Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guest Wade Ormsby. If you
Speaker 1: don't know who Wade is, He's been playing tours all
Speaker 1: over the world, recent winner on the Asian Tour out
Speaker 1: in Thailand. One of the guys that made the decision
Speaker 1: last year to make the move to live. He was
Speaker 1: on Cam Smith's team last year. But unlike a lot
Speaker 1: of players that I think everybody's heard about, he didn't
Speaker 1: get the back, he didn't get any money upfront. But
Speaker 1: he's at a stage in his career where he thought
Speaker 1: it was a good move and that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I wanted to talk to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've known him for a long time. He's one of
Speaker 1: professional golf globetrotters. He's played on tours all over the world, Asia, Europe,
Speaker 1: South Africa, Australasia, did a stint on what's now the Web.
Speaker 1: But back then, you know, maybe five six years ago,
Speaker 1: had some status on the corn Ferry, which it was
Speaker 1: corn Fairy. I think I don't even know what it
Speaker 1: was called back then when he was playing it. But um,
Speaker 1: he's always been a very very good ball striker. Who
Speaker 1: played his college golf in the United States at the
Speaker 1: University of Houston. And like I said, he's just one
Speaker 1: of those players that, given the fact that he was
Speaker 1: from Australia, he had to try and figure out a
Speaker 1: place to play and and and that's I think that
Speaker 1: there were more players like him than there are the
Speaker 1: guys that you see on full swing flying around on
Speaker 1: private jets. So I think it's a really good interview.
Speaker 1: I really like Wade Ormsby's golf swing and um, I
Speaker 1: think it's a good interview. So sit back and enjoy
Speaker 1: Wade Ormsby. All Right, Wade, um your journey to where
Speaker 1: you are today. I mean, I think I always find
Speaker 1: it really interesting, you know, the guys from South Africa,
Speaker 1: the guys from Australia. I mean, it's it's so far
Speaker 1: to go to get out of that situation, and I
Speaker 1: think so many players, I mean, it just seems normal
Speaker 1: now out. I mean, you went to play college golf
Speaker 1: in America and went to the University of Houston. But
Speaker 1: that's to get to that point. It's not easy when
Speaker 1: you live in Australia to get on the radar of
Speaker 1: college golf coaches. You guys make it look easy. Talk
Speaker 1: to me about that process, what you were like is
Speaker 1: a junior and how you got made that big jump
Speaker 1: to go play college golf in America and kind of
Speaker 1: start your really competitive career. Yeah. Absolutely, We're a long
Speaker 1: way away from the rest of the world down there
Speaker 1: in Australia, you know. So yeah, I guess when you
Speaker 1: start playing golf in twelve thirteen and you start getting
Speaker 1: a little bit better, and then you start looking at
Speaker 1: junior golf and start looking at golf in America and
Speaker 1: all that, and you kind of want to get there.
Speaker 1: So by first and foremost just trying to get good
Speaker 1: in Australia, and then for me, the college golf scene
Speaker 1: was really kicking off and a few guys from Australia
Speaker 1: were starting to go. So I'm from Adelaide in Australia,
Speaker 1: which isn't Melbourne and Sydney. It's not as big as
Speaker 1: big as city, so we didn't have access to so
Speaker 1: much of the big programs, I guess, so I had
Speaker 1: to kind of look at other avenues, you know. The
Speaker 1: Australian Institute of Sport was an option for me, but
Speaker 1: then college golf was where my head was at. So
Speaker 1: had a pretty good run I think ninety six OSSI
Speaker 1: amateur and that kind of put me on the radar
Speaker 1: a bit of for I guess us college coaches. And
Speaker 1: then I've got a few recruiting trips. One here in
Speaker 1: Tuson actually, coach Rick Leros come up and saw me.
Speaker 1: I'll come here back in ninety seven, I think for
Speaker 1: a recruiting trip. So um, yeah, you just you do
Speaker 1: got to travel. You do got to get out of
Speaker 1: Australia to try and get that Northern Hemisphere golf. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a long way away from home, but that's the
Speaker 1: plunge you got to make to try to be good
Speaker 1: in this game. So forty two, Adam Scott, you and
Speaker 1: Scotty kind of grew up together. And was he was
Speaker 1: he the same as he was as a kid as
Speaker 1: he is now? I mean, was he the guy that
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to be? The cool guy? I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: Scotty's blessed with it all right. I mean, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good looking guy, he's in great shape. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: over six feet time and he's got to me one
Speaker 1: of the greatest golf swings of all time. What was
Speaker 1: Scotty like as a kid, and what was it like
Speaker 1: playing junior golf with him? Because to this day, if
Speaker 1: you're at a tournament and you and Scottie were both
Speaker 1: in the field, you guys are going to play practice round. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: were still great mate. So I spent a bit of
Speaker 1: time with him before the season up up in Queensland.
Speaker 1: But yeah, going back, you know, both our dads are
Speaker 1: golf pros and they both knew each other. And then
Speaker 1: he's originally from Adelaide, even though moved to Queensland as
Speaker 1: a young bloke. And yeah, exactly, so we went all
Speaker 1: the way through junior golf. YEP. Scotty was a lot better.
Speaker 1: He was just I remember watching him at fourteen and
Speaker 1: he was hitting shots like a grown man and ball
Speaker 1: flights like that, and I was just trying to scrap
Speaker 1: it down the middle of the fairway and try and
Speaker 1: punch out a number of which and try to try
Speaker 1: to hang on to him. But we had Aaron Baddeley
Speaker 1: was coming through there at the same time. He was
Speaker 1: seriously good. And yes, so I think Scottie and I
Speaker 1: both went to college at the same time and he
Speaker 1: didn't last as long as me. I didn't last a distance.
Speaker 1: But I think we've made the right decision now. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult you're trying to map your own
Speaker 1: way through there. I remember being out in Vegas playing
Speaker 1: the I think it was a golf digest back then
Speaker 1: on things that your dad's course at Rio's sacre and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put my best Adam Scott Tiger impersonation
Speaker 1: as your dad's walking up and down the line there.
Speaker 1: So no, it's um, yeah, it's yeah. I love hanging
Speaker 1: around Adam. You know, he's such a such a great
Speaker 1: role model. Even though it's a similar age to me,
Speaker 1: I still look up to him. He does so many
Speaker 1: things right and he's a great guys every bit that
Speaker 1: you see. Why do you think we've had so many
Speaker 1: great players? I mean, I ask Scottie this question. I'm
Speaker 1: out of the pod last year. What do you think
Speaker 1: we've had so many great players come out of Australia.
Speaker 1: I mean the list is, you know, you've got Adam Scotts,
Speaker 1: You've got the Greg Norman's, You've got guys like Wayne
Speaker 1: Grady who won major champions of Peter Thompson, Steve Elkton,
Speaker 1: there is this There are those that have come before
Speaker 1: all of the guys and now Cam Smith has won
Speaker 1: a major championship. Jason Day, what is it about Australia
Speaker 1: that is bred and given us so many great players? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably can't put my finger on the exact thing,
Speaker 1: you know, but we are a sports mad country and
Speaker 1: we do Yeah, we're doing love competing and we're pretty
Speaker 1: tough competitive thing. And I think with professional golf individual
Speaker 1: lot we touched on before you got to go to
Speaker 1: the Northern Hemisphere, you got to give up a lot
Speaker 1: of home. You got to give up everything your family
Speaker 1: to go and chase your dreams of being a professional golfer.
Speaker 1: And and it's tough, you know. I remember going to
Speaker 1: college and I almost contemplated not going because yeah, it
Speaker 1: was pretty close to my family. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to take this plunge if I want to
Speaker 1: be any good. And and I'm still going, I'm still chasing,
Speaker 1: I'm still pushing. What that twenty five years later? And
Speaker 1: that's I think it makes it pretty tough when you
Speaker 1: leave home. You know, you just got to make it stick.
Speaker 1: You can't fly home and see your parents and see
Speaker 1: your family on a Sunday night, like a lot of
Speaker 1: guys in America and Europe can do. You just got
Speaker 1: to stick it out and put some good people around
Speaker 1: you and try and survive out there, because it's pretty
Speaker 1: tough sometimes. You mentioned that you know the Aussi you
Speaker 1: said that choose to continue to live in down in
Speaker 1: Australia regardless of which tour you're playing. If you're playing
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, if you're playing in Europe, it's
Speaker 1: not a miss to cut on a Friday night and
Speaker 1: I get home tape think you have to go out
Speaker 1: and that it's interesting you mentioned that you have to
Speaker 1: go if you're going to play on the European Tour,
Speaker 1: which you have, you're in the path. You know that
Speaker 1: if you're going to go play three or four events,
Speaker 1: regardless of whether you make the cuts, play well, you're
Speaker 1: out for three to three weeks or a month. There
Speaker 1: isn't the opportunity to just nip home for a couple
Speaker 1: of days, see the family and then come back out. Geographically,
Speaker 1: It makes it very very difficult. Do you think that's
Speaker 1: that helps you, That makes you more determined and helps
Speaker 1: you get through a lot of the stuff that the
Speaker 1: professional game throws at you. Ye. Absolutely, it's It definitely
Speaker 1: makes it tougher, but I think it kind of makes
Speaker 1: you tougher as a person too. You know, there's definitely
Speaker 1: times and I've had some horrendous times on two when
Speaker 1: you're missing cuts on a whole run. You've gone away
Speaker 1: for a four week swing and you miss the first
Speaker 1: three cuts. You know, what kind of what am I
Speaker 1: doing out here? But I think a few things have
Speaker 1: made it easier too, you know, like as scheduling, you
Speaker 1: can't wait for the schedule to come out to try
Speaker 1: and to put blocks of tournaments together so you can
Speaker 1: do a little three or four week run to make
Speaker 1: it I guess economically viable. It's going to do it
Speaker 1: because we are it is our job. You just can't
Speaker 1: go back and forward because it costs so much to travel.
Speaker 1: But I think the Middle Eastern airlines have made it
Speaker 1: easier for us to travel to you're going to. We
Speaker 1: can one hop into Europe with good connections now with
Speaker 1: Emirates and Katar through to Buy and Dohar now, So
Speaker 1: that's made it easier. Before we had to go through
Speaker 1: Singapore and do layovers and all that. So all that
Speaker 1: stuff made it easier for us. But as we all
Speaker 1: know at the moment traveling long haules is very expensive.
Speaker 1: So no, it's um, absolutely it's tricky, but that's that's
Speaker 1: just where we live, and we still I choose to
Speaker 1: live in Australia and I have my family around me,
Speaker 1: and home's home, so I love practicing at home and
Speaker 1: I just try to make the most of the schedule.
Speaker 1: I choose. You're in your early forties, but you are
Speaker 1: one of these players as an international golfer that I
Speaker 1: have globe trotted all over the world. You've played the
Speaker 1: Asian Tour, You've played the Deep World Tour, which was
Speaker 1: the old European Tour. You've played PGA Tour Australasia, You've
Speaker 1: played the Challenge Tour, You've played the Nationwide which just
Speaker 1: now the was what is it now? Fairy was the
Speaker 1: way it was the Nationwide and it was the way
Speaker 1: it was corn Ferry. Now, you made last year the
Speaker 1: choice to play on Live as a as kind of
Speaker 1: a globe trotter and as someone that has traveled all
Speaker 1: over the world. Talk to the listeners worried about how
Speaker 1: how many times have you gone to European Q school.
Speaker 1: I think I've got my own locker at European qu Scool.
Speaker 1: But I think it's been i'd say four to six times,
Speaker 1: and I always wouldn't say I had a knack. I
Speaker 1: just always kind of got through q SCO. I think
Speaker 1: I only ever missed one. I had a pretty good
Speaker 1: attitude when I went there. I'm like, hang on, everyone's
Speaker 1: back here for a reason. The good players are back
Speaker 1: here for a reason, and you just knuckle down for
Speaker 1: the week, put a good caddy on the back. You
Speaker 1: don't have to win. You just got to find a
Speaker 1: way to nut it out and get your card back
Speaker 1: because that status is everything. But yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: I've played everywhere, but it's kind of not always been
Speaker 1: because of choice. You know. You just want to take
Speaker 1: the best opportunity you can to try to make the
Speaker 1: most of your career. You know, I've never been a
Speaker 1: great play I've just tried to make the most of
Speaker 1: my opportunities. And some years I've had great status, other
Speaker 1: years I've had average status. And you've got to go
Speaker 1: a bit wider and go to a certain tools you
Speaker 1: don't particularly want to play on, but that's all I've got.
Speaker 1: So you've got to try and piece together the best
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty eight week schedule, and yes it is.
Speaker 1: Glides were based around prize money because that's what pays
Speaker 1: the bills, and some of those tours barely do that
Speaker 1: for you. So there's been times in my career. I
Speaker 1: think around in twenty eleven twelve and I was in
Speaker 1: a pretty low place and my game wasn't great and
Speaker 1: I had to take a few steps back. But it
Speaker 1: kind of makes you tougher, it makes it more enjoyable
Speaker 1: when you start kind of getting going again. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I've played everywhere pretty much, but live has been great.
Speaker 1: What is the secret as someone that has gone to
Speaker 1: Q school numerous times and gotten through and gotten your card,
Speaker 1: what is the secret for that? Because obviously I coach
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are trying to get status.
Speaker 1: They're going to PGA Tour, Canada Qualifying School, they're going
Speaker 1: to Latin America Qualifying School, they're going to DP World,
Speaker 1: they're going to Asian Tour. There are guys that seem
Speaker 1: to be able to do that when they need to,
Speaker 1: and then as you know where you've grew up with them,
Speaker 1: you still there are great players that absolutely they struggle
Speaker 1: at that hurdle to get through Qualifying school regardless of
Speaker 1: what the tour is. What are the secrets as someone
Speaker 1: who's done it a bunch to kind of get through it? Well,
Speaker 1: I guess there's no real secret, but it's all in preparation.
Speaker 1: Sports all about process now, and like when people ask me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, give yourself as many opportunities. You can go
Speaker 1: to Q school. If you go to Asian Q school
Speaker 1: Europe and say PGA two school, there's three I can
Speaker 1: think of straight away, the three main ones, I guess.
Speaker 1: And if you can go to those three over three years,
Speaker 1: that's nine cracks out. If you can do everything right,
Speaker 1: but a good caddy on your bad prepare probably know
Speaker 1: someone that's doing the wins for you, probably someone that's
Speaker 1: been there and done it before. If you can do
Speaker 1: that nine times, you're going to get through one of
Speaker 1: those nine times. And you know what, if you can't
Speaker 1: get through nine times, probably golf is probably not the
Speaker 1: thing for you if you can't perform under the gun,
Speaker 1: because sometimes you're just out of form, you know, and
Speaker 1: always we always want to be informed, but you can't
Speaker 1: put your finger on that and say I want to
Speaker 1: be I want to peak for that week. It's it's
Speaker 1: not like that. You just got to grind it out
Speaker 1: and try and get through and yeah, because there's a
Speaker 1: long whites around to the next year for another Q school.
Speaker 1: So the holy grail has always been the PGA tour.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what everybody grew up wanting to play.
Speaker 1: Live came around last year. You had an opportunity. Listen
Speaker 1: the media and the fans, they know that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people that went to Live and got
Speaker 1: the bag. They made tens of millions, hundreds of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars. You were not that guy. Absolutely, you were
Speaker 1: a player that it traveled and played on tours all
Speaker 1: over the world. You're in your early forties, you're married,
Speaker 1: you have children. The cliche that and the knock against
Speaker 1: Live is that everybody went for the money. You didn't
Speaker 1: go for the money because you didn't get the bag. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: the decision to go in your early forties, the opportunity
Speaker 1: to do it. Talk us through what that thought process
Speaker 1: was like, did you agonize over the decision, were you
Speaker 1: worried about decision? And ultimately why did you make the
Speaker 1: choice to do it? Well, through my whole career, like
Speaker 1: I touched on before, I've just tried to put the
Speaker 1: best schedule of events I can possibly get together over
Speaker 1: a twenty two twenty six week schedule each year, you know,
Speaker 1: and if Live fits in, that it fits. And I've
Speaker 1: played Asia, Europe, Australasia, everything every year and people like
Speaker 1: Scott hand and good made of mind, he's exactly the same.
Speaker 1: We've just pieced together the best twenty four twenty five
Speaker 1: events by that you had status in absolutely absolutely and
Speaker 1: when Live come along, I did exactly the same thing.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no golden handshakes, says nothing. I was
Speaker 1: just happy to be in the right position on the
Speaker 1: order of merit on the Asian two at the time.
Speaker 1: When Live come around, and if Tom Kim decided to play,
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting a hit. He decided to go the
Speaker 1: PGA tour route. I was in so happy days for me.
Speaker 1: I went to London and I didn't look back, and
Speaker 1: there's been an amazing opportunity and yeah, I'm still here
Speaker 1: because I do think that, Listen, I do think that
Speaker 1: there is a part of the media that is very
Speaker 1: much PGA tour centric. PGA tour part I mean, I love,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think at this point that is somewhat obvious,
Speaker 1: and the narrative is it was all about money. It
Speaker 1: was all about money. It was all for you. There
Speaker 1: was no upfront money, There was no millions of dollars
Speaker 1: in the bank to go play live, and here's an opportunity.
Speaker 1: So now that you don't have to worry about money,
Speaker 1: you just saw, Okay, this is the schedule they're going
Speaker 1: to play. These are the events that they put on,
Speaker 1: and at this stage of my career it was attractive.
Speaker 1: And then the majority of last year you were on
Speaker 1: Cam Smith's live team. I mean that experience. I don't
Speaker 1: think people that are the people that aren't a part
Speaker 1: of the live ecosystem like we are, and people that
Speaker 1: aren't at every tournament like that, I really don't think
Speaker 1: they understand how important, but how much the team concept
Speaker 1: is really taken off. What was it like last year
Speaker 1: having the opportunity on playing You've got the reigning Open champion,
Speaker 1: the reigning Players Champion, arguably one of the top three
Speaker 1: players in the world. What was it like being around
Speaker 1: Cam last year in that experience to be on his team.
Speaker 1: I actually spoke about this this exact thing yesterday. You know,
Speaker 1: I had the golden seat last year. You know, I
Speaker 1: obviously started off as a captain for that Punch team.
Speaker 1: Cam come in probably a third of the way through
Speaker 1: the season, and we have a little warm up box
Speaker 1: where there's four guys warm up in your little box
Speaker 1: there on the range, and we always gave I always
Speaker 1: gave Cam the front, the front spot, the first slot,
Speaker 1: and I was always right behind him, so I had
Speaker 1: the box seat to see him warm up. When a
Speaker 1: guy's having a year like Cam one, or Cam did
Speaker 1: last year, think he won five times globally. You know,
Speaker 1: there's only a handful of players in the last twenty
Speaker 1: five years that I've had seasons that even come close
Speaker 1: to that. One guy's had him a few times. But yeah,
Speaker 1: to just to see that, and I say this today,
Speaker 1: you know, just to see the stripes, see the rhythm,
Speaker 1: to see the dedication, the focus he has warming up
Speaker 1: all that thing, and I've got the perfect spot to see.
Speaker 1: I see all these flights and you almost pick up
Speaker 1: on their rhythm, you pick up on their feeling, you
Speaker 1: ride the way with them, and um, that's invaluable. Especially
Speaker 1: Cam being a similar sized player to me, you know,
Speaker 1: you can kind of some of that kind of goes
Speaker 1: into and he's from the places. Yeah. Absolutely, we had
Speaker 1: a great time, you know, so you know, we have
Speaker 1: a lot of the same interests. He's a great guy's
Speaker 1: a down to earth guy, and all the oddsies genuinely
Speaker 1: are so. So we had a we had a real
Speaker 1: good camaraderie amongst the team there. You know, we went
Speaker 1: we went really close in Miami. Could have been one better,
Speaker 1: but now we had. We had a good time out
Speaker 1: there and Cam, like I said, when any players in
Speaker 1: that kind of space in their career, it's just infectious
Speaker 1: to be around him. And I'm still trying to pull
Speaker 1: bits out of his game and try to adapt him
Speaker 1: to mind. Yeah. Pat Perez said the same thing when
Speaker 1: he had the opportunity to come to Live he said,
Speaker 1: listen for me to have the opportunity to be on
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson's team, to play on my practice rounds with DJ,
Speaker 1: to warm up and watch the way he practices, to
Speaker 1: be able to pick their brain. What are some of
Speaker 1: the things that you've learned from watching Cam for the
Speaker 1: last year and being around him that you've said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can take that and apply it to my game. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I think come, come warm up time he's eyes on.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no more stuffing around because we have
Speaker 1: a lot of fun in the locker room and fun
Speaker 1: at dinners than that. But you give that two hour
Speaker 1: window when it kind of comes to go time and
Speaker 1: he is eyes on, you're not getting inside there, and
Speaker 1: you don't want to get inside because you don't upset
Speaker 1: the process. But Cam's got a great team around Him's
Speaker 1: got a great psychologist, he's got a great coach, he's
Speaker 1: got a good trainer. I hope I'm not missing anyone
Speaker 1: out there, but yeah, there's Alwase guys, caddy Yeah, great caddies.
Speaker 1: I mean Pinner does the hard yards out there. So
Speaker 1: there's four guys immediately before his management team, you know,
Speaker 1: which are fully invested in the guy. And I think
Speaker 1: what Cam does really well, he just lets everyone do
Speaker 1: their thing. He doesn't micro manage that. He's just he's
Speaker 1: just a man in the middle and they do their
Speaker 1: thing and he just pushes the engine along and he's
Speaker 1: the last guy doing the last bit. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not over complicating things. But it's a world oil machine,
Speaker 1: the Cam Smith machine at the moment, and then everyone's
Speaker 1: everyone's playing their little part in that, and that's what
Speaker 1: makes a player go. What everyone sees on TV is
Speaker 1: just the end product. This guy holding a ten footing
Speaker 1: and over. He's good at every part of the game.
Speaker 1: He's an unbelievable I'm player pretty a lot better than
Speaker 1: whatever anyone ever gives him credit for. And short games exceptional,
Speaker 1: puddings exceptional. But I think inside the heads he's a
Speaker 1: pretty bulletproof to it, and he's a winner. You mentioned
Speaker 1: the putting, I mean the way he putted last year.
Speaker 1: Has he always been like that? I mean you've been
Speaker 1: around him a lot, You've played a lot of golf him.
Speaker 1: Has he always had this and neat ability on the greens,
Speaker 1: because in my opinion, he's very much I mean I
Speaker 1: throw him up against any of the great potters. I
Speaker 1: mean Jordan obviously, Spith gets all the credit on the page,
Speaker 1: but I mean you watch Cam. I mean he gets
Speaker 1: a twenty five Bertie. I mean you expected him to
Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, they're just burning edges and they're all
Speaker 1: good puts. The ones that don't go in. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of average parts that go pin higher foot
Speaker 1: they don't even have a chance of going in. But
Speaker 1: he's just rolling edges. I think the thing with Cam
Speaker 1: that I really like is is his rhythm all the
Speaker 1: way through his game, you know, and he's putting his
Speaker 1: rhythms beautiful. He's pitching his rhythm and he carries a
Speaker 1: lot of length and everything, even his goalswing. You very
Speaker 1: rarely see Cameron Smith out of balance, you know, I think,
Speaker 1: And that's a trait that some of the best players
Speaker 1: in the world have, you know, they're just in balance
Speaker 1: all the time. And I guess it's you can probably
Speaker 1: tell me more than I can tell you, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of a sign of nice kind of sequence and nice,
Speaker 1: nice mechanics and that, and Cam always looks like that.
Speaker 1: He's never leaning and whatever else. He has a couple
Speaker 1: of odd one handed finishes, but overall it's really nicely
Speaker 1: balanced in rhythm, and I think that goes all through
Speaker 1: his game. And sometimes we're always so stuck in looking
Speaker 1: at positions or what equipment and all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: but there's a beautiful sequence in there too. And he's
Speaker 1: also one of the things I love about him from
Speaker 1: specifically from a putting standpoint, is he is not a
Speaker 1: technical person when it comes to his putting, and I
Speaker 1: think so many people listening can learn from. There are
Speaker 1: people that are a very mechanical with their putting, and
Speaker 1: that works for them, I think Cam, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: would agree. It's the type of player that if you
Speaker 1: tried to fill his head with the mechanics of putting,
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't work. His approach, like you said, he's
Speaker 1: the thing that I'm morvel about is his speed on
Speaker 1: the golf course. The way his ball rolls is it's
Speaker 1: almost like it's a forgotten art, the way the ball
Speaker 1: is rolling and how well he rules the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree. It's so easy to get sucked into
Speaker 1: the other side and the mechanics and the squareness of things,
Speaker 1: and you forget about that flow and getting the actual
Speaker 1: thing rolling rather than just getting it starting online. Yeah,
Speaker 1: rolls so important because that transfers into speed and everything else.
Speaker 1: And like we said, Cam's got that, and all the
Speaker 1: best players wins up putting well. Scottie Scheffler a great putter.
Speaker 1: Tigert probably one of the purest role of the ball.
Speaker 1: Greg Norman I never got the pretty credit for his
Speaker 1: putting that he probably deserved. Probably one of the best
Speaker 1: putters around all the way through that era. And they
Speaker 1: all had beautiful role and I'm trying to put some
Speaker 1: of that into my game. You know, I've always been
Speaker 1: a really good putter from short range just because I
Speaker 1: have beautiful alignment and a lot starting the ball in
Speaker 1: aligne was never my problem, but I always struggled with role,
Speaker 1: especially late in a tournament. So I've tried to lengthen
Speaker 1: my stroke to try to get kind of less kind
Speaker 1: of to try to get the speed come on more
Speaker 1: smoothly in my stroke, I guess, and all this is
Speaker 1: stuff from trying to grab from from cam and then
Speaker 1: you start to see another player. Brad Faxson was one
Speaker 1: beautifully like that beautiful stroke and rhythm. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're coming off a win on the International Series on
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour. It'd been a couple of years since
Speaker 1: you won. Obviously, professional golf, professional sports, there is no
Speaker 1: substitute for winning. Talk us through. When you do get wins,
Speaker 1: what do you look back on and do you look
Speaker 1: back and say, Okay, what do they do well winning
Speaker 1: in Thailand a couple of weeks ago, and what are
Speaker 1: some of the things that I can do? Because I
Speaker 1: always I think it's really interesting when guys win it's
Speaker 1: a cliche in my head, but you don't have to
Speaker 1: play that good to win, do you. You don't have
Speaker 1: to shoot sixty Yeah, if you go out and shoot
Speaker 1: sixty four, sixty four, sixty four, you're probably going to
Speaker 1: have the league going into Sunday. That doesn't always happen.
Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you did well
Speaker 1: in Thailand a couple of weeks ago to get another
Speaker 1: win on the Asian Tour that you've felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's something that I can maybe try and take Was
Speaker 1: it technical? Was it mental? Was its strategy? What was it? Well?
Speaker 1: You know what golf's like, and you know what it's
Speaker 1: like working with players you are You're always pushing, you
Speaker 1: always talking about your game. Hey you can massage your
Speaker 1: how you can get it better? You know? But I
Speaker 1: probably have to go back a little bit earlier in
Speaker 1: the year. I started working with Grant Field, Cams coach,
Speaker 1: and I've been working on my golf swing. And as
Speaker 1: we always do, as always constant evolution our golf swings,
Speaker 1: You're never just always trying to make it how I
Speaker 1: used to be. You're always trying to get it better.
Speaker 1: But I knew I was hitting it as good as
Speaker 1: I have in the last probably four or five years.
Speaker 1: And the week before news in and Open, I hit
Speaker 1: a fantastic three part of the last and missed the
Speaker 1: cup by a shot. And I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: I've been that angry walking off a golf course for
Speaker 1: a long time, because I knew I was playing good enough.
Speaker 1: I hit one out of bounds, had five or three
Speaker 1: puts in two rounds, and I was seven shots out
Speaker 1: of the lead. But I'm going home, and I was
Speaker 1: so pissed off of myself, and so I just really
Speaker 1: wanted to knuckle down and kind of obviously get on
Speaker 1: top of the pudding. That next week in Thailand, and
Speaker 1: straight after I got up there and I tried to
Speaker 1: get out of my technique a little bit more, try
Speaker 1: to get the ball rollings that like we just spoke
Speaker 1: about and go back to a couple of old fields.
Speaker 1: But it was still along with the lines of what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, and I just started to get the
Speaker 1: ball rolling. But I knew I was hitting the ball strong.
Speaker 1: So through two rounds, I think I was around I've
Speaker 1: known the mid teens, but I'd made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1: I thought if I cleaned that up, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be pretty close, and I did. I hold some good
Speaker 1: puts in the back nine on Sunday and got myself
Speaker 1: in a playoff and fortunately fortunately made that part in
Speaker 1: the playoff. So yeah, it's just always a little bit.
Speaker 1: You never that far away. And yeah, so you just
Speaker 1: got to keep on, keep keep pushing, and you never
Speaker 1: know when that winspin's going to come. Obviously, I work
Speaker 1: with a lot of players that are trying to play competitively.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of players that are trying to
Speaker 1: play competitively that balance between the technical part and the
Speaker 1: execution and the strategy. It's my opinion way that a
Speaker 1: lot of people that aren't where they want to be
Speaker 1: playing competitively are so hyper hyper focused on the technique
Speaker 1: side of things, the mechanical side of things. And I
Speaker 1: always try to impress on players Listen, Scottie Scheffler, Roy
Speaker 1: McRoy and John Ram and camp Smith, they're all trying
Speaker 1: to make their golf swings better. That quest never ends.
Speaker 1: You're always trying to improve as as as a technician,
Speaker 1: But the technical side apart, how important is the thought process,
Speaker 1: the strategy and the execution part of actually playing golf.
Speaker 1: Versus practicing golf, because I think everybody that's not at
Speaker 1: the level they want to be at thinks, Okay, if
Speaker 1: I just practice enough, I can. I can practice my
Speaker 1: way to the PGA Tour, to the European Tour, to
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour too, I can. I can practice my
Speaker 1: way there. But to me, a lot of the forgotten
Speaker 1: art is playing golf. Absolutely, yeah, there is a balance there,
Speaker 1: and we're always caught in between, I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm guilty of. You're always trying to find the
Speaker 1: perfect golf swing, but it's not it's not a thing
Speaker 1: that you can grab, you know. It's a good golf
Speaker 1: swing is like a journey, not a place you know
Speaker 1: you'll never you'll you'll never absolutely get it. So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of chasing that too. But yeah, your golf
Speaker 1: slings are only as good as the shots that hits.
Speaker 1: You've got to get it around there and the fields
Speaker 1: that you get through your body when you're trying to
Speaker 1: make it cut on a Friday night sometimes horrendous, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to battle to get it in the house.
Speaker 1: And that's the same as trying to win a golf
Speaker 1: Tom that's never exactly where you want it, and you're
Speaker 1: always fighting it or chasing it or hanging onto it
Speaker 1: or whatever. And some weeks you're just swinging it great
Speaker 1: and got heaps of room in your golf swing. So
Speaker 1: it's all you can do is keep your process going
Speaker 1: and keep trying to make things a little bit better.
Speaker 1: But it's you're like, you're never going to get a
Speaker 1: perfect You're never gonna get this holy grail of swinging
Speaker 1: like Tiger in two thousand and just every golf shot
Speaker 1: comes out how you want and even that year, you know,
Speaker 1: you go back and look at some of the places
Speaker 1: that he hit it probably nowhere near where he wants
Speaker 1: to hit it. So it's been interesting for me here
Speaker 1: at a live event, you know, and unfortunately being first
Speaker 1: reserve and not getting a hit, and you're sitting there
Speaker 1: and watch it on TV and you watch where some
Speaker 1: of these guys hit it, and you're like, these guys,
Speaker 1: I idolize all of them. They're all great players, but
Speaker 1: they do hit it in places where you don't you
Speaker 1: don't expect to hit them. So yeah, exactly right. So
Speaker 1: it kind of it's a bit of a level of
Speaker 1: kind of looking at some of that stuff, and you think,
Speaker 1: hang on, all you're gonna do is keep on hitting
Speaker 1: a bunch of square shots in the general area and
Speaker 1: try to go and play golf, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think as a junior I did a pretty good job
Speaker 1: of that. I didn't think about my golf swing too much.
Speaker 1: I just really loved competing. I love competing now, and
Speaker 1: that's one of the big things that keeps me going
Speaker 1: out here because I love the fight playing golf tournaments.
Speaker 1: And I think once I am finished playing tournament golf,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be hard to play golf to me, honest,
Speaker 1: because I just love the fight of competing. You've won
Speaker 1: the Hong Kong Open in seventeen and twenty twenty, You've
Speaker 1: won multiple times now. If you could go back, wait
Speaker 1: and tell yourself as a freshman getting off an airplane
Speaker 1: at the University of Houston and going and playing and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a forty two year old that's won all over
Speaker 1: the world. I've played all over the world. I'm going
Speaker 1: to give my nineteen twenty year old self some advice.
Speaker 1: What you think is important is this, but it's actually this.
Speaker 1: What would that be? I'm probably going to contradict myself there.
Speaker 1: I probably wanted a better coach back then. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I think process sports becomes so process driven, so I
Speaker 1: can get a few facets of your game, you know,
Speaker 1: exactly like I touched one with Camera's got a few
Speaker 1: good people in key areas. You can get them and
Speaker 1: keep pushing along the process and not deviate from that.
Speaker 1: That's what's going to make you good. Sports spelt that
Speaker 1: out to us now. It's been pretty obviously in the
Speaker 1: last few years. You know, it's not like just keep
Speaker 1: kind of way around then you're gonna have a lucky week.
Speaker 1: You know. We have more control of a lot more
Speaker 1: things now, but it's still an art. It's still golf.
Speaker 1: You know. You've got to have sidelines, you have win
Speaker 1: you have different elements. You know, your body feels different
Speaker 1: every day. There's so many variables every day. But we
Speaker 1: asked trying to not control. But we're still trying to
Speaker 1: organize everything every day to try to make your good
Speaker 1: golf well, I no, not so far away from your
Speaker 1: bad golf, you know. So I think my good stuff
Speaker 1: is good, but I'm gonna make my bad stuff better,
Speaker 1: So get that balance out. I guess this crazy debate
Speaker 1: between the PGA Tour and Live. As someone who has
Speaker 1: played on all of these, what do you think or
Speaker 1: the positives for Live for players excluding the money conversation
Speaker 1: right now, because everybody just wants to focus on the
Speaker 1: money conversation. But again, you played Live for an entire year.
Speaker 1: Last year, you'd no upfront money. So whatever you made,
Speaker 1: you made. What do you think can be the positive
Speaker 1: moving forward? And do you see that there is a
Speaker 1: way that everybody could maybe just coexist and this whole
Speaker 1: kind of debate become a little less aggressive and bottled volatile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess from a player straight away. I think the
Speaker 1: camaraderie in the locker room, in the players lounge, between
Speaker 1: the families, caddies, coaches, staff, everyone's a lot better, a
Speaker 1: lot more positive. And so that's the first thing. I think.
Speaker 1: The sport's got to be more global, The tool has
Speaker 1: got to be more global, and that's exactly what Lives
Speaker 1: set out to. Do you know, I'm a massive Formula
Speaker 1: one fan. I see that model as as a model
Speaker 1: that we need to really chase out here. And they are,
Speaker 1: you know, like Johannesburgs have a tournament soul should have
Speaker 1: a tournament sitting the Australia's being starved for world class
Speaker 1: goal for years, and like you're saying, we've pumped out
Speaker 1: so many good players and were sports mad country, and
Speaker 1: Adelaide's going to prove how much we've been starred because
Speaker 1: I just jumping out of their skin to see this
Speaker 1: golf event down there, to see people like Nicholson and
Speaker 1: all these guys going down there. It's going to be
Speaker 1: so cool to having in my home city seeing all this.
Speaker 1: I'm buzzing about that. But I think I'm just excited
Speaker 1: to be a truly global sport because I just don't
Speaker 1: think it's fair that the PGA Tour should sit so
Speaker 1: much just in America. You know. Yeah, PGO two has
Speaker 1: been the top of the tree for so many years
Speaker 1: and have a lot of players have gravitated there for
Speaker 1: one or another reason, not just money, but yeah, money
Speaker 1: has been a major driver of it. And yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: can we co exist, Yeah maybe in different parts of
Speaker 1: the season. Cricket, I'm Australia. I follow cricket. You know,
Speaker 1: this has happened in cricket and there's four different final
Speaker 1: forms of the game now and they all kind of
Speaker 1: sit together as test cricket. I love major championships, I
Speaker 1: love four rounds. I love the history of golf. At
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, when you got fans loving
Speaker 1: a shotgun, starts great, all that stuff. You know, there's
Speaker 1: so many positives to be had from Live. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just different energy around around the tournament. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they can co exist. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: don't like the fighting going on between it. You know,
Speaker 1: I've got mates on the other side of the fence
Speaker 1: who are still my best mates, and that's just the
Speaker 1: way it is, and we're only doing the best for
Speaker 1: ourselves and that's all we can do. Yeah, I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: there are guys that got the back, right, you know,
Speaker 1: the big stars on Live. They made your real money.
Speaker 1: They were paid like other athletes are paid in other sports.
Speaker 1: But I mean this shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty three, just as in any walk
Speaker 1: of life, yes, trophies, and I think it's really interesting
Speaker 1: that we hear this thing from the PJ Tour trophy
Speaker 1: and legacies, and we hear guys like Rory and Tiger
Speaker 1: and Jordan and JT. You know that that are flying
Speaker 1: around on private jets, you know, Rory and Tiger flying
Speaker 1: around on their own private jets with their initials on
Speaker 1: the back of it, saying it's about trophies and money.
Speaker 1: They're not giving those away if you don't have money.
Speaker 1: And as a player that is trying to globetrot all
Speaker 1: over the world, it takes money to play golf, play
Speaker 1: professional golf, and it's like it's like it's just a
Speaker 1: dirty little secret with the fans that we want golf
Speaker 1: to be this like Weird Truman show Utopia, where everybody's
Speaker 1: just doing it for the greater good. It's not a
Speaker 1: business you're not trying to support. Because anybody that's come
Speaker 1: to live that says, listen, this was an opportunity for
Speaker 1: me to provide a better life for myself and my family.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, that's bad and in any walk
Speaker 1: of life, that would be what everybody's trying to do.
Speaker 1: Absolutely as well. Number one, it's a job. That's how
Speaker 1: I make my money. And I've got a family at
Speaker 1: home and I got to make hey while the sun shines.
Speaker 1: That's that's the simple factor, the whole thing. And if
Speaker 1: it gives me a better opportunity to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at. If I can put it all
Speaker 1: together and play here, there and everywhere, with live being
Speaker 1: a major component of that. Of that, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I'll do. So I've done that my whole career, whether
Speaker 1: it's Asia, Europe, Australia. Like I mentioned before, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to put together the best twenty four
Speaker 1: odd events a year to maximize my own and make
Speaker 1: my bottom line as good as I possibly can. And
Speaker 1: that's a job in that and that's what we're doing
Speaker 1: so and happens to be. That's a sport that I
Speaker 1: love growing up, and I've worked hard enough to stay
Speaker 1: out here and been fortunate enough to stayt here for
Speaker 1: as long as I can. So, Yeah, it's great b
Speaker 1: I here. Greg Norman was a hero online and then
Speaker 1: to be around him is fantastic and I think every
Speaker 1: Australian would echo that. And no, it has been great
Speaker 1: been around the big players too. Yeah. And the other
Speaker 1: thing for everyone listening, it's easy in the US if
Speaker 1: you're from the US and you went to you like yourself.
Speaker 1: But if you were born in the US, you played
Speaker 1: the US college golf system you know the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: If you have access to play the PGA Tour, you're
Speaker 1: obviously going to play there because that's where the best
Speaker 1: players play. But that's where the most money is made.
Speaker 1: So everyone that's not from the US, if you grow
Speaker 1: up in Europe, if you grew up in South Africa,
Speaker 1: if you grew up in Australia, Asia, you're trying to
Speaker 1: get to the PGA Tour obviously because yes, that's where
Speaker 1: all the best players in the world. But you know
Speaker 1: that if you could somehow get on the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: and keep your card win turnips and are living, you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna make a ton of money because that's
Speaker 1: where all the money is being made. That's why every
Speaker 1: great Australian player of all time once the modern modern
Speaker 1: Aussie's we're all trying to go. Wayne Grady played in
Speaker 1: the US, Steve Elkenton played in this a debut, everybody
Speaker 1: played in yours because that's where you could make a living.
Speaker 1: And there is no more tour in Australia. If you
Speaker 1: think about, there used to be an Aussie Swing, There
Speaker 1: used to be the Australasian Tour. There used to be
Speaker 1: all of that's gone. So if you're a professional golfer
Speaker 1: and you're from Australian you want to make a living
Speaker 1: and make the most money you can possibly make, you
Speaker 1: have to go and historically you had to go play
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's because that was
Speaker 1: the holy grail. You know, if you played the tour,
Speaker 1: you had access to get into majors. If you get
Speaker 1: into the majors, you know you're gonna get into the
Speaker 1: whath wgc's, top fifty in the world. All of that, yes,
Speaker 1: was for the sports part of it, but you knew
Speaker 1: if you're top fifty, you're eating it in in the four
Speaker 1: wgc's that's X amount of money because there's no cutting
Speaker 1: those if you get somehow get to the fed X.
Speaker 1: All of these things. The people listening don't realize. You
Speaker 1: think every goal for regardless of where they're playing, thinks
Speaker 1: about the money side of things. Yeah. I have to, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and that's because it's a job, you know, and there's
Speaker 1: so many more things that come into you know, where
Speaker 1: your family from, where your kids go to school, all
Speaker 1: these kind of things. You know, some of the guys
Speaker 1: from Australia have American wives and families and they are stuck.
Speaker 1: We're not stuck here, but they choose to live here now.
Speaker 1: And and myself, I have an Australian wife and family
Speaker 1: and that and that's where home is. You know. There's
Speaker 1: so many different things not pulling in different directions. Everyone
Speaker 1: has their own set of circumstances and that influences your decision.
Speaker 1: And that's just the way it is. That's life. You know.
Speaker 1: I didn't always go on and be line saying I
Speaker 1: want to plan on the European too. You know. I
Speaker 1: bought around the world tickets in some nationwide qualifiers back
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, and I kept on going
Speaker 1: to European Q school A one stage one and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden I find myself at second stage and finals.
Speaker 1: I got my card over there. It wasn't planned, it
Speaker 1: was just that was an opportunity I gave myself and
Speaker 1: that's where I got my first starts, so to speak,
Speaker 1: on a major tour. So Gulf's hard, it's hard to
Speaker 1: get going. But you also realized that if you could
Speaker 1: get on the European tour and follow the model of
Speaker 1: Justin Rose, Scott Scott, Trevor Immelman Ian Poulter come off
Speaker 1: the European Tour and use that as a springboard to
Speaker 1: get to America. You know that, Okay, if I can
Speaker 1: just get into some tournaments from Europe, from Australia, if
Speaker 1: I could get in through my world ranking and get
Speaker 1: into some tournaments, maybe I could do what a guy
Speaker 1: like Tom Kim. I think that's one of the negative
Speaker 1: things that's come out of this whole thing. I had
Speaker 1: Chowman that, who's the commissioner of the Asian Tour, we
Speaker 1: won't see another kid like Tom Kim come out of
Speaker 1: Asia like that, who came off the Asian Tour and
Speaker 1: then got into some European Tour events and as a
Speaker 1: result of playing well in those, then through his world
Speaker 1: ranking got some starts in the US and then played great,
Speaker 1: got full status one and now is you know, a
Speaker 1: rising superstore in America. But that's not going to happen again,
Speaker 1: given the way all of the tours and the way
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is trying to change things to protect
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Yeah. Absolutely, there's like this big great
Speaker 1: dividing golf. At the moment you're on one side of
Speaker 1: the fence or the other side of the fence and
Speaker 1: hopefully we can work together. But at the moment, it's
Speaker 1: not like that, so you just got to kind of
Speaker 1: stay in your lane and do your thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is at the minute. And
Speaker 1: it's someone that played the European Tour for a number
Speaker 1: of times. The European Tour landscape is changing dramatically now
Speaker 1: with the top ten players every year automatically going to
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I wonder and do you wonder what
Speaker 1: the landscape in Europe As a tour that you played
Speaker 1: on and supported for a number of years, do you
Speaker 1: wonder what that landscape looks like in three years? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to wait and see how it
Speaker 1: all plays out. But it doesn't look great at the moment.
Speaker 1: And it's I've got a lot of mates over there,
Speaker 1: so I still speak to a lot of them, and
Speaker 1: I've played most of my golf over there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think going to the start of my career and
Speaker 1: I started off in Europe and I started, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you always have eyes on going to the PGA two
Speaker 1: because that was the next best option. And exactly like
Speaker 1: you said, you try to get top fifty or try
Speaker 1: to sneak your way into w gcs or majors and
Speaker 1: back door your way onto a what do you call it,
Speaker 1: a non members points list onto the PGA Tour, and
Speaker 1: then you've got status, and the way you go you
Speaker 1: get a special exemption to get on the limited invite.
Speaker 1: And the simple fact is I just wouldn't wasn't good
Speaker 1: enough and didn't get the results. So I forged my
Speaker 1: career in Europe, and some years I fought for my position,
Speaker 1: some years I lost my car. Some years I had
Speaker 1: great years. And that's just where I sat in the
Speaker 1: world of golf and European golf, but no Europe. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting time. You know. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff up in the air, a lot of balls
Speaker 1: up in the air at the moment. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: schedules changed massively. COVID come at a particular time the
Speaker 1: tour was getting strong that it probably hit it quite hard.
Speaker 1: I guess I did a great job putting in a
Speaker 1: lot of events, but a lot of lower events. So
Speaker 1: it's just it's just different. You know, it's not supported
Speaker 1: that well by the guys. I guess, let's call them
Speaker 1: the superstars from Europe that go to America because I
Speaker 1: can only play so many weeks because I've focused on
Speaker 1: world ranking points and majors and peeking at the right times,
Speaker 1: and there's so many different things that go into play
Speaker 1: as schedules, you know, and we all get you'll want
Speaker 1: to see everyone every week, but the live bottle, you've
Speaker 1: got that it's like formula one. If you go to Baccu,
Speaker 1: you are going to see Lewis Hamilton and and like
Speaker 1: some guys kind of lesser down, like a Magnusin or whatever.
Speaker 1: No disrespect to Magnusin, but you know you are going
Speaker 1: to see those same twenty twenty two guys every week,
Speaker 1: and live you're seeing those forty eight, whether it's Adelaide,
Speaker 1: Singapore Jetter or Vouter Armor. And that's a really cool
Speaker 1: model and I think that's that's how our partners and
Speaker 1: TV can really benefit from that, and the fans can
Speaker 1: really benefit because you are going to see the guys
Speaker 1: week in, week out, and we all know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a battle for these tours like Europe and and
Speaker 1: PGA Tour to try to get their best guys to
Speaker 1: tee it up every week. It's a big juggling game,
Speaker 1: whether appearance money or or whatever you want to call it. However,
Speaker 1: these guys are getting compensated. You don't know which guys
Speaker 1: are playing which weeks unless it's pre arranged. And Europe's
Speaker 1: it's gonna find that tough. I just can't see how
Speaker 1: they're gonna get great fields, but I don't know what's
Speaker 1: around the corner. Hopefully it picks up over there for
Speaker 1: all those guys, because I got a lot of mates
Speaker 1: that really I really care about and I want them
Speaker 1: to have good careers and earn a good living and
Speaker 1: support their families. Well, another great win for you. Keep
Speaker 1: it going and in true Wade ormsby globetrotting, you know,
Speaker 1: travel your entaire Land last week, Tucson this week, and
Speaker 1: then straight tomorrow night to Hong Kong and the magical
Speaker 1: Mystery Tour continues. Wait, keep playing, good man man, thanks
Speaker 1: for talking to us, Thanks having us on clothes. Mate.
Speaker 1: So that was Wade ormsby and listen, not a household name,
Speaker 1: but a really really good player and someone that has
Speaker 1: played and won all over the world. And I always
Speaker 1: think it's interesting to get a perspective from you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of a guy that's just like everybody else,
Speaker 1: just trying to play as good as he can, win
Speaker 1: as many tournaments as he can, and not a superstar
Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. But the game of
Speaker 1: golf has a lot of players that are really, really good.
Speaker 1: And he's in his early forties, and keep an eye
Speaker 1: out for him. He's going to keep trying to win
Speaker 1: golf tournaments all over the world. So the match play
Speaker 1: last week, Sam Burns beats Cameron Young in the final.
Speaker 1: I know everybody, including Jay Monahan and all the boys
Speaker 1: in Pontovidro were I mean, they were so desperate to
Speaker 1: get Scottie Scheffler and Rory McElroy in the final. They
Speaker 1: didn't make it. And I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: great things about match player. I know there should I
Speaker 1: think there should be more matchplay tournaments. My grandfather made
Speaker 1: it to the semifinals when I think he made it
Speaker 1: to the semifinals twice when the mat when the PGA
Speaker 1: was match play back and I think in the forties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about del kind of
Speaker 1: going away the PGA Tour, doing away with that tournament,
Speaker 1: but um, I think if you saw, if you watched
Speaker 1: last week, and you saw the caliber of golf, you
Speaker 1: saw the caliber of the matches. I definitely think the
Speaker 1: PJ Tour needs one, if not more match play tournaments
Speaker 1: because they're fun, they're exciting, they always bring good drama,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody that watched last week saw some
Speaker 1: unbelievable matches and it's it's a little bit like when
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup happens. The great thing about match play
Speaker 1: is the momentum shifts to where a player can be
Speaker 1: cruising missus maybe you know, an easy pud for par
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the momentum shifts, and
Speaker 1: I think we saw that last week. I think we
Speaker 1: saw these ebbs and flows of match play, which I
Speaker 1: think makes matchplay great and makes it what it is.
Speaker 1: So hopefully they'll find another place to play another format
Speaker 1: for the match play, because I love it and I
Speaker 1: think it's great viewing entertainment. So the Masters next week,
Speaker 1: and we did it last year. We're gonna bring my
Speaker 1: dad butch Arman in and do a little Masters pre
Speaker 1: kind of get his views on, you know, what to
Speaker 1: look for. He recently played at Augusta, so he's played
Speaker 1: with the changes that have been made and kind of
Speaker 1: get his take and we're going to be putting up
Speaker 1: questions on my social but if you've got questions for Butch,
Speaker 1: you can DM them to me. But I'll put something
Speaker 1: up later in the week. But always good to get
Speaker 1: his views on it. He's going to be at Augusta
Speaker 1: this year, so two years in a row after a
Speaker 1: little bit of a hiatus, so I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing him, but always good to get his takes on
Speaker 1: everything that happens around the Masters and get him to
Speaker 1: talk about the golf course as well. So I want
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