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Speaker 1: Brief everybody. We're going to continue with our coverage today

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Speaker 1: of everything happening in Israel and the war against Hamas.

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Speaker 1: There joining us is our friend David Harsanyi. He is

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Speaker 1: a senior editor at The Federalist. David, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 2: It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know the conflict is just really beginning now.

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Speaker 1: The Israeli response, the counter strike is underway as we speak,

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Speaker 1: and we've spent time on the show this week already

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Speaker 1: discussing the atrocity, the heinousness of these crimes. It's beyond comprehension.

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Speaker 1: It is an evil that it goes to the worst

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Speaker 1: steps of depravity. I want to ask you, what do

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Speaker 1: you think the strategy now the end state should be

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Speaker 1: for net and Yahoo, the Israeli leadership. What what does

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Speaker 1: the right response look like?

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Speaker 2: Wow? I mean you know, there are I think different

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Speaker 2: facets that I have to go through.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: One is, obviously you need to take care of Hamas. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that mission is done until you're speaking

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Speaker 2: about them in the past tense, so you you know

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Speaker 2: that means a ground war or you know, house to

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Speaker 2: be incredibly dangerous. I'm not like an expert, but surely

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Speaker 2: it will be booby trapped. Because Israelis go out of

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Speaker 2: their way to help civilians. They're basically like projecting where

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Speaker 2: they're going to go, so Hamas knows where they're going

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Speaker 2: because they want to move civilians. So it's going to

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Speaker 2: be Israelis are going to lose lives doing that, but

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Speaker 2: I think it's a necessary thing to do. Then obviously

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Speaker 2: you have to start thinking about Isabella, and they're you know,

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Speaker 2: threatening Israel constantly in the north, another Iranian proxy with

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Speaker 2: And then you have to start thinking about Iran. If

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Speaker 2: a country actually they did, I mean, if a country

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Speaker 2: helped logistically and with funding to attack your country, to

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Speaker 2: kill your citizens and celebrated it, that's a declaration of

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Speaker 2: war in most places for any normal country. Iranians did

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Speaker 2: that to Israel and two eleven American citizens, not to

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Speaker 2: mention the six hundred soldiers they've killed in the past,

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Speaker 2: or more of Americans and the hostage industry they have.

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Speaker 2: So im not saying we should go to war with them.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is Israel is it has to in

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Speaker 2: some way weaken that regime or hurt them. There has

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Speaker 2: to be a price to pay for this, or they're

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Speaker 2: going to do it again. And another country that needs

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Speaker 2: to be thought about is Qatar, where Hamas leadership just

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Speaker 2: sits in a Nancy Hotel room as this goes on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're supposedly an ally of the United States,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. Those are the things that

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Speaker 2: popped them up into my mind right now.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the the change that this

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Speaker 1: may have in terms of the long term implications for

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Speaker 1: what happens with the West Bank, with Gaza, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk of two state solution, all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to me that Hamas has made

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Speaker 1: it as clear as it as it honestly possibly can

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Speaker 1: that not only does it have no it has no

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Speaker 1: interest in a peaceful solution ever, but it is just

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Speaker 1: a sworn mortal enemy of every every Jew in Israel,

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Speaker 2: In the world. Yeah, that was never going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I mean Hamas. I'm sure your listeners know, and you

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Speaker 2: know Gaza was given to Hama because it was given

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Speaker 2: to the Palestinians in two thousand and five. It's kind

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Speaker 2: no way that that can never be a sate and

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Speaker 2: I mean it's going to be a Humas run state.

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Speaker 2: That's why they don't have elections. So that is the

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Speaker 2: dead idea. There is no two state solution here. There

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Speaker 2: are already two states or three. There's Jordan, which has

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Speaker 2: Those are real countries. Those are the countries that in

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Speaker 2: the end will have to work this out. From my perspective,

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Speaker 2: don't know why Netanyahu has been very despite perceptions here,

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Speaker 2: you can let this happen. People need to There has

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Speaker 1: I know that you know Biden addressed the nation yesterday

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Speaker 1: policy vis ivy Iran and the six billion dollars and

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Speaker 1: all of that too in any way, whether sort of

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Speaker 1: encouraging or or even directly funding the preparations for this incident,

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Speaker 1: the sneak attack that we saw. I mean, how do

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Speaker 2: Gave a good present, give a good speech yesterday? You know,

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Speaker 2: the that doesn't change the fact, first of all, that

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Speaker 2: can see that. That's stupid. You know, everyone understands how

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Speaker 2: I don't really want to get into that, but actually,

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Speaker 2: you know, I should say that it's not just six billity.

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Speaker 2: It's more like forty billion in waivers over the last

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Speaker 2: to the Palestinians. The idea that none of that goes

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Speaker 2: and do you have to plan this? It costs a

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Speaker 2: lot of money. There are logistical things that you need

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Speaker 2: to do. Israel's not some you know, third world state,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like maybe they are. Actually but

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Speaker 2: does not go towards this. It is mind boggling that

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about Jews or Israelis. I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: Hamas is, a terrorist organization on the US Department's Terrorists

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Speaker 2: Justice Department's terrorist list. We're sending them money. It's insane.

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Speaker 2: And has he stopped that payment? No? Has he stopped

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Speaker 2: I know. So, speech is nice, but actually he has

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Speaker 1: So what has I mean Biden's posture toward Israel, if

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Speaker 1: three years of administration, what would you say about it?

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Speaker 2: I'd say that he's a doddering old man who can

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Speaker 2: put two thoughts together. And this is run by a

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've talked about this, basically had

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I want to ask you a

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Speaker 1: to describe it. We talk about the appeasement a lot,

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Speaker 1: but there seems to be an enduring excuse, making reflex

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Speaker 2: And Hamas and yeah, So I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think there's long been a connection between the left,

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Speaker 2: Now? Just to tie it into what we were just

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Speaker 2: If Donald Trump sees a poll where RFK is like

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Speaker 1: I this is my I walk around sometimes almost in

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