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Speaker 1: Rather do the evaluation myself. You know, it would be

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Speaker 1: When can you starts the nice the car Doctor, where's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, under the water pump.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the Corvette LT one motor.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome aboard, Thanks for stopping by the garage today,

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Speaker 1: right away. Let's got to Don in Missouri. Ninety seven

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Speaker 1: suburban done. Welcome to the car doctor. How can I help?

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: I've got a ninety seven suburban. It's in really, really

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Speaker 4: good condition. The fuel pump went out on it and

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Speaker 4: I'm replacing the pump and I've done probably six or seven,

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Speaker 4: when I dropped the tank, there is a putty substance

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Speaker 4: And the only thing that I have found on any

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Speaker 4: it was soft, it wasn't hard, and it was just

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Speaker 1: Does it still happen from the factory, does it might

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Speaker 1: have Does it still have it still has a locking

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Speaker 4: that whole fuel pump assembly and everything in the tank. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would just think that that's something the factory did.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm second owner on it. That it's pressed you know,

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Speaker 4: I won't say pressed team because we do use it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I would. I would just you know, peel

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Speaker 4: It covered the It covered the whole area, even where

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I I that's a good idea because I

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate you being there.

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Speaker 1: How can I help?

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Speaker 5: Hey, doc, I have yeah, twenty ten THERV, but you

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Speaker 5: I looked it up. There's a recall for I think

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Speaker 1: Accord low tension oil rings.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the recall expired two or three months before I

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth reaching out to Honda. How many

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Speaker 5: We got one hundred five thousand on it?

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Speaker 1: the very least, could we split the cost of the repair.

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Speaker 1: I believe in your product enough that I bought one,

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Speaker 1: how is this? How is this your fault? Because I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is the V Tech. Yeah. And they

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: That would be a black Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome. July July twenty third. July twenty third, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tom get your information and we look forward to you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm running Andy and the car Doctor. Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. He drives that way.

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Speaker 3: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has car

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Speaker 1: Here's Ron. Hey, let's get over to Harvey and talk

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Speaker 1: to him. What's going on here? Four Mazda and some questions. Harvey.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the car Doctor, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 6: Thank you? Yes, yes, sir, thank you Gotta nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: Okay, ninety four or four ninety four, Okay, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm having few issues in the starting in the morning.

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Speaker 6: It will not maintain running. I'll have to start it

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Speaker 6: a couple of times. My friend has put in two

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Speaker 6: different fuel pumps in the tank, and he has changed

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Speaker 6: if I'm going sixty mile an out of the truck

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Speaker 6: it's bucking, like it's starving for fuel.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 6: And I was wondering if there's something between that filter

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there's a fuel pressure regulator here, but

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Speaker 1: you know, before we go there, has anybody just checked

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Speaker 6: Yes, he put that on there and tested it and

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Speaker 6: it held fuel pressure.

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Speaker 1: Okay, did he drive the vehicle with a fuel pressure

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Next step. You know, it's kind of like going to

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Speaker 1: I don't feel so good. You know, I get dizzy

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Speaker 1: to me. Now, Harvey, You're like, yeah, well I don't

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Well, that's true, I guess

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Speaker 1: We've got to hook a fuel pressure gauge back up

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Speaker 1: and listen, there's you know, it's it's I admire them

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Speaker 1: actually hooking up a fuel pressure gauge. I usually spend

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Speaker 1: But you know, I want to eliminate fuel pressure because

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Speaker 1: You know, where are we going?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: It starts hard cold, you said, does it start, Okay,

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Speaker 6: It's now, it starts. It will start with no hesitation.

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Speaker 6: But it was shut right back off.

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Speaker 1: So it's a start, stall, start and stall.

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Speaker 6: And sometimes I thought maybe it was a winter thing,

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, just to cover basics besides fuel pressure,

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Speaker 1: throttle plate nice and clean.

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Speaker 6: He's claimed that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's performed in idle speed. He's performed in an

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Speaker 6: No, he hasn't done that.

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Speaker 1: You know, disconnect. So so you know, we want to

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Speaker 1: What you did, let's and that's this is this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, this should this is the Ford motor.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna you're gonna start it, and it's gonna start

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Speaker 1: Let it come up to temperature, turn the air conditioning on,

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Speaker 6: It is speed.

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Speaker 1: It's a five speed, so then you don't have to

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's always think of a relearn for any situation

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Speaker 1: All right, you know, see if that helps. But if

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Speaker 1: and just yeah, fuel pressure was this when it did that?

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Speaker 6: Takes perfect Yeah, that makes perfect sense, dude, because that's

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Speaker 8: Right, to check the right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So hey, Harvey, can I send you to the races?

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Speaker 1: You got an interest in going to the Poconos July

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Speaker 1: twenty third, Yes, sir, all right, you stay on the line.

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Speaker 1: Let Tom get your information. July twenty third, the Pocono

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Speaker 6: Thank you for You're.

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Speaker 1: Very welcome, sir. Good luck in if you need more,

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Speaker 1: you know where to find me. I'm r on an

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Speaker 1: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero

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Speaker 9: So yeah, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Running of the Car Doctor. Next up, let's go to

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Speaker 1: BJ and Maine ninety five f one fifty. Hey BJ,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the card doctor. How can I help?

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Speaker 7: Well, thank you, you're welcome. Well, the truck is is

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Speaker 7: And I took it out on the road a couple

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Speaker 7: lost all its power, but it stayed running, and then

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Speaker 7: there was a popping noise under the hood several times,

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Speaker 7: and then after a few more seconds it would just

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Speaker 7: regain power and it ran good. And it did that.

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Speaker 7: I went on like a twenty five mile trip to

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Speaker 7: get some new gas and stuff, and it did that

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Speaker 7: like four or five times, even running the brand new gas.

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Speaker 7: It's got the two tanks and one tank was brand

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Speaker 7: new with brand new gas in it, the brand new pump,

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Speaker 7: and it even did it on that tank and that gas.

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Speaker 7: And I was wondering if you had.

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Speaker 1: Any ideas any check engine dishboard warning lights, anything here is.

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Speaker 7: Check engine light comes and goes, okay.

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Speaker 1: We have we pulled codes on it.

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Speaker 7: Yet, No, I don't have all.

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Speaker 1: Right, fair point, so's yeah, So I'm hesitant to tell

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Speaker 1: all right. But and you'll understand why I say it

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Speaker 1: like that. You know, there's a lot we could go

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Speaker 1: You know, you're running fresh fuel through it. You know,

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Speaker 1: you say it's got low mileage, low use. Obviously, fuel

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Speaker 1: quality sticks sits on my mind. You know, do we

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Speaker 1: have dirty injectors? Do we have injectors that are varnished up?

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Speaker 1: You know, because the truck sits so much, so obviously

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Speaker 1: and I think about that. So now I'm going to

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Speaker 1: I'm coming from. Okay, Number one, I would on the

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Speaker 1: one newer tank, one older tank of fuel.

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Speaker 7: Well, the fuel's fresh in both tanks, but one tank

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Speaker 7: that was on it, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, And from the so how old is that fuel?

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Speaker 1: Is it older than three months? Uh?

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Speaker 7: There was there was just a little bit of gas

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00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 7: left in the tank. I replaced both fuel pumps and

440
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 7: I drained out almost all of it in the older

441
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 7: of the old gas and like ten gallons afresh, So.

442
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: The oldest, the oldest amount of fuel in the vehicle.

443
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: How old is that fuel? Is it older than three months?

444
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 7: Yeah?

445
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 8: It is, all right, a little bit of that.

446
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 7: Isn't it?

447
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 1: Just just for just for the sake of conversation. Fuel

448
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: loses its pop after ninety days, actually loses it after

449
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: forty five days, they tell us. So you know, do

450
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: I think Do I think that's the cause? No, but

451
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: I want to mention it, all right. So so for

452
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: the sake of our conversation, maybe we want to run

453
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: our testing. We want to do it off of the

454
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: other tank where the fresh fuel is the stuff you

455
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 1: just got yep, all right, So a bottle of a

456
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: real strong fuel tank additive once or twice through the

457
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: engine because I assume it's still doing this problem. It's

458
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: still got this issue. Yeah, okay, So you know, the

459
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: best stuff on the market, and especially for something like this,

460
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: is going to be from Berryman Berryman Products dot com.

461
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: Do you do you have a local AutoZone by you?

462
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 7: Yeah?

463
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: All right, scurry down to your local AutoZone. See if

464
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: they've got some Berryman Berryman fuel system cleaner with hest.

465
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: Let's dump a bottle of that in, take the truck

466
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: for a ride. When you run that tank down low enough,

467
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: when the tank gets down halfway, dump the second bottle in.

468
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 1: Because now we're gonna up the dosage. All right, we're

469
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: gonna fin down the volume of fuel, and now we're

470
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna double the dose, so to speak, drive it a

471
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: little bit more. Does that have any change? If that

472
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 1: has no change, we got to go to the next step.

473
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: It would be great if we could scan this for codes.

474
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: So when you're down at your local AutoZone, let's pull codes.

475
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: You know they'll they'll pull codes on that if it's

476
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: an OBD two. Because ninety five is kind of that

477
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: odd year that may or may not have OBD two capability.

478
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: Let's assume that it does. We'll have good thoughts. If

479
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: you look under the dash to the left of the

480
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: I believe it would have been into the left of

481
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: the steering wheel, there'll be a trapezoid sixteen pin connector.

482
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: That's OBD two. That means they should be able to

483
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: get some codes out of it and give you a

484
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: better direction. So it's codes, it's fuel system cleaner from burriment.

485
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: And then the simple thing, And this is the thing

486
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you because I don't want

487
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: you to do this before you get scanned for codes.

488
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: All right, promise, all right? Is unplugged the mass airflow sensor.

489
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: What engine is in this? The five lider or the

490
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: six five liter? Unplugged the mass airflow sensor? Does the

491
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 1: truck run better? If the truck runs better, you're putting

492
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: the vehicle in FAMEM Failure Mode effects Management, something that

493
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: was particular to Fords of this generation. All right, Once

494
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: it goes into FOREMEM, it's gonna use calculated values under

495
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: calculated position points of engine operation and give it a

496
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: fixed it's gonna put it on. It's gonna put the

497
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: carburetor on choke. If you get what I'm saying. Obviously

498
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: there's no carburetor here. It's injected. It's going to give

499
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: you fixed points of fuel delivery and enrichment. All right.

500
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: If it runs better with the mass airflow disconnected, we're

501
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: down to it's either a bad mass airflow sensor, okay,

502
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: a problem with wiring, which I could walk you through.

503
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Pinpoint testing, but you need a digital voltometer and that's

504
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: a different conversation. Or and this is what I kind

505
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: of think is going on here, just from my gut shot,

506
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: because every time I hear something weird like this, it's

507
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: a critter. Is there a spider web inside the mass

508
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: airflow sensor? Car? Sitting car? Sits a lot right, you know,

509
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing where where spiders like to go? You know,

510
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: to them, it's a big, wide world. It's a whole

511
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: lot bigger than we see it. And they'll crawl up

512
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: in the most obscure, uptwose places and build a nest.

513
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: And you know it's take the mass airflow out and

514
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: you'll look in it and you won't see anything and

515
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: tap tap tap, tap tap, and that dead spider falls out.

516
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: You go, well, isn't that exciting? So that's why I say,

517
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, but I'd like to see, you know, that's

518
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: why I want it. I want to pull codes before

519
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: I disconnect the mass air because I'm just curious, by nature,

520
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: do I have any mass airflow faults? Do I have

521
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: a lean reported fault code? There?

522
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 4: Uh?

523
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, just what's what's going on? But that's that's

524
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: how I would approach this. I could take you deeper,

525
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: we could talk about fuel pressure, we could talk about

526
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: other sensor readings. But I think this is a basic approach. Yeah,

527
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: these are These are some of the basically.

528
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 7: I did check. It was forty key on engine off,

529
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 7: and it was thirty five with it just setting their

530
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 7: ID one.

531
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's that's where it's supposed to be.

532
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 7: Okay, and that just that OBD in in the engine

533
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 7: combat and in the right hand side, way up towards

534
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 7: the hinge, there's an OBI there's a connect to the

535
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 7: or is that an OBD one.

536
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: No, that's yes, that's OBD one. It's gray in color correct. Yeah, yeah,

537
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: that's ob D one. But still look under the desk

538
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: because some of the ninety five ninety five was this

539
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: odd bawl year. All right. It was like like mechanics

540
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: didn't have enough to drive them crazy. It was, you know,

541
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: it's sort of like having your relatives moving with you

542
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: when you didn't want them, all right, because they gave

543
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: us an OBD one connector, and sometimes they gave us

544
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: an OBD two connector, and there was no rhyme or reason,

545
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: and that the lemma goes on right through model year

546
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: ninety six and a half, and then somewhere around towards

547
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: the end of model six ninety year everything went OBD two,

548
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: and by ninety seven we all breathed a sigh of

549
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: relief when we were happy to have it. So right, Yeah,

550
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: if it's not there now, you know that should that

551
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: should give you enough to go on. But that's where

552
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: I would start with this. All right, Kittle, all right,

553
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, you're very welcome. You'd be well,

554
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: and if you need more, you know where to find me.

555
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: A five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

556
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: The card Doctor's coming back right after this. Hey, welcome

557
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: back running the car doctor? And where were going Tom? Eddon, Massachusetts?

558
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: Let's go to Eddon, Massachusetts. We're not going to edd Massachuset.

559
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: Let's go to Larry. And where are we going? Tom?

560
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: Take me wherever? Iowa to go?

561
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 8: See the rapids?

562
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 7: Iowa?

563
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: Oh hey, here we go Larry and Iowa. How are you? Larry?

564
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: What's going on?

565
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 8: Doing well? I got a two thousand Dodge Dakota Sport

566
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 8: pickup truck with a three point nine V six and

567
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 8: it started out occasionally when you started after it was

568
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 8: warmed up, and let's set for an hour or two.

569
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 8: Then it would miss or spit and you'd have to

570
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 8: crank out a little bit to get it going. And

571
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 8: then it became where it would do it quite a

572
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 8: few times in a row, and then pretty soon it

573
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 8: runs great, starts great quite a few times in a row.

574
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 8: So here's what I've had done. I had him checked

575
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 8: the fuel pump and a fuel regulator and the injectors,

576
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 8: and then another guy said, well, you've probably got a

577
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 8: leaky gasket or something and you're getting some water in

578
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 8: one silver. So I had him checked the coolant system

579
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 8: and they couldn't find any leaks. So I'm just driving it.

580
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So right now, how often does this happen every

581
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: time you start it?

582
00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 7: No?

583
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 8: No, no, it never did. Like a worst case, it

584
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 8: might do twice in a row and then go eight

585
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 8: or ten times and run fine, okay, start fine.

586
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: Has it set any Foult codes?

587
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: Is it?

588
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 8: What?

589
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: Has it set any Foult codes? Check engine light? Any

590
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: dash warning lights on?

591
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 8: Oh no, no, light's the call. I mean, everything works,

592
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 8: but those lights don't come on.

593
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: Okay. So to clarify this, every once in a while,

594
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: this vehicle will be hard to start.

595
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 8: Well, what it'll do, it'll miss or almost kick back.

596
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 8: I could have sounds like it's spitting almost and then

597
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 8: I'll crank on a little bit and then I have

598
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 8: to put it on the floor to make it run, you know,

599
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 8: and crank. And then a lot of times it was

600
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 8: acting like it was loaded up and you know, flooded.

601
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 8: Early on, it was doing that. I don't seem to

602
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 8: be doing that now. But so I thought it was

603
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 8: in the fuel, you know. So I had a guy,

604
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 8: a good outfit check it and they kept it for

605
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 8: a week and they couldn't even get it to repeat right.

606
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's part of it.

607
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 8: They couldn't find anything wrong with the fuel pump or

608
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 8: the fuel regulator, anything in a fuel system.

609
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: Of course they're checking out.

610
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 8: Guy suggest their guy suggested to me it could be

611
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 8: a censor somewhere, a crank cheft, position sensor or something.

612
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 7: I don't know.

613
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Well, they had camp they had camp sensor problems. They

614
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: had crank sensor problems. The problem is everybody's checking it

615
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: when it's healthy, and you know it's no good. It's

616
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: like going for a heart stress test.

617
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 8: And if if it failed to start one time, you

618
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 8: know it was giving me trouble. What would you check

619
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 8: at that point in time.

620
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: If I could replicate the problem? First thing, the first

621
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: thing i'd be watching on a scan tool is I'd

622
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: want to look at uh, you know, does it look

623
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: like something's missing. I don't know if I would, I

624
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't see that on a two thousand. But I'm you know, questioning,

625
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: do I have a misfire forming in any one particular cylinder?

626
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 1: Because this is higher mileage. This is higher mileage, right, Larry.

627
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's got like ninety seven thousand nine.

628
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: It wouldn't hurt to do a formal fuel system cleaning

629
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: to it because I'm sure there's carbon deposits. It wouldn't

630
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: hurt to look inside of a cylinder, pull a plug

631
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: and look for carbon deposits. That would be some good

632
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: preventative maintenance.

633
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 8: And that's it gets driven in quite a bit.

634
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's it's. Yeah, it's not going to hurt.

635
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: I'd take a fuel sample just to see what sort

636
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: of fuel's rolling through this thing. I don't know where

637
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: you're buying fuel, but you're out in Iowa, you know,

638
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: is it more ethanol than gasoline?

639
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 8: Even though I don't put anything.

640
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: Well, that's what they tell you at the pump. But

641
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: I've learned to test when i'm looking, when i'm looking

642
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: for a problem, I've learned to test and verify what's

643
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: actually going with So that's part of it too. And

644
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: then the other thing I would look at is if

645
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: I could catch that, that catch this in the act.

646
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: The one thing I would want to look at is

647
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: idle air control counts. And idyl air control motor is

648
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of like the front door of the house that

649
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: you open and close it to let air in and

650
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: lay let air out. It maintains idle speed around the

651
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: closed throttle plate. If the idle air control counts are

652
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: less than ten eight to ten and it's misfiring at idle,

653
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: I'd start to think about a leaking intake plenum gasket,

654
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: which was kind of common on these all right. The

655
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: intake manifold lower lower plenum gasket would leak and it

656
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: would cause an air in a place that you would

657
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: never see it or find it.

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00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 8: And you know, I had this thing worked on some

659
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 8: time ago. I had him put a water pump and

660
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 8: a fan clutch on it, and when I got it back,

661
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 8: it had a noise like an air noise, you know,

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00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 8: like something I thought I had a blower right right,

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 8: no whining right, and it's run signed for a year

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00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 8: or two since then. But uh, I don't know what

665
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 8: the guy did.

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00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, i'd start, I'd start, you know, I

667
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: would start by looking at fuel trims and verifying counts

668
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: and you know, the things like I'm discussing.

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00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 8: You know, listen, what kind of counts am I looking for?

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00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 8: Because I mean, so I got an outfit can do this, you.

671
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: Know, I idle air control counts on this vehicle typically

672
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: we're between the eight and ten mark, meaning it was

673
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: about ten percent off its seat and it was fluctuating

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00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: at a set at a set rate. So but that's

675
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: what you're looking for, you know, you want to.

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00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 8: Look at idle air control count between.

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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Eight and ten at idle on a good engine. Okay,

678
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: all right, And if it's now, if it's less than that,

679
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: if it's less than that, then we're thinking that it's

680
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: drawing air from somewhere else, and we're gonna start looking

681
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: for a vacuum leak and plantum gaskets. We're not completely uncommon,

682
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: real quick, Larry, last comment, your last comment? Okay, all right, kittle,

683
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: then let me pull over and take the pause because

684
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: I got callers after you. I appreciate it. And if

685
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: you need more, you know where to find me. Sir,

686
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: you'd be well. I'm running any in the Card Doctor.

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00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. Okay, we're back running

688
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: in the Card Doctor. Finally, Ed from Massachusetts. I've been

689
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: trying to talk to Ed for two weeks and we

690
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: keep getting something keeps getting in the way. So Ed,

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00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: how can I help you? Sir?

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00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Hello, ron Y, I apologize for the show a couple

693
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: of weeks ago.

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00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: That's okay, what's going on?

695
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: And I cannot get my five suburban?

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00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so you can't fill the tank? Correct? It just

697
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: keeps clicking off the pump. Any repair attempts to this, Yes.

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00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: I've got I live on a farm, so I've got

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00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: our own shop, and I've replaced the canster vent valve

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00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: and the valve that's on top of the motor.

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00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you disconnect the vent line and let's

702
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: for everybody's explanation here, let's let's let's take a soda

703
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: can and punch a hole in one side, right, and

704
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: if we try, if we tried to pour water in it.

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00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: It won't go right, It'll just it'll just spit back

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00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: and bubble back. And because there's no vent, we have

707
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: to release pressure out the other side. We have to

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00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: open up another hole on the other side of the can.

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00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: And then you know, as fluid comes in one side,

710
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: it pushes, it prevents pressure from building up inside the can,

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00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: and it comes out the vent. So you've got to

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00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: we think you've got a clogged vent somewhere, all right,

713
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: what if you try to if you disconnect the vent

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00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: line at the canister, all right, so that it's open

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00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: to the tank and go put fuel in it? Can

716
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: you put fuel in.

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00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: I haven't tried that. It's something I can try for surely.

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00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy enough. I mean, you know, just just

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00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: think of the soda can ed all right, you're just

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00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: trying to get this, you know, if you disconnect the vent,

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00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: if you can fill it with the vent disconnected, we've

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00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: got a clog somewhere. Now, keep in mind you live

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00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: on a farm. Second time this hour, I'm gonna mention

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00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: it spiders and spider webs, all right, Okay, do you

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00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: have a clear do you have a clear line going

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00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: to the vent? Valve. I've seen more than a few

727
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: bad vent valves. I see more than a few VID canisters,

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00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: and it's usually a spider web built up on the inside.

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00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: So try that and give us a call back and

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00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: we can talk about it some more. Till then I'm

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00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: Ronnin eating the car doctor, reminding each and every one

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00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: of you good mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless. See you