WEBVTT - Andrew Tate Update 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:08.039 What apparently shockingly well hung my young male lead from 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.720 the movie Spi Kids. But now now he's in his 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.280 like thirties, so it's fine that a good intro. Sophie, 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.079 is that a good intro? We spent ten minutes before 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.200 the episode talking to me about the fact that the 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.279 Spy Kids kid grewed up to marry Meghan Trainer and 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.720 have a huge wang. Now everybody's going to know that. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.280 I was discussing how for some reason, and Ian, who 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.280 is also here, Hi, Ian Johnson, that we get on. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.239 Twitter, we get this like at pop Crave. Yeah, that 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.680 neither of us follow. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.080 And everything I know about K pop comes from Twitter. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.320 Believing that I am incredibly interested in K pop. No, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.879 I'm just saying incredibly Twitter picks things for you to 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:47.560 be interested in. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.239 Yeah, just the way it was, Well, can I can? 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:49.559 I can? 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.519 I Just I feel like I owe it to the 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.199 listeners to read, to read this. 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.840 To talk about to talk about this former child, Sophie. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.080 Former child so first off, problematic, okay. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.200 So spy kid so so so I'm not even okay. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.920 Megan Trainer causes chatter online after discussing her painful sex 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.240 with big Boy husband Darryl. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.440 I was joking about it being I. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.840 Can't walk after I'm going to read the whole fucking thing, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.720 thank you very much. She can't walk after sex. It's 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.800 to the point where I'm like, is it all in? 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.200 And he's like just the tip and I'm like I 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.840 can't do anymore and I don't know how to fix that. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.800 Why they think that's what you want to see, Sophie, that's. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.880 Because feel bullied like this is this. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.399 Is This is the first time that I have not 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.440 been cripplingly depressed in weeks. So thank you. Yeah, no, 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.240 this this really I was right on the edge there, Sophie. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.440 I was right on the edge. But learning about learning 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:57.320 about this this former child, massive, massive meat wagon has 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:02.320 really has pulled me through. It's my it's my prozac. Well, 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.320 I felt like these people I was formerly unaware of 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.920 and their sex to there. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.920 They're also the couple that has two toilets in their 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.080 bathrooms so they can shit next to each other. Which 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.200 you know, all of this is fine, Well no it's not, 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.400 but all of us is fine, But like, why do 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:18.480 I have to know about it? 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.040 Why does Ian have to know about it? And why 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.800 do all of our listeners have to know about it. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.400 And I'll tell you all of our listeners have to 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.560 know about it because you would not stop telling me 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:25.920 about it. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.240 I'll tell you what I thought they deserved a little 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.880 bit of a ha ha before we got into this episode. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:33.440 What are we talking about Robert Evans. 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.160 Well, you know, earlier this year, right at the start 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.640 of this year, we did a four parter on mister 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.480 Andrew Tait because I thought people needed to know more 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.880 about him. There wasn't at that point really any kind 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.480 of comprehensive profile on him. Let's look at his life, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.720 you know, kind of covering the whole sweep of everything 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.080 he'd done and how he got to be so influential, 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.680 you know, And at the I decided that enough has 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.640 happened in the months since then that it was time 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:03.560 for an Andrew up. 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:09.320 Taate Wow, Chris, please please please insert some snaps snaps 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.920 snaps for Robert. Please insert some snapping noise and some 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.959 like little like a little applause but not too loud 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.839 of applause, just like a little applya. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.280 No no find me like a standing ovation clip from 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.840 the VMA's or something. Throw that in there, like three 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:22.720 solid minutes. 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.360 You know what, let's bring it back, find applause for 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:26.919 Meghan Trainer performing. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.560 There there you go, make it all connect. So, at 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.200 the time we covered mon Senior Tate, he was still 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.320 locked up in a Romanian jail. There was not a 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.440 whole lot of good info about his early life and 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.240 rise to prominence. So I had to do a lot 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.280 of digging to fill in hole since there just wasn't 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.640 as much out there as there is now, and what 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.800 there was out there was not conveniently located in articles. 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.760 It was scattered throughout literally hundreds of different video clips 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.080 on multiple different websites. Now, in the months since Andrew 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.800 has Number one been released to house arrest, he's gone 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:01.640 through Obviously, during the time he was in jail, he 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.480 had a bit of a jail house odyssey of his own, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.760 which we'll talk about. And he's also attracted a huge 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:11.360 amount of reporting resources from outlets like Rolling Stone and 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.640 the recently deceased BuzzFeed News. This has provided us with 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:16.800 a lot more context about his early life, about kind 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.799 of his rise to prominence, about you know, a couple 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.400 of small mysteries that we had during the initial episodes. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.560 We did in addition to that, some of our own 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.400 fans or one of our own fans has done some 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.560 digging on the subreddit and they found some clips from 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.320 some of Tate's videos that provided some additional context on 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.760 his backstory. So today I'm going to give you guys 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.039 an update on what's gone down since we last talk, 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.480 as well as an expansion of the stuff we covered 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.279 last time based on some new information. Most of the 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.600 new info we've received focuses on his father, Imrie Tait, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.800 and what happened between him and his family during the 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.279 part of Andrew's childhood that was previously a little bit 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.880 of a black box. Oh yeah, By the way, Ian 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.200 and Sophie are the guests for this episode. Hello, Ian 0:04:58.200 --> 0:04:59.960 and Sophie. We did I realized I had an interview, 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.280 but yeah, no, wow, wow, back. I think brave, brave 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.600 of me to introduce you twice. That shows how much 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:07.480 gratitude I have. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.760 You were just so enamored by that, by that big 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.360 dick story that you couldn't you couldn't remember what had happened. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:16.760 You were digmatized. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.880 Oh yes, his eyes got glossy and everything. Yeah. 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.880 So a lot of what I have learned here comes 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.839 courtesy of a user on our subreddit chicken Stuff eighteen, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.360 who come through a bunch of again. Andrew's backstory is 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.039 kind of scattered throughout hundreds of videos, many of which 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.800 are lies. So some of the information in the videos 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.920 this guy came up with was I found really compelling 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:42.800 because we had kind of I talked a lot about 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.400 Emory Tait, his father, the chess legend. We mentioned kind 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.599 of one unsettling story Andrew told about him, like being 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.920 shoved by him, a weird story about kind of him 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.880 pulling his son out of a tournament for crying. But 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.000 we didn't know a whole lot about the guy in 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.200 some of these videos that were brought to my attention, 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.640 tape admits that his father was a diagnosed narcissist, which 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:12.039 makes a ton of sense are Andrew's behavior yea, yeah, yeah, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.320 and he he ties Andrew in while he never like 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.599 like stops idolizing his father. He ties his father's likely 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.520 narcissism to his eventual separation from the military and the 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.320 fact that the family was destitute when Andrew was a kid. 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:33.279 In Andrew's recollection of events, which probably doesn't entirely correspond 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.600 with reality, but probably does correspond with what he was 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.320 told as a kid by his dad, Emory. You know, 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.680 because Emory is working for the Air Force and he 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.800 has an argument with a superior officer over how to 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.320 like translate some sort of document that they've they've taken in, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.480 and Emory is unable to like either admit that he's 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.440 wrong or like give up the argument, right, You know 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.720 that kind of way that that narcissists do, where you 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.480 know a thing that a normal person, even if the 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.440 normal person is like, well, you know, I don't agree 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.040 with this, and at a certain point you just kind 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.280 of like let it go. Usually, Emory keeps on this 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.160 to the point that it makes it impossible for anyone 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:19.320 to work with him. He is initially like forced off 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.480 of his actual duties and like made to like work 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.760 as a janitor. They're basically like you because of how 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.120 you can't let this go, you are no longer capable 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.640 of doing your regular jobs, so like sweep the fucking floor. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.640 But he continues to be such a problem that the 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.360 Air Force offers him a separation from the military. Now 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.040 he has been doing this long enough that he qualifies 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:45.560 for a pension, and his superiors are like, look, this 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.680 is a messy situation. We will basically put you on 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.720 disability and thus allow you to like get a pension, 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.400 but you have to admit to the diagnosis that our 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.840 internal doctors have given you of narcissistic personality disorder. The 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.480 phrase that Andrew uses for this, that his dad presumably 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.920 told him, was that the Air Force was asking Emory 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.680 to put a price tag on his sanity and he 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.520 refused to do that and thus did not get a pension, 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.880 and that's why the entire family wound up destitute. And 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.960 you know, there's some evidence that this is more or 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.960 less what happened. Rolling Stone looked into the story. They 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.520 confirmed that Emory was discharged from the Air Force in 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.280 ninety two, and his biographer wrote, quote, superiors believed Tate 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.959 embellished intelligence and cited a personality disorder. Now that's a 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.760 little bit different from what Andrew's claiming, you know, which 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.040 was that he had an argument with a superior about 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.400 how to translate a document. The way that his biographer 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.440 describes it, it sounds more like Andrew was like exaggerating things, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.560 maybe for personal benefit. In any case, said biographer also 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.360 notes that Emory became an alcoholic after leaving the Air 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.120 Force was all which interrupted his chess career and had 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.040 him kicked out of at least one tournament. Despite all 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.959 of this, Andrew continues to idolize his father, portraying his 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.480 refusal to acknowledge his diagnosis or accept this pension as 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.679 an act of courage. And I want to play you 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.840 a clip of him talking about this from an interview 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.199 he did with a guy named Patrick bet David, who 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.719 I don't really totally know how to describe Patrick. He's 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.880 like kind of in the weirdo right wing grind and 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.800 SETI communities see in this video. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.959 He's the dude in the back in the back in 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:28.760 the blue jacket. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:30.760 Yeah, and he's he's interesting. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:36.520 I don't know. I assume one of his cronies, ye, Patrick. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.880 But Patrick did famously an interview with Alex Jones kind 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.600 of early in Alex's legal troubles. That's actually not bad. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.400 It's one of like the better early like a kind 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.280 of adversarial interviews with with Alex. But anyway, here's Andrew 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:53.680 talking about his father to Patrick bet David. 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.959 Anyway, when they discharged him, he said personality sorer. And 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:58.480 the reason they said he had that is because he 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.240 refused to listen to one of his commanders. I don't 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.600 know the exact story, so I don't want to say 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:02.800 it on tape. But he refused to listen to what 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.040 his commanders about a recording on a tape, and my 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.599 father was arguing with him about the translation of a 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.360 certain word. My father believed it was slang for something else. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.920 Superior believed it's something else. They got to a personal beef. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.480 It developed over months and months and months of arguments 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.400 about translations, and eventually the end, my dad I ended 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.800 up being told to sweep outside for eight hours a day. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:24.320 And then I got to the point of my father 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.720 at the charge, so they discharged him. They diagnos him 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.440 with Narcissi's personal disorders. The saity wouldn't listen, and they 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.440 offered him this military pension and he refused it. He said, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.160 my sanity is not for sale. And I know that 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:36.880 line because my mother used to scream all the time 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.360 when we were broke in the house. You could have 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.319 had money, Emory, my sonity's not for sale. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.800 Now we went broke, right, So I remember the bargamy. 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.439 Hemory, we could have had money, now we're broke. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.840 So because they became a profession chess player. He couldn't 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.280 pay the bills, and we were living in Indiana and 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.400 South South Chicago. We were in to get with no money, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.920 so I remember him saying that all the time. So 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.600 eventually my mother was it was English. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:00.640 I had to move back to. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.040 England because England has social housing. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:02.920 You get freehouse and you. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.520 Can get benefits and that kind of thing. We moved 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.400 back and my father stayed there. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.319 So I didn't see my father very much from the 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.040 time I moved. But my mother was always in charge 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:11.560 to keep me alive, and he was just in charge 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.480 of like giving me the lessons and stuff. So yeah, 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:15.959 it was an interesting life, but he was he was 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.480 a super principled man, like he turned down money what 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.880 was actually interesting towards the end of his life, about 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.760 three or four years before he died. No, no, it 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.679 must have been way before that, because I didn't have 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:32.160 money yet. Maybe ten years before he died. He called 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.080 me and said, you know, I've been principled for so long, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.360 and the way the world's turning and what American government's doing, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.959 and maybe I should have just signed or do you 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.680 think I should have just signed? Didn't say maybe sit, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.000 do you think I should have just signed? Said no doubt, no, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.679 you get to live with the pure heart. You shouldn't 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.160 just sign it. Was your mother saying I should just 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:50.600 sign it. 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.600 Now because I get back sign what exactly sign. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.200 That the narcissistic personality, so sell his sanity and get 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:57.720 back paid. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.760 Audio quality terrible? 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.800 Oh, I just so a lot of people slam it, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:04.720 a lot, a lot of military. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.760 I mean, you know people, that's that's that's all really 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.959 interesting to me. I think parts of this are true. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.839 Back pay with stuff like disability can work kind of 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.120 similarly to how Andrew describes it. I've known people who 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.079 were in the military and on disability and like were 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.680 later found to be at a higher level of disability 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.880 and like got ten years of back pay or something. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.880 So it's not impossible that it might have worked some 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.719 way similar to this. That said, there's definitely lots of 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.840 lies in here too, or at least things that Andrew's 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:40.280 not willing to believe about his background. I think it's 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.040 more on the side of lies, because he talks different 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.200 ways about why they moved to England at different points 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:50.320 in time. In other clips, he acknowledges that they didn't 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.840 move because England had social housing and you know, they 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.600 were just so poor. They moved because his dad cheated 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:57.960 on his mother and that made her leave the United 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.480 States and want to return to the United Kingdom, although 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.640 the fact that his narcissism was stopping them from being 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.439 able to support themselves probably played a role in why 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.959 she was willing to do that. We've got another clip here. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.280 You know, it's actually funny. I'll tell you a quick 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.560 story about when when my mom and dad split up, 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.360 we moved to England and my. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.400 Sister stops talking to my dad because my aus my 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.640 mom was upset as I split up and my dad 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:23.360 cheated and my. 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:24.480 Sister stopped talking to them. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.319 When when my sister stopped talking to my dad, me 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.240 and my brother obviously still spoke to him and he said, boys, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:28.959 when you're older. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.560 You'll understand. Now I'm older, I understand. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.599 Yeah, the girl so so. 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.280 And this is what I mean by cheating. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.199 This whole idea of cheating to me is it's it's 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.040 it's propagated by obviously Western society. It's propagated like the 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.520 powerful females, this idea that no man should ever dare 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.319 fuck anyone but them, and to me, it's asinine. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.040 You're asinine. You don't mother buster. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.480 He's just so stupid. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.920 It was just like, yeah, man, Like if it's not 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.920 uncommon for people to like bounce when they find out 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:05.000 their partners fucking around on them like that, that's not weird. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:09.480 That's not like feminism, especially since it'd be one thing. Again, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.079 it's not just that your dad was fucking around on 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.839 your mom. It's that your dad led the family into 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.480 gut wrenching poverty and then slept around on your mom 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.440 and was gone all the time, and as we're going 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:28.120 to cover, was definitely abusive, at least mentally abusive, and 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.440 obviously we talked about him shoving young Andrew around, probably 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.560 physically abusive too. Here's a clip where Andrew talks about 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.360 some of the pretty profound mental abuse that Emory subjected 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:39.040 as children to. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.520 I remember going home to my dad and saying, hey, Dad, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.440 can have a night light. He saying no, it's like 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.200 put I'm scare of the dark. And I remember he 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.400 was playing chess. When I sat up scare of the dark. 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:47.880 You looked at me. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.440 It was nighttime. He took my ass up to my bedroom, 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.080 locked me in the bedroom in the dark, said there's 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.000 monsters in their son, good luck, see you tomorrow. I 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:56.880 screamed and cried all my I almost screaming, cried for 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.640 an hour, hour and a half before I bentually fell asleep. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.000 Guess what, I never asked for our night again. I 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.960 never complained again. And guess why stop being scared of 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:03.280 the dark? 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:05.160 Oh my god, brave? 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:17.200 Yeah, fun like they're they're just supposed to be universal, 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.200 you know what I mean. Like, yeah, a lot of 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.680 kids are afraid of the dark. A lot of kids 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.000 get over that fear. But he got over it so quickly, 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.320 the most the moon. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.040 The fastest anyone has ever gotten over being afraid of 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:33.640 the dark by himself in an hour. And then he's 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.800 just fine. And now he's Andrew Tait's Andrew. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.560 It is so funny. It's really funny that like his 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.480 dad locked him in a closet. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.560 No, no, it's it's it's it's but it gave him 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.000 a night light and told him to go to bed 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:47.560 and shout out. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.040 It is funny that he talked about it, That's what 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:50.560 it's funny. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.720 It's funny that he talked about it as like, isn't 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:57.000 this awesome. This is like my fucking uh badass martial 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.400 arts origin story, like my dad locking me in a closet. Probably, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.080 given what else we know about Emory, he was drunk 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.040 and didn't want to deal with his son. It's just 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.760 it's like, it's both fucked up. What's funny is like 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.200 the degree to which Andrew like takes pride in it, 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.000 as like this is what made me the tough, competent 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.360 man I am today is being locked in a closet 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.680 at night when I got scared. So all of this, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.480 along with Rolling Stones reporting, paints a picture of Andrew 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.200 as a kid who showed, I think always potential signs 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.240 of becoming this kind of man. Although he might not 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.680 have been sort of destined to go down I don't 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.000 think he was destined to go down the path that 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.640 he did. Some of the conversations that Rolling Stone had 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.640 with people who knew the Tates as kids when they 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.320 were in the US described very young Andrew as a 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.480 thoughtful and pretty well behaved kid. One of the anecdotes 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.520 I heard him and stuck out is that during family 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.200 dinners he had a lot of like younger relatives, cousins 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.160 and stuff, and he was always really careful to set 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.120 up the table for them, to make sure that they 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.320 had all of the plates and utensils that they This 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.320 was just like a thing he did without being asked, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.600 is make sure that his younger relatives were taken care 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:10.040 of at these family gatherings and stuff that said, there 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.119 was always, you know, again, he's Emory Tait's kid. There 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.679 was always sort of signs of the kind of man 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.520 that he did eventually become. From Rolling Stone quote, those 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.280 who knew Tate as a young man say they saw 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.560 glimpses of misogynistic raggedocio and a need for attention that 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.960 they never imagined it would reach this point. If this 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.280 Tait is a caricature, then it's one rooted in truth 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.159 and morphed out of control. The character he's created is 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.640 based on what he thinks masculinity should be. A source 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.639 who knew Tait as a young man says, and this 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.600 is the sad thing about it. He has been playing 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.880 this character for so long that he has actually become 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.880 worse than the character he portrays. And I think kind 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.480 of the basis of his character is the way is 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.600 Dad portrayed himself. That's the impression that I get to 0:17:53.119 --> 0:18:00.480 quote from a great band, I don't know, like that's 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.320 that's that's all kind of interesting to me, I would 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.000 say so. I think like one of the things that 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.680 you have to get here is there at kind of 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.520 the core of Andrews both that his dad, who is 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.359 this alcoholic narcissist who cannot admit his own failures and 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.680 also cannot take care of his family. Andrew's never able 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.800 to put down the lies that his dad kind of 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.840 tells to justify this, and at the same time, when 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.320 his mom leads, He's never really able to honestly process that. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.760 And I think this sort of mythic image of his 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:38.440 dad just becomes his kind of attitude towards what masculinity 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:43.440 should be forevermore, this affects Tristan as well. His younger 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:48.080 brother grows up always forgot about I. Almost everyone does 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.200 because he's he's not interesting on his own and other 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.680 people who knew the tapes as like boys in the UK, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.320 will claim that Tristan was kind of Andrew's lap dog 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.640 his entire life, like even as a little kid. That's 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.640 certainly the way their relationship looks just from the video 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:07.640 evidence we have today. A source described them as codependent, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:12.200 which I don't doubt, and said it's like Tristan is 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.439 held captive by Andrew and believes or follows everything Andrew 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.520 says or does. Quote Another referred to Andrew as a 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.439 father figure of sorts, saying that Tristan had modeled himself 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.040 and Andrew's image due to their real father, Emory, being 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.320 largely absent from their lives. And that's interesting to me. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.879 You've got sort of like Andrew, who's being this carbon 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.760