WEBVTT - Wade Ormsby 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.320 It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.119 you every Wednesday. This week's guest Wade Ormsby. If you 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.040 don't know who Wade is, He's been playing tours all 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.919 over the world, recent winner on the Asian Tour out 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.759 in Thailand. One of the guys that made the decision 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.599 last year to make the move to live. He was 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:26.760 on Cam Smith's team last year. But unlike a lot 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.800 of players that I think everybody's heard about, he didn't 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.159 get the back, he didn't get any money upfront. But 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.560 he's at a stage in his career where he thought 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.720 it was a good move and that's one of the 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.120 reasons why I wanted to talk to him. I mean, 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.519 I've known him for a long time. He's one of 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:47.760 professional golf globetrotters. He's played on tours all over the world, Asia, Europe, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:53.240 South Africa, Australasia, did a stint on what's now the Web. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.760 But back then, you know, maybe five six years ago, 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:02.080 had some status on the corn Ferry, which it was 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:03.600 corn Fairy. I think I don't even know what it 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.280 was called back then when he was playing it. But um, 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.560 he's always been a very very good ball striker. Who 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.920 played his college golf in the United States at the 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.319 University of Houston. And like I said, he's just one 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.800 of those players that, given the fact that he was 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.680 from Australia, he had to try and figure out a 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.640 place to play and and and that's I think that 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.200 there were more players like him than there are the 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.680 guys that you see on full swing flying around on 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.080 private jets. So I think it's a really good interview. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.360 I really like Wade Ormsby's golf swing and um, I 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.000 think it's a good interview. So sit back and enjoy 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:47.600 Wade Ormsby. All Right, Wade, um your journey to where 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.600 you are today. I mean, I think I always find 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.639 it really interesting, you know, the guys from South Africa, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.760 the guys from Australia. I mean, it's it's so far 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.280 to go to get out of that situation, and I 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.800 think so many players, I mean, it just seems normal 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.520 now out. I mean, you went to play college golf 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.920 in America and went to the University of Houston. But 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.040 that's to get to that point. It's not easy when 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.160 you live in Australia to get on the radar of 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.079 college golf coaches. You guys make it look easy. Talk 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.320 to me about that process, what you were like is 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.720 a junior and how you got made that big jump 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.240 to go play college golf in America and kind of 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:26.320 start your really competitive career. Yeah. Absolutely, We're a long 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.560 way away from the rest of the world down there 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.239 in Australia, you know. So yeah, I guess when you 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.320 start playing golf in twelve thirteen and you start getting 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:35.960 a little bit better, and then you start looking at 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.480 junior golf and start looking at golf in America and 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:39.840 all that, and you kind of want to get there. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.079 So by first and foremost just trying to get good 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.480 in Australia, and then for me, the college golf scene 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.480 was really kicking off and a few guys from Australia 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:51.760 were starting to go. So I'm from Adelaide in Australia, 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.680 which isn't Melbourne and Sydney. It's not as big as 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.840 big as city, so we didn't have access to so 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.560 much of the big programs, I guess, so I had 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.600 to kind of look at other avenues, you know. The 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.760 Australian Institute of Sport was an option for me, but 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.600 then college golf was where my head was at. So 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.120 had a pretty good run I think ninety six OSSI 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:10.720 amateur and that kind of put me on the radar 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.840 a bit of for I guess us college coaches. And 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.880 then I've got a few recruiting trips. One here in 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.480 Tuson actually, coach Rick Leros come up and saw me. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.080 I'll come here back in ninety seven, I think for 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.640 a recruiting trip. So um, yeah, you just you do 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:24.959 got to travel. You do got to get out of 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.480 Australia to try and get that Northern Hemisphere golf. And yeah, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.840 it's a long way away from home, but that's the 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:32.160 plunge you got to make to try to be good 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.359 in this game. So forty two, Adam Scott, you and 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.480 Scotty kind of grew up together. And was he was 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.440 he the same as he was as a kid as 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:43.840 he is now? I mean, was he the guy that 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.560 everybody wanted to be? The cool guy? I mean, obviously 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.680 Scotty's blessed with it all right. I mean, yeah, he's 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.200 a good looking guy, he's in great shape. Yeah, he's 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.520 over six feet time and he's got to me one 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.400 of the greatest golf swings of all time. What was 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:57.960 Scotty like as a kid, and what was it like 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.080 playing junior golf with him? Because to this day, if 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.280 you're at a tournament and you and Scottie were both 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.400 in the field, you guys are going to play practice round. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:06.920 were still great mate. So I spent a bit of 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.400 time with him before the season up up in Queensland. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.080 But yeah, going back, you know, both our dads are 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.040 golf pros and they both knew each other. And then 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.840 he's originally from Adelaide, even though moved to Queensland as 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.000 a young bloke. And yeah, exactly, so we went all 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.400 the way through junior golf. YEP. Scotty was a lot better. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.680 He was just I remember watching him at fourteen and 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.520 he was hitting shots like a grown man and ball 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.279 flights like that, and I was just trying to scrap 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.680 it down the middle of the fairway and try and 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.360 punch out a number of which and try to try 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.000 to hang on to him. But we had Aaron Baddeley 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.680 was coming through there at the same time. He was 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.960 seriously good. And yes, so I think Scottie and I 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.120 both went to college at the same time and he 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.280 didn't last as long as me. I didn't last a distance. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.880 But I think we've made the right decision now. But 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.200 it's kind of difficult you're trying to map your own 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.320 way through there. I remember being out in Vegas playing 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.479 the I think it was a golf digest back then 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.640 on things that your dad's course at Rio's sacre and 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.680 I'm trying to put my best Adam Scott Tiger impersonation 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.440 as your dad's walking up and down the line there. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:07.240 So no, it's um, yeah, it's yeah. I love hanging 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.200 around Adam. You know, he's such a such a great 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.040 role model. Even though it's a similar age to me, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:13.760 I still look up to him. He does so many 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.680 things right and he's a great guys every bit that 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.320 you see. Why do you think we've had so many 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.240 great players? I mean, I ask Scottie this question. I'm 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:22.880 out of the pod last year. What do you think 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.520 we've had so many great players come out of Australia. 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.160 I mean the list is, you know, you've got Adam Scotts, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.840 You've got the Greg Norman's, You've got guys like Wayne 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.360 Grady who won major champions of Peter Thompson, Steve Elkton, 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.360 there is this There are those that have come before 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.480 all of the guys and now Cam Smith has won 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:44.120 a major championship. Jason Day, what is it about Australia 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:48.159 that is bred and given us so many great players? Yeah, 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.240 I probably can't put my finger on the exact thing, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.960 you know, but we are a sports mad country and 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.120 we do Yeah, we're doing love competing and we're pretty 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.679 tough competitive thing. And I think with professional golf individual 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.920 lot we touched on before you got to go to 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.640 the Northern Hemisphere, you got to give up a lot 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.359 of home. You got to give up everything your family 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.880 to go and chase your dreams of being a professional golfer. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.120 And and it's tough, you know. I remember going to 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.120 college and I almost contemplated not going because yeah, it 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:14.840 was pretty close to my family. And I was like, 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.480 I need to take this plunge if I want to 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.679 be any good. And and I'm still going, I'm still chasing, 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.880 I'm still pushing. What that twenty five years later? And 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.159 that's I think it makes it pretty tough when you 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.560 leave home. You know, you just got to make it stick. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.719 You can't fly home and see your parents and see 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.320 your family on a Sunday night, like a lot of 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.200 guys in America and Europe can do. You just got 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.320 to stick it out and put some good people around 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.360 you and try and survive out there, because it's pretty 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.080 tough sometimes. You mentioned that you know the Aussi you 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.680 said that choose to continue to live in down in 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:46.119 Australia regardless of which tour you're playing. If you're playing 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.200 on the PGA Tour, if you're playing in Europe, it's 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.000 not a miss to cut on a Friday night and 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.320 I get home tape think you have to go out 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.720 and that it's interesting you mentioned that you have to 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.520 go if you're going to play on the European Tour, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.919 which you have, you're in the path. You know that 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:02.760 if you're going to go play three or four events, 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.440 regardless of whether you make the cuts, play well, you're 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.520 out for three to three weeks or a month. There 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.080 isn't the opportunity to just nip home for a couple 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.560 of days, see the family and then come back out. Geographically, 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.080 It makes it very very difficult. Do you think that's 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.720 that helps you, That makes you more determined and helps 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.000 you get through a lot of the stuff that the 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:28.400 professional game throws at you. Ye. Absolutely, it's It definitely 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.160 makes it tougher, but I think it kind of makes 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.200 you tougher as a person too. You know, there's definitely 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.200 times and I've had some horrendous times on two when 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.160 you're missing cuts on a whole run. You've gone away 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.280 for a four week swing and you miss the first 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.200 three cuts. You know, what kind of what am I 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.480 doing out here? But I think a few things have 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.120 made it easier too, you know, like as scheduling, you 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.040 can't wait for the schedule to come out to try 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.920 and to put blocks of tournaments together so you can 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.640 do a little three or four week run to make 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:56.120 it I guess economically viable. It's going to do it 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.000 because we are it is our job. You just can't 0:07:58.040 --> 0:07:59.880 go back and forward because it costs so much to travel. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.120 But I think the Middle Eastern airlines have made it 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:03.720 easier for us to travel to you're going to. We 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.080 can one hop into Europe with good connections now with 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:10.280 Emirates and Katar through to Buy and Dohar now, So 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.960 that's made it easier. Before we had to go through 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.160 Singapore and do layovers and all that. So all that 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.880 stuff made it easier for us. But as we all 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:19.880 know at the moment traveling long haules is very expensive. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:24.880 So no, it's um, absolutely it's tricky, but that's that's 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.800 just where we live, and we still I choose to 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.400 live in Australia and I have my family around me, 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.280 and home's home, so I love practicing at home and 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.560 I just try to make the most of the schedule. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:38.000 I choose. You're in your early forties, but you are 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.760 one of these players as an international golfer that I 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.000 have globe trotted all over the world. You've played the 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.440 Asian Tour, You've played the Deep World Tour, which was 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.320 the old European Tour. You've played PGA Tour Australasia, You've 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.360 played the Challenge Tour, You've played the Nationwide which just 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.000 now the was what is it now? Fairy was the 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.559 way it was the Nationwide and it was the way 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.839 it was corn Ferry. Now, you made last year the 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.320 choice to play on Live as a as kind of 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.880 a globe trotter and as someone that has traveled all 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.959 over the world. Talk to the listeners worried about how 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.920 how many times have you gone to European Q school. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.120 I think I've got my own locker at European qu Scool. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.959 But I think it's been i'd say four to six times, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.480 and I always wouldn't say I had a knack. I 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.400 just always kind of got through q SCO. I think 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.280 I only ever missed one. I had a pretty good 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.960 attitude when I went there. I'm like, hang on, everyone's 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.559 back here for a reason. The good players are back 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.480 here for a reason, and you just knuckle down for 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.240 the week, put a good caddy on the back. You 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:39.599 don't have to win. You just got to find a 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.280 way to nut it out and get your card back 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.160 because that status is everything. But yeah, like you said, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.439 I've played everywhere, but it's kind of not always been 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:47.959 because of choice. You know. You just want to take 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.800 the best opportunity you can to try to make the 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.679 most of your career. You know, I've never been a 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.280 great play I've just tried to make the most of 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.079 my opportunities. And some years I've had great status, other 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:58.960 years I've had average status. And you've got to go 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:00.839 a bit wider and go to a certain tools you 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.400 don't particularly want to play on, but that's all I've got. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.559 So you've got to try and piece together the best 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.400 twenty two to twenty eight week schedule, and yes it is. 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.720 Glides were based around prize money because that's what pays 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.640 the bills, and some of those tours barely do that 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.320 for you. So there's been times in my career. I 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.320 think around in twenty eleven twelve and I was in 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.160 a pretty low place and my game wasn't great and 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.320 I had to take a few steps back. But it 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.360 kind of makes you tougher, it makes it more enjoyable 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.480 when you start kind of getting going again. So yeah, 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.120 I've played everywhere pretty much, but live has been great. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.400 What is the secret as someone that has gone to 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.960 Q school numerous times and gotten through and gotten your card, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.000 what is the secret for that? Because obviously I coach 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.000 a lot of people that are trying to get status. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:47.040 They're going to PGA Tour, Canada Qualifying School, they're going 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.400 to Latin America Qualifying School, they're going to DP World, 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.760 they're going to Asian Tour. There are guys that seem 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.440 to be able to do that when they need to, 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.360 and then as you know where you've grew up with them, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.720 you still there are great players that absolutely they struggle 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:07.640 at that hurdle to get through Qualifying school regardless of 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.400 what the tour is. What are the secrets as someone 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.079 who's done it a bunch to kind of get through it? Well, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.840 I guess there's no real secret, but it's all in preparation. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.360 Sports all about process now, and like when people ask me, 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.560 I'm like, give yourself as many opportunities. You can go 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.440 to Q school. If you go to Asian Q school 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.920 Europe and say PGA two school, there's three I can 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.120 think of straight away, the three main ones, I guess. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.560 And if you can go to those three over three years, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.360 that's nine cracks out. If you can do everything right, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.839 but a good caddy on your bad prepare probably know 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.360 someone that's doing the wins for you, probably someone that's 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:40.680 been there and done it before. If you can do 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.079 that nine times, you're going to get through one of 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.040 those nine times. And you know what, if you can't 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.480 get through nine times, probably golf is probably not the 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.480 thing for you if you can't perform under the gun, 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.719 because sometimes you're just out of form, you know, and 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.840 always we always want to be informed, but you can't 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.240 put your finger on that and say I want to 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:56.880 be I want to peak for that week. It's it's 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.319 not like that. You just got to grind it out 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.320 and try and get through and yeah, because there's a 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.920 long whites around to the next year for another Q school. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:11.920 So the holy grail has always been the PGA tour. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.120 I mean that's what everybody grew up wanting to play. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.560 Live came around last year. You had an opportunity. Listen 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:24.400 the media and the fans, they know that there are 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.440 a lot of people that went to Live and got 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:31.160 the bag. They made tens of millions, hundreds of millions 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.679 of dollars. You were not that guy. Absolutely, you were 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.800 a player that it traveled and played on tours all 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.440 over the world. You're in your early forties, you're married, 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.920 you have children. The cliche that and the knock against 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.680 Live is that everybody went for the money. You didn't 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.480 go for the money because you didn't get the bag. Absolutely, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.679 the decision to go in your early forties, the opportunity 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.320 to do it. Talk us through what that thought process 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.960 was like, did you agonize over the decision, were you 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.559 worried about decision? And ultimately why did you make the 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.760 choice to do it? Well, through my whole career, like 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.560 I touched on before, I've just tried to put the 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.960 best schedule of events I can possibly get together over 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.320 a twenty two twenty six week schedule each year, you know, 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.079 and if Live fits in, that it fits. And I've 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.840 played Asia, Europe, Australasia, everything every year and people like 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.719 Scott hand and good made of mind, he's exactly the same. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.120 We've just pieced together the best twenty four twenty five 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.840 events by that you had status in absolutely absolutely and 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.079 when Live come along, I did exactly the same thing. 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.719 There's no there's no golden handshakes, says nothing. I was 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.440 just happy to be in the right position on the 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.240 order of merit on the Asian two at the time. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.200 When Live come around, and if Tom Kim decided to play, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.360 I wasn't getting a hit. He decided to go the 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.520 PGA tour route. I was in so happy days for me. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.600 I went to London and I didn't look back, and 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.440 there's been an amazing opportunity and yeah, I'm still here 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.680 because I do think that, Listen, I do think that 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:01.720 there is a part of the media that is very 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.439 much PGA tour centric. PGA tour part I mean, I love, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.520 I mean, I think at this point that is somewhat obvious, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.400 and the narrative is it was all about money. It 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.680 was all about money. It was all for you. There 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.520 was no upfront money, There was no millions of dollars 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.680 in the bank to go play live, and here's an opportunity. 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.760 So now that you don't have to worry about money, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.760 you just saw, Okay, this is the schedule they're going 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.240 to play. These are the events that they put on, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.480 and at this stage of my career it was attractive. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.840 And then the majority of last year you were on 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:42.000 Cam Smith's live team. I mean that experience. I don't 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.400 think people that are the people that aren't a part 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.920 of the live ecosystem like we are, and people that 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.120 aren't at every tournament like that, I really don't think 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:56.960 they understand how important, but how much the team concept 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.360 is really taken off. What was it like last year 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.280 having the opportunity on playing You've got the reigning Open champion, 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.360 the reigning Players Champion, arguably one of the top three 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.000 players in the world. What was it like being around 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.400 Cam last year in that experience to be on his team. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.160 I actually spoke about this this exact thing yesterday. You know, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.360 I had the golden seat last year. You know, I 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.520 obviously started off as a captain for that Punch team. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.880 Cam come in probably a third of the way through 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.600 the season, and we have a little warm up box 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.560 where there's four guys warm up in your little box 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.760 there on the range, and we always gave I always 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.360 gave Cam the front, the front spot, the first slot, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:32.840 and I was always right behind him, so I had 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.480 the box seat to see him warm up. When a 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.160 guy's having a year like Cam one, or Cam did 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.320 last year, think he won five times globally. You know, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.760 there's only a handful of players in the last twenty 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.080 five years that I've had seasons that even come close 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.440 to that. One guy's had him a few times. But yeah, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.360 to just to see that, and I say this today, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.520 you know, just to see the stripes, see the rhythm, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.440 to see the dedication, the focus he has warming up 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.000 all that thing, and I've got the perfect spot to see. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:00.800 I see all these flights and you almost pick up 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.920 on their rhythm, you pick up on their feeling, you 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:08.080 ride the way with them, and um, that's invaluable. Especially 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.320 Cam being a similar sized player to me, you know, 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.680 you can kind of some of that kind of goes 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.160 into and he's from the places. Yeah. Absolutely, we had 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.520 a great time, you know, so you know, we have 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.400 a lot of the same interests. He's a great guy's 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.320 a down to earth guy, and all the oddsies genuinely 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.040 are so. So we had a we had a real 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.800 good camaraderie amongst the team there. You know, we went 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.360 we went really close in Miami. Could have been one better, 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.040 but now we had. We had a good time out 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.640 there and Cam, like I said, when any players in 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.560 that kind of space in their career, it's just infectious 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.960 to be around him. And I'm still trying to pull 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.840 bits out of his game and try to adapt him 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.880 to mind. Yeah. Pat Perez said the same thing when 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.960 he had the opportunity to come to Live he said, 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:49.640 listen for me to have the opportunity to be on 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.120 Dustin Johnson's team, to play on my practice rounds with DJ, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.720 to warm up and watch the way he practices, to 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.880 be able to pick their brain. What are some of 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:03.680 the things that you've learned from watching Cam for the 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.560 last year and being around him that you've said, Okay, 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.879 I can take that and apply it to my game. Okay, well, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.840 I think come, come warm up time he's eyes on. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.760 You know, there's no more stuffing around because we have 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.280 a lot of fun in the locker room and fun 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.040 at dinners than that. But you give that two hour 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.199 window when it kind of comes to go time and 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.480 he is eyes on, you're not getting inside there, and 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.280 you don't want to get inside because you don't upset 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.800 the process. But Cam's got a great team around Him's 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.960 got a great psychologist, he's got a great coach, he's 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.399 got a good trainer. I hope I'm not missing anyone 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:38.280 out there, but yeah, there's Alwase guys, caddy Yeah, great caddies. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.560 I mean Pinner does the hard yards out there. So 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.119 there's four guys immediately before his management team, you know, 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.680 which are fully invested in the guy. And I think 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.080 what Cam does really well, he just lets everyone do 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.960 their thing. He doesn't micro manage that. He's just he's 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.560 just a man in the middle and they do their 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.880 thing and he just pushes the engine along and he's 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.840 the last guy doing the last bit. You know, he's 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.720 not over complicating things. But it's a world oil machine, 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.520 the Cam Smith machine at the moment, and then everyone's 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.760 everyone's playing their little part in that, and that's what 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.119 makes a player go. What everyone sees on TV is 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.200 just the end product. This guy holding a ten footing 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:12.520 and over. He's good at every part of the game. 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.040 He's an unbelievable I'm player pretty a lot better than 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.680 whatever anyone ever gives him credit for. And short games exceptional, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.920