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Speaker 2: Dreamers and chasers.
Speaker 1: Is your co host aj Holiday? What's up? Big Tam Bam, y'all.
Speaker 2: I love y'all so much. Keep your chin up today,
Speaker 2: chins high, be optimistic. All good things are.
Speaker 1: Good energy period, chin always high.
Speaker 2: That was your weekend.
Speaker 1: I ain't do nothing this weekend, Like for real, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to this Harlem nice party
Speaker 1: with my significant other and I just didn't he went through.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you?
Speaker 1: Because the ship was in the fucking country and already
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be fucking country. That's why I ain't gonna.
Speaker 2: That's the country. I love country shit.
Speaker 1: No, man, I know country shit. Gonna have some good food.
Speaker 1: Hopefully they would have something for me to eat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I just it wasn't up to it.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been needing to know things. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you want me to do something, you need to tell
Speaker 1: me about it a month in advance, then two weeks
Speaker 1: in advance, then a week in advance, like I really
Speaker 1: have to mentally program myself. That's too much. If I'm
Speaker 1: not mentally there, if I haven't seen myself there in
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm not going. I ain't coming again.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't coming again. So I ain't do shit
Speaker 1: this weekend, child, And.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Shit, just preparing for the week.
Speaker 2: Guess what I'm doing. I'm walking in my boot.
Speaker 1: I finally that ship was off. No, girl, was that
Speaker 1: not two weeks ago? You said you had two more weeks?
Speaker 1: Just over two weeks ago that I had.
Speaker 2: I had to not walk on it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm walking. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that stepdaddy, both that nigga foot broke and his
Speaker 1: knee right now for falling down.
Speaker 2: Damn mm hmm. That's wild and I hate that. I know,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. It's dumb. I've been in this ship. Oh,
Speaker 2: I ain't had to shoot on the right foot since August.
Speaker 1: Your foot little?
Speaker 4: Is it skinny?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little, the whole leg little.
Speaker 1: You would walking outside on it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, not like walking like long distances, Like I'm
Speaker 2: just walk instead of being on the scooter, I'm actually
Speaker 2: walking to the car.
Speaker 1: We're going to be able to take it off.
Speaker 2: Well, I go back to the doctor next Thursday and
Speaker 2: they're gonna do new X rays to see is it
Speaker 2: healing right and what the next steps are. Literally, I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 1: I feel like that shit been off about three months.
Speaker 2: Dogs, it's been nearly three months, except well two months
Speaker 2: September and October, the whole September, the whole October into November,
Speaker 2: so it's been eight weeks. It's it feels like longer
Speaker 2: than that, but it's only been eight weeks. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I was supposed to, you know, been walking on it
Speaker 2: at six but it wasn't healing.
Speaker 1: So so is it healing better? Now?
Speaker 2: When we do these X rays, put your ass in
Speaker 2: the cast, they like, that's what they say. If it
Speaker 2: doesn't heal. And when they have like really walking on
Speaker 2: it without the boot, if it gives me pain, then
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to put a screw in it. So
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that does not happen. So y'all keep
Speaker 2: me prayed up. But I'm going to Paris on Friday,
Speaker 2: they said, I can walk Thursday, I'm leaving. I'm walking
Speaker 2: to a plane, y'all walking over the plate, bitch, I'm going.
Speaker 1: You go to a vacation.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm literally going. I'm gonna leave on Friday. I'm
Speaker 2: coming home on Sunday. I know I'm going with a girl.
Speaker 2: This is a girl's crib, you know, gay, Like I
Speaker 2: ain't that gay. I'm only when I'm like kind of drunk.
Speaker 2: And That's been a long time since I've even been
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: It's like that means something to me. I'm going, like, what.
Speaker 2: Girl? Go to hell? Let's get into scene.
Speaker 1: So did you watch Maggie Stallion documentary because.
Speaker 2: You can? Yeah, I really, And it's pretty much a
Speaker 2: redemption story. It goes from her, you know, talking about
Speaker 2: her beginning, how hard it was losing her mother. We
Speaker 2: really get to dive into that relationship and what that
Speaker 2: looked like for her and how sad that was that
Speaker 2: we dive into that, and then she goes into the
Speaker 2: Gail King conversation that I think we've all seen go by.
Speaker 1: That's the clip I side, yeah, where.
Speaker 2: She basically admits to being dishonest about her sex life
Speaker 2: with Tori, and she was like, I ain't know the
Speaker 2: bitch was going to.
Speaker 3: Ask me that.
Speaker 1: She literally called Gail a bitch because she is a
Speaker 1: bitch for asking that. Like, Okay, you can't conflate the two, right,
Speaker 1: We're here to talk about this man assaulting me and
Speaker 1: shooting at me. Yeah, but you.
Speaker 2: No, there is a butt. The butt is you have
Speaker 2: to assume that this interviewer, Gail King, is going to
Speaker 2: ask the dynamics of the relationship with you and the shooter.
Speaker 2: Why would you assume that they're not gonna ask that.
Speaker 1: So does that negate him shooting at her? No, absolutely
Speaker 1: not whether she had sex with him or not.
Speaker 2: It does not negate anything. But she shouldn't have lied.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it shouldn't have shouldn't have should
Speaker 1: not have been asked.
Speaker 2: If you do this interview, this was a This wasn't
Speaker 2: just about being shot. This was about the relationship with
Speaker 2: this person. This was an interview about the whole happenings.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised I would have been prepared for that question.
Speaker 1: I think her people told Gail not to ask that shit,
Speaker 1: and Gail asked it anyway, because to send her in
Speaker 1: a line of fire like that and her not be
Speaker 1: prepared because she was clearly like, yeah, she was taking
Speaker 1: it sexually like she was not expecting her to ask that,
Speaker 1: and neither would I really, noah, because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: So now what's happening now? Because Meg Stallion lied about
Speaker 1: fucking her, which we all knew it was a lie.
Speaker 1: We knew that was the reason why her and her
Speaker 1: friend was beefing. We knew the nigga was a problem.
Speaker 1: So rather she told Gail that or not, we knew
Speaker 1: the truth, right. But now what the public gets to
Speaker 1: do is say, see none of the bubble. She's a liar,
Speaker 1: and that's why it's okay for her to get shot at.
Speaker 2: It's not okay, but she should have been honest. If
Speaker 2: you're gonna come on that interview, you can't tell half truth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: tell the truth. This is what happened, This is what
Speaker 2: it is, and this is and he deserved to be
Speaker 2: in jail because of this. She don't have to catch
Speaker 2: me on.
Speaker 1: Two drunk nights. People I thot that they like twice
Speaker 1: and each time he was catching me drunk. So I
Speaker 1: think she did have a drinking problem. I think that
Speaker 1: she contributed to some of the things that happened.
Speaker 2: To her that night. Absolutely mm hm shit everybody most
Speaker 2: of us allow wing shit pop off. There was some
Speaker 2: intoxication involved, in drugs involved. He wasn't in our clearest mind.
Speaker 2: Absolutely No. I done called a body dronk before you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying body, I ain't really was supposed
Speaker 2: to catch.
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't never catch and want drunk. I
Speaker 1: caught a body that I had done had before, and
Speaker 1: I ain't got no business fucking on and I'm doing
Speaker 1: it because I'm drunk. But I never just caught a
Speaker 1: stray body because I've been drinking, not.
Speaker 2: A stray body because I would you think she considered
Speaker 2: him a stray body. No, she knew him. That was cool.
Speaker 2: It just kind of happened stray body.
Speaker 1: I mean like first time dick drunk.
Speaker 2: You ain't never had first time dick drunk.
Speaker 1: No, never, It's intentional. If I fuck on a nigga,
Speaker 1: it's not like I fucked him because I was drunk.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, okay, I'm about to say, damn you
Speaker 2: get all your big sober.
Speaker 1: It's boring and we talk about that. Absolutely, not like
Speaker 1: well back in the day before I started like experimenting
Speaker 1: with the weed, Like, yeah, I probably had a lot
Speaker 1: of sober sex, but it's intentional. If I if I
Speaker 1: fuck on a nigga rarether I'm drunk or not, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be I'm not. It's never gonna be a
Speaker 1: blaming on an alcohol type situation, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But it would be like I've I call this body
Speaker 2: earlier than I intended, dude, because.
Speaker 1: It might as well keep sucking you go together. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can see why she should have told
Speaker 1: the truth truth. I just I hate now the public opinion.
Speaker 1: It extends even further right right now because people think
Speaker 1: they got an AHA on her.
Speaker 2: She put the doc.
Speaker 1: Is it a lie if you eventually tell it.
Speaker 2: You yeah, still, Ali, we know you lying though, I know.
Speaker 2: But that's that's what made it worse because everybody was like.
Speaker 1: All the men were like that, mm hmm. But I
Speaker 1: rather or not she fucked this man or not. He
Speaker 1: had no business shooting at her. And then the next
Speaker 1: thing is, oh, she you know, people are saying that
Speaker 1: he shot her. He didn't shoot her, right, but he
Speaker 1: definitely shot at her and caused her harm m.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Period. They showed the fragments in her foot on the
Speaker 2: documentary and then she goes on to you know, talk
Speaker 2: about her relationship with the homegirl and how that dissolved.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if between me and you, I
Speaker 2: don't know if she took as much as accountability as
Speaker 2: I would have liked it. You know, but you know,
Speaker 2: because it takes my grandma said, it takes two links
Speaker 2: of the chain for the chain of rattle, one link
Speaker 2: care rattle by itself, So you know, you gotta own
Speaker 2: your ship too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna watch it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like, I.
Speaker 1: Just feel like it's something that didn't need a documentary for.
Speaker 2: I watched you because.
Speaker 1: Not you, the mic bitch.
Speaker 2: I'm tired last night. Yes, I was get into that
Speaker 2: watching the election, but I only watched that documentary because
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt the season ended, so I ain't got nothing
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 1: Everybody but on that reasonable doubt shit, boy, every bitch
Speaker 1: I know has been watching that shit.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad because season one didn't get that much
Speaker 2: love as it should have. But now it's like everybody's
Speaker 2: like popping. Yeah, happy to hear that. So what else happened?
Speaker 2: Speaking of being tired, did you stay up for the
Speaker 2: election last night?
Speaker 1: Actually I was at a watch party. So I attended
Speaker 1: a watch party last night. Senator Dionne Ted Teddor you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. He he's I think he
Speaker 1: lives in Columbia. Actually he's in Charleston, but he had
Speaker 1: a watch party last night. I actually went to two
Speaker 1: different places for watch parties. We ended there though, that's
Speaker 1: where more than more professional people would have been, and
Speaker 1: we came in there with Jordan's on and ship. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched the election, and yeah, I like the results.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people are upset about it.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, to me, right, I would not
Speaker 1: have I'm seeing a lot of people online like crying
Speaker 1: and stuff like that if Kamala had one, if Kamala
Speaker 1: had won the presidency, right, I would not girl by
Speaker 1: it's a curse. I would not be sad this morning
Speaker 1: because regardless of what my life is going as still,
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna be optimistic and move forward like no
Speaker 1: matter who the president is. And that's what I want
Speaker 1: to see black people do, right, I want to see
Speaker 1: black people get out of the victim mentality a little
Speaker 1: bit and just realize that we are responsible for our lineage,
Speaker 1: We are responsible for our futures. Nobody else, nobody else is,
Speaker 1: no matter who the president is. One thing, one takeaway,
Speaker 1: and I'll let you go. I do not like seeing
Speaker 1: the divisiveness that's happening online between black men and women,
Speaker 1: because most black men voted for Kamala. So for for
Speaker 1: different I unfollowed the one last blog I was following.
Speaker 1: I unfollowed them this morning because they were putting up
Speaker 1: like tweets and nasty videos that black women were putting
Speaker 1: up talking to black men about having not voted for Kamala,
Speaker 1: and it's just not true. Seventy nine percent of black
Speaker 1: men voted for her. So where y'all getting this number?
Speaker 1: From y'all now allowing whoever whatever, social era engineering, big
Speaker 1: machine divide us even more, and it's just fucked up.
Speaker 1: That's the part I don't like about this election.
Speaker 2: I agree, I'm not happy with the result, but you know,
Speaker 2: the American public has spoken and this is who they
Speaker 2: saw fit to be our next president. I think if
Speaker 2: you're angry about it, what you need to do one
Speaker 2: is pick your chin up. You know that is first
Speaker 2: and foremost. We are descendants of the people who have
Speaker 2: survived Jim Crow, slavery, the Middle Passage, what have you.
Speaker 2: So we'll survive this. You know. We are resilient people
Speaker 2: and we are the dream of our ancestors. So this
Speaker 2: is just part for the course. As far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 2: and I think if you're upset, then what you should
Speaker 2: do is get more involved in your low as littlement
Speaker 2: get more involved in the classrooms, get more involved in
Speaker 2: your church, get more involved in state houses, local houses,
Speaker 2: your municipalities, all the things. That is what needs to
Speaker 2: be done, you know, So moving forward, I mean that's
Speaker 2: all you can do.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: You cast your vote. You know, everybody's entitled to their
Speaker 2: vote or to not vote. That is also their right,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So people getting attacked for not participating in the system.
Speaker 2: And that's their right too. So you know, chin up,
Speaker 2: Chin up, buttercup. That's all I can say.
Speaker 1: I think collectively, also black people, we need to refocus.
Speaker 1: Me and my homegirl, we have been doing this thing
Speaker 1: every day, refocused, refocused, right, we need to refocus and
Speaker 1: decide what is most important among us, right, I think
Speaker 1: that we focus on a lot of bullshit we don't
Speaker 1: focus on education enough, we don't focus on financial literacy enough.
Speaker 1: Them even being able to use entertainers to appease to
Speaker 1: us in a selection, to me is like a slap
Speaker 1: in the face. We have a lot of intellectuals amongst
Speaker 1: the Black community. Why not engage those people? Right? But
Speaker 1: I think black they know we love to be entertained.
Speaker 1: We love to laugh, we love to play, and this
Speaker 1: is what happened when you just love the laugh and play.
Speaker 2: But I think they tried to reach out to everybody,
Speaker 2: all the voters, because there are voters who just want
Speaker 2: to be entertained. You know, there were one the intellectuals.
Speaker 2: There were platforms and forums for that too. You just
Speaker 2: had to go look for those. You know, you had
Speaker 2: to bear a witness to those. And if you were
Speaker 2: one of the ones who were looking for Glorilla to
Speaker 2: give you god, it's she was there, you know. So,
Speaker 2: I mean it just was all one thing. I will say.
Speaker 2: You know, my hat goes off to Kamala. She had
Speaker 2: hundred days to campaign and she still was able to
Speaker 2: get close to half of the Yeah, a lot of marketing, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she did exceptional. I wish that we had picked a
Speaker 2: democratic candidate a long time ago, instead of waiting for
Speaker 2: Joe Biden to drop out with one hundred days left. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know that was the mistake that was made if
Speaker 2: we had a clear cut candidate that we all could
Speaker 2: get behind, because that was the failure as far as
Speaker 2: I'm concerned with Democrats in this election, But I agree also, I.
Speaker 1: Also want to also just try not to pick sides.
Speaker 1: For real. You gotta be able to see what the
Speaker 1: fuck is going on on both sides of things, right
Speaker 1: when you when you pick sides, you neglect to see
Speaker 1: the side you think you on. You neglect to see
Speaker 1: what it is that they're doing, and a vice versa. Right,
Speaker 1: So try to stay in the middle so you can
Speaker 1: see all points of view because there I'm not a Republican,
Speaker 1: nor am I a Democrat, nor am I an Independent
Speaker 1: or Green Party or none of that shit I'm going
Speaker 1: to do would make sense for me, right, so if
Speaker 1: there was a Democratic candidate who would because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people, this is the other thing I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: like people are saying like, oh, she's a woman. This
Speaker 1: is why they're blaming black men for Kamala not getting
Speaker 1: into office. And they're also saying like they didn't want
Speaker 1: to vote vote for it because she's a woman. That
Speaker 1: is not the case. I feel like if Michelle Obama
Speaker 1: would have ran for president, half most of the country
Speaker 1: plus the world and who else want to be involved
Speaker 1: in US politics would be behind Michelle Obama. So it
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with her being a woman. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: So I feel like just the it's just weird. Like
Speaker 1: you said, get involved, I plan to get involved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I'm more motivated to get involved than
Speaker 2: I've ever been before after this election, And I hope
Speaker 2: this election encourages us all to be more involved in
Speaker 2: our local our local government, you know, Okay, that's.
Speaker 1: What matters most, That's what matters most. So I I mean,
Speaker 1: I know in this particular election, abortion was one of
Speaker 1: the biggest things. Right it's now on a state level.
Speaker 1: If you don't agree with your state's abortion liized, you
Speaker 1: need to make sure you get to the polls when
Speaker 1: the local elections come up, because it's in the state's hands,
Speaker 1: which I think personally that's where it belongs, right, So
Speaker 1: you can still do the things. You just have to
Speaker 1: be informed on what it is that's actually going on,
Speaker 1: especially on a local level.
Speaker 2: But what I really feel like, now this might be
Speaker 2: hear me out, y'all, we really have the power if
Speaker 2: we collectively stop fucking, we could demand whatever we shyraq
Speaker 2: the man, whatever we wanted, if we could all collectively
Speaker 2: decided we're about to in humanity, because that's what essentially
Speaker 2: would happened. If we stop having sex, we could end humanity, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a group of people who may be
Speaker 1: trying to do that, and it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with if there's already an attack on women, right, So
Speaker 1: I feel like there's already an attack like to end humanity,
Speaker 1: and people may not see it because there's an attack
Speaker 1: on women from all sides, right, from all sides. So
Speaker 1: for me, you can't mention abortion and the black maternal
Speaker 1: mortality rate and the same sentence. It just doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense to me, because one we're talking about wanting to
Speaker 1: keep life right, and there's this mechanism and these evil
Speaker 1: people in place fucking with it right, right, And then
Speaker 1: the other one is a supposed choice, right, you're choosing
Speaker 1: life or you're choosing death. I think everybody should try
Speaker 1: to choose life. Black women period, we under attack, yes,
Speaker 1: from all sides. We just we just are.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I agree, and that's why the odds were
Speaker 2: stacked Kyli against Kamla, and that's why I just think
Speaker 2: she did an excellent job with what she had. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean, one hundred days in your black woman, Black
Speaker 2: Indian woman, you know, it's stacked against you.
Speaker 1: But okay, we're going to leave race out of it, okay,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: out there that beg to differ, right, and then now
Speaker 1: that's also like that's a thing that they've been using
Speaker 1: to push the divisiveness. Right, what is black? I think
Speaker 1: black people need to establish what it is to be
Speaker 1: black now in America?
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I think we do need and we should keep a
Speaker 2: little bit, I think, and you know, and that's important
Speaker 2: the conversation we're going to have a little earlier, I
Speaker 2: mean later in the episode, because I think we need
Speaker 2: to be freedmen. Let's let's define blackness. Let's define what
Speaker 2: black is in this country for sure.
Speaker 1: So that's enough on the election, y'all, y'all listen, I
Speaker 1: don't got some real life hate mail, okay, And I
Speaker 1: really be holding back. I feel like on we talked
Speaker 1: back and I've had to block a few people, but
Speaker 1: I definitely screenshot your fucking name in your face so
Speaker 1: I know exactly who you are because I have to
Speaker 1: smack your ass in real fucking life. So there's that part.
Speaker 1: But anyway, y'all, fuck is home. Bit ch'all told y'all, niggas,
Speaker 1: I told y'all, niggas.
Speaker 2: You said that I was definitely about to sigga.
Speaker 1: It's crazy having a ride a scientist and gets some dick.
Speaker 2: I know, I was thinking about her, like I know
Speaker 2: her pussy door.
Speaker 1: People hating that girl for not going to work. What
Speaker 1: I'm about to go work on this dick? Okay, y'all
Speaker 1: will be marr.
Speaker 2: And I just I think that that trial was interesting
Speaker 2: because Woody was the reason they got jammed up and.
Speaker 1: When he got out, that boy, shit, man, he's the
Speaker 1: worst and he's like man, I told all type of Liyes,
Speaker 1: that makes the little truth with the with a lie.
Speaker 1: We talked about twenty fifteen a long time ago.
Speaker 2: He don't seem like the brightest crown in the box,
Speaker 2: so can we more than that from him? Yeah? He
Speaker 2: said the demons had a hold of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people have demons. You know, they're battling demons.
Speaker 2: You know, I pray for everyone.
Speaker 1: I just don't know what young Thugs now is supposed
Speaker 1: to do with the rest of his career for real, now,
Speaker 1: I don't know rap about nothing.
Speaker 2: Butterfly in that's high.
Speaker 1: You gonna go ahead, keep going.
Speaker 2: I can't go twice. Its highly.
Speaker 1: Read their ray hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have to talk about.
Speaker 1: He better can start being like Kendrick Lamar. Okay, you
Speaker 1: your music gonna have to have substance.
Speaker 2: This is well it should it should should.
Speaker 1: You need to hold people at higher standard. I think,
Speaker 1: like we talked about in another episode, like that Drove rap,
Speaker 1: shit is dead. These people are coming coming for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think about it. It's just the sound.
Speaker 2: It's just so terrible. Like there's a rapper from here,
Speaker 2: a little Dicky. I'm a fan of his music. He dope,
Speaker 2: but the song that like, we got to listen to
Speaker 2: the things that we're promoting. Like it's like so casually
Speaker 2: talking about killing each other is crazy, Like.
Speaker 1: It's a whole curse. It's a spelling. You're just saying it.
Speaker 1: You're just saying it every day while you're working out,
Speaker 1: walking like you just quoting the words, like just saying like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you gotta have some self awareness and realize,
Speaker 1: like it's not just words, it's not Your.
Speaker 2: Tongue is a wand it's a powerful wand and what
Speaker 2: you speak is it can be a curse or bless us.
Speaker 2: Be mindful of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm I'm happy that. And I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say young Thug is just like the super innocent dude,
Speaker 1: because I heard he was indeed the boogeyman, Okay, but
Speaker 1: the way in which they rail rolled him the last
Speaker 1: two years was really disgusting. I did see Fanny Willis
Speaker 1: was reelected as state prosecutor in Georgia, but I just
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I feel like we talk about
Speaker 1: luncheon and hanging and all this stuff when it comes
Speaker 1: to black people, but it's a lot of black faces
Speaker 1: doing it now. White people no longer have to do
Speaker 1: it because they have now put these frontmen into place
Speaker 1: who look like us, but they ain't us a lot
Speaker 1: of the times. And I'm not saying like she shouldn't
Speaker 1: clean the streets up, but I feel like they were
Speaker 1: trying to take that nigga house. They want his assets.
Speaker 1: That's more of what it was about money. It was
Speaker 1: more about money than actually cleaning the streets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only thing. I want, a safe place
Speaker 2: for our children to grow up in. You know, I
Speaker 2: want the music. I just hope there's a paradigm shift
Speaker 2: before we have kids that are grown where the consciousness
Speaker 2: is just so different that the music.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's enough elevation, it's coming. New Earth is definitely
Speaker 1: on the way. I feel it. I feel it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and women, we gotta have the baby to have
Speaker 1: a future.
Speaker 2: Right or stop having babies until we get our demands met. No,
Speaker 2: not even about the babies. Stop fucking yeah, stop having
Speaker 2: sex period. I'm telling if we collectively stop having sex
Speaker 2: and said no more, our reproductive rights are under attack.
Speaker 2: We can't have sex. I can't have sex at a
Speaker 2: time like this. If all of us said that, we
Speaker 2: could demand watch Iraq, that's what that movie was about. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: We could demand whatever we want. We could demand a.
Speaker 1: Lot of these niggas like Bookie. Now, okay, they ain't
Speaker 1: even studying.
Speaker 2: They would have to if we did that.
Speaker 1: They're already doing it. Okay, we just front men for
Speaker 1: some of them. A beard for some of these dudes.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you how the world would be in
Speaker 2: up or if all the pussy closed down. Talk about
Speaker 2: the stock market crash, the pussy crash.
Speaker 1: You remember the pussy crash the four That was a
Speaker 1: wild time. I mean, there was no pussy to be found.
Speaker 2: It was rough. It would be a history stupid yo.
Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, But listen, today we have I'm calling
Speaker 1: him congressman. Okay, even though he was not elected, I
Speaker 1: did vote for him. Okay, mis Marcel Dixon. We have him,
Speaker 1: and we talked that. We talked back this week. We're
Speaker 1: talking uh, reparations because that is one thing we did
Speaker 1: not see on the ballot.
Speaker 2: And that's what we deserve and that's what we're old.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, y'all. This is a really good conversation. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Okay, So y'all, today we have a truly inspiring guests
Speaker 1: joining us. He's known for his fierce advocacy and unwavering
Speaker 1: commitment to justice. He's a dedicated educator, activist. He's South
Speaker 1: Carolina native South Cakilaki stand up. He's a passionate voice
Speaker 1: for a perative justice and economic empowerment within black communities.
Speaker 1: He's fears fearlessly champion causes that matter with a focus
Speaker 1: on uplifting and inspiring change. His insight and authenticity resonate
Speaker 1: within with with people across the nation. So welcome to
Speaker 1: the show, Congressman Dixon, because we be manifesting and we
Speaker 1: talk back.
Speaker 4: Okay, welcome, thank you all for having me.
Speaker 1: How you doing this evening? What part of South Carolina
Speaker 1: are you from.
Speaker 4: I'm from a town called Ridgeland, which is down by
Speaker 4: Charleston and Savannah, Georgia.
Speaker 1: So I'm Charleston.
Speaker 4: Oh really, Okay, yeah, I'm from Ridgeland. Then, so right
Speaker 4: by you Ford, South Carolina, Bluffton, South Carolina, and Savannah, Georgia,
Speaker 4: right on the border of Chatham County, Georgia. Yes, yes, but.
Speaker 2: There's a prison there.
Speaker 1: That's what I do know.
Speaker 4: About, infamous prison.
Speaker 2: Yes, hit originally hard too.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, rwers get hard by a lot of
Speaker 4: catastrophes like flooding when the tropical Storm Debbie, Hurricane Heleen.
Speaker 4: We always get a lot of bad flooding. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a very small town that's not far from Savannah, Georgia. Youford,
Speaker 4: South Carolina, yep?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, se y'all.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have mister Dixon on and talk about
Speaker 1: reparations because this is something that's very important for most
Speaker 1: black people. It should be anyway, right, because we need
Speaker 1: our coins. Okay, this is the longest overdue bill in history,
Speaker 1: and this country has been built on the backs of
Speaker 1: black people, and we've literally been saying four hundred years
Speaker 1: for the last worn years. So when we don't get
Speaker 1: our gust too. So I came across, not even came across,
Speaker 1: because I've seen you on I'm on Twitter Ax a lot,
Speaker 1: so I've seen a lot of your spaces on Twitter.
Speaker 1: And then one of my one of my good friends,
Speaker 1: he sends me your content a lot, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: the last video you had out went viral in regards
Speaker 1: to reparations. So I wanted to have you on a
Speaker 1: I have a little brief chat about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, can I ask a question before we get directly
Speaker 2: into reparations. You seem like a fairly young black man.
Speaker 2: You could have gone and played sports or done a
Speaker 2: lot of different things. What made you choose politics?
Speaker 4: Not not really that young any longer, but and I
Speaker 4: gotta suck at sports, but thank you, I didn't really
Speaker 4: choose politics. I feel that it trols me. I was
Speaker 4: very unhappy and I still am with a lot of
Speaker 4: the candidates that we have running for office nationwide, and
Speaker 4: a lot of people are you know, you look at Congress.
Speaker 4: Congress has like an approval rating of thirteen percent. And
Speaker 4: in my district for the US House of Representatives, James
Speaker 4: Clyburn is my representative. And you know, I found out
Speaker 4: that South Carolina District six, which is still a majority
Speaker 4: black district, it's the sixth poorest district in the United
Speaker 4: States of America out of four hundred and thirty five
Speaker 4: districts total, and yet it's almost the poorest place. It's
Speaker 4: almost the poorest place to live, and yet Congressman Clyburn
Speaker 4: has been there for thirty two years. So I was
Speaker 4: very unhappy with the representation we were receiving. And when
Speaker 4: I confronted him then I asked about reparation and things
Speaker 4: of that nature. I didn't really like his response, and
Speaker 4: I kept saying to myself, if we as Americans or
Speaker 4: whatever background, we're so unhappy with the people we have
Speaker 4: in office, why are we not trying to run for
Speaker 4: office ourselves and replace those people we have? In office.
Speaker 4: Very few people step up to do that, and I
Speaker 4: decided I didn't want to be like the average person.
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to run for office. I couldn't
Speaker 4: find a better option, so I say, well, I'll be
Speaker 4: the beat option anger in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all need to get involved, for sure, because
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people politics is like a
Speaker 1: big thing. People talk about it, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't get involved. They just sit in the background,
Speaker 1: oftentimes with the opinion and yeah, so you know that's
Speaker 1: something I'm interested in the future too. Maybe I can
Speaker 1: back you up, we can collaborate and.
Speaker 2: Do something nice, and I'll vote for you because I
Speaker 2: will not participate.
Speaker 1: I can't be on the front lines now, but I'll
Speaker 1: be in the back, like you know some low yeah
Speaker 1: fighting people in the.
Speaker 4: Background, putting yourself out there. Trust me, it's unnerving. I
Speaker 4: kind of thought a lot about the ramifications of the
Speaker 4: decision I was going to make. You know, your life
Speaker 4: will be out there, your face will be out there.
Speaker 4: My volunteers, they've sent out on maybe twenty thousand flyers
Speaker 4: this election. I ran last year, last election season, I'm
Speaker 4: running this time. So just this election season alone, prosing
Speaker 4: out twenty thousand flyers. It's probably been like sixty thousand
Speaker 4: text messages. I've been on commercials, I've done interviews. Obviously
Speaker 4: it's a little unnerving when you know your face and
Speaker 4: your name is out there people are looking at it.
Speaker 4: But I really had to consider those things, and my
Speaker 4: attitude is there's no way I can lose. See when
Speaker 4: I started off, I had zero supporters. It was really
Speaker 4: just me. I woke up one day. I'm a school teacher,
Speaker 4: never ran for politics, never voted before, never really got
Speaker 4: involved in politics. Like you said, I had an opinion.
Speaker 4: I had a strong opinion about a lot of things,
Speaker 4: but I was never really a political never really wanted
Speaker 4: to be. So I went from one extreme not being
Speaker 4: involved at all to the other extreme being completely involved.
Speaker 4: But even if I don't quote unquote when the election,
Speaker 4: what I'm proud of is that I've helped educate people
Speaker 4: about the things about wish. I'm passionate why I feel
Speaker 4: the way I do, and why I feel that my
Speaker 4: stance on issues is the stance that we should have,
Speaker 4: and reparations is one of those premier issues. It is
Speaker 4: the premire issue of my campaign. Like you mentioned, justice,
Speaker 4: my slogan is justice for all or justice for none.
Speaker 4: We can't have it both ways. We can't do reparations
Speaker 4: for all these other groups that we have done it for,
Speaker 4: and we're doing it for now, but we're not doing
Speaker 4: it for the group that has really been through the most,
Speaker 4: and that are those who are freemen or the Black
Speaker 4: Americans who are descendence of the emancipated.
Speaker 1: So let's get into that a little bit about freedman.
Speaker 1: So educate our listeners a bit about because this is
Speaker 1: the type of history I like to get into the
Speaker 1: history of self for listeners who don't know exactly what
Speaker 1: freedmen are? Can you can you let us.
Speaker 2: Know before you answer. I just want to see this.
Speaker 2: I think I got all sixty thousand of your text messages.
Speaker 3: I think they are really Yeah, away from him, listen,
Speaker 3: I'd be responding back to them text messages because I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say you on myself on Bill in a minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people do respond. Some people just troll and they
Speaker 4: say thing. You know, you can tell they're just trolling.
Speaker 4: But people do respond and interstic responses.
Speaker 2: I just had to say that free men.
Speaker 4: Freeman is pretty much a political status, a status or
Speaker 4: it's like a class. For example, if you are a veteran,
Speaker 4: that's a status. That's a special class you belong to.
Speaker 4: From the perspective of the federal government, if you're a
Speaker 4: disabled person, that's a status like they have the Department
Speaker 4: of Veterans Affairs. They have specific programs set aside with
Speaker 4: people are disabled. We all the best example are Native
Speaker 4: American tribes. You know, we have the muskoge or the Creek.
Speaker 4: We have the Seminoles, they have the k Alcohols, they
Speaker 4: have the Cherokees, we have the Catawa. Those tribal names
Speaker 4: are really statuses, and Native Americans get special programs that
Speaker 4: are just for them based on their status there. They
Speaker 4: don't get just one large program for all of them.
Speaker 4: It depends on their status. For example, not Old get this,
Speaker 4: the Cherokee get this, the Seminole get this. So if
Speaker 4: you are a black person in America who is a
Speaker 4: descendant of a person who was emancipated from American slavery,
Speaker 4: you have a special status called Freeman. And they passed
Speaker 4: legislation for us in eighteen sixty five, the Freeman Bureau Acts.
Speaker 4: They did one and then they did two, and it's
Speaker 4: set up an office called the Freemen's Bureau. I'm sure
Speaker 4: if we do our research, a lot of us have ancestors.
Speaker 4: We will file the Freeman's Bureau. I have found countless
Speaker 4: relatives who receive services from the Freemen's Bureau. In order
Speaker 4: to receive services from the Freeman's Bureau, which was an
Speaker 4: agency of the government, you had to be a freeman.
Speaker 4: You had to have that status. Now, of course they
Speaker 4: did away with the Freeman's Bureau, but the Freeman's status
Speaker 4: was never rescinded, so we still have that status now,
Speaker 4: it's just not one we've been using. People think reparations
Speaker 4: is erasing, it's not. There's no such thing in America
Speaker 4: that would be constitutional as reparations for black people. Because
Speaker 4: maybe if this was back in eighteen hundreds, all the
Speaker 4: black people in America were black Americans, were people who
Speaker 4: were either formerly enslaved or had just been emancipated at
Speaker 4: the end of the Civil War.
Speaker 1: Now, so you don't subscribe to the notion that black
Speaker 1: people already existed in America and that potentially the people
Speaker 1: who were already here were then enslaved as well. Because
Speaker 1: even with Freedman, a lot of people, because I mean,
Speaker 1: for my studies. I know that slavery was predominantly in
Speaker 1: the South, right, So Twelve Years of Slave is a
Speaker 1: perfect movie, right. I don't know if y'all ever seen it.
Speaker 2: There was a plage there.
Speaker 1: He was a free black man with family, white friends
Speaker 1: and all of that, and lived up north. He was
Speaker 1: tricked into slavery and ended up in the South for
Speaker 1: twelve years until a white guy came on the plantation
Speaker 1: and he told this guy his story, and then he
Speaker 1: went back up north and told his white friends and
Speaker 1: they came down and got him right. So he was
Speaker 1: tricked into slavery after slavery basically was supposed to have
Speaker 1: supposedly had ended in the South. So do you not
Speaker 1: subscribe to the notion that, you know, everybody may not
Speaker 1: be descended of slaves. And maybe that's why they always
Speaker 1: say reparations has to be studied.
Speaker 4: You know, well, I do believe that black people have
Speaker 4: always been here in this land mass. You know, when
Speaker 4: I was in school, they used to teachers that black
Speaker 4: people were everywhere, and even though I never thought much
Speaker 4: about it, it kind of hit me one day, a like,
Speaker 4: so we were everywhere. That would include North America as well.
Speaker 4: But the cool thing about the freeman's status. It doesn't
Speaker 4: matter if you are a descendant of a person who
Speaker 4: was a ready indigenous to the land, or you are
Speaker 4: the son of a person who came over on these
Speaker 4: slave ships as a result of the Transatlantic slave from
Speaker 4: the coast of Africa, whether it's the West coast or
Speaker 4: Central Africa. What matters is that if you were here before,
Speaker 4: well at the end of the Civil War, automatically you
Speaker 4: are a freedman because when that ended, you were old
Speaker 4: a debt because you went through American slavery, you then
Speaker 4: went through or the danger of being enslave. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it really doesn't matter if your ancestors a person who's
Speaker 4: indigenous or your ancestors a person who came from the
Speaker 4: continent of Africa. More than likely, I think most freedomen
Speaker 4: we have a mixture of both. We'll probably have native
Speaker 4: blood and we probably have blood of people who came
Speaker 4: over on the slave ships. But what is the most
Speaker 4: important thing is that your ancestor was in this nation
Speaker 4: at the end of the Civil War, because it was
Speaker 4: then where America should have paid us for all the
Speaker 4: labor we did in building this nation and defitting this
Speaker 4: nation and they did not. Instead, not only did they
Speaker 4: not hate us, they actually continue to terrorize us. They
Speaker 4: did black holes, which would become Jim Crow and their
Speaker 4: cobs racial massacre. They used imminent domain to take our land,
Speaker 4: and when that didn't work, they were burned down our
Speaker 4: black wall streets, or they will flood them, or they
Speaker 4: will put railroads through them or highways through them. They
Speaker 4: did medical experimentations on us. I mentioned my great grandfather
Speaker 4: in the video that went viral, how he was a
Speaker 4: World War two vet. He just died like last month,
Speaker 4: and yet he never received his portion of the GI Bill.
Speaker 4: The GI Bill was a bill that was given to
Speaker 4: World War Two vets that helped them to become homeowners,
Speaker 4: helped them become college educated professionals. They receive pensions. It's
Speaker 4: pretty much credited with building the modern day American middle class.
Speaker 4: Only I think. I think at the most six thousand
Speaker 4: and black American World War two vets receive benefits of
Speaker 4: the GI Bill out of like millions of US that
Speaker 4: actually fought, whereas fifteen million white American World War two
Speaker 4: vets receive the giveils. That means they were able to
Speaker 4: acquire wealth that they passed down to their loved ones.
Speaker 4: I've always said if people can inherit wealth, people can
Speaker 4: also inherit the debt. People who are against reparations, I
Speaker 4: say to them, Okay, so if you've inherited anything from
Speaker 4: your parent, whether it's homes, whether there's whatever kind of asset, stocks, bars, property, cars,
Speaker 4: maybe even a bit of position of business, you need
Speaker 4: to give all that up. Okay, Because you're saying that
Speaker 4: I do not have an inheritance for which I should receive.
Speaker 4: That means you should not have it either. So it's
Speaker 4: not just the fact that we did not get our
Speaker 4: debt paid immediately at the end of the Civil War.
Speaker 4: Is that this nation continued to terrorize us. And when
Speaker 4: I hear, especially some white people I speak with, they'll say, well,
Speaker 4: I'm a poor white person. So it's not that i've
Speaker 4: here in white privilege. It's not about it's not saying
Speaker 4: that white people don't have issues. It's not saying that
Speaker 4: any other group doesn't have issues. It's not even saying
Speaker 4: that America hasn't done other groups wrong. But I'm not
Speaker 4: focusing on these other groups right now. Once we have
Speaker 4: to focus on ourselves and the question to ask if
Speaker 4: you have problems in your life. Is it a result
Speaker 4: of the American government depriving you of your constitutional rights?
Speaker 4: The only group that can actually say yesterday are those
Speaker 4: of us who are freemen, because all these other groups
Speaker 4: Native Americans, Japanese who are interned, the downwinders, for those
Speaker 4: who know who the downwinders are, those are people who
Speaker 4: are exposed to radiation as a result of America testing
Speaker 4: nuclear arms, and they received They have physical elements, and
Speaker 4: their kids and grandchildren have physical elements, so they are
Speaker 4: still getting paid today. The Guamenians, the Iranian hostages, even today,
Speaker 4: you know Simone Bows, the Olympic gold medalists, even she's
Speaker 4: about to get reparations. Some other young ladies because they
Speaker 4: were sexually abused and the FBI failed to investigate the
Speaker 4: accusations of sexual abuse that they made, so they're about
Speaker 4: to get paid reparations. All of the groups get paid
Speaker 4: compensation for the wrong that the federal government, not any Pherson,
Speaker 4: but the federal government is done to them except us.
Speaker 4: So we can actually look at our dada and say
Speaker 4: we are old. We have yet to be paid. You've
Speaker 4: done it for others, now you owe it to us too.
Speaker 2: Why do you think the federal government is keeping freemen
Speaker 2: from reparations.
Speaker 4: Well, for one, this government has a long history more
Speaker 4: than any the group going after us more than any
Speaker 4: other group. So it's just something that's embedded in this nation.
Speaker 4: You know how they like to say that slavery was
Speaker 4: this country's original sin. Well, the issue of slavery was
Speaker 4: always built on the concept of us being inferior of
Speaker 4: the fact that you know, slavery was beneficial for us. Remember,
Speaker 4: they even tried to do that way, it was beneficial,
Speaker 4: you know, with Jim Crow. They will tell us that
Speaker 4: it wasn't that bad or that was a long time ago,
Speaker 4: even though Jim Crow and those of us, because I
Speaker 4: think y'all are in South Carolina as well. Okay, in
Speaker 4: South Carolina, Jim Crow did not end into the nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy My mother and father, like I said, told me
Speaker 4: in the seventies, Jim Crow was still going strong. Even
Speaker 4: after the federal government structed down, states like South Carolina
Speaker 4: still fought and were slow to do away with Jim
Speaker 4: Crow completely. Some people, let's take the Holocaust survivors, White
Speaker 4: Jews went through the Holocaust. They're still getting paid right now,
Speaker 4: and we get told never forget the.
Speaker 1: America is paying them, ready to do with it.
Speaker 4: And yet America has done many programs. And I'm not
Speaker 4: saying these people do not deserve justice. They do. I
Speaker 4: feel if you are wrong by the federal government, any government,
Speaker 4: you deserve compensation. I can say that only when it
Speaker 4: comes to us. Can people not say that? But the
Speaker 4: Holocaust lasted for about a decade, okay, and yet we're
Speaker 4: told never forget. You cannot say a single bad thing
Speaker 4: about white Jewish people who went through the Holocaust. You
Speaker 4: cannot deny the Holocaust. You will immediately be called an
Speaker 4: awful person. You know, there are Holocaust deniers. The point is, though,
Speaker 4: look at what they went through and how they're getting
Speaker 4: compensation for their tragedy. Okay, And yet we went through
Speaker 4: centuries of governmental oppression, okay, centuries That was like a
Speaker 4: Holocaust that lasted three hundred years. So this country is
Speaker 4: built in the foundation that somehow our issues were a
Speaker 4: long time ago it has been resolved. Just because you
Speaker 4: stopped terrorizing someone on paper, that doesn't mean you made
Speaker 4: up for the damage that was done to them as
Speaker 4: a result of your terrorism. But another thing is we
Speaker 4: haven't demanded it. I'm not trying to blame the victims.
Speaker 4: I'm not, but we really have not demanded it. We
Speaker 4: have all these black faces in Congress, and let's look
Speaker 4: at some of the things they're fighting for. Whether you
Speaker 4: agree with abortion or not, I believe that we should
Speaker 4: be pushing to help strengthen black families. That means, you know,
Speaker 4: married couples having children. They push on us abortion that
Speaker 4: seems to be the only thing they feel we deserve. Abortion.
Speaker 4: Let's say, well, I don't know how you may feel
Speaker 4: about immigrations, but the point is most countries don't allow
Speaker 4: people to fly in through the nation illegally, and if
Speaker 4: you fly in through the nation I legally, they show
Speaker 4: us Hell's not going to reward you for doing so.
Speaker 4: In America, that's happening. You have people like James Clapburn
Speaker 4: who sees the freedmen in his district, people whose fanis
Speaker 4: have been in this country for centuries. We are struggling.
Speaker 4: We are among the poorest group in America. That's just
Speaker 4: irrefutable fact. And yet he's seeing that he wants these
Speaker 4: illegal immigrants to have a pathway to citizenship. They didn't wrong,
Speaker 4: and you want to reward them. We have wrong done
Speaker 4: to us, and you refuse to speak up for what
Speaker 4: is old to us. So some of our representatives, the
Speaker 4: white ones, yes, but especially the ones who are our own,
Speaker 4: supposed to be our own people, they do not stand
Speaker 4: up for us, and we reward them by still voting
Speaker 4: for them to be in office because we think that
Speaker 4: this is routine. It's very routine, especial Unfortunately with us.
Speaker 4: We're the only group of America that votes for one
Speaker 4: party all the time, no questions asked. It's starting to
Speaker 4: change a little now. The Black Americans still buy and
Speaker 4: large we're gonna if we vote, because a lot of
Speaker 4: us don't. But if we vote, it's gonna automatically be
Speaker 4: for the Democratic Party, and we do that without demanding
Speaker 4: anything from them, specifically for us. So it's a combination
Speaker 4: of this country's historic neglect of us, which this nation
Speaker 4: is accustomed to doing. Two, we have not held our
Speaker 4: representatives accountable for standing up for us. You have people
Speaker 4: in this country illegally who have the auDA to demand things.
Speaker 4: They go in the streets and they protests. They shouldn't
Speaker 4: even be there. But look how bold they are to
Speaker 4: demand things from a country in which they do not belong.
Speaker 4: Yet we don't do that same thing. We don't demand
Speaker 4: things that'll offer to us. And when our representatives don't
Speaker 4: stand up for us, we don't make them pay by
Speaker 4: not electing them, by refusing to vote for them, and
Speaker 4: running people against them.
Speaker 1: So do you think immigration is being strategically done? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like this isn't the first time. I think
Speaker 1: when we're talking about talk about Native Americans and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and we talk about exactly who those people are,
Speaker 1: because I identify as Native American. I'm an American, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I don't like black. I don't like the black
Speaker 1: African American. You know, you're tying yourself to another place.
Speaker 1: So this is our land, right, So I think that
Speaker 1: this has happened before. This isn't This isn't a new play.
Speaker 1: And I think that black people may not believe that
Speaker 1: immigration is our issue. It is an issue of us.
Speaker 4: It's a big issue for us. Death. It's happened before.
Speaker 4: Frederick Douglas Booker, T. Washington, WB du bois. These are
Speaker 4: civil rights icons of the past who knew that immigration
Speaker 4: was being done to target us. It was a way
Speaker 4: to try to replace us. During that time, it was
Speaker 4: white immigrants coming from Ireland and Italy. You know what's funny,
Speaker 4: We sometimes helped these groups when they came over here,
Speaker 4: and those groups turned against group, and they turned against
Speaker 4: Some of the worst race riots in the American history
Speaker 4: were done by Italian and Irish immigrants. Now we have
Speaker 4: people coming here from all over, but a lot of
Speaker 4: from Latin America and Asia, but nowadays increasingly from the
Speaker 4: African continent. Of course, we have people coming from the Caribbean.
Speaker 4: We sometimes have this attitude where we want to show
Speaker 4: solidarity with all these other groups. They don't reciprocate and
Speaker 4: do that for us. In California, for example, I'll give
Speaker 4: you two examples. A lot of black freemen have left California.
Speaker 4: They're moving to Texas, they're moving to up to other
Speaker 4: places in the South. So now you have these Mexican
Speaker 4: gangs who are targeting black families and running them out.
Speaker 4: Sometimes these families are freemen. Sometimes these are other black
Speaker 4: people from Latin America, from Spanish Speakan countries. They're targeting
Speaker 4: them and trying to run them out. In California, the
Speaker 4: largest civil lawsuit in California's history were fouled by Black
Speaker 4: Americans by freedmen who were being harassed on their jobs
Speaker 4: by Hispanics. But they were being harassed by Hispanics on
Speaker 4: their jobs, being called the inn wards, having bananas put
Speaker 4: in their locker rooms. A number three California. Again the
Speaker 4: group of Mexican American representatives. Y'all probably remember. This happened
Speaker 4: like two years ago. They were in a back room,
Speaker 4: it was recorded.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 4: I remember, just like some white Southerners in the Jim
Speaker 4: Crow South about how they wanted to deprive a Hispanic woman. Yep,
Speaker 4: it was a Hispanic woman. Two men. They want to
Speaker 4: deprived the black voters of their political power. One guy said,
Speaker 4: f that guy, or one lady, F that guy. He's
Speaker 4: with the blacks. So these but we think these are friends.
Speaker 4: Though we think these are friends, and then.
Speaker 1: You know he's allies.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we can't speak for a whole group of people, right.
Speaker 4: No, you can't.
Speaker 1: But my thing is this the ones in position of power.
Speaker 4: Exactly if you don't like me on the street, I
Speaker 4: don't care. You have individuals who make decisions, and that's
Speaker 4: their individual decision. But you can look at how people
Speaker 4: move as a group. As a group, we as freedmen,
Speaker 4: whether you know we have African ancestry or Native American ancestry.
Speaker 4: We tend to stand up for other people when we fight.
Speaker 4: We tend to always try to think about other people.
Speaker 4: And that may be a good quality we have, but
Speaker 4: it's problematic because these other groups don't do it for us.
Speaker 4: Point out one group, one group, ethnic group, or as
Speaker 4: a political group that when they stand up, they fight
Speaker 4: for us. Point out one group that's going hard for reparation.
Speaker 1: Not right now, but in history. So this is why
Speaker 1: I had such a problem with the they eating the
Speaker 1: cats and eating the dogs. And I mean we we
Speaker 1: say things about another group that your cat might end
Speaker 1: up missing, right, not necessarily hations, but I know for
Speaker 1: a fact Haitians fought alongside us during the Galla Geech
Speaker 1: You Wars and things like that. So those are those
Speaker 1: are our people as far as I'm concerned the Caribbean Islands,
Speaker 1: I'm not really talking about across across, but at least
Speaker 1: the islands, at least I believe that we are usually
Speaker 1: on the same page for the most part, Black Americans
Speaker 1: and Caribbeans.
Speaker 4: We well, here's what I will say. I will say
Speaker 4: that we have allies from some of these different groups.
Speaker 4: You have the same. We have individuals who are not
Speaker 4: for us, who have individuals who have been for us.
Speaker 4: The Galla geech, you wars and the connection. I'm not
Speaker 4: familiar with that, but that's something I can always look
Speaker 4: up because I do love history. But what I can
Speaker 4: say is when groups come here one thing. Other groups
Speaker 4: have the position, they have the ability to do that.
Speaker 4: We for some reason, have laws, they have the ability
Speaker 4: to advocate for themselves. You can google right now Haitian
Speaker 4: American organizations. You will find hundreds of them. Now if
Speaker 4: you just google black organization. This is why sometimes saying
Speaker 4: black is a problem. You will find organizations that were
Speaker 4: started for us, but we include everyone, and that's a problem.
Speaker 4: If these other groups can do things specifically for them.
Speaker 4: We need to get to the point where, hey, this
Speaker 4: is not hate, but this is specifically fuss And I'm
Speaker 4: not apologizing for it being specifically fussed. And that's why
Speaker 4: I've been embraced encouraging us to use the term freedman. Yes,
Speaker 4: that still doesn't mean our race is not black. Yes,
Speaker 4: but black is not gonna get us anywhere legally, because
Speaker 4: the moment we try to do legislation for black people
Speaker 4: it's gonna get shot down. You could not do legislation
Speaker 4: based on race in America, it will be a violation
Speaker 4: of the thirteenth Commitment. However, you can do legislation based
Speaker 4: on status. That's why they have policies and programs for immigrants,
Speaker 4: because that is a status. That's why they have policies
Speaker 4: and programs for people who may have mental illness. That's
Speaker 4: a status. That's why when the Intern Japanese who received
Speaker 4: reparations in the nineteen eighties, they did it for them,
Speaker 4: not because they were Japanese, but because they were the
Speaker 4: status or the class of Japanese people who are formally
Speaker 4: in turn. I mean, I speak about that real quick.
Speaker 4: A lot of people like to say, well, the reason
Speaker 4: they haven't done reparations for freedom is because the people
Speaker 4: who went through the wrong are dead. They've been dead
Speaker 4: for a long time, and we are their children, great grandchildren,
Speaker 4: great great children. But that's a lie because when they
Speaker 4: did reparations for the Intern Japanese that happened in the
Speaker 4: nineteen forties where they were thrown into concentration War two,
Speaker 4: right World War two, reparation for them did not happened
Speaker 4: into the nineteen eighties. Nineteen eighty eight, and they didn't
Speaker 4: start paying them until nineteen ninety two or something like that.
Speaker 4: A lot of them had died by then. Do you
Speaker 4: know what happened with the money that was old to them?
Speaker 4: It went to their children, remember I mentioned it.
Speaker 2: More. Furthermore, the trauma and the debt was passed down exactly.
Speaker 4: We inherit the trauma and the debt. The downwinders, the
Speaker 4: people who are poisoned by nuclear radiation, they're collecting checks
Speaker 4: right now. Their children gets it, their grandchildren gets it because,
Speaker 4: as you said to them, they have found that they
Speaker 4: have inherited physical defects, physical elements of the radiation poisoning. Well,
Speaker 4: if they can inherit harm from things that were done
Speaker 4: to them, so had we from things that have been
Speaker 4: done to us for three hundred years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ability not to unify and galvanized like that.
Speaker 1: They literally have us that divided because of slavery.
Speaker 4: You know, I think we unite pretty well, but we don't.
Speaker 4: We can do it better. We can unite better, and
Speaker 4: I don't think we unite around the right things. For example,
Speaker 4: I go back to this, how we automatically vote for
Speaker 4: the Democrats. I don't think we should automatically vote for anybody.
Speaker 4: I don't care. It was the Republicans. We used to
Speaker 4: be mainly Republicans, and then we left the Republican Party
Speaker 4: because we felt they were not doing right by us.
Speaker 4: And now we're doing with the Democrats what we used
Speaker 4: to do with the Republicans. We'll automatically voting for them.
Speaker 4: Even though it started to decline, and I think that's
Speaker 4: a good thing. We are starting to say you don't
Speaker 4: deserve my vote if you want it to earn it.
Speaker 4: I think we unite pretty well because when you look
Speaker 4: at how freeminting the vote, a lot of us don't.
Speaker 4: Sometimes like fifty over fifty six percent of us will
Speaker 4: not vote at all. But when we vote, it will
Speaker 4: usually go to the Democrats. That's us uniting, but for
Speaker 4: the wrong reason. Now we can unite like that and
Speaker 4: vote for people who are going to look out for
Speaker 4: us and fight for us. We can do pretty well.
Speaker 4: And you know, we would not have survived this nation
Speaker 4: if we were not unified. Think about it, this nation.
Speaker 4: After slavery ended, they tried to wipe us out. They
Speaker 4: felt there was no need for us any longer. And
Speaker 4: yet in spite of them constantly terrorizing us. In spite
Speaker 4: of them doing all the horrific, inhumane things they did
Speaker 4: to us, we were able to build not one, not two,
Speaker 4: not three, not four, not five, but multiple Black wall streets.
Speaker 4: Even though they were destroyed, we built them. We were
Speaker 4: able to start organizations like the Black Panthers that are
Speaker 4: now iconic worldwide. So I think we have united in
Speaker 4: spite of the facts that they do maneuver to keep
Speaker 4: us divided. Like one thing they try to do that
Speaker 4: I don't like. They try to do this whole gender
Speaker 4: divide all the black man versus the black women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real prevalent right now, you don't feel that
Speaker 1: way about never mind, it's real prevalent exactly.
Speaker 4: And I don't play those games. I feel that we
Speaker 4: need to unite over common interests. If y'all were two
Speaker 4: white ladies, I can care less if y'all were down
Speaker 4: for me getting reparations, and y'all felt that because I've
Speaker 4: talked to white people, white Southerners, y'all know, white South Carolinians.
Speaker 4: Some of them are, you know, the ones that we
Speaker 4: have especially down and not right, the good old boys.
Speaker 4: But I've spoken to some of them who were vehemently
Speaker 4: against reparations. But once I sat down and I showed
Speaker 4: them that one America has done it multiple times again, Interi, Japanese,
Speaker 4: many many, many Native American tribes, the Waymnians, the Iranian Hostages,
Speaker 4: the down Winders. When I sit down and break it
Speaker 4: down for them like that, I said, now tell me
Speaker 4: why have they not done it for the freemen? And
Speaker 4: some of them say, well, because all the ones who
Speaker 4: went to the wrong right dead. I'll say, no, they've
Speaker 4: done it for the descendants of other groups. Why have
Speaker 4: they done it? Fuss?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a situation where you have to
Speaker 1: correct your status? Because I think about US census, right,
Speaker 1: the options on there. They just took Negro off in
Speaker 1: early two thousand or two thousand, right, but leg Negro
Speaker 1: was stolen in the US centenus. But now it's black
Speaker 1: African American freedman isn't on there no right? So where
Speaker 1: would how would somebody correct their their legal status in America?
Speaker 1: Because we talk about sovereign citizenship, would we need to
Speaker 1: correct our status to be freedman in order to you know,
Speaker 1: try to organize a bit to get reparations because we're
Speaker 1: not a.
Speaker 4: Nation so freedman is not a racial ethnic identify, but
Speaker 4: we can make one. We can say, like I've pushed
Speaker 4: for a term called American freedman, because freeman, whether they
Speaker 4: have them cences or not, we're still freemen. They still
Speaker 4: can't take that from us. If the Freeman's Bureau, if
Speaker 4: they were to break back the Freeman's Bureau right now,
Speaker 4: which is something I've spoken with of our FK Junior,
Speaker 4: the one that's running was running for office, but he
Speaker 4: since dropped out. I've spoken with people from Donald Trump's
Speaker 4: team about that they can bring back the Freeman's Bureau
Speaker 4: right now. And if they were to do that, those
Speaker 4: of us who are freemen, we will qualify for programs.
Speaker 4: So the freeman's status exists, whether they put on the
Speaker 4: census or not. However, you do make a good point.
Speaker 4: We do feel that's an issue, like they need to
Speaker 4: have a way to delineate us from other black groups,
Speaker 4: like you'll see on there they may have Haitian, you know,
Speaker 4: they are black Puerto Ricans. There's black Brazilions, black Panamanians.
Speaker 4: We need to have something that says that, hey, we
Speaker 4: are the descendants of those who are emancipated for American slavery.
Speaker 4: We absolutely do need that. And the other thing I
Speaker 4: want to get back to how I speak with white
Speaker 4: South Carolinians when they realize that America spends trillions of
Speaker 4: dollars all the time, a lot of it on foreign nations,
Speaker 4: taking care of the legal immigrants on the Pentagon, the
Speaker 4: military budget, bailing out corporations. And when I tell them,
Speaker 4: look at some of these immigrants, legal and ilegal, they
Speaker 4: send billions of dollars out the country to other nations,
Speaker 4: their homelands. Freemen, we are Americans. This is our country.
Speaker 4: This is our country here, this is our home land.
Speaker 4: We're native to the United States of America. When we
Speaker 4: get money, it goes right back into this economy here.
Speaker 4: A lot of them will say, you know what, I
Speaker 4: can't argue gainst anything you have said, so a big
Speaker 4: like what we're doing right now, A lot of things
Speaker 4: that need to be done on educational and guess what
Speaker 4: we need to do with our people. We need to
Speaker 4: have a massive educational initiative because I do think a
Speaker 4: lot of our people agree reparations. And I do think
Speaker 4: our allies, like our brothers and sisters, who are true
Speaker 4: brothers and sisters, because you may have fam members you
Speaker 4: don't mess with. I have fam members, I don't mess with.
Speaker 4: You know, blood is not really thicker than water. Actually,
Speaker 4: I have FAMI members. I don't mess with. I don't claim.
Speaker 4: But to our family out there, who may be from
Speaker 4: Latin America, the Caribbean, the African Continent, Europe, even other
Speaker 4: parts of the world, to the other black groups out
Speaker 4: there who are truly our brothers and sisters, they will
Speaker 4: support it as well. But I've had people who are
Speaker 4: aging white people, people who are Native American who have
Speaker 4: now since supported reparations or they don't argue against it anymore,
Speaker 4: and they were strongly against it when they first heard it.
Speaker 4: Because the same way we have misunderstandings about reparations. You
Speaker 4: can imagine like a white person probably watches like Bright
Speaker 4: bart or Fox News all day. Even so, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of educational work that has to be done.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. So let's say the federal
Speaker 2: government decided to give Freeman reparations, what would we ask for?
Speaker 2: What would that look like?
Speaker 4: In your opinion, so it would be direct cash trayments.
Speaker 4: That's the main thing that a lot of people say.
Speaker 4: Every money. A lot of people like to say, well,
Speaker 4: it should be free education. It should be That's.
Speaker 1: Why I lean towards because we don't have the financial
Speaker 1: literacy yet.
Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say. We give them
Speaker 2: the money, and then I got a truck full of
Speaker 2: new ports. Baby.
Speaker 4: Let's say I get my reparations and I spent all
Speaker 4: on new clothes. It's my money. Maybe you won't like it,
Speaker 4: but it's my money. Because let me tell you what
Speaker 4: didn't happen. When they gave the Holocaust survivors who still
Speaker 4: get their checks today, no one sits down with them
Speaker 4: and says, tell me how you're going to spend this.
Speaker 4: They just get it and they spend it. When the
Speaker 4: intern Japanese got their money, no one sat down with
Speaker 4: them and say, well, how are you going to spend this?
Speaker 4: They just spent it. When the Native Americans get their
Speaker 4: tribal budgets, and some of them get money directly from
Speaker 4: their tribal governments, no one asks them how they're going
Speaker 4: to spend it.
Speaker 1: Some of them immigrants right now getting them big checks,
Speaker 1: and somebody, and.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I condone that, but even if a
Speaker 4: black person freeman gets their money and they spend all
Speaker 4: the new ports or Hannessy or whatever technical stuff. And
Speaker 4: our people say, that's their parents, that's their money. Because
Speaker 4: you know what happens. I've seen white millionaires who have
Speaker 4: died and they've left millions of dollars to their poodle. Okay,
Speaker 4: you can reclick. Lady left millions of dollars to her poodle. Okay. People,
Speaker 4: you know who's the worst people with money? People who
Speaker 4: have money already when the economy of America crashes. We
Speaker 4: don't run these airlines, we don't run these banks, we
Speaker 4: don't run these major housing firms. And yet look, every
Speaker 4: time the economy crashes is usually because those large corporations
Speaker 4: have misappropriated and misspit money. It's not black people doing that.
Speaker 4: Those are usually white Americans who come from families that
Speaker 4: have good money. So if anyone is terrible with money,
Speaker 4: it's usually people who have a lot of it. The
Speaker 4: people who have been best with money have usually been
Speaker 4: freemen who have had the least amount of it for
Speaker 4: a old the most. And here's proof to that, y'all
Speaker 4: can go right now, Black Americans, freemen, we are the
Speaker 4: biggest savers with the most rug with our money. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying we should have to be in order to
Speaker 4: get our reparations. Even if we were bad with money,
Speaker 4: we're still old. But the data shows we save more
Speaker 4: than almost any other group. And you know another thing
Speaker 4: I love about us, We are the most charitable. This
Speaker 4: is proof Black Americans are the most philanthropic. Of all
Speaker 4: groups we give, we have the least and yet yeah,
Speaker 4: at the air studies show we give the most of
Speaker 4: our money to help other people. That's a good thing.
Speaker 4: That's what I love about us.
Speaker 1: Church. Church.
Speaker 4: Yeah, study excluded the church, and I thought that too.
Speaker 4: I was most of that is the church. But one
Speaker 4: study actually excluded tithing tithes, and it actually so even
Speaker 4: outside of that, we still give the most. But I
Speaker 4: also want to say it should be money. But if
Speaker 4: people say, well what about land, what about free education,
Speaker 4: what about tax price, give me all that too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it should be it. Give me all of that money,
Speaker 4: and it's going to be in shortance.
Speaker 2: Give us back all the black wall streets as we
Speaker 2: do all that.
Speaker 4: My plan calls for a direct cash famous in the
Speaker 4: amount of two point eight million dollars per recipient. It
Speaker 4: calls for bringing back the Freeman's buo. You know, I
Speaker 4: I'm conservative in the sense that I like small government.
Speaker 4: So if we had our own small government that could
Speaker 4: respond to our needs. Like Native Americans have their tribal
Speaker 4: governments that are for their particular tribe. We are almost
Speaker 4: like a tribe. We are a special class in America.
Speaker 4: We need to have our own quote unquote tribal government.
Speaker 4: So I want to bring back the Freeman's Borough, which
Speaker 4: will be staffed by US, and the people who are
Speaker 4: in that part of that agency, who are running it,
Speaker 4: they will be held accountable by us. My plan calls
Speaker 4: for bringing having Freemen's Banks, Freeman Hospitals, Freeman Post Office,
Speaker 4: Freemen's schools. Like listening to Clydburger, which forth we should
Speaker 4: have Gulagichi schools all throughout the low country. That's something
Speaker 4: that Kyle Wernk is easy to make the Galla Gichi
Speaker 4: or put forth legislation. It may not pass, but you
Speaker 4: know what you fight for, what you really want. Even
Speaker 4: if those five times, I'm gonna try five more times,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep trying five digital times. We'll have our
Speaker 4: own Freeman schools. I call for us to have. I
Speaker 4: have a Black Wall Street program in mind where I
Speaker 4: would like to incentivize us to move back to the South,
Speaker 4: because the South is for those of us who are
Speaker 4: freemen in America. The South is really like our cultural homeland.
Speaker 4: And we will get back to farming because we need
Speaker 4: to be able to feed ourselves. That's not the only thing,
Speaker 4: you know, Like look at Ridgeland, look at you know, yah,
Speaker 4: I see a porky Taligo. A lot of the small
Speaker 4: towns right in South Carolina. We can make these small towns,
Speaker 4: we can shake them in our vision. A lot of
Speaker 4: us leave them and go to places like Atlanta, Charlotte.
Speaker 4: We can take these small towns and make them into
Speaker 4: our vision, make them into the black wall streets. That's
Speaker 4: what our ancestors did. If they can do it in
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds, we sure can do it now in
Speaker 4: the twenty twenties. I also want to say, on the point,
Speaker 4: on the point of money, we start more new businesses
Speaker 4: than any other group. When those stimulants checks came out,
Speaker 4: re first of all, was a very small amount of money.
Speaker 1: And not many black people tapped into it. Is like
Speaker 1: like people like to say, we did not get it.
Speaker 4: We got no. We received the least amount of the
Speaker 4: stimulus money. However, those of us who did, and there's cost,
Speaker 4: there's plenty of studies into us. We started more new
Speaker 4: businesses than any other racial ethnic group. So we are
Speaker 4: still our ancestors' children. We have just forgotten and to
Speaker 4: some extent, fighting for something that answers has fought for.
Speaker 4: Our ancestors knew that this mass immigration was not good
Speaker 4: for them. They knew it, and that's why they fought
Speaker 4: against it. That's why Coreta Scott came. You know, people
Speaker 4: have don mansw King drip of coredit. Scott came is
Speaker 4: an icon her own right. She was against mass immigration.
Speaker 4: She wrote a letter to Congress saying that it would
Speaker 4: bring down the quality of life for Americans, especially black Americans,
Speaker 4: said would bring down their wages. Barbara Jordan of Texas,
Speaker 4: she was against mass immigration. Our ancestors knew, and these
Speaker 4: aren't answers, these are just our parents, our grandparents. They knew,
Speaker 4: and this is the eighties and nineties, that mass immigration
Speaker 4: was not good for us. Our ancestors knew that we
Speaker 4: had to be self interested. We can help out these
Speaker 4: other groups if we choose to. But if they weren't
Speaker 4: helping us, hell with them. But first and foremost, we
Speaker 4: had to help ourselves. We have to get back to
Speaker 4: remembering those things. We cannot be tricked into this whole.
Speaker 4: We are all one because we're not. These other groups
Speaker 4: are not saying that. We're the only ones saying that
Speaker 4: here we are to the bottom half the least. It
Speaker 4: ain't no one checking for us once they get theirs right.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about FBA in their rhetoric.
Speaker 4: I use that term. I use that term quite often.
Speaker 4: It's pretty much a social term for pretty much saying
Speaker 4: that you are a descendant of the people who aren't slaved.
Speaker 4: It's some of the people who built America. So I
Speaker 4: agree with that and pretty much.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interject, but can you define.
Speaker 1: What were the letters foundational foundational Black American?
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, to subscribe to that. It's pretty much what
Speaker 4: I'm saying now is just a social term. Freeman is
Speaker 4: a legal term that's legally recognized. We don't use it
Speaker 4: a lot. We're getting back to it. You know what's funny.
Speaker 4: South Carolina is the state that had the first Freeman's
Speaker 4: Bureau outside of d C. South Carolina is also the
Speaker 4: state that had the first Freeman's mak Right there in Beuford,
Speaker 4: not far from me. But foundational Black America is pretty
Speaker 4: much the same. Philosophy is just the social term, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not a legal term. And what we're saying is
Speaker 4: we have to delineate we are not as much as I.
Speaker 4: You know, I have friends from all over. As much
Speaker 4: as I may like Casians or Jamaicans or whatever, or
Speaker 4: Trinidadians or Beijians or Ethiopians or Nigeria's or the NaNs
Speaker 4: or you know, Puerto Ricans or Cubans, they're not me.
Speaker 4: You may be black from those countries, but you're not
Speaker 4: black like me. We are different. I am a freeman.
Speaker 4: You are not. I am old a particular debt payment
Speaker 4: from this nation. You are not. If that bothers anyone,
Speaker 4: then that means you are a problem. Because why I
Speaker 4: would never go to Cuba and say that Spain owes
Speaker 4: me something, because of what they've historically done to Cubans.
Speaker 4: I want to go to Rwanda right now, Rwanda, the
Speaker 4: Democratic public of Congo. They're saying to Belgium, Belgium, you
Speaker 4: owe us. I will be extremely out of place if
Speaker 4: I went to Rwanda and Democratic public of Congo and
Speaker 4: start saying how dare y'all. Y'all are divisive? Belgium owes
Speaker 4: me too. No, I don't. I'm not a Rwanda. I'm
Speaker 4: not a citizen democratic public of Congo. Even though I
Speaker 4: moved there and I physically look like some of the people,
Speaker 4: I still don't have the same claim that they have. Namibia,
Speaker 4: another African nation, Germany, they're pushing for reparations. They're like
Speaker 4: nine tribes in Namibia. Two tribes are pushing for reparations
Speaker 4: from Germany. Germany paid it to the government. Now the
Speaker 4: tribe is finding the government saying that money belongs to us.
Speaker 4: No one's calling those tribes divisive because they didn't think
Speaker 4: about the seven other tribes. No, because they acknowledged this
Speaker 4: tribe went through something in particular and they have a
Speaker 4: special debt that's old to them. So what foundations Black
Speaker 4: Americans are saying unapologetically is that we are the people
Speaker 4: who were crucial in building this nation. We are old
Speaker 4: by this nation, and we are not going to be
Speaker 4: forced team and just having a generic black identity, what
Speaker 4: is black? You know that we're not all black the same.
Speaker 4: We used to get offended when white people would say, oh,
Speaker 4: you're just one Nigro, all Nippos. All you see one Nipper,
Speaker 4: you've seen them all. Imagine that's offensive. Imagine going to
Speaker 4: a Chinese person saying you're no different from a Korean person.
Speaker 4: You're no different from a Chinese person. You're the different
Speaker 4: a Filipino. They will be offended. So a why do
Speaker 4: people think it's okay to go to a freeman, a
Speaker 4: black American and say, oh, you're no different from a Haitian.
Speaker 4: You're no different from a Colombian. You're no different from
Speaker 4: a Jamaican. You're no different from a Cameronian Cameroonian. That
Speaker 4: is offensive. We are not all the same. That doesn't
Speaker 4: mean we hate each other. But I'm not apologizing for
Speaker 4: acknowledging that we are a unique group, what a unique history.
Speaker 2: Period and basically, you beat our ass, give us our cash.
Speaker 4: As far as the Haitians go, because I talk with Haitian,
Speaker 4: they'll say, oh, well, the Haitian revolutions set it all all.
Speaker 4: I have to correct that that's not true. You mentioned
Speaker 4: the Gola Geeche wars. I'm glad you mentioned that. Aging
Speaker 4: we had free settlements here in America before the Haitian Revolution.
Speaker 4: We had the settlements in Florida before h revolution happened.
Speaker 4: That's why people from South Carolina were running, were escaped,
Speaker 4: went down to Spanish control Florida, and we set up
Speaker 4: free settlements there. That caused people from South Carolina and
Speaker 4: Georgia to start feeding down the Florida and that's what
Speaker 4: led to the yama See or the Gladichi wars. So
Speaker 4: we are a group that's always stood up and fought
Speaker 4: for what's old to us, and we've always realized this
Speaker 4: is a special debt old to us. And that's what
Speaker 4: financial Black Americans saying that this is our nation. We
Speaker 4: built it, and we have a special claim that's old
Speaker 4: to us, and we love our our allies. What you're
Speaker 4: not going to do is come here and then you
Speaker 4: can dictate to us how we are to operate. That's
Speaker 4: not going to happen period. Right, So.
Speaker 1: This is one little question. You don't think it would
Speaker 1: be easier if we start from like Jim Crow Negro
Speaker 1: laws redlining. If we start from that period alone, it
Speaker 1: would probably be easier for us to put your reparations
Speaker 1: no going all the way back to slavery, because I
Speaker 1: think the having to try to calculate who gets reparations
Speaker 1: is going to continue to be the issue. And if
Speaker 1: black people don't know who they are in America, we're
Speaker 1: never gonna get all these niggas on one accord to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, look at what's going on with
Speaker 4: the surviving the survivors of the Tulsa Wall Street massacre.
Speaker 4: They're still alive right now. We know those people went
Speaker 4: through the Wall Street, Black Wall Street massacre and Toast Oklahoma,
Speaker 4: and yet they're refusing to pay them. Okay, like literally,
Speaker 4: these people survive the bombing of Black Wall Street and
Speaker 4: there are many Black Wall Streets, that's the most popular
Speaker 4: one in tolds to Oklahoma, and they're not getting paid.
Speaker 4: So I would like to say that it would be easier,
Speaker 4: but we already have examples right now. We have My
Speaker 4: mother and father went through Jim Crow went through red lining.
Speaker 4: I'm sure y'all, there's tens of millions of Black Americans
Speaker 4: right now, freemen who went through Jim Cored red lining.
Speaker 4: People know who they are. If it would be easier,
Speaker 4: they can pay them right now. But the funny thing
Speaker 4: is slavery was really not that long ago. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I have a commercial called Nana. If you follow me
Speaker 4: on ax, I posted it like last year, you could
Speaker 4: even just go to my Twitter account and type of Nana.
Speaker 4: I did a commercial for my nana. Nana Steam Washington Brown,
Speaker 4: my great grandmother. She died in twenty fifteen at one
Speaker 4: hundred and one. She was raised by a man who
Speaker 4: wasn't slaved. His name was Willie Simmons. He was enslaved
Speaker 4: in Beaufort, South Carolina. Okay, he died like in I
Speaker 4: think the nineteen twenties. He wasn't slaved. He helped to
Speaker 4: raise Nana. Nana helped to raise me. Nana just died fifteen,
Speaker 4: one hundred and one. So I literally grew up in
Speaker 4: the same house with a woman who was raised by
Speaker 4: a man who wasn't slaved. So when people like especially
Speaker 4: on white people, say, oh, that was a long time ago,
Speaker 4: it really wasn't. We literally have some people right now,
Speaker 4: old elders who were who literally grew up at a
Speaker 4: time where they were surrounded by people who were just
Speaker 4: formally enslaved and just coming off the plantation. But on
Speaker 4: that note, there, you know jd. Vance, the guy Trump
Speaker 4: picked for vice president. He probably won't admit this now,
Speaker 4: but In an interview, he said that he saw how
Speaker 4: white people in his area, you know, those former coal
Speaker 4: mining areas that are kind of economically depressed. Now, he said,
Speaker 4: he has seen how the government can cause harm to
Speaker 4: entire groups of people. He said, so lately he's been
Speaker 4: thinking more about reparations that black people, and his words
Speaker 4: have been calling for, he said, for Jim Crown redlining.
Speaker 4: So if people want to say, well, let's do reparation
Speaker 4: for Jim Corn red lining, Okay, yeah, let's do that,
Speaker 4: I'm still gonna just say that. I'm still gonna fight
Speaker 4: for the ones from there to slavery. But I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna stop though, with the one of slavery. You know
Speaker 4: why though, because the debt began with slavery. So people
Speaker 4: like to say, well, black immigrants should be a part
Speaker 4: of reparations because some of them were here during Jim
Speaker 4: Coren red lining. Okay, yeah, but they came after the
Speaker 4: debt was already old. The moment slavery ended in America
Speaker 4: was the moment America should have paid us. The moment
Speaker 4: they did it right away, that's from reparations. That's when
Speaker 4: the debt was old. They just made the debt compound
Speaker 4: because they didn't pay us. So people So when some
Speaker 4: people say, well some black immigrants were here doing germ
Speaker 4: core in red lining, well, first of all, they chose
Speaker 4: to come, second of all, and number two deaths. They came,
Speaker 4: but the debt was already old to us. They came
Speaker 4: after the debt had already began and it was just
Speaker 4: starting to compound because America has yet to pay us.
Speaker 4: I mean, I say, one more thing we gotta lose.
Speaker 4: This defeats mentality too. That's another reason why yet we
Speaker 4: people say that ain't never going to happen. Anyone who
Speaker 4: says that they are freemen, you are an embarrassment to yourself.
Speaker 4: You're an embarrassment. They told our people slavery will never
Speaker 4: They said, this is how it's going to be. Slavery's
Speaker 4: not going to end. Get over it. And we fought back,
Speaker 4: and slavery ended. They said Jim Crow would never end,
Speaker 4: and Jim Crow ended. We're still going to the legacy
Speaker 4: of Jim Crow. But it did end. So any freeman
Speaker 4: out there saying we're never gonna get reparations and you
Speaker 4: are of the lineage, that's an embarrassment. You ought to
Speaker 4: be ashamed. Of yourself. So what do we do?
Speaker 1: What is the solution now? What do we do now,
Speaker 1: just even just starting with the three of us, what
Speaker 1: do we do now to push reparations forward for the
Speaker 1: next election.
Speaker 4: Well, what we do now is we educate people. Like
Speaker 4: we've been like having these conversations. People think that that
Speaker 4: doesn't make a difference. It's a victims I thought. My
Speaker 4: thing is, we do need to run for office, or
Speaker 4: find people who will run for office. We do need
Speaker 4: to support those people. That means help fundraise for them.
Speaker 4: That means knock on doors for them, call people for them,
Speaker 4: mail out flyers for them. We have to have people
Speaker 4: in power who are going to actually write the legislation
Speaker 4: and fight to get it passed. People may say it what,
Speaker 4: it's never going to pass. No, it's never going to pass.
Speaker 4: We have even bringing up the pass. We have to
Speaker 4: get people in office in power. But my mother told me,
Speaker 4: and my father told me too, you're skipping an important step.
Speaker 4: You have to educate people. And at first I thought, Okay, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no, somebody just gotta run for office. I gotta
Speaker 4: win and I'll get up there.
Speaker 2: And I do it.
Speaker 4: They were right, before you can even get to that part.
Speaker 4: You really do have to educate people. So the first
Speaker 4: thing is educate our people about what we're old. Who
Speaker 4: it goes to. It can be done, because it has
Speaker 4: been done before, is being done right now, and for
Speaker 4: how the people in power right now can do it,
Speaker 4: but they're choosing not to, and that's why they need
Speaker 4: to go. Number Two, we need to consider running for office,
Speaker 4: or at least being on teams of people who are
Speaker 4: running for office and pushing them in the direction whatever
Speaker 4: going to stand up for us. Number Three, if people
Speaker 4: are not standing up for we need to call them out.
Speaker 4: You know, one of the things that put me on
Speaker 4: people's radar originally before I even thought about running, was
Speaker 4: I confronted James Clyburn. I confronted him about his majority
Speaker 4: black district having the highest eviction rate. North Charleston has
Speaker 4: the highest e victory rate in America. Black women are
Speaker 4: the most likely to be put out on this street.
Speaker 4: James Clyburn's district has one of the lowest wages in America.
Speaker 4: It has one of the highest percentages of people making
Speaker 4: just seven dollars fifty cents per hour to almost any
Speaker 4: other place in America. We have issues with clean water
Speaker 4: in North Charleston. Again, Florence, South Carolina didn't mark South
Speaker 4: Carolina places that have issues with water quality his district.
Speaker 4: We all know about the Corridor of Shame where I live.
Speaker 4: That's a network of poor, majority black rural communities where
Speaker 4: the quality of education is awful and the level of
Speaker 4: poverty is sky high.
Speaker 1: And at the prison in the middle of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a lot of prisons. But James Clivern
Speaker 4: the most powerful members of Congress. This man has power.
Speaker 4: He gets Republicans to sign on to legislation all the
Speaker 4: time that they did not like. He's able to make deals.
Speaker 4: He can make deals for everyone else. The Cataba Native Americans,
Speaker 4: who are a tribe in the mountains of South Carolina
Speaker 4: and North Carolina. They were former and slavers. Not only
Speaker 4: were the Kataba Native Americans former and slavers, they were
Speaker 4: also slave hunters and they were bruted. James Cliburn when
Speaker 4: he first got into office, he had a reparations bill
Speaker 4: passed for them, and the bill says for them to
Speaker 4: get special protections, recognition, justice, and rights.
Speaker 1: Exactly want I got to google what they look like?
Speaker 1: Is I bet you they don't look like?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right now, right, he haven't see Native Americans who
Speaker 4: look like us here. They get nothing. Those poor damnagon
Speaker 4: naive Americans have to go to the beautif Town Council
Speaker 4: and stuff and fight like hell all the time just
Speaker 4: for basic recognition that they still don't get. So James
Speaker 4: Cliburn can do all of this for other groups. He's up.
Speaker 4: They're stumping hard for illegal immigrants. Okay, when that shooting
Speaker 4: happened in Atlanta, that was really some weird guy going
Speaker 4: to some ASI and he was sitting there calling for
Speaker 4: that Asian hate crime Bell. They'd like to say it
Speaker 4: wasn't just an asient. Yes, the hell that was. That's
Speaker 4: who they did it.
Speaker 1: For, and they got money in that package. Is We
Speaker 1: actually talked about it on.
Speaker 4: This but when the shooting happened, James Clapper didn't say
Speaker 4: a single word about hatred of black Americans and how
Speaker 4: it's been done for Central media to hate Crime Bell.
Speaker 4: So you see you say that he gets away with it.
Speaker 4: How we are not running up on hell and I'm
Speaker 4: not advocating for balance and may be very clear because
Speaker 4: he will play that game and they will play that game.
Speaker 4: But we need to be running up on these people.
Speaker 4: We need to be saying, Hey, hold on, how dare
Speaker 4: you advocate for aging to get special protection but your
Speaker 4: own people have been a lynch gun now and mascolized
Speaker 4: nation for centuries and we don't have a single bill
Speaker 4: specifically for us. How dare you advocate for the Gataba
Speaker 4: navor Americans who are forming enslavers to get reparations but
Speaker 4: the freemen and yes they are, Yes, there are. How
Speaker 4: did he do the video with viral and someone is
Speaker 4: not that account is seriously got banned from Twitter, so
Speaker 4: I started this one that I have now, but the
Speaker 4: video is still floating around. He pretty much responded with
Speaker 4: some emotional language about these are my ancestors too, and
Speaker 4: don't you dare question that these are my answers. Emotionalism.
Speaker 4: You know how they say what lawyers do when they're
Speaker 4: losing an argument, They pound the table, they get emotional
Speaker 4: to try to distract from the fact that they lost
Speaker 4: the argument. That's what he did. But I wouldn't let
Speaker 4: him do it. And I kept pressing them about how
Speaker 4: his record of advocating for all these other groups but
Speaker 4: not advocating for us, And I pressed them about how
Speaker 4: desperately poor his majority black district is, which is why
Speaker 4: a lot of black people are leaving his district.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot a lot of the older
Speaker 1: people need to go ahead and step down, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the new ones, a lot of the new
Speaker 1: younger politicians, they don't really want to make you give this.
Speaker 1: They just want us close up proximity to white power.
Speaker 4: Inact, they want to be able to take photos. It's
Speaker 4: go on Instagram and talk about how successful they are.
Speaker 4: They do it to flex on us. You see the
Speaker 4: problem with some of our people, if you want to
Speaker 4: call them that, They don't advance in power for us.
Speaker 4: They advance in power to look down on us. They
Speaker 4: advance in power so they can have lunches with a
Speaker 4: person of this elevated position. They advance in power so
Speaker 4: they can be able to get access to the areas
Speaker 4: where they formally did not have. They do it for
Speaker 4: them in their own advancement. They don't do it for
Speaker 4: our advancement. And that's the problem right there. I haven't
Speaker 4: gained a single thing from this. Matter of fact, I've
Speaker 4: suffered some backlashes, but I'm finding back obviously. But I
Speaker 4: knew even who it was going through it, even when
Speaker 4: I have had. My MO was a discouragement that I'm
Speaker 4: not doing it for me. I'm doing it for us.
Speaker 4: And let me be very clear, I can't stand a
Speaker 4: lot of us. I'm going to be very very clear,
Speaker 4: but it's not about whether I like us or not.
Speaker 4: It's about love of the justice and what has not
Speaker 4: been done for us. And I can't say I truly
Speaker 4: love justice where my own people have yet to get it,
Speaker 4: and I'm going around here looking out for myself. That's
Speaker 4: not right.
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Amen? Amen?
Speaker 1: Who this was really good.
Speaker 2: This is an excellent conversation. I learned so much. I
Speaker 2: can honestly say I was very apprehensive about having a
Speaker 2: politician on. I'm like, oh, this nigga about to come
Speaker 2: and say that's how I feel. But we got to
Speaker 2: protect you at all colors. Okay you do. I support
Speaker 2: everything you're saying, and I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: We thank y'all so much for having me here, and
Speaker 4: y'all take care.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't leave yet. But want you to
Speaker 2: plug yourself. Tell people where they can find you, tell
Speaker 2: people where they can learn more, where they can support you.
Speaker 4: Well. My website, Marcel, which people spell difference. I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna spell it mr Cel for Congress dot Com. It
Speaker 4: has on there. If you want to leave the nation,
Speaker 4: you made the campaign that's coming to us in But
Speaker 4: you know, right now, I'm really doing a big push
Speaker 4: to try to get people out there because visibility matters.
Speaker 4: I'm running third party. I'm running with the United Citizens Party,
Speaker 4: which was a party founded by Freeman here in South
Speaker 4: Carolina in the nineteen sixties. So visibility is every day.
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to get the word out so if
Speaker 4: anyone belaves the nation, I'll be great. But also on Twitter,
Speaker 4: which is Marcel the number four Congress, and you can
Speaker 4: find a lot of my videos on there before I
Speaker 4: ran for office. Now that I'm running for office, you
Speaker 4: can just see a lot of my advocacy and a
Speaker 4: lot of my educational work, because truth be told, that's
Speaker 4: really what this is. This is really an educational work.
Speaker 4: You educate people, to motivate people, to activate people.
Speaker 2: I love it. It needs to be on a T shirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really does.
Speaker 1: Aren't y'all vote for future Congressman Marcel Dixon.
Speaker 4: Y'all?
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