1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guest Wade Ormsby. If you 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: don't know who Wade is, He's been playing tours all 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: over the world, recent winner on the Asian Tour out 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: in Thailand. One of the guys that made the decision 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: last year to make the move to live. He was 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: on Cam Smith's team last year. But unlike a lot 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: of players that I think everybody's heard about, he didn't 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: get the back, he didn't get any money upfront. But 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: he's at a stage in his career where he thought 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: it was a good move and that's one of the 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: reasons why I wanted to talk to him. I mean, 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: I've known him for a long time. He's one of 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: professional golf globetrotters. He's played on tours all over the world, Asia, Europe, 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: South Africa, Australasia, did a stint on what's now the Web. 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: But back then, you know, maybe five six years ago, 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: had some status on the corn Ferry, which it was 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: corn Fairy. I think I don't even know what it 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: was called back then when he was playing it. But um, 20 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: he's always been a very very good ball striker. Who 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: played his college golf in the United States at the 22 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: University of Houston. And like I said, he's just one 23 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: of those players that, given the fact that he was 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: from Australia, he had to try and figure out a 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: place to play and and and that's I think that 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: there were more players like him than there are the 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: guys that you see on full swing flying around on 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: private jets. So I think it's a really good interview. 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: I really like Wade Ormsby's golf swing and um, I 30 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: think it's a good interview. So sit back and enjoy 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: Wade Ormsby. All Right, Wade, um your journey to where 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: you are today. I mean, I think I always find 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,639 Speaker 1: it really interesting, you know, the guys from South Africa, 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: the guys from Australia. I mean, it's it's so far 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: to go to get out of that situation, and I 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: think so many players, I mean, it just seems normal 37 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: now out. I mean, you went to play college golf 38 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: in America and went to the University of Houston. But 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: that's to get to that point. It's not easy when 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: you live in Australia to get on the radar of 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: college golf coaches. You guys make it look easy. Talk 42 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: to me about that process, what you were like is 43 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: a junior and how you got made that big jump 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: to go play college golf in America and kind of 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: start your really competitive career. Yeah. Absolutely, We're a long 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: way away from the rest of the world down there 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: in Australia, you know. So yeah, I guess when you 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: start playing golf in twelve thirteen and you start getting 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: a little bit better, and then you start looking at 50 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: junior golf and start looking at golf in America and 51 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: all that, and you kind of want to get there. 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: So by first and foremost just trying to get good 53 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: in Australia, and then for me, the college golf scene 54 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: was really kicking off and a few guys from Australia 55 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: were starting to go. So I'm from Adelaide in Australia, 56 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: which isn't Melbourne and Sydney. It's not as big as 57 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: big as city, so we didn't have access to so 58 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: much of the big programs, I guess, so I had 59 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: to kind of look at other avenues, you know. The 60 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: Australian Institute of Sport was an option for me, but 61 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: then college golf was where my head was at. So 62 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: had a pretty good run I think ninety six OSSI 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: amateur and that kind of put me on the radar 64 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: a bit of for I guess us college coaches. And 65 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: then I've got a few recruiting trips. One here in 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Tuson actually, coach Rick Leros come up and saw me. 67 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: I'll come here back in ninety seven, I think for 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: a recruiting trip. So um, yeah, you just you do 69 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: got to travel. You do got to get out of 70 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: Australia to try and get that Northern Hemisphere golf. And yeah, 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: it's a long way away from home, but that's the 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: plunge you got to make to try to be good 73 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: in this game. So forty two, Adam Scott, you and 74 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: Scotty kind of grew up together. And was he was 75 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: he the same as he was as a kid as 76 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: he is now? I mean, was he the guy that 77 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: everybody wanted to be? The cool guy? I mean, obviously 78 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: Scotty's blessed with it all right. I mean, yeah, he's 79 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: a good looking guy, he's in great shape. Yeah, he's 80 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: over six feet time and he's got to me one 81 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: of the greatest golf swings of all time. What was 82 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: Scotty like as a kid, and what was it like 83 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: playing junior golf with him? Because to this day, if 84 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: you're at a tournament and you and Scottie were both 85 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: in the field, you guys are going to play practice round. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, 86 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: were still great mate. So I spent a bit of 87 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: time with him before the season up up in Queensland. 88 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, going back, you know, both our dads are 89 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: golf pros and they both knew each other. And then 90 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: he's originally from Adelaide, even though moved to Queensland as 91 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: a young bloke. And yeah, exactly, so we went all 92 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: the way through junior golf. YEP. Scotty was a lot better. 93 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: He was just I remember watching him at fourteen and 94 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: he was hitting shots like a grown man and ball 95 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: flights like that, and I was just trying to scrap 96 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: it down the middle of the fairway and try and 97 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: punch out a number of which and try to try 98 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: to hang on to him. But we had Aaron Baddeley 99 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: was coming through there at the same time. He was 100 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: seriously good. And yes, so I think Scottie and I 101 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: both went to college at the same time and he 102 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: didn't last as long as me. I didn't last a distance. 103 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: But I think we've made the right decision now. But 104 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult you're trying to map your own 105 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: way through there. I remember being out in Vegas playing 106 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: the I think it was a golf digest back then 107 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: on things that your dad's course at Rio's sacre and 108 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to put my best Adam Scott Tiger impersonation 109 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: as your dad's walking up and down the line there. 110 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: So no, it's um, yeah, it's yeah. I love hanging 111 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: around Adam. You know, he's such a such a great 112 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: role model. Even though it's a similar age to me, 113 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: I still look up to him. He does so many 114 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: things right and he's a great guys every bit that 115 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: you see. Why do you think we've had so many 116 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: great players? I mean, I ask Scottie this question. I'm 117 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: out of the pod last year. What do you think 118 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: we've had so many great players come out of Australia. 119 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean the list is, you know, you've got Adam Scotts, 120 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: You've got the Greg Norman's, You've got guys like Wayne 121 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: Grady who won major champions of Peter Thompson, Steve Elkton, 122 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: there is this There are those that have come before 123 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: all of the guys and now Cam Smith has won 124 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: a major championship. Jason Day, what is it about Australia 125 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: that is bred and given us so many great players? Yeah, 126 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: I probably can't put my finger on the exact thing, 127 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, but we are a sports mad country and 128 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: we do Yeah, we're doing love competing and we're pretty 129 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: tough competitive thing. And I think with professional golf individual 130 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: lot we touched on before you got to go to 131 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: the Northern Hemisphere, you got to give up a lot 132 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: of home. You got to give up everything your family 133 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: to go and chase your dreams of being a professional golfer. 134 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: And and it's tough, you know. I remember going to 135 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: college and I almost contemplated not going because yeah, it 136 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: was pretty close to my family. And I was like, 137 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: I need to take this plunge if I want to 138 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 1: be any good. And and I'm still going, I'm still chasing, 139 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm still pushing. What that twenty five years later? And 140 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 1: that's I think it makes it pretty tough when you 141 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: leave home. You know, you just got to make it stick. 142 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: You can't fly home and see your parents and see 143 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: your family on a Sunday night, like a lot of 144 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: guys in America and Europe can do. You just got 145 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: to stick it out and put some good people around 146 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: you and try and survive out there, because it's pretty 147 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: tough sometimes. You mentioned that you know the Aussi you 148 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: said that choose to continue to live in down in 149 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 1: Australia regardless of which tour you're playing. If you're playing 150 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, if you're playing in Europe, it's 151 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: not a miss to cut on a Friday night and 152 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: I get home tape think you have to go out 153 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: and that it's interesting you mentioned that you have to 154 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: go if you're going to play on the European Tour, 155 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: which you have, you're in the path. You know that 156 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: if you're going to go play three or four events, 157 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: regardless of whether you make the cuts, play well, you're 158 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: out for three to three weeks or a month. There 159 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: isn't the opportunity to just nip home for a couple 160 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: of days, see the family and then come back out. Geographically, 161 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: It makes it very very difficult. Do you think that's 162 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: that helps you, That makes you more determined and helps 163 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: you get through a lot of the stuff that the 164 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: professional game throws at you. Ye. Absolutely, it's It definitely 165 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: makes it tougher, but I think it kind of makes 166 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: you tougher as a person too. You know, there's definitely 167 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: times and I've had some horrendous times on two when 168 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: you're missing cuts on a whole run. You've gone away 169 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: for a four week swing and you miss the first 170 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: three cuts. You know, what kind of what am I 171 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: doing out here? But I think a few things have 172 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: made it easier too, you know, like as scheduling, you 173 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: can't wait for the schedule to come out to try 174 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and to put blocks of tournaments together so you can 175 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: do a little three or four week run to make 176 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: it I guess economically viable. It's going to do it 177 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: because we are it is our job. You just can't 178 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: go back and forward because it costs so much to travel. 179 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: But I think the Middle Eastern airlines have made it 180 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: easier for us to travel to you're going to. We 181 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: can one hop into Europe with good connections now with 182 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: Emirates and Katar through to Buy and Dohar now, So 183 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: that's made it easier. Before we had to go through 184 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: Singapore and do layovers and all that. So all that 185 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: stuff made it easier for us. But as we all 186 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: know at the moment traveling long haules is very expensive. 187 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: So no, it's um, absolutely it's tricky, but that's that's 188 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: just where we live, and we still I choose to 189 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: live in Australia and I have my family around me, 190 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: and home's home, so I love practicing at home and 191 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: I just try to make the most of the schedule. 192 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: I choose. You're in your early forties, but you are 193 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: one of these players as an international golfer that I 194 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: have globe trotted all over the world. You've played the 195 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: Asian Tour, You've played the Deep World Tour, which was 196 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: the old European Tour. You've played PGA Tour Australasia, You've 197 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: played the Challenge Tour, You've played the Nationwide which just 198 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: now the was what is it now? Fairy was the 199 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: way it was the Nationwide and it was the way 200 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: it was corn Ferry. Now, you made last year the 201 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: choice to play on Live as a as kind of 202 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: a globe trotter and as someone that has traveled all 203 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: over the world. Talk to the listeners worried about how 204 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: how many times have you gone to European Q school. 205 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: I think I've got my own locker at European qu Scool. 206 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: But I think it's been i'd say four to six times, 207 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: and I always wouldn't say I had a knack. I 208 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: just always kind of got through q SCO. I think 209 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I only ever missed one. I had a pretty good 210 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: attitude when I went there. I'm like, hang on, everyone's 211 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: back here for a reason. The good players are back 212 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: here for a reason, and you just knuckle down for 213 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: the week, put a good caddy on the back. You 214 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,599 Speaker 1: don't have to win. You just got to find a 215 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: way to nut it out and get your card back 216 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: because that status is everything. But yeah, like you said, 217 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: I've played everywhere, but it's kind of not always been 218 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: because of choice. You know. You just want to take 219 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: the best opportunity you can to try to make the 220 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: most of your career. You know, I've never been a 221 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: great play I've just tried to make the most of 222 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: my opportunities. And some years I've had great status, other 223 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: years I've had average status. And you've got to go 224 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: a bit wider and go to a certain tools you 225 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: don't particularly want to play on, but that's all I've got. 226 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: So you've got to try and piece together the best 227 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty eight week schedule, and yes it is. 228 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: Glides were based around prize money because that's what pays 229 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: the bills, and some of those tours barely do that 230 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: for you. So there's been times in my career. I 231 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: think around in twenty eleven twelve and I was in 232 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: a pretty low place and my game wasn't great and 233 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: I had to take a few steps back. But it 234 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: kind of makes you tougher, it makes it more enjoyable 235 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: when you start kind of getting going again. So yeah, 236 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: I've played everywhere pretty much, but live has been great. 237 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: What is the secret as someone that has gone to 238 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Q school numerous times and gotten through and gotten your card, 239 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: what is the secret for that? Because obviously I coach 240 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people that are trying to get status. 241 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: They're going to PGA Tour, Canada Qualifying School, they're going 242 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: to Latin America Qualifying School, they're going to DP World, 243 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: they're going to Asian Tour. There are guys that seem 244 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: to be able to do that when they need to, 245 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: and then as you know where you've grew up with them, 246 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: you still there are great players that absolutely they struggle 247 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: at that hurdle to get through Qualifying school regardless of 248 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: what the tour is. What are the secrets as someone 249 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: who's done it a bunch to kind of get through it? Well, 250 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I guess there's no real secret, but it's all in preparation. 251 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: Sports all about process now, and like when people ask me, 252 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, give yourself as many opportunities. You can go 253 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: to Q school. If you go to Asian Q school 254 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Europe and say PGA two school, there's three I can 255 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: think of straight away, the three main ones, I guess. 256 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: And if you can go to those three over three years, 257 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: that's nine cracks out. If you can do everything right, 258 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: but a good caddy on your bad prepare probably know 259 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: someone that's doing the wins for you, probably someone that's 260 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: been there and done it before. If you can do 261 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: that nine times, you're going to get through one of 262 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: those nine times. And you know what, if you can't 263 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: get through nine times, probably golf is probably not the 264 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: thing for you if you can't perform under the gun, 265 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: because sometimes you're just out of form, you know, and 266 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: always we always want to be informed, but you can't 267 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: put your finger on that and say I want to 268 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: be I want to peak for that week. It's it's 269 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: not like that. You just got to grind it out 270 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: and try and get through and yeah, because there's a 271 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: long whites around to the next year for another Q school. 272 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: So the holy grail has always been the PGA tour. 273 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's what everybody grew up wanting to play. 274 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: Live came around last year. You had an opportunity. Listen 275 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: the media and the fans, they know that there are 276 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people that went to Live and got 277 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: the bag. They made tens of millions, hundreds of millions 278 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: of dollars. You were not that guy. Absolutely, you were 279 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: a player that it traveled and played on tours all 280 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: over the world. You're in your early forties, you're married, 281 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: you have children. The cliche that and the knock against 282 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: Live is that everybody went for the money. You didn't 283 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: go for the money because you didn't get the bag. Absolutely, 284 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: the decision to go in your early forties, the opportunity 285 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: to do it. Talk us through what that thought process 286 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: was like, did you agonize over the decision, were you 287 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: worried about decision? And ultimately why did you make the 288 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: choice to do it? Well, through my whole career, like 289 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: I touched on before, I've just tried to put the 290 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: best schedule of events I can possibly get together over 291 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: a twenty two twenty six week schedule each year, you know, 292 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: and if Live fits in, that it fits. And I've 293 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: played Asia, Europe, Australasia, everything every year and people like 294 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: Scott hand and good made of mind, he's exactly the same. 295 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: We've just pieced together the best twenty four twenty five 296 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: events by that you had status in absolutely absolutely and 297 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: when Live come along, I did exactly the same thing. 298 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: There's no there's no golden handshakes, says nothing. I was 299 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: just happy to be in the right position on the 300 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: order of merit on the Asian two at the time. 301 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: When Live come around, and if Tom Kim decided to play, 302 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't getting a hit. He decided to go the 303 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: PGA tour route. I was in so happy days for me. 304 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: I went to London and I didn't look back, and 305 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: there's been an amazing opportunity and yeah, I'm still here 306 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: because I do think that, Listen, I do think that 307 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: there is a part of the media that is very 308 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: much PGA tour centric. PGA tour part I mean, I love, 309 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think at this point that is somewhat obvious, 310 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: and the narrative is it was all about money. It 311 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: was all about money. It was all for you. There 312 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: was no upfront money, There was no millions of dollars 313 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: in the bank to go play live, and here's an opportunity. 314 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: So now that you don't have to worry about money, 315 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: you just saw, Okay, this is the schedule they're going 316 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: to play. These are the events that they put on, 317 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: and at this stage of my career it was attractive. 318 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: And then the majority of last year you were on 319 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: Cam Smith's live team. I mean that experience. I don't 320 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: think people that are the people that aren't a part 321 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: of the live ecosystem like we are, and people that 322 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: aren't at every tournament like that, I really don't think 323 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: they understand how important, but how much the team concept 324 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: is really taken off. What was it like last year 325 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: having the opportunity on playing You've got the reigning Open champion, 326 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: the reigning Players Champion, arguably one of the top three 327 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: players in the world. What was it like being around 328 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Cam last year in that experience to be on his team. 329 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: I actually spoke about this this exact thing yesterday. You know, 330 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: I had the golden seat last year. You know, I 331 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: obviously started off as a captain for that Punch team. 332 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: Cam come in probably a third of the way through 333 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: the season, and we have a little warm up box 334 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: where there's four guys warm up in your little box 335 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: there on the range, and we always gave I always 336 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: gave Cam the front, the front spot, the first slot, 337 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: and I was always right behind him, so I had 338 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: the box seat to see him warm up. When a 339 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: guy's having a year like Cam one, or Cam did 340 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: last year, think he won five times globally. You know, 341 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: there's only a handful of players in the last twenty 342 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: five years that I've had seasons that even come close 343 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: to that. One guy's had him a few times. But yeah, 344 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: to just to see that, and I say this today, 345 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, just to see the stripes, see the rhythm, 346 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: to see the dedication, the focus he has warming up 347 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: all that thing, and I've got the perfect spot to see. 348 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: I see all these flights and you almost pick up 349 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: on their rhythm, you pick up on their feeling, you 350 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: ride the way with them, and um, that's invaluable. Especially 351 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: Cam being a similar sized player to me, you know, 352 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: you can kind of some of that kind of goes 353 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: into and he's from the places. Yeah. Absolutely, we had 354 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: a great time, you know, so you know, we have 355 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: a lot of the same interests. He's a great guy's 356 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: a down to earth guy, and all the oddsies genuinely 357 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: are so. So we had a we had a real 358 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: good camaraderie amongst the team there. You know, we went 359 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: we went really close in Miami. Could have been one better, 360 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: but now we had. We had a good time out 361 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: there and Cam, like I said, when any players in 362 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: that kind of space in their career, it's just infectious 363 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: to be around him. And I'm still trying to pull 364 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: bits out of his game and try to adapt him 365 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: to mind. Yeah. Pat Perez said the same thing when 366 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: he had the opportunity to come to Live he said, 367 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: listen for me to have the opportunity to be on 368 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson's team, to play on my practice rounds with DJ, 369 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: to warm up and watch the way he practices, to 370 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: be able to pick their brain. What are some of 371 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: the things that you've learned from watching Cam for the 372 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: last year and being around him that you've said, Okay, 373 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: I can take that and apply it to my game. Okay, well, 374 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: I think come, come warm up time he's eyes on. 375 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: You know, there's no more stuffing around because we have 376 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: a lot of fun in the locker room and fun 377 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: at dinners than that. But you give that two hour 378 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: window when it kind of comes to go time and 379 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: he is eyes on, you're not getting inside there, and 380 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: you don't want to get inside because you don't upset 381 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: the process. But Cam's got a great team around Him's 382 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: got a great psychologist, he's got a great coach, he's 383 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: got a good trainer. I hope I'm not missing anyone 384 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: out there, but yeah, there's Alwase guys, caddy Yeah, great caddies. 385 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean Pinner does the hard yards out there. So 386 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: there's four guys immediately before his management team, you know, 387 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: which are fully invested in the guy. And I think 388 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: what Cam does really well, he just lets everyone do 389 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: their thing. He doesn't micro manage that. He's just he's 390 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: just a man in the middle and they do their 391 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: thing and he just pushes the engine along and he's 392 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: the last guy doing the last bit. You know, he's 393 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: not over complicating things. But it's a world oil machine, 394 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: the Cam Smith machine at the moment, and then everyone's 395 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: everyone's playing their little part in that, and that's what 396 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: makes a player go. What everyone sees on TV is 397 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: just the end product. This guy holding a ten footing 398 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: and over. He's good at every part of the game. 399 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: He's an unbelievable I'm player pretty a lot better than 400 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: whatever anyone ever gives him credit for. And short games exceptional, 401 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: puddings exceptional. But I think inside the heads he's a 402 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: pretty bulletproof to it, and he's a winner. You mentioned 403 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: the putting, I mean the way he putted last year. 404 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: Has he always been like that? I mean you've been 405 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: around him a lot, You've played a lot of golf him. 406 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: Has he always had this and neat ability on the greens, 407 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: because in my opinion, he's very much I mean I 408 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: throw him up against any of the great potters. I 409 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: mean Jordan obviously, Spith gets all the credit on the page, 410 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: but I mean you watch Cam. I mean he gets 411 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: a twenty five Bertie. I mean you expected him to 412 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,719 Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, they're just burning edges and they're all 413 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: good puts. The ones that don't go in. I had 414 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: a lot of average parts that go pin higher foot 415 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: they don't even have a chance of going in. But 416 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: he's just rolling edges. I think the thing with Cam 417 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: that I really like is is his rhythm all the 418 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: way through his game, you know, and he's putting his 419 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: rhythms beautiful. He's pitching his rhythm and he carries a 420 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: lot of length and everything, even his goalswing. You very 421 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: rarely see Cameron Smith out of balance, you know, I think, 422 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: And that's a trait that some of the best players 423 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: in the world have, you know, they're just in balance 424 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: all the time. And I guess it's you can probably 425 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: tell me more than I can tell you, but it's 426 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: kind of a sign of nice kind of sequence and nice, 427 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: nice mechanics and that, and Cam always looks like that. 428 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: He's never leaning and whatever else. He has a couple 429 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: of odd one handed finishes, but overall it's really nicely 430 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: balanced in rhythm, and I think that goes all through 431 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: his game. And sometimes we're always so stuck in looking 432 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: at positions or what equipment and all this kind of stuff, 433 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: but there's a beautiful sequence in there too. And he's 434 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: also one of the things I love about him from 435 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: specifically from a putting standpoint, is he is not a 436 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: technical person when it comes to his putting, and I 437 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: think so many people listening can learn from. There are 438 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: people that are a very mechanical with their putting, and 439 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: that works for them, I think Cam, I'm sure you 440 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: would agree. It's the type of player that if you 441 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: tried to fill his head with the mechanics of putting, 442 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't work. His approach, like you said, he's 443 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: the thing that I'm morvel about is his speed on 444 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: the golf course. The way his ball rolls is it's 445 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: almost like it's a forgotten art, the way the ball 446 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: is rolling and how well he rules the ball. Yeah, 447 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: I totally agree. It's so easy to get sucked into 448 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: the other side and the mechanics and the squareness of things, 449 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: and you forget about that flow and getting the actual 450 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: thing rolling rather than just getting it starting online. Yeah, 451 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: rolls so important because that transfers into speed and everything else. 452 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: And like we said, Cam's got that, and all the 453 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: best players wins up putting well. Scottie Scheffler a great putter. 454 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: Tigert probably one of the purest role of the ball. 455 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: Greg Norman I never got the pretty credit for his 456 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: putting that he probably deserved. Probably one of the best 457 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: putters around all the way through that era. And they 458 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: all had beautiful role and I'm trying to put some 459 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: of that into my game. You know, I've always been 460 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: a really good putter from short range just because I 461 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: have beautiful alignment and a lot starting the ball in 462 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: aligne was never my problem, but I always struggled with role, 463 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: especially late in a tournament. So I've tried to lengthen 464 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: my stroke to try to get kind of less kind 465 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: of to try to get the speed come on more 466 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: smoothly in my stroke, I guess, and all this is 467 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: stuff from trying to grab from from cam and then 468 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: you start to see another player. Brad Faxson was one 469 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: beautifully like that beautiful stroke and rhythm. So um, yeah, 470 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: you're coming off a win on the International Series on 471 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: the Asian Tour. It'd been a couple of years since 472 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: you won. Obviously, professional golf, professional sports, there is no 473 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: substitute for winning. Talk us through. When you do get wins, 474 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: what do you look back on and do you look 475 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: back and say, Okay, what do they do well winning 476 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: in Thailand a couple of weeks ago, and what are 477 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: some of the things that I can do? Because I 478 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: always I think it's really interesting when guys win it's 479 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: a cliche in my head, but you don't have to 480 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: play that good to win, do you. You don't have 481 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: to shoot sixty Yeah, if you go out and shoot 482 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: sixty four, sixty four, sixty four, you're probably going to 483 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: have the league going into Sunday. That doesn't always happen. 484 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you did well 485 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: in Thailand a couple of weeks ago to get another 486 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: win on the Asian Tour that you've felt like, Okay, 487 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: that's something that I can maybe try and take Was 488 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: it technical? Was it mental? Was its strategy? What was it? Well? 489 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: You know what golf's like, and you know what it's 490 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: like working with players you are You're always pushing, you 491 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: always talking about your game. Hey you can massage your 492 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: how you can get it better? You know? But I 493 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: probably have to go back a little bit earlier in 494 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: the year. I started working with Grant Field, Cams coach, 495 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: and I've been working on my golf swing. And as 496 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: we always do, as always constant evolution our golf swings, 497 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: You're never just always trying to make it how I 498 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: used to be. You're always trying to get it better. 499 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: But I knew I was hitting it as good as 500 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: I have in the last probably four or five years. 501 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: And the week before news in and Open, I hit 502 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: a fantastic three part of the last and missed the 503 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: cup by a shot. And I don't I don't think 504 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: I've been that angry walking off a golf course for 505 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: a long time, because I knew I was playing good enough. 506 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: I hit one out of bounds, had five or three 507 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: puts in two rounds, and I was seven shots out 508 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: of the lead. But I'm going home, and I was 509 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: so pissed off of myself, and so I just really 510 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: wanted to knuckle down and kind of obviously get on 511 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: top of the pudding. That next week in Thailand, and 512 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: straight after I got up there and I tried to 513 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: get out of my technique a little bit more, try 514 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: to get the ball rollings that like we just spoke 515 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: about and go back to a couple of old fields. 516 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: But it was still along with the lines of what 517 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: we're talking about, and I just started to get the 518 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: ball rolling. But I knew I was hitting the ball strong. 519 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: So through two rounds, I think I was around I've 520 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: known the mid teens, but I'd made a lot of mistakes. 521 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: I thought if I cleaned that up, I'm going to 522 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: be pretty close, and I did. I hold some good 523 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: puts in the back nine on Sunday and got myself 524 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: in a playoff and fortunately fortunately made that part in 525 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: the playoff. So yeah, it's just always a little bit. 526 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: You never that far away. And yeah, so you just 527 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: got to keep on, keep keep pushing, and you never 528 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: know when that winspin's going to come. Obviously, I work 529 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: with a lot of players that are trying to play competitively. 530 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: You know a lot of players that are trying to 531 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: play competitively that balance between the technical part and the 532 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: execution and the strategy. It's my opinion way that a 533 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: lot of people that aren't where they want to be 534 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: playing competitively are so hyper hyper focused on the technique 535 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: side of things, the mechanical side of things. And I 536 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: always try to impress on players Listen, Scottie Scheffler, Roy 537 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: McRoy and John Ram and camp Smith, they're all trying 538 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: to make their golf swings better. That quest never ends. 539 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: You're always trying to improve as as as a technician, 540 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: But the technical side apart, how important is the thought process, 541 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: the strategy and the execution part of actually playing golf. 542 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: Versus practicing golf, because I think everybody that's not at 543 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: the level they want to be at thinks, Okay, if 544 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: I just practice enough, I can. I can practice my 545 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: way to the PGA Tour, to the European Tour, to 546 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: the Asian Tour too, I can. I can practice my 547 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: way there. But to me, a lot of the forgotten 548 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: art is playing golf. Absolutely, yeah, there is a balance there, 549 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: and we're always caught in between, I guess, you know, 550 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: and I'm guilty of. You're always trying to find the 551 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: perfect golf swing, but it's not it's not a thing 552 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: that you can grab, you know. It's a good golf 553 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: swing is like a journey, not a place you know 554 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: you'll never you'll you'll never absolutely get it. So um, yeah, 555 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm guilty of chasing that too. But yeah, your golf 556 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: slings are only as good as the shots that hits. 557 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: You've got to get it around there and the fields 558 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: that you get through your body when you're trying to 559 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: make it cut on a Friday night sometimes horrendous, you know, 560 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: and you're trying to battle to get it in the house. 561 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: And that's the same as trying to win a golf 562 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: Tom that's never exactly where you want it, and you're 563 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: always fighting it or chasing it or hanging onto it 564 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. And some weeks you're just swinging it great 565 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: and got heaps of room in your golf swing. So 566 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: it's all you can do is keep your process going 567 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: and keep trying to make things a little bit better. 568 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: But it's you're like, you're never going to get a 569 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: perfect You're never gonna get this holy grail of swinging 570 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: like Tiger in two thousand and just every golf shot 571 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: comes out how you want and even that year, you know, 572 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: you go back and look at some of the places 573 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: that he hit it probably nowhere near where he wants 574 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: to hit it. So it's been interesting for me here 575 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: at a live event, you know, and unfortunately being first 576 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: reserve and not getting a hit, and you're sitting there 577 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: and watch it on TV and you watch where some 578 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: of these guys hit it, and you're like, these guys, 579 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: I idolize all of them. They're all great players, but 580 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: they do hit it in places where you don't you 581 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: don't expect to hit them. So yeah, exactly right. So 582 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: it kind of it's a bit of a level of 583 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: kind of looking at some of that stuff, and you think, 584 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: hang on, all you're gonna do is keep on hitting 585 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: a bunch of square shots in the general area and 586 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: try to go and play golf, you know. And I 587 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: think as a junior I did a pretty good job 588 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: of that. I didn't think about my golf swing too much. 589 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: I just really loved competing. I love competing now, and 590 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: that's one of the big things that keeps me going 591 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: out here because I love the fight playing golf tournaments. 592 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: And I think once I am finished playing tournament golf, 593 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be hard to play golf to me, honest, 594 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: because I just love the fight of competing. You've won 595 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: the Hong Kong Open in seventeen and twenty twenty, You've 596 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: won multiple times now. If you could go back, wait 597 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: and tell yourself as a freshman getting off an airplane 598 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: at the University of Houston and going and playing and say, Okay, 599 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: it's a forty two year old that's won all over 600 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: the world. I've played all over the world. I'm going 601 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: to give my nineteen twenty year old self some advice. 602 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: What you think is important is this, but it's actually this. 603 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: What would that be? I'm probably going to contradict myself there. 604 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: I probably wanted a better coach back then. But anyway, 605 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: I think process sports becomes so process driven, so I 606 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: can get a few facets of your game, you know, 607 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: exactly like I touched one with Camera's got a few 608 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: good people in key areas. You can get them and 609 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: keep pushing along the process and not deviate from that. 610 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: That's what's going to make you good. Sports spelt that 611 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: out to us now. It's been pretty obviously in the 612 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: last few years. You know, it's not like just keep 613 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: kind of way around then you're gonna have a lucky week. 614 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: You know. We have more control of a lot more 615 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: things now, but it's still an art. It's still golf. 616 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: You know. You've got to have sidelines, you have win 617 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: you have different elements. You know, your body feels different 618 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: every day. There's so many variables every day. But we 619 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: asked trying to not control. But we're still trying to 620 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: organize everything every day to try to make your good 621 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: golf well, I no, not so far away from your 622 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: bad golf, you know. So I think my good stuff 623 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: is good, but I'm gonna make my bad stuff better, 624 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: So get that balance out. I guess this crazy debate 625 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: between the PGA Tour and Live. As someone who has 626 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: played on all of these, what do you think or 627 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: the positives for Live for players excluding the money conversation 628 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: right now, because everybody just wants to focus on the 629 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: money conversation. But again, you played Live for an entire year. 630 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: Last year, you'd no upfront money. So whatever you made, 631 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: you made. What do you think can be the positive 632 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: moving forward? And do you see that there is a 633 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: way that everybody could maybe just coexist and this whole 634 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: kind of debate become a little less aggressive and bottled volatile. Yeah, 635 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: I guess from a player straight away. I think the 636 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: camaraderie in the locker room, in the players lounge, between 637 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: the families, caddies, coaches, staff, everyone's a lot better, a 638 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: lot more positive. And so that's the first thing. I think. 639 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: The sport's got to be more global, The tool has 640 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: got to be more global, and that's exactly what Lives 641 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: set out to. Do you know, I'm a massive Formula 642 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: one fan. I see that model as as a model 643 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: that we need to really chase out here. And they are, 644 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, like Johannesburgs have a tournament soul should have 645 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: a tournament sitting the Australia's being starved for world class 646 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: goal for years, and like you're saying, we've pumped out 647 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: so many good players and were sports mad country, and 648 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: Adelaide's going to prove how much we've been starred because 649 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: I just jumping out of their skin to see this 650 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: golf event down there, to see people like Nicholson and 651 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: all these guys going down there. It's going to be 652 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: so cool to having in my home city seeing all this. 653 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm buzzing about that. But I think I'm just excited 654 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: to be a truly global sport because I just don't 655 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: think it's fair that the PGA Tour should sit so 656 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: much just in America. You know. Yeah, PGO two has 657 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: been the top of the tree for so many years 658 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: and have a lot of players have gravitated there for 659 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: one or another reason, not just money, but yeah, money 660 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: has been a major driver of it. And yeah, so yeah, 661 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: can we co exist, Yeah maybe in different parts of 662 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: the season. Cricket, I'm Australia. I follow cricket. You know, 663 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: this has happened in cricket and there's four different final 664 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: forms of the game now and they all kind of 665 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: sit together as test cricket. I love major championships, I 666 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: love four rounds. I love the history of golf. At 667 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, when you got fans loving 668 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: a shotgun, starts great, all that stuff. You know, there's 669 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: so many positives to be had from Live. You know, 670 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: it's just different energy around around the tournament. So yeah, 671 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: I think they can co exist. But yeah, I just 672 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: don't like the fighting going on between it. You know, 673 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: I've got mates on the other side of the fence 674 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: who are still my best mates, and that's just the 675 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: way it is, and we're only doing the best for 676 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: ourselves and that's all we can do. Yeah, I mean, listen, 677 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: there are guys that got the back, right, you know, 678 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: the big stars on Live. They made your real money. 679 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: They were paid like other athletes are paid in other sports. 680 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: But I mean this shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody. 681 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty three, just as in any walk 682 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: of life, yes, trophies, and I think it's really interesting 683 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: that we hear this thing from the PJ Tour trophy 684 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: and legacies, and we hear guys like Rory and Tiger 685 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: and Jordan and JT. You know that that are flying 686 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: around on private jets, you know, Rory and Tiger flying 687 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: around on their own private jets with their initials on 688 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: the back of it, saying it's about trophies and money. 689 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: They're not giving those away if you don't have money. 690 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: And as a player that is trying to globetrot all 691 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: over the world, it takes money to play golf, play 692 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: professional golf, and it's like it's like it's just a 693 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: dirty little secret with the fans that we want golf 694 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: to be this like Weird Truman show Utopia, where everybody's 695 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: just doing it for the greater good. It's not a 696 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: business you're not trying to support. Because anybody that's come 697 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: to live that says, listen, this was an opportunity for 698 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: me to provide a better life for myself and my family. 699 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, that's bad and in any walk 700 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: of life, that would be what everybody's trying to do. 701 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely as well. Number one, it's a job. That's how 702 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: I make my money. And I've got a family at 703 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: home and I got to make hey while the sun shines. 704 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: That's that's the simple factor, the whole thing. And if 705 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: it gives me a better opportunity to do that. Well, 706 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: that's where I'm at. If I can put it all 707 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: together and play here, there and everywhere, with live being 708 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: a major component of that. Of that, that's exactly what 709 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: I'll do. So I've done that my whole career, whether 710 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: it's Asia, Europe, Australia. Like I mentioned before, you know, 711 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to put together the best twenty four 712 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: odd events a year to maximize my own and make 713 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: my bottom line as good as I possibly can. And 714 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: that's a job in that and that's what we're doing 715 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: so and happens to be. That's a sport that I 716 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: love growing up, and I've worked hard enough to stay 717 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: out here and been fortunate enough to stayt here for 718 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: as long as I can. So, Yeah, it's great b 719 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: I here. Greg Norman was a hero online and then 720 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: to be around him is fantastic and I think every 721 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: Australian would echo that. And no, it has been great 722 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: been around the big players too. Yeah. And the other 723 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: thing for everyone listening, it's easy in the US if 724 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: you're from the US and you went to you like yourself. 725 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: But if you were born in the US, you played 726 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: the US college golf system you know the PGA Tour. 727 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: If you have access to play the PGA Tour, you're 728 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: obviously going to play there because that's where the best 729 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: players play. But that's where the most money is made. 730 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: So everyone that's not from the US, if you grow 731 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: up in Europe, if you grew up in South Africa, 732 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: if you grew up in Australia, Asia, you're trying to 733 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: get to the PGA Tour obviously because yes, that's where 734 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: all the best players in the world. But you know 735 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: that if you could somehow get on the PGA Tour 736 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: and keep your card win turnips and are living, you 737 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: know you're gonna make a ton of money because that's 738 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: where all the money is being made. That's why every 739 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: great Australian player of all time once the modern modern 740 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: Aussie's we're all trying to go. Wayne Grady played in 741 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: the US, Steve Elkenton played in this a debut, everybody 742 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: played in yours because that's where you could make a living. 743 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: And there is no more tour in Australia. If you 744 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: think about, there used to be an Aussie Swing, There 745 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: used to be the Australasian Tour. There used to be 746 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: all of that's gone. So if you're a professional golfer 747 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: and you're from Australian you want to make a living 748 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: and make the most money you can possibly make, you 749 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: have to go and historically you had to go play 750 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's because that was 751 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: the holy grail. You know, if you played the tour, 752 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: you had access to get into majors. If you get 753 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: into the majors, you know you're gonna get into the 754 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: whath wgc's, top fifty in the world. All of that, yes, 755 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: was for the sports part of it, but you knew 756 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: if you're top fifty, you're eating it in in the four 757 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: wgc's that's X amount of money because there's no cutting 758 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: those if you get somehow get to the fed X. 759 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: All of these things. The people listening don't realize. You 760 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: think every goal for regardless of where they're playing, thinks 761 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: about the money side of things. Yeah. I have to, absolutely, 762 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: and that's because it's a job, you know, and there's 763 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,479 Speaker 1: so many more things that come into you know, where 764 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: your family from, where your kids go to school, all 765 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: these kind of things. You know, some of the guys 766 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,439 Speaker 1: from Australia have American wives and families and they are stuck. 767 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: We're not stuck here, but they choose to live here now. 768 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: And and myself, I have an Australian wife and family 769 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: and that and that's where home is. You know. There's 770 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: so many different things not pulling in different directions. Everyone 771 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: has their own set of circumstances and that influences your decision. 772 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: And that's just the way it is. That's life. You know. 773 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: I didn't always go on and be line saying I 774 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: want to plan on the European too. You know. I 775 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: bought around the world tickets in some nationwide qualifiers back 776 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, and I kept on going 777 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: to European Q school A one stage one and all 778 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden I find myself at second stage and finals. 779 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: I got my card over there. It wasn't planned, it 780 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: was just that was an opportunity I gave myself and 781 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: that's where I got my first starts, so to speak, 782 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: on a major tour. So Gulf's hard, it's hard to 783 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: get going. But you also realized that if you could 784 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: get on the European tour and follow the model of 785 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: Justin Rose, Scott Scott, Trevor Immelman Ian Poulter come off 786 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: the European Tour and use that as a springboard to 787 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: get to America. You know that, Okay, if I can 788 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: just get into some tournaments from Europe, from Australia, if 789 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: I could get in through my world ranking and get 790 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: into some tournaments, maybe I could do what a guy 791 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: like Tom Kim. I think that's one of the negative 792 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: things that's come out of this whole thing. I had 793 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: Chowman that, who's the commissioner of the Asian Tour, we 794 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: won't see another kid like Tom Kim come out of 795 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: Asia like that, who came off the Asian Tour and 796 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: then got into some European Tour events and as a 797 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: result of playing well in those, then through his world 798 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: ranking got some starts in the US and then played great, 799 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: got full status one and now is you know, a 800 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: rising superstore in America. But that's not going to happen again, 801 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: given the way all of the tours and the way 802 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is trying to change things to protect 803 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: what they're doing. Yeah. Absolutely, there's like this big great 804 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: dividing golf. At the moment you're on one side of 805 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: the fence or the other side of the fence and 806 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: hopefully we can work together. But at the moment, it's 807 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: not like that, so you just got to kind of 808 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: stay in your lane and do your thing. But yeah, 809 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is at the minute. And 810 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: it's someone that played the European Tour for a number 811 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: of times. The European Tour landscape is changing dramatically now 812 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: with the top ten players every year automatically going to 813 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. I wonder and do you wonder what 814 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: the landscape in Europe As a tour that you played 815 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: on and supported for a number of years, do you 816 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: wonder what that landscape looks like in three years? Yeah, well, 817 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to wait and see how it 818 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: all plays out. But it doesn't look great at the moment. 819 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: And it's I've got a lot of mates over there, 820 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: so I still speak to a lot of them, and 821 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: I've played most of my golf over there. But yeah, 822 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: I think going to the start of my career and 823 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: I started off in Europe and I started, well, you know, 824 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: you always have eyes on going to the PGA two 825 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: because that was the next best option. And exactly like 826 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: you said, you try to get top fifty or try 827 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: to sneak your way into w gcs or majors and 828 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: back door your way onto a what do you call it, 829 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: a non members points list onto the PGA Tour, and 830 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: then you've got status, and the way you go you 831 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: get a special exemption to get on the limited invite. 832 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: And the simple fact is I just wouldn't wasn't good 833 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: enough and didn't get the results. So I forged my 834 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: career in Europe, and some years I fought for my position, 835 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: some years I lost my car. Some years I had 836 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: great years. And that's just where I sat in the 837 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: world of golf and European golf, but no Europe. It's 838 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting time. You know. There's a lot 839 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: of stuff up in the air, a lot of balls 840 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: up in the air at the moment. And yeah, the 841 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: schedules changed massively. COVID come at a particular time the 842 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: tour was getting strong that it probably hit it quite hard. 843 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: I guess I did a great job putting in a 844 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: lot of events, but a lot of lower events. So 845 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: it's just it's just different. You know, it's not supported 846 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: that well by the guys. I guess, let's call them 847 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: the superstars from Europe that go to America because I 848 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: can only play so many weeks because I've focused on 849 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: world ranking points and majors and peeking at the right times, 850 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: and there's so many different things that go into play 851 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: as schedules, you know, and we all get you'll want 852 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: to see everyone every week, but the live bottle, you've 853 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: got that it's like formula one. If you go to Baccu, 854 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: you are going to see Lewis Hamilton and and like 855 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: some guys kind of lesser down, like a Magnusin or whatever. 856 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: No disrespect to Magnusin, but you know you are going 857 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: to see those same twenty twenty two guys every week, 858 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: and live you're seeing those forty eight, whether it's Adelaide, 859 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: Singapore Jetter or Vouter Armor. And that's a really cool 860 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: model and I think that's that's how our partners and 861 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: TV can really benefit from that, and the fans can 862 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: really benefit because you are going to see the guys 863 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: week in, week out, and we all know, you know, 864 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: it's a battle for these tours like Europe and and 865 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: PGA Tour to try to get their best guys to 866 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: tee it up every week. It's a big juggling game, 867 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: whether appearance money or or whatever you want to call it. However, 868 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: these guys are getting compensated. You don't know which guys 869 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: are playing which weeks unless it's pre arranged. And Europe's 870 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: it's gonna find that tough. I just can't see how 871 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna get great fields, but I don't know what's 872 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: around the corner. Hopefully it picks up over there for 873 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: all those guys, because I got a lot of mates 874 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: that really I really care about and I want them 875 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: to have good careers and earn a good living and 876 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: support their families. Well, another great win for you. Keep 877 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: it going and in true Wade ormsby globetrotting, you know, 878 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: travel your entaire Land last week, Tucson this week, and 879 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: then straight tomorrow night to Hong Kong and the magical 880 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: Mystery Tour continues. Wait, keep playing, good man man, thanks 881 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: for talking to us, Thanks having us on clothes. Mate. 882 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: So that was Wade ormsby and listen, not a household name, 883 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: but a really really good player and someone that has 884 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: played and won all over the world. And I always 885 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: think it's interesting to get a perspective from you know, 886 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: just kind of a guy that's just like everybody else, 887 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: just trying to play as good as he can, win 888 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: as many tournaments as he can, and not a superstar 889 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. But the game of 890 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: golf has a lot of players that are really, really good. 891 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: And he's in his early forties, and keep an eye 892 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: out for him. He's going to keep trying to win 893 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: golf tournaments all over the world. So the match play 894 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: last week, Sam Burns beats Cameron Young in the final. 895 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: I know everybody, including Jay Monahan and all the boys 896 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: in Pontovidro were I mean, they were so desperate to 897 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: get Scottie Scheffler and Rory McElroy in the final. They 898 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: didn't make it. And I think that's one of the 899 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: great things about match player. I know there should I 900 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: think there should be more matchplay tournaments. My grandfather made 901 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: it to the semifinals when I think he made it 902 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: to the semifinals twice when the mat when the PGA 903 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: was match play back and I think in the forties. Yeah, 904 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of talk about del kind of 905 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,240 Speaker 1: going away the PGA Tour, doing away with that tournament, 906 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: but um, I think if you saw, if you watched 907 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: last week, and you saw the caliber of golf, you 908 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: saw the caliber of the matches. I definitely think the 909 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: PJ Tour needs one, if not more match play tournaments 910 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: because they're fun, they're exciting, they always bring good drama, 911 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: and I think everybody that watched last week saw some 912 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: unbelievable matches and it's it's a little bit like when 913 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup happens. The great thing about match play 914 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: is the momentum shifts to where a player can be 915 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: cruising missus maybe you know, an easy pud for par 916 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the momentum shifts, and 917 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 1: I think we saw that last week. I think we 918 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: saw these ebbs and flows of match play, which I 919 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: think makes matchplay great and makes it what it is. 920 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: So hopefully they'll find another place to play another format 921 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: for the match play, because I love it and I 922 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: think it's great viewing entertainment. So the Masters next week, 923 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: and we did it last year. We're gonna bring my 924 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: dad butch Arman in and do a little Masters pre 925 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: kind of get his views on, you know, what to 926 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: look for. He recently played at Augusta, so he's played 927 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: with the changes that have been made and kind of 928 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: get his take and we're going to be putting up 929 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: questions on my social but if you've got questions for Butch, 930 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 1: you can DM them to me. But I'll put something 931 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: up later in the week. But always good to get 932 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: his views on it. He's going to be at Augusta 933 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: this year, so two years in a row after a 934 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: little bit of a hiatus, so I'm looking forward to 935 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: seeing him, but always good to get his takes on 936 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: everything that happens around the Masters and get him to 937 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: talk about the golf course as well. So I want 938 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: to thank everybody for listening. If you haven't gone back 939 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: and listen to the past episodes, get back there and 940 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,959 Speaker 1: listen to them, because we've got a lot of great ones. 941 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: Rate review, subscribe wherever you get your podcast Son of 942 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: A which comes to you every Wednesday. We will see 943 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:54,879 Speaker 1: you next week.