1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: What apparently shockingly well hung my young male lead from 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: the movie Spi Kids. But now now he's in his 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: like thirties, so it's fine that a good intro. Sophie, 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: is that a good intro? We spent ten minutes before 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: the episode talking to me about the fact that the 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: Spy Kids kid grewed up to marry Meghan Trainer and 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: have a huge wang. Now everybody's going to know that. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: I was discussing how for some reason, and Ian, who 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: is also here, Hi, Ian Johnson, that we get on. 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 3: Twitter, we get this like at pop Crave. Yeah, that 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: neither of us follow. 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: And everything I know about K pop comes from Twitter. 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Believing that I am incredibly interested in K pop. No, 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: I'm just saying incredibly Twitter picks things for you to 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: be interested in. 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, just the way it was, Well, can I can? 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: I can? 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: I Just I feel like I owe it to the 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 3: listeners to read, to read this. 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: To talk about to talk about this former child, Sophie. 21 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: Former child so first off, problematic, okay. 22 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: So spy kid so so so I'm not even okay. 23 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: Megan Trainer causes chatter online after discussing her painful sex 24 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: with big Boy husband Darryl. 25 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I was joking about it being I. 26 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: Can't walk after I'm going to read the whole fucking thing, 27 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 2: thank you very much. She can't walk after sex. It's 28 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: to the point where I'm like, is it all in? 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: And he's like just the tip and I'm like I 30 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: can't do anymore and I don't know how to fix that. 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 4: Why they think that's what you want to see, Sophie, that's. 32 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: Because feel bullied like this is this. 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: Is This is the first time that I have not 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: been cripplingly depressed in weeks. So thank you. Yeah, no, 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: this this really I was right on the edge there, Sophie. 36 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I was right on the edge. But learning about learning 37 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: about this this former child, massive, massive meat wagon has 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: really has pulled me through. It's my it's my prozac. Well, 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: I felt like these people I was formerly unaware of 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: and their sex to there. 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: They're also the couple that has two toilets in their 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: bathrooms so they can shit next to each other. Which 43 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: you know, all of this is fine, Well no it's not, 44 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: but all of us is fine, But like, why do 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: I have to know about it? 46 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: Why does Ian have to know about it? And why 47 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: do all of our listeners have to know about it. 48 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you all of our listeners have to 49 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: know about it because you would not stop telling me 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: about it. 51 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I thought they deserved a little 52 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: bit of a ha ha before we got into this episode. 53 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: What are we talking about Robert Evans. 54 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: Well, you know, earlier this year, right at the start 55 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: of this year, we did a four parter on mister 56 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Andrew Tait because I thought people needed to know more 57 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: about him. There wasn't at that point really any kind 58 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: of comprehensive profile on him. Let's look at his life, 59 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of covering the whole sweep of everything 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: he'd done and how he got to be so influential, 61 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: you know, And at the I decided that enough has 62 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: happened in the months since then that it was time 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: for an Andrew up. 64 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: Taate Wow, Chris, please please please insert some snaps snaps 65 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 2: snaps for Robert. Please insert some snapping noise and some 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: like little like a little applause but not too loud 67 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 2: of applause, just like a little applya. 68 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: No no find me like a standing ovation clip from 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: the VMA's or something. Throw that in there, like three 70 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: solid minutes. 71 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: You know what, let's bring it back, find applause for 72 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: Meghan Trainer performing. 73 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: There there you go, make it all connect. So, at 74 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: the time we covered mon Senior Tate, he was still 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: locked up in a Romanian jail. There was not a 76 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: whole lot of good info about his early life and 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: rise to prominence. So I had to do a lot 78 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: of digging to fill in hole since there just wasn't 79 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: as much out there as there is now, and what 80 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: there was out there was not conveniently located in articles. 81 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: It was scattered throughout literally hundreds of different video clips 82 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: on multiple different websites. Now, in the months since Andrew 83 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: has Number one been released to house arrest, he's gone 84 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: through Obviously, during the time he was in jail, he 85 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: had a bit of a jail house odyssey of his own, 86 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about. And he's also attracted a huge 87 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: amount of reporting resources from outlets like Rolling Stone and 88 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: the recently deceased BuzzFeed News. This has provided us with 89 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot more context about his early life, about kind 90 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,799 Speaker 1: of his rise to prominence, about you know, a couple 91 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: of small mysteries that we had during the initial episodes. 92 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: We did in addition to that, some of our own 93 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: fans or one of our own fans has done some 94 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: digging on the subreddit and they found some clips from 95 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: some of Tate's videos that provided some additional context on 96 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: his backstory. So today I'm going to give you guys 97 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: an update on what's gone down since we last talk, 98 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: as well as an expansion of the stuff we covered 99 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: last time based on some new information. Most of the 100 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: new info we've received focuses on his father, Imrie Tait, 101 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: and what happened between him and his family during the 102 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: part of Andrew's childhood that was previously a little bit 103 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: of a black box. Oh yeah, By the way, Ian 104 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: and Sophie are the guests for this episode. Hello, Ian 105 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: and Sophie. We did I realized I had an interview, 106 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, no, wow, wow, back. I think brave, brave 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: of me to introduce you twice. That shows how much 108 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: gratitude I have. 109 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: You were just so enamored by that, by that big 110 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: dick story that you couldn't you couldn't remember what had happened. 111 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: You were digmatized. 112 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: Oh yes, his eyes got glossy and everything. Yeah. 113 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: So a lot of what I have learned here comes 114 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: courtesy of a user on our subreddit chicken Stuff eighteen, 115 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: who come through a bunch of again. Andrew's backstory is 116 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: kind of scattered throughout hundreds of videos, many of which 117 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: are lies. So some of the information in the videos 118 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: this guy came up with was I found really compelling 119 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: because we had kind of I talked a lot about 120 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: Emory Tait, his father, the chess legend. We mentioned kind 121 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: of one unsettling story Andrew told about him, like being 122 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: shoved by him, a weird story about kind of him 123 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: pulling his son out of a tournament for crying. But 124 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: we didn't know a whole lot about the guy in 125 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: some of these videos that were brought to my attention, 126 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: tape admits that his father was a diagnosed narcissist, which 127 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense are Andrew's behavior yea, yeah, yeah, 128 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: and he he ties Andrew in while he never like 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: like stops idolizing his father. He ties his father's likely 130 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: narcissism to his eventual separation from the military and the 131 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: fact that the family was destitute when Andrew was a kid. 132 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: In Andrew's recollection of events, which probably doesn't entirely correspond 133 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: with reality, but probably does correspond with what he was 134 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: told as a kid by his dad, Emory. You know, 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: because Emory is working for the Air Force and he 136 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: has an argument with a superior officer over how to 137 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: like translate some sort of document that they've they've taken in, 138 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: and Emory is unable to like either admit that he's 139 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: wrong or like give up the argument, right, You know 140 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: that kind of way that that narcissists do, where you 141 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: know a thing that a normal person, even if the 142 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: normal person is like, well, you know, I don't agree 143 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: with this, and at a certain point you just kind 144 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: of like let it go. Usually, Emory keeps on this 145 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: to the point that it makes it impossible for anyone 146 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: to work with him. He is initially like forced off 147 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: of his actual duties and like made to like work 148 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: as a janitor. They're basically like you because of how 149 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: you can't let this go, you are no longer capable 150 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: of doing your regular jobs, so like sweep the fucking floor. 151 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: But he continues to be such a problem that the 152 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: Air Force offers him a separation from the military. Now 153 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: he has been doing this long enough that he qualifies 154 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: for a pension, and his superiors are like, look, this 155 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: is a messy situation. We will basically put you on 156 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: disability and thus allow you to like get a pension, 157 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: but you have to admit to the diagnosis that our 158 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: internal doctors have given you of narcissistic personality disorder. The 159 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: phrase that Andrew uses for this, that his dad presumably 160 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: told him, was that the Air Force was asking Emory 161 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: to put a price tag on his sanity and he 162 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: refused to do that and thus did not get a pension, 163 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: and that's why the entire family wound up destitute. And 164 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, there's some evidence that this is more or 165 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: less what happened. Rolling Stone looked into the story. They 166 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: confirmed that Emory was discharged from the Air Force in 167 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: ninety two, and his biographer wrote, quote, superiors believed Tate 168 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: embellished intelligence and cited a personality disorder. Now that's a 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: little bit different from what Andrew's claiming, you know, which 170 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: was that he had an argument with a superior about 171 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: how to translate a document. The way that his biographer 172 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: describes it, it sounds more like Andrew was like exaggerating things, 173 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: maybe for personal benefit. In any case, said biographer also 174 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: notes that Emory became an alcoholic after leaving the Air 175 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: Force was all which interrupted his chess career and had 176 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: him kicked out of at least one tournament. Despite all 177 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: of this, Andrew continues to idolize his father, portraying his 178 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: refusal to acknowledge his diagnosis or accept this pension as 179 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: an act of courage. And I want to play you 180 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: a clip of him talking about this from an interview 181 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: he did with a guy named Patrick bet David, who 182 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: I don't really totally know how to describe Patrick. He's 183 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: like kind of in the weirdo right wing grind and 184 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: SETI communities see in this video. 185 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: He's the dude in the back in the back in 186 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: the blue jacket. 187 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's he's interesting. 188 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 4: I don't know. I assume one of his cronies, ye, Patrick. 189 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: But Patrick did famously an interview with Alex Jones kind 190 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: of early in Alex's legal troubles. That's actually not bad. 191 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: It's one of like the better early like a kind 192 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: of adversarial interviews with with Alex. But anyway, here's Andrew 193 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: talking about his father to Patrick bet David. 194 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 5: Anyway, when they discharged him, he said personality sorer. And 195 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 5: the reason they said he had that is because he 196 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 5: refused to listen to one of his commanders. I don't 197 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 5: know the exact story, so I don't want to say 198 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: it on tape. But he refused to listen to what 199 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 5: his commanders about a recording on a tape, and my 200 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 5: father was arguing with him about the translation of a 201 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 5: certain word. My father believed it was slang for something else. 202 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 5: Superior believed it's something else. They got to a personal beef. 203 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 5: It developed over months and months and months of arguments 204 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 5: about translations, and eventually the end, my dad I ended 205 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 5: up being told to sweep outside for eight hours a day. 206 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 5: And then I got to the point of my father 207 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 5: at the charge, so they discharged him. They diagnos him 208 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 5: with Narcissi's personal disorders. The saity wouldn't listen, and they 209 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 5: offered him this military pension and he refused it. He said, 210 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 5: my sanity is not for sale. And I know that 211 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 5: line because my mother used to scream all the time 212 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 5: when we were broke in the house. You could have 213 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 5: had money, Emory, my sonity's not for sale. 214 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: Now we went broke, right, So I remember the bargamy. 215 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: Hemory, we could have had money, now we're broke. 216 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 5: So because they became a profession chess player. He couldn't 217 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 5: pay the bills, and we were living in Indiana and 218 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 5: South South Chicago. We were in to get with no money, 219 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 5: so I remember him saying that all the time. So 220 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 5: eventually my mother was it was English. 221 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: I had to move back to. 222 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 5: England because England has social housing. 223 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: You get freehouse and you. 224 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: Can get benefits and that kind of thing. We moved 225 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: back and my father stayed there. 226 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 5: So I didn't see my father very much from the 227 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 5: time I moved. But my mother was always in charge 228 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 5: to keep me alive, and he was just in charge 229 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 5: of like giving me the lessons and stuff. So yeah, 230 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 5: it was an interesting life, but he was he was 231 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 5: a super principled man, like he turned down money what 232 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 5: was actually interesting towards the end of his life, about 233 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 5: three or four years before he died. No, no, it 234 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 5: must have been way before that, because I didn't have 235 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 5: money yet. Maybe ten years before he died. He called 236 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 5: me and said, you know, I've been principled for so long, 237 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 5: and the way the world's turning and what American government's doing, 238 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 5: and maybe I should have just signed or do you 239 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 5: think I should have just signed? Didn't say maybe sit, 240 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: do you think I should have just signed? Said no doubt, no, 241 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 5: you get to live with the pure heart. You shouldn't 242 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 5: just sign it. Was your mother saying I should just 243 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 5: sign it. 244 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: Now because I get back sign what exactly sign. 245 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 5: That the narcissistic personality, so sell his sanity and get 246 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 5: back paid. 247 00:11:58,440 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: Audio quality terrible? 248 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: Oh, I just so a lot of people slam it, 249 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 4: a lot, a lot of military. 250 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know people, that's that's that's all really 251 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: interesting to me. I think parts of this are true. 252 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: Back pay with stuff like disability can work kind of 253 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: similarly to how Andrew describes it. I've known people who 254 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: were in the military and on disability and like were 255 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: later found to be at a higher level of disability 256 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: and like got ten years of back pay or something. 257 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: So it's not impossible that it might have worked some 258 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: way similar to this. That said, there's definitely lots of 259 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: lies in here too, or at least things that Andrew's 260 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: not willing to believe about his background. I think it's 261 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: more on the side of lies, because he talks different 262 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: ways about why they moved to England at different points 263 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: in time. In other clips, he acknowledges that they didn't 264 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: move because England had social housing and you know, they 265 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: were just so poor. They moved because his dad cheated 266 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: on his mother and that made her leave the United 267 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: States and want to return to the United Kingdom, although 268 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: the fact that his narcissism was stopping them from being 269 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: able to support themselves probably played a role in why 270 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: she was willing to do that. We've got another clip here. 271 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 5: You know, it's actually funny. I'll tell you a quick 272 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 5: story about when when my mom and dad split up, 273 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 5: we moved to England and my. 274 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 6: Sister stops talking to my dad because my aus my 275 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 6: mom was upset as I split up and my dad 276 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 6: cheated and my. 277 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: Sister stopped talking to them. 278 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 6: When when my sister stopped talking to my dad, me 279 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 6: and my brother obviously still spoke to him and he said, boys, 280 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 6: when you're older. 281 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 4: You'll understand. Now I'm older, I understand. 282 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, the girl so so. 283 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: And this is what I mean by cheating. 284 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 6: This whole idea of cheating to me is it's it's 285 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 6: it's propagated by obviously Western society. It's propagated like the 286 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 6: powerful females, this idea that no man should ever dare 287 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 6: fuck anyone but them, and to me, it's asinine. 288 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: You're asinine. You don't mother buster. 289 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 4: He's just so stupid. 290 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: It was just like, yeah, man, Like if it's not 291 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: uncommon for people to like bounce when they find out 292 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: their partners fucking around on them like that, that's not weird. 293 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: That's not like feminism, especially since it'd be one thing. Again, 294 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: it's not just that your dad was fucking around on 295 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: your mom. It's that your dad led the family into 296 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: gut wrenching poverty and then slept around on your mom 297 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: and was gone all the time, and as we're going 298 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: to cover, was definitely abusive, at least mentally abusive, and 299 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: obviously we talked about him shoving young Andrew around, probably 300 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: physically abusive too. Here's a clip where Andrew talks about 301 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: some of the pretty profound mental abuse that Emory subjected 302 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: as children to. 303 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 5: I remember going home to my dad and saying, hey, Dad, 304 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 5: can have a night light. He saying no, it's like 305 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 5: put I'm scare of the dark. And I remember he 306 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 5: was playing chess. When I sat up scare of the dark. 307 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: You looked at me. 308 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 5: It was nighttime. He took my ass up to my bedroom, 309 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 5: locked me in the bedroom in the dark, said there's 310 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 5: monsters in their son, good luck, see you tomorrow. I 311 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 5: screamed and cried all my I almost screaming, cried for 312 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 5: an hour, hour and a half before I bentually fell asleep. 313 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 5: Guess what, I never asked for our night again. I 314 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 5: never complained again. And guess why stop being scared of 315 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 5: the dark? 316 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: Oh my god, brave? 317 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, fun like they're they're just supposed to be universal, 318 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, yeah, a lot of 319 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: kids are afraid of the dark. A lot of kids 320 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: get over that fear. But he got over it so quickly, 321 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: the most the moon. 322 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 4: The fastest anyone has ever gotten over being afraid of 323 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 4: the dark by himself in an hour. And then he's 324 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: just fine. And now he's Andrew Tait's Andrew. 325 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: It is so funny. It's really funny that like his 326 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: dad locked him in a closet. 327 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 4: No, no, it's it's it's it's but it gave him 328 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: a night light and told him to go to bed 329 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: and shout out. 330 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: It is funny that he talked about it, That's what 331 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: it's funny. 332 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: It's funny that he talked about it as like, isn't 333 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: this awesome. This is like my fucking uh badass martial 334 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: arts origin story, like my dad locking me in a closet. Probably, 335 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: given what else we know about Emory, he was drunk 336 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: and didn't want to deal with his son. It's just 337 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: it's like, it's both fucked up. What's funny is like 338 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: the degree to which Andrew like takes pride in it, 339 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: as like this is what made me the tough, competent 340 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: man I am today is being locked in a closet 341 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: at night when I got scared. So all of this, 342 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: along with Rolling Stones reporting, paints a picture of Andrew 343 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: as a kid who showed, I think always potential signs 344 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: of becoming this kind of man. Although he might not 345 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: have been sort of destined to go down I don't 346 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: think he was destined to go down the path that 347 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: he did. Some of the conversations that Rolling Stone had 348 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: with people who knew the Tates as kids when they 349 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: were in the US described very young Andrew as a 350 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: thoughtful and pretty well behaved kid. One of the anecdotes 351 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: I heard him and stuck out is that during family 352 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: dinners he had a lot of like younger relatives, cousins 353 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: and stuff, and he was always really careful to set 354 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: up the table for them, to make sure that they 355 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: had all of the plates and utensils that they This 356 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: was just like a thing he did without being asked, 357 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: is make sure that his younger relatives were taken care 358 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: of at these family gatherings and stuff that said, there 359 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: was always, you know, again, he's Emory Tait's kid. There 360 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: was always sort of signs of the kind of man 361 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: that he did eventually become. From Rolling Stone quote, those 362 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: who knew Tate as a young man say they saw 363 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: glimpses of misogynistic raggedocio and a need for attention that 364 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: they never imagined it would reach this point. If this 365 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Tait is a caricature, then it's one rooted in truth 366 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: and morphed out of control. The character he's created is 367 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: based on what he thinks masculinity should be. A source 368 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: who knew Tait as a young man says, and this 369 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: is the sad thing about it. He has been playing 370 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: this character for so long that he has actually become 371 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: worse than the character he portrays. And I think kind 372 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: of the basis of his character is the way is 373 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Dad portrayed himself. That's the impression that I get to 374 00:17:53,119 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: quote from a great band, I don't know, like that's 375 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: that's that's all kind of interesting to me, I would 376 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: say so. I think like one of the things that 377 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: you have to get here is there at kind of 378 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: the core of Andrews both that his dad, who is 379 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: this alcoholic narcissist who cannot admit his own failures and 380 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: also cannot take care of his family. Andrew's never able 381 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: to put down the lies that his dad kind of 382 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: tells to justify this, and at the same time, when 383 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: his mom leads, He's never really able to honestly process that. 384 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: And I think this sort of mythic image of his 385 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: dad just becomes his kind of attitude towards what masculinity 386 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: should be forevermore, this affects Tristan as well. His younger 387 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: brother grows up always forgot about I. Almost everyone does 388 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: because he's he's not interesting on his own and other 389 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: people who knew the tapes as like boys in the UK, 390 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: will claim that Tristan was kind of Andrew's lap dog 391 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: his entire life, like even as a little kid. That's 392 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: certainly the way their relationship looks just from the video 393 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: evidence we have today. A source described them as codependent, 394 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: which I don't doubt, and said it's like Tristan is 395 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: held captive by Andrew and believes or follows everything Andrew 396 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: says or does. Quote Another referred to Andrew as a 397 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: father figure of sorts, saying that Tristan had modeled himself 398 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: and Andrew's image due to their real father, Emory, being 399 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: largely absent from their lives. And that's interesting to me. 400 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: You've got sort of like Andrew, who's being this carbon 401 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: copy of how his dad presented himself to children, and 402 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: then Tristan being a carbon copy of that. It's depressing, 403 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: like this is not the way human beings ought to live, 404 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: But you know how human beings ought to live. 405 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: Off of the products and services that support the show. 406 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: That's right, and only this. Look, if there's not ads 407 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: for food on for a couple of weeks, then you die. 408 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: That's just the way, Yeah, it has to be. 409 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, don't make the rules here and have little to 410 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: no control over anything when it comes to ads, So 411 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: you get what you get. 412 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: Motherfucker's sorry, and. 413 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 4: Stop yelling at us about it, like we can do 414 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 4: anything about it. 415 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: Just the ads, we simply cannot. 416 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, we are all b a Q. So additional 417 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: reporting has also given us new details about the tates 418 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: life in the UK. The Tates' lives in the UK's 419 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: Tate has claimed numerous times, what are you doing? What grammar, Sophie, 420 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing a grammar? 421 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: You're doing a grammar? Okay? 422 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 4: Oh I love the show. 423 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing a grammar. I'm doing a grammar. 424 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: All right, Well I'm doing a that's not grammar correct. 425 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: Well then you can take that up on the grammar 426 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: pod launching next month, where I mainly inform people about 427 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: how they can attorney's general other job titles. So let's 428 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: talk about the taits in the UK. Andrew has claimed 429 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: numerous times that he was bullied for being an American 430 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: and mixed race. Some sources agreed that he seemed not 431 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: to fit in and that this may have contributed to 432 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: him feeling the need to prove himself. 433 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 3: That does seem extremely likely. 434 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean just simply simply experiencing racism as 435 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: a not white kid in the UK for sure. Like, 436 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: I have no doubt that that was a part of 437 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: his childhood. 438 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 439 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: Andrew also, though seems to have exaggerated the degree to 440 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: which he and his brother kind of financially struggled in 441 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: their early days. We reported in our early episodes on 442 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: claims that Andrew made at the start of his kickboxing 443 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: career that he and Tristan had to live on like dirt, cheap, horrible, 444 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: unappealing food. This like bland concoction they called flavor as 445 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: a joke, and other videos tat his claim that they 446 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: had to steal uneaten KFC leftovers from buckets on tables 447 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: because they couldn't get enough protein otherwise. One person who 448 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: knew him early in his career said that this was bullshit. 449 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: He never came from poverty. If he's saying he's gone 450 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: around to nicking KFC chicken, that's a complete lie. He 451 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: had a portion of Ferrari, and there are photos of 452 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: the time when Andrew claimed to be living off a 453 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: Pilford chicken that confirms he did have a Porsche. I 454 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 1: actually don't think Andrew is necessarily lying here, so let 455 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: me let me explain this. Andrew has always placed huge 456 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: value on visible shows of wealth, and nothing seems to 457 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: do more for his ego there than displaying expensive vehicles 458 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: that he owns. I can imagine him early in his 459 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: sports career, getting a big prize after winning a competition. 460 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: Some of them were like one hundred thousand dollars and 461 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: that's a lot of money. But given the nature of 462 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: his business, it's also the kind of thing you maybe 463 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: get one of those every year or even every like 464 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: two years, so you know, most people would like you 465 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: you have to be kind of careful with that. I 466 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: don't have trouble seeing him blowing most of a year's 467 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: living cash on a car that he can show off 468 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: with and then scrounging for the basics of survival everywhere else, right. 469 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 4: Like that car to take some photos or something, and 470 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 4: then taking it back or something like that. Yeah, it's 471 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 4: all about appearances like that. That's yeah, that's not too 472 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 4: far fetched. 473 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that what he might not be lying 474 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: about that. One of the most compelling details from that 475 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone article to me is that they bring up 476 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: an early reality TV appearance by Andrew that I had 477 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: not been aware of. In two thousand and nine, we 478 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: talked about his appearance on that like fucking weird dating 479 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: show thing, But in two thousand and nine he was 480 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: on another show called Ultimate Traveler, which is a British 481 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: competition where young people in Indonesia like backpacked on camera 482 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: and they had like different sort of challenges where who 483 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: can get to this place fastest, you know, on foot 484 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: or using public transit or. 485 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 4: Whatever and make amazing race. 486 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like it was a kind of a 487 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: discount amazing race. The prize was like ten grand and 488 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: it seems to have basically been like backpack, very simple 489 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: backpacking challenges and they kind of voted you had like 490 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: the prize went to whoever, like the other contestants voted 491 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: had done best. Anyway, here's Andrew's first introduction there. My 492 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: plan is to lie and cheat my way to his competition. 493 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: Once another left, time it returning. Yeah, so that's that's Andrew. 494 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: You can you can see at that early stage he's 495 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: already kind of settled on a vision for the character 496 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: of himself. He's the bad guy who gets results. He's 497 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: not constrained by the ethics of lesser men. He'll lie 498 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: and he'll cheat, but there's also this kind of like 499 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: necessary humility he has to show because he tries, he's 500 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: trying to break into TV. This is a show where, 501 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: like everyone on it is like an inexperienced traveler, which 502 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: is a little more, a little more vulnerability than he 503 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: would admit to kind of in the present day. Here's 504 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: a clip of him from that show that's a bit longer. 505 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: Twenty one year old Anglo American Andrew Tait is a 506 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: straight talking entrepreneur with his own advertising company in Luton. 507 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 4: I'm very mentally strong. 508 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 7: If I want to achieve something, I will achieve it, 509 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 7: because I've never been in a situation in my life 510 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 7: so far in my twenty one years where I really 511 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 7: wanted something I didn't get it. I'm not sure what 512 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 7: my fellow dramas we like. The worst kind of people 513 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 7: would need to be two faced people, which is undoubtedly 514 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 7: going to happen at some point during this trip. People 515 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 7: who seek attention and anyone who thinks are exceptionally smart 516 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 7: or exceptually physically capable and. 517 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 4: They have nothing to back up. It's gonna quick a 518 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: get my nerves. He just described himself. 519 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is funny that he just described himself. 520 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, that's I. 521 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: Don't really want to like comment on his appearance or anything, 522 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: but he does look like he looks like a slim gym. 523 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: He does look like a Slimjym Sophie because he looks 524 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: like you would snap into him, right, yeah, yes, and 525 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: I do mean that in a sexual way. 526 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: I was I did not, but okay, yeah, yeah, I'm. 527 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: Just saying he had more He had more twink energy 528 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: in this era than he does today. 529 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: It looks like a Slimjym. 530 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a Slimjym. So. One person Rolling Stone 531 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: interview described his overall attitude on the show as desperate, 532 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: specifically desperate to be seen as the baddie. He's not 533 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: as good at portraying himself that way as he will 534 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: eventually become. Quote. This was not the impression that several 535 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: people who worked in the show had of Tate. One 536 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: source close to the production described him as hypersensitive, recalling 537 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: an incident where he, during a bandana making challenge, blew 538 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: up at another contestant who gently mocked him for getting 539 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: paint everywhere. He seemed a little bit insecure. To be 540 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: honest with you, they say he just wanted to fit in. 541 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: Contrary to his extremely libidinous womanizing persona, Tate did not 542 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: seem like a ladies man and was rarely seen in 543 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: the company of women. Another source close to his reality 544 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: TV career says, I don't think he's a guy likes 545 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: being around women. If that makes sense, They say, it 546 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: sure does, and it's it's because, like again, Andrew likes 547 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: to be seen around women. But Andrew also does not 548 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: have like the kind of self confidence or ability to 549 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: uh the or ability to like interact with people on 550 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: anything that like could be approaching a level of equals. 551 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: Like he cannot be around women who are not there 552 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: because they need something from him, right, because they're vulnerable 553 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: to him. 554 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: Well, Robert, he was the first kid to be the 555 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: quickest to be no longer afraid of the dark, So 556 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, ladies, this guy not afraid of the dark. 557 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, yeah, he just like seems like the kind 558 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 4: of guy who like wants to be seen with women 559 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 4: all the time, but he hates women, so of course 560 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 4: he like can't like have a meaningful conversation with any 561 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 4: one or will actually have to interact with them. He 562 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 4: just wants to be seen with beautiful women, but he 563 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 4: hates women, Like. 564 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he definitely like he's also afraid of them though, right, 565 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this a little bit later. It's not 566 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: just that he like hates women, it's that he's scared 567 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: to be around them if he's not in total control 568 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: of them, because women have the ability to embarrass you. 569 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: It's this kind of thing. It's also the ability, you know. 570 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gotten over the fact that 571 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: his mom left his dad, because it kind of if 572 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: he processes that, it kind of completely shatters this image 573 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: of his father because his mom left, not just because 574 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: his dad cheated, because his dad couldn't do the things 575 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to do as the quote unquote ahead 576 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: of the family, right, he's not taking care of shit, 577 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: and so like that that, like it's the same we're 578 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: seeing Stephen Crowder, who's was is now much less of 579 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: it was a very big right wing personality, has just 580 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: there's this ongoing blow up in the Daily Wire kind 581 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: of far right sphere where all of his former friends 582 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: are like rolling on him. But one of the things 583 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: that's come out is that his wife is divorcing him, 584 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: and he went on a long rant about how this 585 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: is only possible because the state of Texas allows one 586 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: party divorces. Right. Basically, if a woman doesn't want to 587 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: be married, she can leave. And he hates a lot 588 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: a lot of men on the right hate this. And 589 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: Andrew hates this because, among other things, it means that 590 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: like they have the freedom to embarrass you, is the 591 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: way he's see And I'm not saying people should be embarrassed. 592 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: The marriages don't work out, that's fine, you know, that's life. 593 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: But that's how he sees it, right, Ah, that's actually 594 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: so funny. It's really fun I mean, yeah, it is funny. 595 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: It is funny because he's a piece of shit. 596 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: It is funny because he's a piece of shit. Also, 597 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: embarrassing men is a great hobby and I encourage. 598 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: It too many. 599 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: It's critical stuff. So yeah, it's kind of worth noting that, 600 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: like his initial life goal, right, he's martial arts. I 601 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: do think he never really saw martial arts as much 602 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: but a stepping stone. Maybe there was a point at 603 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: which he thought he could be like a big celebrity 604 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: through it, but it became pretty clear early on he 605 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: does not have the kind of charisma that was going 606 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: to make that possible. He's also not good enough at 607 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: working with people. I think, like, you know, look at 608 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: a guy, you know, fucking Dave Batista, right, who comes 609 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: out of the m M A world and became a 610 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 1: great actor, famously good at working with people. I think 611 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: that's generally the case with those folks. Andrew's just like 612 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: he's an ass He's a giant asshole. 613 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: And like and like he wasn't good enough to be 614 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 3: you know, like that's just not happening. 615 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get away with being the giant piece 616 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: of shit if you're a fucking back at it, right, Yeah, Yeah, 617 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: but he just isn't. He's not like a Mike Tyson, right. 618 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson can get could get away with some ship 619 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: because he was very good at punching people. Certainly, Andrew 620 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: Taits just kind of made it punching people. So before 621 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: settling on social media and you know, kind of being 622 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: a weird online discord cult leader, his first clear goal 623 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: was to become big on reality TV and then parlay 624 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: that celebrity into a larger career. He decided the best 625 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: way to do this was being seen as aggressive and dangerous, 626 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: which is also funny because like I think about two 627 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: of the three of really the biggest kind of people 628 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: to come out of combat sort of sport type dealies 629 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: and go into acting in the recent past, and like 630 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: obviously two of them are you know, pro wrestling, which 631 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: is very different from MMA. But like, you know, you 632 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: look at Dave Batista, you look at the Rock, you 633 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: look at oh, what's his name, the guy in Peacemate. 634 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, Johnson is like his own kind of thing. 635 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, it is It is interesting to me. His 636 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: attitude is like, well, if I want to break in 637 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: as a big celebrity, people have to see me as 638 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: the dangerous asshole. Well, like all of the big celebrities 639 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: that came in through like fighting kind of media are 640 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: like famous for being really pleasant. That's a huge part 641 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: of their brand is them, is them being seen done 642 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: like the most. 643 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 4: Make a wishes of all time, and like it's just 644 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: like the chill is dude. Of course people love him. 645 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a and it's interesting, like how kind of 646 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: out of the zeitgeist he is. There was a time, 647 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, look you can look at like Steven Sagall, right, 648 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: who also comes out of kind of fighting sports, right, 649 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: and it was famously a giant asshole and a psychopath 650 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: and a rapist a lot like Andrew Tape. But that 651 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: was a really different era. Right by the time Andrew 652 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: was trying to break in to stardom, we in the 653 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: West have decided that when we when we make a 654 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: big fighting guy into a celebrity, we want him to 655 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: be like a friendly giant as opposed to a crazy asshole. Yeah, 656 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: that's just where we are now. You know you can 657 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: you can take what you will from that. Anyway. I 658 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: found a story about Andrew in one of these articles 659 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: that I think says a lot, like kind of reinforces 660 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: the point we were making about how he feel his 661 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: awkwardness around women. There's a story in the Rolling Stone 662 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: Report about a woman who visits him. Who visited him 663 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: in Tristan in their home for a party in like 664 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and described him very differently from 665 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: how he's usually described. She said it was a really 666 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: good time at first Andrew hanging out with her and 667 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: her friends. He gives her like a boxing lesson. She's 668 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: having a lot of fun with him, but he's also 669 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of like a weird guy. She noted that he 670 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: was like there wasn't like much interesting or creative about him, 671 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: Like he knew how to fight, but he didn't really 672 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: have much to talk about, and he kept kind of 673 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: like going over the same lines, talking about his Porsche, 674 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: talking about his championship, belts, and after a while they 675 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: decided to, like, you know, this is the UK, take 676 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: the piss out of him a little bit, right, So 677 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: they she and a friend do a photo shoot in 678 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: front of his Porsche with like posing with his championship 679 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: belts and dressed they dressed his punching bag and girls clothes. Right. 680 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 1: They were like fuck around with him a little bit, 681 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, And they posted this ship on Facebook and 682 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: he blows up like what sounds like a very scary, 683 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: like like like rage episode. He's cursing at them, calling 684 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: them bitches. You get the feeling he's kind of at 685 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: least being physically threatening, although they certainly don't say that 686 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: he like attacked them. But like so they leave and 687 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: they never see him again. But it's one of those 688 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: things where like he's kind of the instant he's laughed at, 689 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: he he's like that that just absolutely destroys any kind 690 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: of self control he has. The the the mere fact 691 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: of a woman laughing at him is the thing that 692 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: like devastates this man, I don't know, says a lot. 693 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: Well, so many women have laughed at him since. 694 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah to suck man, And it's one of 695 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: the again, like one of the one of the best 696 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: things you can uh be as a guy, uh if 697 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: you if you are interested in like not not being 698 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: a creepy weirdo is not flip the fuck out when 699 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: people laughing because it happens so well. 700 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 4: Is a skill I think more people need to develop. 701 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it it it. It really deeply unsettles people when 702 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: like you do something silly and they laugh at you, 703 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: and then you act like a psychopath like that makes 704 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: people think that you might murder them. 705 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: It's generally not fun to be around those kind of people. 706 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a you know, we live in the society 707 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: we live in. You should you should put a lot 708 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: of focus into being someone who doesn't doesn't give off 709 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: I might murder you vibes. It's important. Yeah, a good 710 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: rule of thumb. Don't seem like you might murder people. 711 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: They don't like that. But Andrew again, Andrew's whole ego 712 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: is like wrapped up in seeming like a person who 713 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: might murder you. Bad way to make friends in my opinion, Andrew, So, 714 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: I think a thing I didn't get across well in 715 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: my earlier episodes was this kind of added context, which 716 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: I think what it makes under deniable. Is this vast 717 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: emptiness at the center of Andrew, right, Like that's what 718 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: these two girls claim, is that, like, you know, they 719 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: think it might be fun to hang out with him 720 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: at first, but there's just nothing there. All he's got 721 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: to talk about. All he's got within him is these 722 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: kind of visual signifiers, these belts in this car of success. 723 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: But there's like nothing he's not about in eustance. There's 724 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: no substance. Now we get some different stories from girls 725 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: who knew him when he was younger about like how 726 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: he got rich. His earlier girlfriend, a woman named Sveete, 727 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: who a couple of news agencies have talked to, says 728 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: that he got rich not from manipulating girls into camming, 729 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: but via kickboxing and crypto. That may have been a 730 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: lie that he told her to disguise that he had 731 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: earned his money via camming. It's a little unclear to me, 732 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna quote again here with her. She says 733 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: he adopted the persona of a family man. He would 734 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: just say he was looking for a sincere girl with 735 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: a pure soul to start a family and have three 736 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: to five children with, she says. Indeed, Set says Andrew 737 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: was particularly obsessed with getting her pregnant and insisted on 738 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: having sex with that protection. He talked many times about 739 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: giving her pregnant and having her raise his children, she says. 740 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: A spokesman for Tate says Andrew vehemently denies any allegations 741 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: that suggests he urged previous girlfriends to have unprotected sex. 742 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: So that's you know. I feel like we have to 743 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: put that in there for legal cases, but it is 744 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: like interesting to me. All of this context I think 745 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: fills him out and makes him a sadder example of 746 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: a person. It seems like his decision to become an 747 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: influencer and effectively create a cult around the image of 748 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: himself as a business guru and philosopher came after he 749 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: was kicked off of Big Brother as a result of 750 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: the rape allegations against him. We can pretty definitely say 751 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: that he exaggerated his claims of wealth at varying points. 752 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: In various videos, Tate claimed to be worth seven hundred 753 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: million dollars and sometimes to be the world's first trillionaire. 754 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 1: Romanian police were able to confiscate it about four million 755 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: dollars worth of assets. Now, I don't doubt that he 756 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: had more than that obviously it's not hard to hide stuff, 757 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: but I don't think it was anywhere close to seven 758 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: hundred million, let alone to trillion dollars now. His former 759 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: girlfriend also notes that he regularly claimed to be on 760 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: a tight budget, perhaps due to all the money he 761 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: had to spend on the fancy cars and the rolexes 762 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: and other signifiers of wealth. Whatever the truth, the source 763 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: of most of his money grew to be subscriptions to 764 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: his various online schools and the war Room, a series 765 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: of private discord rooms for people who described as his 766 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: insiders aka anyone with five thousand dollars they who were 767 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: related to give to Andrew Tait. In videos I watched, 768 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: he tries to portray the war Room as like his 769 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: the new Illuminati. You know, these are the most influential 770 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: men you've never heard of. They're gonna get They could 771 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: get me out of any bad situation I got into. 772 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 1: If I get into a problem in any country, they 773 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: can pull me out of it right away. You know, 774 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: I have connections everywhere. They'll take vengeance on my enemies 775 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: for me. Leaked chat logs from the war Room reveal 776 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: more pedestrian realities. There's a video of a guy who 777 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: enrolled in the War Room and presumably spend all that 778 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: money and did a vlog review of his time there. 779 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 2: Uh. 780 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: And he describes what the organization teaches as telling members 781 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: how to become a quote pimping guy who looks down 782 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: on women, uses them and abuses them and manipulates them 783 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: to get what he wants. 784 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: Uh. 785 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: He provides a screen grab of a member of the 786 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: War Room telling other people how to coerce their partners 787 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: on camera to like have sex on camera. Like it's 788 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: it's that sort of stuff. Like it's not you know, 789 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: these James Bond types all talking about how to manipulate 790 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: the stock market. It's guys being like, here's how to 791 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: sexually assault a woman in profit from right, that's yeah, 792 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 1: how to be a predator and yeah, like also, also, 793 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: guess who Guess who was a member of the war 794 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: I guess still is a member of the. 795 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,240 Speaker 3: War Lets tell us I'm excited. I'm so excited. 796 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: Jacob Wool incredible. Yeah, the Internet's favorite idiot boy whose 797 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: only backstory? Again, Andrew's talking like these he talks about 798 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: these p people like their fucking captains of industry and 799 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: like former spices. Jacob Woll's entire career is repeatedly failing 800 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: at obvious political scams and then getting sued, like nearly 801 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: into destitution for attempting and failing to manipulate an election 802 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: with a series of robo. 803 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 3: Calls like great, great catch, getting kid Grifter, like yeah. 804 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, getting the guy who, in like five different videos 805 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: posed with the same cigar. People proved it was the 806 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: same cigar by looking at markings on the wrapping, because 807 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: he doesn't actually smoke them. He just wanted to be 808 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: seen holding against like and he didn't have the money 809 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: to buy more than one. It's all about appearances with 810 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: these It's all about appearances. And that's the thing with 811 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: all these fucking guys. For whatever reason, cigars are a 812 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: big part of it. I'll say this for Andrew, like 813 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: I am a guy who smokes cigars. Andrew actually does 814 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: appear to smoke his cigars like he does it enough, 815 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: like he does it like a guy who like it. 816 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: Stephen Crowder does the same thing, and so does Ben Shapiro, 817 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: and I think they both hate cigars like they do 818 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: not They are like they're doing it like it's miserable 819 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: to them, like they're kissing a sake, I will say 820 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 1: I think Andrew actually does enjoy that, so I'll say 821 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: that for him. But you know that's not praise or anything. 822 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: It just means some other guys are even sadder. Another 823 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: guiding ethos of the war Room is achieving autonomy from 824 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: the matrix by obtaining multiple passports and citizenships. Screen grabs 825 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen war room chat logs obtained by Rolling 826 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: Stone appear to show the war Room instructing men how 827 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: to do so. In one screen grab, a user identified 828 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: as Tate outlines a project to help people obtain multiple passports. 829 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: Pay a price, send old ID passport in the mail. 830 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: We'll let you guys know as soon as we're live. 831 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's like pictures. Tate has posted pictures of 832 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: like his fake IDs, or what appeared to be his 833 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 1: fake IDs, and he's bragged about collecting passports to flee 834 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: from the law in different countries, which is part of 835 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: why after his arrest, his one month stay in jail 836 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: was extended three times. If you brag repeatedly about your 837 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: access to private jets and multiple passports, that provides the 838 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: government with a really easy case to describe you as 839 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 1: a flight risk. 840 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 4: I've seen enough episodes of law in order to know 841 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,959 Speaker 4: you shouldn't flaunt that kind of stuff when you're gonna 842 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 4: go to jail. 843 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: No again, an actual a dude who is the real 844 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: version of what Andrew pretends to be and thus has 845 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of fake IDs and shit because he's doing crimes, 846 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: never would talk about it. I never mend not a 847 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: fucking word. No, like watch heat. That's how you handle 848 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: this sort of shit. You don't brag about it on 849 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: fucking TikTok so Andrew, you know, once he gets locked up, 850 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: this is at the end of last year, kind of 851 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: goes very quickly from this sort of James Bond Man 852 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: of the World, uh International, Man of Mystery type of 853 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: branding to unhinged tweets that he's like sending out via 854 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: an intermediary. Like he goes like immediately from like I 855 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: am the business you know, guru, influencer ladies man to 856 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: like I am fighting ghosts in my jail cell. My 857 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: favorite example is this from February twenty fifth. I was 858 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: awoken last night by an icy chill and identified a 859 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 1: ghost in my prison cell. He was terrified and begged 860 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: me not to annihilate him. I sent him back to 861 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: hell with a message for the demons. I am always ready. 862 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 4: That's just like how broken his brain is. Like even 863 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 4: in these like fake scenarios, he just has to be 864 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 4: like the ultimate like badass, like unfazed, like he's I 865 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 4: can beat up ghosts. 866 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, I can fight ghosts. It is funny that 867 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: he's gone right back to bragging about like, no, my 868 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: dad locked me in the fucking closet. 869 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 2: I fought the ghosts off on my own Andrew. Okay, buddy, 870 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 2: that was actually that was actually Tristan just beating up 871 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 2: his brother in jail, wailing on him. 872 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: I love it. You know who would beat up their 873 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: brother in the dark. 874 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 4: Hmm. 875 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: Every sponsor we have for this podcast. 876 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 4: Okay, I'll take it. 877 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: Yep. 878 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 4: H ah. 879 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: We're back and we're talking about Andrew Tait in jail. 880 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: There were a lot of funny moments from his uh, 881 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: his jail, his his his his letter from a from 882 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,759 Speaker 1: a Romanian jail. At one point, his representative claimed that 883 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: he had been diagnosed with cancer and he needed to 884 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: go to Dubai for surgery. This was like publicly they 885 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: were saying this all of their fans to try to 886 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: generate outrage, like he's gonna die in jail. They're killing him. 887 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: This is a murder attempt now, the Romain government. He's 888 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: in jail. They're not even I say I wrote tapped 889 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: his phone calls. He's in jail, They know what he's 890 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: saying on the phone, right, just the way that any 891 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,839 Speaker 1: jail system does, right, Like if you're talking, like that's 892 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: the way it goes. Yeah. Uh so they and anyway 893 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: the calls that they listen to in them, he is 894 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: discussing like Dubai as a potential route for him to 895 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: escape from This is like claims made by people in 896 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: the Romanian law enforcement. Uh and since the UAE doesn't 897 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 1: like extradite to Romania, this makes sense but also kind 898 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: of backs up the government's claim that he can't be 899 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: released once this stuff leaks. Tate like that once the 900 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: like claims come out that like he might be sick, 901 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: there's a shadow on his lung. Tate was unable to 902 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: handle the idea of people thinking he was sick, even 903 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: though this was an important part of his escape strategy, 904 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: because again, sickness implies unacceptable vulnerabilities. So he posts, they 905 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: can't have that, Oh my god, no, no, he posts this. 906 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,960 Speaker 1: I do not have cancer. My lungs contain precisely zero 907 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: smoking damage. In fact, I have an eight liter lung 908 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: capacity and the vital signs of an Olympic athlete. There 909 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: is nothing but a scar on my lung from an 910 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: old battle. True warriors are scarred both inside and out. 911 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 4: Oh my god, he's so funny. 912 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: It's so funny. By the way, Yeah, I can't get cancer. 913 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: It's scared of me. Oh, I'm going to I'm going 914 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: to continue what he puts in this thread. As one 915 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: of the most influential men on the planet, and is 916 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: important for the good of humanity that I live as 917 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: long as possible. At my current strength levels, I estimate 918 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: to survive for at least five thousand more years. With 919 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: this in mind, I take my medical care extremely carefully. 920 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: I had a regular checkup organized in Dubai predetention. The 921 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: doctors were extremely interested in the scar on my lung. 922 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: They do not understand how I survive without treatment. They 923 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: do not know the secrets of Wudan. But this battle 924 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: has long passed. He attached this photo and the thread. 925 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 2: Sophie, I'm so sorry that I have to show you 926 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 2: this oh buddy. 927 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: It's it's just him doing a high kick and posing 928 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: in front of a mirror in his gym and his underwear. 929 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's gonna flex the cancer away. 930 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 2: And this guy is worried about women laughing at him, 931 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 2: stopping hysterical. 932 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: He's gonna live to be five, Sophie. He's going to 933 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: be the emperor of mankind. 934 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 3: That's so cool. Women five thousand years from now will 935 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 3: still be. 936 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, yeah, they they will have evolved 937 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: beyond gender, and they'll still be laughing at him. They 938 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: will be living as like mental energy, flying through the 939 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: ether and laughing at him. 940 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 4: For someone with such a fragile ego and who's clearly 941 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 4: like really obsessed with like looking powerful and strong, it's 942 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 4: just giving us so much fodder to make. 943 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: Fun of him with. That's like, Mike, it's so funny. 944 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: He's doing it to himself. 945 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 3: Funny. 946 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 1: Hmm. It's true, and that's what really hurts. 947 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 2: So. 948 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: Reporting based on sources within the Romanian judicial system suggests 949 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: that Andrew directed a support campaign and may have intimidated 950 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: witnesses from inside jail. From an article by BuzzFeed News, 951 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,280 Speaker 1: rip Romanian authorities also said that the Tates have encouraged 952 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: their army of followers to message at least one alleged 953 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: victim demanding she retracted her accusations. These comments are of 954 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 1: a nature to provoke in the victim a state of 955 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: fear as a result of the threatening tone they have 956 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: in addressing her, attempting to determine her to change her 957 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,799 Speaker 1: statements regarding the accused in the case. The judge noted 958 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,840 Speaker 1: in the February summary. On top of this, in December, 959 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: a US law firm representing the brother sent to cease 960 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: and assist to a woman in Florida. This is the 961 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: woman who he had been holding against her will, whose 962 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: mother contacted the FBI, who contacted US authorities to free her, 963 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: which is what started this whole series of investigations kind 964 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: of mid last year against any Tate that led to 965 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: his arrest. So he Romanian authorities are at least looking 966 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: at this as intimidation. Andrew's lawyer, Tina Glandion number one, 967 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: has said that her firm had no part in sending 968 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: this cease and desist, but obviously a lot of Andrew's 969 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the harassment being directed against people who 970 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 1: have made accusations against Andrew has occurred in a somewhat 971 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,320 Speaker 1: decentralized manner. Andrew was stoking it, and he's certainly talking. 972 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,880 Speaker 1: You know. The Romanian authorities say he is directing his 973 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: representatives to kind of incite harassment campaigns by his fans. 974 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,680 Speaker 1: But it's not as simple as just like, oh, yeah, 975 00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: somebody paid someone to go do this. You know, he 976 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: has people who are willing, who, once riled up, will 977 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: go and take action. There's evidence that at least one 978 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: fan attempted to track this woman down in her home 979 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,840 Speaker 1: in Florida. Thankfully he did not succeed, but there is 980 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: ample evidence that other fans have executed far reaching harassment 981 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 1: campaigns on women who have spoken out against him. We 982 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: talked about Daria Gusa on our last episodes. Who She 983 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: was the young Romanian woman who, when she was a 984 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: child was contacted by Tate in an attempt at grooming her. 985 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: She says after talking to the BBC for the article 986 00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: we cited, she received numerous threats in including a guy 987 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: who found her phone number, texted her and said that 988 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: he knew where she went to college and had her 989 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 1: class schedule. 990 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,240 Speaker 3: Jeez. 991 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: Daria claims that because of this harassment. Several of her friends, 992 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 1: who also had contact with Tate refused to talk about it. Quote, 993 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: it's not just the people who work for him, it's 994 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 1: that there are basically millions of men out there who 995 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: really idolize these people and would do anything to protect 996 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: them in their image. So I think it's completely justifiable 997 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: that so many girls don't want to speak out. BuzzFeed's 998 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: reporting also sheds more light on one of the women 999 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: arrested with the Tates, a former Romanian cop named Radhu, 1000 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: who is suspected of using her position to gain a 1001 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: legal access to a classified police database over most of 1002 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,839 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. A judge noted that quote, it would 1003 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: be impossible for the accused to access the database without 1004 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: support from others, which might be seen to suggest that 1005 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,359 Speaker 1: some Romania authorities believe a broader conspiracy exists with among 1006 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: members of their law enforcement agencies. That said, this all 1007 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that there's some like hidden Tate Cadra 1008 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: inside of Romanian policing. This could and probably is. I'm 1009 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: going to say this is the most unlikely explanation. Radhu 1010 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: is really devoted to this guy, partly maybe because she's 1011 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: in love partly because there's financial benefit here and she's 1012 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: bribing her colleagues for specific favors. Right, this is a 1013 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: known problem that Romania has bribery among public officials. There 1014 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like some secret like Cadra of 1015 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,400 Speaker 1: Tate supporters within Romanian policing for this to have happened. 1016 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 1: Rod Who just needs to have thrown some money around 1017 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,000 Speaker 1: at any rate. Buzzfeeds reporting suggests that rod Who may 1018 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,360 Speaker 1: have helped quash earlier allegations in Romania against Andrew. In addition, 1019 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,240 Speaker 1: prosecutors said they had obtained new information from the police 1020 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 1: unit local to the Tate compound suggesting that women had 1021 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 1: filed multiple complaints of violence, coercion and abuse against the 1022 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,040 Speaker 1: brothers that predated the current case. These complaints have gone unresolved, 1023 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: giving rise to bision of undue influence from Radu. So 1024 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: basically the thing he only got in trouble this time, 1025 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: Like this whole chain of events started because he was 1026 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: allegedly keeping that woman from Florida held against her will, 1027 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,320 Speaker 1: and her family contacted US authorities and that got the 1028 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: ball rolling on all of this. But there were claims 1029 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 1: from an in Romania and attempts to report to the 1030 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: police earlier that this Romanian cop quashed. Because she's on 1031 00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 1: Andrew Tate's team, she's profiting from this with him. There 1032 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: are also allegations that prosecutors make that Tate ordered his 1033 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: team to reach out to two right wing Romanian politicians. 1034 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: Both of these guys are like big gender politics, culture 1035 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: war dudes and COVID deniers. One of them is on 1036 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,719 Speaker 1: Ukraine's sanctions list for spreading Russian propaganda. And basically, I mean, 1037 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: here's the quote from Tate to talking to his assistant 1038 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: to telling her what to say to the two politicians. 1039 00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,759 Speaker 1: If you take the side of the guys when they 1040 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,359 Speaker 1: get out of prison, they will make sure you were 1041 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: rewarded for telling the truth. That's what he told his 1042 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: assistant to say to these these politicians. Now, to be 1043 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,879 Speaker 1: fair about that, like both of these right wing politicians 1044 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,800 Speaker 1: seem to have seen where the wind was blowing because 1045 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: they didn't. They did not agree to work with him, 1046 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,279 Speaker 1: and in fact, when asked by local media if they 1047 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,799 Speaker 1: were willing to defendate, they said no. So it kind 1048 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,879 Speaker 1: of seems like this was a Again, part of Tate 1049 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: had this kind of belief that you know, I went 1050 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 1: between my money and my connections, I can make anything happen. 1051 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,279 Speaker 1: But he flew too close to the sun, like there's 1052 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 1: this this, this whole thing blew up too big. So 1053 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,040 Speaker 1: when he reaches out to these guys who normally would 1054 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: have loved to be associated with him, they're like, no, bro, 1055 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,800 Speaker 1: you fucked up. Like number one, cops are listening to 1056 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: everything you say, like we don't want to We're not 1057 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,200 Speaker 1: let's start there. Number two, you are in a lot 1058 00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,239 Speaker 1: of trouble and we don't want to be associated with you. 1059 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: That's not smart. When you put all this stuff together, 1060 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,160 Speaker 1: it might be seen as somewhat surprising that the brothers 1061 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,880 Speaker 1: were finally released from jail and house arrest. Reporting does 1062 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,320 Speaker 1: suggest they're under heavy watch there, so they're unable to 1063 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: leave the country with ease, but still why were they 1064 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 1: released from jail? In an official summary of a late 1065 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: February court review, the judge, who had been on their 1066 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,360 Speaker 1: case from the beginning, claimed that there were new reasons 1067 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,360 Speaker 1: to keep the brothers incarcerated based on the government surveillance 1068 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: of their calls, and I found this in an article 1069 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,920 Speaker 1: in the Guardian. The accused present a clear danger for 1070 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: public order. They made preparations to evade criminal investigation by 1071 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: leaving Romania and are trying to influence witnesses and are 1072 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 1: exerting pressure on the victims. But a month or so later, 1073 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: two different appeals court judges, both of whom were new 1074 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,399 Speaker 1: to the case, approved the move to house arrest. There 1075 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be a good explanation as to why 1076 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,640 Speaker 1: this happened. Buzzfeeds reporting claims that there's a lot was 1077 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety at the move in official circles. 1078 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to say what's happening here, what 1079 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,200 Speaker 1: is going to occur. There are reports from like the 1080 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: judges who are still on the case that the information 1081 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: that's come out and that the attempts to influence witnesses 1082 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: by Tate have prejudiced judges against their case. Quote. One 1083 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,040 Speaker 1: experienced Romanian justice system insider who requested anonymity, told BuzzFeed 1084 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 1: News that Andrew's various missteps while in attention dimmed from 1085 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,960 Speaker 1: the influencer's need for public attention and his compulsion to 1086 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,040 Speaker 1: arouse controversy. I think Andrew Tate is not the most 1087 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: intelligent guy, the insider said, but he probably can't help 1088 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: himself and it's again kind of unclear to me, you know. 1089 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were like, this is 1090 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: a bad sign that they've released him into house arrest. 1091 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,399 Speaker 1: It was kind of unprecedented for them to hold him 1092 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 1: before indicting him for three months, so it's not entirely 1093 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: weird that this has happened. He is still like basically 1094 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,000 Speaker 1: waiting for the indictment, which should come before June, kind 1095 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 1: of based on the letter of Romanian law, they have 1096 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,759 Speaker 1: to make a move kind of before June, so we 1097 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,279 Speaker 1: will see what happens with that. I do want to 1098 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,800 Speaker 1: talk a bit about the person that Andrew was hired 1099 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,360 Speaker 1: to run his legal case, who is an American lawyer 1100 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,719 Speaker 1: named Tina Glandian. Tina has made a career of working 1101 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:58,839 Speaker 1: for high profile. 1102 00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 3: He hired a woman. 1103 00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she is a surprising well in part in 1104 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,760 Speaker 1: some ways a surprising. 1105 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,239 Speaker 3: But not surprising in terms of the p R. 1106 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:09,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1107 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 1: Well, and she's also she she is the disgraced celebrity lawyer. 1108 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,280 Speaker 1: Her past clients included Her past clients included Jesse Smollett, 1109 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: so that wasn't a win that she Also she was 1110 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: not the primary lawyer for but her boss was, and 1111 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,399 Speaker 1: she helped with Chris Brown. She was like representing them, 1112 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 1: and she also represented Kesha in one of Kesha's lawsuits 1113 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,560 Speaker 1: against her former producer, which went a lot better. So 1114 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: obviously this woman, you know, you win some, you lose some. 1115 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 1: I found a very puffy pr piece first of all. 1116 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,879 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that case she was in the right. 1117 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,800 Speaker 1: I found a very puffy pr piece about her on 1118 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,960 Speaker 1: a website called Dan's Papers that included this quote. Glandian's 1119 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,560 Speaker 1: legal counsel has proven invaluable to countless celebrities, professional athletes, 1120 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,759 Speaker 1: and entertainers. Her list read like boldface names splattered on 1121 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: page six, representing a listers such as Kesha, Mike Tyson, 1122 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,960 Speaker 1: and Chris Brown. Glandian was also the lead attorney in 1123 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: the Michael Jackson v. Extra Jet case after Jackson's charter 1124 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,480 Speaker 1: jet was illegally wiretapped. I am inspired by a desire 1125 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,920 Speaker 1: to help people, particularly the underdogs, Glandian says. The feeling 1126 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,880 Speaker 1: that someone is relying on me to tell their story 1127 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,920 Speaker 1: or to right or wrong is a great motivator. I 1128 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 1: strive to give my clients a voice and to be 1129 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:29,080 Speaker 1: their most zealous advocate. So you know, she sounds nice. 1130 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 1: She also claims to be a dedicated woman's rights activist. 1131 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,120 Speaker 1: In times when Glandein is not conducting business or trying cases, 1132 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,760 Speaker 1: she is an outspoken advocate and a champion for women's 1133 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: rights both nationally and internationally. She's a un representative for 1134 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: the Armenian International Women's Association and part of the Commission 1135 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,880 Speaker 1: on the Status of Women. 1136 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,560 Speaker 2: So that's when I heard women's rights activist. I think 1137 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 2: lawyer who helped Chris Brown. 1138 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you know, take that paycheck right, you can 1139 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 1: represent women like girl, don't. No, you gotta get paid first, 1140 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: Sophie got to get paid first, and then you can 1141 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: represent Kesha briefly but successfully. So since being released from jail, 1142 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 1: Andrew has continued to post the funniest post I found 1143 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: from him. Since his release, he's uploaded a like a 1144 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: picture to Twitter of a bunch of little electric scooters, 1145 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: like ten of them in the walden yard of his 1146 00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,960 Speaker 1: compound because he's on house arrest, with the text, they 1147 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 1: raided my house and took all my cars, so I 1148 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:38,360 Speaker 1: bought ten new bugattis So that's sad. He still maintains 1149 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,640 Speaker 1: his absolute innocence and says there's a zero percent chance 1150 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: of him being found guilty. One video showed him walking 1151 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,880 Speaker 1: around a room in his house smoking a cigar while 1152 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,160 Speaker 1: he says, since last year, I've been in twenty four 1153 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,120 Speaker 1: hour lockdown, no yard time, pacing a three meter cell 1154 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,840 Speaker 1: with zero electronics, are outside contact, absolute clarity of mind, 1155 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 1: real thoughts, real plans, vivid pain, one hour home and 1156 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,840 Speaker 1: I can't stand my phone. Some habits die hard, We 1157 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: must defeat Satan. 1158 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 4: Like what is he even talking about? 1159 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,360 Speaker 2: Some habits die hard, We must defeat Satan. I mean 1160 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 2: it sounds like a guy. 1161 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he says, because he's like doing a doing 1162 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: a doing a Muslim thing, which I still don't know 1163 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,360 Speaker 1: how serious he is about this, but like I am 1164 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: still kind of I'll be honest with you. It is 1165 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:31,920 Speaker 1: unclear to me if he's trying to play this right, 1166 00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,439 Speaker 1: like if he's if this is like if he thinks 1167 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,160 Speaker 1: that this is a smart play, or if he's actually 1168 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 1: coming on glued. And I guess we won't know that 1169 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 1: for a while. I mean, I don't see this all 1170 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,920 Speaker 1: seems weirder than some of it. He's always had bits 1171 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,480 Speaker 1: of this, just like martial arts. Mysticism has always been 1172 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: a piece of him and a piece of his like 1173 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 1: his like public profile. It's so much more now than 1174 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: it was before. 1175 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think there's only one logical 1176 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,720 Speaker 2: conclusion here is that the ghost won the. 1177 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Ghost one that he's being piloted by the ghost. It's 1178 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: driving his meat. Yeah, I think that's the truth. That's 1179 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:16,880 Speaker 1: the truth. 1180 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,960 Speaker 3: Well keep us posted. 1181 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well that's that's the Andrew uptate. I 1182 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,880 Speaker 1: hope you all have had a good time. 1183 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 4: It wasn't as bad, I guess, no. 1184 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: No, it's mostly funny. We'll be back Thursday because I 1185 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: found some books Andrew wrote and we'll be talking with 1186 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,160 Speaker 1: Sharen Lana Yunis about those. But until then, you can 1187 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,040 Speaker 1: find us in various places on the internet. I have 1188 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: a book called After the Revolution. You can just type 1189 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,000 Speaker 1: it into wherever you find books. Ian you had anything 1190 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:51,600 Speaker 1: to plug. 1191 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,439 Speaker 4: Uh no, I mean, you know, just cool zone media, 1192 01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:02,000 Speaker 4: keep keep it moving. I'm on Twitter and Instagram, young Hershey, 1193 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 4: y u n G. I don't really tweet or post 1194 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,280 Speaker 4: that much anymore these days, but I'm thinking about trying 1195 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 4: to get back into it. Maybe the fans will give 1196 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:10,600 Speaker 4: me some inspiration. 1197 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,440 Speaker 1: So oh yeah, posting is always a good idea. 1198 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:14,840 Speaker 3: Coward. 1199 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,120 Speaker 4: Yeah no, yeah, maybe you guys will get me back, 1200 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,280 Speaker 4: like terminally online, So let's do it. 1201 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,560 Speaker 3: Oh, actually, don't follow you in. That sounds bad. 1202 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: That's the life we want for you. I think I 1203 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 1: would get I think you can sue me if I 1204 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,200 Speaker 1: tried to urge you to become online again. 1205 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1206 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,680 Speaker 1: I think that's like a hostile work environment. 1207 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 3: That doesn't sound safe. 1208 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1209 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Anyway, that's the episode. 1210 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 4: Go to hell. 1211 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,360 Speaker 3: Bye, I love you Bye. Behind the Bastards is a 1212 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,640 Speaker 3: production of cool Zone Media. For more from cool Zone Media, 1213 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,560 Speaker 3: visit our website cool zonemedia dot com, or check us 1214 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 3: out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 1215 01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:56,440 Speaker 3: get your podcasts.