WEBVTT - And Just Like That... Toxic Positivity (Patreon Preview)

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't Carrie in the writer's room Chase show be careful, Rose, careful?

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<v Speaker 2>You absolutely good?

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<v Speaker 1>She's sheen?

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<v Speaker 2>Im me, no, me not name? What is your childhood?

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<v Speaker 2>I am a school You going down the floor like around,

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<v Speaker 2>and just like that, it's another Paywald episode of like

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<v Speaker 2>a virgin Rose. Here we are and here you are yawning.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe are you going to introduce yourself? My name is

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<v Speaker 2>fran Torado. Woke moment, I'm woke moment, Rose. Where do

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<v Speaker 2>we start?

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<v Speaker 1>So? Producer Phoebe really wanted us to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>strap on that Miranda wears, and and just like so, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess I do think I think that's a good place

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<v Speaker 2>for us to start. So wait, I actually forgot what

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Please tell me it's not the right one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, it's like a full body harness. Harness, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like not that's not common. I've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>it was crazy, it's same together. She was wearing like

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<v Speaker 1>a harness that like a gay guy would wear a

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<v Speaker 1>horse meat dishes and then then also attached to a

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<v Speaker 1>harness that you know she wanted to fuck ch Dias with.

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<v Speaker 2>It's It's okay. This actually is so emblematic of like

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<v Speaker 2>the ethical and emotional crisis of trying to drop critique

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<v Speaker 2>on this show, because at one point I actually have

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<v Speaker 2>empathy for the prop designer, and it's like, we need

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<v Speaker 2>this to be funny, and so let me try and

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<v Speaker 2>find the funny looking strap that I can get and

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<v Speaker 2>like this like horse meat disco full body situation that

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<v Speaker 2>looks tacky as fuck. Sorry, is probably gonna be really

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<v Speaker 2>funny for Cynthia Nixon to play with, but we as

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<v Speaker 2>a community are like, what the fuck is that strap?

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<v Speaker 2>But also, honestly, Jadas has such bad taste that they

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<v Speaker 2>would have that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it does put me in mind of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the The Cut profile on Sarahmirez, in which

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<v Speaker 1>there was some line about like, can't they just portray

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<v Speaker 1>queer people who aren't lame? I haven't read that. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>I really need to. Like it's so trolley, it's great, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like troll journalism, so I might have nuanced

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week we'll see, Okay, I can't hear those, so okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And just like that. The first two episodes dropped on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally top line, the headline of it is that I

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<v Speaker 1>thought they were better than the first season. I at

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<v Speaker 1>least felt like the show was more fun than a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of last season. I mean, yeah, you know, a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of sex back in the.

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<v Speaker 1>City, and I think they wanted to shove that right

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<v Speaker 1>in our faces with at the very beginning, it was

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<v Speaker 1>all having sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was bad. It was a bad opening sequence. Can

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<v Speaker 2>we say that I didn't think it was bad. You

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<v Speaker 2>thought that the opening sequence of like what nine different

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<v Speaker 2>like women only three of which we care about, are

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<v Speaker 2>having sex while Elton John's remix with Brittany of Hold

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<v Speaker 2>Me Closer, Tiny Dancer was playing the entire time, you

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was good television.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think. I didn't say it was good. I

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<v Speaker 1>said I didn't think it was bad. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was funny, like and of course there are things I

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<v Speaker 1>would change. I mean, and that's the thing is like,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying, I'm trying to lead with positivity. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what I'm saying. You won't let me. Okay, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>I went into and this is this is the thing

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<v Speaker 1>with and just like that, it's like, yes, the baseline is,

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<v Speaker 1>we know it's bad. It's wrong, it shouldn't be happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I will watch every single episode in existence until I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't yees so, and I would watch it if it

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<v Speaker 1>was on like a twenty four hour stream every day,

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<v Speaker 1>I would watch it. But that but with it, with

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<v Speaker 1>it being like a bad shoe. I thought that these

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<v Speaker 1>two episodes were at least a lot more fun than

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the grieving widow stuff from last year.

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<v Speaker 1>The characters felt slightly more like the characters we knew

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<v Speaker 1>and loved. I thought the newer characters were better balanced

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<v Speaker 1>and that their storylines were I think, better woven into

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I still don't want them there, but this,

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<v Speaker 1>if we have to have them, I'm a little more

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<v Speaker 1>okay with how they're being portrayed. All that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not laugh out loud once. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>a single look that anyone wore except for Carrie with

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<v Speaker 1>the pigeon purse.

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<v Speaker 2>The pigeon and the J. W Anderson pigeon purse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I am so mad about the real Deal storyline,

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, basically I like everything and honestly basically everything

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<v Speaker 1>having to do with Charlotte. I think Charlotte is suffering

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<v Speaker 1>the most out of anyone on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gathering my thoughts on this in real time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to echo and affirm my colleague and say,

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<v Speaker 2>rose domiue, yes, you're right. The baseline is that it's bad,

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually do think it is bad good now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of the first season felt kind

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<v Speaker 2>of bad bad with a lot of bad good. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like the latter half of the show is like harder

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<v Speaker 2>to watch. I laughed out loud many times. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>thought there were a lot of things that happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the first two episodes and mind you, we know this

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<v Speaker 2>this week. Yeah, we've only seen two episodes of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought there were a lot of things where I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, this is pretty slapstick. I'm having a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun. I did feel, like you said, like they

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<v Speaker 2>were leaning into the sex and leaning into like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>how can we really have fun and put this like

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<v Speaker 2>widow stuff on pause? Chay and Miranda. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad that we're seeing that their relationship is dysfunctional. We

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<v Speaker 2>do not need another episode about Chay. Chaye needs to

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<v Speaker 2>go now. Like That's how I feel. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's run its course and we just need one other big,

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<v Speaker 2>horrible thing for them to do, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also okay, I hear you, and believe me, no

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<v Speaker 1>one wants chag On more than I do. That being said,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where I come back to my original point.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to have Chay, I at least feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing somewhat interesting stuff with them, like the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>about the costume fitting and their body image and like

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<v Speaker 1>not being like the right kind of non binary, and

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff with Tony Danza as being their dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I just don't. I don't think it's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's good storytelling out all, but I do like

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<v Speaker 2>Chay as a ridiculous figure. But I'm sorry I to

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with you. But I also don't think sophoebe saying

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<v Speaker 2>in the chat was like Chay crying about the body

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<v Speaker 2>image even real I thought it was fake, did you do?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a manipulation tactic.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think the show is like layered or

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<v Speaker 1>smart enough to have that to be subterfuged, like everything

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<v Speaker 1>is what you're seeing is what you're getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's disappointing because for me, I feel like Miranda,

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<v Speaker 2>same as last season, is still suffering the most from

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<v Speaker 2>the writing of the show. I do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>see Miranda as this fresh out of the closet like

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<v Speaker 2>codependent queer baby, like it is like it is like

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<v Speaker 2>that is like that type of person, the person that

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<v Speaker 2>we see. Oh my god, Phoebe's referencing I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I also tragic, Like it's just not These are not

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<v Speaker 2>the qualities of a likable person or character, and Miranda

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<v Speaker 2>is an extremely likable character, an extremely likable person despite

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<v Speaker 2>the block.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to hear all of our thoughts about

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