1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today's 2 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: guests may be best known for being the first to 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: take all twenty nine North American Big Game animals with 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: the recurve bow and complete the super Slam. Fred Eichler. 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: He's been fortunate enough to share his love and enthusiasm 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: of the sport with fellow bow hunters across the country 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: through his television shows and personal appearances. Today, we hope 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: to tap into his knowledge on predator calling, but more 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: specifically targeting bears. Welcome to the show, Fred, Hey, thanks 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: so much, Sy I appreciate it. How's everything going absolutely great? 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: Man's a beautiful day here in Colorado, and uh having 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: a blast. Just got done do some predator calling the 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: other day down in Texas and Florida. So still rolling here, buddy, 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how to slow down. Good deal, Good deal. 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Um So I remember, and I don't want to date myself, 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: but um, I remember like growing up a little bit 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: and watching a lot of your stuff on East and 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: Bowing TV and and some of your stuff come through 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: YouTube and and while you were very accomplished hunter and 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: and uh, I loved watching that. I almost got this 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: sense that um you're a little bit of a wild 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: man when it came to bears and some of the 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: stuff that I had, Um, you've seen you do. Uh 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: the one where you guys were in the raft. Um, 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: you guys came up on the three cubs and that 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: sal was on you guys and seconds like that one 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: is like burned into my um. You know, I think 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: there's a video of maybe you guys were to lodge 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: or at a camp and there's a black bear messing 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: around in the garbage can and you go up and 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: decide you want to give him a little pat on 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: the back. Uh, you know they're there's just like when 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: I think you're Fred, I think of like an amazing 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: like recurve bow hunter, but I also think of like 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: a guy that I want to say reckless. You know 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're very skilled, but like the bears 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: don't seem to bother you as much. But then, um, 38 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: you've also got you know, a ton of experience calling 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: bears and that's really why I wanted to talk to you, 40 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: um today. You know, there there's a video of of 41 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: you on YouTube. You know, you call a bear and 42 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: he walks down the log. I think he's fifteen seventeen 43 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: yards above you. You know, on a different hunt, you 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: called in two different bears. Um, you know what on 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: on a ROSSI video that you were filming with your 46 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: forty seventy UM. So there's just when I when I 47 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: think of your fred Eichler, uh, you know bears, I 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: think of bears and calling bears for some reason, I 49 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: know you're you're very accomplishing and you you probably don't 50 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: want to be UM categorized by ball but that's definitely 51 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: why we why we brought you on here. Well, I'm honitored. 52 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate what I think of you. I think of 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: elk and calls. So that's the only fair YEA perfect 54 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: perfect So we'll get this started off. I we've got 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: a couple of questions, UM, typical questions for black bear hunters. 56 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably um, you know, pivot to you to answer. UM. So, 57 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: when you're calling bears, do you use any natural sounds 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: with your UM calling? So, like, you know, if if 59 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: something you're imitating something dying predator instinct, you're trying to 60 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: draw on that. Are you snapping sticks? Are you're breaking brush? 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Are you just strictly calling? So I've done both. I've 62 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: I've broken branches, I've kicked you know, around with my boot. 63 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: A lot of it depends on the bear. I love 64 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: it when you can see a bearing call. So I've 65 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: called in bears blind calling, which you know, I refer 66 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: to blind calling as you're not looking at the bear, 67 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: You're just literally set up in a very very looking area. Um, 68 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: maybe you've got a lot of sign there and you're 69 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: just hoping that you're in the right spot bears close 70 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: enough to hear you. Um, that works great. I've've had 71 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: success doing that. I have more success if I can 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: spot the bear first and gauge its reaction to my 73 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: calling to the to the other noises I'm making light, 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: breaking sticks or kicking brush. You know, if I see 75 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: that bear start to hesitate or as I'm really willing 76 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: on the call, does it come in faster if I'm 77 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: slowing down or quiet it down, or if I'm louder 78 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: and more aggressive. So, every bear, just like every person, 79 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: has a totally different personality, as you know, and you know, 80 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to be a you know, I've been 81 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: around a lot of bears, Polar bears, the bears, brown bears, 82 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: and and a lot of black bears, not only for 83 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: myself hunting, but for clients as well, So everyone is different. 84 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: I wish I could say it was cookie cutter and boy, 85 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: this is gonna work every time. But as you know, 86 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, calling in a bunch of elk and all 87 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: the different animals that you've called in and hunted, everyone 88 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: is a little bit different. And I think bears are 89 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: even even more so than that. You know, you can 90 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: take white tails and yeah, everyone's a little different. But 91 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: for bears, it seems like there's such a wide variety 92 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: based on their experience. As you know, you know, is 93 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: it a you know, dominant bears or subordinate bears? It 94 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: a you know, is it a bore? Is it a female? 95 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: What time of years it is? Springs it fall? A 96 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: lot of variables come into play for that, but yes, 97 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: and answer a long winded answer to your question based 98 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: on the bear. If I can see it, I'll switch 99 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: it up. If I have a bear starting to hesitate 100 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: and uh, I'm kicking and making a lot of brush noise, 101 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: then I'll stop slow down on that. Um. If I'm 102 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: not making any noise and that bear has they sent 103 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: I'll try and make more realism and maybe I'll kick 104 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: some branches and try and have some bushes moving around me. 105 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: You know. At the same time, you know that that 106 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense, and U we all know bears. 107 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: Here's the second question. We all know bears can't see 108 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: the greatest um, but they can see your makeout movement. 109 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Do use any visual attractant and any of your bear setups? 110 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: Are you trying to be as still as possible? So 111 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: great questions. Sometimes I've even gone with black clothing because 112 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: I want the bear to think maybe I'm another bear. 113 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: A lot of times, y'alla bears getting aggressive um and 114 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: they almost think it's a you know, whether it's another bear, 115 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: whether they think it's a cub um. I've had boars 116 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: running that I think, we're like, man, this is a 117 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: cub And I say that because I've had sALS that 118 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: had cubs charge in almost like they thought one of 119 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: their cubs, you know, it was possibly getting hurt, which 120 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: is you know, can be a little exciting. You know. 121 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: I've had a few crazy, crazy experience as you mentioned 122 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: the one charge. You know, you couldn't got a grease 123 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: bb in my butt with a hammer, you know at 124 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: that time. And I've had a few times like that. Uh, 125 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: I'm not really scared of black bears. Um, you know, 126 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: I've just been around so much. But I'm very cognizant 127 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: that you know, they are big, strong bears and and uh, 128 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: but once you start, I don't know, I don't want 129 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: to sound like that guy that got eaten in Alaska, 130 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: but once start messing with them, you start to feel 131 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: a little more comfortable. But I'm also very cognizant that 132 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, they're strong animals in it's their environment, and 133 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: so you know, I try to play each one a 134 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: little bit differently. Got you, got you well, thank you? 135 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: And if you out there want to submit your own 136 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: questions and cutting in the distance, you can email us 137 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: at ct D at Phelps game Calls dot com and 138 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: we'll take your guys as questions and um you answer them, 139 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: answer it myself, or we'll we'll send it to the experts. 140 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: So now we're gonna get into the questions I have 141 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: for you, Fred, Um, you know, and kind of my 142 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: interest in calling bears, um, and you may be different, 143 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: but just the overall consensus is, you know, calling bears 144 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: seems to almost be played with with somewhat low odds 145 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: now you can kind of you know, correct me or 146 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: or you know, versus the typical spot in stock And 147 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're answer to one of the earlier questions. 148 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: Maybe you do a little bit of both. You spot 149 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: the bear and then you go in and try to call. 150 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: So it's kind of that hybrid system. We do it 151 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: a lot elk calling. You know, it's not we're not 152 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: calling the elk to our location. We're gonna find them, 153 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: go get close, and then move them a very short 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: distance if possible. It always up to your odds versus um. 155 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: So you know, I mentioned we were talking before a 156 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: little bit. I've said up probably thousands of times to 157 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: call an elk and and and that's a false setting. 158 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, the bears are pretty full by then. But 159 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: I've only had six bears come in. What would you say, 160 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: like in your typical setups, what your odds are for 161 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: calling a bearon you know, and that's you might want 162 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: to um, you know, preface that with whether you've just 163 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: bought at a bear, whether there was a bear in 164 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: that area a day ago, versus if you're completely cold 165 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: calling in an area that seems to be barry. You know, 166 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: But what are your odds when you sit down, the 167 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: call a great question. So I would say, when I'm 168 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: blind calling, well, it's probably one out of twenty to 169 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: be honest. I mean, it's not something I would tell everybody. 170 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: Oh man, go out there and think you're gonna do 171 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: this every time, even when you're in a pretty bury area. Um, 172 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, it be you know, as low as one 173 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: out of twenty. But to me, one out of twenty 174 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: is awesome. You know what I mean. If I make 175 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: ten calls in one day and nothing comes in, I 176 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: make ten calls the next day. In two days, I'm 177 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: expecting a bear to come in, you know, and react 178 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: to my call. So you know, it doesn't sound great. 179 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: But to me, I look at it like, every single 180 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: time I don't I call and nothing comes in, I 181 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: get even more excited because I'm like, what are the 182 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: odds something's not gonna come in this next time? You know, 183 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm one of those, you know, I'm an optimist. So 184 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to that, but blind calling is by 185 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: far the most difficult, just because you don't know if 186 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: you're you know, even with an ear shot, you may 187 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of sign, but are they coming in 188 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: there at night? Are they coming in there? You know? 189 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Is that signed five hours old? Is it? You know 190 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: what I mean? You know, twelve hours old? Where's the bear? 191 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: You know at that time? So now when it comes 192 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: to seeing a bear and then calling it, man, I'm 193 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: gonna up that up to like two out of ten 194 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: um because you can have a lot better odds um 195 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: with bears when you can see them. And I think 196 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: a lot of that's because I can gauge their reactions. 197 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: So I do a lot of different things. You don't. 198 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: I'll look at the bear, and a lot of times 199 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: I won't call the bears, even though I think I can, 200 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: because it's either you know, it might be a juvenile bear, 201 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: and I don't want to, you know, have it come 202 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: in curious, And I'll play a juvenile bear a lot differently. 203 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: I'll go real quiet. So I brought a couple of calls, 204 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: but like I may just gauge its reaction, and I 205 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: don't want to blow you out here, but you know, 206 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: gauge its reaction really slow, like you know, I'm just starting, 207 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, And and I'll try and sound like something 208 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: with a little longer breath or something with a little 209 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: shorter breath. So like a deer when it's squalling, you 210 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean, or something's killing it. It has 211 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: bigger lungs. It makes a longer squall, you know. And 212 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: then as opposed to like a rabbit or smaller animal, 213 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: they keep taking breaths really quickly. So I'll gauge based 214 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: on the size of the bear. A lot of times 215 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: how I'm gonna call, but a lot of bears I 216 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: don't call too. So if it's a juvenile bear, I'm 217 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: gonna go. Uh. If it's a sound with cubs, I 218 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: try and leave that alone. You know. You know, how 219 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: have I ever messed with him a little bit just 220 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: because it's exciting, and you know, when I've had guys around, like, hey, 221 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: you want to see something crazy, you know, watch this. Uh. 222 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: But normally I'm just looking for you know, your your 223 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: loan bears, your more mature bears, And that's what I'm 224 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: That's what I'm setting up for um, just for the 225 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: safety reason and also so guys have a minute to 226 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: look at that bear. I'll try and set up where 227 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: I can watch watch a little country um or get 228 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: to where between me and the bear, I can see 229 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: the bear approaching. UM bears aren't gonna hook a lot 230 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 1: down wind. Usually, you know the bears that I've called to, 231 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, they'll come more straight at you. They're not 232 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: trying to hook wide and catch your wind. Um. If 233 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: you set up correctly, that bear is usually gonna come 234 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: into you. You know, they're not too worried about stuff. 235 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: There are kind of a you know apex, you know, 236 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: top tier predator, and they're not worried about something else 237 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: eating them, unless it's a grizzy or brown bear. And 238 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: if you're in country that has both. But normally a 239 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: black bear is gonna come in. So I try and 240 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: get to where I can see it. Um. Now that 241 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: could be advantageous and disadvantage as well. I had a 242 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: client one time with a muzzleloader. Of course you've only 243 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: got one shot, and you know, you get a lot 244 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: of smoke, you know, if you're shooting, uh, you know 245 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: the old the old muzzloaders. But I called it a 246 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: bear from about a hundred and fifty yards and it 247 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: comes screaming in and and it was just one of those. 248 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: It was the right time, It was the right bear, 249 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: and this bear is coming, and that I could tell 250 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the guys just getting really nervous. I'm like, man, just 251 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: stay calm, you know what I mean, Hopefully he'll coming 252 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: close and he'll stop. Well, this bear gets about eight 253 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: yards away, doesn't have a good shot, stops, so I 254 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: start pouring the coals to him. You know, I start 255 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 1: really just just just wailing hard, just really you know, 256 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: kind of aggressive. And this bear just drops off the 257 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: hill and he's coming as hard as a bear can come. 258 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: And I stopped calling and I start yelling trying to 259 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: stop the bears, like guy can get a good shot, 260 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: and he's just I mean, this bear is gonna run 261 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: us right over, you know, he's coming right ass. And 262 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: I'm like I start telling I'm like, shoot shoot him. Shoot. Well, 263 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: the bear gets about twenty yards on a full run, 264 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: and he's coming right to me. Guy touches off this 265 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: muzzloader and smoke, you know, either us could see, and 266 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, you know how you cringe 267 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm like, man, this is gonna hurt. 268 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: He's gonna you know, he doesn't eat us, he's gonna 269 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: he's gonna knock us over for sure. And there's smoke everywhere. 270 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: I can't see a thing, you know. And finally the 271 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: smoke clears and this poor guy is gone. Then you know, 272 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: to be like he scoots away, he's freaked out, he's 273 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: in a little ball, you know, he's like, oh my gosh, 274 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: I was gonna kill us hit him, and he goes. 275 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even aim at him, he goes. I just 276 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: pull the trigger to get him to go away. Like 277 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: that would have been so incredible. So you know, again 278 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: long when it answer your question. But yes, I'll change 279 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: it up. I like to set up where I can 280 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: see um, I'll call you know, I will call blind. 281 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, one out of twenty, 282 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: maybe where's where's opposed to when I can see a bear, 283 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: I can probably get two out of ten to to 284 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: respond and and actually come in whether that's all the 285 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: way to you or get some kind of respond from 286 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: where they're coming and closing the distance to a degree. Yeah. Yeah. 287 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: And then just a follow up question to something you 288 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: said there from my form my own curiosity. You you 289 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: mentioned like based on the size of the bear, you 290 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: will call different or maybe use like rather than a rabbit, 291 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: use a font. Are you are you using like a 292 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: fawn call with a bigger bear or or did I 293 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: miss here that no, no, no no, you're changing the total right. Yeah, 294 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: So you know, a smaller bear, just like you know 295 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: smaller predators. A smaller bear might might be a little 296 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: antivity if it's a really loud super squall, you know, 297 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: a larger animal. So if it's a really younger bear, 298 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll go with a smaller or 299 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: not as aggressive predator. Sound um. But if it's a bigger, older, 300 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: mature bear, and I look at it and go, man, 301 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: that things probably killed elk calves, moose calves, deer calves, everything. 302 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: It's been around the block and heard a lot of 303 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: things die. Um, I'm gonna maybe play a little more 304 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: aggressive a longer lunged animal like a deer or an 305 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: elk calf or or something like that. And I'll even 306 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: use diaphragms at times just to make that plaintive longer 307 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: call uh to to increase the odds of it coming in. Okay, perfect, 308 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: perfect um. So we we talked about this on our 309 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: last bear calling podcast. But you know, for me, it's 310 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: a struggle because bears don't necessarily call back everything else. 311 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: I call to turkey, I make a noise, they answer 312 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: me back. I know I'm in the right spot, Like 313 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,599 Speaker 1: this is a spotting need to be So how do 314 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: you find confidence in a spot like pre scouting when 315 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: you're going out, you know the red trees, you know, 316 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: scout all that, Like how do you know, like is 317 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: there an amount of scat? Is there enough sign? Like 318 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: what's your what's your factors into knowing you're in a 319 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: good spot to be? UM for calum bears great point 320 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: um one. A lot of times it's scat, and I 321 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: like a lot of fresh scat. Bears follow food sources, UM, 322 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: just like the elk and things like that. But it 323 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: seems like you'll have a lot of bears in one 324 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: small area. So in my area, you know here in 325 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: southern Colorado, Um, I live at seven thousand feet you 326 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: know this is this is my house here where I'm living, 327 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: and we'll have bears all over here and behind the 328 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: house and and on our rants as well as a 329 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: lot of the places that we hunt. UM. But I'm 330 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: looking for oak brush, you know, I'm looking for when 331 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: acorns are dropping, and based on whether it's a south 332 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: slope nor slope where you know, whether it's sounding a 333 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: canyon or not. UM oak brush and a lot of 334 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: the oak trees will off acorns at different times, you know, 335 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: it maybe a couple of days difference, it maybe weeks difference. 336 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: So I'm looking for the spot that's hot at that time, 337 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: what's dropping, Where are all the bears? And if I'm 338 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: seeing all kinds of fresh cat, then I know the 339 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: bears are there. Um, I'm doing a lot of glassing. 340 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'll get up high. You know, I'll look 341 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: with a spotting scope. Um, I'm looking in dirt roads 342 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: for tracks on top of my tracks, um, whether it's 343 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: hire tracks, so there's my boot tracks. So you know, 344 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking for that tons of activity to get in 345 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: there and and increase my odds. Um, In areas like that, 346 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: I'll have more success. When i'm blind calling, I don't 347 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: actually have to see the bear. If I know it 348 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: looks like they're really feeding on the soap brush and 349 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna be laying up close. Same thing, you know, 350 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: in a very state the state legality wise, but if 351 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: bears are on a carcass, a lot of times the 352 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: more mature bears, and you everybody's that that has hunted 353 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: bears over baits has watched them come in and usually 354 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: it's you know, the subordinate, you know, the smaller bears 355 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: or you know, the ones that are that aren't dominant, 356 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: slip in first earlier, and they'll grab a little meat, 357 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, or whatever whatever they're sitting on, and then 358 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: the bigger bears will come and then ride it dark. 359 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: You know, the big ones come mambling in there, or 360 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: if they know that there's a younger bear trying to 361 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: steal their feet, they'll come running in earlier. So a 362 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: lot of times I'll set up close to those feet 363 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: sources again, whether it's acorns, whether it's a dead carcass. 364 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: Here in Colorado you can legally hunt over the carcass 365 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: of a of a legally killed animal or something that 366 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: you've found. So let's say one of my clients harvest 367 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: and elk. We take all the edible meat off it, 368 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, quarters, backstop, sent alongs all that, and there's 369 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: just a gut pile, maybe some ribs there. You know, 370 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: I'll set up and call off that. Once a bear 371 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: start hitting that, that's a great location to slip into 372 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: and and try and call something off of. Got you perfect, 373 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: perfect um. So you're going out on a bear hunt. 374 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: You're in a column, so you expect them to be 375 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, fifty sixty, you know, maybe a hundred yards? 376 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: Like what what gun are you grabbing out of your 377 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: your gun safe? You know before you take off too, 378 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: if you're gonna target bears and intend to call him in, 379 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: so you know what I come guys, you can use 380 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: any weapon you want. A lot of guys are into 381 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: the longer range. Some people don't like bears up close. 382 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: For me, calling a bear is about being up cloaks, 383 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: like I want him close. Um. You know one of 384 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: the guys that you know hunt with in Canada, lot, 385 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, Clint, He's got kiss Yox Valley Outfitters, and 386 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: he loves calling bears in. And we both look at 387 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: it the same way, like I want the bear right 388 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: on top of me, you know. To me, I didn't 389 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: really call that bear in or do a great job 390 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: of calling him in unless he's under thirty yards. I 391 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: want the bear close, you know. So that's so I 392 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: choose my weapon accordingly. Um, when I'm also calling bears 393 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: and I want something that has a lot of stopping power. Um, 394 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: sot seventy to me, there's something about the lever guns too. 395 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: You know, I've gotta you know, I've got a Rossy 396 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: forty five seventy and I absolutely love it. It's just 397 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, and any of those you know, Marlon, there's 398 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: a bunch of people that have those levers and the 399 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: larger calibers. But I've got a you know, rossy lever 400 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: forty five seven and eat and I'm running a heavy 401 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: bullet through it hollow point and man when they come up. 402 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: You know, Hornedy has got some quite a few different 403 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: loads for it. And I want something that when I shoot, 404 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna drop the bear either in its tracks or 405 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna knock that bear to where it's not gonna 406 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: go twenty yards and it's gonna drop. Um. Also, just 407 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: so you have the shorter barrel, I'm not trying to 408 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: acquire a scope. I like the open sites. Red dots 409 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: not a bad idea either, but for me, I like 410 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: open sits. Uh, you know, the shorter levers because it's quick. 411 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: You can swing it quick, you can react quick. Um. 412 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: You know, if I'm with a client, um, you know, 413 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: even if I'm hunting with a you know, with another guy, 414 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: then we're both calling. You know, I've tandem called with Clint, 415 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: you know, a Candida we've got an absolute blast do 416 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: and that um, because man, I mean when you got 417 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: two guys and calling differently, oh, it just it just 418 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: seems like, you know, multiple just like Elk calling when 419 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: you have one guy Calcolm here, another guy calcn behind you. 420 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: Um with bears too, when we have two different guys, 421 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: was running a little bit different sounds. Everybody calls a 422 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: little bit differently. Man, it seems like Bears just know 423 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: it increases the odds. So sometimes tandem calling works great too. 424 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm gonna tell you that that a lever 425 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: short heavy caliber. I like that because I like calling 426 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: him in close. So you know, I'll have a lot 427 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: of barrats that will close that you know, a hundred 428 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: yards and that's neat. You can reach out there and 429 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, shoot him with a scope and that's all 430 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: great too. But for me, if I go on out 431 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: and going, man, I'm gonna try and call a Barrett. 432 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: This is my goal. I want him in right on 433 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: top of Yeah, do you do you still pick up 434 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: the recurve if you're gonna if you're gonna call, is 435 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: a bow a good option, like, just because there there's 436 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: that chance that you're not gonna get him to stop 437 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: at twenty or thirty, right and exactly go ahead. I'm 438 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: sorry I started laughing because I'm like, I have my 439 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: answer to this. So, yeah, I was assuming. I was 440 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: assuming the answer was that, but I just wanted to 441 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: double check that you're not picking up your your record 442 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: or any bow when you're going to specifically calling though. 443 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: And that's that's a great question. Now have I done it? Yes? 444 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: Is it something I'm ever gonna take a client on 445 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: or is it something I would ever suggest people to do? Know? 446 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: And I say that because especially blind calling. Um, I've 447 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: had situations where we've had to shoot, you know, in 448 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: in front of a sal with cubs. Um that was 449 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: really aggressive. And not only do you stop calling it 450 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: and have to shoot in front of it and back 451 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: out of the area, but man with with a bow, 452 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, and I always carry a carry gun anyways, 453 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: but just that reaction time when a bear closes quick. 454 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: And that's why I like to be able to see 455 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: a little bit. But when you have a bear just 456 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: come on top of you just like that and you're 457 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: in you know, sometimes they can do that. Uh yeah, 458 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: bow's not really it's it's it's not the perfect thing 459 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: to use when you're calling bears, whether it's you know, 460 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: grizzlies or browns or blacks. Um. You know, hey, if 461 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: somebody wants to do it, that's fine. But I'll just 462 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: saying it's I've seen some situations where I went, I'm 463 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: really glad I didn't have my recurb there that could 464 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: have that could have turned a little south. So so yeah, 465 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: for me, that's that's more of a you know, you know, 466 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: slip slip in and shoot it with the bows. But 467 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: for calling them, you know, I'm more of a probably 468 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: better to have a gun with. You got you got you. Um, 469 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: Now let's get into some of the fun stuff. Um, 470 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: the predator calls. You know, there's there's a lot out there. 471 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: There's you know, you can go electronic caller or you 472 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: can go mouth calls. You can go open read versus 473 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: you know, close read. You can, um kind of walk 474 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: through what you look at predator calls. I know you've 475 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: um partnered up with Western rivers um, you know, to 476 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: to make your own electronic call, So tell us a 477 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: little bit about that, and then you know you've already 478 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: demonstrated some mouth calls, so just kind of walk through 479 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: your selection when you're going to call bears, Um, you 480 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: know what what calls you're looking at, what you're gonna bring. 481 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: You know the legality of you know, certain calls in 482 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: certain states, and kind of walk through that. That whole 483 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: the whole conversation on the calls. Now, great quest and Jason, 484 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: and you know probably better than you know anyone because 485 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: you've called so much and you know your own line 486 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: of calls and everything you've done. Um, it's so important. 487 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Animals can get educated to a certain call, whether it's 488 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: a turkey, whether it's a coyote. You know, almost any 489 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: animal learners and and can get educated and if it 490 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: has a bad experience. So one of the things I 491 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: like is switching it up, um. And whether that's a 492 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: mouth call electronic call, Um, I try and blow electrac 493 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: or mouth calls differently. If I'm hunting in the same 494 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: area or going to a place I've been before, and 495 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: the same thing with electronic calls. I'll literally sometimes keep 496 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: notes and go, Okay, I hunted this area, whether it's 497 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: a public land area or a private ranch, and I 498 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: played this call, this call on this call. So when 499 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: I go there next time, I'm gonna play totally different sounds, 500 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: um mixing it up. It's huge. You know. I've done 501 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: predator seminars before, and one of the questions I'll ask 502 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: how many people here, you know have gone predator hunting? 503 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: And almost everbody raised their hand. That's why they know 504 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: they're there, you know, at the seminar. And I'll say 505 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: how many people, um, you know are happy with the 506 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: success that they have predator hunting, you know, and maybe 507 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: a quarter of the hands will go up, you know, 508 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: and again that's whether they're a seminar. And I'll say 509 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: how many people play a dying rabbit call? And every 510 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: single hand goes up. I'm like, well, there's your problem. 511 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: Everybody's playing that time grabbic call because that's what it 512 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: started with, you know, and and those those coyotes and 513 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: and and fox everything they're getting educated to it. And 514 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: I've gone to places where people have had zero success 515 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: and said, man, I just these cuyouts are so smart. 516 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: I just can't call him in or I don't understand it. 517 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: Nobody's ever called this is my favorite one. Nobody's ever 518 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: called in this spot. But I still can't call Cyouts in. 519 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you understand that Coles may arrange five 520 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: miles ten miles. If your neighbor ten miles away called, 521 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, six months or a year ago, then he 522 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: educated the coyotes that you're seeing the tracks and Scaft four. 523 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: So I'll go in and mix it up and I'll 524 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: play a calf ball, I'll play a fawn bleat, I'll 525 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: play chickens, you know what I mean. For rurals, I'll 526 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,239 Speaker 1: play dogs, you know, squalling, I'll play guineafoul. You know, 527 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: I'll play the totally random different sounds that people don't play, 528 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of people are nervous to do that. So, 529 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, when I worked with Western Rivers, I was like, man, 530 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, I've used dang year every call on the market, 531 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: and so is everybody else, and it's hard now to 532 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: even find it a call that something hasn't heard. So 533 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: I want to pre record, or I want to record 534 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: some of my own sounds. So we went out and 535 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: and got all kinds of of different sounds that hadn't 536 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: been heard before, and it was awesome, you know, and 537 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: that continually switching it up for for the animals helps huge. 538 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: But to your point about legality and and things, I 539 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: called it a mountain lion. I was telling you before 540 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: this you know podcast, and it was, oh, I don't know, 541 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: about two months ago and I was, you know, behind 542 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: my house on the ranch and set up and I 543 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: had a guy from Arkansas with me actually, and uh, 544 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: I set up my electronic call, my you know, my 545 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: West Drivers call and started calling and we got amazing 546 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: video of a mountain lion just all of a sudden 547 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 1: it crept up to about twenty artis from the call, 548 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: and then it runs up and literally is standing right 549 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: over my electronic call and my caraman's getting it all 550 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: on video. And I'm like, oh, I got a mountain 551 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: lion tag in my pocket. I can't shoot the lion 552 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: because in Colorado and the aream hunting, you can't use 553 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: an electronic call. Had I been using a mouth call, 554 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: it would have been awesome and I could have used it. 555 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: So I tell people check legalities, you know in areas. 556 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: But you know, a lot of times you have to 557 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: have both in your arsenal mouth calls, you know, as 558 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: well as electronic calls, just so you can hunt not 559 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: only more species, uh, increase your success, but also cover 560 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: the legal side of it. You know what I mean. Okay, 561 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: I just saw a bearer. I just saw a mountain lion. 562 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: All I have is electronic call. I'm out of luck. 563 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: So in areas where you can't use them, so being 564 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: able to pull that mouth call out of your pocket 565 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: or out of your pack and and still be able 566 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: to interact and play and get a chance of the 567 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: animals is huge. The biggest difference to me when I 568 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: tell people, and I'm old enough to where I started 569 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: out with mouth calls, because that's really all they had 570 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: besides the old Johnny Stewart tape players. You know, you 571 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: put the speakers out, and I was I was going 572 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: to tell a funny story about you like changing it up, 573 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: Like I'm convinced the coyotes I hunted back and in 574 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: the old days they like new you know, you can 575 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: start to sing along, like you know the next song 576 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: on the tape and the next sound, like we played 577 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: that same thirty minute tape. You know, It's like these 578 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: coyotes know the next sound that's coming in the next 579 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: sound as well. They knew we'd walk that, Yeah, we'd 580 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: walked down there, flip the tape and hit the play 581 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: button again, you know, and it's like they could they 582 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: could have probably sung our tape, but uh yeah, yeah, 583 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: changing it up, we didn't do much. You know. We 584 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: would open it up. We'd have two or three tapes 585 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: and they were gonna get one of them and uh, 586 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna play, play both sides. That's that's what I 587 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: did all the time. So you know, it's it's funny. 588 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: But now there's such a just such a myriad of 589 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 1: you know, calls available to people. But I like the 590 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: fact um with the electronic call in. The huge advantage 591 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: to me is when I'm blowing a mouth call, like 592 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: for bears, that bears focused on me, you know, that 593 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: mountain lion, that fox at coyote, that badger that you know, 594 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's focused on where that sounds coming from. 595 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: So whether it's a bobcat sneaking in looking for any movement, 596 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: it increases the odds of me getting busted because I'm 597 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: moving my mouth or my head and then I've got 598 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: to drop down and get my weapon, so you know, 599 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: or even if I've got it on you know, on 600 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: a on a you know, tripod or something, I've still 601 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: got a lot more movement with a mouth call, and 602 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: a lot of times that shot is quartering to you, 603 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: coming to you, or if an animal's gonna circle a 604 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: little down wind, he's gonna be behind me or you know, 605 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: off to the quarters and I'm not gonna see that 606 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: animal at all. The huge advantage to electronic calls for 607 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: the guys to take advantage of that distance is putting 608 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: that call out fifty yards from you, so now you 609 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: can have the animal not focused on you, focused on 610 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: the call. It's coming into where that you know noise 611 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: is emanating from. And I love decoys too, because I 612 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: think if you can fool their ears you know to mean, 613 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: but also fool their eyes, You're just increasing more and more. 614 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: And then if you can throw in some scent like 615 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll use conquest sent around my call if I can. 616 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: You know, the more senses I can fool, the more 617 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: it increases my odds of getting that animal in close. 618 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: But you've got that call out there, the animals coming in, 619 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: it increases the odds of getting a better shot and 620 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: an animal it's not going to spot you and focusing 621 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: that animal on where you want it to go, so 622 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, the for the guys to take their time 623 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: and learn how to set up correctly, it's really you 624 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: can't be an electronic call. It's just you know, with 625 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: with the myriad, you know, a push of a button 626 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: being able to play a lot of different sounds. One 627 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: of the things I did with the Western Rivers call 628 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: Jason is I I put a fifty volume reduction button 629 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: with one hit of the button. Um I found with 630 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: some of the other calls I was using. If I 631 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: had an animal trying to close a distance and and 632 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people play the volume way too loud. 633 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,959 Speaker 1: That's another bad mistake a lot of people make. They 634 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: don't realize how far animals can hear. But I still 635 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: wanted to turn the volume down a little bit fast, 636 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: and I found I was hitting that volume button down, down, down, 637 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: down down trying to do it. So I put a 638 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: large button on the remote where, you know, no matter 639 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: what I'm playing, if I hit the button once, it 640 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: reduces a volume by f If I hit the button again, 641 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: it reduces it again by So if I have something 642 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: out there that's holding up, you know, man, I can 643 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: drop the volume, you know what I mean, and and 644 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: and start to bring them in because realistically, when you've 645 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: got something dying, it doesn't stay the same volume. It 646 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: fluctuates high well, and it trails out, you know what 647 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: it's you know, and all the coyotes, Yeah, you know 648 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: how that is. It's just it's those little bitty things 649 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: to me that make a huge difference. And you know, 650 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: I grew up watching the Wayne Carlton videos you calling bears, 651 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 1: And you know one thing that is always you know 652 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: about bears is they can lose interest really quick. You know, 653 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: during that calling, you might get him to commit, but 654 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: somewhere along the way, you know they're chasing a squirrel 655 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: or they're you know, they're just like they they lose interest. 656 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: You know what, do you have any tips or techniques, 657 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: especially if you can't see the bear? I know you 658 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: you prefer to see him, but if you can't, like 659 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: are your guys as are your sounds on the western rivers? 660 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: Or when you running a mouth call, like, are you 661 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: like try to limit the gaps or how do you 662 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: do that to make sure that you don't kind of 663 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: lose that bears interest along the way. Since the places 664 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: I hunt you can't use an electron and call for bears, 665 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: all my bear calling has been done with a mouth 666 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: call um And to try and keep a bear interested, 667 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: one you know, again, to go back to it. When 668 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: I can see the bear, I'm gauging the bears reaction. 669 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: Do I need to if he starts to lose interest, 670 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, or starts to turn off, or you know, 671 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: you can see he smells something that's gonna go over 672 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: there for a minute, I'm gonna change my volume. I'm 673 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: gonna start kicking more brush. I'm gonna do something to 674 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: make it go. Wait, something just changed over there. So 675 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm constantly trying to do those little things 676 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: to keep them, um, you know, from from losing interest, 677 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: like you said, because they do get distracted. The other 678 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: thing is when I'm calling bears, I don't stop calling. 679 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: I call NonStop. A lot of times guys calling coyotes 680 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: or use the mouth call and I used to do 681 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: it too, but just because I needed to take a breath, 682 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: or my lips or my cheeks are sore, you know, 683 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: you'd call for a minute, take a break, call from minute, 684 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: take a break. With bears, I call NonStop. I do 685 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: not stop calling. And again, because like you say, I 686 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: think bears are a lot like I am. You know, squirrel, 687 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, go over here, you know, and to totally 688 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: totally just get off track, So I try to not 689 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: give them that break. Once I get them reacting at all, 690 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: I try and keep pouring it on so they'll keep reacting. Um. 691 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: And then that calling non stop brings up the question 692 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: how long are you calling on a on a normal 693 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: bear set um? You know, I guess if you can 694 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: see him, that changes the game because you're you know, 695 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: he's still interested, or you can still keep going. But 696 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: say it's you know, non visible bear or somewhat cold 697 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: set up, like how long are you calling? How long 698 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: are you waiting before you change spots? Yeah, if I'm 699 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: blind calling, I'll just call five minutes there as long 700 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: as you know, tell my lips and you know my 701 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: cheeks were out, you know what I mean. And I'll 702 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: fluctuate from low too high. And blind calling is a 703 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: little more difficult for me because when I can see 704 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: the bear, I'm more excited. I can I can go longer, 705 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: kind of like if you're competing with your buddy doing 706 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: push ups, you can do more because you're watching him, 707 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, I'm gonna get more. That's the 708 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: same way to me if I'm watching a bear and 709 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: he's reacting to the camp man you know, all of 710 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: a sudden, I've got a little more energy, i can 711 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: get some more lung power. I'm gonna ignore my my 712 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: lips that are starting to get a little number, my 713 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: cheeks that are starting to get a little sore, and 714 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep going. Um Whereas if I'm blind calling, 715 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: I even start to lose interest. You know, it's like, Okay, 716 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: you know I've been calling for a few minutes here 717 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: and now doesn't show enough. You know, I'm gonna knock 718 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: it off. So you know, as opposed to if I 719 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: was running electronic call, if it was legal where I'm at, 720 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: I would play probably a lot longer, you know, fifteen 721 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: to twenty minutes something like that. But you know, when 722 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm when i'm calling, I go as much as I 723 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: can until until I lose interesting, go time to move. 724 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: You've kind of alluded to this next question a little 725 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: bit earlier on Based on the size of the bearer 726 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 1: you want to call in, but you change your calls, um, 727 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: like through spring if you're in an area that has 728 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: a spring season, like will you start with you know, 729 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: falls and cows as they drop or are you always 730 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 1: gonna stay? You know, are you gonna stay away from 731 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: rabbit since you don't want to call in the small bears, 732 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: even though it will work on bigger ones, like what's 733 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: your approach um based on time of the year. And 734 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: then also, um, you know the bear that you're targeting 735 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: or that you'd like to come into your calls, like 736 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: what calls are your go to and how do you 737 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: kind of think about that? Right, and I'll switch it up, 738 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, like you said, you know, if it's spraying 739 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: and there's you know, animals on the ground, um a 740 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: lot of times or you know, it works in the 741 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: fall to all bears are used to eating baby dear baby, elk, 742 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: baby moose, depending on where they're at. So you know, 743 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll go to the diaphragm, or 744 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: I'll go to a predator call that I can make 745 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: it a little bit more even tone instead of fluctuated 746 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: so much to make it sound like you know, a 747 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: dying moose, calf or falling or something like that. But 748 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: I have a lot of luck with that. But I 749 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: found you know, big bears will react to the small 750 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, small stuff as well. So again I prefer 751 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: to spot them and look at them and then call 752 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: to him and you know, sometimes I'll totally change it. 753 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: If I'm giving them a you know, just allowed you know, 754 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: predator call that's basically an improvised rabbit. You know, I'm 755 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: just it's a squall and I'm I'm doing it. They're 756 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: not reacting. Well, I may switch it up real quick 757 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: and go to a diaphragm and you know, or try 758 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: and make it sound more like a fawn and see 759 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: if that all of a sudden makes him go, oh, 760 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,239 Speaker 1: this sounds good, or vice versa. Sometimes I'll start out 761 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: with a bear. You know, I may see a big 762 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: bear and go, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna start calling 763 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: that one and try and make it react, uh, you know, 764 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: to a moose or you know, a calf sound, and 765 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: and see how it does. And if it doesn't, then 766 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: I'll switch it up to it just a long squalling, 767 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: just noisemaker. It sounds like something dying. Um. And again 768 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of that depends too. You know, I've been 769 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: up in the Yukon calling grizzlies, and you know that's 770 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: a that's a little scary proposition to it's fun. But again, 771 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: I try to look to where I can I can 772 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: see a little bit and have a little bit of 773 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: distance or or whether I'm calling in wolves or you know, 774 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Um you know, and I've only called 775 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: two wolves into the call, but you know, still exciting. 776 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: I've I've probably called it more than that that I 777 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: didn't see, but I've called to in that I actually 778 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: shot on videos, so those were kind of neat. But 779 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, when it's a grizzly and things like that, 780 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: anything that that bear is gonna react to, whether it's 781 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: a you know, fawn or you know almost and I 782 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: say moose, but you know, like a half of anything, 783 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: a fallen a you know, a calf that sounds right, 784 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: and it's reacting, and I'm just gonna keep hitting on that. 785 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: If it's not reacting and I can see it, I'm 786 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna go through. I'm gonna throw everything at it but 787 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: the kitchen sink and see if I can hit the 788 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: right sound that causes it to react. And the other 789 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: thing with this very similar Sorry go ahead, no, I 790 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: was gonna say, very similar to ELK calling. You know, 791 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: everybody thinks we have like this perfect cookie cutter, like 792 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna do this and this, and it's 793 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: like it's really you know, I relate it back to 794 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: bass fishing. You know, you show up to the bass 795 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: spot and you're gonna throw a plug, You're gonna throw 796 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: a buzz bait, You're gonna you know, throw a jig, 797 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: and just try to figure out, like what's catching fish 798 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: in this area. You know, the same thing for Elk, 799 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: same thing it sounds like for for Barry. You're just 800 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: gonna throw everything at him and see, like, all right, 801 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: what gets him to turn my way and commit? And 802 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: then if I give him a little bit more, you know, 803 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: is he going to continue on or is he gonna 804 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: lose interest? Then you know, try to find the next 805 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: thing that's working right and and and it's funny because 806 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: just like that was a great analogy with the bass fishing, 807 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: and I think I mentioned other the bears are just 808 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: so across the board with their personality least if you 809 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: will or you know their dominance or you know whether 810 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: the dominant or subordinate um. You know, I've I've run 811 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 1: bears off that I thought this is a done deal. 812 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: You know, Sometimes when I close a distance too close, 813 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: you know, if I see a bear at three hundred yards, 814 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: for example, I may trying close to you know, a 815 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards, you know, before trying to call it, 816 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: or a hundred yards and then trying to call it. 817 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: So but I've got I've got video of slipping up 818 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: or I thought, man, look at this giant bear. He's 819 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: gonna come running in. And I know he probably has 820 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: never heard a call. But for some reason I did something, 821 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: or I was too aggressive, or it just wasn't worth 822 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: a fight to him that day, whatever, but you know 823 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: where they just went. Now I'm out of here and 824 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: took off. So you know, to your point, you're you're 825 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: playing around. But that's what's fun about it. You're you're 826 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 1: you're you're playing different things. But what works with one bear, 827 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: or what scenario works with one, or what sound works 828 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: with one may not work at all, uh for the 829 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: next one. But I I do want to say again 830 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: that people have to be very cognizant because I have 831 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: had um some so I won't say negative because they're 832 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: all exciting, uh, but some reactions from stals with cubs 833 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: where they will they'll get pretty aggressive and I don't 834 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: know if they think it's one of their cubs. Um 835 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's getting hurt or there or it's 836 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: a like a protective measure. Um, but I've had him 837 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: coming pretty hard to that, um you know as well. 838 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: And and again, like I said, I'm I'm not scared 839 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: of my mess with him all the time. I slap 840 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: them on the butt when they come into the dumpster. 841 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: You know, my my wife was with me one time. 842 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: We were cal calling elk and you and me were 843 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: talking about that's where you've had a lot of your encounters, 844 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: is you know, your cal calling and that tells you 845 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: how many how many elk? You know, bears eat. But 846 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: we had a black bear literally stalking us, and uh, 847 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: you know my office like, what what are we gonna do? 848 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna try and treat him. So 849 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: I let him get really close, and you know, stupid, 850 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: but you know I took off running and barking like 851 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: a dog at him as quick as I could. And 852 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: because I was so close to him, it startled him 853 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: and he jumped up a tree, and you know, I 854 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: thought it was awesome, and she's you're just not quite 855 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: all there, are you. So yeah, that was the other 856 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: That's my other main encounter with black bears is them 857 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: trying to get like meat out of the back of 858 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: the truck or messing with we've you're running the bear 859 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: up a tree story like, you know, trying to yank 860 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: one of my um capes out of you know, just 861 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: finish up an ltcout. We're just gonna keep the meat 862 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: in the back of the truck for for one night, 863 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: you know what, until we can get off the mountain. 864 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: And you know, it's either yanking the meat out of 865 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: the truck, yanking the heads and hides and capes, and 866 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: they're just, yeah, I'm not as I'm not as uh 867 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: courageous around bears though. I just I feel like, you know, 868 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: for the most part, they are going to run. But 869 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: if they decided to turn or decided to to to 870 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: stand their ground, like I'm probably gonna lose that one 871 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: real quickly. I've had a couple of a couple of 872 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: pucker me up a little bit. Yep yep. So you 873 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: just mentioned, you know, calling grizz or calling in you know, 874 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: in grizzly country, do you do anything different? You know, 875 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, you can't hunt grizzly 876 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: in the in the lower forty eight um, you know 877 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: where we do a lot of this black beard calling. Um, 878 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: if you're calling in grizzly Country. Is there anything you 879 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: would do differently or you know, like you say, it 880 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: can be a little bit different of an experience. So 881 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: you're still trying to call black bearn in grizzly Country, 882 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: Like what are you changing from your normal setup? And 883 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: and how do you kind of just add a couple 884 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: extra layers of safety to the to the set up. 885 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I'm gonna tell you the same thing 886 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: like I've done on Kodiak Island when you know what 887 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've called for brown bears they're trying 888 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: to get a you know, get a reaction. Or even 889 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: when I was calling Fox, you know, I had a 890 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: captain of a boat look at me and go, you're 891 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: not spenn You're gonna be out there on you know, 892 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: on that island. You're you're calling red Fox in, but 893 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: a brown bear may come running down your neck, you know. 894 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, it's a little bigger pucker factor. 895 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,919 Speaker 1: But I totally set up differently just for the safety factor. 896 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: You know a lot of times I'll either have a 897 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: cameraman or you know, somebody else with me, and you know, 898 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking where can I see everywhere? When you know, 899 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: where can something not slip up on me to where 900 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: they literally flipped the tables on me, and and and 901 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: they've got the advantage. So you know, I'll set up 902 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,959 Speaker 1: places where I can see. Then what's my next step? 903 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: You know almost you know, literally I'll strategize what's what's 904 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: my step if something goes south? In other words, um, 905 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: souath cubs comes running in and I can't stop her, 906 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: you know by yelling and shut my mouth. You know, 907 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: at what point, where's my safety zone? Where do I 908 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, where am I going to shoot around off 909 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: in front of her to try and scare or just 910 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: shoot around off you know where? Where's my where's my move? 911 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: After that? So yeah, I do totally change it up. 912 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: Bear spray is another great, you know, great idea. I 913 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 1: still prefer a weapon, but bear spray is another great idea. Um. 914 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, when you're calling in areas where where the 915 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: bears are a little bigger and a little more serious. Um, 916 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: same thing though with the with the black bears, you 917 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: gotta be cognizanto that as well. I try and set 918 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: up where I've got a little bit of room, um 919 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,959 Speaker 1: to react to him. My buddy's got room to react 920 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: to or my client has room to react. Um. Not 921 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: like the story of the musleader guy that freaked out 922 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: and just cranked off around because he was scared of death. 923 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: It would have been so neat. But um, that's one 924 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: of the ones that just still I was like, man, 925 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's just such a neat one running off 926 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: the hill and charge it all the way in. But um, 927 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, that that's a great question. And yeah, just 928 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: for the safe the aspect of that, it's really a 929 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: good idea for guys to have, you know, a backup. 930 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: What's my plan? You know, it's my handgun here next 931 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: to me? Um, you know where's my rifle? Do I 932 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: have bear spray? Um? And and what's my I try 933 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: to predetermine a distance um that you know, all right, 934 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable if it's us out with cubs before 935 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,959 Speaker 1: it gets so close that I'm gonna force that sout, 936 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: you know, make her she's gonna have to come at me. 937 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 1: You know, I want to try and get her turned 938 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: around at a safe distance where she has tons of 939 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,439 Speaker 1: time to realize, oh, hey, this isn't what I thought 940 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: it was. And you know, I want to get out 941 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: of here. So you know, I try and set that 942 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: because I've seen firsthand, you know, uh, you know, I've 943 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: been charged by leopards, I've been charged by you know, 944 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: grizzlly bears. I've been charged by black bears. So I've 945 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: I've seen how quick they can come, how quickly things 946 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,720 Speaker 1: can go south. So I try and have that buffer. 947 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: Another great safety tip is to always put your camera 948 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: in the cameraman in the direction you expect those grizzlies 949 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: to come from, and make sure they're portly. Yeah, you 950 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: want to definitely have a you know what I mean, 951 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: a heavy set, you know cameraman. I could not agree more. 952 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: Is it is there anything Fred that you feel is 953 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: vital or extremely important to calling bears? We haven't touched on, 954 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: like you know, set up um, like what you're looking 955 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: for in your setup. You'd already mentioned you you'd like 956 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: to be able to see um, you know, and see 957 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: their approach and use that distance of the electronic call, 958 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: which you know sometimes you can or can't use. Is 959 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: there anything else you know if you're going out um 960 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: black bear calling UM that that you think is important 961 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: to the success, you know, the experience, uh, the wind, 962 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 1: of course, you know, I didn't really you know, talk 963 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: about the wind, of course, but you know wind is 964 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: wind is huge because bears can't see great. I play 965 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: shadows um whenever I can. You know, I'd much rather 966 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: have you know, the sun to my back, um when 967 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: I you know, when I can um. I also tell 968 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: guys not to get disappointed. In other words, you know, 969 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: when you're blind calling. Like I said, I like to 970 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: think I have a little experience and and calling all 971 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: kinds of different predators and you know, been with what 972 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: I know and and reading sign and if I'm in 973 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: a great area, one out of twenty, you know, that's 974 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: not that great. A lot of people get disappointed really quick. 975 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: So I tell people, man, if you want to do it, 976 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: look at it as a challenge and and and keep going. 977 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: It will work. You'll find the right bear, You'll you'll 978 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 1: hit the right call. Just go ing till it works, 979 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: because once it works, just like l calling or anything else, 980 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna be hopelessly addicted, and you're gonna be, you know, 981 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: looking for that next bear that just comes running in 982 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: and and reacts to you. And it's so exciting because 983 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 1: it's different. You know, the mountain lion I called in 984 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: the other day. That was awesome. You know, it's just 985 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: neat to call in you know different apex predators. Uh, 986 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: wind is super important. A lot of guys don't think 987 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: of where they walked in. You alluded to that earlier. Um. 988 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: You know, same with you know a lot of species. 989 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: UM guys think, oh, if I just walk through here, 990 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 1: it's okay. But you know, I walk where the animals 991 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: knocking across where I walk. When it's coming into a 992 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: call um for black bears or grass these or or 993 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: anything else. I try and have a natural obstacle when 994 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: I can. Uh, if I've got a creek or river, um, 995 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: you know something that I can put big, a big 996 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: boulder on my back, you know what I mean, or 997 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: back up against it. Something where something can't come behind 998 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 1: me super quick, or if it's circling around or coming 999 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: in from behind me where I don't expect it, I 1000 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: can hear it coming across you know what I mean, 1001 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: water or coming through leaves. So I probably spend way 1002 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: more time picking the right set up then I do 1003 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: actually calling anything, whether that's a coyote, a bobcat, you 1004 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, you know, a bear. I'm spending 1005 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: as much time going you know, where do I need 1006 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: to be? What's the best position? Where's the sun? Where 1007 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: can I be in the shade? Um? What can I 1008 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: do defensively if I need to? Um? You know, so 1009 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: I spend honestly, for sure, every single set up. I 1010 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: spend more time picking the right place to set up 1011 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: than I do actually calling that makes a lot of sense. 1012 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: So I gotta ask you a couple of questions that 1013 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, probably debatable, but I want your opinion on it. Eyesight, 1014 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, if you're in the shade. You know, everybody 1015 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: knows that bears can't see great and you're opinion like 1016 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,360 Speaker 1: if you're out in the open versus in the shade, 1017 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: Like when can a bear finally see you? You know, 1018 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,000 Speaker 1: you see a lot of people approach, you know if 1019 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: they're on the shore. Um. You know, people will drop 1020 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: off the boat a couple hundred yards away and they 1021 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: what seems to me as a deer and an elk hunter. Um, 1022 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: it's like, man, it's gonna pick you off anytime, But 1023 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: like what what distance do you feel? Like? All right, 1024 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: a bear is gonna see you and you're gonna spook it. 1025 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: So I think bears are a lot like us this 1026 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: is just my opinion. Um. You know, people always say, oh, 1027 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: they're blind, they're you know, they can't see very well. 1028 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: I think bears see about as good as people do. Um. 1029 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: So I look at it like a person, and I 1030 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: can hide from a person really easy. You know, you 1031 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: can get in there and you know, brushing and people 1032 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: spot movement more than they spot anything else, but if 1033 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: it's tucked back in the brush, so you know, and 1034 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: I related to hogs, um, you know. You know everybody say, oh, 1035 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,760 Speaker 1: hogs are blind. You go to an area in Texas 1036 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: that's been hunted hard by hogs, and you watch how 1037 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: quick a hog will pick you up when you slip 1038 00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: out into an open sindarow or down the road, that 1039 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: thing will look up see you just see that movement 1040 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 1: and it's out of there. So you know, I like 1041 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,439 Speaker 1: to think that that that bears can see a little 1042 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: better than a lot of people give them credit for 1043 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: just some things I've seen. So, like I said, I 1044 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't totally disservice them by by by saying I 1045 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: think they're blind. Um, I just assume they could see 1046 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: like me. And I'm doing everything I can to try 1047 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: and hide and and you know, again, that can be 1048 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: full cameo, that can be just not only camo, but 1049 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,800 Speaker 1: taking advantage of the shadows getting back in the bushes. 1050 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, if it's bright out and you're looking into 1051 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: the bushes, you know, how often are you kind of 1052 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: squinting or you're looking It's like, what is that? Did 1053 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,880 Speaker 1: I see something? Since the bears coming into you know, uh, 1054 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: something dying. I don't mind them seeing some movement. I 1055 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: really I think it's great. You know, that's natural. I 1056 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: don't mind them hearing brush going, So I don't mind 1057 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: them seeing some movement. I just don't want them to 1058 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: silhouette me. You know, I don't want like, you know, 1059 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: the background of my window here, you know, at my house. 1060 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't want them to to to catch me, you know, 1061 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: moving in an open silhouette situation, and like this, I'd 1062 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: rather have it to where they can see something in 1063 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: the brush, like, oh, something may be flipping around on 1064 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: the ground there, you know, there's something something is getting 1065 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 1: eating over there. Um. But yeah, I I assume that 1066 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: they can see about like people, because I've just seen 1067 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: too many circumstances where you know, but bears just aren't scared. 1068 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: They're not you know. Again, it's a difference between you know, 1069 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: a carnivore and and and you know, even though bears 1070 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: are omnivores and they eat everything, you know, and a 1071 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 1: prey species, so a predator verse I guess I should 1072 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: say a predator species versus a you know, a prey species. 1073 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 1: When you're a deer or other animals, you're spooked out 1074 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: all the time. And the majority of the states with 1075 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: black bears, they're kind of right up there. There's not 1076 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: something that's gonna steak up and jump on the back 1077 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: of a black bear very often. So they're just not nervous. 1078 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people take that as a 1079 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: man they can't really see or they're not really paying attention. Yeah, 1080 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: I think they're just walking around like, what's gonna mess 1081 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: with me unless it's another bear? Yeah, yep, just my 1082 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,960 Speaker 1: very similar No. No, that that makes a ton of sense. Um. 1083 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: And so we're gonna go on to smell just a 1084 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,800 Speaker 1: little bit in your opinion on that. Um. You know, 1085 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: Clay Newcom and and Ronella we're hunting on one episode 1086 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 1: and they're convinced at the bear winded him like eight yards, um, 1087 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: you know, and now they say, you know, it was. 1088 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 1: It was six or seven of the guys, you know, 1089 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: camera guys, producers, everything that's that's on a set. But 1090 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: in your opinion, if you had to make a loop 1091 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: around a bear and the bear was down wind of you, like, 1092 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: what would be your like safety distance that? Like I 1093 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: I can move it four yards, five yards, but you 1094 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: have to go a thousand yards? Like how how far away? 1095 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, let's say five mile hour cross one. Let's 1096 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,800 Speaker 1: let's put some parameters on it. You know, fairly steady. 1097 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: You're not dealing with mountain thermals. But where would a 1098 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,560 Speaker 1: bear be able to pick you up? You know, scent wise? Man, 1099 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,279 Speaker 1: I gotta go with you know, with Kate, with with 1100 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, Clay and Ronella on this one. It's ridiculously 1101 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: long waves. I mean half a mile, you know, three 1102 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,800 Speaker 1: quarters of a mile. Um, and I'd still hope that 1103 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: the thermals were bringing it over them. Um. You know, 1104 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: bears could smell a route, um. You know, they could 1105 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: smell a carcass from a ridiculous long ways away. They 1106 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: can figure out which acorns are dropping, wear and and 1107 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,399 Speaker 1: and head to them. You know, they can smell where 1108 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,080 Speaker 1: a salve walked days before and pick up that scent 1109 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: and trail it up. So you know, there their ability 1110 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,480 Speaker 1: to smell danger or smell a person um is exceptional. 1111 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: And I would put it, you know, you know, on 1112 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,879 Speaker 1: par if not even better to you know, a deer 1113 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,840 Speaker 1: or anything else there. Uh, it's amazing to watch what 1114 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: a bear can can smell. And like I said, even 1115 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: the roots and and things they go after and digging 1116 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: them up in the ground. Um, they've got an excellent 1117 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, an excellent sense of smell. And yeah, it 1118 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,320 Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me at all. Uh, you know, eight yards no, 1119 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: especially if that wind was going right at the bear, 1120 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: no problem at all they didn't have if they didn't 1121 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: get lucky and get thermals, you know, carrying the wind 1122 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: up over him or or past him somehow. Yeah, i'd uh, 1123 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: I'd say that wouldn't surprise me a bit. So you know, 1124 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 1: as far as I can, as far as I can circle, 1125 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I just gamble and go, man, I 1126 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: hope this half mile or took cord of mile circle 1127 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: is enough. Um. But you know, as far as as 1128 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,400 Speaker 1: far as I can or am willing to and and 1129 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: and hope for the best. That makes makes a ton 1130 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: of sense. Like I say, my some of my latest 1131 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: bear encounters have been them trying to get stuff out 1132 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:12,880 Speaker 1: of the back of my truck on a hunt. And 1133 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: it's like you know where they yeah, yeah, or did they? 1134 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: They'd be pulled this thing in from a mile or two, 1135 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 1: you know, just then being able to smell the meat 1136 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: and and whatnot. So yeah, I I they got a great, 1137 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,800 Speaker 1: great sense of smell. And as you alluded to, like 1138 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 1: whatever you think is far enough, go farther or make 1139 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: sure you go you know, down wind to the bear 1140 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: and not risk it at all. It is amazing the 1141 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: difference in bear z and you just brought that up. 1142 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you'll have one bear that will 1143 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: run from you know, human scent from you know, half 1144 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: a mile, three course a mile just because of the 1145 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,800 Speaker 1: experiences that bears have with people maybe or you know, 1146 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: whatever that is. And then the next bear will come 1147 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: towards you, like you know, even a black bear, like 1148 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go check that out. You know what, what 1149 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: what's that smell? Or you know, I wonder if they 1150 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: have something to eat, you know, or you know, there's 1151 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: a guy in town here in Trinidad that's a you know, 1152 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: that's a rapper and been around you know, this country 1153 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,479 Speaker 1: and bears his whole life. And he was literally walking 1154 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: through the woods and he said he looked up, saw 1155 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: a bear a few a few hundred yards away, and 1156 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,320 Speaker 1: look back and the bear was just charging him no reason. 1157 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't messing with the bear, it wasn't 1158 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 1: a stade with cubs. And he was like, Fred, it 1159 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 1: was the craziest thing I've ever seen, Like it charged me. 1160 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: And you know, I've had guides get charged and things 1161 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,720 Speaker 1: like that, mostly salds with cubs, you know, and bluff 1162 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,399 Speaker 1: charges or they come right up to them. But yeah, 1163 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,480 Speaker 1: it's it's bizarre how one bear will react one way 1164 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: um and another one lot react totally differently based on 1165 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: their experiences or their fear, or their age or their dominance, 1166 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm sure you've seen that with with bates. 1167 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,360 Speaker 1: I've seen that when I was painting bears. You know, 1168 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: you could walk into a bait and you know, one 1169 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: bear just take off, scare to death as soon as 1170 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: he saw you or you know, heard you or smell you, 1171 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: and the next one it won't leave. It's like, Nope, 1172 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: this is mine. I'm gonna protect it. And it's been 1173 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: the same with carcasses I've had, you know, I've had 1174 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: bears not leave el carcasses or deer carcass you know, 1175 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,839 Speaker 1: whereas other ones they just see it through the trees 1176 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: and they take off next bears like, no, this is 1177 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,719 Speaker 1: my carcass and you need to go so kind of neat. 1178 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,680 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give my my one tip at least 1179 00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: for what I've learned through bear hunting. Then we're gonna 1180 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,839 Speaker 1: ask you for your your one tip. You know, you're 1181 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 1: you're something that could change the change the outcome for 1182 00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: somebody has maybe not been successful. And for me, a 1183 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: lot of it comes back to um, you know, and 1184 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,919 Speaker 1: it won't necessarily be a barret calling, but it's more 1185 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: UM being patient. Like I don't have a whole lot 1186 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 1: of patients. I'm the most you know, most aggressive elk caller. Um. 1187 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: If if something doesn't happen, I'm gonna move and make 1188 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: it work. But for me, like bear hunting, I just 1189 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: had to become a little more patient. It just I 1190 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be successful. You know, whether it's it's 1191 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: glass ng spotting, stocking, even calling, you know, it's a 1192 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,359 Speaker 1: lot of our kyote sets um. You know, we would 1193 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,799 Speaker 1: have a kyote five ten minutes of turning the call 1194 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: and they'd be there. But Barrett, it's like, all right, 1195 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: we need twenty thirty forty you know, and then maybe 1196 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: wait a little bit longer. Um. And so for me, 1197 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,600 Speaker 1: it was just learning patients, spending more time behind the 1198 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: glass um, you know, and then looking at layers. You 1199 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: know a lot of people when I look for deer 1200 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 1: and elk, it's like I'm looking for something you know, 1201 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: very very obvious, very and then I can spend more 1202 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,399 Speaker 1: time looking in different areas where bear if they if 1203 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: you're not able to see them. And some people say, 1204 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, you should just keep moving until you find bear, 1205 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: but um, we're looking at the second or third layer 1206 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: deep because a lot of times it was bear, at 1207 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,719 Speaker 1: least around my area. They get hung up on a 1208 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,840 Speaker 1: food source and they might not leave it for thirty minutes. 1209 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,680 Speaker 1: And if you don't, you know, that could be your 1210 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: whole glassing session. If you can't find that bear, you know, 1211 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, pulling down a huckleberry bush or whatever it is, 1212 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: you're just not going to be very successful. Um. So 1213 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,000 Speaker 1: my my one tip would be, you know, be a 1214 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: little more patient, stay a little bit longer, glass a 1215 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,640 Speaker 1: little bit longer, call a little bit longer, and you're 1216 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: gonna find a little more success black bear hunting. But 1217 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 1: what would your your one tip be, Fred? Then, you know, 1218 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,800 Speaker 1: for the one tip again, like you, I kind of 1219 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 1: mirror the whole. Don't get disappointed. You know it doesn't 1220 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 1: happen every time. Um, I'd like to increase my odds. 1221 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, my probably favorite time is in the fall 1222 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 1: because bears are feeding, you know before they go into hibernation, 1223 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 1: you know, twenty hours a day, So the bears are 1224 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,320 Speaker 1: out more. Um, they're covering more country. They're trying to 1225 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: really load up on on food before they go to 1226 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 1: the you know, hibernation, so they'll be eating a lot more. 1227 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 1: Now they may stay closer to where they're gonna again, 1228 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 1: but they're gonna be out a lot more. So I 1229 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,320 Speaker 1: tell guys, man, yea, the falls a great time. But 1230 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: don't get discouraged. Just keep going and learn to read 1231 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: sign so you increase your odds of spotting that bear 1232 00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: to try and call it or blind call and have 1233 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 1: one come in. Well, thank you very much, Fred for 1234 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,239 Speaker 1: all of your bear calling experience. Um, you know your 1235 00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,279 Speaker 1: tips and tactics. We really appreciate having you on here. 1236 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: And Fred, let all the listeners know how they can 1237 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,120 Speaker 1: get a hold of you, where they can find you, 1238 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,839 Speaker 1: where they can follow you and see some of these, um, 1239 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: you know, bear calling videos and experiences. Well thanks, you 1240 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 1: don't I've got a YouTube page, Fred Aikler YouTube. They 1241 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: can go to Fred Eichler fan page. I've got an Instagram, 1242 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 1: Facebook and all that good stuff, and then go on 1243 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: there and see some of the things that we've actually 1244 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,759 Speaker 1: been talking about today. All right, everybody go check out Fred. Um, 1245 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 1: if you don't know who he is, I'm sure you do, 1246 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,880 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, uh wealth of knowledge on everything 1247 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: big game. But um, you know, he's got this predator 1248 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,799 Speaker 1: thing dialed. So we appreciate having him on the day. Well, 1249 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 1: thank you, Jason, it's great talking to you. I enjoyed it. 1250 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 1: And good luck calling and this fall as well. All right, 1251 00:55:31,160 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: take care, Fred M two