 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.560 went here for veterinary Yeah. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.919 I mean, like, what's it what's it like, what's it 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.240 like to be wearing the Orange. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.720 Oh it's good, especially on a day like today. I 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.639 mean it's just third Saturday in October. That's get any bigger. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.199 So we just need we need a Saturday like we 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:46.080 had in twenty two. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.720 Okay, yeah, so what what will they do if they 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.880 beat Alabama today? Like I've heard it said twice. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.960 Now, the gold post will come down? You think in 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.600 the water it could be. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.360 Okay, so that we're right here on the tennis. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:04.199 Because we got the playoffs sort of lost win this. 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.879 If we win this, still got to play Georgia. We 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.919 still got to play Georgia. But if you can go 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.040 ten and two, you've got an sec guy right here. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.240 Of course too, you've got a good shot. Give you 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.320 that making it we How late is the Georgia Get 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.000 over at his shirt right now? We lost? We got 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.320 one of those losses there, so we were hoping it 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:26.639 would just be Alabama and Georgia. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:27.880 How late is the Georgia game. 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.200 That's the hard part too, is you've got to time 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.000 your losses correctly, you know, like I think. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.920 It's a night is it? Is it a night game 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.320 today or is it the same time? 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:37.520 No? 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.360 I'm saying, like, when do you guys play Georgia. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.200 Oh it's at Georgia. I think it's a day game 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:42.280 at Georgia. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.040 Win the season. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:48.439 Sorry, we've got to buy next week. I think Kentucky, 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:49.480 then I think Georgia. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:51.240 That's enough. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.280 What I thought was cool is that if they you know, 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.120 sometimes when they win, this is a huge wear down 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:01.800 the goalpost. Bring it to the Tennessee River. Throw the 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.919 kid there, Bandy. 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.400 That would be the second time because Bandy. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.199 Did it to two weeks ago, Bandy beat Bama and 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.479 they carried it to the Cumberland. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.600 Which is a much further that much. I was thinking 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.080 about crappie structure down on the bottom. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.240 And we've got a hundred and two thousand. Yeah, when 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:25.000 they stand like fifty tops, so they covered like half 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:26.000 of the field when they started. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:37.160 Yeah, that's great, that's great, Brent. What kind of shirt 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.440 you were in there? Oh well, this is what were 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:40.520 you doing two weeks ago? 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.960 Two weeks ago I was celebrating. Were you at the game? 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.840 I was not? Do you know who they're playing today? 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.040 They're playing you gotta know you were over here? Really? 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:56.320 Oh yeah, communists, but welcome, he's French. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.040 That's literally French there, yeh w I'm sorry. I was 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.280 so good. We're glad you're here. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.240 I get one opportunity every now and then a blind 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:14.080 hole literally finds out literally, and that's that's what we season. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.760 I'd send him text all the time. When Tennessee was winning, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.119 I get everything sarcastic back. So as soon as we 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.360 lost Arkansas. 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.040 I just I just almost wore. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.960 I almost wore my Notre Dame baseball jersey here just 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:27.960 for but I didn't. 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:29.640 I didn't. This was the last time we were here. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.000 Yeah, yeah, we were rich. But you're not a Tennessee fan. 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.040 No, I'm a Notre Dame fan. My grandpa went to 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:35.600 Notre Dame. 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.159 My family's Catholic and Irish, so I've been stuck with 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.480 Notre Dame my whole life. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:42.760 Yeah it's been rough, you know. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:43.120 Yeah. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.720 No, I mean I tried to get behind Tennessee when 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.080 they were bad for a while because I could tolerate 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.720 the fans, and then as soon as they started winning again, 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.760 I was like, man, he was just obnoxious, you know. 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.119 Like that's like, you know, I went hard. 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:00.600 I mean, I'm a I'm a Notre Dame in a 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:04.240 Detroit sports fan, So don't talk to me about hard time. Yeah, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:06.880 thirty seven years of hard times. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:07.400 Rich you got. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:09.120 Here. 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:10.440 That's true, that's true, that's true. 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.520 You know the good thing about being from Arkansas, and 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:18.040 this is true. We have no professional sports teams. We 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:23.560 have one bigger uh Division one school. There are other 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:28.119 Division one schools, but without a doubt, everybody in Arkansas 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.000 is rooting for the Razorbacks. Like when I think about Alabama, 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:35.720 haven't having a divided a divided state. Uh, It's it's 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.680 kind of weird to me to think that you would 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:40.199 have that kind of vitriol against like people in your 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.840 own state, you know, like Alabama and Auburn and all this. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:44.879 But in Arkansas, man, that's. 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.480 All we got when we beat John Daily and golf 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:48.520 for a long time, we did. 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:49.640 We had him for a. 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.719 While, still got him. I mean he's still there. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:57.920 Yeah, yeah, but not so as you all know, we 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.880 usually on the render and we'll day we uh we 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:06.359 talk about the last podcast that came out. Anybody has 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.480 anybody else got anything else they want to say? Before 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:13.960 we talk about that cash shirt? 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.560 It's hot. Keep that there's no. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:19.800 Keep that down. 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:21.800 Now. 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.600 This I told I told Hunter had been cool. If 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:29.320 we were at like Florida State. And then we were 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:35.240 talking about this, this series I've been I've been working 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:37.040 on it for a long time. I think I read 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.320 the first book about Oola like a year and a 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:43.159 half ago, and it Sometimes these series, people ask me 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:44.600 a lot of times, like how long do you work 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.840 on a series? And they're all different. Sometimes they come 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.320 together real quick, but then other times they're like long 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.800 and drawn out. This one was long and drawn out, 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.359 and it took us that long to find the right 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:01.800 people to tell the story. And and sometimes I'll start 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:04.679 a series that ends with me, well, in my mind, 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.080 a potential series, and I never do it because I 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.000 never find the right people. And I actually thought that 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.640 might be what happened with ostiolas I did, I did, 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:18.040 and and even uh, there's gonna be a new guest later. 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:18.479 Uh. 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.480 We talked to one of the Florida seminoles, and then 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.399 I had known Sterling Harjoe for a while and so 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.080 I knew he was gonna be great. But he's not 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:30.920 a historian's he's a seminole and just kind of knows, 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:33.880 you know. I was really interested in how he would 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.439 have viewed Ostiola. And then we found Jake Tiger this 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:41.400 young young guy in Oklahoma, which was a great help. 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:46.560 But Patricia Wickman, she's retired and was like Josh Spilmmaker, 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.080 helped me a lot on this one. She was very 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.240 difficult to find. She's not she's not in. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.439 The Yeah she correct an person. 0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:01.600 Yeah, yeah, man. She totally is like she she she. 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:06.840 Reprimanded you, like twice. She was put your drink on 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:09.720 the coaster. I was like, all right, mom. I felt 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.159 like it hit me hard, you know. 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:14.320 I was like, yeah, well, I was the only reason 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.040 I could share that with the world. That section was 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:21.040 because of how wonderful lady she was. She she was 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:25.120 so excited that that I was there. But I really 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.400 appreciate that kind of frank, don't do that. 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:33.000 Don't do that, no problem, it's man, yeah, take your 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:33.920 shoes off at the door. 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.560 I said it. I said it, and I meant it. 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:42.840 I interview a ton of people, and of all different 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.760 types of people, she was, and I'll go ahead and 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:52.879 say it, the most passionate, knowledgeable and able to communicate 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.240 about her sphere of expertise than anybody I've ever dolt. 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.360 And she's she's been retired for years. I don't want 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:05.280 to say how old she is, but well I better 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.520 not do that. She's retired. So but I mean just 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:14.800 sharpest attack, and and I'm still a little bit nervous 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.760 about like how I did, Like we kind of had 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.280 to convince her that we were going to handle this 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.360 story with hair and she was very concerned about us 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:28.720 getting it right, you know. And so but she was 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.560 a wonderful, wonderful lady. And we'll be hearing from her 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.240 on the lat in the next two episodes. I'll go 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.600 ahead and foreshadow a bit. So this the second podcast 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.680 is basically going to be about the war years of Osceola, 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.200 when he actually retreated into Florida and all the stuff 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:48.560 they did was just wild. The the third episode is 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.320 gonna be about I usually don't do this, Rich doing 0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:55.440 this for you for me because you're the world's fittest athlete. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:26:01.879 For formally, uh, We're gonna do a whole podcast on 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.159 Ossio's death, Yeah, because. 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.960 Like the what the aftermath and or just the was 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.800 all kinds of like conspiracy behind it or. 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:14.000 Let me just I want to give give spiel like 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:16.480 I did you yesterday at dinner, give him a little bit, 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.640 just a little bit Ostiola was he went, he ended 0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:21.800 up going to prison. He was tricked by the American 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:25.199 government and captured and went to prison. While he was 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:36.359 in prison, WHI, no, we can't go down mouse yet. Uh. 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.920 He was. He was in prison in South Carolina and 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.840 they took him to a play in Charleston, like a 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.280 like a like a Broadway play. And when he went 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:49.840 into the play, he was view he's a prisoner of 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.679 they they took him in into the play, no, to 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.440 watch the play, and when he was there, they applauded him. 0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:01.480 This is Ossio, the great King, you know, the great 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.320 war leader of the Seminoles were actively in war. It 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.720 would be like us taken, you know, in the nineties, 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:11.880 taking Saddam Hussein and out of prison to go watch 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.760 a Broadway play in the American public going we love 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.840 this guy. Really yeah, so weird because he was a 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.280 he was a global you had global fame. And and 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.760 that to me points back to what I tried to 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.960 paint a picture of is how the American public viewed 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.360 these Native American leaders, which is such. 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.760 A weird philosopher, weird money. 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.639 We needed to get rid of them, take their land, 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:41.080 do whatever it took to displace them. But we we like, 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.240 you know, handle it. We treated him like like comic 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:50.000 book characters, you know, like mythical creatures, and which is 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:54.160 so wild. And then maybe that's all I should give. 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:58.919 But he ends up dying in prison, and and to 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:03.840 this day there is still an ongoing search for Osciola's head. 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:05.560 That's all I'm gonna say. 0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.480 You're talking about the portraits to the artists that would 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:10.159 stack up. 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:11.919 Yeah, yeah, I kind of mentioned it. Yeah, when he 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:16.760 was in prison, you know, the the the currency of 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.600 the day for people to engage, you know, visually, they 0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.360 didn't have photographer, theyd have video, but people painted portraits 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:26.520 like it was big time. You would have portraits painted 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.280 of your family and your grandfathers, and that's all they had. 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.200 And I mean yeah, the greatest artists in the country 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.480 flocked to South Carolina to that prison to paint Osciola. 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.760 In the last days of his life, he spent modeling. 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.480 He would put on his best clothes and all his 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.800 accouterments and all he had all kind of little things 0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:49.920 that he wore, big ostrich plume and uh and he 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:54.560 literally George Catlan finished that most famous painting that I 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.920 put on Instagram two days before Osceola died in prison. 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.560 Really yeah, and that type of behavior, it's just it 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.080 seems like they knew they were a part of a 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.200 like a big part of history in the moment. I 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:09.760 think sometimes we don't do that right now, but like 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.719 to take him and be detached enough to take him 0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:16.680 to a play to show off to everybody is saying like, 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.960 this guy is going to be living infamy forever, right, 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.520 He's a part of our history. And it's still he's 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:24.560 still alive, it's still happening. And then he got all 0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.320 those painters that are like, this is happening now. I 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.720 think we lose sight of that a little bit right now, right, Yeah, 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.320 it's just super interesting. 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.200 Yeah, and he was only thirty four years old, and 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.760 he didn't look sick in that picture either, and then 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:39.120 he died. 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:43.640 I noticed that, right though. Yeah it was a painting. 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:48.520 It wasn't, you know, make me look good. It made 0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:49.080 me look good. 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.840 So so what I'll I think, what the way we'll 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.720 we'll talk about this is, uh, I just kind of 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.160 go around and just tell me what stood out to you, 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.480 like just what was interesting or or maybe why you 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:05.000 didn't know or how much you knew about Osceola before 0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.840 or talk about my guests. You know Sterling Harjoe. Would 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.560 would you have known who Sterling Harjoe was? Okay, I didn't. 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:16.360 I didn't really give him a proper introduction. Sterling Harjoe 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:20.880 is a is A is a filmmaker. He just was 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:25.920 nominated for is it an Emmy? 0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:26.959 Like? 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.800 He's a he is a up and coming he just 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:35.040 got a big time award in the in the It 0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:38.280 wasn't an Emmy. Yeah, he's a cool guy, so he 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.760 he was, Uh, but it was cool hearing him. But anyway, Hunter, 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:42.640 what stood out to you? 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:47.520 I mean, I'd probably say getting pushed out of Alabama 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:53.080 during the Muskogee uh Creek era and and and just 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:57.800 what was going through their minds and in the establishment 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:03.680 and how things were set up, what to Kompsa's influence 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:04.440 and things like that. 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:05.200 Wasn't that cool? 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:09.600 Yeah? You know you kind of wish you knew somehow, 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.160 like did these paths cross? 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:11.520 Yeah? 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.400 Yeah, you know, you have no way of I guess 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:19.120 really knowing. But now and again the short timeline. He 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.959 died at thirty four, he goes there at ten, So 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:28.840 you're looking at a very small window of what brought 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:29.840 him to popularity. 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:34.680 Well, I think what isn't really even debatable is that 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.080 his family was heavily influenced by Takumsa. They would have 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.200 been in his presence and heard to comes to speak. Yeah, 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.920 and then these are the people that went and raised Osil, 0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:50.000 you know. So like whether he would have even seen Osill, 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:51.240 I mean, he would have been like if he was 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.000 born in eighteen oh four, which they really don't even 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:54.560 know for sure if that's when he was born. But 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.560 if he was born in eighteen oh four to come 0:31:57.640 --> 0:31:59.760 to for sure came in eighteen eleven, so he would 0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.280 have been like seven years old, is that right, Yeah, 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:07.720 seven years old. He would have just been a du Yeah. 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.080 Yeah, yeah. He might have squirrels, you know. 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.520 Yeah exactly. He would have known something happened was happening. 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.680 That was cool, Yeah, but he wouldn't have been paying attention. 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.640 Brains not processing in that at that situe. 0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:23.600 Well nowadays, but that uh, I almost had my wife 0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.720 as a little insert guest, but it was a little 0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.600 too deep of a rabbit hole. Misty. She studies a 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.400 lot about human development and child development, and there was 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.280 this big research project that just came out that highlighted 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.880 the ages of nine to thirteen as the most important 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:45.560 years for long term identity. And what they did was 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:55.080 they there was a study about Japanese kids, and they 0:32:55.240 --> 0:33:00.640 raised people that had Japanese parents in America until the 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.440 age of nine, and then their family moved back to Japan, 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:12.480 and those kids, as they grew up, viewed themselves as Japanese. Okay, 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.720 the other set of the of the of the test, 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:20.240 the test was there were the family kids that were 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:23.560 raised in Japan from the age of zero to nine 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.080 and then they moved to America from the ages of 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:32.760 nine to thirteen, and those kids viewed themselves as Americans. 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.920 Do you see because like kids are now, you know, 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:41.440 like yeah, like law, they right now are just trying 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.840 to figure who am I? You know, They're just like 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:51.239 shut shut. So my wife told me about that, and 0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.200 I was going to have her on to tell that story. 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.680 But it was super fascinating because you wouldn't think that 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.400 would You would think the kids that were born in 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.840 Japan and lived there till there were nine would be 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:06.440 considered themselves Japanese for the rest of their life. But 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.560 it was it was actually opposite of that because that 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:10.880 so so Osceola would have been. 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:12.920 Yeah, that he too. 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:17.480 He was in the fire years of their family, implementing 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:20.480 that Nativist revival of like we got to get rid 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:24.520 of all this European influence. But all that stuff is 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.880 so fascinating and I love it when we bring in 0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.640 back up a Bear Grease Hall of Famer. So rich 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.839 we have a we have a legitimate bear Grease Hall 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.759 of Fame. We're actually we haven't. We haven't done a 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:40.320 Hall of Fame induction in two years. Who were about 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:44.520 to start the last one would have been, Uh, that's 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.399 a good question. The Halt Caller. Yeah, I think guy 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:51.839 named Halt Collier from Mississippi. The Beargreas Hall of Fame 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.759 is interesting that some living guys that are still alive 0:34:54.840 --> 0:35:00.560 today and then some historical characters like Daniel Boone Halt Callier. Uh, 0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.879 Tacumsa is a bear Grease Hall of Famer, but it's 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:09.000 also uh speaking of Tennessee, my dear dear friend Roy 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.360 Clark in East Tennessee Laurel Mountain plots, he's he's still 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.560 my daughter hunted with them last week. But uh, anyway, 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.200 we're about to the next time we get the regular 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.000 render crew together. We're actually going to do a new 0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.560 Bear Grease induction. We're gonna have a you have. 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.799 A vote on the show where you just say, hey, 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:30.040 we're doing we have it, we have it. 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:35.560 Well, I call it's very formal, very formal, and I 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.560 called to you know, I put the nominations on the 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.400 table and then then we vote. But it's kind of 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.920 got to be the people that are regularly because you know, 0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.000 I don't know where Josh stands on some of this stuff. 0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:57.880 Losing you know, we can't have him, and then. 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:01.760 You pick your jury. 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:07.600 All of course, we always we always say it, ma'ham 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:08.800 at state run media, we can. 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.480 Put out whatever we want. 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:15.160 Yeah, nor Frank exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So we are going 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.040 to have a new induction at some point in the 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:22.200 next two months, so be ready for that. Okay, uh, Josh, 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:23.399 what's what's that to you? Man? 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.799 Something we talked about and it's super unfortunate, but just 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.719 for one that their history is not necessarily written, right, 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:36.480 it's it's spoken. So for one, you don't know, stories 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:40.640 get twisted tradition, you know, And what's super unfortunate about 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:43.279 it is all history that is written. You usually have 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:45.799 a winner side and a loser side. Right, there's two 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:50.440 different I'm glad I went first. We've talked about a lot, 0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.279 but there's two different sides of it, and that perspective 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.160 is always going to be different. So for really just 0:36:56.480 --> 0:37:00.480 all Native Americans, we we have the story is that 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.319 we don't know if it's one hundred percent accurate, and 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.640 then we have this other side, which is a totally 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.680 different perspective, you know. So just to hear this and 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.279 then she was an expert on it, and just to 0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:14.360 hear you know, just yeah, it was really cool to 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:17.120 hear that, because you don't know. You hear things and 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.719 you say, well, you see that, but then you you 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:22.239 read something else. So uh, it was super cool just 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:23.920 to kind of hear that side of it. 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:24.239 Man. 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:29.719 The analogy that we use to describe, you know, I 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:33.600 thought it was pretty pretty powerful, and and I use 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:35.719 that analogy on myself. I mean, I'm the one who 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.279 said it, but I was thinking about it, like what 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:42.240 if somebody from another place did not speak my language, 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.160 just observed my life for however long, and then they 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.040 were the ones that wrote the history books about me 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.520 and told about my motivations and what I did. But 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:53.400 then they also wanted my land. 0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:54.440 It's called social media. 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:59.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's just like how accurate 0:37:59.080 --> 0:37:59.560 could it be? 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.719 Well to that? To double down on Josh's point, it's 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.000 like as you were saying, you got the Florida seminoles 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:12.200 have one thought in view versus say the ones in Oklahoma, Yeah, 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:15.880 saying completely different things. So not only is it already 0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:19.359 not written, but you've got fractions of that. 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.960 Even in the written stuff, you got fractions because you 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.680 have a use today's perspectives. You have a right and 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.520 a left, and so like if you read one side, 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:33.000 it's so tough. Yeah, and so think about adding two 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.480 hundred years to that. Like when they read about what's 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.880 going on now, you know, like who are they reading? 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:42.120 Yeah yeah yeah, That's what I like to do on 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.000 these is just there's no answer, but just it like 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:49.360 makes you makes you think about it from just a 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.759 different perspective. You know, you're just a little more empathetic 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.520 towards people, you know when you because I think one 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:58.040 thing that that's what interests me is looking at a 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:01.160 story that from one person spective to another could be 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.960 completely different, and both side says a story are right, yep, 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.480 Like there you know, are are good people have the 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:11.920 right motivation, but like, the perspective on the story completely 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.200 changes the way you see it. So it's like I'm 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:17.799 sitting here from this chair as an Arkansas Razorback fan 0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:22.480 and uh and knowing that I'm right, knowing that my 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:27.000 team's the best team, but it's possible that somebody could 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:29.239 have a different view that would be equal to mine. 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:40.520 It's really weird to me, but and more correct, what 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:41.919 rich what stood out to you? 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:42.200 Man? 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.040 I've got so I'm we were talking yesterday. I've I've 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:46.759 got a weird not a weird, but I have an 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.840 American history obsession. So I started reading the O'Reilly killing 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.279 books and one of them is killing Crazy Horse, And 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.279 so it goes through it does it's not just about 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.759 kill a crazy horse, because he's kind of towards the 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.399 end of what we'll say, at the eradication of Native 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.360 Americans throughout the country. So but it goes you know, 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.520 geographical section bisection and I'm sure and I don't remember 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.280 because it's been a while since I read about Osciola 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.200 was in there, I'm sure. And so you have that perspective, right, 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:12.960 And so it paints Andrew Jackson is this villain, right? 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.399 You know, he was this terrible, awful human being. 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.160 Well, then now I have this through reading those books, 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.920 I have this, all right, I'm gonna read a biography 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:24.400 on every US president and so when I get to Jackson, 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:27.400 I have this kind of like bad taste. And I 0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:30.719 read that book and I'm like, from his perspective, and 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.360 I'm just putting this as me putting my viewpoint on 0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:39.360 from reading the book, God, Family Country, and I'm like, 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:41.439 that aligns with my views. 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:42.440 You know, did he do it right? 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:45.520 Absolutely not. But it's it goes back to that perspective 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:49.960 of like who's telling the story right? And and you know, 0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:52.080 you look at today, right, and we have this crazy 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:54.080 election coming up. We won't get political, but it's like 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:58.000 there's two sides to every story, and there's bits on 0:40:58.080 --> 0:40:59.959 both sides that are right, and there's bits on both 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.080 eyes that are wrong. Yeah, and so man, it is 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.480 so when we're you know, you're listening to her, You're like, yeah, 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.399 this is you know, like I'm behind this. And then 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.680 I step back and I read from Andrew. Now it 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.040 wasn't even Andrew Jackson's perspective. It was a third party. 0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:11.680 But you're just like. 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:14.120 That's I believe in a lot of those. 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:18.919 So it's so hard to then one hundred two hundred 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:23.279 years ago have that different and so it's just so hard, right, 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:25.240 you know, you just come off Columbus Day and everybody's 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:29.000 politics on that and you're just like, hey, history is rough, 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.120 you know, and in both sides there's bad and there's. 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.160 Good, right, and it's and it places that importance on 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.040 like who's telling this story telling the story because like 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.920 doctor Wickman, you know, her passion behind it kind of 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:46.520 sort of came yeah, exactly. So whether it's Ossiola or 0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:50.200 somebody else, it's when you get that passionate storyteller behind 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:51.520 it starts to skew you. 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.200 That's why history is so important. 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.040 You know, there was whole cancel every history everywhere, and 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.239 you're like, nah, man, we need to like we need 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.960 to have some perspective, not believe everything we read obviously, like, 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.800 but it's just it's it's history is important. 0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:09.600 Yeah, there's a This will be on one of the 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.920 next episodes. But I had an interesting little section of 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:18.960 conversation with Sterling Harjoe, who is a Seminole creek in Oklahoma, 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:28.560 and basically he started talking about the conflicted position that 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.160 he has. He's like, man, I love America. I mean, 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:37.360 he he's the he's more American than me. He's like, 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.960 he loves America. But he's like, but it's kind of 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:45.880 weird because America literally tried to kill every member of 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.480 my all my ancestors, like wanted them dead. 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:50.759 In different ways too, you know. 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.160 And and and so he's like, and here we are 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.160 in schools like pledge and allegiance to the flag. And 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.440 he's like, I was, it's always kind of weird to me. 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.840 But he had such a what when you hear it, 0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:06.319 it's real interesting because he's not he is not he's 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:11.439 not embittered or anything. He yeah, but it's still very real. 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.800 I mean even today inside the tribes, I mean sometimes 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.080 it's like, man, that stuff happened so long ago. That's 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:17.959 a long time ago. 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:18.640 Man. 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:23.600 The tribes in Oklahoma are well, it's not even it's 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:26.080 not even they're not even looking back on fresh stuff 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.160 or you know, the old stuff they're looking back on. 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:33.520 And I certainly don't speak for them, but just today 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:39.120 struggles with their sovereignty, like because it's a real weird situation, 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:42.359 unique situation in Oklahoma, where there's I don't know how 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.200 many different sovereign nations there are in Oklahoma. Are you're 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.680 driving to Oklahoma, you're driving into a different country. 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.239 Aren't they trying to sue for some land too? There 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:53.160 was something going on. 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.480 There's a lot always going on over there. 0:43:55.560 --> 0:44:00.760 Yeah, I think it shows man, Uh Like it depends 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:02.920 on how far back in history you look. Like his 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.359 sentiment about pledging allegiance to the flag, then like, let's 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.560 take into consideration why all of us are here right 0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.520 now and making the jump across the pond, and what 0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:13.600 was going on over there, and we were trying to 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:16.120 get away from people doing to us what we ended 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.200 up doing to other people. And it's just like you 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.520 can keep doing that all the way back to the 0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.840 first couple of hundred people that were here, right, And 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.160 it's just there's always somebody trying to take what they 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.359 don't have, and there's always somebody giving it up. 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.200 But that's just the way that history works, right, It 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:33.600 just keeps rolling. Yeah. 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.240 It doesn't make it good, No, it doesn't make it better, 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:38.280 It doesn't make it easier, but it's important. 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.080 It is a reality of history. 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.280 Yeah, Brent's out to you. 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:42.960 I liked it. 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:47.600 You know, forever in history books and movies or whatever, 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.000 Native Americans were portrayed as savages, and that's what they 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:52.080 were referred to as. 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:53.920 That they had enough. 0:44:55.520 --> 0:45:00.759 Sense and enough self awareness to know that they could 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:04.080 just settle dispute on the battlefield, or they could settle 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:08.680 dispute on the ball field. And they and they played 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:10.760 that game, and then there may have been some folks 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:13.960 that died in it, which is unfortunate. But I mean, 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:18.600 I mean, that's really taking one for the team, lit literally, 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.560 but they're they're setting settling disputes like that back then, 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:27.160 instead of wiping out whole communities, they settled it there. 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:29.200 And if we're going. 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:34.080 By that, that creed that example that they that they did, 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.080 I guess we now own Tennessee. 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:47.120 This is now Arkansas. I was watching how I Am 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:51.040 the Captain? Look at me? So when lu wins today, 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.280 then that we. 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.759 But that was that was really interesting to me, that 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.360 that was that far back that they had enough foresight 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.000 to think, you know, we're we're wasting each other. But 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:08.000 if we're going to if we're going to douke it out, 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.920 and there's no getting around it, let's let's play this game. 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:12.520 Yeah there was. 0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.560 Doctor Wickman talked about that a little bit more that 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:17.719 I just didn't have time to put on there. But 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.799 uh that game was called some of them called it 0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:25.560 the Little Brother of War. That was what they referred 0:46:25.560 --> 0:46:31.760 to describe it was. It was almost in these conversations. 0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:34.239 I love it because a lot of times there's just 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.880 this little little tangent that I didn't see coming. And 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:38.920 that was one of She wasn't even wanting to talk 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:40.839 about ball She was wanting to talk about how they 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:46.120 didn't have long term cities built like they were nomadic, 0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.759 and she was using an example and said, when they 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.640 get when a ballpole gets struck, they'll move then never 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.200 go back. And then I was like, wait a minute, 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.120 what's a ballpole? And then she kind of went into that, 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.200 But uh so I don't actually don't know what it 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:03.560 was or how they I think. 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.160 That's important to the story though, because you know, to 0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.520 his perspective, us saying savages or hearing savages. 0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:09.080 When you're growing up or whatever. 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:12.440 You know, it's not as common now, but that's shows 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.840 you one way, they weren't savage, So it's almost like it, 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.799 you know, it would have been cool you know, I'll 0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:21.400 google it. I'm sure we can find it out o somebody. 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.200 There's a Wikipedia about it somewhere a bit. 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:27.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Geatt, what's stood out to you? 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:32.320 And uh, I'd love to give you like some romantic, 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:33.520 nuanced perspective. 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:35.200 I've been thinking about it. 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:39.640 But probably one of my takeaways, Uh, I have been 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:42.239 listening to John Anderson for a long time and had 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.799 no idea what that song was talking about or who 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:49.920 he was with Ossiola, Like I've I've I've sang that 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:50.840 part of the song. 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:54.880 You know, heard Ossiola Crome. No, I just you know, never. 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.240 When you said yesterday, hey, listen the podcast for tomorrow, 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:04.000 I was like, oh, cool, it's about the history of 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:04.799 that Turkey or. 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:08.160 All right, learn something that's cool. 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.440 Yeah, it's just I mean sometimes we're singing songs we 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:14.680 don't know what we're talking about, and I'm from Montana 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.440 to we Got Power like two years ago. 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:19.160 Thank you, I have internet. 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:22.080 That's a new release for you. You just heard it. 0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.480 That's right, Yeah, yeah, that's right. 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.879 Actually right here, right here, come on, come on, come on, 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:39.120 oh look at that spiral it back. Here's the interesting 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:45.719 behind the scenes. Oftentimes I will well let me go 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.000 back even further. Garrett told me that a lot of 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:52.320 big time Instagram or YouTubers will will think about the 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:56.319 thumbnail of the YouTube video, maybe even before they make 0:48:56.360 --> 0:49:01.040 the make the video. I that song is what made 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:05.279 me want to do as I just it was such 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:07.320 powerful imagery. I did know it was a person I 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:09.799 knew as a seminole leader. That's about all I would 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.680 have known. And I was just like, man if John 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:17.640 Anderson said the ghost of Ostiola was crying, there's a 0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:18.480 story back. 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.239 There, and and Rich just thought that John Anderson was 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:22.759 really in touch with how Turkey's felt. 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:24.640 Yeah. 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:29.719 Sure, And so that was the spark point. And I 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:33.920 kind of envisioned like using that song because I'm really 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:38.320 interested in where some of this, whether it's hunting or 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:43.200 or in this case, just kind of unique history touches 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:47.840 mainstream like pop culture. That's interesting to me. And so 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:50.160 you know that we're still talking about Ostiola. But the 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:54.439 Decompass series I would not have known much about to come, 0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:58.760 anything about Tucumps nothing. And I was reading a book 0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.120 and it it's set and it talked about this this 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:07.319 Shawnee leader and that his name meant panther crossing the sky. 0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:10.480 And when I when I when I heard what his 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:13.120 name meant. And on the night to comes was born, 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:17.400 a comet flashed across the sky. That's that's the lore 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.160 of to Compson's birth. And they called him Panther crossing 0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:26.920 the sky. Well his yeah, his brother, but his brother 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:31.399 was also a major political well he was a more 0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:34.719 of a religious leg yeah, squad. But when I heard 0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:37.879 about Panther crossing the sky, I was like, I'm gonna 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.120 learn about that guy. And then he ends up, you know, 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.640 I mean, it's just such a fascinating story of who 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:45.319 comes to was what did y'all think about, Uh, the 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:49.680 all the other Bear Grease characters coming into play, Crockett 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:54.759 and then to comes to and then then Boone, what 0:50:54.800 --> 0:51:00.000 did y'all think? Well, triggered, he was triggered. 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:03.320 Triggered, you go triggered, it was triggered. 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:07.120 Uh do you think Boone had a Shawnee wife? Do 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:08.280 you remember the series? 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:08.839 Oh? 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:12.719 Yeah, zero documentation this much. 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:15.600 I mean, I think she brings a lot of really 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:17.439 good points that it just it wasn't a thing. 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:19.720 She was confident that it was that it happened. 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.680 Oh, I know when that when that's when that came up. 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:24.839 I remember this, and you can go back and listen 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:28.000 to that render. Man, you jumped all over me for saying, Man, 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:29.640 that's probably just the way it was back then. 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.200 You're like, no, No, he was a he was a 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:35.800 religious man. He wouldn't he wouldn't do that. And I thought, then, man. 0:51:35.640 --> 0:51:39.279 You are a product of your Listen a minute, you 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:43.399 are a product of your environment. And it very well 0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:47.040 could have been not absolutely not abnormal at all to 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:49.520 do that, And it could have been a position to 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:53.440 where he was it not being abnormal, and also it 0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.400 could have been something that fit him into that community 0:51:56.480 --> 0:51:57.920 to be it. 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:02.160 Let me know what alexis think about your doctrine, because listen. 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.719 That ain't gonna fly, that ain't going to wash well. 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.160 But listen, listen, this is what I was thinking, and 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.040 and this is I can just tell you this is 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:16.560 true if I'm captured by some foreign army and the 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:20.160 only way for Clay Newcombe sitting today married to Misty 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.720 Newcomb with the value system that I have, the kids 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:24.920 that I have, the lifestyle that I have, the biblical 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.880 doctrine that I have. No, it's not it's the same. 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.479 And you say, you got to take this woman or die. 0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:35.960 I'm gonna be like, dude, let's go. I'm out. Just 0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:36.439 I'm out. 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:40.520 That's today, and I'm the same way change. I understand. 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:46.000 Oh come on now, it absolutely didn't. It's the same 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:49.040 today yesterday. I mean, I'm just kidding. 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:52.759 My point is A is A. I think the point 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:58.759 is strong is that like it if his he I'm 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:00.880 not saying he had the same belief system is me. 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:02.880 You have to you have to put yourself. You got 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:06.040 to tell the story right, that's what you would do exactly. 0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:08.000 You don't know what Daniel Boone did, but he's the 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:09.040 same as Daniel Boone. 0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:13.120 That's that's where I'm getting passionate about defense of Boone's character. 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.640 I think if you put Osceola in prison and you 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.520 you told him to defy his culture at a very 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:23.600 base level, he would have said, I ain't doing it. 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.120 I'm dying. That's what he said. That's what he did. 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:28.320 That's what it comes to. I mean, like people that 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:32.879 have a rock hard value sism that's connected to their 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:39.080 culture will die for it. Garrett, I think he absolutely 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:39.400 did it. 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:46.160 Yeah, man, well, I think it's a it was a 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.240 different time. I know, you have like a very strong 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:51.960 value system and that's been shaped by the world that 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:54.560 you've lived in from the time you were born until now. 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:58.640 And I think trying to insert yourself, like if you 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:02.239 took that same narrative of what it was, five or 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:05.959 seven out of the first nine presidents owned slaves, right, Okay, 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:09.160 would you own a slave right now? But do you 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:13.920 think George Washington share like had a different value system 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:15.440 than you did foundationally? 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:17.880 Right? And so I think it's like really hard to 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:19.600 say that product daytime. 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:21.480 That Daniel Boone from the time he was born to 0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:25.160 going and being inserted in that tribe would have made 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.800 him not assimilate or do something like that. 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.919 I just don't think we could say that he would. 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:33.080 That's a good that's a good point. 0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:34.760 Where was he from nine to thirteen? 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:36.160 Good point? 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.360 He was a pan That's what I got from this 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:40.080 whole podcast. 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:45.040 No, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you saying. 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:47.640 I think it's just a fun like mental. 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:49.520 Health and you've seen it with people. I mean, people 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:51.759 do fall, right, so we are people. 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:54.759 Yeah, you can't put it not to trigger you any further, Clay, 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.160 but I've seen some and I've seen it personally. Just 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:02.839 people strong in their faith make bad decisions. So who knows. 0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:05.760 Yeah, and we don't really know a lot about about 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:10.520 Boon's Boon's faith. But just just the assumption if you 0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:14.440 were well, just the assumption that because it was the 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:17.000 the trend of the time, that you would do it, 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.440 I think is unfair. Yeah, that's all. 0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:19.960 That's all. 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:26.120 That's all. Okay, Now, how much time or where we at? 0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:28.359 I have no concept of time. I mean, how long 0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:28.960 we've been going. 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:33.640 We're blown over by two hours technically, but you. 0:55:33.719 --> 0:55:38.080 Know, oh we always go over an hour. We're good, 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:38.719 We're good. 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:40.600 I'm not worried about it. 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.520 No, No, I just wanted to make sure we had 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:44.799 been going, like an hour and a half. 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:52.120 Okay, push cord yet again? Do it again? Hey, can 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:53.800 we do this whole conversation but condensed? 0:55:54.160 --> 0:56:01.520 Yeah, just as natural? But oh wow, yep, oh it was. 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.000 It was interesting to me too. So we we did 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:09.239 a big series on Crockett and uh Crockett, who was? 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:15.600 Who was? You know, it's so not politically correct to 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.520 like say this, but he was known as an Indian hunter, 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.879 you know, which is a wild thing to say and think. 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:24.600 But like at that time, that's what people became known for. 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:30.320 Political figures like would get known in these wars against 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:33.840 Native Americans and would gain clout and status and whatnot. 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.239 He was known as a kind of known as an 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.960 Indian hunter. But he actually wasn't like today. If you 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.239 I bet if you pulled a bunch of people here, now, 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:43.279 these people would know who Crockett is because we're in 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:43.840 we're in. 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:46.239 The end zone. 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.960 But Crockett, he did fight in the Red Stick War, 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:54.359 so he fought against the Creeks under and Uh under 0:56:54.400 --> 0:57:01.640 Andrew Jackson. And but that incident of watching that really 0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:05.399 impacted him for the rest of his life. He would 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.480 not eat potatoes. That's that was what was said. But 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.560 then you know, he recounted in his autobiography about how 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.200 like he wasn't cool with that. And then later in 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:16.280 his political career when it had been would have been 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.680 very advantageous for him to side with Andrew Jackson and everything, 0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:24.680 he vehemently opposed the Indian Removal Act and then even 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:28.880 saying I'm doing this so that in the looking there 0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:32.120 at that blue tick dog, that's not the real smoky. 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:32.400 Is it. 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:35.760 Pampered somewhere? 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:37.480 I bet nice looking bluetick. 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:38.840 You know. 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:42.439 He said so in the in in Judgment day, I'm 0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:46.640 found on the right side, which was a pretty progressive 0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:51.920 position because I mean, obviously most of America was okay 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:54.880 with this and was behind it, you know, And it 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:58.080 probably was one of those social deals that if you 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.240 went and talked to an individual and so, hey, what 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.160 do you think about us moving all these people out 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.760 of their home and sending them they might have said, man, 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.640 it's kind of sad. But then it's like, but what 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.720 what's your stance on the political part of it? It 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:15.320 would have been like, well, I kind of want to 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:16.840 live in Alabama, you know. 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:17.520 Yep. 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:21.040 I mean it's it's one of those deals where they're. 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.520 The human side of it, probably detached a little bit 0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:24.520 from the political side of it. 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:26.000 Yeah, a lot like today. 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:30.440 And I think Crockett he saw those people, yeah, getting 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:33.520 killed and then and then he did he did have rapport. 0:58:33.320 --> 0:58:35.680 With what's perspective too, Like he was in it. He 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:36.680 saw the suffering. 0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:38.560 When you're detached from it and you don't see that, 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:40.760 you don't see that stuff every day. You're like a 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:42.320 that doesn't happen, It's not. 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:44.880 Everything changes once it becomes personal once it's real. 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:47.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:49.520 A lot different written on you know in the newspaper. 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.840 Oh yeah, you're like, oh, there's no human aspect of it. 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:52.880 You know, you just read over it. 0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:55.840 It's just a headline or it's just a something you 0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.080 see and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's that's ridiculous. 0:58:58.080 --> 0:58:59.680 And then when you see it in person, you see 0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:03.560 the you're like, oh, dang, yeah, there's a human side 0:59:03.560 --> 0:59:03.720 to it. 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:04.120 Well. 0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:08.400 I felt like that was a redemptive moment in Crockett's life, 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:11.520 and it's it's actually what spurred him to go to 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:15.800 Texas because he didn't get re elected because of that, 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.920 partly because of that position in his stance against Andrew Jackson, 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:22.880 and he was kind of ticked off and was like, 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:25.520 you know what, I'm going to Texas. And he goes 0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:27.680 down to Texas and dies. We were three months in 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:32.200 the Alamo. But I also thought about I almost didn't 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.840 put that story in the podcast, and I'll tell you why. 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:38.640 I knew that a lot of my Seminole Native American 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:42.840 friends were going to listen to this, and I thought about, like, 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:48.160 what if we told a story about your family, they 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:52.480 got something like very gruesome and dark. You know. We 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:55.760 it's so easy for us to because here I am 0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:58.320 almost saying, like telling this story and at the end 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:01.840 there was something positive, which I saying. This ended up 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:04.960 being a place where Crockett kind of redeemed himself in 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:10.840 my mind his stance on removal, and like, I bet 1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:12.680 if they were talking about my family, I would be like, 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:17.280 that's a pretty nice spin. Yeah you see what I'm saying. Yeah, 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:22.000 for sure, so I'm conscious of that kind of stuff. 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:26.920 But it But anyway, so will we hear any of 1:00:27.000 --> 1:00:29.680 those same guests in part two all. 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:32.960 And there'll be a new guest at some point. It 1:00:33.040 --> 1:00:33.920 was going to be a new guy. 1:00:34.360 --> 1:00:37.160 The level of editing was impressive, like that you had 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:39.200 to go to all these different places and then intertact 1:00:39.280 --> 1:00:42.040 that that was that was way above my pay grade. 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.720 But my podcast, I'm like, nah, dude, hits starting when 1:00:44.760 --> 1:00:46.720 it's about an hour and a half, we're done, you know, I. 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:47.840 Mean, that was that was impressive. 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:51.000 But the audience probably doesn't realize with Clay is when 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:53.840 like some people will just have a mission of getting 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:56.760 a podcast and they start on one day and end 1:00:56.840 --> 1:01:00.240 on the next day and then that's the podcast play 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:06.160 will go months getting feedback and and sound bites about 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:09.960 multiple podcasts he has in his mind from different people 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:12.920 and different guests, and then it all comes together like this, 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:15.920 and it's it is intensive. I've never seen and I'm 1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:17.960 just gonna toot your horn for a little bit. I 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:19.760 have never seen a podcast host. 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:21.919 Sorry, I know, I don't. 1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:25.200 I've never seen a podcast host. They'll take more personal 1:01:25.280 --> 1:01:29.080 ownership in the edit and splicing together of a podcast 1:01:29.400 --> 1:01:30.520 than Clay Like it is. 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:32.680 It's really cool to watch. 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:36.880 Yeah, I appreciate it man now. And and that's where 1:01:37.040 --> 1:01:43.240 I'm grateful to. Uh, just having the opportunity to dedicate 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:46.280 this much time. I mean, like, imagine if you were 1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:50.280 working nine to five stock and groceries. 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:52.120 And then and then had to train, did that early on, 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:54.120 not stocking groceries, but yeah, it was hard. 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.600 You wake up everything you think about training. 1:01:57.360 --> 1:01:58.520 I think about it. 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:00.880 I get to wake up every day and think about 1:02:01.040 --> 1:02:04.320 content for the most part, you know, and uh, it 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:09.880 shows like it's yeah, well, and and telling these stories 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:13.240 has been I love it. I really do love it. 1:02:13.480 --> 1:02:16.160 Did she go on? You know, she talked about that 1:02:16.320 --> 1:02:19.320 figurine that her friend found in Belgium that was made 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:22.840 in Italy. She going any more like off camera about 1:02:22.960 --> 1:02:28.680 like his world renowned popularity other than just. 1:02:30.960 --> 1:02:34.480 Not really not really. I mean there you start looking 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:37.440 around and you see a lot of stuff, not just 1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:41.440 from Osceola, but just like Native American kind of totems 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:45.840 and different parts and just all over. It's all over, yeah, everywhere. 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:53.440 But we are going to talk about the Florida State Seminoles, 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:56.040 you know, being a college football. 1:02:56.440 --> 1:02:57.920 Act as a mascot. 1:02:58.080 --> 1:02:58.240 Yeah. 1:02:58.280 --> 1:02:59.640 Yeah, they're pretty passionate about it too. 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:03.760 Yeah. Yeah, there's there's a pretty interesting story there. But uh, 1:03:05.040 --> 1:03:09.439 well man again, we're in uh, we're in Knoxville. Game 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:10.760 is gonna start here in a little bit. 1:03:11.560 --> 1:03:17.640 I got something for you, okay, James, Peter, Nancy, Paulie 1:03:18.000 --> 1:03:19.400 William we didn't do trivia. 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:21.240 Oh my god. 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:23.560 Now now you just have to ask what is that. 1:03:26.360 --> 1:03:30.800 I can't believe speed trivia a right. The first person 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:35.160 to spout it off wins. I can't believe I always 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:40.000 do this. I gotta have somebody keeping me on track. Trivia, Okay, 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:42.880 whoever gets the most points and just whoever I says 1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:45.240 gets the point get the point? No, no, hassling. 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:45.960 Okay. 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:46.960 Number one. 1:03:47.480 --> 1:03:49.240 What Spanish word cimarron? 1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:53.840 One point? You keep you keep your own score. The 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:58.360 question was what Spanish words is the name seminole taken 1:03:58.480 --> 1:04:05.080 from cimarron means wild ones. It's pretty cool. Number two Okay, 1:04:05.680 --> 1:04:08.400 Josh Bilmaker made these questions that I think he made 1:04:08.480 --> 1:04:11.800 him for, like his like young kids. They're pretty They're 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:14.400 pretty basic. I was looking for, Josh, I was looking 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:19.400 for something a little more from Okay, where was the 1:04:19.480 --> 1:04:23.880 Ostiola statue gifted to doctor Patricia Wickman purchased and made 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:29.920 from where Italy? Okay was happy Belgium. Somebody put those 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:33.440 two together. Okay, point Josh. 1:04:34.600 --> 1:04:37.200 Well he was asking about it. I feel like these 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:38.600 are unfair. He already knows them all. 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:40.919 Well, okay, you get that point, you get the point 1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:46.480 one to one. Coach number three, Okay, now this one. 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:49.840 Just raise your hand and I'll call on you. Okay, 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:55.000 who can give a decent explanation of the genealogy of 1:04:55.080 --> 1:04:59.840 Ostiola leading to his English name? Which was so the answer? 1:05:00.160 --> 1:05:04.440 Hold his English name and the genealogy, Garrett, do you 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:05.040 have an answer? 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:06.960 Billy Powell? 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.800 Okay, this is the English name and he was one 1:05:10.960 --> 1:05:14.120 eighth native of Scottish origin. 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:17.720 Okay, well that's not I'm asking for a decent Well. 1:05:19.720 --> 1:05:22.000 You want you want just what I just said? Yeah, 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:22.680 what he just said. 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:27.240 Uh, James was his great great grandpa. You actually got 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:29.080 it wrong on your podcast. It was his great great 1:05:29.120 --> 1:05:38.760 grandpa in seventeen sixteen to James, and Peter was his son. 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:39.720 Uh. 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:44.600 Then Nancy it is Peter's daughter. Then Paulie was Nancy's 1:05:44.640 --> 1:05:48.160 daughter that hooked up William yep, which was Billy's dad. 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:50.720 That was impressive. That was impressive. 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:54.680 That's why I get your hands somewhere. All right. 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:56.800 Yeah, we're giving you two points. 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:00.640 It's a tag game. 1:06:00.720 --> 1:06:02.440 This is y'all can get your own podcast if you 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:03.240 want to make the rules. 1:06:03.320 --> 1:06:05.640 This is my rules. Okay, that's like those sandwiches. 1:06:07.840 --> 1:06:11.640 Okay, this is this one. This is a low hanging fruit. 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:15.880 Y'all be ready, hands on the buzzers. What does Austin 1:06:15.960 --> 1:06:19.480 oldest name mean? Oh? 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:23.200 The black Drink. Oh yeah, the name of the podcast, 1:06:23.320 --> 1:06:24.400 the Black Drinking. 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:30.120 Who said it singer? The correct answer is black Drink singer, 1:06:30.160 --> 1:06:33.240 Black drink singer. Did you say, Okay, what's the score? 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:38.360 Then three three one two. I got six got nothing. Okay, 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:42.200 I feel like that one is a little shady. I 1:06:42.320 --> 1:06:44.160 just know I have one more point than Tennessee. 1:06:44.640 --> 1:06:48.000 I mean, okay, this one is like way too hard, Josh, 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:50.280 like turned the throttle like all the way to the top. 1:06:50.360 --> 1:06:53.080 I didn't even know who this was. Okay, who is 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:59.120 the artist famous for painting the portrait of Osceola stabbing pains? 1:06:59.240 --> 1:07:00.320 Treaty with the Night. 1:07:00.480 --> 1:07:01.720 That's a winner. Takes all of the. 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:07.080 Sterling, har Joe, I remember that they disagreed that it happen. 1:07:07.240 --> 1:07:10.600 Yeah, famously. 1:07:11.640 --> 1:07:14.680 It's it's like a modern guy that was the chief 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:19.440 of the in the Seminole tribe. The sterling stated his name. 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:22.040 I don't think anybody's gonna get it. I wouldn't remembered. 1:07:22.040 --> 1:07:24.000 His name is Enoch Kelly Haney. 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:25.000 Yeah. 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:26.439 It doesn't even ring a bell. 1:07:26.720 --> 1:07:32.400 Actually yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks Josh. Okay, Josh, let's 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:36.680 see last question. But there's actually two more questions, but 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:39.520 we've already answered this one. So hands on the buzzers. 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:46.640 What percentage Muskogee Creek? Do historians agree that was? Okay, 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:49.680 I gotta I gotta say one quick thing. Some of 1:07:49.760 --> 1:07:54.920 the Seminoles dispute some of the genealogy of of Osiola. 1:07:55.520 --> 1:07:57.480 The Floridians are the ones in Oklahoma. 1:07:58.000 --> 1:08:00.960 The Floridians dispute. Well, oh, no, I guess you could 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:01.400 be either way. 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:02.160 I can't. 1:08:02.200 --> 1:08:02.480 I don't. 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:04.480 I'm not even going to go into that much detail, 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:07.920 but there is dispute. Some people are like, no, he 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:10.200 wouldn't seven eighths Scottish. 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:14.400 So that was interesting too that the him being part 1:08:14.440 --> 1:08:18.679 of the community had more weight than the actual blood, 1:08:19.200 --> 1:08:21.560 you know, because we we attached so much blood. 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:23.599 Which is interesting when you look at the portrait, I mean, 1:08:23.640 --> 1:08:26.080 you don't see one eighth in seven eighth? 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:27.040 Yeah, for sure? Did you? 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:30.679 Did you like it when doctor Wickman said, you're you're 1:08:30.720 --> 1:08:33.960 looking at this all wrong. Yeah, you're focusing on what 1:08:34.160 --> 1:08:36.519 non Indians focused on. That was another time she got 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:40.120 put me in my place and slap it. She was like, 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:42.160 quit talking, let me this is my podcast. 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:42.559 Boy. 1:08:43.160 --> 1:08:47.040 Yep, all right, last question, last question, and right now 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:51.320 the current score is three to one to two. I 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:54.960 got what was the name of the village where Osceola 1:08:55.200 --> 1:09:04.200 was born? Oh? Said multiple must gogi. No, I would 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:07.559 have had a hard time with it. The correct answer 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:13.600 is to Lashie and it's it's in Alabama, in Alabama, 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:16.519 and they know right where the town was. I'm not 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:20.040 certain exactly what modern town is there, but like that's 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:26.320 where he was born. So congratulations, bring me down? 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:28.360 Was it really? 1:09:28.840 --> 1:09:30.679 What's a good tie breaker we could do? We can't 1:09:30.680 --> 1:09:31.160 have the tie. 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:34.559 What was the year he moved fourteen? There? 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:34.880 It was? 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:39.000 Whoa do you know that was happening? I almost want 1:09:39.040 --> 1:09:40.120 to count that question. 1:09:41.400 --> 1:09:42.280 The year he moved to. 1:09:43.840 --> 1:09:45.479 Would you have known that as quick as him? 1:09:45.920 --> 1:09:46.120 Yeah? 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:48.880 Okay, great he would you would have you have known 1:09:48.880 --> 1:09:49.760 it quicker than him? 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:50.960 No, I'm not saying quicker. 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:55.240 Come on, dude, Yes, get another question, another question. 1:09:55.400 --> 1:09:56.720 If he would have said yeah, I would have got 1:09:56.760 --> 1:09:58.840 it quicker. I would have You know, this is a 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:00.880 rare moment in the man life when he's able to 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:07.840 just like public. Harasso helped me with another question. 1:10:08.280 --> 1:10:17.360 Oh, what was Andrew Jackson's nickname? Old hickto? 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:23.040 Congratulations? Congratulations, great win. 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:30.439 Was our winner? Jackson? Sorry, it's just hard losing first. 1:10:31.680 --> 1:10:37.439 Thanks guys, It's been like fun, a lot of fun. 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:37.880 Thanks. 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:43.760 Appreciate you absolutely great, Garrett Hunter, awesome, thanks guys, appreciate it.