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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 1: is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex bar.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lazar Blazar from Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. All right, Let's go to the downs.

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Speaker 2: You got seventeen of them, so hurry up. That is you.

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Speaker 2: Last week you told me you had like six down? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how many do you have this week? I mean, this

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Speaker 2: game was even worse.

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Speaker 3: I just kind of bundle them all together.

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Speaker 2: I did kind of do that. Okay, you did you

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Speaker 2: do offense, defense, special teams. No, I should have done that.

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Speaker 2: This would have been a good week to do that. Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start right now. I

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Speaker 2: sponsor of the New England Patriots. Hello everybody, Evan Lazar,

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Speaker 2: Alex Barth, Patriots Catch twenty two with you for the

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Speaker 2: next couple hours, and we're obviously gonna talk plenty off season.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk plenty of draft. That's gonna be the meat

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Speaker 2: of today's show, as it will be for the next

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Speaker 2: four or five months. Ready on Catch twenty ye Wait

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Speaker 2: for insincerity being sincere That kind of came off like

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Speaker 2: I was being sarcastic about that.

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Speaker 3: But I do love it.

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Speaker 2: I do wish that we were talking about playoffs and

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Speaker 2: competitive football absolutely, uh So. But this is where I

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Speaker 2: want to start today because I think it's important for

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Speaker 2: us to still talk about what's going on in the

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Speaker 2: of this football team. Alex and I just coming off

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Speaker 2: know you you're just not a very good team. You're

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Speaker 2: on the road, right, like all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: They could have played a game like they did in

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Speaker 2: The one thing that this coaching staff could not afford

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Speaker 2: So they're not a wagon. We're not talking. If the

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Speaker 2: But then at the same time, it's like, okay, but

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Speaker 3: The whole thing with that Bills game was you just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I want to talk a little bit about,

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Speaker 3: the two between Alex van Pelt.

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Speaker 3: You know you don't have the talent to run it,

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Speaker 3: but you can still get to the point with a handoff,

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Speaker 2: A toss, right, So it's tough. That's I think a

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Speaker 2: great microcosm of everything on offense is that particular play

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Speaker 2: they don't have the talent, they don't have the chemistry

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Speaker 2: It's like it goes back like fifty years. Like they've

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Speaker 2: Like this is not new to football by any stretch

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, but you know that's hard, like that,

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Speaker 2: that's hard to coordinate an offense, and everybody is And

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Speaker 2: I get that there's been some criticism about him reacting

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Speaker 2: And so like, what do you do if you're Van

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Speaker 2: Pelt is a really good question. So basically what I'm

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Speaker 2: I watch their offensive film. It's not so much that

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Speaker 2: I don't think that they have a plan or like

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Speaker 2: tight end, So like, what are you supposed to really look?

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Speaker 3: There's certainly a case to talk about the coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying the coaching is perfect.

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Speaker 3: There's also some coaches that are considered great coaches that

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Speaker 3: If you don't improve the talent, that is issue number one,

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Speaker 2: It's a good question. Obviously you don't have to, right

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Speaker 3: It's it's the players on the field that ultimately decide

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a great point. And again I'm

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Speaker 2: But they don't have the capability of running like two

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Speaker 2: They don't play that way. They're constantly pulled out and

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Speaker 2: great pass game coordinator. He's a very very good run

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Speaker 2: If they were getting torched by like you know, Roman's

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Speaker 2: And just talking to some of the players after the

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Speaker 2: They have all these tricks and all these game plan

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Speaker 2: The they don't have guys that can play mann zone

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Speaker 3: Well, some of that, I think it's tie talent. Remember

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Speaker 2: So I think that's tied too. But at the end

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Speaker 3: Like it's I think this was another game where they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they they are now thirtieth in the league

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Speaker 2: inability to manufacture pressure. Remember when they traded Matthew Judon,

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Speaker 2: That has basically been cut in half. This year They're

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Speaker 2: they can't really just rush four and get home, that's

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Speaker 3: I can see it.

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Speaker 2: Three up, three down? What's what are your Do you

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Speaker 3: Okay, uh, number one is cold strange. Now, he wasn't

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Speaker 3: perfect in this game. He certainly wasn't perfect, but he

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Speaker 2: He didn't have any bad snaps.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he looked the part of the position.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think he was looked completely overwhelmed or out

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know how many times is Derwin James

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Speaker 2: pickup and protections and things like that. And you know,

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00:21:19,378 --> 00:21:21,738
Speaker 2: in the run game. I still felt like there were

433
00:21:21,818 --> 00:21:26,138
Speaker 2: times where he was getting out muscled by the DT's

434
00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:30,058
Speaker 2: on the Chargers, but I agree those were like sort

435
00:21:30,098 --> 00:21:32,578
Speaker 2: of my nip picks I guess of this game for him.

436
00:21:32,578 --> 00:21:36,298
Speaker 2: But I overall, I thought that it was encouraging, like,

437
00:21:36,418 --> 00:21:39,018
Speaker 2: let's see what this looks like after a full offseason

438
00:21:39,018 --> 00:21:42,978
Speaker 2: in training camp and just looking at David Andrews's injury history.

439
00:21:43,178 --> 00:21:48,138
Speaker 2: Love David Andrews, but he's had a lot of injuries.

440
00:21:48,138 --> 00:21:52,218
Speaker 2: At this point. I don't know if David Andrews is

441
00:21:52,258 --> 00:21:54,938
Speaker 2: gonna come back next year and be the same guy.

442
00:21:55,298 --> 00:21:56,818
Speaker 2: And I don't know if we're going to be in

443
00:21:56,858 --> 00:21:59,938
Speaker 2: a situation where we're two weeks into training camp and

444
00:21:59,978 --> 00:22:02,538
Speaker 2: he kind of realizes that he doesn't have it anymore, Right, Like,

445
00:22:02,578 --> 00:22:05,138
Speaker 2: I hope that's not the case, but you have to

446
00:22:05,138 --> 00:22:08,138
Speaker 2: prepare for that outcome, and maybe cold Strange is the

447
00:22:08,178 --> 00:22:08,978
Speaker 2: backup plan there.

448
00:22:09,058 --> 00:22:10,657
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at the very least, we'll see what

449
00:22:10,698 --> 00:22:12,578
Speaker 3: he does on Sunday, but at the very least you

450
00:22:12,618 --> 00:22:14,378
Speaker 3: have an option. I would still like to see them

451
00:22:14,378 --> 00:22:16,298
Speaker 3: take a center, maybe on day three, because even if

452
00:22:16,298 --> 00:22:19,178
Speaker 3: cold Strange is the guy, you now need his backup, right, But.

453
00:22:19,658 --> 00:22:23,738
Speaker 2: It was he looked good for what it was. I

454
00:22:23,778 --> 00:22:27,738
Speaker 2: was impressed for what that was. Yeah, Okay, My number

455
00:22:27,778 --> 00:22:30,177
Speaker 2: one up in this game was Anthony Jennings. I did

456
00:22:30,258 --> 00:22:32,378
Speaker 2: two up. I did won an offense, one in defense.

457
00:22:32,858 --> 00:22:35,298
Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings I thought was the one guy that kind

458
00:22:35,298 --> 00:22:37,378
Speaker 2: of came to play on the defense. Had those two

459
00:22:37,458 --> 00:22:39,458
Speaker 2: run stuffs early in the game, very first play of

460
00:22:39,458 --> 00:22:42,538
Speaker 2: the game, stuff to a run to try to set

461
00:22:42,578 --> 00:22:44,378
Speaker 2: the tone a little bit. I also had him with

462
00:22:44,418 --> 00:22:47,258
Speaker 2: four quarterback pressures in this game. I thought this was

463
00:22:47,298 --> 00:22:49,578
Speaker 2: a nice bounced back game for him after he struggled

464
00:22:49,578 --> 00:22:52,138
Speaker 2: a little bit in Buffalo. And you know, I think

465
00:22:52,138 --> 00:22:53,778
Speaker 2: he's a solid player for them. Do I think he's

466
00:22:53,778 --> 00:22:55,538
Speaker 2: a game changer. No, but I think that he has

467
00:22:55,578 --> 00:22:58,578
Speaker 2: a role in the defense in the NFL, setting the edge,

468
00:22:58,658 --> 00:23:02,018
Speaker 2: playing first and second down, and they have something in

469
00:23:02,058 --> 00:23:03,258
Speaker 2: that in that respect.

470
00:23:03,778 --> 00:23:04,578
Speaker 3: He's my other up.

471
00:23:04,738 --> 00:23:07,818
Speaker 2: Okay. My other up was just Tomario Douglas because the

472
00:23:07,898 --> 00:23:10,418
Speaker 2: touchdown was the only offensive play they made all day

473
00:23:10,658 --> 00:23:12,658
Speaker 2: and it was really him, Like, not to take anything

474
00:23:12,698 --> 00:23:15,578
Speaker 2: away from Drake May, but it was he made the

475
00:23:15,938 --> 00:23:16,458
Speaker 2: hell of the catch.

476
00:23:16,538 --> 00:23:18,858
Speaker 3: I'll get Drake May and Cole Strange gets some credit

477
00:23:18,858 --> 00:23:22,177
Speaker 3: to for like getting that free play, getting the snap off.

478
00:23:22,218 --> 00:23:24,338
Speaker 3: It's an unreal catch. I was attempted to put Douglas.

479
00:23:24,698 --> 00:23:27,298
Speaker 3: Who do you put the fault on on the blown

480
00:23:27,338 --> 00:23:29,658
Speaker 3: pitch plays it Douglas for not getting the spot in time,

481
00:23:29,938 --> 00:23:31,898
Speaker 3: or May for the toss to out in front of.

482
00:23:31,858 --> 00:23:34,538
Speaker 2: Him, I put I would put it mostly on May.

483
00:23:34,578 --> 00:23:38,018
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a great toss, And I

484
00:23:38,058 --> 00:23:39,978
Speaker 2: also I am with you that in terms of the

485
00:23:40,018 --> 00:23:41,658
Speaker 2: design of the play, I didn't love that it was

486
00:23:41,698 --> 00:23:43,978
Speaker 2: a toss to begin with. Yeah, so the Bills ran

487
00:23:44,058 --> 00:23:46,578
Speaker 2: it as a toss on the goal line to Khalil Shakir,

488
00:23:46,978 --> 00:23:48,538
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it was supposed to be

489
00:23:48,578 --> 00:23:50,378
Speaker 2: a toss, it might have just ended up being a

490
00:23:50,378 --> 00:23:53,058
Speaker 2: toss because it just didn't hit exactly how they wanted

491
00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:55,178
Speaker 2: it to hit. Kind of similarly to this one. The

492
00:23:55,258 --> 00:23:59,218
Speaker 2: Lions always run this play as a handoff. It's a

493
00:23:59,258 --> 00:24:00,538
Speaker 2: straight handof.

494
00:24:00,098 --> 00:24:02,898
Speaker 3: So most of the time when I see that play

495
00:24:02,938 --> 00:24:05,178
Speaker 3: as a toss, it's at the college level. Yeah, and

496
00:24:05,218 --> 00:24:07,138
Speaker 3: it's a little easier to do because you run it,

497
00:24:07,738 --> 00:24:09,778
Speaker 3: you motion the guy from the short side, so he's

498
00:24:09,818 --> 00:24:11,818
Speaker 3: not coming as far from the from the sideline with

499
00:24:11,818 --> 00:24:14,258
Speaker 3: the hashes being further out. I'm trying to remember if

500
00:24:14,258 --> 00:24:15,818
Speaker 3: I've seen as a toss in the NFL. I was

501
00:24:15,818 --> 00:24:18,818
Speaker 3: trying to find it. Sure I have, but in the

502
00:24:18,938 --> 00:24:20,378
Speaker 3: NFL that's usually a handoff play.

503
00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:23,858
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that it should have been a handoff play,

504
00:24:23,938 --> 00:24:26,178
Speaker 2: and it didn't sound like it was ever supposed to

505
00:24:26,178 --> 00:24:27,698
Speaker 2: be a handoff play, Like I think that was a

506
00:24:27,978 --> 00:24:30,818
Speaker 2: toss all the way. Yeah, So yeah, I I didn't

507
00:24:30,858 --> 00:24:33,258
Speaker 2: put it on Douglas, and I thought again that his

508
00:24:33,378 --> 00:24:35,978
Speaker 2: touchdown catch and the adjustment that he made and the

509
00:24:36,018 --> 00:24:38,378
Speaker 2: catch that he made was in an incredible catch and

510
00:24:38,418 --> 00:24:40,338
Speaker 2: it was really the only offensive highlight of the game.

511
00:24:40,458 --> 00:24:42,418
Speaker 2: So yep, there you go, all right to the downs.

512
00:24:43,138 --> 00:24:48,218
Speaker 3: So my biggest issue in this game was the situational defense. Yeah,

513
00:24:48,658 --> 00:24:51,058
Speaker 3: ten of seventeen on third down, the charges, ten of

514
00:24:51,098 --> 00:24:53,378
Speaker 3: seventeen on third down. They were good in the red zone,

515
00:24:53,458 --> 00:24:56,138
Speaker 3: they were good in the two minutes. The defense wasn't

516
00:24:56,138 --> 00:24:59,978
Speaker 3: good overall in this game, but it felt like every

517
00:25:00,058 --> 00:25:04,258
Speaker 3: single potential pivot moment you saw some of the worst

518
00:25:04,338 --> 00:25:07,778
Speaker 3: performances they had throughout the afternoon. Yeah, and that goes

519
00:25:07,818 --> 00:25:10,698
Speaker 3: to coaching, That goes to coaching, so that that was

520
00:25:10,738 --> 00:25:13,578
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that stood out to me. There's been

521
00:25:13,578 --> 00:25:16,018
Speaker 3: a lot made about the time of possession. Patriots had

522
00:25:16,018 --> 00:25:18,018
Speaker 3: the ball for under twenty minutes, by the way, s

523
00:25:18,058 --> 00:25:20,058
Speaker 3: their second such game this year. It's the first time

524
00:25:20,258 --> 00:25:22,818
Speaker 3: since at least the eighties that that's happened. Yeah, but

525
00:25:23,538 --> 00:25:24,978
Speaker 3: and a lot of people looked at that as the

526
00:25:25,018 --> 00:25:27,338
Speaker 3: offense and look, the offense couldn't stay on the field, certainly,

527
00:25:27,938 --> 00:25:30,738
Speaker 3: but some of that was the defense couldn't get off either.

528
00:25:30,778 --> 00:25:33,138
Speaker 3: They were some long drives in that game. Yeah, from

529
00:25:33,178 --> 00:25:35,498
Speaker 3: the Chargers. The situational defense was just not there.

530
00:25:35,618 --> 00:25:37,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked some of this up. I'm not a

531
00:25:37,378 --> 00:25:40,258
Speaker 2: big time of possession guy, as you could probably imagine.

532
00:25:40,258 --> 00:25:44,338
Speaker 3: Well, have the Chargers ran seventy seven plays? Yeah, that's

533
00:25:44,378 --> 00:25:46,818
Speaker 3: an absurd now, as I'm saying, and I want to

534
00:25:46,818 --> 00:25:47,418
Speaker 3: double check.

535
00:25:47,338 --> 00:25:52,578
Speaker 2: To defensive film, was thirty minutes seventy that's insane offense.

536
00:25:53,138 --> 00:25:55,258
Speaker 3: You don't have teams that run seventy seven plays in

537
00:25:55,298 --> 00:25:56,098
Speaker 3: an overtime game.

538
00:25:56,178 --> 00:25:59,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's insane when you look at time of possession.

539
00:25:59,298 --> 00:26:01,738
Speaker 2: I think you know the reason why. You know, I'm

540
00:26:01,738 --> 00:26:03,898
Speaker 2: not big on time of possession Sometimes just because of

541
00:26:03,898 --> 00:26:05,938
Speaker 2: the context right of why you're on the field and

542
00:26:05,978 --> 00:26:06,458
Speaker 2: why you're not.

543
00:26:07,178 --> 00:26:09,538
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I think play disparity fits at So yeah,

544
00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:12,978
Speaker 3: for the disparities point Chargers ran seventy seven plays, it's

545
00:26:12,978 --> 00:26:14,018
Speaker 3: not like it was a quick game.

546
00:26:14,178 --> 00:26:18,578
Speaker 2: Patriots ran forty eight. Yeah. Yeah, So last year it

547
00:26:18,618 --> 00:26:20,818
Speaker 2: felt like the Patriots defense was on the field a

548
00:26:20,818 --> 00:26:23,138
Speaker 2: lot because of the offense, because they were good on

549
00:26:23,218 --> 00:26:26,098
Speaker 2: third down last year there I think they were ninth

550
00:26:26,138 --> 00:26:27,698
Speaker 2: in the league. I want to say on third down

551
00:26:27,738 --> 00:26:30,538
Speaker 2: and twenty three like they were. It wasn't because they

552
00:26:30,578 --> 00:26:33,098
Speaker 2: were letting teams extend drives all the time. Right this

553
00:26:33,218 --> 00:26:35,658
Speaker 2: year both have been a problem they have the offense

554
00:26:35,658 --> 00:26:37,698
Speaker 2: can't stay on the field and the defense can't get

555
00:26:37,738 --> 00:26:39,978
Speaker 2: off of it. The defense right now is bottom third

556
00:26:40,018 --> 00:26:41,378
Speaker 2: of the league. And third down I want to say

557
00:26:41,378 --> 00:26:44,058
Speaker 2: they're twenty fourth or one of them's twenty fourth and

558
00:26:44,058 --> 00:26:45,418
Speaker 2: one of them is twenty seventh. I don't know which

559
00:26:45,458 --> 00:26:47,698
Speaker 2: one's red zone and which one's third down off the

560
00:26:47,698 --> 00:26:50,378
Speaker 2: top of my head. So basically they're they're not good

561
00:26:50,418 --> 00:26:53,978
Speaker 2: on third down on defense. So now the problem is

562
00:26:53,978 --> 00:26:55,978
Speaker 2: is that the offense can't sustained drives but also the

563
00:26:55,978 --> 00:26:58,018
Speaker 2: defense can't get off the field, so some of this

564
00:26:58,458 --> 00:27:01,458
Speaker 2: time of possession stuff is self inflicted for the defense

565
00:27:01,498 --> 00:27:03,818
Speaker 2: this year. Maybe you couldn't say that in twenty two

566
00:27:03,818 --> 00:27:06,058
Speaker 2: and twenty three, but this year this is definitely some

567
00:27:06,058 --> 00:27:09,338
Speaker 2: self inflicted stuff on the defensive side. I went with

568
00:27:09,378 --> 00:27:11,498
Speaker 2: the player a couple of players, and then I had

569
00:27:11,538 --> 00:27:15,018
Speaker 2: one like sort of like what you just did. But

570
00:27:15,138 --> 00:27:17,338
Speaker 2: Number one down for me in this game is Jonathan Jones.

571
00:27:17,538 --> 00:27:19,858
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate to pick on Jonathan Jones because

572
00:27:19,858 --> 00:27:23,218
Speaker 2: I love Jonathan Jones, but eight catches, ninety one yards,

573
00:27:23,978 --> 00:27:26,738
Speaker 2: gave up a touchdown. You know, mcconkee just was too

574
00:27:26,778 --> 00:27:29,018
Speaker 2: good for him, Like he was just outclassed by Malconukee

575
00:27:29,138 --> 00:27:31,658
Speaker 2: in this game. That does not bode well to me

576
00:27:32,378 --> 00:27:35,538
Speaker 2: for John Jones long term. I know he's really good

577
00:27:35,538 --> 00:27:38,498
Speaker 2: against Shakir. He deserves his flowers for that. I gave

578
00:27:38,538 --> 00:27:40,978
Speaker 2: him to him last week. But it seems like this

579
00:27:41,058 --> 00:27:43,698
Speaker 2: has been more of what we've gotten from John Jones

580
00:27:43,738 --> 00:27:46,018
Speaker 2: this year than the Shakiir game. Kind of felt like

581
00:27:46,058 --> 00:27:49,618
Speaker 2: an outlier a little bit for him. And as we

582
00:27:49,658 --> 00:27:52,858
Speaker 2: start to talk about the draft and the offseason, I

583
00:27:52,898 --> 00:27:55,378
Speaker 2: don't know how you go into next year with Jonathan

584
00:27:55,458 --> 00:27:58,138
Speaker 2: Jones and Marcus Jones. Is your your number two and

585
00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:00,818
Speaker 2: number three corners? I think you need to upgrade the

586
00:28:00,898 --> 00:28:03,938
Speaker 2: number two cornerback spot and put the Joneses back in

587
00:28:03,978 --> 00:28:06,098
Speaker 2: the slot, like if the you know that. To me,

588
00:28:06,618 --> 00:28:09,458
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones at this point is probably more of like

589
00:28:09,498 --> 00:28:12,338
Speaker 2: a safety corner. Like he's probably like a nickel or

590
00:28:12,378 --> 00:28:15,338
Speaker 2: a dime safety corner and you know, maybe plays a

591
00:28:15,378 --> 00:28:16,858
Speaker 2: little bit in the deep part of the field a

592
00:28:16,898 --> 00:28:19,738
Speaker 2: little more next year if he's back, I don't know

593
00:28:19,738 --> 00:28:22,458
Speaker 2: if his days of I'm gonna take this guy in

594
00:28:22,538 --> 00:28:24,858
Speaker 2: man to man coverage for four quarters, I don't know

595
00:28:24,898 --> 00:28:27,978
Speaker 2: if that is in him anymore. I think we might

596
00:28:28,058 --> 00:28:31,298
Speaker 2: have moved past that stage of his career. So just

597
00:28:31,338 --> 00:28:34,218
Speaker 2: from a bigger picture standpoint, not depict so much on

598
00:28:34,338 --> 00:28:38,538
Speaker 2: John Jones. I I feel like cornerback two is now

599
00:28:38,778 --> 00:28:40,458
Speaker 2: right on the list, you know, put it right in

600
00:28:40,498 --> 00:28:42,938
Speaker 2: the top five. Yeah, it's a it's a major need.

601
00:28:42,978 --> 00:28:44,978
Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, all right, number two.

602
00:28:45,818 --> 00:28:47,778
Speaker 3: Uh, Kyle Dugar And I feel like I have him

603
00:28:47,778 --> 00:28:50,578
Speaker 3: on it every week at this point, and is what

604
00:28:50,658 --> 00:28:53,138
Speaker 3: I get, He's battling through something, but he just can

605
00:28:53,218 --> 00:28:57,258
Speaker 3: there continues to be mistackles, miscoverage assignments, like a couple

606
00:28:57,298 --> 00:28:59,578
Speaker 3: of times a game where he is like it kind

607
00:28:59,618 --> 00:29:01,778
Speaker 3: of seems like teams are targeting him now, yeah, to

608
00:29:01,818 --> 00:29:04,298
Speaker 3: try to take advantage of him, and it's you hope

609
00:29:04,298 --> 00:29:06,178
Speaker 3: it's just the ankle and he comes back next year

610
00:29:06,258 --> 00:29:08,378
Speaker 3: looking more like the guy he was in twenty twenty three.

611
00:29:08,458 --> 00:29:12,778
Speaker 3: But this version of him is they he can't play

612
00:29:12,818 --> 00:29:13,858
Speaker 3: the role they needed to play.

613
00:29:14,698 --> 00:29:18,418
Speaker 2: So his eyes are the problem to me right now.

614
00:29:18,738 --> 00:29:21,338
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm sure that some of the recovery

615
00:29:21,578 --> 00:29:23,738
Speaker 2: is being affected by the ankle. I mean, like, you know,

616
00:29:23,778 --> 00:29:26,138
Speaker 2: recovering when you're your fall step or you're you're a

617
00:29:26,178 --> 00:29:28,938
Speaker 2: little bit out of position. Some of that is probably

618
00:29:28,978 --> 00:29:31,778
Speaker 2: due to physical issues, but right now, his eyes just

619
00:29:31,778 --> 00:29:34,058
Speaker 2: seemed to constantly be in the wrong places in the

620
00:29:34,098 --> 00:29:36,298
Speaker 2: passing game. And yeah, he was a part of two

621
00:29:36,298 --> 00:29:38,498
Speaker 2: touchdowns in this game where I just felt like his

622
00:29:38,578 --> 00:29:40,258
Speaker 2: eyes are just not in the right places. You know,

623
00:29:40,378 --> 00:29:43,658
Speaker 2: mcconkee runs a really nifty route on the short touchdown

624
00:29:43,658 --> 00:29:46,058
Speaker 2: that he scored down in the red zone. I don't

625
00:29:46,098 --> 00:29:48,938
Speaker 2: know if I've necessarily seen that route before out of

626
00:29:48,978 --> 00:29:52,058
Speaker 2: that sort of look, so they kind of mimicked crossers,

627
00:29:52,098 --> 00:29:54,018
Speaker 2: you know, down in the red zone, and then he

628
00:29:54,178 --> 00:29:56,698
Speaker 2: like pivoted out of his crosser. It was pretty cool.

629
00:29:56,738 --> 00:29:58,978
Speaker 2: It was a great route. So that one I don't

630
00:29:59,018 --> 00:30:02,018
Speaker 2: necessarily kill Dugger for because that's just a fantastic route

631
00:30:02,058 --> 00:30:05,618
Speaker 2: and a really nice play design by the Chargers. That

632
00:30:05,698 --> 00:30:09,018
Speaker 2: to me goes back to the Chargers saw in film. Okay,

633
00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:10,938
Speaker 2: the Patriots in the red zone are going to switch

634
00:30:10,978 --> 00:30:13,498
Speaker 2: off these crossers, right, They're gonna be in man to

635
00:30:13,618 --> 00:30:16,578
Speaker 2: man and when the crosser runs across the field, he's

636
00:30:16,618 --> 00:30:18,818
Speaker 2: gonna pass it off to this free safety and then

637
00:30:18,858 --> 00:30:22,458
Speaker 2: replace the free safety. So they showed like McConkey was running,

638
00:30:22,658 --> 00:30:25,698
Speaker 2: the defender dropped off McConkie, and then mcconkee went back

639
00:30:25,698 --> 00:30:28,298
Speaker 2: out the other way. So that to me is coaching

640
00:30:28,418 --> 00:30:32,058
Speaker 2: like that was a game plan to wrinkle or play

641
00:30:32,458 --> 00:30:35,618
Speaker 2: that the Chargers had ready for how the Patriots handle

642
00:30:36,138 --> 00:30:39,178
Speaker 2: crossers in the low red zone. So I don't necessarily

643
00:30:39,178 --> 00:30:41,058
Speaker 2: put that as much on Dougger as I put it

644
00:30:41,098 --> 00:30:45,458
Speaker 2: on Mayo and Covington. But the McConkie forty yard touchdown,

645
00:30:46,018 --> 00:30:48,898
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sold that what coverage they

646
00:30:48,898 --> 00:30:51,218
Speaker 2: were in because Douggers eyes are in the backfield the

647
00:30:51,378 --> 00:30:53,818
Speaker 2: entire time, and he's like reading it almost like he's

648
00:30:53,858 --> 00:30:55,738
Speaker 2: in zone, like a hook or something like that over

649
00:30:55,778 --> 00:30:58,498
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. And then John Jones opens

650
00:30:58,938 --> 00:31:01,418
Speaker 2: like he has inside help and then mccauky just runs

651
00:31:01,458 --> 00:31:03,698
Speaker 2: right by him. And I don't know if Dougger was

652
00:31:03,698 --> 00:31:05,778
Speaker 2: supposed to help. I don't know if John Jones just

653
00:31:05,818 --> 00:31:08,698
Speaker 2: got beat. I kind of settled more towards John Jones

654
00:31:08,778 --> 00:31:11,378
Speaker 2: just got beat. But like again, it's just Dougger's eyes

655
00:31:11,418 --> 00:31:14,018
Speaker 2: are just locked into the backfield on the quarterback and

656
00:31:14,058 --> 00:31:17,338
Speaker 2: he has no spatial awareness of like that there's a

657
00:31:17,378 --> 00:31:19,778
Speaker 2: receiver running right by him right And the same thing

658
00:31:19,818 --> 00:31:22,338
Speaker 2: happened on the crossing route early in the game by

659
00:31:22,418 --> 00:31:26,218
Speaker 2: Davis where Austin thought he was passing and Dugger just

660
00:31:26,458 --> 00:31:29,418
Speaker 2: was not ready to pick it up. So right now,

661
00:31:29,538 --> 00:31:31,858
Speaker 2: to me, it's this is like he's in a mental

662
00:31:31,858 --> 00:31:36,058
Speaker 2: pretzel back there. And I think that for the Patriots

663
00:31:36,058 --> 00:31:39,938
Speaker 2: moving forward, I hate to keep adding needs to the list,

664
00:31:40,018 --> 00:31:43,618
Speaker 2: but like free safety, it just he's not a free stating.

665
00:31:43,498 --> 00:31:45,458
Speaker 3: You know where I've been on this, Like they they

666
00:31:46,498 --> 00:31:49,618
Speaker 3: moved on from Devin mccordy with zero plan. Well, then

667
00:31:49,658 --> 00:31:50,818
Speaker 3: we're gonna play guys out of position.

668
00:31:50,898 --> 00:31:52,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna play like Peppers and Dugger.

669
00:31:52,738 --> 00:31:55,058
Speaker 3: That was their planet left tackle, That's been their planing

670
00:31:55,058 --> 00:31:57,058
Speaker 3: at so many positions. We're just gonna play players we

671
00:31:57,098 --> 00:31:58,858
Speaker 3: trust out of position. But just because you trust a

672
00:31:58,898 --> 00:32:00,938
Speaker 3: guy doesn't mean he can play her position on the field.

673
00:32:01,018 --> 00:32:03,018
Speaker 3: So they need they need to find Like I was

674
00:32:03,018 --> 00:32:04,418
Speaker 3: texting about this guy the other night. You know how

675
00:32:04,458 --> 00:32:06,298
Speaker 3: high I am on this guy. Happened since his draft.

676
00:32:06,738 --> 00:32:08,178
Speaker 3: They need to find their Kirby Joseph.

677
00:32:08,298 --> 00:32:09,058
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good play.

678
00:32:09,218 --> 00:32:10,298
Speaker 3: That guy's a difference maker.

679
00:32:10,418 --> 00:32:13,618
Speaker 2: It just feels like they were they were banking on

680
00:32:13,818 --> 00:32:17,178
Speaker 2: being interchangeable, like they were gonna be. They're probably thinking,

681
00:32:17,618 --> 00:32:20,738
Speaker 2: we're gonna go into more too high, you know, post

682
00:32:20,778 --> 00:32:23,778
Speaker 2: snap rotation. We're gonna start in too high. We're gonna rotate.

683
00:32:24,338 --> 00:32:28,018
Speaker 2: And they thought we could rotate either Dugger or Peppers

684
00:32:28,058 --> 00:32:31,178
Speaker 2: into the box. So because of we were going to

685
00:32:31,258 --> 00:32:33,298
Speaker 2: be a little bit more disguise heavy, we're gonna be

686
00:32:33,338 --> 00:32:36,738
Speaker 2: a little bit more deceptive of Okay, we could rotate

687
00:32:36,818 --> 00:32:38,618
Speaker 2: either way. So now you have to account for the

688
00:32:38,658 --> 00:32:40,898
Speaker 2: fact that you don't really know which way they're going.

689
00:32:41,418 --> 00:32:43,538
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, somebody's got to

690
00:32:43,538 --> 00:32:45,738
Speaker 2: play off top, and somebody's got to be up top

691
00:32:45,778 --> 00:32:48,658
Speaker 2: on third down, and someone's gonna end up up top,

692
00:32:49,098 --> 00:32:52,738
Speaker 2: and if can that player play back there consistently well,

693
00:32:53,098 --> 00:32:54,898
Speaker 2: and I just don't think Kyle Duggar has been able

694
00:32:54,938 --> 00:32:56,978
Speaker 2: to do that, and teams know it. Teams are now

695
00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:59,018
Speaker 2: just hunting him, all right. Number three?

696
00:33:01,178 --> 00:33:02,218
Speaker 3: Where'd I go here?

697
00:33:03,418 --> 00:33:03,578
Speaker 2: Oh?

698
00:33:03,778 --> 00:33:04,978
Speaker 3: I went in the wrong word. I thought we're doing

699
00:33:05,018 --> 00:33:08,618
Speaker 3: players offensive situationally again, same thing two for ten on

700
00:33:08,698 --> 00:33:11,498
Speaker 3: third downs. The few times they got in the red zone,

701
00:33:11,498 --> 00:33:14,138
Speaker 3: they couldn't get it going. Just the situational football in

702
00:33:14,178 --> 00:33:15,498
Speaker 3: this one was not there.

703
00:33:15,538 --> 00:33:18,578
Speaker 2: It was not good. Yeah, fair enough. Number three for me,

704
00:33:18,618 --> 00:33:20,578
Speaker 2: I kind of went over it already with the pass

705
00:33:20,618 --> 00:33:23,058
Speaker 2: Russ stuff, A nineteen percent pressure eight. I think they

706
00:33:23,098 --> 00:33:26,298
Speaker 2: had nine pressure dropbacks on forty one attempts or forty

707
00:33:26,338 --> 00:33:29,938
Speaker 2: one drop backs by Justin Herbert just nowhere near him.

708
00:33:29,978 --> 00:33:33,538
Speaker 2: And this was in a mush rush. Compact the quarterback,

709
00:33:33,778 --> 00:33:36,138
Speaker 2: you know, compact the pocket, keep the quarterback in the pocket.

710
00:33:36,338 --> 00:33:38,578
Speaker 2: They came after him. They blitz them thirteen times, and

711
00:33:38,618 --> 00:33:41,538
Speaker 2: they did not get home. They got on thirteen blitzes.

712
00:33:41,778 --> 00:33:45,538
Speaker 2: They had one pressure on thirteen blitzes. Think about that.

713
00:33:45,538 --> 00:33:46,258
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.

714
00:33:46,378 --> 00:33:49,738
Speaker 2: They pressured him one time, they blited them thirteen times.

715
00:33:49,778 --> 00:33:52,098
Speaker 2: That was way more than they blitzed Josh Allen, way

716
00:33:52,098 --> 00:33:54,418
Speaker 2: more than they blitzed Kyler Murray. Like, this was not

717
00:33:54,698 --> 00:33:57,418
Speaker 2: a we're going to keep the quarterback in the pocket game.

718
00:33:57,778 --> 00:34:00,698
Speaker 2: They wanted to rush Justin Herbert. They couldn't get to him,

719
00:34:00,818 --> 00:34:04,698
Speaker 2: that doubt. That's the bottom line. And their pass rush

720
00:34:04,738 --> 00:34:06,658
Speaker 2: just continues to create. All right, do you have any more?

721
00:34:06,698 --> 00:34:08,857
Speaker 2: I have one more go ahead, So I did put

722
00:34:08,898 --> 00:34:11,777
Speaker 2: Drake May on here. This was my worst graded game

723
00:34:11,777 --> 00:34:15,377
Speaker 2: for Drake May now, out of everybody involved in this

724
00:34:15,578 --> 00:34:18,778
Speaker 2: entire organization. Yeah, the one guy I'm going to absolve

725
00:34:18,858 --> 00:34:22,377
Speaker 2: sometimes right now is the rookie quarterback Like this is

726
00:34:22,498 --> 00:34:25,618
Speaker 2: there's a lot wrong with the situation around Drake May.

727
00:34:26,098 --> 00:34:28,618
Speaker 2: But I had him with the minus ten negative plays.

728
00:34:28,938 --> 00:34:31,618
Speaker 2: I had him with e turn over play obviously on

729
00:34:31,698 --> 00:34:33,738
Speaker 2: the toss you know, whatever the heck that was supposed

730
00:34:33,777 --> 00:34:36,258
Speaker 2: to be on the play to pop Douglas. I just

731
00:34:36,297 --> 00:34:39,058
Speaker 2: thought in this game, though, what bothered me a little

732
00:34:39,098 --> 00:34:41,458
Speaker 2: bit about the way he played, I thought he was

733
00:34:41,498 --> 00:34:44,857
Speaker 2: a little bit premature, Like leaving the pocket. I thought

734
00:34:44,858 --> 00:34:47,498
Speaker 2: he left the pocket early a handful of times, he said,

735
00:34:47,698 --> 00:34:49,698
Speaker 2: only once on the play he got his belt wrung on.

736
00:34:50,138 --> 00:34:53,458
Speaker 2: That was part of it. But even like the Derwin

737
00:34:53,538 --> 00:34:56,978
Speaker 2: James fifteen yard sack on fourth and two, him rolling

738
00:34:57,018 --> 00:34:59,098
Speaker 2: to his right and trying to run away from the

739
00:34:59,098 --> 00:35:02,418
Speaker 2: pressure felt very Caleb Williams to me, right, it just

740
00:35:02,738 --> 00:35:05,098
Speaker 2: didn't really see it. Pre Snap was caught a little

741
00:35:05,098 --> 00:35:07,378
Speaker 2: bit off guard by it. All he had to do.

742
00:35:07,458 --> 00:35:10,178
Speaker 2: He had Antonio Gibson in the flat like right behind

743
00:35:10,218 --> 00:35:12,138
Speaker 2: the blitz, Like all you had to do was hit

744
00:35:12,218 --> 00:35:15,858
Speaker 2: the back hot out of the blitz, right. And I

745
00:35:15,898 --> 00:35:19,578
Speaker 2: don't want to see him develop bad habits. That's the

746
00:35:19,658 --> 00:35:21,857
Speaker 2: last thing I want to see him do. And some

747
00:35:21,938 --> 00:35:24,658
Speaker 2: of these, you know, the teams now are just kind

748
00:35:24,658 --> 00:35:26,738
Speaker 2: of recognizing that he's going to leave the pocket if

749
00:35:26,738 --> 00:35:29,618
Speaker 2: you invite him to leave the pocket, and so they

750
00:35:29,938 --> 00:35:32,338
Speaker 2: kind of are to him about it. And this is

751
00:35:32,418 --> 00:35:34,818
Speaker 2: one thing that I'm going to nitpick him on, Like

752
00:35:34,858 --> 00:35:37,138
Speaker 2: he's got to play quarterback in these situations from the

753
00:35:37,178 --> 00:35:39,218
Speaker 2: pocket if they're gonna blitz him and they're gonna make

754
00:35:39,258 --> 00:35:41,297
Speaker 2: them hot and they're gonna charge him up, like he's

755
00:35:41,338 --> 00:35:44,018
Speaker 2: got to beat them with throwing the football, like make

756
00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:46,538
Speaker 2: a quick decisive decision and get the football out. I

757
00:35:46,538 --> 00:35:48,698
Speaker 2: thought there was three or four times in this game

758
00:35:49,218 --> 00:35:52,618
Speaker 2: where he had options against the Blitz and just kind

759
00:35:52,658 --> 00:35:55,857
Speaker 2: of froze on the last derwin James sack, and then

760
00:35:55,898 --> 00:35:58,098
Speaker 2: the other ones. Was just kind of running around and

761
00:35:58,258 --> 00:36:00,298
Speaker 2: don't I don't want to see him doing that that often.

762
00:36:00,898 --> 00:36:01,538
Speaker 2: So that was that.

763
00:36:01,898 --> 00:36:04,018
Speaker 3: Yeah, not one of his better games. I just felt

764
00:36:04,018 --> 00:36:05,538
Speaker 3: like there was too much going on around him to

765
00:36:05,538 --> 00:36:06,378
Speaker 3: put him on the downs.

766
00:36:06,378 --> 00:36:09,018
Speaker 2: But yeah, totally fair. All right, do you have any more? No,

767
00:36:09,058 --> 00:36:12,337
Speaker 2: it's it, okay, So let's let's do offseason. Let's talk

768
00:36:12,378 --> 00:36:15,258
Speaker 2: about this game on Sunday a little bit too. Not

769
00:36:15,378 --> 00:36:18,658
Speaker 2: about the strategy of you know x's and o's of

770
00:36:18,658 --> 00:36:21,738
Speaker 2: how they're gonna take down the Bill's backups, but where

771
00:36:21,738 --> 00:36:22,898
Speaker 2: do you stand.

772
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:25,338
Speaker 3: On Well, I have one thought on that, okay, And

773
00:36:25,378 --> 00:36:27,417
Speaker 3: I've been excited to give this take this week because

774
00:36:27,418 --> 00:36:31,698
Speaker 3: I think it's a fun take. Okay, everybody's talked about

775
00:36:32,058 --> 00:36:34,218
Speaker 3: and Alex Van Pelt said today Drake May is going

776
00:36:34,298 --> 00:36:36,178
Speaker 3: to start, which by the way he should. I think

777
00:36:36,218 --> 00:36:37,938
Speaker 3: I'm in the minority on this. I'm curious to hear

778
00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:40,377
Speaker 3: what you think of this. Okay, I'm okay that Drake

779
00:36:40,418 --> 00:36:42,178
Speaker 3: May is starting this game. Frankly, I think he should

780
00:36:42,218 --> 00:36:44,658
Speaker 3: start this game. I think it's important to the Patriots

781
00:36:44,738 --> 00:36:48,498
Speaker 3: organization that he starts this game. Now, I would do

782
00:36:48,778 --> 00:36:51,138
Speaker 3: exactly what the Bills are doing. Yeah, play him for

783
00:36:51,138 --> 00:36:53,938
Speaker 3: a series maybe two, mostly handoffs, take him out, But

784
00:36:53,978 --> 00:36:55,458
Speaker 3: I would do it for the same reason the Bills

785
00:36:55,458 --> 00:36:57,218
Speaker 3: are doing it. And I'm giving the Bills credit. Evans,

786
00:36:57,218 --> 00:37:00,658
Speaker 3: So you know, I feel strongly about ows Drake May.

787
00:37:00,698 --> 00:37:03,938
Speaker 3: We want Drake May to be face to the franchise,

788
00:37:04,618 --> 00:37:08,458
Speaker 3: one of the faces of the league, elite starting quarterback.

789
00:37:08,538 --> 00:37:08,777
Speaker 2: Right.

790
00:37:08,858 --> 00:37:11,817
Speaker 3: Ye, what do elite starting quarterbacks do more than anything else?

791
00:37:12,218 --> 00:37:15,298
Speaker 3: They start games? Play football, They play football, They start games.

792
00:37:15,298 --> 00:37:18,377
Speaker 3: They have Brady starting streak, Peyton Manning had that long

793
00:37:18,458 --> 00:37:22,138
Speaker 3: starting streak. That's why Alan's doing it. Let's say Drake

794
00:37:22,138 --> 00:37:24,937
Speaker 3: May becomes like awesome in five years, right, Yeah, don't

795
00:37:24,938 --> 00:37:26,297
Speaker 3: we want to kind of be hyping up how many

796
00:37:26,338 --> 00:37:27,658
Speaker 3: games in a row he own. He has to do

797
00:37:27,658 --> 00:37:29,218
Speaker 3: a better drum of protecting himself as a part is,

798
00:37:29,338 --> 00:37:30,778
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, it's gonna be weird. We have to

799
00:37:30,818 --> 00:37:32,538
Speaker 3: be like he started almost every game, but oh yeah,

800
00:37:32,538 --> 00:37:33,538
Speaker 3: there was that one at the end of the year

801
00:37:33,538 --> 00:37:35,817
Speaker 3: in Buffalo. And I think that matters to Drake May

802
00:37:35,938 --> 00:37:38,058
Speaker 3: because I think Drake May wants to be viewed like

803
00:37:38,098 --> 00:37:41,258
Speaker 3: a guy like Josh Allen. So if Josh Allen's going

804
00:37:41,338 --> 00:37:43,498
Speaker 3: to start this game, if the Bills can risk Josh

805
00:37:43,498 --> 00:37:47,418
Speaker 3: Allen for one series in order to extend his streak,

806
00:37:47,778 --> 00:37:49,938
Speaker 3: if we want Drake May to have that same standing,

807
00:37:51,218 --> 00:37:52,018
Speaker 3: start Drake May.

808
00:37:52,658 --> 00:37:55,498
Speaker 2: I feel sly about this. I like it. I have

809
00:37:55,538 --> 00:37:57,698
Speaker 2: no problem with them starting. I have no problem with it.

810
00:37:58,658 --> 00:37:59,498
Speaker 2: Part two of the take.

811
00:38:00,538 --> 00:38:03,938
Speaker 3: Everybody is acting like if Joe Milton plays the Patriots

812
00:38:04,058 --> 00:38:05,338
Speaker 3: automatically lose the game.

813
00:38:05,258 --> 00:38:08,058
Speaker 2: Are you offended because he's your guy? Well you are,

814
00:38:08,058 --> 00:38:08,857
Speaker 2: you are a little bit.

815
00:38:09,018 --> 00:38:11,938
Speaker 3: First of all, for that to happen, you also have to.

816
00:38:11,858 --> 00:38:13,817
Speaker 2: Be became famous because you're Joe Milton line.

817
00:38:13,858 --> 00:38:15,738
Speaker 3: I know. First of all, you also have to have

818
00:38:15,818 --> 00:38:18,178
Speaker 3: people like the defense has to do their part, right.

819
00:38:18,338 --> 00:38:18,938
Speaker 2: Yeah.

820
00:38:19,018 --> 00:38:20,938
Speaker 3: So I go back to and I've had fun bringing

821
00:38:20,938 --> 00:38:24,178
Speaker 3: this name up all week. Yeah, Matt Flynn, Yeah, Matt

822
00:38:24,178 --> 00:38:26,818
Speaker 3: Flynn in twenty eleven. Now it was the opposite situation.

823
00:38:26,938 --> 00:38:29,378
Speaker 3: The Packers were in the playoffs. They were where the

824
00:38:29,418 --> 00:38:31,898
Speaker 3: Bills are. They don't want to risk Aaron Rodgers. They

825
00:38:31,938 --> 00:38:34,418
Speaker 3: put in Matt Flynn to make his second career starts.

826
00:38:34,418 --> 00:38:36,777
Speaker 3: You know what his first career start was, You know

827
00:38:36,818 --> 00:38:40,738
Speaker 3: what game, d Condy. He was fine in that game,

828
00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:43,098
Speaker 3: he was fine. That was his third year in the league,

829
00:38:43,098 --> 00:38:44,777
Speaker 3: fourth year in the league. He makes his second start

830
00:38:44,778 --> 00:38:47,818
Speaker 3: Week seventeen against the Detroit Lions. Think about some of

831
00:38:47,818 --> 00:38:51,578
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks the Packers have had. Matt Flynn set every

832
00:38:51,618 --> 00:38:54,938
Speaker 3: single like all of the major single game passing records

833
00:38:54,978 --> 00:38:57,337
Speaker 3: for the Green Bay Packers four hundred and eighty year

834
00:38:57,578 --> 00:39:00,938
Speaker 3: contract he got from this six touchdowns against the Lions.

835
00:39:01,258 --> 00:39:03,538
Speaker 3: Now he was a free agent. Joe Milton's not. He

836
00:39:03,578 --> 00:39:05,738
Speaker 3: got what at the time was a significant contract. The

837
00:39:05,778 --> 00:39:08,018
Speaker 3: Seahawks are ready to name him the starter. Now he

838
00:39:08,098 --> 00:39:10,338
Speaker 3: lost out to a third round pick named Russell Wilson

839
00:39:10,378 --> 00:39:12,738
Speaker 3: in training camp, then bounced around. He was even here

840
00:39:12,778 --> 00:39:17,018
Speaker 3: at one point, But like, who's to say this isn't

841
00:39:17,018 --> 00:39:19,978
Speaker 3: a showcase game for Joe Milton. This is the packerway,

842
00:39:20,058 --> 00:39:21,218
Speaker 3: this is the thing.

843
00:39:21,378 --> 00:39:22,258
Speaker 2: It's a fourth preseason.

844
00:39:22,418 --> 00:39:25,538
Speaker 3: Right, You draft all these quarterbacks with the idea that

845
00:39:25,618 --> 00:39:27,098
Speaker 3: you can't have too many. If you end up with

846
00:39:27,138 --> 00:39:28,897
Speaker 3: a good one, they're worth something you can trade them.

847
00:39:29,258 --> 00:39:31,178
Speaker 3: So I don't know why we're all just assuming Joe

848
00:39:31,178 --> 00:39:33,498
Speaker 3: Milton's gonna go out there and be terrible. Yeah, And

849
00:39:33,538 --> 00:39:35,498
Speaker 3: that way he can be good and the Patriots can

850
00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:37,458
Speaker 3: still lose the game. We talked about the issues with

851
00:39:37,498 --> 00:39:40,258
Speaker 3: the defense. Mitchell Trubisky's a backup, but I was a

852
00:39:40,338 --> 00:39:42,738
Speaker 3: Paul or Fred who said earlier, like, he's not exactly

853
00:39:42,738 --> 00:39:46,538
Speaker 3: a low level backup. He's kind of bad you compare

854
00:39:46,538 --> 00:39:48,738
Speaker 3: to some of the other backups in the league. Fair enough, right,

855
00:39:49,018 --> 00:39:52,058
Speaker 3: he's Is he a top forty quarterback in the league. No,

856
00:39:52,458 --> 00:39:55,458
Speaker 3: you don't think so. I'd put him top forties or

857
00:39:55,778 --> 00:39:57,258
Speaker 3: forty two. I think he's one of the ten best

858
00:39:57,258 --> 00:39:58,058
Speaker 3: backups in the league.

859
00:39:58,098 --> 00:39:59,578
Speaker 2: Okay, right, fair enough.

860
00:39:59,938 --> 00:40:03,698
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, don't run off Joe Milton.

861
00:40:04,178 --> 00:40:06,658
Speaker 2: Fair enough. I'm not writing off Joe Milton. I also

862
00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:09,817
Speaker 2: think that there's absolutely zero tape on Joe Milton, and

863
00:40:09,818 --> 00:40:11,938
Speaker 2: the Bills will have no idea what the Patriots might

864
00:40:11,978 --> 00:40:13,098
Speaker 2: actually do with Joe Milton.

865
00:40:13,138 --> 00:40:15,058
Speaker 3: So even when you have tape on Joe Milton, he

866
00:40:15,098 --> 00:40:16,378
Speaker 3: can still be kind of un predictable.

867
00:40:16,458 --> 00:40:18,538
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just saying, like, you know, it

868
00:40:19,818 --> 00:40:22,058
Speaker 2: could be a little unpredictable, yeah, right, when you have

869
00:40:22,178 --> 00:40:24,338
Speaker 2: a quarterback like that that's not played a single snap

870
00:40:24,378 --> 00:40:26,777
Speaker 2: all year. But I would start Drake May in this

871
00:40:26,858 --> 00:40:29,738
Speaker 2: game or don't have a problem. It's I probably I

872
00:40:29,738 --> 00:40:31,498
Speaker 2: don't know where I this, but this is where I

873
00:40:31,578 --> 00:40:34,498
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to go. Anyways, Like, you know, how

874
00:40:34,538 --> 00:40:36,738
Speaker 2: should they approach this game? Is really the only story

875
00:40:36,818 --> 00:40:41,578
Speaker 2: with this game, and I am I'll can't stress this enough.

876
00:40:42,258 --> 00:40:45,337
Speaker 2: They're not They're not gonna tank guys. They're not gonna

877
00:40:45,378 --> 00:40:48,698
Speaker 2: sign some quarterback off the street right and and play

878
00:40:48,738 --> 00:40:50,378
Speaker 2: him on Sunday to purposely lose them.

879
00:40:50,418 --> 00:40:52,538
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be all right, you know, we're down

880
00:40:52,658 --> 00:40:55,058
Speaker 3: four with ten seconds to go, let's kick a field goal.

881
00:40:55,178 --> 00:40:55,417
Speaker 4: Yeah.

882
00:40:55,498 --> 00:40:58,377
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not gonna purposely lose the game. Okay, could

883
00:40:58,418 --> 00:41:01,098
Speaker 2: they just lose it out right? We've seen them lose thirteen.

884
00:41:01,418 --> 00:41:03,498
Speaker 2: Very possible. It's very possible.

885
00:41:03,578 --> 00:41:05,898
Speaker 3: But no, you're not, especially because you've got to remember,

886
00:41:06,338 --> 00:41:11,178
Speaker 3: for all these players, they're either trying to when teams

887
00:41:11,178 --> 00:41:14,458
Speaker 3: evaluate players. They significantly wait games at the end of

888
00:41:14,458 --> 00:41:16,378
Speaker 3: the year more than they wait the games at the beginning.

889
00:41:17,178 --> 00:41:19,498
Speaker 3: They're not going to care about the circumstances in this

890
00:41:19,538 --> 00:41:21,858
Speaker 3: game when they do that, especially for guys who are

891
00:41:21,858 --> 00:41:24,698
Speaker 3: pending free agents or maybe aren't a lock to be

892
00:41:24,738 --> 00:41:26,498
Speaker 3: back here next year. They want to put on a

893
00:41:26,618 --> 00:41:28,618
Speaker 3: good tape because they want to keep their jobs in

894
00:41:28,618 --> 00:41:31,858
Speaker 3: the NFL. The same for the coaches. Jarrodmeo coaching for

895
00:41:31,898 --> 00:41:33,658
Speaker 3: his job, is Alex sant Pelt coaching for his job.

896
00:41:33,698 --> 00:41:37,218
Speaker 3: They're not Why would they help an organization get the

897
00:41:37,258 --> 00:41:38,938
Speaker 3: first overall pick when they don't know if they'll be

898
00:41:39,018 --> 00:41:41,498
Speaker 3: part of that organization when they make that pick. There's

899
00:41:41,618 --> 00:41:44,498
Speaker 3: no incentive there. The only one who has any incentive,

900
00:41:44,578 --> 00:41:47,058
Speaker 3: it's it's the general manager on up now. If Drod

901
00:41:47,098 --> 00:41:50,378
Speaker 3: Mayo has been told his job is safe, that could

902
00:41:50,618 --> 00:41:53,857
Speaker 3: factor in a little bit. If he knows, no matter

903
00:41:53,898 --> 00:41:57,378
Speaker 3: what happens, you're good. We want to pick. That's another conversation.

904
00:41:57,458 --> 00:42:00,817
Speaker 3: But it doesn't happen. Tanking does not happen on a

905
00:42:00,898 --> 00:42:02,218
Speaker 3: game day level.

906
00:42:02,418 --> 00:42:04,618
Speaker 2: I just think that that is such a terrible look.

907
00:42:04,658 --> 00:42:06,897
Speaker 2: Like to your point, let's say they get the ball

908
00:42:06,938 --> 00:42:08,738
Speaker 2: back with like a minute and a half to go

909
00:42:09,218 --> 00:42:12,337
Speaker 2: within one score and they just kneel it out. Not happen, right,

910
00:42:12,378 --> 00:42:14,178
Speaker 2: it's not happy. You can't do that, And you know what,

911
00:42:14,218 --> 00:42:14,658
Speaker 2: it shouldn't.

912
00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:16,578
Speaker 3: I don't you know, do you want people in your

913
00:42:16,658 --> 00:42:19,978
Speaker 3: organization that are not invested solely in winning games?

914
00:42:20,018 --> 00:42:21,498
Speaker 2: You want apex competitors.

915
00:42:21,538 --> 00:42:23,817
Speaker 3: I go back to the scene in the Last Dance

916
00:42:23,858 --> 00:42:25,618
Speaker 3: of Michael Jordan at the end of that last game

917
00:42:25,618 --> 00:42:27,378
Speaker 3: of his rookie year where they try to take them

918
00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:28,857
Speaker 3: off the floor because they're trying to get a better

919
00:42:28,938 --> 00:42:31,138
Speaker 3: draft pick, and he's losing his mind because he's like,

920
00:42:31,138 --> 00:42:32,618
Speaker 3: we have a game to win today. What are you

921
00:42:32,658 --> 00:42:33,178
Speaker 3: talking about?

922
00:42:33,178 --> 00:42:33,698
Speaker 2: The draft?

923
00:42:34,098 --> 00:42:36,258
Speaker 3: So you know, those are the kind of competitors you want.

924
00:42:36,378 --> 00:42:38,738
Speaker 3: I think Drake may may kind of be wired that way,

925
00:42:38,778 --> 00:42:40,458
Speaker 3: which is part of the reason I would let him

926
00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:44,298
Speaker 3: get the start, even if it's ceremonial. But yeah, that's

927
00:42:44,418 --> 00:42:46,858
Speaker 3: not gonna happen. Now that being said, the stakes themselves.

928
00:42:47,058 --> 00:42:49,897
Speaker 3: I heard you talking about this earlier when it comes

929
00:42:49,938 --> 00:42:50,938
Speaker 3: to the first overall pick.

930
00:42:50,978 --> 00:42:52,538
Speaker 2: Well, let's get to that in a stade. Okay, all right,

931
00:42:53,498 --> 00:42:56,938
Speaker 2: last thing on this point of it. I've gone back

932
00:42:56,978 --> 00:42:59,298
Speaker 2: and forth on how much Drake may should play in

933
00:42:59,338 --> 00:43:02,777
Speaker 2: this game, because my biggest fear in the way that

934
00:43:02,818 --> 00:43:04,858
Speaker 2: things have gone in the last couple of years for

935
00:43:04,898 --> 00:43:08,858
Speaker 2: the Patriots, always thinking worst case scenario. Frankly, my biggest

936
00:43:08,858 --> 00:43:12,058
Speaker 2: fear is that there's you know, I heard you know

937
00:43:12,098 --> 00:43:14,978
Speaker 2: on your station a lot about like, well, he has

938
00:43:15,018 --> 00:43:18,738
Speaker 2: all off season to get to like recover from an injury. Yeah, Okay,

939
00:43:18,778 --> 00:43:20,777
Speaker 2: if he gets nicked up in the game and he

940
00:43:20,858 --> 00:43:24,178
Speaker 2: has a hand, you know, his hand, he stubs a finger,

941
00:43:24,618 --> 00:43:26,658
Speaker 2: sure he has plenty of time to get over that.

942
00:43:27,138 --> 00:43:29,618
Speaker 2: What happens if he blows out his knee, What happens

943
00:43:29,618 --> 00:43:31,337
Speaker 2: if he tears in a kill that's the kind of injury.

944
00:43:31,738 --> 00:43:33,978
Speaker 2: What happens if he separates his shoulder and now he

945
00:43:34,018 --> 00:43:35,498
Speaker 2: can't throw for four months?

946
00:43:35,578 --> 00:43:35,698
Speaker 5: Right?

947
00:43:35,778 --> 00:43:40,378
Speaker 2: Like what those types of things are derailing to an

948
00:43:40,538 --> 00:43:44,058
Speaker 2: entire off season that I fear. I worry about because

949
00:43:44,378 --> 00:43:47,258
Speaker 2: this is a huge off season for his development. This

950
00:43:47,338 --> 00:43:49,298
Speaker 2: is the year two leap right right that he should

951
00:43:49,338 --> 00:43:52,338
Speaker 2: be in the lab working with his whoever it is,

952
00:43:52,378 --> 00:43:54,738
Speaker 2: you know, Clyde Christensen or whoever he decides to work

953
00:43:54,778 --> 00:43:56,858
Speaker 2: with in the off season. That's who he worked with

954
00:43:57,018 --> 00:43:59,578
Speaker 2: pre draft and down at North Carolina, so I assume

955
00:43:59,618 --> 00:44:02,938
Speaker 2: it would be the same. He is supposed to be

956
00:44:02,978 --> 00:44:06,058
Speaker 2: in the gym working out, he's supposed to be throwing,

957
00:44:06,098 --> 00:44:08,218
Speaker 2: he's supposed to be working on his craft. He's supposed

958
00:44:08,258 --> 00:44:11,498
Speaker 2: to be working with receivers and having passing camps and

959
00:44:11,538 --> 00:44:14,018
Speaker 2: things like that with the receivers away from the facility.

960
00:44:14,898 --> 00:44:17,978
Speaker 2: If he isn't able to do all those things, and

961
00:44:18,018 --> 00:44:21,178
Speaker 2: god forbid, if he's at all limited in training camp

962
00:44:21,258 --> 00:44:24,618
Speaker 2: next year, yeah, that is very detrimental to your twenty

963
00:44:24,658 --> 00:44:27,658
Speaker 2: twenty five season. It could be detrimental to his whole career.

964
00:44:27,658 --> 00:44:29,938
Speaker 2: I don't need to be hyperbolic about it, but it could.

965
00:44:30,138 --> 00:44:33,418
Speaker 2: It could literally derail a lot of his development. So

966
00:44:33,458 --> 00:44:37,378
Speaker 2: that I have big, big fears about. But to segue,

967
00:44:37,738 --> 00:44:40,418
Speaker 2: what I don't have necessarily is big of a fear about.

968
00:44:40,458 --> 00:44:42,538
Speaker 2: And I think we might disagree a little bit on this.

969
00:44:43,338 --> 00:44:48,218
Speaker 2: I am not as gung ho or like married or

970
00:44:49,458 --> 00:44:53,778
Speaker 2: you know, inclined to need the number one overall pick.

971
00:44:53,898 --> 00:44:57,378
Speaker 2: I don't in this particular year. So if there was

972
00:44:57,418 --> 00:45:02,777
Speaker 2: a Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, you know, level quarterback prospect, well,

973
00:45:02,938 --> 00:45:05,018
Speaker 2: in a couple of years, if there was that level

974
00:45:05,018 --> 00:45:09,178
Speaker 2: of quarterback prospect where you knew definitively that you were

975
00:45:09,178 --> 00:45:11,978
Speaker 2: going to get an absolute you know, Andrew Luck, that

976
00:45:12,058 --> 00:45:14,458
Speaker 2: you were going to get an absolute haul for the

977
00:45:14,538 --> 00:45:17,978
Speaker 2: number one overall pick. I'd feel very, very differently. But

978
00:45:18,138 --> 00:45:20,458
Speaker 2: I don't feel as though this is this draft. I

979
00:45:20,738 --> 00:45:23,018
Speaker 2: even if you do get the number one overall pick

980
00:45:23,458 --> 00:45:25,498
Speaker 2: and you do get a partner to trade down with,

981
00:45:25,698 --> 00:45:27,538
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be at the same level.

982
00:45:27,538 --> 00:45:30,018
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a discounted sale. Now we'll

983
00:45:30,018 --> 00:45:31,897
Speaker 2: get to that the second because I'd still do it. Yeah,

984
00:45:31,938 --> 00:45:34,258
Speaker 2: I'd still do it, But I don't think that you're

985
00:45:34,338 --> 00:45:36,978
Speaker 2: going to get I don't even think you're gonna get

986
00:45:37,058 --> 00:45:39,658
Speaker 2: what the Bears got from Carolina a couple of years ago.

987
00:45:39,738 --> 00:45:42,058
Speaker 2: I know I think you will. I I we're close

988
00:45:42,138 --> 00:45:42,498
Speaker 2: to it.

989
00:45:42,738 --> 00:45:44,897
Speaker 3: Just because it is the first overall pick, it does

990
00:45:44,938 --> 00:45:46,777
Speaker 3: have inherent value. And at the end of the day,

991
00:45:47,098 --> 00:45:49,938
Speaker 3: you don't need every team to love the top quarterback,

992
00:45:50,138 --> 00:45:51,698
Speaker 3: but you need to get No.

993
00:45:51,738 --> 00:45:52,978
Speaker 2: You don't know, you don't do no.

994
00:45:53,338 --> 00:45:55,858
Speaker 3: You just need one team and a really good negotiating.

995
00:45:55,418 --> 00:45:57,817
Speaker 2: No, you absolutely need multiple teams. You need one team

996
00:45:57,898 --> 00:46:00,458
Speaker 2: a really good negotiating at least need the how many

997
00:46:00,498 --> 00:46:02,538
Speaker 2: facade of multiple how many teams were do you remember

998
00:46:02,618 --> 00:46:05,058
Speaker 2: how many teams were clamoring to get up for Bryce Young?

999
00:46:05,178 --> 00:46:06,098
Speaker 3: It was like three?

1000
00:46:06,378 --> 00:46:09,337
Speaker 2: Okay, but that creates a market, like if you if

1001
00:46:09,378 --> 00:46:12,817
Speaker 2: there's only one team, Let's say the only team that

1002
00:46:13,018 --> 00:46:15,698
Speaker 2: has any interest in drafting Shador Sanders in the top

1003
00:46:15,698 --> 00:46:18,418
Speaker 2: ten is the Vegas Raiders for obvious reasons. Yep, it's

1004
00:46:18,458 --> 00:46:20,297
Speaker 2: been all over it right like that. He wants to say.

1005
00:46:20,338 --> 00:46:22,098
Speaker 3: If you look at it and you say that because

1006
00:46:22,098 --> 00:46:24,138
Speaker 3: the Raiders are at eight right now, this is what

1007
00:46:24,218 --> 00:46:26,618
Speaker 3: it costs for nine a couple of years ago, pay up.

1008
00:46:26,898 --> 00:46:29,058
Speaker 3: And if the Raiders say, we won't, say fine, you're

1009
00:46:29,058 --> 00:46:30,018
Speaker 3: not gonna have a quarterback.

1010
00:46:30,498 --> 00:46:32,418
Speaker 2: How do you know that they're not gonna have a quarterback? Though?

1011
00:46:32,658 --> 00:46:35,218
Speaker 3: Like Shure's not falling to nine if they don't find

1012
00:46:35,258 --> 00:46:38,618
Speaker 3: not because should you think is gonna fall the nine?

1013
00:46:39,098 --> 00:46:40,658
Speaker 3: You think we're gonna go eight picks without the court?

1014
00:46:40,698 --> 00:46:42,698
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is not This has bugging the crap

1015
00:46:42,738 --> 00:46:44,538
Speaker 3: out of me. It's not twenty twenty two. I think

1016
00:46:44,658 --> 00:46:47,777
Speaker 3: these guys are not Kenny Pickett. Shad Sanders is such

1017
00:46:47,818 --> 00:46:49,898
Speaker 3: a better prospect I think than Kenny Pickett was. I

1018
00:46:49,938 --> 00:46:52,538
Speaker 3: think he's he's a significantly he's a lot closer.

1019
00:46:52,538 --> 00:46:54,978
Speaker 2: I'm not young than he is. To Kenny Pickett. I'm

1020
00:46:55,018 --> 00:46:57,898
Speaker 2: not giving up anything for Sanders, He's a lot. If

1021
00:46:57,938 --> 00:46:59,458
Speaker 2: I'm the Vegas Raiders.

1022
00:46:59,218 --> 00:47:01,777
Speaker 3: These teams are so dumb about quarterbacks.

1023
00:47:01,258 --> 00:47:03,218
Speaker 2: I hear you. But if I'm the Vegas Raiders, and

1024
00:47:03,258 --> 00:47:06,698
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I wouldn't put a package together.

1025
00:47:07,458 --> 00:47:09,578
Speaker 2: But if I'm the Vegas Raiders, I'm putting together a

1026
00:47:10,178 --> 00:47:15,258
Speaker 2: realistic package. Not what people want from a Patriots angle,

1027
00:47:15,298 --> 00:47:18,658
Speaker 2: not multiple first round picks into the future. I'm putting

1028
00:47:18,738 --> 00:47:21,458
Speaker 2: it together, a realistic package. And I'm saying to the Patriots,

1029
00:47:21,618 --> 00:47:23,658
Speaker 2: if you don't want to take the deal, We're gonna

1030
00:47:23,698 --> 00:47:26,458
Speaker 2: roll the dice, make the Giants take them second over.

1031
00:47:26,738 --> 00:47:28,498
Speaker 2: And so all right, you want to talk about the Giants,

1032
00:47:28,538 --> 00:47:30,218
Speaker 2: because I think the Giants are gonna do something different

1033
00:47:30,258 --> 00:47:31,058
Speaker 2: if they keep table.

1034
00:47:31,218 --> 00:47:37,978
Speaker 3: I that clip of It's Shane, right, Joe Shane. Yeah,

1035
00:47:38,098 --> 00:47:41,338
Speaker 3: that clip of Joe Shane essentially hanging up on Elliott

1036
00:47:41,338 --> 00:47:44,618
Speaker 3: Wolf last year with the or Elliewolf hanging up on

1037
00:47:44,658 --> 00:47:46,658
Speaker 3: Joe Shane with the offer for Drake May and Elliot

1038
00:47:46,698 --> 00:47:49,578
Speaker 3: Wolf was a million percent right to do that. Yeah,

1039
00:47:50,138 --> 00:47:55,338
Speaker 3: in New York Giants land, that clip is like Buckner

1040
00:47:55,418 --> 00:47:57,178
Speaker 3: the ball going through Buckner's legs in eighty six to

1041
00:47:57,218 --> 00:48:00,297
Speaker 3: Red Sox fans. Joe Shane has had to eat that

1042
00:48:00,378 --> 00:48:03,618
Speaker 3: clip from fans from the media all year. If I'm

1043
00:48:03,618 --> 00:48:05,538
Speaker 3: the page, because he didn't offer enough to make Because

1044
00:48:05,538 --> 00:48:06,978
Speaker 3: he didn't offer enough to make the trade.

1045
00:48:06,818 --> 00:48:08,378
Speaker 2: I don't think anything was going to make him make

1046
00:48:08,378 --> 00:48:10,058
Speaker 2: the trade. And I don't think so either. Like, obviously

1047
00:48:10,098 --> 00:48:12,138
Speaker 2: I don't think so either. If he said if it

1048
00:48:12,178 --> 00:48:15,297
Speaker 2: was you know, two three threes three two three three, right,

1049
00:48:15,498 --> 00:48:18,218
Speaker 2: it would have to have been something crazy.

1050
00:48:18,258 --> 00:48:22,338
Speaker 3: But there's still a frustration that that wasn't made. And

1051
00:48:22,378 --> 00:48:26,178
Speaker 3: we know NFL teams are reactive to public perception that

1052
00:48:26,298 --> 00:48:29,538
Speaker 3: clip no team should ever do in season off season

1053
00:48:29,538 --> 00:48:33,377
Speaker 3: hard knocks. Ever, again, that clip is going to sort

1054
00:48:33,378 --> 00:48:35,658
Speaker 3: of be the obituary when the Giants move on from him.

1055
00:48:35,858 --> 00:48:37,018
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a big part of it.

1056
00:48:39,858 --> 00:48:42,178
Speaker 2: Saying that he's never gonna sleep again if Saquon goes

1057
00:48:42,218 --> 00:48:43,818
Speaker 2: to the Eagles, and then he goes to the Eagles,

1058
00:48:43,818 --> 00:48:47,338
Speaker 2: and the point being like if I'm the Patriots.

1059
00:48:47,338 --> 00:48:50,337
Speaker 3: I'm reminding everybody, you want to risk passing on him,

1060
00:48:50,418 --> 00:48:52,178
Speaker 3: you want to risk your job passing on the guy.

1061
00:48:52,418 --> 00:48:56,378
Speaker 2: I'm not telling the Patriots. I try. I just think

1062
00:48:56,418 --> 00:48:57,338
Speaker 2: it's nuts.

1063
00:48:58,018 --> 00:49:00,378
Speaker 3: I don't know my theory, and I don't need to

1064
00:49:00,458 --> 00:49:02,458
Speaker 3: kind of be in a hole about it. I think

1065
00:49:02,458 --> 00:49:04,618
Speaker 3: there's a certain group of Patriots fans that want Travis

1066
00:49:04,698 --> 00:49:07,218
Speaker 3: Hunter so bad but know it's kind of an irresponsible

1067
00:49:07,258 --> 00:49:10,658
Speaker 3: pick that their argument is to prove that no pick

1068
00:49:10,738 --> 00:49:13,418
Speaker 3: is good and there's nothing else the Patriots can do,

1069
00:49:13,538 --> 00:49:15,658
Speaker 3: so they have to take Hunter. And I think that's

1070
00:49:15,698 --> 00:49:18,138
Speaker 3: kind of where this quarterback stuff is coming from. Shadur

1071
00:49:18,258 --> 00:49:22,938
Speaker 3: Sanders is a legitimate top five quarterback prospect. I think

1072
00:49:23,018 --> 00:49:26,578
Speaker 3: cam Ward is a legitimate top five quarterback.

1073
00:49:27,378 --> 00:49:30,698
Speaker 2: A single person that that like a single draft you know,

1074
00:49:30,818 --> 00:49:33,378
Speaker 2: analysts that does it year round, like Dame Brugler is

1075
00:49:33,378 --> 00:49:35,458
Speaker 2: saying that he'd have been quarterback seven for him in

1076
00:49:35,538 --> 00:49:39,098
Speaker 2: last year's draft, where Dane Bugler, JJ McCarthy, I don't remember,

1077
00:49:39,178 --> 00:49:41,458
Speaker 2: but Hi high okay, but they all had him high,

1078
00:49:41,858 --> 00:49:44,538
Speaker 2: like and where'd he go? Okay? Matt Miller just released

1079
00:49:44,578 --> 00:49:47,138
Speaker 2: his like first round grades. He has twelve of them

1080
00:49:47,138 --> 00:49:48,698
Speaker 2: this year, he said, you know, he doesn't have a lot.

1081
00:49:49,058 --> 00:49:52,818
Speaker 2: Neither quarterback is on there. That's crazy. Should here Sanders before?

1082
00:49:52,978 --> 00:49:56,857
Speaker 2: So last year, before uh deon kind of started talking

1083
00:49:56,858 --> 00:49:58,658
Speaker 2: about who's going back to school when we were really

1084
00:49:58,698 --> 00:50:02,538
Speaker 2: talking about Shoulder Sanders in that class, he was QB

1085
00:50:02,658 --> 00:50:05,538
Speaker 2: four if not QB three. Okay, so you're gonna take

1086
00:50:05,578 --> 00:50:08,378
Speaker 2: a guy that You're gonna take that guy number one overall,

1087
00:50:08,458 --> 00:50:10,538
Speaker 2: not not just number one overall. You're gonna trade up

1088
00:50:10,578 --> 00:50:11,298
Speaker 2: and you're gonna.

1089
00:50:11,098 --> 00:50:14,818
Speaker 3: Get yes, because teams are nuts about the quarterback position.

1090
00:50:15,018 --> 00:50:18,538
Speaker 3: But that's so what happened, what happened between last year

1091
00:50:18,538 --> 00:50:20,898
Speaker 3: and this year that should Her Sanders suddenly worse because

1092
00:50:20,898 --> 00:50:21,618
Speaker 3: he got better.

1093
00:50:22,138 --> 00:50:23,818
Speaker 2: He got better between I.

1094
00:50:23,858 --> 00:50:26,618
Speaker 3: Don't know why everybody who he is, but no, but

1095
00:50:26,698 --> 00:50:28,817
Speaker 3: he But so then what was he last year?

1096
00:50:28,978 --> 00:50:30,178
Speaker 2: Because it's night and day.

1097
00:50:30,618 --> 00:50:32,377
Speaker 3: He was talked about last year and he's being talked

1098
00:50:32,378 --> 00:50:34,538
Speaker 3: about now and it doesn't line up with the product

1099
00:50:34,538 --> 00:50:36,337
Speaker 3: on the field. I think everybody just wants to take

1100
00:50:36,378 --> 00:50:39,138
Speaker 3: their weird victory lap that this draft class sucks. Is

1101
00:50:39,178 --> 00:50:40,018
Speaker 3: it a great class?

1102
00:50:40,098 --> 00:50:40,658
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

1103
00:50:40,978 --> 00:50:43,298
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean there's zero good players in it.

1104
00:50:43,338 --> 00:50:45,618
Speaker 3: And that seems to be everybody's argument that you'd be

1105
00:50:45,618 --> 00:50:48,018
Speaker 3: better off just not picking a player this year, And

1106
00:50:48,058 --> 00:50:49,298
Speaker 3: it's mind blowing to me.

1107
00:50:49,418 --> 00:50:51,018
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I didn't say you're better off

1108
00:50:51,098 --> 00:50:53,098
Speaker 2: not picking a player. I do think you have to

1109
00:50:53,138 --> 00:50:55,818
Speaker 2: be selective in a draft like this because there's a

1110
00:50:55,818 --> 00:51:00,938
Speaker 2: lot of guys that, in my opinion, are low ceiling

1111
00:51:01,178 --> 00:51:05,018
Speaker 2: maybe high floor, but low ceiling players, and you don't

1112
00:51:05,018 --> 00:51:07,978
Speaker 2: want to pick a guy one to one overall who's like,

1113
00:51:08,098 --> 00:51:10,898
Speaker 2: at best, is going to be like a functional NFL starter.

1114
00:51:11,058 --> 00:51:14,618
Speaker 3: Look right, I'm glad the Patriots didn't punt on quarterback

1115
00:51:14,698 --> 00:51:16,178
Speaker 3: last year. I would not want to deal with this

1116
00:51:16,258 --> 00:51:18,698
Speaker 3: quarterback class if I was a team. But there are

1117
00:51:18,738 --> 00:51:22,178
Speaker 3: general managers, there are coaches out there that need a

1118
00:51:22,298 --> 00:51:25,098
Speaker 3: quarterback to save their jobs. That is the nature of

1119
00:51:25,098 --> 00:51:26,297
Speaker 3: the position in this league.

1120
00:51:26,338 --> 00:51:29,418
Speaker 2: But it's not just saving your job because you're willing,

1121
00:51:30,778 --> 00:51:33,738
Speaker 2: is not just taking the quarterback. I believe that Shador

1122
00:51:33,858 --> 00:51:37,058
Speaker 2: Sanders will go in the top ten. But if I,

1123
00:51:37,218 --> 00:51:39,578
Speaker 2: first of all, if I'm the Giants at you, I'm

1124
00:51:39,618 --> 00:51:43,738
Speaker 2: probably strongly considering like a Baker Mayfield Gino Smith type

1125
00:51:43,738 --> 00:51:46,378
Speaker 2: of approach where I'm I might look in the veteran

1126
00:51:46,458 --> 00:51:50,738
Speaker 2: market at a Sam Darnold. Yeah, or I might call

1127
00:51:50,898 --> 00:51:53,978
Speaker 2: Minnesota and ask if JJ McCarthy is available. So all right,

1128
00:51:54,058 --> 00:51:56,698
Speaker 2: let me ask you about this chapter said yesterday on ESPN,

1129
00:51:56,778 --> 00:52:00,817
Speaker 2: J McCarthy is worth a first plus? What's worth more

1130
00:52:01,258 --> 00:52:06,458
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy or the first pick in the draft in

1131
00:52:06,498 --> 00:52:08,458
Speaker 2: this year? It might be JJ McCarthy.

1132
00:52:08,538 --> 00:52:12,018
Speaker 3: How is a guy who was ranked behind Sanders last

1133
00:52:12,058 --> 00:52:13,298
Speaker 3: year and has since I.

1134
00:52:13,618 --> 00:52:16,498
Speaker 2: Tore his acl who was ranking him behind Sanders?

1135
00:52:16,778 --> 00:52:19,138
Speaker 3: That was the I remember what the consensus was last

1136
00:52:19,218 --> 00:52:22,018
Speaker 3: year when Sanders dropped out. We were talking about Sanders

1137
00:52:22,018 --> 00:52:25,898
Speaker 3: in the same breath as May and Daniels and yes.

1138
00:52:25,778 --> 00:52:29,098
Speaker 2: We yes, we were, Yes we were. We were people

1139
00:52:29,138 --> 00:52:31,578
Speaker 2: talked about. The table was talking about him in the

1140
00:52:31,578 --> 00:52:34,698
Speaker 2: same breath as May and Daniel. I remember though, it

1141
00:52:34,818 --> 00:52:38,698
Speaker 2: was certainly in the McCarthy knicks. Like you want to

1142
00:52:38,738 --> 00:52:41,297
Speaker 2: make the argument that he was quarterback for next year

1143
00:52:41,418 --> 00:52:43,498
Speaker 2: or last year, if you put him in last year's class,

1144
00:52:43,578 --> 00:52:46,378
Speaker 2: I'm willing to let you make that argument, like you

1145
00:52:46,378 --> 00:52:47,978
Speaker 2: would you would put him ahead of Penix.

1146
00:52:49,458 --> 00:52:51,578
Speaker 3: Everybody at Penis is a second round pick. Do you

1147
00:52:51,618 --> 00:52:52,218
Speaker 3: not remember this?

1148
00:52:52,538 --> 00:52:54,098
Speaker 2: You were the one that didn't. So I'm trying to

1149
00:52:54,098 --> 00:52:54,778
Speaker 2: give you credit.

1150
00:52:55,138 --> 00:52:58,458
Speaker 3: I know, and this is me telling you I have generally,

1151
00:52:58,658 --> 00:53:00,898
Speaker 3: have I or have I not been generally? Will Levis

1152
00:53:00,978 --> 00:53:03,298
Speaker 3: was another one. I was the one on here. Okay,

1153
00:53:03,338 --> 00:53:07,458
Speaker 3: so furious that people are talking about but these guys

1154
00:53:07,738 --> 00:53:10,297
Speaker 3: you that you were right on. You're telling me now

1155
00:53:10,338 --> 00:53:12,458
Speaker 3: that Shador Sanders is worth the number one overall.

1156
00:53:12,498 --> 00:53:12,698
Speaker 2: Pick.

1157
00:53:13,138 --> 00:53:15,538
Speaker 3: I feel like he's not telling you. I'm not telling you.

1158
00:53:15,858 --> 00:53:17,818
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you he's worth the number one overall.

1159
00:53:17,858 --> 00:53:18,018
Speaker 6: Pick.

1160
00:53:18,218 --> 00:53:20,538
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that generally have a pretty good understanding

1161
00:53:20,538 --> 00:53:22,418
Speaker 3: of how the quarterback market is going to shake out.

1162
00:53:22,698 --> 00:53:24,857
Speaker 2: And I'm giving you your flowers for that. But I'm

1163
00:53:24,898 --> 00:53:27,298
Speaker 2: also letting you know that the film is the film

1164
00:53:27,498 --> 00:53:30,458
Speaker 2: and he is not the film was you cannot if

1165
00:53:30,538 --> 00:53:32,898
Speaker 2: you're a general manager. And again I said, if I

1166
00:53:33,018 --> 00:53:35,738
Speaker 2: was the Raiders and I really fell in love with Shador, okay,

1167
00:53:36,138 --> 00:53:39,818
Speaker 2: I would offer a package to move up to number one.

1168
00:53:39,978 --> 00:53:42,258
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't make the offer as good as it was.

1169
00:53:42,498 --> 00:53:45,298
Speaker 2: Would have been a couple of years ago for better prospects,

1170
00:53:45,338 --> 00:53:47,338
Speaker 2: right like I wouldn't have made the same offer that

1171
00:53:47,418 --> 00:53:50,218
Speaker 2: the Bears made for the I keep doing that the

1172
00:53:50,218 --> 00:53:53,858
Speaker 2: Panther's made for Bryce Young. If it was like Trevor

1173
00:53:53,938 --> 00:53:58,058
Speaker 2: Lawrence's draft or Joe Burrow's draft or one of those situations,

1174
00:53:58,098 --> 00:54:01,738
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go there. Like Joe Burrow, if like that

1175
00:54:01,818 --> 00:54:04,858
Speaker 2: pick was for sale for the Bengals, like, that's like

1176
00:54:04,938 --> 00:54:07,418
Speaker 2: an RG three type trade, right, Like that's like.

1177
00:54:08,218 --> 00:54:10,897
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm not necessarily saying they'll get the same,

1178
00:54:10,938 --> 00:54:14,498
Speaker 3: but I think they'll get something significant because again.

1179
00:54:14,418 --> 00:54:18,218
Speaker 2: The league is weird about quarterbacks. They don't really look

1180
00:54:18,258 --> 00:54:21,458
Speaker 2: at the value of the player specifically himself.

1181
00:54:21,738 --> 00:54:24,817
Speaker 3: It's I need a quarterback to save my job. Who

1182
00:54:24,858 --> 00:54:27,498
Speaker 3: is the best player available? That is often how the

1183
00:54:27,578 --> 00:54:28,578
Speaker 3: league looks at it.

1184
00:54:28,618 --> 00:54:31,337
Speaker 2: Sanders is gonna Jam's going to kill you because you're

1185
00:54:31,338 --> 00:54:33,777
Speaker 2: gonna go and you're gonna take Shador Sanders. He's not

1186
00:54:33,818 --> 00:54:36,378
Speaker 2: gonna be good enough to change the course of your franchise.

1187
00:54:36,578 --> 00:54:38,218
Speaker 2: And then the next year that takes over, he's gonna

1188
00:54:38,218 --> 00:54:40,298
Speaker 2: have no future first round picks because you trained.

1189
00:54:40,138 --> 00:54:42,858
Speaker 3: And how many quarterbacks have been drafted in the exact

1190
00:54:42,938 --> 00:54:44,098
Speaker 3: scenario you just laid out.

1191
00:54:44,378 --> 00:54:48,458
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, because we're arguing. Okay, wait,

1192
00:54:48,538 --> 00:54:49,337
Speaker 2: let me make one more point.

1193
00:54:49,338 --> 00:54:50,857
Speaker 3: Then I'll get to point of ultimately trying to get

1194
00:54:50,858 --> 00:54:54,218
Speaker 3: to Okay, if the Patriots trade the first overall pick

1195
00:54:54,258 --> 00:54:56,538
Speaker 3: for less than what JJ McCarthy goes for their nuts,

1196
00:54:56,658 --> 00:54:59,418
Speaker 3: there's no reason a guy who has won last year

1197
00:54:59,458 --> 00:55:02,618
Speaker 3: on his contract and just blew out his knee should

1198
00:55:02,618 --> 00:55:04,538
Speaker 3: be worth more than the first overall pick in the

1199
00:55:04,618 --> 00:55:07,018
Speaker 3: draft when the quarterback that's most likely to go there

1200
00:55:07,218 --> 00:55:08,738
Speaker 3: was ranked ahead of him last year and we were

1201
00:55:08,738 --> 00:55:10,418
Speaker 3: doing headdame, true, We're false.

1202
00:55:10,698 --> 00:55:12,738
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was ranked ahead. I think

1203
00:55:12,738 --> 00:55:15,578
Speaker 2: that everybody's gonna say that JJ McCarthy was a better prospect.

1204
00:55:15,658 --> 00:55:16,578
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now.

1205
00:55:16,578 --> 00:55:19,138
Speaker 3: The last big book, the last consensus big board from

1206
00:55:19,218 --> 00:55:22,138
Speaker 3: last year that j Sanders was on, had him seventeenth.

1207
00:55:22,218 --> 00:55:23,898
Speaker 3: I don't know where McCarthy was at that point, but

1208
00:55:24,058 --> 00:55:25,298
Speaker 3: I don't think he was seventeenth.

1209
00:55:25,338 --> 00:55:28,578
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this, because we're gonna

1210
00:55:28,658 --> 00:55:31,458
Speaker 2: argue on yeah, for the next six months about this subject.

1211
00:55:31,898 --> 00:55:35,018
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, what is a realistic trade

1212
00:55:35,378 --> 00:55:38,258
Speaker 2: that you would accept as the Patriots, Because to me,

1213
00:55:38,698 --> 00:55:42,178
Speaker 2: the realistic trade that I would look at is probably

1214
00:55:43,018 --> 00:55:45,458
Speaker 2: obviously your swapping picks this year in the first round

1215
00:55:45,938 --> 00:55:49,298
Speaker 2: I would get a twenty twenty five Day two pick,

1216
00:55:49,338 --> 00:55:51,538
Speaker 2: like a second or third round pick this year, on

1217
00:55:51,618 --> 00:55:54,898
Speaker 2: top of that a first round pick next year twenty

1218
00:55:54,938 --> 00:55:57,978
Speaker 2: twenty six first, and maybe if you could pry it

1219
00:55:57,978 --> 00:56:00,618
Speaker 2: out of them like a twenty twenty six third. So okay,

1220
00:56:00,778 --> 00:56:04,538
Speaker 2: that well, So it's basically the Panthers Bears trade without

1221
00:56:04,618 --> 00:56:05,258
Speaker 2: DJ Moore.

1222
00:56:05,378 --> 00:56:09,938
Speaker 3: So this goes to my take about Sunday's game. Yeah,

1223
00:56:10,738 --> 00:56:15,938
Speaker 3: I the first getting the first overall pick this year

1224
00:56:16,658 --> 00:56:18,578
Speaker 3: is not about this offseason.

1225
00:56:19,498 --> 00:56:22,297
Speaker 2: It's really about such a U take. Just listen. I'm

1226
00:56:22,338 --> 00:56:24,298
Speaker 2: not saying you're wrong, but it's just it's.

1227
00:56:24,178 --> 00:56:26,777
Speaker 3: Really about because I this is what I this is

1228
00:56:26,778 --> 00:56:29,178
Speaker 3: what you got to do all your film stuff all

1229
00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:29,738
Speaker 3: year and.

1230
00:56:29,698 --> 00:56:33,658
Speaker 2: Talk about DV and whatever. Okay, and I mostly let.

1231
00:56:33,658 --> 00:56:34,098
Speaker 4: You do it.

1232
00:56:34,298 --> 00:56:35,898
Speaker 2: I like Sean McDonough by the way.

1233
00:56:36,178 --> 00:56:38,378
Speaker 3: I think he's good. Test the tour was awesome yesterday. Okay,

1234
00:56:38,378 --> 00:56:39,138
Speaker 3: I know people don't like it.

1235
00:56:39,258 --> 00:56:40,417
Speaker 2: No one knows what we're talking about.

1236
00:56:40,698 --> 00:56:45,018
Speaker 3: Sunday is about the off season in twenty twenty six. Agreed,

1237
00:56:45,538 --> 00:56:49,138
Speaker 3: it's they can do what they need to do this

1238
00:56:49,258 --> 00:56:52,858
Speaker 3: off season without the first overall pick. Agree or disagree,

1239
00:56:52,858 --> 00:56:54,658
Speaker 3: they can have the off season they need to have. Okay,

1240
00:56:54,858 --> 00:56:58,297
Speaker 3: so when you talk about a trade, obviously you're you're

1241
00:56:58,338 --> 00:57:00,698
Speaker 3: swapping picks, right, I'm getting whatever I get back. And

1242
00:57:00,778 --> 00:57:02,138
Speaker 3: some of this is how far are you moving down?

1243
00:57:02,178 --> 00:57:03,897
Speaker 3: You're moving to four, you move in to eight. Right.

1244
00:57:05,258 --> 00:57:08,897
Speaker 3: The next ask for me is a future first. Yep,

1245
00:57:08,978 --> 00:57:11,738
Speaker 3: that is the most important asset the Patriots can get.

1246
00:57:11,898 --> 00:57:15,178
Speaker 3: Absolutely after that, and this is where I people think

1247
00:57:15,218 --> 00:57:17,098
Speaker 3: maybe I'm trying to pump up the draft class more

1248
00:57:17,138 --> 00:57:19,818
Speaker 3: than more than I should. My next ask after the

1249
00:57:19,858 --> 00:57:23,938
Speaker 3: future first is a future second. Okay, that's I would

1250
00:57:24,058 --> 00:57:28,578
Speaker 3: rather have a second, right, But I think I agree

1251
00:57:28,578 --> 00:57:31,378
Speaker 3: with you. But isn't every isn't every GM gonna know

1252
00:57:31,858 --> 00:57:35,018
Speaker 3: that the picks in twenty twenty six are more valuable. Well,

1253
00:57:35,138 --> 00:57:40,778
Speaker 3: the idea would be, if you're drafting a quarterback, and

1254
00:57:40,858 --> 00:57:42,858
Speaker 3: also one other take, you might get a haul for

1255
00:57:42,858 --> 00:57:45,698
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter two. But if you're drafting a quarterback.

1256
00:57:46,058 --> 00:57:46,338
Speaker 2: Crazy.

1257
00:57:46,538 --> 00:57:48,418
Speaker 3: If you're drafting quarterback, the idea is you're going to

1258
00:57:48,458 --> 00:57:50,338
Speaker 3: be better. You want to be the commanders, right, Yeah,

1259
00:57:51,138 --> 00:57:54,698
Speaker 3: would you rather give up the thirty fifth pick in

1260
00:57:54,698 --> 00:57:58,098
Speaker 3: this draft or the fifty fifth pick in next year's draft?

1261
00:57:58,218 --> 00:58:01,018
Speaker 2: Well? And we know that this is how it works.

1262
00:58:01,978 --> 00:58:04,138
Speaker 2: You might think that the player at fifty five next

1263
00:58:04,178 --> 00:58:05,058
Speaker 2: year is going to be better.

1264
00:58:04,898 --> 00:58:06,818
Speaker 3: Than Okay, so that it comes down to that, So

1265
00:58:07,338 --> 00:58:08,818
Speaker 3: run me through your trade again.

1266
00:58:08,858 --> 00:58:11,538
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just again, it's just Yeah. Basically, the Bears

1267
00:58:11,578 --> 00:58:13,818
Speaker 2: Panthers trade from a couple of years ago for Bryce

1268
00:58:13,898 --> 00:58:16,858
Speaker 2: Young without Dj Moore. So it's swap your first ye

1269
00:58:17,218 --> 00:58:19,858
Speaker 2: give a future first round pick, a second round pick

1270
00:58:19,898 --> 00:58:21,258
Speaker 2: this year, and a third next year.

1271
00:58:22,018 --> 00:58:26,178
Speaker 3: So at that point what I would rather do, keep

1272
00:58:27,378 --> 00:58:30,178
Speaker 3: the third and get a player I would rather get.

1273
00:58:30,458 --> 00:58:34,778
Speaker 2: I'd rather get a player too, Yeah, but not living

1274
00:58:34,778 --> 00:58:37,098
Speaker 2: in La La Land. Yeah, I don't think the value

1275
00:58:37,178 --> 00:58:40,818
Speaker 2: is necessarily there. Now, if you're telling me that the

1276
00:58:41,218 --> 00:58:46,658
Speaker 2: player you're getting back is Jakobe Myers, like a good player,

1277
00:58:46,698 --> 00:58:48,178
Speaker 2: but not a not Max Crosby.

1278
00:58:48,858 --> 00:58:50,778
Speaker 3: Well, so when we do the Raiders and am I've

1279
00:58:50,778 --> 00:58:51,898
Speaker 3: looked at? Is Colton Miller?

1280
00:58:52,418 --> 00:58:54,698
Speaker 2: Sure? But I don't that one. I find really hard

1281
00:58:54,698 --> 00:58:56,658
Speaker 2: to believe that they would do. He's a twenty nine

1282
00:58:56,698 --> 00:59:00,098
Speaker 2: year old tackle, he's very good, and you're drafting a

1283
00:59:00,178 --> 00:59:02,258
Speaker 2: rookie quarterback and now you're not gonna have a blindside

1284
00:59:02,258 --> 00:59:04,338
Speaker 2: protector and you're not gonna have any assets to get one,

1285
00:59:04,378 --> 00:59:08,738
Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, he's entering a contract here. Okay,

1286
00:59:08,778 --> 00:59:11,018
Speaker 2: but again, like, where's your left tackle coming from?

1287
00:59:11,058 --> 00:59:13,338
Speaker 3: But are you gonna pay a thirty year old tack?

1288
00:59:13,418 --> 00:59:15,378
Speaker 3: He's a pre agent, right, are you gonna pay a

1289
00:59:15,378 --> 00:59:16,138
Speaker 3: thirty year old tackle?

1290
00:59:16,498 --> 00:59:18,218
Speaker 2: Just did it with Garret Bowles? All right, fair enough,

1291
00:59:18,258 --> 00:59:22,578
Speaker 2: same scenario. So I think you're right. It's it's first, second,

1292
00:59:22,618 --> 00:59:23,258
Speaker 2: first third.

1293
00:59:23,418 --> 00:59:27,538
Speaker 3: Yeah, Honestly, to me, even if you're like, let's say

1294
00:59:27,538 --> 00:59:31,338
Speaker 3: it's the Giants, right, let's say you're moving down one spot, swap,

1295
00:59:31,338 --> 00:59:32,978
Speaker 3: give me next year's first, I'm done. I don't need

1296
00:59:32,978 --> 00:59:35,618
Speaker 3: any more picks in that I would.

1297
00:59:35,818 --> 00:59:38,178
Speaker 2: I would like a Day two pick. It doesn't I'd

1298
00:59:38,218 --> 00:59:40,218
Speaker 2: like it. It doesn't have to be my full trade.

1299
00:59:40,218 --> 00:59:42,098
Speaker 2: Like if you only get one more Day two back,

1300
00:59:42,498 --> 00:59:46,658
Speaker 2: I'm okay. I am with you, though in general that

1301
00:59:48,178 --> 00:59:51,178
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you roll over in negotiations. But

1302
00:59:51,458 --> 00:59:55,658
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily gonna be too upset. You know, if

1303
00:59:55,698 --> 00:59:57,978
Speaker 2: they take a little bit of a discount because of

1304
00:59:57,978 --> 01:00:00,818
Speaker 2: the year, because of the draft class, I still would

1305
01:00:00,858 --> 01:00:02,818
Speaker 2: do it. I still think it's more important to get

1306
01:00:02,818 --> 01:00:04,978
Speaker 2: the package of picks to not do it at all.

1307
01:00:05,018 --> 01:00:08,858
Speaker 3: I think the prize here is twenty twenty twenty six.

1308
01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:11,698
Speaker 3: If they get that and obviously swap, you can't move

1309
01:00:11,698 --> 01:00:12,538
Speaker 3: out of the first round.

1310
01:00:12,578 --> 01:00:15,498
Speaker 2: The sea and I so the Fred and I got

1311
01:00:15,538 --> 01:00:17,578
Speaker 2: in and I don't know how far.

1312
01:00:17,698 --> 01:00:20,538
Speaker 3: So there's two trades in the last twenty five years

1313
01:00:20,578 --> 01:00:23,738
Speaker 3: of the first overall pick. One was the Bears Panthers

1314
01:00:23,738 --> 01:00:27,418
Speaker 3: back time. Yeah, the Titans moved back to fifteen, right,

1315
01:00:27,858 --> 01:00:30,538
Speaker 3: I think the furthest I go back is mate. So

1316
01:00:30,458 --> 01:00:35,138
Speaker 3: so let's say the Raiders fall to nine, which is realistic. Yeah, first, second,

1317
01:00:35,258 --> 01:00:38,818
Speaker 3: future first, and then one of Max Crosby or Colton Miller.

1318
01:00:39,618 --> 01:00:40,698
Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's a lot.

1319
01:00:40,698 --> 01:00:42,178
Speaker 3: But you're moving all the way back to nine. So

1320
01:00:42,258 --> 01:00:44,938
Speaker 3: now you probably don't have a shot at Banks, Carter

1321
01:00:45,338 --> 01:00:49,538
Speaker 3: or Campbell. If I'm going to pass on Banks, Carter

1322
01:00:49,578 --> 01:00:51,378
Speaker 3: and Campbell, I need a ship player.

1323
01:00:51,578 --> 01:00:54,018
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not totally sold. You're so you're saying

1324
01:00:54,178 --> 01:00:55,818
Speaker 2: goodbye to the to the two linemen.

1325
01:00:55,938 --> 01:00:59,898
Speaker 3: But at nine, yeah, okay, because I I think so, well,

1326
01:00:59,978 --> 01:01:02,298
Speaker 3: let me put it this way, probably if if at

1327
01:01:02,378 --> 01:01:04,618
Speaker 3: least one of them, but but if they fall that

1328
01:01:04,698 --> 01:01:07,098
Speaker 3: far they're probably guards, at which point the Patriots probably

1329
01:01:07,098 --> 01:01:07,938
Speaker 3: shouldn't be interested.

1330
01:01:08,778 --> 01:01:11,658
Speaker 2: Maybe. I mean, like Olufushanu went around there last year,

1331
01:01:11,778 --> 01:01:16,018
Speaker 2: you know, like Telesia, but he was the third tackle. Yeah,

1332
01:01:16,098 --> 01:01:19,138
Speaker 2: that's that's That's the rub about this class is that

1333
01:01:19,218 --> 01:01:21,578
Speaker 2: there's not that talent. So that's so that's why I

1334
01:01:21,578 --> 01:01:22,578
Speaker 2: wouldn't move that far.

1335
01:01:22,698 --> 01:01:25,458
Speaker 3: So that's why move wouldn't move that far down unless

1336
01:01:26,018 --> 01:01:28,458
Speaker 3: I get like a player, right, because if you get

1337
01:01:28,698 --> 01:01:31,338
Speaker 3: Colton Miller, I don't mind that I passed on Will

1338
01:01:31,378 --> 01:01:34,658
Speaker 3: Campbell and Calvin Brice, right, so I know, but that's

1339
01:01:34,698 --> 01:01:36,658
Speaker 3: just the point. Yeah, I would try to stay in

1340
01:01:36,658 --> 01:01:39,298
Speaker 3: that four to five range. And if it's just swap

1341
01:01:39,458 --> 01:01:43,018
Speaker 3: next year's first and and then maybe it's give me

1342
01:01:43,058 --> 01:01:45,298
Speaker 3: a Day two pick this year next year second, third,

1343
01:01:45,378 --> 01:01:47,778
Speaker 3: like whatever you throw that in, I'd probably be good

1344
01:01:47,778 --> 01:01:50,738
Speaker 3: with that. The real prize is that twenty twenty five first,

1345
01:01:51,578 --> 01:01:54,018
Speaker 3: twenty six first, and then if you really want to

1346
01:01:54,018 --> 01:01:55,898
Speaker 3: get nuts and you really want to stretch this out, Evan,

1347
01:01:56,538 --> 01:01:58,978
Speaker 3: you have two first next year you trade down from

1348
01:01:58,978 --> 01:01:59,458
Speaker 3: one of those.

1349
01:01:59,538 --> 01:02:00,938
Speaker 2: Okay, we can get to that next you.

1350
01:02:00,898 --> 01:02:06,058
Speaker 3: Now, wait, Jeremiah Smith, Yeah, it is Jeremiah Smith like

1351
01:02:06,098 --> 01:02:07,658
Speaker 3: everything you've ever wanted what we have.

1352
01:02:08,698 --> 01:02:09,218
Speaker 2: Is he your fair?

1353
01:02:09,218 --> 01:02:09,538
Speaker 3: All right?

1354
01:02:09,938 --> 01:02:10,298
Speaker 4: He is?

1355
01:02:10,338 --> 01:02:11,018
Speaker 2: He is?

1356
01:02:11,018 --> 01:02:12,138
Speaker 3: He already your favorite.

1357
01:02:11,898 --> 01:02:14,098
Speaker 2: Draft hospital We'll get it. We'll get to it.

1358
01:02:14,138 --> 01:02:16,858
Speaker 3: I want your Jeremiah say something nice about Jeremiah smith Man.

1359
01:02:16,858 --> 01:02:19,138
Speaker 2: There's too many things to say nice about Jeremiah Smith.

1360
01:02:19,298 --> 01:02:21,978
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you choose between Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams.

1361
01:02:22,018 --> 01:02:23,098
Speaker 2: I think I already have a choice.

1362
01:02:23,258 --> 01:02:23,378
Speaker 6: Uh.

1363
01:02:23,738 --> 01:02:27,338
Speaker 2: Anyways, I I'm with you. I still do the trade

1364
01:02:27,378 --> 01:02:31,578
Speaker 2: even if it is perceived, you know, perceived from relatively

1365
01:02:31,578 --> 01:02:33,738
Speaker 2: speaking to other drafts as a little bit of a

1366
01:02:34,018 --> 01:02:35,938
Speaker 2: of a discount, a little bit of pennies on the dollar.

1367
01:02:36,178 --> 01:02:38,658
Speaker 2: I still think it's worth their while to do the

1368
01:02:38,698 --> 01:02:42,298
Speaker 2: trade down because I don't. I hate, hate, hate the

1369
01:02:42,418 --> 01:02:46,698
Speaker 2: idea of taking being forced into taking somebody one one

1370
01:02:47,098 --> 01:02:48,778
Speaker 2: this year for the Patriots. I don't want to take

1371
01:02:48,818 --> 01:02:52,258
Speaker 2: anybody at one one. I don't. I just don't. Travis

1372
01:02:52,338 --> 01:02:56,818
Speaker 2: Hunter awesome talent, scares the crap out of me. Like,

1373
01:02:56,898 --> 01:03:00,178
Speaker 2: what is he? Where does he play? What coaching staff

1374
01:03:00,218 --> 01:03:01,058
Speaker 2: are you giving him to?

1375
01:03:01,258 --> 01:03:01,458
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1376
01:03:01,898 --> 01:03:04,218
Speaker 2: It just bad you've come around on that team. That

1377
01:03:04,338 --> 01:03:06,578
Speaker 2: terrifies me. I still think he could play a receiver

1378
01:03:06,658 --> 01:03:09,178
Speaker 2: in the league. I still lean towards him being a

1379
01:03:09,178 --> 01:03:11,258
Speaker 2: better corner, but I think he's gonna want to play receive.

1380
01:03:11,338 --> 01:03:14,338
Speaker 3: Everything I've heard is the league is drafting him as

1381
01:03:14,338 --> 01:03:14,658
Speaker 3: a corner.

1382
01:03:14,778 --> 01:03:16,738
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wants to play receiver. I know he does,

1383
01:03:16,818 --> 01:03:21,698
Speaker 2: but yeah, he wants to play both ways. Right, I'm

1384
01:03:21,738 --> 01:03:24,658
Speaker 2: coming around if I had, like you know that that

1385
01:03:24,738 --> 01:03:27,138
Speaker 2: guns your head, you have to take somebody one one.

1386
01:03:27,298 --> 01:03:29,498
Speaker 2: I am coming around a little bit to Abdul Carter

1387
01:03:29,898 --> 01:03:33,698
Speaker 2: because the biggest reason won Walker take it is a

1388
01:03:33,698 --> 01:03:35,898
Speaker 2: little bit, but I think Abdul Carter has more college

1389
01:03:35,898 --> 01:03:39,298
Speaker 2: production than Trayvon Walker did. I think the biggest reason why, though,

1390
01:03:39,378 --> 01:03:42,618
Speaker 2: is because I I want a super athlete. If I'm

1391
01:03:42,618 --> 01:03:44,538
Speaker 2: gonna have to draft somebody there, I want him to

1392
01:03:44,538 --> 01:03:47,378
Speaker 2: at least be a unicorn athletically. And I do think

1393
01:03:47,538 --> 01:03:50,498
Speaker 2: that Hunter and Abdul Carter both checked that box. So

1394
01:03:50,538 --> 01:03:54,018
Speaker 2: at least there's that, But their projection is murky in

1395
01:03:54,138 --> 01:03:57,218
Speaker 2: terms of Hunter especially, but even Carter. You know he's

1396
01:03:57,218 --> 01:03:59,458
Speaker 2: gonna be like a six ' to two, two hundred

1397
01:03:59,498 --> 01:04:02,778
Speaker 2: and forty five pound edge rusher, you know in this system,

1398
01:04:02,858 --> 01:04:04,938
Speaker 2: like what He's not gonna set the edge right, Like,

1399
01:04:05,018 --> 01:04:06,778
Speaker 2: it's not that he's not gonna be that kind of guy.

1400
01:04:07,258 --> 01:04:08,898
Speaker 2: So how do they use him? You know, how do

1401
01:04:08,978 --> 01:04:11,418
Speaker 2: they develop his pass rush toolbox? I think is really

1402
01:04:11,418 --> 01:04:13,698
Speaker 2: big too, because he's still a little bit raw after

1403
01:04:13,738 --> 01:04:16,858
Speaker 2: playing inside most of his career at Penn State and

1404
01:04:16,858 --> 01:04:19,218
Speaker 2: then playing on the line of scrimmage mostly this year. Like,

1405
01:04:19,258 --> 01:04:22,178
Speaker 2: he's still developing as a pass rusher. But the tools

1406
01:04:22,218 --> 01:04:24,098
Speaker 2: are the tools. I mean, he's a shot out of

1407
01:04:24,098 --> 01:04:28,378
Speaker 2: the cannon freak. But I still would just do the

1408
01:04:28,378 --> 01:04:31,578
Speaker 2: trade down to your point of how far down would

1409
01:04:31,578 --> 01:04:35,858
Speaker 2: you go? Yeah, I am trading down I and my

1410
01:04:35,938 --> 01:04:39,138
Speaker 2: two targets. When in a trade down, yep, I would

1411
01:04:39,258 --> 01:04:41,858
Speaker 2: love to say that Carter would still be on the

1412
01:04:41,858 --> 01:04:44,538
Speaker 2: board for you. Like, let's say it goes you know,

1413
01:04:44,898 --> 01:04:49,178
Speaker 2: quarterback hunter. You know, Mason Graham and Will Johnson are

1414
01:04:49,178 --> 01:04:49,938
Speaker 2: still sitting there.

1415
01:04:50,178 --> 01:04:52,738
Speaker 3: I don't think Mason Graham's going before Abdell Carter.

1416
01:04:53,098 --> 01:04:56,298
Speaker 2: Probably not. So maybe if you're at like three or four,

1417
01:04:56,538 --> 01:04:58,778
Speaker 2: you could maybe still talk about Abdol Carter being.

1418
01:04:58,738 --> 01:05:03,178
Speaker 3: Okay, if you're at four, you're gonna get one of.

1419
01:05:03,178 --> 01:05:05,578
Speaker 2: Carter Hunter, right, I truly believe that, So I like

1420
01:05:05,658 --> 01:05:07,258
Speaker 2: that that's where I sort of.

1421
01:05:07,178 --> 01:05:09,058
Speaker 3: Like, I think three or four is the sweet spot.

1422
01:05:09,138 --> 01:05:11,658
Speaker 3: I will remind people to the Browns do have all

1423
01:05:11,698 --> 01:05:14,978
Speaker 3: their picks back? Yeah, after the now there may be

1424
01:05:14,978 --> 01:05:17,298
Speaker 3: more of a day two quarterback team because they restructured

1425
01:05:17,338 --> 01:05:19,658
Speaker 3: Rogers contract. We were talking so you I was talking

1426
01:05:19,658 --> 01:05:21,858
Speaker 3: earlier about Drew Aller like that may be a landing

1427
01:05:21,898 --> 01:05:25,218
Speaker 3: spot for Drew Aller. The other question in this because

1428
01:05:25,218 --> 01:05:26,818
Speaker 3: I've been getting this a lot, and I asked you

1429
01:05:26,858 --> 01:05:28,258
Speaker 3: off the air where you stand, but just for you

1430
01:05:28,298 --> 01:05:29,498
Speaker 3: to give your take on the air.

1431
01:05:29,378 --> 01:05:32,058
Speaker 2: Can I give one more We're on that real quick. Yeah.

1432
01:05:32,538 --> 01:05:34,338
Speaker 2: The two guys that I'm looking at right now for

1433
01:05:34,378 --> 01:05:36,938
Speaker 2: the Patriots and Hunters his own thing, Like I think

1434
01:05:37,018 --> 01:05:40,698
Speaker 2: Hunter is you need to be organizationally aligned to draft

1435
01:05:40,698 --> 01:05:42,858
Speaker 2: a guy like Travis Hunter, that this is what he is,

1436
01:05:42,978 --> 01:05:44,778
Speaker 2: this is how we're going to play him, this is

1437
01:05:44,778 --> 01:05:47,938
Speaker 2: how we're going to manage it whatever. And frankly, with

1438
01:05:48,018 --> 01:05:50,018
Speaker 2: the state of the Patriots, I'm not sure that that

1439
01:05:50,258 --> 01:05:53,498
Speaker 2: organization that take a couple of weeks ago. So the

1440
01:05:53,498 --> 01:05:57,778
Speaker 2: two guys on the it's a take, welcome to it.

1441
01:05:58,298 --> 01:06:02,098
Speaker 2: What I'm looking at right now. Kelvin Banks, Abdul Carter,

1442
01:06:02,338 --> 01:06:06,898
Speaker 2: right like, whichever one doesn't, whichever doesn't go your way

1443
01:06:06,898 --> 01:06:09,218
Speaker 2: in free agency, right right, Like if you don't get

1444
01:06:09,218 --> 01:06:10,938
Speaker 2: the pass rusher in free agency or you don't get

1445
01:06:10,938 --> 01:06:13,658
Speaker 2: the tackle, whichever way it goes in free agency, I

1446
01:06:13,658 --> 01:06:16,058
Speaker 2: think you have a plug and play starter on the

1447
01:06:16,098 --> 01:06:18,058
Speaker 2: line or an impact past I'm with.

1448
01:06:18,258 --> 01:06:20,298
Speaker 3: I want a line of scrimmage player, one side the

1449
01:06:20,338 --> 01:06:22,698
Speaker 3: ball or the other trenches out. Remind me where you're

1450
01:06:22,738 --> 01:06:23,458
Speaker 3: at on Campbell.

1451
01:06:24,898 --> 01:06:26,858
Speaker 2: If his arms are checked off, then I'm in.

1452
01:06:27,258 --> 01:06:29,458
Speaker 3: But so would you put him in that group?

1453
01:06:29,858 --> 01:06:32,818
Speaker 2: If if he's even if it's like thirty two and

1454
01:06:32,898 --> 01:06:35,138
Speaker 2: seven eight, just get me as close to thirty three

1455
01:06:35,178 --> 01:06:37,498
Speaker 2: as you possibly can. I mean the clip that's going

1456
01:06:37,498 --> 01:06:39,778
Speaker 2: around of his answer at the press, like, that guy's

1457
01:06:39,818 --> 01:06:41,898
Speaker 2: just gonna be. He's gonna be an NFL football player

1458
01:06:41,938 --> 01:06:43,378
Speaker 2: for a decade. I don't know if it's gonna be

1459
01:06:43,378 --> 01:06:46,218
Speaker 2: inside or outside, but he's gonna make an offensive line better.

1460
01:06:46,258 --> 01:06:48,578
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a captain. Like he's gonna be sounds

1461
01:06:48,618 --> 01:06:51,778
Speaker 2: like Matthew McConaughey too. He's okay, he doesn't ad a

1462
01:06:51,818 --> 01:06:56,578
Speaker 2: little bit. He's gonna be an absolute stud in your

1463
01:06:56,658 --> 01:07:00,298
Speaker 2: locker room. In your on your football field everywhere. I

1464
01:07:00,418 --> 01:07:02,578
Speaker 2: just don't know where on the football field he's gonna be.

1465
01:07:02,658 --> 01:07:05,138
Speaker 3: So I'm with you, and like, if they walk away

1466
01:07:05,298 --> 01:07:08,178
Speaker 3: with Carter Banks and then Campbell with the astrisk with

1467
01:07:08,218 --> 01:07:10,698
Speaker 3: the arms right, Yeah, if they walk away with Carter

1468
01:07:10,818 --> 01:07:15,378
Speaker 3: Banks or tackle Will Campbell, Yeah that good.

1469
01:07:15,538 --> 01:07:16,658
Speaker 2: They did the job. Yeah.

1470
01:07:16,658 --> 01:07:18,458
Speaker 3: And then just if they get the first over but

1471
01:07:18,658 --> 01:07:20,858
Speaker 3: they can do that without the first overall pick, which

1472
01:07:20,898 --> 01:07:23,178
Speaker 3: goes back to my take of the first overall picks

1473
01:07:23,178 --> 01:07:25,658
Speaker 3: really about the twenty twenty six offseason, not twenty twenty five.

1474
01:07:26,098 --> 01:07:29,018
Speaker 3: So we're talking about spots to trade down, right, Tennessee

1475
01:07:29,058 --> 01:07:31,418
Speaker 3: at two seems like a spot. Cleveland at three seems

1476
01:07:31,418 --> 01:07:33,538
Speaker 3: like a spot. Giants at Fords it stands right now,

1477
01:07:34,258 --> 01:07:37,098
Speaker 3: Vegas at eight, I wouldn't go down to ten. Maybe

1478
01:07:37,098 --> 01:07:39,098
Speaker 3: New Orleans somehow slips a couple spots that I could

1479
01:07:39,098 --> 01:07:39,898
Speaker 3: be quarterback team.

1480
01:07:40,898 --> 01:07:41,298
Speaker 2: Would you?

1481
01:07:41,498 --> 01:07:43,458
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about Fred's trade, I'm talking about

1482
01:07:43,498 --> 01:07:46,458
Speaker 3: swat picks, the trade we've been talking about. Would you

1483
01:07:46,458 --> 01:07:48,178
Speaker 3: trade the first overall pick in the division to the

1484
01:07:48,218 --> 01:07:49,818
Speaker 3: New York Jets.

1485
01:07:50,858 --> 01:07:54,058
Speaker 2: I lean towards yes, because I don't.

1486
01:07:53,898 --> 01:07:55,098
Speaker 3: Know you've changed your mind.

1487
01:07:55,218 --> 01:07:56,698
Speaker 2: Did I change them? Yeah, I text you about this

1488
01:07:56,698 --> 01:07:59,738
Speaker 2: the other day. I always, I always, like, am inclined

1489
01:07:59,778 --> 01:08:03,218
Speaker 2: to say no. But I don't really think very highly

1490
01:08:03,258 --> 01:08:06,098
Speaker 2: of Shador and I kind of feel like giving him

1491
01:08:06,098 --> 01:08:10,178
Speaker 2: to the Jets might actually be like kind of sabotaging

1492
01:08:10,218 --> 01:08:12,018
Speaker 2: the Jets in a way. I would not do it.

1493
01:08:12,338 --> 01:08:16,218
Speaker 3: So maybe if the Jets were at like three, I would, Yeah,

1494
01:08:16,938 --> 01:08:20,577
Speaker 3: on the off chance, or is a guy you put

1495
01:08:20,617 --> 01:08:22,898
Speaker 3: an elite quarterback on your schedule twice a year for

1496
01:08:22,978 --> 01:08:24,577
Speaker 3: ten years, there's no coming back.

1497
01:08:24,738 --> 01:08:27,858
Speaker 2: Now there's no coming back. I probably still say no,

1498
01:08:28,098 --> 01:08:29,817
Speaker 2: but I do find it funny now that they could

1499
01:08:29,818 --> 01:08:31,777
Speaker 2: hand him a overdrafted quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Now, well, if I so, I made this joke yesterday

1501
01:08:33,898 --> 01:08:35,737
Speaker 3: because you know my take on Will Howard, Right, that's

1502
01:08:35,738 --> 01:08:37,978
Speaker 3: some NFLT. If you find out the Jets want Will

1503
01:08:38,018 --> 01:08:41,697
Speaker 3: Howard find have the pick. But if that being said,

1504
01:08:41,697 --> 01:08:44,697
Speaker 3: if I'm Elliott Wolf or whoever's in charge, right, I

1505
01:08:44,778 --> 01:08:48,338
Speaker 3: am leaking to everybody everybody under the sun that I'm

1506
01:08:48,338 --> 01:08:51,538
Speaker 3: taking the Jets call, and I'm taking the Jets call. Yeah,

1507
01:08:51,577 --> 01:08:54,017
Speaker 3: and I'm using that to leverage these other teams. I'm

1508
01:08:54,058 --> 01:08:55,577
Speaker 3: not trading it to the Jets, but I'm not letting

1509
01:08:55,577 --> 01:08:57,298
Speaker 3: the Jets know that I'm not trading it to the Jets.

1510
01:08:57,378 --> 01:08:59,138
Speaker 2: All right, let's open it up because I know these

1511
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Speaker 2: people have been waiting and we're getting inundated with emails.

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Speaker 2: get to these phones because people have been waiting. Patty

1533
01:10:04,978 --> 01:10:07,298
Speaker 2: is an aguam. What's up, Patty?

1534
01:10:07,978 --> 01:10:09,498
Speaker 7: What is up this afternoon?

1535
01:10:09,537 --> 01:10:09,857
Speaker 6: Gentlemen?

1536
01:10:10,537 --> 01:10:11,657
Speaker 2: How are we doing? All right?

1537
01:10:11,737 --> 01:10:16,338
Speaker 7: So Elevan your favorite time favorite discussion draft talk o kah.

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01:10:16,378 --> 01:10:19,737
Speaker 7: First off, Alex, I gotta tell you you can't compare

1539
01:10:19,777 --> 01:10:22,218
Speaker 7: that Packer's team to this Patriots team. That Packer's team

1540
01:10:22,258 --> 01:10:25,058
Speaker 7: went fifteen to one and we are abysmal.

1541
01:10:25,418 --> 01:10:26,777
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when else am I gonna get to talk

1542
01:10:26,777 --> 01:10:27,537
Speaker 3: about Matt Flynn?

1543
01:10:29,497 --> 01:10:29,977
Speaker 8: Good point?

1544
01:10:30,058 --> 01:10:33,258
Speaker 7: Good point? But you know that hey, that game made

1545
01:10:33,298 --> 01:10:35,418
Speaker 7: that dude a lot of money, so it props to him.

1546
01:10:36,737 --> 01:10:40,017
Speaker 7: So I just want to say one thing to you, Evan,

1547
01:10:40,338 --> 01:10:43,338
Speaker 7: and then give you my the combos that I want.

1548
01:10:44,058 --> 01:10:46,977
Speaker 7: Never underestimate how stupid the Raiders are. Evan. I don't

1549
01:10:46,978 --> 01:10:50,537
Speaker 7: care that Tom Brady's in that organization. If Mark Davis

1550
01:10:50,537 --> 01:10:54,298
Speaker 7: wants Shador Sanders and we're sitting there at one, I

1551
01:10:54,298 --> 01:10:56,537
Speaker 7: would give it to him, you know, because I think

1552
01:10:56,537 --> 01:10:58,977
Speaker 7: we can get a first round pick, like you were saying,

1553
01:10:59,178 --> 01:11:01,577
Speaker 7: a future first round pick, swat picks, and a second

1554
01:11:01,657 --> 01:11:04,937
Speaker 7: round pick this year, and that'd be good enough for me.

1555
01:11:04,978 --> 01:11:07,058
Speaker 7: And I would take Banks if he's there. But I

1556
01:11:07,098 --> 01:11:10,258
Speaker 7: want to come away with a combination of one of

1557
01:11:10,258 --> 01:11:14,378
Speaker 7: these two players, either Banks and Jack Sawyer. I don't

1558
01:11:14,378 --> 01:11:15,697
Speaker 7: care if you've got to trade up to the first

1559
01:11:15,737 --> 01:11:18,418
Speaker 7: round to get him. But the guy I'm really I

1560
01:11:18,497 --> 01:11:23,418
Speaker 7: really want now is Abdul Carter because our defense sucks.

1561
01:11:23,458 --> 01:11:25,657
Speaker 7: And part of the reason why our defense sucks is

1562
01:11:25,978 --> 01:11:28,737
Speaker 7: we cannot generate a pass rush and we need a

1563
01:11:28,777 --> 01:11:32,418
Speaker 7: friggin dude, and that guy is a dude. Get him

1564
01:11:32,577 --> 01:11:36,338
Speaker 7: and trade up and try and get Connolly. So if

1565
01:11:36,338 --> 01:11:38,298
Speaker 7: we can get a combination of one of those two things,

1566
01:11:38,338 --> 01:11:41,017
Speaker 7: I'll wike away from this draft happy. That's all I got.

1567
01:11:41,258 --> 01:11:43,617
Speaker 2: Thanks it takes I feel like this is starting to

1568
01:11:43,617 --> 01:11:45,138
Speaker 2: become a little bit of group think, which is not

1569
01:11:45,298 --> 01:11:50,657
Speaker 2: an insult, you know, Abdul Carter or Banks, and then

1570
01:11:50,897 --> 01:11:53,178
Speaker 2: trading back up into the end of the first round

1571
01:11:53,258 --> 01:11:55,258
Speaker 2: to get whatever you don't get right and I I

1572
01:11:55,617 --> 01:11:57,777
Speaker 2: love to take And that's kind of where I am

1573
01:11:57,777 --> 01:12:00,937
Speaker 2: settled at this point. I sent you my little offseason plan.

1574
01:12:01,018 --> 01:12:03,937
Speaker 2: I think i'll tell you the next week. Jack was

1575
01:12:05,138 --> 01:12:08,697
Speaker 2: in that role. He was really freaking. I thought he's

1576
01:12:08,697 --> 01:12:11,378
Speaker 2: gonna be a second round pick after that game. Maybe not. Yeah,

1577
01:12:11,418 --> 01:12:14,378
Speaker 2: he's ranked pretty low on our consensus website. I saw.

1578
01:12:14,418 --> 01:12:17,057
Speaker 3: I think they have an updated yet for yesterday's game.

1579
01:12:17,178 --> 01:12:18,458
Speaker 3: He's gonna I threw that out.

1580
01:12:18,537 --> 01:12:20,378
Speaker 2: I was thinking of throwing that out there too, because

1581
01:12:20,378 --> 01:12:22,537
Speaker 2: I like a couple of those guys. You know, I

1582
01:12:22,577 --> 01:12:24,418
Speaker 2: don't feel like you could ever go wrong with drafting

1583
01:12:24,497 --> 01:12:26,777
Speaker 2: talent from Ohio State, Like, do you know it's crazy?

1584
01:12:27,378 --> 01:12:29,258
Speaker 3: The two guys on Ohio State who are probably the

1585
01:12:29,258 --> 01:12:31,857
Speaker 3: best NFL prospects, neither one of them is draft out.

1586
01:12:32,138 --> 01:12:33,537
Speaker 2: I will get to it in a second.

1587
01:12:33,657 --> 01:12:36,497
Speaker 3: Well, I want to know if you watch Caleb Downs too,

1588
01:12:37,458 --> 01:12:40,017
Speaker 3: I don't think so. So if we're allow me for

1589
01:12:40,058 --> 01:12:42,737
Speaker 3: a second, Okay, twenty twenty five draft, we're done.

1590
01:12:42,857 --> 01:12:43,097
Speaker 2: No.

1591
01:12:43,218 --> 01:12:45,097
Speaker 3: Number one for the Patriots on the twenty twenty six

1592
01:12:45,178 --> 01:12:47,298
Speaker 3: draft board right now, and hopefully they're not picking this high.

1593
01:12:47,338 --> 01:12:50,897
Speaker 3: But Caleb Downs what position is safety? He was like

1594
01:12:51,338 --> 01:12:55,137
Speaker 3: Nick Saban's favorite, one of Nick Saban's favorite recruits ever.

1595
01:12:55,537 --> 01:12:57,857
Speaker 3: And then when Sabin retired, he transferred to Ohio State

1596
01:12:57,897 --> 01:13:00,298
Speaker 3: this year. Yeah, and he's like the guy. He does

1597
01:13:00,378 --> 01:13:04,017
Speaker 3: everything on that Ohio State defense. He's the only he

1598
01:13:04,098 --> 01:13:06,617
Speaker 3: was the only unanimous All American playing in the Rose

1599
01:13:06,657 --> 01:13:08,737
Speaker 3: Bowl yesterday. But he's a true sophomore. If he was

1600
01:13:08,737 --> 01:13:10,897
Speaker 3: in this draft, he's easily a top ten, probably a

1601
01:13:10,897 --> 01:13:11,537
Speaker 3: top five pick.

1602
01:13:11,737 --> 01:13:15,258
Speaker 2: So I always, I'm always with the Buckeyes, right. I

1603
01:13:15,258 --> 01:13:18,657
Speaker 2: feel like that's been almost neglected by the Patriots for

1604
01:13:18,697 --> 01:13:23,057
Speaker 2: some probably weird like Ohio State bias Nate Abner. Yeah,

1605
01:13:23,098 --> 01:13:25,418
Speaker 2: besides Nate Ebner, like we need some more Buckeyes here,

1606
01:13:25,537 --> 01:13:26,657
Speaker 2: that's where the talent is.

1607
01:13:26,937 --> 01:13:28,418
Speaker 3: Well maybe if a Buckeyes head coach.

1608
01:13:28,697 --> 01:13:33,418
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's true. Jack Sawyer a maan, But yeah,

1609
01:13:33,458 --> 01:13:36,098
Speaker 2: I really liked this idea in my opinion, and I

1610
01:13:36,098 --> 01:13:37,977
Speaker 2: think they tried to pull it off last year and

1611
01:13:38,018 --> 01:13:41,418
Speaker 2: they just couldn't do it. Of trading, you know, you're

1612
01:13:41,458 --> 01:13:44,458
Speaker 2: gonna be at probably what thirty three, thirty four, thirty

1613
01:13:44,497 --> 01:13:47,298
Speaker 2: five something like that at the top of the second round.

1614
01:13:47,537 --> 01:13:49,777
Speaker 2: I would love to make two first round picks, especially

1615
01:13:49,817 --> 01:13:51,737
Speaker 2: in a year like this where it's a really thin

1616
01:13:51,897 --> 01:13:54,097
Speaker 2: draft at the top, like you might as well get

1617
01:13:54,138 --> 01:13:57,897
Speaker 2: two guys that are you know, consensus, you know, first

1618
01:13:57,978 --> 01:14:00,977
Speaker 2: rounders in this class. So there's a couple of guys

1619
01:14:01,018 --> 01:14:03,697
Speaker 2: that fit that bill to me, you know, Connorly certainly

1620
01:14:03,737 --> 01:14:05,418
Speaker 2: one of them if you don't get the tackle early,

1621
01:14:06,258 --> 01:14:07,777
Speaker 2: and I have a couple of others, but I want

1622
01:14:07,777 --> 01:14:10,017
Speaker 2: to save that for for recency bias here at the end.

1623
01:14:10,018 --> 01:14:13,497
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm with Patty about that trade up. I

1624
01:14:13,497 --> 01:14:16,258
Speaker 2: feel like if you trade down, yeah, and then you

1625
01:14:16,298 --> 01:14:18,817
Speaker 2: accumulate the assets, and then you use one of those

1626
01:14:18,857 --> 01:14:20,377
Speaker 2: assets to then trade.

1627
01:14:20,138 --> 01:14:23,178
Speaker 3: Back up and they still right from the judn't trade,

1628
01:14:23,218 --> 01:14:23,617
Speaker 3: so then you.

1629
01:14:23,577 --> 01:14:26,337
Speaker 2: Make two first round picks. All right, Sean is in Florida.

1630
01:14:26,338 --> 01:14:31,137
Speaker 2: What's up Sean? Sean? Guys, Hey, how you doing.

1631
01:14:31,018 --> 01:14:34,737
Speaker 9: A great a happy New Year? I hope you both

1632
01:14:34,737 --> 01:14:36,577
Speaker 9: had a happy hanakah.

1633
01:14:36,657 --> 01:14:40,298
Speaker 2: Thank you to Joan, you know, welcome well.

1634
01:14:40,338 --> 01:14:42,697
Speaker 9: I hear a lot of talk about Joe Milton playing

1635
01:14:43,657 --> 01:14:46,697
Speaker 9: on Sunday, and it makes sense. One argument I haven't

1636
01:14:46,737 --> 01:14:50,378
Speaker 9: heard yet is something I wanted to bring up that

1637
01:14:50,657 --> 01:14:52,897
Speaker 9: we don't know if we're said it's going to be

1638
01:14:52,937 --> 01:14:57,017
Speaker 9: back next year. So, like Alex, you mentioned the Bills

1639
01:14:57,018 --> 01:14:59,178
Speaker 9: don't know much about Joe Milton to the Patriots. I

1640
01:14:59,178 --> 01:15:01,337
Speaker 9: want to see if this guy can run our offense.

1641
01:15:01,617 --> 01:15:05,338
Speaker 9: Can he be a backup next year? And Alex also,

1642
01:15:05,857 --> 01:15:08,857
Speaker 9: I like you're trying to get to the twenty twenty

1643
01:15:08,897 --> 01:15:11,897
Speaker 9: seven draft. I think that's going to be a good

1644
01:15:11,897 --> 01:15:14,178
Speaker 9: one because the Patriots, let's face if they're not a

1645
01:15:14,178 --> 01:15:16,177
Speaker 9: good team, they're not gonna be in playoffs in twenty

1646
01:15:16,218 --> 01:15:19,058
Speaker 9: twenty five or twenty twenty six. So looking at not

1647
01:15:19,298 --> 01:15:23,897
Speaker 9: just Jeremiah Smith, but also someone who'll probably see today

1648
01:15:24,577 --> 01:15:28,258
Speaker 9: in Emitt Mosley, there's some gonna be some good receivers

1649
01:15:28,298 --> 01:15:32,577
Speaker 9: and be nice to have awesome uh immunion to get

1650
01:15:32,577 --> 01:15:34,577
Speaker 9: that pick again for the top one. So I'll let

1651
01:15:34,617 --> 01:15:36,577
Speaker 9: you go and that thanks guys.

1652
01:15:37,298 --> 01:15:39,418
Speaker 2: Thanks Sean. So we've got a bunch of emails about

1653
01:15:39,418 --> 01:15:42,418
Speaker 2: this because everybody is watching I'm sure the college football

1654
01:15:42,418 --> 01:15:45,217
Speaker 2: playoff games yesterday. David and Madrid, who is a regular listener,

1655
01:15:45,817 --> 01:15:47,178
Speaker 2: asked about this as well.

1656
01:15:47,258 --> 01:15:49,298
Speaker 3: When if I just say to his first point real quick, YEP,

1657
01:15:49,617 --> 01:15:51,857
Speaker 3: that is another value of Joe Milton playing, you find

1658
01:15:51,857 --> 01:15:54,377
Speaker 3: out if you need a backup quarterback this offseason. Yeah,

1659
01:15:54,418 --> 01:15:57,177
Speaker 3: like with Cole strains, check another box before the offseason starts.

1660
01:15:57,258 --> 01:16:02,698
Speaker 2: Agreed, I'm for Joe Milton getting some time in this game. Uh,

1661
01:16:02,937 --> 01:16:05,378
Speaker 2: David here says, you know, so we do have a

1662
01:16:05,418 --> 01:16:06,338
Speaker 2: little bit of draft news.

1663
01:16:06,497 --> 01:16:09,418
Speaker 3: Okay, Jalen Milroe has officially declared. Oh geez, so there's

1664
01:16:09,458 --> 01:16:11,897
Speaker 3: another quarterback on the board. I might have gone back

1665
01:16:11,937 --> 01:16:14,697
Speaker 3: if I were him after that game this week. But

1666
01:16:14,897 --> 01:16:18,177
Speaker 3: Evan wanted Alabama in the playoffs, so maybe he feels differently, but.

1667
01:16:18,378 --> 01:16:19,937
Speaker 2: I still feel the same way. I still would have

1668
01:16:19,937 --> 01:16:23,177
Speaker 2: taken Alabama. They got a house by Michigan. Michigan.

1669
01:16:23,298 --> 01:16:25,817
Speaker 3: They didn't call home up Vanderbilt. They didn't care about

1670
01:16:25,857 --> 01:16:27,577
Speaker 3: the game, cared enough to play everybody.

1671
01:16:27,577 --> 01:16:30,017
Speaker 2: Michigan didn't. Michigan played their backups. They weren't trying.

1672
01:16:31,657 --> 01:16:34,218
Speaker 3: Jayle should have been trying to be going to the draft.

1673
01:16:34,178 --> 01:16:36,817
Speaker 2: Just to just just to poke them, just to poke them.

1674
01:16:37,018 --> 01:16:39,697
Speaker 2: So David and Madrid at calling in about the twenty

1675
01:16:39,737 --> 01:16:42,777
Speaker 2: twenty seven draft as well, which is just I love

1676
01:16:42,817 --> 01:16:45,617
Speaker 2: that our listeners are play ball with us on these

1677
01:16:45,657 --> 01:16:49,097
Speaker 2: things and we actually talk about three drafts, from which

1678
01:16:49,138 --> 01:16:49,697
Speaker 2: is is great.

1679
01:16:49,897 --> 01:16:54,537
Speaker 3: You know as much as anybody, how giddy Patriots fans

1680
01:16:54,577 --> 01:16:57,177
Speaker 3: get about elite wide receiver prospects. There was a need

1681
01:16:57,218 --> 01:17:00,418
Speaker 3: for a quarterback last year. There were three franchise quarterbacks

1682
01:17:00,418 --> 01:17:02,777
Speaker 3: on the board, and you still had a large segment

1683
01:17:02,777 --> 01:17:05,897
Speaker 3: of the fan base. They just want that receiver already

1684
01:17:05,937 --> 01:17:08,458
Speaker 3: because it's been twenty or however long. Ranny Rady Moss

1685
01:17:08,458 --> 01:17:12,577
Speaker 3: was right by the way twenty years. Marvin Harrison Bill

1686
01:17:12,697 --> 01:17:16,418
Speaker 3: this generational. I'm not saying that was incorrect. Jeremiah Smith's

1687
01:17:16,418 --> 01:17:17,138
Speaker 3: already better than you.

1688
01:17:17,258 --> 01:17:20,657
Speaker 2: Okay, So if for those that don't know, because some

1689
01:17:20,697 --> 01:17:23,657
Speaker 2: people aren't paying a twenty to the twenty twenty seven draft,

1690
01:17:23,657 --> 01:17:26,018
Speaker 2: I don't think those people are watching the show. Jeremiah

1691
01:17:26,058 --> 01:17:28,937
Speaker 2: Smith on Ohio State, who's a true freshman nineteen year

1692
01:17:28,978 --> 01:17:32,577
Speaker 2: old from Miami area somehow got out of the state

1693
01:17:32,617 --> 01:17:35,338
Speaker 2: of Florida and went up to Ohio State. It's Ohio State,

1694
01:17:36,058 --> 01:17:40,737
Speaker 2: Bryan Hartline and Jeremiah Smith. I was trying to I

1695
01:17:40,777 --> 01:17:44,977
Speaker 2: looked this up actually last night, trying to rack my brain.

1696
01:17:46,138 --> 01:17:48,537
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith, I don't think it's hyperbole to say is

1697
01:17:48,577 --> 01:17:50,497
Speaker 2: the best true freshman receiver that's ever lived.

1698
01:17:50,937 --> 01:17:52,697
Speaker 3: He is the I'm trying to find who the first

1699
01:17:52,697 --> 01:17:56,618
Speaker 3: too were. Jeremiah Smith is the third highest ranked recruit

1700
01:17:57,098 --> 01:17:59,338
Speaker 3: in the history of twenty four to seven. And I

1701
01:17:59,378 --> 01:18:01,218
Speaker 3: can't remember who the other two players are. I know

1702
01:18:01,298 --> 01:18:02,817
Speaker 3: one of them is like on track to be an

1703
01:18:02,897 --> 01:18:05,058
Speaker 3: NFL All of Famer and the other barely made it

1704
01:18:05,058 --> 01:18:05,657
Speaker 3: in the NFL.

1705
01:18:05,697 --> 01:18:09,017
Speaker 2: But he is rare, rare.

1706
01:18:10,058 --> 01:18:12,058
Speaker 3: Remember last year he was saying Harrison was rare and

1707
01:18:12,098 --> 01:18:14,177
Speaker 3: I was knocking it down. Everybody's saying these other guys.

1708
01:18:14,817 --> 01:18:18,097
Speaker 3: I don't like to use generational Jeremiah Smith is why

1709
01:18:18,138 --> 01:18:20,577
Speaker 3: because I need a proper way to talk about Jeremiah Smith.

1710
01:18:20,817 --> 01:18:23,857
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith is different. If Jeremiah Smith was in the

1711
01:18:23,937 --> 01:18:27,737
Speaker 3: NFL two day Evan at eighteen years old, he'd be

1712
01:18:27,737 --> 01:18:28,537
Speaker 3: a top ten receiver.

1713
01:18:29,058 --> 01:18:31,098
Speaker 2: He would already be the best receiver on Patriots by

1714
01:18:31,098 --> 01:18:31,737
Speaker 2: a country mile.

1715
01:18:31,897 --> 01:18:34,617
Speaker 3: In the NFL today, how many receivers are there better

1716
01:18:34,657 --> 01:18:36,777
Speaker 3: than eighteen year old version Jeremiah Smith.

1717
01:18:38,497 --> 01:18:40,577
Speaker 2: I think he's probably a top fifteen receiver.

1718
01:18:40,978 --> 01:18:43,418
Speaker 3: So the way he was described to me by somebody

1719
01:18:43,458 --> 01:18:47,577
Speaker 3: before the season started, because I'm looking at these things, Wow,

1720
01:18:47,577 --> 01:18:50,657
Speaker 3: who's this recruit? Ohio State cut. The way he was

1721
01:18:50,697 --> 01:18:53,338
Speaker 3: described to me was, you know how everybody drooled about

1722
01:18:53,338 --> 01:18:56,937
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. Imagine if Harrison Junior was a slightly

1723
01:18:56,978 --> 01:18:59,057
Speaker 3: better route runner and ran a four four forty.

1724
01:18:59,458 --> 01:19:03,057
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's been a lot of a lot of

1725
01:19:03,338 --> 01:19:07,617
Speaker 2: Julio comparisons because they have similar measurables like six three

1726
01:19:07,697 --> 01:19:10,258
Speaker 2: two fifteen. Also, let's just throw it out there, it's

1727
01:19:10,298 --> 01:19:12,617
Speaker 2: insane that Jeremiah Smith at nineteen years old is six

1728
01:19:12,737 --> 01:19:16,178
Speaker 2: three two fifteen. Like, that's absolutely stupid and absurd. I

1729
01:19:16,218 --> 01:19:19,058
Speaker 2: don't know what he was fed as a child, but

1730
01:19:19,178 --> 01:19:21,737
Speaker 2: it certainly wasn't the same food I was eating. I

1731
01:19:21,737 --> 01:19:24,338
Speaker 2: would also just say that I don't I correct me.

1732
01:19:24,537 --> 01:19:28,737
Speaker 3: He is the highest rated recruit since twenty for twenty

1733
01:19:28,777 --> 01:19:30,897
Speaker 3: four to seven, So he wasn't the second and highest

1734
01:19:30,897 --> 01:19:32,138
Speaker 3: overall was a couple guys ahead of them.

1735
01:19:32,178 --> 01:19:35,378
Speaker 2: But I looked at some of the other really great

1736
01:19:35,697 --> 01:19:39,537
Speaker 2: true freshman seasons of yesteryear. The thing is is that

1737
01:19:39,657 --> 01:19:43,298
Speaker 2: as you would, you know, could attest to, yeah, true

1738
01:19:43,298 --> 01:19:46,697
Speaker 2: freshmen didn't play like they do now, right, Like you know,

1739
01:19:46,697 --> 01:19:49,497
Speaker 2: they weren't giving the opportunities. So like even like true

1740
01:19:49,497 --> 01:19:52,657
Speaker 2: freshman Julio Jones didn't play a ton right out of

1741
01:19:52,697 --> 01:19:55,737
Speaker 2: the gate at Alabama. Right, so those stats like Chris

1742
01:19:55,737 --> 01:19:58,458
Speaker 2: Carter had like the freshman record for like the longest time,

1743
01:19:58,497 --> 01:20:00,497
Speaker 2: it was like five hundred yards. Yeah, right, So this

1744
01:20:01,018 --> 01:20:04,017
Speaker 2: it's changed, The landscape has changed about playing these guys

1745
01:20:04,058 --> 01:20:07,017
Speaker 2: as early as they are. You know, Saban historically never

1746
01:20:07,018 --> 01:20:10,097
Speaker 2: played freshman. Even Julio Jones had to earn playing time

1747
01:20:10,098 --> 01:20:13,138
Speaker 2: and Saban's system, So it's not apples to apples, is

1748
01:20:13,138 --> 01:20:15,497
Speaker 2: my point, comparing him to guys like that. Jamar Chase's

1749
01:20:15,537 --> 01:20:19,098
Speaker 2: breakout season was his sophomore season, so he wasn't a

1750
01:20:19,098 --> 01:20:23,857
Speaker 2: breakout freshman. It's pretty hard to find a breakout true

1751
01:20:23,857 --> 01:20:27,617
Speaker 2: freshman on the level of Jeremiah Smith. You were teasing

1752
01:20:27,657 --> 01:20:32,857
Speaker 2: me earlier. He's perfect. He's he's literally perfect. He's six

1753
01:20:32,897 --> 01:20:36,218
Speaker 2: foot three something, two hundred and fifteen pounds, four to

1754
01:20:36,258 --> 01:20:38,298
Speaker 2: four or below. I think he might be in the

1755
01:20:38,298 --> 01:20:40,977
Speaker 2: fourth sie so well. He was running. He ran a

1756
01:20:41,018 --> 01:20:46,258
Speaker 2: four to four in high school last year. Fantastic fastle

1757
01:20:46,338 --> 01:20:49,537
Speaker 2: he wins at the catch point, his release, he can stack,

1758
01:20:49,617 --> 01:20:51,617
Speaker 2: he can release off the line of scrimmage against press

1759
01:20:51,657 --> 01:20:56,497
Speaker 2: man coverage. He's fantastic. He's unbelievable. Like I now do

1760
01:20:56,617 --> 01:20:59,177
Speaker 2: I think you can plan ahead to the twenty twenty

1761
01:20:59,218 --> 01:21:01,138
Speaker 2: seven draft to put yourself in a position to the

1762
01:21:01,178 --> 01:21:03,537
Speaker 2: draft if you start trading down first round picks. Maybe,

1763
01:21:03,617 --> 01:21:06,017
Speaker 2: I guess and theory, I don't know, that's some that's

1764
01:21:06,018 --> 01:21:08,098
Speaker 2: some balls to like look that far ahead with your

1765
01:21:08,178 --> 01:21:10,857
Speaker 2: job security where it's at right now for the people

1766
01:21:10,897 --> 01:21:13,697
Speaker 2: in this building, but like in general, yeah, I mean, look,

1767
01:21:13,737 --> 01:21:16,777
Speaker 2: he's he's the person that he reminds me of. He's

1768
01:21:16,777 --> 01:21:19,817
Speaker 2: a little bigger than Jamar, but he moves a lot

1769
01:21:19,857 --> 01:21:24,017
Speaker 2: to me like Jamar Chase, but is definitely more in

1770
01:21:24,218 --> 01:21:27,458
Speaker 2: like the longer build. I like Jamar Chase. I want

1771
01:21:27,458 --> 01:21:30,257
Speaker 2: to day is like six one six two. So Jeremiah

1772
01:21:30,258 --> 01:21:32,897
Speaker 2: Smith a little bit bigger, but when I watch him

1773
01:21:32,897 --> 01:21:35,258
Speaker 2: on film, he moves in and wins a lot.

1774
01:21:35,817 --> 01:21:37,737
Speaker 3: I'm on the Julio tray, I really am.

1775
01:21:37,777 --> 01:21:40,777
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that. I'm yeah. The other thing

1776
01:21:40,897 --> 01:21:42,697
Speaker 2: is he's he is. I just have a tough time,

1777
01:21:42,897 --> 01:21:45,017
Speaker 2: and I mean his great as tomorrow is I have

1778
01:21:45,058 --> 01:21:46,857
Speaker 2: such a tough time comparing guys to Julio.

1779
01:21:46,978 --> 01:21:49,218
Speaker 3: On top of everything you just said, the one thing

1780
01:21:49,218 --> 01:21:51,458
Speaker 3: that stands out to me watching him. His hands are

1781
01:21:51,537 --> 01:21:54,338
Speaker 3: so big and so strong, it allows him to make

1782
01:21:54,338 --> 01:21:56,258
Speaker 3: some absurd catches. You want the list of guys who

1783
01:21:56,258 --> 01:22:00,057
Speaker 3: are higher rated recruits than Jeremiah Smith ever since two thousand,

1784
01:22:00,817 --> 01:22:02,937
Speaker 3: So the highest rated high school recruit of all time

1785
01:22:03,258 --> 01:22:07,857
Speaker 3: is Davian Clowney. Yeah, he freak Cyrus Kwan Joe. He

1786
01:22:07,897 --> 01:22:09,617
Speaker 3: was a bust at Alabama. He got hurt a bunch,

1787
01:22:10,138 --> 01:22:14,097
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, Brian Berzy, Bryce Young, Walker Little,

1788
01:22:14,577 --> 01:22:14,897
Speaker 3: that's it.

1789
01:22:14,937 --> 01:22:16,057
Speaker 2: Those are some interesting ones.

1790
01:22:16,218 --> 01:22:18,058
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's tied with Fournette.

1791
01:22:18,138 --> 01:22:22,857
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's incredible. I said the thing about to Florida.

1792
01:22:23,178 --> 01:22:27,218
Speaker 2: How that guy he grew up in Miami. Yeah, get

1793
01:22:27,218 --> 01:22:29,537
Speaker 2: out of the state of Florida. One nil two.

1794
01:22:29,657 --> 01:22:32,257
Speaker 3: Ohio State has this poll where if you're an elite

1795
01:22:32,298 --> 01:22:34,977
Speaker 3: receiver and you want to maximize we do you go play.

1796
01:22:34,817 --> 01:22:37,338
Speaker 2: For Brian Highy. He's the only recruit so high.

1797
01:22:37,378 --> 01:22:40,338
Speaker 3: He's the only recruit twenty four to seven, only wide

1798
01:22:40,378 --> 01:22:44,737
Speaker 3: receiver recruit that's ever gotten six stars. So Doriel Beckham,

1799
01:22:44,897 --> 01:22:49,138
Speaker 3: Doyl Green. Beckham was just below, Julio Jones was just below.

1800
01:22:49,737 --> 01:22:54,378
Speaker 2: But he's he's fantastic. I mean, I he's fantastic. I

1801
01:22:54,378 --> 01:22:55,897
Speaker 2: have one more thought on it, but I want to

1802
01:22:55,897 --> 01:22:57,418
Speaker 2: say it. No, what is it? No? No, no, I

1803
01:22:57,458 --> 01:22:57,897
Speaker 2: want to say it.

1804
01:22:57,937 --> 01:22:59,378
Speaker 3: Are we gonna get like in this show or for

1805
01:22:59,418 --> 01:22:59,897
Speaker 3: twenty twenty?

1806
01:23:00,138 --> 01:23:02,458
Speaker 2: No, No, in this show. It's just relevant to something else,

1807
01:23:02,697 --> 01:23:05,378
Speaker 2: all right, Jesse? Is he in the car? Or is

1808
01:23:05,418 --> 01:23:08,817
Speaker 2: he in Carolina? He's in the car. Jesse's in the car.

1809
01:23:08,897 --> 01:23:11,537
Speaker 2: What's up? Jesse was in the car.

1810
01:23:12,378 --> 01:23:15,057
Speaker 5: I've been listening for a while, so now here awesome,

1811
01:23:15,098 --> 01:23:19,218
Speaker 5: Thank you. One thing that I wanted to point out, Evan,

1812
01:23:19,258 --> 01:23:21,857
Speaker 5: that I don't know that you're fully taking into account.

1813
01:23:21,937 --> 01:23:24,097
Speaker 5: So it's gonna kind of support Alex's point of view.

1814
01:23:24,617 --> 01:23:28,258
Speaker 5: But on these NFL execs, we're looking at the QB

1815
01:23:28,418 --> 01:23:29,097
Speaker 5: class in.

1816
01:23:29,058 --> 01:23:32,577
Speaker 8: Two year increments, two cycles increments. So what is ahead

1817
01:23:33,138 --> 01:23:36,538
Speaker 8: if you're one of these QB and needy teams Garrett Nussmeyer,

1818
01:23:37,138 --> 01:23:41,537
Speaker 8: Drew Aller and John Matteir Right, I think some of

1819
01:23:41,537 --> 01:23:43,617
Speaker 8: those teams are gonna get jumpy looking ahead, like you

1820
01:23:43,617 --> 01:23:45,657
Speaker 8: can't go to twenty twenty seven as we're talking about

1821
01:23:45,657 --> 01:23:48,418
Speaker 8: it for arch Manning, So I think there will be

1822
01:23:48,497 --> 01:23:52,897
Speaker 8: a desire to get their most highly ranked, whether it's

1823
01:23:52,937 --> 01:23:56,137
Speaker 8: ward for shador standers to move up for those picks,

1824
01:23:56,178 --> 01:23:58,937
Speaker 8: because looking ahead, there's not like it's the class of

1825
01:23:58,978 --> 01:24:01,458
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four where you see guys who are talented

1826
01:24:01,537 --> 01:24:04,057
Speaker 8: and you could possibly wait. If you need your quarterback now,

1827
01:24:04,178 --> 01:24:05,577
Speaker 8: you better get him now because he might not be

1828
01:24:05,657 --> 01:24:09,057
Speaker 8: there next year. Question for you guys talking about trading

1829
01:24:09,098 --> 01:24:12,017
Speaker 8: back into the first round if you trade down, thoughts

1830
01:24:12,178 --> 01:24:16,737
Speaker 8: on Tyler Warren as a rock solid difference maker as.

1831
01:24:16,577 --> 01:24:17,378
Speaker 10: A pass catcher.

1832
01:24:17,497 --> 01:24:19,537
Speaker 2: Good cause we real quick on the quarterback line.

1833
01:24:19,537 --> 01:24:23,097
Speaker 3: So arch Manning is eligible next year, Yeah, assuming yours

1834
01:24:23,138 --> 01:24:26,897
Speaker 3: goes to school, he'll start. But he's right after arch

1835
01:24:26,978 --> 01:24:30,057
Speaker 3: Manning the projection right now, And Drew Aller's a wild

1836
01:24:30,058 --> 01:24:31,617
Speaker 3: card here. I think Dre Allen might come out this

1837
01:24:31,737 --> 01:24:36,378
Speaker 3: year after arch Manning next year's quarterback class. So I

1838
01:24:36,378 --> 01:24:38,737
Speaker 3: said before like everybody's treating this year like it's twenty

1839
01:24:38,777 --> 01:24:41,537
Speaker 3: twenty two, when it's not. If arch Manning doesn't come

1840
01:24:41,537 --> 01:24:45,017
Speaker 3: out as junior, next year's class looks like twenty twenty two.

1841
01:24:45,298 --> 01:24:47,617
Speaker 3: If you want a quarterback, get him now because you're

1842
01:24:47,657 --> 01:24:50,137
Speaker 3: probably not gonna have a job then that twenty twenty

1843
01:24:50,178 --> 01:24:52,218
Speaker 3: seven class rules. That's like, you know how much I

1844
01:24:52,218 --> 01:24:55,258
Speaker 3: love DJ Loway and those guys, are you still gonna

1845
01:24:55,298 --> 01:24:56,537
Speaker 3: have a job if you wait that long?

1846
01:24:56,657 --> 01:24:58,617
Speaker 2: Okay? So here's my take on the quarterbacks. And this

1847
01:24:58,697 --> 01:25:01,258
Speaker 2: is just like a big picture take that I have. Yeah,

1848
01:25:02,258 --> 01:25:07,857
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's gonna be more teams that are

1849
01:25:07,897 --> 01:25:11,177
Speaker 2: going to look at the Seattle Seahawks with Gino Smith,

1850
01:25:11,737 --> 01:25:15,257
Speaker 2: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Baker Mayfield, the Minnesota Vikings

1851
01:25:15,298 --> 01:25:18,458
Speaker 2: with Sam Darnold, and they're going to say even like

1852
01:25:18,497 --> 01:25:21,137
Speaker 2: to a lesser extent, but I still think it applies

1853
01:25:21,298 --> 01:25:24,497
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions with Jared Goff and are there gonna

1854
01:25:24,497 --> 01:25:28,617
Speaker 2: look at it and say we could do something like

1855
01:25:28,697 --> 01:25:33,057
Speaker 2: that instead of over rafting or trading a haul and

1856
01:25:33,178 --> 01:25:36,697
Speaker 2: over drafting YadA, YadA, YadA. I just wonder if those

1857
01:25:36,697 --> 01:25:41,657
Speaker 2: success stories change it all how the landscape is viewed

1858
01:25:41,777 --> 01:25:47,218
Speaker 2: for like quote unquote bus in the first round, and

1859
01:25:47,378 --> 01:25:50,177
Speaker 2: how does that impact this whole market? Like let's say,

1860
01:25:50,978 --> 01:25:53,697
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have a great example I guess

1861
01:25:53,737 --> 01:25:55,137
Speaker 2: off the top of my head of like who would

1862
01:25:55,178 --> 01:25:58,218
Speaker 2: move in this in that type of scenario, But I

1863
01:25:58,298 --> 01:26:01,258
Speaker 2: just would I would look at Donald in particular as

1864
01:26:01,298 --> 01:26:04,258
Speaker 2: like a free agent, they obviously drafted JJ in the

1865
01:26:04,298 --> 01:26:07,097
Speaker 2: first round. Like it's probably gonna be JJ McCarthy's team

1866
01:26:07,138 --> 01:26:09,338
Speaker 2: at some point unless Donald like wins an MVP next

1867
01:26:09,418 --> 01:26:12,218
Speaker 2: year or something like that. So what you know, what

1868
01:26:12,378 --> 01:26:15,258
Speaker 2: team are the Giants for example, with Brian Dable, who

1869
01:26:15,298 --> 01:26:17,737
Speaker 2: they know it does well with quarterbacks? Like would they

1870
01:26:17,897 --> 01:26:22,777
Speaker 2: just pay Donald like a bridgy franchise quarterback deal instead

1871
01:26:23,138 --> 01:26:25,378
Speaker 2: and then buy themselves some time to draft.

1872
01:26:25,298 --> 01:26:27,378
Speaker 3: Donald's an interesting one. I think one of these quarterback

1873
01:26:27,378 --> 01:26:29,298
Speaker 3: teams will end up with Donald McCarthy. By the way,

1874
01:26:29,298 --> 01:26:31,897
Speaker 3: if Viking should trade JJ McCarthy, that's how I feel,

1875
01:26:32,218 --> 01:26:38,697
Speaker 3: maybe a surprise. But for every Geno Smith, how many

1876
01:26:38,737 --> 01:26:42,977
Speaker 3: times are you gonna get Kirk Cousins or Aaron Rodgers.

1877
01:26:42,978 --> 01:26:47,017
Speaker 3: But the difference be Derek Carr Russell Wilson.

1878
01:26:47,138 --> 01:26:50,737
Speaker 2: The difference between all those examples, though, is their age obviously, right,

1879
01:26:50,817 --> 01:26:54,418
Speaker 2: Like I'm talking about Derek Carr. Derek Carr is still

1880
01:26:54,577 --> 01:26:57,338
Speaker 2: older than like Baker was. Like Gino is a good

1881
01:26:57,338 --> 01:26:59,897
Speaker 2: comp for those guys, I suppose, but like the Donald

1882
01:26:59,978 --> 01:27:04,057
Speaker 2: Baker comp is darnold contract, So Donald is legit. Donald.

1883
01:27:04,058 --> 01:27:05,298
Speaker 2: The Jets quit on too, early.

1884
01:27:05,338 --> 01:27:07,857
Speaker 3: I think although that that situation in Minnesota is fantastic.

1885
01:27:08,058 --> 01:27:10,938
Speaker 3: Who's okay, so that's one team, Who's next.

1886
01:27:12,378 --> 01:27:14,617
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm looking at it because I'm trying to

1887
01:27:14,617 --> 01:27:17,058
Speaker 2: figure out like to make my take hold, I have

1888
01:27:17,098 --> 01:27:18,577
Speaker 2: to find right have my point.

1889
01:27:18,617 --> 01:27:21,298
Speaker 3: I don't think that that maybe works for one team.

1890
01:27:21,458 --> 01:27:24,857
Speaker 3: There's five or six quarterback needy teams and that's just

1891
01:27:24,897 --> 01:27:26,258
Speaker 3: at the top of the draft. You also have to

1892
01:27:26,258 --> 01:27:29,298
Speaker 3: consider the Seahawks may want a quarterback, the Steelers may

1893
01:27:29,338 --> 01:27:32,058
Speaker 3: want a quarterback. Teams like die. So now, if you

1894
01:27:32,098 --> 01:27:33,777
Speaker 3: want to go there enough, if you want to like

1895
01:27:33,817 --> 01:27:36,697
Speaker 3: the group of guys you're talking about here, Evan, are

1896
01:27:37,058 --> 01:27:39,697
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty one class. You're talking about Mac Jones,

1897
01:27:39,777 --> 01:27:42,137
Speaker 3: you're talking about Justin Fields, you're talking about Zach Wilson.

1898
01:27:42,418 --> 01:27:46,378
Speaker 3: That's what you're talking about. Are you really gonna risk put?

1899
01:27:47,018 --> 01:27:49,418
Speaker 3: Would you rather go that route, especially some of these

1900
01:27:49,458 --> 01:27:51,657
Speaker 3: teams that don't have the talent that the Detroit Lions do.

1901
01:27:52,378 --> 01:27:55,218
Speaker 3: And the other thing is, and we know this all

1902
01:27:55,218 --> 01:27:57,298
Speaker 3: too well because of what just happened here in New England.

1903
01:27:57,657 --> 01:28:01,537
Speaker 3: You signed Sam Darnold. That changes the football team you

1904
01:28:01,657 --> 01:28:04,977
Speaker 3: draft sder Sanders in the top five. You draft cam

1905
01:28:05,058 --> 01:28:08,657
Speaker 3: Ward in the top five, that changes the organization, That

1906
01:28:08,777 --> 01:28:13,217
Speaker 3: changes the franchise. You're not gonna get the buzz. Maybe

1907
01:28:13,298 --> 01:28:16,298
Speaker 3: Donald again, but who's that next guy? Who really is

1908
01:28:16,338 --> 01:28:19,497
Speaker 3: the next veteran name. I just you're not gonna get

1909
01:28:19,497 --> 01:28:23,937
Speaker 3: the organizational pop signing a veteran that you do. And

1910
01:28:24,218 --> 01:28:26,497
Speaker 3: the if you have a high pick, if you're scheduled

1911
01:28:26,497 --> 01:28:28,418
Speaker 3: to pick in the top five to sixty seven, as

1912
01:28:28,418 --> 01:28:30,777
Speaker 3: we talked about last year, the owner is an involved

1913
01:28:30,817 --> 01:28:32,937
Speaker 3: to an extent at that point, and you now have

1914
01:28:33,018 --> 01:28:35,378
Speaker 3: to sell the owner on well, look at what all

1915
01:28:35,418 --> 01:28:38,657
Speaker 3: these teams last year with their rookie quarterbacks did.

1916
01:28:38,737 --> 01:28:40,777
Speaker 2: Okay, but you could also say look at look at

1917
01:28:40,777 --> 01:28:43,258
Speaker 2: the Vikings, like the Vikings are going to potentially be

1918
01:28:43,298 --> 01:28:44,577
Speaker 2: the number one seed in the playoff.

1919
01:28:45,178 --> 01:28:48,258
Speaker 3: But that was a slow burn, that was not I just.

1920
01:28:48,218 --> 01:28:50,338
Speaker 2: Look at it, and I think you didn't have people.

1921
01:28:50,138 --> 01:28:52,177
Speaker 3: Line to buy Sam Donald Jerseys.

1922
01:28:52,218 --> 01:28:53,857
Speaker 2: I know, but we have a fifty to fifty hit

1923
01:28:53,978 --> 01:28:56,537
Speaker 2: rate with these quarterbacks in the first round. For every

1924
01:28:56,697 --> 01:28:59,737
Speaker 2: for every Jaden Daniels and Drake May and Bo Nicks,

1925
01:28:59,857 --> 01:29:02,617
Speaker 2: there is a you know we know all of them

1926
01:29:02,697 --> 01:29:04,458
Speaker 2: right then, you know that there's there's a bust, right,

1927
01:29:04,497 --> 01:29:07,137
Speaker 2: there's a Zach Wilson, there's you know, there's a Mac Jones.

1928
01:29:07,178 --> 01:29:09,097
Speaker 2: Like this could go either way in the draft.

1929
01:29:09,338 --> 01:29:12,418
Speaker 3: I know your plan is to sign Zach Wilson or

1930
01:29:12,418 --> 01:29:13,378
Speaker 3: mac Jones instead.

1931
01:29:13,697 --> 01:29:17,577
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I hear you do different. That's one team one.

1932
01:29:17,857 --> 01:29:19,697
Speaker 2: I get it. There's a difference between. There's not like

1933
01:29:19,737 --> 01:29:24,177
Speaker 2: a great pivot. I would say Donald to the Giants though,

1934
01:29:24,497 --> 01:29:28,378
Speaker 2: to me just feels really uh doable, Like I feel

1935
01:29:28,418 --> 01:29:31,497
Speaker 2: like if if Dable stays, so you feel good about

1936
01:29:31,497 --> 01:29:33,937
Speaker 2: the development and the play calling and all that, and

1937
01:29:33,978 --> 01:29:36,177
Speaker 2: the offensive side of the ball. You have the league

1938
01:29:36,178 --> 01:29:39,458
Speaker 2: neighbors for him, like you obviously use the number two

1939
01:29:39,497 --> 01:29:41,977
Speaker 2: overall pick or whatever pick they end up with, four two,

1940
01:29:42,018 --> 01:29:46,218
Speaker 2: whatever you draft, you know, help to help him out

1941
01:29:46,258 --> 01:29:48,577
Speaker 2: even more. You know, maybe that's a tech McMillan team,

1942
01:29:48,617 --> 01:29:50,257
Speaker 2: maybe that's a tackle team. Whatever.

1943
01:29:50,418 --> 01:29:52,937
Speaker 3: So now the Patriots called Tennessee Titans, or the Cleveland

1944
01:29:52,937 --> 01:29:56,097
Speaker 3: Browns or the Las Vegas Raiders. Sure you didn't get

1945
01:29:56,138 --> 01:29:57,977
Speaker 3: who did not get Sam Donald?

1946
01:29:58,098 --> 01:30:00,537
Speaker 2: Right? But Sam Donald's and now those teams are more

1947
01:30:00,577 --> 01:30:03,378
Speaker 2: desperate because there's one guy off the Okay, let me

1948
01:30:03,418 --> 01:30:05,657
Speaker 2: give you another name, Okay, because I just to have fun.

1949
01:30:06,458 --> 01:30:11,178
Speaker 2: Rock Purty well does his elbow work? Assume it works.

1950
01:30:13,138 --> 01:30:16,058
Speaker 3: All right? Would you rarely rather have Brock Purty than

1951
01:30:16,058 --> 01:30:17,298
Speaker 3: Shur Sanders.

1952
01:30:17,418 --> 01:30:20,378
Speaker 2: Yes, you of all people would yes, because at least

1953
01:30:20,617 --> 01:30:23,058
Speaker 2: at least I have that Brock Party can play in

1954
01:30:23,058 --> 01:30:23,338
Speaker 2: the line.

1955
01:30:23,497 --> 01:30:25,777
Speaker 3: I saw enough of what Brock Party looks like this

1956
01:30:25,857 --> 01:30:27,418
Speaker 3: year without the monstars around him.

1957
01:30:27,458 --> 01:30:29,178
Speaker 2: On offense, he actually I thought he played better this

1958
01:30:29,258 --> 01:30:30,977
Speaker 2: year than he did last year. I don't think so.

1959
01:30:31,098 --> 01:30:32,418
Speaker 2: I think you did. I think last year he was

1960
01:30:32,458 --> 01:30:35,458
Speaker 2: just surrounded by freaking monstars. Like you just said, this

1961
01:30:35,577 --> 01:30:37,458
Speaker 2: year he actually had to elevate a little bit and

1962
01:30:37,458 --> 01:30:40,218
Speaker 2: actually think he played better. How many games they went? Yeah,

1963
01:30:40,258 --> 01:30:42,057
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they won a ton, but I actually

1964
01:30:42,098 --> 01:30:43,977
Speaker 2: thought that his film and his play was better.

1965
01:30:44,058 --> 01:30:45,937
Speaker 3: So and again, now you have to sell the owner on.

1966
01:30:46,338 --> 01:30:48,338
Speaker 3: You're gonna get people line up around the block for

1967
01:30:48,418 --> 01:30:51,217
Speaker 3: Brock Purty jerseys in Las Vegas.

1968
01:30:52,178 --> 01:30:56,497
Speaker 2: The Raiders may be able to sell those better off

1969
01:30:56,537 --> 01:30:58,737
Speaker 2: with that. Like I just again, I'm just not high

1970
01:30:58,777 --> 01:31:01,497
Speaker 2: on the quarterback class. You're building a brand new stadium

1971
01:31:01,497 --> 01:31:03,937
Speaker 2: in Tennessee. Oh my god, you're building that to put

1972
01:31:04,058 --> 01:31:06,737
Speaker 2: put Brock Party in the middle of it. Yeah, you

1973
01:31:06,777 --> 01:31:10,178
Speaker 2: can as opposed to went to a super Bowl and

1974
01:31:10,897 --> 01:31:13,057
Speaker 2: has been pretty good. Oh so now we're giving brock

1975
01:31:13,058 --> 01:31:16,937
Speaker 2: Purty credit for that super Bowl because not given Brock

1976
01:31:16,978 --> 01:31:18,697
Speaker 2: Party the reason why I brought out up. All right,

1977
01:31:18,777 --> 01:31:21,018
Speaker 2: So then you know who's a free agent, Jimmy Garoppolo. No,

1978
01:31:21,138 --> 01:31:23,257
Speaker 2: come on. The reason why I brought up brock Party

1979
01:31:23,657 --> 01:31:25,777
Speaker 2: is because one, I just wanted to bring up Brock

1980
01:31:25,777 --> 01:31:28,217
Speaker 2: Party because I knew it would be funny. But two,

1981
01:31:29,098 --> 01:31:32,017
Speaker 2: you and I both know that there's a chance that

1982
01:31:32,098 --> 01:31:34,737
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan looks at brock Purty and says, you want

1983
01:31:34,777 --> 01:31:35,617
Speaker 2: me to pay you how much?

1984
01:31:35,897 --> 01:31:38,378
Speaker 3: You know, the Brock Party might be gone. That's very real,

1985
01:31:38,458 --> 01:31:40,937
Speaker 3: all right. I still he's not gonna move on from

1986
01:31:40,937 --> 01:31:42,418
Speaker 3: Brock Party this year, still has one more year in

1987
01:31:42,458 --> 01:31:42,937
Speaker 3: his contract.

1988
01:31:43,098 --> 01:31:45,977
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wants he needs that extension, and the Niners,

1989
01:31:46,018 --> 01:31:47,617
Speaker 2: I am not sold, are going to give him that.

1990
01:31:47,777 --> 01:31:49,378
Speaker 3: I think there's a real chance he ends up being

1991
01:31:49,418 --> 01:31:50,897
Speaker 3: a lame duck starting quarterback for them.

1992
01:31:51,138 --> 01:31:53,217
Speaker 2: It could happened, and he could get like a Daniel

1993
01:31:53,298 --> 01:31:56,137
Speaker 2: Jones type extension where it's like really a two year deal.

1994
01:31:56,338 --> 01:31:59,138
Speaker 2: But it's disguised as like a four year you know, uh,

1995
01:31:59,497 --> 01:32:04,218
Speaker 2: mega quarterback. You're if that's what NFL teams want to do,

1996
01:32:04,258 --> 01:32:06,657
Speaker 2: that's what they want to do. But I'm just telling

1997
01:32:06,697 --> 01:32:09,258
Speaker 2: you that I feel like the reclamation project thing is

1998
01:32:09,258 --> 01:32:09,937
Speaker 2: in right now.

1999
01:32:10,058 --> 01:32:16,818
Speaker 3: It is, but there are not five serious reclamation quarterbacks Tennessee, Cleveland,

2000
01:32:16,978 --> 01:32:19,537
Speaker 3: the Giants, the Jets aren't gonna do a reclamation They

2001
01:32:19,617 --> 01:32:23,378
Speaker 3: just did that, the Raiders in the Saints. If you

2002
01:32:23,418 --> 01:32:26,657
Speaker 3: can give me five quarterbacks more that are a better

2003
01:32:26,697 --> 01:32:29,937
Speaker 3: option than Shouldur Sanders, I'll agree with your take.

2004
01:32:29,978 --> 01:32:32,058
Speaker 2: But should Sanders can only go to one team to

2005
01:32:32,617 --> 01:32:33,658
Speaker 2: do the Sam Donald.

2006
01:32:33,497 --> 01:32:35,098
Speaker 3: They trade, So the Patriots only need one team that

2007
01:32:35,138 --> 01:32:36,817
Speaker 3: they're not trading the pick to three different teams.

2008
01:32:36,897 --> 01:32:39,418
Speaker 2: No, but they need at least two teams to be

2009
01:32:39,458 --> 01:32:41,817
Speaker 2: interested in the pick. They only need one. They don't

2010
01:32:42,018 --> 01:32:45,218
Speaker 2: they need at least two as that's not how markets work.

2011
01:32:45,258 --> 01:32:50,138
Speaker 3: But tea, but you're not gonna if somebody wants if

2012
01:32:50,138 --> 01:32:52,697
Speaker 3: somebody views Sanders a franchise quarterback, they are going to

2013
01:32:52,737 --> 01:32:54,178
Speaker 3: trade up, right.

2014
01:32:54,378 --> 01:32:57,017
Speaker 2: You think that a team that no, like let's say

2015
01:32:57,098 --> 01:32:59,418
Speaker 2: it's a team that's at four or three or four

2016
01:32:59,497 --> 01:33:02,857
Speaker 2: or five and they know that. Yeah, they want Shador Sanders,

2017
01:33:02,897 --> 01:33:05,737
Speaker 2: but nobody else freaking does you think that they're gonna

2018
01:33:05,737 --> 01:33:08,058
Speaker 2: just trade a package to the Patriots.

2019
01:33:07,617 --> 01:33:09,817
Speaker 3: Just because because maybe some of these teams don't want

2020
01:33:09,817 --> 01:33:12,057
Speaker 3: Sanders at one, but they take them at three or four.

2021
01:33:13,218 --> 01:33:15,737
Speaker 2: Okay, but what if that team's already had, like well.

2022
01:33:16,098 --> 01:33:18,258
Speaker 3: The Cleveland Browns are a fascinating wild card.

2023
01:33:18,338 --> 01:33:21,897
Speaker 2: Somebody needs to say, Okay, this team is picking two.

2024
01:33:22,098 --> 01:33:25,737
Speaker 2: Tennessee is picking second overall and as a quarterback team,

2025
01:33:25,978 --> 01:33:29,178
Speaker 2: and will take Shador Sanders if if the Patriots don't

2026
01:33:29,178 --> 01:33:31,338
Speaker 2: trade out of that pick, and that's how you create

2027
01:33:31,378 --> 01:33:34,257
Speaker 2: the market, right you need but you need that to exist.

2028
01:33:34,338 --> 01:33:36,777
Speaker 2: Like if the Titans so again, Sam Darnold, then it

2029
01:33:36,777 --> 01:33:37,258
Speaker 2: doesn't work.

2030
01:33:37,258 --> 01:33:39,178
Speaker 3: So you only need one team plus the Titans. I

2031
01:33:39,178 --> 01:33:41,178
Speaker 3: don't think the Titans are going the veteran route. They

2032
01:33:41,298 --> 01:33:44,017
Speaker 3: they have not invested in that position seriously in a

2033
01:33:44,018 --> 01:33:44,497
Speaker 3: long time.

2034
01:33:44,577 --> 01:33:46,497
Speaker 2: Except the real guys. It didn't work.

2035
01:33:46,537 --> 01:33:48,298
Speaker 3: It clearly didn't work, and deep weren't happy with that

2036
01:33:48,338 --> 01:33:49,817
Speaker 3: pick at the time that they half measured it.

2037
01:33:50,458 --> 01:33:52,298
Speaker 2: Okay, let's well, no, you had a chance.

2038
01:33:52,298 --> 01:33:54,458
Speaker 3: Talk about you, guy, Tyler Warren there, Oh yeah, I

2039
01:33:54,777 --> 01:33:56,217
Speaker 3: do like Tyler Warren a lot.

2040
01:33:56,497 --> 01:34:00,577
Speaker 2: Here's my reservation with Tyler Tyler Warren, and I hate

2041
01:34:00,617 --> 01:34:02,058
Speaker 2: to hold this against him, but it's kind of like

2042
01:34:02,098 --> 01:34:05,497
Speaker 2: the tight end thing in general. To me, building an

2043
01:34:05,577 --> 01:34:09,097
Speaker 2: offense around a tight end is just different than building

2044
01:34:09,098 --> 01:34:12,017
Speaker 2: it around receivers, and you need that tight end to

2045
01:34:12,058 --> 01:34:15,098
Speaker 2: be Gronk Kelsey level. Good. Well, what if to make

2046
01:34:15,138 --> 01:34:18,017
Speaker 2: it T Higgins DK Metcalf kind of guy. Sure, if

2047
01:34:18,058 --> 01:34:20,258
Speaker 2: there's multiple pieces to this. So I know you were

2048
01:34:20,298 --> 01:34:20,817
Speaker 2: you were big.

2049
01:34:20,857 --> 01:34:24,977
Speaker 3: You were talking earlier about get TK metcalfevery you know,

2050
01:34:25,058 --> 01:34:27,617
Speaker 3: trade for DK Metcalf and then move up into the

2051
01:34:27,617 --> 01:34:29,697
Speaker 3: first or hope in the second that like in Mecha

2052
01:34:29,777 --> 01:34:32,378
Speaker 3: Buca falls you right, Yeah, could you do that playing

2053
01:34:32,378 --> 01:34:33,017
Speaker 3: with Tyler Warren?

2054
01:34:35,178 --> 01:34:37,017
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you can trade back up for Tyler Warren.

2055
01:34:37,058 --> 01:34:39,258
Speaker 3: I'll tell you my issue with Tyler Warren. Okay, I

2056
01:34:39,298 --> 01:34:41,218
Speaker 3: think he's gonna go too early to real estately trade

2057
01:34:41,218 --> 01:34:42,177
Speaker 3: back up in the first round.

2058
01:34:42,378 --> 01:34:44,337
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially well.

2059
01:34:44,178 --> 01:34:46,737
Speaker 3: He's listed at six six, two sixty, which is part

2060
01:34:46,737 --> 01:34:49,298
Speaker 3: of what makes him so impressive. Yeah, he might get

2061
01:34:49,338 --> 01:34:51,418
Speaker 3: to the combine and be like two forty five, So

2062
01:34:51,458 --> 01:34:54,537
Speaker 3: we'll see there, but he he I don't think he's

2063
01:34:54,537 --> 01:34:56,298
Speaker 3: go'n be a top fifteen pick. I think he's gonna

2064
01:34:56,298 --> 01:34:56,897
Speaker 3: be top twenty.

2065
01:34:57,458 --> 01:34:59,577
Speaker 2: He moves like a smaller guy, but he has the

2066
01:34:59,577 --> 01:35:02,577
Speaker 2: physicality of the bigger guy. Still. This isn't Travis Kelsey,

2067
01:35:02,617 --> 01:35:06,218
Speaker 2: who plays like a right So that's the thing.

2068
01:35:06,298 --> 01:35:08,617
Speaker 3: One like he can walk in for I was gonna

2069
01:35:09,098 --> 01:35:11,497
Speaker 3: he'll block, he'll play, he'll do the dirty work. The

2070
01:35:11,577 --> 01:35:13,697
Speaker 3: Travis ke This is not always a wide receiver, but

2071
01:35:13,737 --> 01:35:15,617
Speaker 3: he's big, so call the tight end. This is a

2072
01:35:15,657 --> 01:35:18,497
Speaker 3: true three down, well rounded tight end. Yeah. The other

2073
01:35:18,537 --> 01:35:21,378
Speaker 3: thing he is going for him copycat league. How many

2074
01:35:21,378 --> 01:35:23,537
Speaker 3: teams around the league you think are locking their chops

2075
01:35:23,817 --> 01:35:25,897
Speaker 3: looking at it and going, I'd love to get myself

2076
01:35:25,897 --> 01:35:27,418
Speaker 3: a brock Bowers. This is the guy.

2077
01:35:27,657 --> 01:35:30,097
Speaker 2: So I'm not it's not fair to brock Bowers because

2078
01:35:30,098 --> 01:35:33,017
Speaker 2: he's been awesome. Yeah, but it sort of speaks to

2079
01:35:33,058 --> 01:35:37,298
Speaker 2: my point. He just hasn't impacted that offense at all.

2080
01:35:37,497 --> 01:35:40,257
Speaker 2: Like he's He's put up great numbers, but the offense

2081
01:35:40,298 --> 01:35:43,017
Speaker 2: isn't any better. And that and that's mostly because they

2082
01:35:43,018 --> 01:35:45,578
Speaker 2: don't have a quarterback. Like I'm not. It's not necessarily

2083
01:35:45,737 --> 01:35:48,378
Speaker 2: solely a brock Bauers problem because like you could say,

2084
01:35:48,458 --> 01:35:50,298
Speaker 2: although to be fair, like couldn't I say the same

2085
01:35:50,298 --> 01:35:51,857
Speaker 2: thing about Malik. I was just about to say that

2086
01:35:51,897 --> 01:35:53,817
Speaker 2: you could say, they probably say something similar to Melik

2087
01:35:53,857 --> 01:35:57,218
Speaker 2: neighbors as well. But I just think from a coaching standpoint,

2088
01:35:57,737 --> 01:36:00,418
Speaker 2: if you're trying a game plan team that has a

2089
01:36:00,458 --> 01:36:04,897
Speaker 2: really really good tight end, I unless again, unless he's

2090
01:36:05,178 --> 01:36:09,418
Speaker 2: Gronk Kelsey that kind of level, I do think that

2091
01:36:09,537 --> 01:36:13,338
Speaker 2: it is. It's just harder to build it out from there,

2092
01:36:13,897 --> 01:36:18,378
Speaker 2: right most of the time, Like tight ends are eight

2093
01:36:18,458 --> 01:36:20,977
Speaker 2: hundred yards a year, you know. And and the thing

2094
01:36:21,018 --> 01:36:23,657
Speaker 2: that I worry about with Tyler Warren is like, you know,

2095
01:36:24,018 --> 01:36:25,537
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be as bad, but like

2096
01:36:25,617 --> 01:36:28,458
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitt's right was supposed to like change the revolution

2097
01:36:28,577 --> 01:36:32,258
Speaker 2: of tight ends and everything, you know, TJ. Hockinson, who

2098
01:36:32,338 --> 01:36:34,737
Speaker 2: I thought was a great prospect coming out like that,

2099
01:36:34,817 --> 01:36:38,617
Speaker 2: this happens with tight ends. OJ Howard, Like these guys

2100
01:36:38,657 --> 01:36:41,497
Speaker 2: get overdrafted a little bit. But I do like the player.

2101
01:36:41,657 --> 01:36:43,897
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to kill the player. I just I

2102
01:36:44,258 --> 01:36:47,057
Speaker 2: always am weary of Okay, we're going to build around

2103
01:36:47,058 --> 01:36:49,258
Speaker 2: a tight end, like you better hope that that's a

2104
01:36:49,338 --> 01:36:51,737
Speaker 2: generational tight end. You better hope that guy's really good.

2105
01:36:52,018 --> 01:36:54,617
Speaker 2: All right, Tie in North Carolina is on the line.

2106
01:36:54,617 --> 01:36:55,138
Speaker 2: What's up? Tie?

2107
01:36:57,218 --> 01:36:57,418
Speaker 10: Hey?

2108
01:36:57,418 --> 01:36:57,777
Speaker 6: What's up?

2109
01:36:57,817 --> 01:36:58,097
Speaker 4: Guys?

2110
01:36:58,338 --> 01:37:01,218
Speaker 11: Wanted the change tracks real quick from draft talking talk

2111
01:37:01,298 --> 01:37:04,177
Speaker 11: a little bit about coach Mayo. One thing I haven't

2112
01:37:04,178 --> 01:37:07,338
Speaker 11: really heard too much talked about is just the fact

2113
01:37:07,378 --> 01:37:09,138
Speaker 11: that he knew that he was going to be the

2114
01:37:09,138 --> 01:37:11,258
Speaker 11: Patriots ed coach. I know he took over a year

2115
01:37:12,378 --> 01:37:15,378
Speaker 11: before he was expected to, but he knew that he

2116
01:37:15,458 --> 01:37:17,537
Speaker 11: was going to be taken over for Bill and for

2117
01:37:17,617 --> 01:37:19,937
Speaker 11: this year to look the way that it has has

2118
01:37:20,018 --> 01:37:23,178
Speaker 11: just been really disappointing. And I think that there's just

2119
01:37:23,218 --> 01:37:26,937
Speaker 11: way too momentum involved with hiring a coach variable in

2120
01:37:26,978 --> 01:37:30,817
Speaker 11: the offseason and using that to bring in free against

2121
01:37:30,857 --> 01:37:35,458
Speaker 11: and then also work the draft, trade back, get as

2122
01:37:35,537 --> 01:37:38,458
Speaker 11: many assets and and build forward. I just want to

2123
01:37:38,458 --> 01:37:39,458
Speaker 11: get your guys thoughts on that.

2124
01:37:39,937 --> 01:37:41,977
Speaker 2: Yeah, TDD, thanks for the call. I would say the

2125
01:37:42,378 --> 01:37:46,777
Speaker 2: biggest criticism beyond the micro level stuff that we can pick,

2126
01:37:46,817 --> 01:37:49,378
Speaker 2: you know, the scheme and all that messaging and uh,

2127
01:37:49,537 --> 01:37:53,138
Speaker 2: the biggest criticism that I have with Gerrodmeo uh so

2128
01:37:53,338 --> 01:37:56,418
Speaker 2: far has been that I don't think that he was

2129
01:37:56,617 --> 01:38:00,017
Speaker 2: at all prepared to build a staff when he got hired.

2130
01:38:00,577 --> 01:38:02,657
Speaker 2: And when you look at a lot of these other

2131
01:38:02,697 --> 01:38:07,258
Speaker 2: coaches around the league, when they get the job, they

2132
01:38:07,298 --> 01:38:09,058
Speaker 2: know who their OC is going to be, they know

2133
01:38:09,098 --> 01:38:11,537
Speaker 2: who their DC is going to be, and it almost

2134
01:38:11,657 --> 01:38:14,018
Speaker 2: is coming as a package. Like part of the interview

2135
01:38:14,697 --> 01:38:17,817
Speaker 2: is who are going to be your high level assistant?

2136
01:38:17,897 --> 01:38:19,737
Speaker 3: You'd lay out, this is who I'm bringing with.

2137
01:38:19,897 --> 01:38:24,257
Speaker 2: Right, and so you know a couple of examples, Raheem

2138
01:38:24,258 --> 01:38:28,497
Speaker 2: Morris in Atlanta. Raheem Morris knew that Zach Robinson was

2139
01:38:28,497 --> 01:38:31,377
Speaker 2: coming with him from LA Right, he knew Zach Robinson

2140
01:38:31,777 --> 01:38:35,057
Speaker 2: is my OC pick, He's my guy. Jim Harbaugh came

2141
01:38:35,058 --> 01:38:37,458
Speaker 2: with two coordinators that have all sorts of ties to

2142
01:38:37,458 --> 01:38:40,298
Speaker 2: the Harbas right, Greg Roman and Jesse Minter who was

2143
01:38:40,298 --> 01:38:43,697
Speaker 2: at Michigan with him. He had his coordinators locked and

2144
01:38:43,777 --> 01:38:47,097
Speaker 2: ready to go. Part of that is because Girod's only

2145
01:38:47,138 --> 01:38:49,857
Speaker 2: worked for one organization and there wasn't an obvious OC

2146
01:38:50,098 --> 01:38:52,737
Speaker 2: unless they kept O'Brien like, there wasn't an obvious OC

2147
01:38:52,978 --> 01:38:56,298
Speaker 2: for him to go after within the walls. But it

2148
01:38:56,458 --> 01:38:59,178
Speaker 2: just that would be my one criticism. I think the

2149
01:38:59,218 --> 01:39:03,458
Speaker 2: one really strong pitch other than the obvious of the

2150
01:39:03,537 --> 01:39:08,178
Speaker 2: experience that he has. The strong pitch for Rabel and

2151
01:39:08,258 --> 01:39:12,057
Speaker 2: going that direction is that my guess is that Rabel

2152
01:39:12,098 --> 01:39:15,378
Speaker 2: has spent the last year poking around to see who

2153
01:39:15,418 --> 01:39:17,817
Speaker 2: he would come with him to his next stop. So

2154
01:39:17,978 --> 01:39:22,258
Speaker 2: he's gonna come probably turnkey, like he's going to have. Yeah,

2155
01:39:22,577 --> 01:39:24,817
Speaker 2: head coach is going to be him. I would actually

2156
01:39:24,857 --> 01:39:26,497
Speaker 2: even say that there's a chance that he already has

2157
01:39:26,497 --> 01:39:30,897
Speaker 2: a personnel guy that he would favor offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator,

2158
01:39:30,937 --> 01:39:34,298
Speaker 2: special teams coordinator, probably some high level assistants that are

2159
01:39:34,298 --> 01:39:38,137
Speaker 2: already on his radar as well. That's very appealing. It's

2160
01:39:38,218 --> 01:39:42,338
Speaker 2: very appealing to have that turnkey situation. And this never

2161
01:39:42,378 --> 01:39:45,978
Speaker 2: felt like this. They interviewed like fifteen offensive coordinator candidates

2162
01:39:46,178 --> 01:39:49,178
Speaker 2: and settled on Alex van Pelt. DeMarcus Comington was an

2163
01:39:49,218 --> 01:39:53,017
Speaker 2: internal promotion, obviously, but that one even felt like he

2164
01:39:53,138 --> 01:39:55,378
Speaker 2: was maybe a year or two early to get that

2165
01:39:55,458 --> 01:39:59,537
Speaker 2: kind of job. It just didn't feel like the staff

2166
01:39:59,697 --> 01:40:03,258
Speaker 2: was in great shape from the jump. So, yeah, it

2167
01:40:03,418 --> 01:40:06,577
Speaker 2: is appealing. You can't deny that it's appealing to just

2168
01:40:07,178 --> 01:40:09,298
Speaker 2: go out there and get a guy like Rabel who

2169
01:40:09,298 --> 01:40:11,617
Speaker 2: you know is going to be a turnkey staff and

2170
01:40:11,817 --> 01:40:13,298
Speaker 2: that's a decision they are gonna have to make.

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01:40:13,378 --> 01:40:14,977
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I've had this take, like, if they

2172
01:40:14,978 --> 01:40:17,577
Speaker 3: are going to move on from Drod Mayo, right, I've

2173
01:40:17,577 --> 01:40:19,577
Speaker 3: seen people say you need an offensive coach or Drake

2174
01:40:19,617 --> 01:40:21,737
Speaker 3: may more than offensive versus defensive. I just want a

2175
01:40:21,777 --> 01:40:23,098
Speaker 3: guy with previous experience.

2176
01:40:23,298 --> 01:40:23,458
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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01:40:23,497 --> 01:40:26,017
Speaker 3: I don't think replacing a rookie head coach with another

2178
01:40:26,058 --> 01:40:28,737
Speaker 3: rookie head coach solves the problems you're trying to solve it. Like,

2179
01:40:28,737 --> 01:40:31,617
Speaker 3: I'm kind of out on Ben Johnson because we know

2180
01:40:31,697 --> 01:40:33,298
Speaker 3: he can design an offense and we know he can

2181
01:40:33,338 --> 01:40:35,458
Speaker 3: be great in that regard and all that, But can

2182
01:40:35,458 --> 01:40:37,378
Speaker 3: he command a locker room? Can he do the game

2183
01:40:37,418 --> 01:40:39,617
Speaker 3: planning element of it? Can he handle the pressers and

2184
01:40:39,657 --> 01:40:43,937
Speaker 3: things like that? I think experience If they are moving

2185
01:40:43,937 --> 01:40:47,577
Speaker 3: on from Ao, what should the next guy have? Issue

2186
01:40:47,657 --> 01:40:49,577
Speaker 3: Number one? From his experience, you figure it out on

2187
01:40:49,617 --> 01:40:51,777
Speaker 3: either side of the ball. After that, with coordinators and

2188
01:40:51,857 --> 01:40:54,138
Speaker 3: the fact Vrabel might come with Josh McDaniels, who's not

2189
01:40:54,138 --> 01:40:57,617
Speaker 3: a flight risk, is certainly in a unique intriguing trait.

2190
01:40:57,697 --> 01:41:01,658
Speaker 3: We talked about this last year, But yeah, I experience

2191
01:41:01,817 --> 01:41:04,138
Speaker 3: should be the number one concern if they are going

2192
01:41:04,178 --> 01:41:07,497
Speaker 3: to add a new head coach above all else experience.

2193
01:41:07,577 --> 01:41:09,937
Speaker 2: And I've come I think this is, you know, doing

2194
01:41:10,018 --> 01:41:11,897
Speaker 2: side of the street. I've come around to the whole

2195
01:41:11,937 --> 01:41:16,777
Speaker 2: idea of like, you know, culture building and building a

2196
01:41:17,458 --> 01:41:21,258
Speaker 2: football program. Like I feel and maybe it's just because

2197
01:41:21,298 --> 01:41:24,177
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh was just here, Yeah, but it feels as though,

2198
01:41:24,298 --> 01:41:28,098
Speaker 2: you know that has become even more important in a

2199
01:41:28,098 --> 01:41:31,057
Speaker 2: lot of cases than he calls offensive place.

2200
01:41:31,098 --> 01:41:33,657
Speaker 3: Well, look, your point about that is, well, you want

2201
01:41:33,697 --> 01:41:35,777
Speaker 3: an offensive coach because him and the quarterback can grow

2202
01:41:35,817 --> 01:41:38,617
Speaker 3: together and all that. But if you have a head coach,

2203
01:41:38,657 --> 01:41:40,058
Speaker 3: and this is where Dan Campbell comes in, This is

2204
01:41:40,058 --> 01:41:42,057
Speaker 3: where Dan Campbell's really gonna get put to Dan Campbell's

2205
01:41:42,058 --> 01:41:43,857
Speaker 3: are well, this is where he'll get put to the

2206
01:41:43,857 --> 01:41:45,777
Speaker 3: test this offseason. A big part of the reason Dan

2207
01:41:45,817 --> 01:41:48,537
Speaker 3: Campbell is good is Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn are

2208
01:41:48,577 --> 01:41:50,857
Speaker 3: amazing at what they do. Doesn't mean they'll be good

2209
01:41:50,897 --> 01:41:53,137
Speaker 3: head coaches, but what they do they're amazing at. They're

2210
01:41:53,178 --> 01:41:57,418
Speaker 3: both probably gonna leave this offseason. Does Dan Campbell have

2211
01:41:57,458 --> 01:41:59,817
Speaker 3: a pipeline in place? For get developing players, can you

2212
01:41:59,857 --> 01:42:02,097
Speaker 3: develop coaches? That's part of the reason it worked here

2213
01:42:02,138 --> 01:42:04,458
Speaker 3: for so long there was always the next guy up.

2214
01:42:04,657 --> 01:42:07,497
Speaker 3: And realistically, if your offensive coordinator moves on right and

2215
01:42:07,537 --> 01:42:09,977
Speaker 3: you replace with the quarterbacks coach, are you replacing with

2216
01:42:10,018 --> 01:42:12,337
Speaker 3: the tight ends coach, you replacement with the passing and coordinator.

2217
01:42:12,777 --> 01:42:14,617
Speaker 3: The guys in your pipeline are not going to run

2218
01:42:14,657 --> 01:42:17,977
Speaker 3: a wildly different offense. So as long as you can

2219
01:42:18,098 --> 01:42:21,817
Speaker 3: keep a pipeline and continue hiring from within, the concept

2220
01:42:21,817 --> 01:42:23,977
Speaker 3: of your offensive coordinator moving on every two or three

2221
01:42:24,018 --> 01:42:28,017
Speaker 3: years really isn't as scary as it otherwise would be.

2222
01:42:28,138 --> 01:42:31,417
Speaker 2: So especially if your quarterback gets to the point where he's.

2223
01:42:31,378 --> 01:42:33,578
Speaker 3: Right and four or five years in if becomes irrelevant.

2224
01:42:33,777 --> 01:42:35,857
Speaker 2: So, you know, Josh Allen, like they they kind of

2225
01:42:35,897 --> 01:42:39,098
Speaker 2: screwed up with Mercy, but he's so good that he

2226
01:42:39,258 --> 01:42:41,577
Speaker 2: just kind of persevered through it, and they got it

2227
01:42:41,657 --> 01:42:43,657
Speaker 2: right with Joe Brady, so it ended up not mattering.

2228
01:42:43,978 --> 01:42:46,977
Speaker 3: So for me, it's it's like, if your coach can

2229
01:42:47,018 --> 01:42:49,697
Speaker 3: develop coaches, yeah, it doesn't really matter what side of

2230
01:42:49,737 --> 01:42:51,617
Speaker 3: the ball he's on, and I trust for able to

2231
01:42:51,617 --> 01:42:52,298
Speaker 3: be able to do that.

2232
01:42:52,418 --> 01:42:54,857
Speaker 2: There's a couple of guys in the UH in the

2233
01:42:54,937 --> 01:42:58,697
Speaker 2: Lions staff who was the tight Ends coach that interviewed

2234
01:42:58,737 --> 01:43:01,897
Speaker 2: around last year for OC jobs, if interviewed here, right, Yeah,

2235
01:43:01,897 --> 01:43:04,458
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see, uh if if those guys

2236
01:43:04,537 --> 01:43:06,577
Speaker 2: can can coach, like and it's that thing you have

2237
01:43:06,657 --> 01:43:07,217
Speaker 2: an agreement.

2238
01:43:07,218 --> 01:43:09,378
Speaker 3: It's like I you know, I developed you, I worked

2239
01:43:09,378 --> 01:43:11,057
Speaker 3: with you, so you just have to leave me one

2240
01:43:11,138 --> 01:43:13,458
Speaker 3: or two guys when you take your new job. So

2241
01:43:13,497 --> 01:43:17,657
Speaker 3: that uh Steve Hyden, No, yeah, that's their tight Ends.

2242
01:43:17,777 --> 01:43:18,617
Speaker 3: It was Steve Hyden.

2243
01:43:18,657 --> 01:43:20,097
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think it was somebody else. I'm thinking

2244
01:43:20,098 --> 01:43:20,258
Speaker 2: of it.

2245
01:43:20,298 --> 01:43:23,378
Speaker 3: You were thinking of em Tanner Engstrid, Yeah, that he

2246
01:43:23,537 --> 01:43:25,497
Speaker 3: is their pass games.

2247
01:43:26,697 --> 01:43:28,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the tight Ends coach a couple of

2248
01:43:28,298 --> 01:43:30,458
Speaker 2: years ago. But he's the guy that that seems to be.

2249
01:43:30,777 --> 01:43:33,298
Speaker 3: You just you just keep that pipeline stocked and it's

2250
01:43:33,338 --> 01:43:34,777
Speaker 3: gonna matter a lot less than you thought.

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01:43:34,937 --> 01:43:37,897
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, Mark is in Connecticut. What's that Mark?

2252
01:43:39,497 --> 01:43:42,418
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, just said two quick things for you. First

2253
01:43:42,418 --> 01:43:50,697
Speaker 6: of all, happy New year, guys, And first questions for Alex, So, Alex,

2254
01:43:50,697 --> 01:43:55,057
Speaker 6: I'm not understanding what Gaine now. NBC Sports Squasson talked

2255
01:43:55,098 --> 01:43:57,298
Speaker 6: about it a lot. What gain do you have by

2256
01:43:57,298 --> 01:44:00,138
Speaker 6: putting Drake mate out there? Other than getting him a

2257
01:44:00,138 --> 01:44:03,338
Speaker 6: little more experienced. I mean, he's already hurt. You know,

2258
01:44:03,378 --> 01:44:06,538
Speaker 6: you're really just you're throwing him out there to accomplish

2259
01:44:06,657 --> 01:44:08,857
Speaker 6: what I mean. The Buffalo Bills are going to have

2260
01:44:08,978 --> 01:44:11,617
Speaker 6: their backups out there, most of them. I mean, Josh

2261
01:44:11,657 --> 01:44:13,697
Speaker 6: Allen's gonna come out for a series maybe and then

2262
01:44:13,737 --> 01:44:14,697
Speaker 6: that's right.

2263
01:44:14,737 --> 01:44:16,737
Speaker 3: So why can't he do the same thing as Josh Allen?

2264
01:44:16,777 --> 01:44:18,418
Speaker 3: That's my whole point. Come out, hand it off a

2265
01:44:18,458 --> 01:44:21,657
Speaker 3: couple times. He's your franchise quarterback. Franchise quarterback, start games.

2266
01:44:21,697 --> 01:44:23,817
Speaker 6: If he gets hurt and then he can't start the

2267
01:44:23,897 --> 01:44:25,418
Speaker 6: next season, that's that's more.

2268
01:44:25,298 --> 01:44:25,657
Speaker 7: Of the thing.

2269
01:44:25,777 --> 01:44:29,338
Speaker 3: What if Josh Allen gets hurt, do you disagree with

2270
01:44:29,378 --> 01:44:30,458
Speaker 3: the Bills starting Josh Allen?

2271
01:44:30,497 --> 01:44:31,897
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's going to turn around and hand the ball.

2272
01:44:31,978 --> 01:44:33,378
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Why can't Drake May do that?

2273
01:44:33,937 --> 01:44:34,097
Speaker 11: Well?

2274
01:44:34,178 --> 01:44:36,218
Speaker 6: Then yeah, yeah, ok, I guess you can.

2275
01:44:36,897 --> 01:44:39,657
Speaker 3: Right. That's that's all I'm not saying, Start Drake May

2276
01:44:39,657 --> 01:44:42,537
Speaker 3: and have him dropped back fifty times. I'm saying, franchise,

2277
01:44:42,577 --> 01:44:45,138
Speaker 3: this is what franchise quarterbacks do. He wants to be

2278
01:44:45,218 --> 01:44:47,657
Speaker 3: viewed on that same level you as an organization want

2279
01:44:47,697 --> 01:44:49,937
Speaker 3: and viewed on that same level. Let him go out there,

2280
01:44:50,018 --> 01:44:52,097
Speaker 3: hand off a couple of times and take him out

2281
01:44:52,338 --> 01:44:54,657
Speaker 3: because that's what star quarterbacks do in this league, and

2282
01:44:54,697 --> 01:44:55,777
Speaker 3: you're trying to turn him into a star.

2283
01:44:57,098 --> 01:45:02,057
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And then the second thing was for Evan. I'm

2284
01:45:02,138 --> 01:45:07,657
Speaker 6: just very disappointed in Gerard Mayo, his communication all year

2285
01:45:07,697 --> 01:45:11,177
Speaker 6: with the media. I mean just his just in game

2286
01:45:11,218 --> 01:45:14,977
Speaker 6: decisions have just it hasn't gotten better at all throughout

2287
01:45:14,978 --> 01:45:19,418
Speaker 6: the year, and you should see progress and you haven't. Now.

2288
01:45:19,697 --> 01:45:22,937
Speaker 6: I think Mike Rabel is the answer in everybody else

2289
01:45:22,978 --> 01:45:25,178
Speaker 6: has been calling up talking about it as well. When

2290
01:45:25,218 --> 01:45:27,497
Speaker 6: he can bring a staff in and we can get

2291
01:45:27,497 --> 01:45:30,378
Speaker 6: this rebuild rocking and rolling. I think a lot fast

2292
01:45:30,577 --> 01:45:33,178
Speaker 6: or sticking with you, Mayo, but I don't think that

2293
01:45:33,458 --> 01:45:36,577
Speaker 6: the Crafts have the you know, the balls to do it,

2294
01:45:36,857 --> 01:45:39,178
Speaker 6: because I think it'll look bad on them after one

2295
01:45:39,258 --> 01:45:40,657
Speaker 6: year firing to Rod.

2296
01:45:40,577 --> 01:45:44,537
Speaker 2: Mayo, Yeah, Mark, thanks for the call. I go back

2297
01:45:44,577 --> 01:45:46,737
Speaker 2: and forth on that about whether it would look bad.

2298
01:45:47,897 --> 01:45:50,137
Speaker 2: I think in a lot of ways it could look bad,

2299
01:45:50,338 --> 01:45:52,458
Speaker 2: and you could certainly spin it that way if you

2300
01:45:52,497 --> 01:45:55,817
Speaker 2: wanted to. I also think a lot of people will

2301
01:45:55,817 --> 01:46:00,017
Speaker 2: spin it sunk cost fallacy right, like you, you made a.

2302
01:46:00,018 --> 01:46:02,497
Speaker 3: Mistake, admitted they made a mistake, they moved on, right,

2303
01:46:02,577 --> 01:46:04,697
Speaker 3: and then I mean it becomes about who they hire next.

2304
01:46:04,777 --> 01:46:07,617
Speaker 2: But I feel like it's almost to me and this

2305
01:46:07,697 --> 01:46:10,657
Speaker 2: is like just to be company man. But like I

2306
01:46:11,098 --> 01:46:13,218
Speaker 2: honestly think that that would be commendable. Like I think

2307
01:46:13,218 --> 01:46:15,537
Speaker 2: that that would be good, Like if they really truly

2308
01:46:15,577 --> 01:46:17,737
Speaker 2: felt and they have all the information and we don't.

2309
01:46:17,737 --> 01:46:20,697
Speaker 2: So if they truly really felt that this was a

2310
01:46:20,737 --> 01:46:23,298
Speaker 2: mistake and he wasn't ready for it and it was

2311
01:46:23,338 --> 01:46:26,617
Speaker 2: a mistake, then admitting the mistake and not wasting another

2312
01:46:26,697 --> 01:46:30,218
Speaker 2: year of Drake May's clock, of the whole organization's time,

2313
01:46:30,737 --> 01:46:33,577
Speaker 2: you know, all of our times, not wasting another year.

2314
01:46:34,138 --> 01:46:36,937
Speaker 2: I honestly think that that would be spun as a

2315
01:46:36,978 --> 01:46:39,697
Speaker 2: positive in a lot of ways. Okay, you made a mistake.

2316
01:46:39,817 --> 01:46:42,058
Speaker 2: Now the difference is, and I know a lot of

2317
01:46:42,058 --> 01:46:45,057
Speaker 2: people have said the thing about Rabel. I'm on board

2318
01:46:45,058 --> 01:46:47,177
Speaker 2: with Rabel. I think we all are to an extent

2319
01:46:47,418 --> 01:46:50,298
Speaker 2: if that's the way that this goes. But the other

2320
01:46:50,378 --> 01:46:53,057
Speaker 2: side of this is part of this will be league

2321
01:46:53,058 --> 01:46:56,258
Speaker 2: manadated with a Rooney rule. But you absolutely have to

2322
01:46:56,258 --> 01:46:58,418
Speaker 2: have a legitimate hiring process. You got to go through

2323
01:46:58,418 --> 01:47:01,098
Speaker 2: the process. You can't this time around. You can't just

2324
01:47:01,138 --> 01:47:03,098
Speaker 2: hand the job to Rabel, as good as he is

2325
01:47:03,218 --> 01:47:04,657
Speaker 2: and as much as I think he would be the

2326
01:47:04,737 --> 01:47:07,937
Speaker 2: right hire. Now, is it ceremonial? Is it just going

2327
01:47:07,978 --> 01:47:10,737
Speaker 2: through the motions? Maybe? But you look at the team

2328
01:47:10,857 --> 01:47:13,617
Speaker 2: like the Chargers. The Chargers interviewed like ten or fifteen

2329
01:47:13,657 --> 01:47:16,218
Speaker 2: guys for their head coaching job. You have to go

2330
01:47:16,258 --> 01:47:20,097
Speaker 2: through a legitimate interview process. And if you end up

2331
01:47:20,178 --> 01:47:22,857
Speaker 2: on Mike Vrabel at the end of that process, then great.

2332
01:47:23,378 --> 01:47:26,817
Speaker 2: But you can't just do another situation where this is

2333
01:47:26,857 --> 01:47:28,777
Speaker 2: like a handshake deal under the table and we're just

2334
01:47:28,777 --> 01:47:31,138
Speaker 2: handing you the job. It's gonna have to be a

2335
01:47:31,218 --> 01:47:35,057
Speaker 2: legitimate interview process. All right, DeShawn is in West Virginia.

2336
01:47:35,138 --> 01:47:35,817
Speaker 2: What's up to Seawan?

2337
01:47:37,857 --> 01:47:40,058
Speaker 10: As few as actually Virginia?

2338
01:47:40,258 --> 01:47:42,577
Speaker 2: Oh okay, regular Virginia.

2339
01:47:44,777 --> 01:47:47,657
Speaker 10: Yes, two things. You know, for instance, like with the draft,

2340
01:47:47,697 --> 01:47:50,058
Speaker 10: you know what I call it? That called about quarterbacks

2341
01:47:50,378 --> 01:47:53,937
Speaker 10: since not being available. He basically deliverify my point and

2342
01:47:54,817 --> 01:47:57,338
Speaker 10: I mentioned I believe I mentioned before on Pature's Unfiltered

2343
01:47:57,378 --> 01:48:01,178
Speaker 10: about other guys jobs being like on the hot seat

2344
01:48:01,178 --> 01:48:03,537
Speaker 10: as much as y'all you guys talk about the jobs,

2345
01:48:03,697 --> 01:48:05,338
Speaker 10: a few jobs here in New England being on the

2346
01:48:05,378 --> 01:48:07,298
Speaker 10: hot seat, you don't think that's the same thing, the

2347
01:48:07,338 --> 01:48:08,897
Speaker 10: same woe be the same problem in the other place

2348
01:48:09,018 --> 01:48:10,657
Speaker 10: or whatever. That's why I believe that they will be

2349
01:48:10,737 --> 01:48:12,138
Speaker 10: anty go ahead and try to call up for the

2350
01:48:12,218 --> 01:48:14,937
Speaker 10: number one pick, you know, to try to get that quarterback,

2351
01:48:15,018 --> 01:48:17,697
Speaker 10: knowing the fact that the fativable feature may not hold,

2352
01:48:18,138 --> 01:48:20,057
Speaker 10: you know, to be true as much as they wanted

2353
01:48:20,098 --> 01:48:22,297
Speaker 10: to be. Now, when it comes to Mike Bravery the situation,

2354
01:48:22,577 --> 01:48:25,257
Speaker 10: I believe he get him. He brings stability to the situation.

2355
01:48:25,737 --> 01:48:28,537
Speaker 10: He can coach. And also if people talk blame him

2356
01:48:28,737 --> 01:48:31,737
Speaker 10: for the destruction of Tennessee or whatever, people seven forget

2357
01:48:31,777 --> 01:48:35,378
Speaker 10: that it was that GM. I believe he comes here,

2358
01:48:35,418 --> 01:48:37,577
Speaker 10: he had more power and he'd be able to get

2359
01:48:37,617 --> 01:48:39,537
Speaker 10: the gods that he want to get. What the gods

2360
01:48:39,577 --> 01:48:41,857
Speaker 10: you want to keep. That's all I have to say.

2361
01:48:42,218 --> 01:48:44,218
Speaker 2: Thanks to Sean, thanks for the call. Yeah, look, I

2362
01:48:44,537 --> 01:48:46,778
Speaker 2: get it. I get why everybody wants changes.

2363
01:48:47,418 --> 01:48:51,178
Speaker 3: And I would not bring John Robinson with Mike Frabel that.

2364
01:48:51,617 --> 01:48:55,057
Speaker 2: I sent you, Yeah, I sent you a text about this.

2365
01:48:55,178 --> 01:48:59,378
Speaker 2: But Ryan Cowden in the New York Giants organization. Now,

2366
01:48:59,737 --> 01:49:02,298
Speaker 2: who was the number two to John Robinson for a

2367
01:49:02,298 --> 01:49:05,098
Speaker 2: long time in Tennessee. It sounds like there is a

2368
01:49:05,138 --> 01:49:08,657
Speaker 2: connection there between Rabel. Now, the last thing I want

2369
01:49:08,657 --> 01:49:12,378
Speaker 2: to say about this, and you know it's a touchy subject.

2370
01:49:12,418 --> 01:49:13,857
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you, But the last thing

2371
01:49:13,857 --> 01:49:16,777
Speaker 2: I want to say to you about about this is

2372
01:49:16,817 --> 01:49:18,937
Speaker 2: there a world because I'm starting to think there might be.

2373
01:49:19,617 --> 01:49:24,418
Speaker 2: Is there a world where it's just a rodd and

2374
01:49:24,777 --> 01:49:30,298
Speaker 2: maybe Covington also, But Rabel comes with Elliott Wolf and

2375
01:49:30,617 --> 01:49:33,937
Speaker 2: keeps Alex van Pelt and they go that direction because

2376
01:49:34,857 --> 01:49:37,937
Speaker 2: I look at it, and raybol just came from Cleveland. Yeah,

2377
01:49:38,058 --> 01:49:40,737
Speaker 2: just spent the year with Kevin Stefanski and Cleveland. And

2378
01:49:40,777 --> 01:49:43,137
Speaker 2: some of the reporting out of Cleveland at the time

2379
01:49:43,338 --> 01:49:45,497
Speaker 2: was that firing Van Pelt was a little bit of

2380
01:49:45,497 --> 01:49:50,098
Speaker 2: a head scratcher for everybody there. Yeah, he just came

2381
01:49:50,138 --> 01:49:54,857
Speaker 2: from Cleveland. His two coordinators in Tennessee were Lafleur and

2382
01:49:54,978 --> 01:49:59,898
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith, who are both West Coast offense Shanahan decightful

2383
01:49:59,978 --> 01:50:04,497
Speaker 2: type coaches and I wonder, you know, I know Josh

2384
01:50:04,657 --> 01:50:08,137
Speaker 2: is popular. Tommy Reese is another name that's been floated around,

2385
01:50:08,178 --> 01:50:10,338
Speaker 2: and I know you hate, but I just wonder, like,

2386
01:50:10,418 --> 01:50:12,897
Speaker 2: if he's gonna run a West Coast offense anyways, right,

2387
01:50:12,978 --> 01:50:15,498
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be that sort of flavor anyways.

2388
01:50:16,897 --> 01:50:20,577
Speaker 3: Well, and then on top of that, you think Stefanski's.

2389
01:50:20,018 --> 01:50:24,657
Speaker 2: Job is safe. He's a really good coach. I don't know.

2390
01:50:24,817 --> 01:50:29,058
Speaker 3: Does Stefanski come in as essentially what my blanking on

2391
01:50:29,098 --> 01:50:29,418
Speaker 3: his name?

2392
01:50:30,897 --> 01:50:31,097
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2393
01:50:31,138 --> 01:50:34,258
Speaker 3: Does Defanski come in as along with Ben McAdoo to

2394
01:50:34,298 --> 01:50:37,658
Speaker 3: replace Ben McAdoo as kind of that offensive consultant.

2395
01:50:37,817 --> 01:50:42,337
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible. It's possible. I just wonder. I'm beginning

2396
01:50:42,338 --> 01:50:46,097
Speaker 2: to know the situation is. I look, the McDaniels thing

2397
01:50:46,138 --> 01:50:48,497
Speaker 2: is always there. Yeah, I'm not saying it's not, and

2398
01:50:48,777 --> 01:50:50,857
Speaker 2: it has its advantages. I don't know that.

2399
01:50:52,098 --> 01:50:55,737
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know that between McDaniels in between Van Pelt,

2400
01:50:55,937 --> 01:50:58,057
Speaker 3: I don't know that one's definitively better than the other.

2401
01:50:58,098 --> 01:51:00,737
Speaker 3: They're very different. They both have pros and cons. But

2402
01:51:01,617 --> 01:51:05,617
Speaker 3: there is certainly a through line with Elliott Wolf Mike

2403
01:51:05,737 --> 01:51:09,418
Speaker 3: Rabel to Alex van Pelt. And then if I can

2404
01:51:09,458 --> 01:51:12,178
Speaker 3: add one more to you there, Wes Welker.

2405
01:51:12,857 --> 01:51:15,458
Speaker 2: So, Wes Welker is the name that I've thought of,

2406
01:51:15,737 --> 01:51:19,018
Speaker 2: maybe Rabel being able to bring in the coach receivers.

2407
01:51:19,418 --> 01:51:24,817
Speaker 2: There's also the current offensive coordinator for the Green Bay

2408
01:51:24,857 --> 01:51:29,897
Speaker 2: Packers is on the coaching track to be promoted somewhere.

2409
01:51:30,617 --> 01:51:35,497
Speaker 2: And I don't know pell Well right, but I'm talking

2410
01:51:35,537 --> 01:51:37,497
Speaker 2: about if they're not, Oh, just another name to know.

2411
01:51:37,657 --> 01:51:41,977
Speaker 2: I don't know Rabel is necessarily part of that. But

2412
01:51:42,058 --> 01:51:44,497
Speaker 2: if the Patriots decide even to keep Gerrod and move

2413
01:51:44,497 --> 01:51:50,537
Speaker 2: on from Adam Stenovich, yes, Adam Stenovich basically runs Green

2414
01:51:50,577 --> 01:51:51,378
Speaker 2: Bay's run game.

2415
01:51:51,897 --> 01:51:53,977
Speaker 3: He is the run game coordinator before he was the.

2416
01:51:54,218 --> 01:51:56,737
Speaker 2: So he is Alex van Pelt in Cleveland. He is

2417
01:51:56,777 --> 01:52:00,458
Speaker 2: not calling plays for the Green Bay Packers, but he

2418
01:52:00,777 --> 01:52:03,537
Speaker 2: is a little bit more. Now.

2419
01:52:03,897 --> 01:52:05,418
Speaker 3: If you're gonna do that, though, you got to get

2420
01:52:05,418 --> 01:52:08,737
Speaker 3: a you got to get somebody with experience in that role.

2421
01:52:09,378 --> 01:52:12,257
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily disagree with you, but at least according

2422
01:52:12,298 --> 01:52:14,258
Speaker 2: to Lafloor and I think that you know, part of

2423
01:52:14,298 --> 01:52:15,937
Speaker 2: it is lafor Is trying to gasp up his guy

2424
01:52:15,978 --> 01:52:18,537
Speaker 2: to get him interviews and stuff like that. But Lafora

2425
01:52:18,537 --> 01:52:21,617
Speaker 2: has said that this guy deserves to be a at

2426
01:52:21,697 --> 01:52:24,737
Speaker 2: least a play caller somewhere, and he also has said

2427
01:52:24,737 --> 01:52:27,298
Speaker 2: that he basically calls the run game, so they when

2428
01:52:27,298 --> 01:52:29,298
Speaker 2: they know he's gonna they're gonna run the ball. He's

2429
01:52:29,298 --> 01:52:31,737
Speaker 2: the one that's calling the play. So I think he

2430
01:52:31,817 --> 01:52:36,057
Speaker 2: has done some a little bit of play calling. And

2431
01:52:37,178 --> 01:52:41,258
Speaker 2: he apparently is like the next thing, the next Mike McDaniel,

2432
01:52:41,338 --> 01:52:44,817
Speaker 2: the next Kyle Shanahan, the next Matt Before you know,

2433
01:52:44,857 --> 01:52:48,577
Speaker 2: he's kind of the next guy. So whether it's Elliott

2434
01:52:48,577 --> 01:52:52,497
Speaker 2: Wolfe's connection to Green Bay bringing him here, whether it's

2435
01:52:52,657 --> 01:52:55,217
Speaker 2: you know, Mike Rabel and Elliott wolf bringing him whatever,

2436
01:52:55,378 --> 01:52:56,777
Speaker 2: I don't know. But it's just a name to throw

2437
01:52:56,817 --> 01:52:59,617
Speaker 2: out there that's in this system, in this tree, in

2438
01:52:59,657 --> 01:53:02,258
Speaker 2: this world, last thing that I want to do before

2439
01:53:02,258 --> 01:53:04,017
Speaker 2: we wrap here. I do have some reason to get.

2440
01:53:05,777 --> 01:53:08,137
Speaker 2: I've been like a lot of what we're I want

2441
01:53:08,138 --> 01:53:11,697
Speaker 2: that other Jeremiah Smith take. Oh yeah, we're gonna do

2442
01:53:11,697 --> 01:53:15,258
Speaker 2: it right now. So I don't actually remember what I

2443
01:53:15,258 --> 01:53:17,857
Speaker 2: said I was gonna say. But anyways, you said you

2444
01:53:17,857 --> 01:53:21,577
Speaker 2: had another take on Jeremiah Smith. Okay, maybe I'll get

2445
01:53:21,657 --> 01:53:24,497
Speaker 2: maybe I'll remember, so I have some recency biased guys

2446
01:53:24,537 --> 01:53:29,218
Speaker 2: for you. Okay, not necessarily like pounding the table for

2447
01:53:29,298 --> 01:53:32,577
Speaker 2: either guy. There's two guys I've watched recently. One of

2448
01:53:32,577 --> 01:53:34,298
Speaker 2: them you're gonna hate. One of them, I'm not sure about.

2449
01:53:34,897 --> 01:53:37,897
Speaker 2: They both go to Ohio State. So the guy that

2450
01:53:37,978 --> 01:53:43,178
Speaker 2: I am swimming over a little bit now is a Meccava.

2451
01:53:42,657 --> 01:53:44,577
Speaker 3: That I know which one gonna hate.

2452
01:53:45,138 --> 01:53:50,657
Speaker 2: Meccauka from Ohio State, who to me plays a lot

2453
01:53:50,737 --> 01:53:53,097
Speaker 2: like Jackson Smith and jigl like they played the same

2454
01:53:53,178 --> 01:53:56,218
Speaker 2: role in the Ohio States offense, that z slot role. Uh,

2455
01:53:56,258 --> 01:53:59,338
Speaker 2: and he just is more of like a glider smooth mover,

2456
01:53:59,978 --> 01:54:02,697
Speaker 2: you know, bursty off the line of scrimmage, but not

2457
01:54:02,737 --> 01:54:05,577
Speaker 2: gonna blow you away with speed over the top. He's

2458
01:54:05,577 --> 01:54:08,258
Speaker 2: gonna be an inside receiver in the NFL. I just

2459
01:54:08,497 --> 01:54:11,738
Speaker 2: like JSN has developed a Year two for the Seahawks.

2460
01:54:12,058 --> 01:54:14,657
Speaker 2: I see like Buka as as your chain mover, right,

2461
01:54:14,697 --> 01:54:17,017
Speaker 2: Like that guy's gonna catch a hundred passes in the NFL,

2462
01:54:17,098 --> 01:54:19,418
Speaker 2: basically what Jalen Polk was supposed to be. Yeah, and

2463
01:54:19,817 --> 01:54:23,057
Speaker 2: I really, I really thought his film was was really

2464
01:54:23,058 --> 01:54:28,338
Speaker 2: really good. Just really smooth, doesn't fight it catches the

2465
01:54:28,378 --> 01:54:32,138
Speaker 2: ball really smooth. You really, he's gonna be great in

2466
01:54:32,138 --> 01:54:34,458
Speaker 2: the Gauntlet drill like one of those types of guys

2467
01:54:34,658 --> 01:54:38,418
Speaker 2: that's got great body control, great hands, catcher, transitions really

2468
01:54:38,458 --> 01:54:41,378
Speaker 2: quickly into yards after the catch, has quickness at the

2469
01:54:41,378 --> 01:54:43,418
Speaker 2: top of the route to get open and create separation.

2470
01:54:43,858 --> 01:54:46,137
Speaker 2: He's just not a blazer. He's just not a third

2471
01:54:46,258 --> 01:54:49,897
Speaker 2: level deept type of receiver. Now. He can stretch the

2472
01:54:49,897 --> 01:54:51,698
Speaker 2: field from the inside though. You put him, you know,

2473
01:54:51,738 --> 01:54:54,338
Speaker 2: as the slot guy, number two, number three in trips like.

2474
01:54:54,418 --> 01:54:57,338
Speaker 2: He can run the seam, he can run a deep over.

2475
01:54:57,578 --> 01:55:00,818
Speaker 2: He caught a touchdown pass yesterday running you know, across

2476
01:55:00,818 --> 01:55:04,498
Speaker 2: the field on a deep over. That those elements are there.

2477
01:55:04,538 --> 01:55:06,418
Speaker 2: He's just not going to win on the outside on

2478
01:55:06,458 --> 01:55:08,977
Speaker 2: the perimeter. But if you're building out, like kind of

2479
01:55:09,018 --> 01:55:11,418
Speaker 2: an offense and you're building out, you know, a receiver room.

2480
01:55:11,658 --> 01:55:13,658
Speaker 2: You know, if you get the outside guy in a

2481
01:55:13,738 --> 01:55:15,778
Speaker 2: in free agency or in the veteran market, if it's

2482
01:55:15,818 --> 01:55:19,178
Speaker 2: t Higgins, if it's DK Metcalf, it's whoever, if you

2483
01:55:19,218 --> 01:55:21,618
Speaker 2: get that guy on the outside, you know, that's what

2484
01:55:21,658 --> 01:55:23,858
Speaker 2: the Seahawks have going on right now. Right they have

2485
01:55:23,937 --> 01:55:25,977
Speaker 2: DK on the outside, they have Jason in the middle

2486
01:55:25,978 --> 01:55:29,458
Speaker 2: of the field. Jayson's putting up great numbers. I'm starting

2487
01:55:29,498 --> 01:55:33,137
Speaker 2: to really love the the idea of trading up into

2488
01:55:33,178 --> 01:55:35,378
Speaker 2: the back end of the first round for Buka, who

2489
01:55:35,378 --> 01:55:36,977
Speaker 2: I think is going to go somewhere in the twenties.

2490
01:55:37,138 --> 01:55:39,858
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's he's gonna move that high up.

2491
01:55:39,897 --> 01:55:39,977
Speaker 9: Now.

2492
01:55:40,058 --> 01:55:43,538
Speaker 3: I like, he can't be their only wide receiver edition, correct,

2493
01:55:43,738 --> 01:55:46,498
Speaker 3: but if you get a DK metcaffer T Higgins, he

2494
01:55:46,538 --> 01:55:49,578
Speaker 3: would be a really nice complimentary piece.

2495
01:55:49,698 --> 01:55:53,138
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel really strongly about the fact that I

2496
01:55:53,138 --> 01:55:55,618
Speaker 2: don't think anybody in the Patriots receiver room is good

2497
01:55:55,738 --> 01:56:00,017
Speaker 2: enough that I care about positional overlap. Yeah. Like so, yes,

2498
01:56:00,258 --> 01:56:03,778
Speaker 2: technically he plays the same role as Jalen Polk. Jalen

2499
01:56:03,818 --> 01:56:05,578
Speaker 2: Polk didn't prove enough to me that I can.

2500
01:56:05,698 --> 01:56:07,578
Speaker 3: No, I'm with you one hundred percent. Yeah, I'm with

2501
01:56:07,618 --> 01:56:08,418
Speaker 3: you hundred percent on that.

2502
01:56:08,738 --> 01:56:12,057
Speaker 2: Uh, the next one you're really gonna hate. Yeah, I

2503
01:56:12,058 --> 01:56:14,858
Speaker 2: did watch Josh Simmons. Ye, so there's a lot of

2504
01:56:15,698 --> 01:56:17,778
Speaker 2: there's a lot of caveats with Josh Simmons, And this

2505
01:56:17,818 --> 01:56:20,298
Speaker 2: is a take that probably we're going to unpack a

2506
01:56:20,338 --> 01:56:23,698
Speaker 2: lot more moving forward, but just my quick thirty second

2507
01:56:23,778 --> 01:56:27,258
Speaker 2: take on him his film in the first five games

2508
01:56:27,258 --> 01:56:30,178
Speaker 2: of the season, No I'll get to it, Okay, that

2509
01:56:30,218 --> 01:56:35,218
Speaker 2: he played against Ohio State is was absolutely otherworldly, like

2510
01:56:36,138 --> 01:56:38,178
Speaker 2: left tackle number one in the draft, Like he would

2511
01:56:38,218 --> 01:56:41,137
Speaker 2: be the top tackle in the in the draft bar none.

2512
01:56:41,338 --> 01:56:44,218
Speaker 2: If he played like that the entire campbell. Yeah, if

2513
01:56:44,218 --> 01:56:46,937
Speaker 2: he was playing like that like yesterday in the bowl game,

2514
01:56:47,058 --> 01:56:49,138
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be even having a discussion. He would be

2515
01:56:49,937 --> 01:56:54,658
Speaker 2: number one. Crisp, explosive mover, really quick out of his stance.

2516
01:56:54,818 --> 01:56:57,858
Speaker 2: Mirror's guys. Plays a great balance, great leverage, arm length,

2517
01:56:57,937 --> 01:56:59,897
Speaker 2: checks that box more. I think he's gonna have like

2518
01:56:59,937 --> 01:57:02,698
Speaker 2: thirty five inch arms. Like he's a long dude. He's

2519
01:57:03,098 --> 01:57:07,818
Speaker 2: a freak athlete. Now the caveats he played nobody. Yep.

2520
01:57:08,218 --> 01:57:10,578
Speaker 2: He transferred in for one season at Ohio State from

2521
01:57:10,618 --> 01:57:14,578
Speaker 2: San Diego State, right, Sandy or Sandieo State, and so

2522
01:57:14,618 --> 01:57:17,818
Speaker 2: he played nobody there, right. And he also appeared to

2523
01:57:17,858 --> 01:57:21,218
Speaker 2: take a really big leap from where he was at

2524
01:57:21,218 --> 01:57:23,937
Speaker 2: San Diego State to where he was in the first

2525
01:57:23,937 --> 01:57:28,057
Speaker 2: five games again at Ohio State. So you're you're really

2526
01:57:28,498 --> 01:57:30,937
Speaker 2: you're drafting a guy based off of five game against

2527
01:57:30,978 --> 01:57:34,218
Speaker 2: like Michigan State. I think he played Iowa.

2528
01:57:34,058 --> 01:57:35,698
Speaker 3: Well, he started the full I think he started the

2529
01:57:35,698 --> 01:57:39,138
Speaker 3: full season last year at San Diego State. At Ohio State, No,

2530
01:57:39,178 --> 01:57:40,858
Speaker 3: I think this is his first year at Ohios was

2531
01:57:40,858 --> 01:57:43,017
Speaker 3: a second. Oh, then I gotta go back and watch,

2532
01:57:43,138 --> 01:57:43,778
Speaker 3: got to watch more.

2533
01:57:44,098 --> 01:57:47,378
Speaker 2: So he improved a lot. Is the point from this

2534
01:57:47,418 --> 01:57:52,298
Speaker 2: year to last year? So was that competition? Was he

2535
01:57:52,298 --> 01:57:55,538
Speaker 2: gonna keep it up? And he played a half against Oregon.

2536
01:57:55,738 --> 01:57:57,977
Speaker 2: He did give up a pressure and half against Oregon,

2537
01:57:58,498 --> 01:57:59,977
Speaker 2: but then he got hurt and then he's been out

2538
01:58:00,018 --> 01:58:03,698
Speaker 2: for ever since. So it's a risk. It's you're you're

2539
01:58:03,738 --> 01:58:05,177
Speaker 2: banking on five game sampled.

2540
01:58:05,258 --> 01:58:08,177
Speaker 3: Okay, what have we said about the tackle position going

2541
01:58:08,218 --> 01:58:09,578
Speaker 3: back to like last offseason.

2542
01:58:11,098 --> 01:58:13,578
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's no half measures, it's a it's a

2543
01:58:13,578 --> 01:58:15,977
Speaker 2: half measure, it's a risk, whatever you want to call it, right,

2544
01:58:16,378 --> 01:58:20,097
Speaker 2: it's it's a risk. Now would you feel better because

2545
01:58:20,658 --> 01:58:21,538
Speaker 2: the tape.

2546
01:58:21,578 --> 01:58:23,578
Speaker 3: And yeah he was he's a full time start Ohio States.

2547
01:58:23,658 --> 01:58:25,498
Speaker 2: Okay, so you need to go I gotta watch that

2548
01:58:25,578 --> 01:58:27,298
Speaker 2: because I from what I've heard, and I'm going off

2549
01:58:27,338 --> 01:58:30,458
Speaker 2: of what uh what Brennan Thorne right in his right

2550
01:58:30,578 --> 01:58:32,858
Speaker 2: up about him? He was nowhere. He was not this

2551
01:58:32,937 --> 01:58:33,618
Speaker 2: level of player.

2552
01:58:34,178 --> 01:58:35,858
Speaker 3: I can just give you his numbers I can't tell

2553
01:58:35,858 --> 01:58:38,217
Speaker 3: you off the top of my head. He allowed fifteen

2554
01:58:38,258 --> 01:58:40,097
Speaker 3: pressures with eight penalties last year.

2555
01:58:40,178 --> 01:58:42,498
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he got a lot better, a lot better

2556
01:58:42,978 --> 01:58:45,458
Speaker 2: and has made a real big leap and then didn't

2557
01:58:45,498 --> 01:58:48,338
Speaker 2: play the tough part of their schedule. So you're really

2558
01:58:48,378 --> 01:58:51,858
Speaker 2: banging on. You're getting the player that dominated against like.

2559
01:58:51,937 --> 01:58:55,018
Speaker 3: Jack Green, Western Michigan, Marshall, Michigan State, and Iowa.

2560
01:58:55,058 --> 01:58:57,738
Speaker 2: So Iowa usually has some pretty good defensive linemen.

2561
01:58:57,818 --> 01:58:59,858
Speaker 3: Though they allowed like free points a game this year.

2562
01:58:59,937 --> 01:59:02,538
Speaker 2: Okay, but they usually have pretty good defensive lines. I

2563
01:59:02,578 --> 01:59:04,258
Speaker 2: maybe they don't this year, but.

2564
01:59:04,418 --> 01:59:06,818
Speaker 3: So you're you're drafting him off twenty seven pass block

2565
01:59:06,858 --> 01:59:09,138
Speaker 3: snaps against Iowa.

2566
01:59:09,258 --> 01:59:12,098
Speaker 2: I don't disagree. It's it's a it's not it's a

2567
01:59:12,178 --> 01:59:14,298
Speaker 2: risky thing, but we have to talk about it. We

2568
01:59:14,378 --> 01:59:16,338
Speaker 2: have to talk about it. Yeah, you're right, we have

2569
01:59:16,338 --> 01:59:16,897
Speaker 2: to talk about it.

2570
01:59:16,937 --> 01:59:19,097
Speaker 3: I would say, this is you telling me I talk

2571
01:59:19,138 --> 01:59:22,257
Speaker 3: about it, wouldn't And it's a little bit different.

2572
01:59:22,937 --> 01:59:24,738
Speaker 2: Another damn is gonna get rolled? Yeah they are.

2573
01:59:25,058 --> 01:59:27,178
Speaker 3: Do you want to draft Dominique Easley to beat to

2574
01:59:27,218 --> 01:59:27,977
Speaker 3: protect Drake May?

2575
01:59:28,258 --> 01:59:31,618
Speaker 2: It's way different than that. So I domin easily was like.

2576
01:59:32,058 --> 01:59:33,897
Speaker 3: I need to see how bad the knee injury is.

2577
01:59:33,937 --> 01:59:38,018
Speaker 3: It hasn't been reported exactly what it was, but there

2578
01:59:38,218 --> 01:59:40,618
Speaker 3: because they don't have to put out injury boards. Yeah,

2579
01:59:40,698 --> 01:59:43,937
Speaker 3: there's some chatter that it might have been really bad.

2580
01:59:44,498 --> 01:59:50,098
Speaker 2: Okay, but if you have between one really catastrophic injury.

2581
01:59:49,658 --> 01:59:51,578
Speaker 3: And then like if you have a guy with the

2582
01:59:51,738 --> 01:59:55,498
Speaker 3: completely reconstructed knee, that is a ticking time bomb.

2583
01:59:55,618 --> 01:59:56,738
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

2584
01:59:56,897 --> 02:00:00,297
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I for other teams make sense. Certainly

2585
02:00:00,698 --> 02:00:03,858
Speaker 3: the Patriots couldnot afford. Let's put this way, is it

2586
02:00:03,897 --> 02:00:05,897
Speaker 3: worth the wrist that his knee blows up again and

2587
02:00:05,937 --> 02:00:09,538
Speaker 3: now you burned that pick? When there are other tackles

2588
02:00:09,578 --> 02:00:12,618
Speaker 3: who have similar ceilings, maybe not the same floor, but

2589
02:00:12,658 --> 02:00:14,338
Speaker 3: similar ceilings on the table.

2590
02:00:14,338 --> 02:00:16,338
Speaker 2: Are there similar ceilings? He's really good.

2591
02:00:16,698 --> 02:00:19,378
Speaker 3: You don't think Banks is a similar ceiling. You don't

2592
02:00:19,418 --> 02:00:22,338
Speaker 3: think Campbell if a similar I think Banks is definitely

2593
02:00:22,418 --> 02:00:24,898
Speaker 3: a safer pick. I don't think he has a similar.

2594
02:00:24,618 --> 02:00:28,618
Speaker 2: I want a safe picksh Simmons has like real like

2595
02:00:28,738 --> 02:00:30,017
Speaker 2: all pro caliber ceilings.

2596
02:00:30,018 --> 02:00:33,258
Speaker 3: I want to say, what about Connory? No, I want

2597
02:00:33,258 --> 02:00:35,658
Speaker 3: a safe pick. I don't want to do this whole

2598
02:00:35,658 --> 02:00:36,137
Speaker 3: thing again.

2599
02:00:36,258 --> 02:00:38,138
Speaker 2: Okay, where we don't know who the left tackle is

2600
02:00:38,138 --> 02:00:40,778
Speaker 2: week to week for three years. Let me ask you this,

2601
02:00:41,218 --> 02:00:44,578
Speaker 2: it's valid. Let me ask you this. Yeah, if they

2602
02:00:44,578 --> 02:00:46,818
Speaker 2: go out in free agency and they signed Cam Robinson

2603
02:00:46,897 --> 02:00:48,498
Speaker 2: or they signed Ronnie Stance.

2604
02:00:48,378 --> 02:00:51,258
Speaker 3: Then just make Cam Robinson your tackle and draft your

2605
02:00:51,298 --> 02:00:52,618
Speaker 3: future left tackle next year.

2606
02:00:53,458 --> 02:00:56,177
Speaker 2: Okay, but you wouldn't take Josh Simmons on Day two

2607
02:00:56,618 --> 02:01:00,338
Speaker 2: as like this project. You know, you know what I'm saying, Like.

2608
02:01:00,498 --> 02:01:02,498
Speaker 3: They can't they can't really afford to be using top

2609
02:01:02,538 --> 02:01:05,178
Speaker 3: one hundred picks on guys that aren't gonna play, all right,

2610
02:01:05,258 --> 02:01:08,257
Speaker 3: fair enough, it's just hard to not go get Caden

2611
02:01:08,258 --> 02:01:11,017
Speaker 3: Proctor next year. At that point, it's just hard to deny. No,

2612
02:01:11,098 --> 02:01:13,738
Speaker 3: he's the tape was incredible. He makes sense for he

2613
02:01:13,818 --> 02:01:17,218
Speaker 3: makes sense for some teams I make. This is crazy.

2614
02:01:17,258 --> 02:01:19,418
Speaker 3: This was if this was like five years ago, when

2615
02:01:19,458 --> 02:01:21,418
Speaker 3: you knew Nate Soldier was towards the end and you

2616
02:01:21,538 --> 02:01:24,178
Speaker 3: had talent elsewhere on the offensive line, sign me the

2617
02:01:24,218 --> 02:01:26,937
Speaker 3: hell up for where this team's at right now. They

2618
02:01:26,978 --> 02:01:29,698
Speaker 3: cannot use top one hundred picks on guys with medical

2619
02:01:29,738 --> 02:01:33,137
Speaker 3: flags and guys that win or guys that won't play

2620
02:01:33,218 --> 02:01:36,378
Speaker 3: or aren't designed to play in the upcoming season. Can't

2621
02:01:36,378 --> 02:01:38,778
Speaker 3: do it, can't afford to do it, Okay, I I had.

2622
02:01:38,778 --> 02:01:40,178
Speaker 2: That's how I feel. I bring it up.

2623
02:01:40,178 --> 02:01:41,418
Speaker 3: We have to know, we have to talk about it.

2624
02:01:41,538 --> 02:01:43,017
Speaker 3: We have to give our takes. We gave our takes

2625
02:01:43,018 --> 02:01:45,298
Speaker 3: on him. Although you're you're suddenly so in on a

2626
02:01:45,298 --> 02:01:47,178
Speaker 3: guy that played nobody, but you still won't give ash

2627
02:01:47,218 --> 02:01:49,937
Speaker 3: and genty the Oregon game. I find that interesting. Oregon's

2628
02:01:49,978 --> 02:01:51,738
Speaker 3: defense a lot better than I was defense.

2629
02:01:52,018 --> 02:01:55,338
Speaker 2: He's so he was. He was very impressive. I hate

2630
02:01:55,378 --> 02:01:57,738
Speaker 2: throwing out comps. You know that. I hate throwing up

2631
02:01:57,937 --> 02:02:03,338
Speaker 2: like crazy, crazy comps. But like one name that just

2632
02:02:03,458 --> 02:02:05,658
Speaker 2: kind of came to mind is watching him with Tyron Smith,

2633
02:02:06,058 --> 02:02:09,818
Speaker 2: like he's his film. He was that dominant all right

2634
02:02:09,937 --> 02:02:11,498
Speaker 2: against nobody, but he was that It.

2635
02:02:11,418 --> 02:02:13,458
Speaker 3: Would be great if they had the flexibility to take

2636
02:02:13,498 --> 02:02:16,178
Speaker 3: that risk. I don't think they do, especially if it's

2637
02:02:16,178 --> 02:02:17,097
Speaker 3: still Elliott Wolf.

2638
02:02:17,378 --> 02:02:17,818
Speaker 2: I hear you.

2639
02:02:17,897 --> 02:02:19,618
Speaker 3: I don't think they do. I have one recency bias.

2640
02:02:21,338 --> 02:02:23,578
Speaker 3: Matthew Golden, So I know you like guys a bond.

2641
02:02:23,778 --> 02:02:26,858
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's he was impressive. I might like Golden.

2642
02:02:26,858 --> 02:02:29,217
Speaker 2: I thought you, I thought you were gonna say Cam's Kataboo. Well,

2643
02:02:29,258 --> 02:02:33,937
Speaker 2: obviously should be a patriot, but no, I liked what

2644
02:02:33,978 --> 02:02:36,658
Speaker 2: I saw. So Matthew Golden, maybe this is where we

2645
02:02:36,698 --> 02:02:38,897
Speaker 2: meet in the middle. Because last week I asked you,

2646
02:02:38,937 --> 02:02:41,137
Speaker 2: what does Isaiah Bond do well besides be fast?

2647
02:02:41,178 --> 02:02:42,778
Speaker 3: And you couldn't give me any I don't have an answer.

2648
02:02:42,778 --> 02:02:44,937
Speaker 3: You don't have an answer. What is Matthew Golden do well? One,

2649
02:02:44,937 --> 02:02:47,658
Speaker 3: He's bigger, he's built for the NFL. I think he

2650
02:02:47,658 --> 02:02:50,418
Speaker 3: has more positional versatility, and I think he's a better

2651
02:02:50,458 --> 02:02:52,778
Speaker 3: route runner. I don't know that he's a great runner,

2652
02:02:52,818 --> 02:02:53,858
Speaker 3: but I think he's better.

2653
02:02:53,658 --> 02:02:56,458
Speaker 2: His body control and uh and obviously his ability to

2654
02:02:56,498 --> 02:02:59,297
Speaker 2: have when above the room with his lanth, yeah, is impressive.

2655
02:02:59,378 --> 02:03:01,698
Speaker 3: And he's I think he can play the Z or

2656
02:03:01,738 --> 02:03:04,858
Speaker 3: the slot. He gives you some flexibility. He's still explosive.

2657
02:03:04,897 --> 02:03:06,378
Speaker 3: I don't know that his forty is going to be

2658
02:03:06,378 --> 02:03:08,498
Speaker 3: as good as Isaiah Bond's, but yeah, I would put

2659
02:03:08,578 --> 02:03:11,858
Speaker 3: him in the explosive we're talking about Marvin Mims earlier. Yeah,

2660
02:03:11,897 --> 02:03:13,378
Speaker 3: he was a little I have to watch him a

2661
02:03:13,378 --> 02:03:13,858
Speaker 3: little closer.

2662
02:03:13,858 --> 02:03:15,538
Speaker 2: I don't know he's quite as fast as Marvin No,

2663
02:03:15,618 --> 02:03:16,498
Speaker 2: but he's fast.

2664
02:03:16,538 --> 02:03:18,538
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he's he's like, remember we said Ted

2665
02:03:18,618 --> 02:03:21,937
Speaker 3: McMillan isn't slow, but he's not fast. I'll call Matthew

2666
02:03:21,937 --> 02:03:25,258
Speaker 3: Golden fast. Okay, Right now, he's projected to be a

2667
02:03:25,298 --> 02:03:27,818
Speaker 3: Day three pick. I don't think that stands. He's going

2668
02:03:27,897 --> 02:03:30,218
Speaker 3: to be a Day two guy. Maybe more like late

2669
02:03:30,258 --> 02:03:33,178
Speaker 3: set and early third. But again, shouldn't be the only

2670
02:03:33,218 --> 02:03:35,458
Speaker 3: pick at wide receiver. Definitely shouldn't be the only pick.

2671
02:03:36,178 --> 02:03:37,698
Speaker 3: But if you go out and you get a DK

2672
02:03:37,778 --> 02:03:40,618
Speaker 3: Metcalf to here, so let's say they can't trade up

2673
02:03:41,218 --> 02:03:43,977
Speaker 3: for a booka right, ye Matthew Golden, I think would

2674
02:03:43,978 --> 02:03:46,177
Speaker 3: be another really good answer. Yeah, you know, Matthew Golden

2675
02:03:46,258 --> 02:03:47,937
Speaker 3: is if he comes out, he is a true junior.

2676
02:03:48,298 --> 02:03:51,378
Speaker 3: I could see him waiting, so that caveato.

2677
02:03:51,578 --> 02:03:54,057
Speaker 2: So he's gonna be in that same category and then

2678
02:03:54,058 --> 02:03:56,017
Speaker 2: we gotta go. But yeah, he's gonna be in the

2679
02:03:56,018 --> 02:03:59,097
Speaker 2: same category. To me, Matthew Golden as like the Trey

2680
02:03:59,138 --> 02:04:04,258
Speaker 2: Harris is. I can't pronounce the kid from Stanford's name. Uh, shoot,

2681
02:04:04,258 --> 02:04:07,458
Speaker 2: I can't do. I am minor Io manner. Yeah, yeah,

2682
02:04:07,458 --> 02:04:09,578
Speaker 2: I am manor Uh the Miami kid.

2683
02:04:10,178 --> 02:04:13,818
Speaker 3: Oh, I really like Ristreppo Yeastreo I might put Rastrepo

2684
02:04:13,897 --> 02:04:14,738
Speaker 3: in Golden.

2685
02:04:14,418 --> 02:04:16,778
Speaker 2: Savion Williams, like they're all gonna be in like this

2686
02:04:16,937 --> 02:04:21,578
Speaker 2: day two bucket, like it's gonna be McConkie poll Ke again,

2687
02:04:21,858 --> 02:04:22,578
Speaker 2: I might put.

2688
02:04:22,818 --> 02:04:25,177
Speaker 3: I might put Rostrepo and Golden like a step ahead

2689
02:04:25,178 --> 02:04:27,538
Speaker 3: of guys like Ao Manor and and Trey Harris.

2690
02:04:27,698 --> 02:04:29,698
Speaker 2: Rostreppa reminds me a lot of Khalil Share, which is

2691
02:04:29,698 --> 02:04:30,418
Speaker 2: a compliment by the.

2692
02:04:30,937 --> 02:04:34,578
Speaker 3: I am a super lazy comp, but I have a

2693
02:04:34,618 --> 02:04:39,458
Speaker 3: super lazy comp. It's Ricky Piersoll. Okay, remember my whole

2694
02:04:39,458 --> 02:04:42,218
Speaker 3: thing last year is Ricky Piersoll plays the position angry. Yeah,

2695
02:04:42,658 --> 02:04:43,738
Speaker 3: Xavier strep I mean it.

2696
02:04:43,818 --> 02:04:45,698
Speaker 2: Kind of close your care. It's a little I guess

2697
02:04:45,738 --> 02:04:48,818
Speaker 2: I see a little with him. Anyways, our Streppo is

2698
02:04:48,818 --> 02:04:51,378
Speaker 2: also bigger. Yeah, he's a good player. He's gonna be

2699
02:04:51,418 --> 02:04:53,818
Speaker 2: a good player in the league. Uh. Okay, so that

2700
02:04:54,138 --> 02:04:57,017
Speaker 2: does it for us. Here. We're gonna go watch Georgia

2701
02:04:57,058 --> 02:05:00,017
Speaker 2: Notre damn here, I'm sure in a second, and uh

2702
02:05:00,058 --> 02:05:01,977
Speaker 2: and we're gonna have plenty of this draft talk. We

2703
02:05:02,098 --> 02:05:04,698
Speaker 2: got a ton of emails anymore, Thank you so much

2704
02:05:04,698 --> 02:05:06,658
Speaker 2: for all the emails. We didn't get to quite all

2705
02:05:06,698 --> 02:05:08,738
Speaker 2: of them, but I tried to bake them all into

2706
02:05:08,738 --> 02:05:11,418
Speaker 2: the show more months. And look, there's a lot of

2707
02:05:11,498 --> 02:05:14,698
Speaker 2: you guys that are emailing in that have these elaborate,

2708
02:05:14,978 --> 02:05:18,418
Speaker 2: like bullet point off season plans Like I would love

2709
02:05:18,458 --> 02:05:20,498
Speaker 2: to read those emails on the air. It's just not

2710
02:05:20,538 --> 02:05:24,138
Speaker 2: gonna be great radio, folks, So I apologize, but your

2711
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2712
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2719
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