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Speaker 1: here with g. Moody, whose last name rhymes with duty.

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Speaker 1: the other day. Uh. The greatest quarterback ever is Mr

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Speaker 1: cannot root for the Philadelphia Eagles, right, I can't do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: What kind of ship is that? Man? That's Bullport. Yeah, Yo,

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Speaker 1: NFL need to step in, man, Yeah, they need to

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Speaker 1: arrested the other night. He Uh, I don't know, he's

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Speaker 1: probably drunk. He was arrested. I don't know what exactly

421
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Speaker 1: was I think he was drunk, probably high. Um. He

422
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Speaker 1: was blurgerent with the cops. At one point he told

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Speaker 1: the cop, I'll fuck your wife. Um. And and a

424
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Speaker 1: lot of fans were like saying, a lot of Jets

425
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: fans were saying they should cut Robby Anderson. I disagree. Oh,

426
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Speaker 1: any any wide receiver that gets arrested by the cops

427
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Speaker 1: and tells the cops I'll fuck your wife, they need

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Speaker 1: to resign him a s A P. That's the kind

429
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: of spunk the New York Jets need. That's the kind

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Speaker 1: of fire and aggressive attitude the New York Jets need.

431
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: And a wide receiver. No, I didn't think about it

432
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Speaker 1: like that. Give him a two year extension a s

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Speaker 1: A P. Based on that comment I'll fuck your wife.

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Speaker 1: He tells that to the police officer. Uh, yeah, that's

435
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Speaker 1: the guy I want on my fucking team. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got you, Mr Moody. I wanted to throw this

437
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: at you. This is going back to what we were

438
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: just talking about. Earlier because we're just free flowing here.

439
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Speaker 1: As I told you at the top of the show.

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Speaker 1: People later on, since the Oscars were just announced, we

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Speaker 1: have world renowned film critic Richard Roper on the Iron

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Speaker 1: Rapports Stereo podcast talking about all the films this year,

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Speaker 1: all the films last year, What films were good, what

444
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: films weren't good, What films you saw, what films you

445
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: didn't see, what you should see. With my man Richard Roper,

446
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: who also Michael Jordan's through all his years. He's a

447
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: he's a Chicago film critic. He was under Ciskel and Eber.

448
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: We talked about Ciskel and Eber. It's an all filmed

449
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: interview with Richard Roper, but we also talked about him

450
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Speaker 1: covering Michael Jordan's from his early years before he blew

451
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Speaker 1: up with the Chicago Bulls. But before we get to

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Speaker 1: my man Roper, the me goes the rap group they

453
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Speaker 1: were under fire and when I say under fire, it's

454
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: under Twitter. Twitter will go. Twitter will make anybody under fire.

455
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: They'll be like uh, megos rapper says queer in his rhyme,

456
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Speaker 1: and people seem not to like it. And then they'll

457
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Speaker 1: show tweets from like twelve fucking assholes being like you

458
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: said queer in your rhyme and la la la lah

459
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Speaker 1: blah and all these and then and Cardi b who's

460
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Speaker 1: like the bell of the ball. That's her fiance, this

461
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: guy offset from the group me Gooes. She came to

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Speaker 1: her husband, her fiance's defense and said, you know, you

463
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Speaker 1: know you're taking it out of context. You know, he

464
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Speaker 1: didn't say it the way you think you said. And

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Speaker 1: then people are like, Cardi, you should know better. Traditionally, historically,

466
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: queer is this, and queer is that. Well. Traditionally and historically,

467
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the word bitch is derogatory. Two. Traditionally and historically, the

468
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Speaker 1: N word is derogatory. Two. It's all good when women

469
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: are calling each other bitch, But when a black man

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Speaker 1: uses the term queer in a song and you take

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00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: it out of context and you immediately think he's homophobic

472
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: and he's talking about the LGBT community, it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: So it's a problem if me Goes uses the word queer,

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Speaker 1: But it's not a problem with feminist going funk, white

475
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: feminists and other women saying hey, bitch, I'm a boss bitch.

476
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: Situational ethics, situational ethics. These people want to like, you know,

477
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: they want to dance. They want to use all the

478
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Speaker 1: hip hop sling until it says something to them that

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Speaker 1: they don't like. Yeah, you know, you listen to hip hop,

480
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: you're not gonna hear the same ship that you may

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00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: hear in your social life with your friends. You listen

482
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: to hip hop, it's sexual, it's vulgar, it's violent, it's

483
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: hip hop. You don't like it, don't listen to it.

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00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Your little protests ain't gonna change what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the motherfucking hood. To quote ice Cube in the classic

486
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Speaker 1: film Boys in the Hood. You know no, you don't show. Hey,

487
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: you don't care about what's going on in the hood

488
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: unless it's something you deem against you. Then you want

489
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Speaker 1: to go on Twitter. And Twitter is not the end

490
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: all be all for your little fucking problems. Listen to

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Speaker 1: cool de raps talk like sex. Matter of fact, miles

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Speaker 1: to cool g raps talk like sex. I'll do a

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Speaker 1: temper job that takes all my take like a human

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Speaker 1: siske Bob, only my king for manute. No matter how

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Speaker 1: m Joker was want to be with it. You ain't

496
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Speaker 1: ready for the best. You still gotta put you like

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Speaker 1: out of the case's head, come back and from pars

498
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Speaker 1: when you grow from heads and when you start to

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Speaker 1: drinking bess, I'm hitting hogs by a doesn't making your

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Speaker 1: weather because I funk better than your husband. Giving your

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Speaker 1: girl back fasom because g rap has them are chasm

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Speaker 1: after all gas change to see she must be kidding.

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Speaker 1: You gotta change the whole box spring. I ain't bullshitting.

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00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: You can't hear with hit stereo because I'm gonna very

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Speaker 1: a big one aside to provad area, all hell is

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Speaker 1: being a chush but cool gi Rapus pushes inside. Of course,

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Speaker 1: another home girl flinches, But I got anentwes for all

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Speaker 1: your little witches. The letter G is better when it

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00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: comes to abotter acts and I'm a cop like sex.

510
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: This is arguably one of the greatest rappers of all time.

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00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: That music right there is vulgar. You don't like it,

512
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: You're not about that hip hop ship. Listen to woul Tang.

513
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: You don't like it, don't listen to it. Listen to

514
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Snoop Dog Snoop you you love Snoop Dog. You don't

515
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: like it, don't listen to it listen to easy too short.

516
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: Not everything is gonna be that nursery rhyme, cocoa buttership.

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00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: Hip hop has all lanes you can you can get

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Speaker 1: a chance to wrap. It is a lane for you

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00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: to get into. Uh, just don't listen to this ship

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00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: you don't like And queer does it mean that what

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00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: I heard what he said in the context queer in

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00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: the context he he was doing saying it's like some

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00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: corny dude and noting to do with his sexuality. It's

524
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: a corny dude. Words have different meanings of different people. Obviously, bitch,

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00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: based on the way the women are using it, is

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00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: now a term of endearment. What else you got, Moody,

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00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: We have a heat wave here in New York. What's

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00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: the weather? Uh? Forty five and uh it's good, It's

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00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: fucking good. I gotta say. Degrees is great. Huh yeah,

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00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: compared to five even six, it's a heat wave. All right, Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to Richard Roper. Okay, I just want

532
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: to say this. Okay, Richard Roper, film critic extraordinaire world

533
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: or Now knows every single thing you could possibly know,

534
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: pretty much about every single movie we're breaking down the

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00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: movie from this year. The Oscar nominations just came out.

536
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Talking about all of it, I want to tell all

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00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: the wrapper pack, all the Day one listeners of the

538
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Iron Rapports Stereo podcats Me and Moody just went for

539
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: thirty five motherfucking minutes again. I've hurt my throat, I've

540
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: hurt my Larry Nix. I don't want to hear you

541
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: a little fucking two cents on Twitter if you're not

542
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: listening to all the episodes, because every episode has that flame,

543
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: has that fire. The Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast coming right up,

544
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: my man, Richard Roper, stay tuned all right, Iron Rapports

545
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: Stereo Podcast. I'm excited to talk to this guy. Richard Roper,

546
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: film critic, extraordina there, just a general writer. I didn't

547
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: know this. You covered Michael Jordan's during his career during

548
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: uh the heyday of the Bulls when he first got

549
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: there with the Chicago Sun Times and just a film critic.

550
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Good guy, I met you, actually remember we met um

551
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: we were doing the the uh that other show that's

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00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: small show, uh, the Howard Stern wrap up Show, the

553
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Gift Wrapping Show, The Gift show. Um, well, I appreciate

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00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: you coming on the podcast, Richard. I'm a fan. I've

555
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: always respected you. Um, I love your insight in the movies,

556
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just everything that you write about

557
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: bought my pleasure to be on. Michael, I listened to

558
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: the podcast all the time. I gotta tell you a

559
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: quick story right up to bat because people ask me

560
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: a lot, Michael, like, Okay, you see, you know three

561
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: D movies a year. Do you ever watch movies just

562
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: for fun? Do you watch TV shows? And here's what

563
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: I do. Every once in a while if I want

564
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: to chill late at night, I call up a movie

565
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: from before I was officially a film critic. Okay, when

566
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Speaker 1: I when I just was growing up and coming up

567
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: in the business and loving movies, and it reminds me

568
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: of my love for movies. And about two weeks ago

569
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I called up I know, I downloaded whatever you want

570
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: to call it these days. I summoned from the magical

571
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: ether True Romance, watched it all the way through again.

572
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: How great is that movie? And how proud of you

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Speaker 1: are you of being a part of that movie. I mean,

574
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: it's I'm as proud of it as as the fans

575
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: love it. You know. Um, that's probably the single most

576
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: uh talked about movie that I've done collectively, just because

577
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: it's sort of the gift that keeps on giving, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's I think it's the only film that I

579
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: knew while I was making that I was pretty No,

580
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: I knew. I'm not saying pretty like I knew. I

581
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: think we all knew it was something special because of

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Speaker 1: the cast, because of the Quentin Tarantino momentum that was

583
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: building around here him, uh, the Tony Scott of it all,

584
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: and you know, from the biggest stars in it, to

585
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: the Christian Slaters and Val Kilmer and Gary Oldman to

586
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: James Gandelfinie's first film to this brewing you know, budding

587
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: mega star which he wasn't there, but you just knew

588
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt was gonna be like, you know, super super big. Um.

589
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I would go to the set just to go to

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00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: the set, just to hang around. Like I was there

591
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: when uh the late great Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walking

592
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: shot that scene in the trailer, Like I just showed

593
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: up on set. I was there the day that uh

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Speaker 1: James Gandelfinie had the you know, the fight scene with

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Speaker 1: Patric Charquette. Um, and it was just it was a

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Speaker 1: fun time. I mean critically, Uh, you know, like that

597
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: that film, you know it was it wasn't a big success.

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00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean it got, you know, praise, but it didn't

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Speaker 1: make a lot of money. It wasn't like you know,

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Speaker 1: the smash it that I thought it. Uh, it was it.

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00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: Everybody that has ever seen that movie, you know, loves

602
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: something about it. And and uh it was a special time.

603
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: It was the best time for me. I was young,

604
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: so it was fun. You know what I mean, what

605
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: year did you start becoming a professional film critic. Well,

606
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the story. So I started. I grew

607
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: up here in the Chicago area. That's where I'm at

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00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: today and I'm talking to you. So I grew up,

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00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, reading the Chicago Sun Times in the Chicago Tribune,

610
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Speaker 1: which were the newspapers of Cisco and Aber. You know.

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Speaker 1: I mean as a kid all the way through high school,

612
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, I always wanted to do something either in

613
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: radio or writing, and you know, to write for my

614
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: home newspaper. I'm from more like the south suburb south

615
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Speaker 1: side of Chicago. The Suntimes was the working class paper.

616
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: The Tribune was considered the downtown North Shore, you know,

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Speaker 1: more upper crust newspaper. So I never really thought about

618
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Speaker 1: the Tribune because my dad would bring home the sun

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Speaker 1: My dad worked for the only Central Railroad. He'd bring

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Speaker 1: the Sun Times home every day, you know. So when

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Speaker 1: I got hired almost straight out of school at the

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Speaker 1: Sun Times, and I did the old fashioned thing, Michael,

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Speaker 1: I worked my way up, you know, sorting the mail,

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Speaker 1: working the know, bringing stuff down to the press room

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Speaker 1: like the old fashioned printing presses, eventually getting my foot

626
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Speaker 1: in the door as a reporter covering crime in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: But I eventually eventually made my way over. I always

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Speaker 1: was more interested. I want. I didn't want to do

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Speaker 1: a whole career, Honestly, man, I don't know how these

630
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Speaker 1: reporters do it here in Chicago and anywhere else where.

631
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Speaker 1: They can cover the crime and then the hard news

632
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Speaker 1: day in the day out you got. I mean, it's

633
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: just it would you know, just be so tough for me.

634
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: I go to cover a cops funeral or a fire

635
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: and fighter's funeral, and you you know, so you then

636
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Speaker 1: have to go write a story about it. But it's experience.

637
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm forever grateful for it because it repares you for

638
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: everything in life. But eventually worked my way over to

639
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: the entertainment side. And of course, you know, Roger Ebert

640
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: was the film critic of the Chicago sometimes starting in

641
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six when he got out of the University

642
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: of Illinois, so he was this legend of course by

643
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Speaker 1: the time I started. But he liked my writing, Michael.

644
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: He always liked when I would write just a column

645
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: about entertainment, about movies so everyone's in a great, great while.

646
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: If he couldn't get to a movie, he'd say, how

647
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: about if the kid reviews it, Roper can do this.

648
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: So that's how I got my foot in the door

649
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: was actually from Roger or if he had to go

650
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: to the you know, he'd go to the can Film

651
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Festival or something like that, so he'd be out of

652
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: the country for ten days and they'd say, yeah, but geez,

653
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, god Zilla's opening or something.

654
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: Let rope let rope write the review. So that's how

655
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: that started with me actually doing movie reviews, kind of

656
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: under Roger's tutelage and being the guy off the bench

657
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: when he couldn't do a movie. Got you that's cool, man.

658
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: I mean Roger Ebert and you know, film criticism or

659
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: whatever the word is that you know, it doesn't have

660
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: to be you know, critiquing or you know, there's such

661
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: a sort of stigma on it. But you know, obviously

662
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: Siskel and Ebert, and there's a handful of very respected

663
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: film critics, you know, like sixties and the seventies and

664
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Speaker 1: the eighties and even into the nineties. Um, you know

665
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Speaker 1: where it was sort of you know, you listened and

666
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: the filmmakers were interested in to hear from at least

667
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: a handful of people's opinion. Yeah, you know, Michael, until

668
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: really until um the sixties and the version of the

669
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: writers like Pauline cal was a great great film critic.

670
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: Film criticism was wasn't taken seriously like they would actually

671
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: have like the New York Times, they would give like

672
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: a pseudonym to the film critic, make ten A like

673
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: Matt Teney like. But then it got because of the

674
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Speaker 1: great films of the sixties when we started getting in

675
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, not that the movies in the past weren't great,

676
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: but you know, there are a lot of mainstream entertainment.

677
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden we had movies like Bonnie

678
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: and Cline two thousand one, Easy Writer. It was there

679
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: was a revolution happening in the film industry and the

680
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: film criticism, uh kind of reflected that. And you you

681
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned, of course, the great Dennis Hopper. I got

682
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: a story for you involving two of his long time

683
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: running mates that Roger told me so. In the early seventies,

684
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: System Ebert started doing the TV show talking about movies

685
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: right started off on local PBS, eventually went nationwide and

686
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: on Sunday night in Los Angeles, Jack Nicholson called up

687
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: Harry Dean Stanton and said, turn on the TV. There's

688
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: two guys who look like us talking about movies. That's

689
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: funny because you know, if if you ever had a

690
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: film critic, could be kind of just a polished guy

691
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: saying you must go see the latest film from John Wayne.

692
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden you had this heavy, heavy

693
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Speaker 1: guy and this bald guy yelling at each about movies.

694
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: And and you know, even the even Hollywood said like,

695
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: this is great. We've never had anything like this before.

696
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: And Cisco and Ebert sort of was the first debate show.

697
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: Now you see debate shows obviously all on sports and politics,

698
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: and I mean the Internet. I mean there's you know,

699
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: there's so many different places where this form, but like

700
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: that was sort of the template for that. You know,

701
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: good guy, bad guy Felix and Oscar uh Yin and

702
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Yang and the the whole thumbs up thing. You know

703
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: that you see now Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon and

704
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: on ESPN, Cisco and Ebert sort of started that correct. Yeah,

705
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: And you know what, I give those guys credit. Wilbon's

706
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Speaker 1: the Chicago guy himself, and they've they've often said that

707
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Speaker 1: that's where they got that from, that they got p

708
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Speaker 1: G I straight out of the Cisco and a play book.

709
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: I always did it when people give credit, were credits

710
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: doing there's nothing wrong with saying that's where we got

711
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: that idea. And you know the great thing, Michael, for me,

712
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: I was really good friends with Jeane Cisco before I

713
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Speaker 1: passed away. I move him for a long time, probably

714
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: knew him a little bit better than Roger, But then

715
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: working with Roger for nearly a decade, I got to

716
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: become like almost the unofficial historian because he would just

717
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: tell stories. He was he wasn't a name drop for

718
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: his life was just like that. You know. So he

719
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: told me all these great stories that the first time

720
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Speaker 1: Cisco Neber taped the show it took him eleven hours

721
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't stop arguing. They just kept going. And

722
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: then finally, you know, the creator of the show woman

723
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Speaker 1: by the name of Theo Flaum in Chicago, She's like, you, guys,

724
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Speaker 1: we we can't do eleven hours. I got I'm gonna

725
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Speaker 1: be editing this until next month and it's got an

726
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Speaker 1: air in a couple of days. But they would just

727
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: go at it, just like you saw on TV. What

728
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: you saw was what you got. They were the same

729
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: exact way off screen. If they were gonna go out

730
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Speaker 1: and get pizza in Chicago, there was gonna be a

731
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: twenty minute argument about where they should go. Um. So,

732
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: so movies. Your opinion on movies? Where do you think

733
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Speaker 1: the movie business in terms of the creativity, the diversity.

734
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about a racially, I'm talking about

735
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked about this all the time. I

736
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: can't stand these fucking sci fi movies. I can't. I

737
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: could give a shit about fucking Superman, Batman and all

738
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: this stuff. Where do you see, you know, from understanding

739
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, film and film of different decades. Where do

740
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: you see the movie business in two thousand and eighteen

741
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: in terms of the diversity of the kind of movies

742
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: and the greatness of movies? Because for me and I

743
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: want to get into specifics of you know, this last year,

744
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, there's some good movies, but you know, in

745
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: terms of these groundbreaking movies or these movies like a

746
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: Good Fellas or a Boogie Nights or you know, these

747
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: movies that are gonna last the test of time, this year,

748
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: I don't see any of them, So, you know, not

749
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: in the specifics. What do you think of the movie

750
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: business as a whole right now? Yeah, well that's you know,

751
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: you you made a lot of great points there, and

752
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot to kind of dig into. Michael, First

753
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: of all, I agree with you about the superhero movies.

754
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: Look there, you know, they're fantastically done. And if you

755
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: want to talk about something like the Christopher Nolan Dark

756
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: Knight trilogy movies like that, they're beautifully done. I thought

757
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: the first Iron Man was groundbreaking, but yeah, you know,

758
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: the origin stories. Now, to me, it's it's Hollywood as

759
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: it's at its laziest. How many times are we gonna

760
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: see Peter Parker bitten by a spider in high school. Man,

761
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: I've seen three versions of that in the last decade

762
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: and a half, Michael, three major reboots of the Spider

763
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: Man franchise. It's the same story. It's lazy, and they

764
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: put a ton of money into it. They know it's

765
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: gonna make money because internationally, you know, the audiences in China,

766
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: the audiences in Australia, no matter what, they can relate

767
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: to or not relate, but they can dig a guy

768
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: flying through the sky. Right. But as far as I'm concerned,

769
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: when I hear that, they're you know, they're now gonna

770
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: look at how are we gonna go go back to

771
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Thor's parentage? I don't care. And I know when I

772
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 1: see these movies, I know they're gonna be really well done.

773
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: And I know half the time the actors are gonna

774
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: be acting against a green screen or sitting there at

775
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: and craft services while the stunt people do the heavy

776
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: lifting as opposed to the movies you're talking about. That's

777
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: one of the theories I have why Liam Neeson and

778
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: Denzel Washington are the best action heroes of our time,

779
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: because they actually at least play real characters in real movies,

780
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: even though they're in their sixties. So even if it's

781
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: something like the Take in movies, these guys play real

782
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: characters who if you mess with them, they can take

783
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: out a cigarette lighter in a ballpoint pen and take

784
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: your hat off. In the meantime, the younger actors are

785
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: offending all day at the gym. I don't know why

786
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: superheroes need perfect packs, but they have to have it

787
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: so they But all the younger actors, and some of

788
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: them are really good. They're too busy putting on capes

789
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: and tights and you know, you kid, tell me Chris

790
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: Stavans did a movie last year. Chris Evans was Mr.

791
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: Who's a Captain America right, And he did a little

792
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: movie last year called Gifted where he plays the you know,

793
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: working class uncle of a girl who happens to be

794
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: off the charge genius. And that was a better piece

795
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: of acting in the first five minutes than he's had

796
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: to do as Captain America inten films. And he'll he

797
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: might not say that on a talk show circuit, but

798
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: I guarantee you he dug doing Gifted a lot more

799
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: than he dug you know, playing Captain American, and I

800
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: certainly enjoyed watching Gifted more than Captain America. Now, you know,

801
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: as far as where the movies are, that's what we're

802
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna get. Almost every weekend, you're gonna get one or

803
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: two big mainstream movies. And then what I think makes

804
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: my job more important as a movie critic than ever

805
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: before is I go through all the movies that are

806
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: coming on on demand, that are coming out in limited release,

807
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: and there's about a dozen a week, and I try

808
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: to find one or two really good films. And then

809
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: the other thing. Of course, as you very well know,

810
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: some of the best movie making is being done on

811
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: television just because it's on Netflix or Amazon. You know,

812
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: every single episode of Game of Thrones is a movie.

813
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: A movie. It's an hour and ten minute film, so

814
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's where you're seeing. Obviously going back to Sopranos,

815
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,479
Speaker 1: speaking of James Gandel's Men, but really I think kicking

816
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: off with The Breaking Bads of the World, where right

817
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: now there's probably fifteen or twenty TV series that every

818
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: single episode is better than the movies out there. So

819
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: you'd say that you get ten to twelve movies a

820
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: week throughout the year. Every single week, my my editor

821
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: at the Sun Times in Chicago, I still right for

822
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: the Sun Times. In addition to doing you know, TV

823
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: and radio and all that stuff every single week, we

824
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: were were obviously working a couple of weeks in advance.

825
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: So like this week, he'll say, all right, here are

826
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: the movies for January coming out that Friday, and we'll know,

827
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: we'll know the big movies. And then you know, and

828
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, we hear obviously studios publicists, we look for stuff,

829
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: and then he'll send me a description such and such,

830
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, as you know, to it'll

831
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: it's not some unknown cast. You know, it's big name X.

832
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: And it will be you know, uh, heist movie set

833
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh in the early seventies starring blah blah blah,

834
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: or you know the Saturday Night live writing team of

835
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah do a romantic comedy. You know,

836
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: these are all movies that are obviously made for less money.

837
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: But I then, and that's part of the people don't it.

838
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: And I don't care because people say, oh, you just

839
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: watch movies all day. I then have to sit through

840
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: those because the only way they decide if you're going

841
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: to review them or not is to watch them, right.

842
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna watch I'm gonna watch Nicholas k

843
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Movie tonight. Um. And my my philosophy is if I

844
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: see a couple of small movies, if I don't like something,

845
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: why am I gonna bring it up just so I

846
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: can dump on it? You know, I'm gonna more likely

847
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: try to champion the small film that I hope people

848
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: check out on demand or you know, however they get

849
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: their movies these days, because like I said, a lot

850
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: of them they might not be playing if you're not

851
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: in Chicago, New York or Los Angeles at a theater,

852
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: but they are available on your queue. I can call

853
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: up you're on demand que or if you look at

854
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: your iTunes, Selections or Amazon or whatever the case may be.

855
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: So if you spend the time to watch a movie,

856
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: like I think that's nice and compassionate, because you know,

857
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: people don't understand how hard it is to to actually

858
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: make a movie, you know, to raise the money, whether

859
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: it's a million dollars, five thousand dollars, three million dollars.

860
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: But if you watch more these smaller movies, and it's

861
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: trash and essentially not worth reviewing. You'll just watch it

862
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: to yourself and you won't mention even though you spend

863
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: the time watching it. I usually won't. And you know,

864
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: part of that's just, you know, how much space is

865
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: available online or on a website, are certainly in a

866
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: printed newspaper. But it's for the exact reasons you say.

867
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: It's like, why am I gonna say, hey, guys, I've

868
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: got to consider a mainstream audience. I'm like gonna say, hey,

869
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: you guys, here's a movie you never heard of, made

870
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: by a filmmaker who spent six years of her life,

871
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, max and out of credit cards and borrowing

872
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: money and and they finally got the movie made and

873
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: it's a piece of crap. What's what's the point of that?

874
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing that you mentioned too,

875
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: I do, and I hear from a lot of people

876
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: off the record after I review movies, and you know, sometimes, yeah,

877
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: I hear from a human being. I feel bad when

878
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: a director or an actor reaches out to me and says, man,

879
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm a fan. I'd always liked your

880
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: work and you dumped down my movie and I always,

881
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: I always tell them, Michael, though, you know, my primary

882
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: responsibility is to the movie goer. I'm reviewing the movies

883
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: primarily for the guy or the woman that's out there

884
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: busting their asses all week. Now they're going to go

885
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: to the theater. It's gonna cost some twelve bucks, maybe

886
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: maybe more, just to get in the door, let alone

887
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: snacks and babysitter and all that. But that being said,

888
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm very careful not to just single out especially and

889
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: you know how this business work. I'm very careful about

890
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: singling out the screenwriter of a film unless I love

891
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: the script, because a lot of times, if you say

892
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: the screenplay sucks, well, the person whose name is on

893
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: that screenplay might have got rewritten twelve times, might have

894
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: gotten their script screwed. So I've heard from some screenwriters

895
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: whose names are on the movies who have said to me,

896
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad you hated that movie because I hated what

897
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: they did with my screenplay. So I try not to.

898
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: You know, if some if the makeup is great, I'll

899
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: say that, I'll say the makeup artist's name. If the

900
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: makeup looks bad, I'll just say the makeup looks bad.

901
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna say what the name, because who

902
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: knows if the lighting screwed it up for something else.

903
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: So I try to be really respectful of everybody involved

904
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: in the process that how many movies can you honestly

905
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: watch without like checking out? Especially because I know, for me,

906
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: me personally, my attention since I've gotten addicted to my

907
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: phone and it's fucking pathetic. My attention is down the

908
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: down the tubes. So like, how many movies can you

909
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: Let's say you get ten movies in the week and

910
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 1: you go through all of them and and I mean, like,

911
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: you know, six of them are good, four of them

912
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: are Like are you able to still, you know, maintain

913
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: your attention and your focus on the film? And when

914
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: you're reviewing a film, like do you have notes? Like

915
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: how do you what's your process of watching a film

916
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: that you know, because even if you're not going to

917
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: review it, when you're watching it, you're you're monitoring if

918
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna review it, Like what's your film viewing process

919
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: for work stuff? Not like re screening romance. Okay, well,

920
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the beginning and the first of all, Yeah,

921
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, one of the reasons I don't go to

922
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: a lot of film festivals. And I used to go

923
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: to things like Sundance in Toronto is because and you

924
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: see all the and look some of the people that

925
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: are covering it. Most of people there are not film critics.

926
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: They're covering it either as entertainment writers or they're covering

927
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: the business. And I get all that, but for a

928
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: film critics start your day watching a movie at eight am,

929
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: and to be slogging through Sundance through one, you know,

930
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: through the show and all that crap, and and sometimes

931
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: not in the greatest theaters. And these these film festivals,

932
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, they they'll set up the screen room in

933
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: the Park City Library or whatever. Well, by the time

934
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: you get to eight o'clock at night and you're watching

935
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 1: your sixth movie and you're wiped out and you haven't

936
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: had anything to eat all, you're not given that movie

937
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: a fair shake. So my feeling is about three spread

938
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: out across the day. See something at ten am, see

939
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: something maybe at two pm, maybe seven, maybe a fourth

940
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: movie at night. Now in Chicago, there's you know, there's

941
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: obviously commercial theaters where I see movies. There's a private

942
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: screening room that dates all the way back to this

943
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: is going either days it's literally been walking distance in

944
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: my place. It's just on the you know, seventeen floor

945
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: of a nondescript building, and there's you know, it's a

946
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: it's a private screen room. So it's great because I

947
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: can schedule screenings there, don't have to sit through all

948
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: the trailers and commercials. That helps. So that's my feeling

949
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: is like, you know, I've had a few times with

950
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: some of these smaller films. Honestly, if I start watching

951
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: them at midnight, sometimes at one am, I'll be like,

952
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta watch this tomorrow. I'm not

953
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm not paying enough attention to this. I'm not I'm

954
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: not on my game. And that again, you know, that's

955
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: to me, that's just blasphemy to the people that you know,

956
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: put their heart and soul into the movie. As far

957
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: as the process, I don't take a lot of notes

958
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: because I see this with a lot of young critics.

959
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: They come in with these giant notepads, man and their script.

960
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: Five minutes into the movie, they're writing a novel and

961
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you writing? But while they're writing, Michael,

962
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: they're missing the movie. They're looking out at the notebook

963
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: and Roger Ebert had the tiny little notebook. You always

964
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: kept it in his front pocket. You do want to

965
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: write down a quick spot or if you notice that

966
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: something was a line that was brilliant, you know. But

967
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: in this day and age, the great thing is if

968
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: you've got a question about almost anything, there's either a

969
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: clip you can look up, there's a publicist will help

970
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: you out. There's IMDb, so you really you know, if

971
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: I see an actor in a movie, I don't know

972
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: who it is and they're fantastic, well, I don't need

973
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: to know their name while I'm watching the movie. Most

974
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: of the times I'm gonna know, but I can look

975
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: it up after. So I try to keep the note

976
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: taking to a minimum because I want to watch the

977
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 1: movie the way the viewer is going to watch the movie.

978
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: And for that same reason, I won't go back and

979
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: watch a movie twice before I review it. I'll watch

980
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: it twice if I love it or if I want

981
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: to write about it for an Oscar piece. But because

982
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: my feeling is the same way. With the exception of

983
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: maybe you know, the Star Wars, Maniacs or something, most

984
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: people see a movie once. I want to give them

985
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: the same experience that they're gonna have. Here's what I saw.

986
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: And if it's and you know what, if I get

987
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: lost by the Murder Mystery, I'll just say in my review,

988
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: they lost me. Now, maybe that's because I didn't do

989
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: a good job of paying attention, but maybe it's because

990
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: it's a little convoluted and and and and muddy, you know,

991
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: And I'll just say that they lost me. I didn't

992
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: know what was going on at one point, or even worse,

993
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: I didn't care what was going on at some point.

994
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: Right two thousand seventeen last year, what movies that most

995
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: people didn't see excited you? Like? So, so what are

996
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 1: the sort of under the radar movies? Because one movie

997
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: that I wanted to ask you about is uh that

998
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't see, and it's it's not

999
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: an easy movie, but it's really bugged out and it

1000
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: it really made me think and I was just impressed

1001
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: with the filmmaking. And I had a lot of questions.

1002
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: And at first I was like, I don't know if

1003
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I love this movie, but the fact that I'm still

1004
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: thinking about it, I think it is a really good movie. Uh,

1005
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: this movie The Killing of a Sacred Deer. When Nicole

1006
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: Kidman and um, yes, like that to me. And and

1007
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: then this this kid that's in it, who was in

1008
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: Dune Kirk. He's not being brought up for Best Supporting Actor,

1009
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, his performance in this really wacky,

1010
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: weird uh A Killing of a Sacred Deer should totally

1011
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: be brought up for some sort of I don't know,

1012
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: Independent Film uh Independent Spirit Award or something. So that

1013
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: was the movie to me that stuck out, like under

1014
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: the radar. I wanted to know, did you watch that movie?

1015
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: And as the other movies that you can tell me about,

1016
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: because I didn't have a great film watching here. Yeah.

1017
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: First of all, I agree with you about The Killing

1018
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: us of a Sacred Deer, and I completely understand how

1019
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: people could go see that movie and walk out twenty

1020
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: minutes into it. What I loved about it, though, was

1021
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: like what you said. First of all, it's a really

1022
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: original and bizarre and strange and unique piece of work,

1023
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: which is what I may think is part of what

1024
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: makes it almost great is because you don't see that

1025
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: movie and you're never gonna see anything quite like it again.

1026
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: And I love how everybody in the movie, the characters,

1027
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, they're all buying into it, you know what

1028
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael like that. You know, nobody in that

1029
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: movie is gonna like this is weird man. That's up

1030
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: to the audience to decide. So they're all living that

1031
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: reality of that movie, which is, I don't we don't

1032
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: want to give it too much away, but is really

1033
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: bizarre and twisted and sick and violent and sometimes darkly funny,

1034
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: but also talks about you know, obviously speaks to issues

1035
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: that people can relate to. But I thought it was

1036
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: brilliantly done, certainly something people should check out. In that

1037
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: same thing, not the same kind of movie, but a

1038
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: movie I think that goes back to something like, you know,

1039
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: could have been made in the seventies or eighties, wind River,

1040
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: and that was when Rivers, the one with Jeremy Renner,

1041
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: who's the park ranger you know, in the nowhere territory,

1042
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Olsen is the young FBI agent and they're

1043
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: they're investigating the murder of a young fifteen year old

1044
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: girl on this Indian reservation and he's got a lot

1045
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: of you know, interesting stuff about the dynamic between the

1046
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: Caucasians and the Indians. Without hitting me over the head,

1047
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: but I also like that one, Michael, because the dynamic

1048
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: between Jeremy Renner and Elizabeth Olsen kind of reminded me

1049
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: of Scott Glenn and Jodie Foster in Silence of the Lambs.

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00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: One the veteran who's been around and seeing it all,

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00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: but the other ones probably the sharper, you know, rising star.

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: But they have this great kind of relationship that's not

1053
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 1: the cheap romantic relationship that a lot of movies would

1054
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: make it. It's more big brotherly, but they're learning from

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00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: each other. And then there's a couple of moments in

1056
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: that home that are just absolutely heartbreaking, and it's also

1057
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: just brilliantly done, you know, just beautifully shot, beautifully acted,

1058
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: and movies like wind River, Killing of a Sacred Dear

1059
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard of, you know, it's now getting

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01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: a lot of momentum. Three Billboards Outside of Missouri, which

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01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: got I was glad to see. I'm not, you know,

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01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: the Golden Globe is the whole other topic, but I

1063
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: was so glad you could recognize because that's another one

1064
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: Mi go, you know, five minutes in that movie. As

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: a critic, I was like leaning forward in my seat

1066
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: because I just knew I was seeing greatness. You could

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01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: just tell, but the framing of the shots, the music,

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01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: the attention to detail, and then give you a chance

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01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: to see it yet. Yeah, Yeah, I loved it. I

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01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: love that. I didn't see wind River, but Three Billboards

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01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: I loved. I figured you would because you're you know,

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01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: you're an actor that that's had a chance to do

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01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: with lots of different roles, and I'm sure you really

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: appreciated that, like the Sam Rockwell character, or the Woody

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01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: Harrelson character, or just about any other especially the supporting characters,

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01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: and movies like that usually get to know them and

1077
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: then that's who they are, and without getting giving anything away.

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01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: I loved how we got to know more about each

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01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: of these characters and really got to understand where they

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01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: were coming from and that they weren't just one dimensional.

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Speaker 1: You don't get that much in a mainstream movie that

1082
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: like that anymore. Everything is always about the lead character

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01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: and maybe one other lead character, and all the supporting

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01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: characters just exist to comment or to react to the

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: lead characters. And Three Billboards we got to see their

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: actual lives. That to me is an exciting thing to

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01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: see on the screen. Yeah, I agree, I think that

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01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: that movie was great. Um, I need to see this

1089
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: wind River. To be honest, I didn't even hear about it,

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I didn't have a great

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: movie going, uh two thousand seventeen. Uh. Someone, that's my

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: fault and whatever. But you know, I'm such a fan

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01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: of of the movies, and you know, I get discards,

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01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: like I said, because there's so many of these big movies,

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01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: and you know, and then these smaller movies, if you

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01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: don't catch them, like a week, even the really good

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01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: ones or two weeks after they're released, they're gone. And

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01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: then you know, they come on TV and then it's

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01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: a different sperience and whatever. I got my Real Housewives

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01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: and in all my other crap. But you know, the

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01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: good thing is at least in this thing like back

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01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: in the day, like when I was growing up watching movies.

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01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: I grew up in as a kid in the sixties

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01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: and seventies, and back then, you know, if a movie

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01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: didn't do well, if it didn't you know, played in

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01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: the theater, it disappears forever. It didn't even show up

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: on the late night show. Because the late night show,

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, on w g N here in Chicago, channel nine,

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: you get to see the Bogart movies, which was awesome,

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: but they didn't show like a second tier movie that

1111
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: didn't do well. And then VCR came out. You know,

1112
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: the most exciting thing to me when I was like

1113
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: seventeen and I saw this two thousand dollar Beta Max

1114
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: machine at Sears Roebuck and I found out that they

1115
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: were gonna have movies that you could get on the tape.

1116
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: The first time I walked into not even a Blockbuster,

1117
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: but like a local rental shop and you could actually

1118
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: get movies, you know, and watch them. At least nowadays

1119
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: we do have all the you know, multi platform, so

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: that the movie then appears on video and demand, then

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01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: it's on HBO or Showtime, and eventually, you know, at

1122
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: least they can play on TVs or t NT or

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Speaker 1: whatever her or you could just like I said, call

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01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: up the movie I want to see True Romance. I

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: go out of my on demand I type in those

1126
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: those words and it says movie will now play. That's amazing,

1127
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, so so at least these movies will will

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Speaker 1: get a chance, But I agree with you that they disappear.

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01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you another example of a movie that nobody

1130
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: saw it came out almost a full year ago, and

1131
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. It was called The Founder,

1132
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: and this is the one where Michael Keaton plays Ray Crock,

1133
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: the guy who's credited with founding McDonald's but in reality

1134
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: basically completely trumped the McDonald's brothers. There were two brothers

1135
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: called the McDonald's brothers. You know this right, the virginal

1136
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: franchise was out in California. Uh. Ray Crock is from here,

1137
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: from my area, from the Chicago area. He was a

1138
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: traveling salesman and the you know, the McDonald's brothers essentially

1139
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: invented fast food. He you know, figured out a way

1140
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: to get them to sign paperwork and then you know,

1141
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: the rest is history. But Michael Keaton one of our

1142
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: best actors. He's brilliant because you see him, you see

1143
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: the charm in Ray Kroc, and you see the business acumen,

1144
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: but you also see what an s ob he is

1145
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: because he just he completely shoves them aside. And by

1146
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: the time he cut to the seventies, when Ray Croc

1147
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: was by in the San Diego Padres, He's listed everywhere

1148
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: is the guy who founded McDonald's, which was named after

1149
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: the McDonald's brothers who were completely literally a race from history.

1150
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: But it's a great film. Great, Yeah, that's a good movie.

1151
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: I saw that. I saw that either on iTunes or

1152
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: or Netflix or one of them, but I you know,

1153
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: it came and went and um, you know, I know

1154
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: people have been talking about trying to get Michael Keaton

1155
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: another Oscar nomination, but it didn't happen. We're in such

1156
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: a golden era of documentaries again with Netflix, HBO. Um,

1157
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: were there any documentaries in two thousand and seventeen, like,

1158
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: or what were the documentaries whether they came out on

1159
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: Netflix or HBO or in the theater first or even

1160
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: some of these films they're being film festivals or you'll

1161
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: get him as screeners that stuck out, you like, what

1162
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: were the best documentaries? You know, I'll be honest with you.

1163
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: That's actually something I'm working my way through right now.

1164
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was the biggest cheer for documentaries.

1165
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: So there were I mean, there were some that I

1166
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,479
Speaker 1: wrote about, but not as many as I usually would

1167
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: have because again, when I'm looking at my audience, they've

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: got to be fairly mainstream, something I might want to

1169
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: watch personally. So I'm kind of working through some of them. Uh,

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: there's actually one right now on HBO. It's about the

1171
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: guy who ran FIAT back in the in the fifties

1172
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: and sixties. Uh. They called him the Avocado, which is

1173
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: like Italian for lawyer, a real life guy. But if

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01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: they don't make a real life movie, a fictional movie

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01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: about him, like I mean, because this guy was the

1176
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: playboy of all time and then he was the champion

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01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: of Fiat. But he was the kind of guy like

1178
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,479
Speaker 1: he when he would go visit people on the beach,

1179
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: like at the Riviera, he had his helicopter with and

1180
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: he jumped out of the helicopter into the water. Then

1181
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: he swim to the shore. And then you know the

1182
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: rumor of the biggest rumor about it. He womanized everybody,

1183
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: was with everybody. But the biggest rumor was that he

1184
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: had an affair with Jackie Kennedy after John F. Kennedy

1185
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: was elected president, because she actually went she went to

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01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: visit him. His name was like you know, Giannianelli, and

1187
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: she went to visit him with her little kids in Italy,

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01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: and JFK famously sent her a telegram saying, more time

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: with Caroline, less time with gianni You know. So check

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01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: this HBO documentary about this guy of as far as

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01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: like fun documentaries as you know, even though I'm a

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Speaker 1: more of a White Sox than Cubs fan, there was

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01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: a great documentary about Pearl Jam. Uh, and Eddie Vetter

1194
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: is a huge Chicago Cubs fan, and it's about the

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01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen season, right in the middle of the

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 1: Pennant run that the Cubs were making. Towards the end

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: of the two thousand and sixteen season. Uh, Pearl Jam

1198
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: played two concerts at Wrigley Field, like in between games,

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01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: like you know, between home sets, and had you know,

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01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: the camera people have full access to it. So it's

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01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: really cool. So you get to see the Cubs marching

1202
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: to the World championship and Eddie Vetters showing home movies

1203
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: as a kid when he was a Cubs fan. Now

1204
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: he's basically at home plate singing thousand fans in regular Ville.

1205
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: What's the name of that film? Oh god, I'm not sure.

1206
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: If it's just look at you just look at Pearl

1207
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: Jam and cops you'll see it. It's it's really really cool. Okay,

1208
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: I gotta check those out. Um, all right, so what

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01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: are the best films of the year, or or forget,

1210
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: what are the best films here? What are the films

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01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: that are going to be nominated? Um? Two thousands like

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01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: coming up in these oscars. He's SAG Awards, he's Golden

1213
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: Globe Awards, which I mean, I'm so exhausted with this

1214
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: fucking Golden Globes thing. Um for all the reasons. It's

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01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: just like the whole thing, and and the protest was great,

1216
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: but the movie just the scrutiny of who's protesting, who's

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01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: not protesting, the whole thing got out of hand. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: and now and now, and I agree, I completely agree

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01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: with you. And you know, all the respect in the

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: world to the women who have stepped forward, I think

1221
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: at this point that should go without saying. But maybe not.

1222
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: But you know, I couldn't agree with you more. But

1223
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: now you get to the point to where anytime any

1224
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: man goes up there, someone can just tweet anything about

1225
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: them and everybody immediately assumes it to be true. Maybe

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: it is, maybe it's not. And also, yes, the Golden

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: Clobes is the one awards show that's usually the most

1228
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: entertain I missed seeing all the upside down bottles of champagne.

1229
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: I missed because you know, at the end of the day,

1230
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 1: let's face it, all of these things are ridiculous. It's

1231
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of grown ass millionaires handing trophies to one another.

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01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: And I you know, I've I've been to the Oscars

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01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: maybe ten times, and it's exciting and I get all that,

1234
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: But you know, I always would crack up to like

1235
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 1: when someone would go up there who won, and they

1236
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: would just be so shocked and they couldn't believe it.

1237
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, out of the six billion people

1238
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: on the planet Earth, you were one of the five

1239
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: who were nominated. You can't be that shocked, you know,

1240
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It gets, it gets I

1241
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: don't say a little self indulgence. It gets hugely self indulgence.

1242
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,759
Speaker 1: But like everybody else, you know, I watch all this stuff.

1243
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: I watched the Globes as far as the Oscars. As

1244
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,639
Speaker 1: you said, best movies of the year and pictures getting

1245
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: nominated not always the same thing. But I do think

1246
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: Three Billboards Outside Epping, Missouri is the front runner for

1247
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: Best Drama. The Post, Steven Spielberg's movie about the Washington

1248
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: Post is a great film. Tom Hanks, Meryl Stroup, and

1249
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: It's one of those stones where you're kind of reminded

1250
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: of why those two actors became the icons they are,

1251
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: because they're so good, so good in this, Michael. And

1252
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: then you know, I will say this too. I know

1253
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people loved Lady Beard A Ladybird,

1254
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: which is Gregi Gerwick film, which I loved. I love

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Speaker 1: to myself. I gave it four stars. But I say

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01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: this again, you know, saying that she's I think gonna

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: be an amazing filmmaker and already great effort as a

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: writer director. But it's a nice, small, smart character driven film.

1259
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: And it's like Lazy would have won Sundance one year maybe, right,

1260
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: I agree, like it's a small movie, but to make

1261
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 1: this big thing over and I'm like, is it? Is

1262
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: it because there's not that many great movies or what's

1263
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: the deal? Because I'm not insulting at all. It's a

1264
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: good little movie, right. And and you know Tracy Letts

1265
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: and Laurie Metcalf who play her parents, and you know

1266
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: those are both Chicago. Those are Stephan Wolf Theater people here.

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: I love them. I think Tracy Letts is about is

1268
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: one of the greatest actors on the Planet, and he's

1269
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: in the Post, He's in everything in movies now. But

1270
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: this guy also want to pull a surprise for like,

1271
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, O Stage County. He wrote the point, I

1272
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: mean you you're talking about a true genius, right, And

1273
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: I love to see it, but but yes, it's a

1274
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: it's a small film, and I almost feel it's like

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01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: unfair to the movie because now the second tier of

1276
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: fans were going to see it are like, oh, so

1277
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: it's about this quirky high school girl who's on her

1278
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: way to college and her parents are having difficulties and

1279
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: she's you know, kind of coming into her own and

1280
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: that's it. And I'm like, yeah, that's it. So to me,

1281
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: as a film critic who's seen six thousand movies, you

1282
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: can't tell me that that's a better movie than Three

1283
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: Billboards or wind River or a or a more lasting

1284
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 1: film or a more accomplished piece of film making. And

1285
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 1: I know this is all subjective, but just no ff

1286
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: and way. And I kind of feel this same way

1287
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: about get Out and I love to get Out. And

1288
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: I saw that movie, Michael. I was lucky enough to

1289
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: see it before any of the hype. I didn't even

1290
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: know what I was Seeing I mean, I knew the

1291
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: people that were involved in it, you know, and I

1292
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: knew that they were talented people, but I didn't even

1293
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: know it was a horror movie. I knew it was

1294
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: gonna be some sort of quirky film. So to see

1295
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: this thing goes sideways and really, you know, go from

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01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: this kind of Stepford Wives racial statire into something even

1297
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: darker and stranger and really cool. And I loved it,

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01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: But the kind of it's the same thing with that,

1299
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's getting so much It's gotten so much

1300
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: hype that I've got a lot of people are seeing like, Okay,

1301
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: yeah that was really funny and really weird, but they

1302
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: expected to see the Shining meets the Exorcist to reach

1303
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: Roseberry's baby. I don't think it's you know, I think

1304
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: we've got to keep these things in context. I think

1305
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: it'd be great if Lady Bird or Get Out it's

1306
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: nominated for Best Picture. But to me, if if Lady

1307
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: Bird wins Best Picture, it's gonna be like one of

1308
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: those where we look back and go, Okay, Shakespeare loved

1309
01:11:56,479 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: beat out Saving Private Ryan really or ary people beat

1310
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: Outraging Bull, which is one of my biggest gripes in

1311
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 1: film history ever, because Raging Bull, to me is the

1312
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: greatest movie ever made. And I'm talking like, if you

1313
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: go category for category, performance director, editing, sound, sound editing, cinematography,

1314
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: um influence, Like to me, listen Raging Bull. I love it.

1315
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: It's not a feel good movie. But when you look

1316
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: at that movie collectively, like of all the categories, I

1317
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: think it's the greatest movie ever And and it doesn't

1318
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: mean it has to be a fun ride, but but

1319
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: you know the fact that it lost the ordinary people.

1320
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: And I had a conversation. The first time I ever

1321
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: got drunk in my life was on the set of

1322
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: Beautiful Girls with the late great Ted Demi, Matt Dillon,

1323
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: and Timothy Hutton, all good guys. Timothy had a great

1324
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: sense humor, but they were drinking whiskey. This was literally

1325
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 1: the first time I drank in my entire life. I

1326
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: was like twenty five or something like that. I had

1327
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: never drank. I got like barely drunk, and I just

1328
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: went off on Tim with the hunt and I was like,

1329
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: can you fucking believe that movie beat Raging Bull? You

1330
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: should be a shame to yourself. And because he won

1331
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: the Oscar, he beat Joe Pesci. How could you live

1332
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 1: with yourself? Did you beat Joe Pesci? And you know

1333
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: he got a good kick out of it because you

1334
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: know he knew I was drunk. But you know, to

1335
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: this day, you know, these awards are you know, I

1336
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: mean it's like, you know, people say they don't matter,

1337
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: but they do matter. You know, when when they gave

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01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: Scorsesey the Oscar, uh, you know, when they didn't give

1339
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: it to him for Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Goodfellows and

1340
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: all the other films, they gave Puccino the Oscar when

1341
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: they didn't give it to him for all his earlier work.

1342
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean, I think it's a lot

1343
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: of times it's it's politics. So you think in terms

1344
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: of sometimes when they get these awards out, oh, it

1345
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: absolutely is. And you mentioned some great example. I mean,

1346
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: al Pacino wins for sent sent Up a woman, but

1347
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,639
Speaker 1: not you know, Michael CARLIONI. Michael Carloni, I would argue,

1348
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: is maybe the most fascinating movie character of all time

1349
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: if you look at his uh you know, years ago,

1350
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: Premiere Magazine did the thing on the hundred most uh

1351
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, the whole hundred greatest movie characters of all time,

1352
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: and they had Don Corleoni is number one, and I

1353
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: took I had a big argument with him about that,

1354
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: because I'm like, no, Michael Corleone is the most fascinating

1355
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: movie character of all time. Don Corleoni is an amazing performance,

1356
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 1: but it's it's in two thirds of the first movie

1357
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: and we see him. We only get to learn more

1358
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 1: about him in the second movie. Went Denroos plan l

1359
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: Puccino plays Michael Corleone from a war hero who's not

1360
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna get involved into the family business to a guy

1361
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: who's so much colder than his father ever was. You know,

1362
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: it's an amazing, amazing piece of work and that. But

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01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: he didn't win for that. And he didn't win for

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: Panic in Needle Park or Cervico. He won for Scent

1365
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: of a Woman, and and Paul Newman didn't win, uh,

1366
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, for for Hut or for cool Hand Luke

1367
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: or for any of those great portrayals. He wins for

1368
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: a good film, a very good film, Color of Money.

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01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. There's career askers as far as

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: these best picture things go. You know, you're right. Regi

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: Bulls routinely listed among the top five or ten films

1372
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: of all time, but it's still shouldn't win the ASCAR.

1373
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: And you know what, one of my favorite movies, and

1374
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,560
Speaker 1: I think favorite and greatest can be different. One of

1375
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: my favorite movies of all time is Rocky, But I

1376
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: think even Stalone will tell you The Taxi Driver should

1377
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: have won Best Picture that year, you know, and you

1378
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: know in in the late sixties, we know two thousand

1379
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: and one lost to Oliver, an old fashioned movie musical comma.

1380
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: So the same thing this year. If Lady birdwins Best Picture,

1381
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 1: it's a combination of things. And and again, all great

1382
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: respect to Greta Gerwig, but it's gonna be some of

1383
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: the voters saying, hey, it wouldn't it be cool? Written

1384
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: and directed by a woman? Hey, isn't it great? This

1385
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: is the most acclaimed film of Rotten Tomatoes, perfect score.

1386
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be cool to recognize all? You know what

1387
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: people can vote for however they want to vote. But

1388
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: you're never gonna convince me the Ladybird is a better

1389
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: film than Three Billboards or dun Kirk or wind River

1390
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: or The Post or even something like Detroit. With Catherine

1391
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: Bigelow's film set in the seven Detroit, which is another

1392
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: one that got overlooked, which is a great film that

1393
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: people should check out. What filmmakers today are you the

1394
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: most excited to go see their movies? Like you're like,

1395
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get the screener, I can't wait

1396
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: to go to the private screen. Like what three or

1397
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: four filmmakers are you Like, I'm clearing my day, I'm

1398
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: bringing my own popcorn, I'm getting the liquorice. I want

1399
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 1: the goddamn theater perfect. You know, you want to sound perfectly.

1400
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 1: What who are your guys now that most excite you? Well,

1401
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's still mostly the veterans because of the

1402
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: reasons we talked about earlier. How these other films, and look,

1403
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 1: there's been some great work done on on some of

1404
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 1: the superhero movies, and and all great respect Patty Jenkins

1405
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: kicked ass with Wonder Woman. She's a great director. But

1406
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: most of the superhero movies, let's face it, they're probably

1407
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: a hundred directors in Hollywood. If they can handle the

1408
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: budget and the stars, they could do it. But you know,

1409
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: I so I still look for the names we've been

1410
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: looking at for the last forty years. You know, if

1411
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: I see it's a Spielberg film, or a Ridley Scott film,

1412
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: or you know what, here's an amazing thing. Clean Eastwood

1413
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: is almost ninety and Clean Eastood's got a movie coming

1414
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: out next month about the three off duty American soldiers

1415
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: who have swarted a terrorist attack on the train from

1416
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: Amsterdam to Paris. Clint Eastwood, if you look at the

1417
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: films he's made in the last fifteen years, if you

1418
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: look at movies like well starting off a million Dollar Baby,

1419
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: but if you look at things like Sully, he's made

1420
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: more good movies after the age of seventy than most

1421
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: young filmmakers are ever maked. So I still look for

1422
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: guys like that. There are some filmmakers I mentioned to

1423
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: you wind River, Michael So this guy Taylor Sheridan, who

1424
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: wrote wind River and also directed it. This guy is

1425
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: an actor too. He was on Sons of Anarchy for

1426
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: a while about this movie. I heard about that. So

1427
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 1: so here's Taylor Sheridan. Here are the three movies he's

1428
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: written in the last three years. Cicario, Hell or High Water,

1429
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: and wind River. That's about as good as a free

1430
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: film start for a writer as you can find in

1431
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: modern times. Cicario, Heller high Water wind River, So I

1432
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: look at whatever that guy is gonna do next, count

1433
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 1: me in. What did you think of the Paul Thomas

1434
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: Anderson movie, The Phantom Threat. Well, well, well, first of all,

1435
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: there's another guy who you know when you see his

1436
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: name on a film, whether it's you know, Boogie Nights,

1437
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: Magnolia you know, going back twenty some years now, and

1438
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: Phantom Thread. You know, it's one of those films that

1439
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, if it's not Paul Thomas Anderson and Daniel

1440
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 1: day Lewis, I can't imagine being less interested in the

1441
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: basic subject matter. It's set in the nineteen fifties in

1442
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: London and it's about a dressmaker. You know, are you

1443
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: kidding me? But because it's Paul Thomas Anderson, and because

1444
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: of the dressmaker, the fashion designer is Daniel day Lewis,

1445
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm in going in right And then you see it

1446
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: and it's brilliantly done because every single detail of it.

1447
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: Dane day Lewis is probably playing the closest to what

1448
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 1: Daniel day Lewis is really like because the guy he plays,

1449
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: who's this world famous guy who makes dresses for the

1450
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: richest people in the world, So he's got a huge

1451
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: house and he's got a huge step. But the guy

1452
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: he plays is this meticulous perfectionist who does everything the

1453
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: same way every single day and has, you know, intimate

1454
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: every single intricate detail of his life must be done.

1455
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: The way he dresses, the way he shaves, and if

1456
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: people get in the way of his process, he's almost

1457
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: like staying in character, just like we hear Daniel de

1458
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: Lewis always stays in character. So just watching that, watching

1459
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: the way you know he you know, and and just

1460
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: the slightest thing like when he has his breakfast in

1461
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: the morning and the woman he had just kind of

1462
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: started off with stays overnight, and just the way she

1463
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: scrapes the toast with a noise that irritates him, and

1464
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 1: just watching him react to that, it's like a masterclass

1465
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: in acting. So it's great. It's great even though and

1466
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: it's another one where in a way there's a little

1467
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: bit of a sacred of a killing deer kind of element.

1468
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: I'll just say that we're all of a sudden, something

1469
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: really strange happens and you're like, okay, I'll go with that,

1470
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: And I love that. What actors are you most excited

1471
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: to see? Like Sight unseen. Like for me, Denzel Washington

1472
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: has made more movies that could have been average or

1473
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: almost like B movies, great like he single handedly can

1474
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: take something that's good and and take it to levels

1475
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: that I don't think anyone else could do. Um like

1476
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 1: even any other any other actor in that part, and

1477
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: you're not getting an Academy Award nomination, you're not gonna

1478
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: win the Academy Award. Who knows what it could be? Yeah,

1479
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: he's why that. It's hard to quibble that maybe the

1480
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: number one where you're right, if you're just like, you know,

1481
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: you can put him in anything. There's other great actors,

1482
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: but in certain roles they just kind of disappear into

1483
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: the movie. But uh, you know, I love Yeah, I'll

1484
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: watch Denzel and I you know, it sounds weird to

1485
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 1: say Tom Hanks is underrated. I don't want to say underrated,

1486
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: but I will say take it for granted because the guy,

1487
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, like like in The Post he's playing Ben Bradley.

1488
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: Jason robards To played Ben Bradley to Washington Post editor

1489
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: and all the President's Men, and he won the Academy

1490
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: Award for Supporting Actor because Ben Bradley was a guy

1491
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: who not only was a great editor, but he was

1492
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: like a navy guy, you know, a big guy, roll

1493
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: up the sleeves, leading man, handsome. You think of a

1494
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: Jason Roberts or like a John Wayne playing him. So

1495
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: you think Tom Hanks, well, you know, Tom Hanks is

1496
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: more of a regular guy, you know, but he fails it.

1497
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,480
Speaker 1: He gets that kind of dashing rogue, you know, egomaniac

1498
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: but still brilliant journalist thing. And you watch it and

1499
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: you go, same thing with Tom Hanks. You know, there

1500
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: was a terrible movie called The Circle that came out

1501
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 1: this year, earlier this year, where he plays kind of

1502
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: a Bill Gates type of guy, more market see jobs

1503
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: actually Michae because even where it's like kind of the

1504
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: Black Turling and it's all about how it's one of

1505
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: those movies where it's like this would have been really

1506
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: cutting edge if it had been made in seven because

1507
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: it's all about how because of the Internet, if you

1508
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 1: get in the circle instead of the cloud, they can

1509
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: tell what you're doing. And I'm like, yes, Andrewill looked

1510
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: at that with the net in you know, but Tom

1511
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: Hanks is still great in it. He makes you still

1512
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 1: you stay with it because it's Tom Hanks. And you know,

1513
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 1: as far as actresses go, my I think my my

1514
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: favorite of the less maybe ten years is Jessica chas

1515
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: Stain because she could do everything. She could be the

1516
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: glamorous leading lady, but she can play all. And she's

1517
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: in this what we call Molly's Game that just came out,

1518
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, which is based on the true story of

1519
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: the high stakes poker games that involved a lot of

1520
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: Hollywood stars. And she's great in it, you know, because

1521
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: and she's another one where it's like, sometimes the movies

1522
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: are are great, sometimes they're not. But if I see

1523
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: that she's in it, I know it's not. I know

1524
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: she's never going to give an uninteresting performance. She wouldn't

1525
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: know how. Yeah, she's good and she keeps getting better

1526
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: and better. Um, all right, So you covered early Michael

1527
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Jordan's in Chicago before he was even a champion. What

1528
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: do you remember about covering Michael Jordan for the Chicago

1529
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: Sun Times. What was he like? Because you know, when

1530
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: you're you know, microphones in front of him, um, you know,

1531
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: and then there cameras are on and cameras are off.

1532
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: What do you remember about covering Michael Jordan's you know

1533
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: what I when I remember, I mean I go all

1534
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: the way back to when he had hair. He actually

1535
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: had hair when he came here. He might not remember this,

1536
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: but he was actually the third pick in the draft

1537
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: that year because a che Malajuan and cried by Drexler

1538
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: went ahead of him. Uh, everybody knew he was great,

1539
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: but but he knew how great he was before we

1540
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 1: all did. He already knew it, you know. And he

1541
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: joined a team that was terrible, you know, a bunch

1542
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: of cast off guys who were party animals at the

1543
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: end of their career, you know, unknowns undisciplined team. And

1544
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: this was a guy who from the moment he came

1545
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: to the Bulls and you know, I think it was

1546
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: about seven years Michael before they really got great. I mean,

1547
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: he had a long run there where he was just

1548
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: averaging thirty points and they would not even make the

1549
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: playoffs or they get knocked out the field, or they

1550
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: get the crap beat on him by the Pistons who

1551
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: treated him like little boys, you know, Lamber and all

1552
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: those guys. But Jordan's you know, you hear these reports

1553
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't deny he get into fights and practice

1554
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: with guys he punched, you know, he punched Steve Kerk

1555
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: who's they're they're they're good for ends. He punched Steve

1556
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: Kerr and the knows. You know, he would you were

1557
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: you were you covering the team. Then I wasn't covering

1558
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: him as a fat reporter day in and day out,

1559
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, So I wasn't there every day, but um

1560
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: I was there for a lot of the stuff, but

1561
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: just to see the development. And then of course you

1562
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: know when they got when they got the first rock

1563
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: Star team in Chicago in the early nineties, you know

1564
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: when he when they put together that supporting cat and

1565
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: Scotti Pippen is another guy. You know, he was a

1566
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: high first round pick, but he was this unpolished kid

1567
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: who played on dirt floors in Arkansas. I mean, you

1568
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: want to talk about the most unsophisticated and he's a

1569
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: great guy. I'm friends with him to this day. But

1570
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 1: the greatest thing that ever could happen to Scottie Pippen

1571
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: was that he was always the number two because he

1572
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: never could have been the guy, as he showed when

1573
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: Michael took two years off the lay baseball, nor did

1574
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: he want to be the guy to lead the charge,

1575
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: but one of the best number two's ever. You know,

1576
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: it's like a rock band where some guys just want

1577
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 1: to be number two. And he, you know, he turned Pippen,

1578
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: helped turn Pippen into one of the greatest defensive players.

1579
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: And that was the other great thing about Jordan. You know,

1580
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: he always would say, because you know, when he came up,

1581
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: he couldn't hit anything from outside. He was a terrible shooter.

1582
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: He he made himself a great shooter. But what he

1583
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: would always day is, you don't have you can have

1584
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: an off shooting night, you don't ever have to have

1585
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: an off defensive night, because it's all about effort. And

1586
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: he instilled that. You know, so s to see that,

1587
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, the the the off court, you know, the

1588
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: off record Jordan's you know, I'll say a lot of

1589
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: this is kind of known now. He's very lucky he

1590
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: came up in an air just before all the madness

1591
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 1: that we have now around and everybody. He was able

1592
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: to live. You know, he lived the life. He lived

1593
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: kind of unapologetically. So you know, we'd be out and about,

1594
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: he'd be out with you know, he used to love

1595
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 1: to run around with Richard Dent, who was on the

1596
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: Bears Super Bowl team. They're big buddies to this day.

1597
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: So you know he had Richard with him. Uh, he

1598
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 1: had a guy named George who who became his like

1599
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 1: trusted driver because George picked him up at the airport.

1600
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: The first time he came to here, there was nobody

1601
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: from the Bulls waiting for him. So this guy walked

1602
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: up and said, you need to ride, and Jordan hired

1603
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: him for twenty five years after that. So it would

1604
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: be Michael where just the limo driver, Richard, then maybe

1605
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: one or two other guys. But you should walk into

1606
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: a place he could hang out, you know, you could

1607
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: you could talk to him, although you know that's not

1608
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: gonna happen in this day and age. So he really

1609
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: got to enjoy life. I'll tell you a quick story

1610
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: if you've got time for it, about about about Michael

1611
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 1: so in Chicago, and you've probably seen in some of

1612
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: the movies. You know they played the sixteen inch softball

1613
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: here more than the twelve minutes. You know, that's the

1614
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: that's the big ball where you don't work up. Sixteen

1615
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 1: in softball is pretty much invented here. So I was

1616
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: in this celebrity charity game here in Chicago, you know,

1617
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: athletes and media all that kind of stuff, and Michael

1618
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: was gonna play. So I got a call from somebody

1619
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: in his camp saying, hey, Michael knows you. You played

1620
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot of baseball. He's never played tough on his life.

1621
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: When you meet him at the park like five hours

1622
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: before the game, because he wants to learn a little bit,

1623
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: and we and of course, as we later learned, he

1624
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: loved baseball, but he's never played softball. So so I

1625
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: drive out to this little ballpark in northwest side of Chicago.

1626
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: He comes roaring up in his corvette with his Air

1627
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: twenty three license. He's not exactly undercover, but you know,

1628
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: people not paying attention. He gets out of the car.

1629
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: You've got jeans and jim shoes, and I'm like, you

1630
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: got sweatpants? He's like, oh, should I bring sweatpants? I go,

1631
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: we'll have uniform for you tonight. So I just kind

1632
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 1: of walked through the basics of sixteen inch and I said,

1633
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: I know you're supposed to play barehanded. You gotta have

1634
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: a glove because if you break a finger, the team's

1635
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: gonna kill you. So where I'm hitting him grounders and stuff.

1636
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: You know that. He he steps up to the plate,

1637
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: I start tossing paul him immediately He's whacking the ball

1638
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: farther than anybody I've ever seen hit a soft because

1639
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: he's a big guy. He was a great ass. But

1640
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: that night, so you know, the game, of course, there's

1641
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 1: a huge crowd. The first time he's up the lines,

1642
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: one down the left field line, he's people forget how

1643
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: fast he was. He's round on the basis when he's

1644
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: coming from home. He leaps over the catcher's hat and

1645
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 1: lands on the plates and full stripe, and I'm like,

1646
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: and I swear up like to this day, people go like,

1647
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's probably why he decided to become a

1648
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: baseball player, because you had him out of that soft

1649
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: about a couple of years. A couple of years later,

1650
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: he just I do you want to try baseball? But

1651
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: he was that kind of an athlete but also that competitive.

1652
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,839
Speaker 1: He did not want to go out on that baseball

1653
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: field and embarrass himself. You saw that, you said that

1654
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: was it was very apparent. Huh, who also is gonna

1655
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: say meet me five hours before the game. A guy

1656
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: that's about that point was already a multiple NBA All

1657
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: Star in fact, in fact, it was the first year

1658
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,560
Speaker 1: after after they won their first championship, so that have

1659
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: been what nine two Because I got a picture. I'll

1660
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 1: send it to you if you want to put it

1661
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: up on your side or whatever. But I got a

1662
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: picture what he went to bat in the game that night.

1663
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: He every time he go up, he'd say to me,

1664
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: hang on to my ring for me, so I'd be

1665
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,560
Speaker 1: wearing to bring while he batted. Then he put it

1666
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: back on after he circled the plate. You gotta you

1667
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: gotta send that to me. You gotta send that to me,

1668
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: all right, Cool, Richard, I listen. I appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: on the podcast. I would love to come have you

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Speaker 1: come back and uh talk more films, more specific stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been a fan of yours for a

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Speaker 1: long time. I respect what you do, uh and I

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Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate your opinion on all your stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you coming on. Well, I've been a

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Speaker 1: fan of years for a long time, Michael and he

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Speaker 1: ti absolutely and and hopefully I'll see you back on

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Speaker 1: the wrap up show. Will break their fucking balls, So

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Speaker 1: I would love that, alright, cool Richard, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me. All right, take care man. All right, that

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Speaker 1: was awesome. I want to think our guest, Richard Roper,

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01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 1: thank you for rocking with me on the Iron Rapports

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Speaker 1: Stereo Podcast. Thanks for the stories, thanks for the insight.

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Speaker 1: Sign Rapports Stereo Podcast coming live and direct listen going forward.

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Speaker 1: We got some This is gonna be more and more hits,

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Speaker 1: more and more hits. See Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Richard Roper. G Moody last name rhymes with duty.

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Speaker 1: My name is Michael Rappaport. The only podcast that prides

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Speaker 1: itself on no fact checking. Miles take us out with

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Speaker 1: the Ain't no fact checking theme song. I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: that in a little while. I'm out. I don't mean,

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Speaker 1: would you ever do that? I never do that like that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you need to do that by

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Speaker 1: I mean never ever I've even considered. Look at the

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Speaker 1: ship up, dude, I mean just in general, it's just

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Speaker 1: not something I just not something I do. Ain't no

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Speaker 1: fact check it. I'm gonna do that. Ain't no fact

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Speaker 1: check it. Oh yeah, we always go ward off without

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Speaker 1: they ain't no fact check it. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: to wear you a little bit with a little faint,

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Speaker 1: No check it