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This 0:01:05.378 --> 0:01:08.697 is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar 0:01:08.777 --> 0:01:09.738 and Alex bar. 0:01:09.777 --> 0:01:13.697 I'm Lazar Blazar from Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined 0:01:13.738 --> 0:01:17.938 as always by our Bark. 0:01:19.138 --> 0:01:21.378 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. 0:01:21.738 --> 0:01:23.618 Yeah, that's fair. All right, Let's go to the downs. 0:01:23.818 --> 0:01:28.137 You got seventeen of them, so hurry up. That is you. 0:01:28.298 --> 0:01:31.297 Last week you told me you had like six down? Yeah, 0:01:31.378 --> 0:01:32.658 how many do you have this week? I mean, this 0:01:32.738 --> 0:01:33.577 game was even worse. 0:01:33.658 --> 0:01:36.057 I just kind of bundle them all together. 0:01:36.777 --> 0:01:39.218 I did kind of do that. Okay, you did you 0:01:39.258 --> 0:01:42.978 do offense, defense, special teams. No, I should have done that. 0:01:43.018 --> 0:01:46.698 This would have been a good week to do that. Okay, well, 0:01:48.458 --> 0:01:50.218 I don't even know where to start right now. I 0:01:50.218 --> 0:01:53.098 am gonna pay the bills real quick though, and say, hey, 0:01:53.098 --> 0:01:55.618 Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota right, am 0:01:55.618 --> 0:01:59.298 I doing it right? Toyota, Toyota, Toyota, It's a tea, 0:01:59.298 --> 0:02:02.498 It's right there. Toyota's best offers, including those not seen 0:02:02.538 --> 0:02:05.778 on TV. Go to buy a Toyota dot com. It's 0:02:05.778 --> 0:02:08.737 Toyota's official website for deals from the official vehicle of 0:02:08.778 --> 0:02:12.058 the New England Patriots. Toyota Let's go places and easy 0:02:12.098 --> 0:02:14.338 to drink, easy to enjoy, but like the official beer 0:02:14.418 --> 0:02:17.538 sponsor of the New England Patriots. Hello everybody, Evan Lazar, 0:02:17.618 --> 0:02:20.738 Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two with you for the 0:02:20.738 --> 0:02:24.697 next couple hours, and we're obviously gonna talk plenty off season. 0:02:24.778 --> 0:02:27.698 We'll talk plenty of draft. That's gonna be the meat 0:02:27.738 --> 0:02:30.978 of today's show, as it will be for the next 0:02:31.018 --> 0:02:34.258 four or five months. Ready on Catch twenty ye Wait 0:02:34.338 --> 0:02:37.898 for insincerity being sincere That kind of came off like 0:02:37.938 --> 0:02:39.418 I was being sarcastic about that. 0:02:39.418 --> 0:02:40.377 But I do love it. 0:02:41.858 --> 0:02:44.458 I do wish that we were talking about playoffs and 0:02:44.498 --> 0:02:47.898 competitive football absolutely, uh So. But this is where I 0:02:47.898 --> 0:02:49.698 want to start today because I think it's important for 0:02:49.818 --> 0:02:52.338 us to still talk about what's going on in the 0:02:52.377 --> 0:02:55.818 present and and what's going to happen with the direction 0:02:55.898 --> 0:02:59.297 of this football team. Alex and I just coming off 0:02:59.298 --> 0:03:02.738 of Saturday's game. Uh The one feeling that I can't 0:03:02.858 --> 0:03:05.738 escape that I keep feeling about the performance against the 0:03:05.818 --> 0:03:09.378 Chargers was that was the one thing they could not 0:03:09.538 --> 0:03:12.458 do like they could They could play a game like 0:03:12.498 --> 0:03:18.098 they played in Arizona, which was lackluster, but okay, you 0:03:18.138 --> 0:03:20.218 know you you're just not a very good team. You're 0:03:20.258 --> 0:03:22.618 on the road, right, like all that kind of stuff. 0:03:22.818 --> 0:03:24.538 They could have played a game like they did in 0:03:24.538 --> 0:03:27.858 Buffalo and we'd be probably giving them flowers, like if 0:03:27.858 --> 0:03:30.938 they had stacked two games like that back to back. 0:03:31.458 --> 0:03:34.858 The one thing that this coaching staff could not afford 0:03:35.058 --> 0:03:37.378 was to get blown out, and not even just get 0:03:37.378 --> 0:03:40.338 blown out, but really just not be competitive in any 0:03:40.338 --> 0:03:44.098 phase from start to finish. And I thought after the 0:03:44.138 --> 0:03:49.898 Bills game that Drodmeo's job was safe coming off this 0:03:50.058 --> 0:03:53.778 Chargers game. I'm not saying that he should or shouldn't, 0:03:53.778 --> 0:03:56.138 but I think all options are currently on the table 0:03:56.338 --> 0:03:59.458 because of how bad it looked against a Charger team 0:04:00.018 --> 0:04:03.698 which seems to have its bleep together, and you can 0:04:03.778 --> 0:04:07.458 kind of see the compare and contrast of a well coached, 0:04:07.578 --> 0:04:12.098 well oiled machine with the Chargers, who aren't blowing doors 0:04:12.098 --> 0:04:14.298 off of every team. Right, they had just played a 0:04:14.298 --> 0:04:15.578 close game against the Broncos. 0:04:15.658 --> 0:04:17.578 They think in the week before that they got was 0:04:17.618 --> 0:04:19.178 it the week four, two weeks before they got wrecked 0:04:19.178 --> 0:04:21.138 by Tampa? Yeah, that was in the last month, I know. 0:04:21.298 --> 0:04:23.858 So they're not a wagon. We're not talking. If the 0:04:23.898 --> 0:04:26.178 Bills had done what the Chargers did, I think I 0:04:26.217 --> 0:04:27.498 would have felt differently. 0:04:27.138 --> 0:04:29.218 If you flip the two games, like, it's more or 0:04:29.258 --> 0:04:32.058 less what I was expecting from those two games, just backwards, 0:04:32.217 --> 0:04:35.017 right right right. Play the Chargers close, tight, Maybe you lose, 0:04:35.058 --> 0:04:36.978 but you put up a fight against a team that's 0:04:37.298 --> 0:04:39.058 sort of right there in the playoff picture, and look, 0:04:39.097 --> 0:04:43.538 Buffalo's Buffalo. What's gonna happen is gonna happen? Instead it flipped. 0:04:43.577 --> 0:04:44.258 No, I'm with you. 0:04:44.337 --> 0:04:47.098 If we're just playing the prediction game, regardless of what 0:04:47.097 --> 0:04:50.698 we think shoul or shouldn't happen. We've both kind of said, like, yeah, 0:04:51.138 --> 0:04:53.058 they're probably gonna run it back. That was the first 0:04:53.097 --> 0:04:55.337 game it kind of came away from and said. 0:04:56.618 --> 0:04:59.578 Maybe not. Yeah, it's a great point, and I just 0:04:59.938 --> 0:05:03.178 what I keep coming back to as well, is okay, 0:05:03.298 --> 0:05:08.138 So you decide that you've committed to girod Mayo and 0:05:08.618 --> 0:05:12.017 you feel as though he is gonna grow on the 0:05:12.138 --> 0:05:14.458 job and all that kind of stuff, and it's it 0:05:14.618 --> 0:05:16.497 is a little I don't want to call it unfair 0:05:16.498 --> 0:05:19.738 because it's professional sports, but you had to have known 0:05:19.778 --> 0:05:22.818 that he was gonna have some growing pains as really 0:05:22.818 --> 0:05:26.098 a guy coming into this very very green for the position, right, 0:05:26.337 --> 0:05:28.137 So you had to have known that this was gonna 0:05:28.138 --> 0:05:33.018 sort of be a multi year build for girod Mayo here. 0:05:33.857 --> 0:05:38.218 But at the same time, it just is hard to envision, 0:05:38.658 --> 0:05:42.418 like how do you rearrange the deck chairs here underneath 0:05:42.457 --> 0:05:47.618 girod Mayo to then make it better next year is 0:05:47.698 --> 0:05:49.698 hard to envision. Like the way to do it, I 0:05:49.737 --> 0:05:53.657 suppose would be to move on from one of the coordinators, 0:05:53.698 --> 0:05:58.018 But now you're scapegoating a coordinator who probably doesn't deserve 0:05:58.058 --> 0:06:01.258 it to be honest, especially on an offense in my opinion, 0:06:01.258 --> 0:06:04.218 in Alex van Pel doesn't deserve to be scapegoated. But 0:06:04.498 --> 0:06:06.338 with a head has to roll for going three and 0:06:06.378 --> 0:06:09.178 fourteen or three four and thirteen, whatever it ends up being. 0:06:10.217 --> 0:06:13.498 And I just I don't know how that changes anything 0:06:13.577 --> 0:06:16.298 really at the core of it. If all you're doing 0:06:16.898 --> 0:06:20.258 is we're gonna let go of DeMarcus Comington and we're 0:06:20.258 --> 0:06:23.777 gonna bring in a more experienced, a more seasoned defensive 0:06:23.778 --> 0:06:26.098 coordinator on that side of the ball, I'll give a name. 0:06:26.418 --> 0:06:28.418 You know, Let's say the Giants, let's say they clean 0:06:28.457 --> 0:06:31.897 house and Patrick Graham becomes available. You know, maybe you 0:06:31.977 --> 0:06:34.378 bring in Patrick Graham, who's called a defense, who's run 0:06:34.378 --> 0:06:37.738 a defense, who's been a successful coordinator in different areas. 0:06:38.938 --> 0:06:41.698 But then at the same time, it's like, okay, but 0:06:41.818 --> 0:06:46.938 you're still you still need the head coaching to significantly improve, 0:06:47.418 --> 0:06:50.138 even if the coordinators are a little bit more stable 0:06:50.217 --> 0:06:53.017 underneath him. And it just it feels like a lot 0:06:53.018 --> 0:06:56.898 of gymnastics to try to avoid the dude state scenario. 0:06:57.178 --> 0:07:00.777 The whole thing with that Bills game was you just 0:07:00.818 --> 0:07:03.138 wanted to see some sort of progress from this coaching 0:07:03.178 --> 0:07:04.538 staff this year. Like you said, it might be a 0:07:04.618 --> 0:07:07.618 multi year thing, but you can't just have a bad 0:07:07.737 --> 0:07:09.937 year one throughout and then expect to jump without any 0:07:09.977 --> 0:07:12.538 evidence in year two. And the Bills game was is 0:07:12.538 --> 0:07:14.818 this the start of that late season push? And instead 0:07:14.818 --> 0:07:16.938 it looks like, more likely than not, it was a blip. 0:07:17.258 --> 0:07:19.778 It was an anomaly. And that that's where you look 0:07:19.818 --> 0:07:22.377 at Trod Mayo, because if he's gonna be this CEO 0:07:22.458 --> 0:07:24.938 head coach, it is all about development, not just of 0:07:25.018 --> 0:07:27.138 the players, but of the coaches, and this game was 0:07:27.138 --> 0:07:28.338 a step back in that regard. 0:07:28.977 --> 0:07:31.178 Yeah, so I want to talk a little bit about, 0:07:31.258 --> 0:07:33.658 you know, what actually went wrong, and then we'll do 0:07:33.698 --> 0:07:35.378 three up, three down, and then and then we'll get 0:07:35.378 --> 0:07:36.818 to the draft. We'll try to keep this a little 0:07:36.818 --> 0:07:39.138 bit shorter than our normal game precap because I know 0:07:39.178 --> 0:07:40.898 that there's not a ton of there's only so much 0:07:40.938 --> 0:07:43.738 to Yeah, but I think the biggest thing to look 0:07:43.737 --> 0:07:46.018 on the offensive side of the ball when I watch 0:07:46.058 --> 0:07:50.258 their film offensively and it's not it's not too that's 0:07:50.258 --> 0:07:52.578 the word. It's not to make excuses for Alex van 0:07:52.618 --> 0:07:54.978 Pelt and the coaching. Could the play calling, could the 0:07:54.977 --> 0:07:57.498 play design. I've been critical of that all year long. 0:07:58.298 --> 0:08:01.818 The play design in particular, I think is pretty vanilla. 0:08:01.898 --> 0:08:04.858 But at the same time you watch them try to 0:08:04.938 --> 0:08:08.497 execute the slot pass to Pop Douglas and it turns 0:08:08.498 --> 0:08:11.938 into a horrible t which, like I love that. That 0:08:12.178 --> 0:08:13.858 So what that play is supposed to be is. 0:08:13.778 --> 0:08:17.738 Like you're he's supposed he's essentially tossing it to Pop 0:08:17.737 --> 0:08:20.618 Douglas is coming in motion, but you have ramondre Stevenson 0:08:20.698 --> 0:08:22.698 go out the other way as ee Candy. Yeah, I've 0:08:22.698 --> 0:08:24.378 seen that play work a ton of times. It's a 0:08:24.458 --> 0:08:26.578 very fun play. It's a good touch for Pop Douglas 0:08:26.618 --> 0:08:29.098 all that, but if you can't execute it, you can't 0:08:29.098 --> 0:08:30.778 execute it. And this is where you have to square 0:08:30.857 --> 0:08:32.898 the two between Alex van Pelt. 0:08:33.018 --> 0:08:33.618 Understand it. 0:08:33.658 --> 0:08:35.218 You know you don't have the talent to run it, 0:08:35.498 --> 0:08:38.258 so maybe don't run it, but like, could you just 0:08:38.338 --> 0:08:40.018 you could do that with a handoff and it would 0:08:40.018 --> 0:08:42.458 still work. The toss makes it a little bit better, 0:08:42.698 --> 0:08:44.778 but you can still get to the point with a handoff, 0:08:44.778 --> 0:08:46.618 And if you know you can't run it as a toss, 0:08:46.938 --> 0:08:48.578 you got to recognize that if you're Van Pelt. But 0:08:48.618 --> 0:08:50.658 also they probably don't have the talent there to run 0:08:50.698 --> 0:08:51.018 it as. 0:08:50.898 --> 0:08:53.618 A toss, right, So it's tough. That's I think a 0:08:53.658 --> 0:08:57.178 great microcosm of everything on offense is that particular play 0:08:57.618 --> 0:09:00.058 of all the issues with their offense right now. Because 0:09:00.098 --> 0:09:03.297 they don't have the talent, they don't have the chemistry 0:09:03.377 --> 0:09:05.098 whatever you want to call it, just sort of the 0:09:05.098 --> 0:09:08.058 execution to be able to pull off a play like that. 0:09:08.538 --> 0:09:12.218 But because they can't do anything that's sort of high level, 0:09:12.658 --> 0:09:16.018 they're just so basic offensively that they're easy to defend. Right, So, 0:09:16.137 --> 0:09:19.297 like it's sort of this you know, damned if you do, 0:09:19.377 --> 0:09:22.218 damned if you don't, type of scenario. And like you said, 0:09:22.218 --> 0:09:24.138 you know, you see teams like the Bills, teams like 0:09:24.178 --> 0:09:26.818 the Lions, teams like the Packers like pull off plays 0:09:26.857 --> 0:09:29.538 like this all the time. It's a wing tea play. 0:09:29.538 --> 0:09:31.657 It's like it goes back like fifty years. Like they've 0:09:31.698 --> 0:09:34.578 been running these types of like veer wingt type of 0:09:34.578 --> 0:09:39.338 offense scheme since, you know, like Navy in the nineteen forties, right, 0:09:39.377 --> 0:09:41.578 Like this is not new to football by any stretch 0:09:41.578 --> 0:09:44.458 of the imagination. But the Patriots don't have the ability 0:09:44.538 --> 0:09:47.098 to do it, And so I go with Van Pelt, 0:09:47.098 --> 0:09:49.977 I'm like, okay, but you know that's hard, like that, 0:09:49.977 --> 0:09:53.498 that's hard to coordinate an offense, and everybody is And 0:09:53.578 --> 0:09:56.418 I get that there's been some criticism about him reacting 0:09:56.458 --> 0:09:59.018 too much to the media and what we're saying about 0:09:59.017 --> 0:10:01.738 the play calling, But everybody's on you to be more 0:10:01.778 --> 0:10:04.857 creative and be more innovative, and be more tricky and 0:10:04.898 --> 0:10:07.218 like all these types of things. And then you try 0:10:07.257 --> 0:10:10.058 something that's a little bit creative and tricky and it 0:10:10.178 --> 0:10:13.218 just completely backfires, like it completely blows up in your face. 0:10:13.658 --> 0:10:15.257 And so like, what do you do if you're Van 0:10:15.338 --> 0:10:18.058 Pelt is a really good question. So basically what I'm 0:10:18.098 --> 0:10:19.938 getting out with the offense is every single week that 0:10:20.017 --> 0:10:23.338 I watch their offensive film. It's not so much that 0:10:23.377 --> 0:10:25.498 I don't think that they have a plan or like 0:10:25.617 --> 0:10:29.338 that they don't go into games with like a script 0:10:29.458 --> 0:10:33.538 and sort of a goal or a you know, landmarks 0:10:33.578 --> 0:10:35.418 of like how we are going to move the ball 0:10:35.458 --> 0:10:36.977 and how we're going to score points and how we're 0:10:36.977 --> 0:10:39.098 gonna win this game. I just don't think they have 0:10:39.137 --> 0:10:41.978 the talent, Like I just think they're very very talent 0:10:42.098 --> 0:10:45.857 poor and all over the place. Besides basically quarterback and 0:10:45.898 --> 0:10:49.018 tight end, So like, what are you supposed to really look? 0:10:49.338 --> 0:10:52.418 There's certainly a case to talk about the coaching staff. 0:10:52.458 --> 0:10:53.858 And I'm not saying the coaching is perfect. 0:10:53.938 --> 0:10:54.218 It's not. 0:10:54.857 --> 0:10:56.738 If we are to list the biggest issues facing the 0:10:56.737 --> 0:11:00.298 New England Patriots this season, talent roster talent is at 0:11:00.298 --> 0:11:00.698 the top. 0:11:00.578 --> 0:11:01.458 Of the list number one. 0:11:01.497 --> 0:11:04.458 There's plenty of teams in the league that have a 0:11:04.578 --> 0:11:07.618 very talented roster and an okay coach or even a 0:11:07.658 --> 0:11:09.897 bad coach that they may look good. You would probably 0:11:09.898 --> 0:11:11.898 say the Detroit Lions. I would say the San Francisco 0:11:11.938 --> 0:11:12.578 forty nine Ers. 0:11:12.658 --> 0:11:12.858 Yeah. 0:11:13.137 --> 0:11:15.858 There's also some coaches that are considered great coaches that 0:11:16.017 --> 0:11:18.778 have rosters to avoid of talent and it doesn't look 0:11:18.857 --> 0:11:22.297 very good. Yeah, so does the Does there need to 0:11:22.298 --> 0:11:25.617 be changes with the coaching staff? Absolutely? None of it matters. 0:11:25.658 --> 0:11:28.497 If you don't improve the talent, that is issue number one, 0:11:28.538 --> 0:11:30.458 first and foremost. And if you disagree, I'd ask you 0:11:30.497 --> 0:11:33.698 to think about it this way. Would you rather run 0:11:33.737 --> 0:11:35.898 it back with the same coaches but a better roster, 0:11:36.818 --> 0:11:38.538 or the same roster but different coaches. 0:11:40.538 --> 0:11:43.857 It's a good question. Obviously you don't have to, right 0:11:45.098 --> 0:11:47.898 bull should right, bull should be improved, but give me 0:11:47.938 --> 0:11:49.218 the better roster all day. 0:11:49.377 --> 0:11:52.178 It's it's the players on the field that ultimately decide 0:11:52.178 --> 0:11:52.458 the game. 0:11:52.658 --> 0:11:56.137 Yeah, it's a it's a great point. And again I'm 0:11:56.178 --> 0:11:59.698 not trying to shield Alex van Pelt to blame or 0:11:59.698 --> 0:12:03.138 make excuses for him, But when I watch their their 0:12:03.257 --> 0:12:07.858 their tape offensively, I just don't I'm running out of 0:12:07.898 --> 0:12:10.698 ideas of like, Okay, how what could they really do? Differently, 0:12:10.737 --> 0:12:13.378 Like they can't run block, they can't pass protect for 0:12:13.538 --> 0:12:17.178 very long, Like people are criticizing him of you know, 0:12:17.218 --> 0:12:20.578 not giving the tackles a lot of help in past protection. 0:12:21.058 --> 0:12:25.617 But they don't have the capability of running like two 0:12:25.698 --> 0:12:28.538 man routes because they don't have guys that get open, right. So, like, 0:12:28.617 --> 0:12:31.818 if you're running a two man route, then you're trying 0:12:31.818 --> 0:12:34.377 to set up a one on one matchup for somebody 0:12:34.458 --> 0:12:37.138 by doing that max protect two man route. You know, 0:12:37.137 --> 0:12:40.377 you're thinking post safety, single high, so someone's gonna get 0:12:40.377 --> 0:12:42.578 the safety and someone's gonna be one on one. But 0:12:42.658 --> 0:12:44.737 you consistently need that player to be able to win 0:12:44.818 --> 0:12:47.617 one on one. They don't have that, so they put 0:12:47.658 --> 0:12:50.258 everybody in the pattern to try to stretch out the 0:12:50.257 --> 0:12:52.657 field and try to make the defense at least cover 0:12:52.818 --> 0:12:57.458 everything right, So like it just it continue to just 0:12:57.538 --> 0:13:02.137 kind of see that. Offensively, Now defensively, I still think 0:13:02.137 --> 0:13:04.857 they're not playing to their talent level on defense. I 0:13:04.898 --> 0:13:08.098 still believe that there are better defense than what they've 0:13:08.098 --> 0:13:11.338 shown talent wise, and the main reason to me is 0:13:12.178 --> 0:13:14.778 a lack of fundamentals on the defensive side of the ball. 0:13:15.017 --> 0:13:18.058 If you, I will continue to say this over and 0:13:18.098 --> 0:13:22.298 over again, if you tackle well, if you play with 0:13:22.338 --> 0:13:26.777 good angles, good leverage, if you play with good fundamentals 0:13:26.818 --> 0:13:29.658 and technique on the line of scrimmage, you can just 0:13:29.737 --> 0:13:32.418 be a good defen by trying hard, like not a 0:13:32.418 --> 0:13:34.818 great defense. Like you're probably not going to be top 0:13:34.898 --> 0:13:38.578 ten in the league by just being locked in and 0:13:38.617 --> 0:13:41.098 having effort in all those kinds of things. But I 0:13:41.098 --> 0:13:44.258 think it's true in almost any sport that if you play, 0:13:45.298 --> 0:13:51.777 if you are a fast, pursuit, relentless, good like tough, physical, 0:13:52.137 --> 0:13:55.857 fundamentally sound defense, I still think that you're better than 0:13:55.977 --> 0:13:58.698 thirtieth in the league in DVOA on defense just with that, 0:13:59.538 --> 0:14:01.737 just with that alone, Yeah, And they don't do that. 0:14:01.898 --> 0:14:05.778 They don't play that way. They're constantly pulled out and 0:14:05.898 --> 0:14:09.218 drawn out of coverage areas, They're constantly you know, not 0:14:09.458 --> 0:14:12.338 their run fits, and they're tackling and all that kind 0:14:12.377 --> 0:14:15.498 of stuff is just it's totally falling off and totally 0:14:15.538 --> 0:14:18.738 falling apart. So you look at all these things and 0:14:18.818 --> 0:14:20.938 I still think that they are playing below their talent 0:14:21.058 --> 0:14:24.498 level on defense and schematically. Like Greg Roman's a good 0:14:24.498 --> 0:14:27.218 offensive coordinator, I don't think that Greg Roman is a 0:14:27.258 --> 0:14:30.418 great pass game coordinator. He's a very very good run 0:14:30.538 --> 0:14:34.218 game quarter Day, this game, they made Greg Roman in 0:14:34.258 --> 0:14:36.458 the past game look like he was like, you know, 0:14:37.098 --> 0:14:40.297 just unstoppable, right, you know, so it wasn't the run game. 0:14:40.338 --> 0:14:43.537 If they were getting torched by like you know, Roman's 0:14:43.618 --> 0:14:46.138 like run designs like that we've seen in Baltimore and 0:14:46.298 --> 0:14:49.498 San Francisco and now at the Chargers, I would say, Okay, 0:14:49.578 --> 0:14:52.298 you know, Greg Roman did his thing this week. This 0:14:52.418 --> 0:14:54.778 was past game stuff like this was we know, you 0:14:54.778 --> 0:14:57.018 guys are gonna be in man to man and we're 0:14:57.058 --> 0:14:59.138 just gonna have a bunch of man beaters. And then 0:14:59.178 --> 0:15:01.458 those times that you do play zone, like you're not 0:15:01.498 --> 0:15:03.618 gonna be good enough in zone to stop us, right, 0:15:03.698 --> 0:15:05.938 and so the fact that they don't have any sort 0:15:05.978 --> 0:15:09.138 of right hand or or left hand excuse me, they 0:15:09.138 --> 0:15:13.258 don't have any sort of counter defensively, These teams just 0:15:13.298 --> 0:15:15.378 know they're gonna play man on third down. They know 0:15:15.418 --> 0:15:18.178 they're gonna get man. They know that if they run 0:15:18.418 --> 0:15:21.738 you know, tight splits, if they run bunch concepts, if 0:15:21.738 --> 0:15:24.498 they run pick plays, if they just do all these 0:15:24.498 --> 0:15:27.018 different things to beat man to man coverage that you 0:15:27.138 --> 0:15:30.898 see all around the league, they are going to find success. 0:15:30.898 --> 0:15:32.858 And just talking to some of the players after the 0:15:32.858 --> 0:15:35.618 game on Sunday, you know, they basically said, it's just 0:15:35.698 --> 0:15:37.898 really hard, Like it's really hard to go out there 0:15:37.938 --> 0:15:40.018 and play man to man for four quarters when the 0:15:40.058 --> 0:15:42.178 other team knows you're going to be playing man to man. 0:15:42.378 --> 0:15:44.258 They have all these tricks and all these game plan 0:15:44.378 --> 0:15:46.698 wrinkles ready for you to play man to man. And 0:15:46.738 --> 0:15:49.778 my thought was, you know that that's a coaching like 0:15:49.818 --> 0:15:53.058 that's adjusting right, like that's finding other ways to to 0:15:53.338 --> 0:15:56.218 go ahead and play pass defense. And I just thought 0:15:56.218 --> 0:15:58.738 that they are have become very predictable. Now could you 0:15:58.818 --> 0:16:02.537 sit there and say that's that's talent that they don't have. 0:16:02.578 --> 0:16:04.698 The they don't have guys that can play mann zone 0:16:04.738 --> 0:16:07.258 and things like I guess, but I still feel like 0:16:07.338 --> 0:16:09.498 they have better talent than what they've shown. 0:16:09.618 --> 0:16:11.178 Well, some of that, I think it's tie talent. Remember 0:16:11.178 --> 0:16:12.537 we were doing shows at the beginning of the year 0:16:12.578 --> 0:16:14.938 wondering why they weren't playing more man cover. Yeah, because 0:16:14.938 --> 0:16:15.578 of the personnel. 0:16:15.618 --> 0:16:17.378 So I think that's tied too. But at the end 0:16:17.378 --> 0:16:20.858 of the day, talents talent, Yeah, I had last thing 0:16:20.858 --> 0:16:23.978 on the defense. I would just say, supposed to be 0:16:24.058 --> 0:16:26.018 up and downs. We're gonna do it night now, Okay, 0:16:26.018 --> 0:16:29.298 But I just wanted to wrap this up, put a 0:16:29.298 --> 0:16:32.178 bow on this, this takedown of this entire game on 0:16:32.258 --> 0:16:37.258 Sunday or Saturday. Do you realize how much they've struggled 0:16:37.258 --> 0:16:39.058 to press their quarterback. 0:16:38.698 --> 0:16:41.498 Like it's I think this was another game where they 0:16:41.498 --> 0:16:43.578 had no quarter They had one quarterback hit and it 0:16:43.618 --> 0:16:45.418 was a penalty. It was a really bad penalty. 0:16:45.538 --> 0:16:49.458 Yeah, so they they are now thirtieth in the league 0:16:49.818 --> 0:16:52.417 in team pressure rate. I'm actually surprised it's not thirty second, Like, 0:16:52.538 --> 0:16:56.138 why I don't watch every single defense, every single snap 0:16:56.178 --> 0:16:59.298 of every single defense is surprising. I don't even know 0:16:59.338 --> 0:17:01.538 what those other teams are doing. But one of the 0:17:01.578 --> 0:17:04.177 things that has really stood out to me is their 0:17:04.178 --> 0:17:08.098 inability to manufacture pressure. Remember when they traded Matthew Judon, 0:17:08.498 --> 0:17:10.898 the big quote was, we've done this in the past, 0:17:10.938 --> 0:17:14.058 where we've manufactured pressure without a Chandler Jones or a 0:17:14.098 --> 0:17:16.858 Matthew Judon or a stud pass presher, and we've been 0:17:16.898 --> 0:17:21.018 able to get away with it. So last season under 0:17:21.058 --> 0:17:25.298 Bill and Steve Belichick, they were first in the league 0:17:25.938 --> 0:17:30.138 in unblocked pressure rate creating free runners at the quarterback 0:17:30.218 --> 0:17:32.058 number one in the league. Nine point eight percent of 0:17:32.058 --> 0:17:34.258 the time they were able to generate a free runner. 0:17:34.498 --> 0:17:37.458 That has basically been cut in half. This year They're 0:17:37.458 --> 0:17:39.938 had five point one percent. They're twenty fourth in the 0:17:39.978 --> 0:17:43.858 league this season. So that again, that's all scheme right. 0:17:43.938 --> 0:17:45.978 And in the very first third down of the game, 0:17:46.418 --> 0:17:51.578 they blitzed Gonzo on a boundary blitz and the Chargers 0:17:51.618 --> 0:17:54.298 just blocked it like it was just like they just 0:17:54.338 --> 0:17:56.778 picked it up, like it was just it was totally 0:17:57.138 --> 0:18:01.138 and completely ineffective, like the back just picked up. Gonzo 0:18:01.618 --> 0:18:04.618 stood him up. No pressure on Herbert. He had a 0:18:04.818 --> 0:18:07.338 picnic back there and made a throw and converted and 0:18:07.338 --> 0:18:10.258 moved the chains that has been Alarming to me too 0:18:10.378 --> 0:18:13.338 is the fact that they have had no they have 0:18:13.458 --> 0:18:17.138 no sort of schematic ability to get after the quarterback 0:18:17.418 --> 0:18:20.018 and any sense of the word. And I get like, 0:18:20.098 --> 0:18:22.178 you know, you you wish that you could just do 0:18:22.178 --> 0:18:24.498 it with a four men rush. Their four man rush, 0:18:24.538 --> 0:18:27.538 they have the fewest sacks allowed, a fewest sacks generated 0:18:27.578 --> 0:18:29.618 in the league from a four man rush. They've only 0:18:29.778 --> 0:18:33.218 sacked the quarter back fourteen times. I'm surprised all year 0:18:33.218 --> 0:18:35.458 with the four men rush's last in the league. So 0:18:35.498 --> 0:18:38.658 they can't really just rush four and get home, that's 0:18:38.698 --> 0:18:41.058 for sure. But they also haven't done a really great 0:18:41.138 --> 0:18:44.338 job of manufacturing pressure as well. So if it is 0:18:44.378 --> 0:18:48.658 this coaching staff and they are back next year, that 0:18:48.738 --> 0:18:52.058 has to be the number one question. Is Okay, we 0:18:52.138 --> 0:18:54.458 could go out and draft Abdul Carter and throw a 0:18:54.498 --> 0:18:57.778 bag at you know, pass rushers in free agency or 0:18:57.818 --> 0:19:00.698 something like that, and maybe just upgrade the talent and 0:19:00.738 --> 0:19:04.218 hope that that improves. But to me, it's more complicated 0:19:04.298 --> 0:19:06.858 than that. They have to figure out why are our 0:19:07.218 --> 0:19:11.698 disguised rushes, like our blitzes, our simulated pressures things like that, 0:19:11.978 --> 0:19:15.698 like why did those not work? Like what we do 0:19:15.738 --> 0:19:16.978 we have a tell? Do we? 0:19:17.218 --> 0:19:17.338 Like? 0:19:17.738 --> 0:19:20.218 It almost feels like they have a tell. And I'm 0:19:20.218 --> 0:19:22.578 not like advanced enough to figure out what the tell is, 0:19:23.018 --> 0:19:24.778 but like, it almost feels like they have a tell 0:19:25.018 --> 0:19:27.138 because every single time they run one of these like 0:19:27.218 --> 0:19:31.218 simulated pressures or creepers or whatever, the disguised rush, it 0:19:31.338 --> 0:19:34.458 just gets bocked. So like something is telling the offense 0:19:34.498 --> 0:19:36.618 that this is coming. I don't know what, but I 0:19:36.658 --> 0:19:38.218 have a big feeling that they have a tell. 0:19:38.898 --> 0:19:39.538 I can see it. 0:19:39.938 --> 0:19:43.298 Three up, three down? What's what are your Do you 0:19:43.338 --> 0:19:45.538 have any ups? I do have two ups. I have 0:19:45.578 --> 0:19:46.218 two ups as well. 0:19:46.218 --> 0:19:49.298 Okay, uh, number one is cold strange. Now, he wasn't 0:19:49.338 --> 0:19:53.698 perfect in this game. He certainly wasn't perfect, but he 0:19:53.778 --> 0:19:56.458 never even started a game at center in college. Yeah, 0:19:56.498 --> 0:19:59.138 so to come into the NFL against a good defensive 0:19:59.138 --> 0:20:01.498 front that the Chargers have, he had. 0:20:01.858 --> 0:20:03.218 He didn't have any bad snaps. 0:20:03.258 --> 0:20:05.378 He did have the one that was early late in 0:20:05.418 --> 0:20:08.418 the game, and he was called for an illegal man 0:20:08.458 --> 0:20:11.938 downfield at one point, but again for guys starting his 0:20:11.978 --> 0:20:16.018 first game ever at center at this level, it certainly 0:20:16.098 --> 0:20:18.058 could have been a lot where and also a guy 0:20:18.138 --> 0:20:20.498 coming back from it was a very serious knee injuries, 0:20:20.538 --> 0:20:22.698 starting his first game at center, in his first game 0:20:22.738 --> 0:20:24.898 back for me very significant nee injury, hadn't played an 0:20:24.898 --> 0:20:27.178 over a year, didn't have that many practices to get 0:20:27.178 --> 0:20:30.338 ready for this game. It certainly could have been maybe 0:20:30.458 --> 0:20:32.138 should have been a lot worse. I was very impressed 0:20:32.138 --> 0:20:34.178 with what Cole Strange did. Does that mean he's the 0:20:34.178 --> 0:20:35.898 center of the future after David Andrews. 0:20:35.938 --> 0:20:36.298 I don't know. 0:20:36.338 --> 0:20:40.018 I need to see a little more, but realistically, as 0:20:40.018 --> 0:20:41.858 good of a start as you could ask for from 0:20:41.938 --> 0:20:43.298 Cole Strange in that center role. 0:20:43.658 --> 0:20:46.418 Yeah, I thought he looked the part of the position. 0:20:46.498 --> 0:20:50.058 I didn't think he was looked completely overwhelmed or out 0:20:50.098 --> 0:20:53.058 of place or anything like that. Now, there were definitely 0:20:53.098 --> 0:20:58.458 some issues with Blitz pickups and protections and things like that. 0:20:58.578 --> 0:21:00.858 I mean, you know how many times is Derwin James 0:21:00.898 --> 0:21:03.138 just gonna come in unblocked, right? Like? There has to 0:21:03.178 --> 0:21:05.177 be ways that they can be better in that regard 0:21:05.218 --> 0:21:08.338 with Cole Strange making the calls and things like that. 0:21:08.538 --> 0:21:10.938 I would get venture to say that there were probably 0:21:10.938 --> 0:21:16.138 some errors there by the pre snap processing of BOTZ 0:21:16.178 --> 0:21:19.378 pickup and protections and things like that. And you know, 0:21:19.378 --> 0:21:21.738 in the run game. I still felt like there were 0:21:21.818 --> 0:21:26.138 times where he was getting out muscled by the DT's 0:21:26.618 --> 0:21:30.058 on the Chargers, but I agree those were like sort 0:21:30.098 --> 0:21:32.578 of my nip picks I guess of this game for him. 0:21:32.578 --> 0:21:36.298 But I overall, I thought that it was encouraging, like, 0:21:36.418 --> 0:21:39.018 let's see what this looks like after a full offseason 0:21:39.018 --> 0:21:42.978 in training camp and just looking at David Andrews's injury history. 0:21:43.178 --> 0:21:48.138 Love David Andrews, but he's had a lot of injuries. 0:21:48.138 --> 0:21:52.218 At this point. I don't know if David Andrews is 0:21:52.258 --> 0:21:54.938 gonna come back next year and be the same guy. 0:21:55.298 --> 0:21:56.818 And I don't know if we're going to be in 0:21:56.858 --> 0:21:59.938 a situation where we're two weeks into training camp and 0:21:59.978 --> 0:22:02.538 he kind of realizes that he doesn't have it anymore, Right, Like, 0:22:02.578 --> 0:22:05.138 I hope that's not the case, but you have to 0:22:05.138 --> 0:22:08.138 prepare for that outcome, and maybe cold Strange is the 0:22:08.178 --> 0:22:08.978 backup plan there. 0:22:09.058 --> 0:22:10.657 Yeah, I mean, at the very least, we'll see what 0:22:10.698 --> 0:22:12.578 he does on Sunday, but at the very least you 0:22:12.618 --> 0:22:14.378 have an option. I would still like to see them 0:22:14.378 --> 0:22:16.298 take a center, maybe on day three, because even if 0:22:16.298 --> 0:22:19.178 cold Strange is the guy, you now need his backup, right, But. 0:22:19.658 --> 0:22:23.738 It was he looked good for what it was. I 0:22:23.778 --> 0:22:27.738 was impressed for what that was. Yeah, Okay, My number 0:22:27.778 --> 0:22:30.177 one up in this game was Anthony Jennings. I did 0:22:30.258 --> 0:22:32.378 two up. I did won an offense, one in defense. 0:22:32.858 --> 0:22:35.298 Anthony Jennings I thought was the one guy that kind 0:22:35.298 --> 0:22:37.378 of came to play on the defense. Had those two 0:22:37.458 --> 0:22:39.458 run stuffs early in the game, very first play of 0:22:39.458 --> 0:22:42.538 the game, stuff to a run to try to set 0:22:42.578 --> 0:22:44.378 the tone a little bit. I also had him with 0:22:44.418 --> 0:22:47.258 four quarterback pressures in this game. I thought this was 0:22:47.298 --> 0:22:49.578 a nice bounced back game for him after he struggled 0:22:49.578 --> 0:22:52.138 a little bit in Buffalo. And you know, I think 0:22:52.138 --> 0:22:53.778 he's a solid player for them. Do I think he's 0:22:53.778 --> 0:22:55.538 a game changer. No, but I think that he has 0:22:55.578 --> 0:22:58.578 a role in the defense in the NFL, setting the edge, 0:22:58.658 --> 0:23:02.018 playing first and second down, and they have something in 0:23:02.058 --> 0:23:03.258 that in that respect. 0:23:03.778 --> 0:23:04.578 He's my other up. 0:23:04.738 --> 0:23:07.818 Okay. My other up was just Tomario Douglas because the 0:23:07.898 --> 0:23:10.418 touchdown was the only offensive play they made all day 0:23:10.658 --> 0:23:12.658 and it was really him, Like, not to take anything 0:23:12.698 --> 0:23:15.578 away from Drake May, but it was he made the 0:23:15.938 --> 0:23:16.458 hell of the catch. 0:23:16.538 --> 0:23:18.858 I'll get Drake May and Cole Strange gets some credit 0:23:18.858 --> 0:23:22.177 to for like getting that free play, getting the snap off. 0:23:22.218 --> 0:23:24.338 It's an unreal catch. I was attempted to put Douglas. 0:23:24.698 --> 0:23:27.298 Who do you put the fault on on the blown 0:23:27.338 --> 0:23:29.658 pitch plays it Douglas for not getting the spot in time, 0:23:29.938 --> 0:23:31.898 or May for the toss to out in front of. 0:23:31.858 --> 0:23:34.538 Him, I put I would put it mostly on May. 0:23:34.578 --> 0:23:38.018 I don't think it was a great toss, And I 0:23:38.058 --> 0:23:39.978 also I am with you that in terms of the 0:23:40.018 --> 0:23:41.658 design of the play, I didn't love that it was 0:23:41.698 --> 0:23:43.978 a toss to begin with. Yeah, so the Bills ran 0:23:44.058 --> 0:23:46.578 it as a toss on the goal line to Khalil Shakir, 0:23:46.978 --> 0:23:48.538 But I don't know if it was supposed to be 0:23:48.578 --> 0:23:50.378 a toss, it might have just ended up being a 0:23:50.378 --> 0:23:53.058 toss because it just didn't hit exactly how they wanted 0:23:53.098 --> 0:23:55.178 it to hit. Kind of similarly to this one. The 0:23:55.258 --> 0:23:59.218 Lions always run this play as a handoff. It's a 0:23:59.258 --> 0:24:00.538 straight handof. 0:24:00.098 --> 0:24:02.898 So most of the time when I see that play 0:24:02.938 --> 0:24:05.178 as a toss, it's at the college level. Yeah, and 0:24:05.218 --> 0:24:07.138 it's a little easier to do because you run it, 0:24:07.738 --> 0:24:09.778 you motion the guy from the short side, so he's 0:24:09.818 --> 0:24:11.818 not coming as far from the from the sideline with 0:24:11.818 --> 0:24:14.258 the hashes being further out. I'm trying to remember if 0:24:14.258 --> 0:24:15.818 I've seen as a toss in the NFL. I was 0:24:15.818 --> 0:24:18.818 trying to find it. Sure I have, but in the 0:24:18.938 --> 0:24:20.378 NFL that's usually a handoff play. 0:24:20.458 --> 0:24:23.858 Yeah, I thought that it should have been a handoff play, 0:24:23.938 --> 0:24:26.178 and it didn't sound like it was ever supposed to 0:24:26.178 --> 0:24:27.698 be a handoff play, Like I think that was a 0:24:27.978 --> 0:24:30.818 toss all the way. Yeah, So yeah, I I didn't 0:24:30.858 --> 0:24:33.258 put it on Douglas, and I thought again that his 0:24:33.378 --> 0:24:35.978 touchdown catch and the adjustment that he made and the 0:24:36.018 --> 0:24:38.378 catch that he made was in an incredible catch and 0:24:38.418 --> 0:24:40.338 it was really the only offensive highlight of the game. 0:24:40.458 --> 0:24:42.418 So yep, there you go, all right to the downs. 0:24:43.138 --> 0:24:48.218 So my biggest issue in this game was the situational defense. Yeah, 0:24:48.658 --> 0:24:51.058 ten of seventeen on third down, the charges, ten of 0:24:51.098 --> 0:24:53.378 seventeen on third down. They were good in the red zone, 0:24:53.458 --> 0:24:56.138 they were good in the two minutes. The defense wasn't 0:24:56.138 --> 0:24:59.978 good overall in this game, but it felt like every 0:25:00.058 --> 0:25:04.258 single potential pivot moment you saw some of the worst 0:25:04.338 --> 0:25:07.778 performances they had throughout the afternoon. Yeah, and that goes 0:25:07.818 --> 0:25:10.698 to coaching, That goes to coaching, so that that was 0:25:10.738 --> 0:25:13.578 the biggest thing that stood out to me. There's been 0:25:13.578 --> 0:25:16.018 a lot made about the time of possession. Patriots had 0:25:16.018 --> 0:25:18.018 the ball for under twenty minutes, by the way, s 0:25:18.058 --> 0:25:20.058 their second such game this year. It's the first time 0:25:20.258 --> 0:25:22.818 since at least the eighties that that's happened. Yeah, but 0:25:23.538 --> 0:25:24.978 and a lot of people looked at that as the 0:25:25.018 --> 0:25:27.338 offense and look, the offense couldn't stay on the field, certainly, 0:25:27.938 --> 0:25:30.738 but some of that was the defense couldn't get off either. 0:25:30.778 --> 0:25:33.138 They were some long drives in that game. Yeah, from 0:25:33.178 --> 0:25:35.498 the Chargers. The situational defense was just not there. 0:25:35.618 --> 0:25:37.378 Yeah, I looked some of this up. I'm not a 0:25:37.378 --> 0:25:40.258 big time of possession guy, as you could probably imagine. 0:25:40.258 --> 0:25:44.338 Well, have the Chargers ran seventy seven plays? Yeah, that's 0:25:44.378 --> 0:25:46.818 an absurd now, as I'm saying, and I want to 0:25:46.818 --> 0:25:47.418 double check. 0:25:47.338 --> 0:25:52.578 To defensive film, was thirty minutes seventy that's insane offense. 0:25:53.138 --> 0:25:55.258 You don't have teams that run seventy seven plays in 0:25:55.298 --> 0:25:56.098 an overtime game. 0:25:56.178 --> 0:25:59.258 Yeah, so it's insane when you look at time of possession. 0:25:59.298 --> 0:26:01.738 I think you know the reason why. You know, I'm 0:26:01.738 --> 0:26:03.898 not big on time of possession Sometimes just because of 0:26:03.898 --> 0:26:05.938 the context right of why you're on the field and 0:26:05.978 --> 0:26:06.458 why you're not. 0:26:07.178 --> 0:26:09.538 Well, that's why I think play disparity fits at So yeah, 0:26:09.818 --> 0:26:12.978 for the disparities point Chargers ran seventy seven plays, it's 0:26:12.978 --> 0:26:14.018 not like it was a quick game. 0:26:14.178 --> 0:26:18.578 Patriots ran forty eight. Yeah. Yeah, So last year it 0:26:18.618 --> 0:26:20.818 felt like the Patriots defense was on the field a 0:26:20.818 --> 0:26:23.138 lot because of the offense, because they were good on 0:26:23.218 --> 0:26:26.098 third down last year there I think they were ninth 0:26:26.138 --> 0:26:27.698 in the league. I want to say on third down 0:26:27.738 --> 0:26:30.538 and twenty three like they were. It wasn't because they 0:26:30.578 --> 0:26:33.098 were letting teams extend drives all the time. Right this 0:26:33.218 --> 0:26:35.658 year both have been a problem they have the offense 0:26:35.658 --> 0:26:37.698 can't stay on the field and the defense can't get 0:26:37.738 --> 0:26:39.978 off of it. The defense right now is bottom third 0:26:40.018 --> 0:26:41.378 of the league. And third down I want to say 0:26:41.378 --> 0:26:44.058 they're twenty fourth or one of them's twenty fourth and 0:26:44.058 --> 0:26:45.418 one of them is twenty seventh. I don't know which 0:26:45.458 --> 0:26:47.698 one's red zone and which one's third down off the 0:26:47.698 --> 0:26:50.378 top of my head. So basically they're they're not good 0:26:50.418 --> 0:26:53.978 on third down on defense. So now the problem is 0:26:53.978 --> 0:26:55.978 is that the offense can't sustained drives but also the 0:26:55.978 --> 0:26:58.018 defense can't get off the field, so some of this 0:26:58.458 --> 0:27:01.458 time of possession stuff is self inflicted for the defense 0:27:01.498 --> 0:27:03.818 this year. Maybe you couldn't say that in twenty two 0:27:03.818 --> 0:27:06.058 and twenty three, but this year this is definitely some 0:27:06.058 --> 0:27:09.338 self inflicted stuff on the defensive side. I went with 0:27:09.378 --> 0:27:11.498 the player a couple of players, and then I had 0:27:11.538 --> 0:27:15.018 one like sort of like what you just did. But 0:27:15.138 --> 0:27:17.338 Number one down for me in this game is Jonathan Jones. 0:27:17.538 --> 0:27:19.858 I mean, I hate to pick on Jonathan Jones because 0:27:19.858 --> 0:27:23.218 I love Jonathan Jones, but eight catches, ninety one yards, 0:27:23.978 --> 0:27:26.738 gave up a touchdown. You know, mcconkee just was too 0:27:26.778 --> 0:27:29.018 good for him, Like he was just outclassed by Malconukee 0:27:29.138 --> 0:27:31.658 in this game. That does not bode well to me 0:27:32.378 --> 0:27:35.538 for John Jones long term. I know he's really good 0:27:35.538 --> 0:27:38.498 against Shakir. He deserves his flowers for that. I gave 0:27:38.538 --> 0:27:40.978 him to him last week. But it seems like this 0:27:41.058 --> 0:27:43.698 has been more of what we've gotten from John Jones 0:27:43.738 --> 0:27:46.018 this year than the Shakiir game. Kind of felt like 0:27:46.058 --> 0:27:49.618 an outlier a little bit for him. And as we 0:27:49.658 --> 0:27:52.858 start to talk about the draft and the offseason, I 0:27:52.898 --> 0:27:55.378 don't know how you go into next year with Jonathan 0:27:55.458 --> 0:27:58.138 Jones and Marcus Jones. Is your your number two and 0:27:58.218 --> 0:28:00.818 number three corners? I think you need to upgrade the 0:28:00.898 --> 0:28:03.938 number two cornerback spot and put the Joneses back in 0:28:03.978 --> 0:28:06.098 the slot, like if the you know that. To me, 0:28:06.618 --> 0:28:09.458 Jonathan Jones at this point is probably more of like 0:28:09.498 --> 0:28:12.338 a safety corner. Like he's probably like a nickel or 0:28:12.378 --> 0:28:15.338 a dime safety corner and you know, maybe plays a 0:28:15.378 --> 0:28:16.858 little bit in the deep part of the field a 0:28:16.898 --> 0:28:19.738 little more next year if he's back, I don't know 0:28:19.738 --> 0:28:22.458 if his days of I'm gonna take this guy in 0:28:22.538 --> 0:28:24.858 man to man coverage for four quarters, I don't know 0:28:24.898 --> 0:28:27.978 if that is in him anymore. I think we might 0:28:28.058 --> 0:28:31.298 have moved past that stage of his career. So just 0:28:31.338 --> 0:28:34.218 from a bigger picture standpoint, not depict so much on 0:28:34.338 --> 0:28:38.538 John Jones. I I feel like cornerback two is now 0:28:38.778 --> 0:28:40.458 right on the list, you know, put it right in 0:28:40.498 --> 0:28:42.938 the top five. Yeah, it's a it's a major need. 0:28:42.978 --> 0:28:44.978 I agree with you. Yeah, all right, number two. 0:28:45.818 --> 0:28:47.778 Uh, Kyle Dugar And I feel like I have him 0:28:47.778 --> 0:28:50.578 on it every week at this point, and is what 0:28:50.658 --> 0:28:53.138 I get, He's battling through something, but he just can 0:28:53.218 --> 0:28:57.258 there continues to be mistackles, miscoverage assignments, like a couple 0:28:57.298 --> 0:28:59.578 of times a game where he is like it kind 0:28:59.618 --> 0:29:01.778 of seems like teams are targeting him now, yeah, to 0:29:01.818 --> 0:29:04.298 try to take advantage of him, and it's you hope 0:29:04.298 --> 0:29:06.178 it's just the ankle and he comes back next year 0:29:06.258 --> 0:29:08.378 looking more like the guy he was in twenty twenty three. 0:29:08.458 --> 0:29:12.778 But this version of him is they he can't play 0:29:12.818 --> 0:29:13.858 the role they needed to play. 0:29:14.698 --> 0:29:18.418 So his eyes are the problem to me right now. 0:29:18.738 --> 0:29:21.338 And that's why I'm sure that some of the recovery 0:29:21.578 --> 0:29:23.738 is being affected by the ankle. I mean, like, you know, 0:29:23.778 --> 0:29:26.138 recovering when you're your fall step or you're you're a 0:29:26.178 --> 0:29:28.938 little bit out of position. Some of that is probably 0:29:28.978 --> 0:29:31.778 due to physical issues, but right now, his eyes just 0:29:31.778 --> 0:29:34.058 seemed to constantly be in the wrong places in the 0:29:34.098 --> 0:29:36.298 passing game. And yeah, he was a part of two 0:29:36.298 --> 0:29:38.498 touchdowns in this game where I just felt like his 0:29:38.578 --> 0:29:40.258 eyes are just not in the right places. You know, 0:29:40.378 --> 0:29:43.658 mcconkee runs a really nifty route on the short touchdown 0:29:43.658 --> 0:29:46.058 that he scored down in the red zone. I don't 0:29:46.098 --> 0:29:48.938 know if I've necessarily seen that route before out of 0:29:48.978 --> 0:29:52.058 that sort of look, so they kind of mimicked crossers, 0:29:52.098 --> 0:29:54.018 you know, down in the red zone, and then he 0:29:54.178 --> 0:29:56.698 like pivoted out of his crosser. It was pretty cool. 0:29:56.738 --> 0:29:58.978 It was a great route. So that one I don't 0:29:59.018 --> 0:30:02.018 necessarily kill Dugger for because that's just a fantastic route 0:30:02.058 --> 0:30:05.618 and a really nice play design by the Chargers. That 0:30:05.698 --> 0:30:09.018 to me goes back to the Chargers saw in film. Okay, 0:30:09.098 --> 0:30:10.938 the Patriots in the red zone are going to switch 0:30:10.978 --> 0:30:13.498 off these crossers, right, They're gonna be in man to 0:30:13.618 --> 0:30:16.578 man and when the crosser runs across the field, he's 0:30:16.618 --> 0:30:18.818 gonna pass it off to this free safety and then 0:30:18.858 --> 0:30:22.458 replace the free safety. So they showed like McConkey was running, 0:30:22.658 --> 0:30:25.698 the defender dropped off McConkie, and then mcconkee went back 0:30:25.698 --> 0:30:28.298 out the other way. So that to me is coaching 0:30:28.418 --> 0:30:32.058 like that was a game plan to wrinkle or play 0:30:32.458 --> 0:30:35.618 that the Chargers had ready for how the Patriots handle 0:30:36.138 --> 0:30:39.178 crossers in the low red zone. So I don't necessarily 0:30:39.178 --> 0:30:41.058 put that as much on Dougger as I put it 0:30:41.098 --> 0:30:45.458 on Mayo and Covington. But the McConkie forty yard touchdown, 0:30:46.018 --> 0:30:48.898 I'm not one hundred percent sold that what coverage they 0:30:48.898 --> 0:30:51.218 were in because Douggers eyes are in the backfield the 0:30:51.378 --> 0:30:53.818 entire time, and he's like reading it almost like he's 0:30:53.858 --> 0:30:55.738 in zone, like a hook or something like that over 0:30:55.778 --> 0:30:58.498 the middle of the field. And then John Jones opens 0:30:58.938 --> 0:31:01.418 like he has inside help and then mccauky just runs 0:31:01.458 --> 0:31:03.698 right by him. And I don't know if Dougger was 0:31:03.698 --> 0:31:05.778 supposed to help. I don't know if John Jones just 0:31:05.818 --> 0:31:08.698 got beat. I kind of settled more towards John Jones 0:31:08.778 --> 0:31:11.378 just got beat. But like again, it's just Dougger's eyes 0:31:11.418 --> 0:31:14.018 are just locked into the backfield on the quarterback and 0:31:14.058 --> 0:31:17.338 he has no spatial awareness of like that there's a 0:31:17.378 --> 0:31:19.778 receiver running right by him right And the same thing 0:31:19.818 --> 0:31:22.338 happened on the crossing route early in the game by 0:31:22.418 --> 0:31:26.218 Davis where Austin thought he was passing and Dugger just 0:31:26.458 --> 0:31:29.418 was not ready to pick it up. So right now, 0:31:29.538 --> 0:31:31.858 to me, it's this is like he's in a mental 0:31:31.858 --> 0:31:36.058 pretzel back there. And I think that for the Patriots 0:31:36.058 --> 0:31:39.938 moving forward, I hate to keep adding needs to the list, 0:31:40.018 --> 0:31:43.618 but like free safety, it just he's not a free stating. 0:31:43.498 --> 0:31:45.458 You know where I've been on this, Like they they 0:31:46.498 --> 0:31:49.618 moved on from Devin mccordy with zero plan. Well, then 0:31:49.658 --> 0:31:50.818 we're gonna play guys out of position. 0:31:50.898 --> 0:31:52.538 Yeah, we're gonna play like Peppers and Dugger. 0:31:52.738 --> 0:31:55.058 That was their planet left tackle, That's been their planing 0:31:55.058 --> 0:31:57.058 at so many positions. We're just gonna play players we 0:31:57.098 --> 0:31:58.858 trust out of position. But just because you trust a 0:31:58.898 --> 0:32:00.938 guy doesn't mean he can play her position on the field. 0:32:01.018 --> 0:32:03.018 So they need they need to find Like I was 0:32:03.018 --> 0:32:04.418 texting about this guy the other night. You know how 0:32:04.458 --> 0:32:06.298 high I am on this guy. Happened since his draft. 0:32:06.738 --> 0:32:08.178 They need to find their Kirby Joseph. 0:32:08.298 --> 0:32:09.058 Yeah, he's a good play. 0:32:09.218 --> 0:32:10.298 That guy's a difference maker. 0:32:10.418 --> 0:32:13.618 It just feels like they were they were banking on 0:32:13.818 --> 0:32:17.178 being interchangeable, like they were gonna be. They're probably thinking, 0:32:17.618 --> 0:32:20.738 we're gonna go into more too high, you know, post 0:32:20.778 --> 0:32:23.778 snap rotation. We're gonna start in too high. We're gonna rotate. 0:32:24.338 --> 0:32:28.018 And they thought we could rotate either Dugger or Peppers 0:32:28.058 --> 0:32:31.178 into the box. So because of we were going to 0:32:31.258 --> 0:32:33.298 be a little bit more disguise heavy, we're gonna be 0:32:33.338 --> 0:32:36.738 a little bit more deceptive of Okay, we could rotate 0:32:36.818 --> 0:32:38.618 either way. So now you have to account for the 0:32:38.658 --> 0:32:40.898 fact that you don't really know which way they're going. 0:32:41.418 --> 0:32:43.538 But at the end of the day, somebody's got to 0:32:43.538 --> 0:32:45.738 play off top, and somebody's got to be up top 0:32:45.778 --> 0:32:48.658 on third down, and someone's gonna end up up top, 0:32:49.098 --> 0:32:52.738 and if can that player play back there consistently well, 0:32:53.098 --> 0:32:54.898 and I just don't think Kyle Duggar has been able 0:32:54.938 --> 0:32:56.978 to do that, and teams know it. Teams are now 0:32:57.018 --> 0:32:59.018 just hunting him, all right. Number three? 0:33:01.178 --> 0:33:02.218 Where'd I go here? 0:33:03.418 --> 0:33:03.578 Oh? 0:33:03.778 --> 0:33:04.978 I went in the wrong word. I thought we're doing 0:33:05.018 --> 0:33:08.618 players offensive situationally again, same thing two for ten on 0:33:08.698 --> 0:33:11.498 third downs. The few times they got in the red zone, 0:33:11.498 --> 0:33:14.138 they couldn't get it going. Just the situational football in 0:33:14.178 --> 0:33:15.498 this one was not there. 0:33:15.538 --> 0:33:18.578 It was not good. Yeah, fair enough. Number three for me, 0:33:18.618 --> 0:33:20.578 I kind of went over it already with the pass 0:33:20.618 --> 0:33:23.058 Russ stuff, A nineteen percent pressure eight. I think they 0:33:23.098 --> 0:33:26.298 had nine pressure dropbacks on forty one attempts or forty 0:33:26.338 --> 0:33:29.938 one drop backs by Justin Herbert just nowhere near him. 0:33:29.978 --> 0:33:33.538 And this was in a mush rush. Compact the quarterback, 0:33:33.778 --> 0:33:36.138 you know, compact the pocket, keep the quarterback in the pocket. 0:33:36.338 --> 0:33:38.578 They came after him. They blitz them thirteen times, and 0:33:38.618 --> 0:33:41.538 they did not get home. They got on thirteen blitzes. 0:33:41.778 --> 0:33:45.538 They had one pressure on thirteen blitzes. Think about that. 0:33:45.538 --> 0:33:46.258 That's ridiculous. 0:33:46.378 --> 0:33:49.738 They pressured him one time, they blited them thirteen times. 0:33:49.778 --> 0:33:52.098 That was way more than they blitzed Josh Allen, way 0:33:52.098 --> 0:33:54.418 more than they blitzed Kyler Murray. Like, this was not 0:33:54.698 --> 0:33:57.418 a we're going to keep the quarterback in the pocket game. 0:33:57.778 --> 0:34:00.698 They wanted to rush Justin Herbert. They couldn't get to him, 0:34:00.818 --> 0:34:04.698 that doubt. That's the bottom line. And their pass rush 0:34:04.738 --> 0:34:06.658 just continues to create. All right, do you have any more? 0:34:06.698 --> 0:34:08.857 I have one more go ahead, So I did put 0:34:08.898 --> 0:34:11.777 Drake May on here. This was my worst graded game 0:34:11.777 --> 0:34:15.377 for Drake May now, out of everybody involved in this 0:34:15.578 --> 0:34:18.778 entire organization. Yeah, the one guy I'm going to absolve 0:34:18.858 --> 0:34:22.377 sometimes right now is the rookie quarterback Like this is 0:34:22.498 --> 0:34:25.618 there's a lot wrong with the situation around Drake May. 0:34:26.098 --> 0:34:28.618 But I had him with the minus ten negative plays. 0:34:28.938 --> 0:34:31.618 I had him with e turn over play obviously on 0:34:31.698 --> 0:34:33.738 the toss you know, whatever the heck that was supposed 0:34:33.777 --> 0:34:36.258 to be on the play to pop Douglas. I just 0:34:36.297 --> 0:34:39.058 thought in this game, though, what bothered me a little 0:34:39.098 --> 0:34:41.458 bit about the way he played, I thought he was 0:34:41.498 --> 0:34:44.857 a little bit premature, Like leaving the pocket. I thought 0:34:44.858 --> 0:34:47.498 he left the pocket early a handful of times, he said, 0:34:47.698 --> 0:34:49.698 only once on the play he got his belt wrung on. 0:34:50.138 --> 0:34:53.458 That was part of it. But even like the Derwin 0:34:53.538 --> 0:34:56.978 James fifteen yard sack on fourth and two, him rolling 0:34:57.018 --> 0:34:59.098 to his right and trying to run away from the 0:34:59.098 --> 0:35:02.418 pressure felt very Caleb Williams to me, right, it just 0:35:02.738 --> 0:35:05.098 didn't really see it. Pre Snap was caught a little 0:35:05.098 --> 0:35:07.378 bit off guard by it. All he had to do. 0:35:07.458 --> 0:35:10.178 He had Antonio Gibson in the flat like right behind 0:35:10.218 --> 0:35:12.138 the blitz, Like all you had to do was hit 0:35:12.218 --> 0:35:15.858 the back hot out of the blitz, right. And I 0:35:15.898 --> 0:35:19.578 don't want to see him develop bad habits. That's the 0:35:19.658 --> 0:35:21.857 last thing I want to see him do. And some 0:35:21.938 --> 0:35:24.658 of these, you know, the teams now are just kind 0:35:24.658 --> 0:35:26.738 of recognizing that he's going to leave the pocket if 0:35:26.738 --> 0:35:29.618 you invite him to leave the pocket, and so they 0:35:29.938 --> 0:35:32.338 kind of are to him about it. And this is 0:35:32.418 --> 0:35:34.818 one thing that I'm going to nitpick him on, Like 0:35:34.858 --> 0:35:37.138 he's got to play quarterback in these situations from the 0:35:37.178 --> 0:35:39.218 pocket if they're gonna blitz him and they're gonna make 0:35:39.258 --> 0:35:41.297 them hot and they're gonna charge him up, like he's 0:35:41.338 --> 0:35:44.018 got to beat them with throwing the football, like make 0:35:44.058 --> 0:35:46.538 a quick decisive decision and get the football out. I 0:35:46.538 --> 0:35:48.698 thought there was three or four times in this game 0:35:49.218 --> 0:35:52.618 where he had options against the Blitz and just kind 0:35:52.658 --> 0:35:55.857 of froze on the last derwin James sack, and then 0:35:55.898 --> 0:35:58.098 the other ones. Was just kind of running around and 0:35:58.258 --> 0:36:00.298 don't I don't want to see him doing that that often. 0:36:00.898 --> 0:36:01.538 So that was that. 0:36:01.898 --> 0:36:04.018 Yeah, not one of his better games. I just felt 0:36:04.018 --> 0:36:05.538 like there was too much going on around him to 0:36:05.538 --> 0:36:06.378 put him on the downs. 0:36:06.378 --> 0:36:09.018 But yeah, totally fair. All right, do you have any more? No, 0:36:09.058 --> 0:36:12.337 it's it, okay, So let's let's do offseason. Let's talk 0:36:12.378 --> 0:36:15.258 about this game on Sunday a little bit too. Not 0:36:15.378 --> 0:36:18.658 about the strategy of you know x's and o's of 0:36:18.658 --> 0:36:21.738 how they're gonna take down the Bill's backups, but where 0:36:21.738 --> 0:36:22.898 do you stand. 0:36:22.658 --> 0:36:25.338 On Well, I have one thought on that, okay, And 0:36:25.378 --> 0:36:27.417 I've been excited to give this take this week because 0:36:27.418 --> 0:36:31.698 I think it's a fun take. Okay, everybody's talked about 0:36:32.058 --> 0:36:34.218 and Alex Van Pelt said today Drake May is going 0:36:34.298 --> 0:36:36.178 to start, which by the way he should. I think 0:36:36.218 --> 0:36:37.938 I'm in the minority on this. I'm curious to hear 0:36:37.978 --> 0:36:40.377 what you think of this. Okay, I'm okay that Drake 0:36:40.418 --> 0:36:42.178 May is starting this game. Frankly, I think he should 0:36:42.218 --> 0:36:44.658 start this game. I think it's important to the Patriots 0:36:44.738 --> 0:36:48.498 organization that he starts this game. Now, I would do 0:36:48.778 --> 0:36:51.138 exactly what the Bills are doing. Yeah, play him for 0:36:51.138 --> 0:36:53.938 a series maybe two, mostly handoffs, take him out, But 0:36:53.978 --> 0:36:55.458 I would do it for the same reason the Bills 0:36:55.458 --> 0:36:57.218 are doing it. And I'm giving the Bills credit. Evans, 0:36:57.218 --> 0:37:00.658 So you know, I feel strongly about ows Drake May. 0:37:00.698 --> 0:37:03.938 We want Drake May to be face to the franchise, 0:37:04.618 --> 0:37:08.458 one of the faces of the league, elite starting quarterback. 0:37:08.538 --> 0:37:08.777 Right. 0:37:08.858 --> 0:37:11.817 Ye, what do elite starting quarterbacks do more than anything else? 0:37:12.218 --> 0:37:15.298 They start games? Play football, They play football, They start games. 0:37:15.298 --> 0:37:18.377 They have Brady starting streak, Peyton Manning had that long 0:37:18.458 --> 0:37:22.138 starting streak. That's why Alan's doing it. Let's say Drake 0:37:22.138 --> 0:37:24.937 May becomes like awesome in five years, right, Yeah, don't 0:37:24.938 --> 0:37:26.297 we want to kind of be hyping up how many 0:37:26.338 --> 0:37:27.658 games in a row he own. He has to do 0:37:27.658 --> 0:37:29.218 a better drum of protecting himself as a part is, 0:37:29.338 --> 0:37:30.778 but like, yeah, it's gonna be weird. We have to 0:37:30.818 --> 0:37:32.538 be like he started almost every game, but oh yeah, 0:37:32.538 --> 0:37:33.538 there was that one at the end of the year 0:37:33.538 --> 0:37:35.817 in Buffalo. And I think that matters to Drake May 0:37:35.938 --> 0:37:38.058 because I think Drake May wants to be viewed like 0:37:38.098 --> 0:37:41.258 a guy like Josh Allen. So if Josh Allen's going 0:37:41.338 --> 0:37:43.498 to start this game, if the Bills can risk Josh 0:37:43.498 --> 0:37:47.418 Allen for one series in order to extend his streak, 0:37:47.778 --> 0:37:49.938 if we want Drake May to have that same standing, 0:37:51.218 --> 0:37:52.018 start Drake May. 0:37:52.658 --> 0:37:55.498 I feel sly about this. I like it. I have 0:37:55.538 --> 0:37:57.698 no problem with them starting. I have no problem with it. 0:37:58.658 --> 0:37:59.498 Part two of the take. 0:38:00.538 --> 0:38:03.938 Everybody is acting like if Joe Milton plays the Patriots 0:38:04.058 --> 0:38:05.338 automatically lose the game. 0:38:05.258 --> 0:38:08.058 Are you offended because he's your guy? Well you are, 0:38:08.058 --> 0:38:08.857 you are a little bit. 0:38:09.018 --> 0:38:11.938 First of all, for that to happen, you also have to. 0:38:11.858 --> 0:38:13.817 Be became famous because you're Joe Milton line. 0:38:13.858 --> 0:38:15.738 I know. First of all, you also have to have 0:38:15.818 --> 0:38:18.178 people like the defense has to do their part, right. 0:38:18.338 --> 0:38:18.938 Yeah. 0:38:19.018 --> 0:38:20.938 So I go back to and I've had fun bringing 0:38:20.938 --> 0:38:24.178 this name up all week. Yeah, Matt Flynn, Yeah, Matt 0:38:24.178 --> 0:38:26.818 Flynn in twenty eleven. Now it was the opposite situation. 0:38:26.938 --> 0:38:29.378 The Packers were in the playoffs. They were where the 0:38:29.418 --> 0:38:31.898 Bills are. They don't want to risk Aaron Rodgers. They 0:38:31.938 --> 0:38:34.418 put in Matt Flynn to make his second career starts. 0:38:34.418 --> 0:38:36.777 You know what his first career start was, You know 0:38:36.818 --> 0:38:40.738 what game, d Condy. He was fine in that game, 0:38:40.818 --> 0:38:43.098 he was fine. That was his third year in the league, 0:38:43.098 --> 0:38:44.777 fourth year in the league. He makes his second start 0:38:44.778 --> 0:38:47.818 Week seventeen against the Detroit Lions. Think about some of 0:38:47.818 --> 0:38:51.578 the quarterbacks the Packers have had. Matt Flynn set every 0:38:51.618 --> 0:38:54.938 single like all of the major single game passing records 0:38:54.978 --> 0:38:57.337 for the Green Bay Packers four hundred and eighty year 0:38:57.578 --> 0:39:00.938 contract he got from this six touchdowns against the Lions. 0:39:01.258 --> 0:39:03.538 Now he was a free agent. Joe Milton's not. He 0:39:03.578 --> 0:39:05.738 got what at the time was a significant contract. The 0:39:05.778 --> 0:39:08.018 Seahawks are ready to name him the starter. Now he 0:39:08.098 --> 0:39:10.338 lost out to a third round pick named Russell Wilson 0:39:10.378 --> 0:39:12.738 in training camp, then bounced around. He was even here 0:39:12.778 --> 0:39:17.018 at one point, But like, who's to say this isn't 0:39:17.018 --> 0:39:19.978 a showcase game for Joe Milton. This is the packerway, 0:39:20.058 --> 0:39:21.218 this is the thing. 0:39:21.378 --> 0:39:22.258 It's a fourth preseason. 0:39:22.418 --> 0:39:25.538 Right, You draft all these quarterbacks with the idea that 0:39:25.618 --> 0:39:27.098 you can't have too many. If you end up with 0:39:27.138 --> 0:39:28.897 a good one, they're worth something you can trade them. 0:39:29.258 --> 0:39:31.178 So I don't know why we're all just assuming Joe 0:39:31.178 --> 0:39:33.498 Milton's gonna go out there and be terrible. Yeah, And 0:39:33.538 --> 0:39:35.498 that way he can be good and the Patriots can 0:39:35.498 --> 0:39:37.458 still lose the game. We talked about the issues with 0:39:37.498 --> 0:39:40.258 the defense. Mitchell Trubisky's a backup, but I was a 0:39:40.338 --> 0:39:42.738 Paul or Fred who said earlier, like, he's not exactly 0:39:42.738 --> 0:39:46.538 a low level backup. He's kind of bad you compare 0:39:46.538 --> 0:39:48.738 to some of the other backups in the league. Fair enough, right, 0:39:49.018 --> 0:39:52.058 he's Is he a top forty quarterback in the league. No, 0:39:52.458 --> 0:39:55.458 you don't think so. I'd put him top forties or 0:39:55.778 --> 0:39:57.258 forty two. I think he's one of the ten best 0:39:57.258 --> 0:39:58.058 backups in the league. 0:39:58.098 --> 0:39:59.578 Okay, right, fair enough. 0:39:59.938 --> 0:40:03.698 So I'm just saying, don't run off Joe Milton. 0:40:04.178 --> 0:40:06.658 Fair enough. I'm not writing off Joe Milton. I also 0:40:06.738 --> 0:40:09.817 think that there's absolutely zero tape on Joe Milton, and 0:40:09.818 --> 0:40:11.938 the Bills will have no idea what the Patriots might 0:40:11.978 --> 0:40:13.098 actually do with Joe Milton. 0:40:13.138 --> 0:40:15.058 So even when you have tape on Joe Milton, he 0:40:15.098 --> 0:40:16.378 can still be kind of un predictable. 0:40:16.458 --> 0:40:18.538 I know, but I'm just saying, like, you know, it 0:40:19.818 --> 0:40:22.058 could be a little unpredictable, yeah, right, when you have 0:40:22.178 --> 0:40:24.338 a quarterback like that that's not played a single snap 0:40:24.378 --> 0:40:26.777 all year. But I would start Drake May in this 0:40:26.858 --> 0:40:29.738 game or don't have a problem. It's I probably I 0:40:29.738 --> 0:40:31.498 don't know where I this, but this is where I 0:40:31.578 --> 0:40:34.498 kind of wanted to go. Anyways, Like, you know, how 0:40:34.538 --> 0:40:36.738 should they approach this game? Is really the only story 0:40:36.818 --> 0:40:41.578 with this game, and I am I'll can't stress this enough. 0:40:42.258 --> 0:40:45.337 They're not They're not gonna tank guys. They're not gonna 0:40:45.378 --> 0:40:48.698 sign some quarterback off the street right and and play 0:40:48.738 --> 0:40:50.378 him on Sunday to purposely lose them. 0:40:50.418 --> 0:40:52.538 They're not gonna be all right, you know, we're down 0:40:52.658 --> 0:40:55.058 four with ten seconds to go, let's kick a field goal. 0:40:55.178 --> 0:40:55.417 Yeah. 0:40:55.498 --> 0:40:58.377 Yeah, they're not gonna purposely lose the game. Okay, could 0:40:58.418 --> 0:41:01.098 they just lose it out right? We've seen them lose thirteen. 0:41:01.418 --> 0:41:03.498 Very possible. It's very possible. 0:41:03.578 --> 0:41:05.898 But no, you're not, especially because you've got to remember, 0:41:06.338 --> 0:41:11.178 for all these players, they're either trying to when teams 0:41:11.178 --> 0:41:14.458 evaluate players. They significantly wait games at the end of 0:41:14.458 --> 0:41:16.378 the year more than they wait the games at the beginning. 0:41:17.178 --> 0:41:19.498 They're not going to care about the circumstances in this 0:41:19.538 --> 0:41:21.858 game when they do that, especially for guys who are 0:41:21.858 --> 0:41:24.698 pending free agents or maybe aren't a lock to be 0:41:24.738 --> 0:41:26.498 back here next year. They want to put on a 0:41:26.618 --> 0:41:28.618 good tape because they want to keep their jobs in 0:41:28.618 --> 0:41:31.858 the NFL. The same for the coaches. Jarrodmeo coaching for 0:41:31.898 --> 0:41:33.658 his job, is Alex sant Pelt coaching for his job. 0:41:33.698 --> 0:41:37.218 They're not Why would they help an organization get the 0:41:37.258 --> 0:41:38.938 first overall pick when they don't know if they'll be 0:41:39.018 --> 0:41:41.498 part of that organization when they make that pick. There's 0:41:41.618 --> 0:41:44.498 no incentive there. The only one who has any incentive, 0:41:44.578 --> 0:41:47.058 it's it's the general manager on up now. If Drod 0:41:47.098 --> 0:41:50.378 Mayo has been told his job is safe, that could 0:41:50.618 --> 0:41:53.857 factor in a little bit. If he knows, no matter 0:41:53.898 --> 0:41:57.378 what happens, you're good. We want to pick. That's another conversation. 0:41:57.458 --> 0:42:00.817 But it doesn't happen. Tanking does not happen on a 0:42:00.898 --> 0:42:02.218 game day level. 0:42:02.418 --> 0:42:04.618 I just think that that is such a terrible look. 0:42:04.658 --> 0:42:06.897 Like to your point, let's say they get the ball 0:42:06.938 --> 0:42:08.738 back with like a minute and a half to go 0:42:09.218 --> 0:42:12.337 within one score and they just kneel it out. Not happen, right, 0:42:12.378 --> 0:42:14.178 it's not happy. You can't do that, And you know what, 0:42:14.218 --> 0:42:14.658 it shouldn't. 0:42:14.698 --> 0:42:16.578 I don't you know, do you want people in your 0:42:16.658 --> 0:42:19.978 organization that are not invested solely in winning games? 0:42:20.018 --> 0:42:21.498 You want apex competitors. 0:42:21.538 --> 0:42:23.817 I go back to the scene in the Last Dance 0:42:23.858 --> 0:42:25.618 of Michael Jordan at the end of that last game 0:42:25.618 --> 0:42:27.378 of his rookie year where they try to take them 0:42:27.378 --> 0:42:28.857 off the floor because they're trying to get a better 0:42:28.938 --> 0:42:31.138 draft pick, and he's losing his mind because he's like, 0:42:31.138 --> 0:42:32.618 we have a game to win today. What are you 0:42:32.658 --> 0:42:33.178 talking about? 0:42:33.178 --> 0:42:33.698 The draft? 0:42:34.098 --> 0:42:36.258 So you know, those are the kind of competitors you want. 0:42:36.378 --> 0:42:38.738 I think Drake may may kind of be wired that way, 0:42:38.778 --> 0:42:40.458 which is part of the reason I would let him 0:42:40.458 --> 0:42:44.298 get the start, even if it's ceremonial. But yeah, that's 0:42:44.418 --> 0:42:46.858 not gonna happen. Now that being said, the stakes themselves. 0:42:47.058 --> 0:42:49.897 I heard you talking about this earlier when it comes 0:42:49.938 --> 0:42:50.938 to the first overall pick. 0:42:50.978 --> 0:42:52.538 Well, let's get to that in a stade. Okay, all right, 0:42:53.498 --> 0:42:56.938 last thing on this point of it. I've gone back 0:42:56.978 --> 0:42:59.298 and forth on how much Drake may should play in 0:42:59.338 --> 0:43:02.777 this game, because my biggest fear in the way that 0:43:02.818 --> 0:43:04.858 things have gone in the last couple of years for 0:43:04.898 --> 0:43:08.858 the Patriots, always thinking worst case scenario. Frankly, my biggest 0:43:08.858 --> 0:43:12.058 fear is that there's you know, I heard you know 0:43:12.098 --> 0:43:14.978 on your station a lot about like, well, he has 0:43:15.018 --> 0:43:18.738 all off season to get to like recover from an injury. Yeah, Okay, 0:43:18.778 --> 0:43:20.777 if he gets nicked up in the game and he 0:43:20.858 --> 0:43:24.178 has a hand, you know, his hand, he stubs a finger, 0:43:24.618 --> 0:43:26.658 sure he has plenty of time to get over that. 0:43:27.138 --> 0:43:29.618 What happens if he blows out his knee, What happens 0:43:29.618 --> 0:43:31.337 if he tears in a kill that's the kind of injury. 0:43:31.738 --> 0:43:33.978 What happens if he separates his shoulder and now he 0:43:34.018 --> 0:43:35.498 can't throw for four months? 0:43:35.578 --> 0:43:35.698 Right? 0:43:35.778 --> 0:43:40.378 Like what those types of things are derailing to an 0:43:40.538 --> 0:43:44.058 entire off season that I fear. I worry about because 0:43:44.378 --> 0:43:47.258 this is a huge off season for his development. This 0:43:47.338 --> 0:43:49.298 is the year two leap right right that he should 0:43:49.338 --> 0:43:52.338 be in the lab working with his whoever it is, 0:43:52.378 --> 0:43:54.738 you know, Clyde Christensen or whoever he decides to work 0:43:54.778 --> 0:43:56.858 with in the off season. That's who he worked with 0:43:57.018 --> 0:43:59.578 pre draft and down at North Carolina, so I assume 0:43:59.618 --> 0:44:02.938 it would be the same. He is supposed to be 0:44:02.978 --> 0:44:06.058 in the gym working out, he's supposed to be throwing, 0:44:06.098 --> 0:44:08.218 he's supposed to be working on his craft. He's supposed 0:44:08.258 --> 0:44:11.498 to be working with receivers and having passing camps and 0:44:11.538 --> 0:44:14.018 things like that with the receivers away from the facility. 0:44:14.898 --> 0:44:17.978 If he isn't able to do all those things, and 0:44:18.018 --> 0:44:21.178 god forbid, if he's at all limited in training camp 0:44:21.258 --> 0:44:24.618 next year, yeah, that is very detrimental to your twenty 0:44:24.658 --> 0:44:27.658 twenty five season. It could be detrimental to his whole career. 0:44:27.658 --> 0:44:29.938 I don't need to be hyperbolic about it, but it could. 0:44:30.138 --> 0:44:33.418 It could literally derail a lot of his development. So 0:44:33.458 --> 0:44:37.378 that I have big, big fears about. But to segue, 0:44:37.738 --> 0:44:40.418 what I don't have necessarily is big of a fear about. 0:44:40.458 --> 0:44:42.538 And I think we might disagree a little bit on this. 0:44:43.338 --> 0:44:48.218 I am not as gung ho or like married or 0:44:49.458 --> 0:44:53.778 you know, inclined to need the number one overall pick. 0:44:53.898 --> 0:44:57.378 I don't in this particular year. So if there was 0:44:57.418 --> 0:45:02.777 a Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, you know, level quarterback prospect, well, 0:45:02.938 --> 0:45:05.018 in a couple of years, if there was that level 0:45:05.018 --> 0:45:09.178 of quarterback prospect where you knew definitively that you were 0:45:09.178 --> 0:45:11.978 going to get an absolute you know, Andrew Luck, that 0:45:12.058 --> 0:45:14.458 you were going to get an absolute haul for the 0:45:14.538 --> 0:45:17.978 number one overall pick. I'd feel very, very differently. But 0:45:18.138 --> 0:45:20.458 I don't feel as though this is this draft. I 0:45:20.738 --> 0:45:23.018 even if you do get the number one overall pick 0:45:23.458 --> 0:45:25.498 and you do get a partner to trade down with, 0:45:25.698 --> 0:45:27.538 I don't think it's gonna be at the same level. 0:45:27.538 --> 0:45:30.018 I think it's gonna be a discounted sale. Now we'll 0:45:30.018 --> 0:45:31.897 get to that the second because I'd still do it. Yeah, 0:45:31.938 --> 0:45:34.258 I'd still do it, But I don't think that you're 0:45:34.338 --> 0:45:36.978 going to get I don't even think you're gonna get 0:45:37.058 --> 0:45:39.658 what the Bears got from Carolina a couple of years ago. 0:45:39.738 --> 0:45:42.058 I know I think you will. I I we're close 0:45:42.138 --> 0:45:42.498 to it. 0:45:42.738 --> 0:45:44.897 Just because it is the first overall pick, it does 0:45:44.938 --> 0:45:46.777 have inherent value. And at the end of the day, 0:45:47.098 --> 0:45:49.938 you don't need every team to love the top quarterback, 0:45:50.138 --> 0:45:51.698 but you need to get No. 0:45:51.738 --> 0:45:52.978 You don't know, you don't do no. 0:45:53.338 --> 0:45:55.858 You just need one team and a really good negotiating. 0:45:55.418 --> 0:45:57.817 No, you absolutely need multiple teams. You need one team 0:45:57.898 --> 0:46:00.458 a really good negotiating at least need the how many 0:46:00.498 --> 0:46:02.538 facade of multiple how many teams were do you remember 0:46:02.618 --> 0:46:05.058 how many teams were clamoring to get up for Bryce Young? 0:46:05.178 --> 0:46:06.098 It was like three? 0:46:06.378 --> 0:46:09.337 Okay, but that creates a market, like if you if 0:46:09.378 --> 0:46:12.817 there's only one team, Let's say the only team that 0:46:13.018 --> 0:46:15.698 has any interest in drafting Shador Sanders in the top 0:46:15.698 --> 0:46:18.418 ten is the Vegas Raiders for obvious reasons. Yep, it's 0:46:18.458 --> 0:46:20.297 been all over it right like that. He wants to say. 0:46:20.338 --> 0:46:22.098 If you look at it and you say that because 0:46:22.098 --> 0:46:24.138 the Raiders are at eight right now, this is what 0:46:24.218 --> 0:46:26.618 it costs for nine a couple of years ago, pay up. 0:46:26.898 --> 0:46:29.058 And if the Raiders say, we won't, say fine, you're 0:46:29.058 --> 0:46:30.018 not gonna have a quarterback. 0:46:30.498 --> 0:46:32.418 How do you know that they're not gonna have a quarterback? Though? 0:46:32.658 --> 0:46:35.218 Like Shure's not falling to nine if they don't find 0:46:35.258 --> 0:46:38.618 not because should you think is gonna fall the nine? 0:46:39.098 --> 0:46:40.658 You think we're gonna go eight picks without the court? 0:46:40.698 --> 0:46:42.698 I'm sorry, this is not This has bugging the crap 0:46:42.738 --> 0:46:44.538 out of me. It's not twenty twenty two. I think 0:46:44.658 --> 0:46:47.777 these guys are not Kenny Pickett. Shad Sanders is such 0:46:47.818 --> 0:46:49.898 a better prospect I think than Kenny Pickett was. I 0:46:49.938 --> 0:46:52.538 think he's he's a significantly he's a lot closer. 0:46:52.538 --> 0:46:54.978 I'm not young than he is. To Kenny Pickett. I'm 0:46:55.018 --> 0:46:57.898 not giving up anything for Sanders, He's a lot. If 0:46:57.938 --> 0:46:59.458 I'm the Vegas Raiders. 0:46:59.218 --> 0:47:01.777 These teams are so dumb about quarterbacks. 0:47:01.258 --> 0:47:03.218 I hear you. But if I'm the Vegas Raiders, and 0:47:03.258 --> 0:47:06.698 I'm not saying that I wouldn't put a package together. 0:47:07.458 --> 0:47:09.578 But if I'm the Vegas Raiders, I'm putting together a 0:47:10.178 --> 0:47:15.258 realistic package. Not what people want from a Patriots angle, 0:47:15.298 --> 0:47:18.658 not multiple first round picks into the future. I'm putting 0:47:18.738 --> 0:47:21.458 it together, a realistic package. And I'm saying to the Patriots, 0:47:21.618 --> 0:47:23.658 if you don't want to take the deal, We're gonna 0:47:23.698 --> 0:47:26.458 roll the dice, make the Giants take them second over. 0:47:26.738 --> 0:47:28.498 And so all right, you want to talk about the Giants, 0:47:28.538 --> 0:47:30.218 because I think the Giants are gonna do something different 0:47:30.258 --> 0:47:31.058 if they keep table. 0:47:31.218 --> 0:47:37.978 I that clip of It's Shane, right, Joe Shane. Yeah, 0:47:38.098 --> 0:47:41.338 that clip of Joe Shane essentially hanging up on Elliott 0:47:41.338 --> 0:47:44.618 Wolf last year with the or Elliewolf hanging up on 0:47:44.658 --> 0:47:46.658 Joe Shane with the offer for Drake May and Elliot 0:47:46.698 --> 0:47:49.578 Wolf was a million percent right to do that. Yeah, 0:47:50.138 --> 0:47:55.338 in New York Giants land, that clip is like Buckner 0:47:55.418 --> 0:47:57.178 the ball going through Buckner's legs in eighty six to 0:47:57.218 --> 0:48:00.297 Red Sox fans. Joe Shane has had to eat that 0:48:00.378 --> 0:48:03.618 clip from fans from the media all year. If I'm 0:48:03.618 --> 0:48:05.538 the page, because he didn't offer enough to make Because 0:48:05.538 --> 0:48:06.978 he didn't offer enough to make the trade. 0:48:06.818 --> 0:48:08.378 I don't think anything was going to make him make 0:48:08.378 --> 0:48:10.058 the trade. And I don't think so either. Like, obviously 0:48:10.098 --> 0:48:12.138 I don't think so either. If he said if it 0:48:12.178 --> 0:48:15.297 was you know, two three threes three two three three, right, 0:48:15.498 --> 0:48:18.218 it would have to have been something crazy. 0:48:18.258 --> 0:48:22.338 But there's still a frustration that that wasn't made. And 0:48:22.378 --> 0:48:26.178 we know NFL teams are reactive to public perception that 0:48:26.298 --> 0:48:29.538 clip no team should ever do in season off season 0:48:29.538 --> 0:48:33.377 hard knocks. Ever, again, that clip is going to sort 0:48:33.378 --> 0:48:35.658 of be the obituary when the Giants move on from him. 0:48:35.858 --> 0:48:37.018 That's gonna be a big part of it. 0:48:39.858 --> 0:48:42.178 Saying that he's never gonna sleep again if Saquon goes 0:48:42.218 --> 0:48:43.818 to the Eagles, and then he goes to the Eagles, 0:48:43.818 --> 0:48:47.338 and the point being like if I'm the Patriots. 0:48:47.338 --> 0:48:50.337 I'm reminding everybody, you want to risk passing on him, 0:48:50.418 --> 0:48:52.178 you want to risk your job passing on the guy. 0:48:52.418 --> 0:48:56.378 I'm not telling the Patriots. I try. I just think 0:48:56.418 --> 0:48:57.338 it's nuts. 0:48:58.018 --> 0:49:00.378 I don't know my theory, and I don't need to 0:49:00.458 --> 0:49:02.458 kind of be in a hole about it. I think 0:49:02.458 --> 0:49:04.618 there's a certain group of Patriots fans that want Travis 0:49:04.698 --> 0:49:07.218 Hunter so bad but know it's kind of an irresponsible 0:49:07.258 --> 0:49:10.658 pick that their argument is to prove that no pick 0:49:10.738 --> 0:49:13.418 is good and there's nothing else the Patriots can do, 0:49:13.538 --> 0:49:15.658 so they have to take Hunter. And I think that's 0:49:15.698 --> 0:49:18.138 kind of where this quarterback stuff is coming from. Shadur 0:49:18.258 --> 0:49:22.938 Sanders is a legitimate top five quarterback prospect. I think 0:49:23.018 --> 0:49:26.578 cam Ward is a legitimate top five quarterback. 0:49:27.378 --> 0:49:30.698 A single person that that like a single draft you know, 0:49:30.818 --> 0:49:33.378 analysts that does it year round, like Dame Brugler is 0:49:33.378 --> 0:49:35.458 saying that he'd have been quarterback seven for him in 0:49:35.538 --> 0:49:39.098 last year's draft, where Dane Bugler, JJ McCarthy, I don't remember, 0:49:39.178 --> 0:49:41.458 but Hi high okay, but they all had him high, 0:49:41.858 --> 0:49:44.538 like and where'd he go? Okay? Matt Miller just released 0:49:44.578 --> 0:49:47.138 his like first round grades. He has twelve of them 0:49:47.138 --> 0:49:48.698 this year, he said, you know, he doesn't have a lot. 0:49:49.058 --> 0:49:52.818 Neither quarterback is on there. That's crazy. Should here Sanders before? 0:49:52.978 --> 0:49:56.857 So last year, before uh deon kind of started talking 0:49:56.858 --> 0:49:58.658 about who's going back to school when we were really 0:49:58.698 --> 0:50:02.538 talking about Shoulder Sanders in that class, he was QB 0:50:02.658 --> 0:50:05.538 four if not QB three. Okay, so you're gonna take 0:50:05.578 --> 0:50:08.378 a guy that You're gonna take that guy number one overall, 0:50:08.458 --> 0:50:10.538 not not just number one overall. You're gonna trade up 0:50:10.578 --> 0:50:11.298 and you're gonna. 0:50:11.098 --> 0:50:14.818 Get yes, because teams are nuts about the quarterback position. 0:50:15.018 --> 0:50:18.538 But that's so what happened, what happened between last year 0:50:18.538 --> 0:50:20.898 and this year that should Her Sanders suddenly worse because 0:50:20.898 --> 0:50:21.618 he got better. 0:50:22.138 --> 0:50:23.818 He got better between I. 0:50:23.858 --> 0:50:26.618 Don't know why everybody who he is, but no, but 0:50:26.698 --> 0:50:28.817 he But so then what was he last year? 0:50:28.978 --> 0:50:30.178 Because it's night and day. 0:50:30.618 --> 0:50:32.377 He was talked about last year and he's being talked 0:50:32.378 --> 0:50:34.538 about now and it doesn't line up with the product 0:50:34.538 --> 0:50:36.337 on the field. I think everybody just wants to take 0:50:36.378 --> 0:50:39.138 their weird victory lap that this draft class sucks. Is 0:50:39.178 --> 0:50:40.018 it a great class? 0:50:40.098 --> 0:50:40.658 No, it's not. 0:50:40.978 --> 0:50:43.298 But that doesn't mean there's zero good players in it. 0:50:43.338 --> 0:50:45.618 And that seems to be everybody's argument that you'd be 0:50:45.618 --> 0:50:48.018 better off just not picking a player this year, And 0:50:48.058 --> 0:50:49.298 it's mind blowing to me. 0:50:49.418 --> 0:50:51.018 I didn't say that. I didn't say you're better off 0:50:51.098 --> 0:50:53.098 not picking a player. I do think you have to 0:50:53.138 --> 0:50:55.818 be selective in a draft like this because there's a 0:50:55.818 --> 0:51:00.938 lot of guys that, in my opinion, are low ceiling 0:51:01.178 --> 0:51:05.018 maybe high floor, but low ceiling players, and you don't 0:51:05.018 --> 0:51:07.978 want to pick a guy one to one overall who's like, 0:51:08.098 --> 0:51:10.898 at best, is going to be like a functional NFL starter. 0:51:11.058 --> 0:51:14.618 Look right, I'm glad the Patriots didn't punt on quarterback 0:51:14.698 --> 0:51:16.178 last year. I would not want to deal with this 0:51:16.258 --> 0:51:18.698 quarterback class if I was a team. But there are 0:51:18.738 --> 0:51:22.178 general managers, there are coaches out there that need a 0:51:22.298 --> 0:51:25.098 quarterback to save their jobs. That is the nature of 0:51:25.098 --> 0:51:26.297 the position in this league. 0:51:26.338 --> 0:51:29.418 But it's not just saving your job because you're willing, 0:51:30.778 --> 0:51:33.738 is not just taking the quarterback. I believe that Shador 0:51:33.858 --> 0:51:37.058 Sanders will go in the top ten. But if I, 0:51:37.218 --> 0:51:39.578 first of all, if I'm the Giants at you, I'm 0:51:39.618 --> 0:51:43.738 probably strongly considering like a Baker Mayfield Gino Smith type 0:51:43.738 --> 0:51:46.378 of approach where I'm I might look in the veteran 0:51:46.458 --> 0:51:50.738 market at a Sam Darnold. Yeah, or I might call 0:51:50.898 --> 0:51:53.978 Minnesota and ask if JJ McCarthy is available. So all right, 0:51:54.058 --> 0:51:56.698 let me ask you about this chapter said yesterday on ESPN, 0:51:56.778 --> 0:52:00.817 J McCarthy is worth a first plus? What's worth more 0:52:01.258 --> 0:52:06.458 JJ McCarthy or the first pick in the draft in 0:52:06.498 --> 0:52:08.458 this year? It might be JJ McCarthy. 0:52:08.538 --> 0:52:12.018 How is a guy who was ranked behind Sanders last 0:52:12.058 --> 0:52:13.298 year and has since I. 0:52:13.618 --> 0:52:16.498 Tore his acl who was ranking him behind Sanders? 0:52:16.778 --> 0:52:19.138 That was the I remember what the consensus was last 0:52:19.218 --> 0:52:22.018 year when Sanders dropped out. We were talking about Sanders 0:52:22.018 --> 0:52:25.898 in the same breath as May and Daniels and yes. 0:52:25.778 --> 0:52:29.098 We yes, we were, Yes we were. We were people 0:52:29.138 --> 0:52:31.578 talked about. The table was talking about him in the 0:52:31.578 --> 0:52:34.698 same breath as May and Daniel. I remember though, it 0:52:34.818 --> 0:52:38.698 was certainly in the McCarthy knicks. Like you want to 0:52:38.738 --> 0:52:41.297 make the argument that he was quarterback for next year 0:52:41.418 --> 0:52:43.498 or last year, if you put him in last year's class, 0:52:43.578 --> 0:52:46.378 I'm willing to let you make that argument, like you 0:52:46.378 --> 0:52:47.978 would you would put him ahead of Penix. 0:52:49.458 --> 0:52:51.578 Everybody at Penis is a second round pick. Do you 0:52:51.618 --> 0:52:52.218 not remember this? 0:52:52.538 --> 0:52:54.098 You were the one that didn't. So I'm trying to 0:52:54.098 --> 0:52:54.778 give you credit. 0:52:55.138 --> 0:52:58.458 I know, and this is me telling you I have generally, 0:52:58.658 --> 0:53:00.898 have I or have I not been generally? Will Levis 0:53:00.978 --> 0:53:03.298 was another one. I was the one on here. Okay, 0:53:03.338 --> 0:53:07.458 so furious that people are talking about but these guys 0:53:07.738 --> 0:53:10.297 you that you were right on. You're telling me now 0:53:10.338 --> 0:53:12.458 that Shador Sanders is worth the number one overall. 0:53:12.498 --> 0:53:12.698 Pick. 0:53:13.138 --> 0:53:15.538 I feel like he's not telling you. I'm not telling you. 0:53:15.858 --> 0:53:17.818 I'm not telling you he's worth the number one overall. 0:53:17.858 --> 0:53:18.018 Pick. 0:53:18.218 --> 0:53:20.538 I'm telling you that generally have a pretty good understanding 0:53:20.538 --> 0:53:22.418 of how the quarterback market is going to shake out. 0:53:22.698 --> 0:53:24.857 And I'm giving you your flowers for that. But I'm 0:53:24.898 --> 0:53:27.298 also letting you know that the film is the film 0:53:27.498 --> 0:53:30.458 and he is not the film was you cannot if 0:53:30.538 --> 0:53:32.898 you're a general manager. And again I said, if I 0:53:33.018 --> 0:53:35.738 was the Raiders and I really fell in love with Shador, okay, 0:53:36.138 --> 0:53:39.818 I would offer a package to move up to number one. 0:53:39.978 --> 0:53:42.258 I just wouldn't make the offer as good as it was. 0:53:42.498 --> 0:53:45.298 Would have been a couple of years ago for better prospects, 0:53:45.338 --> 0:53:47.338 right like I wouldn't have made the same offer that 0:53:47.418 --> 0:53:50.218 the Bears made for the I keep doing that the 0:53:50.218 --> 0:53:53.858 Panther's made for Bryce Young. If it was like Trevor 0:53:53.938 --> 0:53:58.058 Lawrence's draft or Joe Burrow's draft or one of those situations, 0:53:58.098 --> 0:54:01.738 I wouldn't go there. Like Joe Burrow, if like that 0:54:01.818 --> 0:54:04.858 pick was for sale for the Bengals, like, that's like 0:54:04.938 --> 0:54:07.418 an RG three type trade, right, Like that's like. 0:54:08.218 --> 0:54:10.897 Okay, So I'm not necessarily saying they'll get the same, 0:54:10.938 --> 0:54:14.498 but I think they'll get something significant because again. 0:54:14.418 --> 0:54:18.218 The league is weird about quarterbacks. They don't really look 0:54:18.258 --> 0:54:21.458 at the value of the player specifically himself. 0:54:21.738 --> 0:54:24.817 It's I need a quarterback to save my job. Who 0:54:24.858 --> 0:54:27.498 is the best player available? That is often how the 0:54:27.578 --> 0:54:28.578 league looks at it. 0:54:28.618 --> 0:54:31.337 Sanders is gonna Jam's going to kill you because you're 0:54:31.338 --> 0:54:33.777 gonna go and you're gonna take Shador Sanders. He's not 0:54:33.818 --> 0:54:36.378 gonna be good enough to change the course of your franchise. 0:54:36.578 --> 0:54:38.218 And then the next year that takes over, he's gonna 0:54:38.218 --> 0:54:40.298 have no future first round picks because you trained. 0:54:40.138 --> 0:54:42.858 And how many quarterbacks have been drafted in the exact 0:54:42.938 --> 0:54:44.098 scenario you just laid out. 0:54:44.378 --> 0:54:48.458 So let me ask you this, because we're arguing. Okay, wait, 0:54:48.538 --> 0:54:49.337 let me make one more point. 0:54:49.338 --> 0:54:50.857 Then I'll get to point of ultimately trying to get 0:54:50.858 --> 0:54:54.218 to Okay, if the Patriots trade the first overall pick 0:54:54.258 --> 0:54:56.538 for less than what JJ McCarthy goes for their nuts, 0:54:56.658 --> 0:54:59.418 there's no reason a guy who has won last year 0:54:59.458 --> 0:55:02.618 on his contract and just blew out his knee should 0:55:02.618 --> 0:55:04.538 be worth more than the first overall pick in the 0:55:04.618 --> 0:55:07.018 draft when the quarterback that's most likely to go there 0:55:07.218 --> 0:55:08.738 was ranked ahead of him last year and we were 0:55:08.738 --> 0:55:10.418 doing headdame, true, We're false. 0:55:10.698 --> 0:55:12.738 I don't know if he was ranked ahead. I think 0:55:12.738 --> 0:55:15.578 that everybody's gonna say that JJ McCarthy was a better prospect. 0:55:15.658 --> 0:55:16.578 I'm looking at it right now. 0:55:16.578 --> 0:55:19.138 The last big book, the last consensus big board from 0:55:19.218 --> 0:55:22.138 last year that j Sanders was on, had him seventeenth. 0:55:22.218 --> 0:55:23.898 I don't know where McCarthy was at that point, but 0:55:24.058 --> 0:55:25.298 I don't think he was seventeenth. 0:55:25.338 --> 0:55:28.578 Okay, So let me ask you this, because we're gonna 0:55:28.658 --> 0:55:31.458 argue on yeah, for the next six months about this subject. 0:55:31.898 --> 0:55:35.018 Let me ask you this, what is a realistic trade 0:55:35.378 --> 0:55:38.258 that you would accept as the Patriots, Because to me, 0:55:38.698 --> 0:55:42.178 the realistic trade that I would look at is probably 0:55:43.018 --> 0:55:45.458 obviously your swapping picks this year in the first round 0:55:45.938 --> 0:55:49.298 I would get a twenty twenty five Day two pick, 0:55:49.338 --> 0:55:51.538 like a second or third round pick this year, on 0:55:51.618 --> 0:55:54.898 top of that a first round pick next year twenty 0:55:54.938 --> 0:55:57.978 twenty six first, and maybe if you could pry it 0:55:57.978 --> 0:56:00.618 out of them like a twenty twenty six third. So okay, 0:56:00.778 --> 0:56:04.538 that well, So it's basically the Panthers Bears trade without 0:56:04.618 --> 0:56:05.258 DJ Moore. 0:56:05.378 --> 0:56:09.938 So this goes to my take about Sunday's game. Yeah, 0:56:10.738 --> 0:56:15.938 I the first getting the first overall pick this year 0:56:16.658 --> 0:56:18.578 is not about this offseason. 0:56:19.498 --> 0:56:22.297 It's really about such a U take. Just listen. I'm 0:56:22.338 --> 0:56:24.298 not saying you're wrong, but it's just it's. 0:56:24.178 --> 0:56:26.777 Really about because I this is what I this is 0:56:26.778 --> 0:56:29.178 what you got to do all your film stuff all 0:56:29.298 --> 0:56:29.738 year and. 0:56:29.698 --> 0:56:33.658 Talk about DV and whatever. Okay, and I mostly let. 0:56:33.658 --> 0:56:34.098 You do it. 0:56:34.298 --> 0:56:35.898 I like Sean McDonough by the way. 0:56:36.178 --> 0:56:38.378 I think he's good. Test the tour was awesome yesterday. Okay, 0:56:38.378 --> 0:56:39.138 I know people don't like it. 0:56:39.258 --> 0:56:40.417 No one knows what we're talking about. 0:56:40.698 --> 0:56:45.018 Sunday is about the off season in twenty twenty six. Agreed, 0:56:45.538 --> 0:56:49.138 it's they can do what they need to do this 0:56:49.258 --> 0:56:52.858 off season without the first overall pick. Agree or disagree, 0:56:52.858 --> 0:56:54.658 they can have the off season they need to have. Okay, 0:56:54.858 --> 0:56:58.297 so when you talk about a trade, obviously you're you're 0:56:58.338 --> 0:57:00.698 swapping picks, right, I'm getting whatever I get back. And 0:57:00.778 --> 0:57:02.138 some of this is how far are you moving down? 0:57:02.178 --> 0:57:03.897 You're moving to four, you move in to eight. Right. 0:57:05.258 --> 0:57:08.897 The next ask for me is a future first. Yep, 0:57:08.978 --> 0:57:11.738 that is the most important asset the Patriots can get. 0:57:11.898 --> 0:57:15.178 Absolutely after that, and this is where I people think 0:57:15.218 --> 0:57:17.098 maybe I'm trying to pump up the draft class more 0:57:17.138 --> 0:57:19.818 than more than I should. My next ask after the 0:57:19.858 --> 0:57:23.938 future first is a future second. Okay, that's I would 0:57:24.058 --> 0:57:28.578 rather have a second, right, But I think I agree 0:57:28.578 --> 0:57:31.378 with you. But isn't every isn't every GM gonna know 0:57:31.858 --> 0:57:35.018 that the picks in twenty twenty six are more valuable. Well, 0:57:35.138 --> 0:57:40.778 the idea would be, if you're drafting a quarterback, and 0:57:40.858 --> 0:57:42.858 also one other take, you might get a haul for 0:57:42.858 --> 0:57:45.698 Travis Hunter two. But if you're drafting a quarterback. 0:57:46.058 --> 0:57:46.338 Crazy. 0:57:46.538 --> 0:57:48.418 If you're drafting quarterback, the idea is you're going to 0:57:48.458 --> 0:57:50.338 be better. You want to be the commanders, right, Yeah, 0:57:51.138 --> 0:57:54.698 would you rather give up the thirty fifth pick in 0:57:54.698 --> 0:57:58.098 this draft or the fifty fifth pick in next year's draft? 0:57:58.218 --> 0:58:01.018 Well? And we know that this is how it works. 0:58:01.978 --> 0:58:04.138 You might think that the player at fifty five next 0:58:04.178 --> 0:58:05.058 year is going to be better. 0:58:04.898 --> 0:58:06.818 Than Okay, so that it comes down to that, So 0:58:07.338 --> 0:58:08.818 run me through your trade again. 0:58:08.858 --> 0:58:11.538 Okay, it's just again, it's just Yeah. Basically, the Bears 0:58:11.578 --> 0:58:13.818 Panthers trade from a couple of years ago for Bryce 0:58:13.898 --> 0:58:16.858 Young without Dj Moore. So it's swap your first ye 0:58:17.218 --> 0:58:19.858 give a future first round pick, a second round pick 0:58:19.898 --> 0:58:21.258 this year, and a third next year. 0:58:22.018 --> 0:58:26.178 So at that point what I would rather do, keep 0:58:27.378 --> 0:58:30.178 the third and get a player I would rather get. 0:58:30.458 --> 0:58:34.778 I'd rather get a player too, Yeah, but not living 0:58:34.778 --> 0:58:37.098 in La La Land. Yeah, I don't think the value 0:58:37.178 --> 0:58:40.818 is necessarily there. Now, if you're telling me that the 0:58:41.218 --> 0:58:46.658 player you're getting back is Jakobe Myers, like a good player, 0:58:46.698 --> 0:58:48.178 but not a not Max Crosby. 0:58:48.858 --> 0:58:50.778 Well, so when we do the Raiders and am I've 0:58:50.778 --> 0:58:51.898 looked at? Is Colton Miller? 0:58:52.418 --> 0:58:54.698 Sure? But I don't that one. I find really hard 0:58:54.698 --> 0:58:56.658 to believe that they would do. He's a twenty nine 0:58:56.698 --> 0:59:00.098 year old tackle, he's very good, and you're drafting a 0:59:00.178 --> 0:59:02.258 rookie quarterback and now you're not gonna have a blindside 0:59:02.258 --> 0:59:04.338 protector and you're not gonna have any assets to get one, 0:59:04.378 --> 0:59:08.738 And I think, yeah, he's entering a contract here. Okay, 0:59:08.778 --> 0:59:11.018 but again, like, where's your left tackle coming from? 0:59:11.058 --> 0:59:13.338 But are you gonna pay a thirty year old tack? 0:59:13.418 --> 0:59:15.378 He's a pre agent, right, are you gonna pay a 0:59:15.378 --> 0:59:16.138 thirty year old tackle? 0:59:16.498 --> 0:59:18.218 Just did it with Garret Bowles? All right, fair enough, 0:59:18.258 --> 0:59:22.578 same scenario. So I think you're right. It's it's first, second, 0:59:22.618 --> 0:59:23.258 first third. 0:59:23.418 --> 0:59:27.538 Yeah, Honestly, to me, even if you're like, let's say 0:59:27.538 --> 0:59:31.338 it's the Giants, right, let's say you're moving down one spot, swap, 0:59:31.338 --> 0:59:32.978 give me next year's first, I'm done. I don't need 0:59:32.978 --> 0:59:35.618 any more picks in that I would. 0:59:35.818 --> 0:59:38.178 I would like a Day two pick. It doesn't I'd 0:59:38.218 --> 0:59:40.218 like it. It doesn't have to be my full trade. 0:59:40.218 --> 0:59:42.098 Like if you only get one more Day two back, 0:59:42.498 --> 0:59:46.658 I'm okay. I am with you, though in general that 0:59:48.178 --> 0:59:51.178 I'm not saying that you roll over in negotiations. But 0:59:51.458 --> 0:59:55.658 I'm not necessarily gonna be too upset. You know, if 0:59:55.698 --> 0:59:57.978 they take a little bit of a discount because of 0:59:57.978 --> 1:00:00.818 the year, because of the draft class, I still would 1:00:00.858 --> 1:00:02.818 do it. I still think it's more important to get 1:00:02.818 --> 1:00:04.978 the package of picks to not do it at all. 1:00:05.018 --> 1:00:08.858 I think the prize here is twenty twenty twenty six. 1:00:08.938 --> 1:00:11.698 If they get that and obviously swap, you can't move 1:00:11.698 --> 1:00:12.538 out of the first round. 1:00:12.578 --> 1:00:15.498 The sea and I so the Fred and I got 1:00:15.538 --> 1:00:17.578 in and I don't know how far. 1:00:17.698 --> 1:00:20.538 So there's two trades in the last twenty five years 1:00:20.578 --> 1:00:23.738 of the first overall pick. One was the Bears Panthers 1:00:23.738 --> 1:00:27.418 back time. Yeah, the Titans moved back to fifteen, right, 1:00:27.858 --> 1:00:30.538 I think the furthest I go back is mate. So 1:00:30.458 --> 1:00:35.138 so let's say the Raiders fall to nine, which is realistic. Yeah, first, second, 1:00:35.258 --> 1:00:38.818 future first, and then one of Max Crosby or Colton Miller. 1:00:39.618 --> 1:00:40.698 That's a lot. That's a lot. 1:00:40.698 --> 1:00:42.178 But you're moving all the way back to nine. So 1:00:42.258 --> 1:00:44.938 now you probably don't have a shot at Banks, Carter 1:00:45.338 --> 1:00:49.538 or Campbell. If I'm going to pass on Banks, Carter 1:00:49.578 --> 1:00:51.378 and Campbell, I need a ship player. 1:00:51.578 --> 1:00:54.018 I guess I'm not totally sold. You're so you're saying 1:00:54.178 --> 1:00:55.818 goodbye to the to the two linemen. 1:00:55.938 --> 1:00:59.898 But at nine, yeah, okay, because I I think so, well, 1:00:59.978 --> 1:01:02.298 let me put it this way, probably if if at 1:01:02.378 --> 1:01:04.618 least one of them, but but if they fall that 1:01:04.698 --> 1:01:07.098 far they're probably guards, at which point the Patriots probably 1:01:07.098 --> 1:01:07.938 shouldn't be interested. 1:01:08.778 --> 1:01:11.658 Maybe. I mean, like Olufushanu went around there last year, 1:01:11.778 --> 1:01:16.018 you know, like Telesia, but he was the third tackle. Yeah, 1:01:16.098 --> 1:01:19.138 that's that's That's the rub about this class is that 1:01:19.218 --> 1:01:21.578 there's not that talent. So that's so that's why I 1:01:21.578 --> 1:01:22.578 wouldn't move that far. 1:01:22.698 --> 1:01:25.458 So that's why move wouldn't move that far down unless 1:01:26.018 --> 1:01:28.458 I get like a player, right, because if you get 1:01:28.698 --> 1:01:31.338 Colton Miller, I don't mind that I passed on Will 1:01:31.378 --> 1:01:34.658 Campbell and Calvin Brice, right, so I know, but that's 1:01:34.698 --> 1:01:36.658 just the point. Yeah, I would try to stay in 1:01:36.658 --> 1:01:39.298 that four to five range. And if it's just swap 1:01:39.458 --> 1:01:43.018 next year's first and and then maybe it's give me 1:01:43.058 --> 1:01:45.298 a Day two pick this year next year second, third, 1:01:45.378 --> 1:01:47.778 like whatever you throw that in, I'd probably be good 1:01:47.778 --> 1:01:50.738 with that. The real prize is that twenty twenty five first, 1:01:51.578 --> 1:01:54.018 twenty six first, and then if you really want to 1:01:54.018 --> 1:01:55.898 get nuts and you really want to stretch this out, Evan, 1:01:56.538 --> 1:01:58.978 you have two first next year you trade down from 1:01:58.978 --> 1:01:59.458 one of those. 1:01:59.538 --> 1:02:00.938 Okay, we can get to that next you. 1:02:00.898 --> 1:02:06.058 Now, wait, Jeremiah Smith, Yeah, it is Jeremiah Smith like 1:02:06.098 --> 1:02:07.658 everything you've ever wanted what we have. 1:02:08.698 --> 1:02:09.218 Is he your fair? 1:02:09.218 --> 1:02:09.538 All right? 1:02:09.938 --> 1:02:10.298 He is? 1:02:10.338 --> 1:02:11.018 He is? 1:02:11.018 --> 1:02:12.138 He already your favorite. 1:02:11.898 --> 1:02:14.098 Draft hospital We'll get it. We'll get to it. 1:02:14.138 --> 1:02:16.858 I want your Jeremiah say something nice about Jeremiah smith Man. 1:02:16.858 --> 1:02:19.138 There's too many things to say nice about Jeremiah Smith. 1:02:19.298 --> 1:02:21.978 I'm gonna make you choose between Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams. 1:02:22.018 --> 1:02:23.098 I think I already have a choice. 1:02:23.258 --> 1:02:23.378 Uh. 1:02:23.738 --> 1:02:27.338 Anyways, I I'm with you. I still do the trade 1:02:27.378 --> 1:02:31.578 even if it is perceived, you know, perceived from relatively 1:02:31.578 --> 1:02:33.738 speaking to other drafts as a little bit of a 1:02:34.018 --> 1:02:35.938 of a discount, a little bit of pennies on the dollar. 1:02:36.178 --> 1:02:38.658 I still think it's worth their while to do the 1:02:38.698 --> 1:02:42.298 trade down because I don't. I hate, hate, hate the 1:02:42.418 --> 1:02:46.698 idea of taking being forced into taking somebody one one 1:02:47.098 --> 1:02:48.778 this year for the Patriots. I don't want to take 1:02:48.818 --> 1:02:52.258 anybody at one one. I don't. I just don't. Travis 1:02:52.338 --> 1:02:56.818 Hunter awesome talent, scares the crap out of me. Like, 1:02:56.898 --> 1:03:00.178 what is he? Where does he play? What coaching staff 1:03:00.218 --> 1:03:01.058 are you giving him to? 1:03:01.258 --> 1:03:01.458 Yeah? 1:03:01.898 --> 1:03:04.218 It just bad you've come around on that team. That 1:03:04.338 --> 1:03:06.578 terrifies me. I still think he could play a receiver 1:03:06.658 --> 1:03:09.178 in the league. I still lean towards him being a 1:03:09.178 --> 1:03:11.258 better corner, but I think he's gonna want to play receive. 1:03:11.338 --> 1:03:14.338 Everything I've heard is the league is drafting him as 1:03:14.338 --> 1:03:14.658 a corner. 1:03:14.778 --> 1:03:16.738 Yeah, but he wants to play receiver. I know he does, 1:03:16.818 --> 1:03:21.698 but yeah, he wants to play both ways. Right, I'm 1:03:21.738 --> 1:03:24.658 coming around if I had, like you know that that 1:03:24.738 --> 1:03:27.138 guns your head, you have to take somebody one one. 1:03:27.298 --> 1:03:29.498 I am coming around a little bit to Abdul Carter 1:03:29.898 --> 1:03:33.698 because the biggest reason won Walker take it is a 1:03:33.698 --> 1:03:35.898 little bit, but I think Abdul Carter has more college 1:03:35.898 --> 1:03:39.298 production than Trayvon Walker did. I think the biggest reason why, though, 1:03:39.378 --> 1:03:42.618 is because I I want a super athlete. If I'm 1:03:42.618 --> 1:03:44.538 gonna have to draft somebody there, I want him to 1:03:44.538 --> 1:03:47.378 at least be a unicorn athletically. And I do think 1:03:47.538 --> 1:03:50.498 that Hunter and Abdul Carter both checked that box. So 1:03:50.538 --> 1:03:54.018 at least there's that, But their projection is murky in 1:03:54.138 --> 1:03:57.218 terms of Hunter especially, but even Carter. You know he's 1:03:57.218 --> 1:03:59.458 gonna be like a six ' to two, two hundred 1:03:59.498 --> 1:04:02.778 and forty five pound edge rusher, you know in this system, 1:04:02.858 --> 1:04:04.938 like what He's not gonna set the edge right, Like, 1:04:05.018 --> 1:04:06.778 it's not that he's not gonna be that kind of guy. 1:04:07.258 --> 1:04:08.898 So how do they use him? You know, how do 1:04:08.978 --> 1:04:11.418 they develop his pass rush toolbox? I think is really 1:04:11.418 --> 1:04:13.698 big too, because he's still a little bit raw after 1:04:13.738 --> 1:04:16.858 playing inside most of his career at Penn State and 1:04:16.858 --> 1:04:19.218 then playing on the line of scrimmage mostly this year. Like, 1:04:19.258 --> 1:04:22.178 he's still developing as a pass rusher. But the tools 1:04:22.218 --> 1:04:24.098 are the tools. I mean, he's a shot out of 1:04:24.098 --> 1:04:28.378 the cannon freak. But I still would just do the 1:04:28.378 --> 1:04:31.578 trade down to your point of how far down would 1:04:31.578 --> 1:04:35.858 you go? Yeah, I am trading down I and my 1:04:35.938 --> 1:04:39.138 two targets. When in a trade down, yep, I would 1:04:39.258 --> 1:04:41.858 love to say that Carter would still be on the 1:04:41.858 --> 1:04:44.538 board for you. Like, let's say it goes you know, 1:04:44.898 --> 1:04:49.178 quarterback hunter. You know, Mason Graham and Will Johnson are 1:04:49.178 --> 1:04:49.938 still sitting there. 1:04:50.178 --> 1:04:52.738 I don't think Mason Graham's going before Abdell Carter. 1:04:53.098 --> 1:04:56.298 Probably not. So maybe if you're at like three or four, 1:04:56.538 --> 1:04:58.778 you could maybe still talk about Abdol Carter being. 1:04:58.738 --> 1:05:03.178 Okay, if you're at four, you're gonna get one of. 1:05:03.178 --> 1:05:05.578 Carter Hunter, right, I truly believe that, So I like 1:05:05.658 --> 1:05:07.258 that that's where I sort of. 1:05:07.178 --> 1:05:09.058 Like, I think three or four is the sweet spot. 1:05:09.138 --> 1:05:11.658 I will remind people to the Browns do have all 1:05:11.698 --> 1:05:14.978 their picks back? Yeah, after the now there may be 1:05:14.978 --> 1:05:17.298 more of a day two quarterback team because they restructured 1:05:17.338 --> 1:05:19.658 Rogers contract. We were talking so you I was talking 1:05:19.658 --> 1:05:21.858 earlier about Drew Aller like that may be a landing 1:05:21.898 --> 1:05:25.218 spot for Drew Aller. The other question in this because 1:05:25.218 --> 1:05:26.818 I've been getting this a lot, and I asked you 1:05:26.858 --> 1:05:28.258 off the air where you stand, but just for you 1:05:28.298 --> 1:05:29.498 to give your take on the air. 1:05:29.378 --> 1:05:32.058 Can I give one more We're on that real quick. Yeah. 1:05:32.538 --> 1:05:34.338 The two guys that I'm looking at right now for 1:05:34.378 --> 1:05:36.938 the Patriots and Hunters his own thing, Like I think 1:05:37.018 --> 1:05:40.698 Hunter is you need to be organizationally aligned to draft 1:05:40.698 --> 1:05:42.858 a guy like Travis Hunter, that this is what he is, 1:05:42.978 --> 1:05:44.778 this is how we're going to play him, this is 1:05:44.778 --> 1:05:47.938 how we're going to manage it whatever. And frankly, with 1:05:48.018 --> 1:05:50.018 the state of the Patriots, I'm not sure that that 1:05:50.258 --> 1:05:53.498 organization that take a couple of weeks ago. So the 1:05:53.498 --> 1:05:57.778 two guys on the it's a take, welcome to it. 1:05:58.298 --> 1:06:02.098 What I'm looking at right now. Kelvin Banks, Abdul Carter, 1:06:02.338 --> 1:06:06.898 right like, whichever one doesn't, whichever doesn't go your way 1:06:06.898 --> 1:06:09.218 in free agency, right right, Like if you don't get 1:06:09.218 --> 1:06:10.938 the pass rusher in free agency or you don't get 1:06:10.938 --> 1:06:13.658 the tackle, whichever way it goes in free agency, I 1:06:13.658 --> 1:06:16.058 think you have a plug and play starter on the 1:06:16.098 --> 1:06:18.058 line or an impact past I'm with. 1:06:18.258 --> 1:06:20.298 I want a line of scrimmage player, one side the 1:06:20.338 --> 1:06:22.698 ball or the other trenches out. Remind me where you're 1:06:22.738 --> 1:06:23.458 at on Campbell. 1:06:24.898 --> 1:06:26.858 If his arms are checked off, then I'm in. 1:06:27.258 --> 1:06:29.458 But so would you put him in that group? 1:06:29.858 --> 1:06:32.818 If if he's even if it's like thirty two and 1:06:32.898 --> 1:06:35.138 seven eight, just get me as close to thirty three 1:06:35.178 --> 1:06:37.498 as you possibly can. I mean the clip that's going 1:06:37.498 --> 1:06:39.778 around of his answer at the press, like, that guy's 1:06:39.818 --> 1:06:41.898 just gonna be. He's gonna be an NFL football player 1:06:41.938 --> 1:06:43.378 for a decade. I don't know if it's gonna be 1:06:43.378 --> 1:06:46.218 inside or outside, but he's gonna make an offensive line better. 1:06:46.258 --> 1:06:48.578 He's gonna be a captain. Like he's gonna be sounds 1:06:48.618 --> 1:06:51.778 like Matthew McConaughey too. He's okay, he doesn't ad a 1:06:51.818 --> 1:06:56.578 little bit. He's gonna be an absolute stud in your 1:06:56.658 --> 1:07:00.298 locker room. In your on your football field everywhere. I 1:07:00.418 --> 1:07:02.578 just don't know where on the football field he's gonna be. 1:07:02.658 --> 1:07:05.138 So I'm with you, and like, if they walk away 1:07:05.298 --> 1:07:08.178 with Carter Banks and then Campbell with the astrisk with 1:07:08.218 --> 1:07:10.698 the arms right, Yeah, if they walk away with Carter 1:07:10.818 --> 1:07:15.378 Banks or tackle Will Campbell, Yeah that good. 1:07:15.538 --> 1:07:16.658 They did the job. Yeah. 1:07:16.658 --> 1:07:18.458 And then just if they get the first over but 1:07:18.658 --> 1:07:20.858 they can do that without the first overall pick, which 1:07:20.898 --> 1:07:23.178 goes back to my take of the first overall picks 1:07:23.178 --> 1:07:25.658 really about the twenty twenty six offseason, not twenty twenty five. 1:07:26.098 --> 1:07:29.018 So we're talking about spots to trade down, right, Tennessee 1:07:29.058 --> 1:07:31.418 at two seems like a spot. Cleveland at three seems 1:07:31.418 --> 1:07:33.538 like a spot. Giants at Fords it stands right now, 1:07:34.258 --> 1:07:37.098 Vegas at eight, I wouldn't go down to ten. Maybe 1:07:37.098 --> 1:07:39.098 New Orleans somehow slips a couple spots that I could 1:07:39.098 --> 1:07:39.898 be quarterback team. 1:07:40.898 --> 1:07:41.298 Would you? 1:07:41.498 --> 1:07:43.458 And I'm not talking about Fred's trade, I'm talking about 1:07:43.498 --> 1:07:46.458 swat picks, the trade we've been talking about. Would you 1:07:46.458 --> 1:07:48.178 trade the first overall pick in the division to the 1:07:48.218 --> 1:07:49.818 New York Jets. 1:07:50.858 --> 1:07:54.058 I lean towards yes, because I don't. 1:07:53.898 --> 1:07:55.098 Know you've changed your mind. 1:07:55.218 --> 1:07:56.698 Did I change them? Yeah, I text you about this 1:07:56.698 --> 1:07:59.738 the other day. I always, I always, like, am inclined 1:07:59.778 --> 1:08:03.218 to say no. But I don't really think very highly 1:08:03.258 --> 1:08:06.098 of Shador and I kind of feel like giving him 1:08:06.098 --> 1:08:10.178 to the Jets might actually be like kind of sabotaging 1:08:10.218 --> 1:08:12.018 the Jets in a way. I would not do it. 1:08:12.338 --> 1:08:16.218 So maybe if the Jets were at like three, I would, Yeah, 1:08:16.938 --> 1:08:20.577 on the off chance, or is a guy you put 1:08:20.617 --> 1:08:22.898 an elite quarterback on your schedule twice a year for 1:08:22.978 --> 1:08:24.577 ten years, there's no coming back. 1:08:24.738 --> 1:08:27.858 Now there's no coming back. I probably still say no, 1:08:28.098 --> 1:08:29.817 but I do find it funny now that they could 1:08:29.818 --> 1:08:31.777 hand him a overdrafted quarterback. 1:08:31.858 --> 1:08:33.857 Now, well, if I so, I made this joke yesterday 1:08:33.898 --> 1:08:35.737 because you know my take on Will Howard, Right, that's 1:08:35.738 --> 1:08:37.978 some NFLT. If you find out the Jets want Will 1:08:38.018 --> 1:08:41.697 Howard find have the pick. But if that being said, 1:08:41.697 --> 1:08:44.697 if I'm Elliott Wolf or whoever's in charge, right, I 1:08:44.778 --> 1:08:48.338 am leaking to everybody everybody under the sun that I'm 1:08:48.338 --> 1:08:51.538 taking the Jets call, and I'm taking the Jets call. Yeah, 1:08:51.577 --> 1:08:54.017 and I'm using that to leverage these other teams. I'm 1:08:54.058 --> 1:08:55.577 not trading it to the Jets, but I'm not letting 1:08:55.577 --> 1:08:57.298 the Jets know that I'm not trading it to the Jets. 1:08:57.378 --> 1:08:59.138 All right, let's open it up because I know these 1:08:59.138 --> 1:09:01.657 people have been waiting and we're getting inundated with emails. 1:09:01.697 --> 1:09:04.017 That's the right word, right, We got lots of emails, Yes, 1:09:04.058 --> 1:09:06.618 we got calls. We got lots of emails. 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All right? 1:10:11.737 --> 1:10:16.338 So Elevan your favorite time favorite discussion draft talk o kah. 1:10:16.378 --> 1:10:19.737 First off, Alex, I gotta tell you you can't compare 1:10:19.777 --> 1:10:22.218 that Packer's team to this Patriots team. That Packer's team 1:10:22.258 --> 1:10:25.058 went fifteen to one and we are abysmal. 1:10:25.418 --> 1:10:26.777 Yeah, but when else am I gonna get to talk 1:10:26.777 --> 1:10:27.537 about Matt Flynn? 1:10:29.497 --> 1:10:29.977 Good point? 1:10:30.058 --> 1:10:33.258 Good point? But you know that hey, that game made 1:10:33.298 --> 1:10:35.418 that dude a lot of money, so it props to him. 1:10:36.737 --> 1:10:40.017 So I just want to say one thing to you, Evan, 1:10:40.338 --> 1:10:43.338 and then give you my the combos that I want. 1:10:44.058 --> 1:10:46.977 Never underestimate how stupid the Raiders are. Evan. I don't 1:10:46.978 --> 1:10:50.537 care that Tom Brady's in that organization. If Mark Davis 1:10:50.537 --> 1:10:54.298 wants Shador Sanders and we're sitting there at one, I 1:10:54.298 --> 1:10:56.537 would give it to him, you know, because I think 1:10:56.537 --> 1:10:58.977 we can get a first round pick, like you were saying, 1:10:59.178 --> 1:11:01.577 a future first round pick, swat picks, and a second 1:11:01.657 --> 1:11:04.937 round pick this year, and that'd be good enough for me. 1:11:04.978 --> 1:11:07.058 And I would take Banks if he's there. But I 1:11:07.098 --> 1:11:10.258 want to come away with a combination of one of 1:11:10.258 --> 1:11:14.378 these two players, either Banks and Jack Sawyer. I don't 1:11:14.378 --> 1:11:15.697 care if you've got to trade up to the first 1:11:15.737 --> 1:11:18.418 round to get him. But the guy I'm really I 1:11:18.497 --> 1:11:23.418 really want now is Abdul Carter because our defense sucks. 1:11:23.458 --> 1:11:25.657 And part of the reason why our defense sucks is 1:11:25.978 --> 1:11:28.737 we cannot generate a pass rush and we need a 1:11:28.777 --> 1:11:32.418 friggin dude, and that guy is a dude. Get him 1:11:32.577 --> 1:11:36.338 and trade up and try and get Connolly. So if 1:11:36.338 --> 1:11:38.298 we can get a combination of one of those two things, 1:11:38.338 --> 1:11:41.017 I'll wike away from this draft happy. That's all I got. 1:11:41.258 --> 1:11:43.617 Thanks it takes I feel like this is starting to 1:11:43.617 --> 1:11:45.138 become a little bit of group think, which is not 1:11:45.298 --> 1:11:50.657 an insult, you know, Abdul Carter or Banks, and then 1:11:50.897 --> 1:11:53.178 trading back up into the end of the first round 1:11:53.258 --> 1:11:55.258 to get whatever you don't get right and I I 1:11:55.617 --> 1:11:57.777 love to take And that's kind of where I am 1:11:57.777 --> 1:12:00.937 settled at this point. I sent you my little offseason plan. 1:12:01.018 --> 1:12:03.937 I think i'll tell you the next week. Jack was 1:12:05.138 --> 1:12:08.697 in that role. He was really freaking. I thought he's 1:12:08.697 --> 1:12:11.378 gonna be a second round pick after that game. Maybe not. Yeah, 1:12:11.418 --> 1:12:14.378 he's ranked pretty low on our consensus website. I saw. 1:12:14.418 --> 1:12:17.057 I think they have an updated yet for yesterday's game. 1:12:17.178 --> 1:12:18.458 He's gonna I threw that out. 1:12:18.537 --> 1:12:20.378 I was thinking of throwing that out there too, because 1:12:20.378 --> 1:12:22.537 I like a couple of those guys. You know, I 1:12:22.577 --> 1:12:24.418 don't feel like you could ever go wrong with drafting 1:12:24.497 --> 1:12:26.777 talent from Ohio State, Like, do you know it's crazy? 1:12:27.378 --> 1:12:29.258 The two guys on Ohio State who are probably the 1:12:29.258 --> 1:12:31.857 best NFL prospects, neither one of them is draft out. 1:12:32.138 --> 1:12:33.537 I will get to it in a second. 1:12:33.657 --> 1:12:36.497 Well, I want to know if you watch Caleb Downs too, 1:12:37.458 --> 1:12:40.017 I don't think so. So if we're allow me for 1:12:40.058 --> 1:12:42.737 a second, Okay, twenty twenty five draft, we're done. 1:12:42.857 --> 1:12:43.097 No. 1:12:43.218 --> 1:12:45.097 Number one for the Patriots on the twenty twenty six 1:12:45.178 --> 1:12:47.298 draft board right now, and hopefully they're not picking this high. 1:12:47.338 --> 1:12:50.897 But Caleb Downs what position is safety? He was like 1:12:51.338 --> 1:12:55.137 Nick Saban's favorite, one of Nick Saban's favorite recruits ever. 1:12:55.537 --> 1:12:57.857 And then when Sabin retired, he transferred to Ohio State 1:12:57.897 --> 1:13:00.298 this year. Yeah, and he's like the guy. He does 1:13:00.378 --> 1:13:04.017 everything on that Ohio State defense. He's the only he 1:13:04.098 --> 1:13:06.617 was the only unanimous All American playing in the Rose 1:13:06.657 --> 1:13:08.737 Bowl yesterday. But he's a true sophomore. If he was 1:13:08.737 --> 1:13:10.897 in this draft, he's easily a top ten, probably a 1:13:10.897 --> 1:13:11.537 top five pick. 1:13:11.737 --> 1:13:15.258 So I always, I'm always with the Buckeyes, right. I 1:13:15.258 --> 1:13:18.657 feel like that's been almost neglected by the Patriots for 1:13:18.697 --> 1:13:23.057 some probably weird like Ohio State bias Nate Abner. Yeah, 1:13:23.098 --> 1:13:25.418 besides Nate Ebner, like we need some more Buckeyes here, 1:13:25.537 --> 1:13:26.657 that's where the talent is. 1:13:26.937 --> 1:13:28.418 Well maybe if a Buckeyes head coach. 1:13:28.697 --> 1:13:33.418 So yeah, that's true. Jack Sawyer a maan, But yeah, 1:13:33.458 --> 1:13:36.098 I really liked this idea in my opinion, and I 1:13:36.098 --> 1:13:37.977 think they tried to pull it off last year and 1:13:38.018 --> 1:13:41.418 they just couldn't do it. Of trading, you know, you're 1:13:41.458 --> 1:13:44.458 gonna be at probably what thirty three, thirty four, thirty 1:13:44.497 --> 1:13:47.298 five something like that at the top of the second round. 1:13:47.537 --> 1:13:49.777 I would love to make two first round picks, especially 1:13:49.817 --> 1:13:51.737 in a year like this where it's a really thin 1:13:51.897 --> 1:13:54.097 draft at the top, like you might as well get 1:13:54.138 --> 1:13:57.897 two guys that are you know, consensus, you know, first 1:13:57.978 --> 1:14:00.977 rounders in this class. So there's a couple of guys 1:14:01.018 --> 1:14:03.697 that fit that bill to me, you know, Connorly certainly 1:14:03.737 --> 1:14:05.418 one of them if you don't get the tackle early, 1:14:06.258 --> 1:14:07.777 and I have a couple of others, but I want 1:14:07.777 --> 1:14:10.017 to save that for for recency bias here at the end. 1:14:10.018 --> 1:14:13.497 But yeah, I'm with Patty about that trade up. I 1:14:13.497 --> 1:14:16.258 feel like if you trade down, yeah, and then you 1:14:16.298 --> 1:14:18.817 accumulate the assets, and then you use one of those 1:14:18.857 --> 1:14:20.377 assets to then trade. 1:14:20.138 --> 1:14:23.178 Back up and they still right from the judn't trade, 1:14:23.218 --> 1:14:23.617 so then you. 1:14:23.577 --> 1:14:26.337 Make two first round picks. All right, Sean is in Florida. 1:14:26.338 --> 1:14:31.137 What's up Sean? Sean? Guys, Hey, how you doing. 1:14:31.018 --> 1:14:34.737 A great a happy New Year? I hope you both 1:14:34.737 --> 1:14:36.577 had a happy hanakah. 1:14:36.657 --> 1:14:40.298 Thank you to Joan, you know, welcome well. 1:14:40.338 --> 1:14:42.697 I hear a lot of talk about Joe Milton playing 1:14:43.657 --> 1:14:46.697 on Sunday, and it makes sense. One argument I haven't 1:14:46.737 --> 1:14:50.378 heard yet is something I wanted to bring up that 1:14:50.657 --> 1:14:52.897 we don't know if we're said it's going to be 1:14:52.937 --> 1:14:57.017 back next year. So, like Alex, you mentioned the Bills 1:14:57.018 --> 1:14:59.178 don't know much about Joe Milton to the Patriots. I 1:14:59.178 --> 1:15:01.337 want to see if this guy can run our offense. 1:15:01.617 --> 1:15:05.338 Can he be a backup next year? And Alex also, 1:15:05.857 --> 1:15:08.857 I like you're trying to get to the twenty twenty 1:15:08.897 --> 1:15:11.897 seven draft. I think that's going to be a good 1:15:11.897 --> 1:15:14.178 one because the Patriots, let's face if they're not a 1:15:14.178 --> 1:15:16.177 good team, they're not gonna be in playoffs in twenty 1:15:16.218 --> 1:15:19.058 twenty five or twenty twenty six. So looking at not 1:15:19.298 --> 1:15:23.897 just Jeremiah Smith, but also someone who'll probably see today 1:15:24.577 --> 1:15:28.258 in Emitt Mosley, there's some gonna be some good receivers 1:15:28.298 --> 1:15:32.577 and be nice to have awesome uh immunion to get 1:15:32.577 --> 1:15:34.577 that pick again for the top one. So I'll let 1:15:34.617 --> 1:15:36.577 you go and that thanks guys. 1:15:37.298 --> 1:15:39.418 Thanks Sean. So we've got a bunch of emails about 1:15:39.418 --> 1:15:42.418 this because everybody is watching I'm sure the college football 1:15:42.418 --> 1:15:45.217 playoff games yesterday. David and Madrid, who is a regular listener, 1:15:45.817 --> 1:15:47.178 asked about this as well. 1:15:47.258 --> 1:15:49.298 When if I just say to his first point real quick, YEP, 1:15:49.617 --> 1:15:51.857 that is another value of Joe Milton playing, you find 1:15:51.857 --> 1:15:54.377 out if you need a backup quarterback this offseason. Yeah, 1:15:54.418 --> 1:15:57.177 like with Cole strains, check another box before the offseason starts. 1:15:57.258 --> 1:16:02.698 Agreed, I'm for Joe Milton getting some time in this game. Uh, 1:16:02.937 --> 1:16:05.378 David here says, you know, so we do have a 1:16:05.418 --> 1:16:06.338 little bit of draft news. 1:16:06.497 --> 1:16:09.418 Okay, Jalen Milroe has officially declared. Oh geez, so there's 1:16:09.458 --> 1:16:11.897 another quarterback on the board. I might have gone back 1:16:11.937 --> 1:16:14.697 if I were him after that game this week. But 1:16:14.897 --> 1:16:18.177 Evan wanted Alabama in the playoffs, so maybe he feels differently, but. 1:16:18.378 --> 1:16:19.937 I still feel the same way. I still would have 1:16:19.937 --> 1:16:23.177 taken Alabama. They got a house by Michigan. Michigan. 1:16:23.298 --> 1:16:25.817 They didn't call home up Vanderbilt. They didn't care about 1:16:25.857 --> 1:16:27.577 the game, cared enough to play everybody. 1:16:27.577 --> 1:16:30.017 Michigan didn't. Michigan played their backups. They weren't trying. 1:16:31.657 --> 1:16:34.218 Jayle should have been trying to be going to the draft. 1:16:34.178 --> 1:16:36.817 Just to just just to poke them, just to poke them. 1:16:37.018 --> 1:16:39.697 So David and Madrid at calling in about the twenty 1:16:39.737 --> 1:16:42.777 twenty seven draft as well, which is just I love 1:16:42.817 --> 1:16:45.617 that our listeners are play ball with us on these 1:16:45.657 --> 1:16:49.097 things and we actually talk about three drafts, from which 1:16:49.138 --> 1:16:49.697 is is great. 1:16:49.897 --> 1:16:54.537 You know as much as anybody, how giddy Patriots fans 1:16:54.577 --> 1:16:57.177 get about elite wide receiver prospects. There was a need 1:16:57.218 --> 1:17:00.418 for a quarterback last year. There were three franchise quarterbacks 1:17:00.418 --> 1:17:02.777 on the board, and you still had a large segment 1:17:02.777 --> 1:17:05.897 of the fan base. They just want that receiver already 1:17:05.937 --> 1:17:08.458 because it's been twenty or however long. Ranny Rady Moss 1:17:08.458 --> 1:17:12.577 was right by the way twenty years. Marvin Harrison Bill 1:17:12.697 --> 1:17:16.418 this generational. I'm not saying that was incorrect. Jeremiah Smith's 1:17:16.418 --> 1:17:17.138 already better than you. 1:17:17.258 --> 1:17:20.657 Okay, So if for those that don't know, because some 1:17:20.697 --> 1:17:23.657 people aren't paying a twenty to the twenty twenty seven draft, 1:17:23.657 --> 1:17:26.018 I don't think those people are watching the show. Jeremiah 1:17:26.058 --> 1:17:28.937 Smith on Ohio State, who's a true freshman nineteen year 1:17:28.978 --> 1:17:32.577 old from Miami area somehow got out of the state 1:17:32.617 --> 1:17:35.338 of Florida and went up to Ohio State. It's Ohio State, 1:17:36.058 --> 1:17:40.737 Bryan Hartline and Jeremiah Smith. I was trying to I 1:17:40.777 --> 1:17:44.977 looked this up actually last night, trying to rack my brain. 1:17:46.138 --> 1:17:48.537 Jeremiah Smith, I don't think it's hyperbole to say is 1:17:48.577 --> 1:17:50.497 the best true freshman receiver that's ever lived. 1:17:50.937 --> 1:17:52.697 He is the I'm trying to find who the first 1:17:52.697 --> 1:17:56.618 too were. Jeremiah Smith is the third highest ranked recruit 1:17:57.098 --> 1:17:59.338 in the history of twenty four to seven. And I 1:17:59.378 --> 1:18:01.218 can't remember who the other two players are. I know 1:18:01.298 --> 1:18:02.817 one of them is like on track to be an 1:18:02.897 --> 1:18:05.058 NFL All of Famer and the other barely made it 1:18:05.058 --> 1:18:05.657 in the NFL. 1:18:05.697 --> 1:18:09.017 But he is rare, rare. 1:18:10.058 --> 1:18:12.058 Remember last year he was saying Harrison was rare and 1:18:12.098 --> 1:18:14.177 I was knocking it down. Everybody's saying these other guys. 1:18:14.817 --> 1:18:18.097 I don't like to use generational Jeremiah Smith is why 1:18:18.138 --> 1:18:20.577 because I need a proper way to talk about Jeremiah Smith. 1:18:20.817 --> 1:18:23.857 Jeremiah Smith is different. If Jeremiah Smith was in the 1:18:23.937 --> 1:18:27.737 NFL two day Evan at eighteen years old, he'd be 1:18:27.737 --> 1:18:28.537 a top ten receiver. 1:18:29.058 --> 1:18:31.098 He would already be the best receiver on Patriots by 1:18:31.098 --> 1:18:31.737 a country mile. 1:18:31.897 --> 1:18:34.617 In the NFL today, how many receivers are there better 1:18:34.657 --> 1:18:36.777 than eighteen year old version Jeremiah Smith. 1:18:38.497 --> 1:18:40.577 I think he's probably a top fifteen receiver. 1:18:40.978 --> 1:18:43.418 So the way he was described to me by somebody 1:18:43.458 --> 1:18:47.577 before the season started, because I'm looking at these things, Wow, 1:18:47.577 --> 1:18:50.657 who's this recruit? Ohio State cut. The way he was 1:18:50.697 --> 1:18:53.338 described to me was, you know how everybody drooled about 1:18:53.338 --> 1:18:56.937 Marvin Harrison Junior. Imagine if Harrison Junior was a slightly 1:18:56.978 --> 1:18:59.057 better route runner and ran a four four forty. 1:18:59.458 --> 1:19:03.057 Yeah, so there's been a lot of a lot of 1:19:03.338 --> 1:19:07.617 Julio comparisons because they have similar measurables like six three 1:19:07.697 --> 1:19:10.258 two fifteen. Also, let's just throw it out there, it's 1:19:10.298 --> 1:19:12.617 insane that Jeremiah Smith at nineteen years old is six 1:19:12.737 --> 1:19:16.178 three two fifteen. Like, that's absolutely stupid and absurd. I 1:19:16.218 --> 1:19:19.058 don't know what he was fed as a child, but 1:19:19.178 --> 1:19:21.737 it certainly wasn't the same food I was eating. I 1:19:21.737 --> 1:19:24.338 would also just say that I don't I correct me. 1:19:24.537 --> 1:19:28.737 He is the highest rated recruit since twenty for twenty 1:19:28.777 --> 1:19:30.897 four to seven, So he wasn't the second and highest 1:19:30.897 --> 1:19:32.138 overall was a couple guys ahead of them. 1:19:32.178 --> 1:19:35.378 But I looked at some of the other really great 1:19:35.697 --> 1:19:39.537 true freshman seasons of yesteryear. The thing is is that 1:19:39.657 --> 1:19:43.298 as you would, you know, could attest to, yeah, true 1:19:43.298 --> 1:19:46.697 freshmen didn't play like they do now, right, Like you know, 1:19:46.697 --> 1:19:49.497 they weren't giving the opportunities. So like even like true 1:19:49.497 --> 1:19:52.657 freshman Julio Jones didn't play a ton right out of 1:19:52.697 --> 1:19:55.737 the gate at Alabama. Right, so those stats like Chris 1:19:55.737 --> 1:19:58.458 Carter had like the freshman record for like the longest time, 1:19:58.497 --> 1:20:00.497 it was like five hundred yards. Yeah, right, So this 1:20:01.018 --> 1:20:04.017 it's changed, The landscape has changed about playing these guys 1:20:04.058 --> 1:20:07.017 as early as they are. You know, Saban historically never 1:20:07.018 --> 1:20:10.097 played freshman. Even Julio Jones had to earn playing time 1:20:10.098 --> 1:20:13.138 and Saban's system, So it's not apples to apples, is 1:20:13.138 --> 1:20:15.497 my point, comparing him to guys like that. Jamar Chase's 1:20:15.537 --> 1:20:19.098 breakout season was his sophomore season, so he wasn't a 1:20:19.098 --> 1:20:23.857 breakout freshman. It's pretty hard to find a breakout true 1:20:23.857 --> 1:20:27.617 freshman on the level of Jeremiah Smith. You were teasing 1:20:27.657 --> 1:20:32.857 me earlier. He's perfect. He's he's literally perfect. He's six 1:20:32.897 --> 1:20:36.218 foot three something, two hundred and fifteen pounds, four to 1:20:36.258 --> 1:20:38.298 four or below. I think he might be in the 1:20:38.298 --> 1:20:40.977 fourth sie so well. He was running. He ran a 1:20:41.018 --> 1:20:46.258 four to four in high school last year. Fantastic fastle 1:20:46.338 --> 1:20:49.537 he wins at the catch point, his release, he can stack, 1:20:49.617 --> 1:20:51.617 he can release off the line of scrimmage against press 1:20:51.657 --> 1:20:56.497 man coverage. He's fantastic. He's unbelievable. Like I now do 1:20:56.617 --> 1:20:59.177 I think you can plan ahead to the twenty twenty 1:20:59.218 --> 1:21:01.138 seven draft to put yourself in a position to the 1:21:01.178 --> 1:21:03.537 draft if you start trading down first round picks. Maybe, 1:21:03.617 --> 1:21:06.017 I guess and theory, I don't know, that's some that's 1:21:06.018 --> 1:21:08.098 some balls to like look that far ahead with your 1:21:08.178 --> 1:21:10.857 job security where it's at right now for the people 1:21:10.897 --> 1:21:13.697 in this building, but like in general, yeah, I mean, look, 1:21:13.737 --> 1:21:16.777 he's he's the person that he reminds me of. He's 1:21:16.777 --> 1:21:19.817 a little bigger than Jamar, but he moves a lot 1:21:19.857 --> 1:21:24.017 to me like Jamar Chase, but is definitely more in 1:21:24.218 --> 1:21:27.458 like the longer build. I like Jamar Chase. I want 1:21:27.458 --> 1:21:30.257 to day is like six one six two. So Jeremiah 1:21:30.258 --> 1:21:32.897 Smith a little bit bigger, but when I watch him 1:21:32.897 --> 1:21:35.258 on film, he moves in and wins a lot. 1:21:35.817 --> 1:21:37.737 I'm on the Julio tray, I really am. 1:21:37.777 --> 1:21:40.777 Yeah, you can see that. I'm yeah. The other thing 1:21:40.897 --> 1:21:42.697 is he's he is. I just have a tough time, 1:21:42.897 --> 1:21:45.017 and I mean his great as tomorrow is I have 1:21:45.058 --> 1:21:46.857 such a tough time comparing guys to Julio. 1:21:46.978 --> 1:21:49.218 On top of everything you just said, the one thing 1:21:49.218 --> 1:21:51.458 that stands out to me watching him. His hands are 1:21:51.537 --> 1:21:54.338 so big and so strong, it allows him to make 1:21:54.338 --> 1:21:56.258 some absurd catches. You want the list of guys who 1:21:56.258 --> 1:22:00.057 are higher rated recruits than Jeremiah Smith ever since two thousand, 1:22:00.817 --> 1:22:02.937 So the highest rated high school recruit of all time 1:22:03.258 --> 1:22:07.857 is Davian Clowney. Yeah, he freak Cyrus Kwan Joe. He 1:22:07.897 --> 1:22:09.617 was a bust at Alabama. He got hurt a bunch, 1:22:10.138 --> 1:22:14.097 Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Brian Berzy, Bryce Young, Walker Little, 1:22:14.577 --> 1:22:14.897 that's it. 1:22:14.937 --> 1:22:16.057 Those are some interesting ones. 1:22:16.218 --> 1:22:18.058 Yeah, he's tied with Fournette. 1:22:18.138 --> 1:22:22.857 Yeah, he's he's incredible. I said the thing about to Florida. 1:22:23.178 --> 1:22:27.218 How that guy he grew up in Miami. Yeah, get 1:22:27.218 --> 1:22:29.537 out of the state of Florida. One nil two. 1:22:29.657 --> 1:22:32.257 Ohio State has this poll where if you're an elite 1:22:32.298 --> 1:22:34.977 receiver and you want to maximize we do you go play. 1:22:34.817 --> 1:22:37.338 For Brian Highy. He's the only recruit so high. 1:22:37.378 --> 1:22:40.338 He's the only recruit twenty four to seven, only wide 1:22:40.378 --> 1:22:44.737 receiver recruit that's ever gotten six stars. So Doriel Beckham, 1:22:44.897 --> 1:22:49.138 Doyl Green. Beckham was just below, Julio Jones was just below. 1:22:49.737 --> 1:22:54.378 But he's he's fantastic. I mean, I he's fantastic. I 1:22:54.378 --> 1:22:55.897 have one more thought on it, but I want to 1:22:55.897 --> 1:22:57.418 say it. No, what is it? No? No, no, I 1:22:57.458 --> 1:22:57.897 want to say it. 1:22:57.937 --> 1:22:59.378 Are we gonna get like in this show or for 1:22:59.418 --> 1:22:59.897 twenty twenty? 1:23:00.138 --> 1:23:02.458 No, No, in this show. It's just relevant to something else, 1:23:02.697 --> 1:23:05.378 all right, Jesse? Is he in the car? Or is 1:23:05.418 --> 1:23:08.817 he in Carolina? He's in the car. Jesse's in the car. 1:23:08.897 --> 1:23:11.537 What's up? Jesse was in the car. 1:23:12.378 --> 1:23:15.057 I've been listening for a while, so now here awesome, 1:23:15.098 --> 1:23:19.218 Thank you. One thing that I wanted to point out, Evan, 1:23:19.258 --> 1:23:21.857 that I don't know that you're fully taking into account. 1:23:21.937 --> 1:23:24.097 So it's gonna kind of support Alex's point of view. 1:23:24.617 --> 1:23:28.258 But on these NFL execs, we're looking at the QB 1:23:28.418 --> 1:23:29.097 class in. 1:23:29.058 --> 1:23:32.577 Two year increments, two cycles increments. So what is ahead 1:23:33.138 --> 1:23:36.538 if you're one of these QB and needy teams Garrett Nussmeyer, 1:23:37.138 --> 1:23:41.537 Drew Aller and John Matteir Right, I think some of 1:23:41.537 --> 1:23:43.617 those teams are gonna get jumpy looking ahead, like you 1:23:43.617 --> 1:23:45.657 can't go to twenty twenty seven as we're talking about 1:23:45.657 --> 1:23:48.418 it for arch Manning, So I think there will be 1:23:48.497 --> 1:23:52.897 a desire to get their most highly ranked, whether it's 1:23:52.937 --> 1:23:56.137 ward for shador standers to move up for those picks, 1:23:56.178 --> 1:23:58.937 because looking ahead, there's not like it's the class of 1:23:58.978 --> 1:24:01.458 twenty twenty four where you see guys who are talented 1:24:01.537 --> 1:24:04.057 and you could possibly wait. If you need your quarterback now, 1:24:04.178 --> 1:24:05.577 you better get him now because he might not be 1:24:05.657 --> 1:24:09.057 there next year. Question for you guys talking about trading 1:24:09.098 --> 1:24:12.017 back into the first round if you trade down, thoughts 1:24:12.178 --> 1:24:16.737 on Tyler Warren as a rock solid difference maker as. 1:24:16.577 --> 1:24:17.378 A pass catcher. 1:24:17.497 --> 1:24:19.537 Good cause we real quick on the quarterback line. 1:24:19.537 --> 1:24:23.097 So arch Manning is eligible next year, Yeah, assuming yours 1:24:23.138 --> 1:24:26.897 goes to school, he'll start. But he's right after arch 1:24:26.978 --> 1:24:30.057 Manning the projection right now, And Drew Aller's a wild 1:24:30.058 --> 1:24:31.617 card here. I think Dre Allen might come out this 1:24:31.737 --> 1:24:36.378 year after arch Manning next year's quarterback class. So I 1:24:36.378 --> 1:24:38.737 said before like everybody's treating this year like it's twenty 1:24:38.777 --> 1:24:41.537 twenty two, when it's not. If arch Manning doesn't come 1:24:41.537 --> 1:24:45.017 out as junior, next year's class looks like twenty twenty two. 1:24:45.298 --> 1:24:47.617 If you want a quarterback, get him now because you're 1:24:47.657 --> 1:24:50.137 probably not gonna have a job then that twenty twenty 1:24:50.178 --> 1:24:52.218 seven class rules. That's like, you know how much I 1:24:52.218 --> 1:24:55.258 love DJ Loway and those guys, are you still gonna 1:24:55.298 --> 1:24:56.537 have a job if you wait that long? 1:24:56.657 --> 1:24:58.617 Okay? So here's my take on the quarterbacks. And this 1:24:58.697 --> 1:25:01.258 is just like a big picture take that I have. Yeah, 1:25:02.258 --> 1:25:07.857 I wonder if there's gonna be more teams that are 1:25:07.897 --> 1:25:11.177 going to look at the Seattle Seahawks with Gino Smith, 1:25:11.737 --> 1:25:15.257 the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Baker Mayfield, the Minnesota Vikings 1:25:15.298 --> 1:25:18.458 with Sam Darnold, and they're going to say even like 1:25:18.497 --> 1:25:21.137 to a lesser extent, but I still think it applies 1:25:21.298 --> 1:25:24.497 the Detroit Lions with Jared Goff and are there gonna 1:25:24.497 --> 1:25:28.617 look at it and say we could do something like 1:25:28.697 --> 1:25:33.057 that instead of over rafting or trading a haul and 1:25:33.178 --> 1:25:36.697 over drafting YadA, YadA, YadA. I just wonder if those 1:25:36.697 --> 1:25:41.657 success stories change it all how the landscape is viewed 1:25:41.777 --> 1:25:47.218 for like quote unquote bus in the first round, and 1:25:47.378 --> 1:25:50.177 how does that impact this whole market? Like let's say, 1:25:50.978 --> 1:25:53.697 you know, I don't have a great example I guess 1:25:53.737 --> 1:25:55.137 off the top of my head of like who would 1:25:55.178 --> 1:25:58.218 move in this in that type of scenario, But I 1:25:58.298 --> 1:26:01.258 just would I would look at Donald in particular as 1:26:01.298 --> 1:26:04.258 like a free agent, they obviously drafted JJ in the 1:26:04.298 --> 1:26:07.097 first round. Like it's probably gonna be JJ McCarthy's team 1:26:07.138 --> 1:26:09.338 at some point unless Donald like wins an MVP next 1:26:09.418 --> 1:26:12.218 year or something like that. So what you know, what 1:26:12.378 --> 1:26:15.258 team are the Giants for example, with Brian Dable, who 1:26:15.298 --> 1:26:17.737 they know it does well with quarterbacks? Like would they 1:26:17.897 --> 1:26:22.777 just pay Donald like a bridgy franchise quarterback deal instead 1:26:23.138 --> 1:26:25.378 and then buy themselves some time to draft. 1:26:25.298 --> 1:26:27.378 Donald's an interesting one. I think one of these quarterback 1:26:27.378 --> 1:26:29.298 teams will end up with Donald McCarthy. By the way, 1:26:29.298 --> 1:26:31.897 if Viking should trade JJ McCarthy, that's how I feel, 1:26:32.218 --> 1:26:38.697 maybe a surprise. But for every Geno Smith, how many 1:26:38.737 --> 1:26:42.977 times are you gonna get Kirk Cousins or Aaron Rodgers. 1:26:42.978 --> 1:26:47.017 But the difference be Derek Carr Russell Wilson. 1:26:47.138 --> 1:26:50.737 The difference between all those examples, though, is their age obviously, right, 1:26:50.817 --> 1:26:54.418 Like I'm talking about Derek Carr. Derek Carr is still 1:26:54.577 --> 1:26:57.338 older than like Baker was. Like Gino is a good 1:26:57.338 --> 1:26:59.897 comp for those guys, I suppose, but like the Donald 1:26:59.978 --> 1:27:04.057 Baker comp is darnold contract, So Donald is legit. Donald. 1:27:04.058 --> 1:27:05.298 The Jets quit on too, early. 1:27:05.338 --> 1:27:07.857 I think although that that situation in Minnesota is fantastic. 1:27:08.058 --> 1:27:10.938 Who's okay, so that's one team, Who's next. 1:27:12.378 --> 1:27:14.617 I'm gonna I'm looking at it because I'm trying to 1:27:14.617 --> 1:27:17.058 figure out like to make my take hold, I have 1:27:17.098 --> 1:27:18.577 to find right have my point. 1:27:18.617 --> 1:27:21.298 I don't think that that maybe works for one team. 1:27:21.458 --> 1:27:24.857 There's five or six quarterback needy teams and that's just 1:27:24.897 --> 1:27:26.258 at the top of the draft. You also have to 1:27:26.258 --> 1:27:29.298 consider the Seahawks may want a quarterback, the Steelers may 1:27:29.338 --> 1:27:32.058 want a quarterback. Teams like die. So now, if you 1:27:32.098 --> 1:27:33.777 want to go there enough, if you want to like 1:27:33.817 --> 1:27:36.697 the group of guys you're talking about here, Evan, are 1:27:37.058 --> 1:27:39.697 the twenty twenty one class. You're talking about Mac Jones, 1:27:39.777 --> 1:27:42.137 you're talking about Justin Fields, you're talking about Zach Wilson. 1:27:42.418 --> 1:27:46.378 That's what you're talking about. Are you really gonna risk put? 1:27:47.018 --> 1:27:49.418 Would you rather go that route, especially some of these 1:27:49.458 --> 1:27:51.657 teams that don't have the talent that the Detroit Lions do. 1:27:52.378 --> 1:27:55.218 And the other thing is, and we know this all 1:27:55.218 --> 1:27:57.298 too well because of what just happened here in New England. 1:27:57.657 --> 1:28:01.537 You signed Sam Darnold. That changes the football team you 1:28:01.657 --> 1:28:04.977 draft sder Sanders in the top five. You draft cam 1:28:05.058 --> 1:28:08.657 Ward in the top five, that changes the organization, That 1:28:08.777 --> 1:28:13.217 changes the franchise. You're not gonna get the buzz. Maybe 1:28:13.298 --> 1:28:16.298 Donald again, but who's that next guy? Who really is 1:28:16.338 --> 1:28:19.497 the next veteran name. I just you're not gonna get 1:28:19.497 --> 1:28:23.937 the organizational pop signing a veteran that you do. And 1:28:24.218 --> 1:28:26.497 the if you have a high pick, if you're scheduled 1:28:26.497 --> 1:28:28.418 to pick in the top five to sixty seven, as 1:28:28.418 --> 1:28:30.777 we talked about last year, the owner is an involved 1:28:30.817 --> 1:28:32.937 to an extent at that point, and you now have 1:28:33.018 --> 1:28:35.378 to sell the owner on well, look at what all 1:28:35.418 --> 1:28:38.657 these teams last year with their rookie quarterbacks did. 1:28:38.737 --> 1:28:40.777 Okay, but you could also say look at look at 1:28:40.777 --> 1:28:43.258 the Vikings, like the Vikings are going to potentially be 1:28:43.298 --> 1:28:44.577 the number one seed in the playoff. 1:28:45.178 --> 1:28:48.258 But that was a slow burn, that was not I just. 1:28:48.218 --> 1:28:50.338 Look at it, and I think you didn't have people. 1:28:50.138 --> 1:28:52.177 Line to buy Sam Donald Jerseys. 1:28:52.218 --> 1:28:53.857 I know, but we have a fifty to fifty hit 1:28:53.978 --> 1:28:56.537 rate with these quarterbacks in the first round. For every 1:28:56.697 --> 1:28:59.737 for every Jaden Daniels and Drake May and Bo Nicks, 1:28:59.857 --> 1:29:02.617 there is a you know we know all of them 1:29:02.697 --> 1:29:04.458 right then, you know that there's there's a bust, right, 1:29:04.497 --> 1:29:07.137 there's a Zach Wilson, there's you know, there's a Mac Jones. 1:29:07.178 --> 1:29:09.097 Like this could go either way in the draft. 1:29:09.338 --> 1:29:12.418 I know your plan is to sign Zach Wilson or 1:29:12.418 --> 1:29:13.378 mac Jones instead. 1:29:13.697 --> 1:29:17.577 No, yeah, I hear you do different. That's one team one. 1:29:17.857 --> 1:29:19.697 I get it. There's a difference between. There's not like 1:29:19.737 --> 1:29:24.177 a great pivot. I would say Donald to the Giants though, 1:29:24.497 --> 1:29:28.378 to me just feels really uh doable, Like I feel 1:29:28.418 --> 1:29:31.497 like if if Dable stays, so you feel good about 1:29:31.497 --> 1:29:33.937 the development and the play calling and all that, and 1:29:33.978 --> 1:29:36.177 the offensive side of the ball. You have the league 1:29:36.178 --> 1:29:39.458 neighbors for him, like you obviously use the number two 1:29:39.497 --> 1:29:41.977 overall pick or whatever pick they end up with, four two, 1:29:42.018 --> 1:29:46.218 whatever you draft, you know, help to help him out 1:29:46.258 --> 1:29:48.577 even more. You know, maybe that's a tech McMillan team, 1:29:48.617 --> 1:29:50.257 maybe that's a tackle team. Whatever. 1:29:50.418 --> 1:29:52.937 So now the Patriots called Tennessee Titans, or the Cleveland 1:29:52.937 --> 1:29:56.097 Browns or the Las Vegas Raiders. Sure you didn't get 1:29:56.138 --> 1:29:57.977 who did not get Sam Donald? 1:29:58.098 --> 1:30:00.537 Right? But Sam Donald's and now those teams are more 1:30:00.577 --> 1:30:03.378 desperate because there's one guy off the Okay, let me 1:30:03.418 --> 1:30:05.657 give you another name, Okay, because I just to have fun. 1:30:06.458 --> 1:30:11.178 Rock Purty well does his elbow work? Assume it works. 1:30:13.138 --> 1:30:16.058 All right? Would you rarely rather have Brock Purty than 1:30:16.058 --> 1:30:17.298 Shur Sanders. 1:30:17.418 --> 1:30:20.378 Yes, you of all people would yes, because at least 1:30:20.617 --> 1:30:23.058 at least I have that Brock Party can play in 1:30:23.058 --> 1:30:23.338 the line. 1:30:23.497 --> 1:30:25.777 I saw enough of what Brock Party looks like this 1:30:25.857 --> 1:30:27.418 year without the monstars around him. 1:30:27.458 --> 1:30:29.178 On offense, he actually I thought he played better this 1:30:29.258 --> 1:30:30.977 year than he did last year. I don't think so. 1:30:31.098 --> 1:30:32.418 I think you did. I think last year he was 1:30:32.458 --> 1:30:35.458 just surrounded by freaking monstars. Like you just said, this 1:30:35.577 --> 1:30:37.458 year he actually had to elevate a little bit and 1:30:37.458 --> 1:30:40.218 actually think he played better. How many games they went? Yeah, 1:30:40.258 --> 1:30:42.057 I'm not saying they won a ton, but I actually 1:30:42.098 --> 1:30:43.977 thought that his film and his play was better. 1:30:44.058 --> 1:30:45.937 So and again, now you have to sell the owner on. 1:30:46.338 --> 1:30:48.338 You're gonna get people line up around the block for 1:30:48.418 --> 1:30:51.217 Brock Purty jerseys in Las Vegas. 1:30:52.178 --> 1:30:56.497 The Raiders may be able to sell those better off 1:30:56.537 --> 1:30:58.737 with that. Like I just again, I'm just not high 1:30:58.777 --> 1:31:01.497 on the quarterback class. You're building a brand new stadium 1:31:01.497 --> 1:31:03.937 in Tennessee. Oh my god, you're building that to put 1:31:04.058 --> 1:31:06.737 put Brock Party in the middle of it. Yeah, you 1:31:06.777 --> 1:31:10.178 can as opposed to went to a super Bowl and 1:31:10.897 --> 1:31:13.057 has been pretty good. Oh so now we're giving brock 1:31:13.058 --> 1:31:16.937 Purty credit for that super Bowl because not given Brock 1:31:16.978 --> 1:31:18.697 Party the reason why I brought out up. All right, 1:31:18.777 --> 1:31:21.018 So then you know who's a free agent, Jimmy Garoppolo. No, 1:31:21.138 --> 1:31:23.257 come on. The reason why I brought up brock Party 1:31:23.657 --> 1:31:25.777 is because one, I just wanted to bring up Brock 1:31:25.777 --> 1:31:28.217 Party because I knew it would be funny. But two, 1:31:29.098 --> 1:31:32.017 you and I both know that there's a chance that 1:31:32.098 --> 1:31:34.737 Kyle Shanahan looks at brock Purty and says, you want 1:31:34.777 --> 1:31:35.617 me to pay you how much? 1:31:35.897 --> 1:31:38.378 You know, the Brock Party might be gone. That's very real, 1:31:38.458 --> 1:31:40.937 all right. I still he's not gonna move on from 1:31:40.937 --> 1:31:42.418 Brock Party this year, still has one more year in 1:31:42.458 --> 1:31:42.937 his contract. 1:31:43.098 --> 1:31:45.977 Yeah, but he wants he needs that extension, and the Niners, 1:31:46.018 --> 1:31:47.617 I am not sold, are going to give him that. 1:31:47.777 --> 1:31:49.378 I think there's a real chance he ends up being 1:31:49.418 --> 1:31:50.897 a lame duck starting quarterback for them. 1:31:51.138 --> 1:31:53.217 It could happened, and he could get like a Daniel 1:31:53.298 --> 1:31:56.137 Jones type extension where it's like really a two year deal. 1:31:56.338 --> 1:31:59.138 But it's disguised as like a four year you know, uh, 1:31:59.497 --> 1:32:04.218 mega quarterback. You're if that's what NFL teams want to do, 1:32:04.258 --> 1:32:06.657 that's what they want to do. But I'm just telling 1:32:06.697 --> 1:32:09.258 you that I feel like the reclamation project thing is 1:32:09.258 --> 1:32:09.937 in right now. 1:32:10.058 --> 1:32:16.818 It is, but there are not five serious reclamation quarterbacks Tennessee, Cleveland, 1:32:16.978 --> 1:32:19.537 the Giants, the Jets aren't gonna do a reclamation They 1:32:19.617 --> 1:32:23.378 just did that, the Raiders in the Saints. If you 1:32:23.418 --> 1:32:26.657 can give me five quarterbacks more that are a better 1:32:26.697 --> 1:32:29.937 option than Shouldur Sanders, I'll agree with your take. 1:32:29.978 --> 1:32:32.058 But should Sanders can only go to one team to 1:32:32.617 --> 1:32:33.658 do the Sam Donald. 1:32:33.497 --> 1:32:35.098 They trade, So the Patriots only need one team that 1:32:35.138 --> 1:32:36.817 they're not trading the pick to three different teams. 1:32:36.897 --> 1:32:39.418 No, but they need at least two teams to be 1:32:39.458 --> 1:32:41.817 interested in the pick. They only need one. They don't 1:32:42.018 --> 1:32:45.218 they need at least two as that's not how markets work. 1:32:45.258 --> 1:32:50.138 But tea, but you're not gonna if somebody wants if 1:32:50.138 --> 1:32:52.697 somebody views Sanders a franchise quarterback, they are going to 1:32:52.737 --> 1:32:54.178 trade up, right. 1:32:54.378 --> 1:32:57.017 You think that a team that no, like let's say 1:32:57.098 --> 1:32:59.418 it's a team that's at four or three or four 1:32:59.497 --> 1:33:02.857 or five and they know that. Yeah, they want Shador Sanders, 1:33:02.897 --> 1:33:05.737 but nobody else freaking does you think that they're gonna 1:33:05.737 --> 1:33:08.058 just trade a package to the Patriots. 1:33:07.617 --> 1:33:09.817 Just because because maybe some of these teams don't want 1:33:09.817 --> 1:33:12.057 Sanders at one, but they take them at three or four. 1:33:13.218 --> 1:33:15.737 Okay, but what if that team's already had, like well. 1:33:16.098 --> 1:33:18.258 The Cleveland Browns are a fascinating wild card. 1:33:18.338 --> 1:33:21.897 Somebody needs to say, Okay, this team is picking two. 1:33:22.098 --> 1:33:25.737 Tennessee is picking second overall and as a quarterback team, 1:33:25.978 --> 1:33:29.178 and will take Shador Sanders if if the Patriots don't 1:33:29.178 --> 1:33:31.338 trade out of that pick, and that's how you create 1:33:31.378 --> 1:33:34.257 the market, right you need but you need that to exist. 1:33:34.338 --> 1:33:36.777 Like if the Titans so again, Sam Darnold, then it 1:33:36.777 --> 1:33:37.258 doesn't work. 1:33:37.258 --> 1:33:39.178 So you only need one team plus the Titans. I 1:33:39.178 --> 1:33:41.178 don't think the Titans are going the veteran route. They 1:33:41.298 --> 1:33:44.017 they have not invested in that position seriously in a 1:33:44.018 --> 1:33:44.497 long time. 1:33:44.577 --> 1:33:46.497 Except the real guys. It didn't work. 1:33:46.537 --> 1:33:48.298 It clearly didn't work, and deep weren't happy with that 1:33:48.338 --> 1:33:49.817 pick at the time that they half measured it. 1:33:50.458 --> 1:33:52.298 Okay, let's well, no, you had a chance. 1:33:52.298 --> 1:33:54.458 Talk about you, guy, Tyler Warren there, Oh yeah, I 1:33:54.777 --> 1:33:56.217 do like Tyler Warren a lot. 1:33:56.497 --> 1:34:00.577 Here's my reservation with Tyler Tyler Warren, and I hate 1:34:00.617 --> 1:34:02.058 to hold this against him, but it's kind of like 1:34:02.098 --> 1:34:05.497 the tight end thing in general. To me, building an 1:34:05.577 --> 1:34:09.097 offense around a tight end is just different than building 1:34:09.098 --> 1:34:12.017 it around receivers, and you need that tight end to 1:34:12.058 --> 1:34:15.098 be Gronk Kelsey level. Good. Well, what if to make 1:34:15.138 --> 1:34:18.017 it T Higgins DK Metcalf kind of guy. Sure, if 1:34:18.058 --> 1:34:20.258 there's multiple pieces to this. So I know you were 1:34:20.298 --> 1:34:20.817 you were big. 1:34:20.857 --> 1:34:24.977 You were talking earlier about get TK metcalfevery you know, 1:34:25.058 --> 1:34:27.617 trade for DK Metcalf and then move up into the 1:34:27.617 --> 1:34:29.697 first or hope in the second that like in Mecha 1:34:29.777 --> 1:34:32.378 Buca falls you right, Yeah, could you do that playing 1:34:32.378 --> 1:34:33.017 with Tyler Warren? 1:34:35.178 --> 1:34:37.017 Yeah, yes, you can trade back up for Tyler Warren. 1:34:37.058 --> 1:34:39.258 I'll tell you my issue with Tyler Warren. Okay, I 1:34:39.298 --> 1:34:41.218 think he's gonna go too early to real estately trade 1:34:41.218 --> 1:34:42.177 back up in the first round. 1:34:42.378 --> 1:34:44.337 Yeah, especially well. 1:34:44.178 --> 1:34:46.737 He's listed at six six, two sixty, which is part 1:34:46.737 --> 1:34:49.298 of what makes him so impressive. Yeah, he might get 1:34:49.338 --> 1:34:51.418 to the combine and be like two forty five, So 1:34:51.458 --> 1:34:54.537 we'll see there, but he he I don't think he's 1:34:54.537 --> 1:34:56.298 go'n be a top fifteen pick. I think he's gonna 1:34:56.298 --> 1:34:56.897 be top twenty. 1:34:57.458 --> 1:34:59.577 He moves like a smaller guy, but he has the 1:34:59.577 --> 1:35:02.577 physicality of the bigger guy. Still. This isn't Travis Kelsey, 1:35:02.617 --> 1:35:06.218 who plays like a right So that's the thing. 1:35:06.298 --> 1:35:08.617 One like he can walk in for I was gonna 1:35:09.098 --> 1:35:11.497 he'll block, he'll play, he'll do the dirty work. The 1:35:11.577 --> 1:35:13.697 Travis ke This is not always a wide receiver, but 1:35:13.737 --> 1:35:15.617 he's big, so call the tight end. This is a 1:35:15.657 --> 1:35:18.497 true three down, well rounded tight end. Yeah. The other 1:35:18.537 --> 1:35:21.378 thing he is going for him copycat league. How many 1:35:21.378 --> 1:35:23.537 teams around the league you think are locking their chops 1:35:23.817 --> 1:35:25.897 looking at it and going, I'd love to get myself 1:35:25.897 --> 1:35:27.418 a brock Bowers. This is the guy. 1:35:27.657 --> 1:35:30.097 So I'm not it's not fair to brock Bowers because 1:35:30.098 --> 1:35:33.017 he's been awesome. Yeah, but it sort of speaks to 1:35:33.058 --> 1:35:37.298 my point. He just hasn't impacted that offense at all. 1:35:37.497 --> 1:35:40.257 Like he's He's put up great numbers, but the offense 1:35:40.298 --> 1:35:43.017 isn't any better. And that and that's mostly because they 1:35:43.018 --> 1:35:45.578 don't have a quarterback. Like I'm not. It's not necessarily 1:35:45.737 --> 1:35:48.378 solely a brock Bauers problem because like you could say, 1:35:48.458 --> 1:35:50.298 although to be fair, like couldn't I say the same 1:35:50.298 --> 1:35:51.857 thing about Malik. I was just about to say that 1:35:51.897 --> 1:35:53.817 you could say, they probably say something similar to Melik 1:35:53.857 --> 1:35:57.218 neighbors as well. But I just think from a coaching standpoint, 1:35:57.737 --> 1:36:00.418 if you're trying a game plan team that has a 1:36:00.458 --> 1:36:04.897 really really good tight end, I unless again, unless he's 1:36:05.178 --> 1:36:09.418 Gronk Kelsey that kind of level, I do think that 1:36:09.537 --> 1:36:13.338 it is. It's just harder to build it out from there, 1:36:13.897 --> 1:36:18.378 right most of the time, Like tight ends are eight 1:36:18.458 --> 1:36:20.977 hundred yards a year, you know. And and the thing 1:36:21.018 --> 1:36:23.657 that I worry about with Tyler Warren is like, you know, 1:36:24.018 --> 1:36:25.537 I don't think he's gonna be as bad, but like 1:36:25.617 --> 1:36:28.458 Kyle Pitt's right was supposed to like change the revolution 1:36:28.577 --> 1:36:32.258 of tight ends and everything, you know, TJ. Hockinson, who 1:36:32.338 --> 1:36:34.737 I thought was a great prospect coming out like that, 1:36:34.817 --> 1:36:38.617 this happens with tight ends. OJ Howard, Like these guys 1:36:38.657 --> 1:36:41.497 get overdrafted a little bit. But I do like the player. 1:36:41.657 --> 1:36:43.897 I'm not trying to kill the player. I just I 1:36:44.258 --> 1:36:47.057 always am weary of Okay, we're going to build around 1:36:47.058 --> 1:36:49.258 a tight end, like you better hope that that's a 1:36:49.338 --> 1:36:51.737 generational tight end. You better hope that guy's really good. 1:36:52.018 --> 1:36:54.617 All right, Tie in North Carolina is on the line. 1:36:54.617 --> 1:36:55.138 What's up? Tie? 1:36:57.218 --> 1:36:57.418 Hey? 1:36:57.418 --> 1:36:57.777 What's up? 1:36:57.817 --> 1:36:58.097 Guys? 1:36:58.338 --> 1:37:01.218 Wanted the change tracks real quick from draft talking talk 1:37:01.298 --> 1:37:04.177 a little bit about coach Mayo. One thing I haven't 1:37:04.178 --> 1:37:07.338 really heard too much talked about is just the fact 1:37:07.378 --> 1:37:09.138 that he knew that he was going to be the 1:37:09.138 --> 1:37:11.258 Patriots ed coach. I know he took over a year 1:37:12.378 --> 1:37:15.378 before he was expected to, but he knew that he 1:37:15.458 --> 1:37:17.537 was going to be taken over for Bill and for 1:37:17.617 --> 1:37:19.937 this year to look the way that it has has 1:37:20.018 --> 1:37:23.178 just been really disappointing. And I think that there's just 1:37:23.218 --> 1:37:26.937 way too momentum involved with hiring a coach variable in 1:37:26.978 --> 1:37:30.817 the offseason and using that to bring in free against 1:37:30.857 --> 1:37:35.458 and then also work the draft, trade back, get as 1:37:35.537 --> 1:37:38.458 many assets and and build forward. I just want to 1:37:38.458 --> 1:37:39.458 get your guys thoughts on that. 1:37:39.937 --> 1:37:41.977 Yeah, TDD, thanks for the call. I would say the 1:37:42.378 --> 1:37:46.777 biggest criticism beyond the micro level stuff that we can pick, 1:37:46.817 --> 1:37:49.378 you know, the scheme and all that messaging and uh, 1:37:49.537 --> 1:37:53.138 the biggest criticism that I have with Gerrodmeo uh so 1:37:53.338 --> 1:37:56.418 far has been that I don't think that he was 1:37:56.617 --> 1:38:00.017 at all prepared to build a staff when he got hired. 1:38:00.577 --> 1:38:02.657 And when you look at a lot of these other 1:38:02.697 --> 1:38:07.258 coaches around the league, when they get the job, they 1:38:07.298 --> 1:38:09.058 know who their OC is going to be, they know 1:38:09.098 --> 1:38:11.537 who their DC is going to be, and it almost 1:38:11.657 --> 1:38:14.018 is coming as a package. Like part of the interview 1:38:14.697 --> 1:38:17.817 is who are going to be your high level assistant? 1:38:17.897 --> 1:38:19.737 You'd lay out, this is who I'm bringing with. 1:38:19.897 --> 1:38:24.257 Right, and so you know a couple of examples, Raheem 1:38:24.258 --> 1:38:28.497 Morris in Atlanta. Raheem Morris knew that Zach Robinson was 1:38:28.497 --> 1:38:31.377 coming with him from LA Right, he knew Zach Robinson 1:38:31.777 --> 1:38:35.057 is my OC pick, He's my guy. Jim Harbaugh came 1:38:35.058 --> 1:38:37.458 with two coordinators that have all sorts of ties to 1:38:37.458 --> 1:38:40.298 the Harbas right, Greg Roman and Jesse Minter who was 1:38:40.298 --> 1:38:43.697 at Michigan with him. He had his coordinators locked and 1:38:43.777 --> 1:38:47.097 ready to go. Part of that is because Girod's only 1:38:47.138 --> 1:38:49.857 worked for one organization and there wasn't an obvious OC 1:38:50.098 --> 1:38:52.737 unless they kept O'Brien like, there wasn't an obvious OC 1:38:52.978 --> 1:38:56.298 for him to go after within the walls. But it 1:38:56.458 --> 1:38:59.178 just that would be my one criticism. I think the 1:38:59.218 --> 1:39:03.458 one really strong pitch other than the obvious of the 1:39:03.537 --> 1:39:08.178 experience that he has. The strong pitch for Rabel and 1:39:08.258 --> 1:39:12.057 going that direction is that my guess is that Rabel 1:39:12.098 --> 1:39:15.378 has spent the last year poking around to see who 1:39:15.418 --> 1:39:17.817 he would come with him to his next stop. So 1:39:17.978 --> 1:39:22.258 he's gonna come probably turnkey, like he's going to have. Yeah, 1:39:22.577 --> 1:39:24.817 head coach is going to be him. I would actually 1:39:24.857 --> 1:39:26.497 even say that there's a chance that he already has 1:39:26.497 --> 1:39:30.897 a personnel guy that he would favor offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, 1:39:30.937 --> 1:39:34.298 special teams coordinator, probably some high level assistants that are 1:39:34.298 --> 1:39:38.137 already on his radar as well. That's very appealing. It's 1:39:38.218 --> 1:39:42.338 very appealing to have that turnkey situation. And this never 1:39:42.378 --> 1:39:45.978 felt like this. They interviewed like fifteen offensive coordinator candidates 1:39:46.178 --> 1:39:49.178 and settled on Alex van Pelt. DeMarcus Comington was an 1:39:49.218 --> 1:39:53.017 internal promotion, obviously, but that one even felt like he 1:39:53.138 --> 1:39:55.378 was maybe a year or two early to get that 1:39:55.458 --> 1:39:59.537 kind of job. It just didn't feel like the staff 1:39:59.697 --> 1:40:03.258 was in great shape from the jump. So, yeah, it 1:40:03.418 --> 1:40:06.577 is appealing. You can't deny that it's appealing to just 1:40:07.178 --> 1:40:09.298 go out there and get a guy like Rabel who 1:40:09.298 --> 1:40:11.617 you know is going to be a turnkey staff and 1:40:11.817 --> 1:40:13.298 that's a decision they are gonna have to make. 1:40:13.378 --> 1:40:14.977 Well, that's why I've had this take, like, if they 1:40:14.978 --> 1:40:17.577 are going to move on from Drod Mayo, right, I've 1:40:17.577 --> 1:40:19.577 seen people say you need an offensive coach or Drake 1:40:19.617 --> 1:40:21.737 may more than offensive versus defensive. I just want a 1:40:21.777 --> 1:40:23.098 guy with previous experience. 1:40:23.298 --> 1:40:23.458 Yeah. 1:40:23.497 --> 1:40:26.017 I don't think replacing a rookie head coach with another 1:40:26.058 --> 1:40:28.737 rookie head coach solves the problems you're trying to solve it. Like, 1:40:28.737 --> 1:40:31.617 I'm kind of out on Ben Johnson because we know 1:40:31.697 --> 1:40:33.298 he can design an offense and we know he can 1:40:33.338 --> 1:40:35.458 be great in that regard and all that, But can 1:40:35.458 --> 1:40:37.378 he command a locker room? Can he do the game 1:40:37.418 --> 1:40:39.617 planning element of it? Can he handle the pressers and 1:40:39.657 --> 1:40:43.937 things like that? I think experience If they are moving 1:40:43.937 --> 1:40:47.577 on from Ao, what should the next guy have? Issue 1:40:47.657 --> 1:40:49.577 Number one? From his experience, you figure it out on 1:40:49.617 --> 1:40:51.777 either side of the ball. After that, with coordinators and 1:40:51.857 --> 1:40:54.138 the fact Vrabel might come with Josh McDaniels, who's not 1:40:54.138 --> 1:40:57.617 a flight risk, is certainly in a unique intriguing trait. 1:40:57.697 --> 1:41:01.658 We talked about this last year, But yeah, I experience 1:41:01.817 --> 1:41:04.138 should be the number one concern if they are going 1:41:04.178 --> 1:41:07.497 to add a new head coach above all else experience. 1:41:07.577 --> 1:41:09.937 And I've come I think this is, you know, doing 1:41:10.018 --> 1:41:11.897 side of the street. I've come around to the whole 1:41:11.937 --> 1:41:16.777 idea of like, you know, culture building and building a 1:41:17.458 --> 1:41:21.258 football program. Like I feel and maybe it's just because 1:41:21.298 --> 1:41:24.177 Jim Harbaugh was just here, Yeah, but it feels as though, 1:41:24.298 --> 1:41:28.098 you know that has become even more important in a 1:41:28.098 --> 1:41:31.057 lot of cases than he calls offensive place. 1:41:31.098 --> 1:41:33.657 Well, look, your point about that is, well, you want 1:41:33.697 --> 1:41:35.777 an offensive coach because him and the quarterback can grow 1:41:35.817 --> 1:41:38.617 together and all that. But if you have a head coach, 1:41:38.657 --> 1:41:40.058 and this is where Dan Campbell comes in, This is 1:41:40.058 --> 1:41:42.057 where Dan Campbell's really gonna get put to Dan Campbell's 1:41:42.058 --> 1:41:43.857 are well, this is where he'll get put to the 1:41:43.857 --> 1:41:45.777 test this offseason. A big part of the reason Dan 1:41:45.817 --> 1:41:48.537 Campbell is good is Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn are 1:41:48.577 --> 1:41:50.857 amazing at what they do. Doesn't mean they'll be good 1:41:50.897 --> 1:41:53.137 head coaches, but what they do they're amazing at. They're 1:41:53.178 --> 1:41:57.418 both probably gonna leave this offseason. Does Dan Campbell have 1:41:57.458 --> 1:41:59.817 a pipeline in place? For get developing players, can you 1:41:59.857 --> 1:42:02.097 develop coaches? That's part of the reason it worked here 1:42:02.138 --> 1:42:04.458 for so long there was always the next guy up. 1:42:04.657 --> 1:42:07.497 And realistically, if your offensive coordinator moves on right and 1:42:07.537 --> 1:42:09.977 you replace with the quarterbacks coach, are you replacing with 1:42:10.018 --> 1:42:12.337 the tight ends coach, you replacement with the passing and coordinator. 1:42:12.777 --> 1:42:14.617 The guys in your pipeline are not going to run 1:42:14.657 --> 1:42:17.977 a wildly different offense. So as long as you can 1:42:18.098 --> 1:42:21.817 keep a pipeline and continue hiring from within, the concept 1:42:21.817 --> 1:42:23.977 of your offensive coordinator moving on every two or three 1:42:24.018 --> 1:42:28.017 years really isn't as scary as it otherwise would be. 1:42:28.138 --> 1:42:31.417 So especially if your quarterback gets to the point where he's. 1:42:31.378 --> 1:42:33.578 Right and four or five years in if becomes irrelevant. 1:42:33.777 --> 1:42:35.857 So, you know, Josh Allen, like they they kind of 1:42:35.897 --> 1:42:39.098 screwed up with Mercy, but he's so good that he 1:42:39.258 --> 1:42:41.577 just kind of persevered through it, and they got it 1:42:41.657 --> 1:42:43.657 right with Joe Brady, so it ended up not mattering. 1:42:43.978 --> 1:42:46.977 So for me, it's it's like, if your coach can 1:42:47.018 --> 1:42:49.697 develop coaches, yeah, it doesn't really matter what side of 1:42:49.737 --> 1:42:51.617 the ball he's on, and I trust for able to 1:42:51.617 --> 1:42:52.298 be able to do that. 1:42:52.418 --> 1:42:54.857 There's a couple of guys in the UH in the 1:42:54.937 --> 1:42:58.697 Lions staff who was the tight Ends coach that interviewed 1:42:58.737 --> 1:43:01.897 around last year for OC jobs, if interviewed here, right, Yeah, 1:43:01.897 --> 1:43:04.458 it'd be interesting to see, uh if if those guys 1:43:04.537 --> 1:43:06.577 can can coach, like and it's that thing you have 1:43:06.657 --> 1:43:07.217 an agreement. 1:43:07.218 --> 1:43:09.378 It's like I you know, I developed you, I worked 1:43:09.378 --> 1:43:11.057 with you, so you just have to leave me one 1:43:11.138 --> 1:43:13.458 or two guys when you take your new job. So 1:43:13.497 --> 1:43:17.657 that uh Steve Hyden, No, yeah, that's their tight Ends. 1:43:17.777 --> 1:43:18.617 It was Steve Hyden. 1:43:18.657 --> 1:43:20.097 Oh no, I think it was somebody else. I'm thinking 1:43:20.098 --> 1:43:20.258 of it. 1:43:20.298 --> 1:43:23.378 You were thinking of em Tanner Engstrid, Yeah, that he 1:43:23.537 --> 1:43:25.497 is their pass games. 1:43:26.697 --> 1:43:28.258 Yeah, he was the tight Ends coach a couple of 1:43:28.298 --> 1:43:30.458 years ago. But he's the guy that that seems to be. 1:43:30.777 --> 1:43:33.298 You just you just keep that pipeline stocked and it's 1:43:33.338 --> 1:43:34.777 gonna matter a lot less than you thought. 1:43:34.937 --> 1:43:37.897 Yep, all right, Mark is in Connecticut. What's that Mark? 1:43:39.497 --> 1:43:42.418 Hey, guys, just said two quick things for you. First 1:43:42.418 --> 1:43:50.697 of all, happy New year, guys, And first questions for Alex, So, Alex, 1:43:50.697 --> 1:43:55.057 I'm not understanding what Gaine now. NBC Sports Squasson talked 1:43:55.098 --> 1:43:57.298 about it a lot. What gain do you have by 1:43:57.298 --> 1:44:00.138 putting Drake mate out there? Other than getting him a 1:44:00.138 --> 1:44:03.338 little more experienced. I mean, he's already hurt. You know, 1:44:03.378 --> 1:44:06.538 you're really just you're throwing him out there to accomplish 1:44:06.657 --> 1:44:08.857 what I mean. The Buffalo Bills are going to have 1:44:08.978 --> 1:44:11.617 their backups out there, most of them. I mean, Josh 1:44:11.657 --> 1:44:13.697 Allen's gonna come out for a series maybe and then 1:44:13.737 --> 1:44:14.697 that's right. 1:44:14.737 --> 1:44:16.737 So why can't he do the same thing as Josh Allen? 1:44:16.777 --> 1:44:18.418 That's my whole point. Come out, hand it off a 1:44:18.458 --> 1:44:21.657 couple times. He's your franchise quarterback. Franchise quarterback, start games. 1:44:21.697 --> 1:44:23.817 If he gets hurt and then he can't start the 1:44:23.897 --> 1:44:25.418 next season, that's that's more. 1:44:25.298 --> 1:44:25.657 Of the thing. 1:44:25.777 --> 1:44:29.338 What if Josh Allen gets hurt, do you disagree with 1:44:29.378 --> 1:44:30.458 the Bills starting Josh Allen? 1:44:30.497 --> 1:44:31.897 Josh Allen's going to turn around and hand the ball. 1:44:31.978 --> 1:44:33.378 That's what I'm saying. Why can't Drake May do that? 1:44:33.937 --> 1:44:34.097 Well? 1:44:34.178 --> 1:44:36.218 Then yeah, yeah, ok, I guess you can. 1:44:36.897 --> 1:44:39.657 Right. That's that's all I'm not saying, Start Drake May 1:44:39.657 --> 1:44:42.537 and have him dropped back fifty times. I'm saying, franchise, 1:44:42.577 --> 1:44:45.138 this is what franchise quarterbacks do. He wants to be 1:44:45.218 --> 1:44:47.657 viewed on that same level you as an organization want 1:44:47.697 --> 1:44:49.937 and viewed on that same level. Let him go out there, 1:44:50.018 --> 1:44:52.097 hand off a couple of times and take him out 1:44:52.338 --> 1:44:54.657 because that's what star quarterbacks do in this league, and 1:44:54.697 --> 1:44:55.777 you're trying to turn him into a star. 1:44:57.098 --> 1:45:02.057 Absolutely, And then the second thing was for Evan. I'm 1:45:02.138 --> 1:45:07.657 just very disappointed in Gerard Mayo, his communication all year 1:45:07.697 --> 1:45:11.177 with the media. I mean just his just in game 1:45:11.218 --> 1:45:14.977 decisions have just it hasn't gotten better at all throughout 1:45:14.978 --> 1:45:19.418 the year, and you should see progress and you haven't. Now. 1:45:19.697 --> 1:45:22.937 I think Mike Rabel is the answer in everybody else 1:45:22.978 --> 1:45:25.178 has been calling up talking about it as well. When 1:45:25.218 --> 1:45:27.497 he can bring a staff in and we can get 1:45:27.497 --> 1:45:30.378 this rebuild rocking and rolling. I think a lot fast 1:45:30.577 --> 1:45:33.178 or sticking with you, Mayo, but I don't think that 1:45:33.458 --> 1:45:36.577 the Crafts have the you know, the balls to do it, 1:45:36.857 --> 1:45:39.178 because I think it'll look bad on them after one 1:45:39.258 --> 1:45:40.657 year firing to Rod. 1:45:40.577 --> 1:45:44.537 Mayo, Yeah, Mark, thanks for the call. I go back 1:45:44.577 --> 1:45:46.737 and forth on that about whether it would look bad. 1:45:47.897 --> 1:45:50.137 I think in a lot of ways it could look bad, 1:45:50.338 --> 1:45:52.458 and you could certainly spin it that way if you 1:45:52.497 --> 1:45:55.817 wanted to. I also think a lot of people will 1:45:55.817 --> 1:46:00.017 spin it sunk cost fallacy right, like you, you made a. 1:46:00.018 --> 1:46:02.497 Mistake, admitted they made a mistake, they moved on, right, 1:46:02.577 --> 1:46:04.697 and then I mean it becomes about who they hire next. 1:46:04.777 --> 1:46:07.617 But I feel like it's almost to me and this 1:46:07.697 --> 1:46:10.657 is like just to be company man. But like I 1:46:11.098 --> 1:46:13.218 honestly think that that would be commendable. Like I think 1:46:13.218 --> 1:46:15.537 that that would be good, Like if they really truly 1:46:15.577 --> 1:46:17.737 felt and they have all the information and we don't. 1:46:17.737 --> 1:46:20.697 So if they truly really felt that this was a 1:46:20.737 --> 1:46:23.298 mistake and he wasn't ready for it and it was 1:46:23.338 --> 1:46:26.617 a mistake, then admitting the mistake and not wasting another 1:46:26.697 --> 1:46:30.218 year of Drake May's clock, of the whole organization's time, 1:46:30.737 --> 1:46:33.577 you know, all of our times, not wasting another year. 1:46:34.138 --> 1:46:36.937 I honestly think that that would be spun as a 1:46:36.978 --> 1:46:39.697 positive in a lot of ways. Okay, you made a mistake. 1:46:39.817 --> 1:46:42.058 Now the difference is, and I know a lot of 1:46:42.058 --> 1:46:45.057 people have said the thing about Rabel. I'm on board 1:46:45.058 --> 1:46:47.177 with Rabel. I think we all are to an extent 1:46:47.418 --> 1:46:50.298 if that's the way that this goes. But the other 1:46:50.378 --> 1:46:53.057 side of this is part of this will be league 1:46:53.058 --> 1:46:56.258 manadated with a Rooney rule. But you absolutely have to 1:46:56.258 --> 1:46:58.418 have a legitimate hiring process. You got to go through 1:46:58.418 --> 1:47:01.098 the process. You can't this time around. You can't just 1:47:01.138 --> 1:47:03.098 hand the job to Rabel, as good as he is 1:47:03.218 --> 1:47:04.657 and as much as I think he would be the 1:47:04.737 --> 1:47:07.937 right hire. Now, is it ceremonial? Is it just going 1:47:07.978 --> 1:47:10.737 through the motions? Maybe? But you look at the team 1:47:10.857 --> 1:47:13.617 like the Chargers. The Chargers interviewed like ten or fifteen 1:47:13.657 --> 1:47:16.218 guys for their head coaching job. You have to go 1:47:16.258 --> 1:47:20.097 through a legitimate interview process. And if you end up 1:47:20.178 --> 1:47:22.857 on Mike Vrabel at the end of that process, then great. 1:47:23.378 --> 1:47:26.817 But you can't just do another situation where this is 1:47:26.857 --> 1:47:28.777 like a handshake deal under the table and we're just 1:47:28.777 --> 1:47:31.138 handing you the job. It's gonna have to be a 1:47:31.218 --> 1:47:35.057 legitimate interview process. All right, DeShawn is in West Virginia. 1:47:35.138 --> 1:47:35.817 What's up to Seawan? 1:47:37.857 --> 1:47:40.058 As few as actually Virginia? 1:47:40.258 --> 1:47:42.577 Oh okay, regular Virginia. 1:47:44.777 --> 1:47:47.657 Yes, two things. You know, for instance, like with the draft, 1:47:47.697 --> 1:47:50.058 you know what I call it? That called about quarterbacks 1:47:50.378 --> 1:47:53.937 since not being available. He basically deliverify my point and 1:47:54.817 --> 1:47:57.338 I mentioned I believe I mentioned before on Pature's Unfiltered 1:47:57.378 --> 1:48:01.178 about other guys jobs being like on the hot seat 1:48:01.178 --> 1:48:03.537 as much as y'all you guys talk about the jobs, 1:48:03.697 --> 1:48:05.338 a few jobs here in New England being on the 1:48:05.378 --> 1:48:07.298 hot seat, you don't think that's the same thing, the 1:48:07.338 --> 1:48:08.897 same woe be the same problem in the other place 1:48:09.018 --> 1:48:10.657 or whatever. That's why I believe that they will be 1:48:10.737 --> 1:48:12.138 anty go ahead and try to call up for the 1:48:12.218 --> 1:48:14.937 number one pick, you know, to try to get that quarterback, 1:48:15.018 --> 1:48:17.697 knowing the fact that the fativable feature may not hold, 1:48:18.138 --> 1:48:20.057 you know, to be true as much as they wanted 1:48:20.098 --> 1:48:22.297 to be. Now, when it comes to Mike Bravery the situation, 1:48:22.577 --> 1:48:25.257 I believe he get him. He brings stability to the situation. 1:48:25.737 --> 1:48:28.537 He can coach. And also if people talk blame him 1:48:28.737 --> 1:48:31.737 for the destruction of Tennessee or whatever, people seven forget 1:48:31.777 --> 1:48:35.378 that it was that GM. I believe he comes here, 1:48:35.418 --> 1:48:37.577 he had more power and he'd be able to get 1:48:37.617 --> 1:48:39.537 the gods that he want to get. What the gods 1:48:39.577 --> 1:48:41.857 you want to keep. That's all I have to say. 1:48:42.218 --> 1:48:44.218 Thanks to Sean, thanks for the call. Yeah, look, I 1:48:44.537 --> 1:48:46.778 get it. I get why everybody wants changes. 1:48:47.418 --> 1:48:51.178 And I would not bring John Robinson with Mike Frabel that. 1:48:51.617 --> 1:48:55.057 I sent you, Yeah, I sent you a text about this. 1:48:55.178 --> 1:48:59.378 But Ryan Cowden in the New York Giants organization. Now, 1:48:59.737 --> 1:49:02.298 who was the number two to John Robinson for a 1:49:02.298 --> 1:49:05.098 long time in Tennessee. It sounds like there is a 1:49:05.138 --> 1:49:08.657 connection there between Rabel. Now, the last thing I want 1:49:08.657 --> 1:49:12.378 to say about this, and you know it's a touchy subject. 1:49:12.418 --> 1:49:13.857 I'm not gonna lie to you, But the last thing 1:49:13.857 --> 1:49:16.777 I want to say to you about about this is 1:49:16.817 --> 1:49:18.937 there a world because I'm starting to think there might be. 1:49:19.617 --> 1:49:24.418 Is there a world where it's just a rodd and 1:49:24.777 --> 1:49:30.298 maybe Covington also, But Rabel comes with Elliott Wolf and 1:49:30.617 --> 1:49:33.937 keeps Alex van Pelt and they go that direction because 1:49:34.857 --> 1:49:37.937 I look at it, and raybol just came from Cleveland. Yeah, 1:49:38.058 --> 1:49:40.737 just spent the year with Kevin Stefanski and Cleveland. And 1:49:40.777 --> 1:49:43.137 some of the reporting out of Cleveland at the time 1:49:43.338 --> 1:49:45.497 was that firing Van Pelt was a little bit of 1:49:45.497 --> 1:49:50.098 a head scratcher for everybody there. Yeah, he just came 1:49:50.138 --> 1:49:54.857 from Cleveland. His two coordinators in Tennessee were Lafleur and 1:49:54.978 --> 1:49:59.898 Arthur Smith, who are both West Coast offense Shanahan decightful 1:49:59.978 --> 1:50:04.497 type coaches and I wonder, you know, I know Josh 1:50:04.657 --> 1:50:08.137 is popular. Tommy Reese is another name that's been floated around, 1:50:08.178 --> 1:50:10.338 and I know you hate, but I just wonder, like, 1:50:10.418 --> 1:50:12.897 if he's gonna run a West Coast offense anyways, right, 1:50:12.978 --> 1:50:15.498 and it's gonna be that sort of flavor anyways. 1:50:16.897 --> 1:50:20.577 Well, and then on top of that, you think Stefanski's. 1:50:20.018 --> 1:50:24.657 Job is safe. He's a really good coach. I don't know. 1:50:24.817 --> 1:50:29.058 Does Stefanski come in as essentially what my blanking on 1:50:29.098 --> 1:50:29.418 his name? 1:50:30.897 --> 1:50:31.097 Yeah? 1:50:31.138 --> 1:50:34.258 Does Defanski come in as along with Ben McAdoo to 1:50:34.298 --> 1:50:37.658 replace Ben McAdoo as kind of that offensive consultant. 1:50:37.817 --> 1:50:42.337 Yeah, it's possible. It's possible. I just wonder. I'm beginning 1:50:42.338 --> 1:50:46.097 to know the situation is. I look, the McDaniels thing 1:50:46.138 --> 1:50:48.497 is always there. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not, and 1:50:48.777 --> 1:50:50.857 it has its advantages. I don't know that. 1:50:52.098 --> 1:50:55.737 I honestly don't know that between McDaniels in between Van Pelt, 1:50:55.937 --> 1:50:58.057 I don't know that one's definitively better than the other. 1:50:58.098 --> 1:51:00.737 They're very different. They both have pros and cons. But 1:51:01.617 --> 1:51:05.617 there is certainly a through line with Elliott Wolf Mike 1:51:05.737 --> 1:51:09.418 Rabel to Alex van Pelt. And then if I can 1:51:09.458 --> 1:51:12.178 add one more to you there, Wes Welker. 1:51:12.857 --> 1:51:15.458 So, Wes Welker is the name that I've thought of, 1:51:15.737 --> 1:51:19.018 maybe Rabel being able to bring in the coach receivers. 1:51:19.418 --> 1:51:24.817 There's also the current offensive coordinator for the Green Bay 1:51:24.857 --> 1:51:29.897 Packers is on the coaching track to be promoted somewhere. 1:51:30.617 --> 1:51:35.497 And I don't know pell Well right, but I'm talking 1:51:35.537 --> 1:51:37.497 about if they're not, Oh, just another name to know. 1:51:37.657 --> 1:51:41.977 I don't know Rabel is necessarily part of that. But 1:51:42.058 --> 1:51:44.497 if the Patriots decide even to keep Gerrod and move 1:51:44.497 --> 1:51:50.537 on from Adam Stenovich, yes, Adam Stenovich basically runs Green 1:51:50.577 --> 1:51:51.378 Bay's run game. 1:51:51.897 --> 1:51:53.977 He is the run game coordinator before he was the. 1:51:54.218 --> 1:51:56.737 So he is Alex van Pelt in Cleveland. He is 1:51:56.777 --> 1:52:00.458 not calling plays for the Green Bay Packers, but he 1:52:00.777 --> 1:52:03.537 is a little bit more. Now. 1:52:03.897 --> 1:52:05.418 If you're gonna do that, though, you got to get 1:52:05.418 --> 1:52:08.737 a you got to get somebody with experience in that role. 1:52:09.378 --> 1:52:12.257 I don't necessarily disagree with you, but at least according 1:52:12.298 --> 1:52:14.258 to Lafloor and I think that you know, part of 1:52:14.298 --> 1:52:15.937 it is lafor Is trying to gasp up his guy 1:52:15.978 --> 1:52:18.537 to get him interviews and stuff like that. But Lafora 1:52:18.537 --> 1:52:21.617 has said that this guy deserves to be a at 1:52:21.697 --> 1:52:24.737 least a play caller somewhere, and he also has said 1:52:24.737 --> 1:52:27.298 that he basically calls the run game, so they when 1:52:27.298 --> 1:52:29.298 they know he's gonna they're gonna run the ball. He's 1:52:29.298 --> 1:52:31.737 the one that's calling the play. So I think he 1:52:31.817 --> 1:52:36.057 has done some a little bit of play calling. And 1:52:37.178 --> 1:52:41.258 he apparently is like the next thing, the next Mike McDaniel, 1:52:41.338 --> 1:52:44.817 the next Kyle Shanahan, the next Matt Before you know, 1:52:44.857 --> 1:52:48.577 he's kind of the next guy. So whether it's Elliott 1:52:48.577 --> 1:52:52.497 Wolfe's connection to Green Bay bringing him here, whether it's 1:52:52.657 --> 1:52:55.217 you know, Mike Rabel and Elliott wolf bringing him whatever, 1:52:55.378 --> 1:52:56.777 I don't know. But it's just a name to throw 1:52:56.817 --> 1:52:59.617 out there that's in this system, in this tree, in 1:52:59.657 --> 1:53:02.258 this world, last thing that I want to do before 1:53:02.258 --> 1:53:04.017 we wrap here. I do have some reason to get. 1:53:05.777 --> 1:53:08.137 I've been like a lot of what we're I want 1:53:08.138 --> 1:53:11.697 that other Jeremiah Smith take. Oh yeah, we're gonna do 1:53:11.697 --> 1:53:15.258 it right now. So I don't actually remember what I 1:53:15.258 --> 1:53:17.857 said I was gonna say. But anyways, you said you 1:53:17.857 --> 1:53:21.577 had another take on Jeremiah Smith. Okay, maybe I'll get 1:53:21.657 --> 1:53:24.497 maybe I'll remember, so I have some recency biased guys 1:53:24.537 --> 1:53:29.218 for you. Okay, not necessarily like pounding the table for 1:53:29.298 --> 1:53:32.577 either guy. There's two guys I've watched recently. One of 1:53:32.577 --> 1:53:34.298 them you're gonna hate. One of them, I'm not sure about. 1:53:34.897 --> 1:53:37.897 They both go to Ohio State. So the guy that 1:53:37.978 --> 1:53:43.178 I am swimming over a little bit now is a Meccava. 1:53:42.657 --> 1:53:44.577 That I know which one gonna hate. 1:53:45.138 --> 1:53:50.657 Meccauka from Ohio State, who to me plays a lot 1:53:50.737 --> 1:53:53.097 like Jackson Smith and jigl like they played the same 1:53:53.178 --> 1:53:56.218 role in the Ohio States offense, that z slot role. Uh, 1:53:56.258 --> 1:53:59.338 and he just is more of like a glider smooth mover, 1:53:59.978 --> 1:54:02.697 you know, bursty off the line of scrimmage, but not 1:54:02.737 --> 1:54:05.577 gonna blow you away with speed over the top. He's 1:54:05.577 --> 1:54:08.258 gonna be an inside receiver in the NFL. I just 1:54:08.497 --> 1:54:11.738 like JSN has developed a Year two for the Seahawks. 1:54:12.058 --> 1:54:14.657 I see like Buka as as your chain mover, right, 1:54:14.697 --> 1:54:17.017 Like that guy's gonna catch a hundred passes in the NFL, 1:54:17.098 --> 1:54:19.418 basically what Jalen Polk was supposed to be. Yeah, and 1:54:19.817 --> 1:54:23.057 I really, I really thought his film was was really 1:54:23.058 --> 1:54:28.338 really good. Just really smooth, doesn't fight it catches the 1:54:28.378 --> 1:54:32.138 ball really smooth. You really, he's gonna be great in 1:54:32.138 --> 1:54:34.458 the Gauntlet drill like one of those types of guys 1:54:34.658 --> 1:54:38.418 that's got great body control, great hands, catcher, transitions really 1:54:38.458 --> 1:54:41.378 quickly into yards after the catch, has quickness at the 1:54:41.378 --> 1:54:43.418 top of the route to get open and create separation. 1:54:43.858 --> 1:54:46.137 He's just not a blazer. He's just not a third 1:54:46.258 --> 1:54:49.897 level deept type of receiver. Now. He can stretch the 1:54:49.897 --> 1:54:51.698 field from the inside though. You put him, you know, 1:54:51.738 --> 1:54:54.338 as the slot guy, number two, number three in trips like. 1:54:54.418 --> 1:54:57.338 He can run the seam, he can run a deep over. 1:54:57.578 --> 1:55:00.818 He caught a touchdown pass yesterday running you know, across 1:55:00.818 --> 1:55:04.498 the field on a deep over. That those elements are there. 1:55:04.538 --> 1:55:06.418 He's just not going to win on the outside on 1:55:06.458 --> 1:55:08.977 the perimeter. But if you're building out, like kind of 1:55:09.018 --> 1:55:11.418 an offense and you're building out, you know, a receiver room. 1:55:11.658 --> 1:55:13.658 You know, if you get the outside guy in a 1:55:13.738 --> 1:55:15.778 in free agency or in the veteran market, if it's 1:55:15.818 --> 1:55:19.178 t Higgins, if it's DK Metcalf, it's whoever, if you 1:55:19.218 --> 1:55:21.618 get that guy on the outside, you know, that's what 1:55:21.658 --> 1:55:23.858 the Seahawks have going on right now. Right they have 1:55:23.937 --> 1:55:25.977 DK on the outside, they have Jason in the middle 1:55:25.978 --> 1:55:29.458 of the field. Jayson's putting up great numbers. I'm starting 1:55:29.498 --> 1:55:33.137 to really love the the idea of trading up into 1:55:33.178 --> 1:55:35.378 the back end of the first round for Buka, who 1:55:35.378 --> 1:55:36.977 I think is going to go somewhere in the twenties. 1:55:37.138 --> 1:55:39.858 Yeah, I think he's he's gonna move that high up. 1:55:39.897 --> 1:55:39.977 Now. 1:55:40.058 --> 1:55:43.538 I like, he can't be their only wide receiver edition, correct, 1:55:43.738 --> 1:55:46.498 but if you get a DK metcaffer T Higgins, he 1:55:46.538 --> 1:55:49.578 would be a really nice complimentary piece. 1:55:49.698 --> 1:55:53.138 Yeah. I feel really strongly about the fact that I 1:55:53.138 --> 1:55:55.618 don't think anybody in the Patriots receiver room is good 1:55:55.738 --> 1:56:00.017 enough that I care about positional overlap. Yeah. Like so, yes, 1:56:00.258 --> 1:56:03.778 technically he plays the same role as Jalen Polk. Jalen 1:56:03.818 --> 1:56:05.578 Polk didn't prove enough to me that I can. 1:56:05.698 --> 1:56:07.578 No, I'm with you one hundred percent. Yeah, I'm with 1:56:07.618 --> 1:56:08.418 you hundred percent on that. 1:56:08.738 --> 1:56:12.057 Uh, the next one you're really gonna hate. Yeah, I 1:56:12.058 --> 1:56:14.858 did watch Josh Simmons. Ye, so there's a lot of 1:56:15.698 --> 1:56:17.778 there's a lot of caveats with Josh Simmons, And this 1:56:17.818 --> 1:56:20.298 is a take that probably we're going to unpack a 1:56:20.338 --> 1:56:23.698 lot more moving forward, but just my quick thirty second 1:56:23.778 --> 1:56:27.258 take on him his film in the first five games 1:56:27.258 --> 1:56:30.178 of the season, No I'll get to it, Okay, that 1:56:30.218 --> 1:56:35.218 he played against Ohio State is was absolutely otherworldly, like 1:56:36.138 --> 1:56:38.178 left tackle number one in the draft, Like he would 1:56:38.218 --> 1:56:41.137 be the top tackle in the in the draft bar none. 1:56:41.338 --> 1:56:44.218 If he played like that the entire campbell. Yeah, if 1:56:44.218 --> 1:56:46.937 he was playing like that like yesterday in the bowl game, 1:56:47.058 --> 1:56:49.138 we wouldn't be even having a discussion. He would be 1:56:49.937 --> 1:56:54.658 number one. Crisp, explosive mover, really quick out of his stance. 1:56:54.818 --> 1:56:57.858 Mirror's guys. Plays a great balance, great leverage, arm length, 1:56:57.937 --> 1:56:59.897 checks that box more. I think he's gonna have like 1:56:59.937 --> 1:57:02.698 thirty five inch arms. Like he's a long dude. He's 1:57:03.098 --> 1:57:07.818 a freak athlete. Now the caveats he played nobody. Yep. 1:57:08.218 --> 1:57:10.578 He transferred in for one season at Ohio State from 1:57:10.618 --> 1:57:14.578 San Diego State, right, Sandy or Sandieo State, and so 1:57:14.618 --> 1:57:17.818 he played nobody there, right. And he also appeared to 1:57:17.858 --> 1:57:21.218 take a really big leap from where he was at 1:57:21.218 --> 1:57:23.937 San Diego State to where he was in the first 1:57:23.937 --> 1:57:28.057 five games again at Ohio State. So you're you're really 1:57:28.498 --> 1:57:30.937 you're drafting a guy based off of five game against 1:57:30.978 --> 1:57:34.218 like Michigan State. I think he played Iowa. 1:57:34.058 --> 1:57:35.698 Well, he started the full I think he started the 1:57:35.698 --> 1:57:39.138 full season last year at San Diego State. At Ohio State, No, 1:57:39.178 --> 1:57:40.858 I think this is his first year at Ohios was 1:57:40.858 --> 1:57:43.017 a second. Oh, then I gotta go back and watch, 1:57:43.138 --> 1:57:43.778 got to watch more. 1:57:44.098 --> 1:57:47.378 So he improved a lot. Is the point from this 1:57:47.418 --> 1:57:52.298 year to last year? So was that competition? Was he 1:57:52.298 --> 1:57:55.538 gonna keep it up? And he played a half against Oregon. 1:57:55.738 --> 1:57:57.977 He did give up a pressure and half against Oregon, 1:57:58.498 --> 1:57:59.977 but then he got hurt and then he's been out 1:58:00.018 --> 1:58:03.698 for ever since. So it's a risk. It's you're you're 1:58:03.738 --> 1:58:05.177 banking on five game sampled. 1:58:05.258 --> 1:58:08.177 Okay, what have we said about the tackle position going 1:58:08.218 --> 1:58:09.578 back to like last offseason. 1:58:11.098 --> 1:58:13.578 Yeah, it's it's no half measures, it's a it's a 1:58:13.578 --> 1:58:15.977 half measure, it's a risk, whatever you want to call it, right, 1:58:16.378 --> 1:58:20.097 it's it's a risk. Now would you feel better because 1:58:20.658 --> 1:58:21.538 the tape. 1:58:21.578 --> 1:58:23.578 And yeah he was he's a full time start Ohio States. 1:58:23.658 --> 1:58:25.498 Okay, so you need to go I gotta watch that 1:58:25.578 --> 1:58:27.298 because I from what I've heard, and I'm going off 1:58:27.338 --> 1:58:30.458 of what uh what Brennan Thorne right in his right 1:58:30.578 --> 1:58:32.858 up about him? He was nowhere. He was not this 1:58:32.937 --> 1:58:33.618 level of player. 1:58:34.178 --> 1:58:35.858 I can just give you his numbers I can't tell 1:58:35.858 --> 1:58:38.217 you off the top of my head. He allowed fifteen 1:58:38.258 --> 1:58:40.097 pressures with eight penalties last year. 1:58:40.178 --> 1:58:42.498 Yeah, so he got a lot better, a lot better 1:58:42.978 --> 1:58:45.458 and has made a real big leap and then didn't 1:58:45.498 --> 1:58:48.338 play the tough part of their schedule. So you're really 1:58:48.378 --> 1:58:51.858 banging on. You're getting the player that dominated against like. 1:58:51.937 --> 1:58:55.018 Jack Green, Western Michigan, Marshall, Michigan State, and Iowa. 1:58:55.058 --> 1:58:57.738 So Iowa usually has some pretty good defensive linemen. 1:58:57.818 --> 1:58:59.858 Though they allowed like free points a game this year. 1:58:59.937 --> 1:59:02.538 Okay, but they usually have pretty good defensive lines. I 1:59:02.578 --> 1:59:04.258 maybe they don't this year, but. 1:59:04.418 --> 1:59:06.818 So you're you're drafting him off twenty seven pass block 1:59:06.858 --> 1:59:09.138 snaps against Iowa. 1:59:09.258 --> 1:59:12.098 I don't disagree. It's it's a it's not it's a 1:59:12.178 --> 1:59:14.298 risky thing, but we have to talk about it. We 1:59:14.378 --> 1:59:16.338 have to talk about it. Yeah, you're right, we have 1:59:16.338 --> 1:59:16.897 to talk about it. 1:59:16.937 --> 1:59:19.097 I would say, this is you telling me I talk 1:59:19.138 --> 1:59:22.257 about it, wouldn't And it's a little bit different. 1:59:22.937 --> 1:59:24.738 Another damn is gonna get rolled? Yeah they are. 1:59:25.058 --> 1:59:27.178 Do you want to draft Dominique Easley to beat to 1:59:27.218 --> 1:59:27.977 protect Drake May? 1:59:28.258 --> 1:59:31.618 It's way different than that. So I domin easily was like. 1:59:32.058 --> 1:59:33.897 I need to see how bad the knee injury is. 1:59:33.937 --> 1:59:38.018 It hasn't been reported exactly what it was, but there 1:59:38.218 --> 1:59:40.618 because they don't have to put out injury boards. Yeah, 1:59:40.698 --> 1:59:43.937 there's some chatter that it might have been really bad. 1:59:44.498 --> 1:59:50.098 Okay, but if you have between one really catastrophic injury. 1:59:49.658 --> 1:59:51.578 And then like if you have a guy with the 1:59:51.738 --> 1:59:55.498 completely reconstructed knee, that is a ticking time bomb. 1:59:55.618 --> 1:59:56.738 Yeah, no doubt. 1:59:56.897 --> 2:00:00.297 I'm just saying I for other teams make sense. Certainly 2:00:00.698 --> 2:00:03.858 the Patriots couldnot afford. Let's put this way, is it 2:00:03.897 --> 2:00:05.897 worth the wrist that his knee blows up again and 2:00:05.937 --> 2:00:09.538 now you burned that pick? When there are other tackles 2:00:09.578 --> 2:00:12.618 who have similar ceilings, maybe not the same floor, but 2:00:12.658 --> 2:00:14.338 similar ceilings on the table. 2:00:14.338 --> 2:00:16.338 Are there similar ceilings? He's really good. 2:00:16.698 --> 2:00:19.378 You don't think Banks is a similar ceiling. You don't 2:00:19.418 --> 2:00:22.338 think Campbell if a similar I think Banks is definitely 2:00:22.418 --> 2:00:24.898 a safer pick. I don't think he has a similar. 2:00:24.618 --> 2:00:28.618 I want a safe picksh Simmons has like real like 2:00:28.738 --> 2:00:30.017 all pro caliber ceilings. 2:00:30.018 --> 2:00:33.258 I want to say, what about Connory? No, I want 2:00:33.258 --> 2:00:35.658 a safe pick. I don't want to do this whole 2:00:35.658 --> 2:00:36.137 thing again. 2:00:36.258 --> 2:00:38.138 Okay, where we don't know who the left tackle is 2:00:38.138 --> 2:00:40.778 week to week for three years. Let me ask you this, 2:00:41.218 --> 2:00:44.578 it's valid. Let me ask you this. Yeah, if they 2:00:44.578 --> 2:00:46.818 go out in free agency and they signed Cam Robinson 2:00:46.897 --> 2:00:48.498 or they signed Ronnie Stance. 2:00:48.378 --> 2:00:51.258 Then just make Cam Robinson your tackle and draft your 2:00:51.298 --> 2:00:52.618 future left tackle next year. 2:00:53.458 --> 2:00:56.177 Okay, but you wouldn't take Josh Simmons on Day two 2:00:56.618 --> 2:01:00.338 as like this project. You know, you know what I'm saying, Like. 2:01:00.498 --> 2:01:02.498 They can't they can't really afford to be using top 2:01:02.538 --> 2:01:05.178 one hundred picks on guys that aren't gonna play, all right, 2:01:05.258 --> 2:01:08.257 fair enough, it's just hard to not go get Caden 2:01:08.258 --> 2:01:11.017 Proctor next year. At that point, it's just hard to deny. No, 2:01:11.098 --> 2:01:13.738 he's the tape was incredible. He makes sense for he 2:01:13.818 --> 2:01:17.218 makes sense for some teams I make. This is crazy. 2:01:17.258 --> 2:01:19.418 This was if this was like five years ago, when 2:01:19.458 --> 2:01:21.418 you knew Nate Soldier was towards the end and you 2:01:21.538 --> 2:01:24.178 had talent elsewhere on the offensive line, sign me the 2:01:24.218 --> 2:01:26.937 hell up for where this team's at right now. They 2:01:26.978 --> 2:01:29.698 cannot use top one hundred picks on guys with medical 2:01:29.738 --> 2:01:33.137 flags and guys that win or guys that won't play 2:01:33.218 --> 2:01:36.378 or aren't designed to play in the upcoming season. Can't 2:01:36.378 --> 2:01:38.778 do it, can't afford to do it, Okay, I I had. 2:01:38.778 --> 2:01:40.178 That's how I feel. I bring it up. 2:01:40.178 --> 2:01:41.418 We have to know, we have to talk about it. 2:01:41.538 --> 2:01:43.017 We have to give our takes. We gave our takes 2:01:43.018 --> 2:01:45.298 on him. Although you're you're suddenly so in on a 2:01:45.298 --> 2:01:47.178 guy that played nobody, but you still won't give ash 2:01:47.218 --> 2:01:49.937 and genty the Oregon game. I find that interesting. Oregon's 2:01:49.978 --> 2:01:51.738 defense a lot better than I was defense. 2:01:52.018 --> 2:01:55.338 He's so he was. He was very impressive. I hate 2:01:55.378 --> 2:01:57.738 throwing out comps. You know that. I hate throwing up 2:01:57.937 --> 2:02:03.338 like crazy, crazy comps. But like one name that just 2:02:03.458 --> 2:02:05.658 kind of came to mind is watching him with Tyron Smith, 2:02:06.058 --> 2:02:09.818 like he's his film. He was that dominant all right 2:02:09.937 --> 2:02:11.498 against nobody, but he was that It. 2:02:11.418 --> 2:02:13.458 Would be great if they had the flexibility to take 2:02:13.498 --> 2:02:16.178 that risk. I don't think they do, especially if it's 2:02:16.178 --> 2:02:17.097 still Elliott Wolf. 2:02:17.378 --> 2:02:17.818 I hear you. 2:02:17.897 --> 2:02:19.618 I don't think they do. I have one recency bias. 2:02:21.338 --> 2:02:23.578 Matthew Golden, So I know you like guys a bond. 2:02:23.778 --> 2:02:26.858 Yeah, No, he's he was impressive. I might like Golden. 2:02:26.858 --> 2:02:29.217 I thought you, I thought you were gonna say Cam's Kataboo. Well, 2:02:29.258 --> 2:02:33.937 obviously should be a patriot, but no, I liked what 2:02:33.978 --> 2:02:36.658 I saw. So Matthew Golden, maybe this is where we 2:02:36.698 --> 2:02:38.897 meet in the middle. Because last week I asked you, 2:02:38.937 --> 2:02:41.137 what does Isaiah Bond do well besides be fast? 2:02:41.178 --> 2:02:42.778 And you couldn't give me any I don't have an answer. 2:02:42.778 --> 2:02:44.937 You don't have an answer. What is Matthew Golden do well? One, 2:02:44.937 --> 2:02:47.658 He's bigger, he's built for the NFL. I think he 2:02:47.658 --> 2:02:50.418 has more positional versatility, and I think he's a better 2:02:50.458 --> 2:02:52.778 route runner. I don't know that he's a great runner, 2:02:52.818 --> 2:02:53.858 but I think he's better. 2:02:53.658 --> 2:02:56.458 His body control and uh and obviously his ability to 2:02:56.498 --> 2:02:59.297 have when above the room with his lanth, yeah, is impressive. 2:02:59.378 --> 2:03:01.698 And he's I think he can play the Z or 2:03:01.738 --> 2:03:04.858 the slot. He gives you some flexibility. He's still explosive. 2:03:04.897 --> 2:03:06.378 I don't know that his forty is going to be 2:03:06.378 --> 2:03:08.498 as good as Isaiah Bond's, but yeah, I would put 2:03:08.578 --> 2:03:11.858 him in the explosive we're talking about Marvin Mims earlier. Yeah, 2:03:11.897 --> 2:03:13.378 he was a little I have to watch him a 2:03:13.378 --> 2:03:13.858 little closer. 2:03:13.858 --> 2:03:15.538 I don't know he's quite as fast as Marvin No, 2:03:15.618 --> 2:03:16.498 but he's fast. 2:03:16.538 --> 2:03:18.538 I wouldn't say he's he's like, remember we said Ted 2:03:18.618 --> 2:03:21.937 McMillan isn't slow, but he's not fast. I'll call Matthew 2:03:21.937 --> 2:03:25.258 Golden fast. Okay, Right now, he's projected to be a 2:03:25.298 --> 2:03:27.818 Day three pick. I don't think that stands. He's going 2:03:27.897 --> 2:03:30.218 to be a Day two guy. Maybe more like late 2:03:30.258 --> 2:03:33.178 set and early third. But again, shouldn't be the only 2:03:33.218 --> 2:03:35.458 pick at wide receiver. Definitely shouldn't be the only pick. 2:03:36.178 --> 2:03:37.698 But if you go out and you get a DK 2:03:37.778 --> 2:03:40.618 Metcalf to here, so let's say they can't trade up 2:03:41.218 --> 2:03:43.977 for a booka right, ye Matthew Golden, I think would 2:03:43.978 --> 2:03:46.177 be another really good answer. Yeah, you know, Matthew Golden 2:03:46.258 --> 2:03:47.937 is if he comes out, he is a true junior. 2:03:48.298 --> 2:03:51.378 I could see him waiting, so that caveato. 2:03:51.578 --> 2:03:54.057 So he's gonna be in that same category and then 2:03:54.058 --> 2:03:56.017 we gotta go. But yeah, he's gonna be in the 2:03:56.018 --> 2:03:59.097 same category. To me, Matthew Golden as like the Trey 2:03:59.138 --> 2:04:04.258 Harris is. I can't pronounce the kid from Stanford's name. Uh, shoot, 2:04:04.258 --> 2:04:07.458 I can't do. I am minor Io manner. Yeah, yeah, 2:04:07.458 --> 2:04:09.578 I am manor Uh the Miami kid. 2:04:10.178 --> 2:04:13.818 Oh, I really like Ristreppo Yeastreo I might put Rastrepo 2:04:13.897 --> 2:04:14.738 in Golden. 2:04:14.418 --> 2:04:16.778 Savion Williams, like they're all gonna be in like this 2:04:16.937 --> 2:04:21.578 day two bucket, like it's gonna be McConkie poll Ke again, 2:04:21.858 --> 2:04:22.578 I might put. 2:04:22.818 --> 2:04:25.177 I might put Rostrepo and Golden like a step ahead 2:04:25.178 --> 2:04:27.538 of guys like Ao Manor and and Trey Harris. 2:04:27.698 --> 2:04:29.698 Rostreppa reminds me a lot of Khalil Share, which is 2:04:29.698 --> 2:04:30.418 a compliment by the. 2:04:30.937 --> 2:04:34.578 I am a super lazy comp, but I have a 2:04:34.618 --> 2:04:39.458 super lazy comp. It's Ricky Piersoll. Okay, remember my whole 2:04:39.458 --> 2:04:42.218 thing last year is Ricky Piersoll plays the position angry. Yeah, 2:04:42.658 --> 2:04:43.738 Xavier strep I mean it. 2:04:43.818 --> 2:04:45.698 Kind of close your care. It's a little I guess 2:04:45.738 --> 2:04:48.818 I see a little with him. Anyways, our Streppo is 2:04:48.818 --> 2:04:51.378 also bigger. Yeah, he's a good player. He's gonna be 2:04:51.418 --> 2:04:53.818 a good player in the league. Uh. Okay, so that 2:04:54.138 --> 2:04:57.017 does it for us. Here. We're gonna go watch Georgia 2:04:57.058 --> 2:05:00.017 Notre damn here, I'm sure in a second, and uh 2:05:00.058 --> 2:05:01.977 and we're gonna have plenty of this draft talk. We 2:05:02.098 --> 2:05:04.698 got a ton of emails anymore, Thank you so much 2:05:04.698 --> 2:05:06.658 for all the emails. We didn't get to quite all 2:05:06.698 --> 2:05:08.738 of them, but I tried to bake them all into 2:05:08.738 --> 2:05:11.418 the show more months. 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