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Speaker 2: This episode contains sensitive topics. Listener discretion is a viz.

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Speaker 2: What's up Professional Homegirls? Ishigara Ebene here and we are

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Speaker 2: back with another conversation from our men's series. Now. On

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Speaker 2: today's episode, my guest shares his journey of being delivered

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Speaker 2: from homosexuality. Now. When we began our conversation, I didn't

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Speaker 2: know that this would be included, but you're here why

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Speaker 2: and a few My guest was very transparent about his experiences,

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Speaker 2: discussing his childhood, his views on the gay community, how

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Speaker 2: he got involved in scamming child and much more. Plus,

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Speaker 2: he has agreed to come back on the show with

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Speaker 2: his wife for a part two, so if you have

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Speaker 2: any questions for them or any comments, please email me

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Speaker 2: at hello at the phgpodcast dot com. Now, y'all, this

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Speaker 2: episode is one of those ones, so get comfortable and

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Speaker 2: get ready because I was delivered from homosexuality starts now.

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Speaker 2: All right, to my guests, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being on the show. How are you? How are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: I'm wonderful. How are you thankful to be here?

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Speaker 2: Yes? No, all is cute. I'm feeling well.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I had a three day weekend, so I feel nice

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Speaker 3: I wish I could say the same. I've been eating

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Speaker 3: and resting and just getting ready for an event next

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Speaker 3: week down in Miami for three days. So hey, we

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Speaker 3: listen and the rest is good? Oh yeah, what I

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Speaker 3: get my age to nine? Okay, listen, I'm fifty five,

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Speaker 3: so I have to make sure that I'm getting that

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think I told you this already, but

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Speaker 2: I am really excited to have you on the show

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Speaker 2: because I know your story would definitely resonate with a

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Speaker 2: lot of men. So thank you so much for really

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Speaker 2: coming on and being transparent.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, very open, Linsten. You can ask me anything.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I have a lot of questions to ask

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Speaker 2: you because I know you have lived a life. I

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Speaker 2: know you had a very challenging upbreaking, but you were

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Speaker 2: also had a lot of great things going on in

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Speaker 2: excited to have this conversation with you. So how do

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Speaker 2: you feel society attitudes towards homosexuality, especially within religious belief

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Speaker 3: As far as the society now, it's now more accepting

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Speaker 3: me that our rights. We're here. We deserve to be

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Speaker 3: treated equally fairly. We deserve it right now. Society as

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Speaker 3: a whole. Now I'm going to separate from a sexual

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Speaker 3: personally when I was in it. When I was in it,

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Speaker 3: I do too, because even if you see a child

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Speaker 2: I don't know about your books? Like I got you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So when I was delivered from it, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had those hands.

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Speaker 3: What I had no choice. I'm a managed I had

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Speaker 3: It's what do you want to do?

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Speaker 3: One the religious aspect of it, I find it very

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Speaker 3: something that happened to me that I had no choice

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Speaker 3: But you can accept everybody else but me the time

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Speaker 2: Now, that's one thing I didn't know about your story.

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Speaker 2: like yourself or he's going through. Yes, So what pushed

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Speaker 3: You want me to be honest, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to come close to this screen. I didn't

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Speaker 3: I loved being gay. I loved being in the atmosphere.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't about sleeping around having sex with. I love

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Speaker 3: And he said, God has it gets you to get

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Speaker 3: and God kept saying it's over. Let it go. I

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Speaker 2: So used to spirit on you sing one.

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Speaker 3: Yeahs open transparency. I can divulge whatever you want to

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Speaker 3: Thank you, he said, God is telling me to tell you.

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Speaker 2: so thank you for just a transparency.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome. I hope to help someone or some ones

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Speaker 2: Oh, It's definitely gonna help a lot of people. And

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, congratulations on that too, Yeah, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: When you share your story, Like, what's the reception that

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Speaker 3: It depends on the mindset of where people are at.

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Speaker 2: Now? You can't be knocking people out no more?

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Speaker 3: Now, No, I don't do that. I'm a save and

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Speaker 3: But there's no need. I'm telling my truth. I'm telling

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Speaker 2: This episode contains sensitive topics. Discretion is advice. Have you

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Speaker 3: As far as them being delivered from home. And so

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Speaker 3: Do know some guys that have shared with me that

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Speaker 3: But as far as someone that really is not in

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Speaker 2: Now share talk to us about your family dynamics.

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Speaker 3: Growing up Okay, sure? Growing up in down households four

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Speaker 3: He sent her back to Savannah, Sylvania, Georgia, to my grandmother,

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Speaker 3: He was very violent. He was an abusive alcoholic. Found

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Speaker 3: of her head. Wow, And we had to watch this.

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00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: My father's in a drunken rage coming home, spending all

440
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: his money in the street or it was taken. He's pissy, drunk.

441
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 3: We have to walk on eggshells and glass at the same.

442
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: Time, right, because you don't know what you're gonna get

443
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: from him.

444
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 3: We don't know who he gonna hit first, or what

445
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 3: is he gonna reach or what. So it was just

446
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 3: really weird because we had to experience a lot of fighting,

447
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: a lot of trying to help my mom. She's five four,

448
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: he's six five. He's twice the size of me, and

449
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: he was beating our mother profusely, and we tried to

450
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: do our best to stop him. My second oldest sister

451
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: had already left. She left right out of high school,

452
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: got married and live right next door. They didn't know

453
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: what was going on. He used to beat on her too.

454
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: So as we me and my brother got older, and

455
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: my oldest brother started getting really tall and really big,

456
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: to the point my brother said, to hell and nothing

457
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: was enough. Right, it was so bad, Like my daddy

458
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: was heat up my iron and wait for my mom

459
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 3: to come home just because he meant because he didn't

460
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: win in the street and spend all this money with

461
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: these women and got and drawn, and now he don't

462
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: have any money to pay any bills, so he's gonna

463
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: take it out of her.

464
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: Do you think your mom knew that he was on drugs?

465
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: She had to right, she had to know. We were young,

466
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: so we didn't know anything right. So he would wait

467
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: and he will get her and trap in the room

468
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 3: and lock her door and burn with the iron. My

469
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 3: brother would have to break the door down to stop

470
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: her from doing that.

471
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: Oh, that's heartbreaking.

472
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: He will beat her with bats. We would. I would

473
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: be her protective shield on the bottom half, her brother

474
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 3: on her top half. So we're holding her so he

475
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: can hit us instead of hitting him hitting her.

476
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: Did she ever say why she stayed?

477
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: No, she didn't, But I realized later my mother stayed

478
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: out of fear, and she stayed thinking where am I

479
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: going to go with four children? I walking back to

480
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: move into the country. They are already laughing at her

481
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: and pointing fingers for her having a child out of wedlock,

482
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 3: because my mom's family is Christian about traveling, ministers, all

483
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: of that, so she would be like the blacking stock

484
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: of the family. And then she stayed out of I

485
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: don't know why.

486
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 2: Killed her.

487
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: He could have killed her, yeah, but he came to

488
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: a point where my brother was sixteen, I was thirteen.

489
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: My brother said he was tired of that. So one

490
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: day my dad came home. He was so drunk. My

491
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: brother took his part he always kept a knife, pulled

492
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: it out and put it at his throat. And I'm

493
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 3: standing there with her bath and my brother said, I

494
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: don't give a damn if you swing on me, better

495
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 3: hit him, because if you don't want to beat you,

496
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: this is my brother's coming me. He told my daddy.

497
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: But then that knife that he said, if you ever

498
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: touched my mother again, the next time you get drunk,

499
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stab you on your neck until you stop

500
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: bringing He never touched my mother again.

501
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: Did you look at your mom differently because of that?

502
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: Or did that situation make you look at women differently?

503
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: It made me want to be more protective of women, right,

504
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 3: I'm overly protective of any my wife or any female.

505
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 3: You can't talk to me, talk to them crazy around me.

506
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 3: I have a problem with that because of the situation. Yeah, yeah,

507
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: it made me. It did not make me know that

508
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: are different. I love my mother because my mother. Let

509
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: me tell you, my mother prayed us through situations of jails, prison, sickness, diseases, robberies,

510
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: you name it. God would tell us something's going on,

511
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: and she would go to praying and call us and say,

512
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: this is what's going on. So I love my mother

513
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: to the day. We had to put on the ground

514
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: that he can't tell me nothing about her, because that

515
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: woman loved us in the condition. And I knew I

516
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: was a minute.

517
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: And do you think anybody else was aware of everything

518
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: that was going on? Or did y'all just look like

519
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: y'all was like the perfect family?

520
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: Oh who knew? You? See well, I'm dressed now?

521
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: His shirt, baby, he got this shirt on. I was like,

522
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: I like this shirt.

523
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: We stayed late, we stayed dressed well. My mother shot

524
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: at the best of malls and stores. We were a

525
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 3: two car, one truck family in a small apartment. We

526
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: looked good, we ate good, we presented well for the family.

527
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: No one kneed it, you know when they found out

528
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: when my book came out.

529
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: Wow, And that's how many years later? How many decades?

530
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 3: First book was twenty fifteen. I believe my first book

531
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: and let me tell you when I wrote that book,

532
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: when my family got a hold of that book, I

533
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: found out through one of my cousins they had a

534
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: round table meeting on my dad's side and said he

535
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: is lying. What did I have? My brother wouldn't do

536
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: that because they didn't believe it. They didn't believe it.

537
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: A couple of my cousins believed it, and I had

538
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: one cousin said he said that the meeting. He said,

539
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: I told them, he said, this book is too detailed.

540
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: There's no way he's lying. And my brother, my brother

541
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: is a pitbull times five. He wanted to go challenge

542
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: aller than myself for what I don't need. Yes, they

543
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: don't want to believe. It's the damn too, that damn mind.

544
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: You got to be crazy. We don't win it with

545
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: this monster.

546
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

547
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: So they didn't know.

548
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: And why would I allow my dad like that?

549
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why would I lie? They said I made it up.

550
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: It was a figure of my imagination that never happened.

551
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: That's a crazy ass imagination.

552
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got a good visit imagination too if

553
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: I wrote that.

554
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: Wow. So how does your relationship with your father shape

555
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: your early perceptions of men? And masculinity.

556
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: Oh M, how do I how do I even answer

557
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: that question?

558
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 2: I hated him, Yeah, I can only imagine.

559
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: Because of the stuff he did. This it stopped me

560
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: from getting high on any type of drugs. I didn't

561
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: drink because of that, and it made me be non violent.

562
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: It was getting there a few times whenever I had

563
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: dated someone, and I tried to date females young, but

564
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: I would get violent with them and this is a

565
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: transferable spirit, this.

566
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Is not the good wow with them.

567
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: But then I would end up with guys like the molester,

568
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: because the molester treated me like his son. So when

569
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: I looked at my father, I hated the very essence

570
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: of them. Right, And I tried my best without vomiting,

571
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 3: to have a decent conversation with and it was not

572
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: always easy because when I was sitting around him, it

573
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: was like I'm talking to a stranger. Who are you

574
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: stranger in my house? Like to me and says, I

575
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: felt like it was a stranger in my house. So eventually,

576
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: over time, because my father started getting ill in twenty

577
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: around twenty fourteen fifteen, God had someone call me and

578
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: told me I have to forgive him.

579
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not for him but for yourself.

580
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,239
Speaker 3: Yes, And I said, okay, God, I'll do that. I

581
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: heard God said no, no, I need you to be serious.

582
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: You've forgiven him with your mouth for not your heart.

583
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: It have to work together. When I did that, I

584
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: just broke down in tears. And I actually forgave him

585
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: and started conversing with him. But he found out about

586
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: what I wrote when I gave him a book when

587
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: he was with this woman that he cheated on my

588
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: mother with. So it took me some time.

589
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: Had do you ever apologize to you or to you

590
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: and your brother and your sisters?

591
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: Never never brought it up. He never said I'm sorry.

592
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: He died in twenty.

593
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: Two, Oh that was recent.

594
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just died recently, my mother's twenty years ago.

595
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: And he never apologized. And then he had dementia real bad,

596
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: so he didn't remember anything. And I would go visit

597
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: him in the hospitals and the nursing homes, but we

598
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: never got an apology. But I had to forget himself

599
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: and forgive him.

600
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how did the abuse affect your daily life

601
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: as a child? Ange just teenager?

602
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: Like?

603
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: Did the teachers even notice anything?

604
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: The teacher didn't notice, but my acts of violence in

605
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: school was a problem to them. Got great grades, did

606
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: well in school, and athletics in the band, all of that.

607
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: But I would get in violent or a radit towards

608
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: any student that will try me, or if a teacher

609
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: send something out of the way, I would get violent

610
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: with them. But other than that, I was happy, cheerful, jovial, laughing,

611
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: making jokes. That was my deflector that's joking jokes, and

612
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: my superpower was dressing well mm hm to cover up

613
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: what I was really going through.

614
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Did your mom never talk to you all about this

615
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: before she passed away?

616
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: No, there was never brought up. That's strange, right, It

617
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: was never a conversation all that we went through in

618
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: the household, Nobody talked about it as if it was

619
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: never a thing.

620
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Would you would you have one in the conversation?

621
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: I would have wanted one with the both of them

622
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: as to why why did you do her like this?

623
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: Why did you stay? Do you understand the offense of

624
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: what has happened to us? All of us? We all

625
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: spiral out of control?

626
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to ask you, how did this

627
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: affect your brother and your sisters?

628
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: Well, my older sister, she still has these issues today

629
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: because she considered me to be the favorite MMM and

630
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: she still anger and bitter. She hated our father to

631
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: the end. She was angry and baited with our mom.

632
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: She would constantly get upsetting, curse her eye, and get

633
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: getting angry with my mom. And we still see little

634
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: sprinkers of that right now. My second oldest sister passed

635
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: away in sixteen. She started, she got married at eighteen.

636
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: She was getting high, she was out there, and then

637
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 3: she ended up going from marijuana to cocaine to crack.

638
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: She ended up in a back car accident that left

639
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 3: her in a vegetator stay all the way until she died.

640
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: So she was crying out too, and she ended up

641
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: in violent relationships with men that me and my brothers

642
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: had to go rescue her a lot. With my sister,

643
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 3: she could smoke crack in front of me. She could

644
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: smoke ten rocks, but if you lay your hands on her,

645
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: you're going to the grave or to the jail. Yeah

646
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: about her, So that was her situation. My brother, he's fired.

647
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: He got high, he was doing drugs, he was living,

648
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: he was stealing, he was doing everything. My outlet was

649
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: white collar, and my lifestyle stealing like no other doing

650
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: all kind of bank for credit cards, checks, all this

651
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: crazy stuff and just totally just letting go in the

652
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: gay lifestyle. I don't care. So yeah, it affected us

653
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 3: really bad.

654
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: Wow, God bless you because you I'm telling y'all, my

655
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: guests do not look like what he's been through. Like

656
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: if we were sitting next to each other, I would

657
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: take their shirt off his back and the glasses off

658
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 2: his face because he is sharp. God bless you. What

659
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: a story. And we haven't even got to the abusive

660
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: part yet. Yeah yeah, yeah, So can you describe how

661
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: you first met the family friend or was he a

662
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: family friend or was he a member of your family

663
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: who abused you in law from your mom, your dad's

664
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: hat in.

665
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 3: Law, my sister's husband brother.

666
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow, and what was your initial impression of him?

667
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: So this is how it started, so in the beginning again,

668
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: it happened between the ages of seven or nine. Yeah.

669
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: The way that it happened was I had feminine tendencies.

670
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 3: I know that. Why because I wasn't more attached to

671
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: my mom than my dad, right, and had no patients

672
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: and teaching us anything. It wasn't into sports. Everything I

673
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: did was a pattern after her our address, music, everything.

674
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: So I was considered a latch key kid. You ever

675
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: heard of that? Yeah? I was a latch key kid.

676
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: And first one home, Mom told me to follow the rules.

677
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: Locked the door, let nobody in.

678
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: Don't let nobody in their homework. You to listen, a

679
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: let's sit down. I was a chunk, but he would

680
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 3: come over and treated me and did everything that a

681
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: father should do with his son. Conversation, help me me

682
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: with homework, How was your day? What did you learn?

683
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: What is it that we need to study or go over?

684
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: Are you okay? Eating a snack, making sure nobody is there,

685
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: just watching television with me, reading.

686
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: Magazine, spend time with you.

687
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 3: He spent a lot of time with me, and I

688
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: was attracted to that that I drew too, because he

689
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: treated me like a son. He would, you know, hold

690
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: me like a son, like, you know, good job or whatever.

691
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: And I believe it was about three to four months

692
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: that's going on. He had a girlfriend and I noticed

693
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: one day she started arguing with him, and I didn't

694
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 3: understand why. She said, you spend so much time with him?

695
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: What's going on? How come you always over there? You're

696
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: over there and then you are more than you are

697
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: at home. You come straight from work, you'll go get

698
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: a shower and you go over to their house. What's

699
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: going on and how he was in his I want

700
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: to say early twenties. He was in his early twenties,

701
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: because we all lived in a string of apartments. It

702
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: was four small apartments and they lived in the third one.

703
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: And he would always tend to be worked for the city,

704
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: so he would come on around the same time I

705
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: came around, which was our three something, and it was

706
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: just like she was like, he was like, do you

707
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: mind your business? You know, but o ban blah blah,

708
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: telling her to go in the house. And he was

709
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: very attractive. She wasn't the best looking woman, but they

710
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: were together. And now that's why I say, well, I

711
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: to see a really not so attractive woman with a

712
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: handsome man. Oh you think so?

713
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: We used to say, you.

714
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: See, we used to say that back in the day

715
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: because that's what we call a cover up a beer, right,

716
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: he's a brother, that's a cover that's up front. He

717
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: don't want to be with her. And it's like as

718
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 3: I got older, we will since got more and more

719
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: that that's what we would say. M hm. So you

720
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: know they would call him trade or download brothers in

721
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 3: the gay lifestyle?

722
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: Right, But is it possible that she made a knew

723
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: something about him and that's why she was arguing with him?

724
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: Well, she had she She only said anything. The person

725
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: I ever seen him say something is because he was

726
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: coming over a lot more than he should have just

727
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: to be watching me versus Okay, oh here, all right,

728
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: you're fine, the me lock the door, gonna go back

729
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: to me my wife or my girlfriend's house. We eat

730
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: dinner and you know, enjoy it. Didn't do that in

731
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: our house alive. So when the initial act happened of

732
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: me being molested, might as well say rage. He's like,

733
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here and he starts sliding over, and I'm

734
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: like looking at him, like what are you? Like what's

735
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: going on?

736
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: Like like what are you doing? My father never did this,

737
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: like embrace you and touch you.

738
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: You never kissed me, He never held me. I didn't

739
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: know what it was like to be touched by a man,

740
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: by a woman, by a man. That was strange to me.

741
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: So I jumped and I was like, what's going on?

742
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: And he started touching me on my thighs and grubbing

743
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: me in my private area, and we started whispering in

744
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: my ear, seeing the molestation happened in my mind first

745
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: before the rape happened in my body right saying all

746
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: these words, and it's almost like a snake was hissing

747
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: in my ear, saying, you know this is good for you,

748
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: this is necessary. You know, you know, like this is

749
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: something you want. And he was saying, you know, if

750
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: you don't give me what I want, I can't give

751
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: you what you want. I can't come over, I can't

752
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 3: ten to you, and also stapped me work out too,

753
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: find you because he had a really nice body. He

754
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: would work out, so he was all these things feeding

755
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 3: him in my ear, and it was like he was

756
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: breaking down my soul to the point of me giving

757
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: in of what he wanted. And it happened for this you.

758
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: Because you spoke about how you felt like it was

759
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: like a spiritual manipulation.

760
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: It was a spiritual manipulation, and my spirit, my soul,

761
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: my emotions fell for it because I was getting everything

762
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: that I didn't get for my father, because I craved

763
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: that attention. Before the act happened. Let me just say

764
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: I was stand at the window waiting for him to

765
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: come because he's treated me like a son and have

766
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: a good time in our house of everything our dad

767
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: should do, played sports with me, everything. And when it happened,

768
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: I felt it was painful because I was penetrated right

769
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: and me for my mind because I can't believe this

770
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 3: is something I gotta do. So it's like a seed

771
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: was planted in me to be sexually attracted to men. Wow.

772
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: So when he left, eventually they moved, my life felt

773
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: flat lined again. Hmm. And the next thing I know,

774
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: this family moves in next door. Didn't know that one

775
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: of the sons was gay. He was recovered. He started

776
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: coming trying to get with me. Then one of my

777
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: brother's friends was trying to get with me. It was

778
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: just getting really wild. And I had no gay friends.

779
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: I had nobody else's reference to what the hell is

780
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: going on right here? Right?

781
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: And being that you are a man of an age,

782
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: I can only imagine like back then, people were not

783
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: as open with their sexuality.

784
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: It was very hiddy, right. They didn't want anybody to know.

785
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: And you know what, I only attracted by sexual men.

786
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 3: I didn't know what a gay man was. I didn't

787
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: know what a homosexual or or a fag or whatever

788
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: they want to call themselves, sisty. I didn't know what

789
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: that was.

790
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: Right. Were they bisexual? Were they down low?

791
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: Same? Because every one of them had children, Well they

792
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: have kids now, but they dated women, they slept with women.

793
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: But that's why I was in. They have to be

794
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: a front. As I got older, and at that time,

795
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: I was a teenager in middle school, middle going to

796
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: high school, so I just didn't care anymore. Right, I

797
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: was out and I had a best friend, may he

798
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: rest in peace, who we were out together. We did

799
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: everything together, and everybody knew we would get fly and

800
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: Marvel had some good, big gold money. So we was

801
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: writing in the dust of Cadillac, Mercedes, Benz, Jaguars, laced

802
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: in whatever we wanted. And we were known in the

803
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 3: town as the ones that if you get there, you

804
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: just want to glatter if you get one of those

805
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: two right there, because we didn't everybody.

806
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: M hm. Did you tell anybody what was going on with.

807
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: Him? Never? And you know why I didn't tell you this,

808
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: but you'll read it in the book.

809
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna get these books, you know that, right, Listen,

810
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: I am so and I read every single book, but

811
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: I did my research on you and everything. But I'm

812
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna buy two copies of any of the

813
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: listeners if you were like, I'm gonna do a giveaway.

814
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: If you are interested in these books, email me and

815
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: hello at the psgpodcast dot com because we have to

816
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: support our fellow guests because I am so he laughing,

817
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: but I'm so serious.

818
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: Just like I'm just honored to be here. Said you

819
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: researched me in I did God, thank you, Yeah, thank.

820
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: You guy, because this is like I'm just so thankful

821
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: for you and your transparency, So I really appreciate it.

822
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: Thank you. The reason why I didn't tell anybody is

823
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: because one my father was a very violent man. As

824
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: I told him, my father has taken the lives of

825
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: three people and never spent one day in jail.

826
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: We're not doing this. We're not doing this. I'm not funny, y'all.

827
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: He laughing too.

828
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 3: He don't laughing because you're losing. But it's true. I

829
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: wish my brother was here because he's so animated. But

830
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: he murdered three people.

831
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 2: How do you know?

832
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: I was looking. I remember I heard the stories.

833
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: And what happened.

834
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: My father was a he kept the peace on him

835
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: he kept his kN eyes on him, he kept his

836
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: backs on him, his machetes on him. My father didn't

837
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: play and that comes from my grandfather, my great grandfather

838
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 3: that were moonshine hustlers, where they were violent men as well.

839
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: He didn't play violent. He grew up.

840
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: He knew.

841
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: He grew up in selling a husband, that's all he knew.

842
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: He grew up in running women, that's all he knew.

843
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: And I knew that if I told my father, my

844
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: father was going to kill him. And I just thought

845
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: of my mom being all alone. And you know, even

846
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: though my dad was who he was in the streets,

847
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 3: he really did support us very well because my father

848
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: was very intelligent with his hands. He was always like

849
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: a leader or a manager or supervisor, and he always

850
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: got great jobs. So I just thought about what happens

851
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: if he goes to prison, what's going to happen to us? Now?

852
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: Me thinking as a kid. So that's why I never

853
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: told you, we.

854
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: Didn't have to we don't have to get too d

855
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: But why did he Why did he killed those three people, like.

856
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: Because they tried and they got in his face. I'm

857
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: telling my father was a he was he was he

858
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: was a bull. M M. It was a bull. And

859
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: if you got in his face and you got his

860
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: timing wrong, he was gonna pull out one of them

861
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: instruments because he really ain't used his hand. He used

862
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: instruments like this blade or whatever. So it was just

863
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: in his blood, see the rego. Why I say that

864
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: because when I wrote my book and doing my research,

865
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: I wanted to know about my grandfather. Come to find out,

866
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 3: my grandfather that raised him on my my grandfather that

867
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: raised him was not his father. His father was a

868
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: runner of one of it was a moonshine. He was

869
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: a he was a runner of women. He had ran

870
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: a gamble house. He was very violent. He controlled a

871
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: lot of the guys in the area that he lived

872
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: in Sylvania because he was a ball so he knew

873
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: how to make that line.

874
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

875
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 3: So I was told the story that my grandfather they

876
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: were playing cards and there was a guy that was

877
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: sitting across from him knew he was cheating. The man

878
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: was they say, fix fixing the cards. He fixed the

879
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: cars to the point where he knew what cards were,

880
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: what was being thrown out.

881
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: What carsh He thought.

882
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 3: He was slick, right, So my granddaddy very intelligent. I

883
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: got his smarts. My granddaddy knew what he was doing.

884
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 3: And they were just playing, and he and my daddy

885
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 3: and then my dad was a little boy, so he

886
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: he was around grown people all his life. Servan looked

887
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 3: at everything. So he was still playing the cards. They

888
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: playing playing playing. After a while, the man kept winning

889
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: over on his side, let him win. After about the

890
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 3: fourth time, they said, my granddaddy just slipped that night

891
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: from under him and over the table and stop the

892
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: man three times in the neck, in the veins. And

893
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 3: the man there on the table, he told my daddy,

894
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: come on, come in, son, picked them up, put them

895
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: on top of the man and say, see, so this

896
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: is what this is what you do with niggas. Try. Yeah,

897
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: don't let him try, your son. Don't let him play

898
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 3: in your face. And he sold y'all, niggas keep playing.

899
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna play right on this nigga right here. Wow,

900
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: that's part of my blood line.

901
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can only imagine how you gave it up, yo.

902
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: God bless your daddy.

903
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 3: Man.

904
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, we don't condone on how he treated

905
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: your mom and how he treated y'all, but I can

906
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: just only imagine what he went through during his journey.

907
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 3: And that's what made me have a soft spine in

908
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: my heart.

909
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: Fa absolutely yeah, because I would be trying. I would

910
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 2: be so scared to be sitting on somebody that's dead.

911
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 3: He was a kid, He was terrified, art of his mind.

912
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 3: But was he gonna disobey his dad? No? There right,

913
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 3: just like when somebody grew up in a mob or

914
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: a game.

915
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: That's all they know. Yeah, and that's probably why your

916
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: mama didn't leave, because she already know what tim and

917
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 2: he was. He would be on.

918
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, because we didn't hear on the threats. We

919
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: don't know what he said to her. If you leave,

920
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna kill your I don't we don't know that right.

921
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: This episode contains sensitive topics. Listening discretion is a vice,

922
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: so they eventually do anybody know who what the friend did?

923
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 3: Like?

924
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: Where is he at now?

925
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: Brother? Well, this is how people are going to know.

926
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: I told my brother, and I remember my brother was

927
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: a carbon copy of my dad. God change them. When

928
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: I told my brother, he said, because we're so close,

929
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: I love my brother. He said, if he would have

930
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: told me this a few years ago, before I got

931
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: where I am would die, he said, I would have

932
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: fun brew his brains out. Yeah, because I have gone

933
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: above and beyond because of my hustle days. There was

934
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: nothing my brother didn't want. So for him to hear that,

935
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: I was actually touched because I was taunted. I was

936
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: picked up a lot growing up, so I had to

937
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: be uber masculine around my athletic family. Yeah, around my

938
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: friends and even around my brother's friends because I just

939
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: didn't do what they did. So yeah, that would have happened.

940
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: But a lot of people know because I put his

941
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: name name of my book. I don't care. I didn't care.

942
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: And have you been in contact with him?

943
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: No? I have not, But you're ready for this one.

944
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: God has a sense of humor.

945
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: He Oh, he definitely does, because.

946
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: I said, see him periodically in the town. So where

947
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: I live now, he lives right around the corner for me,

948
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: you liing. I don't know what'spawning with his hell. He

949
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 3: lives real bad. He has stockwhile he's walking. I've spoken

950
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: to him, he's spoken to me, and I leave it

951
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: at that. But I have forgiven him because I don't

952
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: want to mess block my blessings and I don't want

953
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 3: to end up not being with die for the rest

954
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: of my life because of what you've done. And then

955
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's done this to other children

956
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: or I believe he has kids as well. So but yeah,

957
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: I've seen him right off, and I may see him

958
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: after this because we're bringing it up again.

959
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you speaking him up. Wow, how would you feel

960
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: if he was to ever come up to you and apologize. Oh,

961
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: because he took away your innocence and put something on you.

962
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. He took my life, he took my innocence,

963
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 3: he took my childhood, he took my manhood, though guid

964
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: has restored as that. Yeah, because the way the way

965
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: my heart is set up now, I would tell them

966
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: I've already forgiven you. Yeah, and what I wanted an apology. Yes,

967
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 3: I would definitely love an apology one.

968
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely deserved an apology from somebody.

969
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: Yes, because I don't think anyone I know wanted to

970
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: be gay or live or liar. I don't believe so.

971
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: And I know a lot of straight gay men that

972
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: was like, I don't really I wish I never would

973
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: have gotten to this lifestyle, but I'm in it. This

974
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: is just who I am. This is the way I am,

975
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 3: or they may say this is the way God made me.

976
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not true. But a lot of them

977
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: don't want to be a part of it.

978
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have to forgive yourself?

979
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: Yes? I did. Yeah. God had to tell me that

980
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 3: because I didn't know that I had something that I

981
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: need to forgive myself. Isn't that something I didn't know that?

982
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: But no, I did. I forgive myself. Yeah.

983
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: I can tell by just listening to your story and

984
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: stuff and like, and I like, I love guys, so

985
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: I can always see what somebody else love God, and

986
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: I can just only imagine what that looked like because

987
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: you know, with the confliction and the conviction and everything

988
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: that you experienced and overcame, so I can only imagine

989
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: how you looked at yourself in certain situations.

990
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to forgive myself.

991
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, talk about when you first was introduced to

992
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: white collar crimes and scamming and drug dealing.

993
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: Okay, So how I really started in any type of

994
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 3: money activities was in elementary.

995
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: School money activities.

996
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 3: Money activities. When I was in school, I was like,

997
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: I was a chunky boy. I would get my allowance

998
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 3: and go to the little corner store and get my

999
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: little cookies and crackers and snacks and lollipops. And I

1000
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: went to a predominantly white school, so when I went

1001
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: to sit down, the white kids would say, can I

1002
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: have something? I was like, get me a quarter, just

1003
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 3: get my my mouth a quarter that Oh my god,

1004
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: they were thinking in their pockets. A light bulb came

1005
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: on because see their parents don't. That's a treat for them,

1006
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 3: that's a privilege. I was getting this every day, right you.

1007
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: I worked extra hard, got more money my allowance, and

1008
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: we'll go to the store. I don't know this was

1009
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 3: nobody told me to do this. I would get an

1010
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 3: extra pencil box for my money, a box for my snacks,

1011
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: and I was selling at the table. It got so

1012
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: intense because the kids were talking that I had to

1013
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: go eventually to the breastroom and tell them when I

1014
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: think up, you followed me. I got caught like a

1015
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: few months after that. I was making so much money,

1016
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: and that's what started it, because when they caught me,

1017
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: my daddy laughed. It suspended me and my mom said,

1018
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 3: I know there's more money in this room. When I

1019
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 3: got home, the Holy spirits told me there's more money.

1020
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: So I had to go and find the money where

1021
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: I hit it, and it just started growing. Now, how

1022
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 3: I started getting into crime is because I like to

1023
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: dress well and considering I didn't really have a real job,

1024
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 3: I was gonna steal. I would go take the sensors

1025
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 3: off right tomorrow when I would go out with some

1026
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: of my friends, or I would go to the mall

1027
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: with my brother. I would still for us. Wow, just

1028
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 3: growing and growing. And eventually how I got into white

1029
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: collar crime is you know they say you are who

1030
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: you are tracked. Yeah, that's true. I started attracting a

1031
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: lot of friends, mostly females because I didn't really deal

1032
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: with gays. Like I said, didn't know who they were.

1033
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: Mostly females and my one gay friend that we would

1034
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 3: go out and just pop the sensors, steal stuff places

1035
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: that didn't have censors. We would get backs. We were

1036
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: moving like because you got listen, listen, listen list. So

1037
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: eventually I graduated to going to Atlanta one year right

1038
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 3: with my cousin and we were carting some illegal pharmaceuticals

1039
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: going to Atlanta. The hotspot got stopped at Valdosta. Thank god,

1040
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: they wrapped it up in coffee because I was the driver.

1041
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: The coffee keeps the smell away right of that product.

1042
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: And I told her you can get this wheel. I'm

1043
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: not driving to your drunk saw. So we get to Atlanta.

1044
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: We meet with her friend, who's what if the known

1045
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: deals in Atlanta. She takes us to an apartment, three bedroom,

1046
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 3: two math. I'm thinking, I know, I'm like, she has

1047
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: a massive house where I was going here. She said,

1048
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm going to shop and I'm thinking we're going tomorrow.

1049
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 3: And we go to somebody's house. We walk in. It

1050
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: wasn't the lady's apartment. That was where she stored her items.

1051
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: She had rapped all rooms. When I tell you color coordinated,

1052
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: he go to first, he go to leathers, he goes this,

1053
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: He goes back, and I'm sitting here saying, how are

1054
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: you get all these clothes out of the store? But

1055
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: I mean tearing them? I said, I saw. No, I'm

1056
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: talking to one of the ladies and I noticed she's

1057
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 3: taking the sensors off with a machine. Yeah, I asked her.

1058
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: She gets slipped with me and I got to slip

1059
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 3: right back with her. I said, oh you're the dude girl,

1060
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 3: Oh you work for her? Oh, you're the bad handler.

1061
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: I said, that's what you because I'm looking over here

1062
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 3: she's counting the money. She's, oh, baby, I sure you

1063
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: how to do it. She teaches me about the full

1064
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: line bag, which is one of the chapters.

1065
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's called the Fall Line Bag.

1066
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: For a line bag. It's my first book, and it

1067
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 3: stops the censors from going on. We were a lineup

1068
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: bag inside, and it will stop the censors from going

1069
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: off when you walk out right. And I brought that

1070
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: home and that took me to another level. That's where

1071
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: I was able to go into the c laurrons, to

1072
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: come back song the gucciese and not worry about anything.

1073
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: And that was time like getting weird because everybody was

1074
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: doing it. So I started flipping into travelers checks, then checks,

1075
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: then credit cards, then banks. I was making thousands of

1076
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: dollars a month.

1077
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: I was like, what's the most money you think you

1078
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: made from this.

1079
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: In a year? I want to say in a year

1080
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: at the time, maybe three four hundred thousand dollars. I remember,

1081
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: I did you did check? So my money was going

1082
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: to be put away. And then I was helping my

1083
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: sister's kids that I told you was in a cry accident.

1084
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at there was six of them. One's deceased,

1085
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 3: but there were six of them at the time, and

1086
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: my parents and a partner and myself.

1087
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: So that's still a lot of money back in the

1088
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: day though.

1089
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: But I have multiple stream of incoming. One I ain't

1090
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: want to pick up. I'll pick up the other. And

1091
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: I put that down and picked this up. So it

1092
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: just I got deep into it. I love making the

1093
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: money and I loved what money was doing because it

1094
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: was helping my family. So I was deep into it.

1095
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: Like I had, I had a high end clientele. You couldn't.

1096
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 3: I did go from the streets because I was selling

1097
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: the streets to eventually private meetings, private settings, or you're

1098
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: given saying I want all of these items so I

1099
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: don't have to run all over the place. This was

1100
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: a business. I purchased stuff out of home depot, tiles, refrigerators, freezers,

1101
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: all types of things, rolexes, cardias, whatever, and I would

1102
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: go out, make my money and go home. I wasn't

1103
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 3: trying to be breef. I think it caught quite a

1104
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 3: few times.

1105
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: I was like, did you ever get caught?

1106
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 3: I've gotten caught. I've gotten caught several times, but the

1107
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 3: white collar was just really getting it because I couldn't

1108
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: stop because that was a that was my string of

1109
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 3: that was my meanings of income. I had an education.

1110
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: I did get my degree psychology from Marris Brown, and

1111
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 3: like I said, in Atlanta, that's what everything just exploded

1112
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: for me. But I needed to really support my family

1113
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 3: and the check that I looked at over here versus

1114
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: what I was hitting in the streets was not adding up.

1115
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 3: So I pushed that to the side. But the beautiful

1116
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: thing is I started really getting into fashion, putting events together,

1117
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: showed ball styling people on campus, off campus. My name

1118
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: was growing in those grounds. So that's what I would

1119
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: do because they already knew here in Palm Beach, Hey,

1120
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to get the best of the best.

1121
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: So what made you stop?

1122
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 3: What maybe stop was let me just tell you a story.

1123
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 3: And God is e loving. He really does weigh the

1124
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 3: balance of what you ask him. He looks at your heart.

1125
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 3: At the time when my sister in a car accident,

1126
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 3: I really got my knees, put my face on the

1127
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 3: ground and I asked her, if you allow me, do

1128
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: you say no, I'm going to stop because I'm already

1129
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 3: doing I need to do that help. But if you

1130
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 3: allow me to take my thing to another level, I

1131
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: promise you I will help my family and whoever you

1132
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 3: send my way to helping. I heard it flares day

1133
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 3: when I said to stop me stop. I'm looking at

1134
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 3: that so I'm gonna pay for it later. I'm gonna

1135
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 3: pay for something later. But it was very merciful. But

1136
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, when my mom was she

1137
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: suffered a stroke and a heart attack.

1138
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 2: That's the year she passed away.

1139
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: Right. Yes, God had came to me when she was

1140
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: getting ready to transition, and he said, do you remember

1141
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 3: our agreements? And I said yes. He said, put it

1142
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 3: all away. I didn't stop right away because I was

1143
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: I have a lot of stuff to unload, but that

1144
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 3: was going to be the end. So I had enough

1145
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 3: money that was going to buy my parents' home. Once

1146
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: to my mother transition. My father was already cheating and

1147
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 3: doing his thing. But that's when I stopped. M hmm,

1148
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: That's when I stopped. But during that time, I didn't

1149
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 3: know that there was a case being built on me

1150
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: in my friends. Wow, we knew nothing about it. And

1151
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: I got arrested the same year after my godmother's death,

1152
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: and God spoke to me and said, I had to

1153
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 3: bring you in here to clean you out. He said,

1154
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: I'm stopping you now because it's going to get worse.

1155
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 3: We always, I've always talked to him if I was

1156
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 3: doing crazy stuff. I went hear boys. People thought it

1157
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 3: was crazy. I was like, no, I'm telling you. When

1158
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm hearing, let's go if it's something hearing to happen.

1159
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 3: So that's when I stopped. And I had to go

1160
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: through a lot of tests and trials and my finances.

1161
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: It was very heavy, but I eventually stopped, and you know,

1162
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: my life is building now. I mean, like I saim

1163
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: in fashion, I'm in entertainment. I'm an actor, I'm an author.

1164
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 3: I am working on turning some of my I'm working

1165
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 3: on turning one of my chapters, The Latch, get into

1166
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: a short film and my book into a film. Like

1167
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 3: I'm working. I'm building more than ever. A minister, I

1168
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 3: propheside tell what God tells me to tell people.

1169
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, what is the Listen?

1170
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: What a story?

1171
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: What a story?

1172
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: Wait?

1173
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: Did you before we move on, because we're almost finished,

1174
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: did you go to jail?

1175
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: Yes, I've been in jail quite a few times. I've

1176
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 3: been in jail since like a my early teens, my

1177
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: late teens. The last time I went to jail was

1178
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, fifty fives. That was thirty five. Okay,

1179
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 3: that was the last time. But I've been I've been

1180
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: in jail here lyon Georgia, Alabama. Everything's in my book.

1181
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to listen. You're going to have a couple

1182
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: of more following up quick conversations. I would love to, Yeah.

1183
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: I did. God has been very merciful to me.

1184
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1185
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 3: Some of my cases should have kept me there for years,

1186
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 3: especially the one in Alabama. But when I tell you

1187
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 3: God is real, he's real. Wow, said I look at

1188
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 3: your heart. He means that.

1189
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: What's the longest amount you did in jail?

1190
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 3: Ten months? I spent two weeks in prison when I

1191
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 3: was in Alabama. And when they called me to go

1192
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: to a work camp, the officer said, I have never

1193
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 3: seen anybody with such a short amount of time here

1194
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: and get moved that quick. She said, you must you've

1195
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 3: got some friend people on your FI side. I said, yeah,

1196
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 3: I do. Yeah, And even when I got out of

1197
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: the work camp, they gave me two weeks probation of parole.

1198
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 3: The lady said another lady, she was like, I don't

1199
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: even know what two weeks, she said, you know, just

1200
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: call me. I'm gonna sign you out. You don't even

1201
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: have to come in. She said, I've never seen it before,

1202
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: but it was ten months here in Pumbage County, but

1203
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 3: I did like six seven months in Alabama.

1204
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: M overall in your life, what are your thoughts on

1205
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: forgiveness and what does that mean to you?

1206
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 3: My thoughts on forgiveness is it's the most freeing thing

1207
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: you can do for yourself. Yeah, because if I hold

1208
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 3: a brudge and anger towards you, whatever that may mean,

1209
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: or my situation or my circumstance, it's going to eat

1210
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 3: me up in a line, and I am not going

1211
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: to be a peace I'm not going to be able

1212
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:15,439
Speaker 3: to focus or function because if there's something that goes

1213
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 3: on in my life that triggers me and takes me

1214
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 3: back to that place, I'm going to have an unhappy marriage,

1215
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 3: an unhappy life, unhappy work environment, and unhappy everything. You

1216
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 3: can't keep holding onto that because something will trigger you

1217
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 3: to take you there. But when you forgive and you

1218
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: freed in your heart and mind, it's not going to

1219
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: move you. So that's where it does for me. And

1220
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 3: I tell people that unforgiveness ages you. Yeah, I tell

1221
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 3: them you better take care of yourself.

1222
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: That's a fack. Now, when it comes to your healing,

1223
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: what are some things that you do to continue your

1224
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: journey with healing? Because like you said, one wrong thing

1225
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: can trigger you in it can take you back to

1226
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: how it used to be. So what's some things that

1227
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: you do now when it comes to your healing journy.

1228
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 3: My healing journey starts with soaking music. When people say meditation,

1229
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 3: but there's a on YouTube. I listen to a lot

1230
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 3: of soaking music. I read my Bible, I talk to God,

1231
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 3: and I'm actually gone to the Creator to ask him

1232
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 3: to clean out my heart, clean out my soul because

1233
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 3: I can't do it. If I don't allow him to

1234
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 3: do it, then I'm going to fill it up, fill

1235
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,480
Speaker 3: it up with junk and drama and trauma and foolishness,

1236
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 3: and those triggers are going to come. Then what and

1237
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: when it does come, it's like I have a shield

1238
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 3: over my heart. He heard or abuse because he had

1239
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: to put it there because it's going to try to

1240
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 3: come back like the Bible says that the brands play

1241
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: the righteousness. When something hits it, like hitting any armor,

1242
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: it's going to bounce off. And I have to learn to,

1243
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 3: like I say, take things with a grant of salt,

1244
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 3: and I also do this. I also look could the

1245
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 3: person and say, well, what are they going through?

1246
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1247
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 3: Why is that person like that? Yeah? When you soon

1248
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 3: get to know that person and they tell you, tell

1249
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 3: you their story or why they're like that, it makes

1250
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 3: it a whole another world. It's totally different for me.

1251
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because sometimes it don't even be about you, It

1252
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: be about them.

1253
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, show me their heart, show me what's in their heart,

1254
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: and it's going to make you love them even more.

1255
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 3: Or how are you going to deal with that person?

1256
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what advice would you give to others who

1257
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: are struggling with their relationships with men due to a

1258
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 2: difficult relationship with their father.

1259
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 3: What advice would I give someone that's struggling with a

1260
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 3: relationship with their father or.

1261
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 2: Men due to a difficult relationship with their father.

1262
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 3: My best advice is to just I would say, write

1263
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 3: things down, mhm, write down what do you have? What

1264
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 3: issues you have with a man or with your father?

1265
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 3: And look at those things and focus on But I

1266
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 3: don't like my dad or written because of ABC X

1267
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 3: y Z. And you got to go to the root

1268
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 3: or whatever you're dealing with, and you got to start

1269
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 3: working on killing the root of those issues because if

1270
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 3: you won't do that, it's going to repeat over and over.

1271
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 3: Male boss, your sister's boyfriend, your mom and new husband.

1272
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 3: You have to deal with that stuff and don't resort

1273
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 3: to going to drinking and drigging, because it's going to

1274
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 3: make it worse. I tell people you have to do.

1275
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 3: You have to pray. You have to talk to God.

1276
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: If you don't know him, you don't believe in him,

1277
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: you need to talk to him right now because it's

1278
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 3: going to help me because there's no other way. And

1279
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 3: I don't mind telling people, go get you some therapy.

1280
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, go get you some help.

1281
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 3: Write it down, because writing is very cathartic and it's free.

1282
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: Even if you take it and you tear it up

1283
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 3: and you flush it or you burn it and you

1284
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 3: feel better, it's just you have to let that stuff

1285
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 3: go because it's just going to fester and grow. And

1286
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 3: forgive them, try your best to forgive them, and whatever

1287
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 3: way that may mean, because if you don't, it's going

1288
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: to just come back again.

1289
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And last butnot lyas how can men support

1290
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: each other better, particularly those who have had similar experiences.

1291
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 3: We just had a men's barbecue. Last one, this is

1292
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 3: the second one. Sit down and listen to what's going

1293
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 3: on in each and every person's life. Don't judge, don't

1294
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 3: try to assess, don't try to cycle analyze. Just sit

1295
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 3: and listen and let that person crow out what they're

1296
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 3: feeling or what they're dealing with. And then once you

1297
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 3: do that, now you have to come up with a

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Speaker 3: plan of action and a solution. What does that mean

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Speaker 3: for that person? Help them to come up with something

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Speaker 3: that's going to resolve while they feel the way they feel. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Once you do that, you'll gain a new friend because

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Speaker 3: you came to help me. You didn't come to point people.

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Speaker 3: We didn't come to judge me. You came to help

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Speaker 3: right and directly to the proper places to where they

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Speaker 3: can get full of therapy or teaching them how to meditate.

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Speaker 3: Great versus just issue stuff on them, because that's very sensitive.

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Speaker 3: You got to get people tied, Yeah, to get to

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Speaker 3: that place of being totally healed, deliver to set free

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Speaker 3: from that pain because it's a seed that turned into

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Speaker 3: a root, a tree that's now a root fruit on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: how to cut that tree down and excavate the roots

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Speaker 3: and help them heal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so happy we connected, y'all. He literally just

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01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: told me. We had a little interception because my computer

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Speaker 2: was acting weird. But he literally just told me how

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Speaker 2: he feels inspired to start his own.

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Speaker 3: Po Yes, I'm very inspired.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you your story is. I'm so happy

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Speaker 2: that I decided to do this series and I'm just

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Speaker 2: so happy that you are one of the men that

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Speaker 2: I've spoken to and to have on my show. So

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Speaker 2: I really can't thank you enough for being a part

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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you have any many blessings on what you're doing

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Speaker 3: with the Lord expand what you're doing. Yes, you're going

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Speaker 3: to get many men that will get on here and

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Speaker 3: just be able to you. Might be the new club.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, okayo a club.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So yes, I'm honored. Thank you again. This means

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Speaker 3: a world to me, and I'm just grateful. I'm grateful.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm grateful too. And y'all heard him. He said

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Speaker 2: he gonna come back on he's gonna ask his wife.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to support his books. I'm doing the giveaway,

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Speaker 2: so please make sure to email me a hello at

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Speaker 2: the PHG podcast. If you want to know more about

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Speaker 2: my guests, please make sure to hit me up so

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Speaker 2: we can support him. And thank you so much to

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Speaker 2: my guests. I'm pretty sure we're gonna talk again.

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Speaker 3: We will. Can I say one more thing?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: It's so funny because I was on a family zoom

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Speaker 3: Sunday Sunday, and I don't really get on because I'm

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Speaker 3: busy or I'm tired or whatever. The spirit of God

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01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 3: told me to get on Sunday and it was just

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Speaker 3: one family member. Then two of my other fems have

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Speaker 3: a lot of elderly family family members are still alive,

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Speaker 3: and he said, share your story, tell them about your books.

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Speaker 3: Long story short. One of my cousins who is a

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Speaker 3: minister a pastor at a church in Colleen, Texas, when

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Speaker 3: I told my story, she said, God is so strategic

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Speaker 3: and do you know this is a topic that's being

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Speaker 3: discussed in our church right now with a lot of

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Speaker 3: the mothers and grandmothers who don't know what to do

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Speaker 3: because a lot of their children are indulging in the

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Speaker 3: lifestyle and they feel like they have no hope. M

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Speaker 3: I said, well, God to him to share it. She

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Speaker 3: called me today and said, I need four sets of

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Speaker 3: your book Not Born, because I'm want to buy them

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Speaker 3: gift to them to show them that there is I

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Speaker 3: said that if you need me to come in text us,

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Speaker 3: I'll come and speak or even on the pread line.

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Speaker 3: She said. She said, You're going to get a lot

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Speaker 3: more orders through me because it needs to be told. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you. I was not expecting to have

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Speaker 2: the conversation I had with you today. So I am

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Speaker 2: pretty sure that everyone is going to reach out and

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Speaker 2: they are going to want to support you. My guests

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Speaker 2: know that Sharon is Karen. We all about supporting entrepreneurs.

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Speaker 2: So it has been an honor to have you on

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Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure we are going to be keeping

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Speaker 2: in contact. And however I can support you. I am

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Speaker 2: only a phone call away. Now you have my number two, So.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, thank you. Yes.

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Speaker 2: And to the listeners, if you have any questions, comments

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01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: and concerns, please make sure to email me at Hello

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Speaker 2: at the PSG podcast dot com. Share this story because

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Speaker 2: you never know how this storyline can be someone else's

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Speaker 2: lifeline and until next time, everyone later. The Professional Homegirl

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