Speaker 1: What apparently shockingly well hung my young male lead from
Speaker 1: the movie Spi Kids. But now now he's in his
Speaker 1: like thirties, so it's fine that a good intro. Sophie,
Speaker 1: is that a good intro? We spent ten minutes before
Speaker 1: the episode talking to me about the fact that the
Speaker 1: Spy Kids kid grewed up to marry Meghan Trainer and
Speaker 1: have a huge wang. Now everybody's going to know that.
Speaker 2: I was discussing how for some reason, and Ian, who
Speaker 2: is also here, Hi, Ian Johnson, that we get on.
Speaker 3: Twitter, we get this like at pop Crave. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: neither of us follow.
Speaker 1: And everything I know about K pop comes from Twitter.
Speaker 1: Believing that I am incredibly interested in K pop. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying incredibly Twitter picks things for you to
Speaker 1: be interested in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the way it was, Well, can I can?
Speaker 2: I can?
Speaker 3: I Just I feel like I owe it to the
Speaker 3: listeners to read, to read this.
Speaker 1: To talk about to talk about this former child, Sophie.
Speaker 1: Former child so first off, problematic, okay.
Speaker 2: So spy kid so so so I'm not even okay.
Speaker 2: Megan Trainer causes chatter online after discussing her painful sex
Speaker 2: with big Boy husband Darryl.
Speaker 1: I was joking about it being I.
Speaker 2: Can't walk after I'm going to read the whole fucking thing,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. She can't walk after sex. It's
Speaker 2: to the point where I'm like, is it all in?
Speaker 2: And he's like just the tip and I'm like I
Speaker 2: can't do anymore and I don't know how to fix that.
Speaker 4: Why they think that's what you want to see, Sophie, that's.
Speaker 3: Because feel bullied like this is this.
Speaker 1: Is This is the first time that I have not
Speaker 1: been cripplingly depressed in weeks. So thank you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this this really I was right on the edge there, Sophie.
Speaker 1: I was right on the edge. But learning about learning
Speaker 1: about this this former child, massive, massive meat wagon has
Speaker 1: really has pulled me through. It's my it's my prozac. Well,
Speaker 1: I felt like these people I was formerly unaware of
Speaker 1: and their sex to there.
Speaker 2: They're also the couple that has two toilets in their
Speaker 2: bathrooms so they can shit next to each other. Which
Speaker 2: you know, all of this is fine, Well no it's not,
Speaker 2: but all of us is fine, But like, why do
Speaker 2: I have to know about it?
Speaker 3: Why does Ian have to know about it? And why
Speaker 3: do all of our listeners have to know about it.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you all of our listeners have to
Speaker 1: know about it because you would not stop telling me
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I thought they deserved a little
Speaker 3: bit of a ha ha before we got into this episode.
Speaker 3: What are we talking about Robert Evans.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, earlier this year, right at the start
Speaker 1: of this year, we did a four parter on mister
Speaker 1: Andrew Tait because I thought people needed to know more
Speaker 1: about him. There wasn't at that point really any kind
Speaker 1: of comprehensive profile on him. Let's look at his life,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of covering the whole sweep of everything
Speaker 1: he'd done and how he got to be so influential,
Speaker 1: you know, And at the I decided that enough has
Speaker 1: happened in the months since then that it was time
Speaker 1: for an Andrew up.
Speaker 2: Taate Wow, Chris, please please please insert some snaps snaps
Speaker 2: snaps for Robert. Please insert some snapping noise and some
Speaker 2: like little like a little applause but not too loud
Speaker 2: of applause, just like a little applya.
Speaker 1: No no find me like a standing ovation clip from
Speaker 1: the VMA's or something. Throw that in there, like three
Speaker 1: solid minutes.
Speaker 2: You know what, let's bring it back, find applause for
Speaker 2: Meghan Trainer performing.
Speaker 1: There there you go, make it all connect. So, at
Speaker 1: the time we covered mon Senior Tate, he was still
Speaker 1: locked up in a Romanian jail. There was not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of good info about his early life and
Speaker 1: rise to prominence. So I had to do a lot
Speaker 1: of digging to fill in hole since there just wasn't
Speaker 1: as much out there as there is now, and what
Speaker 1: there was out there was not conveniently located in articles.
Speaker 1: It was scattered throughout literally hundreds of different video clips
Speaker 1: on multiple different websites. Now, in the months since Andrew
Speaker 1: has Number one been released to house arrest, he's gone
Speaker 1: through Obviously, during the time he was in jail, he
Speaker 1: had a bit of a jail house odyssey of his own,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about. And he's also attracted a huge
Speaker 1: amount of reporting resources from outlets like Rolling Stone and
Speaker 1: the recently deceased BuzzFeed News. This has provided us with
Speaker 1: a lot more context about his early life, about kind
Speaker 1: of his rise to prominence, about you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of small mysteries that we had during the initial episodes.
Speaker 1: We did in addition to that, some of our own
Speaker 1: fans or one of our own fans has done some
Speaker 1: digging on the subreddit and they found some clips from
Speaker 1: some of Tate's videos that provided some additional context on
Speaker 1: his backstory. So today I'm going to give you guys
Speaker 1: an update on what's gone down since we last talk,
Speaker 1: as well as an expansion of the stuff we covered
Speaker 1: last time based on some new information. Most of the
Speaker 1: new info we've received focuses on his father, Imrie Tait,
Speaker 1: and what happened between him and his family during the
Speaker 1: part of Andrew's childhood that was previously a little bit
Speaker 1: of a black box. Oh yeah, By the way, Ian
Speaker 1: and Sophie are the guests for this episode. Hello, Ian
Speaker 1: and Sophie. We did I realized I had an interview,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, wow, wow, back. I think brave, brave
Speaker 1: of me to introduce you twice. That shows how much
Speaker 1: gratitude I have.
Speaker 2: You were just so enamored by that, by that big
Speaker 2: dick story that you couldn't you couldn't remember what had happened.
Speaker 2: You were digmatized.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, his eyes got glossy and everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So a lot of what I have learned here comes
Speaker 1: courtesy of a user on our subreddit chicken Stuff eighteen,
Speaker 1: who come through a bunch of again. Andrew's backstory is
Speaker 1: kind of scattered throughout hundreds of videos, many of which
Speaker 1: are lies. So some of the information in the videos
Speaker 1: this guy came up with was I found really compelling
Speaker 1: because we had kind of I talked a lot about
Speaker 1: Emory Tait, his father, the chess legend. We mentioned kind
Speaker 1: of one unsettling story Andrew told about him, like being
Speaker 1: shoved by him, a weird story about kind of him
Speaker 1: pulling his son out of a tournament for crying. But
Speaker 1: we didn't know a whole lot about the guy in
Speaker 1: some of these videos that were brought to my attention,
Speaker 1: tape admits that his father was a diagnosed narcissist, which
Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense are Andrew's behavior yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he he ties Andrew in while he never like
Speaker 1: like stops idolizing his father. He ties his father's likely
Speaker 1: narcissism to his eventual separation from the military and the
Speaker 1: fact that the family was destitute when Andrew was a kid.
Speaker 1: In Andrew's recollection of events, which probably doesn't entirely correspond
Speaker 1: with reality, but probably does correspond with what he was
Speaker 1: told as a kid by his dad, Emory. You know,
Speaker 1: because Emory is working for the Air Force and he
Speaker 1: has an argument with a superior officer over how to
Speaker 1: like translate some sort of document that they've they've taken in,
Speaker 1: and Emory is unable to like either admit that he's
Speaker 1: wrong or like give up the argument, right, You know
Speaker 1: that kind of way that that narcissists do, where you
Speaker 1: know a thing that a normal person, even if the
Speaker 1: normal person is like, well, you know, I don't agree
Speaker 1: with this, and at a certain point you just kind
Speaker 1: of like let it go. Usually, Emory keeps on this
Speaker 1: to the point that it makes it impossible for anyone
Speaker 1: to work with him. He is initially like forced off
Speaker 1: of his actual duties and like made to like work
Speaker 1: as a janitor. They're basically like you because of how
Speaker 1: you can't let this go, you are no longer capable
Speaker 1: of doing your regular jobs, so like sweep the fucking floor.
Speaker 1: But he continues to be such a problem that the
Speaker 1: Air Force offers him a separation from the military. Now
Speaker 1: he has been doing this long enough that he qualifies
Speaker 1: for a pension, and his superiors are like, look, this
Speaker 1: is a messy situation. We will basically put you on
Speaker 1: disability and thus allow you to like get a pension,
Speaker 1: but you have to admit to the diagnosis that our
Speaker 1: internal doctors have given you of narcissistic personality disorder. The
Speaker 1: phrase that Andrew uses for this, that his dad presumably
Speaker 1: told him, was that the Air Force was asking Emory
Speaker 1: to put a price tag on his sanity and he
Speaker 1: refused to do that and thus did not get a pension,
Speaker 1: and that's why the entire family wound up destitute. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's some evidence that this is more or
Speaker 1: less what happened. Rolling Stone looked into the story. They
Speaker 1: confirmed that Emory was discharged from the Air Force in
Speaker 1: ninety two, and his biographer wrote, quote, superiors believed Tate
Speaker 1: embellished intelligence and cited a personality disorder. Now that's a
Speaker 1: little bit different from what Andrew's claiming, you know, which
Speaker 1: was that he had an argument with a superior about
Speaker 1: how to translate a document. The way that his biographer
Speaker 1: describes it, it sounds more like Andrew was like exaggerating things,
Speaker 1: maybe for personal benefit. In any case, said biographer also
Speaker 1: notes that Emory became an alcoholic after leaving the Air
Speaker 1: Force was all which interrupted his chess career and had
Speaker 1: him kicked out of at least one tournament. Despite all
Speaker 1: of this, Andrew continues to idolize his father, portraying his
Speaker 1: refusal to acknowledge his diagnosis or accept this pension as
Speaker 1: an act of courage. And I want to play you
Speaker 1: a clip of him talking about this from an interview
Speaker 1: he did with a guy named Patrick bet David, who
Speaker 1: I don't really totally know how to describe Patrick. He's
Speaker 1: like kind of in the weirdo right wing grind and
Speaker 1: SETI communities see in this video.
Speaker 3: He's the dude in the back in the back in
Speaker 3: the blue jacket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's interesting.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I assume one of his cronies, ye, Patrick.
Speaker 1: But Patrick did famously an interview with Alex Jones kind
Speaker 1: of early in Alex's legal troubles. That's actually not bad.
Speaker 1: It's one of like the better early like a kind
Speaker 1: of adversarial interviews with with Alex. But anyway, here's Andrew
Speaker 1: talking about his father to Patrick bet David.
Speaker 5: Anyway, when they discharged him, he said personality sorer. And
Speaker 5: the reason they said he had that is because he
Speaker 5: refused to listen to one of his commanders. I don't
Speaker 5: know the exact story, so I don't want to say
Speaker 5: it on tape. But he refused to listen to what
Speaker 5: his commanders about a recording on a tape, and my
Speaker 5: father was arguing with him about the translation of a
Speaker 5: certain word. My father believed it was slang for something else.
Speaker 5: Superior believed it's something else. They got to a personal beef.
Speaker 5: It developed over months and months and months of arguments
Speaker 5: about translations, and eventually the end, my dad I ended
Speaker 5: up being told to sweep outside for eight hours a day.
Speaker 5: And then I got to the point of my father
Speaker 5: at the charge, so they discharged him. They diagnos him
Speaker 5: with Narcissi's personal disorders. The saity wouldn't listen, and they
Speaker 5: offered him this military pension and he refused it. He said,
Speaker 5: my sanity is not for sale. And I know that
Speaker 5: line because my mother used to scream all the time
Speaker 5: when we were broke in the house. You could have
Speaker 5: had money, Emory, my sonity's not for sale.
Speaker 4: Now we went broke, right, So I remember the bargamy.
Speaker 1: Hemory, we could have had money, now we're broke.
Speaker 5: So because they became a profession chess player. He couldn't
Speaker 5: pay the bills, and we were living in Indiana and
Speaker 5: South South Chicago. We were in to get with no money,
Speaker 5: so I remember him saying that all the time. So
Speaker 5: eventually my mother was it was English.
Speaker 1: I had to move back to.
Speaker 5: England because England has social housing.
Speaker 1: You get freehouse and you.
Speaker 4: Can get benefits and that kind of thing. We moved
Speaker 4: back and my father stayed there.
Speaker 5: So I didn't see my father very much from the
Speaker 5: time I moved. But my mother was always in charge
Speaker 5: to keep me alive, and he was just in charge
Speaker 5: of like giving me the lessons and stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it was an interesting life, but he was he was
Speaker 5: a super principled man, like he turned down money what
Speaker 5: was actually interesting towards the end of his life, about
Speaker 5: three or four years before he died. No, no, it
Speaker 5: must have been way before that, because I didn't have
Speaker 5: money yet. Maybe ten years before he died. He called
Speaker 5: me and said, you know, I've been principled for so long,
Speaker 5: and the way the world's turning and what American government's doing,
Speaker 5: and maybe I should have just signed or do you
Speaker 5: think I should have just signed? Didn't say maybe sit,
Speaker 5: do you think I should have just signed? Said no doubt, no,
Speaker 5: you get to live with the pure heart. You shouldn't
Speaker 5: just sign it. Was your mother saying I should just
Speaker 5: sign it.
Speaker 1: Now because I get back sign what exactly sign.
Speaker 5: That the narcissistic personality, so sell his sanity and get
Speaker 5: back paid.
Speaker 3: Audio quality terrible?
Speaker 4: Oh, I just so a lot of people slam it,
Speaker 4: a lot, a lot of military.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know people, that's that's that's all really
Speaker 1: interesting to me. I think parts of this are true.
Speaker 1: Back pay with stuff like disability can work kind of
Speaker 1: similarly to how Andrew describes it. I've known people who
Speaker 1: were in the military and on disability and like were
Speaker 1: later found to be at a higher level of disability
Speaker 1: and like got ten years of back pay or something.
Speaker 1: So it's not impossible that it might have worked some
Speaker 1: way similar to this. That said, there's definitely lots of
Speaker 1: lies in here too, or at least things that Andrew's
Speaker 1: not willing to believe about his background. I think it's
Speaker 1: more on the side of lies, because he talks different
Speaker 1: ways about why they moved to England at different points
Speaker 1: in time. In other clips, he acknowledges that they didn't
Speaker 1: move because England had social housing and you know, they
Speaker 1: were just so poor. They moved because his dad cheated
Speaker 1: on his mother and that made her leave the United
Speaker 1: States and want to return to the United Kingdom, although
Speaker 1: the fact that his narcissism was stopping them from being
Speaker 1: able to support themselves probably played a role in why
Speaker 1: she was willing to do that. We've got another clip here.
Speaker 5: You know, it's actually funny. I'll tell you a quick
Speaker 5: story about when when my mom and dad split up,
Speaker 5: we moved to England and my.
Speaker 6: Sister stops talking to my dad because my aus my
Speaker 6: mom was upset as I split up and my dad
Speaker 6: cheated and my.
Speaker 4: Sister stopped talking to them.
Speaker 6: When when my sister stopped talking to my dad, me
Speaker 6: and my brother obviously still spoke to him and he said, boys,
Speaker 6: when you're older.
Speaker 4: You'll understand. Now I'm older, I understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the girl so so.
Speaker 4: And this is what I mean by cheating.
Speaker 6: This whole idea of cheating to me is it's it's
Speaker 6: it's propagated by obviously Western society. It's propagated like the
Speaker 6: powerful females, this idea that no man should ever dare
Speaker 6: fuck anyone but them, and to me, it's asinine.
Speaker 3: You're asinine. You don't mother buster.
Speaker 4: He's just so stupid.
Speaker 1: It was just like, yeah, man, Like if it's not
Speaker 1: uncommon for people to like bounce when they find out
Speaker 1: their partners fucking around on them like that, that's not weird.
Speaker 1: That's not like feminism, especially since it'd be one thing. Again,
Speaker 1: it's not just that your dad was fucking around on
Speaker 1: your mom. It's that your dad led the family into
Speaker 1: gut wrenching poverty and then slept around on your mom
Speaker 1: and was gone all the time, and as we're going
Speaker 1: to cover, was definitely abusive, at least mentally abusive, and
Speaker 1: obviously we talked about him shoving young Andrew around, probably
Speaker 1: physically abusive too. Here's a clip where Andrew talks about
Speaker 1: some of the pretty profound mental abuse that Emory subjected
Speaker 1: as children to.
Speaker 5: I remember going home to my dad and saying, hey, Dad,
Speaker 5: can have a night light. He saying no, it's like
Speaker 5: put I'm scare of the dark. And I remember he
Speaker 5: was playing chess. When I sat up scare of the dark.
Speaker 1: You looked at me.
Speaker 5: It was nighttime. He took my ass up to my bedroom,
Speaker 5: locked me in the bedroom in the dark, said there's
Speaker 5: monsters in their son, good luck, see you tomorrow. I
Speaker 5: screamed and cried all my I almost screaming, cried for
Speaker 5: an hour, hour and a half before I bentually fell asleep.
Speaker 5: Guess what, I never asked for our night again. I
Speaker 5: never complained again. And guess why stop being scared of
Speaker 5: the dark?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, brave?
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun like they're they're just supposed to be universal,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: kids are afraid of the dark. A lot of kids
Speaker 2: get over that fear. But he got over it so quickly,
Speaker 2: the most the moon.
Speaker 4: The fastest anyone has ever gotten over being afraid of
Speaker 4: the dark by himself in an hour. And then he's
Speaker 4: just fine. And now he's Andrew Tait's Andrew.
Speaker 1: It is so funny. It's really funny that like his
Speaker 1: dad locked him in a closet.
Speaker 4: No, no, it's it's it's it's but it gave him
Speaker 4: a night light and told him to go to bed
Speaker 4: and shout out.
Speaker 3: It is funny that he talked about it, That's what
Speaker 3: it's funny.
Speaker 1: It's funny that he talked about it as like, isn't
Speaker 1: this awesome. This is like my fucking uh badass martial
Speaker 1: arts origin story, like my dad locking me in a closet. Probably,
Speaker 1: given what else we know about Emory, he was drunk
Speaker 1: and didn't want to deal with his son. It's just
Speaker 1: it's like, it's both fucked up. What's funny is like
Speaker 1: the degree to which Andrew like takes pride in it,
Speaker 1: as like this is what made me the tough, competent
Speaker 1: man I am today is being locked in a closet
Speaker 1: at night when I got scared. So all of this,
Speaker 1: along with Rolling Stones reporting, paints a picture of Andrew
Speaker 1: as a kid who showed, I think always potential signs
Speaker 1: of becoming this kind of man. Although he might not
Speaker 1: have been sort of destined to go down I don't
Speaker 1: think he was destined to go down the path that
Speaker 1: he did. Some of the conversations that Rolling Stone had
Speaker 1: with people who knew the Tates as kids when they
Speaker 1: were in the US described very young Andrew as a
Speaker 1: thoughtful and pretty well behaved kid. One of the anecdotes
Speaker 1: I heard him and stuck out is that during family
Speaker 1: dinners he had a lot of like younger relatives, cousins
Speaker 1: and stuff, and he was always really careful to set
Speaker 1: up the table for them, to make sure that they
Speaker 1: had all of the plates and utensils that they This
Speaker 1: was just like a thing he did without being asked,
Speaker 1: is make sure that his younger relatives were taken care
Speaker 1: of at these family gatherings and stuff that said, there
Speaker 1: was always, you know, again, he's Emory Tait's kid. There
Speaker 1: was always sort of signs of the kind of man
Speaker 1: that he did eventually become. From Rolling Stone quote, those
Speaker 1: who knew Tate as a young man say they saw
Speaker 1: glimpses of misogynistic raggedocio and a need for attention that
Speaker 1: they never imagined it would reach this point. If this
Speaker 1: Tait is a caricature, then it's one rooted in truth
Speaker 1: and morphed out of control. The character he's created is
Speaker 1: based on what he thinks masculinity should be. A source
Speaker 1: who knew Tait as a young man says, and this
Speaker 1: is the sad thing about it. He has been playing
Speaker 1: this character for so long that he has actually become
Speaker 1: worse than the character he portrays. And I think kind
Speaker 1: of the basis of his character is the way is
Speaker 1: Dad portrayed himself. That's the impression that I get to
Speaker 1: quote from a great band, I don't know, like that's
Speaker 1: that's that's all kind of interesting to me, I would
Speaker 1: say so. I think like one of the things that
Speaker 1: you have to get here is there at kind of
Speaker 1: the core of Andrews both that his dad, who is
Speaker 1: this alcoholic narcissist who cannot admit his own failures and
Speaker 1: also cannot take care of his family. Andrew's never able
Speaker 1: to put down the lies that his dad kind of
Speaker 1: tells to justify this, and at the same time, when
Speaker 1: his mom leads, He's never really able to honestly process that.
Speaker 1: And I think this sort of mythic image of his
Speaker 1: dad just becomes his kind of attitude towards what masculinity
Speaker 1: should be forevermore, this affects Tristan as well. His younger
Speaker 1: brother grows up always forgot about I. Almost everyone does
Speaker 1: because he's he's not interesting on his own and other
Speaker 1: people who knew the tapes as like boys in the UK,
Speaker 1: will claim that Tristan was kind of Andrew's lap dog
Speaker 1: his entire life, like even as a little kid. That's
Speaker 1: certainly the way their relationship looks just from the video
Speaker 1: evidence we have today. A source described them as codependent,
Speaker 1: which I don't doubt, and said it's like Tristan is
Speaker 1: held captive by Andrew and believes or follows everything Andrew
Speaker 1: says or does. Quote Another referred to Andrew as a
Speaker 1: father figure of sorts, saying that Tristan had modeled himself
Speaker 1: and Andrew's image due to their real father, Emory, being
Speaker 1: largely absent from their lives. And that's interesting to me.
Speaker 1: You've got sort of like Andrew, who's being this carbon
Speaker 1: copy of how his dad presented himself to children, and
Speaker 1: then Tristan being a carbon copy of that. It's depressing,
Speaker 1: like this is not the way human beings ought to live,
Speaker 1: But you know how human beings ought to live.
Speaker 3: Off of the products and services that support the show.
Speaker 1: That's right, and only this. Look, if there's not ads
Speaker 1: for food on for a couple of weeks, then you die.
Speaker 1: That's just the way, Yeah, it has to be.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, don't make the rules here and have little to
Speaker 2: no control over anything when it comes to ads, So
Speaker 2: you get what you get.
Speaker 3: Motherfucker's sorry, and.
Speaker 4: Stop yelling at us about it, like we can do
Speaker 4: anything about it.
Speaker 3: Just the ads, we simply cannot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, we are all b a Q. So additional
Speaker 1: reporting has also given us new details about the tates
Speaker 1: life in the UK. The Tates' lives in the UK's
Speaker 1: Tate has claimed numerous times, what are you doing? What grammar, Sophie,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a grammar?
Speaker 3: You're doing a grammar? Okay?
Speaker 4: Oh I love the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing a grammar. I'm doing a grammar.
Speaker 3: All right, Well I'm doing a that's not grammar correct.
Speaker 1: Well then you can take that up on the grammar
Speaker 1: pod launching next month, where I mainly inform people about
Speaker 1: how they can attorney's general other job titles. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about the taits in the UK. Andrew has claimed
Speaker 1: numerous times that he was bullied for being an American
Speaker 1: and mixed race. Some sources agreed that he seemed not
Speaker 1: to fit in and that this may have contributed to
Speaker 1: him feeling the need to prove himself.
Speaker 3: That does seem extremely likely.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean just simply simply experiencing racism as
Speaker 1: a not white kid in the UK for sure. Like,
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that that was a part of
Speaker 1: his childhood.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Andrew also, though seems to have exaggerated the degree to
Speaker 1: which he and his brother kind of financially struggled in
Speaker 1: their early days. We reported in our early episodes on
Speaker 1: claims that Andrew made at the start of his kickboxing
Speaker 1: career that he and Tristan had to live on like dirt, cheap, horrible,
Speaker 1: unappealing food. This like bland concoction they called flavor as
Speaker 1: a joke, and other videos tat his claim that they
Speaker 1: had to steal uneaten KFC leftovers from buckets on tables
Speaker 1: because they couldn't get enough protein otherwise. One person who
Speaker 1: knew him early in his career said that this was bullshit.
Speaker 1: He never came from poverty. If he's saying he's gone
Speaker 1: around to nicking KFC chicken, that's a complete lie. He
Speaker 1: had a portion of Ferrari, and there are photos of
Speaker 1: the time when Andrew claimed to be living off a
Speaker 1: Pilford chicken that confirms he did have a Porsche. I
Speaker 1: actually don't think Andrew is necessarily lying here, so let
Speaker 1: me let me explain this. Andrew has always placed huge
Speaker 1: value on visible shows of wealth, and nothing seems to
Speaker 1: do more for his ego there than displaying expensive vehicles
Speaker 1: that he owns. I can imagine him early in his
Speaker 1: sports career, getting a big prize after winning a competition.
Speaker 1: Some of them were like one hundred thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. But given the nature of
Speaker 1: his business, it's also the kind of thing you maybe
Speaker 1: get one of those every year or even every like
Speaker 1: two years, so you know, most people would like you
Speaker 1: you have to be kind of careful with that. I
Speaker 1: don't have trouble seeing him blowing most of a year's
Speaker 1: living cash on a car that he can show off
Speaker 1: with and then scrounging for the basics of survival everywhere else, right.
Speaker 4: Like that car to take some photos or something, and
Speaker 4: then taking it back or something like that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: all about appearances like that. That's yeah, that's not too
Speaker 4: far fetched.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that what he might not be lying
Speaker 1: about that. One of the most compelling details from that
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone article to me is that they bring up
Speaker 1: an early reality TV appearance by Andrew that I had
Speaker 1: not been aware of. In two thousand and nine, we
Speaker 1: talked about his appearance on that like fucking weird dating
Speaker 1: show thing, But in two thousand and nine he was
Speaker 1: on another show called Ultimate Traveler, which is a British
Speaker 1: competition where young people in Indonesia like backpacked on camera
Speaker 1: and they had like different sort of challenges where who
Speaker 1: can get to this place fastest, you know, on foot
Speaker 1: or using public transit or.
Speaker 4: Whatever and make amazing race.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it was a kind of a
Speaker 1: discount amazing race. The prize was like ten grand and
Speaker 1: it seems to have basically been like backpack, very simple
Speaker 1: backpacking challenges and they kind of voted you had like
Speaker 1: the prize went to whoever, like the other contestants voted
Speaker 1: had done best. Anyway, here's Andrew's first introduction there. My
Speaker 1: plan is to lie and cheat my way to his competition.
Speaker 1: Once another left, time it returning. Yeah, so that's that's Andrew.
Speaker 1: You can you can see at that early stage he's
Speaker 1: already kind of settled on a vision for the character
Speaker 1: of himself. He's the bad guy who gets results. He's
Speaker 1: not constrained by the ethics of lesser men. He'll lie
Speaker 1: and he'll cheat, but there's also this kind of like
Speaker 1: necessary humility he has to show because he tries, he's
Speaker 1: trying to break into TV. This is a show where,
Speaker 1: like everyone on it is like an inexperienced traveler, which
Speaker 1: is a little more, a little more vulnerability than he
Speaker 1: would admit to kind of in the present day. Here's
Speaker 1: a clip of him from that show that's a bit longer.
Speaker 1: Twenty one year old Anglo American Andrew Tait is a
Speaker 1: straight talking entrepreneur with his own advertising company in Luton.
Speaker 4: I'm very mentally strong.
Speaker 7: If I want to achieve something, I will achieve it,
Speaker 7: because I've never been in a situation in my life
Speaker 7: so far in my twenty one years where I really
Speaker 7: wanted something I didn't get it. I'm not sure what
Speaker 7: my fellow dramas we like. The worst kind of people
Speaker 7: would need to be two faced people, which is undoubtedly
Speaker 7: going to happen at some point during this trip. People
Speaker 7: who seek attention and anyone who thinks are exceptionally smart
Speaker 7: or exceptually physically capable and.
Speaker 4: They have nothing to back up. It's gonna quick a
Speaker 4: get my nerves. He just described himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is funny that he just described himself.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, that's I.
Speaker 2: Don't really want to like comment on his appearance or anything,
Speaker 2: but he does look like he looks like a slim gym.
Speaker 1: He does look like a Slimjym Sophie because he looks
Speaker 1: like you would snap into him, right, yeah, yes, and
Speaker 1: I do mean that in a sexual way.
Speaker 3: I was I did not, but okay, yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just saying he had more He had more twink energy
Speaker 1: in this era than he does today.
Speaker 3: It looks like a Slimjym.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a Slimjym. So. One person Rolling Stone
Speaker 1: interview described his overall attitude on the show as desperate,
Speaker 1: specifically desperate to be seen as the baddie. He's not
Speaker 1: as good at portraying himself that way as he will
Speaker 1: eventually become. Quote. This was not the impression that several
Speaker 1: people who worked in the show had of Tate. One
Speaker 1: source close to the production described him as hypersensitive, recalling
Speaker 1: an incident where he, during a bandana making challenge, blew
Speaker 1: up at another contestant who gently mocked him for getting
Speaker 1: paint everywhere. He seemed a little bit insecure. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, they say he just wanted to fit in.
Speaker 1: Contrary to his extremely libidinous womanizing persona, Tate did not
Speaker 1: seem like a ladies man and was rarely seen in
Speaker 1: the company of women. Another source close to his reality
Speaker 1: TV career says, I don't think he's a guy likes
Speaker 1: being around women. If that makes sense, They say, it
Speaker 1: sure does, and it's it's because, like again, Andrew likes
Speaker 1: to be seen around women. But Andrew also does not
Speaker 1: have like the kind of self confidence or ability to
Speaker 1: uh the or ability to like interact with people on
Speaker 1: anything that like could be approaching a level of equals.
Speaker 1: Like he cannot be around women who are not there
Speaker 1: because they need something from him, right, because they're vulnerable
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: Well, Robert, he was the first kid to be the
Speaker 2: quickest to be no longer afraid of the dark, So
Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, ladies, this guy not afraid of the dark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, yeah, he just like seems like the kind
Speaker 4: of guy who like wants to be seen with women
Speaker 4: all the time, but he hates women, so of course
Speaker 4: he like can't like have a meaningful conversation with any
Speaker 4: one or will actually have to interact with them. He
Speaker 4: just wants to be seen with beautiful women, but he
Speaker 4: hates women, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he definitely like he's also afraid of them though, right,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this a little bit later. It's not
Speaker 1: just that he like hates women, it's that he's scared
Speaker 1: to be around them if he's not in total control
Speaker 1: of them, because women have the ability to embarrass you.
Speaker 1: It's this kind of thing. It's also the ability, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gotten over the fact that
Speaker 1: his mom left his dad, because it kind of if
Speaker 1: he processes that, it kind of completely shatters this image
Speaker 1: of his father because his mom left, not just because
Speaker 1: his dad cheated, because his dad couldn't do the things
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to do as the quote unquote ahead
Speaker 1: of the family, right, he's not taking care of shit,
Speaker 1: and so like that that, like it's the same we're
Speaker 1: seeing Stephen Crowder, who's was is now much less of
Speaker 1: it was a very big right wing personality, has just
Speaker 1: there's this ongoing blow up in the Daily Wire kind
Speaker 1: of far right sphere where all of his former friends
Speaker 1: are like rolling on him. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that's come out is that his wife is divorcing him,
Speaker 1: and he went on a long rant about how this
Speaker 1: is only possible because the state of Texas allows one
Speaker 1: party divorces. Right. Basically, if a woman doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be married, she can leave. And he hates a lot
Speaker 1: a lot of men on the right hate this. And
Speaker 1: Andrew hates this because, among other things, it means that
Speaker 1: like they have the freedom to embarrass you, is the
Speaker 1: way he's see And I'm not saying people should be embarrassed.
Speaker 1: The marriages don't work out, that's fine, you know, that's life.
Speaker 1: But that's how he sees it, right, Ah, that's actually
Speaker 1: so funny. It's really fun I mean, yeah, it is funny.
Speaker 1: It is funny because he's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: It is funny because he's a piece of shit. Also,
Speaker 2: embarrassing men is a great hobby and I encourage.
Speaker 3: It too many.
Speaker 1: It's critical stuff. So yeah, it's kind of worth noting that,
Speaker 1: like his initial life goal, right, he's martial arts. I
Speaker 1: do think he never really saw martial arts as much
Speaker 1: but a stepping stone. Maybe there was a point at
Speaker 1: which he thought he could be like a big celebrity
Speaker 1: through it, but it became pretty clear early on he
Speaker 1: does not have the kind of charisma that was going
Speaker 1: to make that possible. He's also not good enough at
Speaker 1: working with people. I think, like, you know, look at
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, fucking Dave Batista, right, who comes
Speaker 1: out of the m M A world and became a
Speaker 1: great actor, famously good at working with people. I think
Speaker 1: that's generally the case with those folks. Andrew's just like
Speaker 1: he's an ass He's a giant asshole.
Speaker 3: And like and like he wasn't good enough to be
Speaker 3: you know, like that's just not happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get away with being the giant piece
Speaker 1: of shit if you're a fucking back at it, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he just isn't. He's not like a Mike Tyson, right.
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson can get could get away with some ship
Speaker 1: because he was very good at punching people. Certainly, Andrew
Speaker 1: Taits just kind of made it punching people. So before
Speaker 1: settling on social media and you know, kind of being
Speaker 1: a weird online discord cult leader, his first clear goal
Speaker 1: was to become big on reality TV and then parlay
Speaker 1: that celebrity into a larger career. He decided the best
Speaker 1: way to do this was being seen as aggressive and dangerous,
Speaker 1: which is also funny because like I think about two
Speaker 1: of the three of really the biggest kind of people
Speaker 1: to come out of combat sort of sport type dealies
Speaker 1: and go into acting in the recent past, and like
Speaker 1: obviously two of them are you know, pro wrestling, which
Speaker 1: is very different from MMA. But like, you know, you
Speaker 1: look at Dave Batista, you look at the Rock, you
Speaker 1: look at oh, what's his name, the guy in Peacemate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Johnson is like his own kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is It is interesting to me. His
Speaker 1: attitude is like, well, if I want to break in
Speaker 1: as a big celebrity, people have to see me as
Speaker 1: the dangerous asshole. Well, like all of the big celebrities
Speaker 1: that came in through like fighting kind of media are
Speaker 1: like famous for being really pleasant. That's a huge part
Speaker 1: of their brand is them, is them being seen done
Speaker 1: like the most.
Speaker 4: Make a wishes of all time, and like it's just
Speaker 4: like the chill is dude. Of course people love him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a and it's interesting, like how kind of
Speaker 1: out of the zeitgeist he is. There was a time,
Speaker 1: you know, look you can look at like Steven Sagall, right,
Speaker 1: who also comes out of kind of fighting sports, right,
Speaker 1: and it was famously a giant asshole and a psychopath
Speaker 1: and a rapist a lot like Andrew Tape. But that
Speaker 1: was a really different era. Right by the time Andrew
Speaker 1: was trying to break in to stardom, we in the
Speaker 1: West have decided that when we when we make a
Speaker 1: big fighting guy into a celebrity, we want him to
Speaker 1: be like a friendly giant as opposed to a crazy asshole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just where we are now. You know you can
Speaker 1: you can take what you will from that. Anyway. I
Speaker 1: found a story about Andrew in one of these articles
Speaker 1: that I think says a lot, like kind of reinforces
Speaker 1: the point we were making about how he feel his
Speaker 1: awkwardness around women. There's a story in the Rolling Stone
Speaker 1: Report about a woman who visits him. Who visited him
Speaker 1: in Tristan in their home for a party in like
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and described him very differently from
Speaker 1: how he's usually described. She said it was a really
Speaker 1: good time at first Andrew hanging out with her and
Speaker 1: her friends. He gives her like a boxing lesson. She's
Speaker 1: having a lot of fun with him, but he's also
Speaker 1: kind of like a weird guy. She noted that he
Speaker 1: was like there wasn't like much interesting or creative about him,
Speaker 1: Like he knew how to fight, but he didn't really
Speaker 1: have much to talk about, and he kept kind of
Speaker 1: like going over the same lines, talking about his Porsche,
Speaker 1: talking about his championship, belts, and after a while they
Speaker 1: decided to, like, you know, this is the UK, take
Speaker 1: the piss out of him a little bit, right, So
Speaker 1: they she and a friend do a photo shoot in
Speaker 1: front of his Porsche with like posing with his championship
Speaker 1: belts and dressed they dressed his punching bag and girls clothes. Right.
Speaker 1: They were like fuck around with him a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, And they posted this ship on Facebook and
Speaker 1: he blows up like what sounds like a very scary,
Speaker 1: like like like rage episode. He's cursing at them, calling
Speaker 1: them bitches. You get the feeling he's kind of at
Speaker 1: least being physically threatening, although they certainly don't say that
Speaker 1: he like attacked them. But like so they leave and
Speaker 1: they never see him again. But it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where like he's kind of the instant he's laughed at,
Speaker 1: he he's like that that just absolutely destroys any kind
Speaker 1: of self control he has. The the the mere fact
Speaker 1: of a woman laughing at him is the thing that
Speaker 1: like devastates this man, I don't know, says a lot.
Speaker 3: Well, so many women have laughed at him since.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah to suck man, And it's one of
Speaker 1: the again, like one of the one of the best
Speaker 1: things you can uh be as a guy, uh if
Speaker 1: you if you are interested in like not not being
Speaker 1: a creepy weirdo is not flip the fuck out when
Speaker 1: people laughing because it happens so well.
Speaker 4: Is a skill I think more people need to develop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it it it. It really deeply unsettles people when
Speaker 1: like you do something silly and they laugh at you,
Speaker 1: and then you act like a psychopath like that makes
Speaker 1: people think that you might murder them.
Speaker 4: It's generally not fun to be around those kind of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a you know, we live in the society
Speaker 1: we live in. You should you should put a lot
Speaker 1: of focus into being someone who doesn't doesn't give off
Speaker 1: I might murder you vibes. It's important. Yeah, a good
Speaker 1: rule of thumb. Don't seem like you might murder people.
Speaker 1: They don't like that. But Andrew again, Andrew's whole ego
Speaker 1: is like wrapped up in seeming like a person who
Speaker 1: might murder you. Bad way to make friends in my opinion, Andrew, So,
Speaker 1: I think a thing I didn't get across well in
Speaker 1: my earlier episodes was this kind of added context, which
Speaker 1: I think what it makes under deniable. Is this vast
Speaker 1: emptiness at the center of Andrew, right, Like that's what
Speaker 1: these two girls claim, is that, like, you know, they
Speaker 1: think it might be fun to hang out with him
Speaker 1: at first, but there's just nothing there. All he's got
Speaker 1: to talk about. All he's got within him is these
Speaker 1: kind of visual signifiers, these belts in this car of success.
Speaker 1: But there's like nothing he's not about in eustance. There's
Speaker 1: no substance. Now we get some different stories from girls
Speaker 1: who knew him when he was younger about like how
Speaker 1: he got rich. His earlier girlfriend, a woman named Sveete,
Speaker 1: who a couple of news agencies have talked to, says
Speaker 1: that he got rich not from manipulating girls into camming,
Speaker 1: but via kickboxing and crypto. That may have been a
Speaker 1: lie that he told her to disguise that he had
Speaker 1: earned his money via camming. It's a little unclear to me,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna quote again here with her. She says
Speaker 1: he adopted the persona of a family man. He would
Speaker 1: just say he was looking for a sincere girl with
Speaker 1: a pure soul to start a family and have three
Speaker 1: to five children with, she says. Indeed, Set says Andrew
Speaker 1: was particularly obsessed with getting her pregnant and insisted on
Speaker 1: having sex with that protection. He talked many times about
Speaker 1: giving her pregnant and having her raise his children, she says.
Speaker 1: A spokesman for Tate says Andrew vehemently denies any allegations
Speaker 1: that suggests he urged previous girlfriends to have unprotected sex.
Speaker 1: So that's you know. I feel like we have to
Speaker 1: put that in there for legal cases, but it is
Speaker 1: like interesting to me. All of this context I think
Speaker 1: fills him out and makes him a sadder example of
Speaker 1: a person. It seems like his decision to become an
Speaker 1: influencer and effectively create a cult around the image of
Speaker 1: himself as a business guru and philosopher came after he
Speaker 1: was kicked off of Big Brother as a result of
Speaker 1: the rape allegations against him. We can pretty definitely say
Speaker 1: that he exaggerated his claims of wealth at varying points.
Speaker 1: In various videos, Tate claimed to be worth seven hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars and sometimes to be the world's first trillionaire.
Speaker 1: Romanian police were able to confiscate it about four million
Speaker 1: dollars worth of assets. Now, I don't doubt that he
Speaker 1: had more than that obviously it's not hard to hide stuff,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it was anywhere close to seven
Speaker 1: hundred million, let alone to trillion dollars now. His former
Speaker 1: girlfriend also notes that he regularly claimed to be on
Speaker 1: a tight budget, perhaps due to all the money he
Speaker 1: had to spend on the fancy cars and the rolexes
Speaker 1: and other signifiers of wealth. Whatever the truth, the source
Speaker 1: of most of his money grew to be subscriptions to
Speaker 1: his various online schools and the war Room, a series
Speaker 1: of private discord rooms for people who described as his
Speaker 1: insiders aka anyone with five thousand dollars they who were
Speaker 1: related to give to Andrew Tait. In videos I watched,
Speaker 1: he tries to portray the war Room as like his
Speaker 1: the new Illuminati. You know, these are the most influential
Speaker 1: men you've never heard of. They're gonna get They could
Speaker 1: get me out of any bad situation I got into.
Speaker 1: If I get into a problem in any country, they
Speaker 1: can pull me out of it right away. You know,
Speaker 1: I have connections everywhere. They'll take vengeance on my enemies
Speaker 1: for me. Leaked chat logs from the war Room reveal
Speaker 1: more pedestrian realities. There's a video of a guy who
Speaker 1: enrolled in the War Room and presumably spend all that
Speaker 1: money and did a vlog review of his time there.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And he describes what the organization teaches as telling members
Speaker 1: how to become a quote pimping guy who looks down
Speaker 1: on women, uses them and abuses them and manipulates them
Speaker 1: to get what he wants.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He provides a screen grab of a member of the
Speaker 1: War Room telling other people how to coerce their partners
Speaker 1: on camera to like have sex on camera. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's that sort of stuff. Like it's not you know,
Speaker 1: these James Bond types all talking about how to manipulate
Speaker 1: the stock market. It's guys being like, here's how to
Speaker 1: sexually assault a woman in profit from right, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: how to be a predator and yeah, like also, also,
Speaker 1: guess who Guess who was a member of the war
Speaker 1: I guess still is a member of the.
Speaker 3: War Lets tell us I'm excited. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Jacob Wool incredible. Yeah, the Internet's favorite idiot boy whose
Speaker 1: only backstory? Again, Andrew's talking like these he talks about
Speaker 1: these p people like their fucking captains of industry and
Speaker 1: like former spices. Jacob Woll's entire career is repeatedly failing
Speaker 1: at obvious political scams and then getting sued, like nearly
Speaker 1: into destitution for attempting and failing to manipulate an election
Speaker 1: with a series of robo.
Speaker 3: Calls like great, great catch, getting kid Grifter, like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting the guy who, in like five different videos
Speaker 1: posed with the same cigar. People proved it was the
Speaker 1: same cigar by looking at markings on the wrapping, because
Speaker 1: he doesn't actually smoke them. He just wanted to be
Speaker 1: seen holding against like and he didn't have the money
Speaker 1: to buy more than one. It's all about appearances with
Speaker 1: these It's all about appearances. And that's the thing with
Speaker 1: all these fucking guys. For whatever reason, cigars are a
Speaker 1: big part of it. I'll say this for Andrew, like
Speaker 1: I am a guy who smokes cigars. Andrew actually does
Speaker 1: appear to smoke his cigars like he does it enough,
Speaker 1: like he does it like a guy who like it.
Speaker 1: Stephen Crowder does the same thing, and so does Ben Shapiro,
Speaker 1: and I think they both hate cigars like they do
Speaker 1: not They are like they're doing it like it's miserable
Speaker 1: to them, like they're kissing a sake, I will say
Speaker 1: I think Andrew actually does enjoy that, so I'll say
Speaker 1: that for him. But you know that's not praise or anything.
Speaker 1: It just means some other guys are even sadder. Another
Speaker 1: guiding ethos of the war Room is achieving autonomy from
Speaker 1: the matrix by obtaining multiple passports and citizenships. Screen grabs
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen war room chat logs obtained by Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone appear to show the war Room instructing men how
Speaker 1: to do so. In one screen grab, a user identified
Speaker 1: as Tate outlines a project to help people obtain multiple passports.
Speaker 1: Pay a price, send old ID passport in the mail.
Speaker 1: We'll let you guys know as soon as we're live.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's like pictures. Tate has posted pictures of
Speaker 1: like his fake IDs, or what appeared to be his
Speaker 1: fake IDs, and he's bragged about collecting passports to flee
Speaker 1: from the law in different countries, which is part of
Speaker 1: why after his arrest, his one month stay in jail
Speaker 1: was extended three times. If you brag repeatedly about your
Speaker 1: access to private jets and multiple passports, that provides the
Speaker 1: government with a really easy case to describe you as
Speaker 1: a flight risk.
Speaker 4: I've seen enough episodes of law in order to know
Speaker 4: you shouldn't flaunt that kind of stuff when you're gonna
Speaker 4: go to jail.
Speaker 1: No again, an actual a dude who is the real
Speaker 1: version of what Andrew pretends to be and thus has
Speaker 1: a bunch of fake IDs and shit because he's doing crimes,
Speaker 1: never would talk about it. I never mend not a
Speaker 1: fucking word. No, like watch heat. That's how you handle
Speaker 1: this sort of shit. You don't brag about it on
Speaker 1: fucking TikTok so Andrew, you know, once he gets locked up,
Speaker 1: this is at the end of last year, kind of
Speaker 1: goes very quickly from this sort of James Bond Man
Speaker 1: of the World, uh International, Man of Mystery type of
Speaker 1: branding to unhinged tweets that he's like sending out via
Speaker 1: an intermediary. Like he goes like immediately from like I
Speaker 1: am the business you know, guru, influencer ladies man to
Speaker 1: like I am fighting ghosts in my jail cell. My
Speaker 1: favorite example is this from February twenty fifth. I was
Speaker 1: awoken last night by an icy chill and identified a
Speaker 1: ghost in my prison cell. He was terrified and begged
Speaker 1: me not to annihilate him. I sent him back to
Speaker 1: hell with a message for the demons. I am always ready.
Speaker 4: That's just like how broken his brain is. Like even
Speaker 4: in these like fake scenarios, he just has to be
Speaker 4: like the ultimate like badass, like unfazed, like he's I
Speaker 4: can beat up ghosts.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, I can fight ghosts. It is funny that
Speaker 1: he's gone right back to bragging about like, no, my
Speaker 1: dad locked me in the fucking closet.
Speaker 2: I fought the ghosts off on my own Andrew. Okay, buddy,
Speaker 2: that was actually that was actually Tristan just beating up
Speaker 2: his brother in jail, wailing on him.
Speaker 1: I love it. You know who would beat up their
Speaker 1: brother in the dark.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Every sponsor we have for this podcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: H ah.
Speaker 1: We're back and we're talking about Andrew Tait in jail.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of funny moments from his uh,
Speaker 1: his jail, his his his his letter from a from
Speaker 1: a Romanian jail. At one point, his representative claimed that
Speaker 1: he had been diagnosed with cancer and he needed to
Speaker 1: go to Dubai for surgery. This was like publicly they
Speaker 1: were saying this all of their fans to try to
Speaker 1: generate outrage, like he's gonna die in jail. They're killing him.
Speaker 1: This is a murder attempt now, the Romain government. He's
Speaker 1: in jail. They're not even I say I wrote tapped
Speaker 1: his phone calls. He's in jail, They know what he's
Speaker 1: saying on the phone, right, just the way that any
Speaker 1: jail system does, right, Like if you're talking, like that's
Speaker 1: the way it goes. Yeah. Uh so they and anyway
Speaker 1: the calls that they listen to in them, he is
Speaker 1: discussing like Dubai as a potential route for him to
Speaker 1: escape from This is like claims made by people in
Speaker 1: the Romanian law enforcement. Uh and since the UAE doesn't
Speaker 1: like extradite to Romania, this makes sense but also kind
Speaker 1: of backs up the government's claim that he can't be
Speaker 1: released once this stuff leaks. Tate like that once the
Speaker 1: like claims come out that like he might be sick,
Speaker 1: there's a shadow on his lung. Tate was unable to
Speaker 1: handle the idea of people thinking he was sick, even
Speaker 1: though this was an important part of his escape strategy,
Speaker 1: because again, sickness implies unacceptable vulnerabilities. So he posts, they
Speaker 1: can't have that, Oh my god, no, no, he posts this.
Speaker 1: I do not have cancer. My lungs contain precisely zero
Speaker 1: smoking damage. In fact, I have an eight liter lung
Speaker 1: capacity and the vital signs of an Olympic athlete. There
Speaker 1: is nothing but a scar on my lung from an
Speaker 1: old battle. True warriors are scarred both inside and out.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. By the way, Yeah, I can't get cancer.
Speaker 1: It's scared of me. Oh, I'm going to I'm going
Speaker 1: to continue what he puts in this thread. As one
Speaker 1: of the most influential men on the planet, and is
Speaker 1: important for the good of humanity that I live as
Speaker 1: long as possible. At my current strength levels, I estimate
Speaker 1: to survive for at least five thousand more years. With
Speaker 1: this in mind, I take my medical care extremely carefully.
Speaker 1: I had a regular checkup organized in Dubai predetention. The
Speaker 1: doctors were extremely interested in the scar on my lung.
Speaker 1: They do not understand how I survive without treatment. They
Speaker 1: do not know the secrets of Wudan. But this battle
Speaker 1: has long passed. He attached this photo and the thread.
Speaker 2: Sophie, I'm so sorry that I have to show you
Speaker 2: this oh buddy.
Speaker 1: It's it's just him doing a high kick and posing
Speaker 1: in front of a mirror in his gym and his underwear.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's gonna flex the cancer away.
Speaker 2: And this guy is worried about women laughing at him,
Speaker 2: stopping hysterical.
Speaker 1: He's gonna live to be five, Sophie. He's going to
Speaker 1: be the emperor of mankind.
Speaker 3: That's so cool. Women five thousand years from now will
Speaker 3: still be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, yeah, they they will have evolved
Speaker 1: beyond gender, and they'll still be laughing at him. They
Speaker 1: will be living as like mental energy, flying through the
Speaker 1: ether and laughing at him.
Speaker 4: For someone with such a fragile ego and who's clearly
Speaker 4: like really obsessed with like looking powerful and strong, it's
Speaker 4: just giving us so much fodder to make.
Speaker 1: Fun of him with. That's like, Mike, it's so funny.
Speaker 1: He's doing it to himself.
Speaker 3: Funny.
Speaker 1: Hmm. It's true, and that's what really hurts.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Reporting based on sources within the Romanian judicial system suggests
Speaker 1: that Andrew directed a support campaign and may have intimidated
Speaker 1: witnesses from inside jail. From an article by BuzzFeed News,
Speaker 1: rip Romanian authorities also said that the Tates have encouraged
Speaker 1: their army of followers to message at least one alleged
Speaker 1: victim demanding she retracted her accusations. These comments are of
Speaker 1: a nature to provoke in the victim a state of
Speaker 1: fear as a result of the threatening tone they have
Speaker 1: in addressing her, attempting to determine her to change her
Speaker 1: statements regarding the accused in the case. The judge noted
Speaker 1: in the February summary. On top of this, in December,
Speaker 1: a US law firm representing the brother sent to cease
Speaker 1: and assist to a woman in Florida. This is the
Speaker 1: woman who he had been holding against her will, whose
Speaker 1: mother contacted the FBI, who contacted US authorities to free her,
Speaker 1: which is what started this whole series of investigations kind
Speaker 1: of mid last year against any Tate that led to
Speaker 1: his arrest. So he Romanian authorities are at least looking
Speaker 1: at this as intimidation. Andrew's lawyer, Tina Glandion number one,
Speaker 1: has said that her firm had no part in sending
Speaker 1: this cease and desist, but obviously a lot of Andrew's
Speaker 1: a lot of the harassment being directed against people who
Speaker 1: have made accusations against Andrew has occurred in a somewhat
Speaker 1: decentralized manner. Andrew was stoking it, and he's certainly talking.
Speaker 1: You know. The Romanian authorities say he is directing his
Speaker 1: representatives to kind of incite harassment campaigns by his fans.
Speaker 1: But it's not as simple as just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody paid someone to go do this. You know, he
Speaker 1: has people who are willing, who, once riled up, will
Speaker 1: go and take action. There's evidence that at least one
Speaker 1: fan attempted to track this woman down in her home
Speaker 1: in Florida. Thankfully he did not succeed, but there is
Speaker 1: ample evidence that other fans have executed far reaching harassment
Speaker 1: campaigns on women who have spoken out against him. We
Speaker 1: talked about Daria Gusa on our last episodes. Who She
Speaker 1: was the young Romanian woman who, when she was a
Speaker 1: child was contacted by Tate in an attempt at grooming her.
Speaker 1: She says after talking to the BBC for the article
Speaker 1: we cited, she received numerous threats in including a guy
Speaker 1: who found her phone number, texted her and said that
Speaker 1: he knew where she went to college and had her
Speaker 1: class schedule.
Speaker 3: Jeez.
Speaker 1: Daria claims that because of this harassment. Several of her friends,
Speaker 1: who also had contact with Tate refused to talk about it. Quote,
Speaker 1: it's not just the people who work for him, it's
Speaker 1: that there are basically millions of men out there who
Speaker 1: really idolize these people and would do anything to protect
Speaker 1: them in their image. So I think it's completely justifiable
Speaker 1: that so many girls don't want to speak out. BuzzFeed's
Speaker 1: reporting also sheds more light on one of the women
Speaker 1: arrested with the Tates, a former Romanian cop named Radhu,
Speaker 1: who is suspected of using her position to gain a
Speaker 1: legal access to a classified police database over most of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. A judge noted that quote, it would
Speaker 1: be impossible for the accused to access the database without
Speaker 1: support from others, which might be seen to suggest that
Speaker 1: some Romania authorities believe a broader conspiracy exists with among
Speaker 1: members of their law enforcement agencies. That said, this all
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that there's some like hidden Tate Cadra
Speaker 1: inside of Romanian policing. This could and probably is. I'm
Speaker 1: going to say this is the most unlikely explanation. Radhu
Speaker 1: is really devoted to this guy, partly maybe because she's
Speaker 1: in love partly because there's financial benefit here and she's
Speaker 1: bribing her colleagues for specific favors. Right, this is a
Speaker 1: known problem that Romania has bribery among public officials. There
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like some secret like Cadra of
Speaker 1: Tate supporters within Romanian policing for this to have happened.
Speaker 1: Rod Who just needs to have thrown some money around
Speaker 1: at any rate. Buzzfeeds reporting suggests that rod Who may
Speaker 1: have helped quash earlier allegations in Romania against Andrew. In addition,
Speaker 1: prosecutors said they had obtained new information from the police
Speaker 1: unit local to the Tate compound suggesting that women had
Speaker 1: filed multiple complaints of violence, coercion and abuse against the
Speaker 1: brothers that predated the current case. These complaints have gone unresolved,
Speaker 1: giving rise to bision of undue influence from Radu. So
Speaker 1: basically the thing he only got in trouble this time,
Speaker 1: Like this whole chain of events started because he was
Speaker 1: allegedly keeping that woman from Florida held against her will,
Speaker 1: and her family contacted US authorities and that got the
Speaker 1: ball rolling on all of this. But there were claims
Speaker 1: from an in Romania and attempts to report to the
Speaker 1: police earlier that this Romanian cop quashed. Because she's on
Speaker 1: Andrew Tate's team, she's profiting from this with him. There
Speaker 1: are also allegations that prosecutors make that Tate ordered his
Speaker 1: team to reach out to two right wing Romanian politicians.
Speaker 1: Both of these guys are like big gender politics, culture
Speaker 1: war dudes and COVID deniers. One of them is on
Speaker 1: Ukraine's sanctions list for spreading Russian propaganda. And basically, I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the quote from Tate to talking to his assistant
Speaker 1: to telling her what to say to the two politicians.
Speaker 1: If you take the side of the guys when they
Speaker 1: get out of prison, they will make sure you were
Speaker 1: rewarded for telling the truth. That's what he told his
Speaker 1: assistant to say to these these politicians. Now, to be
Speaker 1: fair about that, like both of these right wing politicians
Speaker 1: seem to have seen where the wind was blowing because
Speaker 1: they didn't. They did not agree to work with him,
Speaker 1: and in fact, when asked by local media if they
Speaker 1: were willing to defendate, they said no. So it kind
Speaker 1: of seems like this was a Again, part of Tate
Speaker 1: had this kind of belief that you know, I went
Speaker 1: between my money and my connections, I can make anything happen.
Speaker 1: But he flew too close to the sun, like there's
Speaker 1: this this, this whole thing blew up too big. So
Speaker 1: when he reaches out to these guys who normally would
Speaker 1: have loved to be associated with him, they're like, no, bro,
Speaker 1: you fucked up. Like number one, cops are listening to
Speaker 1: everything you say, like we don't want to We're not
Speaker 1: let's start there. Number two, you are in a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble and we don't want to be associated with you.
Speaker 1: That's not smart. When you put all this stuff together,
Speaker 1: it might be seen as somewhat surprising that the brothers
Speaker 1: were finally released from jail and house arrest. Reporting does
Speaker 1: suggest they're under heavy watch there, so they're unable to
Speaker 1: leave the country with ease, but still why were they
Speaker 1: released from jail? In an official summary of a late
Speaker 1: February court review, the judge, who had been on their
Speaker 1: case from the beginning, claimed that there were new reasons
Speaker 1: to keep the brothers incarcerated based on the government surveillance
Speaker 1: of their calls, and I found this in an article
Speaker 1: in the Guardian. The accused present a clear danger for
Speaker 1: public order. They made preparations to evade criminal investigation by
Speaker 1: leaving Romania and are trying to influence witnesses and are
Speaker 1: exerting pressure on the victims. But a month or so later,
Speaker 1: two different appeals court judges, both of whom were new
Speaker 1: to the case, approved the move to house arrest. There
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be a good explanation as to why
Speaker 1: this happened. Buzzfeeds reporting claims that there's a lot was
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety at the move in official circles.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to say what's happening here, what
Speaker 1: is going to occur. There are reports from like the
Speaker 1: judges who are still on the case that the information
Speaker 1: that's come out and that the attempts to influence witnesses
Speaker 1: by Tate have prejudiced judges against their case. Quote. One
Speaker 1: experienced Romanian justice system insider who requested anonymity, told BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: News that Andrew's various missteps while in attention dimmed from
Speaker 1: the influencer's need for public attention and his compulsion to
Speaker 1: arouse controversy. I think Andrew Tate is not the most
Speaker 1: intelligent guy, the insider said, but he probably can't help
Speaker 1: himself and it's again kind of unclear to me, you know.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were like, this is
Speaker 1: a bad sign that they've released him into house arrest.
Speaker 1: It was kind of unprecedented for them to hold him
Speaker 1: before indicting him for three months, so it's not entirely
Speaker 1: weird that this has happened. He is still like basically
Speaker 1: waiting for the indictment, which should come before June, kind
Speaker 1: of based on the letter of Romanian law, they have
Speaker 1: to make a move kind of before June, so we
Speaker 1: will see what happens with that. I do want to
Speaker 1: talk a bit about the person that Andrew was hired
Speaker 1: to run his legal case, who is an American lawyer
Speaker 1: named Tina Glandian. Tina has made a career of working
Speaker 1: for high profile.
Speaker 3: He hired a woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she is a surprising well in part in
Speaker 1: some ways a surprising.
Speaker 3: But not surprising in terms of the p R.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and she's also she she is the disgraced celebrity lawyer.
Speaker 1: Her past clients included Her past clients included Jesse Smollett,
Speaker 1: so that wasn't a win that she Also she was
Speaker 1: not the primary lawyer for but her boss was, and
Speaker 1: she helped with Chris Brown. She was like representing them,
Speaker 1: and she also represented Kesha in one of Kesha's lawsuits
Speaker 1: against her former producer, which went a lot better. So
Speaker 1: obviously this woman, you know, you win some, you lose some.
Speaker 1: I found a very puffy pr piece first of all.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that case she was in the right.
Speaker 1: I found a very puffy pr piece about her on
Speaker 1: a website called Dan's Papers that included this quote. Glandian's
Speaker 1: legal counsel has proven invaluable to countless celebrities, professional athletes,
Speaker 1: and entertainers. Her list read like boldface names splattered on
Speaker 1: page six, representing a listers such as Kesha, Mike Tyson,
Speaker 1: and Chris Brown. Glandian was also the lead attorney in
Speaker 1: the Michael Jackson v. Extra Jet case after Jackson's charter
Speaker 1: jet was illegally wiretapped. I am inspired by a desire
Speaker 1: to help people, particularly the underdogs, Glandian says. The feeling
Speaker 1: that someone is relying on me to tell their story
Speaker 1: or to right or wrong is a great motivator. I
Speaker 1: strive to give my clients a voice and to be
Speaker 1: their most zealous advocate. So you know, she sounds nice.
Speaker 1: She also claims to be a dedicated woman's rights activist.
Speaker 1: In times when Glandein is not conducting business or trying cases,
Speaker 1: she is an outspoken advocate and a champion for women's
Speaker 1: rights both nationally and internationally. She's a un representative for
Speaker 1: the Armenian International Women's Association and part of the Commission
Speaker 1: on the Status of Women.
Speaker 2: So that's when I heard women's rights activist. I think
Speaker 2: lawyer who helped Chris Brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you know, take that paycheck right, you can
Speaker 1: represent women like girl, don't. No, you gotta get paid first,
Speaker 1: Sophie got to get paid first, and then you can
Speaker 1: represent Kesha briefly but successfully. So since being released from jail,
Speaker 1: Andrew has continued to post the funniest post I found
Speaker 1: from him. Since his release, he's uploaded a like a
Speaker 1: picture to Twitter of a bunch of little electric scooters,
Speaker 1: like ten of them in the walden yard of his
Speaker 1: compound because he's on house arrest, with the text, they
Speaker 1: raided my house and took all my cars, so I
Speaker 1: bought ten new bugattis So that's sad. He still maintains
Speaker 1: his absolute innocence and says there's a zero percent chance
Speaker 1: of him being found guilty. One video showed him walking
Speaker 1: around a room in his house smoking a cigar while
Speaker 1: he says, since last year, I've been in twenty four
Speaker 1: hour lockdown, no yard time, pacing a three meter cell
Speaker 1: with zero electronics, are outside contact, absolute clarity of mind,
Speaker 1: real thoughts, real plans, vivid pain, one hour home and
Speaker 1: I can't stand my phone. Some habits die hard, We
Speaker 1: must defeat Satan.
Speaker 4: Like what is he even talking about?
Speaker 2: Some habits die hard, We must defeat Satan. I mean
Speaker 2: it sounds like a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he says, because he's like doing a doing
Speaker 1: a doing a Muslim thing, which I still don't know
Speaker 1: how serious he is about this, but like I am
Speaker 1: still kind of I'll be honest with you. It is
Speaker 1: unclear to me if he's trying to play this right,
Speaker 1: like if he's if this is like if he thinks
Speaker 1: that this is a smart play, or if he's actually
Speaker 1: coming on glued. And I guess we won't know that
Speaker 1: for a while. I mean, I don't see this all
Speaker 1: seems weirder than some of it. He's always had bits
Speaker 1: of this, just like martial arts. Mysticism has always been
Speaker 1: a piece of him and a piece of his like
Speaker 1: his like public profile. It's so much more now than
Speaker 1: it was before.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think there's only one logical
Speaker 2: conclusion here is that the ghost won the.
Speaker 1: Ghost one that he's being piloted by the ghost. It's
Speaker 1: driving his meat. Yeah, I think that's the truth. That's
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 3: Well keep us posted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well that's that's the Andrew uptate. I
Speaker 1: hope you all have had a good time.
Speaker 4: It wasn't as bad, I guess, no.
Speaker 1: No, it's mostly funny. We'll be back Thursday because I
Speaker 1: found some books Andrew wrote and we'll be talking with
Speaker 1: Sharen Lana Yunis about those. But until then, you can
Speaker 1: find us in various places on the internet. I have
Speaker 1: a book called After the Revolution. You can just type
Speaker 1: it into wherever you find books. Ian you had anything
Speaker 1: to plug.
Speaker 4: Uh no, I mean, you know, just cool zone media,
Speaker 4: keep keep it moving. I'm on Twitter and Instagram, young Hershey,
Speaker 4: y u n G. I don't really tweet or post
Speaker 4: that much anymore these days, but I'm thinking about trying
Speaker 4: to get back into it. Maybe the fans will give
Speaker 4: me some inspiration.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, posting is always a good idea.
Speaker 3: Coward.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, yeah, maybe you guys will get me back,
Speaker 4: like terminally online, So let's do it.
Speaker 3: Oh, actually, don't follow you in. That sounds bad.
Speaker 1: That's the life we want for you. I think I
Speaker 1: would get I think you can sue me if I
Speaker 1: tried to urge you to become online again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's like a hostile work environment.
Speaker 3: That doesn't sound safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's the episode.
Speaker 4: Go to hell.
Speaker 3: Bye, I love you Bye. Behind the Bastards is a
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