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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio here.

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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast.

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Speaker 3: We absolutely are loving this season of life in podcasting

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Speaker 3: and in Bachelor Nation. We're having a blast with this.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's probably as much fun as I've had

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Speaker 3: doing this podcast since maybe the first or second year.

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Speaker 3: So today we're breaking down well, Bachelor in Paradise, which

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Speaker 3: Ashley and I both agree was a tremendous episode.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic episode.

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Speaker 5: But you know why because people we care about a

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Speaker 5: lot were very heavily present in this episode. There were

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Speaker 5: there were the leads, to be honest, you know, we

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Speaker 5: had a lot of Rachel time. I like Rachel more

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Speaker 5: and more every time.

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Speaker 2: I s great, Absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we also got a lot of Katie

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Speaker 5: Thurston and Blake, two people that we also have spent

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Speaker 5: hours and hours watching. So I thought that those were

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Speaker 5: two really compelled storylines in this episode. There was a

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Speaker 5: little bit of a little boring side. The most boring

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Speaker 5: part for me was watching the double date between Sam

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Speaker 5: and Peter because Sam and Peter were not really invested

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Speaker 5: in and.

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Speaker 4: Then with Kylie and Avin.

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Speaker 5: Now Kylie Navian was nice to see some development in

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Speaker 5: their relationship, because you know, we feel like they're probably

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Speaker 5: one of the stronger couples, but we haven't seen a

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Speaker 5: ton from them. And then, just to go into the

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Speaker 5: sequential ordering of the episode, then Katie comes down. That's

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Speaker 5: super interesting, and then the roast happens. Now, the roast

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Speaker 5: is interesting. So Tanner Tolbert brought up to Jared during

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Speaker 5: Chris and Lauren's wedding festivities fift festivities that he says,

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Speaker 5: isn't like the way that most of the drama this

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Speaker 5: season is coming from seemingly produced segments like, of course,

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Speaker 5: you guys, it's produced that Katie Thurston is going to

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Speaker 5: come down and lead a comedic roast, like the contestants

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Speaker 5: didn't on their own come up with a comedic roast, right,

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Speaker 5: And then the other thing is the secrets box, And

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Speaker 5: we had a secrets box segment this episode two. So

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Speaker 5: I get it, But I also think that's probably there's

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Speaker 5: probably not a lot going on, just because I don't

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Speaker 5: think this this group really feels each other enough for

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Speaker 5: there to be like a ton of authentic drama.

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Speaker 2: So let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, this is a great episode to break down we're

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Speaker 3: gonna start with part one, which we'll consider part one

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Speaker 3: Michael's Date.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we left on a cliffhanger last week Michael's Date.

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Speaker 4: I forgot about that.

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Speaker 3: We didn't know who Michael was going to choose. We

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Speaker 3: knew that Olivia felt like, in our opinion, the right

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Speaker 3: one for him. We do see Kat not surprisingly fully

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Speaker 3: supporting the idea that Michael would go on a date

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Speaker 3: with Olivia.

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Speaker 4: Because Kat wants to be home alone with.

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Speaker 3: John Henry. She just wants to make out with John Henry.

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Speaker 3: She wants Olivia away. So we get to Michael's date,

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Speaker 3: and who does Michael pick. Michael picks Olivia.

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Speaker 4: And you're right, Michael does pick Olivia.

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Speaker 5: Last week I was saying he wasn't going to for

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Speaker 5: drama's sake, but I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: I was kind of convinced with you too, Like I

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Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I think he's gonna pick Olivia because

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Speaker 3: it's really the only one that makes sense here, like

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Speaker 3: nobody else really makes sense. However, I could see it

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Speaker 3: going the opposite direction. I will say this, just add

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Speaker 3: this in. I was not shocked that he picked Olivia,

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Speaker 3: because there is no way in chance the show wants

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Speaker 3: Olivia to go home. She is too much of the

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Speaker 3: show and she's too good on this show.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's unfortunate though, it's so late in the season that, like,

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Speaker 5: even though the two of them will exchange ross or whatever,

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Speaker 5: it's the girls giving out the ross this week, which

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Speaker 5: we don't see the rose ceremony, but we go into

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Speaker 5: the lead in We're not gonna see a lot of them.

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Speaker 5: They're not gonna make it. This is not gonna be

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Speaker 5: an engaged couple. He comes in too late. Olivia is

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Speaker 5: very taken by him though, and Olivia is just absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 4: She goes ring sigh to.

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Speaker 5: Be determined, but I'm about to be taken And then

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Speaker 5: right after saying that, and yes, it's probably clipped this

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Speaker 5: way either way, she's in an interviewing go and dog

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Speaker 5: about this man, and then the producer goes, what's his

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Speaker 5: name again?

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Speaker 4: She forgets the man's name.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so freaking funny.

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Speaker 5: She just keeps saying, like, this is an attractive man.

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Speaker 5: That's a good looking man.

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Speaker 3: She's so funny, she's great, she's been good for Paradise.

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Speaker 3: This is really her element. Well, they do kiss, Olivia

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Speaker 3: and Michael do kiss. There is some excitement. As you said,

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Speaker 3: we're pretty far through the season, so who knows how

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Speaker 3: this ends, but we do know that there's some excitement

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Speaker 3: when it comes to that couple. And here are the

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Speaker 3: other couples that currently exist on the beach at this point,

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Speaker 3: Kat and John, Henry, Avan and Kylie, Aaron and Eliza,

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Speaker 3: Blake and Jess, Sam and Peter, Mercedes and Tyler, Michael

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Speaker 3: and Olivia, now Tanner and Rachel. But we do have

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Speaker 3: two new arrivals. We have two new guys showing up

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Speaker 3: to the beach, Jordan and Taylor.

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Speaker 5: Taylor was a eliminated Night one of Charity season and

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Speaker 5: he's actually of a couple of night winners and we

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Speaker 5: get it, there's always one night winner that the producers

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Speaker 5: were like, oh, that's unfortunate they got eliminated. Will definitely

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Speaker 5: have them back for Paradise. I think Olivia is also

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Speaker 5: a night winner. But having this guy Taylor, who has

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Speaker 5: absolutely no personality and it's just filling a spot. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: come on, guys, you couldn't convince one other of Charity

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Speaker 5: or another Bachelorette seasons guys to come on this show.

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Speaker 5: It's feeling, it's feeling weird that it does feel some

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Speaker 5: people are willing to come on the show now.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is odd because there's so many people. I

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Speaker 3: bet if we sat down long enough and said, hey,

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Speaker 3: like who would we like to see on Paradise. There's

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Speaker 3: so many people that we didn't see this year on

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Speaker 3: Paradise that I know you and I have both wanted

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Speaker 3: to be there, and it does. I mean, it used

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Speaker 3: to be kind of crazy if a Night Winner was

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Speaker 3: brought to the beach, right, I mean, it was a

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Speaker 4: It's usually just a standard one, always one.

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Speaker 3: But this year we've had a lot of contestants, so

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Speaker 3: we just aren't connected with Like Bachelor Nation is having

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Speaker 3: to going to Google and say, you know, Taylor Charity

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Speaker 3: season just to figure out who it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, uh huh Okay.

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Speaker 5: So Taylor comes in, but he comes in with Jordan,

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Speaker 5: who I do remember quite vividly from Rachel and Gaby

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Speaker 5: season because Jordan was that very adorable guy race car driver,

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Speaker 5: made a seriously good first impression night one and then

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Speaker 5: in this episode, Rachel admits that she made a mistake

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Speaker 5: in eliminating him so early. Should have given him more

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Speaker 5: when Jordan gets the date guard and they do and

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Speaker 5: they do Tandric yoga, and it is the they got chemistry.

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Speaker 5: They have mad chemistry, and they also kiss on their

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Speaker 5: first date back a year and a half ago.

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Speaker 2: But didn't we say this, like Ashley, We were.

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Speaker 4: Like, Rachel, what, Rachel?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 4: You guys have something?

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Speaker 5: I I think maybe she was just taking her role

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Speaker 5: was like, if I don't see him as my husband

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Speaker 5: at this point, then I have to eliminate him, because

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Speaker 5: I'm assuming it's like a learning process. It was her

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Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody should have gotten in her ear though, been like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: even if you don't think he has yet, he's good

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Speaker 3: enough to give him time. And obviously there was chemistry.

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Speaker 3: I mean this date it radiates chemistry for me. I

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Speaker 3: Granted, I don't think he had a lot of choices, right,

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Speaker 3: there's not a lot of single people still on the beach.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that he was willing to give it a

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Speaker 3: second shot, he was lingering.

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Speaker 5: Okay for both of them, like oh, we have to

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Speaker 5: for too long. She was so happy to get the

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Speaker 4: Why I was shocked.

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Speaker 5: When she comes home, Tanner brings up the fact that like, Oh,

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Speaker 5: I'm just I was kind of disappointed to see you

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Speaker 5: go on the date because I gave you my Rose

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Speaker 5: the Roast ceremony the night before because I was in

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Speaker 5: you know, she said, he said that, and then she

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Speaker 5: was like, but I thought it was like a friendship Rose,

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, Rachel, what what do you mean a

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Speaker 5: friendship ros? You guys had a sexy makeout before that

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Speaker 5: roads was handed to you. That was a really hot makeout.

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Speaker 3: you're attractive, I'm attractive. You want to make out.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like a I felt like friends. I don't

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Speaker 3: I think it would feel more like, hey, you and

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Speaker 3: I are both on the beach, were the two single

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Speaker 3: people here. You're attractive, I'm attractive. I want to have

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Speaker 3: make out they did. I just didn't feel like it

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Speaker 2: Yes? Do I think there was any type of relationship here?

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Speaker 2: Not at all.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was significant because his that kiss made

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Speaker 5: him in some way not choose Davia, who he was

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Speaker 5: gaga over before the date, during the date, supposedly after

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Speaker 5: really likes Rachel. So I was confused why Rachel didn't

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Speaker 3: And that's interesting and very true. Something happened between him

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Speaker 3: and Davia that ended it, and we just want to

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Speaker 3: see it. And that was the frustrating part about last week.

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Speaker 3: We felt like there was too many like loose ends

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Speaker 3: that we just didn't get any clarity to. That was

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Speaker 3: maybe one of the most confusing to us, was Okay,

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Speaker 3: this was such a good relationship and then all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden it's done. We don't know, we don't see

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Speaker 3: them have a discussion. We don't see them talk about it.

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Speaker 3: We don't see them have any type of separation and breakup.

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Speaker 3: And honestly, when he met with Rachel, I thought it

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Speaker 3: was more in the perspective of you and I are

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Speaker 3: both don't have anybody here at this point, like do

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Speaker 3: you want to hang out? So at that point when

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Speaker 3: and they sat down together, I think Davey and Tanner

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, alrighty, So anyway, I love all this with

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Speaker 5: Rachel because again, I just like really like watching her

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Speaker 5: and I just think she's a sweet soul. And Okay,

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Speaker 5: so basically Tanner says that first thing, and then they

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Speaker 2: No, we can move on.

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Speaker 5: Yes, did we see like they're ten minutes of a

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Speaker 4: But there's something there.

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Speaker 3: But Katie and Blake weren't there yet after four weeks

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Speaker 5: Has anybody barely you had one moment of somebody stealing

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Speaker 4: You've been fine.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've just been a fan of that relationship since

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Speaker 4: Just never felt the happy couple in them.

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Speaker 3: You know, Katie wasn't just there to meet with Blake.

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Speaker 2: It's still a thing. And she leads a roast obviously.

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Speaker 3: Because as we've talked to Katy about, she is a

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Speaker 3: everything they possibly can to make people talk smack on

442
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Speaker 3: each other.

443
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Speaker 5: Well, yes, that's what I was saying earlier with Tanner.

444
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 5: Tolbert was saying, it just feels like weird dow scenes

445
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 5: to create drama.

446
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 3: But like drama does, if there's no drama, a monkst

447
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: these couples then tell us the.

448
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 4: Storyline feelings aren't big enough.

449
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the feelings aren't big enough where you didn't

450
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: cast it properly or you know whatever. But I think

451
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 3: there's been enough drama on the show for me to

452
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 3: be entertained. You know, we've have Braiden, We've had some

453
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 3: drama with Cat, We've had some drama with Olivia. There's

454
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: been enough drama for me to be entertained. It just

455
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: feels so synthetic to me when you're like, here's a

456
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: box that you can talk bad about somebody in and

457
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: never be known, and here's a roast that we can

458
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: all just like roast each other and talk and like

459
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 3: make fun of each other and just see if anything

460
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Speaker 3: comes from it.

461
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Speaker 2: And to me, it's kind of dirty.

462
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was really this was hard. I was audibly

463
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 5: being like, oh ah, best part was even impersonating Rachel,

464
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 5: and that was just fine.

465
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 4: That's a little sweet impersonation. But there are certain things.

466
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: I was like, like, Cat, I mean Cat, we you know,

467
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: in our headline episode this week, we talked about how

468
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 3: Cat asked calls for kindness.

469
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: Now, I get it.

470
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: Kat has definitely been outrageous on this season of the Bachelorette.

471
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: We've talked about it here, we'll continue to talk about it.

472
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: Her behavior has not been one that we've been like, yeah,

473
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: go Kat, like we totally understand what you're doing and

474
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: we totally agree with everything you're saying. But like, obviously,

475
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: Kat is what the show should know. If you're the

476
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: kind of the villain on a season, and you know

477
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: that's gonna be hard enough when people watch it for

478
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: that contestant, don't make it even harder by, you know,

479
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 3: getting like the verbal words being said from other castmates.

480
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Aaron calls her red flag. Blake says she's

481
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: full of shit. Tanner says her face wasn't moving from

482
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Speaker 3: because of all the botox she gets.

483
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: Olivia says, then she was like, yeah, so it's working

484
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: and it's good.

485
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, girl, I get it.

486
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: It just still has to It still hurts. It still

487
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: hurts enough, and you hear it. I don't know at

488
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: this point if Kat is understanding that, yes, actually not

489
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: everybody agrees with everything she's doing. I still think that's

490
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Speaker 3: a question I have.

491
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Speaker 2: But I don't know. It's this whole thing feels dirty

492
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: to me. It just just feels unnecessary.

493
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 5: I just mentioned that even making fun of the way

494
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 5: that Rachel sometimes talks was fun, and that was like

495
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 5: exactly the way it should be, is like lighthearted. The

496
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 5: one that comes later forget who says it says that

497
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 5: like what's wrong with Rachel? She was the bachelorette and

498
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 5: now she had thirty three guys to choose from, and

499
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 5: now she has a whole beach full and she still

500
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 5: can't find one. Like that was just really mean and like,

501
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 5: what are you even talking about? Plenty of guys have

502
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 5: shown interest in.

503
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: Her, Yeah, And I mean I think also it's very mean.

504
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: First off, second, off, she's singles, so why shouldn't she

505
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 3: be there? And she isn't like any better than any

506
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 3: of you, and she's not any worse than any of you.

507
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 3: You've all been rejected on this show, you've all had

508
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 3: a breakup from the show, so you're all on an

509
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: equal playing field. And took Rachel's credit. She has handled Paradise,

510
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: not like she is above anybody else. She's handled it

511
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: just like everybody else. And I think that is to

512
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: her credit and something admirable that she didn't come down

513
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: and be like, I'm the bachelorette, so like, yeah, boys

514
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: flock to me, that's not a thing.

515
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

516
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 5: And then there was also a comment again about Mercedes,

517
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 5: about just Tyler not liking Mercedes, and.

518
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 4: Again Tyler smiles and laughs.

519
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I guess you really don't like her,

520
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 5: but now your reactions making it even more cruel. All

521
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 5: this is not addressed really yet, because it seems everybody

522
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 5: runs off crying, okay, and then they go to bed.

523
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: The next day they're separated as the girls and the

524
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 5: guys are before a rose ceremony, they come together and

525
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 5: this is where it'll all be pretty much addressed in

526
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 5: the pre pre Rose Ceremony cocktail party. And the only

527
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 5: thing we really get teased going into it though, is

528
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 5: Blake pulling Jess aside and she's like, I'm scared, I'm scared,

529
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 5: and he is pulling her to the breakup bed. So

530
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 5: many breakups have happened on that far side bed, and uh,

531
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Speaker 5: this is where he says like he has spent so

532
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 5: much more time with her, but with Katie he knew

533
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 5: by now, and he says he should feel he should

534
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 5: feel like he knows with her by now, and we'll

535
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 5: see how the rest of the conversation unfolds.

536
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another teaser. The roast really set a weird

537
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: vibe for me.

538
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 5: It was like, really, I mean, I totally feel you.

539
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 5: I totally feel I would be so uncomfortable in that situation.

540
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 5: I could never even say those things.

541
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: Really want those things said about me, so I don't

542
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: want to say about anybody else. It just reminds me

543
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: like that there's people behind the scenes watching this.

544
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: How did they feel okay about this?

545
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: Everybody was very emotional, like they were obviously feeling very

546
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: down on themselves, and You're sitting back and like, hey, dad,

547
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: this worked like perfect everybody had a big reaction. It's like, no,

548
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 3: this is unfair to them. You set them up for this.

549
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: There was I mean, I guess yes. It goes back

550
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: to what I always say. You as a contestant could

551
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: have said no, I'm not doing this, like I'm just

552
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 3: not participating, right.

553
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: You had that ability.

554
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: However, not everybody has the confidence or maybe the knowledge

555
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: of the show, especially the night winterers, to put their

556
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: foot down and be like, no, not doing this, not participating.

557
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: This seems terrible from every angle. I didn't like it.

558
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: I didn't agree with it. I don't think it was

559
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: a good date. I hope they never do it again.

560
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: And I think all it was ever going to do

561
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: was going to cause more drama, more pain, probably some

562
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: more insecurities. It's gonna probably bring up some stuff about

563
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: you know, each individual person that they've tried to either

564
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: move on from or heal from. And for me, I

565
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: think it's absolutely ridiculous.

566
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: Can't go on.

567
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 5: Now I'm realizing I actually really really don't like ros

568
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 5: I don't find the ones on Comedy Central, funny, stand

569
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 5: up comedy, make fun of something for a few minutes,

570
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 5: and then move on. Nobody needs to be roasted.

571
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: Right, okay, And then just a few things we didn't

572
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: mention throughout the rest of the recap is Eliza and

573
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 4: Aaron b decide that they are officially boyfriend and girlfriend,

574
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 4: which is hilarious because in a couple of days they

575
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 4: could be officially fiancees. And then we also.

576
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 5: Got from Avon and Kylie that they are falling for

577
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 5: each other. And then there's Sam and Peter, who are

578
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: really coasting by and actually seem relatively strong. But I

579
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: don't think we expect much from them for some reason. Again,

580
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 5: I think it's just people we don't really know, so

581
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 5: we just kind of brush them aside no offense this point.

582
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: They're my favorite to get engaged.

583
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, I have no I like have like

584
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: what two picks, and I'm like, I think Avian and

585
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: Kyler are going to engage because they feel like a couple. Yeah,

586
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: every year that's going to get engaged at the end

587
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: of this because they're hardly shown, we don't see a lot.

588
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: We see snippets, and then like the last episode is

589
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: going to be all about them, which is fantastic, and

590
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: they're going to do is like a little monologue through

591
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: their relationship, and I'll be like, oh, that's cool that

592
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: they said that to each other that wasn't shown.

593
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna be like, yeah, they'll be engage.

594
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: They seem in love.

595
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: But it's so weird this season in Paradise, Like usually

596
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: there's five couples that were like, goodness, gracious, this feels

597
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: like something special, we just don't have it right now.

598
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: And somebody is a breakup. I bet you have. It's

599
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: a shock breakup. It will either be Kylie. Yeah, it'll

600
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: be Kylie, It'll.

601
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: Be one of the two couples still together.

602
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: Okay, so here's my call.

603
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 5: One of those two couples will break up and the

604
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 5: other one will get engaged. And then there's that thing

605
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 5: that we mentioned last week. Will there actually be a

606
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 5: wedding like they teased or will it be some random

607
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 5: wedding at the Vendanta that they run into.

608
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 3: I think it's a random wedding at this point. I

609
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: do it just and it feels weird, Like what next,

610
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: you know, next week or whenever the next episode is,

611
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: We're going to tune in and all of a sudden

612
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: there's a wedding in Paradise, like they haven't it just

613
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: be a really weird wedding to have, and there's been no.

614
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 4: Likely Will you be my wife actually tomorrow?

615
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will marry me today. Anyways, this has been

616
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: another episode of Bachelor in Paradise. Again. We thought this

617
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: episode was better than most. It was engaging, it was intriguing.

618
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: There was some other storylines I just personally cannot promote

619
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: or get behind the roast. I think it was unnecessary.

620
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: I thought this episode was really good on its own

621
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: without that, I did not think they needed it. And

622
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: I thought it was trying too hard to do too

623
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: much in kind of the realm of pain and insecurity,

624
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: and I just think that the show shows better than

625
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: that at this point.

626
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a little bit of a trash

627
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: TV moment, right.

628
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It just didn't feel like it fit.

629
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: But hey, that's me and that's why I sit behind

630
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: this Mike, and I don't have a job on the show.

631
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: I really have no say so.

632
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: Anyways, until next time, we'll be breaking down a ton

633
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: of stuff this week. We've got some great episodes coming out.

634
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: We got some great interviews with some couples who had

635
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: just gotten married. We have the headlines out, we have

636
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor to break down. Obviously, we just broke down Paradise.

637
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: There's so much good going on, ash We're busy.

638
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 4: All right, seeya bye.

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640
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