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Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network Talk.

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Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talks.

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Speaker 1: What's up y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a

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Speaker 1: new episode or We Talked Back, a show dedicated to

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Speaker 1: you niggas and.

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Speaker 3: You hosts and.

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Speaker 2: Dreamers and chasers.

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Speaker 1: Is your co host aj Holiday? What's up? Big Tam Bam, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I love y'all so much. Keep your chin up today,

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Speaker 2: chins high, be optimistic. All good things are.

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Speaker 1: Good energy period, chin always high.

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Speaker 2: That was your weekend.

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Speaker 1: I ain't do nothing this weekend, Like for real, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I was supposed to go to this Harlem nice party

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Speaker 1: with my significant other and I just didn't he went through.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you?

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Speaker 1: Because the ship was in the fucking country and already

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Speaker 1: know it's gonna be fucking country. That's why I ain't gonna.

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Speaker 2: That's the country. I love country shit.

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Speaker 1: No, man, I know country shit. Gonna have some good food.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully they would have something for me to eat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I just it wasn't up to it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been needing to know things. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: you want me to do something, you need to tell

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Speaker 1: me about it a month in advance, then two weeks

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Speaker 1: in advance, then a week in advance, like I really

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Speaker 1: have to mentally program myself. That's too much. If I'm

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Speaker 1: not mentally there, if I haven't seen myself there in

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Speaker 1: my mind, I'm not going. I ain't coming again.

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't coming again. So I ain't do shit

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Speaker 1: this weekend, child, And.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Shit, just preparing for the week.

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Speaker 2: Guess what I'm doing. I'm walking in my boot.

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Speaker 1: I finally that ship was off. No, girl, was that

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Speaker 1: not two weeks ago? You said you had two more weeks?

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Speaker 1: Just over two weeks ago that I had.

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Speaker 2: I had to not walk on it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm walking. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, that stepdaddy, both that nigga foot broke and his

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Speaker 1: knee right now for falling down.

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Speaker 2: Damn mm hmm. That's wild and I hate that. I know,

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. It's dumb. I've been in this ship. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I ain't had to shoot on the right foot since August.

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Speaker 1: Your foot little?

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Speaker 4: Is it skinny?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little, the whole leg little.

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Speaker 1: You would walking outside on it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, not like walking like long distances, Like I'm

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Speaker 2: just walk instead of being on the scooter, I'm actually

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Speaker 2: walking to the car.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be able to take it off.

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Speaker 2: Well, I go back to the doctor next Thursday and

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Speaker 2: they're gonna do new X rays to see is it

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Speaker 2: healing right and what the next steps are. Literally, I

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Speaker 2: feel like.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that shit been off about three months.

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Speaker 2: Dogs, it's been nearly three months, except well two months

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Speaker 2: September and October, the whole September, the whole October into November,

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Speaker 2: so it's been eight weeks. It's it feels like longer

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Speaker 2: than that, but it's only been eight weeks. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I was supposed to, you know, been walking on it

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Speaker 2: at six but it wasn't healing.

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Speaker 1: So so is it healing better? Now?

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Speaker 2: When we do these X rays, put your ass in

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Speaker 2: the cast, they like, that's what they say. If it

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Speaker 2: doesn't heal. And when they have like really walking on

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Speaker 2: it without the boot, if it gives me pain, then

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Speaker 2: they're gonna have to put a screw in it. So

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that does not happen. So y'all keep

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Speaker 2: me prayed up. But I'm going to Paris on Friday,

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Speaker 2: they said, I can walk Thursday, I'm leaving. I'm walking

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Speaker 2: to a plane, y'all walking over the plate, bitch, I'm going.

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Speaker 1: You go to a vacation.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I'm literally going. I'm gonna leave on Friday. I'm

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Speaker 2: coming home on Sunday. I know I'm going with a girl.

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Speaker 2: This is a girl's crib, you know, gay, Like I

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Speaker 2: ain't that gay. I'm only when I'm like kind of drunk.

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Speaker 2: And That's been a long time since I've even been

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 1: It's like that means something to me. I'm going, like, what.

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Speaker 2: Girl? Go to hell? Let's get into scene.

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Speaker 1: So did you watch Maggie Stallion documentary because.

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Speaker 2: You can? Yeah, I really, And it's pretty much a

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Speaker 2: redemption story. It goes from her, you know, talking about

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Speaker 2: her beginning, how hard it was losing her mother. We

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Speaker 2: really get to dive into that relationship and what that

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Speaker 2: looked like for her and how sad that was that

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Speaker 2: we dive into that, and then she goes into the

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Speaker 2: Gail King conversation that I think we've all seen go by.

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Speaker 1: That's the clip I side, yeah, where.

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Speaker 2: She basically admits to being dishonest about her sex life

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Speaker 2: with Tori, and she was like, I ain't know the

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Speaker 2: bitch was going to.

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Speaker 3: Ask me that.

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Speaker 1: She literally called Gail a bitch because she is a

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Speaker 1: bitch for asking that. Like, Okay, you can't conflate the two, right,

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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about this man assaulting me and

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Speaker 1: shooting at me. Yeah, but you.

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Speaker 2: No, there is a butt. The butt is you have

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Speaker 2: to assume that this interviewer, Gail King, is going to

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Speaker 2: ask the dynamics of the relationship with you and the shooter.

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Speaker 2: Why would you assume that they're not gonna ask that.

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Speaker 1: So does that negate him shooting at her? No, absolutely

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Speaker 1: not whether she had sex with him or not.

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Speaker 2: It does not negate anything. But she shouldn't have lied.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it shouldn't have shouldn't have should

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Speaker 1: not have been asked.

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Speaker 2: If you do this interview, this was a This wasn't

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Speaker 2: just about being shot. This was about the relationship with

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Speaker 2: this person. This was an interview about the whole happenings.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised I would have been prepared for that question.

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Speaker 1: I think her people told Gail not to ask that shit,

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Speaker 1: and Gail asked it anyway, because to send her in

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Speaker 1: a line of fire like that and her not be

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Speaker 1: prepared because she was clearly like, yeah, she was taking

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Speaker 1: it sexually like she was not expecting her to ask that,

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Speaker 1: and neither would I really, noah, because it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: So now what's happening now? Because Meg Stallion lied about

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Speaker 1: fucking her, which we all knew it was a lie.

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Speaker 1: We knew that was the reason why her and her

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Speaker 1: friend was beefing. We knew the nigga was a problem.

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Speaker 1: So rather she told Gail that or not, we knew

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Speaker 1: the truth, right. But now what the public gets to

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Speaker 1: do is say, see none of the bubble. She's a liar,

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Speaker 1: and that's why it's okay for her to get shot at.

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Speaker 2: It's not okay, but she should have been honest. If

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Speaker 2: you're gonna come on that interview, you can't tell half truth. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: tell the truth. This is what happened, This is what

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Speaker 2: it is, and this is and he deserved to be

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Speaker 2: in jail because of this. She don't have to catch

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Speaker 2: me on.

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Speaker 1: Two drunk nights. People I thot that they like twice

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Speaker 1: and each time he was catching me drunk. So I

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Speaker 1: think she did have a drinking problem. I think that

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Speaker 1: she contributed to some of the things that happened.

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Speaker 2: To her that night. Absolutely mm hm shit everybody most

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Speaker 2: of us allow wing shit pop off. There was some

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Speaker 2: intoxication involved, in drugs involved. He wasn't in our clearest mind.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely No. I done called a body dronk before you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying body, I ain't really was supposed

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Speaker 2: to catch.

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Speaker 1: You know, I ain't never catch and want drunk. I

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Speaker 1: caught a body that I had done had before, and

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Speaker 1: I ain't got no business fucking on and I'm doing

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Speaker 1: it because I'm drunk. But I never just caught a

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Speaker 1: stray body because I've been drinking, not.

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Speaker 2: A stray body because I would you think she considered

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Speaker 2: him a stray body. No, she knew him. That was cool.

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Speaker 2: It just kind of happened stray body.

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Speaker 1: I mean like first time dick drunk.

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Speaker 2: You ain't never had first time dick drunk.

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Speaker 1: No, never, It's intentional. If I fuck on a nigga,

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Speaker 1: it's not like I fucked him because I was drunk.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, okay, I'm about to say, damn you

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Speaker 2: get all your big sober.

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Speaker 1: It's boring and we talk about that. Absolutely, not like

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Speaker 1: well back in the day before I started like experimenting

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Speaker 1: with the weed, Like, yeah, I probably had a lot

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Speaker 1: of sober sex, but it's intentional. If I if I

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Speaker 1: fuck on a nigga rarether I'm drunk or not, it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be I'm not. It's never gonna be a

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Speaker 1: blaming on an alcohol type situation, is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But it would be like I've I call this body

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Speaker 2: earlier than I intended, dude, because.

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Speaker 1: It might as well keep sucking you go together. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can see why she should have told

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Speaker 1: the truth truth. I just I hate now the public opinion.

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Speaker 1: It extends even further right right now because people think

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Speaker 1: they got an AHA on her.

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Speaker 2: She put the doc.

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Speaker 1: Is it a lie if you eventually tell it.

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Speaker 2: You yeah, still, Ali, we know you lying though, I know.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's what made it worse because everybody was like.

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Speaker 1: All the men were like that, mm hmm. But I

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Speaker 1: rather or not she fucked this man or not. He

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Speaker 1: had no business shooting at her. And then the next

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Speaker 1: thing is, oh, she you know, people are saying that

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Speaker 1: he shot her. He didn't shoot her, right, but he

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Speaker 1: definitely shot at her and caused her harm m.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Period. They showed the fragments in her foot on the

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Speaker 2: documentary and then she goes on to you know, talk

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Speaker 2: about her relationship with the homegirl and how that dissolved.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if between me and you, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if she took as much as accountability as

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Speaker 2: I would have liked it. You know, but you know,

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Speaker 2: because it takes my grandma said, it takes two links

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Speaker 2: of the chain for the chain of rattle, one link

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Speaker 2: care rattle by itself, So you know, you gotta own

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Speaker 2: your ship too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna watch it. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I like, I.

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Speaker 1: Just feel like it's something that didn't need a documentary for.

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Speaker 2: I watched you because.

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Speaker 1: Not you, the mic bitch.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired last night. Yes, I was get into that

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Speaker 2: watching the election, but I only watched that documentary because

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Speaker 2: reasonable doubt the season ended, so I ain't got nothing

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Speaker 2: to watch.

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Speaker 1: Everybody but on that reasonable doubt shit, boy, every bitch

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Speaker 1: I know has been watching that shit.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad because season one didn't get that much

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Speaker 2: love as it should have. But now it's like everybody's

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Speaker 2: like popping. Yeah, happy to hear that. So what else happened?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of being tired, did you stay up for the

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Speaker 2: election last night?

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Speaker 1: Actually I was at a watch party. So I attended

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Speaker 1: a watch party last night. Senator Dionne Ted Teddor you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. He he's I think he

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Speaker 1: lives in Columbia. Actually he's in Charleston, but he had

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Speaker 1: a watch party last night. I actually went to two

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Speaker 1: different places for watch parties. We ended there though, that's

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Speaker 1: where more than more professional people would have been, and

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Speaker 1: we came in there with Jordan's on and ship. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: You cast your vote. You know, everybody's entitled to their

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Speaker 2: You know, my hat goes off to Kamala. She had

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Speaker 2: But what I really feel like, now this might be

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Speaker 2: hear me out, y'all, we really have the power if

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Speaker 2: I think we do need and we should keep a

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Speaker 1: So that's enough on the election, y'all, y'all listen, I

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Speaker 1: But anyway, y'all, fuck is home. Bit ch'all told y'all, niggas,

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Speaker 2: You said that I was definitely about to sigga.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy having a ride a scientist and gets some dick.

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Speaker 2: I know, I was thinking about her, like I know

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Speaker 1: People hating that girl for not going to work. What

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Speaker 2: And I just I think that that trial was interesting

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Speaker 1: When he got out, that boy, shit, man, he's the

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Speaker 1: We talked about twenty fifteen a long time ago.

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Speaker 2: He don't seem like the brightest crown in the box,

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Speaker 2: so can we more than that from him? Yeah? He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of people have demons. You know, they're battling demons.

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Speaker 2: You know, I pray for everyone.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know what young Thugs now is supposed

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Speaker 1: I don't know rap about nothing.

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Speaker 2: Butterfly in that's high.

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Speaker 1: You gonna go ahead, keep going.

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Speaker 2: I can't go twice. Its highly.

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Speaker 1: Read their ray hole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have to talk about.

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Speaker 1: He better can start being like Kendrick Lamar. Okay, you

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Speaker 2: This is well it should it should should.

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Speaker 1: You need to hold people at higher standard. I think,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think about it. It's just the sound.

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Speaker 2: It's just so terrible. Like there's a rapper from here,

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Speaker 2: Tongue is a wand it's a powerful wand and what

435
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: you speak is it can be a curse or bless us.

436
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: Be mindful of that.

437
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm I'm happy that. And I'm not going

438
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: to say young Thug is just like the super innocent dude,

439
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: because I heard he was indeed the boogeyman, Okay, but

440
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: the way in which they rail rolled him the last

441
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: two years was really disgusting. I did see Fanny Willis

442
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: was reelected as state prosecutor in Georgia, but I just

443
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I feel like we talk about

444
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: luncheon and hanging and all this stuff when it comes

445
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: to black people, but it's a lot of black faces

446
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: doing it now. White people no longer have to do

447
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: it because they have now put these frontmen into place

448
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: who look like us, but they ain't us a lot

449
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: of the times. And I'm not saying like she shouldn't

450
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: clean the streets up, but I feel like they were

451
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: trying to take that nigga house. They want his assets.

452
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: That's more of what it was about money. It was

453
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: more about money than actually cleaning the streets.

454
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only thing. I want, a safe place

455
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: for our children to grow up in. You know, I

456
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 2: want the music. I just hope there's a paradigm shift

457
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: before we have kids that are grown where the consciousness

458
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 2: is just so different that the music.

459
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: Oh, that's enough elevation, it's coming. New Earth is definitely

460
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: on the way. I feel it. I feel it.

461
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

462
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: And and women, we gotta have the baby to have

463
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: a future.

464
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: Right or stop having babies until we get our demands met. No,

465
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: not even about the babies. Stop fucking yeah, stop having

466
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: sex period. I'm telling if we collectively stop having sex

467
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: and said no more, our reproductive rights are under attack.

468
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: We can't have sex. I can't have sex at a

469
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: time like this. If all of us said that, we

470
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: could demand watch Iraq, that's what that movie was about. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

471
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: We could demand whatever we want. We could demand a.

472
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: Lot of these niggas like Bookie. Now, okay, they ain't

473
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: even studying.

474
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: They would have to if we did that.

475
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: They're already doing it. Okay, we just front men for

476
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: some of them. A beard for some of these dudes.

477
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: Let me tell you how the world would be in

478
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: up or if all the pussy closed down. Talk about

479
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: the stock market crash, the pussy crash.

480
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: You remember the pussy crash the four That was a

481
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: wild time. I mean, there was no pussy to be found.

482
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: It was rough. It would be a history stupid yo.

483
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: All Right, y'all, But listen, today we have I'm calling

484
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: him congressman. Okay, even though he was not elected, I

485
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: did vote for him. Okay, mis Marcel Dixon. We have him,

486
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: and we talked that. We talked back this week. We're

487
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: talking uh, reparations because that is one thing we did

488
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: not see on the ballot.

489
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: And that's what we deserve and that's what we're old.

490
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, y'all. This is a really good conversation. Stay tuned.

491
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: Okay, So y'all, today we have a truly inspiring guests

492
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: joining us. He's known for his fierce advocacy and unwavering

493
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: commitment to justice. He's a dedicated educator, activist. He's South

494
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Carolina native South Cakilaki stand up. He's a passionate voice

495
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: for a perative justice and economic empowerment within black communities.

496
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: He's fears fearlessly champion causes that matter with a focus

497
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: on uplifting and inspiring change. His insight and authenticity resonate

498
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: within with with people across the nation. So welcome to

499
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the show, Congressman Dixon, because we be manifesting and we

500
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: talk back.

501
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 4: Okay, welcome, thank you all for having me.

502
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: How you doing this evening? What part of South Carolina

503
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: are you from.

504
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: I'm from a town called Ridgeland, which is down by

505
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 4: Charleston and Savannah, Georgia.

506
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: So I'm Charleston.

507
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: Oh really, Okay, yeah, I'm from Ridgeland. Then, so right

508
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 4: by you Ford, South Carolina, Bluffton, South Carolina, and Savannah, Georgia,

509
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: right on the border of Chatham County, Georgia. Yes, yes, but.

510
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: There's a prison there.

511
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: That's what I do know.

512
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 4: About, infamous prison.

513
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: Yes, hit originally hard too.

514
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, rwers get hard by a lot of

515
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: catastrophes like flooding when the tropical Storm Debbie, Hurricane Heleen.

516
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: We always get a lot of bad flooding. But yeah,

517
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: it's a very small town that's not far from Savannah, Georgia. Youford,

518
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 4: South Carolina, yep?

519
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, se y'all.

520
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to have mister Dixon on and talk about

521
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: reparations because this is something that's very important for most

522
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: black people. It should be anyway, right, because we need

523
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: our coins. Okay, this is the longest overdue bill in history,

524
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: and this country has been built on the backs of

525
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: black people, and we've literally been saying four hundred years

526
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: for the last worn years. So when we don't get

527
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: our gust too. So I came across, not even came across,

528
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: because I've seen you on I'm on Twitter Ax a lot,

529
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: so I've seen a lot of your spaces on Twitter.

530
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: And then one of my one of my good friends,

531
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: he sends me your content a lot, and I'm like,

532
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: the last video you had out went viral in regards

533
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: to reparations. So I wanted to have you on a

534
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: I have a little brief chat about it.

535
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: Okay, can I ask a question before we get directly

536
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: into reparations. You seem like a fairly young black man.

537
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: You could have gone and played sports or done a

538
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: lot of different things. What made you choose politics?

539
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 4: Not not really that young any longer, but and I

540
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 4: gotta suck at sports, but thank you, I didn't really

541
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 4: choose politics. I feel that it trols me. I was

542
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: very unhappy and I still am with a lot of

543
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: the candidates that we have running for office nationwide, and

544
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 4: a lot of people are you know, you look at Congress.

545
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: Congress has like an approval rating of thirteen percent. And

546
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 4: in my district for the US House of Representatives, James

547
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: Clyburn is my representative. And you know, I found out

548
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: that South Carolina District six, which is still a majority

549
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: black district, it's the sixth poorest district in the United

550
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: States of America out of four hundred and thirty five

551
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: districts total, and yet it's almost the poorest place. It's

552
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 4: almost the poorest place to live, and yet Congressman Clyburn

553
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: has been there for thirty two years. So I was

554
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: very unhappy with the representation we were receiving. And when

555
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: I confronted him then I asked about reparation and things

556
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: of that nature. I didn't really like his response, and

557
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 4: I kept saying to myself, if we as Americans or

558
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: whatever background, we're so unhappy with the people we have

559
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 4: in office, why are we not trying to run for

560
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: office ourselves and replace those people we have? In office.

561
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 4: Very few people step up to do that, and I

562
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 4: decided I didn't want to be like the average person.

563
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: I said, I'm going to run for office. I couldn't

564
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: find a better option, so I say, well, I'll be

565
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 4: the beat option anger in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we all need to get involved, for sure, because

567
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people politics is like a

568
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: big thing. People talk about it, but a lot of

569
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: people don't get involved. They just sit in the background,

570
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: oftentimes with the opinion and yeah, so you know that's

571
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: something I'm interested in the future too. Maybe I can

572
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: back you up, we can collaborate and.

573
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: Do something nice, and I'll vote for you because I

574
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: will not participate.

575
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: I can't be on the front lines now, but I'll

576
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: be in the back, like you know some low yeah

577
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: fighting people in the.

578
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: Background, putting yourself out there. Trust me, it's unnerving. I

579
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: kind of thought a lot about the ramifications of the

580
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 4: decision I was going to make. You know, your life

581
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: will be out there, your face will be out there.

582
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: My volunteers, they've sent out on maybe twenty thousand flyers

583
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: this election. I ran last year, last election season, I'm

584
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 4: running this time. So just this election season alone, prosing

585
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: out twenty thousand flyers. It's probably been like sixty thousand

586
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 4: text messages. I've been on commercials, I've done interviews. Obviously

587
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: it's a little unnerving when you know your face and

588
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 4: your name is out there people are looking at it.

589
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 4: But I really had to consider those things, and my

590
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: attitude is there's no way I can lose. See when

591
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: I started off, I had zero supporters. It was really

592
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 4: just me. I woke up one day. I'm a school teacher,

593
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 4: never ran for politics, never voted before, never really got

594
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: involved in politics. Like you said, I had an opinion.

595
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: I had a strong opinion about a lot of things,

596
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: but I was never really a political never really wanted

597
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: to be. So I went from one extreme not being

598
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: involved at all to the other extreme being completely involved.

599
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: But even if I don't quote unquote when the election,

600
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: what I'm proud of is that I've helped educate people

601
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: about the things about wish. I'm passionate why I feel

602
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: the way I do, and why I feel that my

603
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 4: stance on issues is the stance that we should have,

604
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: and reparations is one of those premier issues. It is

605
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: the premire issue of my campaign. Like you mentioned, justice,

606
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: my slogan is justice for all or justice for none.

607
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: We can't have it both ways. We can't do reparations

608
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 4: for all these other groups that we have done it for,

609
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: and we're doing it for now, but we're not doing

610
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: it for the group that has really been through the most,

611
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: and that are those who are freemen or the Black

612
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 4: Americans who are descendence of the emancipated.

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00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: So let's get into that a little bit about freedman.

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00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: So educate our listeners a bit about because this is

615
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: the type of history I like to get into the

616
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: history of self for listeners who don't know exactly what

617
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: freedmen are? Can you can you let us.

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00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: Know before you answer. I just want to see this.

619
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: I think I got all sixty thousand of your text messages.

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00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: I think they are really Yeah, away from him, listen,

621
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: I'd be responding back to them text messages because I'm

622
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: gonna say you on myself on Bill in a minute.

623
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, people do respond. Some people just troll and they

624
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: say thing. You know, you can tell they're just trolling.

625
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: But people do respond and interstic responses.

626
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: I just had to say that free men.

627
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: Freeman is pretty much a political status, a status or

628
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: it's like a class. For example, if you are a veteran,

629
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: that's a status. That's a special class you belong to.

630
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: From the perspective of the federal government, if you're a

631
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 4: disabled person, that's a status like they have the Department

632
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: of Veterans Affairs. They have specific programs set aside with

633
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: people are disabled. We all the best example are Native

634
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 4: American tribes. You know, we have the muskoge or the Creek.

635
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: We have the Seminoles, they have the k Alcohols, they

636
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: have the Cherokees, we have the Catawa. Those tribal names

637
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: are really statuses, and Native Americans get special programs that

638
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: are just for them based on their status there. They

639
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 4: don't get just one large program for all of them.

640
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 4: It depends on their status. For example, not Old get this,

641
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: the Cherokee get this, the Seminole get this. So if

642
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: you are a black person in America who is a

643
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 4: descendant of a person who was emancipated from American slavery,

644
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 4: you have a special status called Freeman. And they passed

645
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 4: legislation for us in eighteen sixty five, the Freeman Bureau Acts.

646
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 4: They did one and then they did two, and it's

647
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: set up an office called the Freemen's Bureau. I'm sure

648
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: if we do our research, a lot of us have ancestors.

649
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: We will file the Freeman's Bureau. I have found countless

650
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 4: relatives who receive services from the Freemen's Bureau. In order

651
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: to receive services from the Freeman's Bureau, which was an

652
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: agency of the government, you had to be a freeman.

653
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: You had to have that status. Now, of course they

654
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: did away with the Freeman's Bureau, but the Freeman's status

655
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: was never rescinded, so we still have that status now,

656
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 4: it's just not one we've been using. People think reparations

657
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: is erasing, it's not. There's no such thing in America

658
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: that would be constitutional as reparations for black people. Because

659
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: maybe if this was back in eighteen hundreds, all the

660
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: black people in America were black Americans, were people who

661
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: were either formerly enslaved or had just been emancipated at

662
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 4: the end of the Civil War.

663
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: Now, so you don't subscribe to the notion that black

664
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: people already existed in America and that potentially the people

665
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: who were already here were then enslaved as well. Because

666
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: even with Freedman, a lot of people, because I mean,

667
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: for my studies. I know that slavery was predominantly in

668
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: the South, right, So Twelve Years of Slave is a

669
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: perfect movie, right. I don't know if y'all ever seen it.

670
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 2: There was a plage there.

671
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: He was a free black man with family, white friends

672
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: and all of that, and lived up north. He was

673
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: tricked into slavery and ended up in the South for

674
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: twelve years until a white guy came on the plantation

675
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: and he told this guy his story, and then he

676
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: went back up north and told his white friends and

677
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: they came down and got him right. So he was

678
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: tricked into slavery after slavery basically was supposed to have

679
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: supposedly had ended in the South. So do you not

680
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: subscribe to the notion that, you know, everybody may not

681
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: be descended of slaves. And maybe that's why they always

682
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: say reparations has to be studied.

683
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 4: You know, well, I do believe that black people have

684
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: always been here in this land mass. You know, when

685
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: I was in school, they used to teachers that black

686
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: people were everywhere, and even though I never thought much

687
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: about it, it kind of hit me one day, a like,

688
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: so we were everywhere. That would include North America as well.

689
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: But the cool thing about the freeman's status. It doesn't

690
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 4: matter if you are a descendant of a person who

691
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: was a ready indigenous to the land, or you are

692
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: the son of a person who came over on these

693
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: slave ships as a result of the Transatlantic slave from

694
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: the coast of Africa, whether it's the West coast or

695
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: Central Africa. What matters is that if you were here before,

696
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 4: well at the end of the Civil War, automatically you

697
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 4: are a freedman because when that ended, you were old

698
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 4: a debt because you went through American slavery, you then

699
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: went through or the danger of being enslave. So yeah,

700
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 4: it really doesn't matter if your ancestors a person who's

701
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: indigenous or your ancestors a person who came from the

702
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: continent of Africa. More than likely, I think most freedomen

703
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: we have a mixture of both. We'll probably have native

704
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: blood and we probably have blood of people who came

705
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 4: over on the slave ships. But what is the most

706
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: important thing is that your ancestor was in this nation

707
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 4: at the end of the Civil War, because it was

708
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: then where America should have paid us for all the

709
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: labor we did in building this nation and defitting this

710
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 4: nation and they did not. Instead, not only did they

711
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: not hate us, they actually continue to terrorize us. They

712
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: did black holes, which would become Jim Crow and their

713
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 4: cobs racial massacre. They used imminent domain to take our land,

714
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: and when that didn't work, they were burned down our

715
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: black wall streets, or they will flood them, or they

716
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 4: will put railroads through them or highways through them. They

717
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: did medical experimentations on us. I mentioned my great grandfather

718
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: in the video that went viral, how he was a

719
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: World War two vet. He just died like last month,

720
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: and yet he never received his portion of the GI Bill.

721
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: The GI Bill was a bill that was given to

722
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 4: World War Two vets that helped them to become homeowners,

723
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: helped them become college educated professionals. They receive pensions. It's

724
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: pretty much credited with building the modern day American middle class.

725
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: Only I think. I think at the most six thousand

726
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 4: and black American World War two vets receive benefits of

727
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: the GI Bill out of like millions of US that

728
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: actually fought, whereas fifteen million white American World War two

729
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: vets receive the giveils. That means they were able to

730
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: acquire wealth that they passed down to their loved ones.

731
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: I've always said if people can inherit wealth, people can

732
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: also inherit the debt. People who are against reparations, I

733
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 4: say to them, Okay, so if you've inherited anything from

734
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 4: your parent, whether it's homes, whether there's whatever kind of asset, stocks, bars, property, cars,

735
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 4: maybe even a bit of position of business, you need

736
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: to give all that up. Okay, Because you're saying that

737
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: I do not have an inheritance for which I should receive.

738
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 4: That means you should not have it either. So it's

739
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 4: not just the fact that we did not get our

740
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 4: debt paid immediately at the end of the Civil War.

741
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: Is that this nation continued to terrorize us. And when

742
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: I hear, especially some white people I speak with, they'll say, well,

743
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: I'm a poor white person. So it's not that i've

744
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: here in white privilege. It's not about it's not saying

745
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 4: that white people don't have issues. It's not saying that

746
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: any other group doesn't have issues. It's not even saying

747
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: that America hasn't done other groups wrong. But I'm not

748
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 4: focusing on these other groups right now. Once we have

749
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: to focus on ourselves and the question to ask if

750
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: you have problems in your life. Is it a result

751
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 4: of the American government depriving you of your constitutional rights?

752
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 4: The only group that can actually say yesterday are those

753
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 4: of us who are freemen, because all these other groups

754
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: Native Americans, Japanese who are interned, the downwinders, for those

755
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 4: who know who the downwinders are, those are people who

756
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 4: are exposed to radiation as a result of America testing

757
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 4: nuclear arms, and they received They have physical elements, and

758
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: their kids and grandchildren have physical elements, so they are

759
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: still getting paid today. The Guamenians, the Iranian hostages, even today,

760
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: you know Simone Bows, the Olympic gold medalists, even she's

761
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: about to get reparations. Some other young ladies because they

762
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: were sexually abused and the FBI failed to investigate the

763
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 4: accusations of sexual abuse that they made, so they're about

764
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: to get paid reparations. All of the groups get paid

765
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 4: compensation for the wrong that the federal government, not any Pherson,

766
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 4: but the federal government is done to them except us.

767
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: So we can actually look at our dada and say

768
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: we are old. We have yet to be paid. You've

769
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 4: done it for others, now you owe it to us too.

770
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: Why do you think the federal government is keeping freemen

771
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 2: from reparations.

772
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: Well, for one, this government has a long history more

773
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: than any the group going after us more than any

774
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: other group. So it's just something that's embedded in this nation.

775
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: You know how they like to say that slavery was

776
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 4: this country's original sin. Well, the issue of slavery was

777
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 4: always built on the concept of us being inferior of

778
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 4: the fact that you know, slavery was beneficial for us. Remember,

779
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: they even tried to do that way, it was beneficial,

780
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 4: you know, with Jim Crow. They will tell us that

781
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 4: it wasn't that bad or that was a long time ago,

782
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: even though Jim Crow and those of us, because I

783
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: think y'all are in South Carolina as well. Okay, in

784
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: South Carolina, Jim Crow did not end into the nineteen

785
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 4: seventy My mother and father, like I said, told me

786
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: in the seventies, Jim Crow was still going strong. Even

787
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 4: after the federal government structed down, states like South Carolina

788
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 4: still fought and were slow to do away with Jim

789
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 4: Crow completely. Some people, let's take the Holocaust survivors, White

790
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 4: Jews went through the Holocaust. They're still getting paid right now,

791
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: and we get told never forget the.

792
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: America is paying them, ready to do with it.

793
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: And yet America has done many programs. And I'm not

794
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 4: saying these people do not deserve justice. They do. I

795
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: feel if you are wrong by the federal government, any government,

796
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 4: you deserve compensation. I can say that only when it

797
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 4: comes to us. Can people not say that? But the

798
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 4: Holocaust lasted for about a decade, okay, and yet we're

799
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 4: told never forget. You cannot say a single bad thing

800
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 4: about white Jewish people who went through the Holocaust. You

801
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: cannot deny the Holocaust. You will immediately be called an

802
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: awful person. You know, there are Holocaust deniers. The point is, though,

803
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: look at what they went through and how they're getting

804
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: compensation for their tragedy. Okay, And yet we went through

805
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: centuries of governmental oppression, okay, centuries That was like a

806
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: Holocaust that lasted three hundred years. So this country is

807
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: built in the foundation that somehow our issues were a

808
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: long time ago it has been resolved. Just because you

809
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 4: stopped terrorizing someone on paper, that doesn't mean you made

810
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 4: up for the damage that was done to them as

811
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: a result of your terrorism. But another thing is we

812
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 4: haven't demanded it. I'm not trying to blame the victims.

813
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 4: I'm not, but we really have not demanded it. We

814
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: have all these black faces in Congress, and let's look

815
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 4: at some of the things they're fighting for. Whether you

816
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 4: agree with abortion or not, I believe that we should

817
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: be pushing to help strengthen black families. That means, you know,

818
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 4: married couples having children. They push on us abortion that

819
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: seems to be the only thing they feel we deserve. Abortion.

820
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: Let's say, well, I don't know how you may feel

821
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 4: about immigrations, but the point is most countries don't allow

822
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 4: people to fly in through the nation illegally, and if

823
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: you fly in through the nation I legally, they show

824
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: us Hell's not going to reward you for doing so.

825
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: In America, that's happening. You have people like James Clapburn

826
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 4: who sees the freedmen in his district, people whose fanis

827
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 4: have been in this country for centuries. We are struggling.

828
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 4: We are among the poorest group in America. That's just

829
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: irrefutable fact. And yet he's seeing that he wants these

830
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 4: illegal immigrants to have a pathway to citizenship. They didn't wrong,

831
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 4: and you want to reward them. We have wrong done

832
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: to us, and you refuse to speak up for what

833
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 4: is old to us. So some of our representatives, the

834
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: white ones, yes, but especially the ones who are our own,

835
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 4: supposed to be our own people, they do not stand

836
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 4: up for us, and we reward them by still voting

837
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 4: for them to be in office because we think that

838
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: this is routine. It's very routine, especial Unfortunately with us.

839
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 4: We're the only group of America that votes for one

840
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: party all the time, no questions asked. It's starting to

841
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 4: change a little now. The Black Americans still buy and

842
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 4: large we're gonna if we vote, because a lot of

843
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: us don't. But if we vote, it's gonna automatically be

844
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 4: for the Democratic Party, and we do that without demanding

845
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: anything from them, specifically for us. So it's a combination

846
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 4: of this country's historic neglect of us, which this nation

847
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 4: is accustomed to doing. Two, we have not held our

848
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: representatives accountable for standing up for us. You have people

849
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: in this country illegally who have the auDA to demand things.

850
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: They go in the streets and they protests. They shouldn't

851
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 4: even be there. But look how bold they are to

852
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 4: demand things from a country in which they do not belong.

853
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 4: Yet we don't do that same thing. We don't demand

854
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: things that'll offer to us. And when our representatives don't

855
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: stand up for us, we don't make them pay by

856
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: not electing them, by refusing to vote for them, and

857
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: running people against them.

858
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: So do you think immigration is being strategically done? Because

859
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: I feel like this isn't the first time. I think

860
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: when we're talking about talk about Native Americans and stuff

861
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: like that, and we talk about exactly who those people are,

862
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: because I identify as Native American. I'm an American, Okay,

863
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: So I don't like black. I don't like the black

864
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: African American. You know, you're tying yourself to another place.

865
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: So this is our land, right, So I think that

866
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: this has happened before. This isn't This isn't a new play.

867
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: And I think that black people may not believe that

868
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: immigration is our issue. It is an issue of us.

869
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: It's a big issue for us. Death. It's happened before.

870
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: Frederick Douglas Booker, T. Washington, WB du bois. These are

871
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: civil rights icons of the past who knew that immigration

872
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 4: was being done to target us. It was a way

873
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 4: to try to replace us. During that time, it was

874
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 4: white immigrants coming from Ireland and Italy. You know what's funny,

875
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 4: We sometimes helped these groups when they came over here,

876
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 4: and those groups turned against group, and they turned against

877
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: Some of the worst race riots in the American history

878
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: were done by Italian and Irish immigrants. Now we have

879
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 4: people coming here from all over, but a lot of

880
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: from Latin America and Asia, but nowadays increasingly from the

881
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 4: African continent. Of course, we have people coming from the Caribbean.

882
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 4: We sometimes have this attitude where we want to show

883
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 4: solidarity with all these other groups. They don't reciprocate and

884
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: do that for us. In California, for example, I'll give

885
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 4: you two examples. A lot of black freemen have left California.

886
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 4: They're moving to Texas, they're moving to up to other

887
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: places in the South. So now you have these Mexican

888
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 4: gangs who are targeting black families and running them out.

889
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 4: Sometimes these families are freemen. Sometimes these are other black

890
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 4: people from Latin America, from Spanish Speakan countries. They're targeting

891
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 4: them and trying to run them out. In California, the

892
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 4: largest civil lawsuit in California's history were fouled by Black

893
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: Americans by freedmen who were being harassed on their jobs

894
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 4: by Hispanics. But they were being harassed by Hispanics on

895
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: their jobs, being called the inn wards, having bananas put

896
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: in their locker rooms. A number three California. Again the

897
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 4: group of Mexican American representatives. Y'all probably remember. This happened

898
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 4: like two years ago. They were in a back room,

899
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: it was recorded.

900
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: I remember.

901
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: I remember, just like some white Southerners in the Jim

902
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 4: Crow South about how they wanted to deprive a Hispanic woman. Yep,

903
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 4: it was a Hispanic woman. Two men. They want to

904
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 4: deprived the black voters of their political power. One guy said,

905
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 4: f that guy, or one lady, F that guy. He's

906
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: with the blacks. So these but we think these are friends.

907
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: Though we think these are friends, and then.

908
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: You know he's allies.

909
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, we can't speak for a whole group of people, right.

910
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 4: No, you can't.

911
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: But my thing is this the ones in position of power.

912
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: Exactly if you don't like me on the street, I

913
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: don't care. You have individuals who make decisions, and that's

914
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: their individual decision. But you can look at how people

915
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: move as a group. As a group, we as freedmen,

916
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: whether you know we have African ancestry or Native American ancestry.

917
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 4: We tend to stand up for other people when we fight.

918
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: We tend to always try to think about other people.

919
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 4: And that may be a good quality we have, but

920
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 4: it's problematic because these other groups don't do it for us.

921
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: Point out one group, one group, ethnic group, or as

922
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: a political group that when they stand up, they fight

923
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 4: for us. Point out one group that's going hard for reparation.

924
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Not right now, but in history. So this is why

925
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: I had such a problem with the they eating the

926
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: cats and eating the dogs. And I mean we we

927
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: say things about another group that your cat might end

928
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: up missing, right, not necessarily hations, but I know for

929
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: a fact Haitians fought alongside us during the Galla Geech

930
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: You Wars and things like that. So those are those

931
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: are our people as far as I'm concerned the Caribbean Islands,

932
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: I'm not really talking about across across, but at least

933
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: the islands, at least I believe that we are usually

934
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: on the same page for the most part, Black Americans

935
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: and Caribbeans.

936
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: We well, here's what I will say. I will say

937
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 4: that we have allies from some of these different groups.

938
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: You have the same. We have individuals who are not

939
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 4: for us, who have individuals who have been for us.

940
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 4: The Galla geech, you wars and the connection. I'm not

941
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 4: familiar with that, but that's something I can always look

942
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: up because I do love history. But what I can

943
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 4: say is when groups come here one thing. Other groups

944
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 4: have the position, they have the ability to do that.

945
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 4: We for some reason, have laws, they have the ability

946
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: to advocate for themselves. You can google right now Haitian

947
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 4: American organizations. You will find hundreds of them. Now if

948
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 4: you just google black organization. This is why sometimes saying

949
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: black is a problem. You will find organizations that were

950
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: started for us, but we include everyone, and that's a problem.

951
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 4: If these other groups can do things specifically for them.

952
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 4: We need to get to the point where, hey, this

953
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 4: is not hate, but this is specifically fuss And I'm

954
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 4: not apologizing for it being specifically fussed. And that's why

955
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 4: I've been embraced encouraging us to use the term freedman. Yes,

956
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 4: that still doesn't mean our race is not black. Yes,

957
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 4: but black is not gonna get us anywhere legally, because

958
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 4: the moment we try to do legislation for black people

959
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: it's gonna get shot down. You could not do legislation

960
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 4: based on race in America, it will be a violation

961
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: of the thirteenth Commitment. However, you can do legislation based

962
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 4: on status. That's why they have policies and programs for immigrants,

963
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 4: because that is a status. That's why they have policies

964
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: and programs for people who may have mental illness. That's

965
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 4: a status. That's why when the Intern Japanese who received

966
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 4: reparations in the nineteen eighties, they did it for them,

967
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: not because they were Japanese, but because they were the

968
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 4: status or the class of Japanese people who are formally

969
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 4: in turn. I mean, I speak about that real quick.

970
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 4: A lot of people like to say, well, the reason

971
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 4: they haven't done reparations for freedom is because the people

972
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: who went through the wrong are dead. They've been dead

973
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 4: for a long time, and we are their children, great grandchildren,

974
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: great great children. But that's a lie because when they

975
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 4: did reparations for the Intern Japanese that happened in the

976
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 4: nineteen forties where they were thrown into concentration War two,

977
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: right World War two, reparation for them did not happened

978
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 4: into the nineteen eighties. Nineteen eighty eight, and they didn't

979
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,959
Speaker 4: start paying them until nineteen ninety two or something like that.

980
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 4: A lot of them had died by then. Do you

981
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 4: know what happened with the money that was old to them?

982
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: It went to their children, remember I mentioned it.

983
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: More. Furthermore, the trauma and the debt was passed down exactly.

984
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: We inherit the trauma and the debt. The downwinders, the

985
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 4: people who are poisoned by nuclear radiation, they're collecting checks

986
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 4: right now. Their children gets it, their grandchildren gets it because,

987
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 4: as you said to them, they have found that they

988
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 4: have inherited physical defects, physical elements of the radiation poisoning. Well,

989
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 4: if they can inherit harm from things that were done

990
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: to them, so had we from things that have been

991
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 4: done to us for three hundred years.

992
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, the ability not to unify and galvanized like that.

993
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: They literally have us that divided because of slavery.

994
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 4: You know, I think we unite pretty well, but we don't.

995
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 4: We can do it better. We can unite better, and

996
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 4: I don't think we unite around the right things. For example,

997
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 4: I go back to this, how we automatically vote for

998
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 4: the Democrats. I don't think we should automatically vote for anybody.

999
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 4: I don't care. It was the Republicans. We used to

1000
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 4: be mainly Republicans, and then we left the Republican Party

1001
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: because we felt they were not doing right by us.

1002
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: And now we're doing with the Democrats what we used

1003
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 4: to do with the Republicans. We'll automatically voting for them.

1004
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 4: Even though it started to decline, and I think that's

1005
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 4: a good thing. We are starting to say you don't

1006
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 4: deserve my vote if you want it to earn it.

1007
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 4: I think we unite pretty well because when you look

1008
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 4: at how freeminting the vote, a lot of us don't.

1009
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 4: Sometimes like fifty over fifty six percent of us will

1010
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 4: not vote at all. But when we vote, it will

1011
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 4: usually go to the Democrats. That's us uniting, but for

1012
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 4: the wrong reason. Now we can unite like that and

1013
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 4: vote for people who are going to look out for

1014
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 4: us and fight for us. We can do pretty well.

1015
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,479
Speaker 4: And you know, we would not have survived this nation

1016
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 4: if we were not unified. Think about it, this nation.

1017
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 4: After slavery ended, they tried to wipe us out. They

1018
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: felt there was no need for us any longer. And

1019
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: yet in spite of them constantly terrorizing us. In spite

1020
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 4: of them doing all the horrific, inhumane things they did

1021
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: to us, we were able to build not one, not two,

1022
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 4: not three, not four, not five, but multiple Black wall streets.

1023
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: Even though they were destroyed, we built them. We were

1024
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 4: able to start organizations like the Black Panthers that are

1025
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 4: now iconic worldwide. So I think we have united in

1026
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 4: spite of the facts that they do maneuver to keep

1027
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 4: us divided. Like one thing they try to do that

1028
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 4: I don't like. They try to do this whole gender

1029
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 4: divide all the black man versus the black women.

1030
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real prevalent right now, you don't feel that

1031
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: way about never mind, it's real prevalent exactly.

1032
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 4: And I don't play those games. I feel that we

1033
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: need to unite over common interests. If y'all were two

1034
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,479
Speaker 4: white ladies, I can care less if y'all were down

1035
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: for me getting reparations, and y'all felt that because I've

1036
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 4: talked to white people, white Southerners, y'all know, white South Carolinians.

1037
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: Some of them are, you know, the ones that we

1038
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: have especially down and not right, the good old boys.

1039
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: But I've spoken to some of them who were vehemently

1040
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 4: against reparations. But once I sat down and I showed

1041
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,959
Speaker 4: them that one America has done it multiple times again, Interi, Japanese,

1042
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 4: many many, many Native American tribes, the Waymnians, the Iranian Hostages,

1043
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 4: the down Winders. When I sit down and break it

1044
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 4: down for them like that, I said, now tell me

1045
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 4: why have they not done it for the freemen? And

1046
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 4: some of them say, well, because all the ones who

1047
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 4: went to the wrong right dead. I'll say, no, they've

1048
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 4: done it for the descendants of other groups. Why have

1049
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 4: they done it? Fuss?

1050
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a situation where you have to

1051
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: correct your status? Because I think about US census, right,

1052
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: the options on there. They just took Negro off in

1053
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: early two thousand or two thousand, right, but leg Negro

1054
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: was stolen in the US centenus. But now it's black

1055
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: African American freedman isn't on there no right? So where

1056
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: would how would somebody correct their their legal status in America?

1057
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: Because we talk about sovereign citizenship, would we need to

1058
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: correct our status to be freedman in order to you know,

1059
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: try to organize a bit to get reparations because we're

1060
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: not a.

1061
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 4: Nation so freedman is not a racial ethnic identify, but

1062
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 4: we can make one. We can say, like I've pushed

1063
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 4: for a term called American freedman, because freeman, whether they

1064
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,479
Speaker 4: have them cences or not, we're still freemen. They still

1065
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 4: can't take that from us. If the Freeman's Bureau, if

1066
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 4: they were to break back the Freeman's Bureau right now,

1067
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: which is something I've spoken with of our FK Junior,

1068
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 4: the one that's running was running for office, but he

1069
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 4: since dropped out. I've spoken with people from Donald Trump's

1070
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 4: team about that they can bring back the Freeman's Bureau

1071
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 4: right now. And if they were to do that, those

1072
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 4: of us who are freemen, we will qualify for programs.

1073
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 4: So the freeman's status exists, whether they put on the

1074
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 4: census or not. However, you do make a good point.

1075
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: We do feel that's an issue, like they need to

1076
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 4: have a way to delineate us from other black groups,

1077
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 4: like you'll see on there they may have Haitian, you know,

1078
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 4: they are black Puerto Ricans. There's black Brazilions, black Panamanians.

1079
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 4: We need to have something that says that, hey, we

1080
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 4: are the descendants of those who are emancipated for American slavery.

1081
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 4: We absolutely do need that. And the other thing I

1082
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 4: want to get back to how I speak with white

1083
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 4: South Carolinians when they realize that America spends trillions of

1084
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 4: dollars all the time, a lot of it on foreign nations,

1085
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 4: taking care of the legal immigrants on the Pentagon, the

1086
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 4: military budget, bailing out corporations. And when I tell them,

1087
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 4: look at some of these immigrants, legal and ilegal, they

1088
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 4: send billions of dollars out the country to other nations,

1089
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 4: their homelands. Freemen, we are Americans. This is our country.

1090
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: This is our country here, this is our home land.

1091
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: We're native to the United States of America. When we

1092
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 4: get money, it goes right back into this economy here.

1093
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 4: A lot of them will say, you know what, I

1094
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 4: can't argue gainst anything you have said, so a big

1095
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 4: like what we're doing right now, A lot of things

1096
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 4: that need to be done on educational and guess what

1097
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 4: we need to do with our people. We need to

1098
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 4: have a massive educational initiative because I do think a

1099
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 4: lot of our people agree reparations. And I do think

1100
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 4: our allies, like our brothers and sisters, who are true

1101
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 4: brothers and sisters, because you may have fam members you

1102
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 4: don't mess with. I have fam members, I don't mess with.

1103
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 4: You know, blood is not really thicker than water. Actually,

1104
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 4: I have FAMI members. I don't mess with. I don't claim.

1105
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: But to our family out there, who may be from

1106
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 4: Latin America, the Caribbean, the African Continent, Europe, even other

1107
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 4: parts of the world, to the other black groups out

1108
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: there who are truly our brothers and sisters, they will

1109
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 4: support it as well. But I've had people who are

1110
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 4: aging white people, people who are Native American who have

1111
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: now since supported reparations or they don't argue against it anymore,

1112
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 4: and they were strongly against it when they first heard it.

1113
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 4: Because the same way we have misunderstandings about reparations. You

1114
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,479
Speaker 4: can imagine like a white person probably watches like Bright

1115
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: bart or Fox News all day. Even so, there's a

1116
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 4: lot of educational work that has to be done.

1117
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. So let's say the federal

1118
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: government decided to give Freeman reparations, what would we ask for?

1119
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: What would that look like?

1120
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 4: In your opinion, so it would be direct cash trayments.

1121
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 4: That's the main thing that a lot of people say.

1122
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 4: Every money. A lot of people like to say, well,

1123
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 4: it should be free education. It should be That's.

1124
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: Why I lean towards because we don't have the financial

1125
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: literacy yet.

1126
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say. We give them

1127
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: the money, and then I got a truck full of

1128
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: new ports. Baby.

1129
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 4: Let's say I get my reparations and I spent all

1130
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 4: on new clothes. It's my money. Maybe you won't like it,

1131
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: but it's my money. Because let me tell you what

1132
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 4: didn't happen. When they gave the Holocaust survivors who still

1133
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 4: get their checks today, no one sits down with them

1134
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 4: and says, tell me how you're going to spend this.

1135
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 4: They just get it and they spend it. When the

1136
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: intern Japanese got their money, no one sat down with

1137
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 4: them and say, well, how are you going to spend this?

1138
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 4: They just spent it. When the Native Americans get their

1139
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 4: tribal budgets, and some of them get money directly from

1140
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 4: their tribal governments, no one asks them how they're going

1141
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 4: to spend it.

1142
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: Some of them immigrants right now getting them big checks,

1143
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: and somebody, and.

1144
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 4: I'm not saying I condone that, but even if a

1145
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 4: black person freeman gets their money and they spend all

1146
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 4: the new ports or Hannessy or whatever technical stuff. And

1147
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 4: our people say, that's their parents, that's their money. Because

1148
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 4: you know what happens. I've seen white millionaires who have

1149
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 4: died and they've left millions of dollars to their poodle. Okay,

1150
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 4: you can reclick. Lady left millions of dollars to her poodle. Okay. People,

1151
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 4: you know who's the worst people with money? People who

1152
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 4: have money already when the economy of America crashes. We

1153
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 4: don't run these airlines, we don't run these banks, we

1154
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 4: don't run these major housing firms. And yet look, every

1155
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 4: time the economy crashes is usually because those large corporations

1156
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 4: have misappropriated and misspit money. It's not black people doing that.

1157
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 4: Those are usually white Americans who come from families that

1158
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 4: have good money. So if anyone is terrible with money,

1159
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 4: it's usually people who have a lot of it. The

1160
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 4: people who have been best with money have usually been

1161
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 4: freemen who have had the least amount of it for

1162
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 4: a old the most. And here's proof to that, y'all

1163
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 4: can go right now, Black Americans, freemen, we are the

1164
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 4: biggest savers with the most rug with our money. I'm

1165
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 4: not saying we should have to be in order to

1166
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: get our reparations. Even if we were bad with money,

1167
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 4: we're still old. But the data shows we save more

1168
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 4: than almost any other group. And you know another thing

1169
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 4: I love about us, We are the most charitable. This

1170
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 4: is proof Black Americans are the most philanthropic. Of all

1171
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: groups we give, we have the least and yet yeah,

1172
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 4: at the air studies show we give the most of

1173
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 4: our money to help other people. That's a good thing.

1174
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 4: That's what I love about us.

1175
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: Church. Church.

1176
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, study excluded the church, and I thought that too.

1177
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 4: I was most of that is the church. But one

1178
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 4: study actually excluded tithing tithes, and it actually so even

1179
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 4: outside of that, we still give the most. But I

1180
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 4: also want to say it should be money. But if

1181
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 4: people say, well what about land, what about free education,

1182
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 4: what about tax price, give me all that too. Yeah,

1183
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 4: it should be it. Give me all of that money,

1184
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 4: and it's going to be in shortance.

1185
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: Give us back all the black wall streets as we

1186
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: do all that.

1187
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 4: My plan calls for a direct cash famous in the

1188
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 4: amount of two point eight million dollars per recipient. It

1189
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 4: calls for bringing back the Freeman's buo. You know, I

1190
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 4: I'm conservative in the sense that I like small government.

1191
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 4: So if we had our own small government that could

1192
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 4: respond to our needs. Like Native Americans have their tribal

1193
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 4: governments that are for their particular tribe. We are almost

1194
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 4: like a tribe. We are a special class in America.

1195
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 4: We need to have our own quote unquote tribal government.

1196
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 4: So I want to bring back the Freeman's Borough, which

1197
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 4: will be staffed by US, and the people who are

1198
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 4: in that part of that agency, who are running it,

1199
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 4: they will be held accountable by us. My plan calls

1200
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 4: for bringing having Freemen's Banks, Freeman Hospitals, Freeman Post Office,

1201
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 4: Freemen's schools. Like listening to Clydburger, which forth we should

1202
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 4: have Gulagichi schools all throughout the low country. That's something

1203
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 4: that Kyle Wernk is easy to make the Galla Gichi

1204
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 4: or put forth legislation. It may not pass, but you

1205
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 4: know what you fight for, what you really want. Even

1206
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 4: if those five times, I'm gonna try five more times,

1207
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep trying five digital times. We'll have our

1208
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 4: own Freeman schools. I call for us to have. I

1209
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 4: have a Black Wall Street program in mind where I

1210
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 4: would like to incentivize us to move back to the South,

1211
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 4: because the South is for those of us who are

1212
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 4: freemen in America. The South is really like our cultural homeland.

1213
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 4: And we will get back to farming because we need

1214
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 4: to be able to feed ourselves. That's not the only thing,

1215
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 4: you know, Like look at Ridgeland, look at you know, yah,

1216
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 4: I see a porky Taligo. A lot of the small

1217
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: towns right in South Carolina. We can make these small towns,

1218
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 4: we can shake them in our vision. A lot of

1219
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 4: us leave them and go to places like Atlanta, Charlotte.

1220
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 4: We can take these small towns and make them into

1221
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 4: our vision, make them into the black wall streets. That's

1222
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 4: what our ancestors did. If they can do it in

1223
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds, we sure can do it now in

1224
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 4: the twenty twenties. I also want to say, on the point,

1225
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 4: on the point of money, we start more new businesses

1226
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 4: than any other group. When those stimulants checks came out,

1227
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 4: re first of all, was a very small amount of money.

1228
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: And not many black people tapped into it. Is like

1229
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: like people like to say, we did not get it.

1230
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: We got no. We received the least amount of the

1231
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 4: stimulus money. However, those of us who did, and there's cost,

1232
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 4: there's plenty of studies into us. We started more new

1233
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 4: businesses than any other racial ethnic group. So we are

1234
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 4: still our ancestors' children. We have just forgotten and to

1235
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 4: some extent, fighting for something that answers has fought for.

1236
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 4: Our ancestors knew that this mass immigration was not good

1237
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 4: for them. They knew it, and that's why they fought

1238
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 4: against it. That's why Coreta Scott came. You know, people

1239
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 4: have don mansw King drip of coredit. Scott came is

1240
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 4: an icon her own right. She was against mass immigration.

1241
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 4: She wrote a letter to Congress saying that it would

1242
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 4: bring down the quality of life for Americans, especially black Americans,

1243
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 4: said would bring down their wages. Barbara Jordan of Texas,

1244
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 4: she was against mass immigration. Our ancestors knew, and these

1245
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 4: aren't answers, these are just our parents, our grandparents. They knew,

1246
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 4: and this is the eighties and nineties, that mass immigration

1247
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 4: was not good for us. Our ancestors knew that we

1248
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 4: had to be self interested. We can help out these

1249
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 4: other groups if we choose to. But if they weren't

1250
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 4: helping us, hell with them. But first and foremost, we

1251
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 4: had to help ourselves. We have to get back to

1252
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 4: remembering those things. We cannot be tricked into this whole.

1253
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: We are all one because we're not. These other groups

1254
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 4: are not saying that. We're the only ones saying that

1255
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 4: here we are to the bottom half the least. It

1256
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 4: ain't no one checking for us once they get theirs right.

1257
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: How do you feel about FBA in their rhetoric.

1258
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 4: I use that term. I use that term quite often.

1259
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: It's pretty much a social term for pretty much saying

1260
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 4: that you are a descendant of the people who aren't slaved.

1261
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 4: It's some of the people who built America. So I

1262
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 4: agree with that and pretty much.

1263
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to interject, but can you define.

1264
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: What were the letters foundational foundational Black American?

1265
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, to subscribe to that. It's pretty much what

1266
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying now is just a social term. Freeman is

1267
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 4: a legal term that's legally recognized. We don't use it

1268
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 4: a lot. We're getting back to it. You know what's funny.

1269
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 4: South Carolina is the state that had the first Freeman's

1270
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 4: Bureau outside of d C. South Carolina is also the

1271
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 4: state that had the first Freeman's mak Right there in Beuford,

1272
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 4: not far from me. But foundational Black America is pretty

1273
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 4: much the same. Philosophy is just the social term, you know,

1274
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 4: it's not a legal term. And what we're saying is

1275
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 4: we have to delineate we are not as much as I.

1276
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 4: You know, I have friends from all over. As much

1277
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 4: as I may like Casians or Jamaicans or whatever, or

1278
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 4: Trinidadians or Beijians or Ethiopians or Nigeria's or the NaNs

1279
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 4: or you know, Puerto Ricans or Cubans, they're not me.

1280
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 4: You may be black from those countries, but you're not

1281
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 4: black like me. We are different. I am a freeman.

1282
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 4: You are not. I am old a particular debt payment

1283
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 4: from this nation. You are not. If that bothers anyone,

1284
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 4: then that means you are a problem. Because why I

1285
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 4: would never go to Cuba and say that Spain owes

1286
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,480
Speaker 4: me something, because of what they've historically done to Cubans.

1287
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 4: I want to go to Rwanda right now, Rwanda, the

1288
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 4: Democratic public of Congo. They're saying to Belgium, Belgium, you

1289
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 4: owe us. I will be extremely out of place if

1290
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 4: I went to Rwanda and Democratic public of Congo and

1291
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 4: start saying how dare y'all. Y'all are divisive? Belgium owes

1292
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 4: me too. No, I don't. I'm not a Rwanda. I'm

1293
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 4: not a citizen democratic public of Congo. Even though I

1294
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 4: moved there and I physically look like some of the people,

1295
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 4: I still don't have the same claim that they have. Namibia,

1296
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 4: another African nation, Germany, they're pushing for reparations. They're like

1297
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 4: nine tribes in Namibia. Two tribes are pushing for reparations

1298
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 4: from Germany. Germany paid it to the government. Now the

1299
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 4: tribe is finding the government saying that money belongs to us.

1300
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 4: No one's calling those tribes divisive because they didn't think

1301
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 4: about the seven other tribes. No, because they acknowledged this

1302
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 4: tribe went through something in particular and they have a

1303
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 4: special debt that's old to them. So what foundations Black

1304
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 4: Americans are saying unapologetically is that we are the people

1305
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 4: who were crucial in building this nation. We are old

1306
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 4: by this nation, and we are not going to be

1307
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 4: forced team and just having a generic black identity, what

1308
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 4: is black? You know that we're not all black the same.

1309
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 4: We used to get offended when white people would say, oh,

1310
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 4: you're just one Nigro, all Nippos. All you see one Nipper,

1311
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 4: you've seen them all. Imagine that's offensive. Imagine going to

1312
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 4: a Chinese person saying you're no different from a Korean person.

1313
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 4: You're no different from a Chinese person. You're the different

1314
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 4: a Filipino. They will be offended. So a why do

1315
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 4: people think it's okay to go to a freeman, a

1316
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 4: black American and say, oh, you're no different from a Haitian.

1317
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 4: You're no different from a Colombian. You're no different from

1318
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 4: a Jamaican. You're no different from a Cameronian Cameroonian. That

1319
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 4: is offensive. We are not all the same. That doesn't

1320
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 4: mean we hate each other. But I'm not apologizing for

1321
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 4: acknowledging that we are a unique group, what a unique history.

1322
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 2: Period and basically, you beat our ass, give us our cash.

1323
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 4: As far as the Haitians go, because I talk with Haitian,

1324
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 4: they'll say, oh, well, the Haitian revolutions set it all all.

1325
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: I have to correct that that's not true. You mentioned

1326
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 4: the Gola Geeche wars. I'm glad you mentioned that. Aging

1327
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 4: we had free settlements here in America before the Haitian Revolution.

1328
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 4: We had the settlements in Florida before h revolution happened.

1329
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 4: That's why people from South Carolina were running, were escaped,

1330
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 4: went down to Spanish control Florida, and we set up

1331
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 4: free settlements there. That caused people from South Carolina and

1332
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 4: Georgia to start feeding down the Florida and that's what

1333
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 4: led to the yama See or the Gladichi wars. So

1334
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 4: we are a group that's always stood up and fought

1335
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 4: for what's old to us, and we've always realized this

1336
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 4: is a special debt old to us. And that's what

1337
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 4: financial Black Americans saying that this is our nation. We

1338
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 4: built it, and we have a special claim that's old

1339
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 4: to us, and we love our our allies. What you're

1340
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 4: not going to do is come here and then you

1341
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 4: can dictate to us how we are to operate. That's

1342
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 4: not going to happen period. Right, So.

1343
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: This is one little question. You don't think it would

1344
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: be easier if we start from like Jim Crow Negro

1345
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: laws redlining. If we start from that period alone, it

1346
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: would probably be easier for us to put your reparations

1347
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: no going all the way back to slavery, because I

1348
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: think the having to try to calculate who gets reparations

1349
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: is going to continue to be the issue. And if

1350
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: black people don't know who they are in America, we're

1351
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: never gonna get all these niggas on one accord to

1352
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: do that.

1353
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 4: Well, I would say, look at what's going on with

1354
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 4: the surviving the survivors of the Tulsa Wall Street massacre.

1355
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: They're still alive right now. We know those people went

1356
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 4: through the Wall Street, Black Wall Street massacre and Toast Oklahoma,

1357
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 4: and yet they're refusing to pay them. Okay, like literally,

1358
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 4: these people survive the bombing of Black Wall Street and

1359
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 4: there are many Black Wall Streets, that's the most popular

1360
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 4: one in tolds to Oklahoma, and they're not getting paid.

1361
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,759
Speaker 4: So I would like to say that it would be easier,

1362
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 4: but we already have examples right now. We have My

1363
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 4: mother and father went through Jim Crow went through red lining.

1364
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,440
Speaker 4: I'm sure y'all, there's tens of millions of Black Americans

1365
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 4: right now, freemen who went through Jim Cored red lining.

1366
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 4: People know who they are. If it would be easier,

1367
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 4: they can pay them right now. But the funny thing

1368
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 4: is slavery was really not that long ago. I don't know.

1369
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 4: I have a commercial called Nana. If you follow me

1370
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 4: on ax, I posted it like last year, you could

1371
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 4: even just go to my Twitter account and type of Nana.

1372
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 4: I did a commercial for my nana. Nana Steam Washington Brown,

1373
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 4: my great grandmother. She died in twenty fifteen at one

1374
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 4: hundred and one. She was raised by a man who

1375
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 4: wasn't slaved. His name was Willie Simmons. He was enslaved

1376
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 4: in Beaufort, South Carolina. Okay, he died like in I

1377
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 4: think the nineteen twenties. He wasn't slaved. He helped to

1378
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 4: raise Nana. Nana helped to raise me. Nana just died fifteen,

1379
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 4: one hundred and one. So I literally grew up in

1380
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 4: the same house with a woman who was raised by

1381
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 4: a man who wasn't slaved. So when people like especially

1382
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 4: on white people, say, oh, that was a long time ago,

1383
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 4: it really wasn't. We literally have some people right now,

1384
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 4: old elders who were who literally grew up at a

1385
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 4: time where they were surrounded by people who were just

1386
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 4: formally enslaved and just coming off the plantation. But on

1387
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 4: that note, there, you know jd. Vance, the guy Trump

1388
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 4: picked for vice president. He probably won't admit this now,

1389
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 4: but In an interview, he said that he saw how

1390
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 4: white people in his area, you know, those former coal

1391
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 4: mining areas that are kind of economically depressed. Now, he said,

1392
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 4: he has seen how the government can cause harm to

1393
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 4: entire groups of people. He said, so lately he's been

1394
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 4: thinking more about reparations that black people, and his words

1395
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 4: have been calling for, he said, for Jim Crown redlining.

1396
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 4: So if people want to say, well, let's do reparation

1397
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 4: for Jim Corn red lining, Okay, yeah, let's do that,

1398
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 4: I'm still gonna just say that. I'm still gonna fight

1399
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 4: for the ones from there to slavery. But I'm not

1400
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 4: gonna stop though, with the one of slavery. You know

1401
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 4: why though, because the debt began with slavery. So people

1402
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 4: like to say, well, black immigrants should be a part

1403
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 4: of reparations because some of them were here during Jim

1404
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 4: Coren red lining. Okay, yeah, but they came after the

1405
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 4: debt was already old. The moment slavery ended in America

1406
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 4: was the moment America should have paid us. The moment

1407
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 4: they did it right away, that's from reparations. That's when

1408
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 4: the debt was old. They just made the debt compound

1409
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 4: because they didn't pay us. So people So when some

1410
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 4: people say, well some black immigrants were here doing germ

1411
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 4: core in red lining, well, first of all, they chose

1412
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 4: to come, second of all, and number two deaths. They came,

1413
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 4: but the debt was already old to us. They came

1414
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 4: after the debt had already began and it was just

1415
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 4: starting to compound because America has yet to pay us.

1416
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I say, one more thing we gotta lose.

1417
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 4: This defeats mentality too. That's another reason why yet we

1418
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 4: people say that ain't never going to happen. Anyone who

1419
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 4: says that they are freemen, you are an embarrassment to yourself.

1420
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 4: You're an embarrassment. They told our people slavery will never

1421
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: They said, this is how it's going to be. Slavery's

1422
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 4: not going to end. Get over it. And we fought back,

1423
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 4: and slavery ended. They said Jim Crow would never end,

1424
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 4: and Jim Crow ended. We're still going to the legacy

1425
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 4: of Jim Crow. But it did end. So any freeman

1426
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: out there saying we're never gonna get reparations and you

1427
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 4: are of the lineage, that's an embarrassment. You ought to

1428
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 4: be ashamed. Of yourself. So what do we do?

1429
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: What is the solution now? What do we do now,

1430
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: just even just starting with the three of us, what

1431
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: do we do now to push reparations forward for the

1432
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: next election.

1433
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 4: Well, what we do now is we educate people. Like

1434
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 4: we've been like having these conversations. People think that that

1435
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 4: doesn't make a difference. It's a victims I thought. My

1436
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 4: thing is, we do need to run for office, or

1437
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 4: find people who will run for office. We do need

1438
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 4: to support those people. That means help fundraise for them.

1439
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 4: That means knock on doors for them, call people for them,

1440
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 4: mail out flyers for them. We have to have people

1441
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 4: in power who are going to actually write the legislation

1442
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 4: and fight to get it passed. People may say it what,

1443
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 4: it's never going to pass. No, it's never going to pass.

1444
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 4: We have even bringing up the pass. We have to

1445
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 4: get people in office in power. But my mother told me,

1446
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 4: and my father told me too, you're skipping an important step.

1447
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 4: You have to educate people. And at first I thought, Okay, no, no,

1448
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 4: no no, somebody just gotta run for office. I gotta

1449
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 4: win and I'll get up there.

1450
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 2: And I do it.

1451
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 4: They were right, before you can even get to that part.

1452
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 4: You really do have to educate people. So the first

1453
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 4: thing is educate our people about what we're old. Who

1454
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 4: it goes to. It can be done, because it has

1455
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 4: been done before, is being done right now, and for

1456
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 4: how the people in power right now can do it,

1457
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 4: but they're choosing not to, and that's why they need

1458
01:19:45,240 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 4: to go. Number Two, we need to consider running for office,

1459
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 4: or at least being on teams of people who are

1460
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 4: running for office and pushing them in the direction whatever

1461
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 4: going to stand up for us. Number Three, if people

1462
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 4: are not standing up for we need to call them out.

1463
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 4: You know, one of the things that put me on

1464
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 4: people's radar originally before I even thought about running, was

1465
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 4: I confronted James Clyburn. I confronted him about his majority

1466
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 4: black district having the highest eviction rate. North Charleston has

1467
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 4: the highest e victory rate in America. Black women are

1468
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 4: the most likely to be put out on this street.

1469
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 4: James Clyburn's district has one of the lowest wages in America.

1470
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 4: It has one of the highest percentages of people making

1471
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 4: just seven dollars fifty cents per hour to almost any

1472
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 4: other place in America. We have issues with clean water

1473
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 4: in North Charleston. Again, Florence, South Carolina didn't mark South

1474
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 4: Carolina places that have issues with water quality his district.

1475
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 4: We all know about the Corridor of Shame where I live.

1476
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 4: That's a network of poor, majority black rural communities where

1477
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 4: the quality of education is awful and the level of

1478
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 4: poverty is sky high.

1479
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: And at the prison in the middle of it.

1480
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a lot of prisons. But James Clivern

1481
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 4: the most powerful members of Congress. This man has power.

1482
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 4: He gets Republicans to sign on to legislation all the

1483
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 4: time that they did not like. He's able to make deals.

1484
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,919
Speaker 4: He can make deals for everyone else. The Cataba Native Americans,

1485
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 4: who are a tribe in the mountains of South Carolina

1486
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 4: and North Carolina. They were former and slavers. Not only

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Speaker 4: were the Kataba Native Americans former and slavers, they were

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Speaker 4: also slave hunters and they were bruted. James Cliburn when

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Speaker 4: he first got into office, he had a reparations bill

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Speaker 4: passed for them, and the bill says for them to

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Speaker 4: get special protections, recognition, justice, and rights.

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Speaker 1: Exactly want I got to google what they look like?

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Speaker 1: Is I bet you they don't look like?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Right now, right, he haven't see Native Americans who

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01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 4: look like us here. They get nothing. Those poor damnagon

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01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 4: naive Americans have to go to the beautif Town Council

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01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 4: and stuff and fight like hell all the time just

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01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 4: for basic recognition that they still don't get. So James

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01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 4: Cliburn can do all of this for other groups. He's up.

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Speaker 4: They're stumping hard for illegal immigrants. Okay, when that shooting

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01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 4: happened in Atlanta, that was really some weird guy going

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01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 4: to some ASI and he was sitting there calling for

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01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 4: that Asian hate crime Bell. They'd like to say it

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01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 4: wasn't just an asient. Yes, the hell that was. That's

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01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 4: who they did it.

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01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: For, and they got money in that package. Is We

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01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: actually talked about it on.

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Speaker 4: This but when the shooting happened, James Clapper didn't say

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01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 4: a single word about hatred of black Americans and how

1510
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 4: it's been done for Central media to hate Crime Bell.

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01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 4: So you see you say that he gets away with it.

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01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 4: How we are not running up on hell and I'm

1513
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 4: not advocating for balance and may be very clear because

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01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 4: he will play that game and they will play that game.

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01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 4: But we need to be running up on these people.

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01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 4: We need to be saying, Hey, hold on, how dare

1517
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 4: you advocate for aging to get special protection but your

1518
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 4: own people have been a lynch gun now and mascolized

1519
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 4: nation for centuries and we don't have a single bill

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01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 4: specifically for us. How dare you advocate for the Gataba

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01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 4: navor Americans who are forming enslavers to get reparations but

1522
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 4: the freemen and yes they are, Yes, there are. How

1523
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 4: did he do the video with viral and someone is

1524
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 4: not that account is seriously got banned from Twitter, so

1525
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 4: I started this one that I have now, but the

1526
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 4: video is still floating around. He pretty much responded with

1527
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 4: some emotional language about these are my ancestors too, and

1528
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 4: don't you dare question that these are my answers. Emotionalism.

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01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 4: You know how they say what lawyers do when they're

1530
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 4: losing an argument, They pound the table, they get emotional

1531
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 4: to try to distract from the fact that they lost

1532
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 4: the argument. That's what he did. But I wouldn't let

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01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 4: him do it. And I kept pressing them about how

1534
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 4: his record of advocating for all these other groups but

1535
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 4: not advocating for us, And I pressed them about how

1536
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 4: desperately poor his majority black district is, which is why

1537
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 4: a lot of black people are leaving his district.

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01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot a lot of the older

1539
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: people need to go ahead and step down, and a

1540
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: lot of the new ones, a lot of the new

1541
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: younger politicians, they don't really want to make you give this.

1542
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,799
Speaker 1: They just want us close up proximity to white power.

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01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 4: Inact, they want to be able to take photos. It's

1544
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 4: go on Instagram and talk about how successful they are.

1545
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 4: They do it to flex on us. You see the

1546
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 4: problem with some of our people, if you want to

1547
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 4: call them that, They don't advance in power for us.

1548
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 4: They advance in power to look down on us. They

1549
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 4: advance in power so they can have lunches with a

1550
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 4: person of this elevated position. They advance in power so

1551
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 4: they can be able to get access to the areas

1552
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 4: where they formally did not have. They do it for

1553
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 4: them in their own advancement. They don't do it for

1554
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 4: our advancement. And that's the problem right there. I haven't

1555
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 4: gained a single thing from this. Matter of fact, I've

1556
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 4: suffered some backlashes, but I'm finding back obviously. But I

1557
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 4: knew even who it was going through it, even when

1558
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 4: I have had. My MO was a discouragement that I'm

1559
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 4: not doing it for me. I'm doing it for us.

1560
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 4: And let me be very clear, I can't stand a

1561
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 4: lot of us. I'm going to be very very clear,

1562
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 4: but it's not about whether I like us or not.

1563
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 4: It's about love of the justice and what has not

1564
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 4: been done for us. And I can't say I truly

1565
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 4: love justice where my own people have yet to get it,

1566
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 4: and I'm going around here looking out for myself. That's

1567
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 4: not right.

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: Amen? Amen?

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01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: Who this was really good.

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01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: This is an excellent conversation. I learned so much. I

1572
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: can honestly say I was very apprehensive about having a

1573
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 2: politician on. I'm like, oh, this nigga about to come

1574
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: and say that's how I feel. But we got to

1575
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: protect you at all colors. Okay you do. I support

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01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: everything you're saying, and I appreciate you so much.

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01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much.

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01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 4: We thank y'all so much for having me here, and

1579
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 4: y'all take care.

1580
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 2: No, no, no, don't leave yet. But want you to

1581
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: plug yourself. Tell people where they can find you, tell

1582
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: people where they can learn more, where they can support you.

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01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 4: Well. My website, Marcel, which people spell difference. I'm just

1584
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 4: gonna spell it mr Cel for Congress dot Com. It

1585
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 4: has on there. If you want to leave the nation,

1586
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 4: you made the campaign that's coming to us in But

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01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 4: you know, right now, I'm really doing a big push

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01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 4: to try to get people out there because visibility matters.

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01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 4: I'm running third party. I'm running with the United Citizens Party,

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01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 4: which was a party founded by Freeman here in South

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01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 4: Carolina in the nineteen sixties. So visibility is every day.

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01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to get the word out so if

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01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 4: anyone belaves the nation, I'll be great. But also on Twitter,

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01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 4: which is Marcel the number four Congress, and you can

1595
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 4: find a lot of my videos on there before I

1596
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 4: ran for office. Now that I'm running for office, you

1597
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 4: can just see a lot of my advocacy and a

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01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 4: lot of my educational work, because truth be told, that's

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01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 4: really what this is. This is really an educational work.

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01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: You educate people, to motivate people, to activate people.

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01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: I love it. It needs to be on a T shirt.

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01:26:59,040 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really does.

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Speaker 1: Aren't y'all vote for future Congressman Marcel Dixon.

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Speaker 4: Y'all?

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Speaker 1: If you enjoy this episode, y'all tune in every Thursday

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Speaker 2: Kick it Tam, y'all, It's official, Tam bam. I love

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Speaker 2: y'all so much. Remember speak now.

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