1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: It's it could happen here the podcast where I attempt 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: to wrangle jokes that are enough okay that we keep podcasting. Yeah, 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: with me here to wrangle Robert Evans and also Garrison Davis. Welcome, 4 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: My two uses in this series are to make corrections 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: on Hungarian history of the Holocaust, uh and talk about 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: selling Heroin to children. So proud to be here. 8 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. You're gonna hear me complain. You're gonna 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: get to listen to me very briefly complain about Plato, 10 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: a thing I did not think I was gonna do 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: when I started this. 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: Like the like the the philosophy guy. 13 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right, okay, So all right, 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: why why are we eventually going to talk about Plato? So? 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: George Soros is probably best known for a foundation that 16 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: he eventually funds called Open Society. It was O risually 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: the Soros Foundation. Then he was like, why am I 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: naming this after myself? And it changed to Open Society. 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to read. So the Open Society is a 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: very sort. 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: Of Again, I gotta say, exactly twenty percent more self 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: awareness than you get from the average billionaire. Like Bill 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: Gates is like, well, call it the Gates Foundation. Saurus 24 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: is like, we'll call it the Soros you know, wait, wait. 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: You know, no, you know what. Well, And to be fair, 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: like Soros has Sorros has a real ideology and it 27 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: it can't work, but if it did, the world wouldn't 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: be that bad, Unlike unlike what would happen if you 29 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: let Bill Gates run rampant over the earth? Which is 30 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: the world we live in right now. So I'm going 31 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: to read a little bit from the influenced Soros again 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: about like what the open society is. I have lived 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: through Nazi persecution and Soviet occupation. Soros later said, Popper's 34 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: book is Carl Popper Open Society and His Enemies, struck 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: me with the force of revelation. It showed that fascism 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: and communism have a lot in common, that they both 37 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: stand in opposition to a different principle of social organization, 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: the principle of open society. So, okay, I read this, 39 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, so let's go, let's go, 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: let's go read Carl Popper's book, which is called The 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Open Society and Its Enemies. And so I assumed, right, 42 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: that's interesting me. 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: I was also doing poppers last night. 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: You had the superior experience with your poppers. I'm assuming 45 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: I had a bad fucking time. I read this like 46 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: last week. 47 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: She got mears from a gas station too. 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, instead I got it from the internet for free, 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: which questionable results. So okay, so I read this book, right, 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: So this is Karl Popper is like normally a philosopher 51 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: of well, he's like a scientist, right, He's most famous 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: for like philosophy of science stuff. But he also wrote 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: this book, and this is his critique of totalitarianism. So okay, 54 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: I'm expecting, right, it's going to be half of it's 55 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: gonna be about the Nazis and half of it's gonna 56 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: be about the communist right. No, the first half of 57 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: this book is about Plato and the second half of 58 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: this book is about Marks. But he spends like two 59 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: hundred pages yelling at Plato. And to be fair, everything 60 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: he says about Plato and about why Plato is totalitarian 61 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: is completely true. But like his conclusion about what totalitarianism 62 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: is is that totalitarianism is descendant. It's like the product 63 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: of this thing he calls historicism, which is when like 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: you have one thing that's the agent of history, and 65 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: so he sees like like I don't know, like a 66 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: great man or like the guy whatever Hegel's geist, or 67 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: like one great nation, or like a great class as 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: like those are all examples of his historicism. And if 69 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: you think about history like this, you will this is 70 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: how totalitarianism is born. And I am incredibly skeptical of that, 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: of the view of the way you look think about 72 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: history being the origin metal talitarianism. I I don't know. 73 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: It's it's a very very weird book. In a lot 74 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: of ways. Paper is trying to do this thing that 75 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of kind of liberal philosophers of that 76 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: period is doing, which is that she's trying to reconcile 77 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: sort of like individual freedom but then also sort of 78 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: economic glitarianism. And you know, okay, so if you were 79 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: actually serious about doing both of these things right, like 80 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: the two things you care about on earth are protecting 81 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: individual freedom and it's gieving economic calitarianism, you have two options. 82 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: You either become an anarchist and you sacrifice neither of 83 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: your values, or you become a neoliberal and you sacrifice both. 84 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: And Popper, unfortunately takes a second route, and. 85 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of the a lot of 86 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: the conflict between kind of like reconciling, you know, the 87 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: Great Man theory of history with some of these other 88 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: like it comes out of an unwillingness to look at 89 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: systems of power, because the extent to which like individual 90 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: weirdos and their obsessions influence history is largely due to 91 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: or is largely like related to the degree of power 92 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 2: that like different systems allow to be invested into like 93 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: individual weirdos. Like it's it's less a matter of like 94 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: you've got these sort of you know, in that kind 95 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: of fascist idea, you've got these sort of individuals who 96 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: embody the spirit of a people and more, if your 97 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: system allows huge amounts of power to be invested in 98 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: individual people with their weird hang ups, than those weird 99 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: hang ups of this one guy may wind up defining history. 100 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, this is this this is an unrelated rant. 101 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: I think it is related because this this is sort 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: of the core flaw of this ideology, which is that 103 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: these people conclude okay, so like they don't okay, the 104 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: the the thing that they have to do, like pop 105 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: rass to do right because he like acknowledges that a 106 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: lot of the Marxist critique is really powerful and that 107 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: like it is in fact not very good that you 108 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: have an entire class of people who like survive off 109 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: of extracting like labor from another class of people. But 110 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, if you accept that, right, you can't actually 111 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: like defend capitalism on the merits of it being an 112 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: economic system. You have to like do this like circle 113 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: run around dance of like defending ideas, and this all 114 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: gets like gets to this point where the problem that 115 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about happens, which is that like, well, okay, 116 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: capitalism is also a system where one really weird guy 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: and he's like terrible ideas can have an enormous impact 118 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: on how society operates. Like this is this is this 119 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: is this is the thing we're all suffering from from 120 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: like Elon Musk, right or like what what's that guy's name, 121 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: like Robert Moses, right, Like yeah, like you know, like 122 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: capitalism is absolutely assistant that generates just one guy who 123 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: can just fuck everyone's And that's a. 124 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: Perfect example of it because like the fact that Moses 125 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: has these weird personal hang ups around public transportation and 126 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: this love of being driven around influences how tens of 127 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: millions of people live to this day, and influences like 128 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: the global climate crisis. And so it's not like this 129 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: great man didn't like grab the lathe of heaven. It 130 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: was more like, no, our we we our society kind 131 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: of like the system we set up allowed an enormous 132 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: amount of power for this specific thing. How our cities 133 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 2: are set up to be invested in an unelected weirdo 134 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: because he was the only one interested enough to focus 135 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: on it, and that led to this very bad situation. 136 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I think I think Pomper's think of that. 137 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: I was like, well, okay, you do you deal with 138 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: this by like just having elections for everyone? And it's like, well, okay, 139 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: Like so sometimes you have election. We never vote for 140 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: crazy assholes, thank god. Sometimes sometimes sometimes you get Donald Trump, right, Like, 141 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, these these are these are these are things 142 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: that are going to haunt both Popper. Popper doesn't live 143 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: long enough to see like the absolute worst this can 144 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: possibly go, But George Sorows unfortunately has lived to see 145 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: exactly how value this this can possibly go. 146 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: But let's call him, let's let's call him by his 147 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: nickname from from now on uh G sizzle. Is that good? 148 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: We're not doing that. 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: We're not doing that. 150 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Garrison. This is this is this 151 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: is why you're this is why you're here. You have 152 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: power of attorney over what nicknames we call the subjects 153 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: of the episodes. 154 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: I will I will keep it and reserve this power. 155 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: See this is we're We've built assist him to try 156 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: and uh and stop you know, individuals with with weird 157 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: hang ups from influencing history so much. It's that simple, folks, 158 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: you know, devolve powers. Yeah, works great for unprecedency. 159 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we're you have to talk about Ugoslavia in this episode, 160 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: so it doesn't always work. But all right, so back back, 161 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: back back in sort of the heady days of the 162 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, George Soros like, okay, he has a 163 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: dual thing where he at once has his kind of 164 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: crisis a conscience thing where he's like, I want to 165 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: actually do something with my life that's not just you 166 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: know how, I want to have an impact on the 167 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: world that is positive and not like I made so 168 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: much money that like gods look at it and vomit 169 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: and so and so. Okay, so his solution is he 170 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: sets up a tax dodge, and he's actually very explicit 171 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: about those interviews that his first foundation to do charity 172 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: work was set up as a tax But but this 173 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: is where Soros is very interesting, right, because he has 174 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, for for like a billionaire, right, he has 175 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: some positions that are started only very good. So he 176 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: is anti apartheid and that is like not a thing 177 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: you can guarantee from people in that era, like oh boy. 178 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: He also and this is only I guess gets him 179 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: in trouble like to this day, is he is pro Palestine. 180 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: And this is part of why like net and Yah, 181 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: who absolutely hates him, he's he's not like like okay, 182 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: he's he's not. 183 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: Like a radical pro Palestine by the standards of net 184 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: and Yahoo a radical. 185 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. It was like his you know his 186 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: sort of like like his sort of like liberal humanism, 187 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: like hey, we should not like shoot children with guns. 188 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: Thing is Broadley anti shooting children? 189 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like like that that that makes you a 190 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: like like like enemy number one of the Israeli still 191 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: all yeah, no, I okay, put them in like. 192 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: I mean the number one is those kids. 193 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, they haven't wrapped him yet. So oh God, 194 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: speaking of things that the Israeli government didn't do. So 195 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: he gets his start. 196 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: I thought you were going to do an ad. 197 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: I don't worry, I have a better one. 198 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: It's kind of good. 199 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: So in that day, his first experience, like doing charity 200 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: work is he decides that he's going to go up 201 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: against like apartheid in South Africa, and yeah, this is good. 202 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: So he what he starts doing. He starts giving scholarships 203 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,359 Speaker 1: to black students to go to the University of Cape Town, 204 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: and then he learns a very very important lesson about 205 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: neoliberalism that he's about he's going to like promptly forget 206 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: after this, which is that. Okay, So what actually happened 207 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: what he thinks is going to happen, right, is what 208 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: he's trying to do is he's trying to make, you know, 209 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: he's trying to make sure there's more money for black 210 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: kids to go to go to university. What actually happens 211 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: is that the state uses his money to pay for 212 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,479 Speaker 1: the existing scholarships and stops paying for any more scholarships. 213 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: And so there's two things going on here, right. One 214 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: is the obvious, this is the this is the apartheid 215 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: racism right, like they don't want more like they don't 216 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: want more non white kids going to school. But then 217 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: two also this is also sort of a classic dear 218 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: liberal failure, which is like if you were, if you 219 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: were when you replace the state with like billionaire philanthropists, 220 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: the state simply instead of like you know, having more 221 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: of the of like the resources of the services provided, 222 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: the state just stops doing it and spends more money 223 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: on cops. And so he sours very quickly realizes that, 224 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: like he figures this out, it is like I fuck this, Like, no, 225 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: I'm not going to help you, like I'm not going 226 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: to help the apartect government do racism. And so this 227 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: makes him kind of weary of this stuff because he 228 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: has sort of he has sort of seen how you 229 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: see what happens when you when you very explicitly try 230 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: to work within a system that is unbelievably fucked up, 231 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: which is that the apartheid government uses your money to 232 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: as a way to like funnel more of their own 233 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: life into their own pockets. And do you know who 234 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: else use the system of aparthid to funnel more money 235 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: into their own pockets? 236 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I see, I now see what you were doing. 237 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: I think the last I think the previous attempt to 238 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: not break was actually better. I was kind of like, 239 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 3: you know, you know. 240 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: I. 241 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: Correct that our podcasts are entirely sponsored via a time machine. 242 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: We used to go back to apartheid South Africa uh 243 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: and get their advertising dollars. So please keep the krue 244 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: grands flowing, uh and and purchase these products and services. 245 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: I learned that kruegrands was the South African currency from 246 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: the movie Lethal Weapon two. We're back and I'm sitting 247 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: uncomfortable in the knowledge that I am the only person 248 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: on this zoom call who has watched Lethal Weapon too. 249 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 2: Have either of you seen any of the Lethal's weapons? No, unbelievable. 250 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: You're missing maybe the best Mel Gibson performance outside of 251 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: that time he got pulled over in Malibu and gave 252 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: a racist brant to those California State Highway Patrol officers. Uh. 253 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: Okay, regarding of people who are about to give racist rants. Okay. 254 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: So the the other thing about Soros, and the thing 255 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: that is sort of blisteringly ironic about how the sort 256 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: of course of anti Soro's attacks go, is that Soros 257 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: is like a vehement, like pretty hardline anti communist and 258 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: this is what he spends most of his time like 259 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: in the eighties doing, is is you'll like give giving 260 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: money to anti communist groups and communist countries. So he 261 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: funds Solidarity in Poland, which is this like very mixed record. 262 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Well we'll get the we don't need it. 263 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: He's funding anti communist causes. 264 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's funny, but you know he's funny. He's 265 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: trying to fund like a very specific kind of like 266 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: liberal anti communist cause, right, And you know this this 267 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: goes badly for him in a number of ways. One 268 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: is that the moment, like the moment the Berlin Wall falls, 269 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: everyone just like suddenly forgets about all of the anti 270 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: communism that he did, because you know, and this is 271 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: something about there's a kind of anti communists that he is, right, Like, 272 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of anti communists who are like who 273 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: are just like Deak squad guys, right, Like this is 274 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: your like your guy trained by Shan Kai Shek who's 275 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: like shooting peasants in like El Salvador. Right. There's also 276 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: like another kind of anti communists in this era who 277 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: are sort of liberal anti communists who like are anti 278 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: communists but like also anti Pinochet, for example, like Soros 279 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: give somebody to the people, you know, wh when Pinochet 280 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: has this big referendum of his like should I stay 281 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: in power? He gives money to the people who are 282 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: like no, and those are people who, ah, their intentions 283 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: are better than the just like absolutely horrifying right wingers. 284 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: But you know, it doesn't it doesn't go great for him. 285 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: So Soros his initial plan, right is he's gonna you know, okay, 286 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: when you're trying to like start funding anti communist group, 287 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: She's gonna use this things. Like he was gonna go 288 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: into Hungary and he was gonna like give Hungarian students scholarships, 289 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: and the Hungarian students were like, don't do this. Like 290 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: if you if you just show up and give us money, 291 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: the state is immediately going to be able to go like, hey, 292 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: you were like outside funded opposition people doing like regime 293 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: change stuff, and it's gonna like immediately discredit us. And 294 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: so this is the point where he sets up the 295 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: SOUS Foundation, which becomes opens There's a whole thing with this. 296 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: This this stuff changes names like many times, the Open 297 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Society Foundation stuff. Yeah, yeah, and you know, and so 298 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: you know what we like, we just talked about what 299 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: they actually do because in sort of like that. 300 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: And I can tell you one thing that they do 301 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: because I used to work with when I was a 302 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: teaching classes at Belling Cat my partner, my partner, John Carlo, 303 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: he would go and teach because he he was born 304 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: and for at least a period of time raised in Venezuela. 305 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: He would teach classes in Latin America to local journalists 306 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: who wanted to know open source investigative techniques and who 307 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 2: didn't have the kind of money to pay what it 308 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: usually costs to do a Belling Cat thing. And that 309 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: program whereby a bunch of journalists in Latin America, particularly Colombia, 310 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 2: got training, was funded by the Open Society Foundation. And 311 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: so a couple of years ago when there was that 312 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: massive swelling of like the police murdering people and protest 313 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: crowds and stuff in Colombia, the journalists who were like 314 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: doing open source investigation to track down which police officers were, 315 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 2: you know, killing folks and how this was going were 316 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: a lot of the folks that John Carlow had trained. 317 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: Like that's the kind of stuff that one of the 318 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: kind of things that the Open Society Foundation does. 319 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, they also do a lot of They do a 320 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: lot of like giving students scholarships. The other thing they're 321 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: really big on that doesn't get talked about much is 322 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: that there were huge on like cultural events basically like 323 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: like paying people money to like put on plays and 324 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: like theater stuff and music and like writing poems and books, 325 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: which is like, I don't know, like I actually think 326 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: that's cool, Like like we as a society used to 327 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: do this, Like we used to like pay people, like 328 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: the government used to pay people to like write things 329 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: and like create art, and then we decided that that 330 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: was bad and I've never done it again. 331 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm anti creating art for the record, That's 332 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: why I'm really happy about all this AI stuff. 333 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: Bait bait, yeah, bait post do not engage. 334 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: So Unfortunately for the Sorrows Foundation, one of the people 335 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: they give these these scholarships to is victor Or Braun, 336 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: which is I. 337 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: Victory the Hungarian. 338 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, we shall, we shall return to that. This 339 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: is I think maybe the single greatest example of like 340 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: creating young grave Digger I've ever seen in my entire life. 341 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: I I I don't know, like one of the things 342 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: that that comes up about this and this is this 343 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: is one of the things that another one of the 344 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: guys who Sorrows backs, who like betrays him later on 345 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: says that Sorrows is bad at politics, Like he's just 346 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: not he's like not very good at it. Like he's 347 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: not you know, people like the sort of like thing 348 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: about him is that he's the sort of like criminal 349 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: mastermind who can like like bankraill revolutions and stuff. And 350 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: she just like gets out maneuvered by people constantly in 351 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: ways that are like kind of depressing. Yeah, but okay, 352 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: so he's spending the eighties like doing all this, you know, 353 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: like doing this sort of cultural work, and you know 354 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: in Hungary, right, this is there's a sort of interesting 355 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: thing that happens where like he's wealthy enough that like 356 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: even the Communist Party is it sort of like has 357 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: to work with him because he has money and they 358 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: sort of don't. But you know, the other thing that 359 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: that's I think important to understand is that he's not 360 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of foundations you do, like exactly 361 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: the same stuff, right, like maybe slightly worse. Like you know, 362 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: there's like the Ford Foundation, there's like the Rockefellers, right, 363 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: or the Rockefeller Foundation, like they all they all like 364 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: at any place where open society is like doing stuff, 365 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: there's like a worse version of it that the Ford 366 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: Foundation and like the Rockefellers are doing. But you know, somehow, stunningly, 367 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: only one of these groups is singled out for being 368 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: yelled at all the time. And I will I will 369 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: leave as an exercise to the reader why specifically they 370 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: picked Soros and not Ford. Huh huh. 371 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder what big mystery. I wonder what 372 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: differences and cultural views might be. 373 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: It might be a yeah, so okay. The other real 374 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: problem that he runs into, which is a cultural problem, 375 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: is that, Okay, this is the problem that all the 376 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: liberal anti communists run into, which is that, Okay, so 377 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: the walls come down, right and the communist governments fall, 378 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: and it turns out that the anti communists in the 379 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe are almost all right wingers, and their base 380 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: are all like right wing nationalists fanatics. Here's another source 381 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: quote about this. I thought I would blaze the trail, 382 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: I would lead and others would follow. But now that 383 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: I look back, I find that there was practically nobody 384 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: behind me. I asked myself what went wrong, and part 385 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: of what went wrong is like what Soros is doing 386 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: in these places. So for example, you know, he's he's 387 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: involved in funding solidarity, he's involved in some solidarities negotiations 388 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: with the government. And then the other thing that he 389 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: does is he's one of the people who he help 390 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: like do structural adjustment in Poland. And this goes really 391 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: badly because so what we were talking about, Wes just 392 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what solidarity is, because he 393 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: helps destroy it by accident. Solidarity is this giant sort 394 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: of like social democratic e union that forms in you know, 395 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: in like the early eighties in Poland. That's like the 396 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: first sort of independent union in one of these communist countries. 397 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: And they eventually are able to sort of like knock 398 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: off the government, but they come into power, and you know, 399 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: so they do on sort of so US's advice and 400 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: on the advice of a lot of the sort of 401 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: financial people. They're getting right, all of the people are 402 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: telling them to do privatization, so they do it right. 403 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: They privatize all of these giant state owned like facilities, 404 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: they privatize their docks like stuff like that, and this 405 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: it turns out it just causes massive d industrialization. It 406 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: destroys Solidarity's base because there's suddenly no longer all of 407 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: these union jobs at all these state owned factories, and 408 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: so you know, they lose an excellent actually and that 409 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: solid already like vanishes forever into the midst of time. 410 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: There's like six of those guys left. Yeah, and this 411 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: and this is a real sort of sorts problem. This 412 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: that like keeps running over and over again, right is 413 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, he spent all this time being an anti communist, 414 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: but then the actual anti communists who have basses and 415 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: who aren't just like destroying their own bases by like 416 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: doing privatization, which is something stuff he's also pushing, right 417 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: are these right wingers and this is this is just 418 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: sort of a fiasco. And you know, it's like he 419 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: he does, like he tries to do like a very 420 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: similar thing to what he'd been doing in Eastern Europe 421 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: and China, and this goes like even worse because he 422 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: winds up like backing he winds up backing one of 423 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: the CCP factions who gets purged after Tienemann, And so 424 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: you know, sorros like as the sort of nineties go 425 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: on right, Like he's sort of slowly starting to realize 426 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: that like the stuff that these doings not working very well, 427 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: and one of the sort of I don't know if 428 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: consequence is the right word, but okay, one of sours 429 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: are sort of like principles that makes them different from 430 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: a lot of other of these billionaires rights. He doesn't 431 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: do humanitarian aid. His thing is that like he wants 432 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: to produce a society that doesn't need humanitarian aid, which 433 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: is sort of noble. But like then then Yugoslavia falls apart, 434 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: and he winds up doing a bunch of stuff in Yugoslavia, 435 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: Like he winds up building like a water purification plant 436 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Sarajevo whilside resiege. And the other thing that I didn't 437 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: know he was like really heavily involved with is like 438 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: he's basically the reason why the UN War Crimes tribunal 439 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: that like tries some Miloshevic and stuff like happens, Like 440 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: he funds it. It wasn't really like a UN thing 441 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: he was. He was like, Hey, we're gonna have this tribunal. 442 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: And then the German government like arrested one of the 443 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: war criminals just sort of randomly at like an airport 444 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: or something, and he's able to convince sort of like 445 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: Clinton and a bunch of other people to like actually 446 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: turn and the un to like turn this into a 447 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: real court. And this pisses off a lot of people, 448 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: and like by by a lot of people, I mean, 449 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: like very specifically pisses Melosa Chi cough because somewhat obvious 450 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: reasons that he's trying to try him for war crimes. Okay, 451 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: so I think, gar you're too young for this. Robert, 452 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: do you remember Rock the Vote? 453 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 2: God? Oh yes, I remember Rock the Vote. 454 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Okay. So one of the things Soros does is he 455 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: does like a he brings like a rock to vote. 456 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 1: He's like one of the people who brings the rock 457 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: to vote to like Slovakia great. And you know, and 458 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: this is the first time. 459 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: That this is how we introduce people to democracy by 460 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: showing how cringe it can be perfectly well. 461 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: And the government is immediately immediately This is sort of 462 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: the first time that like a government is seriously like, well, 463 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not okay. This is the first time 464 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: that you've had like a protest movement that starts and 465 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: the head of the country goes like it's George Soros. 466 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: He's the one doing this, even though like the Ford 467 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: Foundation again and the Rockefellers and just like a bunch 468 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: of random people in Slovakia are also doing this. But 469 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: this is this is this is sort of going to 470 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: become like a pattern in in in these things, because 471 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, he he's sort of like like I think 472 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: he's kind of like poking a lot of sort of 473 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: very powerful like increasingly powerful sort of regional right wing 474 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: leaders because he looks at the societies and are like, actually, 475 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: it sucks to have like just dog shit right wingers 476 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: who are like racist and hate everyone running a country. 477 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like it would be bad. 478 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is this is the thing about worlds, 479 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: like he every once in a while, right, he sees 480 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: something really bad going on and goes, I'm gonna throw 481 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of money at it try to fix it. 482 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: And so one of the things that he does this 483 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: for is the war on drugs, like in the in 484 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,239 Speaker 1: sort of the eighties and nineties, Like Saras looks at 485 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: this and it's like this fucking sucks, Like this is 486 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: really bad. And so he starts working in Baltimore, where 487 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: the government is trying to do like something something like 488 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: pretty like something like even now is to consider sort 489 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: of like pretty radical I like harm reduction stuff. So 490 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean they like it. Like Baltimore in the nineties 491 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: has needle exchanges. He's doing like Narcan trainings for people. 492 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: He's you know, he's doing things like funny instead of 493 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: like like giving money to like he's doing he tyes 494 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: these programs to like get people out of like prison faster. 495 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: And he's doing like after school programs for kids and 496 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: this stuff like this just like genuinely good. Like there's 497 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: no like I don't know, it sucks that like it's 498 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: it's billionaire money that's like doing it. But like I 499 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: don't know, like probably there's a lot of people who 500 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: are alive because I didn't get HIV from needles that 501 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: they were able to do exchanges for. 502 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, that's all. That's all good stuff. 503 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And but you know the interesting thing about Storts, right, 504 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: he's he's like not like you know, he's doing stuff 505 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: that's like pretty lefty, right, but he's like not a 506 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: partisan guy until he sees George Bush and he sees 507 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: he's he like the day after nine to eleven, he's like, 508 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: holy shit, this guy is a maniac, and like he's 509 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: just instantly has like the switch flips of like this man, 510 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: this man is an enemy who opens society, which is true. 511 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: And he's like he's he like, guess this braid of 512 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: like I need to bring this man down. So he 513 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: starts getting really for the first time, right, he starts 514 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: getting really really involved in the two thousand and four election. 515 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: He's doing like like these like micro targeting ad stuff. 516 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: He's like throwing money around everywhere, and you know, I 517 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: mean he explicitly like the like the way he looks 518 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: at it, like if he's very explicit about this is 519 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: like he wants to level the like the playing field 520 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: between the Republicans, who are funded by just a trillion 521 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: routling billionaires and the Democrats, who are funded by not 522 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: that many billionaires. The problem with this is that he 523 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: has like a very weird view of what's wrong with Bush. 524 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read from the people the storms again in 525 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: imposing its view of freedom on both the American people 526 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: in a foreign country. Quote, the supremacist ideology of the 527 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: Bush administration, and it is in contradiction with the principles 528 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: of open society because it claims possession of an ultimate truth, 529 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: which I don't know. I don't actually think like claiming 530 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: possession of an ultimate truth is like specifically the thing 531 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: that like is the bason why the Bush administration is bad. 532 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: But simultaneously I don't know, Like I it's hard for 533 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: me to be like too bad about a billionaire seeing 534 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: George Bush and just like going, oh my god. 535 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah it didn't it didn't work, but it yeah, good 536 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: that he gave it, gave it the old college try. 537 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: Yeah well. And unfortunately this this has a backlash effect, 538 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: which the Republicans see him start doing this, and they're like, 539 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: oh shit, this is incredible campaign material for us. And 540 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: we start seeing like the sort of the less openly 541 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: anti Semitic like precursors to like all the stuff we 542 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: see today, like Bill O'Reilly goes after him. Oh god, Robert, 543 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: do you remember Dennis Hastard? 544 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh look, if I'm my favorite pedophiles who 545 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: were long standing speakers of the House of Representatives, Dennis 546 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: Hastard is easily in the top three. 547 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: She I this is the thing that's been like collectively 548 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: wiped from like America's conscience. Is that like the Republican 549 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House for like twenty years, was like 550 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: one of one of one of history's most prolific pedophiles. 551 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: He sure was. 552 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: And she also turns out one of the people who 553 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: mainstream the anti Soros stuff. She starts citing a fucking 554 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: Lyndon LaRouche quote n quote report claiming that soroscott is 555 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: money from drugs. So Lynda Laruche is this like fascist 556 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: weirdo who cut his teeth and running this like anti 557 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: communist cult that would like physically fight leftist groups on 558 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: campuses and would like give information on like student leftist 559 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: groups and like other lefist groups or the government like 560 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: they are they are so fedted up that like if 561 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: you start reading about de LaRue sites like they were 562 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: narking to federal orgs like you've never heard of before, 563 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: it's stunningly, stunningly bizarre like conspiracy cult thing. And Dennis 564 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: Hastert was just straight up like reading their anti Semitic 565 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories like on TV. But you know, and I 566 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: think I think it's something that that's one of the 567 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: things I wanted to emphasize, like in this episode, right, 568 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: is like the anti Soro stuff isn't really like I 569 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: don't know what you call it, like sort of organic 570 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: anti semitism, Like it's not something that like comes from 571 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: the Republican base, right, This is thing that this is 572 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: a deliberate choice by Republican political strategists who are very 573 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: deliberately like this, this is this is a Jewish billionaire 574 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: who's helping who's helping a Democratic party, like we can 575 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: use this to do what to try to do like 576 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: culture warship to win this election, and you know, like 577 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: you we know we can see the results of this. 578 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: And this isn't even you know, we're gonna get this 579 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: in a little bit, but like this this isn't even 580 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: the only time this is gonna happen where like the 581 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: specific like Soros like anti Semtism stuff for dreaming against 582 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: is like it's cooked up by like like very specifically 583 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: cooked up as a targeted thing by political strategists. 584 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: I love it, which it's it's good. 585 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: Anyways, we should we should do ads. 586 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:52,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of anti semitism, you know, just just speaking 587 00:32:52,520 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 2: about it, that's what we're doing here. Anyway, here's the mads. Ah, 588 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: we're back. Got another email from the A d L. 589 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna deal with this, y'all continue talking about George Soros. 590 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: Oh boy, So all right, the other thing Soros keeps doing, like, 591 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, so in going after Bush, right, he has 592 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: now made himself like he's not enemy number one yet, 593 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: but he's going he's made himself like a pretty high 594 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: profile enemy of the Republican like through the shoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 595 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: so that guy actually sucks. 596 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: I yeah, yeah, we're not praising him. 597 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. He starts this sort of like arc of pissing 598 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: off a bunch of really really powerful and important people 599 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: who are anti Semitic right wingers. So remember how I 600 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: a while back, I said I was talking about there 601 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: was a guy who double crossed Soros who was like, 602 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: this guy's bad at politics. So that guy was like 603 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: a uh that that that that guy. That guy was 604 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: a Georgian protest leader who Soros like helped like his 605 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: protest movements overthrow a sort of like kind of pretty 606 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: shitty like pro Russian government in Georgia. But like that guy, 607 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: that guy has like a wild arc that you could 608 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: do his own fucking movie series on. He's now a 609 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: victory a close ally of Victoria Bond. So it's going great, 610 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: how do you actually pronounce his name? For some reason, 611 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: it always just like pings off my brain. 612 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean or Garren. I hear the real 613 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: brain Trust to ask about pronunciation. You've brought together, you know, 614 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: just the goat latest pronunciators. Just send me a list 615 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 2: of like European cities. That's a free episode idea there 616 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: you go. Yeah, I'm just gonna say the word Binghamton 617 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: like forty seven times. It's gonna be great. 618 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: Okay, So sorrows back to say this gets called the 619 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: Rose Revolution, and you know, this turns out badly for 620 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: Soros in every possible way, which is that like one 621 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: his guy like sucks and turns on him, and then 622 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: two he really like this like really pisses off. Laedimer 623 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: putin a man who is going to hold this grudge, 624 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: like like on his deathbed. He will be holding this 625 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: grudge now, okay. So one of the things that that 626 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: sort of like happens. So he's backing these sort of 627 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: like protest movements in Eastern Europe. Ifuse the sort of 628 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: two thousands, and you know, as the two thousands go 629 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: on and turn in two thousand and eight, thing, the 630 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: world economy goes to shit. A bunch of right wingers 631 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: started taking power, and one of Victor Rabond's like political consultants, 632 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: who's this guy? Who he that through net and Yahoo 633 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: like specifically like this is this is another consultant guy 634 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: very specifically cooks up the idea for how you know, 635 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: he's trying to fend off like a right like a 636 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: sort of another sort of right wing challenge. He trying 637 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: to fend off like the rest of our political establishment. 638 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: And or Bond's consultant like very specifically is like what 639 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: if we go after Soros again? And you know, and 640 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: so he does and this is this is another one 641 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: of those things like this is literally the anti Semitism 642 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: is fucking cooked up in a pr lab in in 643 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: in order for these people to win elections. And I 644 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: don't know that that that just sort of just sort 645 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: of like cynical cold bloodedness of it, like of these people, 646 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: like this political consultant, by the way, like is also Jewish, 647 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: right like, and he just doesn't give a shit. He's 648 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: like a fuck it, like well, you know, like I 649 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm like one of Netanyahu's guys net and Yah, who 650 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: fucking hates this guy too? Like why don't we just 651 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: use him as a punching bag and so they you 652 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: and you know this is this is part of a 653 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: big part of the reason like why Sorows turns into 654 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: the sort of enemy number one is that in two 655 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: fifteen they start blaming him for the influx of refugees 656 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: from Syria. And this bread is like fucking wildfire. Suddenly 657 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: like every single right wing leader on Earth is like, 658 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: oh shit, I can blame all of my refugee stuff 659 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: on this guy. And they start doing it. And you know, 660 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: so suddenly like like air Dowan is blaming him for 661 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: like the gutsy part protests and he does at thirteen, 662 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: like Trump gets on this, and you know, this stuff 663 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: sort of like it's it spreads really quickly, and once 664 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: it's sort of out of the bottle, right like you know, 665 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: like people look like there are the people who sort 666 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: of first start this right are doing this sort of 667 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: like you know, like incredibly cold, cynical political calculus. But 668 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: once once that once this like incredibly high level that 669 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: is sent and he Sentism gets out of the open, 670 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,839 Speaker 1: it starts turning into just like Sorows of Satan shit. 671 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: And you know, and and part part of what happens 672 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: here is is that like this is this is one 673 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: of the things, like that the sort of campaigns against 674 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: Soros is one of the things that he is responsible for, 675 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: like our current like migrant policy, like why it's so bad? 676 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: Like why like half our episodes next week and are 677 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: gonna be about like just horrible shit happening at the border, 678 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: which is that Like Soros in the in the like 679 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: the late the nineties and two thousands found out that 680 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: like Clinton was funding his welfare reform by cutting legal 681 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: immigrants off from food stamps and like SSI benefits, and 682 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: he's like, wait. 683 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 4: This is fuck yeah, it's just like like he caught 684 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 4: one point five million people off of his off of 685 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 4: fucking benefits for just no reason, like unbelievably demonic act. 686 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: And Sorrow finds out about this, is like wait, what 687 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: the fuck what do you mean he's doing this? So 688 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: he like puts a coalition together that like funds a 689 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: bunch of immigrant advocacy groups, and he's able to overturn this. 690 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: But there there's a sort of right with the right 691 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: wing reaction to this, right like par Is partially also 692 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: part of the right wing reaction to Soorros. Two thousand 693 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: and four, there's this very very effective and like unbelievably 694 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: brutal sort of right wing backlash about immigration politics. That is, 695 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the things that drives the 696 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: Obama administration. 697 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 2: Right. 698 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: The Obama administration is like worse than the Bush administration 699 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 1: on like deportation shit. It's you know, just utter horror, 700 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: and all of that stuff continues, and all of these 701 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: right wing people figure out that if you can just 702 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: pin like like Trump starts with Trump pins the migrant 703 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: caravent on Soros and they figure out, like, this is 704 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: the This is like the specific combination, right It's like 705 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: the the the anti semitism of like the Jewish banker 706 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: bringing immigrants into your country is just like the sort 707 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: of one way shop driving your entire country into like 708 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: a like fascist right wing frenzy. And it works. And now, 709 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: you know, like the cycle that we're in now is 710 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: like anytime something happens, uh, like the right blames h 711 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: for it like this. So the the the the current 712 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: right wing panic is that George Soros was funding some 713 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: like pretty moderate like reform DA people because he's a 714 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: criminal justice reform guy, and the Republicans are now all 715 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: talking about how this is like a scheme by Soros 716 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: to like cause crime and like destroy the entire country, 717 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, like this is just like this is this 718 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: is just this is just reality now all of these 719 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: like really bleakly cynical political leaders and they're like polsters 720 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: and pr consultants, where like we could use anti Semitism 721 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: to win elections and they did and now we live 722 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: in hell. 723 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but on the up side, you know, uh, the 724 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: you know, have you guys had the uh the new 725 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 2: uh the new mountain dew zero major melon. It's not tasty, 726 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 2: but it's in grocery stores, so if you're looking for 727 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 2: a diet mountain dew flavor, you know, that makes it 728 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 2: all kind of worthwhile. 729 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: I don't know lism no longer even delivering flavor. 730 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 2: That's what I had for you. It was that or 731 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 2: another heroine. 732 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 3: Why why would they need to deliver flavor when instead 733 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 3: they can just continue to mainstream anti semitism to get 734 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 3: right wing politicians elected so they can make say. 735 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 2: But you know what I've been I've been studying this 736 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 2: can for a while now, and none of the anthropomorphized 737 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 2: watermelons look like they could be racial caricatures. So that's 738 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 2: a win. 739 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: You know. 740 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 3: Look, if that is, if that is actually that actually 741 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 3: is a racism wind. 742 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 2: If Mountain Dew had made a melon version in nineteen thirty, 743 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: it would have been pretty bad. Like we would be 744 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,959 Speaker 2: sharing pictures of those cans on Twitter today and going, 745 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 2: oh my god. They would have to make a statement, 746 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 2: they'd have to donate some money to like, I don't know, 747 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 2: fun to, probably scholarships or something. It'd be a real 748 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 2: problem for Mountain Dew, is what I'm saying. But today, 749 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 2: nothing problematic about the melons on their can. 750 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure there's nothing problematic about the soda industry. 751 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 2: Aspertaine, the health chemical. 752 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: Well is that is that all we had? Me? 753 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 3: Yo? 754 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, this is this is endicular apple here. 755 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,399 Speaker 3: Well it's I think now now we finally know why 756 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 3: George Soros is as bad as Magneto, and and why 757 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: comparing George Soros to Magneto as the one of the 758 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 3: richest men in the world who owns probably the most 759 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 3: influential communication app is probably not a good thing. 760 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, Okay, one word thing I want to get 761 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: it fine, Like for one second that I forgot I 762 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: realized I forgot to say earlier, is that like Soros 763 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: is not like in the scale of billionaire, Soros is 764 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: not very rich, Like he's like the three hundred and 765 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: so vandieth richest billionaire, Like he's not even in the 766 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: top one hundred. Right. Elon Musk he has like six 767 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: billion dollars. Elon Musk has like one hundred and eighty 768 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: four billion dollars or something. So like, you know, the 769 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: the the relative levels of influence that these people have. No. 770 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 3: I was talking about Elon Musk, Yeah, yeah, one of 771 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 3: the chest most influential people. 772 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just I just I need everyone 773 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,359 Speaker 1: to understand exactly how much more fucking rich it's. It's 774 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: it's it's like fucking it's like when fucking Henry Ford 775 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: was like doing anti Semitic conspiracy series, and it's like 776 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: you literally like like you personally literally control like more 777 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: wealth than like all the people you're ranting about combined. Like, 778 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, Oh my god, huh anti semitism, folks, 779 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: it sucks. And also rich people do it even though 780 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: they're they are the actual like the actual yeah, in 781 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: in so far as anything even remotely like what they're 782 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: hypothesizing could even potentially exist. It's fucking these people, so yeah, 783 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: they're bad. 784 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 2: It could happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 785 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 786 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: cool zonemedia dot com or check us out on the 787 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 788 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 3: You can find sources for It could Happen Here, updated 789 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 3: monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources. 790 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.