1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by Power. 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Barat Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: I just want to see him punch an offensive lineman him. Now, 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: that's all I want to see him doing. Have him 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: line up across from the other guy and just come 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: out of that seat because he, like you said, the 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: way he comes out of that stance, just bull rush 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: that other guy till he can't handle it, because that 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: is going to be a long day for whoever is 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: lining up off. 14 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, who are you even talking about? 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: Keon White? It was metaphorically speaking. 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: Man, But you want to see him punch of guys. 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted we saw you saw how big powerful he. 18 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: I just want to seem over power lineman. 19 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: He's a big guy. We'll get to Minnie Camp and 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: all of our takeaways. We're gonna as we do, We're 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: gonna rattle off position by a position as fast as 22 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: and as a fly as we can. So you know, 23 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: Marine strap In, It's gonna be be a little while. 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: But I have two takes off the top of the show, 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: Alex barth Evan Lazar Patriots Catch twenty two with you, 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: probably for the next hour and thirty. I would say, 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: but like I just said, we're not usually very efficient 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: when we go position by a position and run through 29 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: the entire roster like we like to do. But first 30 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: things first, right off the top, if you see us 31 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: on video on YouTube, thank you for watching us on 32 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: on YouTube. You can leave comments things like that, we 33 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: love those. If you see us looking down at our 34 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: phones constantly throughout the entire show, then you all know 35 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: what Because DeAndre Hopkins is he's somewhere in this building 36 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: right now that we're taping this podcast in I had. 37 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Unless they took him out for lunch. It's a little 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: it's a little late for lunch. I forgot. I don't 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: have a normal dining. 40 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: So this is this is no joke, no cap right now, 41 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: Oh don't know. I had. You're thirty a dream, You're okay, 42 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: but say, no joke. This is actually true. I had 43 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: a dream, Alex that I was the reason why the 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: Patriots did not sign DeAndre Hopkins, that it was my fault. 45 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: So I've spent the entire day avoiding the football department 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: side of things here at the office, like the place. 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, what did you do? 48 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: I bumped into him and I and I fan boyd 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 2: and then he got onto a podcast and he was like, yeah, 50 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: there was like this really nerdy kid that like was 51 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: all like fanboy and stuff like that, and it just 52 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: rubbed me the wrong way. It was bad vibes, and 53 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: I just I just liked the vibe in Tennessee better. 54 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 2: And I was like, everyone's gonna know that's me. I do. 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: So that's that's not unrealist, not unrealistic. So I've been 56 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: keeping my distance. I don't want to I don't want 57 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: to see him. Don't ask me for pictures, don't ask 58 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: me to stick it out. I'm not doing it. So 59 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: we'll be on DeAndre Hopkins watch I think for right now, 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: it's only two o'clock. So I don't everybody calm down, 61 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 2: like the fact that we have no news does I 62 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: mean anything yet? Yeah. The report started trickling out of 63 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: Tennessee around four four thirty. I would say on Monday, 64 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: go we can go find it directly that you know, 65 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: good visit, but we're we're gonna keep in touch, but 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: no no deal imminent or whatever. So we still got 67 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: a couple more hours, but we're on Hopkins watch here, 68 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: as is all of New England as we Is it. 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: Bad that I think we're gonna get the same tweet today? 70 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: Not that that's what I want. 71 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm very I think I've made it very clear how 72 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: I feel about it. 73 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: But no, no, I think that that's very valid and 74 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: very possible. 75 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Because all right, so hang on, Diana Russini tweeted at 76 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: six twenty three pm. That's like on what was that 77 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: on Monday? Yeah, six twenty three pm. But remember Tennessee 78 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: is an hour behind. 79 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they are. I think you're right. 80 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I don't actually know if that matters or not, but 81 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: uh so six twenty three. And then Jordan Schultz was 82 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: the other one. He tweets a lot. 83 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to scroll here. Yeah right, No, he 84 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: hed it to me, so I got this one, uh 85 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: successful visit with the Titans. So his two he was 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: also at six. So we're ways away. So maybe here 87 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: it's five. If that, If that our time difference clock 88 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: is horrible, but maybe that that's the case. Regardless, the 89 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: overall point is is that no news means nothing at 90 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: two o'clock in the afternoon. We got a couple of 91 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: hours to go before we can really hope to hear something. 92 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: I would even say if we get no news today, yeah, 93 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: that's very good. That's a very good sign. If we 94 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: don't get the I and honestly so I think we're 95 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: getting the around dinner time. Yeah, good visit. He's left 96 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: the building. It was a good visit. But he's gonna 97 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: continue explorers options might take more visits. Ian Rappaport said yesterday, 98 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: but he doesn't want to sign till camp. There's really 99 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: no incentive for him to do it. The Patriots have 100 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: to give him the reason to sign before training camp. 101 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: That being set, so I think is gonna happen. That 102 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: is what I think is going to happen. If we 103 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: get nothing today. 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: They're negotiating. Then there there. 105 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say negotiating finalizing. If we get nothing today, 106 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: they're they're waiting for me to get in the T 107 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: box Saturday afternoon on my golf trip to announce it. 108 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: I just know it. I just know it. Or on Monday, 109 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: which is technically a craft group holiday. Thank you mister 110 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: mister Kraft for Juneteenth. So that's gonna happen. Too. But 111 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: I here's my quick thing on d hop because I 112 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: do want to spend most of the show on any camps. 113 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: But sorry, just just to re reiterate that point, just 114 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: to close the point, no news is good news for 115 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: the next like two or three days, and then it 116 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: gets a little worry. 117 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: So here here's my over arching thing with d Hop. 118 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: I I have been all in on this to begin with. 119 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: I I see no reason at this point to to 120 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 2: not just put the bag on the table and and 121 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: and make this happen. I really don't. I I don't. 122 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: I understand that there's always always the fear of the 123 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: dark horse, the always the fear of the team coming 124 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: out of nowhere and and swooping in at the last 125 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: minute like that. 126 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: Which, by the way, I have my team for that 127 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: which we can go to. 128 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 2: But there's always that fear. I don't read this situation 129 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: quite the same because he's been available since March, right 130 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: like he so all the teams that have had interest 131 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: in him or whether it's trade interest or now interests 132 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: as a free agent. He has been available for months. 133 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: So this is not like a situation where like all 134 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: of a sudden, DeAndre Hopkins is available and nobody saw 135 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: this coming. Like, we've all known that DeAndre Hopkins can 136 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: be had, whether it was via trade or now via 137 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: free agency. So if all of a sudden a team 138 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: comes out of nowhere at this stage, I just I 139 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: don't see it. I there were no major wide receiver 140 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: injuries in mini camps or OTAs, like. It wasn't like 141 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: one of the contenders lost their their number one or 142 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: number two guide to a torn acl thank god, in 143 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: the middle of June, right because I hate when that happens. 144 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: So I don't one of the Saints draft picks towards 145 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: ac on the last play of OTA. 146 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's brutal. I don't see it. I 147 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: think that Hopkins knows who his suitors are. His suitors 148 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: have reached out. I think they've been in touched probably 149 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: for months at this point, So I don't see it. 150 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: We all want him here. The Patriots should want him here. 151 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: I think the Patriots do want him here, otherwise he 152 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't be on this visit. Who's your dark horse? 153 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: So this isn't based on anything. I haven't heard anything. 154 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: This is just objectively looking at things. I was going 155 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: back through because when they said he might take more visits. Right, 156 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: all right, we kind of heard the Texans might be 157 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: a team. I know they said the Browns are out, 158 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: but like, yeah, they could get back in maybe, who knows. 159 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: I know some people talked about the Cowboys, the Bills, 160 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Don't have the money. So I'm going back 161 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: through it, like, all right, what teams did we not 162 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: cover that would make sense? Why are the Jacksonville Jaguars 163 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: not all over this? 164 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 165 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: They have a ton of money. They don't really have 166 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: that true number one. I mean, Kirk had a great 167 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: year for them, Yeah, but he's not that kind of 168 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver. 169 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: And they also got Calvin Ridley back, and. 170 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: They have the court. It's it's the same thing as 171 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: the Patriots. You have the quarterback on the rookie deal capitalized. 172 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I still think it's a possibility. 173 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: But I've heard nothing about them. 174 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: Don't think it's obviously really good player when his when. 175 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: He's also doesn't play here. 176 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: I mean you don't know. Yeah, all right, so that 177 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: that's where things stand with Hopkins. I didn't think of Jacksonville. 178 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: That's a good one. I think that there. To me, 179 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: it's just like you know the Rappaport thing about how 180 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: we could wait the training camp to see if a 181 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: true contender like a Kansas City or a Buffalo don't 182 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: say it, you know Buffalo, Buffalo, Kansas City, you know, 183 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: places like that could swoop in. 184 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: Can I give you one thought on Buffalo on it 185 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. 186 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: But the main thing is with those teams, yes, they 187 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 2: could figure out come August, Like Kansas City could panic 188 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: and be like, oh god, like our number one receiver 189 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: right now, not outside of Travis Kelsey Sky Moore, right like, 190 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: and it's not good enough. But that doesn't create cap space, 191 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: right like, that doesn't create wiggle room in terms of money. 192 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, that these contenders could recognize or somebody could 193 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: get hurt and that could create a spot. But at 194 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: the end of the day, like, they can't pay him 195 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: anymore than they can pay him now. So I don't 196 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: know if it necessarily does the trick for it completely 197 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: to me that Rapaport report yesterday, I think you agree, 198 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 2: Alex was agent speak for well, just make us a 199 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: great offer, get. 200 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: Us the reason, and not yeah, yeah, what's your Well. 201 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: So here's an interesting one. Rapport was on the pat 202 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: McAfee show. 203 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: This was yesterday. 204 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: No, he was on again like ten minutes ago. Oh, 205 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hot, So I have to listen to the whole thing. 206 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: But I'm just reading the quote they tweeted out. DeAndre 207 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: Hawkins is still on his New England visit, which is interesting. 208 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: It makes sense to me for d Hot to wait. 209 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: But if the Patriots come in with the right number 210 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: and he's there, anything is possible. So maybe uh thing 211 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: on the bills. And this is not even Evan, it's 212 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: not a Bill's hater take for me, this is a 213 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: legitimate take. We know that there's so thing going on 214 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: with Stefan Diggs. We don't know what it is, but 215 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: the rumblings are it might be contract related. Oh really, 216 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's been a couple different rumors, but that 217 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: one's that. That's one that's been floated. He doesn't have 218 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: his contracts big, but not a lot of it's guaranteed. 219 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: And well, if he plays, he'll probably hit those numbers. 220 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: He wants to take care of himself, which he has 221 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: all the right to do. If your star wide receiver's 222 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: mad because you're not giving him enough money and you 223 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: turn around and give that money to another wide receiver. 224 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: That's a mistake. 225 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, so especially for a thirty one year 226 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: old DeAndre hops Right, we're both very high on but 227 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: is not ranks. 228 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: Like you could see how that Rubs digs the wrong way. 229 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: Now it's snowballing. And this is not me saying this, 230 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: this was Josh Allen said this. They cannot be who 231 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: they are offensively without Stefan Diggs. Yeah, he's the guy 232 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: that makes it. So that's why I rule out the 233 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: bills because if it is a financial thing with Diggs, 234 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: it would be monumentally stupid of them to pay Hawkins. 235 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: Unless Hawkins. If it's a thing where Hopkins is coming 236 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: for a million dollars, that changes things. But I really 237 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: don't think that's what's happening now. 238 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: Quickly on Diggs and then we're really gonna get into 239 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: mini camp. Star wide receivers and we know this in 240 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: New England because we experienced it with Randy Moss. Star 241 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: wide receivers have a shelf life. They all do. Whether 242 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: it's Randy Moss into the Patriots t o at all 243 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: of his various stops. Like for the most part, those 244 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: types of like diva wide receiver types eventually they outwear 245 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: they're welcome as good as they are on the field, 246 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: like Tyreek Hill in Kansas City, right, Like, eventually it 247 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: comes to a head. If you're a Patriots fan and 248 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: you like to to hope for other people's demises, like 249 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: like I think I do. I don't know about you, 250 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: but I'm totally okay with it falling apart in Buffalo. 251 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: That's totally fine with me. If you want to think 252 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: like that, that's the angle to me. I don't know. 253 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 2: But if it's necessarily about money, certainly money all makes 254 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: everybody happier. But I think it's I think Diggs is 255 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: growing impatient with the lack of winning. And I say winning, 256 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: I mean playoff winning, right, like actually winning, not not 257 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: Buffalo winning. 258 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, but I was told by all the Bills fans 259 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: all this regular season wins meant so much, so. 260 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: I said, not Buffalo winning, like when the afcast when 261 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 2: the Patriots are rebuilding, and yeah, okay. Wide receivers like that. 262 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: They they tend to get antsy, they tend to get disgruntled, 263 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: they tend to get malcontent. Ye when they're not getting 264 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: something that they want, it can't It might be money 265 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: for digs. It can't be production like he's he's an 266 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: all appropriate. 267 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I keep saying that, people saying like, oh, they 268 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: need to get him the ball more? How much more? 269 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 2: Are you? Right? No, it can't be that. I think 270 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: it has to come down. It comes down to whatever 271 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: went down that week ahead of the Bengals playoff game, 272 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: and then the Bengals playoff game itself. I think he 273 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: felt like like they let go of the rope, right, 274 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 2: like you know that, and to him, I think at 275 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: this stage it's unacceptable to not be fully locked in. 276 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: So I'm ready for Buffalo to fall apart. I'm good 277 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: with that. But let's talk about the team here locally 278 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: and talk about the Patriots. Here's my big takeaway for 279 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: Minnie Camp and I'm curious to get your big picture 280 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: takeaway and then we'll get into the nitty gritty. And 281 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: I said this on PU and it's a little bit 282 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: of a repeat if you heard there. But my big 283 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: thing is with the Patriots right now is that I 284 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 2: feel like they now have the coaching chops and they 285 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: now have the roster to be a competitive football team 286 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: that is in most games. The question that I have 287 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: with them is are they going to have the high 288 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: end talent against the other good teams that they're gonna 289 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: play this year, the other playoff caliber rosters that when 290 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 2: the chips are down, they make the plays late in 291 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter and they win those football games. Right, Like, 292 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: are they going to win that Cincinnati game last year? 293 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: That one always comes back to me, just because they 294 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 2: had all the momentum and they fumble at the ten 295 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: yard line and they lose the game. Are they gonna 296 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: win games like that now? Are they gonna win some 297 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: games that are higher scoring? Are they gonna have the 298 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: high end talent really offensively? Because I can talk myself 299 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: into the high end talent being there defensively from some 300 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: of the younger players like the last couple draft classes. 301 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: But offensively, I think that they're gonna be competent. I 302 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: think that they're headed in the right direction. I think 303 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: that there's a lot of there's a roadmap to where 304 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: they're going schematically, how it all connects schematically, Like when 305 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: we see different pockets of practice, you can see all, right, 306 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: they're doing this now to build it off of that, 307 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: and you can you can see all of it coming 308 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: together and see where where we're headed. There's a lot 309 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: of instances, you know, that were different from last year 310 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: in these practices, Like, okay, it's third down, the defensive 311 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: comes to line scrimmage, got seven guys up on the 312 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. They're they're showing all out pressure. They're 313 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: showing the zero blitz. How are we blocking it? Where 314 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: are my hots? What are my receivers doing? Where do 315 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: I go to escape the pressure? Right? If we're gonna 316 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: block it and we're gonna slide it this way, then 317 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: that means the free runner is where? 318 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: Right? 319 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: Like, what's the problem solving going on? Prestap and the 320 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: play that I keep going back to. I believe it 321 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: was on a day one in mini camp. It might 322 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: have been that Friday practice. Those two kind of blended 323 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: together for me. They all blend together at this point. 324 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: They they showed that all out pressure. Look, Mac made 325 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: some adjustments at the line of scrimmage. You know, God 326 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: is his blockers in order and made sure everybody knew 327 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: who was blocking who made a signal out to the receivers, 328 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: and he hit Kendrick Bourne on like a five yard 329 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: slant for a big play against the pressure. Yep, to 330 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: do that be doing that already in the spring. They 331 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: didn't do that at all last year, Like that never 332 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: happened even in the regular season, right, they know, Okay, 333 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: they're bringing pressure. What's my answer? Like, what what's my 334 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: solve here? And they already have some of that going on, 335 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: which is really really good. But I still come back 336 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: to do they have enough high end talent to put 337 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: them over the top, Like, and I'm not just talking 338 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: about receivers. I'm also talking about tackle and I'm also 339 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: talking about the quarterback. And ultimately that's what it comes 340 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: down to is third and six. You know, take away 341 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: the down, two minutes to go three point, you're trailing 342 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: by three, Like, can you put the drive together? Can 343 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: you march down the field? Can you finish the game? 344 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: Can the defense get off the field and present that 345 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: opportunity for the offense? Like those are the types of 346 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: things that I'm still not one hundred percent short because 347 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: the two Bills. I think I'm gonna start calling them that. 348 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: No, because it's already. 349 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: Thanks that I know, but it's like it's so much easier, but. 350 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: It has such a different connotation calling Bill and Bill. 351 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: Bill and Bill can do all the smoke and mirrors. 352 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: They can do all the scheming, they can do all 353 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: the game planning, they can do all the disguising defensively, 354 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: and motion and RPO and this and that offensively. At 355 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's gonna be our best 356 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: against your best, and is the Patriots best gonna be 357 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 2: good enough? And I'm not talking about good enough against 358 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: like the Commanders, right, We're talking about good enough against 359 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: Philly and Week one Buffalo Miami, assuming Tua is healthy. Now, 360 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: the Jets with Aaron Rodgers and I still have some 361 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: serious doubts about whether or not they have enough in 362 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: that department. There's a couple of sources where that can 363 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: come from. One, the quarterback takes a big leap forward, 364 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 2: right If mac Jones is a much much improved passer 365 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: and playmaker, then maybe that that propels them forward. The 366 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 2: other one is obviously the one that we just spent 367 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes talking about, right, and that's DeAndre Hopkins coming here. 368 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 2: But internally, your veteran receivers, like I'm impressed by Gisiki. 369 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: I to talk about him positively when we get to 370 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: the tight ends or whatever you want to call him, 371 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: they're kind of known commodities, right, Like you know, as 372 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: much as Mikasiki I think is a really is a 373 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: good football player. Mikasiki is not going for fourteen hundred yards, right, Like, 374 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: we know who Mikeasiki is at his best. 375 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Clip it, clip it. Evan says, Mike is sick. He's 376 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: not going for fourteen hundred yard. 377 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: You we know at his best, he's a seven hundred 378 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: yard guy, right, we know at at his best that 379 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: Juju is probably what he was last year in Kansas City. 380 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: He's he could. 381 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just on volume. Juju could get to a 382 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: thousand yards, Okay. 383 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: But we're capped, right, And I don't mean it in 384 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 2: the other way. I mean like there's a ceiling to 385 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: all of this there there. 386 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And by the way, what'd you say, a sickie's 387 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: I think eight hundred seven hundred right in Miami, like seven. 388 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: Hundred eighty and twenty twenty one. Yeah, So that's a 389 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: ceiling that that was his best. 390 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: Yea, that's a fair that's that's a fair one, right. 391 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: And so I just don't I don't know where the 392 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: needle mover comes. And that's exactly how I felt going. 393 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: So I think in a lot of ways, and if 394 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: you want to spin it positively, Mini camp and OTA's 395 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: confirmed all of my priors right like, in a good way. 396 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 2: They're a competent offense, they're being well coached again, they're together, 397 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: they have a plan that we can see coming together 398 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: that will hopefully come together by the end of August. 399 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: And defensively, they've got all sorts of options and talent 400 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: and versatility and a lot of fun on that side 401 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: of the ball. And I'm bullish on the defense, and 402 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a second. But I still 403 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: just feel like offensively, I can't get to that point 404 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: where I feel like, really really excited about this group. 405 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be fine. I think they're gonna 406 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: be good, but I'm still just not not sure that 407 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 2: they're gonna be where they truly need to be in 408 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: a lot of the ways. You know, those clutch plays, 409 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: those fourth quarters, the ability to win a game thirty 410 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: eight to thirty five, right Like, that's the difference between 411 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: seven wins and ten in this league is a couple 412 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: of games going your way that maybe you expected to 413 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 2: not go your way. Finishing and closing out games late, 414 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: like not having what happened against Cincinnati, not having what 415 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 2: happened against Vegas, Like, that's the difference between being in 416 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 2: the playoffs and not being in the playoffs, and that 417 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: margin is still there for this team. 418 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. Well, I think a lot 419 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: of that was coaching, and the idea is that they've 420 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: rounded themselves out on the margins a little bit and 421 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: they can be better in those situations. My big takeaway 422 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: was kind of the same as yours, is the Bill 423 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: O'Brien effect is real, and I don't know that he 424 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: fixes everything. And I still have one major concern about 425 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: the offense. We'll get into there's some other like minor ones, 426 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: but I have one major concern about the offense. But 427 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: in so many facets, Bill O'Brien has turned around this 428 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: offensive operation. I mean, just big picture, the operation itself. 429 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: They didn't have to stop practice, they have to repeat 430 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: things they didn't like. They it was a normal Mac 431 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: Jones were normal. It's a normal NFL practice on the 432 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. Speaking of mac Jones, he 433 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: is the quarterback. There is no competition. They're not screwing 434 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: around giving Bailey's appy reps. They are getting mac Jones 435 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: ready for the season as they should, which we talked 436 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: about whatever it was a week ago, two weeks ago 437 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: when we previewed spring practices. Mac Jones is the guy. 438 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: This team's ceiling is at its tiest with Mac Jones 439 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: a quarterback. You can't waste time getting two guys ready 440 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: for the season. It needs to be mac Jones getting ready. 441 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: That's what they're doing. That feels like an O'Brien decision 442 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: based on some of the things Bill said in the offseason. 443 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: Well, I can't imagine O'Brien's here to coach Bailey's appy, right, 444 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 2: no offense to Bailey's appy. 445 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: But we aren't surprised. We were trying to tell everybody else, 446 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: and it's so funny. People from other markets are like, 447 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: why are you reporting there's no quarterback competition? 448 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: Of course there's not. 449 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: Come here and listen. And then there's the actual offense 450 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: part of it and the things they're doing offensively, the motion, 451 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: the concepts, the personnel groupings, the spacing, the rap combinations, 452 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: all of it that just look right to look right. 453 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: And it's not just a good offense. It's built on 454 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: mac Jones's skill set. And I don't even think Bill's. 455 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: Just like, how much of a difference does that make 456 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: is the real question. 457 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: I think a good amount, not the Super Bowl contender. 458 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: Amount, but back in the playoffs. 459 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Let's yeah, let's put it this way. The offense they 460 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: were running last year could not have been forget the 461 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: whole thing with Patricia and he'd never coached office tour. 462 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: Just schematically, what they were trying to do, the concepts 463 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: they were trying to execute could not both pre and 464 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: post snap could not have been less of a fit 465 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: for mac Jones's skills set. They took all of mac 466 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: Jones's weaknesses, yes, his weaknesses. They took all of mac 467 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Jones's weaknesses, and they put them front and center. What 468 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: O'Brien is doing. And by the way, I don't think 469 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: this is Bill O'Brien reinventing himself. I really don't. I 470 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: think what he traditionally values and emphasizes to me lines 471 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: up with what Max Jones does. 472 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: To me, what they did the spring offensively, if you 473 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: went and turned on Alabama's tape last year. 474 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: It's so I'm getting to that, literally the exact same thing. 475 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: But it just so happens that all of the things 476 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien emphasizes in an offense are Max Jones' strength. 477 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: We've seen quarterbacks go from maybe like a neutral offense 478 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: to an offensive system. They're great. And when's the last 479 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: time you can think of a quarterback like a guy 480 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: that actually, you know, was the starter from week one? 481 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeaha yaha, YadA. Yeah. 482 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: When's the last time you think of a quarterback anywhere 483 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: in the league that played in an offense that played 484 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: to his weaknesses as much as the Patriots offense played 485 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: to Mac jones weaknesses last year. I say that not 486 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: expecting an answer. 487 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was interesting about it, though, is that 488 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: they thought that they were playing to his strains like 489 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 2: they they I think they genuinely thought that he could 490 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: air it out like he was doing it. 491 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: He wasn't going to like that wasn't gonna happen. 492 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: That's not saying like I don't want I don't think 493 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 2: that they purposely went. 494 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: In I okay, so yeah, let me. I don't think 495 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: they went out there saying let's make Mac Jones look terrible. 496 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: I think they misunderstood fundamentally why Mac Jones was as 497 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: successful Alabama as he was. The airing it out is 498 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: a perfect example. And people, I'm the one who pushes 499 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: back on this when people say Mac Jones doesn't have 500 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: a big arm, he can't throw down the field. He 501 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: can in certain concepts, he's not. You said this a 502 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: lot last year. They're trying to turn him in to 503 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: Jameis Winston right that it's not for verts just hucking 504 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: down the field. It's slot seems RPOs things like that, 505 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: which they didn't do last year, which Jeff Howe had 506 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: the report on. I think it was yesterday that there 507 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: are Alabama elements I get starting to make their way 508 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: into the playbook. 509 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: I think it is the Alabama playbook. Yeah, bill O'Brien's alibi, 510 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: not Sarkisian's full. 511 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: But no, but that remember the whole thing about when 512 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien got there, When Sark took the job at 513 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: Texas and Bill O'Brien got there, they had Mac Jones 514 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: teach Bill O'Brien Sark's playbook because Nick Saban said it 515 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: might have been more than not. Nick Saban didn't want 516 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: to change the offense. 517 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: But no, I think that's that's so valid. But I 518 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: think a lot of what we saw last year at 519 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: Alabama was a ton of Bill O'Brien. 520 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: Okay, but but there are things now. There was nothing 521 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: in the playbook last year that mac chos was running 522 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: at Alabama. 523 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: Some of their vertical concepts might have been out. 524 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: There was very little in the playbook last year of 525 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: what mak chose was running out. 526 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: Dinky RPO screens that they tried to do like twenty times. 527 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Very little. Yeah, this year it is going to be 528 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: can I say the heavy majority? 529 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. I mean we'll see what the 530 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: run game is like. You know, these are passing camps, 531 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: so we haven't really seen I don't think we know 532 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: enough yet to glean Is this going to be like 533 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: you know the McDaniel SCARNECKI Gap Downhill power scheme run 534 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: game or we go? And I think there's still too 535 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: much minutia there once the pads come on to really decide. 536 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: But passing wise, yeah, you saw a lot of that, 537 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: and I think you know, obviously we've all talked about 538 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: it a lot as the two tight ends, and I 539 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 2: think a lot of that was because of availability. You know, 540 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 2: they just didn't Juju wasn't out there, Taekwon wasn't out there. 541 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 2: So who's gonna be Who's gonna catch passes? Right? You're 542 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: gonna have to. So they worked a lot on the 543 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: twelve personnel and the two tight ends, and a lot 544 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: of that was O'Brien stuff. 545 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: Right, So all right, you want you want a little 546 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: Hopkins UPTHINGH What do we got? H? 547 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: So this is someone reel or is this like? 548 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: No? 549 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: This is more McAfee show. So i'm not because we're 550 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 1: on the air, I can't listen to the to the quote, 551 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: but I'm reading the quote that was typed out here 552 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: Pacman Jones, who is friends with Hawkins and he's dropped 553 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: some nuggets before on the Pat McFee show. Today, I 554 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: don't think Hawkins leaves there. I don't think he leaves 555 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: without a deal. Okay, hang, you talk a little bit. 556 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to full quote. You talk a little bit, 557 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: all right, I'll report pack. 558 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: Okay. So while I was doing that, I do want 559 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: to segue. We're talking a lot about the offense and 560 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: the scheme of the big picture. I think you guys 561 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: got the general idea of this, as we like to 562 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: call it on on this program, the alabamafication of the 563 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: Patriots offense. I definitely think that that's in full force. 564 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about the quarterback 565 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 2: himself though, and Mac Joe and what we saw out there. 566 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: I think the two the two positives out so I 567 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: saw out of Mac and as he's got the phone 568 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: to the ear right now, this is this is his 569 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: next level. H The two things that I saw that 570 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: were positive I mentioned are already was the command at 571 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage right and in adability to make 572 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 2: adjustments and get teams out of get them out of 573 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: bad plays and block up blitzes and makose types of 574 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: adjustments that are all necessary. And he actually mentioned after 575 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 2: one of the practices in his press conference that there's 576 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 2: a lot on the quarterback in this system, but he 577 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: feels like it's good because he has all the tools 578 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: necessary to make the checks and make the calls and 579 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 2: make the adjustments at the line. I think that's a 580 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 2: good thing. I think you and this goes back to 581 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: playing to max strains. You have to empower Mac Jones 582 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage because his brain and what's 583 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: between the ears is probably his best asset. And if 584 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,239 Speaker 2: you just call plays in the huddle and then just 585 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: run that play like guys that do that effective are 586 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: like the Lamar Jackson's and the Josh Allens of the world. 587 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: These the physical guys, right that Okay, the play that 588 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 2: we called in the huddle didn't actually work, but I'll 589 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: just make something playground football, right. The Patriots don't have 590 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: that type of guy, so they have to allow Mac 591 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: to get into every single play properly, like and have 592 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: those check with me is have those two plays called. 593 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: You know, they used to do this all the time 594 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: with Brady. They'd have a run play, they have a 595 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: pass play, and based off the front, based off of 596 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: the look the defense, he would say one or two, right, like, 597 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 2: whichever one once he got to the line of scrimmage. 598 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 2: Those things need to happen with Matt Jones as well. 599 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 2: The second thing that I think is really positive, I. 600 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: Just real quick on that. Yeah, And that's why Bill 601 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: O'Brien was the right guy, because Bill O'Brien's offense, this 602 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: is predicated on winning before the statmore after he. 603 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: Got that's huge. The second thing I he was he 604 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: has made and continues to make some really really pretty 605 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: touch throws down the field, right, like the crossing routes 606 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: the scene phades like you talked about. You know, we 607 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: posted one on our on our Twitter to Mike KASICKI, 608 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: that was like one of the plays of the of 609 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: the week. Offensively, he hit Hunter Henry on a crosser, 610 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: just layered it right over Jalen Mills and right into 611 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: the bread basket. Like those types of throws he can 612 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: make extremely well. I think there's two really really good 613 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: things about Mac. He's back on the on the tracks 614 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: right like the train's back on the tracks. And mentally 615 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: he's picking up what Bill O'Brien is putting down, which 616 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: is I think seventy five percent of what they need 617 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 2: from him is to be back to the cerebral rhythm 618 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: based passer right that we know that he can be. 619 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: I think the bigger concern, or the only concern that 620 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: I have with him, is not so much that something 621 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: that he did do or didn't do, and these practices, 622 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: I just I can't get too excited or read too 623 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: much into things until that pass rush is live because 624 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: he's the type of guy that in seven on seven 625 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: Mac drops dimes like he drops dimes. He does does 626 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: like he drops. He had a seven on seven period 627 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 2: on Tuesday where it's you know, high point fade Devonte Parker, 628 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: it's you know seem fade to Mike is SICKI hunter, 629 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: Henry makes the kid, You know what, It's just it's 630 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: his pitch and catch for him. But what's gonna happen? 631 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: And this kind of gets to the tackle thing, But 632 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: what's gonna happen when there's people at his feet, when 633 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: the pocket's collapsing, when he has a free runner coming 634 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: at him and he's got to stare down the barrel. 635 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: I still don't necessarily think that his physical arm talent, 636 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: mobility like, that's gonna be what it is. Like I 637 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: think we can say that now that there might not 638 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: be a huge physical jump for mac Jones where he 639 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: all of a sudden goes from what his arm talent 640 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: is now to having a real live arm like. I 641 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: don't think that that's coming for him because he's in 642 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: great shape. He works with Tom House like, he's doing 643 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: all of it right, and it just is what it is. 644 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: So the question that boils down to is is being 645 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: a step ahead of the defense? Now? Are these things 646 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: gonna be enough for him to improve significantly? And we're 647 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: talking about improving on his rookie year, not improving on 648 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 2: last year, but proving on the rookie year, and that 649 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: still is a question mark to me, is the physical 650 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 2: tools of it all. Because if he has time and 651 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: space in the pocket and it can step into the throw, 652 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: he can drop dives like he can make it happen. 653 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: If he's in a muddy pocket, if he's got guys 654 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: coming at him, if he can't step into the throw 655 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: because there's people at his feet, how is it going 656 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: to look? And you just can't tell in the spring 657 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: when about those types of things. 658 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: And the problem is that, you know, if you want 659 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: to jump ahead here I kind of said before, I 660 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: still think there's one big question in this offense. If 661 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: this offense is undone by something this year, it's not 662 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: gonna be the quarterback. It's not gonna coach, it's not 663 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: gonna be the wide receivers. Yeah, it's gonna be the tackles. 664 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 665 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: Not even like they're fine on the interior Cole Strange, 666 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: David Andrews, Mike go and winning group is solid. 667 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 668 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: I really don't know what they're gonna do with tackle. 669 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they totally know yet. Yeah, And that's 670 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: concerning because of exactly what you just said. 671 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: The best way to throw. 672 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: Mac Drones's office rhythm is to pressure him. Now they 673 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: can offset that with some concepts too, right, quick passes, 674 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: things like that, but at a certain. 675 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: Point, concerns about that, like you don't. So the comparison 676 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: that I keep going back to is remember in Miami 677 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago to a they just had 678 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: a terrible offensive line and they essentially had to be 679 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: like a five yard pass offense. Yeah, they had Jalen 680 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: Waddle in his rookie year catching like eight yard passes right, 681 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: because they just couldn't block it right, and so everything 682 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: became smoking mirrors with that office. Now, that style of 683 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: its actually gave the patron Stephen some trouble, but all 684 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: of it was rpo motion, like everything was happening in 685 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: like a ten yard body. 686 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: But it is that what O'Brien does, So. 687 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: I think so uh, And that's why I like I 688 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: pushed back a little bit on some of the reporting 689 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: out there about all the checkdowns that Mac was throwing. 690 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: Like there's checkdowns and then there's like, you know, just 691 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: running the progression right, and like O'Brien, you know, would 692 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: you call like a juke rout? Did Julian Edelman over 693 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: the middle of checkdown? 694 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: No? But people think it is right, right, So, and 695 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: that's the other part of it. Like you, they're maximizing 696 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: certain guys who I think are better Yack receivers. And 697 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: this is alsoere Hopkins comes in as well. Again, can 698 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: they put You're right, Ma's never going to be a gunslinger, 699 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: but he's far enough along that they can pete put 700 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: the pieces around and and make you work. Yeah, That's 701 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at with it. 702 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: That. 703 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there there's always gonna be questions about pressure. There's 704 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: no quarterback is perfect. There was one perfect quarterback that's 705 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: ever played the game. He just retired a couple months ago. 706 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: That's it. But but I think that with him with 707 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: Brady and not to keep him. You know, I hate 708 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: doing this, but he was able to be pressure with 709 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 2: his release right like he was. So this is my point. 710 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: And if they can get Mack to that point, then 711 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm less concerned. 712 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: So this is my point. We used to do this 713 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: all the time with Brady about him being his own 714 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: best pass protector, right because he get on that back foot, 715 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, get snap back foot, boomed the balls out. 716 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: Everybody members The clip from the twenty eighteen playoffs where 717 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa is like er Nick Bosa's Joey Bosa's I 718 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: always get the mixed up. Joey Bosa is like Chargers, Right, 719 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa is like, can you stop throwing the ball 720 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: so quick? I don't have time to get to you. 721 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: Mac is going to need to do that this year. 722 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: So where he does struggle with pressure and that's harder 723 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: to change. Yeah, and this is where again you bring 724 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien in that whole pre snap element you just 725 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: addressed into it. Can he be calmer when he knows 726 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: the blitz is coming right, right, because if you can 727 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: at least get him to dissect the blitz and throw 728 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: into it quickly. 729 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: Because he just doesn't, right, because he just doesn't have 730 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 2: the He needs to be a step ahead, right, And 731 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: it's not only it's with anticipation too. Yeah, Like he 732 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 2: needs to be he needs to be one of those 733 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: guys that like when the Crossers coming over the middle, 734 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: he hasn't cleared the linebacker yet, but he throws it 735 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 2: on the other side of the linebacker for it throws 736 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: him into the. 737 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: Past, which we think Mac Jones can do. Like, Yeah, 738 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: everything about Mac Jones tells us. That's a step he 739 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: should be able to make there. He wasn't asked to 740 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: really do any of that last year. I know how 741 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: that worked. 742 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: And this is sort of where, you know, I do 743 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: want to talk about Bailey's appy for a second, not 744 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 2: not because it's a competition, but just because he is 745 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: on the football team. This is the one area that 746 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: at times I see Bailey being a little bit ahead 747 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: of mac On and it's more towards the sideline, I 748 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: would say, in the middle of the field. But I 749 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 2: think this is. 750 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: Well because Bailey's appy played in the West Coast in college. 751 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: True West, and I think that this rubs off of 752 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: last year too, is is that there's still maybe a 753 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 2: little bit of doubt or like lack of confidence in 754 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 2: mac Jones at the moment that there's it's early, like 755 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 2: they still got to work that out of him where 756 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 2: he's still a little bit and see it throw it 757 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 2: mode and and he's gotta be in anticipation mode. And 758 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 2: with Bailey, like you do see the ball into the 759 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: sideline especially, I would say, you know, out comebacks like 760 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 2: things like that into the boundary, that it is out 761 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: a little bit sooner, I think at times than Mac. 762 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: But I go, I do this every practice, we watch 763 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 2: every single one, I ask myself when Mac is in there, 764 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 2: then we see Bailey like, what is Zapy better at 765 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: than Mac? 766 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: Like? 767 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: What is he? What? Literally is he better at than Mac? 768 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 2: I will give him that. I think that he throws 769 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: the ball to the sideline better than Mac. I think 770 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: he throws it with a little bit more anticipation and 771 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: a little bit more zip. Other than that, I'm not 772 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: sure that there's really anything. The physical tools are about 773 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 2: the same. I think Mac's actually more accurate throwing down 774 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: the field, like deep balls, like with air under it, 775 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 2: you know, not drive throws, but true deep balls. And 776 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: Zappy I thought that he struggled at times a little 777 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: bit this spring, especially that last day. Yeah, and you know, 778 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, you know, to be like ha ha, 779 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: I told you, like, you know, score one for Mac. 780 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: I just I can't see currently Zappy having the physical tools, 781 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 2: not necessarily the intangibles and not like yeah, maybe he's 782 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 2: in better standing with the head coach and like I'm 783 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 2: not getting into any of that crap. The main thing 784 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 2: is is like is he is? Could you see a 785 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 2: path where he's a much better football player than Mac Jones. 786 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: And I don't think it's close enough or even ahead enough. 787 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: I should say for Bailey Zappy for him to truly 788 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 2: push Mac Jones. And I still feel that way coming 789 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 2: off the spring. 790 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with you. But again I think 791 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: the things you're talking about Mac throwing with anticipation, he 792 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: can get there. This isn't a thing where like, oh 793 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: he needs to be more athletic and that's just never 794 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: gonna happen. This is and it's something Bill O'Brien I think. 795 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: Is the right coach to get him. I just want 796 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 2: to see, one time, one time, just throw like a 797 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 2: twelve yard incut with a little bit of anticipation and 798 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: with a little bit of smoke on it, right, Like, 799 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 2: just just fit it in there one time. And I 800 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: think sometimes that that throw isn't necessarily there. Like he 801 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 2: can distribute the ball underneath the defense, he can get 802 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 2: it out. He can throw the touch deep balls, you know, 803 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: the lob throws and things like that and drop it 804 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: in the bucket. But can he fit a ball, you know, 805 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: twelve yards down the field that the sticks between two 806 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: defenders and get it there. And in order for him 807 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 2: to be able to do that. It's going to have 808 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 2: to come out early, and he's gonna have to be 809 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,720 Speaker 2: able to anticipate it and see it before it happens, 810 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: and that's gonna be key for him. All right, Quarterbacks, 811 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 2: anything to say about Trace mcsorly, I got nothing? 812 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: Uh no, okay, and Rocket include Malie kuny cahme here 813 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: because he is a wide receiver. 814 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. Running Backs, this has been oddly something that 815 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 2: I've got. I don't know about you, Ox, but I 816 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 2: did the mail back today for us on Patriots dot Com. 817 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 2: Some questions about the running backs, certainly after James Robbins. 818 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: I think some of this is fantasy driven. I'm not 819 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 2: gonna lie. Yeah, Ramandra Stevenson's Ormandra Stevenson didn't see a 820 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 2: ton of Remondre in the spring. I don't think they 821 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: feel like they need to see him in the spring. 822 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 2: I don't think it's injury related or anything else related. 823 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: I think it's quite the workload last year. 824 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 2: I'm yeah, it doesn't doesn't really need to be a 825 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 2: featured part of the spring, but it is interesting to 826 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: see the other guys. Whether you want to call him 827 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 2: a wide receiver, running back time Montgomery is once again 828 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 2: having a great spring, had a great summer last year, 829 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 2: great spring last year, doing it again. Whether or not 830 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 2: he can stay healthy question mark, whether or not it's 831 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 2: it's real. I don't necessarily have as many questions about that. 832 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 2: I think time Montgomery could be a useful player for 833 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 2: the team if he's healthy. And I like two things 834 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: about his game. One, he seems to know the right 835 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 2: spots and like read things out correctly. Underneath. You know, 836 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 2: they do run him on some options and some you know, 837 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 2: different types of coverage conversions, like I wouldn't call them 838 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 2: like full like carte blanche, do whatever you want option routes. 839 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 2: But you know he'll sit when he needs to sit, 840 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 2: he'll run when he needs to run, like that sort 841 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 2: of thing. He's got good hands and he just it 842 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 2: seems like when the quarterbacks need to look for somebody 843 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 2: to dump the ball off to time Montgomery's in the 844 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 2: right spot and where he should be on time. And 845 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 2: there's something to be said for that. We know how 846 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 2: valuable that can be. And he's somebody that really does 847 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 2: blur the lines formationally. He can flex out. You can 848 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 2: run an empty set, have him flex out wide and 849 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 2: then bring him in and cause that sort of confusion 850 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 2: things like that. So he's got some versatility, He's got 851 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 2: that headiness or that instincts to play this position. I 852 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 2: think right now, as much as I would love Pierre 853 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 2: Strong to take the job, I think right now, Time 854 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 2: Montgomery's the third down back. I think he's the favorite 855 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 2: for that position. 856 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: Well, what's really interesting is there's times where Time Montgomery 857 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: was one of two running backs on the field. Yeah, 858 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: and DA can get cloudy as well, and I think 859 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: that's something they want to do. We've talked a lot 860 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: about Mike is SICKI right, Yeah, can they when they 861 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: put him on the field, they can kind of disguise 862 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: eleven personnel or twelve personnel and the other. 863 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 2: Team doesn't know. 864 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: There might be some of that with to Montgomery too. Yeah, 865 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: are you they in eleven or are they in twenty 866 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: one with him? And for that to work, though, you 867 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 1: need Pierre Strong and or Kevin Harris to be able 868 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: to be like a solid second running back beyond Rmandre Stevenson. 869 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: I would say both of those guys were involved during 870 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: the spring. And this is something I've talked about, the 871 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: idea that they didn't play last year because the coaching 872 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,240 Speaker 1: staff is out on them and they're buried or whatever. 873 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 2: Not the case. 874 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff still really likes both of 875 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: these guys. I think they're both going to get a 876 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: shot to contribute this year in some way. Those four. 877 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: That's a solid running back round. 878 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not worrying about running back room at all. 879 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: I'd like to see him add and this is really 880 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: niche like, add one more guy that you can stash 881 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: on the practice squad and if somebody gets hurt, you 882 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: can call him up and like he's been here, you're 883 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: not getting him off the street. Maybe that's JJ Taylor. 884 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 2: Right, but maybe somebody that's more of like in the 885 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 2: early down mold than JJ Taylor, I guess. 886 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 887 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you want to name, You're gonna roll your eyes. 888 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: You know, Reggie Corbyn is the starting do you know 889 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: who that is? 890 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 2: And yes, what Reggie? What do you mean? 891 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: Reggie Corbin starting running back for the Michigan Panthers in 892 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: the USFL liked what I've seen from him and he's 893 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: a good, well like solid, well rounded stash. 894 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 2: So you do feel like I guess the I think 895 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 2: the biggest question with the running backs and with Pierre Strong. 896 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 2: It is my quick take on on the two. 897 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,360 Speaker 1: Do you hate Reggie Corbin's I don't know. 898 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 2: Just like I don't hear your World League or whatever, 899 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 2: I don't have anything for it. Second year running back 900 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 2: it takes one Pierre Strong. I don't know if Pierre 901 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 2: Strong is yet to the point consistently enough that he's 902 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 2: like a volume guy. I think he's a really fast, 903 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 2: explosive player with the ball in his hands. That's worth 904 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 2: giving him those three to five touches the game just 905 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 2: to see if he breaks one, right, But I don't 906 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 2: know if he's a true spell back yet. For Remandre, 907 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 2: I was pretty impressed with Kevin Harris. I his game 908 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 2: is not supposed to be in shorts and a T shirt, right, 909 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 2: Like he's a bulldozing running back, like you know, early 910 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 2: down to a tee like Garret Blunt style back. He 911 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 2: looked pretty spry out there. I think we never got 912 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 2: to talk to him, but I wonder if he lost 913 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 2: some weight or something like. He looked pretty explosive and 914 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 2: he wasn't fighting the ball or anything like that catching 915 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 2: it either. Like I thought he looked a lot better 916 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 2: as a receiver than I expected. It and stood out 917 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 2: in these practices a little bit more than I would 918 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 2: expect that two and twenty pound running back to stand 919 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 2: down in the spring. So we'll see with both of them. 920 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still clamoring to see Pierre Strong in 921 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 2: the open field with the football, like I still want 922 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 2: to see that. I just don't know if that's if 923 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 2: it's like two or three times a game or is 924 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 2: it ten times a game? Right, and they need somebody 925 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 2: that's ten times a game they do that might be 926 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 2: more Kevin Harris at this point. If they really want, 927 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 2: like Damien Harris replacement of a guy that Ormandre is 928 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 2: going to carry it twenty to twenty five times, and 929 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 2: you need somebody else to carry it ten to fifteen times, 930 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 2: that might be Kevin Harris. 931 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Pierre Strong is more of your like 932 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: big hitter back and your if time Montgomery is going 933 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 1: to have more of a wide receiver role of the 934 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: guy that's stepping in there. I wouldn't hate seeing them 935 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: add another big body back too. If if they how 936 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: about Furnette, I thought he were tired. No, that was 937 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 1: Jioe Bernard, Oh, another former Buck. I was gonna say, 938 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: I was going to give you another buck running. Wait, 939 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: what Fornette's not a buck? Oh Tampa day buck? Yeah, 940 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a buck. I what neither one? 941 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 2: You know? I love Zeke, I want Zeke. I don't 942 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 2: mind Zeke. I just wonder Zeke got a little bit 943 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 2: what's the word annoyed by Tony Pollard in Dallas. 944 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more one of those things. 945 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 2: Is he gonna be? Is he gonna be a sidecar? 946 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: My My counter would be as he gonna sit out 947 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: the season? 948 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 2: Yeah? I love Zeke. I've always loved zee Ya. He's 949 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 2: not the same player that he was early on in 950 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 2: his career, but as a number two back, I mean you, 951 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 2: he's probably be the best number two back in the league. 952 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 2: It's just whether or not Zeke would be willing to 953 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 2: be a number. 954 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:23,240 Speaker 1: Two I think. I also think people underestimate his football maturity. 955 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: Football like he's he's a great blocker. Yeah, that's the thing, 956 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: like a guy like that in such a young running 957 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: back room. Yeah, I think would be incredibly Right now, 958 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going out paying him a ton of money. 959 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm not like paying him over Hopkins. But yeah, if 960 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 1: you get to late July and he's still unsigned. I 961 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: call him be like, hey, but so you know, if 962 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: you want to play this year, we'll we'll take you 963 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, all right, But yeah, I just 964 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 1: to get back to it. I Yeah, I think Strong 965 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: is more of the guy if they want to get 966 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: creative with Montgomery where he's gonna go. But and I 967 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: want to get into that a little more when we 968 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: do the tight ends too, because I think there's something 969 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: that's in there. But yeah, no, it's I mean they 970 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: have a solid group. It's going to be a rotation. 971 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 3: Really. 972 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: I think Stevens is gonna be the number one, but 973 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: I think all four guys will contribute to some extent 974 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: this year. 975 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, before we get to the next position 976 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 2: to get to wide receiver, this is going to be 977 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 2: a hefty one. Let's take these calls and these guys 978 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 2: have been waiting on hole for a long time. Sean 979 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 2: and Vancouver, thanks for hanging on. What's up? Sean? Seans up? 980 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 2: Going on? Sorry? Chuni, Yeah, we did give him a call, 981 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 2: give us a callback. That's my fall. You guys have 982 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 2: been waiting for a long time. Justin you there, what's up? Justin? 983 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 4: Hey guys, Hey just wanted to kind of continue with 984 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 4: the conversation you guys are having. So when it comes 985 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 4: to Zeke, I definitely agree that I think he has 986 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 4: a lot to offer as like the second string running back. 987 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,359 Speaker 4: How much do you think that kind of like his 988 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 4: legal issues in the past and like, like you said, 989 00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 4: his personal issues like as as a character like would 990 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 4: affect kind of his perceived market value. Not saying he's 991 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 4: been terrible or anything, but just like his locker room aspect, 992 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 4: you know. 993 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that that's sort of where I'm at, 994 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 2: justin his own things for the call, I'm not I 995 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 2: don't really delve too much into the off field stuff 996 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,439 Speaker 2: like that's not I don't. I don't know enough about 997 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 2: the situations and things like that to really speak on that. 998 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 2: But in terms of like the football side of things, 999 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 2: in the locker room side of things, my concern is 1000 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 2: not that Zeke is like you know, what's the old saying, 1001 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 2: like you know, malcoontent or turn in the punch bowl 1002 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 2: or anything like that. But I would just to be 1003 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 2: concerned that he's not going to be the guy, like 1004 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 2: he's not going to be the featured back. Yeah, I mean, 1005 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 2: you don't gonna behind clearly behind Remondra Stevens. 1006 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: You'd obviously have to make sure he buys in. I'm 1007 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: not just saying sign him out right, but again, it's 1008 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: that kind of thing where doesn't feel like he has 1009 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: a lot of options. Yeah, Dalvin Cook's gonna sign before him, 1010 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,320 Speaker 1: right there's I know there's another running back on forgetting 1011 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,680 Speaker 1: that's probably gonna sign before him. 1012 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 2: Well, right now, it's really the top ones are Zeke, 1013 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,040 Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook, and Fournette. 1014 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: Fournette probably will sign before him. Does he want to 1015 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 1: sit out the year? That's kind of what it comes 1016 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,959 Speaker 1: down to to me is if it's be the second 1017 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: running back in New England or not play football right, 1018 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 1: then maybe he becomes a little more amenable to it. Hey, 1019 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: come here, be the second back. We'll give you some 1020 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: opportunity to showcase. But you can do and you hit 1021 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: the market next year kind of you know, with your 1022 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: with your stock rates. Because he did not have a 1023 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:21,399 Speaker 1: good year. 1024 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 2: Last that would be I mean not that not that 1025 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 2: either one of them is necessarily still in their primes, 1026 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,840 Speaker 2: but the Patriots acquiring to Zeke Elliott and DeAndre Hopkins 1027 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,280 Speaker 2: in like June and July would would. 1028 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: Be they'd be a wagon in like twenty seventeen. 1029 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. All right, let's talk wide receivers, 1030 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 2: A big position group, a lot of people to delve 1031 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 2: into here. We will talk about Malie Cunningham in a second, 1032 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 2: but I want to start with DeVonta Parker. 1033 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,760 Speaker 1: Sorry, Zeke's only twenty seven. 1034 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just running backs, dude, Like they. 1035 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: Just that's insane. I thought he was like twenty nine. Nins, No, 1036 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: that's insane. 1037 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,840 Speaker 2: He has so many carries. 1038 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 1: I know he does, but I didn't just forget the carries, 1039 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,880 Speaker 1: just like I remember watching him in college. 1040 00:48:59,080 --> 00:48:59,879 Speaker 2: A ton of cares. 1041 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: He feels like it was forever ago, I know, but. 1042 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 2: He had a ton of carries at Ohio State. He 1043 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 2: had a ton of carries early on in Dallas. Yeah, 1044 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 2: he's been he's been written worn down. How he came 1045 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:11,880 Speaker 2: to twenty sixteen? 1046 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,280 Speaker 1: How old was he when he came in the league, 1047 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,520 Speaker 1: Like he's like twenty Yeah, okay, he was. He was 1048 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: a stud Yeah, I know he was. I mean what 1049 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: he did to that Alabama defense in the playoff game 1050 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: is legendary. 1051 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,720 Speaker 2: All right, wide receivers, I want to start with Devonte Parker. 1052 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 2: I never feel bad for professional football players. Making millions 1053 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,319 Speaker 2: of dollars. But I feel for Devonte Parker a little 1054 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 2: bit with this DeAndre Hopkins thing because I still think 1055 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 2: DeVonta Parker is a solid NFL receiver and I still 1056 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 2: think that for what it's worth man to man on 1057 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 2: the outside press coverage, like he's the best receiver they 1058 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 2: have at just defeating press at the line and going 1059 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 2: up and getting a pass down the sideline. Like I 1060 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 2: really feel like he's he's their best outside receiver. I 1061 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 2: don't think that's a hot take to say, and I 1062 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 2: think he's still an NFL caliber ex receiver. He just 1063 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,320 Speaker 2: for a team that needs somebody to move the needle, 1064 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 2: it's obviously Hopkins is worth investing in and trying to 1065 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 2: move that needle. He was the one guy. And I 1066 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 2: totally understand when he was asked about DeAndre Hopkins, Like 1067 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,399 Speaker 2: wasn't really super thrilled to talk about DeAndre Hopkins, right, 1068 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 2: And I totally get it. I think DeAndre uh Devonte Parker, 1069 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 2: excuse me, is a really solid NFL player. It just 1070 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 2: comes back to health. You know, he's staying on the 1071 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 2: field and is he solid? Is solid? Good enough? 1072 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: Right? 1073 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 2: Like he's solid, But that's not really needle moving or 1074 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 2: difference making. But like I said, when he sees press 1075 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 2: coverage and he's got to go up and catch a fade, like, 1076 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 2: he's the best they got right now on the roster 1077 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 2: if we're not counting DeAndre Hopkins, who's not on the 1078 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 2: roster yet. 1079 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he absolutely is their wide receiver corps as 1080 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 1: a whole. Like the top of the depth chart, right, 1081 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna have Devanta Parker is your ex. Yeah, You're 1082 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: gonna have Jujus muth Schuster in the slot yep. And 1083 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,839 Speaker 1: you're gonna have born at Thornton competing for raps however 1084 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: you want to qualify. 1085 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,439 Speaker 2: That at the ze. 1086 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe Mike Kisiki factors in there too, 1087 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: and maybe Time Montgomery factors in the slot. Yeah, that's fine, 1088 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,359 Speaker 1: it's good. But we kind of saw these last couple 1089 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: of weeks how fast that depth falls off because Taekwon. 1090 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: We know there's durability questions with him. Parker, there's durability 1091 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 1: questions with him. Juju's actually been on the field pretty 1092 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: consistently throughout his career, but you worry about a guy 1093 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: dealing with a knee injury like that. 1094 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So. 1095 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: I like, as crazy as this sounds, look upgrading over 1096 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: upgrading Hopkins to Parker definitely makes a difference. But outside 1097 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: of that, for me, it's like, who's the next guy. 1098 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: When it's all role in the first couple of weeks 1099 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: and then Dorton gets hurt or Parker gets hurt, who 1100 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: are you adding into that wide receiver rotation so things 1101 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,960 Speaker 1: don't fall off? That to me is the big competition. 1102 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,839 Speaker 1: Is it time Montgomery playing significantly a wide receiver? Because 1103 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: if so, then you gotta get something from Kevin Harris 1104 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: or Pierre Strong. Isn't Mike a sickie? Well? That might 1105 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,839 Speaker 1: change your whole offense if you're trying to do these 1106 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: twelve personnel things and then you get down to are 1107 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,239 Speaker 1: we finally gonna do the trade Nixon thing? Ed Lee 1108 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: popped a little bit, But you know, Douglas to Mario, Well, 1109 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: that's it. I don't think it's to Mario Douglas because 1110 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: he's a gadget player. He's not gonna step into a 1111 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,080 Speaker 1: role that one of these other guys are filling. He's 1112 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: having his own role. Maybe it's Kayshawn Butte that's probably 1113 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:24,920 Speaker 1: who it should have been. That's why I thought it 1114 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: was coming in, but he hasn't been on the field. 1115 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,400 Speaker 1: So look last year, at least early in the season, 1116 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,480 Speaker 1: the guy I'm describing was L J. Humphrey. He wasn't 1117 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: signed at this point last year, he was still a 1118 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: free agent. So there's still a way to go. There's 1119 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: still a ways to go with that. But yes, they 1120 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: could upgrade Parker to Hopkins. Absolutely. Outside of that, they're 1121 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,560 Speaker 1: doing okay at the top of the depth chart. It's 1122 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: more just injuries are really this group could really get 1123 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: derailed by injuries if nobody else steps up as even 1124 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: just like a potential part time contributor. 1125 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that that's a fair point. I 1126 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 2: also think that another fair point is from what we 1127 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:10,920 Speaker 2: saw without Taekwon Thornton, this there's just no deep threat whatsoever. 1128 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 2: Like there's just no vertical element to this offense. The 1129 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 2: vertical element without him is DeVante Parker winning a fifty 1130 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 2: to fifty ball down the sideline or the tight end, 1131 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,359 Speaker 2: stretching the seams right like those. That's like how they 1132 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 2: get vertical. And I understand that Bill O'Brien's offense has 1133 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,240 Speaker 2: never been chuck it up outside the numbers like vertical, 1134 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, type of offense like this isn't that's not 1135 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 2: what it's going to be, even if they add DeAndre Hopkins. 1136 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,200 Speaker 2: It's it's just not what they do. But I really 1137 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,840 Speaker 2: like think there's a lot on the line with Taekwon 1138 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,680 Speaker 2: and it's not just I think people get sometimes a 1139 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 2: little bit too bogged down in production and like stats. 1140 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 2: It's not about the stats. It's just like about having 1141 00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 2: somebody that can stretch the field and having to respect 1142 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,279 Speaker 2: that ability to stretch the field. These last you know, 1143 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 2: he was out there for that first practice. I was 1144 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,239 Speaker 2: all jazzed up about it. The four practices that we 1145 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 2: saw after that, without him, you could feel it, like 1146 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 2: you could feel that the offense was still it was 1147 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,879 Speaker 2: back to operating in like a twenty yard box from 1148 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. And if there's no vertical stretch 1149 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 2: the offense, it's a problem. I really think that they 1150 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,360 Speaker 2: need Taekwon Thornton out there simply because like they don't 1151 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,240 Speaker 2: have another guy like that. You know, it's they don't 1152 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,319 Speaker 2: have another burner in the group. It's just it's him. 1153 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 2: It's it. You know, that's just not what these other 1154 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 2: guys do. It's not what Hopkins is either. So it's 1155 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,759 Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see if he can stay healthy, 1156 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 2: if he can stay on the field. I'm not as 1157 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 2: worried about the depth because I find it interesting. And 1158 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,360 Speaker 2: we have a question here. I'm assuming a lot of 1159 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,360 Speaker 2: people are asking this, But how did if they do 1160 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,920 Speaker 2: sign Hopkins? Yeah, who's the odd man out? Is like 1161 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 2: the hot question, right, and a lot of questions, you know, 1162 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 2: Thomas asks like why not keep both? And I think 1163 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 2: the problem that I keep on coming back to is 1164 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 2: it might be in the best interest of the depth 1165 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,920 Speaker 2: of the football team to keep both, But can you 1166 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,680 Speaker 2: keep both of them happy? Right? 1167 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,160 Speaker 1: Parker is in a contract year, he's a veteran, he's 1168 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,439 Speaker 1: an established player. He's gonna want to play. Yeah, he's 1169 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,359 Speaker 1: not gonna want to be here. Also, you know they're 1170 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: gonna want to open money. Back up, it's six point 1171 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,600 Speaker 1: two million if they move on from Parker with no 1172 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: dead cap. Now, let's let's just clarify this. We're talking 1173 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,040 Speaker 1: because people have said, like, you know, sign Hopkins today, 1174 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:34,880 Speaker 1: cut Parker tomorrow. 1175 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 2: No, no, no, let a playoff. 1176 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: You keep them both until you have to choose, which 1177 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,319 Speaker 1: is roster cuts because guys get hurt. You never know 1178 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:42,800 Speaker 1: what happens. 1179 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,000 Speaker 2: And I also think that Devonte Parker not that he 1180 00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 2: has like this immense trade value, but he's an affordable 1181 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,440 Speaker 2: starting I wonder if that he's one of those trades 1182 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,759 Speaker 2: at the end of training camp, that is, for a 1183 00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,879 Speaker 2: position the Patriots need to a wide receiver needed team, 1184 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,520 Speaker 2: like maybe they get a tackle back, you know. 1185 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,279 Speaker 1: Or at the very least, could they get back what 1186 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,359 Speaker 1: they gave up for him. I don't think that's unrealistic. 1187 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 2: I would just I would more be inclined to trade 1188 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,480 Speaker 2: him for a player. Yeah, but especially that to me. 1189 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 2: But yes, but we did this last year. Teams don't 1190 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 2: trade tackles. Teams don't trade there maybe not enough tackles, 1191 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 2: like you know, maybe somebody I hope nobody gets hurt, 1192 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,959 Speaker 2: but like maybe they feel like they need another depth 1193 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 2: body someplace. 1194 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it could be that. Maybe you know, if 1195 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,400 Speaker 1: Florence guys hold out continues, maybe it's a defensive linement 1196 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,840 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, you don't trade them until you 1197 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: have to. But I do think it is uh Parker, 1198 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,719 Speaker 1: people people on Twitter want to know if we can 1199 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,479 Speaker 1: go find Hopkins and get them on the show. 1200 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:38,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 1201 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you had your dream. 1202 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you leave, you you leave. 1203 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,399 Speaker 1: We'll sit him down there, I'll talk to him. 1204 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,959 Speaker 2: I had my dream and I also value my job, 1205 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 2: so I am not going to be doing that anyways. 1206 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 2: Let's talk. I want to talk about Kendrick Bourne for 1207 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,799 Speaker 2: a second. What were your just general impressions of Kendrick Boyn. 1208 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,240 Speaker 2: I know a lot was made about the press conference 1209 00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 2: and how he basically just railroad at the staff last year. 1210 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,400 Speaker 2: I sort of snickered at it too. I got it 1211 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,000 Speaker 2: was kind of funny, but regardless, I I don't really 1212 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 2: care like that's that's for other shows, Like I don't 1213 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 2: really care about all the drama or whatever. The question 1214 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,000 Speaker 2: that I have with Kendrick Bourne, Uh well, let. 1215 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,280 Speaker 1: Me say one thing on that and what he said 1216 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: about Hopkins and just that whole thing. Yeah, his mentality 1217 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 1: of I think he's really ride or die with his teammates. 1218 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: Like his teammates, right, A guy like that always brings 1219 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: the positive energy, Like even last year when it was 1220 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: clearly going rough for him, he was always smiling. All that. 1221 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,840 Speaker 1: That guy can play for me any day. I'm gonna 1222 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,200 Speaker 1: find a spot for that guy on my team. 1223 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 2: So there's that school thought. Do you think that's how 1224 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 2: they think, because I don't know. I don't so him 1225 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,800 Speaker 2: coming out and saying what he did about the coaching staff, 1226 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 2: and I think, what what the problem is with Kendrick 1227 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,040 Speaker 2: Bourne that they probably have with him? And this is 1228 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 2: not source or anything like that. I'm just saying what 1229 00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 2: reading the tea leaves he he doesn't think that he 1230 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 2: needs to like bow down to two superiors, right like 1231 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,959 Speaker 2: he doesn't feel I don't think that there's I don't 1232 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,000 Speaker 2: know that it's that. I I don't think that he 1233 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 2: gives a crap about what anybody. 1234 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,760 Speaker 1: I just think he's an emotional guy. He's a passionate guy, 1235 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think they love that emotion boiling over sometimes. 1236 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,200 Speaker 1: I don't think it's about superiors or it is so importunate. 1237 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 2: They like guys, in my mind, that fall in line, right, 1238 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 2: like you take your marching orders and you fall. 1239 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't even think it's that. I think they like 1240 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 1: guys that put their head that like not too high, 1241 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,240 Speaker 1: not too low. 1242 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:34,560 Speaker 2: Thing right. 1243 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,160 Speaker 1: If there's Kendrick Horn gets little high, gets a little low. 1244 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: He's just an emotional guy. I don't I don't think 1245 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: it's in any negative like, I don't think he means poorly. 1246 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't think he's trying necessarily be disrupted. I just 1247 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,720 Speaker 1: think he's an emotional guy. That's who he is. There's 1248 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,680 Speaker 1: benefits in that too. 1249 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he plays. 1250 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 1: I just think they want the guy that puts his 1251 00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: head down and not him. Right, But what did you 1252 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: give a couple of those guys, what do you think 1253 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,160 Speaker 1: he looked like? I thought he looked good. I thought 1254 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: he looked good. 1255 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,960 Speaker 2: Looks strong. He does look a little thicker. 1256 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 1: He looks strong. I thought, you know, his movements were 1257 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: really crisp. I think, and I say this all the time, 1258 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 1: I think people really underrate I think people underrate him 1259 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: as a whole. But I think, really people really underrate 1260 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,280 Speaker 1: his ability after the catch. 1261 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think this offense is really really fits him. 1262 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,800 Speaker 1: Very Yeah, I don't. You don't necessarily get to see 1263 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: a ton of after the catch stuff in these kind 1264 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,880 Speaker 1: of practices, non contact, but watching him like cut in 1265 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: and out of routes and stuff like that, he runs 1266 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: away from guys. 1267 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:39,680 Speaker 2: He can run. 1268 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 1: He's not like the fastest player, yet he's constantly running 1269 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: away from defenders because he makes it work with subtlety 1270 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 1: and things like that. I really like he's gonna be 1271 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: back in a role this year. 1272 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:51,480 Speaker 2: He's gonna won. 1273 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 1: He's gonna be back on the field this year too. 1274 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna be back in a role that fits him. Evan, 1275 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,760 Speaker 1: you know this, My opinion on Kendrick Bourne hasn't changed 1276 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: by all the Kendrick Bourne stock Now. I I think 1277 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,800 Speaker 1: his potential is immense. I think he can be a 1278 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,320 Speaker 1: really really solid number two receiver, really solid complimentary guy. Wait, 1279 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: whoever the number one is, whether it's it's Parker, whether 1280 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 1: it's Hopkins, is probably true if it's Hopkins. But and 1281 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 1: we we've had this conversation other times on the show, right, 1282 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,600 Speaker 1: the Tuesday Morning guy, the guy that even if somebody 1283 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 1: else is hot, like last year, right, all the teams 1284 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,160 Speaker 1: were focused on Jakobe Myers and then DeVante Parker got hot, 1285 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,440 Speaker 1: so they were like, we're gonna shade coverage over DeVante 1286 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: Parker and Myers couldn't really like nothing really changed, Right, 1287 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: if DeAndre Hopkins is here, or if DeVante Parker is 1288 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 1: a really good season, teams aren't gonna stop shading coverage 1289 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: off of them even if somebody else hit heats up, Right, Yeah, Kendrick, 1290 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:46,680 Speaker 1: you sound unsure, but. 1291 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,880 Speaker 2: I well, I think we're forgetting I just think we're 1292 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 2: forgetting Juju because he wasn't out there. That's fair. 1293 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,040 Speaker 1: But I'm saying this isn't even about Juju. It's about 1294 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne should be in a spot where he is 1295 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: going to see one on one coverage more often than not. 1296 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 1: Kendrick Born as a guy who is going to make 1297 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 1: teams pay and one a significant amount of And that's. 1298 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,160 Speaker 2: Why I just my message to Kenrick Bourne has nothing 1299 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,960 Speaker 2: to do. I don't actually care as about him speaking 1300 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,720 Speaker 2: out in the media. I don't. I don't care. It's 1301 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 2: great for us and I but on a I don't care. 1302 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 2: I care because I don't want them to use that 1303 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,840 Speaker 2: as a reason to kick him off this team. 1304 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,480 Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, right, so he can give them something 1305 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:27,960 Speaker 1: fall in. 1306 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 2: Line just for the sake so that you can be 1307 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,840 Speaker 2: here because you're gonna help the football team win games, 1308 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,160 Speaker 2: right right, Like That's where I'm coming at it. So 1309 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 2: and it's not like you don't have to shut your mouth, 1310 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,880 Speaker 2: you don't have to be a mood like you don't 1311 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 2: have to you can talk, but like coming out and 1312 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,200 Speaker 2: saying the things that he said, doesn't help him with 1313 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:47,880 Speaker 2: the coaches. 1314 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: It just doesn't help me, right, And and yeah, you 1315 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,400 Speaker 1: hope that that there's some middle ground there. I would say, 1316 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,440 Speaker 1: here's kind of how I feel about Kendrick Borne. I 1317 01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,000 Speaker 1: just thought of this is like the perfect greatest sum 1318 01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,280 Speaker 1: up how I feel about Hendrick Borne. 1319 01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1320 01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,640 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we like a player and then we 1321 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,760 Speaker 1: hear like, yeah, he's good, but you can go get 1322 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 1: that guy elsewhere, Like yeah, I'm trying to think of 1323 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,760 Speaker 1: an example of a player like that, like like on 1324 01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: on another team. 1325 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,440 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, I know, like. 1326 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,120 Speaker 1: I just had it and I lost it. 1327 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 2: That's fine, I know. 1328 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:15,600 Speaker 1: But you know what I'm talking right right, Oh yeah, No, 1329 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 1: he's a good player, but like you can go get 1330 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: that same guy in frame, so you can find in 1331 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:23,280 Speaker 1: the draft. I think Kendrick Bourne is like one step above. Yeah, 1332 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: you can go find that guy. I'm not sure that 1333 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,360 Speaker 1: you're easily replacing Kendrick Bourne. That's not to say that 1334 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: he's an elite player or anything like that, but there's 1335 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,280 Speaker 1: not sometimes say oh, yeah, there's that guy on thirty 1336 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: two teams, right, that guy. Yeah he's a good player, 1337 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,000 Speaker 1: but every team has a version of that guy. I 1338 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: don't know that there's thirty two versions of Kendrick Borne 1339 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:42,240 Speaker 1: in the league. 1340 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't think there are, so that that's that's a 1341 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,000 Speaker 2: good way of putting it. 1342 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,120 Speaker 1: Like Jimmy Garoppolo, Yeah, you can go find Jimmy Garoppolo. Right, 1343 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:51,720 Speaker 1: you're not. 1344 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 2: Gonna Patriots might have found Jimmy garoppol. 1345 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,800 Speaker 1: They have a lot of teams, might have the Viking, 1346 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,160 Speaker 1: or there's there's this really good TikTok about like it's 1347 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,680 Speaker 1: like the NFL is just okay, I'm not really either 1348 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 1: of people send this to me all at the time. 1349 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: It's like the narrator is like the NFL is a 1350 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: bunch of Kirk Cousins, and then it starts scrolling through 1351 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: pictures of quarterbacks. It's like Kirk Cousins and like old 1352 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,520 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, and it's Matt Ryan, young Kirk Cousins, and 1353 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 1: it's Mac Jones and there's like this Kirk Cousins, this guy. Right, Yeah, 1354 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,560 Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Garoppolo was broken Kirk Cousins in that video, right. 1355 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 1: You you couldn't do that with Kendrick Borne. You couldn't. 1356 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,960 Speaker 1: He there's enough uniqueness in his game that you can 1357 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:27,760 Speaker 1: take advantage of that. 1358 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So that we covered kind of the veteran guys 1359 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 2: on the team and one that isn't that we continue 1360 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,200 Speaker 2: to talk about because of obvious reasons. But I think 1361 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,439 Speaker 2: the next question is, so they're gonna have the four 1362 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,280 Speaker 2: veteran guys, whether it's Hopkins replacing one of the veteran 1363 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,320 Speaker 2: guys that already exists, or just the four guys that 1364 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 2: they currently have in house. They're gonna have four veteran guys, 1365 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,560 Speaker 2: and I'm including Taekwon in the veteran category. 1366 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, even though he's the second year guy NFL experience 1367 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:55,919 Speaker 1: like significant NFL. 1368 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. The fifth receiver spot is I think gonna be 1369 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 2: up for grabs regardless of Hopkins comes here or not. Yes, 1370 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:08,880 Speaker 2: So the question that boils down is is it tomorrow? Douglas. 1371 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't think we can really say anything about Kishon 1372 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 2: Booty because he literally wasn't out there, Uh Malie Cuttingham, 1373 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Trey Nixon or Emily who I thought kind of had 1374 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,120 Speaker 2: a moment or two out there. Not gonna not like 1375 01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,320 Speaker 2: down the field, but a little jitterbug. 1376 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like put ed Lee on the team 1377 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: right away, but put him on the practice squad. Maybe 1378 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 1: we revisit next year. 1379 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, he's kind of like the new Trade Nixon. 1380 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's he's gonna take Trey Nixon the. 1381 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,800 Speaker 2: Out of that group, who do you think emerges as 1382 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 2: the most likely fifth receiver? You have to Mario Douglas. 1383 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 2: You have Malik Cuttingham, you have Booty, you have ed 1384 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,320 Speaker 2: Lee so and like Trey Nixon still exists. 1385 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Trade Nixon. 1386 01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:57,480 Speaker 4: So, I. 1387 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,400 Speaker 1: It's not Douglas because he's a gadget player. He's gonna 1388 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,479 Speaker 1: be on the team, but he's gonna be his own 1389 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 1: sort of thing. He doesn't fit into this equation. Okay, 1390 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,880 Speaker 1: if Kaishawn Booty is healthy, he's far and away the 1391 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,520 Speaker 1: best receiver you just named. Yeah, but that's if he 1392 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,600 Speaker 1: is healthy. That's the get's a capital, right. I think 1393 01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,440 Speaker 1: they'll probably like train. I don't know if they can 1394 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,640 Speaker 1: keep Trey Nixon on the practice squad this year, like 1395 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: they can, but how it will work with all the 1396 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,320 Speaker 1: other numbers, because I think he has enough accrude seasons 1397 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,280 Speaker 1: now that he's he's limited to like there's they can 1398 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,760 Speaker 1: only keep three or four guys with the amount of experience. 1399 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,480 Speaker 1: I think they would default to Trey Nixon as the 1400 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,800 Speaker 1: experienced player. But I can see making a run at it. 1401 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: I really can't, especially if things work where Trey Nixon 1402 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,520 Speaker 1: is kept off the practice squad just by numbers and that. 1403 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,400 Speaker 1: So it's like you have two players that you can 1404 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,400 Speaker 1: just keep period like it doesn't matter. They could be 1405 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,640 Speaker 1: fifteen year NFL veterans, they could play a thousand games. 1406 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,520 Speaker 1: Then there's two more guys that I think it's like 1407 01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,280 Speaker 1: six years, and then I think there's one more guy 1408 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 1: that's like four years. Ye, so, but they change it 1409 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,600 Speaker 1: every year. That's was like two years ago. The point being, 1410 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,280 Speaker 1: there's a way I'm not saying Trey Nixon doesn't fit 1411 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,560 Speaker 1: on the prast squad because he's not good enough. They're 1412 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 1: gonna want to keep, you know, one of the veteran linemen, 1413 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:13,880 Speaker 1: like a James Farence, right, he takes up one of 1414 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,560 Speaker 1: those spots if they want to do one of these 1415 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,720 Speaker 1: weird things again where they're not gonna have a backup 1416 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 1: quarterback on the roster, They're not gonna have a kicker 1417 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,920 Speaker 1: on the roster that takes up a spot, things like that. 1418 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 2: So I think I think Trace McSorley will be here 1419 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:25,480 Speaker 2: on the practice squad. 1420 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,880 Speaker 1: I'd like to find them, to find somebody better is 1421 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:30,240 Speaker 1: I don't think Garrett Gilbert. 1422 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,600 Speaker 2: I think Trace mcsorry will be on the practice squad. 1423 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 2: I think that they have seen some value in Trace 1424 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,200 Speaker 2: McSorley behind the scenes, like a Matt Brian Hoyer. 1425 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like twenty six and Garret Gilbert is a 1426 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: free agent. Anyway, he takes up one of those spots. 1427 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,000 Speaker 1: So back to the point in him Kayshawn Booty is healthy. 1428 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: I think it's Kashawn Booty, if not probably Trey Nixon. 1429 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,760 Speaker 1: But ed Lee certainly makes a run at it. And 1430 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,160 Speaker 1: if it gets down to no love for Pop Douglas, 1431 01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 1: I think he's so. I think he's gonna play more 1432 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:00,600 Speaker 1: than both of them. 1433 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,480 Speaker 2: But but he's still he's still got a factor into 1434 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,560 Speaker 2: a position group. 1435 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,919 Speaker 1: So I had him. No, he's going to be white. 1436 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,640 Speaker 1: So this this guy's going on the practice squad, this 1437 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: guy we're talking about, I don't think this guy makes 1438 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,360 Speaker 1: the roster. Got it to Mario Douglas makes the roster? Okay, 1439 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,240 Speaker 1: So that's where we met. 1440 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,320 Speaker 2: Where we're to. Mario Douglas is your guy that makes 1441 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:18,920 Speaker 2: it to Mario Douglas is the guy that makes it. 1442 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,840 Speaker 1: No, but the fifth receiver Tomorow Douglas makes the roster 1443 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,600 Speaker 1: as Marcus Jones backup on offense. Okay, the fifth receiver 1444 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 1: is going to be somebody that is on the practice 1445 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 1: squad that gets elevated. So in that right there, I 1446 01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,560 Speaker 1: think gonna have four active receivers plus Douglas to start 1447 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,600 Speaker 1: the season. Because so you're saying, if somebody goes down, 1448 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,040 Speaker 1: who's the fourth receiver, it's Mike at Seck. Youre time Montomery, okay, right, 1449 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,320 Speaker 1: and that this is the guy that when the depth 1450 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,600 Speaker 1: gets tested. Remember Dante Montcreef twenty twenty season. Yeah, I'm 1451 01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,640 Speaker 1: talking about Dante Moncrief here, Okay, that's the guy I'm 1452 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,080 Speaker 1: talking about. And it's Trey Nickson er ed Lely. 1453 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. 1454 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,040 Speaker 1: And Malie Cunningham will hang around on the practice squad 1455 01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,240 Speaker 1: as a project player, but I don't think he sees 1456 01:07:58,520 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 1: NFL snaps this year. 1457 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,080 Speaker 2: The best thing that Malie cunning him did the entire 1458 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,440 Speaker 2: spring was run quarterback in nine and seven, like. 1459 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,479 Speaker 1: He made one nice catch. I made one nice catch, 1460 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:11,280 Speaker 1: no respect is one nice catch. 1461 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,960 Speaker 2: He made one nice catch. I'm not taking it seriously. 1462 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:15,040 Speaker 2: I've never taken it serious. 1463 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,160 Speaker 1: But he did make one nice catch. 1464 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,519 Speaker 2: Take it seriously, and people that are putting him on 1465 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,360 Speaker 2: like their roster projections are are I he made one 1466 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:23,840 Speaker 2: nice catch. 1467 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,400 Speaker 1: How he respects his one nice catch. I don't disagree 1468 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: with anything you said, but respect us one nice. 1469 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,280 Speaker 2: I respect his one nice catch for you. But what 1470 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,040 Speaker 2: I really respected was watching nine on seven with him 1471 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,320 Speaker 2: playing quarterback and uh them running Reid option with him 1472 01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,520 Speaker 2: at quarterback and Marty Mapu just like doing his thing linebacker. 1473 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,600 Speaker 2: That that moved the needle for me. 1474 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,080 Speaker 1: We know that his real value this year is a 1475 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,479 Speaker 1: scout team quarterback. What happens down the road happens down 1476 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,000 Speaker 1: the road. 1477 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,280 Speaker 2: All right, tight ends, I know, Gasicki's call him a 1478 01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,160 Speaker 2: tight end, call him a wide receiver. Some people get 1479 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,720 Speaker 2: hot and bothered when you call him the tight end 1480 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,080 Speaker 2: because he's a big receiver. 1481 01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,200 Speaker 1: We literally just got in the YouTube comments in all 1482 01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:00,880 Speaker 1: caps Johnny and then Lumpkin. 1483 01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:07,639 Speaker 2: So Hunter Henry h looks like Hunter Henry looks fine. 1484 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,400 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like spend too much time on guys 1485 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:16,880 Speaker 2: like that. I was really really impressed, excited, optimistic about 1486 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,360 Speaker 2: Mike Kasicki. I think that he brings a different level 1487 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,719 Speaker 2: of two things. One explosiveness at that spot for sure. 1488 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,519 Speaker 2: Like I think that he runs way way better than 1489 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,799 Speaker 2: Hunter Henry does at this stage, you know, up the seam, 1490 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,639 Speaker 2: across the field, things like that, And I think it's 1491 01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 2: a it's it's nice to have a guy like Kasicki 1492 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:43,439 Speaker 2: who's like very clearly a natural receiver, a natural route runner, 1493 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,479 Speaker 2: catches the ball well, doesn't fight, it doesn't look clunky, 1494 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,759 Speaker 2: doesn't look out of place like running routes and catching 1495 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,719 Speaker 2: the football down the field. Just a very very big 1496 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,240 Speaker 2: difference from John hu Smith. Like Johnny Smith just always 1497 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:04,599 Speaker 2: looked stiff, robot, clunky, struggling to catch the football at times. 1498 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,360 Speaker 2: Mi Kasiki looks like he's been catching a football since 1499 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,360 Speaker 2: since he was six years old, right, and and running 1500 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:11,280 Speaker 2: routes since he was eight. 1501 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:11,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 1502 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 2: He's a very natural player. He's fluid. He's a little 1503 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,000 Speaker 2: bit quicker than I thought he would be too, not 1504 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,080 Speaker 2: necessarily like jitterbug underneath quickness, but that ability to like 1505 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,639 Speaker 2: you know, threaten leverage and then and then cut out 1506 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,000 Speaker 2: of a break up the field a little bit. I 1507 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,840 Speaker 2: did a nice job of that. A couple of times. 1508 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,639 Speaker 2: I really think that you you mentioned the seven hundred 1509 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,559 Speaker 2: and eighty yards earlier in the show. I think was 1510 01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,400 Speaker 2: his career high in Miami. I think that's in play. 1511 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 2: I do, and I I would even I don't know. 1512 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,479 Speaker 2: I would even go as far to say that if 1513 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:46,600 Speaker 2: they get it into a lot more eleven personnel on 1514 01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,640 Speaker 2: third down, I would. I would go as far to 1515 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 2: say that Mikasiki might pass Hunter Henry this year. I 1516 01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:57,559 Speaker 2: think I think they might both be on the field. 1517 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,559 Speaker 2: But if you get Hopkins, you have Juju. I guess 1518 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,840 Speaker 2: that could be the twelve. 1519 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,799 Speaker 1: Person twelve personnel. 1520 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I guess, But I you know me, I 1521 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,599 Speaker 2: would love to get the speed on the field. 1522 01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,280 Speaker 1: I know, but I think that's gonna be it. No. 1523 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,160 Speaker 1: I was impressed by Gasiki too. You kind of put 1524 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,280 Speaker 1: it better there. But it's that thing I talked about 1525 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,759 Speaker 1: it with Bourn where we're not really watching these guys 1526 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,760 Speaker 1: in yards after the catch situations, but you're seeing them 1527 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,559 Speaker 1: do things that translate. And I didn't realize Kasiki, like 1528 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,280 Speaker 1: you said, the agility right, the quickness, it doesn't come 1529 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,400 Speaker 1: across as much on tape as a dozen person I 1530 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,760 Speaker 1: didn't realize quite how quick it is close athletes. Yeah, yeah, 1531 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,519 Speaker 1: until I got to see him close up. So that's 1532 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:34,559 Speaker 1: that's that's fun to see. 1533 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be a good player for him. Lumpkin, 1534 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 2: Johnny Lumpkin. The way I had sum up Johnny Lumpkin 1535 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,599 Speaker 2: in the spring is that I wasn't expecting anything from 1536 01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,839 Speaker 2: Johnny Lumpkin in the spring. But when he wears sixty 1537 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,599 Speaker 2: five and white, you think he's attack. 1538 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:49,240 Speaker 1: He's a tackle. 1539 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 2: You think he's a tackle. He's a big freakin' dude. 1540 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,559 Speaker 2: And we'll see when the pads come on what that 1541 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,840 Speaker 2: looks like. Anthony Firksker made some tough catches. Maybe a 1542 01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,200 Speaker 2: little bit, Yeah, he can a little bit. I think 1543 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,559 Speaker 2: two can play in the slot. I'm sure he can 1544 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,160 Speaker 2: play a little bit out of the backfield. They're not 1545 01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,439 Speaker 2: quite into that yet, with the run game and things 1546 01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,360 Speaker 2: like that. I at the moment would be more inclined 1547 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 2: to think that Ferksker mikes the roster as a tight 1548 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,839 Speaker 2: end three. If they're gonna carry three tight ends over Lumpkin. 1549 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,720 Speaker 2: We'll see what happens when the pads come on, But 1550 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:23,080 Speaker 2: more than likely I think that both those guys are 1551 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,479 Speaker 2: on the practice squad. If somebody gets hurt, there's a 1552 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,120 Speaker 2: game plan that they want to have a wrinkle, right, 1553 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:30,320 Speaker 2: that's when those guys get out. 1554 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of in that same spot kind of 1555 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: like we talked about with the receivers, I think they 1556 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:35,360 Speaker 1: keep the two tight ends. 1557 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:35,640 Speaker 2: That's it. 1558 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:40,960 Speaker 1: They'll have Ferkser, Lumpkin, Scotti, Washington who they like. I 1559 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,559 Speaker 1: think Bill really likes, Bill spoke highly of and honestly 1560 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,519 Speaker 1: Matt Sokol like. So that's what four options you have, 1561 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,679 Speaker 1: and they'll promote those guys as needed throughout the season. 1562 01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,639 Speaker 1: Those guys will be practice squad call ups, so they'll 1563 01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,240 Speaker 1: have a third tight end active on game days. And 1564 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,680 Speaker 1: then if and when he gets the point, you know, 1565 01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 1: somebody goes on ir they want to keep a third 1566 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,240 Speaker 1: tight end on the roster more regularly, then they'll they'll 1567 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,080 Speaker 1: sign somebody, but I think to start the season it'll 1568 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:05,400 Speaker 1: be mostly practice squad. Copps his third tight end, and 1569 01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,759 Speaker 1: you know, they're all kind of they're all slightly different players. 1570 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,679 Speaker 1: Washington's a hybrid wide receiver, So Washington's interesting. 1571 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of Washington because I 1572 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 2: just he he and I I want to say this 1573 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,639 Speaker 2: for what my I'm writing tomorrow, but I'm gonna say 1574 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,000 Speaker 2: it here too. He makes these above the rim catches 1575 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,760 Speaker 2: that like remind me of like Rob Williams catching an alley, 1576 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 2: you like, where his catch radius is like literally insane. 1577 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Do you know who he reminds me of? Do you 1578 01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:34,760 Speaker 1: remember Tim Wright? 1579 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1580 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,000 Speaker 2: I remember him, right, But I feel like that Scottie 1581 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,280 Speaker 2: Washington has like even more of a vertical element tim 1582 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,719 Speaker 2: Wright does. He's a bas he's playing basketball. He's literally 1583 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:45,519 Speaker 2: catching a lot. 1584 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,880 Speaker 1: Well remember the play he made last year. Yeah, it's 1585 01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,880 Speaker 1: it's but. 1586 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,040 Speaker 2: But he's not I don't know if he's good enough 1587 01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,320 Speaker 2: at anything else to make an NFL roster Like that's 1588 01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,559 Speaker 2: cool in all, and he's gonna have these like highlight 1589 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,960 Speaker 2: reel plays in practice. You know, Devin mccorty said he 1590 01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,240 Speaker 2: made him on scout team last year, But is that 1591 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,360 Speaker 2: an NFL rosterable player. 1592 01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,679 Speaker 1: Well, if let's say you keep on the practice squad, 1593 01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,920 Speaker 1: yeah right, you're having some trouble in the red zone 1594 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,360 Speaker 1: early in the year, Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, elevate him. 1595 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,240 Speaker 1: So that that's my point, Like, I think him he's 1596 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: kind of a hybrid tight end receiver. Yeah, Ferks, there's 1597 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,439 Speaker 1: a hybrid tight end fullback for Lumpkin's a hybrid tight 1598 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 1: end lineman, right, and Matt Solkole's basically just back up. Right, 1599 01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:30,200 Speaker 1: He's basically just a backup Hunter hands. I think it's fair. 1600 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,439 Speaker 1: The point, well, he's wearing eighty seven, but we don't 1601 01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,120 Speaker 1: think it's the other guy. No, The point being, they 1602 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,439 Speaker 1: kind of have all the bases covered there. Yeah, so 1603 01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,160 Speaker 1: they can kind of go maybe one week, Hey, we 1604 01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,679 Speaker 1: really need to run the ball this week. We're gonna 1605 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,920 Speaker 1: elevate Lumpkin. Another week, Hey, they have a really good 1606 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,880 Speaker 1: red zone defense. We're gonna elevate Scotty Washington another week. Hey, 1607 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, Hunter, Henry's coming into this game a little 1608 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,000 Speaker 1: banged up. We're gonna elevate Matt Sokle in case you 1609 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:51,840 Speaker 1: need him. I think they keep all those guys on 1610 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,439 Speaker 1: the practice squad, so it's four players, three elevations each. 1611 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,759 Speaker 1: That gets it through twelve weeks. Yeah, so that's pretty 1612 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: and by then you kind of have a really good 1613 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,479 Speaker 1: idea of what you're gonna be at. 1614 01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,080 Speaker 2: If it gets to the point where somebody really is 1615 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,280 Speaker 2: playing well, there's always injuries, there's always something that opens 1616 01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,439 Speaker 2: a roster spot and you sign it. 1617 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,200 Speaker 1: So I I think that's what that third tight end 1618 01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:11,439 Speaker 1: spot is gonna look like it's gonna be on the 1619 01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,360 Speaker 1: practice squad. I think I honestly wouldn't be surprised if 1620 01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,040 Speaker 1: all four of those guys different games. But if all 1621 01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,680 Speaker 1: four of those guys are active for at least one 1622 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:19,479 Speaker 1: game at some point. 1623 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Scottie Washington is just a He's an 1624 01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,719 Speaker 2: interesting player. I don't know what he is. I don't 1625 01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 2: know if, like I said, I don't know if he's 1626 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,799 Speaker 2: Is he well rounded enough to really make an NFL 1627 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,559 Speaker 2: roster yet? I probably not. But some of those catches 1628 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,560 Speaker 2: that he makes above the rim are ridiculous. 1629 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,960 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. They don't who's their 1630 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 1: backup X behind Parker, right, taking Hopkins out of the question. 1631 01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,880 Speaker 2: Right now, Yeah, get sicky. I guess, like, could it 1632 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,439 Speaker 2: be Washington? I guess yeah. I mean, like he's a 1633 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,120 Speaker 2: quality They don't have a ton of depth there. Yeah, 1634 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,600 Speaker 2: he might be, and I'm not necessarily I guess they 1635 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,720 Speaker 2: would probably naturally use Taekwon. They're like if if you're 1636 01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,360 Speaker 2: talking about like true wide receiver eleven persons. 1637 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:03,439 Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, so you're thinking because Bill said 1638 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,760 Speaker 1: that Washington's kind of a hybrid. Yeah, when you look 1639 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,320 Speaker 1: at him in the context, in that context and their 1640 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:13,720 Speaker 1: lack of big, true outside wide receivers, Yeah, there might 1641 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,200 Speaker 1: be some snaps for him there too. 1642 01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:15,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1643 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,800 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that's like a great thing, 1644 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,639 Speaker 1: but that's just the way the rosters. As I said before, 1645 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,519 Speaker 1: the depth falls off quick. I like what they have 1646 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 1: at the top the depth chart, but it falls off quick. 1647 01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,720 Speaker 1: That could be a spot where Scotty Washington factors in. 1648 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the lineman, offensive and defensive line, 1649 01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,320 Speaker 2: and the reason why I put them together is because 1650 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,599 Speaker 2: without pads, I am not going to evaluate we twelve minutes, 1651 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,280 Speaker 2: we can we can go a little bit. 1652 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:41,800 Speaker 1: I was ready for you to say we're gonna do 1653 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:42,639 Speaker 1: defense next week. 1654 01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,680 Speaker 2: No, we can do this a little bit quicker and 1655 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,760 Speaker 2: a little bit go a little long here, offensive and 1656 01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:50,439 Speaker 2: defensive line kind of you know, we're talking more about 1657 01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,600 Speaker 2: like who's playing where than anything in this time of 1658 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,559 Speaker 2: year than really getting into evaluation. My one take on 1659 01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,040 Speaker 2: the offensive line that you know, we've taught, everybody's written 1660 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,479 Speaker 2: about it, We've talked a lot about it. Guys. You know, 1661 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,599 Speaker 2: right now Calvin Anderson's getting the reps at left tackle 1662 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,920 Speaker 2: at Trent Brown situation. We can talk maybe next week 1663 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,720 Speaker 2: more about Trent Brown and in the fallout and all 1664 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,559 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Uh, Riley Reef, Connor McDermott right 1665 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,639 Speaker 2: tackle kind of seemed like Connor McDermott might have gotten 1666 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,400 Speaker 2: more reps with the with the true starters with the 1667 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,920 Speaker 2: ones later on in Minnie Campton. Riley Reef will see 1668 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,280 Speaker 2: what that holds if not, if it does or not. 1669 01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:31,760 Speaker 2: My question with the offensive line, and you know me, 1670 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,960 Speaker 2: I've I've been pretty steadfast that Mike On when he 1671 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,960 Speaker 2: was at guard and should stay at guard. Yeah, And 1672 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,880 Speaker 2: I love the idea now that with Cole Strange in 1673 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,240 Speaker 2: his second year, that could be a really rock solid 1674 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,360 Speaker 2: interior trio the three of those guys across Andrews and 1675 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,439 Speaker 2: in the middle of Strange and On. If this Trent 1676 01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:57,280 Speaker 2: Brown thing goes south, I am not ruling out kicking 1677 01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,760 Speaker 2: on one who back outside either way, I wouldn't rule 1678 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,960 Speaker 2: it out because if they really feel strongly about either 1679 01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,120 Speaker 2: rookie or I guess we can throw Bill Murray in there. 1680 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,400 Speaker 2: But I'm not seriously taking I'm not taking Bill Murray 1681 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 2: seriously yet. But Mafi in particular intrigues me because he's 1682 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,240 Speaker 2: basically got the same exact body type as Mike on Winnu. Right, 1683 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:27,120 Speaker 2: He's just a block of powerful block at guard. Jake 1684 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,240 Speaker 2: Andrews had a couple of reps at guard too, you know, 1685 01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,759 Speaker 2: up with the ones. If you feel really good about 1686 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,040 Speaker 2: either one of those guys at guard and you're a 1687 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,880 Speaker 2: mess at tackle, why not, you know, why not think 1688 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,640 Speaker 2: about it? With on Wnu kicking him back outside that 1689 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,519 Speaker 2: might solve a spot, probably right tackle. You know, he 1690 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,160 Speaker 2: probably goes back out to the right side. And now 1691 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,080 Speaker 2: between Trent Brown, Calvin Anderson, Ryley Reef, and Connor McDermott, 1692 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,679 Speaker 2: you have to come up with one left tackle. Right, 1693 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,800 Speaker 2: You got four guys to find one left tackle. Can 1694 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,320 Speaker 2: you do it? I think so. So that sort of 1695 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,720 Speaker 2: where I'm at. I'm as worried about it tackle as 1696 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,280 Speaker 2: everybody else is. My fear, though, is not necessarily like, 1697 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,599 Speaker 2: oh God, they're gonna get Mac Jones killed and this 1698 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,599 Speaker 2: is going to be a mess. My fear now I'm 1699 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,600 Speaker 2: not there because I think that they're coaching will be 1700 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,960 Speaker 2: good enough to mask it. My problem is is that 1701 01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:20,280 Speaker 2: I would much rather Bill O'Brien in his bag in 1702 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,120 Speaker 2: other areas and not having to coach around. 1703 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Okay, that's right, that's a fair way to put it. 1704 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. First of all. Yeah, I 1705 01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,280 Speaker 1: just even if Trent Brown is one tackle and he 1706 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,040 Speaker 1: can play either side, and that's the value in this 1707 01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,879 Speaker 1: because if between Calvin Anderson, Riley Reef and Conraich Dermott, 1708 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,120 Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson is the best player, you can still put 1709 01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:48,080 Speaker 1: your best five out there. But if Trent Brown is 1710 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,719 Speaker 1: one guy, which he generally doesn't play a full season 1711 01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,519 Speaker 1: you still need, you're still going with. 1712 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 2: Two. 1713 01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to say journeyman tackles because they're young, 1714 01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,320 Speaker 1: but like two guys who've been spot starters. Yeah, and 1715 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,840 Speaker 1: a guy entering his age thirty five season in Riley Reeve, 1716 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,559 Speaker 1: and I don't feel great about that. I'm almost at 1717 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,360 Speaker 1: the point where not almost I am. I kinda want 1718 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,080 Speaker 1: to see them sign DJ Flucker Evan. I do not 1719 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,519 Speaker 1: necessarily because not necessarily because I think he's definitely the 1720 01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,080 Speaker 1: answer or anything. I really don't think he is. But yeah, 1721 01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,120 Speaker 1: if you're gonna take a bunch of fifty to fifty shots. 1722 01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,840 Speaker 1: The more shots, yeah, have the higher chance he hit 1723 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,439 Speaker 1: on something. The other thing about Flucker is if Mafi's 1724 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,000 Speaker 1: not ready, you still have the option to kick mike 1725 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,519 Speaker 1: O and Wenu out to right tackle. And you have 1726 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,040 Speaker 1: a guy that's played right guard in the NFL and Flucker. Yeah, 1727 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,760 Speaker 1: and he can certainly play that role as well. I 1728 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,000 Speaker 1: think either way on win who should be considered it 1729 01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:37,559 Speaker 1: right tackle? 1730 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,080 Speaker 2: Me too. 1731 01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:39,519 Speaker 1: He's certainly good out. 1732 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,040 Speaker 2: I hate that, like I've been really reluctant on that 1733 01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:43,400 Speaker 2: right but I think it's it's. 1734 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,439 Speaker 1: It's clearly your best five if he's at right tackle. Mafy, 1735 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,559 Speaker 1: I know he can't really gauge offensive lineman thus far. 1736 01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,439 Speaker 1: The one thing I'll say from Mafi at six two 1737 01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,400 Speaker 1: three thirty, he moves really well. He gets around. They 1738 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,439 Speaker 1: were doing some things with like screens and stuff where 1739 01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,760 Speaker 1: he had a poll and he's getting on front. Yeah, 1740 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,479 Speaker 1: and his footwork solid. All of that that doesn't change 1741 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,519 Speaker 1: a ton when you introduce contact, So it's it feels 1742 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:08,200 Speaker 1: worth a shot. 1743 01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. It just goes back to something that 1744 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,000 Speaker 2: that Scar would always talk about too, is just your 1745 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,519 Speaker 2: best five might not always be what you thought it was. 1746 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,040 Speaker 2: Like you know, like it's like, all right, you know, 1747 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,800 Speaker 2: what's our best five? It might be on WHENU at 1748 01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,240 Speaker 2: tackle and Mafi at guard, right or. 1749 01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,240 Speaker 1: That's what That's what I think. I really think it 1750 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:30,000 Speaker 1: might be right. 1751 01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,840 Speaker 2: And it kind of goes back to twenty one when 1752 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,920 Speaker 2: On when he went to the bench and Ted Carris 1753 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,760 Speaker 2: came in and everybody was like, what the hell right? 1754 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 2: It was just but it just worked. It worked. The 1755 01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,240 Speaker 2: continuity was there. You know, they were playing on a string. 1756 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,840 Speaker 2: They were playing well. And even though Ted Carris wasn't 1757 01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:51,000 Speaker 2: necessarily a more talented or better lineman than Mike On, WHENU, 1758 01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,120 Speaker 2: the five man unit worked together right. And I feel 1759 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,240 Speaker 2: like maybe that that could be the case with kicking 1760 01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:01,599 Speaker 2: on when you back out to tackle. I I thought 1761 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,400 Speaker 2: originally that Jake Andrews might be a rookie red shirt, 1762 01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,599 Speaker 2: you know, ir type guy Foxborough. FLU still think that's 1763 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,599 Speaker 2: maybe possible, but he he might be the backup center 1764 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,320 Speaker 2: right away, and so that that would be interesting to see, 1765 01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:20,040 Speaker 2: if you know, between Russy and Farrence, can he beat 1766 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,360 Speaker 2: out either one of those guys for the backup center job. 1767 01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,120 Speaker 2: I think it's possible. Uh, Do you want to keep 1768 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,200 Speaker 2: going or do you want to want to punt defense 1769 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:27,800 Speaker 2: next week. 1770 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,120 Speaker 1: Just one quick observation, Well, I want to get into 1771 01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,479 Speaker 1: the defense, but yeah, I can do defensive line real quick. 1772 01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,360 Speaker 1: One thought, Christian Barmore looks really good. He looks healthy. 1773 01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he was healthy when he came back 1774 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,840 Speaker 1: last year after a strong start to the season. 1775 01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that he's been here too. Yeah, he's 1776 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,120 Speaker 2: been here all off season. 1777 01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:44,880 Speaker 1: If he's healthy, that's a great sign. 1778 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,559 Speaker 2: Yeah sign. Yeah, he's been here all off season, which 1779 01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,960 Speaker 2: is good. A couple of things for me on the 1780 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,960 Speaker 2: defensive line, why I mean I count Keon Wise's defensive 1781 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:54,679 Speaker 2: line man. He's playing up on the edge a little 1782 01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:59,000 Speaker 2: bit too. He I wasn't like too high on that 1783 01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:04,080 Speaker 2: draft pick, as you were. I'm still not totally sold. 1784 01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:08,000 Speaker 2: But he's he's winning me over. He's winning me over slowly. 1785 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,160 Speaker 2: I think the one thing that I that he has 1786 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 2: a little bit more first step juice than maybe I 1787 01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,559 Speaker 2: gave him credit for. I like his flexibility to stand 1788 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,439 Speaker 2: up or rush with his hand of the dirt. I 1789 01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,599 Speaker 2: think standing up is probably like a first down thing. 1790 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,040 Speaker 2: I don't want him doing it all the time. I 1791 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,360 Speaker 2: don't think he at two eighty five. He's pretty heavy 1792 01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:27,080 Speaker 2: to be doing that, you know, in space and dropping 1793 01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,160 Speaker 2: and things like that. I don't necessarily see that as 1794 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,280 Speaker 2: part of his game. But when he rushes off the 1795 01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,040 Speaker 2: edge and gets downhill and converts that speed to power, 1796 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,320 Speaker 2: He's got the length, he's got the hand power, he's 1797 01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,600 Speaker 2: got some explosiveness. He's right in the rotation. To me, 1798 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,280 Speaker 2: you know he's going to be right in the rotation. 1799 01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:43,800 Speaker 2: Is he going to be at every down player out 1800 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,800 Speaker 2: of the gate? And no, but I think he's going 1801 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,040 Speaker 2: to be right in that forty to fifty percent range 1802 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,400 Speaker 2: rotating in with the other guys. The other thing i'd 1803 01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:57,880 Speaker 2: say about the defensive line, what is Lawrence Guy's leverage? Like, like, 1804 01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,360 Speaker 2: please tell like, so top, tell me what his left. 1805 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:05,000 Speaker 1: Here's my theory and there's no inside reporting nothing. 1806 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:05,880 Speaker 2: This is just a guess. 1807 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,800 Speaker 1: He's thirty three years old, yeah, down here last year. 1808 01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,439 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's thinking about retiring. And this is 1809 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,120 Speaker 1: simply just well, you know, if you want me to 1810 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,200 Speaker 1: come back, you know you gotta Before he walks away, 1811 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,000 Speaker 1: He'm just gonna see ifn get a little more money. Basically, 1812 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,200 Speaker 1: that's it, and he has all the right in the 1813 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:21,600 Speaker 1: world to do. 1814 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,400 Speaker 2: That's to knock, but like I'm not knocking him or 1815 01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,000 Speaker 2: like crapping on him for trying to know. 1816 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,800 Speaker 1: Football wise, he has very little leverage. He's thirty three 1817 01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,639 Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, he had a down year last year. 1818 01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,200 Speaker 2: He was a he's a gap plugging two gap. 1819 01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,639 Speaker 1: The Patriots have other guys that can do what he does. 1820 01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,800 Speaker 1: They just drafted one. I think on White could certainly 1821 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,200 Speaker 1: handle some of those responsibilities. 1822 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,559 Speaker 2: So you know why has it's gotten better against the run? Right? 1823 01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,840 Speaker 2: They open up far more splashy than he is. 1824 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,160 Speaker 1: They open up two point seven million dollars against the 1825 01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,920 Speaker 1: cap if they move on from him. Yeah, so item 1826 01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,800 Speaker 1: off my ross projection. What I think his leverages is 1827 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,719 Speaker 1: he went to them and said, look, I'm thinking about retiring. 1828 01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,240 Speaker 1: If you can convince me financially to stay around, I'm 1829 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,519 Speaker 1: happy to play another year. But if not, I think 1830 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm done. And players do that from time to time. 1831 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,120 Speaker 1: You see players do that that you know they're fifty 1832 01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:08,679 Speaker 1: to fifty on if they want to play another year, 1833 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,960 Speaker 1: So why not ask for more money if you're gonna 1834 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:11,439 Speaker 1: leave anywhere? 1835 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,360 Speaker 2: Right, But if it's a million bucks, then like whatever. 1836 01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,320 Speaker 2: But if I'm the Patriots I'm not kidding Laurence. 1837 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't think he's sitting there saying, damn it, I 1838 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,680 Speaker 1: deserve to be paid more than I'm getting. Like, I 1839 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,280 Speaker 1: don't think it's that. I think it's like, I'm not 1840 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:24,800 Speaker 1: going back for what they're paying me. Yeah. 1841 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,320 Speaker 2: My fear is is that he thinks that he looks 1842 01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,640 Speaker 2: at Davon Godshaw and is like, why am I not 1843 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:31,720 Speaker 2: getting paid like Davon? 1844 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,400 Speaker 1: That's not like just personally, that doesn't seem to be 1845 01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:36,320 Speaker 1: like the kind of guy he is. 1846 01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,759 Speaker 2: I don't know that's it, like the person his last 1847 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,280 Speaker 2: off season, last training camp that he was a little 1848 01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:47,680 Speaker 2: bit disgruntled about something. And I don't know, I think 1849 01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,040 Speaker 2: that Lawrence guy, I'm not. Look, he's a twenty ten 1850 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:52,639 Speaker 2: decade team Patriot player. 1851 01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,920 Speaker 1: Oh, he's a great player, and he was here, great player, 1852 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,240 Speaker 1: incredible in the community. 1853 01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,599 Speaker 2: Really not trying to like crap all over him. Yeah, 1854 01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:02,080 Speaker 2: I just for the role that he plays, and for 1855 01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,559 Speaker 2: his age and for his effectiveness last year. I just 1856 01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,439 Speaker 2: don't see what he's done to deserve a raise. And 1857 01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:10,160 Speaker 2: that's that's no. 1858 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,719 Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I it even if he did, 1859 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't make a ton of sense. Football wise to 1860 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,679 Speaker 1: do it, because, like I said, they have other guys 1861 01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,599 Speaker 1: that can do that. I think it's just, yeah, there's 1862 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,599 Speaker 1: not outside of him leaving, outside of him saying I'm 1863 01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:27,240 Speaker 1: going to retire. Yeah, there's really no leverage for him all. 1864 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:31,160 Speaker 2: Right, linebackers, h Jawan Bentley looks like Jawan Bentley another guy. 1865 01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,920 Speaker 2: We're just gonna kind of chalk up to that. Before 1866 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:34,639 Speaker 2: I get into. 1867 01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,080 Speaker 1: This, I was gonna say, there's really only one lineback 1868 01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:36,879 Speaker 1: we need to talk. 1869 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:42,000 Speaker 2: Before we get into my guy. Mac Wilson is playing again. Yes, yes, Okay, 1870 01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,760 Speaker 2: that's a point. So Mapoo and we're gonna get into 1871 01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,879 Speaker 2: him in a second, and I'm gonna gush for twenty minutes. 1872 01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:48,880 Speaker 1: And then I'll do another twenty Sorry. 1873 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,960 Speaker 2: Mac Wilson is uh, he was really the one repping 1874 01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,519 Speaker 2: most of the time next to Juwan Bentley, like Mapu is. 1875 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,840 Speaker 2: Still I think they're still trying to figure out if 1876 01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,440 Speaker 2: he's a safety, if he's a linebacker. 1877 01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 1: Where they bet think, Well, there were time all three 1878 01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:02,800 Speaker 1: of them were on the field. There a couple of. 1879 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that for the most part, Mac 1880 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,760 Speaker 2: Wilson's back in the rotation or at least getting the 1881 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,080 Speaker 2: chance to be back in the rotation. Also, Je Devai, 1882 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,320 Speaker 2: who I think is a important player to an extent. 1883 01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,840 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. You're right. 1884 01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:19,639 Speaker 1: No, you're not wrong. 1885 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,400 Speaker 2: They behind Judah and Nuja unless you count Keon White 1886 01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,400 Speaker 2: as an edge. I know you hate that outside linebacker 1887 01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,559 Speaker 2: July Devi is the only other guy that can play 1888 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,840 Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage really out of that group. 1889 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,559 Speaker 1: Andthrey Jennings, well, I'm saying they have seen I have 1890 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,000 Speaker 1: seen absolutely nothing out of and so I wanted to 1891 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: ask you that I don't even know if either one 1892 01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,320 Speaker 1: of those guys practiced for the well the last two weeks, 1893 01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,400 Speaker 1: because this is the big question to me. Perkins R. 1894 01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,960 Speaker 1: I didn't notice them at all. Jennings I noticed because 1895 01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:48,759 Speaker 1: he got in two fights. 1896 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,360 Speaker 2: Good good, So that's what we want. 1897 01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,280 Speaker 1: But the thing is he is one of the few 1898 01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,040 Speaker 1: guys that can play the true edge like that. He 1899 01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:59,120 Speaker 1: did play a key role last year when I was 1900 01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,280 Speaker 1: doing my my Row projection. I was putting it together 1901 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,720 Speaker 1: last night, and this is how I have it right now. 1902 01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,599 Speaker 1: There is still so much time for this to change. 1903 01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:11,080 Speaker 1: The last decision I made came down to mac Wilson, 1904 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:16,360 Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings. I went with Jennings because, again, he was 1905 01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,519 Speaker 1: a starter last year. Mack Wilson didn't play defense for 1906 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,439 Speaker 1: the final five weeks of the year. I kind of 1907 01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,760 Speaker 1: defaulted back to that. But if you wanted to, if 1908 01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,240 Speaker 1: you want to say no, you're wrong, it's gonna be 1909 01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,040 Speaker 1: mack Wilson over Anthony Jennings. 1910 01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,880 Speaker 2: I think it almost has to be mac Wilson just 1911 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,800 Speaker 2: because of a ray Qua McMillan's injury. Like, you're gonna 1912 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,960 Speaker 2: go into this season with the only guys with NFL 1913 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:39,120 Speaker 2: experience as true inside linebackers being Bentley and I guess Tavia, 1914 01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,360 Speaker 2: who's kind of like a cross hybrid between outside and inside. 1915 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,519 Speaker 2: There's just not a lot of depth there. If you 1916 01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:45,400 Speaker 2: don't have mac Wilson. 1917 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,440 Speaker 1: How often are they gonna play linebackers? 1918 01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:49,040 Speaker 2: I think so? 1919 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,559 Speaker 1: In fair your point, I in my it's up ninety 1920 01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,040 Speaker 1: five the Sports of dot Com. I brought up your 1921 01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,840 Speaker 1: point basically by saying they're gonna play six defensive acts 1922 01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,559 Speaker 1: a ton in maybe seven, so I don't remember. In 1923 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, they just didn't play linebackers. Juwan Bentley, I 1924 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,000 Speaker 1: think play it had like a sixty percent usage rate 1925 01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,080 Speaker 1: that year and nobody else over twenty Averredy Jennings. Actually 1926 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,720 Speaker 1: people forget him. They talk about how he didn't do 1927 01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,559 Speaker 1: anything until his third year. He was their second most 1928 01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,400 Speaker 1: used linebacker as a rookie. It's like twenty percent. You 1929 01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,160 Speaker 1: might see something. Oh you're not because Matt Judon is 1930 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,640 Speaker 1: now in the picture, but you might see something like 1931 01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,400 Speaker 1: that again, where there's just not gonna be a ton 1932 01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,919 Speaker 1: of linebackers on the field this year. I'm counting. I'm counting. 1933 01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,679 Speaker 1: Mapoo is his own thing. I'm not including him linebackers. 1934 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,880 Speaker 2: Mapoo is his own thing. Yeah he is. I It's 1935 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:43,680 Speaker 2: been a minute since I've been so excited about a 1936 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,639 Speaker 2: Patriots rookie in the spring. I think the biggest thing 1937 01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:53,200 Speaker 2: with Mapoo is not he plays fast. He plays sideline 1938 01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,160 Speaker 2: the sideline, He's got the range of explosedness. But the 1939 01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:59,200 Speaker 2: biggest thing to me is his anticipation and his instincts. 1940 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,240 Speaker 2: Ability to just read things out and click and close 1941 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,879 Speaker 2: and really see it and go get the football quickly. 1942 01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,400 Speaker 2: Is just a breath of fresh air. I mean, they've 1943 01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,400 Speaker 2: just needed it so badly for so many years now. 1944 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,080 Speaker 2: This to me really feels like such a big difference maker. 1945 01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:21,240 Speaker 2: If he's playing again, I will until the cows come home, 1946 01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,400 Speaker 2: continue to pound this. If he's playing at the second 1947 01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:28,960 Speaker 2: level of the defense, it's a huge, huge difference maker. 1948 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,280 Speaker 2: If they're gonna mess with it and play them at 1949 01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,760 Speaker 2: safety and play them in like a Kyle Duggar type 1950 01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,759 Speaker 2: of role. I can see that that's gonna have overlap 1951 01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:39,599 Speaker 2: to what I want him to do, but it's not. 1952 01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,800 Speaker 2: It's not fully what I want him to do, right, 1953 01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,880 Speaker 2: And I think the biggest thing for him is, like 1954 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:51,920 Speaker 2: you know, all right, spy low hole zones like against 1955 01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,559 Speaker 2: mobile quarterbacks in there, and man the Cover two hole 1956 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,479 Speaker 2: in the middle of the field, right like the Tampa 1957 01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,479 Speaker 2: two linebacker in the middle of the field, the hook 1958 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,639 Speaker 2: defender in Cover three, like those are high stress coverage 1959 01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 2: assignments in the middle of the field and roles in 1960 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,160 Speaker 2: the middle of the field in the passing game that 1961 01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,479 Speaker 2: he can just do so well for them. And I 1962 01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,080 Speaker 2: just look across the league and all the those types 1963 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,760 Speaker 2: of guys like the Fred Warners and the Matt Milanos 1964 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,679 Speaker 2: and you know, Deon Jones before he started to fall off, 1965 01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:25,000 Speaker 2: And that's that's what I continue to see. Mapu's ideal role, 1966 01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,439 Speaker 2: his ability to like go from the middle of the 1967 01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,080 Speaker 2: field and they throw the football in the flat to 1968 01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,439 Speaker 2: the running back or something like that, and he can 1969 01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,160 Speaker 2: just shoot out of a cannon and get to it 1970 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,920 Speaker 2: and make a play on the football. They I don't 1971 01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,600 Speaker 2: like maybe since like prime Jamie Collins, like maybe I 1972 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,879 Speaker 2: don't even know, like well. 1973 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,639 Speaker 1: Liked compare him to Jamie Collins and Dante hie Town. 1974 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:50,479 Speaker 2: I just well, yeah, that's a little bit much. But 1975 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,519 Speaker 2: I just don't know where if they've had that player before. 1976 01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:58,920 Speaker 2: So Mapu is my biggest star of the offseason program. Uh. 1977 01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:02,559 Speaker 2: He looks to me like the missing piece in a 1978 01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,679 Speaker 2: lot of ways to this defense because he gives them 1979 01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:10,439 Speaker 2: speed and range at the second level of the field 1980 01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,479 Speaker 2: from the linebacker spot that they just haven't had. I 1981 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,360 Speaker 2: really feel like he's a guy and I don't want 1982 01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,080 Speaker 2: to like put I'm not putting it all on him 1983 01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,000 Speaker 2: to go stop Josh Allen by himself, but like, to me, 1984 01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,720 Speaker 2: he's exactly the type of guy that that could stop me. 1985 01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,479 Speaker 1: He allows everybody else to more focus on their roles 1986 01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:35,240 Speaker 1: in that game plan. The discussion, debate, argument, whatever you 1987 01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:36,920 Speaker 1: want to call it. We had like three four weeks 1988 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,200 Speaker 1: ago about what Marte mop who was going to be 1989 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,519 Speaker 1: and you had all these lofty ideals and ideas and 1990 01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,479 Speaker 1: I basically said, yeah, it'd be great, but they won't 1991 01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,800 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, yeah, you won you one. You're right, 1992 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:46,400 Speaker 1: they're doing it. 1993 01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,240 Speaker 2: There you go. He admitted. I was right. 1994 01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,360 Speaker 1: You're right. 1995 01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:51,000 Speaker 2: You were right. 1996 01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:55,400 Speaker 1: I didn't think they will I was wrong. I was 1997 01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:57,640 Speaker 1: wrong more than you were right. You just said you 1998 01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,320 Speaker 1: said you wanted them to do it. I said, that's great, 1999 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:00,160 Speaker 1: but they won't turn that. 2000 01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:03,439 Speaker 2: They did. Yeah, So they they did some. I mentioned 2001 01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,840 Speaker 2: it earlier when we were briefly talking about Maie cutting him. 2002 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,720 Speaker 2: They did some nine on seven in this camp where 2003 01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,760 Speaker 2: they were they were practicing against read option and McSorley 2004 01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,240 Speaker 2: was running it a little bit too, as the quarterback 2005 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,080 Speaker 2: to read option quarterback. First of all, just on on 2006 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,680 Speaker 2: a on one note, I love that they're doing that 2007 01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,760 Speaker 2: already because clearly they recognize that they're going to see 2008 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,519 Speaker 2: this a lot now and they're gonna have they have 2009 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,800 Speaker 2: to practice this in the spring like this is something 2010 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,960 Speaker 2: that they had to drill out of the gate. So 2011 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,439 Speaker 2: I love that they're doing that just because they're going 2012 01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,559 Speaker 2: to see so much of it. But the second thing 2013 01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:40,559 Speaker 2: is is watching uh Mapu just be the weak side chaser, 2014 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,800 Speaker 2: if you will. That awesome, just like awesome that he 2015 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,280 Speaker 2: just like watching him go out there. And I talked 2016 01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,880 Speaker 2: to him and I asked him about, uh, you know, 2017 01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,080 Speaker 2: what it was like to do that and and whatnot, 2018 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,759 Speaker 2: and he just mentioned that he felt like in college 2019 01:33:58,040 --> 01:33:59,840 Speaker 2: he had to take over, like he had to do 2020 01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,040 Speaker 2: everything all the time, and in the pros he's able 2021 01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:04,760 Speaker 2: to just do what he's good at, right and just 2022 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,679 Speaker 2: like focus on his job and his assignment. I really 2023 01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,439 Speaker 2: am very excited about Mapu. I think he's gonna be 2024 01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,800 Speaker 2: a big time player for them. Let's talk about the 2025 01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:16,080 Speaker 2: safety because it kind of goes hand in hand with yeah, 2026 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,599 Speaker 2: I think. Yeah. So I know that there's a lot 2027 01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,600 Speaker 2: to be made about the disguising. There's a lot to 2028 01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,960 Speaker 2: be made about all the mixing and matching and who's 2029 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,920 Speaker 2: playing where and you know, smoking mirrors, things like that, 2030 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,800 Speaker 2: spin the dial. I I like it too. At the 2031 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,519 Speaker 2: end of the day, I think that it's ultimately though, 2032 01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,679 Speaker 2: going to come down to, you know, our football players 2033 01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,839 Speaker 2: against your football players. They can do all the disguise, 2034 01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,400 Speaker 2: and they can do all the rotating, they can do 2035 01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:42,960 Speaker 2: all the spin the dial that they want, but you know, 2036 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:44,200 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's going to come 2037 01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,479 Speaker 2: down to our best against your best, and who's that 2038 01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,680 Speaker 2: you know. Finding that right sort of marriage between all 2039 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:55,400 Speaker 2: of these different similar players, honestly similar body types, I 2040 01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,360 Speaker 2: think it's going to be important to me. It all 2041 01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,640 Speaker 2: starts with Kyle Dugger, Like, I think Kyle Dugger is 2042 01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,679 Speaker 2: the center piece of it all because I think Kyle 2043 01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,840 Speaker 2: Duggar is really the true guy that I trust the 2044 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:06,680 Speaker 2: most and kind of want the most to be in 2045 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,639 Speaker 2: the back end at free safety and then obviously spin 2046 01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,040 Speaker 2: and move off of that as well. I'm also really excited, 2047 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,679 Speaker 2: you know. I know everybody had a lot of good 2048 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,960 Speaker 2: things to say from Bill about Jabriel Peppers and things 2049 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,920 Speaker 2: like that will get to him too. I'm really excited 2050 01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,000 Speaker 2: about Jaalen. This this move for Jalen Mills. I think 2051 01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:28,080 Speaker 2: that for Jalen Mills, this is gonna be better both 2052 01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,960 Speaker 2: for him and for the football team to be playing 2053 01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,200 Speaker 2: more of like a slot safety hybrid role. We saw 2054 01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,720 Speaker 2: him playing some on the tight ends, we saw him 2055 01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,720 Speaker 2: playing someone with a slot, we saw him playing some 2056 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,840 Speaker 2: deep It just seems like that's just like a natural 2057 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,400 Speaker 2: spot for him, Like he just looks more comfortable there, 2058 01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:47,280 Speaker 2: looks more effective there, and it does give them still 2059 01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,840 Speaker 2: that flexibility to rotate him into the boundary to really 2060 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,800 Speaker 2: spit it on a quarterback if they want to do that. 2061 01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,599 Speaker 2: It also gives them a flexibility if somebody gets hurt 2062 01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:59,160 Speaker 2: at corner, that he can still go back out to corner, right, 2063 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,519 Speaker 2: So he's a only valuable player and all this as well, Uh, 2064 01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:04,679 Speaker 2: that's kind of the safeties to me. You know, Pepper's 2065 01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:06,720 Speaker 2: it looks good and it looks like he's going to 2066 01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,160 Speaker 2: be a contributor, but they're still going to have to 2067 01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:13,120 Speaker 2: figure out communication is going to be obviously key in 2068 01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,519 Speaker 2: there in the back end, and at the end of 2069 01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:17,639 Speaker 2: the day, somebody is gonna have to play center fields, 2070 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,240 Speaker 2: you know, and who is the best at that I 2071 01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:21,439 Speaker 2: still think remains to be seen. 2072 01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,639 Speaker 1: Well, So I fought it for so long because they've 2073 01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,639 Speaker 1: they've said for years pretty much as long as we've 2074 01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:27,960 Speaker 1: been covering the team that you know, we're not corners, 2075 01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,280 Speaker 1: we're not safeties, we're defensive backs. And I've struggled as 2076 01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,800 Speaker 1: much as possible to from covering the team point of 2077 01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,040 Speaker 1: view to kind of split them we can't. 2078 01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,200 Speaker 2: We can't this year. We can't. They're they're defensive backs. 2079 01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:40,280 Speaker 1: Because to get to your point about the safeties, especially 2080 01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:44,080 Speaker 1: with the communication, who's their longest tenured defensive back, it's 2081 01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:48,400 Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones. Yeah, he might be the answer there. And 2082 01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,040 Speaker 1: we saw them get into this sum later in the spring. 2083 01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still want them in the I know you do. 2084 01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:57,519 Speaker 1: But there's there's a chain reaction here. Christian is also 2085 01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:58,599 Speaker 1: is gonna be one boundary corner. 2086 01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,840 Speaker 2: That's a thing. Yeah. If Jack Jones, yeah, he's my 2087 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:02,960 Speaker 2: other big, big star. 2088 01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,519 Speaker 1: So if and he was good, If Jack Jones can 2089 01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,000 Speaker 1: hold it down on the other side, and by the way, 2090 01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,679 Speaker 1: they're a little thin at boundary corner, i'd like maybe 2091 01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:11,400 Speaker 1: it's Jalen Mills. 2092 01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,920 Speaker 2: I think the guy, the fourth guy. 2093 01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,679 Speaker 1: Okay, but if if so, your Christians was on one side, 2094 01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:19,240 Speaker 1: if Jack Jones can be the guy on the other 2095 01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,240 Speaker 1: that allows you to play Jonathan Jones is the deep 2096 01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:27,599 Speaker 1: safety who can use his experience as football IQ. But 2097 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,880 Speaker 1: just listen to me for a second. Just listen to there. 2098 01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,240 Speaker 1: You kind of glossed over all the weird stuff they're 2099 01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,599 Speaker 1: doing with like and weird in a good way. Different 2100 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:38,440 Speaker 1: guys lining up in different spots and all these exotic rotations. 2101 01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:39,960 Speaker 1: They didn't do an install. 2102 01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:40,800 Speaker 2: They picked up. 2103 01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,640 Speaker 1: Where they left off last year. They were on like 2104 01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,439 Speaker 1: step six when everybody else on step one. To do 2105 01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,519 Speaker 1: all that, everybody has to be on the same page. 2106 01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,599 Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna be better than that at that than Jonathan Jones. 2107 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,719 Speaker 1: If Jack Jones can be your second boundary corner, Jonathan 2108 01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,479 Speaker 1: Jones can play on the back end, Marcus Jones in 2109 01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:01,719 Speaker 1: the slot that allows you to use Kyle Duggar, Adrian Phillips, 2110 01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,840 Speaker 1: and Marte mop who as basically jokers, not that's a 2111 01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,120 Speaker 1: good Jokers natural football term like the Joker card and depth. 2112 01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:13,160 Speaker 1: Jokers wild can be anything. They Ultimately they should play 2113 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,840 Speaker 1: everybody everywhere. We talked about it on offense, how like 2114 01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,280 Speaker 1: you can kind of disguise things with MIKEA. Sicki and 2115 01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,600 Speaker 1: Tom Montgomery. That should be tenfold on defense. Once you 2116 01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:26,040 Speaker 1: could have the same personnel out there one snap, the 2117 01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,720 Speaker 1: next snap, it's the exact same personnel, but everybody's in 2118 01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,040 Speaker 1: a different position. You can do that and realistic. They 2119 01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:33,240 Speaker 1: should do it well, and they should do it. But 2120 01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,600 Speaker 1: what I just described that is an elite elite secondary. 2121 01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:40,800 Speaker 1: If all of those guys can live up to what 2122 01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:41,599 Speaker 1: we think they can. 2123 01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:45,639 Speaker 2: It's a good group. I just I'm not quite as 2124 01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,240 Speaker 2: high on the disguising part of it as everybody else is, 2125 01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:53,400 Speaker 2: because my at the end of the day, Josh Allen, 2126 01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,280 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahoomer, this is just let me finish. These guys 2127 01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:02,720 Speaker 2: are immune to it. But remembering what will happen is no, no, 2128 01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,759 Speaker 2: what will happen is is they'll spin the freaking dial. 2129 01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,080 Speaker 2: They'll break the thing off right against Josh Allen and 2130 01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,960 Speaker 2: he'll freaking hold the ball and they won't get him 2131 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,599 Speaker 2: on the ground and he'll turn it into playground bullshit 2132 01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:15,280 Speaker 2: and it won't matter. 2133 01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:19,280 Speaker 1: So two things right, One? Three things nice swear you 2134 01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:20,200 Speaker 1: did two? 2135 01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:20,760 Speaker 2: Sorry, Matt. 2136 01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,679 Speaker 1: That's why Marte mop who's here, right? We just talked 2137 01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:24,120 Speaker 1: about that. 2138 01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,880 Speaker 2: I don't think there is the best quarterback you. I 2139 01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,720 Speaker 2: don't think the disguising works. I don't against Mahomes maybe not. 2140 01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,400 Speaker 2: Do you remember that when we did the shows before 2141 01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,080 Speaker 2: the Bills game last year, you were talking about spin 2142 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,720 Speaker 2: the dial and it didn't work. 2143 01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:39,920 Speaker 1: No, you came on the next week and said it worked. 2144 01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:40,599 Speaker 2: It didn't work. 2145 01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,479 Speaker 1: You came on the next week and said it work. 2146 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,240 Speaker 1: When you said that they had him confused, they did. 2147 01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:48,880 Speaker 1: They had him second guessing a little bit. Maybe they 2148 01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,960 Speaker 1: forced him in that second game. The second game is 2149 01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:56,120 Speaker 1: the special teams touchdowns. That first game they held him 2150 01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:57,800 Speaker 1: the twenty four points. And you're gonna sit here and 2151 01:39:57,800 --> 01:39:59,120 Speaker 1: tell me because they ran the clock in the second 2152 01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,719 Speaker 1: half because they could because the offense didn't do anything. 2153 01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,200 Speaker 1: The offense needs to be better for them to beat 2154 01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,200 Speaker 1: the Bills, period, it does. That has nothing to do 2155 01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:09,800 Speaker 1: with the defense. The spinning the die of work. I'm 2156 01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,320 Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say it doesn't work. It 2157 01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,840 Speaker 1: works because I also don't think they're gonna spin the 2158 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,400 Speaker 1: dial on the conventional sets. I think this defense is 2159 01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,599 Speaker 1: capable of doing some things we've never seen done before. Yeah, 2160 01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:21,479 Speaker 1: I'll go that far. 2161 01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,760 Speaker 2: I guess, to me, what I'm more excited about, and 2162 01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,880 Speaker 2: I don't disagree, But what about all the versatility and 2163 01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,240 Speaker 2: the spin the I don't disagree. I just think what 2164 01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:34,400 Speaker 2: I'm more excited about is that the overall talent level 2165 01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:37,080 Speaker 2: of the group is improving, and it starts with Christian 2166 01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:40,360 Speaker 2: Gonzales obviously, who's out there as the number one corner 2167 01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,439 Speaker 2: at this point in time, I think Gonzal, Look, the 2168 01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,240 Speaker 2: guy's a ballerina on a football. Yeah, he moves like 2169 01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:50,519 Speaker 2: a freaking ballerina. I think for him, he's certainly gonna 2170 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,240 Speaker 2: be more like living your hip pocket type of corner 2171 01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:57,840 Speaker 2: than a splash play corner. But his consistency to take 2172 01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,200 Speaker 2: the number one guy or to take the number two like, 2173 01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,080 Speaker 2: whatever way they want to dip it up. His consistency 2174 01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:05,920 Speaker 2: on the outside, I don't want to get too caught 2175 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,640 Speaker 2: up in is he getna cover a J. Browsey and 2176 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,680 Speaker 2: covered DeVante Smith whatever like? On the outside. His consistency 2177 01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,160 Speaker 2: on his side of the field is going to allow 2178 01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:19,840 Speaker 2: Jack Jones to be a ballhawk and be essentially their J. C. Jackson, Right, 2179 01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:23,240 Speaker 2: and just he's gonna have if Jack Jones keeps his 2180 01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:27,880 Speaker 2: head on and is healthy, he's gonna have I think 2181 01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,599 Speaker 2: five six, seven, eight picks this year, right, and that 2182 01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:36,240 Speaker 2: that really makes them multiple and uh makes them you 2183 01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:38,880 Speaker 2: know that much better. And then it comes to the 2184 01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:43,360 Speaker 2: slot and again not you know, I keep saying it 2185 01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,160 Speaker 2: when I say something negative about a player, not trashing 2186 01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,439 Speaker 2: on him, I don't mean to, you know, pick on 2187 01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:53,639 Speaker 2: Miles Bryant. But they are now evolved past Miles Bryant, 2188 01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:55,519 Speaker 2: Like they don't need to play Miles Bryan as much 2189 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,639 Speaker 2: as they've been playing him. And now Jonathan Jones, whether 2190 01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,439 Speaker 2: he's the slot or Marcus Jones in the slot, they 2191 01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:04,040 Speaker 2: now have a better player there. So they have a 2192 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:06,960 Speaker 2: better boundary corner in Christian Gonzalez, they have a better 2193 01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:10,320 Speaker 2: slot corner, and either John Jones or Marcus Jones, and 2194 01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:13,639 Speaker 2: they still have the multiplicity and and the hybrid players 2195 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,360 Speaker 2: in the back end. That's what makes me excited because, 2196 01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,280 Speaker 2: like I just said, when they go against Patrick Mahomes 2197 01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,720 Speaker 2: and they go against Josh Allen, we'll see about Justin 2198 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,719 Speaker 2: Herbert if he's can solve this yet this Rubik's Cube 2199 01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:30,320 Speaker 2: of Bill Belatricks yet. But those types of guys they 2200 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:34,320 Speaker 2: win so often in those second reaction playground plays that, yeah, 2201 01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,439 Speaker 2: you might be able to spend the dial on them 2202 01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:40,000 Speaker 2: so that the initial play call fails on them, but 2203 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,000 Speaker 2: they'll just they'll just run around right and they'll you know, 2204 01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,479 Speaker 2: they'll they'll figure it out and they'll make stuff happen. 2205 01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,760 Speaker 2: So what you really need is you need guys that 2206 01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:50,880 Speaker 2: can lock it down. You need guys that can cover 2207 01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:53,360 Speaker 2: Steffan Diggs. You need guys that can play out of 2208 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,080 Speaker 2: the slot more consistently than Miles Brian in coverage. You 2209 01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,000 Speaker 2: need guys that can go out there and win their 2210 01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:01,680 Speaker 2: matchups that way. There, when you win matchups, that's when 2211 01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,519 Speaker 2: Josh Allen holds the football for too long, right, and 2212 01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,679 Speaker 2: that's okay. That's when Josh Uca comes. That's when Matthew 2213 01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:10,760 Speaker 2: Judon comes. That's when the guys Marty Mapu comes in 2214 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,080 Speaker 2: the spy and it comes and closes and makes play 2215 01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,920 Speaker 2: on him. That's what gets me excited is just that 2216 01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,360 Speaker 2: this group in the back end is better than they 2217 01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:22,680 Speaker 2: were last year. Starts with Gonzales. The two second year 2218 01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,479 Speaker 2: Joneses are coming on well as well as we saw 2219 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,519 Speaker 2: at the end of last year. It's a fun group. 2220 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,800 Speaker 2: I said on p I'll say it here. I think 2221 01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,360 Speaker 2: the Patriots defense has a chance to be the best 2222 01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,720 Speaker 2: defense in the league. And I don't mean just like 2223 01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:40,320 Speaker 2: beating up the Sam Howells of their schedule. I mean really, 2224 01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,479 Speaker 2: and I don't mean holding Buffalo in Kansas City to 2225 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:47,080 Speaker 2: thirteen points. But I mean like we come away from 2226 01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:51,320 Speaker 2: those games being like they were really, really competitive defensively 2227 01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:54,920 Speaker 2: against and not the fake competitive like the real competitive 2228 01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:55,880 Speaker 2: against those teams. 2229 01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you still San Francisco, you still a Philly. 2230 01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,639 Speaker 1: I would say this really good shot the best defense 2231 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,200 Speaker 1: in the AFC. It's them, the Steelers and the Jets. 2232 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:04,600 Speaker 1: That's that's pretty much it for me. 2233 01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:08,120 Speaker 2: I think I think they have a better front than 2234 01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,120 Speaker 2: the Jets. I think the Jets still does. Jets have 2235 01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,160 Speaker 2: a great scheme. Yeah, they have a great system, and 2236 01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:15,640 Speaker 2: Sauce is probably the best corner out of anybody in 2237 01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:19,280 Speaker 2: this group. But I think that they they might have 2238 01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:20,040 Speaker 2: a better front than. 2239 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,880 Speaker 1: They definitely have the complete because it's funny you say 2240 01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:25,400 Speaker 1: that about the Jets. The Steelers have the better front, 2241 01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:29,000 Speaker 1: right the secondary they have MAKA obviously, but the corners aren't. 2242 01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,160 Speaker 1: You combine the two of them, the Patriots are the 2243 01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:33,719 Speaker 1: most well rounded. I think those are. 2244 01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:36,920 Speaker 2: The Patriots have depth and talented all three levels of 2245 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,479 Speaker 2: this defense. And it's just and this isn't like a 2246 01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,960 Speaker 2: Homer take either. I've seen people nationally, like you know, 2247 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,439 Speaker 2: Mina Kimes is really high on the Patriots defense right now. 2248 01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:48,280 Speaker 2: I've seen other people talk about this Patriots defense. They 2249 01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,960 Speaker 2: have real, really good players at all. 2250 01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,640 Speaker 1: So I think the one thing is again, So I 2251 01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:58,240 Speaker 1: think those are the three best defenses. These Steelers have TJ. 2252 01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:02,200 Speaker 1: Watt eng and if it's Patrick, the Jets have Sauce 2253 01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:06,919 Speaker 1: and Quinn Williams. Yeah, the Patriots finished sentenced. The Patriots 2254 01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:14,360 Speaker 1: have Matthew Judin and potential options here. 2255 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,760 Speaker 2: I think I hear your point that maybe they're a 2256 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,599 Speaker 2: little bit more unproven in that. No. 2257 01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:22,360 Speaker 1: No, my point is like, is there might actually so. 2258 01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,120 Speaker 2: They have even more depth than those teams. 2259 01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:26,920 Speaker 1: Do they have they have more depth? No? The thing is, 2260 01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:30,040 Speaker 1: do they have that second true star on defense, the 2261 01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:33,320 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be the all Pro conversation with Matthew 2262 01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:33,760 Speaker 1: jude On? 2263 01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:38,120 Speaker 2: So there, Kyle Duger, I don't know if he's all 2264 01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,920 Speaker 2: Pro conversations. That's safety spots so deep across the league. 2265 01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:44,439 Speaker 1: Okay, here, all right, let me rephrase that, Uh t J. 2266 01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,880 Speaker 1: Watt top five a disposition? Yeah right, make if it's 2267 01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:50,799 Speaker 1: Patrick top five disposition, uh Sauce Gardener top five disposition, 2268 01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,679 Speaker 1: Quinn Williams top five disposition, Matthew Judon's top five disposition. 2269 01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:56,360 Speaker 1: Is there another guy along with Judaan on this defense 2270 01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:57,639 Speaker 1: that at the end of the year we will say 2271 01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,840 Speaker 1: was top five in his position? There's a couple of 2272 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,679 Speaker 1: guys who maybe needle their way into the conversation. Kyle 2273 01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:08,280 Speaker 1: Duggar could could, I'm gonna say Christian Barmore could. 2274 01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a deep spot. I know. 2275 01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:13,120 Speaker 1: But and here's where maybe I'm getting a little ahead 2276 01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:16,400 Speaker 1: of myself. But I don't care. Are you gonna say 2277 01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,000 Speaker 1: Chritian Zalees, I'm gonna say Chritian Salez No, not yet, 2278 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:19,599 Speaker 1: not yet? 2279 01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,519 Speaker 2: So good. He's he's he looks, he looks the part. 2280 01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,400 Speaker 1: But is there anybody else that you think maybe he 2281 01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:26,360 Speaker 1: gets into the conversation. 2282 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:27,320 Speaker 2: Not yet. 2283 01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:30,360 Speaker 1: Sauce has only played one year. We're putting him there. 2284 01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he Yeah, that's fair. 2285 01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying is right now. I'm saying at the 2286 01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,400 Speaker 1: end of the year, when we go back and look 2287 01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,640 Speaker 1: at let's talk. Could Christian Gonzalez have a yer like 2288 01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:42,599 Speaker 1: sauceted last year? 2289 01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,000 Speaker 2: Maybe not the on ball production because. 2290 01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:47,839 Speaker 1: I don't because he's a different kind of impact. 2291 01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, you know. I always then there you go. 2292 01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:52,160 Speaker 2: The comp that I always go back to with Gonzales 2293 01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:52,759 Speaker 2: is certain. 2294 01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:56,160 Speaker 1: Can Is there a chance at the end of the year, 2295 01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about Matthew Judon and Christian Zalez. Like we 2296 01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,080 Speaker 1: talked about t J. Watt and Mike Fitzpatrick, it's possible 2297 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,360 Speaker 1: that's and then there you go. Then that's my point, Like, 2298 01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:05,960 Speaker 1: that's that's the one thing they're missing stacked up to 2299 01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:10,200 Speaker 1: those other two defenses, is that second, you know, checkmate player. 2300 01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,479 Speaker 1: But I think they have guys that have the potential 2301 01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:14,679 Speaker 1: to be that guy. So been yet, but we'll see. 2302 01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:19,400 Speaker 2: So maybe the checkmate player, maybe he's a situational checkmate player. 2303 01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:21,680 Speaker 2: But I think J has a chance to be made. 2304 01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:23,639 Speaker 1: So that's it. Because that's two pass rushers. 2305 01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:25,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean eleven half sacks last year is 2306 01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:26,160 Speaker 2: eleven and half. 2307 01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:28,479 Speaker 1: That's and they were all on the second half of 2308 01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:28,800 Speaker 1: the season. 2309 01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,360 Speaker 2: That's fair. I'll give you that. All right, let's take 2310 01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:32,040 Speaker 2: this one last phone call and then we'll get to 2311 01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,800 Speaker 2: your your specialist. You're five minutes on the specialist. All right, 2312 01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,960 Speaker 2: all right, William, you gotta go quickly. We're we're really 2313 01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,439 Speaker 2: running long here. What's up, no problem? 2314 01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:40,960 Speaker 3: What's going on? 2315 01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:41,680 Speaker 4: How you doing? 2316 01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:42,920 Speaker 1: Okay? 2317 01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:44,160 Speaker 3: How you doing? 2318 01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:44,479 Speaker 2: Hey? 2319 01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:47,200 Speaker 1: Hey? Okay, real fast. 2320 01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,840 Speaker 4: Have you ever heard anything about the Pages were interested 2321 01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,760 Speaker 4: in trading for Chase Chase Young? 2322 01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,760 Speaker 1: Uh No, there's your second player. I don't think it's 2323 01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:58,360 Speaker 1: gonna happen. 2324 01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:03,080 Speaker 2: Uh, neither. Do you want the trade for Chase Young? 2325 01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:04,200 Speaker 1: No? 2326 01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:05,000 Speaker 3: I just. 2327 01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:08,800 Speaker 4: Man, what a second round pick? 2328 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:14,080 Speaker 2: That's that's okay? All right, Zal you got yeah, that's all. 2329 01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:16,479 Speaker 1: Thanks for colling in, man, I appreciate it if they 2330 01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,320 Speaker 1: got Chase Young of the best defense in football. I 2331 01:48:18,360 --> 01:48:19,320 Speaker 1: don't know how they're doing it. 2332 01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:24,920 Speaker 2: They're not trading for Chase hands down. No, I don't 2333 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:29,320 Speaker 2: think so. All right, the floor is yours alty, all right? 2334 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,960 Speaker 2: Your takeaways about the specialists, Uh, the rookie specialist versus 2335 01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:38,080 Speaker 2: Nick Folk and cordless weightman? H during cordless? I said 2336 01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:38,840 Speaker 2: cordless weight man. 2337 01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,520 Speaker 1: They said cordless. He is cordless. 2338 01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:44,400 Speaker 2: He's a cordless phone. Now, Uh what what were your 2339 01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:46,320 Speaker 2: take I have some takes on this, but I want 2340 01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,080 Speaker 2: you know you're resident special team. 2341 01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,599 Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll do the kickers first. I think 2342 01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,160 Speaker 1: it's Ryland. I thought it was Ryland going in, but 2343 01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,000 Speaker 1: not going in. I was like, all right, he's a 2344 01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,519 Speaker 1: fourth round pick. Nick Folks thirty eight. He fell off 2345 01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:01,080 Speaker 1: the end of last year. That's also true, obviously. The 2346 01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:03,679 Speaker 1: other really interesting development when they were doing the kickoff drills, 2347 01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,120 Speaker 1: which they did a good amount of. It was pretty 2348 01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,240 Speaker 1: much just the kickers handling kickoffs, Ryland and Folk, and 2349 01:49:09,439 --> 01:49:12,679 Speaker 1: they split them evenly. But remember last year when Folk 2350 01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:14,679 Speaker 1: fell off. I don't think we ever got a definitive 2351 01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:16,360 Speaker 1: answer on this being the cause, but there was a 2352 01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:20,280 Speaker 1: lot of talk about Folk was handling kickoffs when Jake 2353 01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,600 Speaker 1: Bailey got hurt in it. I mean, it's fatigue on 2354 01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:25,080 Speaker 1: its leg. It was fatigue that happens. I know people think, oh, 2355 01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:27,320 Speaker 1: it's like seven kicks a game. You're putting a lot 2356 01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:28,719 Speaker 1: into it when it's hitting those. 2357 01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:30,840 Speaker 2: Kickofs, squatting your max or something. 2358 01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:34,200 Speaker 1: Right, So if the planet and I don't get why 2359 01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:36,240 Speaker 1: the punters aren't involved in kickoss, maybe they will be 2360 01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:38,400 Speaker 1: further down the road. But if the plan is to 2361 01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,760 Speaker 1: have whoever is the kicker handle kickoffs, it has to 2362 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,160 Speaker 1: be Ryland. It has to be Ryland at that point. 2363 01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:48,120 Speaker 1: So Bill was asked about keeping three kickers. Didn't shoot 2364 01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:49,920 Speaker 1: it down. They didn't do it at times last year. 2365 01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:53,240 Speaker 1: Two kickers three Yeah, especially maybe Nick Folk goes to 2366 01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,280 Speaker 1: the practice squad gets elevated for field goals, but you 2367 01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:58,800 Speaker 1: can't do that all year. So I think that's definitively Ryley, 2368 01:49:58,920 --> 01:49:59,840 Speaker 1: do you want to go on the kickers? 2369 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,479 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm not ready to like completely give the 2370 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,639 Speaker 2: job to Ryland, but I'm ninety percent of the way there. 2371 01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:09,679 Speaker 2: I think that there's it's very very very clear based 2372 01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,759 Speaker 2: off of the spring that his leg is just it's 2373 01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,839 Speaker 2: it's a step ahead at Nick Folks. It's younger obviously, 2374 01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:17,880 Speaker 2: so that makes sense, you know, he's a younger player 2375 01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,559 Speaker 2: that he's got a little bit more power at this stage. 2376 01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:25,799 Speaker 2: But power on field goals, power on kickoffs obviously really 2377 01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:28,000 Speaker 2: out kicks Nick Folk in terms of you know, if 2378 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,640 Speaker 2: we're driving a golf ball here, Nick Folks is is 2379 01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,080 Speaker 2: quite a bit behind. 2380 01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:34,920 Speaker 1: And he doesn't really sacrifice anything in terms vacuracy. 2381 01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:37,840 Speaker 2: So they had them doing a lot of kicks on 2382 01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,519 Speaker 2: the skinny goal post. Yeah, and he didn't make every 2383 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:43,559 Speaker 2: single one of them, but it felt like every single 2384 01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,479 Speaker 2: one would have went through the regular goal posts probably 2385 01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:50,760 Speaker 2: and are close to it. And the most more importantly, 2386 01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,120 Speaker 2: he has control of the football right like it's not 2387 01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:58,240 Speaker 2: a Quinn Nordin justin Rollerroser situation where he's hitting the 2388 01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,360 Speaker 2: porter potties in the back the practice field you can 2389 01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,880 Speaker 2: tell that he knows where it's going on top of 2390 01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:07,120 Speaker 2: the little bit more range that he has on field 2391 01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,679 Speaker 2: goals too. So I find it, You know, Nick Folk 2392 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,439 Speaker 2: really saved them at a time where they were in 2393 01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,439 Speaker 2: desperate need of a kicker. But I find it hard 2394 01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:17,479 Speaker 2: to believe that he's going to beat out Ryland. 2395 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, punter Corlis Weightman looked good. Yeah, he looked a 2396 01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,280 Speaker 1: lot better than I expect me. He he led the 2397 01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,880 Speaker 1: league in punts last year with the Broncos, but most 2398 01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:30,040 Speaker 1: of his metrics, I twenties touchbacks that average, things like 2399 01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:31,479 Speaker 1: that were bottom third of the league. 2400 01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2401 01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:36,400 Speaker 1: I didn't see him, and it's really hard like to 2402 01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:38,040 Speaker 1: spin on the ball to pick up on TV. Kind 2403 01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:39,720 Speaker 1: of have to see in person. Didn't see him last year, 2404 01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,439 Speaker 1: but I did not expect, given what his kicks looked 2405 01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,280 Speaker 1: like last year, to have the rotation they did. Bryce 2406 01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:47,280 Speaker 1: Bearinger was limited. It sounded like he was dealing with 2407 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,080 Speaker 1: some sort of medical thing. Yeah, we'll see what happens there. 2408 01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:52,200 Speaker 1: He's also a six round pick. He's maybe a guy 2409 01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:53,800 Speaker 1: that can get on the practice squad. I don't think 2410 01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,920 Speaker 1: he's as much of a lock it's Weightman right now. 2411 01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,240 Speaker 1: There's still a lot of time for things to change, obviously, 2412 01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,840 Speaker 1: but you're I would I'm a wait and see guy, 2413 01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:05,000 Speaker 1: because I still think it could be either one. But 2414 01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,040 Speaker 1: I if they had a pick today, if they had 2415 01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:10,519 Speaker 1: a play game today and it's fourth down, I'm sending 2416 01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:11,320 Speaker 1: out Cortless Weightman. 2417 01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:13,880 Speaker 2: So what were your hang times on both of them? 2418 01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:15,559 Speaker 2: You don't have to rattle off all of them. 2419 01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:17,800 Speaker 1: I still need to average them out because. 2420 01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,400 Speaker 2: It felt to me and I wasn't clocking them quite 2421 01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:24,120 Speaker 2: as closely as you were. But I thought that that 2422 01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,240 Speaker 2: Baringer had a little bit more height on the ball sometimes. 2423 01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:33,879 Speaker 1: Baringer probably Bearinger probably had the higher average, but Weightment 2424 01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,680 Speaker 1: was a lot more consistent. Baringer had one period where 2425 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,519 Speaker 1: I think like three of his five punts were all 2426 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:42,000 Speaker 1: five seconds, but the other two were under four, whereas 2427 01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:45,200 Speaker 1: Weightman was pretty steadily like in that four to two 2428 01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:48,840 Speaker 1: to four to four range, which isn't incredible. But again 2429 01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:50,639 Speaker 1: I remind everybody of this, This is why they run 2430 01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:52,760 Speaker 1: the forty yard dash, to see if you can get 2431 01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,080 Speaker 1: downfield and cover punt in time. That is the actual 2432 01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:58,200 Speaker 1: intent of the forty yard dash, why that troll was implemented. 2433 01:52:58,200 --> 01:52:58,880 Speaker 2: At the combine. 2434 01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:01,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, if your kick them balld like four three 2435 01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:04,880 Speaker 1: four four, it could be a little better. But you're 2436 01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:05,759 Speaker 1: in okay shape. 2437 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,960 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm surprised. I'm surprised you're you're You're 2438 01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,439 Speaker 2: on Weightman a little bit. Obviously, I'm watching it in time. 2439 01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:15,800 Speaker 2: It is quite there's there's still time there. There's still 2440 01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:17,960 Speaker 2: time for things to change, still time for things to change. 2441 01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:19,720 Speaker 2: But and I just read as I said for it, 2442 01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,120 Speaker 2: it was like four four four five like that range, 2443 01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:22,680 Speaker 2: not four two. 2444 01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah that I was I was thinking of like the 2445 01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,880 Speaker 1: slower because again Baringer was like five two or four 2446 01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,720 Speaker 1: two five to or four two. Weightman was like four 2447 01:53:30,840 --> 01:53:32,800 Speaker 1: five four six four five four six, So like he 2448 01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,200 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't have that many five second punts. But 2449 01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:39,200 Speaker 1: I okay, so it's not that big of a deal 2450 01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:39,360 Speaker 1: to me. 2451 01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,839 Speaker 2: Right now, just to chalk it up, Yeah, it's basically 2452 01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:48,439 Speaker 2: Weightman more consistent Bearinger. Maybe a little bit of a 2453 01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:51,639 Speaker 2: higher ceiling, right, just you know, a little bit bigger. Yeah, yeah, 2454 01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:52,680 Speaker 2: that's not what's pretty much. 2455 01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:55,599 Speaker 1: And the one other special teams note I'd add, Yeah, 2456 01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:58,360 Speaker 1: if we're doing the the who's the UDFA that extends it. 2457 01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:00,840 Speaker 2: I think Jordan heat Like has a chance to make Yeah, 2458 01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:01,680 Speaker 2: they like him. 2459 01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:04,080 Speaker 1: He got one on one reps with Slater. I like 2460 01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:06,280 Speaker 1: that he's a true special teamer. He only played forty 2461 01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:09,800 Speaker 1: snaps at linebacker in college. That there's obviously a learning 2462 01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,040 Speaker 1: curve for any player. But I think that probably lessens 2463 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:14,240 Speaker 1: it a little bit because like a guy like DeMarcus 2464 01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:16,519 Speaker 1: Mitchell last year obviously proved to be a good special teamer, 2465 01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:18,880 Speaker 1: but he was a full time defensive end in college. 2466 01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:21,559 Speaker 1: He didn't have the special team's experience that a guy 2467 01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:23,479 Speaker 1: like Jordan Helig does. It's kind of a rare player. 2468 01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,679 Speaker 1: You don't see true coverage guys at the college level 2469 01:54:26,680 --> 01:54:29,040 Speaker 1: that often. So Matthew Slayers. 2470 01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,280 Speaker 2: I think makes it still. Ye, Slater obviously makes it still. 2471 01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:34,640 Speaker 2: Cody Davis has been limited, you know, he had that 2472 01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:35,200 Speaker 2: bad injury. 2473 01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:37,600 Speaker 1: So I had Cody Davis off because him and Heli 2474 01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,480 Speaker 1: probably play similar positions too, So maybe. 2475 01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:43,120 Speaker 2: It could be Cody Davis that that missus out. I 2476 01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,520 Speaker 2: have DeMarcus Mitchell off right now too. I just think 2477 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:49,200 Speaker 2: that they're too crowded there and if they like Helig, 2478 01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:52,120 Speaker 2: then it probably pushes him off even more. All Right, 2479 01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:55,760 Speaker 2: So that was a cool two hours of Minnie Camp recap. 2480 01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,600 Speaker 2: I love it. Thanks to Marine in the booth for 2481 01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:02,960 Speaker 2: not fallowing us sleep on us over there, and we're 2482 01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:06,440 Speaker 2: gonna be back next week. Obviously we're on DeAndre Hopkins 2483 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,120 Speaker 2: watch right now, but maybe we'll have some more just 2484 01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,560 Speaker 2: kind of sit on it and percolate a little bit 2485 01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,520 Speaker 2: on Mini camp as well. But Patriots are off until 2486 01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:17,120 Speaker 2: the end of July. Well be uh no, I don't 2487 01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:19,520 Speaker 2: think we've a formally announced training camp date, so I'm 2488 01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,480 Speaker 2: not gonna say it, but end of July is a 2489 01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:25,160 Speaker 2: training camp, so a little bit of a dead period here, 2490 01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,240 Speaker 2: but we're gonna be here every single week, still talking 2491 01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:31,440 Speaker 2: Patriots Rolister. We'll do some U can't preview breakdowns things 2492 01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:33,880 Speaker 2: like that, obviously, we'll talk about news and things too, 2493 01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:37,560 Speaker 2: So until then, signing off for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar. 2494 01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:40,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for watching on YouTube, Thanks for listening, and we'll 2495 01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:41,280 Speaker 2: see you guys next week. 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