WEBVTT - Buck Brief  - David Harsanyi

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<v Speaker 1>Brief everybody. We're going to continue with our coverage today

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<v Speaker 1>of everything happening in Israel and the war against Hamas.

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<v Speaker 1>There joining us is our friend David Harsanyi. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a senior editor at The Federalist. David, thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I know the conflict is just really beginning now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Israeli response, the counter strike is underway as we speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've spent time on the show this week already

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<v Speaker 1>discussing the atrocity, the heinousness of these crimes. It's beyond comprehension.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an evil that it goes to the worst

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<v Speaker 1>steps of depravity. I want to ask you, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the strategy now the end state should be

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<v Speaker 1>for net and Yahoo, the Israeli leadership. What what does

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<v Speaker 1>the right response look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? I mean you know, there are I think different

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<v Speaker 2>facets that I have to go through.

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<v Speaker 1>There.

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<v Speaker 2>One is, obviously you need to take care of Hamas. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that mission is done until you're speaking

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<v Speaker 2>about them in the past tense, so you you know

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<v Speaker 2>that means a ground war or you know, house to

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<v Speaker 2>house combat or whatever in Gaza, which is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be incredibly dangerous. I'm not like an expert, but surely

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<v Speaker 2>it will be booby trapped. Because Israelis go out of

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<v Speaker 2>their way to help civilians. They're basically like projecting where

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to go, so Hamas knows where they're going

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<v Speaker 2>because they want to move civilians. So it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be Israelis are going to lose lives doing that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a necessary thing to do. Then obviously

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<v Speaker 2>you have to start thinking about Isabella, and they're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>threatening Israel constantly in the north, another Iranian proxy with

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<v Speaker 2>real missiles, you know, far more dangerous armaments, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have to start thinking about Iran. If

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<v Speaker 2>a country actually they did, I mean, if a country

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<v Speaker 2>helped logistically and with funding to attack your country, to

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<v Speaker 2>kill your citizens and celebrated it, that's a declaration of

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<v Speaker 2>war in most places for any normal country. Iranians did

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<v Speaker 2>that to Israel and two eleven American citizens, not to

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<v Speaker 2>mention the six hundred soldiers they've killed in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>or more of Americans and the hostage industry they have.

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<v Speaker 2>So im not saying we should go to war with them.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is Israel is it has to in

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<v Speaker 2>some way weaken that regime or hurt them. There has

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<v Speaker 2>to be a price to pay for this, or they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it again. And another country that needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be thought about is Qatar, where Hamas leadership just

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<v Speaker 2>sits in a Nancy Hotel room as this goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're supposedly an ally of the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know. Those are the things that

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<v Speaker 2>popped them up into my mind right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about the the change that this

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<v Speaker 1>may have in terms of the long term implications for

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with the West Bank, with Gaza, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>talk of two state solution, all this kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it seems to me that Hamas has made

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<v Speaker 1>it as clear as it as it honestly possibly can

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<v Speaker 1>that not only does it have no it has no

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<v Speaker 1>interest in a peaceful solution ever, but it is just

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<v Speaker 1>a sworn mortal enemy of every every Jew in Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>every Jew.

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<v Speaker 2>In the world. Yeah, that was never going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Hamas. I'm sure your listeners know, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know Gaza was given to Hama because it was given

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<v Speaker 2>to the Palestinians in two thousand and five. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a test run for a state. I mean, Sharon,

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<v Speaker 2>who was Prime Minister, literally went in there and moved

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<v Speaker 2>Jews out. It was cleansed of Jews and they had

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to have their own state. And what did

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<v Speaker 2>they do they you know, they they elected Hamas. They

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<v Speaker 2>killed Fatzau, which is supposedly more moderate action. There is

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<v Speaker 2>no way that that can never be a sate and

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<v Speaker 2>not I think it was this summer Fata and Jammas

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<v Speaker 2>Warren talks to have a unity government. If you give

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<v Speaker 2>any Palestinian the state, it's going to be a Fata run.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's going to be a Humas run state.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of an elections in the West Bank because Hummas

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<v Speaker 2>will win or people like Huamas will win those elections.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why they don't have elections. So that is the

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<v Speaker 2>dead idea. There is no two state solution here. There

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<v Speaker 2>are already two states or three. There's Jordan, which has

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<v Speaker 2>a majority Palestinian population, There's Egypt, and then there's Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are real countries. Those are the countries that in

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<v Speaker 2>the end will have to work this out. From my perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the government in Israel goes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a price to pay for having

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<v Speaker 2>the largest security breach in the history of that country

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<v Speaker 2>in the history. Worse than Young Kipper War, worse than

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties missile crisis. This is devastating, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why Netanyahu has been very despite perceptions here,

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<v Speaker 2>very soft on Hamas overall, and he's not a hawkish

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<v Speaker 2>type as they always portray him. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>you can let this happen. People need to There has

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<v Speaker 2>to be a political price for it as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where that goes, but there has to be

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<v Speaker 2>a political price.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you know Biden addressed the nation yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>on this issue, and you know he said a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that I think a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>things he said were the right things to say under circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they're pretty obvious things to say. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of people that are tying biden administration

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<v Speaker 1>policy vis ivy Iran and the six billion dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that too in any way, whether sort of

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<v Speaker 1>encouraging or or even directly funding the preparations for this incident,

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<v Speaker 1>the sneak attack that we saw. I mean, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you assess all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave a good present, give a good speech yesterday? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the that doesn't change the fact, first of all, that

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<v Speaker 2>six billion. You know, the idea that that six billion

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<v Speaker 2>didn't go to this exact attack is just a child

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<v Speaker 2>can see that. That's stupid. You know, everyone understands how

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<v Speaker 2>money is fungible, and they're how they conduct their own lives.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really want to get into that, but actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I should say that it's not just six billity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more like forty billion in waivers over the last

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<v Speaker 2>few years. And that's not even talking about the hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of millions of dollars we send American tax payers directly

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<v Speaker 2>to the Palestinians. The idea that none of that goes

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<v Speaker 2>for this kind of preparation. Think about the scale of

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<v Speaker 2>this operation down there. I mean, this is not something

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<v Speaker 2>that you can just you know, get your gang together

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<v Speaker 2>and do you have to plan this? It costs a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money. There are logistical things that you need

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Israel's not some you know, third world state,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with like a rickety fence. This was planned.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it seems like maybe they are. Actually but

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<v Speaker 2>you know this was planned. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money that goes into that, and there's no way that

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<v Speaker 2>indirectly our money or the EUS money or the UN

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<v Speaker 2>money that we give that ends up in Palestinian places

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<v Speaker 2>does not go towards this. It is mind boggling that

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<v Speaker 2>we would send money to people who want to kill us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about Jews or Israelis. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is, a terrorist organization on the US Department's Terrorists

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<v Speaker 2>Justice Department's terrorist list. We're sending them money. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>And has he stopped that payment? No? Has he stopped

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<v Speaker 2>the six billion dollar check? No, as as far as

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<v Speaker 2>I know. So, speech is nice, but actually he has

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<v Speaker 2>done nothing really about those issues.

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<v Speaker 1>So what has I mean Biden's posture toward Israel, if

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't gotten a lot of attention in the first

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<v Speaker 1>three years of administration, what would you say about it?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say that he's a doddering old man who can

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<v Speaker 2>put two thoughts together. And this is run by a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of ex Obama administration officials or pro Iran who

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to lift Iran up to be a regional nuclear

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<v Speaker 2>power in that area in my view, and that that's

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<v Speaker 2>why you get people like Rob Malley, who, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've talked about this, basically had

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<v Speaker 2>aspiring around him dictating Iranian policy or or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being in charge of Iranian policy. There is still someone

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<v Speaker 2>in the Pentagon who pledged loyalty to the Islamic state,

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<v Speaker 2>that kills Americans, that he kidnaps Americans, that funds all

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<v Speaker 2>least proxy wars like I see these like in the media,

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<v Speaker 2>you hear people talk about the Arab Israeli conflict. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no Arab Israeli conflict. Most Arab countries are peace with Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a Palestinian Islamic Iran in specifically nexus that Israel

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<v Speaker 2>is fighting. It is not a war against the Arab

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<v Speaker 2>people or anything like that. And the Biden administration has acted,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in appeasement basically.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean, I want to ask you a

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<v Speaker 1>That's t the number two t dot org. Why David

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<v Speaker 1>does the again? The Obama apparatus, the upper echelon the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat Party, Why do they have? I guess I'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to describe it. We talk about the appeasement a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but there seems to be an enduring excuse, making reflex

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<v Speaker 1>and some kind of a fondness for the Iranian theocracy

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<v Speaker 1>and the mulas who run it. Where does that come from?

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<v Speaker 2>And Hamas and yeah, So I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's long been a connection between the left,

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<v Speaker 2>the hard left, which has now been normalized where people

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<v Speaker 2>sit in Congress are a part of that, and the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of Third World movement and against colonialization and against

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all that stuff. So I think that's always

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<v Speaker 2>been there. And people like Obama, who I forget the name.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's called Rising Sun. If you read that book,

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<v Speaker 2>you see he's had a long term of fondness and

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of almost an obsession with Iran. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it matters to him, and he surrounded himselfself with people

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<v Speaker 2>like Ben Rhodes and Rob Mallley and others who believe

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<v Speaker 2>that as well. So I don't know what the exact

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<v Speaker 2>root of it is. I just I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I think that they have an instinct to be

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<v Speaker 2>an anti American. And I'm not saying like you can't

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<v Speaker 2>be pro Palestinian states to make you anti American, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a civilization against barbarians, basically right from the thirteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're on the wrong side of that, if

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<v Speaker 2>you both side that, I don't know what to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're against Western civilization and you're against America

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<v Speaker 2>and you're an anti semit I don't really know how

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<v Speaker 2>else to say it. I think it's pretty simple. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying that we all come to the same conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>of what how we should act or what we should do.

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<v Speaker 2>But if like you're AOC and you're out there tweeting

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<v Speaker 2>about Islamophobia today baby's heads are being chopped off Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>baby's heads, you're you're you're an anti semi. Functionally, you're

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<v Speaker 2>an anti semi to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you. And I agree, David, with

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<v Speaker 1>everything you just said and I've been saying. I just

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<v Speaker 1>think that this is a choice between civilization and barbarism

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<v Speaker 1>at its core, and the barbarism is motivated by a

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<v Speaker 1>hatred that is fundamentally just about anti Semitism and hatred

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<v Speaker 1>of Jews. But I do want to switch topics just

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<v Speaker 1>for a moment, if I can. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>because it's been a lot, you know, it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot this week, and I understandably so when it continues

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<v Speaker 1>to be But I want to switch to the American

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<v Speaker 1>political scene for a moment. Just get your sense of

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<v Speaker 1>the RFK junior third party run, which looks like it's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you see this and what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it ends up doing? Like what's the effect of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? Just to tie it into what we were just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. I think that this is a pretty clarifying

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<v Speaker 2>moment for me in the sense that you see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these people who have kind of like become

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<v Speaker 2>part of the conservative movement because of the populism, anti

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<v Speaker 2>woke stuff, but actually are terrible on a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other things. Right, That's how I think about RFK. I

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<v Speaker 2>am not a fan. I think the guy is completely nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of these people who has for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time been conspiratorial and he tripped over something real. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying he was wrong about what he said about

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<v Speaker 2>COVID or that he is wrong. You have to think

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<v Speaker 2>about the bigger picture. It bothers me that so many

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<v Speaker 2>conservatives or people on the right are enamored with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, is this going to hurt Trump? More? Is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hurt Biden? Moore I don't really even know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know this?

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<v Speaker 2>If Donald Trump sees a poll where RFK is like

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<v Speaker 2>taking away his votes, he's going to destroy that guy

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<v Speaker 2>with a bunch of nicknames. And you know, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring up all this stuff the guy's done, a

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<v Speaker 2>friend of Farakhan, you know, just the other stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>he's done, and I think he'll be destroyed. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he's going to be that big of a player

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<v Speaker 2>in this election. But I you know, it's hard for

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<v Speaker 2>me to get a handle on the American people lately.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that the last midterm. I see no reason

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats should be winning anything these days. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know, David.

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<v Speaker 1>I this is my I walk around sometimes almost in

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<v Speaker 1>a day, is like, what are people not getting at

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<v Speaker 1>this point? You know, especially on things like the border

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<v Speaker 1>and crime. I just I'm like, what what do Democrats?

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<v Speaker 2>Anything? There? Anything going well for Democrats right now? Crime

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<v Speaker 2>is up, the border stinks. The economy is in big trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, we're teetering on some serious problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Inflation is up, interest rates are high, and no one

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<v Speaker 2>can buy a home like this. I've never seen the

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<v Speaker 2>environment primed for Republican landslide since you know, historically speaking

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<v Speaker 2>since maybe nineteen seventy nine, right, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>much work. People are more partisan now. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how that's going to work out. There are

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<v Speaker 2>other forces involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I always appreciate your your your humble moral passion and clarity.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, your humility while you're while you're in the fight, man,

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<v Speaker 2>Right back at you. Thank you,