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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio, Zaren.

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Speaker 2: Do I know you?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Zaren?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I do know you. Elizabeth Hey, I had to

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Speaker 2: look over my newspaper that I'm reading.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see you know it's ridiculous, I do. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Lawn Chair Larry. You ever heard of this cat?

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Speaker 2: No lawnchair Larry Walters. That's his government name, the Larry

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Speaker 2: Walter's part, not lawnchair, that part street name. Anyway. In

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, lawnchair Larry decided, you know what, I

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Speaker 2: want to be the first man person to ever go

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Speaker 2: up into the wild blue yonder and fly a lawn chair.

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Speaker 2: And so he did just that. He tied forty weather

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Speaker 2: balloons to a lawn chair. What and he got up

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Speaker 2: to sixteen thousand feet.

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Speaker 3: It's like proto balloon boy.

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Speaker 2: In his launchair. Yes. So he had these eight foot

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Speaker 2: helium filled weather balloons, right, and so they're attached to

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Speaker 2: a Sear's aluminum lawnchair, you know, you know, the type

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Speaker 2: early eighties lawnchair.

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Speaker 3: Good quality.

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Speaker 2: He had the chair tilted back at a forty five

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Speaker 2: degree angle so he wouldn't like fall out and he's

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Speaker 2: not just sitting prone proper you know the lean back. Now,

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Speaker 2: he had a jug gallons of water that was his

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Speaker 2: ballast that he was going to use to like get

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Speaker 2: down or get up. You know, so he's like pouring

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Speaker 2: out water or adding water. I don't anyway you get Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So he called his aircraft the Inspiration one, and he

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Speaker 2: stocked the the drink service with cold beer.

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Speaker 2: He had a CBE radio. He had an altimeter, so

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Speaker 2: you know how high you up he got. He had

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Speaker 2: a camera. He had a pelagon. Why a pelagon not

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Speaker 2: for birds, Elizabeth, I didn't want you to worry. That

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Speaker 2: was to be able to see get up a controlled descent.

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Speaker 2: He'd yet out shoot out the balloons and so was controlled.

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Speaker 2: This is like my kind of plan. I'm gonna shoot

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Speaker 2: the balloon down.

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Speaker 3: You kind of planting. But so he did you have

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Speaker 3: like a cooler strap to the bottom for his beer.

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Speaker 2: I think it was just like a small little like

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Speaker 2: cozy cozy style, like I don't know. He flew for

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Speaker 2: a long time. I mean he was up there. No,

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Speaker 2: he eventually he eventually did come down, say mind you

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Speaker 2: and pilots at Lax saw him like he was way

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Speaker 2: sixteen thousand feet and he was like in the airspace.

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Speaker 2: He was up there like I think he's up there

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Speaker 2: about forty five minutes, and then he decided, Okay, I

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Speaker 2: think I'm brave enough now to shoot some of the

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Speaker 2: balloons out. See if I can do this landing plan

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Speaker 2: I came up with and he landed and it totally worked.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, when he was at Hollywood High

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Speaker 2: he had done a science project called hydrogen in Balloons.

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Speaker 2: He got a D on that project. They proved that

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Speaker 2: teacher wrong.

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Speaker 3: That is ridiculous, Larry, that's so ridiculous. Do you know

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Speaker 3: what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I love what's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Getting arrested and sent to Alcatraz for shaking someone's hand?

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Speaker 3: What this is ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 3: Heis.

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Speaker 4: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You damn right.

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Speaker 4: You know who Emma Goldman is, right? Yeah, she's an anarchist,

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Speaker 4: or was an anarchist. When we say anarchists, this isn't

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Speaker 4: like the popular perception of it.

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Speaker 2: She didn't wear dress in black and.

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Speaker 4: She were studded black denim vest.

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Speaker 2: She's in the black block, yes, with.

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Speaker 4: An anarchy symbol in THEA and just healed me him.

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Speaker 3: Anarchy And I don't even know what it means, but

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Speaker 4: So anyway, it's not destroying property for no reason.

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Speaker 2: No, it's it was a political stance in the end

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Speaker 2: of the nineteenth century that really well, yeah.

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Speaker 4: You're stepping away from imposed structures, hierarchies, and you're just

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Speaker 2: Part, and also using a lot of mutual aid and

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Speaker 4: And that sounds super peaceful, yeah, but not so fast.

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Speaker 4: Just with any ism, they're good aspects, bad aspects.

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Speaker 2: It had a radical aspect of violence that yeah, right.

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Speaker 4: So they were interested in dismantling the seats of power

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Speaker 4: over to the common people, the workers, yes, every day.

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Speaker 3: Folk like you and me.

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Speaker 2: This get parallel to communism in terms of like giving

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Speaker 2: people to the power to the people. Yeah, in a

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Speaker 4: But like obviously the seats of power didn't like this.

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Speaker 4: People in charge don't like when people try and take

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Speaker 4: power away, so they hit back hard and they created

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Speaker 4: a lot of misinformation for the public about what anarchism.

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Speaker 2: We still deal with that too to this day. The

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Speaker 2: whole anti socialist, anti anarchism messaging we.

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Speaker 4: Still deal with, and that took away people's ability to

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Speaker 4: gauge it for themselves, because it's not not everyone's gonna

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Speaker 4: have to be able to assess things, like analyze them

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Speaker 2: Our own, to be able to say that's a penguin,

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Speaker 4: We should be the ones to decide whether we think

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Speaker 4: it's good or bad exactly. It's like when I was

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Speaker 4: to change the station like super quick, and I told her, no, no, no, sup,

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Speaker 4: I like this song. I'd never heard it before, only

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Speaker 4: those opening bars. Right then she switched the station anyway,

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Speaker 4: and she told me it was garbage and that I

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Speaker 4: didn't you don't like this song.

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Speaker 2: And you're not going to get on the bus go

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Speaker 2: She said, no.

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Speaker 3: One liked it.

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Speaker 4: It was the bee Gees, and I didn't listen to

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Speaker 3: It was garbage. I mean she was right, of course,

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Speaker 2: And let others with that charming Australian falsetto there is

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Speaker 3: You, apparently, I was told it's garbage.

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Speaker 4: So but like, you can't let people you know, treat

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Speaker 4: figure grown up exactly. And it's important to remember that

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Speaker 4: very few things are all good or all bad, so

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Speaker 4: their life is shades of grapes. I love uncertainty, I

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Speaker 4: really do anyway. Emma Golden she was born in eighteen

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Speaker 3: Family was super poor.

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Speaker 4: Her father didn't believe that women should be educated, so

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Speaker 4: she had to educate herself in secret.

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Speaker 2: Was she raised in a Jewish program?

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Speaker 3: Do we know not?

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Speaker 4: But not in a program, but she she's a Jewish

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Speaker 4: student coming this fall to CBS, so she read what

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Speaker 4: The Tsar thought of himself as like progressive, but at least

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Speaker 2: It was a low bar to clear right, like I'm

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Speaker 2: not trampling your neighbors with horses. I'm progressive.

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Speaker 4: That people didn't agree with them, You're not progressive. They

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Speaker 3: Royalty or like an out of touch bloodline that you know.

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Speaker 2: Away, you know, yeah, had no awareness of what they

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Speaker 4: Day to day exactly. So they wanted to decide their

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Speaker 4: In fact, they went so far as too, I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: We were talking about that earlier. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: the anarchists assassinated by an anarchist between eighteen eighty and

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Speaker 3: This happens a lot.

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Speaker 4: It was gruesome, by the way, so it was horrible,

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Speaker 4: a horrible desk. Goldman, though, saw firsthand what's called propaganda

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Speaker 4: ruling class. Intended to start a revelation, and I just

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Speaker 4: loved the propaganda of the deed right. So it didn't

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Speaker 4: the assassination by bombing of Alexander the Second, but it

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Speaker 4: Goldman immigrated to the US. It was eighteen eighty five.

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Speaker 4: eighteen eighty six. She saw that anarchy wasn't just in Russia.

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Speaker 4: Very international, super elegant, international, anarchist. It's all like Saint Petersburg, Rochester.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he was.

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Speaker 4: They lived with her parents and she left him twice

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Speaker 4: and the parents thought that was loose behavior. Like she

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Speaker 3: I'm out of here.

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Speaker 2: We I didn't want her to read so I can

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Speaker 4: So she leaves Rochester goes to New York City and

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Speaker 4: it was there that she started hearing speeches given by

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Speaker 4: other anarchists. And those guys are all fired up.

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Speaker 2: We're talking like street corners speeches.

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Speaker 4: Right, you know, in like like a Squashington Square park

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Speaker 3: She's all head up about it. I like this.

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Speaker 4: So she saw the power of the spoken word and

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Speaker 2: And they were some fiery orators, I mean, like Lucy

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Speaker 4: So she still had to fight for gender equality even

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Speaker 4: in the anarchist move and like, the more she fought,

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Speaker 4: the fire more fiery she got. So she and her

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Speaker 4: special friend Alexander Berkman, they focused particularly on rights and

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Speaker 4: protections for workers. It was their big emphasis. So they

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Speaker 4: they had all these efficiencies. How do they want to

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Speaker 4: don't worry they weren't successful. This is not one percent.

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Speaker 4: So the higher ups in the anarchist movement, though, they

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Speaker 3: So they attack him. They don't, they don't.

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Speaker 4: He's not killed, and it doesn't. But this attack doesn't

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Speaker 4: So as the US economy hit the skids in eighteen

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Speaker 3: So people who were they were all.

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Speaker 2: And also at that time in America, you have a

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Speaker 4: And so she gets she gets found guilty for trying

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Speaker 3: She's just like Axl Rose, Just.

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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, how many times have we said that,

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Speaker 4: Actual Rose, you know, two sides of the same coin.

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Speaker 4: So but she got a year, not the probation like

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Speaker 4: That's how she gets it. So jail time didn't suppress

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're even more eager to hear her.

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Speaker 2: Speak and now you can raise money off of this.

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Speaker 4: But also it's like if you hear that this woman

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Speaker 2: This is an amazing the parallel so crazy. Who's her slash?

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Speaker 4: So, speaking to crowds of people, she's like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: So she supported a woman's access to birth control, which

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Speaker 4: She believed in free love like before the hippies, Oh,

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Speaker 3: On give you time to that. She believed in gay rights,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, completely completely did you even call gay rights? Was

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Speaker 4: Some sort of coding of like love and dirt. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm over here with like confirmed bachelor rights,

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Speaker 4: Anyway, yes, and of course like she also believed that

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Speaker 2: In a lot of ways would be on her side.

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Speaker 4: That's true, that's true. So she talked a lot about this,

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Speaker 4: but she never performed any act of violence herself. Of those,

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Speaker 2: I don't just kind of I think that's a cop

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Speaker 4: I'm suspicious of someone who rallies others to do stuff

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Speaker 2: Especially as all that they won't pay. Like, I respect

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Speaker 2: I'll take care of your family, go to jail. But

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Speaker 4: The violence, talk about the mafia, the Don has done

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Speaker 4: stuff to get to that position totally.

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Speaker 2: It was like it's an understanding language of violence.

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Speaker 3: Right, and so this is the like you just get okay,

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Speaker 2: You're just spout in your mouth saying it's not.

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Speaker 4: Really different than like suicide bombers, like go out there

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Speaker 2: I was going to a couple of steps and like

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Speaker 2: they're on their keyboard, like the keyboard Warriors. But they

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Speaker 3: Say something in person to someone's face.

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Speaker 2: But yours is well met too.

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Speaker 3: It always is.

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Speaker 4: So, so even the people who didn't agree with her

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Speaker 3: No, they weren't. They weren't about it.

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Speaker 4: So they sent spies to watch her every move, their spies,

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Speaker 4: and to watch it's spy versus spy, and to watch

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Speaker 4: in eighteen sixty nine, like I said, Goldman was born

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just dropping that in there, why not?

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Speaker 3: And then also whoburg everyone around the globe who was

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Speaker 2: Sent was a man born in New Deviles.

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Speaker 3: Well, this William Balde.

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Speaker 4: He moved to the US two years before Emma Goldman did.

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Speaker 3: He was fourteen by Billy b His.

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Speaker 4: Family emigrated to Michigan. His parents only spoke Dutch, never

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Speaker 2: So he joined to like post eighteen ninety seven panic

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Speaker 3: And he was a great soldier.

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Speaker 4: He had an excellent record of service, lauded by his

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Speaker 3: On all the boomer lyrics.

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Speaker 4: believe it or not. They'd seen some action in South

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Speaker 4: For now, the Presidio is just a storied out post.

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Speaker 2: Located clean our guns.

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Speaker 4: And William Bewilda, as I said, was stationed there.

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Speaker 4: Break, beautiful place, I'm just telling random biographies.

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Speaker 4: When we come back, i'll tell you how and why

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm guessing there's a crime too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, feeling groovies erin o easy breezy. You know.

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Speaker 4: When we left off William Bewalda he was stationed at

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Speaker 4: Emma Goldman.

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Speaker 3: EG.

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Speaker 4: She was on tour, lighting up audiences with her screaming lyrics.

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Speaker 3: She's like, you know what equality class warfare?

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Speaker 4: Oh, she howled all the time on stage.

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Speaker 3: Goldman.

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Speaker 4: She got to San Francisco on April seventeenth, nineteen oh eight.

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Speaker 4: She had just spoken two nights prior in Sacramento, Sacramento,

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Speaker 4: as we say Tomato exactly, it's about ninety miles from

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Speaker 4: San Francisco. The Sacramento mayor's wife was very displeased that

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Speaker 3: She didn't think that.

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Speaker 4: Her husband should have allowed Goldman to speak in the

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Speaker 4: down about it publicly. Her She's like, quote, I have

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Speaker 4: see why she should be allowed to speak here. She's

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Speaker 4: like this clown I'm married to over here. I think

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Speaker 4: they're all poop. So the mayor, he just smiles and

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Speaker 4: But this is what he says on his way out

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Speaker 4: I have confidence in the good sense of our people,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think Emma Goldman, by her speeches here,

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Speaker 2: I can probably attest to that.

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Speaker 3: And then he's all mayor out and.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's like, oh my god, it's Emma Goldman in disguise. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So you can see that her very presence was enough

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Speaker 2: So she's like the early twentieth century AOC at this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or like an early twentieth century Andrew Dice Clay.

447
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I got that one outrage.

448
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, she rolls into town.

449
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 4: They're like, she's got her leather direct. So she gets

450
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 4: to San Francisco. She gets there in the evening heads

451
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 4: to the Saint Francis Hotel. Nice Hotel, The paper announced

452
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 4: the arrival of quote Queen of the Anarchists.

453
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, really doesn't understand anarchy.

454
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 3: No, exactly like the whole royalty.

455
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 4: So she'd been tailed to San Francisco by SFPD under

456
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 4: orders of their police chief, Chief Biggie.

457
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:35,880
Speaker 2: To get out.

458
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 4: No, I'm not more on him in a second, and

459
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 4: the US State Department. So the US State Department contacts

460
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 4: Biggie and says, send your detectives to intercept her in

461
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 4: Sacramento and follow her to the city.

462
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 2: So that's what they did before Hoover. They had the

463
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: State Department and this kind of stuff.

464
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 3: Okay, and then let me tell you about Chief Biggie.

465
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, please, I want to know.

466
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 4: He was my great great grandpa's boss. What at the

467
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 4: San Francisco Police Department.

468
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: Your great great grandpa was a cop, and.

469
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 4: My great great grandpa and about seven or eight other

470
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 4: officers were busted whoa for tuning up and shaking down

471
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 4: a couple of flophouse owners on the Barbary Coast, and

472
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 4: Chief Biggie he put them on paid leave for a

473
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 4: while and then brought most of them back.

474
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks later.

475
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: So I was going to do a show in your family.

476
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 3: Pretty much soon.

477
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 4: And then here's the best part. He was still chief

478
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 4: when my great great grandpa died by supposedly shooting himself

479
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 4: in the head three times.

480
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 2: Oh you know that happens, you get that quick finger.

481
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 4: A detective arrived before the ambulance got there. No, he

482
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 4: had tested that. My great great grandpa told him that

483
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 4: he didn't shoot himself in the head. And then he said, quote,

484
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 4: you know the captain, and I belong to a secret

485
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: organization and I can't tell anything what That's what my

486
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 4: great great grandpa said, your.

487
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: Great great grandma's dying words, which there's a secret like

488
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 2: a cabal in the NPD, and I've got three bullets

489
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: in my head and I can't say anything about it.

490
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 3: I didn't do this to myself.

491
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: Amazing wheeled away by.

492
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 4: An ambulance crew and he dies six hours later, and

493
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 4: the police are like, oh, no, he's just confused.

494
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 3: It's in the paper. No, he was just confused.

495
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 4: I have a copy of his death certificate and like

496
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 4: the cause of death is scratched out in suicides. So Chief, Biggie,

497
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 4: this guy, Wow, he's in my orbit and Chief Big

498
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 4: his team. Yeah, now we know who we're dealing with.

499
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: So the police had learned earlier that a bunch of

500
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: anarchist literature had been shipped out ahead of Emma Goldman's.

501
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: Survival, so they're getting ready to crack called.

502
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

503
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: So the address was even provided in the paper when

504
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 4: they're writing about this that like.

505
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 3: Oh all this shore.

506
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 4: Botwell Street to that address is now the tow eighty

507
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 4: one oh one interchange and it takes up like which

508
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 4: takes up like sixteen square box. But anyway, that's where

509
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 4: the house was. The cops told the press that they

510
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 4: knew about the boxes of flyers and books. They knew

511
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 4: all about it, but they weren't going to seize them.

512
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 4: But they told Goldman, you can't hand them out.

513
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's you know.

514
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 4: It's like how there's no penalty for possession just for

515
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 4: distribution in terms of magic mushrooms in Oakland.

516
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: Oh very apt. I was like gonna say the same thing,

517
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: but you beat me too, just like magic mushrooms.

518
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 3: And no penalty for possession just for distribution.

519
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 4: So Goldman got to the Saint Francis Hotel and there

520
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 4: were people from the movement waiting to greet her, like, hey,

521
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 4: we're the movement. She's like, what movement? The anarchy movement?

522
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I questioned your commitment about down to your queen,

523
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 4: Like wait a second, this is anarchy. So they noticed

524
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 4: that the detectives fought were following her. This the crowd

525
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 4: and then they started getting a little rowdy, like there's like

526
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 4: you know, when I say crowd, it's like six people.

527
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: So hey, what what them getting rowdy?

528
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: Like?

529
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 4: So then Chief Biggie shows up and he's like, you

530
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: know what, I'm gonna arrest everybody here if you start something.

531
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 4: And her dudes leave, we don't want to and she

532
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 4: just like checks into the hotel with a flourish and

533
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 4: heads up to her room. And so she was scheduled

534
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: to give a series of speeches in the city and

535
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 4: then head to laout ten days later. One of her

536
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 4: speaking gigs was a debate with some socialists on solutions

537
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 4: to social.

538
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 3: Process I'm telling you, and they were like this is

539
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: going to be heated.

540
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. They were big competing like leading edge of thought

541
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,239
Speaker 2: about how do we create a better society? These are

542
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: the two competing mode, right, and.

543
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: So let's go back to the Saint Francis for a second.

544
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: Huh.

545
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 4: The management there didn't like the attention that Goldman brought,

546
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: so they kicked her out after a night.

547
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: You're out of here.

548
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: Money spends and he's like, nope, not that, not your money.

549
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 4: So she and her friends they decamped for that address

550
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 4: that's now a freeway interchange. Meanwhile, where all the materials are. Meanwhile,

551
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 4: which like.

552
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: Why if they're like of the people, why.

553
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 4: Were you staying at the Saint Francis and not at

554
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 4: like the anarchist safe house.

555
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: I think we know the answer to that, Elizabeth. So

556
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm questioning commitment to your.

557
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 3: Sparkle motion, Yes, exactly.

558
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 4: So. Meanwhile, Chief Biggie assigned a squad fifty cops, some

559
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 4: on horseback, like some playing clothes to watch all of

560
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: Goldman's speaking engagements.

561
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: That's a lot.

562
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 4: If any of them felt that anything in lammatory was said,

563
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 4: they were authorized to break up. The speech busted up.

564
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 4: During her first speech, she denounced police authority, and she

565
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: shared what the San Francisco Call newspaper called quote startling

566
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 4: views on free love.

567
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 3: Which like give me the transcript from they're like men

568
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: and women are allowed to sit on the same park.

569
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: Ben ankles or should be shown in public.

570
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: And then at the same thing she spoke about the

571
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 4: right for workers to strike WGA.

572
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.

573
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 4: She pushed for a disregard of laws that govern the

574
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: relations of the sexes. So again like you guys can

575
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 4: sit in the cab together. Chief Biggie was right there

576
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 4: listening to this supposedly shocking material, and he even had

577
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 4: his stenographer taking notes, just taking holding down. The paper

578
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 4: noted that an oddity at this event was the large

579
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 4: number of Japanese citizens present. Well, and apparently they really

580
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 4: clapped for the lines about race equality, like can you imagine.

581
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm focusing on the imperial part that thing? Ye, No, No,

582
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: these this is people.

583
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: They're like, look, we want to be treated like the Americans.

584
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: We are, we've been here for a while.

585
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 4: Well, and they described The paper described the audience as

586
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: quote men and a few women, most of whom were foreigners.

587
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 4: Like the San Francisco Call was the most out of

588
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: control paper. I think the Examiner, maybe the Chronicle was

589
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 4: very stage.

590
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Examiner's most conservative and wild.

591
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, the examiners like yellow journalism, the all kind of

592
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: goes nuts on some stuff.

593
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: Anyway, the call sounds like the one where it's trying

594
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: to split the difference, like occasionly we're gonna say something inflammatory,

595
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: but we also have the news.

596
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're really reliable on this that they have, like

597
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 4: a good amount of information.

598
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: The chronicle doesn't waited.

599
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: I love Americans calling anybody else a foreigner. It's always

600
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: the most funny, iron irony. To me.

601
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, really, Well, as Jack White said, kick

602
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: yourself out, you're.

603
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: A foreigner too, exactly, Jack, I'm.

604
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: Just about the lyrics that.

605
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: So in the following days, the papers gave up reporting

606
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 4: about Goldman. This just got boring. She didn't get arrested.

607
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 4: The speeches show Yeah, only there was one publication that

608
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 4: kept up coverage, and that was the Italian language paper.

609
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're like, you know, give.

610
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: It in April, April twenty six that's where we get to.

611
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 4: That's when things change. On April twenty sixth, nineteen oh eight,

612
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: Emma Goldman gave a speech in San Francisco called what

613
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: is Patriotism? That kind of sounds like the like a

614
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: sixth grade essay contest. Yeah, so she opens up by

615
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 4: asking if patriotism is love of one's birthplace and hopes

616
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: and dreams. If it's loving somewhere for all its natural beauty,

617
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 4: If it's loving the place where you feel happiest, where

618
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 4: you have the best memories of your childhood, and everyone's like, yeah,

619
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: sure that sounds right, then, she said quote if that

620
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 4: were patriotism, few American men of today would be called

621
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 4: upon to be patriotic, since the place of play has

622
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: been turned into factory, mill, and mine, while deepening sounds

623
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 4: of machinery have replaced the music of the birds. No

624
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: longer can we hear the tales of great deeds, for

625
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: the stories our mothers tell us today are but those

626
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 4: of sorrow, tears, and grief. Yeah, she continues. Indeed, conceit, arrogance,

627
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: and egotism are the essentials of patriotism. Let me illustrate.

628
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots,

629
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have

630
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: had the fortune of being born on some particular spot

631
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 4: consider this themselves nobler, better, grander, more intelligent than those

632
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is therefore the

633
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 4: duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill,

634
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 4: and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon

635
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: all others.

636
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: And largely I agree with her. I mean not to

637
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I'm a citizen of the world, but

638
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: I do believe that this whole globe is my home.

639
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't believe like the invisible lines or the colored

640
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: sections on the mad are real. I'm like, I know

641
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: too much about history for me to think that, oh,

642
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: you're a Canadian. What does that even mean?

643
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: Come on now, Yeah, So she questions very nature of

644
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 4: national identity. We're born into a particular country by luck,

645
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: you know, and if we steal ourselves off and say

646
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: we're better than any other country and fight to the

647
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: death over something that was, in essence purely random, Like

648
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: how is that a noble thing?

649
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: And how applicable is it? If like a main lobster

650
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: fisherman and I are both Americans, you're gonna you're gonna

651
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: gain something from calling us both Americans. You're gonna understand

652
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: something about us. I mean, you can understand that culturally,

653
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: but not like an identifier, like I have brown hair

654
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: and that's going to mean something about my parents. You know,

655
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: people act like it's an effect of life and not

656
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: an aspect of culture.

657
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: Well, and she points out that this is a human thing,

658
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: but it's not necessarily an indictment of America alone.

659
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: No, No, every other country does.

660
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: Exactly. The whole idea that indye nation is an identity

661
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: is by thing. I'm saying, your identity is a member

662
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: of a culture, not that you are an American.

663
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: Right, So then she starts rallying against spending money on

664
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: military weapons and displays when so many people were going hungry,

665
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: you know, And you can see why she is both

666
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 4: hated and revered, and you can see that the police

667
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: presence and looming crackdown. We're kind of idiotic because it's like,

668
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: this is not inflammatory speech. This is it's just something

669
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 4: they don't agree with.

670
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and its demands for decency more so than really violence.

671
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 4: But then in the shadow of the presidio, she says, quote,

672
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: an army and navy represent the people's toys to make

673
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 4: them more attractive and acceptable. Hundreds and thousands of dollars

674
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: are being spent for the display of toys. That was

675
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: the purpose of the American government in equipping a fleet

676
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: and sending it along the Pacific coast. That every American

677
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 4: citizen should be made to feel the pride and glory

678
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: of the United States a wonderful thing to remember? Is

679
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: it not the implements of civilized slaughter? If the mind

680
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: of the child is poisoned with such memories, what hope

681
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 4: is there for a true realization of human brotherhood.

682
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand what she's saying. She's going to

683
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: lose people on the toys part because you're taking something

684
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: very complex and minimizing it.

685
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: But I agree it's the minimization of the complex that

686
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: a lot of this is.

687
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: Theoretically, it would be amazing if we were all brothers

688
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: and sisters under the sun.

689
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: And you know the Blooper sticker, wouldn't it be great?

690
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: At the Air Force had to hold a bag saale

691
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: to buy a bomber, our kids had all the money

692
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: they needed for books. I'm like, yeah, if okay, so

693
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: want to be great if humans weren't involved this equation,

694
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: that's what saying.

695
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: It's not all the world works.

696
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: So what's nuts is that we think of anarchy as

697
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: inherently violent when this is like peace loving stuff.

698
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: Very hippy stuff.

699
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the nuns at my high school talk like this.

700
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 4: But the free love, well, the free love you throw

701
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 4: down your arms.

702
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: I mean not for them, but for the world. Like

703
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: would they have agreed with the whole idea of like

704
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: the pastoral beauty and the music and the free love.

705
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: I don't know the leaving aside the free love. Maybe

706
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: I should stop saying free love but fully engage your

707
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: body right, and that.

708
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: You are a fully service to all people, but not

709
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: in that one. So this is how she wraps it up, quote,

710
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: when we have undermined the patriotic lie, we shall have

711
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: cleared the path for the great structure where we all

712
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: shall be united into a universal brotherhood, a truly free society.

713
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: I would like that would be.

714
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, theoretically we could.

715
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: Figure out a way to I think mature as of

716
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: people on this planet so that we can look and

717
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: have two things be true at once. That I can

718
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: both be an American and a member of a global community,

719
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: and I have responsibilities to both of those identities. If

720
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: you want to make them identities, I'd be into that.

721
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, not gonna happen.

722
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 4: There were, of course non believers in the crowd. They

723
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 4: would huff and hawe at what she said. Most though,

724
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: we're all in, and when her speech ended, the place

725
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: erupted into applause.

726
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: Let's take a break.

727
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: Wait, so they carrying her out like on their shoulders,

728
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: like everybody loved it.

729
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: Everyone loved it. Place goes nuts nice.

730
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: When we come back, I'll tell you what happened next.

731
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: Zaren, Elizabeth Saren, Yes, Elizabeth.

732
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: Close you on.

733
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh it up idea.

734
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: I want you to picture it.

735
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: You are one of the cops in my great great

736
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 4: grandpa's secret organization, a fellow veteran of the forest.

737
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 3: You were there through the great quake of nineteen oh six.

738
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: You and he have been at it since before Big

739
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: Bertha rolled into town. He's not on duty today, my

740
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: great great grandpa. He's on paid leave for extorting the

741
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: owner of a sleazy hotel. You have been assigned to

742
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: the Emma Goldman speech. You and the other guys think

743
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: this is foolish. She's not saying anything too crazy. She

744
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: irritated the sap out of you. But what loud broad doesn't.

745
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: I'm trying to make you historically accurate. The speech is

746
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: finally over, and everyone's cheering a standing ovation. Whatever you think.

747
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: That's how you talk.

748
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 4: By the way, you see a bunch of people head

749
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: towards the stage This has happened every night at these things.

750
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: They want to shake her hand, They want to tell

751
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: her how wonderful she is. You want to tell him

752
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 4: to get back to work, even though it Sunday night.

753
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: You see, though, that there's a man in uniform among

754
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 4: the group, headed right toward Emma Goldman. You can't believe

755
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: this is some gi going to shut her up for good.

756
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: You look around and you notice that all the other

757
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 4: cops are watching.

758
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: No one is moving. The air grows still.

759
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 4: You watch as thirty nine year old William Bewalda reaches

760
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: the stage. There's chatter up there, audience members hurriedly telling

761
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 4: Goldman how much they admire her, reaching up to shake

762
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: her hand. From this scrum of people, you see a

763
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 4: hand go up the army guy. You can see his uniform.

764
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: His hand gets to Goldman. She looks down at him,

765
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: He looks up at her. She takes his hand and

766
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 4: shakes it. He nods at her, says something, Then he

767
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 4: turns and heads towards the exit. A gasp goes up

768
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: from the remaining audience members. You and the other uniform

769
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: officers are shocked. Did that military man just shake the

770
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 4: hand of the woman who spent the better part of

771
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: an hour ragging on the military. A buzz goes up

772
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 4: among the cops. Three detectives come to you. They tell

773
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: you they noticed that guy earlier. He had removed all

774
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: insignia that might clue them as to his identity. The

775
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: detectives tell the patrolman to sit tight.

776
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: They're on it. You watch as the detectives follow the man.

777
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: He's their problem.

778
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: Now you pull a flask out of your jacket and

779
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: take a sip and shifts over. The detectives tailed the

780
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: Walda out into the foggy night. They didn't know if

781
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: he was going to be like maybe some crank who

782
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: got hold of uniform, if he was just doing it

783
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: for show. And you know, if that was the case,

784
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: they were going to arrest him for impersonating military personnel,

785
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 4: kind of the opposite of stolen valor, you know, if

786
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: he was in the army. Though, if he actually was,

787
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 4: they were going to turn him over to the police.

788
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: So Bowalda he had been to others of Goldman's speeches.

789
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: In fact, he'd been to a lot of different speeches

790
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: from all over the political spectrum, and he'd also gone

791
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: to various religious services as well.

792
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: He's just a curious Well.

793
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: No, here's the thing. He was studying shorthand. He wanted

794
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: to expand his skill set, so he figured it was

795
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: like a good extra size and taking shorthand dictation, he

796
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: would go to this speech. It was his understanding that

797
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: she used really powerful and figurative language, and he thought

798
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: that would be a good opportunity to flex his developing skills.

799
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: Wow.

800
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: And then something like I said he'd been going to

801
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: church stuff, different denominations.

802
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: Different religions.

803
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. When the detectives saw him cruise into the presidio.

804
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: Your hobbies dictation, long walks on the monography.

805
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 4: They headed right over to the base headquarters and alerted

806
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: the authorities, and so the cops they told the army

807
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: about what they saw. They described the guy. The MPs

808
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: went to fetch him, brought him back. Cops confirmed, Yep,

809
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: that's the guy that I saw. Private William bowalda company

810
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 4: A of the Engineer Corps.

811
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: He was then court martialed.

812
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: What.

813
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the official charge quote being in uniform and

814
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: an address delivered by Emma Goldman at San Francisco, California,

815
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: which address was an attack and criticism on government of

816
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 4: the US and the Army and Navy thereof did frequently

817
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: and repeatedly applaud the set address, and did, on its

818
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 4: conclusion declare to the same Emma Goldman that his sympathy

819
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: was with her and his approval of her remarks.

820
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: Now do we know what he said to her when

821
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: they shook hands.

822
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: Up for debate.

823
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: So the charge was for violating the sixty second Article

824
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 4: of War.

825
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: I only know the first forty.

826
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: I know one through sixty one.

827
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: This calls for the punishment of a serviceman if he

828
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: used quote contemptuous or disrespectful words against the President, vice President,

829
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: the Congress of the United States, the Secretary of War,

830
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 4: or the governor of Legislature of any states.

831
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm familiar with this, but I thought they're basically

832
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 2: a disparagement clause.

833
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: But it's like, well, the whole thing has to do

834
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: with him being in uniform and saying I approve of

835
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: your Yeah, it's the Yeah, he wouldn't have caught the

836
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: charge if he wasn't in if.

837
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: He was in his street clothes.

838
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: That's a big deal of the uniform.

839
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: So the detectives claimed that he vigorously applauded, and they said,

840
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: you just about lost his mind.

841
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: He was so excited.

842
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: Happened like an idiot on with.

843
00:37:59,560 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 3: And he said.

844
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 4: They said he walked up to the stage and loudly

845
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 4: announced that, you know, Emma Goldman, I sympathize with you,

846
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: and I totally approve of your remarks. This is not

847
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 4: what happened whatever. But Walda, he pleads not guilty. He

848
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 4: gave a very innocent.

849
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: Court martial guilty. I don't know you can plead.

850
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: He gives a very innocent story about practicing stenography to

851
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 4: help uncle Sam. Sure, and then he was swept to

852
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: the front of the hall by the crowd, and that

853
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: he only said, how do you do?

854
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: He hasn't as they excused. Yeah, he didn't say, I

855
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: sympathize with your cause.

856
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: Sure walked gently.

857
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 4: Said he got pushed to the front by the crowd,

858
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: and what could he say?

859
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: But he's a gentleman, zaren.

860
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: I don't anybody about this.

861
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: Later he's more truthful about the account, but it still

862
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: wasn't anywhere near the description of events that cops provided.

863
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: So only two soldiers had ever up until that point

864
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: been accused of annay. One was a guy who, when

865
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: told that President McKinley had been assassinated, said quote.

866
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 3: I'm glad he's dead. Oh and he got twenty years

867
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: in jail for that.

868
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

869
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, they don't play, They do not play. The

870
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: officers selected for the court martial were unusually high in rank,

871
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: and that's because the case was so high profile, and

872
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: they knew that it would set everybody's going crazy on

873
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 4: the wire and everywhere, it's everywhere, and that this would

874
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 4: set a precedent going forward when it came to this

875
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 4: sort of staff. I always wry about the presidents at trial,

876
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: but Walda admitted that he'd been to four of her speeches,

877
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: and not just the one. But then he repeated the

878
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: whole thing about.

879
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 2: Practicing I'm a humidicctaphone.

880
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 4: What Yeah, he said that Emma Goldman's language, as he

881
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 4: put it, was quote so peculiar that he had to

882
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 4: give transcribing a shot.

883
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: Now I read you passages.

884
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not peculiar. It's not that striking.

885
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: No, And quite frankly, it's like in today, in today's society,

886
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 4: it's not shocking.

887
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: It's you know, and there are.

888
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: Other orators of the day who I know had better speeches,

889
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: and I imagine there were a lot.

890
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 4: Of them right, but you know he's saying it's so peculiar.

891
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 4: He did admit that he probably shouldn't have been there,

892
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: and he told the court that he thought the content

893
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: of her speech was nonsense.

894
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: Why would he be there in uniform, It's like it's

895
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: not He was working and he just had to get over.

896
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 4: He was he was at the Annville and he's like

897
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: looked at his watch like, oh snap, I'm gonna be late.

898
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: He ran over.

899
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: He had character witnesses vouch for him as being a

900
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: good soldier who loved his country, horses, America. Didn't matter.

901
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 4: He was found guilty. General Frederick Funston fighting Fred Funston.

902
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: He was in charge of the presidio at the time

903
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: and thus lee the court martial. Fun fact about Funston,

904
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 4: he was a boss at the presidio two years earlier

905
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: during the Great Quake, and he declared martial law even

906
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: though he didn't have the authority to do so.

907
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: Wow, and then it never took effect.

908
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: And you know, his name basically would mean FunTown or

909
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: Fundstown town.

910
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: So Freddie FunTown. He he did successfully order the demolition

911
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: of buildings in order to create a firebreak to stop

912
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: the fire from spreading in the city after the quake,

913
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: but his demolitions by explosion caused more fires.

914
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: Oh that doesn't happened with bombs job dingis.

915
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he was no fan of Emma Goldman. He

916
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 4: had just returned from Esmeralda County, Nevada, where he and

917
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: some troops had put down a labor strike by the

918
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: industrial workers of the World.

919
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: Oh the I w W the wobblies. Wait the this

920
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: is like the Ludlow strike era. There's like a lot

921
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: of the Colorado strikes. Okay, Nevada strike.

922
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 4: So he comes back and then two months later he's

923
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 4: dealing with this, so we know his mindset. So he

924
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 4: sentenced Bewalda to five years hard labor on Alcatraz the rock.

925
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: Wow.

926
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, all for handshake Land of the.

927
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 4: Free in a uniform es Actually, so after a month

928
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 4: his sentence was reduced to three years. So they knocked

929
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 4: a little.

930
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: It's tough for a bad fashion sense. Well, sir, are

931
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 2: all you had to do was wear the ride out.

932
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: Remember he had taken off his name.

933
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: I know, that's what I mean.

934
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 3: He gets reduced to three Why do you.

935
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: Want to wear it so badly? If you do all

936
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: the other work just changed the shirt.

937
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: Bob right, Uh, I think he wants to be in

938
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 3: the uniform.

939
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: That's That's what I'm saying. Is bad bad fashion.

940
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 4: Send so he gets he gets it down to three years.

941
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 4: Two reasons for this his years of dutiful and loyal

942
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 4: service and the fact that they believed he was under

943
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: the sway of Emma Goldman and that he suffered a

944
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: lapse in judgment. Oh, Goldman used her while wiley feminine

945
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: ways to cast an anarchist spell on him.

946
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: The old legal strategy, blame the woman.

947
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 4: They were terrified of her. Yeah, like yeah, so but

948
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: then they all and then they gave him a dishonorable.

949
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 3: Discharge of course, up on the rock. And what did

950
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: the woman herself think of all this?

951
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.

952
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 4: When she found out about his arrest and conviction, she

953
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 4: got to work. This was the exact type of thing

954
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: she was talking about in her speech, the blinding and

955
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 4: negative power of patriotism over the human instinct for logic

956
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: and good. She raised money, She rallied her supporters. She

957
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: told the press that this incident had only quote aided

958
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 4: her cause she really did.

959
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: He gave a good example what she's fighting against.

960
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: And at the same time, General Funston.

961
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Got to work a fun town camic for you, only.

962
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 4: This time Freddy FunTown. He was working to free Bewalda.

963
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 4: Oh and he was successful.

964
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: Get out fred I knew I liked this, Freddy.

965
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: On New Year's Eve nineteen oh eight, crazy enough to

966
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: make it work. Go on, William.

967
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 4: Bowalda was pardoned by none other than the anarchist hating

968
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 4: President of the United States, Teddy Roosevelt.

969
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

970
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: General Funston convinced Roosevelt that Bewalda wasn't an anarchist and

971
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 4: shouldn't be punished as such.

972
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: Huh and just do we happen to know what year

973
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: the he got the he kept not pardoned, but basically

974
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: he got the pardon.

975
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: He was released pardon on New Year's Eve nineteen oh eight.

976
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: So January first, nineteen oh nine. He struts out there,

977
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: out off the rock. I don't know what changed Funstan's

978
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: mind on this, but it was enough to sway the president.

979
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: Whatever this is probably yeah, this's got to be post

980
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: after Teddy Roosevelt got shot by the anarchist and his

981
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 2: speech saved him. He gets shot in the speech.

982
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm not sure, like if there I don't know.

983
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: I don't know what the deeper her periods this was.

984
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: But what Boalda was freed only now he actually was

985
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 4: an anarchist.

986
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: He came out hard and he's like, all right.

987
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: Man, because it's a long quote here from the Spokane Press,

988
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: but it's a real quirker. This is what Bowalda had

989
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: to say upon his release. Oh nice, I would never

990
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: have dreamed of taking anarchy seriously if they hadn't arrested

991
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 4: me and thrown me into prison. It was during the

992
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 4: long hours over there on the island that I began

993
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 4: to think for myself, think for myself.

994
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: That was the marvel of it.

995
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: Someone had done my thinking for me for fifteen years.

996
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 4: Those statements of miss Goldman in that lecture, which ought

997
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: to be called the Farce of Patriotism, burned into my soul.

998
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: They made me angry when I first heard them. Then

999
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: I thought they were all bosh. This woman had come

1000
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 4: into my and thrown down all my gods. I took

1001
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 4: refuge in the stronghold of ignorance, where a sluggish brain

1002
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 4: finds comfort, and said to myself, this woman is crazy.

1003
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: Now I thank the government for opening my eyes and

1004
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 4: awakening my brain. I bless the day I was arrested.

1005
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: I am deeply grateful to Uncle Sam for making an

1006
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 4: anarchist of me after I served him blindly for fifteen years.

1007
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: He should give speeches, right, there's some language.

1008
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 4: When someone thinks they're going to control a teenager and

1009
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: like it, they just rebel. So this whole arresting him

1010
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: didn't go well for the Feds. But Walda met Goldman

1011
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 4: once again after his release. They shook hands once more,

1012
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 4: and this was actually the start of a lifelong friendship.

1013
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 4: She raised funds for him to live on now that

1014
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 4: he was out and dishonorably discharge. She'd come to town

1015
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: from speaking in San Diego.

1016
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: He worked on growing a beard exactly.

1017
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 4: She invited him on stage in San Francisco, so two

1018
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: weeks after his release from Alcatraz, he spoke about being there,

1019
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 4: the court martial, the imprisonment, and then after the speech,

1020
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 4: Goldman was arrested for inciting a riot once again, and Bowalda.

1021
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 4: He came out of the theater to the scene of

1022
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: Goldman getting arrested, and he shouted out that it was

1023
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: an injustice, and then he too was arrested. Now his

1024
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: case was dismissed, Goldman was found not guilty, off she

1025
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: went back on the road.

1026
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: Bewalda.

1027
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: He moved to Michigan to take care of his recently

1028
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: widowed mother, and even though he was in an isolated

1029
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: rural area of Michigan, he maintained his anarchist activity. He

1030
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: sent the medal that he'd received for bravery while fighting

1031
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 4: in the Philippines back to the Secretary of War along

1032
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 4: with a strongly worded letter. He organized Goldman's appearances in

1033
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 4: Grand Rapids, Michigan, somewhere she hadn't really visited before meeting him.

1034
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: He wrote letters to the local papers expressing his views

1035
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 4: on capitalism, taxes, the government. And he was like, he

1036
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 4: was a quiet man, really well liked in his community

1037
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 4: and seen as kind hearted, unobtrusive.

1038
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: Imadging, like a Pete Sigger kind of guy.

1039
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally exactly what I was thinking. He lived out

1040
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 4: the rest of his day's farming and like just as

1041
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: being a good member of the community.

1042
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he turned a sword into plowshare exactly.

1043
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 4: One arrest for the ridiculous crime of shaking a woman's

1044
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 4: hand turned his whole world upside down. And then sent

1045
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: him on a course in life that he never would

1046
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: have imagined.

1047
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: Wow.

1048
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I like that.

1049
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 4: So I have to say, there's no benefit for punishing curiosity.

1050
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: It is my ridiculous takeaway. Thanks for asking. It can

1051
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 4: backfire in spectacular ways, curiosity.

1052
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous takeaway, Sarah, I'll look at you. You

1053
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: know I want it.

1054
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm so give me a moment. I'm fuck clumpedy. No,

1055
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: But in all honesty, I would say I agree with

1056
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 2: you about you. You shouldn't punish curiosity. You should always

1057
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: educate curiosity. And sometimes that takes a moment you don't

1058
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: as the other person want to give. So that's the

1059
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: other part is basically, you know, thinking of the other

1060
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 2: over yourself occasionally is really important for educating both yourself

1061
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: and other people. So education often is an act of

1062
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: donating one's time, one's talents, one's abilities in a way

1063
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: that will then give and be given back to you.

1064
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: And I know that you're like, no, there, and that

1065
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 2: ain't true. I'm wasting my time. All good deeds must

1066
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: be you know, no good deed goes the left unpunished

1067
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: or whatever. Right I feel you on that. Most of

1068
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: the times but I'm also gonna say that occasionally you

1069
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: have to be like, you know, I'm a Goldman or

1070
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: Bewalda in this instance, and be thinking about what you

1071
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: mean in the greater context, like you are but one

1072
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: person and what could you do right? But also, you

1073
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: know you can fight oppression with a handshake and with education,

1074
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: and you know I'm for.

1075
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 4: That well, And I kind of feel like if you

1076
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 4: think that the way that you're doing things is right

1077
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 4: and the best way to do something, then you shouldn't

1078
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 4: be concerned if people criticize it because it's right.

1079
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: So you know, like you.

1080
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: Don't have to convince someone. Okay, if I give you

1081
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: a chair that's made of wood, and I give you

1082
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: a chair that's made of paper, and I say, you

1083
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: know you can sit down in these right either one

1084
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: you go to sit down no matter what I tell

1085
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: you to try to convince you that the chair made

1086
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: paper is a good chair. It looks like a charis

1087
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: a real chairs? Important sit in the chair. As soon

1088
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: as you try to sit in it, all that stuff

1089
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: goes out, So it all only matters is is it

1090
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: a chair? Does it function? So if you want to

1091
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: raise your children to be like you, then give them

1092
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: a lesson that then they want to take on, not

1093
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: one that they have to be tricked, con forced or whatever.

1094
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: You grow a plant from the roots up.

1095
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean it's also it's like they learn

1096
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 4: their lesson that if you know, they believed the government

1097
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: believed in what they were doing. And then when he

1098
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 4: stepped outside of that for a second, not fully, but

1099
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: just listen to it, when he instead of stepping out

1100
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 4: into the water, he looked at the water, Yeah, to

1101
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: punish him for that. Had he not done that, he

1102
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 4: would still he would have had a long military career.

1103
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: And you know the.

1104
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Speaker 2: Tradition of rum Springer. Okay, yes, yes, I think that

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Speaker 2: is one of the most brilliant examples of how to.

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Speaker 4: So when the Amish kids are coming up, they go there.

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Speaker 2: They're allowed a moment a year off from all that

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Speaker 2: they've been known. So they're basically, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's seventeen eighteen, whatever, it is, basically around your teenage years,

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Speaker 2: you're you know, inculcated in the Amish tradition, and then

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Speaker 2: you're given a year to go out and test literally

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Speaker 2: do you want to be a member of our community?

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Speaker 2: You get go out and see the modern world. You

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Speaker 2: can do whatever, drive fast, do drugs, dance, win, whatever

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Speaker 2: it is you want to go do you knowever you

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Speaker 2: gotta do, and you always fetishized and fantasized about, then

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Speaker 2: people predominantly come back and want exactly. My point is is,

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Speaker 2: if you have something that works, people will want to

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Speaker 2: do it naturally you have to convince them. Then your

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Speaker 2: stuff is a lot.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: And this also goes for everything I and it goes

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Speaker 2: for power, love anything. If you have to convince another person,

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Speaker 2: then it's not really happening. They should want to do.

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Speaker 2: You should captivate them, compel them, but not have to

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Speaker 2: convince them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, Like you're right. That applies to pretty much everything.

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Speaker 3: So that's it. That's all I have. Thank you. I

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Speaker 3: liked it too.

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Speaker 4: Please please don't send any any angry emails and everybody

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Speaker 4: or them that's true. I am not going to read them.

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Speaker 4: Angry reviews about the Lady Host. You can find us

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Speaker 4: online at Ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes there is, there is.

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Speaker 3: There's an angry about the lady.

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Speaker 2: The lady host. Yeah, no one ever gets mad at

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Speaker 2: the man host.

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Speaker 3: You know, the lady host. She stepped out of Laine

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Speaker 3: the man.

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Speaker 2: He really got a pair on him?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: How dare he tell me about I talk about a

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Speaker 2: lot of nonsense too? Where is my derision? Where are

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Speaker 2: my critics?

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Speaker 4: I just want someone to say, look at the ovaries

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Speaker 4: on her Yeah, instead of like this lady host needs

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Speaker 4: Did I I love it so much? Well, I mean

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Speaker 4: it's like I'm trying to run through the list and

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