WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 6/15: Minicamp Observations and Position-by-Position Breakdown 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.920 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.720 Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.760 Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by Power. 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:20.040 Barat Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:20.680 Yeah. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.040 I just want to see him punch an offensive lineman him. Now, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:25.080 that's all I want to see him doing. Have him 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.520 line up across from the other guy and just come 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:29.040 out of that seat because he, like you said, the 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.479 way he comes out of that stance, just bull rush 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.600 that other guy till he can't handle it, because that 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.640 is going to be a long day for whoever is 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:37.199 lining up off. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:40.360 Yeah, who are you even talking about? 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.160 Keon White? It was metaphorically speaking. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.720 Man, But you want to see him punch of guys. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.920 I just wanted we saw you saw how big powerful he. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:51.360 I just want to seem over power lineman. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.160 He's a big guy. We'll get to Minnie Camp and 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.600 all of our takeaways. We're gonna as we do, We're 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.480 gonna rattle off position by a position as fast as 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.280 and as a fly as we can. So you know, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.399 Marine strap In, It's gonna be be a little while. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.000 But I have two takes off the top of the show, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.760 Alex barth Evan Lazar Patriots Catch twenty two with you, 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.280 probably for the next hour and thirty. I would say, 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.200 but like I just said, we're not usually very efficient 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.240 when we go position by a position and run through 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.480 the entire roster like we like to do. But first 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.320 things first, right off the top, if you see us 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.080 on video on YouTube, thank you for watching us on 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.319 on YouTube. You can leave comments things like that, we 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.600 love those. If you see us looking down at our 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:39.200 phones constantly throughout the entire show, then you all know 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.040 what Because DeAndre Hopkins is he's somewhere in this building 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.880 right now that we're taping this podcast in I had. 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.880 Unless they took him out for lunch. It's a little 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:49.960 it's a little late for lunch. I forgot. I don't 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.520 have a normal dining. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.200 So this is this is no joke, no cap right now, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.480 Oh don't know. I had. You're thirty a dream, You're okay, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.920 but say, no joke. This is actually true. I had 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.640 a dream, Alex that I was the reason why the 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.880 Patriots did not sign DeAndre Hopkins, that it was my fault. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.800 So I've spent the entire day avoiding the football department 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.520 side of things here at the office, like the place. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:19.480 Wait, wait, what did you do? 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.440 I bumped into him and I and I fan boyd 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.679 and then he got onto a podcast and he was like, yeah, 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.480 there was like this really nerdy kid that like was 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.240 all like fanboy and stuff like that, and it just 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.520 rubbed me the wrong way. It was bad vibes, and 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.200 I just I just liked the vibe in Tennessee better. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.679 And I was like, everyone's gonna know that's me. I do. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.920 So that's that's not unrealist, not unrealistic. So I've been 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.000 keeping my distance. I don't want to I don't want 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.240 to see him. Don't ask me for pictures, don't ask 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.400 me to stick it out. I'm not doing it. So 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.280 we'll be on DeAndre Hopkins watch I think for right now, 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.920 it's only two o'clock. So I don't everybody calm down, 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.080 like the fact that we have no news does I 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.760 mean anything yet? Yeah. The report started trickling out of 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.160 Tennessee around four four thirty. I would say on Monday, 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.960 go we can go find it directly that you know, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.120 good visit, but we're we're gonna keep in touch, but 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.920 no no deal imminent or whatever. So we still got 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.280 a couple more hours, but we're on Hopkins watch here, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.600 as is all of New England as we Is it. 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.240 Bad that I think we're gonna get the same tweet today? 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:25.480 Not that that's what I want. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.040 I'm very I think I've made it very clear how 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:28.800 I feel about it. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.040 But no, no, I think that that's very valid and 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:32.840 very possible. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.560 Because all right, so hang on, Diana Russini tweeted at 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.800 six twenty three pm. That's like on what was that 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.080 on Monday? Yeah, six twenty three pm. But remember Tennessee 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.280 is an hour behind. 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:50.640 Yeah, I think they are. I think you're right. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.560 I don't actually know if that matters or not, but 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.160 uh so six twenty three. And then Jordan Schultz was 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:57.600 the other one. He tweets a lot. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.480 I'm gonna have to scroll here. Yeah right, No, he 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.080 hed it to me, so I got this one, uh 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.320 successful visit with the Titans. So his two he was 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.400 also at six. So we're ways away. So maybe here 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.480 it's five. If that, If that our time difference clock 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.720 is horrible, but maybe that that's the case. Regardless, the 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.160 overall point is is that no news means nothing at 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.479 two o'clock in the afternoon. We got a couple of 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.000 hours to go before we can really hope to hear something. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.640 I would even say if we get no news today, yeah, 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.960 that's very good. That's a very good sign. If we 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.640 don't get the I and honestly so I think we're 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.320 getting the around dinner time. Yeah, good visit. He's left 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.000 the building. It was a good visit. But he's gonna 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.960 continue explorers options might take more visits. Ian Rappaport said yesterday, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.479 but he doesn't want to sign till camp. There's really 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.440 no incentive for him to do it. The Patriots have 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.800 to give him the reason to sign before training camp. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.800 That being set, so I think is gonna happen. That 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:56.880 is what I think is going to happen. If we 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.640 get nothing today. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.520 They're negotiating. Then there there. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:06.760 I wouldn't even say negotiating finalizing. If we get nothing today, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.680 they're they're waiting for me to get in the T 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.520 box Saturday afternoon on my golf trip to announce it. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.120 I just know it. I just know it. Or on Monday, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.320 which is technically a craft group holiday. Thank you mister 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.520 mister Kraft for Juneteenth. So that's gonna happen. Too. But 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.800 I here's my quick thing on d hop because I 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.400 do want to spend most of the show on any camps. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.600 But sorry, just just to re reiterate that point, just 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.120 to close the point, no news is good news for 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:32.720 the next like two or three days, and then it 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:33.480 gets a little worry. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.200 So here here's my over arching thing with d Hop. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.640 I I have been all in on this to begin with. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.039 I I see no reason at this point to to 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.679 not just put the bag on the table and and 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.480 and make this happen. I really don't. I I don't. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.960 I understand that there's always always the fear of the 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.000 dark horse, the always the fear of the team coming 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.320 out of nowhere and and swooping in at the last 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:02.120 minute like that. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:03.760 Which, by the way, I have my team for that 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:04.599 which we can go to. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.840 But there's always that fear. I don't read this situation 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:14.839 quite the same because he's been available since March, right 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.640 like he so all the teams that have had interest 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.360 in him or whether it's trade interest or now interests 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.960 as a free agent. He has been available for months. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.760 So this is not like a situation where like all 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.640 of a sudden, DeAndre Hopkins is available and nobody saw 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.200 this coming. Like, we've all known that DeAndre Hopkins can 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.640 be had, whether it was via trade or now via 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.640 free agency. So if all of a sudden a team 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.760 comes out of nowhere at this stage, I just I 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.360 don't see it. I there were no major wide receiver 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.720 injuries in mini camps or OTAs, like. It wasn't like 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.320 one of the contenders lost their their number one or 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.599 number two guide to a torn acl thank god, in 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.960 the middle of June, right because I hate when that happens. 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.640 So I don't one of the Saints draft picks towards 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.200 ac on the last play of OTA. 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.320 Yeah, I mean that's brutal. I don't see it. I 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.560 think that Hopkins knows who his suitors are. His suitors 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.600 have reached out. I think they've been in touched probably 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.400 for months at this point, So I don't see it. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.680 We all want him here. The Patriots should want him here. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:22.920 I think the Patriots do want him here, otherwise he 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.680 wouldn't be on this visit. Who's your dark horse? 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.640 So this isn't based on anything. I haven't heard anything. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.680 This is just objectively looking at things. I was going 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.080 back through because when they said he might take more visits. Right, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:35.840 all right, we kind of heard the Texans might be 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.160 a team. I know they said the Browns are out, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.560 but like, yeah, they could get back in maybe, who knows. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.280 I know some people talked about the Cowboys, the Bills, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.320 the Chiefs. Don't have the money. So I'm going back 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:45.760 through it, like, all right, what teams did we not 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.360 cover that would make sense? Why are the Jacksonville Jaguars 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:49.920 not all over this? 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:50.760 That's a good point. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.840 They have a ton of money. They don't really have 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.760 that true number one. I mean, Kirk had a great 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.360 year for them, Yeah, but he's not that kind of 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:58.559 he's a slot receiver. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.160 And they also got Calvin Ridley back, and. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.160 They have the court. It's it's the same thing as 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.320 the Patriots. You have the quarterback on the rookie deal capitalized. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.360 Oh yeah, no, I still think it's a possibility. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:10.440 But I've heard nothing about them. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.560 Don't think it's obviously really good player when his when. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:14.600 He's also doesn't play here. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.600 I mean you don't know. Yeah, all right, so that 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.680 that's where things stand with Hopkins. I didn't think of Jacksonville. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.920 That's a good one. I think that there. To me, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.920 it's just like you know the Rappaport thing about how 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.360 we could wait the training camp to see if a 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.760 true contender like a Kansas City or a Buffalo don't 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.440 say it, you know Buffalo, Buffalo, Kansas City, you know, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.560 places like that could swoop in. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.040 Can I give you one thought on Buffalo on it 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:41.520 doesn't make sense. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.120 But the main thing is with those teams, yes, they 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:48.959 could figure out come August, Like Kansas City could panic 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.880 and be like, oh god, like our number one receiver 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.120 right now, not outside of Travis Kelsey Sky Moore, right like, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.760 and it's not good enough. But that doesn't create cap space, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.120 right like, that doesn't create wiggle room in terms of money. 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:06.600 So yeah, that these contenders could recognize or somebody could 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.120 get hurt and that could create a spot. But at 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.720 the end of the day, like, they can't pay him 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.360 anymore than they can pay him now. So I don't 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.960 know if it necessarily does the trick for it completely 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.880 to me that Rapaport report yesterday, I think you agree, 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.679 Alex was agent speak for well, just make us a 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:23.880 great offer, get. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.440 Us the reason, and not yeah, yeah, what's your Well. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.920 So here's an interesting one. Rapport was on the pat 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:30.720 McAfee show. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:31.520 This was yesterday. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.199 No, he was on again like ten minutes ago. Oh, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.679 DeAndre Hot, So I have to listen to the whole thing. 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:39.880 But I'm just reading the quote they tweeted out. DeAndre 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.679 Hawkins is still on his New England visit, which is interesting. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.960 It makes sense to me for d Hot to wait. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.680 But if the Patriots come in with the right number 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:53.280 and he's there, anything is possible. So maybe uh thing 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.080 on the bills. And this is not even Evan, it's 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:57.559 not a Bill's hater take for me, this is a 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.800 legitimate take. We know that there's so thing going on 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.880 with Stefan Diggs. We don't know what it is, but 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.120 the rumblings are it might be contract related. Oh really, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.960 I mean there's been a couple different rumors, but that 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.120 one's that. That's one that's been floated. He doesn't have 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.000 his contracts big, but not a lot of it's guaranteed. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.480 And well, if he plays, he'll probably hit those numbers. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.040 He wants to take care of himself, which he has 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.800 all the right to do. If your star wide receiver's 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.640 mad because you're not giving him enough money and you 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.400 turn around and give that money to another wide receiver. 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:31.160 That's a mistake. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.560 Yeah, that's fair, so especially for a thirty one year 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.800 old DeAndre hops Right, we're both very high on but 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:37.000 is not ranks. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.680 Like you could see how that Rubs digs the wrong way. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.160 Now it's snowballing. And this is not me saying this, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.920 this was Josh Allen said this. They cannot be who 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.600 they are offensively without Stefan Diggs. Yeah, he's the guy 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.680 that makes it. So that's why I rule out the 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.600 bills because if it is a financial thing with Diggs, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.640 it would be monumentally stupid of them to pay Hawkins. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.960 Unless Hawkins. If it's a thing where Hopkins is coming 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.800 for a million dollars, that changes things. But I really 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.280 don't think that's what's happening now. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.680 Quickly on Diggs and then we're really gonna get into 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:10.800 mini camp. Star wide receivers and we know this in 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.840 New England because we experienced it with Randy Moss. Star 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.240 wide receivers have a shelf life. They all do. Whether 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.240 it's Randy Moss into the Patriots t o at all 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.640 of his various stops. Like for the most part, those 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.760 types of like diva wide receiver types eventually they outwear 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.160 they're welcome as good as they are on the field, 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.600 like Tyreek Hill in Kansas City, right, Like, eventually it 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.600 comes to a head. If you're a Patriots fan and 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.320 you like to to hope for other people's demises, like 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.520 like I think I do. I don't know about you, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.880 but I'm totally okay with it falling apart in Buffalo. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.440 That's totally fine with me. If you want to think 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.640 like that, that's the angle to me. I don't know. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.319 But if it's necessarily about money, certainly money all makes 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:05.480 everybody happier. But I think it's I think Diggs is 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:11.640 growing impatient with the lack of winning. And I say winning, 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.440 I mean playoff winning, right, like actually winning, not not 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:15.160 Buffalo winning. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:16.680 Well, but I was told by all the Bills fans 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.520 all this regular season wins meant so much, so. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.160 I said, not Buffalo winning, like when the afcast when 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:27.959 the Patriots are rebuilding, and yeah, okay. Wide receivers like that. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.280 They they tend to get antsy, they tend to get disgruntled, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:37.200 they tend to get malcontent. Ye when they're not getting 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.800 something that they want, it can't It might be money 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.079 for digs. It can't be production like he's he's an 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:43.640 all appropriate. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.360 Yeah. I keep saying that, people saying like, oh, they 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:46.760 need to get him the ball more? How much more? 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.079 Are you? Right? No, it can't be that. I think 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.160 it has to come down. It comes down to whatever 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.400 went down that week ahead of the Bengals playoff game, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.200 and then the Bengals playoff game itself. I think he 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.360 felt like like they let go of the rope, right, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.520 like you know that, and to him, I think at 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.760 this stage it's unacceptable to not be fully locked in. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.280 So I'm ready for Buffalo to fall apart. I'm good 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.280 with that. But let's talk about the team here locally 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.400 and talk about the Patriots. Here's my big takeaway for 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.720 Minnie Camp and I'm curious to get your big picture 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.040 takeaway and then we'll get into the nitty gritty. And 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:23.640 I said this on PU and it's a little bit 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.880 of a repeat if you heard there. But my big 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:30.520 thing is with the Patriots right now is that I 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.679 feel like they now have the coaching chops and they 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.680 now have the roster to be a competitive football team 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.120 that is in most games. The question that I have 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:46.640 with them is are they going to have the high 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:51.080 end talent against the other good teams that they're gonna 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.760 play this year, the other playoff caliber rosters that when 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.559 the chips are down, they make the plays late in 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.320 the fourth quarter and they win those football games. Right, Like, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:04.440 are they going to win that Cincinnati game last year? 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.640 That one always comes back to me, just because they 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.079 had all the momentum and they fumble at the ten 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.360 yard line and they lose the game. Are they gonna 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.560 win games like that now? Are they gonna win some 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.679 games that are higher scoring? Are they gonna have the 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.120 high end talent really offensively? Because I can talk myself 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.160 into the high end talent being there defensively from some 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.760 of the younger players like the last couple draft classes. 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.560 But offensively, I think that they're gonna be competent. I 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.360 think that they're headed in the right direction. I think 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.240 that there's a lot of there's a roadmap to where 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.680 they're going schematically, how it all connects schematically, Like when 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.280 we see different pockets of practice, you can see all, right, 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.320 they're doing this now to build it off of that, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.080 and you can you can see all of it coming 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.160 together and see where where we're headed. There's a lot 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.280 of instances, you know, that were different from last year 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:59.120 in these practices, Like, okay, it's third down, the defensive 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.040 comes to line scrimmage, got seven guys up on the 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.560 line of scrimmage. They're they're showing all out pressure. They're 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.480 showing the zero blitz. How are we blocking it? Where 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:12.320 are my hots? What are my receivers doing? Where do 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.480 I go to escape the pressure? Right? If we're gonna 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.640 block it and we're gonna slide it this way, then 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.120 that means the free runner is where? 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:19.560 Right? 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:24.120 Like, what's the problem solving going on? Prestap and the 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.800 play that I keep going back to. I believe it 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.120 was on a day one in mini camp. It might 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.200 have been that Friday practice. Those two kind of blended 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.800 together for me. They all blend together at this point. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.400 They they showed that all out pressure. Look, Mac made 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.720 some adjustments at the line of scrimmage. You know, God 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.560 is his blockers in order and made sure everybody knew 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.480 who was blocking who made a signal out to the receivers, 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.920 and he hit Kendrick Bourne on like a five yard 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.880 slant for a big play against the pressure. Yep, to 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.360 do that be doing that already in the spring. They 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.520 didn't do that at all last year, Like that never 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.680 happened even in the regular season, right, they know, Okay, 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.960 they're bringing pressure. What's my answer? Like, what what's my 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.440 solve here? And they already have some of that going on, 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.880 which is really really good. But I still come back 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:18.080 to do they have enough high end talent to put 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.400 them over the top, Like, and I'm not just talking 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.680 about receivers. I'm also talking about tackle and I'm also 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.000 talking about the quarterback. And ultimately that's what it comes 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.040 down to is third and six. You know, take away 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.320 the down, two minutes to go three point, you're trailing 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.680 by three, Like, can you put the drive together? Can 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.760 you march down the field? Can you finish the game? 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.440 Can the defense get off the field and present that 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.320 opportunity for the offense? Like those are the types of 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.560 things that I'm still not one hundred percent short because 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.440 the two Bills. I think I'm gonna start calling them that. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.680 No, because it's already. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.400 Thanks that I know, but it's like it's so much easier, but. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.520 It has such a different connotation calling Bill and Bill. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.920 Bill and Bill can do all the smoke and mirrors. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.040 They can do all the scheming, they can do all 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.080 the game planning, they can do all the disguising defensively, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.360 and motion and RPO and this and that offensively. At 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.080 the end of the day, it's gonna be our best 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.639 against your best, and is the Patriots best gonna be 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.119 good enough? And I'm not talking about good enough against 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.520 like the Commanders, right, We're talking about good enough against 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:28.160 Philly and Week one Buffalo Miami, assuming Tua is healthy. Now, 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.359 the Jets with Aaron Rodgers and I still have some 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.159 serious doubts about whether or not they have enough in 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.520 that department. There's a couple of sources where that can 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.920 come from. One, the quarterback takes a big leap forward, 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.360 right If mac Jones is a much much improved passer 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:49.080 and playmaker, then maybe that that propels them forward. The 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:50.880 other one is obviously the one that we just spent 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.880 fifteen minutes talking about, right, and that's DeAndre Hopkins coming here. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:59.719 But internally, your veteran receivers, like I'm impressed by Gisiki. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.080 I to talk about him positively when we get to 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.800 the tight ends or whatever you want to call him, 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.639 they're kind of known commodities, right, Like you know, as 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.679 much as Mikasiki I think is a really is a 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:14.000 good football player. Mikasiki is not going for fourteen hundred yards, right, Like, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.480 we know who Mikeasiki is at his best. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.520 Clip it, clip it. Evan says, Mike is sick. He's 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:19.879 not going for fourteen hundred yard. 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.320 You we know at his best, he's a seven hundred 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.320 yard guy, right, we know at at his best that 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.320 Juju is probably what he was last year in Kansas City. 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.000 He's he could. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.159 Maybe it's just on volume. Juju could get to a 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:35.600 thousand yards, Okay. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.040 But we're capped, right, And I don't mean it in 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.520 the other way. I mean like there's a ceiling to 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:41.480 all of this there there. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.720 Yeah, And by the way, what'd you say, a sickie's 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.120 I think eight hundred seven hundred right in Miami, like seven. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.199 Hundred eighty and twenty twenty one. Yeah, So that's a 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:50.720 ceiling that that was his best. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:52.880 Yea, that's a fair that's that's a fair one, right. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.200 And so I just don't I don't know where the 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.840 needle mover comes. And that's exactly how I felt going. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.720 So I think in a lot of ways, and if 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:07.280 you want to spin it positively, Mini camp and OTA's 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.760 confirmed all of my priors right like, in a good way. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:15.400 They're a competent offense, they're being well coached again, they're together, 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.600 they have a plan that we can see coming together 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.040 that will hopefully come together by the end of August. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.280 And defensively, they've got all sorts of options and talent 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.360 and versatility and a lot of fun on that side 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:28.840 of the ball. And I'm bullish on the defense, and 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.720 we'll get to that in a second. But I still 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.840 just feel like offensively, I can't get to that point 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.840 where I feel like, really really excited about this group. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.920 I think they're gonna be fine. I think they're gonna 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.320 be good, but I'm still just not not sure that 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.920 they're gonna be where they truly need to be in 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.400 a lot of the ways. You know, those clutch plays, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:53.040 those fourth quarters, the ability to win a game thirty 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.800 eight to thirty five, right Like, that's the difference between 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.080 seven wins and ten in this league is a couple 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.159 of games going your way that maybe you expected to 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:06.120 not go your way. Finishing and closing out games late, 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.800 like not having what happened against Cincinnati, not having what 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.359 happened against Vegas, Like, that's the difference between being in 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.880 the playoffs and not being in the playoffs, and that 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.000 margin is still there for this team. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:18.920 Yeah, I agree with you. Well, I think a lot 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.960 of that was coaching, and the idea is that they've 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.480 rounded themselves out on the margins a little bit and 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.080 they can be better in those situations. My big takeaway 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.080 was kind of the same as yours, is the Bill 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.800 O'Brien effect is real, and I don't know that he 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.880 fixes everything. And I still have one major concern about 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.000 the offense. We'll get into there's some other like minor ones, 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.840 but I have one major concern about the offense. But 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:45.280 in so many facets, Bill O'Brien has turned around this 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.480 offensive operation. I mean, just big picture, the operation itself. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.360 They didn't have to stop practice, they have to repeat 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:56.640 things they didn't like. They it was a normal Mac 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.320 Jones were normal. It's a normal NFL practice on the 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.080 offensive side of the ball. Speaking of mac Jones, he 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.320 is the quarterback. There is no competition. They're not screwing 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.520 around giving Bailey's appy reps. They are getting mac Jones 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.120 ready for the season as they should, which we talked 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:13.880 about whatever it was a week ago, two weeks ago 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.520 when we previewed spring practices. Mac Jones is the guy. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.880 This team's ceiling is at its tiest with Mac Jones 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.880 a quarterback. You can't waste time getting two guys ready 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.960 for the season. It needs to be mac Jones getting ready. 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:27.840 That's what they're doing. That feels like an O'Brien decision 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:30.440 based on some of the things Bill said in the offseason. 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.080 Well, I can't imagine O'Brien's here to coach Bailey's appy, right, 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:34.439 no offense to Bailey's appy. 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:38.760 But we aren't surprised. We were trying to tell everybody else, 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.600 and it's so funny. People from other markets are like, 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.600 why are you reporting there's no quarterback competition? 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:45.240 Of course there's not. 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.320 Come here and listen. And then there's the actual offense 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.560 part of it and the things they're doing offensively, the motion, 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.800 the concepts, the personnel groupings, the spacing, the rap combinations, 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.560 all of it that just look right to look right. 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:05.160 And it's not just a good offense. It's built on 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:08.800 mac Jones's skill set. And I don't even think Bill's. 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.040 Just like, how much of a difference does that make 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:10.919 is the real question. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.520 I think a good amount, not the Super Bowl contender. 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.680 Amount, but back in the playoffs. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.280 Let's yeah, let's put it this way. The offense they 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.320 were running last year could not have been forget the 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.119 whole thing with Patricia and he'd never coached office tour. 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:29.280 Just schematically, what they were trying to do, the concepts 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:32.280 they were trying to execute could not both pre and 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.160 post snap could not have been less of a fit 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.480 for mac Jones's skills set. They took all of mac 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:42.080 Jones's weaknesses, yes, his weaknesses. They took all of mac 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:46.560 Jones's weaknesses, and they put them front and center. What 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.400 O'Brien is doing. And by the way, I don't think 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.879 this is Bill O'Brien reinventing himself. I really don't. I 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:55.639 think what he traditionally values and emphasizes to me lines 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.440 up with what Max Jones does. 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:01.320 To me, what they did the spring offensively, if you 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.639 went and turned on Alabama's tape last year. 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.720 It's so I'm getting to that, literally the exact same thing. 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.160 But it just so happens that all of the things 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:11.879 Bill O'Brien emphasizes in an offense are Max Jones' strength. 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.520 We've seen quarterbacks go from maybe like a neutral offense 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:18.359 to an offensive system. They're great. And when's the last 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:20.400 time you can think of a quarterback like a guy 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.600 that actually, you know, was the starter from week one? 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:24.160 Yeaha yaha, YadA. Yeah. 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.040 When's the last time you think of a quarterback anywhere 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.440 in the league that played in an offense that played 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.440 to his weaknesses as much as the Patriots offense played 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:33.919 to Mac jones weaknesses last year. I say that not 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:34.840 expecting an answer. 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:36.760 Yeah. So it was interesting about it, though, is that 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:38.679 they thought that they were playing to his strains like 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.360 they they I think they genuinely thought that he could 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:43.720 air it out like he was doing it. 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:45.639 He wasn't going to like that wasn't gonna happen. 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:49.320 That's not saying like I don't want I don't think 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:50.439 that they purposely went. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.840 In I okay, so yeah, let me. I don't think 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.240 they went out there saying let's make Mac Jones look terrible. 0:23:55.520 --> 0:24:00.119 I think they misunderstood fundamentally why Mac Jones was as 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.840 successful Alabama as he was. The airing it out is 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.840 a perfect example. And people, I'm the one who pushes 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:07.800 back on this when people say Mac Jones doesn't have 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.399 a big arm, he can't throw down the field. He 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.720 can in certain concepts, he's not. You said this a 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:14.920 lot last year. They're trying to turn him in to 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.359 Jameis Winston right that it's not for verts just hucking 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:23.440 down the field. It's slot seems RPOs things like that, 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.480 which they didn't do last year, which Jeff Howe had 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:30.160 the report on. I think it was yesterday that there 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:32.880 are Alabama elements I get starting to make their way 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:33.560 into the playbook. 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:37.240 I think it is the Alabama playbook. Yeah, bill O'Brien's alibi, 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:38.919 not Sarkisian's full. 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:43.280 But no, but that remember the whole thing about when 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.080 Bill O'Brien got there, When Sark took the job at 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:50.240 Texas and Bill O'Brien got there, they had Mac Jones 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:55.679 teach Bill O'Brien Sark's playbook because Nick Saban said it 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.080 might have been more than not. Nick Saban didn't want 0:24:58.080 --> 0:24:58.760 to change the offense. 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.000 But no, I think that's that's so valid. But I 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:03.520 think a lot of what we saw last year at 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.040 Alabama was a ton of Bill O'Brien. 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.800 Okay, but but there are things now. There was nothing 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.320 in the playbook last year that mac chos was running 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:12.320 at Alabama. 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.920 Some of their vertical concepts might have been out. 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.399 There was very little in the playbook last year of 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:18.720 what mak chose was running out. 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.280 Dinky RPO screens that they tried to do like twenty times. 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.040 Very little. Yeah, this year it is going to be 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.120 can I say the heavy majority? 0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:28.840 Yeah? I think so. I mean we'll see what the 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.240 run game is like. You know, these are passing camps, 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.399 so we haven't really seen I don't think we know 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.480 enough yet to glean Is this going to be like 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:41.440 you know the McDaniel SCARNECKI Gap Downhill power scheme run 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.000 game or we go? And I think there's still too 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:47.240 much minutia there once the pads come on to really decide. 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.359 But passing wise, yeah, you saw a lot of that, 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.480 and I think you know, obviously we've all talked about 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.359 it a lot as the two tight ends, and I 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.679 think a lot of that was because of availability. You know, 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.680 they just didn't Juju wasn't out there, Taekwon wasn't out there. 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.399 So who's gonna be Who's gonna catch passes? Right? You're 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:03.840 gonna have to. So they worked a lot on the 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.240 twelve personnel and the two tight ends, and a lot 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.080 of that was O'Brien stuff. 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.600 Right, So all right, you want you want a little 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.720 Hopkins UPTHINGH What do we got? H? 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:15.639 So this is someone reel or is this like? 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:15.840 No? 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.520 This is more McAfee show. So i'm not because we're 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.719 on the air, I can't listen to the to the quote, 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:23.640 but I'm reading the quote that was typed out here 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:27.959 Pacman Jones, who is friends with Hawkins and he's dropped 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.199 some nuggets before on the Pat McFee show. Today, I 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.920 don't think Hawkins leaves there. I don't think he leaves 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:36.000 without a deal. Okay, hang, you talk a little bit. 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:37.800 I'm gonna listen to full quote. You talk a little bit, 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:39.439 all right, I'll report pack. 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:42.640 Okay. So while I was doing that, I do want 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.560 to segue. We're talking a lot about the offense and 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.920 the scheme of the big picture. I think you guys 0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:51.080 got the general idea of this, as we like to 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.399 call it on on this program, the alabamafication of the 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.920 Patriots offense. I definitely think that that's in full force. 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:58.520 I want to talk a little bit about the quarterback 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.520 himself though, and Mac Joe and what we saw out there. 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.840 I think the two the two positives out so I 0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.200 saw out of Mac and as he's got the phone 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.359 to the ear right now, this is this is his 0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.159 next level. H The two things that I saw that 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.040 were positive I mentioned are already was the command at 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.200 the line of scrimmage right and in adability to make 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.879 adjustments and get teams out of get them out of 0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:24.520 bad plays and block up blitzes and makose types of 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.520 adjustments that are all necessary. And he actually mentioned after 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.120 one of the practices in his press conference that there's 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.399 a lot on the quarterback in this system, but he 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.199 feels like it's good because he has all the tools 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.679 necessary to make the checks and make the calls and 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:40.879 make the adjustments at the line. I think that's a 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.159 good thing. I think you and this goes back to 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.760 playing to max strains. You have to empower Mac Jones 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.520 at the line of scrimmage because his brain and what's 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.800 between the ears is probably his best asset. And if 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.239 you just call plays in the huddle and then just 0:27:55.359 --> 0:28:00.680 run that play like guys that do that effective are 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.840 like the Lamar Jackson's and the Josh Allens of the world. 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.040 These the physical guys, right that Okay, the play that 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:09.720 we called in the huddle didn't actually work, but I'll 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.399 just make something playground football, right. The Patriots don't have 0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.560 that type of guy, so they have to allow Mac 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.320 to get into every single play properly, like and have 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:23.040 those check with me is have those two plays called. 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:24.240 You know, they used to do this all the time 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:25.720 with Brady. They'd have a run play, they have a 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.720 pass play, and based off the front, based off of 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.159 the look the defense, he would say one or two, right, like, 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.399 whichever one once he got to the line of scrimmage. 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:34.479 Those things need to happen with Matt Jones as well. 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.199 The second thing that I think is really positive, I. 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:38.240 Just real quick on that. Yeah, And that's why Bill 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.280 O'Brien was the right guy, because Bill O'Brien's offense, this 0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:42.640 is predicated on winning before the statmore after he. 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:47.200 Got that's huge. The second thing I he was he 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:51.240 has made and continues to make some really really pretty 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.800 touch throws down the field, right, like the crossing routes 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.680 the scene phades like you talked about. You know, we 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.520 posted one on our on our Twitter to Mike KASICKI, 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:03.920 that was like one of the plays of the of 0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.800 the week. Offensively, he hit Hunter Henry on a crosser, 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.040 just layered it right over Jalen Mills and right into 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:13.760 the bread basket. Like those types of throws he can 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:18.200 make extremely well. I think there's two really really good 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.440 things about Mac. He's back on the on the tracks 0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.120 right like the train's back on the tracks. And mentally 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.200 he's picking up what Bill O'Brien is putting down, which 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:32.120 is I think seventy five percent of what they need 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:36.920 from him is to be back to the cerebral rhythm 0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.400 based passer right that we know that he can be. 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.280 I think the bigger concern, or the only concern that 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:45.800 I have with him, is not so much that something 0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:49.360 that he did do or didn't do, and these practices, 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:53.320 I just I can't get too excited or read too 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.880 much into things until that pass rush is live because 0:29:56.920 --> 0:30:01.120 he's the type of guy that in seven on seven 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.720 Mac drops dimes like he drops dimes. He does does 0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:08.520 like he drops. He had a seven on seven period 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:12.959 on Tuesday where it's you know, high point fade Devonte Parker, 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.000 it's you know seem fade to Mike is SICKI hunter, 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.760 Henry makes the kid, You know what, It's just it's 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.040 his pitch and catch for him. But what's gonna happen? 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.200 And this kind of gets to the tackle thing, But 0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:28.200 what's gonna happen when there's people at his feet, when 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.280 the pocket's collapsing, when he has a free runner coming 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:33.240 at him and he's got to stare down the barrel. 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:40.120 I still don't necessarily think that his physical arm talent, 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:42.920 mobility like, that's gonna be what it is. Like I 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:47.520 think we can say that now that there might not 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:51.720 be a huge physical jump for mac Jones where he 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.080 all of a sudden goes from what his arm talent 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.040 is now to having a real live arm like. I 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.200 don't think that that's coming for him because he's in 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:04.120 great shape. He works with Tom House like, he's doing 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:06.360 all of it right, and it just is what it is. 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:11.480 So the question that boils down to is is being 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.920 a step ahead of the defense? Now? Are these things 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.960 gonna be enough for him to improve significantly? And we're 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.800 talking about improving on his rookie year, not improving on 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.560 last year, but proving on the rookie year, and that 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.120 still is a question mark to me, is the physical 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.960 tools of it all. Because if he has time and 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.160 space in the pocket and it can step into the throw, 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.520 he can drop dives like he can make it happen. 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.960 If he's in a muddy pocket, if he's got guys 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:41.960 coming at him, if he can't step into the throw 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.280 because there's people at his feet, how is it going 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.800 to look? And you just can't tell in the spring 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:49.280 when about those types of things. 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.480 And the problem is that, you know, if you want 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.360 to jump ahead here I kind of said before, I 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.320 still think there's one big question in this offense. If 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.920 this offense is undone by something this year, it's not 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.680 gonna be the quarterback. It's not gonna coach, it's not 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.120 gonna be the wide receivers. Yeah, it's gonna be the tackles. 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:03.440 Yeah. 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:05.760 Not even like they're fine on the interior Cole Strange, 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:07.800 David Andrews, Mike go and winning group is solid. 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:08.120 Yeah. 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:10.440 I really don't know what they're gonna do with tackle. 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.520 I'm not sure they totally know yet. Yeah, And that's 0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:16.040 concerning because of exactly what you just said. 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:17.880 The best way to throw. 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.280 Mac Drones's office rhythm is to pressure him. Now they 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.440 can offset that with some concepts too, right, quick passes, 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.320 things like that, but at a certain. 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.160 Point, concerns about that, like you don't. So the comparison 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.040 that I keep going back to is remember in Miami 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.000 a couple of years ago to a they just had 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.880 a terrible offensive line and they essentially had to be 0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.480 like a five yard pass offense. Yeah, they had Jalen 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:40.720 Waddle in his rookie year catching like eight yard passes right, 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.800 because they just couldn't block it right, and so everything 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.480 became smoking mirrors with that office. Now, that style of 0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.240 its actually gave the patron Stephen some trouble, but all 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.960 of it was rpo motion, like everything was happening in 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:53.880 like a ten yard body. 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.320 But it is that what O'Brien does, So. 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:59.120 I think so uh, And that's why I like I 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.640 pushed back a little bit on some of the reporting 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.080 out there about all the checkdowns that Mac was throwing. 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.840 Like there's checkdowns and then there's like, you know, just 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.520 running the progression right, and like O'Brien, you know, would 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.080 you call like a juke rout? Did Julian Edelman over 0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:15.040 the middle of checkdown? 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.040 No? But people think it is right, right, So, and 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:22.240 that's the other part of it. Like you, they're maximizing 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.280 certain guys who I think are better Yack receivers. And 0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.680 this is alsoere Hopkins comes in as well. Again, can 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.000 they put You're right, Ma's never going to be a gunslinger, 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:35.120 but he's far enough along that they can pete put 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.280 the pieces around and and make you work. Yeah, That's 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:38.400 kind of where I'm at with it. 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:38.560 That. 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:42.800 Yeah, there there's always gonna be questions about pressure. There's 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.840 no quarterback is perfect. There was one perfect quarterback that's 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.280 ever played the game. He just retired a couple months ago. 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.800 That's it. But but I think that with him with 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.280 Brady and not to keep him. You know, I hate 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.600 doing this, but he was able to be pressure with 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.640 his release right like he was. So this is my point. 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:02.560 And if they can get Mack to that point, then 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:03.440 I'm less concerned. 0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.600 So this is my point. We used to do this 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:08.520 all the time with Brady about him being his own 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.440 best pass protector, right because he get on that back foot, 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.439 you know, get snap back foot, boomed the balls out. 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.200 Everybody members The clip from the twenty eighteen playoffs where 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.480 Joey Bosa is like er Nick Bosa's Joey Bosa's I 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.120 always get the mixed up. Joey Bosa is like Chargers, Right, 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.359 Joey Bosa is like, can you stop throwing the ball 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:25.839 so quick? I don't have time to get to you. 0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:28.719 Mac is going to need to do that this year. 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:34.400 So where he does struggle with pressure and that's harder 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:38.200 to change. Yeah, and this is where again you bring 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.279 Bill O'Brien in that whole pre snap element you just 0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:44.720 addressed into it. Can he be calmer when he knows 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.359 the blitz is coming right, right, because if you can 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.279 at least get him to dissect the blitz and throw 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.360 into it quickly. 0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:54.640 Because he just doesn't, right, because he just doesn't have 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.319 the He needs to be a step ahead, right, And 0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:00.920 it's not only it's with anticipation too. Yeah, Like he 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:02.839 needs to be he needs to be one of those 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.560 guys that like when the Crossers coming over the middle, 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.000 he hasn't cleared the linebacker yet, but he throws it 0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.319 on the other side of the linebacker for it throws 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:10.960 him into the. 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.600 Past, which we think Mac Jones can do. Like, Yeah, 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.160 everything about Mac Jones tells us. That's a step he 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.840 should be able to make there. He wasn't asked to 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.759 really do any of that last year. I know how 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:22.720 that worked. 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:24.759 And this is sort of where, you know, I do 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.120 want to talk about Bailey's appy for a second, not 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.799 not because it's a competition, but just because he is 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.560 on the football team. This is the one area that 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.880 at times I see Bailey being a little bit ahead 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:40.279 of mac On and it's more towards the sideline, I 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.880 would say, in the middle of the field. But I 0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:45.239 think this is. 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.080 Well because Bailey's appy played in the West Coast in college. 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.920 True West, and I think that this rubs off of 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:54.239 last year too, is is that there's still maybe a 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:58.239 little bit of doubt or like lack of confidence in 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.920 mac Jones at the moment that there's it's early, like 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.280 they still got to work that out of him where 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.880 he's still a little bit and see it throw it 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.640 mode and and he's gotta be in anticipation mode. And 0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.319 with Bailey, like you do see the ball into the 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:16.080 sideline especially, I would say, you know, out comebacks like 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:19.879 things like that into the boundary, that it is out 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.520 a little bit sooner, I think at times than Mac. 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.520 But I go, I do this every practice, we watch 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.359 every single one, I ask myself when Mac is in there, 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:34.320 then we see Bailey like, what is Zapy better at 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:35.080 than Mac? 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:35.279 Like? 0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:38.080 What is he? What? Literally is he better at than Mac? 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.520 I will give him that. I think that he throws 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:42.640 the ball to the sideline better than Mac. I think 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.520 he throws it with a little bit more anticipation and 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.319 a little bit more zip. Other than that, I'm not 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.200 sure that there's really anything. The physical tools are about 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.600 the same. I think Mac's actually more accurate throwing down 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:56.759 the field, like deep balls, like with air under it, 0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:00.840 you know, not drive throws, but true deep balls. And 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:07.200 Zappy I thought that he struggled at times a little 0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:10.680 bit this spring, especially that last day. Yeah, and you know, 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:12.600 I'm not saying that, you know, to be like ha ha, 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.560 I told you, like, you know, score one for Mac. 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:22.040 I just I can't see currently Zappy having the physical tools, 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.879 not necessarily the intangibles and not like yeah, maybe he's 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.160 in better standing with the head coach and like I'm 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.879 not getting into any of that crap. The main thing 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.759 is is like is he is? Could you see a 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.320 path where he's a much better football player than Mac Jones. 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:39.040 And I don't think it's close enough or even ahead enough. 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.160 I should say for Bailey Zappy for him to truly 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:45.319 push Mac Jones. And I still feel that way coming 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:45.880 off the spring. 0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.640 Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with you. But again I think 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:51.400 the things you're talking about Mac throwing with anticipation, he 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:53.719 can get there. This isn't a thing where like, oh 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.480 he needs to be more athletic and that's just never 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.640 gonna happen. This is and it's something Bill O'Brien I think. 0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:00.759 Is the right coach to get him. I just want 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:05.400 to see, one time, one time, just throw like a 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:09.040 twelve yard incut with a little bit of anticipation and 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:10.880 with a little bit of smoke on it, right, Like, 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.920 just just fit it in there one time. And I 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.560 think sometimes that that throw isn't necessarily there. Like he 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.839 can distribute the ball underneath the defense, he can get 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.160 it out. He can throw the touch deep balls, you know, 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.000 the lob throws and things like that and drop it 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.279 in the bucket. But can he fit a ball, you know, 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.600 twelve yards down the field that the sticks between two 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.520 defenders and get it there. And in order for him 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.200 to be able to do that. It's going to have 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:35.840 to come out early, and he's gonna have to be 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.720 able to anticipate it and see it before it happens, 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.480 and that's gonna be key for him. All right, Quarterbacks, 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.360 anything to say about Trace mcsorly, I got nothing? 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.480 Uh no, okay, and Rocket include Malie kuny cahme here 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:48.320 because he is a wide receiver. 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:53.480 Yeah, Okay. Running Backs, this has been oddly something that 0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:55.040 I've got. I don't know about you, Ox, but I 0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:57.400 did the mail back today for us on Patriots dot Com. 0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.880 Some questions about the running backs, certainly after James Robbins. 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:02.680 I think some of this is fantasy driven. I'm not 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:07.719 gonna lie. Yeah, Ramandra Stevenson's Ormandra Stevenson didn't see a 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.279 ton of Remondre in the spring. I don't think they 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:10.840 feel like they need to see him in the spring. 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.000 I don't think it's injury related or anything else related. 0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.080 I think it's quite the workload last year. 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.239 I'm yeah, it doesn't doesn't really need to be a 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.800 featured part of the spring, but it is interesting to 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.520 see the other guys. Whether you want to call him 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:28.120 a wide receiver, running back time Montgomery is once again 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.520 having a great spring, had a great summer last year, 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.279 great spring last year, doing it again. Whether or not 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.480 he can stay healthy question mark, whether or not it's 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:43.560 it's real. I don't necessarily have as many questions about that. 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.839 I think time Montgomery could be a useful player for 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.160 the team if he's healthy. And I like two things 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.480 about his game. One, he seems to know the right 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.319 spots and like read things out correctly. Underneath. You know, 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:58.799 they do run him on some options and some you know, 0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:02.239 different types of coverage conversions, like I wouldn't call them 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:05.800 like full like carte blanche, do whatever you want option routes. 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:07.759 But you know he'll sit when he needs to sit, 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.719 he'll run when he needs to run, like that sort 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.120 of thing. He's got good hands and he just it 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.640 seems like when the quarterbacks need to look for somebody 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.000 to dump the ball off to time Montgomery's in the 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.279 right spot and where he should be on time. And 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:21.880 there's something to be said for that. We know how 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.120 valuable that can be. And he's somebody that really does 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:28.279 blur the lines formationally. He can flex out. You can 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.360 run an empty set, have him flex out wide and 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:33.719 then bring him in and cause that sort of confusion 0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:37.040 things like that. So he's got some versatility, He's got 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:40.640 that headiness or that instincts to play this position. I 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.800 think right now, as much as I would love Pierre 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:45.680 Strong to take the job, I think right now, Time 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.160 Montgomery's the third down back. I think he's the favorite 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:48.880 for that position. 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.640 Well, what's really interesting is there's times where Time Montgomery 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:54.640 was one of two running backs on the field. Yeah, 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:56.560 and DA can get cloudy as well, and I think 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.040 that's something they want to do. We've talked a lot 0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:02.160 about Mike is SICKI right, Yeah, can they when they 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.000 put him on the field, they can kind of disguise 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.120 eleven personnel or twelve personnel and the other. 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:06.640 Team doesn't know. 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.160 There might be some of that with to Montgomery too. Yeah, 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.000 are you they in eleven or are they in twenty 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:16.440 one with him? And for that to work, though, you 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.879 need Pierre Strong and or Kevin Harris to be able 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.719 to be like a solid second running back beyond Rmandre Stevenson. 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.920 I would say both of those guys were involved during 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:32.040 the spring. And this is something I've talked about, the 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.040 idea that they didn't play last year because the coaching 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.240 staff is out on them and they're buried or whatever. 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:37.399 Not the case. 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:39.560 I think the coaching staff still really likes both of 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:41.320 these guys. I think they're both going to get a 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.799 shot to contribute this year in some way. Those four. 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.080 That's a solid running back round. 0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.000 Yeah, I'm not worrying about running back room at all. 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:49.759 I'd like to see him add and this is really 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:53.160 niche like, add one more guy that you can stash 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:56.880 on the practice squad and if somebody gets hurt, you 0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.279 can call him up and like he's been here, you're 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:00.799 not getting him off the street. Maybe that's JJ Taylor. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:03.040 Right, but maybe somebody that's more of like in the 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.360 early down mold than JJ Taylor, I guess. 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:06.000 Yeah. 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.080 Yeah, So you want to name, You're gonna roll your eyes. 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.800 You know, Reggie Corbyn is the starting do you know 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:13.279 who that is? 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.080 And yes, what Reggie? What do you mean? 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.239 Reggie Corbin starting running back for the Michigan Panthers in 0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:20.759 the USFL liked what I've seen from him and he's 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:23.920 a good, well like solid, well rounded stash. 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:26.040 So you do feel like I guess the I think 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.840 the biggest question with the running backs and with Pierre Strong. 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:30.680 It is my quick take on on the two. 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.360 Do you hate Reggie Corbin's I don't know. 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.960 Just like I don't hear your World League or whatever, 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.960 I don't have anything for it. Second year running back 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:42.480 it takes one Pierre Strong. I don't know if Pierre 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:47.160 Strong is yet to the point consistently enough that he's 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.280 like a volume guy. I think he's a really fast, 0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:53.160 explosive player with the ball in his hands. That's worth 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.239 giving him those three to five touches the game just 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.560 to see if he breaks one, right, But I don't 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:03.000 know if he's a true spell back yet. For Remandre, 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:08.000 I was pretty impressed with Kevin Harris. I his game 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:10.480 is not supposed to be in shorts and a T shirt, right, 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.360 Like he's a bulldozing running back, like you know, early 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:17.319 down to a tee like Garret Blunt style back. He 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:19.799 looked pretty spry out there. I think we never got 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.279 to talk to him, but I wonder if he lost 0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:23.560 some weight or something like. He looked pretty explosive and 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:26.320 he wasn't fighting the ball or anything like that catching 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.240 it either. Like I thought he looked a lot better 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.839 as a receiver than I expected. It and stood out 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.359 in these practices a little bit more than I would 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.080 expect that two and twenty pound running back to stand 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:40.040 down in the spring. So we'll see with both of them. 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.560 I'm still I'm still clamoring to see Pierre Strong in 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:45.920 the open field with the football, like I still want 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.719 to see that. I just don't know if that's if 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.880 it's like two or three times a game or is 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.200 it ten times a game? Right, and they need somebody 0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.560 that's ten times a game they do that might be 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.800 more Kevin Harris at this point. If they really want, 0:43:59.800 --> 0:44:03.279 like Damien Harris replacement of a guy that Ormandre is 0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.239 going to carry it twenty to twenty five times, and 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.680 you need somebody else to carry it ten to fifteen times, 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:09.680 that might be Kevin Harris. 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.080 Yeah, I think Pierre Strong is more of your like 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:14.680 big hitter back and your if time Montgomery is going 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:16.320 to have more of a wide receiver role of the 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.239 guy that's stepping in there. I wouldn't hate seeing them 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.920 add another big body back too. If if they how 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.319 about Furnette, I thought he were tired. No, that was 0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.879 Jioe Bernard, Oh, another former Buck. I was gonna say, 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:30.759 I was going to give you another buck running. Wait, 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.520 what Fornette's not a buck? Oh Tampa day buck? Yeah, 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:38.319 I'm thinking of a buck. I what neither one? 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:43.200 You know? I love Zeke, I want Zeke. I don't 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:48.279 mind Zeke. I just wonder Zeke got a little bit 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:53.160 what's the word annoyed by Tony Pollard in Dallas. 0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:55.399 Yeah, it's more one of those things. 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.640 Is he gonna be? Is he gonna be a sidecar? 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.680 My My counter would be as he gonna sit out 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:01.160 the season? 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.839 Yeah? I love Zeke. I've always loved zee Ya. He's 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.080 not the same player that he was early on in 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.920 his career, but as a number two back, I mean you, 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.520 he's probably be the best number two back in the league. 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:15.960 It's just whether or not Zeke would be willing to 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:16.799 be a number. 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:23.240 Two I think. I also think people underestimate his football maturity. 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.960 Football like he's he's a great blocker. Yeah, that's the thing, 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.320 like a guy like that in such a young running 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.440 back room. Yeah, I think would be incredibly Right now, 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.040 I'm not going out paying him a ton of money. 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.560 I'm not like paying him over Hopkins. But yeah, if 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.640 you get to late July and he's still unsigned. I 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.000 call him be like, hey, but so you know, if 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.279 you want to play this year, we'll we'll take you 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.839 that kind of thing, all right, But yeah, I just 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.280 to get back to it. I Yeah, I think Strong 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:52.600 is more of the guy if they want to get 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:57.000 creative with Montgomery where he's gonna go. But and I 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:58.200 want to get into that a little more when we 0:45:58.280 --> 0:45:59.680 do the tight ends too, because I think there's something 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:02.640 that's in there. But yeah, no, it's I mean they 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.520 have a solid group. It's going to be a rotation. 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:04.759 Really. 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:06.560 I think Stevens is gonna be the number one, but 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.400 I think all four guys will contribute to some extent 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:09.759 this year. 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.160 Yeah, all right, before we get to the next position 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:13.680 to get to wide receiver, this is going to be 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:17.279 a hefty one. Let's take these calls and these guys 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.120 have been waiting on hole for a long time. Sean 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:25.440 and Vancouver, thanks for hanging on. What's up? Sean? Seans up? 0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.920 Going on? Sorry? Chuni, Yeah, we did give him a call, 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.000 give us a callback. That's my fall. You guys have 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.640 been waiting for a long time. Justin you there, what's up? Justin? 0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.719 Hey guys, Hey just wanted to kind of continue with 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.120 the conversation you guys are having. So when it comes 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.799 to Zeke, I definitely agree that I think he has 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.120 a lot to offer as like the second string running back. 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:51.359 How much do you think that kind of like his 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.560 legal issues in the past and like, like you said, 0:46:54.719 --> 0:47:00.399 his personal issues like as as a character like would 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:04.160 affect kind of his perceived market value. Not saying he's 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:07.120 been terrible or anything, but just like his locker room aspect, 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:07.360 you know. 0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:09.759 Yeah, yeah, no, that that's sort of where I'm at, 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.200 justin his own things for the call, I'm not I 0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:14.520 don't really delve too much into the off field stuff 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:16.439 like that's not I don't. I don't know enough about 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.120 the situations and things like that to really speak on that. 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.879 But in terms of like the football side of things, 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.680 in the locker room side of things, my concern is 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.239 not that Zeke is like you know, what's the old saying, 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.480 like you know, malcoontent or turn in the punch bowl 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.440 or anything like that. But I would just to be 0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:35.040 concerned that he's not going to be the guy, like 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:36.799 he's not going to be the featured back. Yeah, I mean, 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.880 you don't gonna behind clearly behind Remondra Stevens. 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:41.680 You'd obviously have to make sure he buys in. I'm 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.279 not just saying sign him out right, but again, it's 0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:46.000 that kind of thing where doesn't feel like he has 0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:49.560 a lot of options. Yeah, Dalvin Cook's gonna sign before him, 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.320 right there's I know there's another running back on forgetting 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:53.680 that's probably gonna sign before him. 0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.600 Well, right now, it's really the top ones are Zeke, 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.040 Dalvin Cook, and Fournette. 0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:01.880 Fournette probably will sign before him. Does he want to 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:03.759 sit out the year? That's kind of what it comes 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:05.959 down to to me is if it's be the second 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.640 running back in New England or not play football right, 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.239 then maybe he becomes a little more amenable to it. Hey, 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:14.880 come here, be the second back. We'll give you some 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.040 opportunity to showcase. But you can do and you hit 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.640 the market next year kind of you know, with your 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:21.000 with your stock rates. Because he did not have a 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:21.399 good year. 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:23.120 Last that would be I mean not that not that 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.360 either one of them is necessarily still in their primes, 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.840 but the Patriots acquiring to Zeke Elliott and DeAndre Hopkins 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.280 in like June and July would would. 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:33.280 Be they'd be a wagon in like twenty seventeen. 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.080 Yeah, there you go. All right, let's talk wide receivers, 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.400 A big position group, a lot of people to delve 0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:43.480 into here. We will talk about Malie Cunningham in a second, 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:45.600 but I want to start with DeVonta Parker. 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:47.760 Sorry, Zeke's only twenty seven. 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:49.719 Yeah, it's just running backs, dude, Like they. 0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:51.680 Just that's insane. I thought he was like twenty nine. Nins, No, 0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:52.480 that's insane. 0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:53.840 He has so many carries. 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.880 I know he does, but I didn't just forget the carries, 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:58.880 just like I remember watching him in college. 0:48:59.080 --> 0:48:59.879 A ton of cares. 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:02.040 He feels like it was forever ago, I know, but. 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:03.880 He had a ton of carries at Ohio State. He 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.000 had a ton of carries early on in Dallas. Yeah, 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:11.080 he's been he's been written worn down. How he came 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:11.880 to twenty sixteen? 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:13.280 How old was he when he came in the league, 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:16.520 Like he's like twenty Yeah, okay, he was. He was 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.239 a stud Yeah, I know he was. I mean what 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.239 he did to that Alabama defense in the playoff game 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:20.920 is legendary. 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.720 All right, wide receivers, I want to start with Devonte Parker. 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:27.840 I never feel bad for professional football players. Making millions 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:30.319 of dollars. But I feel for Devonte Parker a little 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:34.759 bit with this DeAndre Hopkins thing because I still think 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:38.120 DeVonta Parker is a solid NFL receiver and I still 0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:44.000 think that for what it's worth man to man on 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.920 the outside press coverage, like he's the best receiver they 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.640 have at just defeating press at the line and going 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:53.640 up and getting a pass down the sideline. Like I 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.719 really feel like he's he's their best outside receiver. I 0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:58.759 don't think that's a hot take to say, and I 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:02.120 think he's still an NFL caliber ex receiver. He just 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.320 for a team that needs somebody to move the needle, 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:09.600 it's obviously Hopkins is worth investing in and trying to 0:50:09.600 --> 0:50:12.120 move that needle. He was the one guy. And I 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:16.360 totally understand when he was asked about DeAndre Hopkins, Like 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.399 wasn't really super thrilled to talk about DeAndre Hopkins, right, 0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:22.640 And I totally get it. I think DeAndre uh Devonte Parker, 0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.200 excuse me, is a really solid NFL player. It just 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:28.160 comes back to health. You know, he's staying on the 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:32.279 field and is he solid? Is solid? Good enough? 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:32.480 Right? 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:34.920 Like he's solid, But that's not really needle moving or 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.680 difference making. But like I said, when he sees press 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.000 coverage and he's got to go up and catch a fade, like, 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.239 he's the best they got right now on the roster 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.400 if we're not counting DeAndre Hopkins, who's not on the 0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:47.040 roster yet. 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:49.880 Yeah, no, he absolutely is their wide receiver corps as 0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:52.000 a whole. Like the top of the depth chart, right, 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:55.120 you're gonna have Devanta Parker is your ex. Yeah, You're 0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:57.440 gonna have Jujus muth Schuster in the slot yep. And 0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:00.839 you're gonna have born at Thornton competing for raps however 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:02.200 you want to qualify. 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:02.439 That at the ze. 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.399 Yeah, and then maybe Mike Kisiki factors in there too, 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:09.680 and maybe Time Montgomery factors in the slot. Yeah, that's fine, 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:13.359 it's good. But we kind of saw these last couple 0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:16.640 of weeks how fast that depth falls off because Taekwon. 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:19.759 We know there's durability questions with him. Parker, there's durability 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.640 questions with him. Juju's actually been on the field pretty 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:24.759 consistently throughout his career, but you worry about a guy 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:26.000 dealing with a knee injury like that. 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:27.440 Yeah, So. 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:34.120 I like, as crazy as this sounds, look upgrading over 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:40.520 upgrading Hopkins to Parker definitely makes a difference. But outside 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:44.000 of that, for me, it's like, who's the next guy. 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:47.120 When it's all role in the first couple of weeks 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:49.920 and then Dorton gets hurt or Parker gets hurt, who 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:52.600 are you adding into that wide receiver rotation so things 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:54.960 don't fall off? That to me is the big competition. 0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.839 Is it time Montgomery playing significantly a wide receiver? Because 0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:00.640 if so, then you gotta get something from Kevin Harris 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:03.239 or Pierre Strong. Isn't Mike a sickie? Well? That might 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:04.839 change your whole offense if you're trying to do these 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.520 twelve personnel things and then you get down to are 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.239 we finally gonna do the trade Nixon thing? Ed Lee 0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:14.200 popped a little bit, But you know, Douglas to Mario, Well, 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.480 that's it. I don't think it's to Mario Douglas because 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:19.080 he's a gadget player. He's not gonna step into a 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.080 role that one of these other guys are filling. He's 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.560 having his own role. Maybe it's Kayshawn Butte that's probably 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:24.920 who it should have been. That's why I thought it 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.200 was coming in, but he hasn't been on the field. 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:30.400 So look last year, at least early in the season, 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.480 the guy I'm describing was L J. Humphrey. He wasn't 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:35.160 signed at this point last year, he was still a 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.600 free agent. So there's still a way to go. There's 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:39.799 still a ways to go with that. But yes, they 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:44.560 could upgrade Parker to Hopkins. Absolutely. Outside of that, they're 0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:46.560 doing okay at the top of the depth chart. It's 0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:50.880 more just injuries are really this group could really get 0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:54.520 derailed by injuries if nobody else steps up as even 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:56.880 just like a potential part time contributor. 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:59.680 Yeah, so I think that that's a fair point. I 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:03.440 also think that another fair point is from what we 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:10.920 saw without Taekwon Thornton, this there's just no deep threat whatsoever. 0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:13.520 Like there's just no vertical element to this offense. The 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:18.319 vertical element without him is DeVante Parker winning a fifty 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:20.920 to fifty ball down the sideline or the tight end, 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.359 stretching the seams right like those. That's like how they 0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:27.040 get vertical. And I understand that Bill O'Brien's offense has 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:32.240 never been chuck it up outside the numbers like vertical, 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:35.440 you know, type of offense like this isn't that's not 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:38.960 what it's going to be, even if they add DeAndre Hopkins. 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:42.200 It's it's just not what they do. But I really 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:45.840 like think there's a lot on the line with Taekwon 0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:49.680 and it's not just I think people get sometimes a 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:54.040 little bit too bogged down in production and like stats. 0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:57.160 It's not about the stats. It's just like about having 0:53:57.160 --> 0:53:59.880 somebody that can stretch the field and having to respect 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:03.279 that ability to stretch the field. These last you know, 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:05.400 he was out there for that first practice. I was 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:09.239 all jazzed up about it. The four practices that we 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:12.200 saw after that, without him, you could feel it, like 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:15.239 you could feel that the offense was still it was 0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:18.879 back to operating in like a twenty yard box from 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:21.480 the line of scrimmage. And if there's no vertical stretch 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:24.160 the offense, it's a problem. I really think that they 0:54:24.200 --> 0:54:27.360 need Taekwon Thornton out there simply because like they don't 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:31.240 have another guy like that. You know, it's they don't 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:34.319 have another burner in the group. It's just it's him. 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.640 It's it. You know, that's just not what these other 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.920 guys do. It's not what Hopkins is either. So it's 0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:41.759 gonna be interesting to see if he can stay healthy, 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:43.640 if he can stay on the field. I'm not as 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.680 worried about the depth because I find it interesting. And 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:49.360 we have a question here. I'm assuming a lot of 0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:54.360 people are asking this, But how did if they do 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:57.920 sign Hopkins? Yeah, who's the odd man out? Is like 0:54:57.920 --> 0:55:01.960 the hot question, right, and a lot of questions, you know, 0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:04.759 Thomas asks like why not keep both? And I think 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.120 the problem that I keep on coming back to is 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.360 it might be in the best interest of the depth 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.920 of the football team to keep both, But can you 0:55:13.000 --> 0:55:14.680 keep both of them happy? Right? 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.160 Parker is in a contract year, he's a veteran, he's 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:19.439 an established player. He's gonna want to play. Yeah, he's 0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:21.359 not gonna want to be here. Also, you know they're 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:23.719 gonna want to open money. Back up, it's six point 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:25.600 two million if they move on from Parker with no 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:30.120 dead cap. Now, let's let's just clarify this. We're talking 0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:34.040 because people have said, like, you know, sign Hopkins today, 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:34.880 cut Parker tomorrow. 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:37.120 No, no, no, let a playoff. 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:39.839 You keep them both until you have to choose, which 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:42.319 is roster cuts because guys get hurt. You never know 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:42.800 what happens. 0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.000 And I also think that Devonte Parker not that he 0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:49.040 has like this immense trade value, but he's an affordable 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:53.440 starting I wonder if that he's one of those trades 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:56.759 at the end of training camp, that is, for a 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.879 position the Patriots need to a wide receiver needed team, 0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:01.520 like maybe they get a tackle back, you know. 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.279 Or at the very least, could they get back what 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:06.359 they gave up for him. I don't think that's unrealistic. 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.120 I would just I would more be inclined to trade 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:11.480 him for a player. Yeah, but especially that to me. 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.239 But yes, but we did this last year. Teams don't 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:17.600 trade tackles. Teams don't trade there maybe not enough tackles, 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:20.520 like you know, maybe somebody I hope nobody gets hurt, 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:22.959 but like maybe they feel like they need another depth 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:23.680 body someplace. 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:25.520 Yeah, yeah, it could be that. Maybe you know, if 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.400 Florence guys hold out continues, maybe it's a defensive linement 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:30.840 something like that. Yeah, you don't trade them until you 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:34.040 have to. But I do think it is uh Parker, 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:35.719 people people on Twitter want to know if we can 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:37.479 go find Hopkins and get them on the show. 0:56:37.520 --> 0:56:38.080 Absolutely not. 0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:39.520 Oh yeah, because you had your dream. 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:41.680 Absolutely, you leave, you you leave. 0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:44.399 We'll sit him down there, I'll talk to him. 0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:46.959 I had my dream and I also value my job, 0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:50.440 so I am not going to be doing that anyways. 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:52.560 Let's talk. I want to talk about Kendrick Bourne for 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:55.799 a second. What were your just general impressions of Kendrick Boyn. 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:58.240 I know a lot was made about the press conference 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:01.239 and how he basically just railroad at the staff last year. 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:03.400 I sort of snickered at it too. I got it 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:07.000 was kind of funny, but regardless, I I don't really 0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.239 care like that's that's for other shows, Like I don't 0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:12.680 really care about all the drama or whatever. The question 0:57:12.760 --> 0:57:16.000 that I have with Kendrick Bourne, Uh well, let. 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:17.280 Me say one thing on that and what he said 0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:22.360 about Hopkins and just that whole thing. Yeah, his mentality 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:25.960 of I think he's really ride or die with his teammates. 0:57:26.160 --> 0:57:30.360 Like his teammates, right, A guy like that always brings 0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:32.280 the positive energy, Like even last year when it was 0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:36.320 clearly going rough for him, he was always smiling. All that. 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:37.840 That guy can play for me any day. I'm gonna 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:39.200 find a spot for that guy on my team. 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.040 So there's that school thought. Do you think that's how 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:46.240 they think, because I don't know. I don't so him 0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:48.800 coming out and saying what he did about the coaching staff, 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:52.600 and I think, what what the problem is with Kendrick 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:55.040 Bourne that they probably have with him? And this is 0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:56.920 not source or anything like that. I'm just saying what 0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:02.960 reading the tea leaves he he doesn't think that he 0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:07.160 needs to like bow down to two superiors, right like 0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:09.959 he doesn't feel I don't think that there's I don't 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:12.000 know that it's that. I I don't think that he 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:13.920 gives a crap about what anybody. 0:58:14.320 --> 0:58:17.760 I just think he's an emotional guy. He's a passionate guy, 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:21.320 and I don't think they love that emotion boiling over sometimes. 0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:24.200 I don't think it's about superiors or it is so importunate. 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:28.080 They like guys, in my mind, that fall in line, right, 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.240 like you take your marching orders and you fall. 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:31.800 I don't even think it's that. I think they like 0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:33.720 guys that put their head that like not too high, 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:34.240 not too low. 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:34.560 Thing right. 0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.160 If there's Kendrick Horn gets little high, gets a little low. 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:40.720 He's just an emotional guy. I don't I don't think 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:44.960 it's in any negative like, I don't think he means poorly. 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:47.440 I don't think he's trying necessarily be disrupted. I just 0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:50.720 think he's an emotional guy. That's who he is. There's 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:51.680 benefits in that too. 0:58:51.960 --> 0:58:54.200 Yeah, but he plays. 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.280 I just think they want the guy that puts his 0:58:56.280 --> 0:59:00.400 head down and not him. Right, But what did you 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:02.000 give a couple of those guys, what do you think 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.160 he looked like? I thought he looked good. I thought 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:04.680 he looked good. 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:06.960 Looks strong. He does look a little thicker. 0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:11.120 He looks strong. I thought, you know, his movements were 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:15.000 really crisp. I think, and I say this all the time, 0:59:15.120 --> 0:59:18.760 I think people really underrate I think people underrate him 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:21.760 as a whole. But I think, really people really underrate 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:23.280 his ability after the catch. 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:27.160 Yeah. No, I think this offense is really really fits him. 0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:30.800 Very Yeah, I don't. You don't necessarily get to see 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.200 a ton of after the catch stuff in these kind 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:35.880 of practices, non contact, but watching him like cut in 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.520 and out of routes and stuff like that, he runs 0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:39.160 away from guys. 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:39.680 He can run. 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:43.000 He's not like the fastest player, yet he's constantly running 0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:46.160 away from defenders because he makes it work with subtlety 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:50.080 and things like that. I really like he's gonna be 0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:50.960 back in a role this year. 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:51.480 He's gonna won. 0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:53.320 He's gonna be back on the field this year too. 0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:55.520 He's gonna be back in a role that fits him. Evan, 0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:57.760 you know this, My opinion on Kendrick Bourne hasn't changed 0:59:57.920 --> 1:00:00.240 by all the Kendrick Bourne stock Now. I I think 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.800 his potential is immense. I think he can be a 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:07.320 really really solid number two receiver, really solid complimentary guy. Wait, 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:09.680 whoever the number one is, whether it's it's Parker, whether 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.800 it's Hopkins, is probably true if it's Hopkins. But and 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:15.080 we we've had this conversation other times on the show, right, 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:19.600 the Tuesday Morning guy, the guy that even if somebody 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:23.000 else is hot, like last year, right, all the teams 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:26.160 were focused on Jakobe Myers and then DeVante Parker got hot, 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:28.440 so they were like, we're gonna shade coverage over DeVante 1:00:28.440 --> 1:00:32.600 Parker and Myers couldn't really like nothing really changed, Right, 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:38.080 if DeAndre Hopkins is here, or if DeVante Parker is 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:41.880 a really good season, teams aren't gonna stop shading coverage 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:45.600 off of them even if somebody else hit heats up, Right, Yeah, Kendrick, 1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:46.680 you sound unsure, but. 1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:48.880 I well, I think we're forgetting I just think we're 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:51.280 forgetting Juju because he wasn't out there. That's fair. 1:00:51.360 --> 1:00:54.040 But I'm saying this isn't even about Juju. It's about 1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:56.760 Kendrick Bourne should be in a spot where he is 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.760 going to see one on one coverage more often than not. 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:01.400 Kendrick Born as a guy who is going to make 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:05.000 teams pay and one a significant amount of And that's. 1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:07.160 Why I just my message to Kenrick Bourne has nothing 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:11.960 to do. I don't actually care as about him speaking 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:14.720 out in the media. I don't. I don't care. It's 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:19.000 great for us and I but on a I don't care. 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:22.000 I care because I don't want them to use that 1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:23.840 as a reason to kick him off this team. 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:27.480 No, no, yeah, right, so he can give them something 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:27.960 fall in. 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:30.720 Line just for the sake so that you can be 1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:33.840 here because you're gonna help the football team win games, 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.160 right right, Like That's where I'm coming at it. So 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:38.360 and it's not like you don't have to shut your mouth, 1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:40.880 you don't have to be a mood like you don't 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.880 have to you can talk, but like coming out and 1:01:43.920 --> 1:01:47.200 saying the things that he said, doesn't help him with 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:47.880 the coaches. 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:50.160 It just doesn't help me, right, And and yeah, you 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:52.400 hope that that there's some middle ground there. I would say, 1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:54.440 here's kind of how I feel about Kendrick Borne. I 1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:56.000 just thought of this is like the perfect greatest sum 1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:57.280 up how I feel about Hendrick Borne. 1:01:57.360 --> 1:01:57.520 Yeah. 1:01:57.640 --> 1:01:59.640 You know, sometimes we like a player and then we 1:01:59.640 --> 1:02:01.760 hear like, yeah, he's good, but you can go get 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:03.880 that guy elsewhere, Like yeah, I'm trying to think of 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:07.760 an example of a player like that, like like on 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:08.560 on another team. 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:10.440 Right, yeah, no, I know, like. 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:13.120 I just had it and I lost it. 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:14.040 That's fine, I know. 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:15.600 But you know what I'm talking right right, Oh yeah, No, 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:17.080 he's a good player, but like you can go get 1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:18.600 that same guy in frame, so you can find in 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:23.280 the draft. I think Kendrick Bourne is like one step above. Yeah, 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:25.800 you can go find that guy. I'm not sure that 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.360 you're easily replacing Kendrick Bourne. That's not to say that 1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:33.840 he's an elite player or anything like that, but there's 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:36.280 not sometimes say oh, yeah, there's that guy on thirty 1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:38.120 two teams, right, that guy. Yeah he's a good player, 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:40.000 but every team has a version of that guy. I 1:02:40.000 --> 1:02:41.880 don't know that there's thirty two versions of Kendrick Borne 1:02:41.880 --> 1:02:42.240 in the league. 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:45.640 I don't think there are, so that that's that's a 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:47.000 good way of putting it. 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:51.120 Like Jimmy Garoppolo, Yeah, you can go find Jimmy Garoppolo. Right, 1:02:51.360 --> 1:02:51.720 you're not. 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:53.880 Gonna Patriots might have found Jimmy garoppol. 1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:55.800 They have a lot of teams, might have the Viking, 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:59.160 or there's there's this really good TikTok about like it's 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:01.680 like the NFL is just okay, I'm not really either 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:02.880 of people send this to me all at the time. 1:03:03.480 --> 1:03:06.480 It's like the narrator is like the NFL is a 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:09.040 bunch of Kirk Cousins, and then it starts scrolling through 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.640 pictures of quarterbacks. It's like Kirk Cousins and like old 1:03:11.720 --> 1:03:14.520 Kirk Cousins, and it's Matt Ryan, young Kirk Cousins, and 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:18.720 it's Mac Jones and there's like this Kirk Cousins, this guy. Right, Yeah, 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:21.560 I think Jimmy Garoppolo was broken Kirk Cousins in that video, right. 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:24.240 You you couldn't do that with Kendrick Borne. You couldn't. 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:26.960 He there's enough uniqueness in his game that you can 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:27.760 take advantage of that. 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:31.240 Okay, So that we covered kind of the veteran guys 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:33.040 on the team and one that isn't that we continue 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.200 to talk about because of obvious reasons. But I think 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:41.439 the next question is, so they're gonna have the four 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:44.280 veteran guys, whether it's Hopkins replacing one of the veteran 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:47.320 guys that already exists, or just the four guys that 1:03:47.360 --> 1:03:49.960 they currently have in house. They're gonna have four veteran guys, 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:52.560 and I'm including Taekwon in the veteran category. 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:55.120 Yeah, even though he's the second year guy NFL experience 1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:55.919 like significant NFL. 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:59.680 Yeah. The fifth receiver spot is I think gonna be 1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:02.680 up for grabs regardless of Hopkins comes here or not. Yes, 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:08.880 So the question that boils down is is it tomorrow? Douglas. 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:11.000 I don't think we can really say anything about Kishon 1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:15.200 Booty because he literally wasn't out there, Uh Malie Cuttingham, 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:19.440 Trey Nixon or Emily who I thought kind of had 1:04:19.480 --> 1:04:22.120 a moment or two out there. Not gonna not like 1:04:22.200 --> 1:04:24.320 down the field, but a little jitterbug. 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:27.320 I'm not saying like put ed Lee on the team 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:30.520 right away, but put him on the practice squad. Maybe 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:31.600 we revisit next year. 1:04:31.680 --> 1:04:34.280 Yeah, I agree, he's kind of like the new Trade Nixon. 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:37.920 Yeah, that's he's gonna take Trey Nixon the. 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:44.800 Out of that group, who do you think emerges as 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:48.840 the most likely fifth receiver? You have to Mario Douglas. 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:53.200 You have Malik Cuttingham, you have Booty, you have ed 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:56.320 Lee so and like Trey Nixon still exists. 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:56.800 Yeah, and Trade Nixon. 1:04:56.920 --> 1:04:57.480 So, I. 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:01.400 It's not Douglas because he's a gadget player. He's gonna 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:03.479 be on the team, but he's gonna be his own 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:06.280 sort of thing. He doesn't fit into this equation. Okay, 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:08.880 if Kaishawn Booty is healthy, he's far and away the 1:05:08.880 --> 1:05:11.520 best receiver you just named. Yeah, but that's if he 1:05:11.640 --> 1:05:15.600 is healthy. That's the get's a capital, right. I think 1:05:15.640 --> 1:05:18.440 they'll probably like train. I don't know if they can 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:20.640 keep Trey Nixon on the practice squad this year, like 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:23.000 they can, but how it will work with all the 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:25.320 other numbers, because I think he has enough accrude seasons 1:05:25.360 --> 1:05:28.280 now that he's he's limited to like there's they can 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:30.760 only keep three or four guys with the amount of experience. 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:33.480 I think they would default to Trey Nixon as the 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:36.800 experienced player. But I can see making a run at it. 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:41.200 I really can't, especially if things work where Trey Nixon 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:43.520 is kept off the practice squad just by numbers and that. 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:46.400 So it's like you have two players that you can 1:05:46.440 --> 1:05:48.400 just keep period like it doesn't matter. They could be 1:05:48.400 --> 1:05:50.640 fifteen year NFL veterans, they could play a thousand games. 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:53.520 Then there's two more guys that I think it's like 1:05:53.640 --> 1:05:56.280 six years, and then I think there's one more guy 1:05:56.320 --> 1:05:58.720 that's like four years. Ye, so, but they change it 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.600 every year. That's was like two years ago. The point being, 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:05.280 there's a way I'm not saying Trey Nixon doesn't fit 1:06:05.320 --> 1:06:07.560 on the prast squad because he's not good enough. They're 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:11.640 gonna want to keep, you know, one of the veteran linemen, 1:06:12.320 --> 1:06:13.880 like a James Farence, right, he takes up one of 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:15.560 those spots if they want to do one of these 1:06:15.600 --> 1:06:17.720 weird things again where they're not gonna have a backup 1:06:17.800 --> 1:06:19.560 quarterback on the roster, They're not gonna have a kicker 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:21.920 on the roster that takes up a spot, things like that. 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:24.680 So I think I think Trace McSorley will be here 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:25.480 on the practice squad. 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:28.880 I'd like to find them, to find somebody better is 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:30.240 I don't think Garrett Gilbert. 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:32.600 I think Trace mcsorry will be on the practice squad. 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:35.320 I think that they have seen some value in Trace 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:38.200 McSorley behind the scenes, like a Matt Brian Hoyer. 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:41.680 Yeah, he's like twenty six and Garret Gilbert is a 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:44.200 free agent. Anyway, he takes up one of those spots. 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:47.000 So back to the point in him Kayshawn Booty is healthy. 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:51.000 I think it's Kashawn Booty, if not probably Trey Nixon. 1:06:51.240 --> 1:06:53.760 But ed Lee certainly makes a run at it. And 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:57.160 if it gets down to no love for Pop Douglas, 1:06:57.560 --> 1:06:59.680 I think he's so. I think he's gonna play more 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:00.600 than both of them. 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.480 But but he's still he's still got a factor into 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:04.560 a position group. 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:06.919 So I had him. No, he's going to be white. 1:07:07.040 --> 1:07:09.640 So this this guy's going on the practice squad, this 1:07:09.640 --> 1:07:11.280 guy we're talking about, I don't think this guy makes 1:07:11.280 --> 1:07:14.360 the roster. Got it to Mario Douglas makes the roster? Okay, 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:15.240 So that's where we met. 1:07:15.240 --> 1:07:17.320 Where we're to. Mario Douglas is your guy that makes 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:18.920 it to Mario Douglas is the guy that makes it. 1:07:19.000 --> 1:07:21.840 No, but the fifth receiver Tomorow Douglas makes the roster 1:07:21.920 --> 1:07:25.600 as Marcus Jones backup on offense. Okay, the fifth receiver 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:28.600 is going to be somebody that is on the practice 1:07:28.600 --> 1:07:32.000 squad that gets elevated. So in that right there, I 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:35.560 think gonna have four active receivers plus Douglas to start 1:07:35.600 --> 1:07:38.600 the season. Because so you're saying, if somebody goes down, 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:42.040 who's the fourth receiver, it's Mike at Seck. Youre time Montomery, okay, right, 1:07:42.320 --> 1:07:44.320 and that this is the guy that when the depth 1:07:44.320 --> 1:07:47.600 gets tested. Remember Dante Montcreef twenty twenty season. Yeah, I'm 1:07:47.600 --> 1:07:49.640 talking about Dante Moncrief here, Okay, that's the guy I'm 1:07:49.680 --> 1:07:52.080 talking about. And it's Trey Nickson er ed Lely. 1:07:52.680 --> 1:07:53.640 Yeah, I'm with you on that. 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:56.040 And Malie Cunningham will hang around on the practice squad 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:58.240 as a project player, but I don't think he sees 1:07:58.520 --> 1:07:59.440 NFL snaps this year. 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:02.080 The best thing that Malie cunning him did the entire 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:06.440 spring was run quarterback in nine and seven, like. 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:09.479 He made one nice catch. I made one nice catch, 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:11.280 no respect is one nice catch. 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:13.960 He made one nice catch. I'm not taking it seriously. 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:15.040 I've never taken it serious. 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:16.160 But he did make one nice catch. 1:08:16.160 --> 1:08:18.519 Take it seriously, and people that are putting him on 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:23.360 like their roster projections are are I he made one 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:23.840 nice catch. 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:26.400 How he respects his one nice catch. I don't disagree 1:08:26.439 --> 1:08:28.080 with anything you said, but respect us one nice. 1:08:28.080 --> 1:08:30.280 I respect his one nice catch for you. But what 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:34.040 I really respected was watching nine on seven with him 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:37.320 playing quarterback and uh them running Reid option with him 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:41.520 at quarterback and Marty Mapu just like doing his thing linebacker. 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:43.600 That that moved the needle for me. 1:08:43.960 --> 1:08:46.080 We know that his real value this year is a 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:48.479 scout team quarterback. What happens down the road happens down 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:49.000 the road. 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:52.280 All right, tight ends, I know, Gasicki's call him a 1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:54.160 tight end, call him a wide receiver. Some people get 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:55.720 hot and bothered when you call him the tight end 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:57.080 because he's a big receiver. 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:59.200 We literally just got in the YouTube comments in all 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:00.880 caps Johnny and then Lumpkin. 1:09:02.439 --> 1:09:07.639 So Hunter Henry h looks like Hunter Henry looks fine. 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:10.400 I'm not gonna like spend too much time on guys 1:09:10.439 --> 1:09:16.880 like that. I was really really impressed, excited, optimistic about 1:09:16.880 --> 1:09:20.360 Mike Kasicki. I think that he brings a different level 1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:24.719 of two things. One explosiveness at that spot for sure. 1:09:24.960 --> 1:09:27.519 Like I think that he runs way way better than 1:09:27.600 --> 1:09:29.799 Hunter Henry does at this stage, you know, up the seam, 1:09:29.840 --> 1:09:33.639 across the field, things like that, And I think it's 1:09:33.680 --> 1:09:38.000 a it's it's nice to have a guy like Kasicki 1:09:38.080 --> 1:09:43.439 who's like very clearly a natural receiver, a natural route runner, 1:09:44.000 --> 1:09:47.479 catches the ball well, doesn't fight, it doesn't look clunky, 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:50.759 doesn't look out of place like running routes and catching 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:54.719 the football down the field. Just a very very big 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:58.240 difference from John hu Smith. Like Johnny Smith just always 1:09:58.280 --> 1:10:04.599 looked stiff, robot, clunky, struggling to catch the football at times. 1:10:04.880 --> 1:10:07.360 Mi Kasiki looks like he's been catching a football since 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:10.360 since he was six years old, right, and and running 1:10:10.400 --> 1:10:11.280 routes since he was eight. 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:11.800 Uh. 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:14.400 He's a very natural player. He's fluid. He's a little 1:10:14.400 --> 1:10:17.000 bit quicker than I thought he would be too, not 1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:21.080 necessarily like jitterbug underneath quickness, but that ability to like 1:10:21.360 --> 1:10:23.639 you know, threaten leverage and then and then cut out 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:26.000 of a break up the field a little bit. I 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:27.840 did a nice job of that. A couple of times. 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:30.639 I really think that you you mentioned the seven hundred 1:10:30.640 --> 1:10:32.559 and eighty yards earlier in the show. I think was 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:35.400 his career high in Miami. I think that's in play. 1:10:35.800 --> 1:10:38.320 I do, and I I would even I don't know. 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:42.479 I would even go as far to say that if 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:46.600 they get it into a lot more eleven personnel on 1:10:46.760 --> 1:10:49.640 third down, I would. I would go as far to 1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:52.400 say that Mikasiki might pass Hunter Henry this year. I 1:10:52.520 --> 1:10:57.559 think I think they might both be on the field. 1:10:57.600 --> 1:11:00.559 But if you get Hopkins, you have Juju. I guess 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:01.840 that could be the twelve. 1:11:01.520 --> 1:11:02.799 Person twelve personnel. 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:05.120 Yeah, because I guess, But I you know me, I 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:06.599 would love to get the speed on the field. 1:11:06.600 --> 1:11:08.280 I know, but I think that's gonna be it. No. 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:11.160 I was impressed by Gasiki too. You kind of put 1:11:11.160 --> 1:11:13.280 it better there. But it's that thing I talked about 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:15.759 it with Bourn where we're not really watching these guys 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:18.760 in yards after the catch situations, but you're seeing them 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:22.559 do things that translate. And I didn't realize Kasiki, like 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:26.280 you said, the agility right, the quickness, it doesn't come 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:28.400 across as much on tape as a dozen person I 1:11:28.400 --> 1:11:31.760 didn't realize quite how quick it is close athletes. Yeah, yeah, 1:11:31.800 --> 1:11:33.519 until I got to see him close up. So that's 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:34.559 that's that's fun to see. 1:11:34.640 --> 1:11:37.040 Yeah, he's gonna be a good player for him. Lumpkin, 1:11:37.280 --> 1:11:40.280 Johnny Lumpkin. The way I had sum up Johnny Lumpkin 1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:43.599 in the spring is that I wasn't expecting anything from 1:11:43.640 --> 1:11:46.839 Johnny Lumpkin in the spring. But when he wears sixty 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:48.599 five and white, you think he's attack. 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:49.240 He's a tackle. 1:11:49.320 --> 1:11:51.200 You think he's a tackle. He's a big freakin' dude. 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:54.559 And we'll see when the pads come on what that 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:58.840 looks like. Anthony Firksker made some tough catches. Maybe a 1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:01.200 little bit, Yeah, he can a little bit. I think 1:12:01.240 --> 1:12:02.559 two can play in the slot. I'm sure he can 1:12:02.560 --> 1:12:04.160 play a little bit out of the backfield. They're not 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.439 quite into that yet, with the run game and things 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:10.360 like that. I at the moment would be more inclined 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:13.320 to think that Ferksker mikes the roster as a tight 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:16.839 end three. If they're gonna carry three tight ends over Lumpkin. 1:12:16.920 --> 1:12:18.720 We'll see what happens when the pads come on, But 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:23.080 more than likely I think that both those guys are 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:26.479 on the practice squad. If somebody gets hurt, there's a 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:29.120 game plan that they want to have a wrinkle, right, 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:30.320 that's when those guys get out. 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:32.559 Yeah, I'm kind of in that same spot kind of 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:34.320 like we talked about with the receivers, I think they 1:12:34.400 --> 1:12:35.360 keep the two tight ends. 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:35.640 That's it. 1:12:36.360 --> 1:12:40.960 They'll have Ferkser, Lumpkin, Scotti, Washington who they like. I 1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:43.559 think Bill really likes, Bill spoke highly of and honestly 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:46.519 Matt Sokol like. So that's what four options you have, 1:12:47.040 --> 1:12:49.679 and they'll promote those guys as needed throughout the season. 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:51.639 Those guys will be practice squad call ups, so they'll 1:12:51.680 --> 1:12:53.240 have a third tight end active on game days. And 1:12:53.280 --> 1:12:55.680 then if and when he gets the point, you know, 1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:57.760 somebody goes on ir they want to keep a third 1:12:57.760 --> 1:13:01.240 tight end on the roster more regularly, then they'll they'll 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:03.080 sign somebody, but I think to start the season it'll 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:05.400 be mostly practice squad. Copps his third tight end, and 1:13:05.680 --> 1:13:07.759 you know, they're all kind of they're all slightly different players. 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:10.679 Washington's a hybrid wide receiver, So Washington's interesting. 1:13:10.720 --> 1:13:14.920 I don't know what to make of Washington because I 1:13:15.280 --> 1:13:19.360 just he he and I I want to say this 1:13:20.600 --> 1:13:23.639 for what my I'm writing tomorrow, but I'm gonna say 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:27.000 it here too. He makes these above the rim catches 1:13:27.280 --> 1:13:29.760 that like remind me of like Rob Williams catching an alley, 1:13:29.800 --> 1:13:32.920 you like, where his catch radius is like literally insane. 1:13:32.920 --> 1:13:34.040 Do you know who he reminds me of? Do you 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:34.760 remember Tim Wright? 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:35.080 Yeah? 1:13:35.160 --> 1:13:38.000 I remember him, right, But I feel like that Scottie 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:41.280 Washington has like even more of a vertical element tim 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:44.719 Wright does. He's a bas he's playing basketball. He's literally 1:13:44.840 --> 1:13:45.519 catching a lot. 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:47.880 Well remember the play he made last year. Yeah, it's 1:13:48.040 --> 1:13:50.880 it's but. 1:13:49.800 --> 1:13:52.040 But he's not I don't know if he's good enough 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:55.320 at anything else to make an NFL roster Like that's 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:57.559 cool in all, and he's gonna have these like highlight 1:13:57.600 --> 1:13:59.960 reel plays in practice. You know, Devin mccorty said he 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:02.240 made him on scout team last year, But is that 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:04.360 an NFL rosterable player. 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:06.679 Well, if let's say you keep on the practice squad, 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:08.920 yeah right, you're having some trouble in the red zone 1:14:08.920 --> 1:14:11.360 early in the year, Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, elevate him. 1:14:11.520 --> 1:14:14.240 So that that's my point, Like, I think him he's 1:14:14.320 --> 1:14:16.960 kind of a hybrid tight end receiver. Yeah, Ferks, there's 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:20.439 a hybrid tight end fullback for Lumpkin's a hybrid tight 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:26.400 end lineman, right, and Matt Solkole's basically just back up. Right, 1:14:26.479 --> 1:14:30.200 He's basically just a backup Hunter hands. I think it's fair. 1:14:30.520 --> 1:14:32.439 The point, well, he's wearing eighty seven, but we don't 1:14:32.439 --> 1:14:35.120 think it's the other guy. No, The point being, they 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:37.439 kind of have all the bases covered there. Yeah, so 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:39.160 they can kind of go maybe one week, Hey, we 1:14:39.240 --> 1:14:40.679 really need to run the ball this week. We're gonna 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:42.920 elevate Lumpkin. Another week, Hey, they have a really good 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:45.880 red zone defense. We're gonna elevate Scotty Washington another week. Hey, 1:14:46.040 --> 1:14:48.160 you know, Hunter, Henry's coming into this game a little 1:14:48.160 --> 1:14:50.000 banged up. We're gonna elevate Matt Sokle in case you 1:14:50.040 --> 1:14:51.840 need him. I think they keep all those guys on 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:55.439 the practice squad, so it's four players, three elevations each. 1:14:55.680 --> 1:14:58.759 That gets it through twelve weeks. Yeah, so that's pretty 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:00.400 and by then you kind of have a really good 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:01.479 idea of what you're gonna be at. 1:15:02.200 --> 1:15:04.080 If it gets to the point where somebody really is 1:15:04.120 --> 1:15:07.280 playing well, there's always injuries, there's always something that opens 1:15:07.280 --> 1:15:08.439 a roster spot and you sign it. 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:10.200 So I I think that's what that third tight end 1:15:10.240 --> 1:15:11.439 spot is gonna look like it's gonna be on the 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.360 practice squad. I think I honestly wouldn't be surprised if 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:17.040 all four of those guys different games. But if all 1:15:17.080 --> 1:15:18.680 four of those guys are active for at least one 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:19.479 game at some point. 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:22.160 Yeah, I mean Scottie Washington is just a He's an 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:24.719 interesting player. I don't know what he is. I don't 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:26.400 know if, like I said, I don't know if he's 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:29.799 Is he well rounded enough to really make an NFL 1:15:29.920 --> 1:15:33.559 roster yet? I probably not. But some of those catches 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:35.560 that he makes above the rim are ridiculous. 1:15:35.600 --> 1:15:38.960 So let me ask you this. They don't who's their 1:15:39.000 --> 1:15:43.200 backup X behind Parker, right, taking Hopkins out of the question. 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:47.880 Right now, Yeah, get sicky. I guess, like, could it 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:50.439 be Washington? I guess yeah. I mean, like he's a 1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:53.120 quality They don't have a ton of depth there. Yeah, 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:55.600 he might be, and I'm not necessarily I guess they 1:15:55.600 --> 1:15:58.720 would probably naturally use Taekwon. They're like if if you're 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:01.360 talking about like true wide receiver eleven persons. 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:03.439 But I'm saying, like, so you're thinking because Bill said 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:05.760 that Washington's kind of a hybrid. Yeah, when you look 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:08.320 at him in the context, in that context and their 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:13.720 lack of big, true outside wide receivers, Yeah, there might 1:16:13.760 --> 1:16:15.200 be some snaps for him there too. 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:15.679 Yeah. 1:16:15.760 --> 1:16:17.800 And I'm not saying that that's like a great thing, 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.639 but that's just the way the rosters. As I said before, 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:23.519 the depth falls off quick. I like what they have 1:16:23.520 --> 1:16:25.240 at the top the depth chart, but it falls off quick. 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:27.720 That could be a spot where Scotty Washington factors in. 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:31.040 All right, let's talk about the lineman, offensive and defensive line, 1:16:31.320 --> 1:16:33.320 and the reason why I put them together is because 1:16:33.360 --> 1:16:37.599 without pads, I am not going to evaluate we twelve minutes, 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:40.280 we can we can go a little bit. 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:41.800 I was ready for you to say we're gonna do 1:16:41.840 --> 1:16:42.639 defense next week. 1:16:42.920 --> 1:16:44.680 No, we can do this a little bit quicker and 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:47.760 a little bit go a little long here, offensive and 1:16:47.800 --> 1:16:50.439 defensive line kind of you know, we're talking more about 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:52.600 like who's playing where than anything in this time of 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:55.559 year than really getting into evaluation. My one take on 1:16:55.640 --> 1:16:59.040 the offensive line that you know, we've taught, everybody's written 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:01.479 about it, We've talked a lot about it. Guys. You know, 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:04.599 right now Calvin Anderson's getting the reps at left tackle 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:07.920 at Trent Brown situation. We can talk maybe next week 1:17:07.920 --> 1:17:10.720 more about Trent Brown and in the fallout and all 1:17:10.720 --> 1:17:15.559 that kind of stuff. Uh, Riley Reef, Connor McDermott right 1:17:15.640 --> 1:17:18.639 tackle kind of seemed like Connor McDermott might have gotten 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:21.400 more reps with the with the true starters with the 1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:24.920 ones later on in Minnie Campton. Riley Reef will see 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:28.280 what that holds if not, if it does or not. 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:31.760 My question with the offensive line, and you know me, 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:34.960 I've I've been pretty steadfast that Mike On when he 1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:37.960 was at guard and should stay at guard. Yeah, And 1:17:38.040 --> 1:17:40.880 I love the idea now that with Cole Strange in 1:17:40.880 --> 1:17:44.240 his second year, that could be a really rock solid 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:48.360 interior trio the three of those guys across Andrews and 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:52.439 in the middle of Strange and On. If this Trent 1:17:52.479 --> 1:17:57.280 Brown thing goes south, I am not ruling out kicking 1:17:57.280 --> 1:17:59.760 on one who back outside either way, I wouldn't rule 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:03.960 it out because if they really feel strongly about either 1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:07.120 rookie or I guess we can throw Bill Murray in there. 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:09.400 But I'm not seriously taking I'm not taking Bill Murray 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:15.880 seriously yet. But Mafi in particular intrigues me because he's 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:20.240 basically got the same exact body type as Mike on Winnu. Right, 1:18:20.280 --> 1:18:27.120 He's just a block of powerful block at guard. Jake 1:18:27.200 --> 1:18:30.240 Andrews had a couple of reps at guard too, you know, 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:33.759 up with the ones. If you feel really good about 1:18:33.760 --> 1:18:36.040 either one of those guys at guard and you're a 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:39.880 mess at tackle, why not, you know, why not think 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.640 about it? With on Wnu kicking him back outside that 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:45.519 might solve a spot, probably right tackle. You know, he 1:18:45.560 --> 1:18:48.160 probably goes back out to the right side. And now 1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:52.080 between Trent Brown, Calvin Anderson, Ryley Reef, and Connor McDermott, 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:54.679 you have to come up with one left tackle. Right, 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:57.800 You got four guys to find one left tackle. Can 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:00.320 you do it? I think so. So that sort of 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:02.720 where I'm at. I'm as worried about it tackle as 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:06.280 everybody else is. My fear, though, is not necessarily like, 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:08.599 oh God, they're gonna get Mac Jones killed and this 1:19:08.640 --> 1:19:11.599 is going to be a mess. My fear now I'm 1:19:11.640 --> 1:19:13.600 not there because I think that they're coaching will be 1:19:13.640 --> 1:19:16.960 good enough to mask it. My problem is is that 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:20.280 I would much rather Bill O'Brien in his bag in 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:23.120 other areas and not having to coach around. 1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:25.760 Okay, that's right, that's a fair way to put it. 1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:29.800 I'm with you on that. First of all. Yeah, I 1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:34.280 just even if Trent Brown is one tackle and he 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:36.040 can play either side, and that's the value in this 1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:40.879 because if between Calvin Anderson, Riley Reef and Conraich Dermott, 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.120 Calvin Anderson is the best player, you can still put 1:19:43.160 --> 1:19:48.080 your best five out there. But if Trent Brown is 1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:50.719 one guy, which he generally doesn't play a full season 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:53.519 you still need, you're still going with. 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:55.320 Two. 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:57.920 I don't want to say journeyman tackles because they're young, 1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:00.320 but like two guys who've been spot starters. Yeah, and 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:02.840 a guy entering his age thirty five season in Riley Reeve, 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:05.559 and I don't feel great about that. I'm almost at 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:08.360 the point where not almost I am. I kinda want 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:11.080 to see them sign DJ Flucker Evan. I do not 1:20:11.240 --> 1:20:14.519 necessarily because not necessarily because I think he's definitely the 1:20:14.560 --> 1:20:17.080 answer or anything. I really don't think he is. But yeah, 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:19.120 if you're gonna take a bunch of fifty to fifty shots. 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:20.840 The more shots, yeah, have the higher chance he hit 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:24.439 on something. The other thing about Flucker is if Mafi's 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:28.000 not ready, you still have the option to kick mike 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:29.519 O and Wenu out to right tackle. And you have 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:32.040 a guy that's played right guard in the NFL and Flucker. Yeah, 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:34.760 and he can certainly play that role as well. I 1:20:34.800 --> 1:20:37.000 think either way on win who should be considered it 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:37.559 right tackle? 1:20:37.760 --> 1:20:38.080 Me too. 1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:39.519 He's certainly good out. 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:42.040 I hate that, like I've been really reluctant on that 1:20:42.120 --> 1:20:43.400 right but I think it's it's. 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:46.439 It's clearly your best five if he's at right tackle. Mafy, 1:20:46.760 --> 1:20:49.559 I know he can't really gauge offensive lineman thus far. 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:52.439 The one thing I'll say from Mafi at six two 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:56.400 three thirty, he moves really well. He gets around. They 1:20:56.400 --> 1:20:58.439 were doing some things with like screens and stuff where 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:00.760 he had a poll and he's getting on front. Yeah, 1:21:00.800 --> 1:21:03.479 and his footwork solid. All of that that doesn't change 1:21:03.479 --> 1:21:07.519 a ton when you introduce contact, So it's it feels 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:08.200 worth a shot. 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:10.719 Yeah, I agree. It just goes back to something that 1:21:10.720 --> 1:21:14.000 that Scar would always talk about too, is just your 1:21:14.040 --> 1:21:17.519 best five might not always be what you thought it was. 1:21:17.720 --> 1:21:20.040 Like you know, like it's like, all right, you know, 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:24.800 what's our best five? It might be on WHENU at 1:21:24.800 --> 1:21:27.240 tackle and Mafi at guard, right or. 1:21:27.280 --> 1:21:29.240 That's what That's what I think. I really think it 1:21:29.320 --> 1:21:30.000 might be right. 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.840 And it kind of goes back to twenty one when 1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:34.920 On when he went to the bench and Ted Carris 1:21:34.960 --> 1:21:36.760 came in and everybody was like, what the hell right? 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:39.160 It was just but it just worked. It worked. The 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:42.240 continuity was there. You know, they were playing on a string. 1:21:42.280 --> 1:21:45.840 They were playing well. And even though Ted Carris wasn't 1:21:45.880 --> 1:21:51.000 necessarily a more talented or better lineman than Mike On, WHENU, 1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:55.120 the five man unit worked together right. And I feel 1:21:55.160 --> 1:21:57.240 like maybe that that could be the case with kicking 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:01.599 on when you back out to tackle. I I thought 1:22:01.640 --> 1:22:05.400 originally that Jake Andrews might be a rookie red shirt, 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:08.599 you know, ir type guy Foxborough. FLU still think that's 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:12.599 maybe possible, but he he might be the backup center 1:22:12.680 --> 1:22:15.320 right away, and so that that would be interesting to see, 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:20.040 if you know, between Russy and Farrence, can he beat 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:22.360 out either one of those guys for the backup center job. 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:25.120 I think it's possible. Uh, Do you want to keep 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:27.200 going or do you want to want to punt defense 1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:27.800 next week. 1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:31.120 Just one quick observation, Well, I want to get into 1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:33.479 the defense, but yeah, I can do defensive line real quick. 1:22:33.479 --> 1:22:36.360 One thought, Christian Barmore looks really good. He looks healthy. 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:37.920 I don't think he was healthy when he came back 1:22:38.000 --> 1:22:39.840 last year after a strong start to the season. 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:41.760 Yeah. I like that he's been here too. Yeah, he's 1:22:41.800 --> 1:22:43.120 been here all off season. 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:44.880 If he's healthy, that's a great sign. 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:47.559 Yeah sign. Yeah, he's been here all off season, which 1:22:47.600 --> 1:22:49.960 is good. A couple of things for me on the 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:52.960 defensive line, why I mean I count Keon Wise's defensive 1:22:52.960 --> 1:22:54.679 line man. He's playing up on the edge a little 1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:59.000 bit too. He I wasn't like too high on that 1:22:59.080 --> 1:23:04.080 draft pick, as you were. I'm still not totally sold. 1:23:04.200 --> 1:23:08.000 But he's he's winning me over. He's winning me over slowly. 1:23:08.240 --> 1:23:10.160 I think the one thing that I that he has 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:12.200 a little bit more first step juice than maybe I 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:15.559 gave him credit for. I like his flexibility to stand 1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:17.439 up or rush with his hand of the dirt. I 1:23:17.479 --> 1:23:19.599 think standing up is probably like a first down thing. 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:21.040 I don't want him doing it all the time. I 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:23.360 don't think he at two eighty five. He's pretty heavy 1:23:23.479 --> 1:23:27.080 to be doing that, you know, in space and dropping 1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:29.160 and things like that. I don't necessarily see that as 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:32.280 part of his game. But when he rushes off the 1:23:32.360 --> 1:23:35.040 edge and gets downhill and converts that speed to power, 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:37.320 He's got the length, he's got the hand power, he's 1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:40.600 got some explosiveness. He's right in the rotation. To me, 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:42.280 you know he's going to be right in the rotation. 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:43.800 Is he going to be at every down player out 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:45.800 of the gate? And no, but I think he's going 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:49.040 to be right in that forty to fifty percent range 1:23:49.160 --> 1:23:52.400 rotating in with the other guys. The other thing i'd 1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:57.880 say about the defensive line, what is Lawrence Guy's leverage? Like, like, 1:23:57.960 --> 1:24:01.360 please tell like, so top, tell me what his left. 1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:05.000 Here's my theory and there's no inside reporting nothing. 1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:05.880 This is just a guess. 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:08.800 He's thirty three years old, yeah, down here last year. 1:24:10.040 --> 1:24:12.439 I wonder if he's thinking about retiring. And this is 1:24:12.479 --> 1:24:15.120 simply just well, you know, if you want me to 1:24:15.120 --> 1:24:18.200 come back, you know you gotta Before he walks away, 1:24:18.200 --> 1:24:20.000 He'm just gonna see ifn get a little more money. Basically, 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:21.200 that's it, and he has all the right in the 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:21.600 world to do. 1:24:21.600 --> 1:24:24.400 That's to knock, but like I'm not knocking him or 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:27.000 like crapping on him for trying to know. 1:24:27.040 --> 1:24:29.800 Football wise, he has very little leverage. He's thirty three 1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:32.639 years old. Yeah, he had a down year last year. 1:24:32.640 --> 1:24:35.200 He was a he's a gap plugging two gap. 1:24:35.680 --> 1:24:37.639 The Patriots have other guys that can do what he does. 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:39.800 They just drafted one. I think on White could certainly 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:41.200 handle some of those responsibilities. 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:43.559 So you know why has it's gotten better against the run? Right? 1:24:43.640 --> 1:24:45.840 They open up far more splashy than he is. 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:48.160 They open up two point seven million dollars against the 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:50.920 cap if they move on from him. Yeah, so item 1:24:50.920 --> 1:24:53.800 off my ross projection. What I think his leverages is 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:56.719 he went to them and said, look, I'm thinking about retiring. 1:24:56.800 --> 1:24:59.240 If you can convince me financially to stay around, I'm 1:24:59.240 --> 1:25:01.519 happy to play another year. But if not, I think 1:25:01.560 --> 1:25:04.880 I'm done. And players do that from time to time. 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:07.120 You see players do that that you know they're fifty 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:08.679 to fifty on if they want to play another year, 1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:10.960 So why not ask for more money if you're gonna 1:25:11.040 --> 1:25:11.439 leave anywhere? 1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:14.360 Right, But if it's a million bucks, then like whatever. 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:16.320 But if I'm the Patriots I'm not kidding Laurence. 1:25:16.560 --> 1:25:18.680 I don't think he's sitting there saying, damn it, I 1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:20.680 deserve to be paid more than I'm getting. Like, I 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.280 don't think it's that. I think it's like, I'm not 1:25:23.320 --> 1:25:24.800 going back for what they're paying me. Yeah. 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:27.320 My fear is is that he thinks that he looks 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:30.640 at Davon Godshaw and is like, why am I not 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:31.720 getting paid like Davon? 1:25:32.120 --> 1:25:35.400 That's not like just personally, that doesn't seem to be 1:25:35.439 --> 1:25:36.320 like the kind of guy he is. 1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:39.759 I don't know that's it, like the person his last 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:43.280 off season, last training camp that he was a little 1:25:43.320 --> 1:25:47.680 bit disgruntled about something. And I don't know, I think 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:51.040 that Lawrence guy, I'm not. Look, he's a twenty ten 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:52.639 decade team Patriot player. 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:54.920 Oh, he's a great player, and he was here, great player, 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:56.240 incredible in the community. 1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:58.599 Really not trying to like crap all over him. Yeah, 1:25:58.680 --> 1:26:02.080 I just for the role that he plays, and for 1:26:02.160 --> 1:26:05.559 his age and for his effectiveness last year. I just 1:26:05.680 --> 1:26:09.439 don't see what he's done to deserve a raise. And 1:26:09.479 --> 1:26:10.160 that's that's no. 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:13.719 I'm with you, and I it even if he did, 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:15.960 it doesn't make a ton of sense. Football wise to 1:26:16.080 --> 1:26:17.679 do it, because, like I said, they have other guys 1:26:17.680 --> 1:26:20.599 that can do that. I think it's just, yeah, there's 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:23.599 not outside of him leaving, outside of him saying I'm 1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:27.240 going to retire. Yeah, there's really no leverage for him all. 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:31.160 Right, linebackers, h Jawan Bentley looks like Jawan Bentley another guy. 1:26:31.200 --> 1:26:33.920 We're just gonna kind of chalk up to that. Before 1:26:33.920 --> 1:26:34.639 I get into. 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:36.080 This, I was gonna say, there's really only one lineback 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:36.879 we need to talk. 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:42.000 Before we get into my guy. Mac Wilson is playing again. Yes, yes, Okay, 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:45.760 that's a point. So Mapoo and we're gonna get into 1:26:45.800 --> 1:26:47.879 him in a second, and I'm gonna gush for twenty minutes. 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:48.880 And then I'll do another twenty Sorry. 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:52.960 Mac Wilson is uh, he was really the one repping 1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:55.519 most of the time next to Juwan Bentley, like Mapu is. 1:26:55.600 --> 1:26:57.840 Still I think they're still trying to figure out if 1:26:57.880 --> 1:26:59.440 he's a safety, if he's a linebacker. 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:01.360 Where they bet think, Well, there were time all three 1:27:01.360 --> 1:27:02.800 of them were on the field. There a couple of. 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:05.559 Yeah, but I think that for the most part, Mac 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.760 Wilson's back in the rotation or at least getting the 1:27:08.880 --> 1:27:12.080 chance to be back in the rotation. Also, Je Devai, 1:27:12.680 --> 1:27:16.320 who I think is a important player to an extent. 1:27:16.479 --> 1:27:18.840 And I'll tell you why. You're right. 1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:19.639 No, you're not wrong. 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:23.400 They behind Judah and Nuja unless you count Keon White 1:27:23.479 --> 1:27:26.400 as an edge. I know you hate that outside linebacker 1:27:27.640 --> 1:27:29.559 July Devi is the only other guy that can play 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:31.840 on the line of scrimmage really out of that group. 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:35.559 Andthrey Jennings, well, I'm saying they have seen I have 1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:39.000 seen absolutely nothing out of and so I wanted to 1:27:39.040 --> 1:27:40.400 ask you that I don't even know if either one 1:27:40.439 --> 1:27:43.320 of those guys practiced for the well the last two weeks, 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:45.400 because this is the big question to me. Perkins R. 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:47.960 I didn't notice them at all. Jennings I noticed because 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:48.759 he got in two fights. 1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:52.360 Good good, So that's what we want. 1:27:52.439 --> 1:27:54.280 But the thing is he is one of the few 1:27:54.280 --> 1:27:56.040 guys that can play the true edge like that. He 1:27:56.160 --> 1:27:59.120 did play a key role last year when I was 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:01.280 doing my my Row projection. I was putting it together 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:03.720 last night, and this is how I have it right now. 1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:05.599 There is still so much time for this to change. 1:28:06.400 --> 1:28:11.080 The last decision I made came down to mac Wilson, 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:16.360 Anthony Jennings. I went with Jennings because, again, he was 1:28:16.400 --> 1:28:18.519 a starter last year. Mack Wilson didn't play defense for 1:28:18.560 --> 1:28:20.439 the final five weeks of the year. I kind of 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:23.760 defaulted back to that. But if you wanted to, if 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:25.240 you want to say no, you're wrong, it's gonna be 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:27.040 mack Wilson over Anthony Jennings. 1:28:27.080 --> 1:28:28.880 I think it almost has to be mac Wilson just 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:31.800 because of a ray Qua McMillan's injury. Like, you're gonna 1:28:31.840 --> 1:28:34.960 go into this season with the only guys with NFL 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:39.120 experience as true inside linebackers being Bentley and I guess Tavia, 1:28:39.280 --> 1:28:42.360 who's kind of like a cross hybrid between outside and inside. 1:28:43.040 --> 1:28:44.519 There's just not a lot of depth there. If you 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:45.400 don't have mac Wilson. 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:47.440 How often are they gonna play linebackers? 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:49.040 I think so? 1:28:49.760 --> 1:28:52.559 In fair your point, I in my it's up ninety 1:28:52.600 --> 1:28:54.040 five the Sports of dot Com. I brought up your 1:28:54.040 --> 1:28:57.840 point basically by saying they're gonna play six defensive acts 1:28:57.840 --> 1:29:00.559 a ton in maybe seven, so I don't remember. In 1:29:00.560 --> 1:29:03.840 twenty twenty, they just didn't play linebackers. Juwan Bentley, I 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:06.000 think play it had like a sixty percent usage rate 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:09.080 that year and nobody else over twenty Averredy Jennings. Actually 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:10.720 people forget him. They talk about how he didn't do 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:13.559 anything until his third year. He was their second most 1:29:13.640 --> 1:29:16.400 used linebacker as a rookie. It's like twenty percent. You 1:29:16.479 --> 1:29:20.160 might see something. Oh you're not because Matt Judon is 1:29:20.439 --> 1:29:24.640 now in the picture, but you might see something like 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:27.400 that again, where there's just not gonna be a ton 1:29:27.439 --> 1:29:30.919 of linebackers on the field this year. I'm counting. I'm counting. 1:29:31.280 --> 1:29:33.679 Mapoo is his own thing. I'm not including him linebackers. 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:38.880 Mapoo is his own thing. Yeah he is. I It's 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:43.680 been a minute since I've been so excited about a 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:47.639 Patriots rookie in the spring. I think the biggest thing 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:53.200 with Mapoo is not he plays fast. He plays sideline 1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:56.160 the sideline, He's got the range of explosedness. But the 1:29:56.160 --> 1:29:59.200 biggest thing to me is his anticipation and his instincts. 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:03.240 Ability to just read things out and click and close 1:30:03.320 --> 1:30:05.879 and really see it and go get the football quickly. 1:30:06.920 --> 1:30:09.400 Is just a breath of fresh air. I mean, they've 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:12.400 just needed it so badly for so many years now. 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:16.080 This to me really feels like such a big difference maker. 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:21.240 If he's playing again, I will until the cows come home, 1:30:21.360 --> 1:30:24.400 continue to pound this. If he's playing at the second 1:30:24.520 --> 1:30:28.960 level of the defense, it's a huge, huge difference maker. 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:32.280 If they're gonna mess with it and play them at 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:34.760 safety and play them in like a Kyle Duggar type 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:37.759 of role. I can see that that's gonna have overlap 1:30:37.880 --> 1:30:39.599 to what I want him to do, but it's not. 1:30:40.400 --> 1:30:42.800 It's not fully what I want him to do, right, 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:45.880 And I think the biggest thing for him is, like 1:30:46.000 --> 1:30:51.920 you know, all right, spy low hole zones like against 1:30:51.960 --> 1:30:55.559 mobile quarterbacks in there, and man the Cover two hole 1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:57.479 in the middle of the field, right like the Tampa 1:30:57.520 --> 1:31:00.479 two linebacker in the middle of the field, the hook 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:03.639 defender in Cover three, like those are high stress coverage 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:06.080 assignments in the middle of the field and roles in 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.160 the middle of the field in the passing game that 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:12.479 he can just do so well for them. And I 1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.080 just look across the league and all the those types 1:31:15.120 --> 1:31:17.760 of guys like the Fred Warners and the Matt Milanos 1:31:17.800 --> 1:31:20.679 and you know, Deon Jones before he started to fall off, 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:25.000 And that's that's what I continue to see. Mapu's ideal role, 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:28.439 his ability to like go from the middle of the 1:31:28.479 --> 1:31:31.080 field and they throw the football in the flat to 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:33.439 the running back or something like that, and he can 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.160 just shoot out of a cannon and get to it 1:31:36.520 --> 1:31:39.920 and make a play on the football. They I don't 1:31:40.439 --> 1:31:43.600 like maybe since like prime Jamie Collins, like maybe I 1:31:43.600 --> 1:31:44.879 don't even know, like well. 1:31:44.880 --> 1:31:48.639 Liked compare him to Jamie Collins and Dante hie Town. 1:31:48.720 --> 1:31:50.479 I just well, yeah, that's a little bit much. But 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:53.519 I just don't know where if they've had that player before. 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:58.920 So Mapu is my biggest star of the offseason program. Uh. 1:31:58.960 --> 1:32:02.559 He looks to me like the missing piece in a 1:32:02.600 --> 1:32:05.679 lot of ways to this defense because he gives them 1:32:05.840 --> 1:32:10.439 speed and range at the second level of the field 1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:13.479 from the linebacker spot that they just haven't had. I 1:32:13.840 --> 1:32:16.360 really feel like he's a guy and I don't want 1:32:16.400 --> 1:32:19.080 to like put I'm not putting it all on him 1:32:19.080 --> 1:32:22.000 to go stop Josh Allen by himself, but like, to me, 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:25.720 he's exactly the type of guy that that could stop me. 1:32:26.040 --> 1:32:29.479 He allows everybody else to more focus on their roles 1:32:29.560 --> 1:32:35.240 in that game plan. The discussion, debate, argument, whatever you 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:36.920 want to call it. We had like three four weeks 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:39.200 ago about what Marte mop who was going to be 1:32:39.200 --> 1:32:41.519 and you had all these lofty ideals and ideas and 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:43.479 I basically said, yeah, it'd be great, but they won't 1:32:43.520 --> 1:32:45.800 do it. Yeah, yeah, you won you one. You're right, 1:32:45.800 --> 1:32:46.400 they're doing it. 1:32:46.479 --> 1:32:48.240 There you go. He admitted. I was right. 1:32:48.479 --> 1:32:50.360 You're right. 1:32:50.439 --> 1:32:51.000 You were right. 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:55.400 I didn't think they will I was wrong. I was 1:32:55.439 --> 1:32:57.640 wrong more than you were right. You just said you 1:32:57.640 --> 1:32:59.320 said you wanted them to do it. I said, that's great, 1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:00.160 but they won't turn that. 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:03.439 They did. Yeah, So they they did some. I mentioned 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:05.840 it earlier when we were briefly talking about Maie cutting him. 1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:08.720 They did some nine on seven in this camp where 1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:11.760 they were they were practicing against read option and McSorley 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:14.240 was running it a little bit too, as the quarterback 1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:17.080 to read option quarterback. First of all, just on on 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:19.680 a on one note, I love that they're doing that 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:22.760 already because clearly they recognize that they're going to see 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:25.519 this a lot now and they're gonna have they have 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:27.800 to practice this in the spring like this is something 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:29.960 that they had to drill out of the gate. So 1:33:30.000 --> 1:33:32.439 I love that they're doing that just because they're going 1:33:32.479 --> 1:33:34.559 to see so much of it. But the second thing 1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:40.559 is is watching uh Mapu just be the weak side chaser, 1:33:41.320 --> 1:33:44.800 if you will. That awesome, just like awesome that he 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:47.280 just like watching him go out there. And I talked 1:33:47.280 --> 1:33:49.880 to him and I asked him about, uh, you know, 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:53.080 what it was like to do that and and whatnot, 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:57.759 and he just mentioned that he felt like in college 1:33:58.040 --> 1:33:59.840 he had to take over, like he had to do 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:03.040 everything all the time, and in the pros he's able 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:04.760 to just do what he's good at, right and just 1:34:04.800 --> 1:34:07.679 like focus on his job and his assignment. I really 1:34:07.720 --> 1:34:10.439 am very excited about Mapu. I think he's gonna be 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:12.800 a big time player for them. Let's talk about the 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:16.080 safety because it kind of goes hand in hand with yeah, 1:34:16.080 --> 1:34:18.599 I think. Yeah. So I know that there's a lot 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:20.600 to be made about the disguising. There's a lot to 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:22.960 be made about all the mixing and matching and who's 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:25.920 playing where and you know, smoking mirrors, things like that, 1:34:26.000 --> 1:34:30.800 spin the dial. I I like it too. At the 1:34:30.880 --> 1:34:33.519 end of the day, I think that it's ultimately though, 1:34:33.560 --> 1:34:36.679 going to come down to, you know, our football players 1:34:36.720 --> 1:34:38.839 against your football players. They can do all the disguise, 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:40.400 and they can do all the rotating, they can do 1:34:40.439 --> 1:34:42.960 all the spin the dial that they want, but you know, 1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:44.200 at the end of the day, it's going to come 1:34:44.240 --> 1:34:47.479 down to our best against your best, and who's that 1:34:47.880 --> 1:34:51.680 you know. Finding that right sort of marriage between all 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:55.400 of these different similar players, honestly similar body types, I 1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:57.360 think it's going to be important to me. It all 1:34:57.360 --> 1:34:59.640 starts with Kyle Dugger, Like, I think Kyle Dugger is 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:01.679 the center piece of it all because I think Kyle 1:35:01.760 --> 1:35:04.840 Duggar is really the true guy that I trust the 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:06.680 most and kind of want the most to be in 1:35:06.720 --> 1:35:10.639 the back end at free safety and then obviously spin 1:35:10.760 --> 1:35:14.040 and move off of that as well. I'm also really excited, 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:16.679 you know. I know everybody had a lot of good 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:18.960 things to say from Bill about Jabriel Peppers and things 1:35:19.000 --> 1:35:20.920 like that will get to him too. I'm really excited 1:35:20.920 --> 1:35:24.000 about Jaalen. This this move for Jalen Mills. I think 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:28.080 that for Jalen Mills, this is gonna be better both 1:35:28.120 --> 1:35:30.960 for him and for the football team to be playing 1:35:31.000 --> 1:35:33.200 more of like a slot safety hybrid role. We saw 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:35.720 him playing some on the tight ends, we saw him 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:37.720 playing someone with a slot, we saw him playing some 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:40.840 deep It just seems like that's just like a natural 1:35:40.880 --> 1:35:43.400 spot for him, Like he just looks more comfortable there, 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:47.280 looks more effective there, and it does give them still 1:35:47.320 --> 1:35:50.840 that flexibility to rotate him into the boundary to really 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:52.800 spit it on a quarterback if they want to do that. 1:35:53.240 --> 1:35:55.599 It also gives them a flexibility if somebody gets hurt 1:35:55.640 --> 1:35:59.160 at corner, that he can still go back out to corner, right, 1:35:59.400 --> 1:36:02.519 So he's a only valuable player and all this as well, Uh, 1:36:02.760 --> 1:36:04.679 that's kind of the safeties to me. You know, Pepper's 1:36:04.720 --> 1:36:06.720 it looks good and it looks like he's going to 1:36:06.760 --> 1:36:09.160 be a contributor, but they're still going to have to 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:13.120 figure out communication is going to be obviously key in 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:15.519 there in the back end, and at the end of 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:17.639 the day, somebody is gonna have to play center fields, 1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:20.240 you know, and who is the best at that I 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:21.439 still think remains to be seen. 1:36:21.560 --> 1:36:23.639 Well, So I fought it for so long because they've 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:25.639 they've said for years pretty much as long as we've 1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:27.960 been covering the team that you know, we're not corners, 1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:30.280 we're not safeties, we're defensive backs. And I've struggled as 1:36:30.320 --> 1:36:32.800 much as possible to from covering the team point of 1:36:32.880 --> 1:36:35.040 view to kind of split them we can't. 1:36:35.080 --> 1:36:37.200 We can't this year. We can't. They're they're defensive backs. 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.280 Because to get to your point about the safeties, especially 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:44.080 with the communication, who's their longest tenured defensive back, it's 1:36:44.160 --> 1:36:48.400 Jonathan Jones. Yeah, he might be the answer there. And 1:36:48.439 --> 1:36:51.040 we saw them get into this sum later in the spring. 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:55.000 Yeah, I still want them in the I know you do. 1:36:55.080 --> 1:36:57.519 But there's there's a chain reaction here. Christian is also 1:36:57.520 --> 1:36:58.599 is gonna be one boundary corner. 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:01.840 That's a thing. Yeah. If Jack Jones, yeah, he's my 1:37:01.920 --> 1:37:02.960 other big, big star. 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:06.519 So if and he was good, If Jack Jones can 1:37:06.560 --> 1:37:08.000 hold it down on the other side, and by the way, 1:37:08.040 --> 1:37:10.679 they're a little thin at boundary corner, i'd like maybe 1:37:10.680 --> 1:37:11.400 it's Jalen Mills. 1:37:11.479 --> 1:37:13.920 I think the guy, the fourth guy. 1:37:14.040 --> 1:37:17.679 Okay, but if if so, your Christians was on one side, 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:19.240 if Jack Jones can be the guy on the other 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:23.240 that allows you to play Jonathan Jones is the deep 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:27.599 safety who can use his experience as football IQ. But 1:37:27.920 --> 1:37:30.880 just listen to me for a second. Just listen to there. 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:33.240 You kind of glossed over all the weird stuff they're 1:37:33.240 --> 1:37:35.599 doing with like and weird in a good way. Different 1:37:35.640 --> 1:37:38.440 guys lining up in different spots and all these exotic rotations. 1:37:38.720 --> 1:37:39.960 They didn't do an install. 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:40.800 They picked up. 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:42.640 Where they left off last year. They were on like 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:45.439 step six when everybody else on step one. To do 1:37:45.520 --> 1:37:47.519 all that, everybody has to be on the same page. 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.599 Nobody's gonna be better than that at that than Jonathan Jones. 1:37:50.880 --> 1:37:53.719 If Jack Jones can be your second boundary corner, Jonathan 1:37:53.800 --> 1:37:56.479 Jones can play on the back end, Marcus Jones in 1:37:56.520 --> 1:38:01.719 the slot that allows you to use Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, 1:38:01.880 --> 1:38:05.840 and Marte mop who as basically jokers, not that's a 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:08.120 good Jokers natural football term like the Joker card and depth. 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:13.160 Jokers wild can be anything. They Ultimately they should play 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:15.840 everybody everywhere. We talked about it on offense, how like 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:18.280 you can kind of disguise things with MIKEA. Sicki and 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:22.600 Tom Montgomery. That should be tenfold on defense. Once you 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:26.040 could have the same personnel out there one snap, the 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:28.720 next snap, it's the exact same personnel, but everybody's in 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:32.040 a different position. You can do that and realistic. They 1:38:32.040 --> 1:38:33.240 should do it well, and they should do it. But 1:38:34.000 --> 1:38:38.600 what I just described that is an elite elite secondary. 1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:40.800 If all of those guys can live up to what 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:41.599 we think they can. 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:45.639 It's a good group. I just I'm not quite as 1:38:46.240 --> 1:38:49.240 high on the disguising part of it as everybody else is, 1:38:49.280 --> 1:38:53.400 because my at the end of the day, Josh Allen, 1:38:53.760 --> 1:38:57.280 Patrick Mahoomer, this is just let me finish. These guys 1:38:57.800 --> 1:39:02.720 are immune to it. But remembering what will happen is no, no, 1:39:02.840 --> 1:39:05.759 what will happen is is they'll spin the freaking dial. 1:39:05.800 --> 1:39:09.080 They'll break the thing off right against Josh Allen and 1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:11.960 he'll freaking hold the ball and they won't get him 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:14.599 on the ground and he'll turn it into playground bullshit 1:39:14.640 --> 1:39:15.280 and it won't matter. 1:39:15.360 --> 1:39:19.280 So two things right, One? Three things nice swear you 1:39:19.320 --> 1:39:20.200 did two? 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:20.760 Sorry, Matt. 1:39:21.000 --> 1:39:23.679 That's why Marte mop who's here, right? We just talked 1:39:23.680 --> 1:39:24.120 about that. 1:39:24.280 --> 1:39:26.880 I don't think there is the best quarterback you. I 1:39:26.880 --> 1:39:29.720 don't think the disguising works. I don't against Mahomes maybe not. 1:39:30.280 --> 1:39:32.400 Do you remember that when we did the shows before 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:35.080 the Bills game last year, you were talking about spin 1:39:35.160 --> 1:39:37.720 the dial and it didn't work. 1:39:37.800 --> 1:39:39.920 No, you came on the next week and said it worked. 1:39:40.000 --> 1:39:40.599 It didn't work. 1:39:40.680 --> 1:39:42.479 You came on the next week and said it work. 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:45.240 When you said that they had him confused, they did. 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:48.880 They had him second guessing a little bit. Maybe they 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:51.960 forced him in that second game. The second game is 1:39:52.800 --> 1:39:56.120 the special teams touchdowns. That first game they held him 1:39:56.120 --> 1:39:57.800 the twenty four points. And you're gonna sit here and 1:39:57.800 --> 1:39:59.120 tell me because they ran the clock in the second 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:01.719 half because they could because the offense didn't do anything. 1:40:02.080 --> 1:40:04.200 The offense needs to be better for them to beat 1:40:04.240 --> 1:40:07.200 the Bills, period, it does. That has nothing to do 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:09.800 with the defense. The spinning the die of work. I'm 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:11.320 not gonna sit here and say it doesn't work. It 1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:14.840 works because I also don't think they're gonna spin the 1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:17.400 dial on the conventional sets. I think this defense is 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:20.599 capable of doing some things we've never seen done before. Yeah, 1:40:20.640 --> 1:40:21.479 I'll go that far. 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:24.760 I guess, to me, what I'm more excited about, and 1:40:24.800 --> 1:40:27.880 I don't disagree, But what about all the versatility and 1:40:27.920 --> 1:40:30.240 the spin the I don't disagree. I just think what 1:40:30.280 --> 1:40:34.400 I'm more excited about is that the overall talent level 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:37.080 of the group is improving, and it starts with Christian 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:40.360 Gonzales obviously, who's out there as the number one corner 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:43.439 at this point in time, I think Gonzal, Look, the 1:40:43.479 --> 1:40:46.240 guy's a ballerina on a football. Yeah, he moves like 1:40:46.280 --> 1:40:50.519 a freaking ballerina. I think for him, he's certainly gonna 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.240 be more like living your hip pocket type of corner 1:40:53.280 --> 1:40:57.840 than a splash play corner. But his consistency to take 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:01.200 the number one guy or to take the number two like, 1:41:01.240 --> 1:41:04.080 whatever way they want to dip it up. His consistency 1:41:04.200 --> 1:41:05.920 on the outside, I don't want to get too caught 1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:07.640 up in is he getna cover a J. Browsey and 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:11.680 covered DeVante Smith whatever like? On the outside. His consistency 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:14.160 on his side of the field is going to allow 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:19.840 Jack Jones to be a ballhawk and be essentially their J. C. Jackson, Right, 1:41:19.880 --> 1:41:23.240 and just he's gonna have if Jack Jones keeps his 1:41:23.320 --> 1:41:27.880 head on and is healthy, he's gonna have I think 1:41:28.800 --> 1:41:32.599 five six, seven, eight picks this year, right, and that 1:41:32.600 --> 1:41:36.240 that really makes them multiple and uh makes them you 1:41:36.280 --> 1:41:38.880 know that much better. And then it comes to the 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:43.360 slot and again not you know, I keep saying it 1:41:43.400 --> 1:41:46.160 when I say something negative about a player, not trashing 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:48.439 on him, I don't mean to, you know, pick on 1:41:48.520 --> 1:41:53.639 Miles Bryant. But they are now evolved past Miles Bryant, 1:41:53.680 --> 1:41:55.519 Like they don't need to play Miles Bryan as much 1:41:55.560 --> 1:41:59.639 as they've been playing him. And now Jonathan Jones, whether 1:41:59.680 --> 1:42:02.439 he's the slot or Marcus Jones in the slot, they 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:04.040 now have a better player there. So they have a 1:42:04.080 --> 1:42:06.960 better boundary corner in Christian Gonzalez, they have a better 1:42:07.000 --> 1:42:10.320 slot corner, and either John Jones or Marcus Jones, and 1:42:10.360 --> 1:42:13.639 they still have the multiplicity and and the hybrid players 1:42:13.640 --> 1:42:16.360 in the back end. That's what makes me excited because, 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:19.280 like I just said, when they go against Patrick Mahomes 1:42:19.320 --> 1:42:21.720 and they go against Josh Allen, we'll see about Justin 1:42:21.760 --> 1:42:24.719 Herbert if he's can solve this yet this Rubik's Cube 1:42:24.720 --> 1:42:30.320 of Bill Belatricks yet. But those types of guys they 1:42:30.400 --> 1:42:34.320 win so often in those second reaction playground plays that, yeah, 1:42:34.360 --> 1:42:36.439 you might be able to spend the dial on them 1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:40.000 so that the initial play call fails on them, but 1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:43.000 they'll just they'll just run around right and they'll you know, 1:42:43.040 --> 1:42:45.479 they'll they'll figure it out and they'll make stuff happen. 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:48.760 So what you really need is you need guys that 1:42:48.760 --> 1:42:50.880 can lock it down. You need guys that can cover 1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:53.360 Steffan Diggs. You need guys that can play out of 1:42:53.400 --> 1:42:56.080 the slot more consistently than Miles Brian in coverage. You 1:42:56.120 --> 1:42:58.000 need guys that can go out there and win their 1:42:58.040 --> 1:43:01.680 matchups that way. There, when you win matchups, that's when 1:43:01.760 --> 1:43:04.519 Josh Allen holds the football for too long, right, and 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:07.679 that's okay. That's when Josh Uca comes. That's when Matthew 1:43:07.720 --> 1:43:10.760 Judon comes. That's when the guys Marty Mapu comes in 1:43:10.800 --> 1:43:13.080 the spy and it comes and closes and makes play 1:43:13.120 --> 1:43:15.920 on him. That's what gets me excited is just that 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:18.360 this group in the back end is better than they 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:22.680 were last year. Starts with Gonzales. The two second year 1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:25.479 Joneses are coming on well as well as we saw 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:27.519 at the end of last year. It's a fun group. 1:43:27.600 --> 1:43:30.800 I said on p I'll say it here. I think 1:43:30.800 --> 1:43:33.360 the Patriots defense has a chance to be the best 1:43:33.360 --> 1:43:35.720 defense in the league. And I don't mean just like 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:40.320 beating up the Sam Howells of their schedule. I mean really, 1:43:41.040 --> 1:43:43.479 and I don't mean holding Buffalo in Kansas City to 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:47.080 thirteen points. But I mean like we come away from 1:43:47.120 --> 1:43:51.320 those games being like they were really, really competitive defensively 1:43:51.400 --> 1:43:54.920 against and not the fake competitive like the real competitive 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:55.880 against those teams. 1:43:55.880 --> 1:43:57.880 I mean, look, you still San Francisco, you still a Philly. 1:43:57.960 --> 1:44:00.639 I would say this really good shot the best defense 1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:03.200 in the AFC. It's them, the Steelers and the Jets. 1:44:03.360 --> 1:44:04.600 That's that's pretty much it for me. 1:44:05.000 --> 1:44:08.120 I think I think they have a better front than 1:44:08.120 --> 1:44:11.120 the Jets. I think the Jets still does. Jets have 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:13.160 a great scheme. Yeah, they have a great system, and 1:44:13.240 --> 1:44:15.640 Sauce is probably the best corner out of anybody in 1:44:15.720 --> 1:44:19.280 this group. But I think that they they might have 1:44:19.320 --> 1:44:20.040 a better front than. 1:44:20.000 --> 1:44:21.880 They definitely have the complete because it's funny you say 1:44:21.880 --> 1:44:25.400 that about the Jets. The Steelers have the better front, 1:44:25.880 --> 1:44:29.000 right the secondary they have MAKA obviously, but the corners aren't. 1:44:30.200 --> 1:44:32.160 You combine the two of them, the Patriots are the 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:33.719 most well rounded. I think those are. 1:44:34.080 --> 1:44:36.920 The Patriots have depth and talented all three levels of 1:44:36.960 --> 1:44:39.479 this defense. And it's just and this isn't like a 1:44:39.479 --> 1:44:41.960 Homer take either. I've seen people nationally, like you know, 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:44.439 Mina Kimes is really high on the Patriots defense right now. 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:48.280 I've seen other people talk about this Patriots defense. They 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:50.960 have real, really good players at all. 1:44:51.000 --> 1:44:53.640 So I think the one thing is again, So I 1:44:53.920 --> 1:44:58.240 think those are the three best defenses. These Steelers have TJ. 1:44:58.360 --> 1:45:02.200 Watt eng and if it's Patrick, the Jets have Sauce 1:45:02.600 --> 1:45:06.919 and Quinn Williams. Yeah, the Patriots finished sentenced. The Patriots 1:45:06.920 --> 1:45:14.360 have Matthew Judin and potential options here. 1:45:14.400 --> 1:45:16.760 I think I hear your point that maybe they're a 1:45:16.800 --> 1:45:18.599 little bit more unproven in that. No. 1:45:18.600 --> 1:45:22.360 No, my point is like, is there might actually so. 1:45:23.040 --> 1:45:25.120 They have even more depth than those teams. 1:45:25.120 --> 1:45:26.920 Do they have they have more depth? No? The thing is, 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:30.040 do they have that second true star on defense, the 1:45:30.040 --> 1:45:33.320 guy that's gonna be the all Pro conversation with Matthew 1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:33.760 jude On? 1:45:34.439 --> 1:45:38.120 So there, Kyle Duger, I don't know if he's all 1:45:38.120 --> 1:45:40.920 Pro conversations. That's safety spots so deep across the league. 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:44.439 Okay, here, all right, let me rephrase that, Uh t J. 1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:46.880 Watt top five a disposition? Yeah right, make if it's 1:45:46.920 --> 1:45:50.799 Patrick top five disposition, uh Sauce Gardener top five disposition, 1:45:50.840 --> 1:45:53.679 Quinn Williams top five disposition, Matthew Judon's top five disposition. 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:56.360 Is there another guy along with Judaan on this defense 1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:57.639 that at the end of the year we will say 1:45:57.760 --> 1:45:59.840 was top five in his position? There's a couple of 1:45:59.840 --> 1:46:02.679 guys who maybe needle their way into the conversation. Kyle 1:46:02.760 --> 1:46:08.280 Duggar could could, I'm gonna say Christian Barmore could. 1:46:08.600 --> 1:46:10.400 Yeah, that's such a deep spot. I know. 1:46:10.479 --> 1:46:13.120 But and here's where maybe I'm getting a little ahead 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:16.400 of myself. But I don't care. Are you gonna say 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:19.000 Chritian Zalees, I'm gonna say Chritian Salez No, not yet, 1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:19.599 not yet? 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:23.519 So good. He's he's he looks, he looks the part. 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:25.400 But is there anybody else that you think maybe he 1:46:25.400 --> 1:46:26.360 gets into the conversation. 1:46:26.880 --> 1:46:27.320 Not yet. 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:30.360 Sauce has only played one year. We're putting him there. 1:46:31.280 --> 1:46:33.960 Yeah, but he Yeah, that's fair. 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:36.160 I'm not saying is right now. I'm saying at the 1:46:36.240 --> 1:46:38.400 end of the year, when we go back and look 1:46:38.439 --> 1:46:41.640 at let's talk. Could Christian Gonzalez have a yer like 1:46:41.720 --> 1:46:42.599 sauceted last year? 1:46:44.080 --> 1:46:46.000 Maybe not the on ball production because. 1:46:45.800 --> 1:46:47.839 I don't because he's a different kind of impact. 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:50.200 Yeah, maybe, you know. I always then there you go. 1:46:50.280 --> 1:46:52.160 The comp that I always go back to with Gonzales 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:52.759 is certain. 1:46:54.360 --> 1:46:56.160 Can Is there a chance at the end of the year, 1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:58.360 we're talking about Matthew Judon and Christian Zalez. Like we 1:46:58.360 --> 1:47:01.080 talked about t J. Watt and Mike Fitzpatrick, it's possible 1:47:01.360 --> 1:47:03.360 that's and then there you go. Then that's my point, Like, 1:47:03.400 --> 1:47:05.960 that's that's the one thing they're missing stacked up to 1:47:05.960 --> 1:47:10.200 those other two defenses, is that second, you know, checkmate player. 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:12.479 But I think they have guys that have the potential 1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:14.679 to be that guy. So been yet, but we'll see. 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:19.400 So maybe the checkmate player, maybe he's a situational checkmate player. 1:47:19.400 --> 1:47:21.680 But I think J has a chance to be made. 1:47:21.920 --> 1:47:23.639 So that's it. Because that's two pass rushers. 1:47:23.720 --> 1:47:25.720 Yeah, because I mean eleven half sacks last year is 1:47:25.720 --> 1:47:26.160 eleven and half. 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:28.479 That's and they were all on the second half of 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:28.800 the season. 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:30.360 That's fair. I'll give you that. All right, let's take 1:47:30.360 --> 1:47:32.040 this one last phone call and then we'll get to 1:47:32.080 --> 1:47:34.800 your your specialist. You're five minutes on the specialist. All right, 1:47:34.840 --> 1:47:37.960 all right, William, you gotta go quickly. We're we're really 1:47:38.000 --> 1:47:40.439 running long here. What's up, no problem? 1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:40.960 What's going on? 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:41.680 How you doing? 1:47:42.640 --> 1:47:42.920 Okay? 1:47:43.640 --> 1:47:44.160 How you doing? 1:47:44.280 --> 1:47:44.479 Hey? 1:47:46.040 --> 1:47:47.200 Hey? Okay, real fast. 1:47:47.560 --> 1:47:50.840 Have you ever heard anything about the Pages were interested 1:47:50.880 --> 1:47:53.760 in trading for Chase Chase Young? 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.760 Uh No, there's your second player. I don't think it's 1:47:57.760 --> 1:47:58.360 gonna happen. 1:47:58.840 --> 1:48:03.080 Uh, neither. Do you want the trade for Chase Young? 1:48:04.120 --> 1:48:04.200 No? 1:48:04.600 --> 1:48:05.000 I just. 1:48:07.360 --> 1:48:08.800 Man, what a second round pick? 1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:14.080 That's that's okay? All right, Zal you got yeah, that's all. 1:48:14.360 --> 1:48:16.479 Thanks for colling in, man, I appreciate it if they 1:48:16.479 --> 1:48:18.320 got Chase Young of the best defense in football. I 1:48:18.360 --> 1:48:19.320 don't know how they're doing it. 1:48:20.600 --> 1:48:24.920 They're not trading for Chase hands down. No, I don't 1:48:24.960 --> 1:48:29.320 think so. All right, the floor is yours alty, all right? 1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:33.960 Your takeaways about the specialists, Uh, the rookie specialist versus 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:38.080 Nick Folk and cordless weightman? H during cordless? I said 1:48:38.080 --> 1:48:38.840 cordless weight man. 1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:41.520 They said cordless. He is cordless. 1:48:41.520 --> 1:48:44.400 He's a cordless phone. Now, Uh what what were your 1:48:44.439 --> 1:48:46.320 take I have some takes on this, but I want 1:48:46.360 --> 1:48:48.080 you know you're resident special team. 1:48:48.240 --> 1:48:50.599 All right, Well we'll do the kickers first. I think 1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:53.160 it's Ryland. I thought it was Ryland going in, but 1:48:53.360 --> 1:48:55.000 not going in. I was like, all right, he's a 1:48:55.040 --> 1:48:57.519 fourth round pick. Nick Folks thirty eight. He fell off 1:48:57.560 --> 1:49:01.080 the end of last year. That's also true, obviously. The 1:49:01.120 --> 1:49:03.679 other really interesting development when they were doing the kickoff drills, 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:06.120 which they did a good amount of. It was pretty 1:49:06.160 --> 1:49:09.240 much just the kickers handling kickoffs, Ryland and Folk, and 1:49:09.439 --> 1:49:12.679 they split them evenly. But remember last year when Folk 1:49:12.720 --> 1:49:14.679 fell off. I don't think we ever got a definitive 1:49:14.680 --> 1:49:16.360 answer on this being the cause, but there was a 1:49:16.400 --> 1:49:20.280 lot of talk about Folk was handling kickoffs when Jake 1:49:20.280 --> 1:49:22.600 Bailey got hurt in it. I mean, it's fatigue on 1:49:22.640 --> 1:49:25.080 its leg. It was fatigue that happens. I know people think, oh, 1:49:25.080 --> 1:49:27.320 it's like seven kicks a game. You're putting a lot 1:49:27.320 --> 1:49:28.719 into it when it's hitting those. 1:49:28.680 --> 1:49:30.840 Kickofs, squatting your max or something. 1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:34.200 Right, So if the planet and I don't get why 1:49:34.200 --> 1:49:36.240 the punters aren't involved in kickoss, maybe they will be 1:49:36.280 --> 1:49:38.400 further down the road. But if the plan is to 1:49:38.439 --> 1:49:41.760 have whoever is the kicker handle kickoffs, it has to 1:49:41.760 --> 1:49:44.160 be Ryland. It has to be Ryland at that point. 1:49:44.280 --> 1:49:48.120 So Bill was asked about keeping three kickers. Didn't shoot 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:49.920 it down. They didn't do it at times last year. 1:49:50.360 --> 1:49:53.240 Two kickers three Yeah, especially maybe Nick Folk goes to 1:49:53.280 --> 1:49:55.280 the practice squad gets elevated for field goals, but you 1:49:55.320 --> 1:49:58.800 can't do that all year. So I think that's definitively Ryley, 1:49:58.920 --> 1:49:59.840 do you want to go on the kickers? 1:49:59.840 --> 1:50:02.479 And yeah, I'm not ready to like completely give the 1:50:02.560 --> 1:50:05.639 job to Ryland, but I'm ninety percent of the way there. 1:50:05.720 --> 1:50:09.679 I think that there's it's very very very clear based 1:50:09.680 --> 1:50:12.759 off of the spring that his leg is just it's 1:50:13.040 --> 1:50:15.839 it's a step ahead at Nick Folks. It's younger obviously, 1:50:15.920 --> 1:50:17.880 so that makes sense, you know, he's a younger player 1:50:18.400 --> 1:50:20.559 that he's got a little bit more power at this stage. 1:50:20.560 --> 1:50:25.799 But power on field goals, power on kickoffs obviously really 1:50:26.040 --> 1:50:28.000 out kicks Nick Folk in terms of you know, if 1:50:28.000 --> 1:50:30.640 we're driving a golf ball here, Nick Folks is is 1:50:30.720 --> 1:50:32.080 quite a bit behind. 1:50:32.360 --> 1:50:34.920 And he doesn't really sacrifice anything in terms vacuracy. 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:37.840 So they had them doing a lot of kicks on 1:50:37.880 --> 1:50:40.519 the skinny goal post. Yeah, and he didn't make every 1:50:40.560 --> 1:50:43.559 single one of them, but it felt like every single 1:50:43.560 --> 1:50:46.479 one would have went through the regular goal posts probably 1:50:46.600 --> 1:50:50.760 and are close to it. And the most more importantly, 1:50:51.880 --> 1:50:54.120 he has control of the football right like it's not 1:50:54.360 --> 1:50:58.240 a Quinn Nordin justin Rollerroser situation where he's hitting the 1:50:58.760 --> 1:51:01.360 porter potties in the back the practice field you can 1:51:01.400 --> 1:51:03.880 tell that he knows where it's going on top of 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:07.120 the little bit more range that he has on field 1:51:07.120 --> 1:51:09.679 goals too. So I find it, You know, Nick Folk 1:51:09.760 --> 1:51:12.439 really saved them at a time where they were in 1:51:12.520 --> 1:51:15.439 desperate need of a kicker. But I find it hard 1:51:15.439 --> 1:51:17.479 to believe that he's going to beat out Ryland. 1:51:17.600 --> 1:51:21.960 Yeah, punter Corlis Weightman looked good. Yeah, he looked a 1:51:21.960 --> 1:51:24.280 lot better than I expect me. He he led the 1:51:24.360 --> 1:51:26.880 league in punts last year with the Broncos, but most 1:51:26.880 --> 1:51:30.040 of his metrics, I twenties touchbacks that average, things like 1:51:30.080 --> 1:51:31.479 that were bottom third of the league. 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:33.600 Yeah. 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:36.400 I didn't see him, and it's really hard like to 1:51:36.439 --> 1:51:38.040 spin on the ball to pick up on TV. Kind 1:51:38.080 --> 1:51:39.720 of have to see in person. Didn't see him last year, 1:51:39.760 --> 1:51:42.439 but I did not expect, given what his kicks looked 1:51:42.439 --> 1:51:45.280 like last year, to have the rotation they did. Bryce 1:51:45.320 --> 1:51:47.280 Bearinger was limited. It sounded like he was dealing with 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:50.080 some sort of medical thing. Yeah, we'll see what happens there. 1:51:50.200 --> 1:51:52.200 He's also a six round pick. He's maybe a guy 1:51:52.200 --> 1:51:53.800 that can get on the practice squad. I don't think 1:51:53.800 --> 1:51:56.920 he's as much of a lock it's Weightman right now. 1:51:56.920 --> 1:51:59.240 There's still a lot of time for things to change, obviously, 1:51:59.320 --> 1:52:02.840 but you're I would I'm a wait and see guy, 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:05.000 because I still think it could be either one. But 1:52:05.720 --> 1:52:08.040 I if they had a pick today, if they had 1:52:08.040 --> 1:52:10.519 a play game today and it's fourth down, I'm sending 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:11.320 out Cortless Weightman. 1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:13.880 So what were your hang times on both of them? 1:52:14.080 --> 1:52:15.559 You don't have to rattle off all of them. 1:52:15.800 --> 1:52:17.800 I still need to average them out because. 1:52:17.640 --> 1:52:20.400 It felt to me and I wasn't clocking them quite 1:52:20.400 --> 1:52:24.120 as closely as you were. But I thought that that 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:28.240 Baringer had a little bit more height on the ball sometimes. 1:52:28.600 --> 1:52:33.879 Baringer probably Bearinger probably had the higher average, but Weightment 1:52:33.920 --> 1:52:36.680 was a lot more consistent. Baringer had one period where 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:38.519 I think like three of his five punts were all 1:52:38.560 --> 1:52:42.000 five seconds, but the other two were under four, whereas 1:52:42.040 --> 1:52:45.200 Weightman was pretty steadily like in that four to two 1:52:45.200 --> 1:52:48.840 to four to four range, which isn't incredible. But again 1:52:48.880 --> 1:52:50.639 I remind everybody of this, This is why they run 1:52:50.680 --> 1:52:52.760 the forty yard dash, to see if you can get 1:52:52.760 --> 1:52:55.080 downfield and cover punt in time. That is the actual 1:52:55.120 --> 1:52:58.200 intent of the forty yard dash, why that troll was implemented. 1:52:58.200 --> 1:52:58.880 At the combine. 1:52:59.040 --> 1:53:01.120 So yeah, if your kick them balld like four three 1:53:01.160 --> 1:53:04.880 four four, it could be a little better. But you're 1:53:04.920 --> 1:53:05.759 in okay shape. 1:53:06.600 --> 1:53:10.960 All right, Well, I'm surprised. I'm surprised you're you're You're 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:13.439 on Weightman a little bit. Obviously, I'm watching it in time. 1:53:13.479 --> 1:53:15.800 It is quite there's there's still time there. There's still 1:53:15.800 --> 1:53:17.960 time for things to change, still time for things to change. 1:53:18.000 --> 1:53:19.720 But and I just read as I said for it, 1:53:19.800 --> 1:53:22.120 it was like four four four five like that range, 1:53:22.160 --> 1:53:22.680 not four two. 1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:25.240 Yeah that I was I was thinking of like the 1:53:25.320 --> 1:53:27.880 slower because again Baringer was like five two or four 1:53:27.920 --> 1:53:30.720 two five to or four two. Weightman was like four 1:53:30.840 --> 1:53:32.800 five four six four five four six, So like he 1:53:32.840 --> 1:53:35.200 didn't he didn't have that many five second punts. But 1:53:36.320 --> 1:53:39.200 I okay, so it's not that big of a deal 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:39.360 to me. 1:53:40.280 --> 1:53:42.839 Right now, just to chalk it up, Yeah, it's basically 1:53:44.080 --> 1:53:48.439 Weightman more consistent Bearinger. Maybe a little bit of a 1:53:48.520 --> 1:53:51.639 higher ceiling, right, just you know, a little bit bigger. Yeah, yeah, 1:53:51.640 --> 1:53:52.680 that's not what's pretty much. 1:53:52.920 --> 1:53:55.599 And the one other special teams note I'd add, Yeah, 1:53:55.920 --> 1:53:58.360 if we're doing the the who's the UDFA that extends it. 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:00.840 I think Jordan heat Like has a chance to make Yeah, 1:54:00.840 --> 1:54:01.680 they like him. 1:54:01.680 --> 1:54:04.080 He got one on one reps with Slater. I like 1:54:04.160 --> 1:54:06.280 that he's a true special teamer. He only played forty 1:54:06.280 --> 1:54:09.800 snaps at linebacker in college. That there's obviously a learning 1:54:09.840 --> 1:54:12.040 curve for any player. But I think that probably lessens 1:54:12.080 --> 1:54:14.240 it a little bit because like a guy like DeMarcus 1:54:14.240 --> 1:54:16.519 Mitchell last year obviously proved to be a good special teamer, 1:54:17.000 --> 1:54:18.880 but he was a full time defensive end in college. 1:54:18.920 --> 1:54:21.559 He didn't have the special team's experience that a guy 1:54:21.600 --> 1:54:23.479 like Jordan Helig does. It's kind of a rare player. 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:26.679 You don't see true coverage guys at the college level 1:54:26.680 --> 1:54:29.040 that often. So Matthew Slayers. 1:54:29.040 --> 1:54:32.280 I think makes it still. Ye, Slater obviously makes it still. 1:54:32.720 --> 1:54:34.640 Cody Davis has been limited, you know, he had that 1:54:34.680 --> 1:54:35.200 bad injury. 1:54:35.240 --> 1:54:37.600 So I had Cody Davis off because him and Heli 1:54:37.920 --> 1:54:40.480 probably play similar positions too, So maybe. 1:54:40.400 --> 1:54:43.120 It could be Cody Davis that that missus out. I 1:54:43.160 --> 1:54:45.520 have DeMarcus Mitchell off right now too. I just think 1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:49.200 that they're too crowded there and if they like Helig, 1:54:49.200 --> 1:54:52.120 then it probably pushes him off even more. All Right, 1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:55.760 So that was a cool two hours of Minnie Camp recap. 1:54:55.840 --> 1:54:58.600 I love it. Thanks to Marine in the booth for 1:54:59.320 --> 1:55:02.960 not fallowing us sleep on us over there, and we're 1:55:03.000 --> 1:55:06.440 gonna be back next week. Obviously we're on DeAndre Hopkins 1:55:06.560 --> 1:55:09.120 watch right now, but maybe we'll have some more just 1:55:09.240 --> 1:55:11.560 kind of sit on it and percolate a little bit 1:55:11.600 --> 1:55:14.520 on Mini camp as well. But Patriots are off until 1:55:14.520 --> 1:55:17.120 the end of July. Well be uh no, I don't 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:19.520 think we've a formally announced training camp date, so I'm 1:55:19.560 --> 1:55:22.480 not gonna say it, but end of July is a 1:55:22.520 --> 1:55:25.160 training camp, so a little bit of a dead period here, 1:55:25.160 --> 1:55:27.240 but we're gonna be here every single week, still talking 1:55:27.280 --> 1:55:31.440 Patriots Rolister. 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