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A 20 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: gorgeous young mom ostensibly goes on a bike ride. I'm 21 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: trying to confirm that bike ride ever happened? And then 22 00:01:47,840 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: mysteriously disappears. Where is Susanne? More few crime stories with 23 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank 24 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in 25 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: Serious X one eleven. The more news we hear, the 26 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: more questions I have. Did she ever go for a 27 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: bike ride? Why is her home she shares with her 28 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: husband cordened off? Why is family including her husband not 29 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: allowed back into the home. Is it true that a 30 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: cell phone and a car have been impounded? Also overnight 31 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: we find out about a mysterious sighting of a car. 32 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: Is it connected with me? An all star panel to 33 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again? But 34 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: first I want you to hear Susanne Morphew's husband as 35 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: he finally breaks his silence. Listen, Oh Susanne, If anyone 36 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: is out there, I can hear this that has you. 37 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: Please WILL do whatever it takes to bring you back. 38 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: We love you, We miss you, Your girls and easy us. 39 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: No questions asked, however much they want, I will do 40 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get your backs. I love you. 41 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: That is the husband speaking, and he has certainly put 42 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: his money where his mouth is, putting up one hundred 43 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward for information to recover his missing wife, 44 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: matched by another one hundred thousand, now a two hundred 45 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward and climbing with me an all star panel. 46 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: James shell Nutt twenty seven years metro major case detective 47 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: swat now lawyer at shell Nutt Law Firm dot com. 48 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, renowned forensic psychiatrists. You can find him 49 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: on Insta and doctor Daniel Bober, the director of the 50 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Coal Case Research Institute. Crime scene expert Cheryl McCollum joining 51 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: me today. Long time now here, Susan Constantine, but boy, 52 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: it's great to have you with me. Body language expert. 53 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: She's an expert in deception and body language. I can't 54 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: wait to hear this because I've been looking at the 55 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: husband's statement over and over and over. Jack, you told 56 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: me it's twenty four seconds. I think it's more like 57 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: twenty one seconds. But I'm gonna retirement. Also with me. 58 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs News reporter and 59 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: crime online dot com investigative reporter Ellen Colauren. First to you, 60 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf, tell me about Suzanne's hut. Let's start with 61 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: the very latest and then we'll backtrack to the actual 62 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: disappearance and trying to put together a timeline. Lauren Sharf, 63 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: Fox twenty one, Colorado. Is the home still cordoned off? Yes? 64 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: The Chiefe County Sheriff John Spazy, he said, this isn't 65 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: anything unusual in these types of investigations. They start at 66 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: the home and then extend outwards and to try to 67 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: find any type of clue surrounding her disappearance, and the 68 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: more feel residence is just one of many areas that 69 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: they're focusing on in this open investigation. And the sheriff 70 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: really emphasized that is still characterized as a missing person 71 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: case and that they have a search warrant for the home, 72 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: but it is sealed by the court. Interesting, right there, 73 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: the search warrant still sealed. You know, I think probably 74 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: the reason for that, James shell Nutt twenty seven years 75 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: Metro Major k swat Now lawyer, is because on a 76 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: search warrant very often, and we've seen the video of 77 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: bags of evidence being carried out in that home, you 78 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: have to attach the quote return the return. In other words, 79 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: what you get on the search warrant. I think that 80 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: is what they're keeping a secret, because a search warrant 81 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: can be vague ish as long as it comports with 82 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: the law. We're looking for anything related to the disappearance 83 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: of Suzanne Murphy. It could say that like fingerprints, disheveled home, 84 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: suggestion of an altercation. But what they take out of 85 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: the home shall not has to be written on a 86 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: return explain. Yeah, absolutely so someone the judge issues a 87 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: search warrant. You know, you apply for the warrant, but 88 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: you also have to let the judge know what you 89 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: took out of that house, and you have to leave 90 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: a copy of that inventory with the person in possession 91 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 1: or control of the house or inside the house, and 92 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: it lists the items that we're taken out. That actually 93 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: begins what is the initial chain of custody on the 94 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: items and what they took out of that house. They're 95 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: going to be pieces of what they think our evidence 96 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: or could be substantial evidence in this case. I'm thinking, 97 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm think I'm Cheryl m a column director 98 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: Goal Case Research Institute. Cheryl on the return Okay, which 99 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: has to be filled out under the law. And when 100 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: Shelman is saying you have to go to a judge, 101 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: he's saying the cop, the detective has to go to 102 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: the judge or the district attorney. But it's not there yet. 103 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: This will be a cop going to the judge saying 104 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I need to get in the home in search. Now 105 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: we heard a reporter, Lauren Sharf, state that the sheriff 106 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: says this is sp standard operating procedure. I'm curious because 107 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: once you look in the home, you typically release it 108 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: to the inhabitants. That has not been done. Hey, Lauren, 109 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: very quickly, Lauren Sharff, how long has the home been 110 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: cordoned off? How many days? I believe the sheriff told 111 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: us it's from the beginning. WHOA, when we go ahead, dear, 112 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: jump in. When we had our crews going down there, 113 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: they couldn't even get anywhere near the home. This is, 114 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, a week the first week. But I do 115 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: want to remember tell people that there were no targeted 116 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: searches that we know of this week. Okay, I'm getting 117 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: back to the hume. So you say it's been several 118 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: days at least. Laurence Sharf absolutely Okay, Cheryl McCollum. That 119 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: gives me some information. That gives me information that police 120 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: have been in the home for some time and they're 121 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: still not releasing it. You know what that means. I 122 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: know what that means. Let it rap, Cheryl Nancy. If 123 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: I have a crme scene that I've coordin off for 124 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: eleven days, I have found something substantial. And what I 125 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: want to do is, I'm going to use luminos. I'm 126 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: going to recreate what I think I have found. I'm 127 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 1: doing I'm putting strings up, I'm doing day and night photography. 128 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: I am listing everything and again, I'm going to use 129 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: a three sixty camera. I'm going to do everything I 130 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: can to show what I believe occurred in that house. 131 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: This is long path collective evidence. This is recreating a 132 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: crum scene way past. Now here's the thing. Let me 133 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: go to you, Ellen Lauren with me Crime online dot 134 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: com investigative reporter. You can find her every day with 135 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: Breaking Crime and Justice music Crime Online. Ellen. There are 136 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: videos and photos I don't know how they got them 137 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: of law enforcement going in and out of the house, 138 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: coming out with bags. What do we know about how 139 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: many bags, what time of the day or night those 140 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: searches were what can you tell me, what do you 141 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: know about the search in the home? That's right, Nancy. 142 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Yesterday we saw photos that were reportedly taken at or 143 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: very close to the property of Susan Morphy's home. We 144 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: see a photo of investigators who appear to be carrying 145 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: evidence bags. We saw a photo of a crime scene 146 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: investigation band, but we don't know exactly when those photos 147 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: were taken. There was a lot of back and forth 148 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: about in the last couple of days about whether or 149 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: not authorities were doing an active search of Suzanne's home. 150 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: Last evening, in response to all of these questions, they 151 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: released a statement confirming that they have a sealed search 152 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: warrant connected to the home, and the statement indicated that 153 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: that warrant happened very early in the investigation. My understanding, 154 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: based on everything that we're we've been able to put together, 155 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: my understanding is this happened at the start of the 156 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: investigation and the family has not been allowed into the home. 157 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace by to Lauren Sharf ellen 158 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: Co Lauren also with me Crime online dot Com Lauren 159 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: shar Fox twenty one Colorado spraying knees Reporter Lauren when 160 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've covered a lot of crime scenes. 161 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: Typically and jump in shell Nutt and McCollum. Cops go in, 162 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: they look around, they look for a struggle. They look 163 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: to see if a windows broken. Guys, we are talking 164 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: about the disappearance of a young mom of two girls, 165 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Suzanne Morphew, And seemingly the facts get more murky the 166 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: more we look at them. Laurence Sharff with me, Fox 167 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: twenty one News. Typically, you go when you look for 168 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: a struggle, You look for fingerprints at the door, You 169 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: look for forced entry. You look for a blood. If 170 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: you don't see any of that, it's either not a 171 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: crime scene, or you bring in the scientists with luminol 172 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: to look for practically invisible blood or evidence of a cleanup. 173 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: You look for fibers, You look what else would you 174 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: look for, Cheryl McCollum, Nancy Again, You're gonna look for 175 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: things like what did she sleep in, if she had 176 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: a favorite pajamas, where are they did she have certain 177 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: shoes that she rode that bike in, or the shoes 178 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: in the closets? Who ate? Are their wine glasses out 179 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: or their knives out? Anything that could paint a picture 180 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: of what she did and when she didn't. Again, it's 181 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: an odd day that she would be all by herself 182 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day, Schryl will Colin, I have not even 183 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: gotten to Mother's Day yet. You are so right. You know, 184 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: my twins asking me what I want for Mother's Day 185 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: set a pair of white athletic socks and some of 186 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: the nilation I got both been Lucy Mamian giant cake. 187 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean. But to Lauren Sharf, Lauren, the girls, her 188 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: two daughters are grown now. They were away on Mother's 189 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: Day for uh was at a hike? Where were they? 190 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: The sheriff has not told us exactly you know where 191 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: the family was on that day. But I do want 192 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: to point out that during his press conference, he started 193 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: out saying, you know, as many of you know, Susanne 194 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Murphy disappeared on and then he paused and said became 195 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: a missing person on May tenth. So wow, my, yeah, 196 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: So that you're smart, Lauren Sharf, that's smart. Reportedly, and 197 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: all the press conferences that keeps saying reportedly missing on 198 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: Mother's Day or reportedly missing on May tenth, well, that 199 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: tells me we don't even have a timeline. Now, let's 200 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: look at that really quickly. To you, Lauren Sharff, when 201 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: did the girls go on their trip. I don't know 202 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: if it was a hiking trip. That's just a report 203 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: they were away. When did they leave? Like I said, 204 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Do they live in the do 205 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: they live there? The sheriff has not said anything. We 206 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: haven't heard about that at all. Alrighty, what can you 207 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: tell me about the husband's voluntary firefighter class that he 208 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: was taking one hundred and fifty miles away in Denver 209 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day? Has that been researched? Is that real? 210 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: The only thing that the sheriff talked about in regards 211 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: to Barry Morphew, Suzanne's husband, is that he's been cooperating 212 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: at this point, and we hope he continues to do so. 213 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: That's all we have heard from the sheriff. Okay, so 214 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: has he taken a polygraph that I do not know? Curious, 215 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: very curious. Indeed, everybody take a listen to our friends 216 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: at CBS for Denver. And she went biking on Sunday. 217 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: They're in the mountains about twenty miles west of Salida, 218 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: Trevor and and then there was nothing from her. Tell 219 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: us what you do know, Alan, I'm I'm willing to 220 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: confirm that the bike was found on Sunday evening. The 221 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: bike was found on sund Sunday evening, the night that 222 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: she disappeared. And for more information on the bike for 223 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: its conditions, I would encourage you and everyone else to 224 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: contact the Chiefey County Sheriff's department. Yeah, it has to 225 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: be disconcerting to know the bike has found. Sheriff has 226 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: said he does not believe that this was an animal, 227 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: and so all of Colorado has really ought to be 228 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: aware that there is a potential, Den Trevor, that she 229 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: might be somewhere well out of the county for all 230 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: we know, which is why we need to make sure 231 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: that we're aware of the situation. Okay, even more curious, now, 232 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Ellen Colorin, the more I hear, 233 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: the more questions I have. You know, it's not like 234 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: a Q and A or a cross or a direct 235 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: exam in court. I'm like, what day did she go missing? Well, 236 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: guess what, we thought it was Mother's Day, but maybe 237 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: it's not. We thought she went biking. But Ellen Colaurin, 238 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: do we know I know they brought out tracker dogs, 239 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: but apparently the tracker dogs didn't tell me anything. So 240 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: was she ever even on a bike? Ellen, I understand 241 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: you've got some news. What is it? Yeah, Like you said, Nancy, 242 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: the further we get along in this, the murkier it gets. 243 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: I just wanted to quickly comment on these rumors, and 244 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: they are only rumors at this point, Like Lauren said, 245 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: police are not confirming really much of anything, but there 246 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: is evidence. There's social media evidence from one of the 247 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: daughter's instagram a concert that indicates they were in Idaho 248 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: that weekend, and that lines up with some rumors. Nothing 249 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: confirmed on social media that the girls had gone on 250 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: a camping trip that weekend. Okay, yes, you're right, Ellen, 251 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Ellen Colauren, I read that they were hiking. 252 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: It was camping, that's what they were doing. And the 253 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: daughters have made some statement that seems to back up 254 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: the comment on social media. Yes, that's where Idaho. And 255 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: speaking of location, location, location, this is important. We were 256 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: wondering where the bike was discovered and the way that 257 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: the nephew talks about it. Just tell me where was 258 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: the by was it run over or was it what? 259 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: At well, was it tied to a tree? It could 260 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: be anything, But he's so mysterious about the bike. Oh, 261 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: you'll have to ask police about the bike. Why? Why? 262 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: What's unusual about the bike to you? Lauren Sharffe joining 263 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: me from Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs. I understand now 264 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: the bike was found from a bridge close to Suzanne's home. 265 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: Do you know where the bike was found? What bridge? Yeah? 266 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: The sheriff's office has not commented as to the evidence 267 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: that they have. They haven't said where the bike was located, 268 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: even if they've confirmed that the bike has been recovered. 269 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: When I spoke with the nephew, Trevor Noel, he just said, 270 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, asked the sheriff's office for more details, and 271 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: they keep saying because it's an open investigation, they can't disclose. 272 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: What about the bridge? We're now learning the bike was 273 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: recovered from a bridge. Is there a bridge close to 274 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: the home, Lauren? The sheriff's office has not confirmed them. Okay, 275 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: do you know you're Ellen? All I'm asking is is 276 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: there a bridge close to the home. That's all I 277 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: want to know, not does the sheriff say there's a bridge? 278 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: Is there a bridge? Do we know, we don't know 279 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: if there's a bridge knows that. A source told the 280 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: Daily Mail yesterday that the bike was found on a 281 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: bridge very close to her home, but again not source 282 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: didn't say anything about the condition of the bike, and 283 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: up until that point only the nephew has commented about 284 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: the bike at all. Police confirmed that a personal item 285 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: was found in the search, but they did not say 286 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: what it was. I heard you very distinctly say, Alan Colauran, 287 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: the bike was quote on the bridge. That's what you said. 288 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: But is that what the person said or did you paraphrase? 289 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: The source told Daily Email that the bike was found 290 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: on the briefs that's my understanding. I recovered from a bridge. 291 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: And see that's significant. You know why that significant, Doctor 292 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, you're the forensic site because if the bike 293 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: is on the bridge, oh my goodness, Bober, they were 294 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: searching bodies of water. Is a bridge over water? Are 295 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: they suggesting she jumped off a bridge or was the 296 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: bike found under the bridge? With that tell me why 297 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: they're searching water, doctor Daniel Bober. The slightest detail can 298 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: change the course of an investigation. But I don't have 299 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: any reason to think this mom went and jumped off 300 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: the side of a bridge. But explain the details why 301 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: they are so important in a case like this. But 302 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: exactly you said, Nancy, you know if the bike was 303 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: on the bridge versus under the bridge. You know, if 304 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: it's on top of the bridge, then you might think 305 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: about a suicide. If it's under the bridge, you might 306 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: think about a kidnapping. So the slightest details can obviously 307 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: the course of the investigation, Doctor Bobara. If a bike 308 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: was under the bridge, I would not think of a kidnapping. 309 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: Well maybe a kidnapping. I would think someone had killed 310 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: her and hid her bike, or maybe stage the bike 311 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: to look like she was out for a bike ride. 312 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about 313 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: missing mom, Susan Morphew. A lot of confusion, and the 314 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: reason is the police, the sheriffs are not releasing information. 315 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: They don't owe us a dime, They don't need to 316 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: release information. This is an ongoing investigation. But the question 317 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: remains what happened to Susan. More few I want you 318 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: to now take a listen to CBS four Denver. The 319 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: hardest thing. She's a beloved member of her family and 320 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: the sweetest person that you've ever met. The nephew of 321 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: forty nine year old Susanne Moore few talking about what 322 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: it's like to go through the difficulty of a search 323 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: that started after she went missing during a Sunday bike. 324 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: Ry family has said her husband Barry, was out of 325 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: town in Denver. A friend called authorities when more few 326 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: didn't return. The bike was found on Sunday, the day 327 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: as she would missing. The sheriff has not yet shared 328 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: information on the bike, but has told CBS for the 329 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: reason for her disappearances probably not animals. Extensive searching in 330 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: Chaffee County, about twenty miles west of Salida, has not 331 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: brought an answer on what happened to Morephew, Back to 332 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: the bike. Back to the nephew speaking Laura Sharf, I 333 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: understand that when the husband was asked was he ready 334 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: to make a public plea, he said it's too soon, 335 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: and therefore the nephew was doing all the talking. Is 336 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: that correct, Laurence Sharp. Yeah, when we were to ask, 337 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, the family, if we could talk to the 338 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: husband or to them, the nephew was kind of their spokeperson. 339 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: And this week he's kind of been dark. He hasn't 340 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: returned our emails that we sent him for a comment, 341 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: and that's why I reached out to the husband's uncle, 342 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: right right, I want to go now to special guests 343 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: joining us. Susan Constantine, you can find your online body 344 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: language expert, deception expert. The only thing that concerned me, 345 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, is that the husband, who is not a 346 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: person of interest, who is not a suspect, took so 347 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: long to come out in the search for his wife, 348 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: and when he did come out, a issued about a 349 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty five second long play. And I mean, 350 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer, right, you're the expert. But 351 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: I noticed the whole time he was speaking, he was 352 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: shaking his head no, like we miss you so much, 353 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: we love you so much. That concerned me, But that 354 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: could be an innocent mannerism. Way in, Susan Constantine, I 355 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: know you've studied this very carefully. Yes, I did, Nancy. 356 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: And the first thing that I noticed, because of the 357 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: amount of time that he spoke, is purposeful. So for example, 358 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: when people don't want to expand is there's a reason 359 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: behind it, they tend to be very vague. Get to 360 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: the point in that set. So what I'm noticing is 361 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: that he's shaking his head no, which is often attached 362 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: to disbelief, but it continues on. Now Here's where I 363 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: follow It was a little bit odd is that there 364 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 1: was no emphasis with his eyebrows like we miss you, 365 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: I love you, we're looking for you, and it stays 366 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: frozen with his headshaking no throughout. So when I'm putting 367 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: all the pieces together, really causes me to have pause. Okay, Keeves, 368 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: find what you just said one more time. What did 369 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: you say about the eyebrows? Okay, So when you meet someone, 370 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: are you talking to someone, when you're making a point, 371 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: you will raise your eyebrows like think about an eyebrows flashlight, 372 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: I miss you or thinking about you, you have a 373 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: raise of your eyebrows. So it's not a frozen expression. 374 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: Frozen is more staged expressions fleet across your face when 375 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: you're talking, So especially eyebrows are used as an emphasizer 376 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: we love you, we miss you, we're looking for you. 377 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: You know, you would see a quick movement of the eyebrows, 378 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: but the eyebrows stay very static throughout. And that's the 379 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: part that gives me a pause because it appears to 380 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: be staged. Cheryl mccolem, did you hear that. I've heard 381 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: that Nancy, and I'd like to pay you back of 382 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: what she's said. Words are very important to me. And 383 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: he is saying things like the girls need you, you 384 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: don't need her. And the other thing is he's quick 385 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: to say things like whatever it takes, I will pay 386 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: whatever they want. He keeps talking about money. Nobody has 387 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: ransomed her names. He ain't got a letter from anybody, 388 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: nobody's asked him for any money, but he's quick to 389 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: put up one hundred thousand dollars. It seems to me 390 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: like it's all for show. I'm trying to just soak 391 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: in what you just said. Again, husband, not a person 392 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: of interest, not a suspect, Lauren a Sharp joining me 393 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: Fox twenty one. Okay this is yes. No. Is there 394 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: a bridge near her home? I do not know. Okay, 395 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: do you know of a reservoir near her home? A 396 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: body of water? Yeah, there is a body of water 397 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: and the Publo dive team searched it on Sunday. What reservoir? 398 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: Is there an aim to that reservoir? Not that I 399 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: know of. I've seen the photos of the search in 400 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: the reservoir, and there is one I can't really tell, 401 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: maybe seventeen to nineteen miles away from the home. Do 402 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: you know about how far the reservoir is from the home, 403 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: Laurence Sharff, I do not. I'm curious because Cheryl McCollum, 404 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: the bike is found. We've been told near a bridge 405 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: on the bridge under the bridge as you're getting crossing 406 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: the bridge, is it stopped right there? That tells me, 407 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: would tell me a lot if I need the answer. 408 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: But I'm trying to figure out is that bridge near 409 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: the reservoir? And the reason I'm asking because if it is, 410 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: what would that tell you They're searching this body of 411 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: water and that's where the bike's found. Absolutely, and I 412 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: agree with you, Nancy, I want to know the can 413 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: edition of the bike. You know, was it damaged anyway? 414 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: That dirty? Was the kickstand used? Was it laying on 415 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: the ground, was it staged? All of these things are 416 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: gonna you know, again, paying a picture of what happened 417 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: to this poor woman. Back to Lauren shar Fox twenty one, 418 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: Colorado Springs. What can you tell me about the husband 419 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: being in Denver at the time Suzanne goes missing? How 420 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: long had he been there? Was he there for a 421 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: volunteer firefighter class of some sort. The Sheriff's office have 422 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: not commented on that at all, has as anyone learned 423 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: the answer to that without the sheriff telling us, not 424 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: that I know of What more can you tell me 425 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: about the case. Lauren Sharff life spoke with an uncle 426 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: and he's the husband's uncle, and you know he's he 427 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: lives in Indiana, that's where the couple's originally from. And 428 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: he said he even though he hasn't spent the last 429 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: few years seeing them in Colorado since they've moved, he 430 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: believes the husband had absolutely nothing to do with her 431 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: disappearance at Lauren Sharf is absolutely correct. Take a listen 432 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: to Lauren speaking to Bob Morphew. This is the uncle 433 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: of Barry Morphew. I've never seen any kind of the 434 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 1: unhappiness with each other produced me, either one of them. 435 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: So his message to those pointing the finger at Barry, 436 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: I think they can bury the game. So the Morphew 437 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: say they desperately want Suzanne to safely return home. We're 438 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: all terrified about this and no place to find any risk. 439 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: But like I said, everybody loves She's ain't Barry, and 440 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: we know what they're going through, and it's turn on 441 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: our hearts too, because we don't know. We're looking for answers. 442 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: We've pulled up a map of the location, Shackie. What's 443 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: the name of the river? The river? South? What our 444 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: South Arkansas River? And how far is that? I don't know, 445 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: you guys. The closest body of water we see is 446 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: the South Arkansas River. I'm curious also about the impound 447 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. We're talking about the disappearance 448 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: of a young mom, Suzanne more Few. Her two daughters 449 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: are out camping, we believe in Idaho, and we are 450 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: told that on Mother's Day, the husband goes to We've 451 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: been told a volunteer firefighters class in Denver, about one 452 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles away. It's about three hours. Was 453 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: she ever on a bike? Laurence Sharf Fox twenty one, 454 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: Colorado Springs. Is the husband's car impounded? Did cops look 455 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: at it and an investigation? Yes? But the sheriff's office 456 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: has not told us they're confirmed that. Okay, do you 457 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: know or have reason to believe they still have the car? 458 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: I do not know. To you Ellen Clauren. What do 459 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: we know about the car and any cell phone impound? 460 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: Nancy as Lauren said, police have not confirmed anything, but yes, 461 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: there have been unconfirmed reports, unconfirmed reports circulating that that 462 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: a white jeep or suv or some sort of a 463 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: vehicle like that was has been taken by police, along 464 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: with the cell phone that may belong to Barrymorephew, there 465 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: are unconfirmed reports that he has not had his cell 466 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: phone since the very beginning of this. Well, again, that 467 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: does not make him a person of interest or suspect. 468 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: You would expect that to be done pronto. Joining me, 469 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, Forensic psychiatrists on Insta Doctor Daniel Bober, 470 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Bober, I know you heard Susan Constantine, body language 471 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: expert or analyze the husband's movements, facial expressions and words. 472 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: What do you make of it? Bober? Yeah, I mean 473 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: it seems a little superficial on the surface, and I 474 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: was actually more interested about again the words that he 475 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: used and the way that he really didn't reference her. 476 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: He referenced the kids, So it could be something. I 477 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: think it's pretty fascinating. Yeah, I think it's way too 478 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: soon to call anything on his statement. Again. We learned 479 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: that daughter's Mallory and Macy first Racy alarm when they 480 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: couldn't get ahold of their mom on Mother's Day, when 481 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: they kept trying her and couldn't reach her. And I'd 482 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: be curious to find out when they started trying her. 483 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm also curious about the last time outside the family 484 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: she was seeing alive. They call a neighbor. The neighbor 485 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: is the one that tries to reach her and calls 486 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: nine one one. I'm very curious about the dog search, 487 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: Laurence Sharf, Do we have any idea if the dogs 488 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: could track Susanne morpheus scent? Do we know where the 489 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: dogs went where they spotted by media? Yeah, so those 490 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: dogs searches when that was happening early on in the investigation, 491 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: they didn't want anyone searching, like no volunteers they were. 492 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: They did not want any volunteers. But as far as 493 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: where they were searching, it was just around County Road 494 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: two twenty five and west of Highway fifty. Interesting because 495 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: you remember Cheryl McCollum. When Lacy Peterson went missing, tracker 496 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: dogs followed her scent from the home on Covina and 497 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: Modesto all the way to San Francisco Bay. That's a 498 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: long ride, forty five minutes. At least they followed all 499 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: the way. But here, if the dogs did not pick 500 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: up on a scent, that tells me she was never 501 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: on that bike. We don't know what the personal item 502 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: was belonging to her that sheriffs say they found. But 503 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: way in on the dog search, Cheryl, Well, Nancy, you 504 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: know I have a rule. You believe the dogs, and 505 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: it is clear to me they are concentrating now on 506 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: the home. One of the most powerful things to her 507 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: today was the reporter when she said, there are no 508 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: new searches, plants. Their focus is uber focused on that home. 509 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: All of their evidence so far has been that home, 510 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: except for the bicycle question too. This is an open 511 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: question to anybody on the panel. Do we have any 512 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: siding of her on Mother's Day out on her bike 513 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: at all? Why do we even think she was on 514 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: a bike. Where did that come from? Do we have 515 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: an idea on that? Ellen Colaurin, of questions about that, 516 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: they're as far as I know, no one saw her 517 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: on her bike on Mother's Day. And a further that 518 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: we get into this, the more it looks like we're 519 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: not sure when the last time she was seen at all. 520 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: It's I think it's notable that police have not released 521 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: any kind of description of clothes that she was wearing 522 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: or the bike. And when I asked the Sheriff's office, 523 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: you know who last saw her, when did they last year? 524 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: What was she wearing? They haven't said anything. They haven't 525 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: told me. That's very significant, Ellen, Colauren and Lauren Sharp 526 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: very significant And practically every missing person case I've ever covered, 527 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: even if it's wrong, there's a description given of what 528 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: the missing person was wearing. That's very perceptive, and you're 529 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: right on because if that description had been given, cops 530 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: would be looking for that in the home to confirment. 531 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: So let me understand suddenly, Lauren or Allen, to either 532 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: of you know anything about why the husband was in Denver, 533 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: just jump in. There has been nothing confirmed from authorities 534 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: about this again there but there are tons of unconfirmed 535 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: reports in rumors circulating, and they have come down to 536 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: two different things. The most popular unconfirmed report is that 537 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: he went to some type of firefighter training. He is 538 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: some kind of firefighter. It might be a volunteer firefighter, 539 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: but I'm aware just in the last few hours that 540 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: it does seem like a local reporter had tried to 541 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: confirm that and has not been able to confirm that. 542 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: There are other unconfirmed reports and rumors that he was 543 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: at some type of a landscaping job, and we do 544 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: know that he worked as a landscaper in Indiana and 545 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: had some type of landscaping company. But again, authorities have 546 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: said so little and they have not confirmative. Okay, can 547 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: we just give a blanket statement to save everybody some 548 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: breath that the Sheriff's not confirming anything. All right, understood? 549 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: And I know you got to say that because these 550 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: are just circulating. Hey, you don't pick, as you point 551 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: it out laughingly, and you're right, Lauren Sharks. You don't 552 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: pick a theory like you're, you know, voting from a 553 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: sweet potato. It's not like that. You got to have evidence, 554 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: so you're right. These are bits and pieces of information 555 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: that have been leaked or hypothesized. Chary McCallum, I hear 556 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: you jumping in, but I can tell you this much. 557 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: I've been up till four o'clock the last two nights 558 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: trying to find a Firefighter's Volunteer Firefighter convention or classes 559 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: in Denver on Mother's Day, not just Mother's Day a Sunday, 560 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: but where you'd have to leave early that day for 561 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,720 Speaker 1: a three hour trip to a hotel. Okay, go ahead, 562 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. I was just gonna say a quick internet search. 563 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: There was no firefighter or volunteer firefighters class on the 564 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: Colorado Government Firefighters site. The only class who listener made 565 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: eighteen twentieth and make eighteen through saw those. I saw 566 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: the very same thing you're talking about. And he reportedly 567 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: was a volunteer fire fighter. So we've got the car 568 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: possibly still an impound. We've got the cell phone taken, 569 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: the cell phone being taken. It's not unusual, but I 570 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: would amass. You could just do a data dump and 571 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: get all the information shel not. How long would it take. 572 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: I mean you go to Verizon or AT and T 573 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: they transfer all your stuff in about ten minutes. Oh yeah, Well, 574 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: LA law Enforcement has as on data software that they 575 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: can do a data dump on this phone with. It 576 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't take very long at all. It may take a 577 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: little bit longer to analyze things, but the things that 578 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: they're going to be looking for right out of the the 579 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: gay or the communications that occurred on around the date 580 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: that she supposedly went missing in the days before, and 581 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: who she was talking to, whether or not you can 582 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: retrieve any text message date off that phone, something Nancy 583 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: that I found interesting. It's just one more thing that 584 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: raises questions is I read a press release from the 585 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office and they aren't just asking for the community 586 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: to turn over any ring doorbell video or other video 587 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. They were requesting it for the two 588 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: day period prior as well. And one of the one 589 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: of the things that causes so many questions in these cases, 590 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: it seems like the inability to pin down a timeline, 591 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: and as you know, that is so critical because until 592 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: you can pin down exact timeline, you can't start ruling 593 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: people out as possible suspects or persons of interest because 594 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: you don't know where they were at because you don't 595 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: know what time this occurred. Not your dead final thought, 596 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: Sean McCollum, I think the oddest day for a perpetrator 597 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: to be searching for a victim would be Mother's Day. 598 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: That day is odd to me. You and I've been 599 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: doing this a long time, and I can't tell you 600 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: the last time I heard of a mom being kidnapped 601 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: on Mother's Day. I think it is imperative that the 602 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: community release any ring, photograph, any text message, phone call, 603 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: any communication they had with her and the day they 604 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: did it. I told you the first time we call it. 605 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: It's odd to me that the neighbor would call nine 606 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: one one and not the husband. I think it's odd. 607 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: He's offering a hundred thousand dollars, but he's not saying, honey, 608 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: I miss you. He's saying, hey, whatever, it's going to 609 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 1: take money. Wise, y'all, let me know that's an odd thing. 610 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, since nobody asked you, better 611 00:39:54,200 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: start tracking that route between Mazeful Denver. Right now, we 612 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: wait as justice sub fols hold on before I sign off. 613 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 1: Am I missing anything? Lauren Sharff? Do we have anything new? 614 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: And I know the sheriff hasn't confirmed it. Whatever it is, 615 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: hit me, well, Nancy, this is Sheryl. I've got one 616 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: more thing. I'll take the same. Hids her cell phone. 617 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: Did she normally take her phoes while she bikes for 618 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: music or to track her route of some kind of 619 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: exercise app The fact that she didn't have her foe 620 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: is curious to me, Lauren Sharff got anything for me. 621 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: We asked the sheriff as far as is this a 622 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: normal route that you know she takes, and you know, 623 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: he just would say, yeah, you know, she's an avid biker. Actually, 624 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: actually that tells me something because I was wondering if 625 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 1: she normally biked every day or frequently, so that gives 626 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: credence to a theory that she was out biking. I 627 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: was wondering, you know, the last time I got on 628 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: a bike was about a month ago when John David 629 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: got a new bike and I went riding on it. 630 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: So I was curious, could she possibly not even be 631 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: a biker? But you're telling me something I didn't know, 632 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: Ellen Clauren, you got anything to throw at me? Bysically, 633 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 1: I just wanted to point out a question that I 634 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: have at all. It is a question. But in that 635 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: video that Barry morph you share a full week after 636 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: the disappearance, I was surprised that his daughters weren't in 637 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: that video with him. You know what, Allen, I had 638 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: not thought of that. But you're absolutely correct. Okay, this 639 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: case shrouded in mystery, and we are on it. If 640 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: you have information seven one nine three one two seven 641 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: five three repeat seven one nine three one two seven 642 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: five three h Nancy Gray's Crime Story, signing off Goodbye Friend,