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Speaker 4: Hi.
Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 3: Each episode will discuss the reasons we now know that
Speaker 3: our loved ones have survived physical doubt and so will we.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Have you read the
Speaker 3: books by Neil Donald Walsh Conversations with God As a
Speaker 3: poor and often homeless man eventually had questions and answers
Speaker 3: with who he believed was God in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night, waking up and filling dozens and dozens of
Speaker 3: yellow legal pads with what became a most extraordinary conversation.
Speaker 3: In our episode today, I want to talk about this
Speaker 3: subject called inspired or automatic writing. I think it's important
Speaker 3: to talk about the term trance channeling and to perhaps
Speaker 3: open the idea to you that through writing there's an
Speaker 3: opportunity to continue the relationship you have with your loved one.
Speaker 3: Just a few episodes ago, we talked electronic voice phenomena,
Speaker 3: which is difficult. It takes time, it takes practice. I
Speaker 3: am a firm believer that our loved ones are closer
Speaker 3: than we could ever imagine, and that they communicate with
Speaker 3: us through our thoughts and our feelings. What if we
Speaker 3: have a journal dedicated to our loved one and we
Speaker 3: open it up and have that conversation. I don't think
Speaker 3: right away it may be possible, but who knows to
Speaker 3: have one hundred percent of their words flow through our hands.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, it might be one percent them and
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent us, but in time more of them
Speaker 3: can come through. Our loved ones need us to know
Speaker 3: that they're still alive, that they're healthy, that they're well,
Speaker 3: that we're going to see them again. They try when
Speaker 3: they can to make a visitation within a dream. I
Speaker 3: do think they do subtle things to bring our attention
Speaker 3: to look at a license plate or a sign that
Speaker 3: may have their name on it. I know for myself,
Speaker 3: I have moments that I'm driving in the car and
Speaker 3: I feel my grandmother's sitting next to me. It's so
Speaker 3: easy to chalk that up to our imagination. That's precisely
Speaker 3: how they communicate with us. So if you're open to this,
Speaker 3: I'd like to build upon this today, this thought of
Speaker 3: inspired or what many people call automatic writing. There is
Speaker 3: a difference. We will refer to it as automatic writing,
Speaker 3: but technically automatic writing is a bit of something else.
Speaker 3: We've heard of physical mediums and people that go into
Speaker 3: a trance like state who are not aware of the surroundings,
Speaker 3: and the spirit person can speak through him or her.
Speaker 3: If you've listened to the show for a while, our
Speaker 3: good friend Scott Milligan is one of these trance mediums.
Speaker 3: Automatic writing is having someone in that trance like state,
Speaker 3: eyes closed, pen in hand or with a hand on
Speaker 3: what's called a planned chet and the hand moves can
Speaker 3: either draw pictures or can write. True automatic writing is
Speaker 3: something to behold, and it's very rare. Some people with
Speaker 3: their eyes closed have written different languages. In one of
Speaker 3: the trance classes I took years ago, one of my
Speaker 3: fellow class members wrote in Chinese, and he does not
Speaker 3: speak Chinese. Someone else wrote identically to the writing of
Speaker 3: one of the loved ones in the class, perfectly wrote
Speaker 3: their name. How this loved one would write it. Also,
Speaker 3: someone else, eyes closed, wrote something and the only way
Speaker 3: it could be read was held up to a mirror.
Speaker 3: The term automatic writing, for most people means something different.
Speaker 3: It's what's called inspired writing. These are times when you
Speaker 3: are awake, but perhaps in that daydream state, when you
Speaker 3: have your hand to paper or fingers on a keyboard,
Speaker 3: and words come to your mind and you just write
Speaker 3: them down as you hear them. Not too long ago,
Speaker 3: you heard from Francis Key, whose mother came to her
Speaker 3: shortly after she passed while she was a passenger on
Speaker 3: the airplane. She's convinced it was her mother's words. However,
Speaker 3: the mother started sharing what ended up being four books
Speaker 3: worth of information about life, death, and the afterlife. I
Speaker 3: talked to my friend Pam Johnson yesterday, who recently wrote
Speaker 3: a book called Supernatural Love, and she claims she wrote
Speaker 3: it with her husband Alan.
Speaker 5: He would just tell me things, says, write this down,
Speaker 5: and a lot of times he didn't want to just
Speaker 5: talk mine to mine. He'd say, I want you to
Speaker 5: remember this, and if I tell you, you're going to
Speaker 5: forget it, so i'd write it down. So I encourage
Speaker 5: people to just start reaching out to whoever it is,
Speaker 5: your partner, your mother, your child, whoever you just want
Speaker 5: to talk to and say, okay, I want to talk
Speaker 5: to you. You hold them in your mind, maybe see
Speaker 5: them in your mind, or just say their name and
Speaker 5: just say and ask them a question, or just say
Speaker 5: what do you want to tell me, and just believe
Speaker 5: that they're talking to you. Because the thing is, I
Speaker 5: know from working with a spirit world that even if
Speaker 5: the first sentence is something you made up, they are
Speaker 5: going to start inserting their thoughts into your mind.
Speaker 3: That's just how it is.
Speaker 5: Because you asked for that. So they just start giving
Speaker 5: it to you, and you just have to prime the
Speaker 5: plump with what you're writing, and then it starts gushing.
Speaker 5: You know, they just let it in. So I tell
Speaker 5: people just write, just believe you're writing them. And I've
Speaker 5: had people tell me that sometimes the first time they
Speaker 5: start writing and they go, oh my god, I know
Speaker 5: that's not me, like I would have never written that,
Speaker 5: or that sounds like my husband or my mother or whatever.
Speaker 5: So you just have to jump in. It's not really hard,
Speaker 5: especially channeling our loved ones, because we already have the connection.
Speaker 5: Channeling your family members, you know, your spouse, your best friend,
Speaker 5: we're all one. How can it be hard unless you
Speaker 5: believe it's hard. That's the only stumbling block is that
Speaker 5: people don't believe, or they've been conditioned as you and
Speaker 5: I know that all of this is make believe or
Speaker 5: even worse that if you say you see these things
Speaker 5: or hear these things, that you're going to get locked
Speaker 5: up ham.
Speaker 3: She says she's channeled her husband Alan. She means she's
Speaker 3: brought through the words of Alan. Some people call themselves
Speaker 3: channels and do channeling, and you may see them on YouTube.
Speaker 3: They are people who are supposedly channeling beings from other planets,
Speaker 3: the Mother, Mary, the ascended Masters. While they may or
Speaker 3: may not be for me, that does not prove the
Speaker 3: existence of the afterlife. I always caution people to use
Speaker 3: your best judgment and if something someone says resonates with
Speaker 3: your soul empowers you to live your best life, by
Speaker 3: all means, use it. But the world of channeling, I
Speaker 3: think can be our imagination. But not only that, my friend,
Speaker 3: you and I are each divine souls having a human experience.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had a time where great ideas seem
Speaker 3: to come to you from out of nowhere? Now, that
Speaker 3: could be spirit guides and loved ones, but it's also
Speaker 3: your soul. We all have a very powerful soul that
Speaker 3: knows the answers. That's incredibly wise, So we can tap
Speaker 3: into our own divinity. We can ask questions get great answers.
Speaker 3: Some people get into the zone and can write music, poetry,
Speaker 3: do tremendous works of art. Time seems to go by
Speaker 3: so quickly. I believe those are times when we can
Speaker 3: be channeling our own soul, our own divine wisdom. The
Speaker 3: world of trance, to me, is something different. Trance someone
Speaker 3: speaks through you who actually existed once. We will hear
Speaker 3: towards the end of the episode some words from Scott
Speaker 3: Milligan on this subject, and we will hear some words
Speaker 3: through Scott Milligan's Trance mediumship from Eric, who is a
Speaker 3: man who died towards the end of the eighteen hundreds. Today,
Speaker 3: I'd like to share some words from a gentleman who
Speaker 3: you may not know his name, but you know his work.
Speaker 3: He's the film producer of movies such as Somewhere in
Speaker 3: Time and What Dreams May Come. He's the author of
Speaker 3: the book What Dreams Have Come, and he too, Stephen Simon,
Speaker 3: wrote this book with his wife who is in the
Speaker 3: unseen world. So bottom line, use and trust your own instinct. Personally,
Speaker 3: I would like all of us by the end of
Speaker 3: the episode if we are interested to try this inspired
Speaker 3: writing as a tool for us to be in touch
Speaker 3: with our loved one on a regular basis, so that
Speaker 3: you know they really are by your side once we
Speaker 3: transition to the other side. Do we have all knowledge
Speaker 3: of the universe? I think we have it at our disposal,
Speaker 3: so we can learn it in the halls of learning.
Speaker 3: But we have to learn it, discover it, practice it.
Speaker 3: If you talk to your loved one that you're going
Speaker 3: to start inspired writing as a way to be in
Speaker 3: touch with them and for their words to be said
Speaker 3: through you. I'm sure every time you make that date,
Speaker 3: they'll be there with you again. In the beginning, it
Speaker 3: can be one percent them ninety nine percent you. But
Speaker 3: through practice and through paying attention to your own feelings,
Speaker 3: more of them can come through. We need to be
Speaker 3: in the proper mindset to do it, but I know
Speaker 3: it is real. Here are some words by author Neil
Speaker 3: Donald Walsh. Is this his divine soul speaking? Is he
Speaker 3: channeling God? It doesn't matter if. To you this is
Speaker 3: the voice of truth. Do what you do for the
Speaker 3: sheer joy of it. Do what you choose, not what
Speaker 3: someone else chooses for you. Truth and God are found
Speaker 3: in the same place in the silence. Mine is always
Speaker 3: your highest thought, your clearest word, your grandest feeling. Anything
Speaker 3: less is from another source. Remember I said earlier that
Speaker 3: it could be ninety nine percent us and one percent them.
Speaker 3: As time goes on, and as you practice inspired writing
Speaker 3: or automatic writing, it could be more and more them,
Speaker 3: or more and more your divine soul. You'll find it
Speaker 3: in the silence. You'll find it when you say a
Speaker 3: little prayer to those who love you that are listening,
Speaker 3: and you'll find it the more on your journey you go.
Speaker 3: So let's go to our break and then we'll be
Speaker 3: back with words from author and movie producer Stephen Simon.
Speaker 3: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlaine, and as promised,
Speaker 3: I want you to hear some words from producer Stephen Simon,
Speaker 3: who was a film producer of some great movies. There
Speaker 3: was one on Conversations with God Somewhere in Time with
Speaker 3: Jane Seymour and Christopher Reeve and what Dreams May Come.
Speaker 3: When I caught up with Stephen, I asked him how
Speaker 3: he got involved in the afterlife. Here's our conversation.
Speaker 1: So when I look back on my life, I realized
Speaker 1: that my entire life was designed to lead to right now,
Speaker 1: that everything that I have done in my professional and
Speaker 1: spiritual context has been to lead to this. And here's
Speaker 1: why I say this. I had my first spiritual experience
Speaker 1: when I was about five almost six years old. My
Speaker 1: birth father had suddenly died. My mother remarried and we
Speaker 1: moved into a different house with my stepfather. And when
Speaker 1: we moved into that house, I began having visitations from
Speaker 1: what I told my mother and my stepfather was a
Speaker 1: man in my wall. And I would say to them,
Speaker 1: there's a man in my wall at night, and they
Speaker 1: would say, oh, are you scared them? No, I'm not scared.
Speaker 1: He helps me. He's there. Well, I didn't know it then,
Speaker 1: and my parents were not on a spiritual path. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it then, but I knew it later. Of course,
Speaker 1: that was my dad and he was there to comfort me.
Speaker 1: And that was my first exposure when I started growing up.
Speaker 1: When I was a teenager. What movies did I like,
Speaker 1: It's a Wonderful Life, Lost Horizons, The Ghost and Missus Muir,
Speaker 1: you know those kinds of films. And I grew up
Speaker 1: in the film industry. My dad was a writer and
Speaker 1: a producer and a studio head at Columbia in the forties.
Speaker 1: He made movies with Abbott and Costello and Red Skelton
Speaker 1: was his best friend. I remember on Sundays that Mark's
Speaker 1: brothers and all these great comedians would show up at
Speaker 1: our house. And unfortunately he suddenly passed away when I
Speaker 1: was five. But my mother then remarried another film producer,
Speaker 1: so I was brought into the film business. In a
Speaker 1: very young way, and into spirituality in a very young way.
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to get into the film business
Speaker 1: right away, and I did to other things. I worked
Speaker 1: in politics. Don't hold it against me, but I was
Speaker 1: a lawyer for a while. Okay, but I don't go
Speaker 1: to meetings anymore. I don't you know. I've gotten through
Speaker 1: that phase. I always knew I was going to get
Speaker 1: into the film industry. So one day I walked into
Speaker 1: a bookstore, right around my thirtieth birthday. I walked into
Speaker 1: a bookstore, and the clerk there and knew that I
Speaker 1: loved what we at that point called fantasy books. And
Speaker 1: he said, the great science fiction author Richard Matheson has
Speaker 1: a new book is called Bid Time Return. You should
Speaker 1: read it. So I took it home. I read it.
Speaker 1: The minute I read it, I thought, that's it. I
Speaker 1: need to get into the film business because I need
Speaker 1: to make this movie. That movie became three years later,
Speaker 1: somewhere in time, I begged my way into a job
Speaker 1: with an incredible film producer named Ray Stark, who had
Speaker 1: done Funny Girl, Funny Lady. The way we were Annie.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a prolific producer, and I begged
Speaker 1: my way into that job. The very first thing I
Speaker 1: did was find out who the agent was for, Richard Matheson.
Speaker 1: I called, I set up a lunch. Richard and I met,
Speaker 1: became lifelong friends. He became my spiritual mentor as well.
Speaker 1: And I said, look, I have no clue how to
Speaker 1: produce a movie, Richard, but when I do, this is
Speaker 1: going to be my first movie. Will you just shake
Speaker 1: my hand and agree to let me do that? And
Speaker 1: he was so bemused by that he said, of course,
Speaker 1: and we shook hands, and three years later we made
Speaker 1: Somewhere in Time. While we were making Somewhere in Time,
Speaker 1: while we were prepping it, he gave me the galleys
Speaker 1: for his next book, which was What Dreams May Come,
Speaker 1: And I started working on that. That took me twenty
Speaker 1: years to do for a whole bunch of different reasons,
Speaker 1: but it was something I knew I had to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been and continues to be for me,
Speaker 1: a very purpose driven life, very purpose driven life. I
Speaker 1: knew this is what I was meant to do. And now
Speaker 1: we formed the Spiritual Cinema Circle, my partner Gay Hens
Speaker 1: and I and Kay Katie Hendricks and I formed the
Speaker 1: Spiritual Cinema Sir, which we operated for sixteen years Spiritual Films. Now,
Speaker 1: all of this leads to me meeting my interwoven soul, Lauren.
Speaker 1: Lauren and I had both gone through two very unsuccessful
Speaker 1: marriages before we met each other. We both had two
Speaker 1: biological kids, and I have an adopted daughter. Brought an
Speaker 1: adopted daughter into the mix, so there were five of them.
Speaker 1: The minute I saw her, she turned around in a
Speaker 1: movie theater and I happened to see her and we
Speaker 1: both had the same reaction which we talked about later,
Speaker 1: not in the moment, which is there, she is there,
Speaker 1: he is, Oh my goodness. We did it. We met
Speaker 1: on the night we were supposed to meet, and from
Speaker 1: that point forward it was obvious that we were going
Speaker 1: to be together. We got married. It was an extraordinary
Speaker 1: time together, and I was the happiest I have ever
Speaker 1: been in my life, and I know that I will
Speaker 1: never reach that level again until we're reunited. On January
Speaker 1: third of twenty eighteen, I went to do an early
Speaker 1: morning workout at the gym. I came home and I
Speaker 1: knew Lauren had been up later than me the night before.
Speaker 1: She was watching television watching a movie and she was
Speaker 1: still asleep. It was around eight and she usually was
Speaker 1: not asleep that long, but I figured, well, she was
Speaker 1: up late. I waited, and then I went up later
Speaker 1: and I walked in the room and our dog was
Speaker 1: lying very quiet next to her, didn't even raise her
Speaker 1: head when I walked in the room, and I walked
Speaker 1: around the bed, and I found that she was gone,
Speaker 1: and it had been gone for a while because when
Speaker 1: I touched her to try to do compressions, when I
Speaker 1: got nine to eleven on the phone, nine one one
Speaker 1: on the phone, she was cold. I knew she was gone,
Speaker 1: and it was later confirmed to me that she had
Speaker 1: been for several hours. She had an undiscovered hard rhythmia
Speaker 1: and had just passed away peacefully in her sleep, which
Speaker 1: is I understand the way most angels do transition when
Speaker 1: they transition. Needless to say, it devastated me, and I
Speaker 1: haven't been the same since, and I assume I probably
Speaker 1: never will be, but that's okay. Lauren and I had
Speaker 1: talked at length about this eventuality. We thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be me because I was seventeen years younger
Speaker 1: older than Lauren, which I always when I say that
Speaker 1: her saying to me now in my ear, and now
Speaker 1: it's twenty honey, on his way to twenty one. It's
Speaker 1: getting up there, You're getting older and older. Anyway, we
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be me, and we talked
Speaker 1: a lot about it. Lauren is a very spiritual being.
Speaker 1: Lauren is an intuitive herself and a therapist. We actually
Speaker 1: designed our afterlife life experience together. She asked me, She said, Honey,
Speaker 1: I think we should do this. She had a sense
Speaker 1: of this, of what was coming. I know she did.
Speaker 1: And we did and I wrote it down and she said,
Speaker 1: put it in an envelope and seal it because I
Speaker 1: want you to have it to read later. I didn't
Speaker 1: really pay a lot of attention to this specificity of
Speaker 1: her words at that point. I want you to have
Speaker 1: it to read later, which I do now quite a lot.
Speaker 1: We had already talked about being in touch well for
Speaker 1: the first six weeks when I was a complete and
Speaker 1: utter basket case. I remember one night I called my
Speaker 1: dear friend, Neil Donald Waals, who wrote the Conversations with
Speaker 1: God books, and Neil has been a dear friend for
Speaker 1: twenty years. And I called Neil one night and I
Speaker 1: was so completely gone with grief, and I was sobbing
Speaker 1: and I couldn't talk for a while, and God bless Neil.
Speaker 1: He's the most patient person. And he just waited. He
Speaker 1: didn't say anything, he just waited, and finally I got
Speaker 1: out barely, Neil, I'm out of my mind with grief.
Speaker 1: And he said good. And I was like what, And
Speaker 1: he said, good, Stephen. You got to be out of
Speaker 1: your mind now and in your heart because that's where
Speaker 1: you're going to spend the rest of your life. And boy,
Speaker 1: did that ever make a difference. And Lauren, after six weeks,
Speaker 1: made her first contact, which I talk about we talk
Speaker 1: about extensively in the book, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get into here, but she made her first contact, and
Speaker 1: I knew that we would always be together from that
Speaker 1: and we have a lot of contact together. I was
Speaker 1: making notes on my feelings on yellow pads of paper,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I couldn't even read them the next day
Speaker 1: because I'd been so upset when I wrote them. But
Speaker 1: I had several pads of paper fade out. The end
Speaker 1: of September twenty eighteen, I went to Ashland, which is
Speaker 1: about four hours south of me here, to see one
Speaker 1: of our daughters, and have lunch at dinner with Neil
Speaker 1: and his wife. And I have to say this, for
Speaker 1: the six months before that, Ashland had received no rain
Speaker 1: and there was a drought going on down there. It's important.
Speaker 1: We had dinner in a restaurant where I was facing
Speaker 1: the front windows of the restaurant, and of course they
Speaker 1: said how are you? And I said, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: making all these notes, and Neil, you know, I'm beginning
Speaker 1: to feel like you must have and I'm thinking this
Speaker 1: is a book. At that exact moment, there was a
Speaker 1: huge lightning strike outside the restaurant, huge, and then thunder,
Speaker 1: and then Neil said, okay, and I know what the
Speaker 1: title has to be. What Neil, it has to be
Speaker 1: What dreams have Come Come? Another lightning strike.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm over here.
Speaker 1: Holy map. We were definitely aware we weren't in Kansas anymore.
Speaker 6: I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, well, then I guess I should
Speaker 1: start writing the book. Another writing lightning strike. And then
Speaker 1: it hit me and I said, and I think Lauren
Speaker 1: and I are supposed to write this together. Another lightning strike.
Speaker 1: And then it was over. And then we spent the
Speaker 1: rest of the night going how the heck did this happen?
Speaker 1: And I started writing the book together then and we
Speaker 1: published it last year, and that kind of brings you
Speaker 1: up to date.
Speaker 3: First of all, Wow, wow, I've read I think all
Speaker 3: of Neil Donald Walsh's books, and I remember seeing the
Speaker 3: movie that I think you produced.
Speaker 1: I produced and directed that movie. Yes, it was an
Speaker 1: amazing experience making a movie about one of my dearest
Speaker 1: friends who is still alive. Not too many people get
Speaker 1: movies made about them when they're still alive. And we
Speaker 1: shot at n Ashland where he lived as a homeless
Speaker 1: man before he got these messages, and it was an
Speaker 1: extraordinary thing.
Speaker 3: I think this is a good time to break four
Speaker 3: our break before we get onto the next subject with
Speaker 3: st Even Simon. His book is What Dreams Have Come,
Speaker 3: written by him and his wife Lauren from the other side.
Speaker 3: I hope you're getting that little itch that needs to
Speaker 3: be scratched about trying this for yourself, trying inspired writing
Speaker 3: as a way for you to be in touch with
Speaker 3: someone you love. They are invisible to your eye, but
Speaker 3: they are not invisible to your heart. You can feel them.
Speaker 3: They are alive and they want you to know it.
Speaker 3: So Let's go to the break and we'll be back
Speaker 3: with more. Steven Simon. You're listening to Shades of the
Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Hairinormal
Speaker 3: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm
Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain and we're talking to Stephen Simon, author of
Speaker 3: the book What Dreams Have Come and producer of the
Speaker 3: movie What Dreams May Come. This is him talking about
Speaker 3: the movie. Conversations with God probably the most important moment
Speaker 3: in the entire movie, and it was something I didn't
Speaker 3: know if Neil would go along with or not, and
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to do it without his permission. But
Speaker 3: there is a moment when Neil first the book first
Speaker 3: comes out and he starts talking to groups. He has
Speaker 3: just spoken in a bookstore and a woman has approached
Speaker 3: him and he processes something with her and he goes
Speaker 3: outside and his assistant comes out and says, are you okay?
Speaker 3: And he says, what if I'm making all this up?
Speaker 1: What if this is just me? What if I'm making
Speaker 1: all this up? And you know, it goes on from
Speaker 1: that because Neil had told me that that he had
Speaker 1: in the beginning a lot of questions about is this
Speaker 1: me making this up so I can write a book
Speaker 1: or is this really happening. After a while, he became
Speaker 1: much more comfortable with that. And I will tell you
Speaker 1: that this communication I have with Lauren, I wondered that
Speaker 1: a lot myself. When you are devastated, when you are
Speaker 1: completely heartbroken and grief stricken, can you make could you
Speaker 1: make this up? Steve? And then all you're doing is
Speaker 1: trying to comfort yourself. And when people ask me that,
Speaker 1: they say, how do you know? My answer is I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't one hundred percent tell you that it is real.
Speaker 1: This is about beliefs, and I can't quote prove it unquote,
Speaker 1: so I have to say to people, well, ninety nine
Speaker 1: and nine hundred and ninety nine tenths of one thousand,
Speaker 1: I'm certain, but you'll have to make up your own
Speaker 1: mind about that. And I think that also extends to
Speaker 1: how we see the afterlife. You know, in dreams, it
Speaker 1: is a magnificent painted world that Robin wakes up into.
Speaker 1: And there was a lot that went behind that, and
Speaker 1: there's a reason that the people who did those effects
Speaker 1: won the Academy Award that year for it because it
Speaker 1: was just mind boggling and our incredible production designer Eugenio Zenetti,
Speaker 1: who also got nominated for Academy Award. But the whole
Speaker 1: conceit of that is that he went someplace he was
Speaker 1: comfortable because his wife painted. His wife was the curator
Speaker 1: at a museum. It was a way they converse. They
Speaker 1: had paintings all over their house, and it gave him
Speaker 1: handrails to move himself into the afterlife, and everything that
Speaker 1: he experienced were images from his own life. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that I believe strongly in this experience
Speaker 1: now is that the afterlife is not one size fits all.
Speaker 1: The life is certainly not. Is it so very different
Speaker 1: people with very different beliefs. So why can't a person's
Speaker 1: afterlife experience reflect their beliefs in life? You know, if
Speaker 1: you believe it is going to be the traditional religious god,
Speaker 1: then it should be. And if you believe it's something different,
Speaker 1: then it should be that. And there's unlimited space. And
Speaker 1: I am assured by Lauren that what we've designed is
Speaker 1: what we are going to experience. I love that.
Speaker 3: I agree, and you said it earlier. When you're out
Speaker 3: of your mind with grief, but into your heart. I
Speaker 3: think the same thing holds true Stephen. When you read
Speaker 3: Conversations with God, when you read your book, there's a feeling,
Speaker 3: an emotion, there's something that resonates with our soul that
Speaker 3: this is the real deal. You know, it's not you.
Speaker 3: I mean, could be part you, part Lauren, could be
Speaker 3: part Neil, part God. But the truth just resonates to
Speaker 3: our soul that these are divine words. Let's listen.
Speaker 1: And I also think we're learning something now as we
Speaker 1: have been. You know, Sandra, if you go back at
Speaker 1: least in America, this what you might call spiritual movement,
Speaker 1: that is, has much in common with religion and with
Speaker 1: religious beliefs, but has much that is different. Really didn't
Speaker 1: start in earnest in this country until the fifties, nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: at Esslon and at other places around the country, at
Speaker 1: Esslin in Big sur when these big thoughts started, and
Speaker 1: then all of that literature flooded into the world. You know,
Speaker 1: it's Wayne Dyer's work, it's Neil's work, it's James Redfield's work.
Speaker 1: I mean, all of that came into the world. Well,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen one of those since illusion. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is now the information's out
Speaker 1: there right, and I think people are beginning to resonate
Speaker 1: with that. And because of that, we are learning a
Speaker 1: different language, and it is a language of the heart.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a movie many years ago that
Speaker 1: had a great line in it the heart is a
Speaker 1: mysterious organ It plays by its own rules. And to
Speaker 1: that I would most humbly add that the brain does
Speaker 1: not understand because it is a different language. And learning
Speaker 1: to experience the language of the heart is challenging. It
Speaker 1: is exhilarating, it can be frustrating, but it is a
Speaker 1: new way of being and I believe that for those
Speaker 1: who have these communications. And since we published the book,
Speaker 1: and since people such as yourself have been kind enough
Speaker 1: to have me on to talk about it, the emails
Speaker 1: that I've been receiving from people and the responses to
Speaker 1: the book have been so gratifying because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the reason that Lauren and I really
Speaker 1: did this was to say to people, hey, you're not alone.
Speaker 1: Don't let people tell you you're crazy. You can talk
Speaker 1: about this with people, and if they don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it, then those aren't people who should be in
Speaker 1: your tribe around you, you know, I mean that you
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to experience that, and I'm glad that we
Speaker 1: are giving some people some consensual validation that there are
Speaker 1: millions of us who are experiencing this. There are Facebook
Speaker 1: groups that are completely dedicated to this, to people who
Speaker 1: have lost spouses physically but are still communicating through the veil.
Speaker 1: Absolutely hoping it'll never be mainstream, which is a word
Speaker 1: I hate anybody because usually means well, it really doesn't
Speaker 1: say much of anything, but it doesn't offend anybody, you know.
Speaker 1: I would rather make movies like I've made, like Somewhere
Speaker 1: in Time and What Dreams May Come, that people either
Speaker 1: love or hate. And I can tell you they either
Speaker 1: love or hate both of those movies. There are very
Speaker 1: few people in the middle. And to me, that's art.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're trying to make everybody happy. You make no
Speaker 3: one happy. Tell us a little bit about the book,
Speaker 3: and what does it feel like when you write that
Speaker 3: you know it's Lauren, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, When we were actually writing the book, it was
Speaker 1: mostly in the second year after Lauren had transitioned. It
Speaker 1: was mostly in twenty nineteen. It was automatic writing when
Speaker 1: I was feeling Lauren and people said, you know, well,
Speaker 1: when you converse with Lauren, do you hear her voice?
Speaker 1: And my answer is no, I don't because her voice
Speaker 1: was a part of her body, and her body was cremated.
Speaker 1: It doesn't exist anymore. So I don't hear her voice,
Speaker 1: but I feel her words in my heart, and I
Speaker 1: know my wife. We've been together a long time. I've
Speaker 1: had so many mediums, and one in particularly, a very
Speaker 1: dear friend who you may know, Alison du Bois, talk
Speaker 1: about this and it's like, you know, Stephen, you guys
Speaker 1: have been doing this for so long, you don't really
Speaker 1: need anybody to help you communicate with each other. When
Speaker 1: that all happens, your life changes. It becomes the focus
Speaker 1: of your life. And this is the focus of my life.
Speaker 1: And I hope that when the time comes that I
Speaker 1: do reunion with Lauren, we will have left behind a
Speaker 1: marker for people who have these kinds of love. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have to be a spouse. It can
Speaker 1: be a mother, a father, a child. I've gotten some
Speaker 1: heartrending emails from people who have lost children and then
Speaker 1: have reconnected with them on the other side of the veil,
Speaker 1: and it is why when I said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: my whole life seems like it has been funneled into
Speaker 1: this as my final public facing project. You know, I
Speaker 1: have no idea when I'm going to rejoin Lauren. Only
Speaker 1: my soul knows that. But in the meantime, we have this.
Speaker 1: We have five amazing adult kids and four amazing grandchildren
Speaker 1: hint hint to a couple of daughters with more to come.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's taken me almost four years to
Speaker 1: get to a place where I actually feel I'm kind
Speaker 1: of emotionally okay, at least most of the time. But
Speaker 1: as most people know, grief, the best quote I ever
Speaker 1: heard about grief is that grief lasts as long as
Speaker 1: love does.
Speaker 6: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's the case.
Speaker 3: The more we love, the more it hurts. You know,
Speaker 3: we are connected, And when my dad passed, we were
Speaker 3: so close, and it really took about four years before
Speaker 3: I felt like this dark cloud started to let go.
Speaker 3: I thought, oh my gosh, I'm coming back. And grief
Speaker 3: is an automatic process that we can certainly do things
Speaker 3: to help ourselves, but we need to really be gentle
Speaker 3: on ourselves and when the time comes, does let up.
Speaker 3: But until then, like you have made such a difference,
Speaker 3: your movies, your words, your books. I don't even know
Speaker 3: all about the spiritual cinema and things that you've created there,
Speaker 3: but they'll live on forever, Stephen. And people have that
Speaker 3: aha moment by watching a film not even expecting it,
Speaker 3: and that has the power to set people on their
Speaker 3: spiritual journey.
Speaker 1: It does, and I feel very fortunate I have been
Speaker 1: gifted with all this. This is something that I knew
Speaker 1: I needed to do when I came here, and when
Speaker 1: I recognized what my life purpose was, the universe just
Speaker 1: created it for me and I basically needed to stay
Speaker 1: out of the way. Yes, getting Dreams made after twenty
Speaker 1: years was twenty years of people telling me, you can't
Speaker 1: forgetting the fact that no one will ever go see
Speaker 1: this movie, Stephen, no one will ever know how to
Speaker 1: make it right. And for a long time that was
Speaker 1: true until I found the guy, Vincent Ward, who's a
Speaker 1: brilliant director from New Zealand who knew exactly how to
Speaker 1: make it.
Speaker 3: And he did Steven's film What Dreams May Come, that
Speaker 3: took him twenty years to produce, won seven Academy Awards
Speaker 3: when it came out back in nineteen ninety eight. You
Speaker 3: never know what can happen if you follow your dreams.
Speaker 3: So it's time for our next break and we'll be
Speaker 3: back listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and I
Speaker 3: forgot to mention that Stephen Simon's website is what Dreams
Speaker 3: Have Come dot com. Now wouldn't it be nice to
Speaker 3: hear what the afterlife thinks of inspired writing and how
Speaker 3: we can be in touch with our loved ones. Yep,
Speaker 3: we can do it. As I told you earlier. One
Speaker 3: of our dearest friends is Scott Milligan. Twenty six years.
Speaker 3: He's been sitting on behalf of the spiritual world. The
Speaker 3: most loving and wonderful messages come through his trance mediumship
Speaker 3: through the voice of Eric Robert Johnston, who passed at
Speaker 3: the end of the eighteen hundreds. I've sat with Scott
Speaker 3: over two hundred hours now and have moderated questions and
Speaker 3: answers with mister Eric on life, death, in the afterlife,
Speaker 3: great questions and you're always welcome to join us. So
Speaker 3: I'm going to first place some words from Scott. This
Speaker 3: is from our class this week. He teaches a class
Speaker 3: called Trance and the Altered States online just so you
Speaker 3: can hear his voice and then you'll hear from mister Eric.
Speaker 4: The achievement must be correct. And I'm so excited to
Speaker 4: see so many people on the wonderful social media sharing
Speaker 4: their gift. But what I'm concerned is are they at
Speaker 4: that level yet to share their gift by all means
Speaker 4: in the safety of a circle and the safety of
Speaker 4: the environment will really excel you forward. But also once
Speaker 4: you go public, you're opening yourself up to criticism, which
Speaker 4: is chink to your armor, which you really have to
Speaker 4: work to get over as.
Speaker 1: Things go on.
Speaker 4: But I want you all to have a long jeopardy
Speaker 4: with our gifts within our movement and to make yourself
Speaker 4: available to the spirit world so the spirit world can
Speaker 4: then use you for rare opportunities. Part of the development
Speaker 4: was to say to the spirit world, if you need me,
Speaker 4: take what is needed, guide me to where I'm meant
Speaker 4: to be so that I can sweep the path. And
Speaker 4: the moment we started to offer those thoughts, I kind
Speaker 4: of asked myself why was I allowed to sit every
Speaker 4: night in a seance with Colin Fry, David Thompson, Stuart Alexander,
Speaker 4: and Joan Navison, and for my own development and rare
Speaker 4: occasions Polly as well. Why is it that I was
Speaker 4: allowed to go to cober Hill and sit next to
Speaker 4: the mediums that were demonstrating, or be able to go
Speaker 4: and stay with Eileen Davies and live with David Thompson,
Speaker 4: and to then go to Mavis Botilla's house and be.
Speaker 1: With her for a period of time.
Speaker 4: I believe, in my humble opinion, is because we made
Speaker 4: that promise to the spirit world that we open ourselves
Speaker 4: up to serve. Now, I'm not saying for one moment
Speaker 4: I played any part in their development.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: But I believe that the other world saw an opportunity
Speaker 4: that they needed just a little bit more. And that's
Speaker 4: these little gold nuggets that you get. And so I
Speaker 4: kind of really want you to start offering yourself to
Speaker 4: the spirit world and say, look to our friends and
Speaker 4: to our helpers and to the Great Power. If you
Speaker 4: need me or you need something, take or guide me.
Speaker 4: I am yours. As my love moves within your world,
Speaker 4: may your thoughts move within my mind. And these wonderful
Speaker 4: opportunities will present themselves to you, and sometimes flowers grow
Speaker 4: in the darkest and dampest places which have a great
Speaker 4: impact within this world. So by all means watch, by
Speaker 4: all means prey, but by all means give of yourself
Speaker 4: and great things will come.
Speaker 3: So this next clip is me talking to mister Eric
Speaker 3: on one of our fridays. It's called in the Arms
Speaker 3: of Eternity. As a trance medium, Scott takes at least
Speaker 3: ten minutes to blend with his eyes closed with the
Speaker 3: spirit world. Some of these people I told you to
Speaker 3: do these channels from who knows who? Well, they can
Speaker 3: just close their eyes and start talking, which leads me
Speaker 3: to believe it's more of them and less of the
Speaker 3: spirit world. She says. My husband passed five years ago.
Speaker 3: I so much want to be in touch with him.
Speaker 3: So I have taken mediumship and automatic writing courses, but
Speaker 3: I feel that I don't really shift into an expanded state.
Speaker 3: How can I be a better conduit to exchange messages
Speaker 3: from him and give messages to others for the highest good?
Speaker 6: Thank you Eric, Well, my friend, may I say this
Speaker 6: to your The journey has already begun for you to
Speaker 6: know that your husband lives on. Many people in your
Speaker 6: world do not accept that statement. But you know because
Speaker 6: you are searching. Even though it has been five very
Speaker 6: long years, five very painful years that have been days
Speaker 6: in weeks and months, but you have found the strength
Speaker 6: to investigate. Is it truly possible, with some results years,
Speaker 6: to be a better instrument for our world? It is
Speaker 6: to sit in company of who you are. This will
Speaker 6: be the root of your development. Like any tree that
Speaker 6: reaches great heights, it must always draw from its root
Speaker 6: to the strength the route will hold it firm, even
Speaker 6: though the mighty wind will blow, It will hold it
Speaker 6: to the earth if the rivers burst their banks. You
Speaker 6: must always remain with the core of the development of
Speaker 6: sitting to know who you are. Once you become relax
Speaker 6: with this thought and the emulation of communication starts to
Speaker 6: exude from you, then grab that pen and bring it
Speaker 6: to life. But to understand. For this moment it may
Speaker 6: be the pen that writes, but it comes from the
Speaker 6: message within. You will realize you may not have to
Speaker 6: hold the pen and just sit and listen to the
Speaker 6: voices that may speak through the memory of who you are.
Speaker 6: To allow the time to be your friend, not your
Speaker 6: enemy to appreciate life and also appreciate the eternal life.
Speaker 6: Every time you think of the loved one, and in
Speaker 6: this instance in the story your husband, if you think
Speaker 6: of him and see him happy and well and shares
Speaker 6: laughter and strong memories, that brings overwhelming joy. That is
Speaker 6: him working his way into your life after he survived it.
Speaker 6: If you see or think of anything that causes any
Speaker 6: disruption or discomfort, or any pain or tears of sadness,
Speaker 6: it has come from your mind. And therefore we have
Speaker 6: to work with your mind to return that smile.
Speaker 1: Do you so to.
Speaker 6: Become a sharper tall or instrument, or a clearer voice
Speaker 6: of our world, like the master's hand has to master
Speaker 6: the tall. As you unfold your understanding, we also learn
Speaker 6: to work with you. So it works on two sides
Speaker 6: of the stream. My friend, you can become clearer, but
Speaker 6: we may have to catch and speed our thoughts rapidly.
Speaker 6: And so, my friend, psychomatry helps for you to understand
Speaker 6: the vibration of now and of the past, building your
Speaker 6: sensitivity so that all facets of who you are can
Speaker 6: be used, and from that can be the rise of
Speaker 6: the spirit. And therefore you become and use the title
Speaker 6: media arm a medium between the worlds for the world.
Speaker 6: You may travel the world and sit in different chairs
Speaker 6: and listen to different explanations, but you are learning from
Speaker 6: someone else that seems communication from their own making. And
Speaker 6: are you not the storyteller of your own story? Be
Speaker 6: who you are and be in your own company. And therefore,
Speaker 6: my friend, your giftful unfold how it is meant to unfold,
Speaker 6: not with the influence of someone else's ideas. Sound to
Speaker 6: my dear. Is that pleasing, yes, very much, so, thank you, Eric.
Speaker 6: I apologize to you all that time is against me.
Speaker 6: It has been the fascinating conversation to engage with the
Speaker 6: words that others have uttered, or to hear your sweet
Speaker 6: voice has uplifted my spirit. But may I return this
Speaker 6: to you and say to each of you, you who
Speaker 6: may go to bed this day concerned, allow your mind
Speaker 6: to be free, just for a moment. For when you sleep,
Speaker 6: let us counsel you, so when you wake you have
Speaker 6: the focus to face the day and see it through.
Speaker 6: May be the love of our world wrap around you
Speaker 6: and the families that you represented this day, May they
Speaker 6: know and have the knowledge of the eternal life. Good
Speaker 6: day to you my.
Speaker 3: Friends, and good day to you. Mister Eric. You can
Speaker 3: always join us on a Friday. Just go to We
Speaker 3: Don'tdie dot com click on the store page. Well, as
Speaker 3: it's been said in this episode, the journey has already begun.
Speaker 3: I know it has for you because you are listening today.
Speaker 3: As Neil Donald Walsh said, be out of your mind
Speaker 3: and into your heart. That's where it all begins. As
Speaker 3: mister Eric was talking about going within, please revisit episode
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen for the experiential journey and I
Speaker 3: hope you start inspired writing or automatic writing, have that
Speaker 3: special journal between you and your loved one and see
Speaker 3: what unfolds. In closing, I'm Sandra Champlain and I'm always
Speaker 3: so happy to be your host on Shades of the
Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal
Speaker 3: Podcast Network.
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