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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: Is no They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis codenamed

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Speaker 4: Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That makes

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Speaker 4: this the stuff they don't want you to know, As

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Speaker 4: is our practice at the top of the week, this

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Speaker 4: is our Strange News segment and let us tell you, folks,

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Speaker 4: fellow conspiracy realist, every one of these can be a

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Speaker 4: full episode. There are many things happening today. We are

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Speaker 4: going to tell talk about some existential dread. We are

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Speaker 4: going to talk about some insights, some revelations people may

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Speaker 4: experience when exploring psychedelics becoming psychoonauts. Before we do any

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Speaker 4: of that, we have to give a quick shout out

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Speaker 4: to our pal Jeremy Corbel and our pal George Knapp.

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Speaker 4: It turns out, guys, for people who follow ufology, there

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Speaker 4: was a little bit of news over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a whistleblower that has some spicy stuff.

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Speaker 2: So you know what we do on this show every

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Speaker 2: time something like that comes through is we evaluate not

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Speaker 2: those things, but we almost always send a text to Jeremy, right.

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Speaker 3: We often do.

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Speaker 1: We often do.

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Speaker 4: And let's let's give you the broad strokes here in

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Speaker 4: case you haven't heard this yet. Somehow, there is an

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Speaker 4: individual named David Charles Grusch. Grush's a guy who's a veteran.

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Speaker 4: He's got his bona fides. He was in Afghanistan where

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Speaker 4: he was he became a decorated combat officer. He's a

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Speaker 4: veteran of something called the NNGA, the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,

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Speaker 4: and very interesting, he is an alumnus of the NRO

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Speaker 4: National Reconnaissance Office. This guy came forward recently entered the

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Speaker 4: public sphere in a groundbreaking article by The Deep Brief.

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Speaker 4: Want to give a very special shout out to the

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Speaker 4: journalist involved, Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal. This published on

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Speaker 4: June fifth, twenty twenty three. We are recording this strange

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Speaker 4: news segment on June seventh, so just about forty eight

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Speaker 4: hours after.

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Speaker 5: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 4: He said, non human craft created things are real, and

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Speaker 4: that for some indeterminate amount of time, pieces of these

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Speaker 4: craft or entirely intact craft have been collected by branches

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Speaker 4: of Uncle Sam. Furthermore, he said Congress has no idea

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Speaker 4: kind of in the kind of hearing that you won't

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Speaker 4: hear about as a member of the public. He says

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Speaker 4: that further this has gone back for decades and the government,

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Speaker 4: its allies quote unquote cough cough, five eyes and defense

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Speaker 4: contractors have determined that the objects they have possession of

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Speaker 4: are quote of exaety origin non human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial

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Speaker 4: or unknown origin, based on the vehicle morphologies and material

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Speaker 4: science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, let's start there.

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Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot of things we've heard about

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Speaker 2: in the past, specifically from Bob Lazar. We looked at

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Speaker 2: his allegations that there was also I think it was

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess it also makes me think of Jeremy

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Speaker 6: Corbel's documentary concerning a subject that had an implan of

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Speaker 4: I believe, Well, that was a conversation we had with

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Speaker 4: Jeremy Corbel, Wildback and Matt. It's very interesting that you

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Speaker 4: bring up Lazar here because I believe the primary difference

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Speaker 4: hear this as Grush or Grush. We're going to go

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Speaker 4: The big thing is that this person is quite credible.

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Speaker 4: This person does have the experience that they are claimed

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Speaker 4: Have to remember this is a person from the NRO.

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Speaker 4: They have served with the NRO, which means that they

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Speaker 6: I mean, the idea of something being of non human origin.

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Speaker 6: It's not like the Bears put it there. I mean,

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Speaker 6: what's the implication there? You know, it's just an interesting,

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Speaker 2: Dude, Well, it makes me think about the NASIK statements.

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Speaker 2: we're not alone. This is it. This is the stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And this guy is supported by multiple other people

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Speaker 4: He was with the UAP Task Force. Again, Uncle Sam

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Speaker 4: he worked with Grush there. He says, this guy is

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Speaker 4: beyond reproach. So anybody who can support this guy in

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Speaker 4: what this guy's claiming is that he has knowledge of

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Speaker 4: He's not saying, hey let's go all fly to Mars,

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Speaker 4: What he's saying is Congress and the American public need

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Speaker 5: Why has the Western media.

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Speaker 4: Been in a jam tomorrow, jam yesterday, never ever jammed?

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Speaker 4: Dolphins, Matt, I know you love USO unidentified some merged objects, right,

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Speaker 4: So could it be terrestrial?

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Speaker 4: Could there have been a secret quote unquote machine intelligence

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Speaker 2: Exotic materials makes me think somehow elements that are different

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Speaker 2: what it feels like to me. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: who knows, I don't know. This whole thing weirds me out,

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Speaker 2: You guys, it feels like we're at a point in

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Speaker 2: history where we have artificial intelligence, like strong enough artificial

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Speaker 2: feels like we're at a point now where if we

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Speaker 2: We could literally do that. We could make it seem

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Speaker 6: Like moon landing style, only you know, actually face, I mean,

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Speaker 6: the technology has come a long way.

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Speaker 5: I get what you're saying, Well.

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Speaker 2: I guess what I'm saying is it freaks me out

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Speaker 2: hard time believing Grush even though he's got like you said, Ben,

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Speaker 2: he's got the bona fides right, he's been there, he's

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Speaker 2: him to want the American people to know it's just

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Speaker 2: I don't know. That freaks me out.

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Speaker 3: Me too, Matt.

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Speaker 4: I do want to point out that Grush has been

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Speaker 4: cleared for these statements by the Pentagon Uncle Sam Green

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Speaker 4: and he called it a competition with near peer adversaries

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Ben. There's a couple more quotes here

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Speaker 6: But I mean, like, so we're talking about elements that

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Speaker 2: Oh and Ben, they people have been talking to Nick

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Speaker 2: Pope a lot. Someone we've brought up on this show

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Speaker 2: Guardian article just reminding people, I've been looking at this

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Speaker 2: And we've returned and everyone we are going to I

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Speaker 2: So there's this stuff. It's called commercial real estate. You

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Speaker 2: Huge huge loans from banks to own the property and

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Speaker 2: I think it's two percent. I'm i y'all. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I think that's a phrase I used the beginning of

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Speaker 2: Because often we use the same banks, We use the

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Speaker 5: Sounds like you got something you're kind of trying to

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Speaker 4: Know, they get hawked up by Wells Fargo one hundred.

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Speaker 6: I'm a Wells Fargo customer because I was a walk

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Speaker 6: But so this is serious dominoes, right, I mean, like,

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Speaker 5: Do you mitigate it?

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Speaker 6: Isn't there anything that can be done by the Fed?

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Speaker 2: Often, the United States has kind of lent or leaned

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Speaker 5: Right, isn't that the term?

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Speaker 2: The problem is, for most of us, the way we're

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Speaker 2: larger property owners whose property values again that are currently

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Speaker 2: we don't have a good picture of if they continue

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Speaker 2: to decline, then ultimately you're paying huge amounts of interest

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Speaker 2: on these loans every month for property that is continuing

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Speaker 2: to be devalued like lower and lower and lower and lower.

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Speaker 2: So what are you doing besides throwing money away? And

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Speaker 2: that's not a good thing for again investors to see,

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Speaker 2: for anybody to see as a company, as a running company.

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Speaker 2: You want to make a change, So do you sell

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Speaker 2: your property? And if you do, how much of a

449
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Speaker 2: loss are you going to be taking on that sucker?

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Speaker 2: And what does that look like to people?

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Speaker 4: And what's it like if you're the person at the bottom,

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Speaker 4: you know who, like you've always you've always tried to pursue,

453
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Speaker 4: you know, the American dream or something like that. We're

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Speaker 4: talking about small business owners who may own a lease

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Speaker 4: and own a lease is funny, who may have a

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Speaker 4: lease in a small part of his strip mall right

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Speaker 4: with an anchor store that is ghosted. The people at

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Speaker 4: the bottom, of course, are the people get hurt the most.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Every time I actually heard something really interesting about dead malls,

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Speaker 6: I know that we're all pretty fascinated with like these

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Speaker 6: big box stores that sort of outlive their cultural relevance

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Speaker 6: in a lot of ways, and malls are just sort

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Speaker 6: of like the next level up.

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Speaker 5: Version of that.

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Speaker 6: And as we know, malls are not doing super hot,

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Speaker 6: but pickleball. You guys know what the pickleball craze.

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Speaker 5: A lot of.

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Speaker 6: Malls are being converted into pickleball stadiums or pickleball arenas. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's weird because it's like they've got all these massive

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Speaker 6: spaces that no one can afford to rent, and that

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Speaker 6: doesn't make sense for you know, businesses that aren't like

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Speaker 6: massive corporations who probably already have flagship stores, and it

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Speaker 6: seems like they're just malls are not really what they

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Speaker 6: once were, and so they're using them to have pickleball

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Speaker 6: tournaments and renting them to pickleball leagues.

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Speaker 2: The way we're going, guys, we need to turn them

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Speaker 2: into coliseums.

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pickleball to the death, clatorial combat. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh lord h I like that, Matt.

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Speaker 4: I'm very sad to report that. I believe you may

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Speaker 4: be onto something.

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Speaker 2: Like for real. Yeah, no, I agree, But I mean.

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Speaker 4: Think about think about all the places that have been

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Speaker 4: turned into uh, paintball like paintball experiences, you know, old trucks.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, Well, guys, I don't know what else to

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Speaker 2: say here. I'll leave you with the words that Katie

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Speaker 2: left us with in her article for Politico and it's

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Speaker 2: a statement from Senator John Tester, who is apparently a

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Speaker 2: Democrat from Montgomery, no Montana, one.

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Speaker 5: Of the mons Vermont.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps maybe oh a Democrat from Montreal, Monte. But he's

494
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Speaker 2: not feeling good about this whole like office space recovery

495
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Speaker 2: concept that maybe one day we'll all be back at

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Speaker 2: the office. This is what he says, quote, we are

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Speaker 2: where we are, and it's going to be this way forever.

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Speaker 2: I think the logical like as in but as in

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Speaker 2: and it's.

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Speaker 5: Intense the theory is saying that with I love it.

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Speaker 2: But basically, we figured out how remote work works. We're

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Speaker 2: not going back. It's not going to be offices the

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Speaker 2: way we thought anymore. This is not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's saying. This is his opinion, And he says,

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Speaker 2: I think the logical solution is to develop policies that

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Speaker 2: would help convert commercial to housing apartments whatever it might be.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, please, yeah, I mean I mean to to

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Speaker 6: what I was asking earlier, mat But like you know,

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Speaker 6: aren't there smart people that can see this wave coming

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Speaker 6: from far enough away to do something about it? Well,

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Speaker 6: when we do do something that happens, why can't it

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Speaker 6: be something that's actually good for lots of people as

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Speaker 6: opposed to just like a bailout.

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Speaker 5: Or another you know what, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: It's just I don't hold out much hope that that's

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Speaker 6: going to be top of the priority list.

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Speaker 2: But I like that idea a lot. The solution that

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Speaker 2: I've seen literally is bailout basically shore up the banks

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Speaker 2: before the wave hits, so that the banks have you know,

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Speaker 2: ten to thirty extra billion dollars hanging out so that

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Speaker 2: they can actually like cover what they need to cover.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Question question Matt, how how often should banks be bailed out?

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Speaker 6: Just all day, every day whatever needed, you know, whenever

525
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Speaker 6: they have an oopsie, you know, just.

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Speaker 4: So maybe we start maybe we start a stuff theyn't

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Speaker 4: want you to know bank that would be pretty great, right.

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Speaker 6: Already got the currency stockpiled right, the ben bucks that's

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Speaker 6: we've we've been holding, we've been We've got caches of

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Speaker 6: that stuff.

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Speaker 5: I'm right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, hey guys, there's a quote in this. Then I

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Speaker 2: want to see if we can understan it because I

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Speaker 2: kind of don't understand it right now. And this is

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Speaker 2: a quote from someone who named van Nuerberg van Euerberg, says,

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Speaker 2: he's referring to the loans, these commercial loans that are

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Speaker 2: given out to somebody that owns property. Right, And he says,

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Speaker 2: the way these loans are structured, you're mostly paying interest,

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Speaker 2: not principle, so you have to roll over most of

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Speaker 2: the loan.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that how home mortgages work too.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you're paying off the interest exclusively for the

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Speaker 6: first like handful of years, but there are laws around it.

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Speaker 5: You have to be paying something towards the principle. Like there.

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Speaker 6: It was explained to me at some juncture, but I

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Speaker 6: don't remember, but I don't roll over most.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's when refinancing or something I see, I said that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I guess I just don't under I don't understand fully.

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Speaker 2: When they're saying these loans are due that one point

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Speaker 2: five trillion dollars we mentioned, it feels like that's the

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Speaker 2: time when you would refinance that and like get get

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Speaker 2: a new deal on your crazy amount of money that

553
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Speaker 2: you owe. But now he's saying, the bank will say no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: The interest rate is now six percent instead of three percent,

555
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Speaker 2: which means and this is the part I don't get,

556
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Speaker 2: which means your building is now worth forty percent lower.

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Speaker 4: M hmm, yeah, Oh my my old loan has been

558
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Speaker 4: so tough on me. Don't worry. We'll kick your financial

559
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Speaker 4: can down the road. It's just going to be a

560
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Speaker 4: bigger can with more rocks in it when it finally

561
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Speaker 4: comes due, and you know what, a few years from now,

562
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Speaker 4: we can kick it further away.

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Speaker 6: I probably got some scorpions in there too. Man, this

564
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Speaker 6: is just scary stuff. I mean, on one hand, it

565
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Speaker 6: feels like dry. We're talking about finance and you know,

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Speaker 6: mortgages and loans, but this stuff is massively important to

567
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Speaker 6: all of us. And I mean we're you're right man,

568
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Speaker 6: that there's a shoe gonna drop, and it's probably gonna

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Speaker 6: be the other one.

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Speaker 2: Assumption thing's come in. I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 2: but it is gonna be what What a song?

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Speaker 5: What a musical?

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Speaker 2: All right? Well, that's that's it for this. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: keep our eyes on it, but we'll be right back

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Speaker 2: with more strange news.

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Speaker 6: And we have returned with one more piece of strange news.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, look at the article that I have in

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Speaker 6: front of me, and it's about mals turning into pickleball

579
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Speaker 6: arenas I'm like, that's not the news story I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 5: I could though, it's actually pretty.

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Speaker 6: Interesting, but I think we mainly covered that in the

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Speaker 6: last segment.

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Speaker 5: You now we're talking about taking drugs.

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Speaker 6: Don't do drugs kids, and you know, looking at trippy videos.

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Speaker 6: Don't you can do that. You can look at look

586
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Speaker 6: at the trippy videos. It's it's enough, don't need the

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Speaker 6: actual drugs to enjoy it. But there's an organization called

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Speaker 6: psy Crypto that thinks you do, or really it's not.

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Speaker 5: That's not the organization.

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Speaker 6: The organization is the Quality of Research Institute, and they

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Speaker 6: had a little con test called PSI Crypto ps y Crypto,

592
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Speaker 6: wherein artists submit videos that contain supposedly coded messages hidden

593
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Speaker 6: embedded into these videos that are more likely to be

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Speaker 6: correctly deciphered by one who is under the influence of

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Speaker 6: psychedelics things like LSD, psilocybin, mushrooms or hyahuasca. And the

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Speaker 6: Qualitier Research Institute is a nonprofit based in California that is,

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Speaker 6: you know, exploring the possibilities of combining tech with consciousness,

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Speaker 6: expanding you know, substances.

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Speaker 5: Let's say, so this.

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Speaker 6: Thing called well psychedelic cryptography is what PSI crypto is

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Speaker 6: short for. And they say here in this vice article

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Speaker 6: by Becky Ferrera represent DIF from the organizations quoted as

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Speaker 6: saying the goal was to create encodings of sensory information

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Speaker 6: that are only meaningful when experienced on psychedelics in order

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Speaker 6: to show the specific information processing advantage of those states,

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Speaker 6: which I think is neat because you know, men and

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Speaker 6: Ben and I we've certainly talked about the stoned ape

608
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Speaker 6: theory a lot. You know, the idea that evolution was

609
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Speaker 6: in some way kind of hurried along by those individuals

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Speaker 6: that consume psychedelics and that gave them a heightened visual

611
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Speaker 6: acuity and sonic perception and maybe made them better hunters.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 6: There's there's a lot of hay have been that's been

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Speaker 6: made about that particular concept. But it's interesting because it

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Speaker 6: does seem that they believe that there's some sand to that,

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Speaker 6: or the very least, they want to.

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Speaker 5: See where it goes. They want to explore it.

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Speaker 6: First of all, what do you guys think about this

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Speaker 6: as a form of research, because it's like it sounds

620
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Speaker 6: a little bubblegum to me, like it's almost like a

621
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Speaker 6: PR stunt. But I mean, do you think there's value

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Speaker 6: in this, either on the creation side of the of

623
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Speaker 6: the material and the messages, or on like seeing how

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Speaker 6: this perception, you know, kind of tracks.

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Speaker 2: It sounds really cool to me, Noel, I just want

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Speaker 2: you to know this article that what we're looking at

627
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Speaker 2: here on Vice. It just asked me if I want

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Speaker 2: to allow Vice dot Com to use up to one

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Speaker 2: point two gigabytes of storage on my Mac? Should I

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Speaker 2: say no?

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Speaker 5: I did not. I don't think so. You just ask

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Speaker 5: me that like a cookie. It's like a.

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Speaker 2: Cookie of some sort. It wants me to download one

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Speaker 2: point two gigs.

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Speaker 6: That's a big cookie. That's a big cookie. You know

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Speaker 6: what they say about giving a mouse of cookie. I

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Speaker 6: actually don't know. I never read that children's book, but

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Speaker 6: I think bad things happen, good things happen unclear roll

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Speaker 6: the dice.

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Speaker 4: In the children's book, if you give a mouse a cookie.

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Speaker 4: The ideas that making space in one way will require

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Speaker 4: you to continually make more concessions for the mouse. If

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Speaker 4: you give a mouse a cookie, the mouse will need

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Speaker 4: some milk. If the mouse needs some milk, then so

645
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Speaker 4: on and so on.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, that actually drinks a belp that's a good

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Speaker 6: that's a good life lesson though, no wonder it's such

648
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Speaker 6: a popular book here. The funniest thing about the story, though,

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Speaker 6: I think, is the results who were like super underwhelming.

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Speaker 6: Basically the one of this guy named Andreas Gomez Emilson,

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Speaker 6: who's the director of research at q R I wrote

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Speaker 6: a Vice motherboard this email about what they got back. Basically,

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Speaker 6: so the top three submissions were the only ones that

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Speaker 6: worked at all according to our team of expert. Here's

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Speaker 6: a fun word, phenomenologists.

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Speaker 5: But what is that?

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Speaker 6: I always thought phenomenologists were people that, like it was

658
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Speaker 6: tied to paranormal stuff, or maybe it's just anything that's

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Speaker 6: like outside of the realms of normal perception.

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Speaker 4: Phenomenology is essentially a study of consciousness. It comes like

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Speaker 4: a lot of philosophers talk about it. It's the study

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Speaker 4: of how a mind experiences a thing. How does the

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Speaker 4: mouse feel about the cookie? What does that make the

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Speaker 4: mouse feel about milk?

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Speaker 6: Well, the cookie is delicious, and the mouse needs to

666
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Speaker 6: dip that cookie in the milk. That's the only place

667
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 6: I have in my life for milk on its own

668
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: is either cereal or dunk in a cookie. I don't

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Speaker 6: know how y'all feel But isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 5: He goes on to say.

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Speaker 6: They tried really really hard to find messages in every

673
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 6: submission while on mushrooms and ayahuasca, and they note at

674
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Speaker 6: places where these substances are perfectly legal, and none of

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Speaker 6: the other submissions had anything worth commenting on.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe a bit of a fail.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think that? I just

679
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Speaker 2: want to try this. I want to try and make

680
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Speaker 2: as many secret message crypto things as possible, like I

681
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: want to create this stuff. Wait, hold on, no, I

682
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: feel like we've been doing this. We did this in

683
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: our video series for years been We specifically put things

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Speaker 2: in those videos that were just only meant to be

685
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Speaker 2: caught by people whose perception was like delayed a little

686
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: bit on purpose. Interesting, we've been doing this last year.

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Speaker 3: Flash frames or can you give us an example.

688
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Speaker 2: A bunch of little things? Just go watch everything that's

689
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: on YouTube conspiracy stuff, but just start from the I

690
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Speaker 2: guess the beginning. Does that make sense? Like for as

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Speaker 2: far back as you can go, there's all kinds of

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Speaker 2: hidden messages in there.

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Speaker 5: And once again, don't do drugs.

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Speaker 6: But the other makes me think of is like I've

695
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Speaker 6: never in my life been able to see those damn

696
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Speaker 6: magic eyes, you know, those things you squint and you

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Speaker 6: pull it away or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, can you guys.

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Speaker 5: See the magic guys? You serious every time? Yes, I

700
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Speaker 5: don't believe you.

701
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Speaker 2: Telling you the truth.

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Speaker 3: You are blessed, my.

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Speaker 5: Friend, because I haven't seen. Imagine.

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Speaker 6: I'm like that the guy in mal Rats who's freaking

705
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Speaker 6: out staring at the magic eye thing the whole time

706
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Speaker 6: until he's like beating his head against I just got

707
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Speaker 6: to wonder, like, I wish they went into a little

708
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Speaker 6: more detail about what kind of method I know. The

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Speaker 6: one thing they do say is that, you know, everyone's

710
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 6: probably heard of cliche psychedelic byproducts or let's call them

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Speaker 6: side effects, I guess, but they're kind of the effects

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Speaker 6: you want, so I guess they're not really sigh, but

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Speaker 6: like things called tracers where if you move your hand

714
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Speaker 6: around you'll see it leaves a trail, sometimes just a blur,

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Speaker 6: sometimes involving rainbows.

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Speaker 5: Or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 6: It's all about, like I mean, because obviously it's affecting

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Speaker 6: your perception in such a way that it is maybe delayed,

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Speaker 6: is the right term, Matt. If you think about it.

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Speaker 6: It's a visual delay in the way like an echo,

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Speaker 6: you know, on an audio subject, it can repeat and

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Speaker 6: then have feedback and it can kind of just like

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Speaker 6: almost multiply itself. This is kind of doing that visually.

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Speaker 6: So it does say they were doing methods that we're

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Speaker 6: utilizing that phenomenon, you know, the idea of seeing a tracer,

726
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Speaker 6: they would incorporate things into it. It says another quote,

727
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Speaker 6: I'm convinced that there are at least three to four

728
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Speaker 6: completely new and mind blowing ways to achieve psy crypto

729
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Speaker 6: that do not use tracers at all. They say the

730
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Speaker 6: tracers are in a way the trivial case. The new

731
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 6: psy crypto encoding schemes are far more surprising and non trivial.

732
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Speaker 6: We will publish more information about them in the near future.

733
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 6: That's kind of cool, exciting, but they're also being very

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Speaker 6: tight lipped about it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just want to watch that full What is it?

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Speaker 2: Can you see us? Is the name of the video

738
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Speaker 2: by Ryman's r A I M O N D S

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Speaker 2: germax j E R M A K S.

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Speaker 6: I see it immediately. It's a chicken. I'm just kidding.

741
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Speaker 5: I don't know, just for the folks playing along at home.

742
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Speaker 6: I mean, is it is just it looks like a

743
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 6: kind of trippy fract de lee screensaver type thing. You know,

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00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 6: it's not fractals exactly, and it does appear that there

745
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 6: are these ripples that are disconnected in a seemingly intentional

746
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 6: fashion that I'm wondering if maybe the hidden message is

747
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 6: hidden in those dot dash kind of separations. You know,

748
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Speaker 6: I literally just saw it. I saw the face of

749
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Speaker 6: an owl, or like a baby chicken. But that's just

750
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 6: me picking the lowest hanging fruit. But yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an.

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Speaker 6: Interesting concept to research the way certain substances really truly

753
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 6: do affect our perceptions, because you know, a lot of

754
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 6: that stuff's a bit of a black box. It seems

755
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 6: like people report things and experiences. But to have a

756
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 6: little more research done into it that could maybe even

757
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 6: lead to new uses for it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. It's interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: I'd love that they're in this thing there. They're approximating

760
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: the amount of drugs you need to see the correct

761
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Speaker 2: tracer length to decode the thing. That's nuts.

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Speaker 3: That's a great point, man.

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Speaker 4: It's like a US your settings on your television screen,

764
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: so you know, until like when you are playing a

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00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: video game or something, until this logo is barely visible.

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Speaker 4: This there is quite a depth of literature regarding both

767
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: psychedelic substances and the experience of senessia. Right, people have

768
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 4: been searching for some sort of universality. I think that's

769
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Speaker 4: quite interesting, and Noel, I think this is something that

770
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Speaker 4: continues in the future. I hope they come through with

771
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Speaker 4: more research.

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Speaker 6: Ben, you do you look into the video or do

773
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 6: you see a little screen grab of it as well?

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Speaker 3: I watched it.

775
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Speaker 6: Yeah, do you see those little patterns I'm referring to

776
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 6: their kind of dots and dashes sort of connection. I

777
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 6: wonder if to what you were just saying, Matt or

778
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 6: I think you said this about the focal, the length,

779
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 6: the amount of drugs you need to take to get

780
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 6: the correct length of tracers, Like do you think it's

781
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 6: those separated parts that maybe when it's moving and you're

782
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 6: experiencing those trades, it's drawing stuff like they're moving and

783
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 6: creating some image that's like capitalizing on that visual distortion.

784
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 6: Yet kind of neat and yet to your point, Ben,

785
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 6: about phenomenology, there are some philosophers you know involved in

786
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 6: this project as well, or at least adjacent a guy

787
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 6: named David Pierce who's a philosopher, and he is interested in,

788
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 6: you know how these kinds of sensory experiences could potentially

789
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 6: explain consciousness even further in terms of the way this

790
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 6: kind of processing actually takes place. Or maybe David Pierce

791
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 6: suggested this first and then and they're sort of operating

792
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 6: forward from that suggestion or that that way of thinking.

793
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 6: I think it's neat Well, thank y'all for chatting that

794
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 6: one throughout. I don't really have anything else to add.

795
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 6: And unless y'all do, this is a, like you said, Ben,

796
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 6: something to keep.

797
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 5: An eye on.

798
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Speaker 6: Literally a magic eye. You bustards. All you people out

799
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 6: there that can see the magic eye. I'm kidding, You're blessed.

800
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 6: You're wonderful people. I'm just not one of you.

801
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 4: And your eyes are magic no matter where you point them.

802
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: It's true, as we said at the very top, all

803
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 4: of these stories are going to come up in the future,

804
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: depending on your reckoning of time and whether or not

805
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 4: it is linear. In the meantime, we would in the meantime,

806
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 4: we would love to hear from you, folks. What do

807
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: you think about the sudden whistleblowing on not necessarily extraterrestrial

808
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 4: but non human craft recovered in secret for over eighty

809
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: years by the United States, apparently according to a couple

810
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 4: of sources, What do you think about the so called

811
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: slow motion collapse? How much is commercial real estate and

812
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: your neck of the global woods? And most importantly, check

813
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 4: out that Vice article Noel mentioned. Let us know what

814
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: messages you get, and to the degree that you are comfortable,

815
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: let us know your psychedelic settings calibrations. Would that be

816
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 4: better either way? Find us online.

817
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 6: Oh, I love the idea of calibration, Ben, because that's

818
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 6: exactly what you were describing with the dimming or lightning

819
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 6: of those things in video games, where it's like to

820
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 6: get your screen to where it's showing you the exact

821
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 6: depth of lightness and darkness, or calibrating like the delay

822
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 6: of a remote you know, like of a PlayStation control,

823
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 6: or there's like little rhythmic things you can do to

824
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 6: tap it to make it kind of connect and reduce

825
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 6: that same I'm sorry, I just think the idea of

826
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 6: calibrating the brain in that way is also interesting, and.

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Speaker 5: It's true you can find us all over the Internet.

828
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 6: We are conspiracy stuff on YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook. Conspiracy

829
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 6: Stuff show on TikTok. You're gott to see some fun

830
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 6: VIDs coming to those places in the very near future

831
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Speaker 6: at all times. But we did some fun ones the

832
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Speaker 6: other day that I'm looking forward to seeing.

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Speaker 2: They're always weird. Hey, do you like to talk on

834
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: your phone? Well, why don't you call us and tell

835
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: us about your Diablo for characters that you're creating right now?

836
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Speaker 2: Because we know you're playing Diablo for. We can see

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Speaker 2: you playing Diablo for. Call what a three three std

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839
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842
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,120
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Speaker 2: old fashioned email.

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