Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of
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Speaker 1: We're in Knoxville, Tennessee, on Meat Eaters game Day. I
Speaker 1: have with me this panel of expert analysts of college football,
Speaker 1: duck hunting, CrossFit, country living. We got it all here today, folks. Now,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on the ESPN. Were we are.
Speaker 1: We are in downtown Knoxville, Tennessee, within sight of where
Speaker 1: Tennessee Balls. They're kind of roll over the tide uh here.
Speaker 1: In about five or six hours we are We're at
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater tailgate tour, which has been a ton
Speaker 1: of fun. I have a very unique group of guests
Speaker 1: here with me today. I'll introduce them from right to left.
Speaker 1: I've got right here, Hunter Spencer from Meat Eater man
Speaker 1: Old Tennessee Ball himself lives in Virginia.
Speaker 2: He's spying on them.
Speaker 1: Hunter. Anything that you see that is graphic graphic design.
Speaker 1: Most almost everything is Hunter Spencer, including this cool horn
Speaker 1: getting grilled.
Speaker 3: Hunter's looks really confused, right, I thought I was sitting
Speaker 3: next to Josh Hippool honestly.
Speaker 2: Josh, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Really, the head coach of the ball.
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought you got him out here.
Speaker 1: Well, this Hunter Spencer here, we have Josh, Josh Bird
Speaker 1: Bird Bird, and you you work with He runs hunt
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, so I kind of got to introduce
Speaker 1: you guys together. This is Rich Frowning introduced to me
Speaker 1: as the most fit man in America.
Speaker 2: Which formerly let's go we're tired. Now, let's go America
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: World, in the world. World.
Speaker 2: You're being serious formally okay, fish man in the world.
Speaker 1: Let's go, hey man, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: Play a second. That's right.
Speaker 1: Well, all I was gonna say was I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we squirrel hunted yesterday and he couldn't lose me.
Speaker 4: I could tell you we were just creeping. We're just
Speaker 4: creeping squirrels to squirrels. Yeah, they lost us.
Speaker 1: So yeah, tell me, how would you introduce you?
Speaker 4: I competed in CrossFit for twelve thirteen years.
Speaker 2: Thirteen years if.
Speaker 4: You count COVID won a couple times as an individual,
Speaker 4: one a couple of times on a team, own a
Speaker 4: CrossFit gym in Cookville, Tennessee, and now trying to bring
Speaker 4: fitness to the hunting space.
Speaker 2: That's our big thing.
Speaker 4: We got into hunting, real passionate about it probably the
Speaker 4: last ten years, and so yeah.
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing now. Awesome love hunting.
Speaker 1: And so I let me come back to you guys.
Speaker 1: Right after Brent, Brent Reeves and then this guy who's
Speaker 1: never been I don't think you've been on the ritter
Speaker 1: of this is Garrett Long. Almost everything that's going on
Speaker 1: at Meat Eater and even with Bear Grease, this guy's
Speaker 1: involved with but kind of behind the scenes. So I'm
Speaker 1: really upset that you're here, Garrett, really, man, it's upsetting
Speaker 1: Garrett's Garrett's like, he's like, he's my boss, so he's
Speaker 1: running in the.
Speaker 2: Show man it. I think.
Speaker 5: The coolest thing I've done at Meat Eater, though, is
Speaker 5: I actually hired hunter.
Speaker 2: Yeah really, yeah he was, he started.
Speaker 6: Man, Wait a minute, me, Yeah, I agree that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, tell me, like in the hunting space, it's
Speaker 1: clear that you know, in the last at least ten years,
Speaker 1: like fitness has come up on the radar of something
Speaker 1: that we should all be, you know, as hunters, which
Speaker 1: is pretty cool because I think that the narrative for
Speaker 1: a lot of the hunting community has not been something
Speaker 1: you know, that would be fitness related. And then when
Speaker 1: we started, you know, Western hunts and elk hunting kind
Speaker 1: of came onto the scene and it's like, hey, a
Speaker 1: big limiting factor of success is just being able to
Speaker 1: get places. Then you started seeing you know, people marketing
Speaker 1: to the fitness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we talked about this a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 4: My kind of background is like, originally I was born
Speaker 4: in Michigan in Tennessee for thirty plus years, so whitetail
Speaker 4: is is kind of for me. And when I started hunting,
Speaker 4: whitetail was tough because it's sitting still. I have ADHD
Speaker 4: like or add or something. Something's not right. So I'm
Speaker 4: a little off, you know, And so that was tough
Speaker 4: for me. And so I got into turkey hunting first,
Speaker 4: and turkey hunting I fell in love with. And so
Speaker 4: you know, it's up down we running gun a lot,
Speaker 4: you know in Tennessee. And so I then somebody introduced
Speaker 4: me to elk hunting and from then on I was hooked.
Speaker 4: And so now I've kind of like made it back
Speaker 4: to now whitetail is a passion too. So in that
Speaker 4: whole process, you know, I was competing and training and
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, there's such a need for like a
Speaker 4: little bit of science backed hunting fitness preparation. You know,
Speaker 4: there are some other ones out there and good ones
Speaker 4: out there, but I feel like we've you know, we've
Speaker 4: got fifteen years. I was a next strength and conditioning coach.
Speaker 4: I have degree in exercise science. I've competed for years,
Speaker 4: and I married the two with the passion that I
Speaker 4: have hunting. In the last you know, ten years, I
Speaker 4: would say where we got super serious and then Western
Speaker 4: hunting in the last six or seven that I've been
Speaker 4: like next level passionate about. So yeah, we just kind
Speaker 4: of saw the need there. I was like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be hunting a lot anyway, I'm gonna be doing
Speaker 4: these workouts to prepare myself for hunting. Why not just
Speaker 4: offer them to people online. So that's kind of where
Speaker 4: Mayhem Hunt started. We have CrossFit Mayhem and we've done
Speaker 4: that for twelve or fifteen years and we'll still keep
Speaker 4: that up. But man Mayhem hunt and just hunting has
Speaker 4: become a huge passion of mine. And I want guys
Speaker 4: girls to never have to question, hey, should I go
Speaker 4: after that animal because i'ma have to get it out
Speaker 4: or either's just no, there's no second thought when we
Speaker 4: go out. We're like, all right, I don't care if
Speaker 4: it's a thousand feet up, We're gonna get there. We're
Speaker 4: gonna get to it and get that animal, and then
Speaker 4: we're gonna get it out. So that's just you know,
Speaker 4: we want people more confidence of anything of like hey,
Speaker 4: I can go out.
Speaker 2: There and do this right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. To me, the most positive thing
Speaker 1: about when you're combining physical fitness and then hunting, which
Speaker 1: we're all passionate about, is like being physically fit is
Speaker 1: like a good idea for life in general, you're out
Speaker 1: hunting or not, and and so it's it's again just
Speaker 1: one of those like tangible and positive things that comes
Speaker 1: from being involved in the outdoors.
Speaker 4: Well. And then I mean there's such a crossover too
Speaker 4: of like hey, you're harvesting your own meat. It's healthy,
Speaker 4: we know where it came from. It's not going to
Speaker 4: a store. It's not overly processed, it's not given all
Speaker 4: these antibiotics and stuff. So you know, if we can
Speaker 4: get this healthy, clean meat and then also fuel ourselves
Speaker 4: for these it's it just it's it makes sense. And
Speaker 4: then you know, we've talked about it too. Like my personality,
Speaker 4: I'm just a competitor, right, So, like my whole life
Speaker 4: has been. I'm one of thirty two first cousins on
Speaker 4: my mom's side, twenty five or boys, and everything we
Speaker 4: did was a competition, and so that's just who I am, right,
Speaker 4: So I competed for years and then when I got done,
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I still need to compete and still
Speaker 4: have that and hunting. I mean, we talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 4: It's the original competition, right, like us versus that animal.
Speaker 4: And so for me, I feel like that draw of
Speaker 4: just the competition side of it is just who I am.
Speaker 4: And then you got the like team aspect of it.
Speaker 4: I you know, all these guys are going solo. Hunt's
Speaker 4: good for you. I like, you know, if I've got
Speaker 4: one other person and there's a team and we're kind
Speaker 4: of like figuring out a plan, there's like just there's
Speaker 4: something to it.
Speaker 2: And so all of it.
Speaker 4: What I've done in the past, Mary's super well to
Speaker 4: what we're doing now, and man, I just it just
Speaker 4: blessed to be where we're at.
Speaker 2: Man, I love love it.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to Garrett, let's let's combine our heads here,
Speaker 1: Hunter and Brent. What what would you ask the fittest
Speaker 1: man in the world if he were sitting by you, Like,
Speaker 1: what intelligent question would you ask them?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Because it's going to take all listen, listen, here's the
Speaker 1: best analogy. If I was if I was sitting next
Speaker 1: to the owner of the finest mule in America, I
Speaker 1: would have a hundred questions.
Speaker 2: For Hey, father of the American mule? Who is it?
Speaker 1: George wah nice? Hey, come on dude, all right, who
Speaker 1: are you talking?
Speaker 2: Too easy? Sorry?
Speaker 1: It's like who invented crossfild?
Speaker 2: All right? All right? Great?
Speaker 6: Are already said? Is motivation? And that would have been
Speaker 6: my question?
Speaker 2: Motivation the motivator?
Speaker 4: Well, you know the coolest part two is you know
Speaker 4: my kids. So you guys have seen my kids are
Speaker 4: around all the time, birds.
Speaker 2: Kids are out here.
Speaker 4: Well, but I want to impact, Like you know, I've
Speaker 4: never once told my kids, hey, let's go do a workout,
Speaker 4: but they see me and Lakeland will go down there.
Speaker 2: All of my kids will be like, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: work out with you, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and they're doing their own thing. We're not loading
Speaker 4: them up with a barbell. We're not like making them
Speaker 4: do anything, but they want to do it. So then
Speaker 4: you like, I'm doing a workout and I just look
Speaker 4: over and they're doing it right. Well, then the hunting
Speaker 4: now too, Like I've been out six or seven times
Speaker 4: and my kids have been with me five of the times.
Speaker 2: The Trice was with me when we harvested a dough.
Speaker 4: The other other afternoon morning and he was fired up,
Speaker 4: and my you know, like it's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's there.
Speaker 4: They want to be with me, and that's what I want, right,
Speaker 4: So I want to impact them from the physical side
Speaker 4: of like, hey want them to be in better shape
Speaker 4: and and just you know, a lifestyle of fitness. But
Speaker 4: then also the outdoors, like it's it's just in a
Speaker 4: good spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think to your to your question.
Speaker 5: We talked about a little bit yesterday, But there's workout
Speaker 5: programs out there for getting outside and everything. But man,
Speaker 5: and I've I've I've been fortunate to work out a
Speaker 5: decent amount of my life.
Speaker 1: But oh really, I never would have guessed.
Speaker 2: They thank you, but they break out.
Speaker 5: They breaks me right, Like I I love, I get started,
Speaker 5: I find myself getting started, and then three weeks in
Speaker 5: like it is a lifestyle that and maybe I'm just
Speaker 5: not tough enough. I just like can't continue. My body
Speaker 5: is breaking down and old thirty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ex accurate.
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding, But I think, like I think my
Speaker 5: my my question is is like, if you're not a
Speaker 5: dude that's already just getting it, Like, how much is
Speaker 5: too much?
Speaker 2: Right? Like?
Speaker 5: What what is the proper level of training if a
Speaker 5: guy's coming out west on his first el cunt? Like,
Speaker 5: is it just seven days a week to like to
Speaker 5: failure every and that's the mentality should have?
Speaker 2: Or is there a middle ground to get you out
Speaker 2: in the feet? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And so I feel like that's something that we have
Speaker 4: or we've kind of like, you know, we've got the
Speaker 4: background of we have the CrossFit gym that we've had
Speaker 4: for fifteen years, and you know, we've got our youngest
Speaker 4: member we talked yesterday's five years old and our oldest
Speaker 4: is eighty three or eighty four years old. So like
Speaker 4: we have the full range, and so we've been able
Speaker 4: to see, hey, you know, what can some people do,
Speaker 4: and like you're at a very entry level and we've
Speaker 4: kind of on what we're doing now is like putting
Speaker 4: a little bit of science behind that instead of just
Speaker 4: hammering guys all the time, which you still need to do, right,
Speaker 4: You've still got to like prepare because there is a
Speaker 4: mental aspect of it. Anybody who's been out west, like,
Speaker 4: you've got to be able to grind because there are
Speaker 4: you know, those days where it's up down physically but
Speaker 4: also mentally and emotionally, and so you've got to have
Speaker 4: those days. But then also like we know that four
Speaker 4: or five weeks is about as hard as you can push,
Speaker 4: and then you maybe need to take a week where
Speaker 4: you just kind of, hey, like let's move still. You know,
Speaker 4: starting out maybe three or four days a week, and
Speaker 4: then you know you could bump it up. I we
Speaker 4: were talking yesterday. I like to work out seven days
Speaker 4: a week. It's my mentality. It's almost like it's something
Speaker 4: I have to do right, It's just clear my head.
Speaker 2: It's got to get that hit, whatever it is.
Speaker 4: But for most guys, starting out three days a week,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a lot, you know, And so you
Speaker 4: can once you do a couple weeks of that, maybe
Speaker 4: add a fourth day.
Speaker 2: Hey, four days too many?
Speaker 4: Like there is And that's one of the things we're
Speaker 4: trying to do is like, hey, we're gonna build a
Speaker 4: community where guys can get on there, girls can get
Speaker 4: on there and talk and feel like, hey, you know, hey,
Speaker 4: this is what I'm doing. I'm feeling like this, you know,
Speaker 4: any help there. So that's that's what we're trying to do,
Speaker 4: is take the kind of approach we've done with CrossFit,
Speaker 4: of like, hey, we know our program is the best,
Speaker 4: but also the community side of like hey, let's let's
Speaker 4: you know, ask some questions and do some stuff like
Speaker 4: that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the Thursdays for us is usually a off
Speaker 2: ish day, so Thursdays and Sundays. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, And to answer the question, as a normal average
Speaker 3: forty three year old guy work like working out with him,
Speaker 3: I know he works out two days a week. I
Speaker 3: can usually two times, two times a day. I can
Speaker 3: go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday usually and work out with him.
Speaker 3: But by Thursday I'm probably just taking off completely just
Speaker 3: because I mean, I can't do it anymore. You know,
Speaker 3: like my body's worn down, I need to day. I
Speaker 3: need just to arrest day completely. So it is listened
Speaker 3: to your body. And but we do take Thursdays, Saturdays
Speaker 3: and as like active recovery, and then Sundays is usually
Speaker 3: just completely off. So we have that broken in there
Speaker 3: pretty good.
Speaker 7: All right, I gotta cool. I got a question.
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking of a football question for you about
Speaker 3: tonight coach.
Speaker 2: On first down, they'll never expect it.
Speaker 7: So trying to like maybe compare it to hunting. So
Speaker 7: if you got somebody that's never hunted and they've got
Speaker 7: aspirations to be a big game hunter, you kind of
Speaker 7: figure out a path that they'll start smoking with it.
Speaker 7: So I'll say the same thing with getting fitter, a
Speaker 7: better version of you. What what's that first step look like?
Speaker 4: Doing something? Doing anything like moving three four days a week.
Speaker 4: You know, I when you know, when I was early
Speaker 4: on in CrossFit, I was like, you have to do CrossFit.
Speaker 4: The only way to get fitter is doing CrossFit. I'm
Speaker 4: not that mentality anymore. Like I think CrossFit or some
Speaker 4: variation like ours isn't is a little bit of CrossFit.
Speaker 4: There's a lot less gymnastics, a lot more grunt work,
Speaker 4: a little bit less super high intensity all the time,
Speaker 4: because that does wear you out.
Speaker 2: But man, it's just getting started.
Speaker 4: Doing something is better than nothing. And then you know,
Speaker 4: like to start this momentum. And it's day after day
Speaker 4: and you know, I my personal kind of values are faith, family, fitness, right,
Speaker 4: and so every day I try to sit down at
Speaker 4: the end of the day and be as objective as possible.
Speaker 2: How did I do faith? Wise? Did I get in
Speaker 2: the word? Whatever?
Speaker 4: Did I do good? And and try to give myself,
Speaker 4: you know, one through ten? Same with family? Did I
Speaker 4: spend time? Quality time?
Speaker 2: And then fit?
Speaker 4: And then short memory when you do good because next
Speaker 4: day it's a new day. And short memory when you
Speaker 4: do bad as well, because then you got to just like, hey,
Speaker 4: we got to reset today.
Speaker 2: It's fitness.
Speaker 4: All that stuff is like it just compounds, right, and
Speaker 4: so it's all about momentum and just get do something right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: twenty minute walk, you know, do that a couple of
Speaker 4: days a week, add thirty minutes or add a little
Speaker 4: bit of wait, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I think a lot of times
Speaker 1: people are including me, are intimidated by guys that are
Speaker 1: really good, that are kind of the leaders in this space, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like we're not having we're not having,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody that's not good at this, like being
Speaker 1: the spokesman for fitness. That's always somebody like you and
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's hard to be like, well, I can't
Speaker 1: be a professional or I can't and what you I
Speaker 1: appreciate what you said because I mean that's kind of
Speaker 1: the way that I've I think about fitness. I don't
Speaker 1: talk about fitness, right, but it's like something that's how
Speaker 1: my mind is to is to just do something, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I do some running, do some in the
Speaker 1: last two years, have done some.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty disciplined, you know, three four times
Speaker 1: a week at a gym doing Staremaster. Just because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm forty five and a man. I feel my body
Speaker 1: just kind of.
Speaker 2: Like the strength, the strength was starting to fall off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and uh, like just doing something is better
Speaker 1: than nothing.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that.
Speaker 5: The frustrating thing with running with Clays, He's one of
Speaker 5: those guys. At half a mile in he goes, God,
Speaker 5: I'm tired, and You're like oh, you're tired. Good and
Speaker 5: you're like and so you're like, okay, I'm kind of
Speaker 5: tired to you. And then a mile and he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm tired. Then like three miles in he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm tired. You're like, when are you gonna side? It
Speaker 5: just keeps grinding. He him and Giannis they burned me
Speaker 5: one day on the mountain. We were we went for
Speaker 5: a little run before I go to market meeting and
Speaker 5: I hung with him for like it was a lot
Speaker 5: for me. It was a long run. It was a
Speaker 5: ten mile run. I think I hung with him for
Speaker 5: like eight and the final how I'm like, I gotta
Speaker 5: go to the bathroom. I'm sorry, I got my shoes.
Speaker 5: I gotta do something.
Speaker 1: I gotta Yeah, Hey, I want to let's talk about
Speaker 1: football for a moment now, Coach Hunter, Coach you you
Speaker 1: went to the University of Tennessee and what and what
Speaker 1: did you study there?
Speaker 2: Art? Art?
Speaker 1: But you're from Virginia correct, But you're big balls man,
Speaker 1: big time.
Speaker 7: And your wife I suffered through yeah, and my wife
Speaker 7: went here for veterinary Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what's it what's it like, what's it
Speaker 1: like to be wearing the Orange.
Speaker 7: Oh it's good, especially on a day like today. I
Speaker 7: mean it's just third Saturday in October. That's get any bigger.
Speaker 7: So we just need we need a Saturday like we
Speaker 7: had in twenty two.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so what what will they do if they
Speaker 1: beat Alabama today? Like I've heard it said twice.
Speaker 7: Now, the gold post will come down? You think in
Speaker 7: the water it could be.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that we're right here on the tennis.
Speaker 7: Because we got the playoffs sort of lost win this.
Speaker 7: If we win this, still got to play Georgia. We
Speaker 7: still got to play Georgia. But if you can go
Speaker 7: ten and two, you've got an sec guy right here.
Speaker 7: Of course too, you've got a good shot. Give you
Speaker 7: that making it we How late is the Georgia Get
Speaker 7: over at his shirt right now? We lost? We got
Speaker 7: one of those losses there, so we were hoping it
Speaker 7: would just be Alabama and Georgia.
Speaker 2: How late is the Georgia game.
Speaker 4: That's the hard part too, is you've got to time
Speaker 4: your losses correctly, you know, like I think.
Speaker 7: It's a night is it? Is it a night game
Speaker 7: today or is it the same time?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, when do you guys play Georgia.
Speaker 7: Oh it's at Georgia. I think it's a day game
Speaker 7: at Georgia.
Speaker 2: Win the season.
Speaker 7: Sorry, we've got to buy next week. I think Kentucky,
Speaker 7: then I think Georgia.
Speaker 2: That's enough.
Speaker 1: What I thought was cool is that if they you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes when they win, this is a huge wear down
Speaker 1: the goalpost. Bring it to the Tennessee River. Throw the
Speaker 1: kid there, Bandy.
Speaker 2: That would be the second time because Bandy.
Speaker 4: Did it to two weeks ago, Bandy beat Bama and
Speaker 4: they carried it to the Cumberland.
Speaker 1: Which is a much further that much. I was thinking
Speaker 1: about crappie structure down on the bottom.
Speaker 7: And we've got a hundred and two thousand. Yeah, when
Speaker 7: they stand like fifty tops, so they covered like half
Speaker 7: of the field when they started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great, that's great, Brent. What kind of shirt
Speaker 1: you were in there? Oh well, this is what were
Speaker 1: you doing two weeks ago?
Speaker 2: Two weeks ago I was celebrating. Were you at the game?
Speaker 2: I was not? Do you know who they're playing today?
Speaker 2: They're playing you gotta know you were over here? Really?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, communists, but welcome, he's French.
Speaker 2: That's literally French there, yeh w I'm sorry. I was
Speaker 2: so good. We're glad you're here.
Speaker 6: I get one opportunity every now and then a blind
Speaker 6: hole literally finds out literally, and that's that's what we season.
Speaker 7: I'd send him text all the time. When Tennessee was winning,
Speaker 7: I get everything sarcastic back. So as soon as we
Speaker 7: lost Arkansas.
Speaker 2: I just I just almost wore.
Speaker 4: I almost wore my Notre Dame baseball jersey here just
Speaker 4: for but I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't. This was the last time we were here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we were rich. But you're not a Tennessee fan.
Speaker 2: No, I'm a Notre Dame fan. My grandpa went to
Speaker 2: Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: My family's Catholic and Irish, so I've been stuck with
Speaker 4: Notre Dame my whole life.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's been rough, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I tried to get behind Tennessee when
Speaker 4: they were bad for a while because I could tolerate
Speaker 4: the fans, and then as soon as they started winning again,
Speaker 4: I was like, man, he was just obnoxious, you know.
Speaker 2: Like that's like, you know, I went hard.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm a I'm a Notre Dame in a
Speaker 4: Detroit sports fan, So don't talk to me about hard time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: thirty seven years of hard times.
Speaker 2: Rich you got.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: You know the good thing about being from Arkansas, and
Speaker 1: this is true. We have no professional sports teams. We
Speaker 1: have one bigger uh Division one school. There are other
Speaker 1: Division one schools, but without a doubt, everybody in Arkansas
Speaker 1: is rooting for the Razorbacks. Like when I think about Alabama,
Speaker 1: haven't having a divided a divided state. Uh, It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird to me to think that you would
Speaker 1: have that kind of vitriol against like people in your
Speaker 1: own state, you know, like Alabama and Auburn and all this.
Speaker 1: But in Arkansas, man, that's.
Speaker 7: All we got when we beat John Daily and golf
Speaker 7: for a long time, we did.
Speaker 1: We had him for a.
Speaker 2: While, still got him. I mean he's still there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but not so as you all know, we
Speaker 1: usually on the render and we'll day we uh we
Speaker 1: talk about the last podcast that came out. Anybody has
Speaker 1: anybody else got anything else they want to say? Before
Speaker 1: we talk about that cash shirt?
Speaker 2: It's hot. Keep that there's no.
Speaker 1: Keep that down.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: This I told I told Hunter had been cool. If
Speaker 1: we were at like Florida State. And then we were
Speaker 1: talking about this, this series I've been I've been working
Speaker 1: on it for a long time. I think I read
Speaker 1: the first book about Oola like a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago, and it Sometimes these series, people ask me
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like how long do you work
Speaker 1: on a series? And they're all different. Sometimes they come
Speaker 1: together real quick, but then other times they're like long
Speaker 1: and drawn out. This one was long and drawn out,
Speaker 1: and it took us that long to find the right
Speaker 1: people to tell the story. And and sometimes I'll start
Speaker 1: a series that ends with me, well, in my mind,
Speaker 1: a potential series, and I never do it because I
Speaker 1: never find the right people. And I actually thought that
Speaker 1: might be what happened with ostiolas I did, I did,
Speaker 1: and and even uh, there's gonna be a new guest later.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: We talked to one of the Florida seminoles, and then
Speaker 1: I had known Sterling Harjoe for a while and so
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna be great. But he's not
Speaker 1: a historian's he's a seminole and just kind of knows,
Speaker 1: you know. I was really interested in how he would
Speaker 1: have viewed Ostiola. And then we found Jake Tiger this
Speaker 1: young young guy in Oklahoma, which was a great help.
Speaker 1: But Patricia Wickman, she's retired and was like Josh Spilmmaker,
Speaker 1: helped me a lot on this one. She was very
Speaker 1: difficult to find. She's not she's not in.
Speaker 4: The Yeah she correct an person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man. She totally is like she she she.
Speaker 4: Reprimanded you, like twice. She was put your drink on
Speaker 4: the coaster. I was like, all right, mom. I felt
Speaker 4: like it hit me hard, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, well, I was the only reason
Speaker 1: I could share that with the world. That section was
Speaker 1: because of how wonderful lady she was. She she was
Speaker 1: so excited that that I was there. But I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that kind of frank, don't do that.
Speaker 3: Don't do that, no problem, it's man, yeah, take your
Speaker 3: shoes off at the door.
Speaker 1: I said it. I said it, and I meant it.
Speaker 1: I interview a ton of people, and of all different
Speaker 1: types of people, she was, and I'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: say it, the most passionate, knowledgeable and able to communicate
Speaker 1: about her sphere of expertise than anybody I've ever dolt.
Speaker 1: And she's she's been retired for years. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say how old she is, but well I better
Speaker 1: not do that. She's retired. So but I mean just
Speaker 1: sharpest attack, and and I'm still a little bit nervous
Speaker 1: about like how I did, Like we kind of had
Speaker 1: to convince her that we were going to handle this
Speaker 1: story with hair and she was very concerned about us
Speaker 1: getting it right, you know. And so but she was
Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful lady. And we'll be hearing from her
Speaker 1: on the lat in the next two episodes. I'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and foreshadow a bit. So this the second podcast
Speaker 1: is basically going to be about the war years of Osceola,
Speaker 1: when he actually retreated into Florida and all the stuff
Speaker 1: they did was just wild. The the third episode is
Speaker 1: gonna be about I usually don't do this, Rich doing
Speaker 1: this for you for me because you're the world's fittest athlete.
Speaker 1: For formally, uh, We're gonna do a whole podcast on
Speaker 1: Ossio's death, Yeah, because.
Speaker 4: Like the what the aftermath and or just the was
Speaker 4: all kinds of like conspiracy behind it or.
Speaker 1: Let me just I want to give give spiel like
Speaker 1: I did you yesterday at dinner, give him a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little bit Ostiola was he went, he ended
Speaker 1: up going to prison. He was tricked by the American
Speaker 1: government and captured and went to prison. While he was
Speaker 1: in prison, WHI, no, we can't go down mouse yet. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was. He was in prison in South Carolina and
Speaker 1: they took him to a play in Charleston, like a
Speaker 1: like a like a Broadway play. And when he went
Speaker 1: into the play, he was view he's a prisoner of
Speaker 1: they they took him in into the play, no, to
Speaker 1: watch the play, and when he was there, they applauded him.
Speaker 1: This is Ossio, the great King, you know, the great
Speaker 1: war leader of the Seminoles were actively in war. It
Speaker 1: would be like us taken, you know, in the nineties,
Speaker 1: taking Saddam Hussein and out of prison to go watch
Speaker 1: a Broadway play in the American public going we love
Speaker 1: this guy. Really yeah, so weird because he was a
Speaker 1: he was a global you had global fame. And and
Speaker 1: that to me points back to what I tried to
Speaker 1: paint a picture of is how the American public viewed
Speaker 1: these Native American leaders, which is such.
Speaker 2: A weird philosopher, weird money.
Speaker 1: We needed to get rid of them, take their land,
Speaker 1: do whatever it took to displace them. But we we like,
Speaker 1: you know, handle it. We treated him like like comic
Speaker 1: book characters, you know, like mythical creatures, and which is
Speaker 1: so wild. And then maybe that's all I should give.
Speaker 1: But he ends up dying in prison, and and to
Speaker 1: this day there is still an ongoing search for Osciola's head.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 7: You're talking about the portraits to the artists that would
Speaker 7: stack up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kind of mentioned it. Yeah, when he
Speaker 1: was in prison, you know, the the the currency of
Speaker 1: the day for people to engage, you know, visually, they
Speaker 1: didn't have photographer, theyd have video, but people painted portraits
Speaker 1: like it was big time. You would have portraits painted
Speaker 1: of your family and your grandfathers, and that's all they had.
Speaker 1: And I mean yeah, the greatest artists in the country
Speaker 1: flocked to South Carolina to that prison to paint Osciola.
Speaker 1: In the last days of his life, he spent modeling.
Speaker 1: He would put on his best clothes and all his
Speaker 1: accouterments and all he had all kind of little things
Speaker 1: that he wore, big ostrich plume and uh and he
Speaker 1: literally George Catlan finished that most famous painting that I
Speaker 1: put on Instagram two days before Osceola died in prison.
Speaker 5: Really yeah, and that type of behavior, it's just it
Speaker 5: seems like they knew they were a part of a
Speaker 5: like a big part of history in the moment. I
Speaker 5: think sometimes we don't do that right now, but like
Speaker 5: to take him and be detached enough to take him
Speaker 5: to a play to show off to everybody is saying like,
Speaker 5: this guy is going to be living infamy forever, right,
Speaker 5: He's a part of our history. And it's still he's
Speaker 5: still alive, it's still happening. And then he got all
Speaker 5: those painters that are like, this is happening now. I
Speaker 5: think we lose sight of that a little bit right now, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just super interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he was only thirty four years old, and
Speaker 6: he didn't look sick in that picture either, and then
Speaker 6: he died.
Speaker 2: I noticed that, right though. Yeah it was a painting.
Speaker 2: It wasn't, you know, make me look good. It made
Speaker 2: me look good.
Speaker 1: So so what I'll I think, what the way we'll
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this is, uh, I just kind of
Speaker 1: go around and just tell me what stood out to you,
Speaker 1: like just what was interesting or or maybe why you
Speaker 1: didn't know or how much you knew about Osceola before
Speaker 1: or talk about my guests. You know Sterling Harjoe. Would
Speaker 1: would you have known who Sterling Harjoe was? Okay, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't really give him a proper introduction. Sterling Harjoe
Speaker 1: is a is A is a filmmaker. He just was
Speaker 1: nominated for is it an Emmy?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: He's a he is a up and coming he just
Speaker 1: got a big time award in the in the It
Speaker 1: wasn't an Emmy. Yeah, he's a cool guy, so he
Speaker 1: he was, Uh, but it was cool hearing him. But anyway, Hunter,
Speaker 1: what stood out to you?
Speaker 7: I mean, I'd probably say getting pushed out of Alabama
Speaker 7: during the Muskogee uh Creek era and and and just
Speaker 7: what was going through their minds and in the establishment
Speaker 7: and how things were set up, what to Kompsa's influence
Speaker 7: and things like that.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that cool?
Speaker 7: Yeah? You know you kind of wish you knew somehow,
Speaker 7: like did these paths cross?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you have no way of I guess
Speaker 7: really knowing. But now and again the short timeline. He
Speaker 7: died at thirty four, he goes there at ten, So
Speaker 7: you're looking at a very small window of what brought
Speaker 7: him to popularity.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what isn't really even debatable is that
Speaker 1: his family was heavily influenced by Takumsa. They would have
Speaker 1: been in his presence and heard to comes to speak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then these are the people that went and raised Osil,
Speaker 1: you know. So like whether he would have even seen Osill,
Speaker 1: I mean, he would have been like if he was
Speaker 1: born in eighteen oh four, which they really don't even
Speaker 1: know for sure if that's when he was born. But
Speaker 1: if he was born in eighteen oh four to come
Speaker 1: to for sure came in eighteen eleven, so he would
Speaker 1: have been like seven years old, is that right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: seven years old. He would have just been a du Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. He might have squirrels, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. He would have known something happened was happening.
Speaker 1: That was cool, Yeah, but he wouldn't have been paying attention.
Speaker 2: Brains not processing in that at that situe.
Speaker 1: Well nowadays, but that uh, I almost had my wife
Speaker 1: as a little insert guest, but it was a little
Speaker 1: too deep of a rabbit hole. Misty. She studies a
Speaker 1: lot about human development and child development, and there was
Speaker 1: this big research project that just came out that highlighted
Speaker 1: the ages of nine to thirteen as the most important
Speaker 1: years for long term identity. And what they did was
Speaker 1: they there was a study about Japanese kids, and they
Speaker 1: raised people that had Japanese parents in America until the
Speaker 1: age of nine, and then their family moved back to Japan,
Speaker 1: and those kids, as they grew up, viewed themselves as Japanese. Okay,
Speaker 1: the other set of the of the of the test,
Speaker 1: the test was there were the family kids that were
Speaker 1: raised in Japan from the age of zero to nine
Speaker 1: and then they moved to America from the ages of
Speaker 1: nine to thirteen, and those kids viewed themselves as Americans.
Speaker 1: Do you see because like kids are now, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like law, they right now are just trying
Speaker 1: to figure who am I? You know, They're just like
Speaker 1: shut shut. So my wife told me about that, and
Speaker 1: I was going to have her on to tell that story.
Speaker 1: But it was super fascinating because you wouldn't think that
Speaker 1: would You would think the kids that were born in
Speaker 1: Japan and lived there till there were nine would be
Speaker 1: considered themselves Japanese for the rest of their life. But
Speaker 1: it was it was actually opposite of that because that
Speaker 1: so so Osceola would have been.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that he too.
Speaker 1: He was in the fire years of their family, implementing
Speaker 1: that Nativist revival of like we got to get rid
Speaker 1: of all this European influence. But all that stuff is
Speaker 1: so fascinating and I love it when we bring in
Speaker 1: back up a Bear Grease Hall of Famer. So rich
Speaker 1: we have a we have a legitimate bear Grease Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. We're actually we haven't. We haven't done a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction in two years. Who were about
Speaker 1: to start the last one would have been, Uh, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. The Halt Caller. Yeah, I think guy
Speaker 1: named Halt Collier from Mississippi. The Beargreas Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: is interesting that some living guys that are still alive
Speaker 1: today and then some historical characters like Daniel Boone Halt Callier. Uh,
Speaker 1: Tacumsa is a bear Grease Hall of Famer, but it's
Speaker 1: also uh speaking of Tennessee, my dear dear friend Roy
Speaker 1: Clark in East Tennessee Laurel Mountain plots, he's he's still
Speaker 1: my daughter hunted with them last week. But uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: we're about to the next time we get the regular
Speaker 1: render crew together. We're actually going to do a new
Speaker 1: Bear Grease induction. We're gonna have a you have.
Speaker 2: A vote on the show where you just say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're doing we have it, we have it.
Speaker 1: Well, I call it's very formal, very formal, and I
Speaker 1: called to you know, I put the nominations on the
Speaker 1: table and then then we vote. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: got to be the people that are regularly because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where Josh stands on some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Losing you know, we can't have him, and then.
Speaker 2: You pick your jury.
Speaker 4: All of course, we always we always say it, ma'ham
Speaker 4: at state run media, we can.
Speaker 2: Put out whatever we want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nor Frank exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So we are going
Speaker 1: to have a new induction at some point in the
Speaker 1: next two months, so be ready for that. Okay, uh, Josh,
Speaker 1: what's what's that to you? Man?
Speaker 3: Something we talked about and it's super unfortunate, but just
Speaker 3: for one that their history is not necessarily written, right,
Speaker 3: it's it's spoken. So for one, you don't know, stories
Speaker 3: get twisted tradition, you know, And what's super unfortunate about
Speaker 3: it is all history that is written. You usually have
Speaker 3: a winner side and a loser side. Right, there's two
Speaker 3: different I'm glad I went first. We've talked about a lot,
Speaker 3: but there's two different sides of it, and that perspective
Speaker 3: is always going to be different. So for really just
Speaker 3: all Native Americans, we we have the story is that
Speaker 3: we don't know if it's one hundred percent accurate, and
Speaker 3: then we have this other side, which is a totally
Speaker 3: different perspective, you know. So just to hear this and
Speaker 3: then she was an expert on it, and just to
Speaker 3: hear you know, just yeah, it was really cool to
Speaker 3: hear that, because you don't know. You hear things and
Speaker 3: you say, well, you see that, but then you you
Speaker 3: read something else. So uh, it was super cool just
Speaker 3: to kind of hear that side of it.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: The analogy that we use to describe, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty pretty powerful, and and I use
Speaker 1: that analogy on myself. I mean, I'm the one who
Speaker 1: said it, but I was thinking about it, like what
Speaker 1: if somebody from another place did not speak my language,
Speaker 1: just observed my life for however long, and then they
Speaker 1: were the ones that wrote the history books about me
Speaker 1: and told about my motivations and what I did. But
Speaker 1: then they also wanted my land.
Speaker 2: It's called social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's just like how accurate
Speaker 1: could it be?
Speaker 7: Well to that? To double down on Josh's point, it's
Speaker 7: like as you were saying, you got the Florida seminoles
Speaker 7: have one thought in view versus say the ones in Oklahoma, Yeah,
Speaker 7: saying completely different things. So not only is it already
Speaker 7: not written, but you've got fractions of that.
Speaker 4: Even in the written stuff, you got fractions because you
Speaker 4: have a use today's perspectives. You have a right and
Speaker 4: a left, and so like if you read one side,
Speaker 4: it's so tough. Yeah, and so think about adding two
Speaker 4: hundred years to that. Like when they read about what's
Speaker 4: going on now, you know, like who are they reading?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, That's what I like to do on
Speaker 1: these is just there's no answer, but just it like
Speaker 1: makes you makes you think about it from just a
Speaker 1: different perspective. You know, you're just a little more empathetic
Speaker 1: towards people, you know when you because I think one
Speaker 1: thing that that's what interests me is looking at a
Speaker 1: story that from one person spective to another could be
Speaker 1: completely different, and both side says a story are right, yep,
Speaker 1: Like there you know, are are good people have the
Speaker 1: right motivation, but like, the perspective on the story completely
Speaker 1: changes the way you see it. So it's like I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here from this chair as an Arkansas Razorback fan
Speaker 1: and uh and knowing that I'm right, knowing that my
Speaker 1: team's the best team, but it's possible that somebody could
Speaker 1: have a different view that would be equal to mine.
Speaker 1: It's really weird to me, but and more correct, what
Speaker 1: rich what stood out to you?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 4: I've got so I'm we were talking yesterday. I've I've
Speaker 4: got a weird not a weird, but I have an
Speaker 4: American history obsession. So I started reading the O'Reilly killing
Speaker 4: books and one of them is killing Crazy Horse, And
Speaker 4: so it goes through it does it's not just about
Speaker 4: kill a crazy horse, because he's kind of towards the
Speaker 4: end of what we'll say, at the eradication of Native
Speaker 4: Americans throughout the country. So but it goes you know,
Speaker 4: geographical section bisection and I'm sure and I don't remember
Speaker 4: because it's been a while since I read about Osciola
Speaker 4: was in there, I'm sure. And so you have that perspective, right,
Speaker 4: And so it paints Andrew Jackson is this villain, right?
Speaker 2: You know, he was this terrible, awful human being.
Speaker 4: Well, then now I have this through reading those books,
Speaker 4: I have this, all right, I'm gonna read a biography
Speaker 4: on every US president and so when I get to Jackson,
Speaker 4: I have this kind of like bad taste. And I
Speaker 4: read that book and I'm like, from his perspective, and
Speaker 4: I'm just putting this as me putting my viewpoint on
Speaker 4: from reading the book, God, Family Country, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: that aligns with my views.
Speaker 2: You know, did he do it right?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. But it's it goes back to that perspective
Speaker 4: of like who's telling the story right? And and you know,
Speaker 4: you look at today, right, and we have this crazy
Speaker 4: election coming up. We won't get political, but it's like
Speaker 4: there's two sides to every story, and there's bits on
Speaker 4: both sides that are right, and there's bits on both
Speaker 4: eyes that are wrong. Yeah, and so man, it is
Speaker 4: so when we're you know, you're listening to her, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is you know, like I'm behind this. And then
Speaker 4: I step back and I read from Andrew. Now it
Speaker 4: wasn't even Andrew Jackson's perspective. It was a third party.
Speaker 4: But you're just like.
Speaker 2: That's I believe in a lot of those.
Speaker 4: So it's so hard to then one hundred two hundred
Speaker 4: years ago have that different and so it's just so hard, right,
Speaker 4: you know, you just come off Columbus Day and everybody's
Speaker 4: politics on that and you're just like, hey, history is rough,
Speaker 4: you know, and in both sides there's bad and there's.
Speaker 7: Good, right, and it's and it places that importance on
Speaker 7: like who's telling this story telling the story because like
Speaker 7: doctor Wickman, you know, her passion behind it kind of
Speaker 7: sort of came yeah, exactly. So whether it's Ossiola or
Speaker 7: somebody else, it's when you get that passionate storyteller behind
Speaker 7: it starts to skew you.
Speaker 2: That's why history is so important.
Speaker 4: You know, there was whole cancel every history everywhere, and
Speaker 4: you're like, nah, man, we need to like we need
Speaker 4: to have some perspective, not believe everything we read obviously, like,
Speaker 4: but it's just it's it's history is important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a This will be on one of the
Speaker 1: next episodes. But I had an interesting little section of
Speaker 1: conversation with Sterling Harjoe, who is a Seminole creek in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and basically he started talking about the conflicted position that
Speaker 1: he has. He's like, man, I love America. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he's the he's more American than me. He's like,
Speaker 1: he loves America. But he's like, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: weird because America literally tried to kill every member of
Speaker 1: my all my ancestors, like wanted them dead.
Speaker 2: In different ways too, you know.
Speaker 1: And and and so he's like, and here we are
Speaker 1: in schools like pledge and allegiance to the flag. And
Speaker 1: he's like, I was, it's always kind of weird to me.
Speaker 1: But he had such a what when you hear it,
Speaker 1: it's real interesting because he's not he is not he's
Speaker 1: not embittered or anything. He yeah, but it's still very real.
Speaker 1: I mean even today inside the tribes, I mean sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like, man, that stuff happened so long ago. That's
Speaker 1: a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: The tribes in Oklahoma are well, it's not even it's
Speaker 1: not even they're not even looking back on fresh stuff
Speaker 1: or you know, the old stuff they're looking back on.
Speaker 1: And I certainly don't speak for them, but just today
Speaker 1: struggles with their sovereignty, like because it's a real weird situation,
Speaker 1: unique situation in Oklahoma, where there's I don't know how
Speaker 1: many different sovereign nations there are in Oklahoma. Are you're
Speaker 1: driving to Oklahoma, you're driving into a different country.
Speaker 4: Aren't they trying to sue for some land too? There
Speaker 4: was something going on.
Speaker 1: There's a lot always going on over there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it shows man, Uh Like it depends
Speaker 5: on how far back in history you look. Like his
Speaker 5: sentiment about pledging allegiance to the flag, then like, let's
Speaker 5: take into consideration why all of us are here right
Speaker 5: now and making the jump across the pond, and what
Speaker 5: was going on over there, and we were trying to
Speaker 5: get away from people doing to us what we ended
Speaker 5: up doing to other people. And it's just like you
Speaker 5: can keep doing that all the way back to the
Speaker 5: first couple of hundred people that were here, right, And
Speaker 5: it's just there's always somebody trying to take what they
Speaker 5: don't have, and there's always somebody giving it up.
Speaker 2: But that's just the way that history works, right, It
Speaker 2: just keeps rolling. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make it good, No, it doesn't make it better,
Speaker 5: It doesn't make it easier, but it's important.
Speaker 2: It is a reality of history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent's out to you.
Speaker 2: I liked it.
Speaker 6: You know, forever in history books and movies or whatever,
Speaker 6: Native Americans were portrayed as savages, and that's what they
Speaker 6: were referred to as.
Speaker 2: That they had enough.
Speaker 6: Sense and enough self awareness to know that they could
Speaker 6: just settle dispute on the battlefield, or they could settle
Speaker 6: dispute on the ball field. And they and they played
Speaker 6: that game, and then there may have been some folks
Speaker 6: that died in it, which is unfortunate. But I mean,
Speaker 6: I mean, that's really taking one for the team, lit literally,
Speaker 6: but they're they're setting settling disputes like that back then,
Speaker 6: instead of wiping out whole communities, they settled it there.
Speaker 2: And if we're going.
Speaker 6: By that, that creed that example that they that they did,
Speaker 6: I guess we now own Tennessee.
Speaker 2: This is now Arkansas. I was watching how I Am
Speaker 2: the Captain? Look at me? So when lu wins today,
Speaker 2: then that we.
Speaker 6: But that was that was really interesting to me, that
Speaker 6: that was that far back that they had enough foresight
Speaker 6: to think, you know, we're we're wasting each other. But
Speaker 6: if we're going to if we're going to douke it out,
Speaker 6: and there's no getting around it, let's let's play this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah there was.
Speaker 1: Doctor Wickman talked about that a little bit more that
Speaker 1: I just didn't have time to put on there. But
Speaker 1: uh that game was called some of them called it
Speaker 1: the Little Brother of War. That was what they referred
Speaker 1: to describe it was. It was almost in these conversations.
Speaker 1: I love it because a lot of times there's just
Speaker 1: this little little tangent that I didn't see coming. And
Speaker 1: that was one of She wasn't even wanting to talk
Speaker 1: about ball She was wanting to talk about how they
Speaker 1: didn't have long term cities built like they were nomadic,
Speaker 1: and she was using an example and said, when they
Speaker 1: get when a ballpole gets struck, they'll move then never
Speaker 1: go back. And then I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what's a ballpole? And then she kind of went into that,
Speaker 1: But uh so I don't actually don't know what it
Speaker 1: was or how they I think.
Speaker 4: That's important to the story though, because you know, to
Speaker 4: his perspective, us saying savages or hearing savages.
Speaker 2: When you're growing up or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not as common now, but that's shows
Speaker 4: you one way, they weren't savage, So it's almost like it,
Speaker 4: you know, it would have been cool you know, I'll
Speaker 4: google it. I'm sure we can find it out o somebody.
Speaker 4: There's a Wikipedia about it somewhere a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Geatt, what's stood out to you?
Speaker 5: And uh, I'd love to give you like some romantic,
Speaker 5: nuanced perspective.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it.
Speaker 5: But probably one of my takeaways, Uh, I have been
Speaker 5: listening to John Anderson for a long time and had
Speaker 5: no idea what that song was talking about or who
Speaker 5: he was with Ossiola, Like I've I've I've sang that
Speaker 5: part of the song.
Speaker 2: You know, heard Ossiola Crome. No, I just you know, never.
Speaker 4: When you said yesterday, hey, listen the podcast for tomorrow,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, cool, it's about the history of
Speaker 4: that Turkey or.
Speaker 2: All right, learn something that's cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just I mean sometimes we're singing songs we
Speaker 5: don't know what we're talking about, and I'm from Montana
Speaker 5: to we Got Power like two years ago.
Speaker 1: Thank you, I have internet.
Speaker 3: That's a new release for you. You just heard it.
Speaker 5: That's right, Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Actually right here, right here, come on, come on, come on,
Speaker 1: oh look at that spiral it back. Here's the interesting
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Oftentimes I will well let me go
Speaker 1: back even further. Garrett told me that a lot of
Speaker 1: big time Instagram or YouTubers will will think about the
Speaker 1: thumbnail of the YouTube video, maybe even before they make
Speaker 1: the make the video. I that song is what made
Speaker 1: me want to do as I just it was such
Speaker 1: powerful imagery. I did know it was a person I
Speaker 1: knew as a seminole leader. That's about all I would
Speaker 1: have known. And I was just like, man if John
Speaker 1: Anderson said the ghost of Ostiola was crying, there's a
Speaker 1: story back.
Speaker 5: There, and and Rich just thought that John Anderson was
Speaker 5: really in touch with how Turkey's felt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, And so that was the spark point. And I
Speaker 1: kind of envisioned like using that song because I'm really
Speaker 1: interested in where some of this, whether it's hunting or
Speaker 1: or in this case, just kind of unique history touches
Speaker 1: mainstream like pop culture. That's interesting to me. And so
Speaker 1: you know that we're still talking about Ostiola. But the
Speaker 1: Decompass series I would not have known much about to come,
Speaker 1: anything about Tucumps nothing. And I was reading a book
Speaker 1: and it it's set and it talked about this this
Speaker 1: Shawnee leader and that his name meant panther crossing the sky.
Speaker 1: And when I when I when I heard what his
Speaker 1: name meant. And on the night to comes was born,
Speaker 1: a comet flashed across the sky. That's that's the lore
Speaker 1: of to Compson's birth. And they called him Panther crossing
Speaker 1: the sky. Well his yeah, his brother, but his brother
Speaker 1: was also a major political well he was a more
Speaker 1: of a religious leg yeah, squad. But when I heard
Speaker 1: about Panther crossing the sky, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: learn about that guy. And then he ends up, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such a fascinating story of who
Speaker 1: comes to was what did y'all think about, Uh, the
Speaker 1: all the other Bear Grease characters coming into play, Crockett
Speaker 1: and then to comes to and then then Boone, what
Speaker 1: did y'all think? Well, triggered, he was triggered.
Speaker 2: Triggered, you go triggered, it was triggered.
Speaker 1: Uh do you think Boone had a Shawnee wife? Do
Speaker 1: you remember the series?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, zero documentation this much.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think she brings a lot of really
Speaker 7: good points that it just it wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2: She was confident that it was that it happened.
Speaker 6: Oh, I know when that when that's when that came up.
Speaker 6: I remember this, and you can go back and listen
Speaker 6: to that render. Man, you jumped all over me for saying, Man,
Speaker 6: that's probably just the way it was back then.
Speaker 2: You're like, no, No, he was a he was a
Speaker 2: religious man. He wouldn't he wouldn't do that. And I thought, then, man.
Speaker 6: You are a product of your Listen a minute, you
Speaker 6: are a product of your environment. And it very well
Speaker 6: could have been not absolutely not abnormal at all to
Speaker 6: do that, And it could have been a position to
Speaker 6: where he was it not being abnormal, and also it
Speaker 6: could have been something that fit him into that community
Speaker 6: to be it.
Speaker 1: Let me know what alexis think about your doctrine, because listen.
Speaker 2: That ain't gonna fly, that ain't going to wash well.
Speaker 1: But listen, listen, this is what I was thinking, and
Speaker 1: and this is I can just tell you this is
Speaker 1: true if I'm captured by some foreign army and the
Speaker 1: only way for Clay Newcombe sitting today married to Misty
Speaker 1: Newcomb with the value system that I have, the kids
Speaker 1: that I have, the lifestyle that I have, the biblical
Speaker 1: doctrine that I have. No, it's not it's the same.
Speaker 1: And you say, you got to take this woman or die.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, dude, let's go. I'm out. Just
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 2: That's today, and I'm the same way change. I understand.
Speaker 2: Oh come on now, it absolutely didn't. It's the same
Speaker 2: today yesterday. I mean, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: My point is A is A. I think the point
Speaker 1: is strong is that like it if his he I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he had the same belief system is me.
Speaker 2: You have to you have to put yourself. You got
Speaker 2: to tell the story right, that's what you would do exactly.
Speaker 2: You don't know what Daniel Boone did, but he's the
Speaker 2: same as Daniel Boone.
Speaker 1: That's that's where I'm getting passionate about defense of Boone's character.
Speaker 1: I think if you put Osceola in prison and you
Speaker 1: you told him to defy his culture at a very
Speaker 1: base level, he would have said, I ain't doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm dying. That's what he said. That's what he did.
Speaker 1: That's what it comes to. I mean, like people that
Speaker 1: have a rock hard value sism that's connected to their
Speaker 1: culture will die for it. Garrett, I think he absolutely
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, well, I think it's a it was a
Speaker 5: different time. I know, you have like a very strong
Speaker 5: value system and that's been shaped by the world that
Speaker 5: you've lived in from the time you were born until now.
Speaker 5: And I think trying to insert yourself, like if you
Speaker 5: took that same narrative of what it was, five or
Speaker 5: seven out of the first nine presidents owned slaves, right, Okay,
Speaker 5: would you own a slave right now? But do you
Speaker 5: think George Washington share like had a different value system
Speaker 5: than you did foundationally?
Speaker 2: Right? And so I think it's like really hard to
Speaker 2: say that product daytime.
Speaker 5: That Daniel Boone from the time he was born to
Speaker 5: going and being inserted in that tribe would have made
Speaker 5: him not assimilate or do something like that.
Speaker 2: I just don't think we could say that he would.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good point.
Speaker 2: Where was he from nine to thirteen?
Speaker 1: Good point?
Speaker 2: He was a pan That's what I got from this
Speaker 2: whole podcast.
Speaker 1: No, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you saying.
Speaker 1: I think it's just a fun like mental.
Speaker 2: Health and you've seen it with people. I mean, people
Speaker 2: do fall, right, so we are people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't put it not to trigger you any further, Clay,
Speaker 3: but I've seen some and I've seen it personally. Just
Speaker 3: people strong in their faith make bad decisions. So who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't really know a lot about about
Speaker 1: Boon's Boon's faith. But just just the assumption if you
Speaker 1: were well, just the assumption that because it was the
Speaker 1: the trend of the time, that you would do it,
Speaker 1: I think is unfair. Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 1: That's all. Okay, Now, how much time or where we at?
Speaker 1: I have no concept of time. I mean, how long
Speaker 1: we've been going.
Speaker 5: We're blown over by two hours technically, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, oh we always go over an hour. We're good,
Speaker 1: We're good.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1: No, No, I just wanted to make sure we had
Speaker 1: been going, like an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, push cord yet again? Do it again? Hey, can
Speaker 2: we do this whole conversation but condensed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just as natural? But oh wow, yep, oh it was.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to me too. So we we did
Speaker 1: a big series on Crockett and uh Crockett, who was?
Speaker 1: Who was? You know, it's so not politically correct to
Speaker 1: like say this, but he was known as an Indian hunter,
Speaker 1: you know, which is a wild thing to say and think.
Speaker 1: But like at that time, that's what people became known for.
Speaker 1: Political figures like would get known in these wars against
Speaker 1: Native Americans and would gain clout and status and whatnot.
Speaker 1: He was known as a kind of known as an
Speaker 1: Indian hunter. But he actually wasn't like today. If you
Speaker 1: I bet if you pulled a bunch of people here, now,
Speaker 1: these people would know who Crockett is because we're in
Speaker 1: we're in.
Speaker 7: The end zone.
Speaker 1: But Crockett, he did fight in the Red Stick War,
Speaker 1: so he fought against the Creeks under and Uh under
Speaker 1: Andrew Jackson. And but that incident of watching that really
Speaker 1: impacted him for the rest of his life. He would
Speaker 1: not eat potatoes. That's that was what was said. But
Speaker 1: then you know, he recounted in his autobiography about how
Speaker 1: like he wasn't cool with that. And then later in
Speaker 1: his political career when it had been would have been
Speaker 1: very advantageous for him to side with Andrew Jackson and everything,
Speaker 1: he vehemently opposed the Indian Removal Act and then even
Speaker 1: saying I'm doing this so that in the looking there
Speaker 1: at that blue tick dog, that's not the real smoky.
Speaker 4: Is it.
Speaker 2: Pampered somewhere?
Speaker 1: I bet nice looking bluetick.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He said so in the in in Judgment day, I'm
Speaker 1: found on the right side, which was a pretty progressive
Speaker 1: position because I mean, obviously most of America was okay
Speaker 1: with this and was behind it, you know, And it
Speaker 1: probably was one of those social deals that if you
Speaker 1: went and talked to an individual and so, hey, what
Speaker 1: do you think about us moving all these people out
Speaker 1: of their home and sending them they might have said, man,
Speaker 1: it's kind of sad. But then it's like, but what
Speaker 1: what's your stance on the political part of it? It
Speaker 1: would have been like, well, I kind of want to
Speaker 1: live in Alabama, you know.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's one of those deals where they're.
Speaker 4: The human side of it, probably detached a little bit
Speaker 4: from the political side of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot like today.
Speaker 1: And I think Crockett he saw those people, yeah, getting
Speaker 1: killed and then and then he did he did have rapport.
Speaker 2: With what's perspective too, Like he was in it. He
Speaker 2: saw the suffering.
Speaker 4: When you're detached from it and you don't see that,
Speaker 4: you don't see that stuff every day. You're like a
Speaker 4: that doesn't happen, It's not.
Speaker 2: Everything changes once it becomes personal once it's real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 7: A lot different written on you know in the newspaper.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're like, oh, there's no human aspect of it.
Speaker 2: You know, you just read over it.
Speaker 4: It's just a headline or it's just a something you
Speaker 4: see and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: And then when you see it in person, you see
Speaker 4: the you're like, oh, dang, yeah, there's a human side
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I felt like that was a redemptive moment in Crockett's life,
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually what spurred him to go to
Speaker 1: Texas because he didn't get re elected because of that,
Speaker 1: partly because of that position in his stance against Andrew Jackson,
Speaker 1: and he was kind of ticked off and was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to Texas. And he goes
Speaker 1: down to Texas and dies. We were three months in
Speaker 1: the Alamo. But I also thought about I almost didn't
Speaker 1: put that story in the podcast, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: I knew that a lot of my Seminole Native American
Speaker 1: friends were going to listen to this, and I thought about, like,
Speaker 1: what if we told a story about your family, they
Speaker 1: got something like very gruesome and dark. You know. We
Speaker 1: it's so easy for us to because here I am
Speaker 1: almost saying, like telling this story and at the end
Speaker 1: there was something positive, which I saying. This ended up
Speaker 1: being a place where Crockett kind of redeemed himself in
Speaker 1: my mind his stance on removal, and like, I bet
Speaker 1: if they were talking about my family, I would be like,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty nice spin. Yeah you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, so I'm conscious of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: But it But anyway, so will we hear any of
Speaker 7: those same guests in part two all.
Speaker 1: And there'll be a new guest at some point. It
Speaker 1: was going to be a new guy.
Speaker 4: The level of editing was impressive, like that you had
Speaker 4: to go to all these different places and then intertact
Speaker 4: that that was that was way above my pay grade.
Speaker 4: But my podcast, I'm like, nah, dude, hits starting when
Speaker 4: it's about an hour and a half, we're done, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, that was that was impressive.
Speaker 5: But the audience probably doesn't realize with Clay is when
Speaker 5: like some people will just have a mission of getting
Speaker 5: a podcast and they start on one day and end
Speaker 5: on the next day and then that's the podcast play
Speaker 5: will go months getting feedback and and sound bites about
Speaker 5: multiple podcasts he has in his mind from different people
Speaker 5: and different guests, and then it all comes together like this,
Speaker 5: and it's it is intensive. I've never seen and I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna toot your horn for a little bit. I
Speaker 5: have never seen a podcast host.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I know, I don't.
Speaker 5: I've never seen a podcast host. They'll take more personal
Speaker 5: ownership in the edit and splicing together of a podcast
Speaker 5: than Clay Like it is.
Speaker 2: It's really cool to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it man now. And and that's where
Speaker 1: I'm grateful to. Uh, just having the opportunity to dedicate
Speaker 1: this much time. I mean, like, imagine if you were
Speaker 1: working nine to five stock and groceries.
Speaker 4: And then and then had to train, did that early on,
Speaker 4: not stocking groceries, but yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 1: You wake up everything you think about training.
Speaker 2: I think about it.
Speaker 1: I get to wake up every day and think about
Speaker 1: content for the most part, you know, and uh, it
Speaker 1: shows like it's yeah, well, and and telling these stories
Speaker 1: has been I love it. I really do love it.
Speaker 7: Did she go on? You know, she talked about that
Speaker 7: figurine that her friend found in Belgium that was made
Speaker 7: in Italy. She going any more like off camera about
Speaker 7: like his world renowned popularity other than just.
Speaker 1: Not really not really. I mean there you start looking
Speaker 1: around and you see a lot of stuff, not just
Speaker 1: from Osceola, but just like Native American kind of totems
Speaker 1: and different parts and just all over. It's all over, yeah, everywhere.
Speaker 1: But we are going to talk about the Florida State Seminoles,
Speaker 1: you know, being a college football.
Speaker 2: Act as a mascot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty passionate about it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's there's a pretty interesting story there. But uh,
Speaker 1: well man again, we're in uh, we're in Knoxville. Game
Speaker 1: is gonna start here in a little bit.
Speaker 5: I got something for you, okay, James, Peter, Nancy, Paulie
Speaker 5: William we didn't do trivia.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Now now you just have to ask what is that.
Speaker 1: I can't believe speed trivia a right. The first person
Speaker 1: to spout it off wins. I can't believe I always
Speaker 1: do this. I gotta have somebody keeping me on track. Trivia, Okay,
Speaker 1: whoever gets the most points and just whoever I says
Speaker 1: gets the point get the point? No, no, hassling.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 1: Number one.
Speaker 7: What Spanish word cimarron?
Speaker 1: One point? You keep you keep your own score. The
Speaker 1: question was what Spanish words is the name seminole taken
Speaker 1: from cimarron means wild ones. It's pretty cool. Number two Okay,
Speaker 1: Josh Bilmaker made these questions that I think he made
Speaker 1: him for, like his like young kids. They're pretty They're
Speaker 1: pretty basic. I was looking for, Josh, I was looking
Speaker 1: for something a little more from Okay, where was the
Speaker 1: Ostiola statue gifted to doctor Patricia Wickman purchased and made
Speaker 1: from where Italy? Okay was happy Belgium. Somebody put those
Speaker 1: two together. Okay, point Josh.
Speaker 2: Well he was asking about it. I feel like these
Speaker 2: are unfair. He already knows them all.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, you get that point, you get the point
Speaker 1: one to one. Coach number three, Okay, now this one.
Speaker 1: Just raise your hand and I'll call on you. Okay,
Speaker 1: who can give a decent explanation of the genealogy of
Speaker 1: Ostiola leading to his English name? Which was so the answer?
Speaker 1: Hold his English name and the genealogy, Garrett, do you
Speaker 1: have an answer?
Speaker 2: Billy Powell?
Speaker 5: Okay, this is the English name and he was one
Speaker 5: eighth native of Scottish origin.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's not I'm asking for a decent Well.
Speaker 2: You want you want just what I just said? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what he just said.
Speaker 5: Uh, James was his great great grandpa. You actually got
Speaker 5: it wrong on your podcast. It was his great great
Speaker 5: grandpa in seventeen sixteen to James, and Peter was his son.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: Then Nancy it is Peter's daughter. Then Paulie was Nancy's
Speaker 5: daughter that hooked up William yep, which was Billy's dad.
Speaker 1: That was impressive. That was impressive.
Speaker 2: That's why I get your hands somewhere. All right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're giving you two points.
Speaker 2: It's a tag game.
Speaker 1: This is y'all can get your own podcast if you
Speaker 1: want to make the rules.
Speaker 2: This is my rules. Okay, that's like those sandwiches.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is this one. This is a low hanging fruit.
Speaker 1: Y'all be ready, hands on the buzzers. What does Austin
Speaker 1: oldest name mean? Oh?
Speaker 2: The black Drink. Oh yeah, the name of the podcast,
Speaker 2: the Black Drinking.
Speaker 1: Who said it singer? The correct answer is black Drink singer,
Speaker 1: Black drink singer. Did you say, Okay, what's the score?
Speaker 2: Then three three one two. I got six got nothing. Okay,
Speaker 2: I feel like that one is a little shady. I
Speaker 2: just know I have one more point than Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, this one is like way too hard, Josh,
Speaker 1: like turned the throttle like all the way to the top.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know who this was. Okay, who is
Speaker 1: the artist famous for painting the portrait of Osceola stabbing pains?
Speaker 1: Treaty with the Night.
Speaker 2: That's a winner. Takes all of the.
Speaker 7: Sterling, har Joe, I remember that they disagreed that it happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, famously.
Speaker 1: It's it's like a modern guy that was the chief
Speaker 1: of the in the Seminole tribe. The sterling stated his name.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna get it. I wouldn't remembered.
Speaker 1: His name is Enoch Kelly Haney.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even ring a bell.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks Josh. Okay, Josh, let's
Speaker 1: see last question. But there's actually two more questions, but
Speaker 1: we've already answered this one. So hands on the buzzers.
Speaker 1: What percentage Muskogee Creek? Do historians agree that was? Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta say one quick thing. Some of
Speaker 1: the Seminoles dispute some of the genealogy of of Osiola.
Speaker 2: The Floridians are the ones in Oklahoma.
Speaker 7: The Floridians dispute. Well, oh, no, I guess you could
Speaker 7: be either way.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not even going to go into that much detail,
Speaker 1: but there is dispute. Some people are like, no, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't seven eighths Scottish.
Speaker 4: So that was interesting too that the him being part
Speaker 4: of the community had more weight than the actual blood,
Speaker 4: you know, because we we attached so much blood.
Speaker 7: Which is interesting when you look at the portrait, I mean,
Speaker 7: you don't see one eighth in seven eighth?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure? Did you?
Speaker 1: Did you like it when doctor Wickman said, you're you're
Speaker 1: looking at this all wrong. Yeah, you're focusing on what
Speaker 1: non Indians focused on. That was another time she got
Speaker 1: put me in my place and slap it. She was like,
Speaker 1: quit talking, let me this is my podcast.
Speaker 2: Boy.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, last question, last question, and right now
Speaker 1: the current score is three to one to two. I
Speaker 1: got what was the name of the village where Osceola
Speaker 1: was born? Oh? Said multiple must gogi. No, I would
Speaker 1: have had a hard time with it. The correct answer
Speaker 1: is to Lashie and it's it's in Alabama, in Alabama,
Speaker 1: and they know right where the town was. I'm not
Speaker 1: certain exactly what modern town is there, but like that's
Speaker 1: where he was born. So congratulations, bring me down?
Speaker 2: Was it really?
Speaker 1: What's a good tie breaker we could do? We can't
Speaker 1: have the tie.
Speaker 2: What was the year he moved fourteen? There?
Speaker 4: It was?
Speaker 1: Whoa do you know that was happening? I almost want
Speaker 1: to count that question.
Speaker 2: The year he moved to.
Speaker 1: Would you have known that as quick as him?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, great he would you would have you have known
Speaker 1: it quicker than him?
Speaker 7: No, I'm not saying quicker.
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, Yes, get another question, another question.
Speaker 1: If he would have said yeah, I would have got
Speaker 1: it quicker. I would have You know, this is a
Speaker 1: rare moment in the man life when he's able to
Speaker 1: just like public. Harasso helped me with another question.
Speaker 7: Oh, what was Andrew Jackson's nickname? Old hickto?
Speaker 1: Congratulations? Congratulations, great win.
Speaker 2: Was our winner? Jackson? Sorry, it's just hard losing first.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, It's been like fun, a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you absolutely great, Garrett Hunter, awesome, thanks guys, appreciate it.