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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do government shutdown possibility.
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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and start with the government shutdown. As
Speaker 3: Crystal said, tomorrow is the official deadline at midnight, and
Speaker 3: it does look all roads currently lead to a shutdown,
Speaker 3: although we will talk soon about whether the Democrats will
Speaker 3: cave or not. But here we have the initial word
Speaker 3: from the House Speaker, Mike Johnson, basically saying we're not
Speaker 3: negotiating at all, calling the Democrats bluff.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5: So just to be clear, there's not going to be
Speaker 5: any negotiation at this meeting. This is just going to
Speaker 5: be you and Thun and Trump telling Jeffries and Schumer
Speaker 5: we're not giving you anything.
Speaker 6: Look, I'm not going to get in front of the
Speaker 6: President and tell you what he will do, but I've
Speaker 6: talked with him a couple of times, even yesterday, and
Speaker 6: I'm telling you where his head is. He wants to
Speaker 6: bring in the leaders to come in and act like
Speaker 6: leaders and do the right thing for the American people.
Speaker 6: It's fine to have parties and debates and squabbles, but
Speaker 6: you don't hold the people hostage for their services. Allow
Speaker 6: your self political cover. And that's what Chuck Schumer and
Speaker 6: Haikim Jefferys are doing right now.
Speaker 3: So basically saying we're going to go to the meeting
Speaker 3: and we're going to tell them we're not negotiating. This
Speaker 3: is going to be them telling us we are not
Speaker 3: giving you anything. Mike Johnson, that is where the president's
Speaker 3: head is at. And so the Republican strategy is kind
Speaker 3: of interesting. This has been telegraphed now for quite some time.
Speaker 3: We were talking about it a bit before the break,
Speaker 3: and there is the biggest question in Washington is are
Speaker 3: the Democrats going to cave because for years they went
Speaker 3: after the Republicans for manufactured shutdowns. They called them reckless,
Speaker 3: they said they were holding the government hostage. But the
Speaker 3: thing is now the Democratic base is like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: want to do some of that. They're like, give me
Speaker 3: some of that. Let's screw over Trump. But the X
Speaker 3: factor here is that Trump, and we'll get to this
Speaker 3: in a little bit, is also like, listen, if you
Speaker 3: guys are going to shut the government down, then I'm
Speaker 3: going to do some crazy stuff here and I'm going
Speaker 3: to fire a bunch of government employees.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do whatever I want with the government.
Speaker 3: You know, the president has a ton of unilateral authority
Speaker 3: on how to actually execute a shutdown. I remember the
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen the quote Bayner shutdown, as Obama called it
Speaker 3: at the time. They were furious because the Republicans shut
Speaker 3: the government down, and Obama was like, all right, I'm
Speaker 3: going to close all the national parks. And they're like, well,
Speaker 3: you didn't actually have to close the national parks. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I can to show the public what you're doing. Eventually,
Speaker 3: you know, they did cave. To be fair, there was
Speaker 3: a government shutdown under Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I covered that.
Speaker 3: Day in and day out. He caved completely to Chuck
Speaker 3: Schumer and to Nancy Pelosi. It was over border wall funding.
Speaker 3: But after a while he folded completely to the pressure.
Speaker 3: A lot of the public was actually pretty upset about
Speaker 3: it too. So shutdown politics are very very hard to predict.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the big question are the Democrats going to fold?
Speaker 2: No idea well, and so it really rests on Chuck
Speaker 2: Schumer's shoulders because the dynamics here are you know, they
Speaker 2: need to pass the funding bill. The funding bill, because
Speaker 2: Republicans have control of the House, has already passed the House,
Speaker 2: so that's done and dusted. Now it needs to get
Speaker 2: through the Senate. The Senate you need Democrats help because
Speaker 2: of that sixty vote Philibus rule. So that's why you
Speaker 2: have this dynamic. And you know, there's no doubt that
Speaker 2: Schumer wants to cave. I think he didn't want to
Speaker 2: do this to begin with, to be totally honest with you,
Speaker 2: and he's but he's feeling the pressure from Democratic base
Speaker 2: that's like, when are you all going to actually fight?
Speaker 2: And you know, the dynamics for Democrats are pretty grim.
Speaker 2: They don't have you know, they don't have the House,
Speaker 2: they don't have the Senate, they don't have the presidency.
Speaker 2: So this is one of the only times that Republicans
Speaker 2: need them. There was another time earlier in this Trump
Speaker 2: administration where the base again really wanted leaders to fight.
Speaker 2: The Democratic leadership decided not to fight at that time
Speaker 2: and to completely stand down. They have been raked across
Speaker 2: the coals from their own people ever since that moment,
Speaker 2: and so that's why they feel pressure to do something
Speaker 2: this time. So what they've decided to draw the line
Speaker 2: around is these healthcare subsidies. So they're really making a
Speaker 2: stand saying we are not going to vote for this
Speaker 2: bill unless you restore these Affordable Care Act subsidies that
Speaker 2: are set to expire at the end of the year.
Speaker 2: And the basic dynamic is you've got Republicans kind of
Speaker 2: divided on what to do about those subsidies. I think
Speaker 2: that's why Democrats see this as a winning issue. Not
Speaker 2: to mention, obviously it's very popular to continue the subsidies
Speaker 2: because if you don't, you're going to have millions of
Speaker 2: people who ultimately will be unable to afford healthcare through
Speaker 2: the AC exchanges, and you're going to have premiums spike
Speaker 2: dramatically for some twenty two million Americans. So there are
Speaker 2: a lot of Republicans, including actually Trump's polster Tony Fabrizio,
Speaker 2: who have warned about these premium spikes, saying, hey, Republicans,
Speaker 2: if you guys let this happen, this is actually going
Speaker 2: to be a political problem for you. You have some
Speaker 2: Republican moderates who want to extend those subsidies. Some were hardline,
Speaker 2: like fiscal hawk types who don't want to extend those subsidies,
Speaker 2: and so that's why they kind of pick this issue
Speaker 2: for the fight because they feel like it's a popular
Speaker 2: one and one where the magabase is divided.
Speaker 3: No, it's smart. I would I'd give it to him
Speaker 3: as you. By the way, two ACA members here right
Speaker 3: as small business owners, so looking for at eighteen.
Speaker 4: Pcarity money expensive thank you present drum for.
Speaker 3: That one, especially when you have a child and your
Speaker 3: premium goes up by fifty percent and you're like, oh wow, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, now imagine having a couple of them.
Speaker 1: I can't even put myself in that headspace.
Speaker 3: But the point actually around this is I think they
Speaker 3: backed their way into a shutdown, and that's very much
Speaker 3: the same way that the Republicans back in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: And also I'm trying to remember a few of the
Speaker 3: initial Tea party waves is look, they just want a shutdown,
Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, and then they
Speaker 3: would pick the issue of which they were going to
Speaker 3: fight and try to mobilize the base on at the
Speaker 3: end of the day.
Speaker 1: It's like the Seinfeld thing.
Speaker 3: It's like a shutdown about nothing, but it's a shutdown
Speaker 3: for the sake of satisfying all institutional politics. I do
Speaker 3: really wonder though, how this rubs up against Democrats, because
Speaker 3: they really were the party of norms and of perpetuating them.
Speaker 3: And that's still where the Senate broadly is, right like,
Speaker 3: that's who Schumer. Schumer and a lot of his sixty five,
Speaker 3: seventy or eight year old colleagues, these are institutionalists.
Speaker 1: They don't like to see what the Republicans did.
Speaker 3: They hated Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and these new bombers.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, because we're not yet in the
Speaker 3: post twenty twenty six period where some new blood of
Speaker 3: some sort is going to come into the Democratic Party,
Speaker 3: who would really be rallying this. Yeah, the Republicans right now,
Speaker 3: or they're Democrats right now, are so torn. And you
Speaker 3: see this in Schumer's comments. So here was wh already
Speaker 3: had to say recently just yesterday on Meet the Press,
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: The bottom line is very simple, Kristen. It's up to
Speaker 7: them if they come into the meeting to seriously negotiate.
Speaker 7: And the reason we've been pushing for months, we've been
Speaker 7: resolute that we need a meeting, that we need a
Speaker 7: real negotiation. That you don't do this by one party
Speaker 7: putting together a completely partisan bill and saying take it
Speaker 7: or leave it. So they felt the heat. The President
Speaker 7: at first said no member. He first said yes for
Speaker 7: a meeting, then he said no for a meeting. It
Speaker 7: went on a rant against Democrats, but I think they
Speaker 7: felt the heat and they now want to sit down.
Speaker 7: But the fundamental question hasn't been answered yet, and we'll
Speaker 7: see on Monday.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we need a kind of weak
Speaker 1: in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, did you see his answer when they asked
Speaker 2: him like, oh, what are you going to do? We're
Speaker 2: going to cover Trump threatening Portland with invasion, full force
Speaker 2: if necessary, and they're like, what are you going to
Speaker 2: do about this? He's like, well, I would hope there
Speaker 2: are some Republicans like dude, and you were laying this
Speaker 2: ount like this is really kind of the fundamental divide
Speaker 2: between where democratic leadership is and where the base is.
Speaker 2: Leadership is still in this like sort of normal politics mode,
Speaker 2: like I'm going to reach across the aisle and we're
Speaker 2: going to get a bipartisan deal done, and we want
Speaker 2: to maintain the norms and institutions, and the base is like,
Speaker 2: no fucking burden down, Like even if there are consequences,
Speaker 2: even if it's risky, we want to see you fight
Speaker 2: and even on the healthcare thing, Like what the base
Speaker 2: would really want them to fight on is healthcare? Yes,
Speaker 2: but also you need to get your troops out of
Speaker 2: American cities. Like the sort of fascist crackdown aspect of
Speaker 2: the Trump administration.
Speaker 4: Is what the base is.
Speaker 2: What yah is where the base would really want them
Speaker 2: to pick a fight. I'm underdow illusion that chucks youroomer's
Speaker 2: going to pick a fight over Israel. But you know,
Speaker 2: those are the areas where I think the Democratic base
Speaker 2: is most inflamed and would like to see them fight.
Speaker 2: They're like trying to be I think you said this
Speaker 2: too cute by half. With the healthcare thing, Yes, it's
Speaker 2: a really important issue. Okay, we're talking about millions of
Speaker 2: people cost of healthcare.
Speaker 4: This is critically important.
Speaker 2: But you can also kind of see just like the
Speaker 2: political machinations are a little too negative. Like we pull
Speaker 2: tested this and this is what our focus groups said,
Speaker 2: and this is where we know that the mega base
Speaker 2: and the Republican electeds are divided, and so that's why
Speaker 2: we're picking this particular spot as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we should also think back to the way the
Speaker 3: Republicans did. I mean, look, if you want to take
Speaker 3: a page out of political effectiveness. The Republican Party has
Speaker 3: been very good at this over the last decade or so.
Speaker 3: The twenty thirteen shutdown was broad. It's not just the
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen shutdown, because some of that was ACA. But
Speaker 3: to be fair, that's where the Republican base was, right.
Speaker 3: They were like, no, we're done with Obamacare. The future
Speaker 3: fights that the Republicans picked with Obama were all on
Speaker 3: illegal immigration, which, by the way, the polling was not
Speaker 3: necessarily like on their side, quote unquote.
Speaker 1: But that's where the base was.
Speaker 3: I think that's the reason why is because they had
Speaker 3: tea party, like the Dems have still not gotten truly
Speaker 3: smacked with reality about where their base is. Eventually, you know,
Speaker 3: after the Dave Bratt stuff with Eric Canter, they're like,
Speaker 3: all right, you know, it's a matter of political survival.
Speaker 3: They're like, this is what we have to do. Bratt
Speaker 3: beat Canter purely on the issue of immigration. And then
Speaker 3: obviously Trump comes in twenty sixteen wins the primary probably
Speaker 3: based on that message more than anything. And so when
Speaker 3: you put that together and you can also see that's
Speaker 3: what fight and being you know, that's what fight and
Speaker 3: with the base politics and trying to move the country.
Speaker 3: Looks like that's what a real political effective party ultimately
Speaker 3: is all about. And so with Trump though, and this
Speaker 3: is where the norms thing is all going to come
Speaker 3: into play, because Trump doesn't care about norms. So let's
Speaker 3: go and put a three up on the screen. He
Speaker 3: just gave an interview to a CBS sixty minutes. It
Speaker 3: was by the phone, So we're just pulling some of
Speaker 3: the quotes. He says, quote, I just don't know how
Speaker 3: we're going to solve this issue, Trump said. A source
Speaker 3: close to Trump told CBS the president privately welcomes the
Speaker 3: prospect of a shutdown because it enables him to wield
Speaker 3: executive power to slash government programs and salaries. And so
Speaker 3: that kind of leads into a four. We can put
Speaker 3: that on the screen. Behind the scenes, the White House
Speaker 3: is very happy about a shutdown. They say that they
Speaker 3: can just use it as an excuse for mass layoffs,
Speaker 3: for deregulation, and for military deployments because you know, one
Speaker 3: of the things with shutdowns is they always pay the troops.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those where you know, everybody pays
Speaker 1: the troops.
Speaker 3: Everybody make sure the Social Security goes out, everybody else
Speaker 3: kind of comes down. But the thing is is that
Speaker 3: because of their extraordinary powers, as I said, the executive
Speaker 3: under a shutdown, while technically is not supposed to be
Speaker 3: able to do whatever it wants, it basically can do
Speaker 3: whatever it wants and declare whoever they want essential. So
Speaker 3: for them, they're like, oh, okay, cool, so we don't
Speaker 3: have to run this Department of Education, we'll just do
Speaker 3: ice the military and Social Security. They're like, good luck Democrats, right,
Speaker 3: And I mean kind of smart to be honest, because
Speaker 3: you know, they've they borrowed that page from previous shutdowns
Speaker 3: under Clinton and under Obama, where as they continually had
Speaker 3: to as the executive started to grapple with what shutdowns means,
Speaker 3: they became very good at saying, all right, we're going
Speaker 3: to use it for political purposes.
Speaker 1: We're going to do whatever we want.
Speaker 3: I think the Democratic response is Trump is whatever he
Speaker 3: wants anyways, Right, that's so yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's funny there put that headline back up
Speaker 2: on the screen, because it makes the point they're like layoffs, deregulation,
Speaker 2: and military deployments. He's literally already doing all of those.
Speaker 2: So that's why I think you know, the base in
Speaker 2: particular feels like where's the threat, Like this is all
Speaker 2: You're already doing whatever you want with your executive power.
Speaker 2: You're already acting like a king and have zero checks
Speaker 2: on you. So this is the only bit of power
Speaker 2: that Democrats can wield whatsoever. So that's why they're like
Speaker 2: you have Chuckture where you have to fight, you have
Speaker 2: to do something here, and you know, I mean, the
Speaker 2: problem for Democrats is that their leadership is extremely weak.
Speaker 2: They're extremely poor messengers. Trump is an extremely effective and
Speaker 2: relentless messager. And that's what the shutdown politics end up
Speaker 2: usually boiling down to, like who can message the public better?
Speaker 4: You know which side?
Speaker 2: And look, the Democrats have a decent hand to play
Speaker 2: because they can say, listen, just give us, just make
Speaker 2: sure americans health care premiums aren't.
Speaker 4: Going to go up.
Speaker 2: That's it, Like that's all you have to do, and
Speaker 2: we'll go along with your thing. Why is this so hard?
Speaker 2: Many of you are saying you want to do this anyway?
Speaker 2: So they have a decent plan to play. Do they
Speaker 2: have a decent player to play that hand?
Speaker 4: Really? Not so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go, let's go through the history of the
Speaker 3: government shutdowns. So the most recent government shutdown was the
Speaker 3: one I believe under what prolonged government shutdown. There's been
Speaker 3: mini shutdowns, you know, twenty four hours or whatever, they
Speaker 3: didn't really matter. But in January twenty eighteen there was
Speaker 3: a three day shutdown. That's when they did a filibuster
Speaker 3: over DACA. But ultimately they caved, so you could see
Speaker 3: that it wasn't particularly successful. The big one was the
Speaker 3: thirty five day shutdown. I have the timeline right now
Speaker 3: in front of me. That was December twenty two to
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. I remember because Trump was in the White
Speaker 3: House all alone, and he was like, I'm all alone
Speaker 3: here in the White House.
Speaker 1: Democrats, He's like, please wild times.
Speaker 3: That one again was over border security, and even though
Speaker 3: Trump dragged it out for a month, he ultimately cave.
Speaker 3: Because what happens is and this is all about timing
Speaker 3: as well. The longer it goes, the executive seems to
Speaker 3: get some of the blame, even with good politics or
Speaker 3: good messaging, just because people are get sick of no
Speaker 3: government services or you know, here in Washington, I mean,
Speaker 3: we feel it the most right because we have all
Speaker 3: these federal government workers but in general, like the federal
Speaker 3: government is the biggest employer. You never know, we could listen,
Speaker 3: we're heading into hurricane season, like you really want them
Speaker 3: to shut down with her, It could be politically disastrous
Speaker 3: for the administration prior to that. So this was a
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen shutdown. That was the ACA one that was
Speaker 3: sixteen days, and then obviously President Clinton had a twenty
Speaker 3: one day shutdown over with Gangridge. I'm not as familiar
Speaker 3: with the details of that one. I've read a little
Speaker 3: bit about it, but broadly it looked like Clinton was
Speaker 3: the victor in that shutdown. In the twenty thirteen shutdown,
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty unambiguous that Obama was the broad
Speaker 3: victor on the politics there. If you think with Trump
Speaker 3: he was definitely the loser against Schumer and against Pelosi,
Speaker 3: there's no honest assessment because he literally gave up nothing
Speaker 3: after thirty five days. So that's what I mean. We
Speaker 3: just don't know where these things will go. I think
Speaker 3: it'd be smart for the Demoscrats shutdown. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: it's not only where the base wants it, but also
Speaker 3: because the base is already pissed off at Trump for
Speaker 3: like extraordinary action and he does it. Anyways, it's like okay, whatever,
Speaker 3: I mean. Look, it's kind of in a bi directional.
Speaker 3: The Republicans base would also love it too. They're like, great, you.
Speaker 1: Know, but now we get to do whatever we want.
Speaker 3: So I don't see as much and I don't know
Speaker 3: right now, and put my money on Dems caving at
Speaker 3: some point, either immediately. I don't know if they'll cave immediately,
Speaker 3: but a seventy two hour shutdown and then they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Trump just fired fifteen thousand employees.
Speaker 1: You could see it.
Speaker 2: One thing to mention about the previous shutdown that you said,
Speaker 2: you know, Trump loss and Pelosi and Schumer won. Pelosi
Speaker 2: and Schumer Pelosi is a much better tactician, much fiarsier,
Speaker 2: much better messenger, think and feel however you want about her.
Speaker 2: She is a much better politician than Chuck Schumer is.
Speaker 2: I think that much is totally clear. So this now
Speaker 2: resting on the shoulders of Chuck Schumer and like kind
Speaker 2: of King Jeffreys is like, shouldn't be too confidence inspiring
Speaker 2: here in terms of, you know, have the Democratic base
Speaker 2: being able to pull off something that approaches a victory.
Speaker 2: The other thing that's we're saying is let's say that
Speaker 2: that we're wrong, that is actually Trumpet case. That's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what, I want to make sure everybody has
Speaker 2: that healthcare. We're going to do a great thing for
Speaker 2: the people. We're going to make sure everybody is healthcare. Right,
Speaker 2: let's say that he does that. There is nothing that
Speaker 2: would require him to keep that deal, because you just
Speaker 2: had a Supreme Court once again shadow docket ruling that
Speaker 2: essentially allowed them to go forward with what's called a
Speaker 2: pocket recision, meaning that Congress can authorize let's say, the
Speaker 2: ACAA subsidy extension, and then he can just decide not
Speaker 2: to do it. The Supreme Court now hasn't ruled officially
Speaker 2: fully on the merits of that, but until they do,
Speaker 2: and God only knows when that will happen, he can
Speaker 2: do whatever he wants. He is not obligated. And this
Speaker 2: is completely different. Okay, power the person is supposed to
Speaker 2: be with Congress. Supreme Court has at least for now
Speaker 2: greenlit him being able to back out of whatever deal
Speaker 2: that he strikes here and say, now you know what,
Speaker 2: I changed my mind.
Speaker 4: I don't want to do the healthcare subsidies.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, so that's an important dynamic to keep in mind
Speaker 2: here as well as we move into these negotiations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put a five on the screen.
Speaker 3: I've seen this a lot of progressive Democrats passing this
Speaker 3: one around.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, So you can't make it up.
Speaker 3: In the midst of shutdown planning, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand has
Speaker 3: circulated an invitation for a quote NAPA retreat.
Speaker 4: On over the wine Cave is back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say the wine caves, wine cave.
Speaker 3: So the government shutdown. The retreat would fall on what
Speaker 3: might be day twelve of the shutdown. The itinerary features
Speaker 3: accommodations at the Hotel U ten Bill with a resort
Speaker 3: and spa that extends a Tuscan European vibe, and a
Speaker 3: wine tour and didn't her at the Staglan Family Vineyards
Speaker 3: and emidst Its wine Caves. The plan for the luxury
Speaker 3: trip comes amidst Trump administration's threat of mashed firings for
Speaker 3: federal workers. A Democrat briefed on the event tells US
Speaker 3: is also slated to include a representative, Hailey Stevens, who
Speaker 3: is campaigning for a state's open Senate seat. As a
Speaker 3: gritty daughter of the Midwest. So and that's important with
Speaker 3: these Michigan Dems. Slotkin recently talking about remember when she
Speaker 3: was on Colbert after our show and she's like, its
Speaker 3: just corn fed folks. No, they're not okay, like CIA
Speaker 3: people are not corn fed folks. Well bear Yale Harvard, yeah, graduate,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Just stop.
Speaker 2: Well the other thing, that's just a little note there
Speaker 2: is So this is a d SCC.
Speaker 4: So that's a.
Speaker 2: Democratic Senatorial campaign committee, and they invited Hailey Stevens, who's
Speaker 2: running in the Democratic primary for that Michigan Senate seat.
Speaker 2: But she, you know, she's up against two other significant
Speaker 2: contenders that would be abdulal Sayed and Mallory mcmarrow. This
Speaker 2: is also the d SC putting their some on the
Speaker 2: scale for miss Haley Stevens, who, by the way, has
Speaker 2: received some five million dollars in Israel lobby funding.
Speaker 3: So just so you know, yeah, that's I don't know,
Speaker 3: Dems need to get their act together with the base,
Speaker 3: like you guys need to fight and I know, look
Speaker 3: it's coming from me, just you know whatever, But I
Speaker 3: don't see like at this point, the Tea Party Action
Speaker 3: people were barnstorming the country in this point in the
Speaker 3: Obama administration, they were everywhere. Yes, the cope is always
Speaker 3: oh but that was all billionaire funded. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 3: no Democrats who found the billionaires Like, come on, like,
Speaker 3: what are you guys doing? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the billionaires don't want this, why not like
Speaker 2: what they don't want the Yeah, they don't want the
Speaker 2: you know, pro the like pro Palestine that you know,
Speaker 2: tax the rich. That's where the Enterry Party and that's
Speaker 2: not where the billionaires are.
Speaker 3: And get your shit together because at this point, like
Speaker 3: you need to organize, you need to do something, because
Speaker 3: you are not currently on track to deliver the type
Speaker 3: of success that the Tea Party was able to because
Speaker 3: that was about money plus grassroots. That's ultimately, and I
Speaker 3: think the grassroots. Everyone always tries to say the Tea
Speaker 3: Party was AstroTurf. Sorry it wasn't. It was like actual
Speaker 3: mass outrage. Yes, there was a lot of money backing
Speaker 3: in that helped, you know all that stuff. This is
Speaker 3: the truth with all grassroots style movements. There's money in
Speaker 3: all kinds of special interest groups. It's only when you
Speaker 3: have an issue that actually resonates are you able to
Speaker 3: do anything. So if the Democratic base does not going
Speaker 3: to have their billionaires, then do something about it. Like
Speaker 3: you need to form your political action committees, get out there,
Speaker 3: create the litmus test for candidates, actually just hammer the
Speaker 3: shit out of them. Create and find your slate of
Speaker 3: issues and where you and then you have to hold
Speaker 3: the line. You're like, if you do not support doctor issue,
Speaker 3: we will not vote for you. Like if you do
Speaker 3: not commit immediately to making sure that we're no longer
Speaker 3: with Chuck Schumer, that we're going to defund Trump or whatever,
Speaker 3: pick your issue, then you're not going to do anything.
Speaker 3: Because in the absence these Hailey Stevens people can always
Speaker 3: come around. This is what this is what the pro
Speaker 3: Republican establishment politicians we do put fighting against Obama and
Speaker 3: they're like, ooh yeah, but we need you to fight
Speaker 3: against Obama on our terms. You don't just get to
Speaker 3: say fighting Obama.
Speaker 1: Same thing here.
Speaker 3: You can't just say, oh, drump is bad. It's like,
Speaker 3: is that it right? Because that's the easiest possible slate.
Speaker 3: I don't think the dums have gotten their act together period.
Speaker 3: Obviously not going to come from the national level, but
Speaker 3: I don't even see it at the grassroots level, like
Speaker 3: people need to show up. You know, there's some campaign
Speaker 3: canaries in the coal mine. You've got Zoron and yeah,
Speaker 3: he's an extraordinary politician, very just different circus circumstances, very
Speaker 3: very liberal city and base. Like the what made the
Speaker 3: Tea Party extraordinary was we're going into the blue dogs
Speaker 3: and we're blowing them out. You know, we're going into
Speaker 3: the primaries, We're primary we're making their life hell. Eric
Speaker 3: Canter spent more on steak here at a steakhouse in
Speaker 3: Washington than Dave Bratt spent on his entire campaign, Like
Speaker 3: you got to fight back against that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on all of that, and I
Speaker 2: do want to see more. But I will say also
Speaker 2: with Dave Bratt, it's not like you would have said,
Speaker 2: oh there's this organized like Dave brattmoth.
Speaker 1: It came out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of things like that that
Speaker 2: are happening. So just to name a few, obviously Zoron, obviously,
Speaker 2: Graham Plattner we already named, checked Abdul said, who are
Speaker 2: drawing really hard lines and saying we're not going to
Speaker 2: vote for Chuck Schumer. We are you know, pro Palestine.
Speaker 2: This is genocide, like going hard. You also have Corey
Speaker 2: Busch has jumped back into the Royals, Yeah, against Wesley Bell,
Speaker 2: who's one of the top like APAC recipients in Congress
Speaker 2: and constantly shilling for them, just signed a letter against
Speaker 2: recognizing a Palestinian state. You've got Shoycott Chakrabadi, who was
Speaker 2: AOC's chief of staff, who's running against Nancy Pelosi. Actually
Speaker 2: don't think Pelosi has officially announced, yes that she's running again,
Speaker 2: but he just released some internal polling that showed him
Speaker 2: actually firing pretty competitively with her, which is a that
Speaker 2: is a shocking turn of events that anyone could even
Speaker 2: be in the race. So and there are there are
Speaker 2: more many that I don't even know their names. So
Speaker 2: you do have these dynamics playing in primaries. You're right,
Speaker 2: and I ran in that twenty twenty twenty ten cheap
Speaker 2: party year, so I can tell you.
Speaker 4: For sure the energy was real.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: There was funding you know from the Todd There's no
Speaker 2: doubt about it. But there was also a genuine like
Speaker 2: backlash to Obama that was being expressed at that time.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 4: You have also that.
Speaker 2: Genuine Democratic based backlash, but somewhat more in CO eight
Speaker 2: and less sort of like organized than it was now.
Speaker 2: It's worth saying too, it is still pretty early, like
Speaker 2: we're still you know, the formation of primary fields is
Speaker 2: happening right now, and part of why Schumer feels like
Speaker 2: he has to do this, which is not something he
Speaker 2: wants to do again. He feels like he has to
Speaker 2: because he feels the heat from his base. There's no
Speaker 2: doubt that if he runs again and AOC runs against
Speaker 2: him in a primary, like he's going to lose. And
Speaker 2: he's aware of that polling. I'm sure he's aware of
Speaker 2: the way that people perceive him and how they don't
Speaker 2: see him, and because he hasn't as being any sort
Speaker 2: of a fighter, and so even the fact that they're
Speaker 2: picking this fight is an expression of how they are
Speaker 2: fling pressured by their own base.
Speaker 3: Very well said I just to people, don't if you're
Speaker 3: too young and you don't remember the Tea Party.
Speaker 1: Here's what happened.
Speaker 3: Plus sixty three GOP seats plus six GOP seats in
Speaker 3: the Senate, plus six GOP governors, the biggest midterm victory
Speaker 3: for a party since nineteen thirty eight. You have that
Speaker 3: same type of energy if you want it at the
Speaker 3: wrong level, right, And I didn't even get into that
Speaker 3: the state leg thousand state legislators, it.
Speaker 2: Was massive, and which that the terms were redistricting, which
Speaker 2: ended up being you know, it continues to be consequential.
Speaker 3: Very well said. And that's my point is I don't
Speaker 3: I just don't see that. Yeah, here, okay, I have
Speaker 3: it here twenty state legislative chambers which flipped, which was
Speaker 3: specifically important for the twenty ten census for redistricting. That's
Speaker 3: what power actually looks like. I just don't see it yet.
Speaker 3: It could be right, it could come. You can have
Speaker 3: some organic but there's a big difference, let's say, between
Speaker 3: a twenty five point swing and the sixty points swing.
Speaker 3: Like to make it extraordinary and to just like punch
Speaker 3: the administration like if you want it in the face.
Speaker 3: But I don't know right now, there's not enough seriousness
Speaker 3: of taking control. I think it largely has to do
Speaker 3: with the establishment and the way that they think because fundamentally,
Speaker 3: like to their money, bottom line issue set, et cetera.
Speaker 3: It really is an existential threat. But you got to
Speaker 3: keep in mind it was it was very similar for
Speaker 3: the Republicans too, Like for a lot of these establishment Republicans,
Speaker 3: the way that they did business back in two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine was completely disrupted and destroyed. Like you can
Speaker 3: only teach them by hitting them. There's no other way.
Speaker 3: So we'll see. I don't know I personally again, I
Speaker 3: think that thems are going to blink. I just think
Speaker 3: that they're so married to like the federal government as
Speaker 3: an idea that the mere prospect of mass firing, like
Speaker 3: you're gonna put it against up.
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna put it.
Speaker 3: Past Trump to fire twenty five thirty forty fifty thousand
Speaker 3: workers like he will, right, and they're going to freak
Speaker 3: out about that. That's what a big part of the
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen shutdown, part of the reason the Trump cave.
Speaker 1: But the big Democratic message was.
Speaker 3: All of these federal government employees are not getting their
Speaker 3: paychecks right.
Speaker 1: It's devastating.
Speaker 3: So that there's like a religious marriage between the bureaucrat
Speaker 3: and the Democratic Party that I'm not sure at the
Speaker 3: institutional level, I don't know if they're willing to stomach
Speaker 3: you know, what it takes to actually go go through.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I think, like I said, I don't think Schumer wants
Speaker 2: to do this fight. He's forced into it, and so
Speaker 2: I think probably his plan is like, let me put
Speaker 2: up some sort of show of resistance and then once,
Speaker 2: you know, I get credit with the base for having
Speaker 2: allowed to shut down to go through or stood up
Speaker 2: to Trump or whatever, then I'm going to find some
Speaker 2: way to walk back from this ledge.
Speaker 4: That would be my guess of his plan.
Speaker 3: Don't you think a seventy two hour cave is worse
Speaker 3: than just shut down a cave in just cave?
Speaker 2: I don't think he I don't even have to say
Speaker 2: I don't think. I know that these Democrats are totally
Speaker 2: out of touch with where the base is and what
Speaker 2: they want and how sort of radicalized they've become in
Speaker 2: this moment. And part of their radicalization is about what
Speaker 2: Trump is doing, and part of it is about the
Speaker 2: failures of their own media apparatus and their leadership. And
Speaker 2: I say I know that they're out of touch with
Speaker 2: this because in particular, you know, one of the manifestations
Speaker 2: of this frustration is obviously on Israel, and you still
Speaker 2: see them all out there trying to find some middle
Speaker 2: ground and tiptoe around it. Hakeem Jeffries still not endorsings around.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's completely insane, and it's like you all
Speaker 2: have no idea how loathed you are by your own
Speaker 2: Democratic base. I mean, Zoran outperformed to keep Jeffreys by
Speaker 2: like twenty points or something ridiculous in his own district,
Speaker 2: and I don't think they've internalized that. And I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what it's going to take for them to internalize that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what their Dave Bratt moment is going
Speaker 2: to be, but one of those is coming where they're
Speaker 2: going to realize like, oh, we we really are in
Speaker 2: trouble here with our own people.
Speaker 8: You know why.
Speaker 3: I also because politics should matter, you know, the expression
Speaker 3: of your voters should actually matter. And you know, the
Speaker 3: one thing I think you can say about the Republicans
Speaker 3: is like they mostly do what their base kind of
Speaker 3: wants them to do, and they don't really care they
Speaker 3: do about about you know, the media or whatever, and
Speaker 3: there's just too much institutional elite worship and fundamentally, like
Speaker 3: that's where my war is with these you know, the
Speaker 3: kind of that bipartisan Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer type style leadership.
Speaker 3: These people need to go they're largely the ones responsible
Speaker 3: for even the reason like where we are where we
Speaker 3: are today. So yeah, I would like to see them
Speaker 3: be punished and punished badly, And because the voice of
Speaker 3: people actually should matter, and political leadership is supposed to
Speaker 3: be broadly reflective, and there's actually no way to solve
Speaker 3: existential questions if you don't actually tackle them, and if
Speaker 3: you just kind of put your blinders on and look
Speaker 3: past it and pretend that it's all fake.
Speaker 1: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: I am an accelerationist though, So that's me, all right,
Speaker 3: I've always been contradictions.
Speaker 1: I think that's good. Let's get to the shootings.
Speaker 2: Okay, very grim situation unfolding over the weekend for separate
Speaker 2: mass shootings. Let me give you the top line for
Speaker 2: all four, and then we can take a look at
Speaker 2: the I guess the most deadly one, which was a
Speaker 2: Mormon a shooting at a Mormon church. So four dead
Speaker 2: and eight wounded there. Perpetrator was also killed in gunfight
Speaker 2: with cops. You had two killed and five injured in
Speaker 2: a casino in Texas. You had one dead and others
Speaker 2: injured in a neighborhood in Pennsylvania. And you had a
Speaker 2: gunman who killed three people and injured five others at
Speaker 2: a pack North Carolina waterfront bar. That suspect has been
Speaker 2: taken into custody. So I'll give you some details on
Speaker 2: all of these, but let's go ahead and start with
Speaker 2: this Mormon church shooting, which was absolutely horrific. Can put
Speaker 2: these images up on the screen. You can see the
Speaker 2: church was not only so a pickup truck rammed into
Speaker 2: this church. The killer then shot indiscriminately at people. We
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of details about the exact sequence
Speaker 2: of how this unfolded. Law enforcement is also saying there
Speaker 2: were IED's which were recovered from the scene. As I
Speaker 2: said before, the death toll has now risen to four
Speaker 2: killed an eight wound. Did this was a Mormon church
Speaker 2: that was in Michigan, so truly horrifying series of events.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and show you some images of
Speaker 2: the truck that rammed into the church.
Speaker 4: Here, you can see it there.
Speaker 2: People noted right away, of course the American flags in
Speaker 2: the truck bed, and then also there was an a
Speaker 2: rock War veteran license plate on that truck. And sure
Speaker 2: enough we actually put before up on the screen. It
Speaker 2: turns out that the alleged will say killer here who
Speaker 2: also was, like I said, killed by law enforcement in
Speaker 2: a gun battle pretty quickly after this all unfolded. By
Speaker 2: the way, law enforcement is getting a lot of credit
Speaker 2: for their rapid response preventing even additional loss of life
Speaker 2: from this horrific situation.
Speaker 4: So looks like this was in a rock war.
Speaker 2: Veteran Thomas Sandford I did as the gunman who attacked
Speaker 2: this church, killing too and setting it a blaze. Don't
Speaker 2: know a ton about him. He does have a young
Speaker 2: child roughly ten years old. He is married, served in
Speaker 2: a rock for I think roughly four years overseas. Let's
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to a little bit
Speaker 2: of what law enforcement had to say.
Speaker 4: This is B three during this incident.
Speaker 9: What we know right now is it a forty year
Speaker 9: old suspect from Burton. He's a male. He drove his
Speaker 9: vehicle through the front doors of the church. He then
Speaker 9: exited his vehicle, firing several rounds at individuals within the church.
Speaker 9: Ten gunshot victims have been transported to local hospitals at
Speaker 9: this time, including one who has been deceased. Officers who
Speaker 9: were trained immediately responded to the area. One was a
Speaker 9: DNR officer, and then one was a Gramblank Township officer
Speaker 9: where they met the suspect and they engaged in gunfire
Speaker 9: with that particular individual, neutralizing that suspect. And that suspect
Speaker 9: is no longer with us. As I said, it is
Speaker 9: a forty year old male burn.
Speaker 2: So, as I've announced, are we have no idea about
Speaker 2: the motive here. Of course, everyone quick looked to see
Speaker 2: what this guy's political affiliation was. He appears to be Republican,
Speaker 2: but it also appears like this is someone who was
Speaker 2: a veteran of one of our wars who apparently lost
Speaker 2: his mind. I mean, they're starting to talk to people
Speaker 2: who knew him, haven't been able to press, hasn't been
Speaker 2: able to get in touch with the family, Like they're
Speaker 2: not responding on no surprise there. But the people they
Speaker 2: were able to speak to were like, I would never
Speaker 2: in a million years think that this guy would do that.
Speaker 2: They're one thing they're looking at. I have no idea
Speaker 2: whether this is related or not. But the day before
Speaker 2: this shooting, an attack occurred. Russell Nelson, the oldest ever
Speaker 2: president of the Mormon Church, died at the age of
Speaker 2: one hundred and one and then this is obviously an
Speaker 2: attack on the Mormon Church. Police are looking into whether
Speaker 2: that's linked in any sort of a weird way, but
Speaker 2: it appears that this is, you know, someone who was mentally.
Speaker 3: I interview posted late last night of a local politician
Speaker 3: who was canvassing the area and he actually interacted with
Speaker 3: the suspect for his testimony, and what he said is
Speaker 3: that when he listened anybody who's involved in public life,
Speaker 3: and you and I have been in this situation before,
Speaker 3: you get to meet the bottom two percent of the
Speaker 3: population who are like mentally ill and schizophrenic, who have
Speaker 3: kind of crazy ideas, And he apparently cornered this local
Speaker 3: politician and had that classic side of mental illness. We're
Speaker 3: on the surface, perfectly nice guy. Within two minutes is
Speaker 3: talking about how LDS is the anti Christ the Mormons,
Speaker 3: So you know, it looks like a listen. I mean,
Speaker 3: the Mormons are classic target, unfortunately for a lot of
Speaker 3: people involved in like these wars over Christian theology. And
Speaker 3: it's very easy target in particular for somebody if you're
Speaker 3: mentally ill, and you're if you're steeped in all of
Speaker 3: this and look pure speculation, but you know, it doesn't.
Speaker 3: It's not a far leap to say somebody who's served
Speaker 3: in Iraq, you know, if you look at the suicide rate,
Speaker 3: mental illness rate, and the effect of what all that takes,
Speaker 3: not to mention, I mean, didn't seem to be doing
Speaker 3: particularly well, like was living in like substandard conditions. So
Speaker 3: you put all that together with what happened, and it's
Speaker 3: very you know, it's very very tragic incident. Especially the
Speaker 3: Mormons always have been targets for people, for people like this,
Speaker 3: and it's really sad. I mean, you know, it's just
Speaker 3: these are people who are gathering some of the people
Speaker 3: who were shot, literal children.
Speaker 1: It's Sunday.
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be like a sacriscancic place. So it's
Speaker 3: just it's a horrific tragedy. But it's one of those
Speaker 3: where when you put it together broadly, and I unfortunately
Speaker 3: I was not here for the ice shooting.
Speaker 1: You guys did a good job.
Speaker 3: But the point around it is just look at these guys.
Speaker 3: It's like a rampant mental illness throughout the country, and
Speaker 3: in the veteran case. I mean, look, we all agree,
Speaker 3: I think that nobody does nearly enough. It's highly inefficient.
Speaker 3: Even though the VA spends a ridiculous amount of money
Speaker 3: per patient, the services and the administration that they do
Speaker 3: is it's it's a disaster. Most of the veterans I
Speaker 3: speak to almost always have a substandard experience. It's very
Speaker 3: easy for guys like this to slip through the cracks,
Speaker 3: and it's obvious. I think it's pretty obvious to me
Speaker 3: that that's probably what happened here. You know, four eight
Speaker 3: some of the worst year serve in Iraq than you have.
Speaker 3: You know, a prolonged period of time, mental illness can
Speaker 3: happen very quickly. It can be exacerbated, as we've talked
Speaker 3: about at length about drug use online, just periods of
Speaker 3: time you know, you can snap and the slide through
Speaker 3: that is not a surprise. And the fact that this
Speaker 3: local politician is saying, I canvas this guy and within
Speaker 3: minutes he's telling me about how anti christ nailds yeas,
Speaker 3: it gives us a little bit of an insight.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, Well, and that wasn't the only murderer shooting
Speaker 2: mass shooting by a rock War veteran over this weekend.
Speaker 2: So we can put this next B five up on
Speaker 2: the screen. This was at the North Carolina waterfront. So
Speaker 2: they say a lone gunman killed three people, injured five
Speaker 2: others at a pac North Carolina waterfront bar late Saturday.
Speaker 2: Police are describing me as a highly premeditated attack. This
Speaker 2: guy who now calls himself Nigel max Edge, she changed
Speaker 2: his name to that, who's forty years old, detained by
Speaker 2: the Coastguard, charge with recount first degree murder, five counts
Speaker 2: of attempted murder, five counts of assault with the deadly
Speaker 2: weapon another and he's another veteran of our war on
Speaker 2: terror foreign wars. So you know, we don't know that
Speaker 2: much about this individual yet what he was doing and
Speaker 2: saying police are calling this premeditated. We don't have a
Speaker 2: motive for this one either, but again fits with you know,
Speaker 2: the pattern of Look, we send these you know, mostly
Speaker 2: men overseas and have been commit these horrific acts that
Speaker 2: haunt them. They come back home, they have very little
Speaker 2: like support in terms of reintegration into society, and then
Speaker 2: downstream from that you have, you know, horrific acts like this.
Speaker 2: This is not too like I'm not trying to like
Speaker 2: smear merchant veterans whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Quite the customary their fault they're reporting a disastrous situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying that we should be. We should pay
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 2: More attention than First of all, we shouldn't get into
Speaker 2: these foreign re wars and an outside of these individual
Speaker 2: violent incidents, there is a long term societal correlation of
Speaker 2: after you have a war, when people come back, there's
Speaker 2: a spike in violence, there's a spike in crime. Not
Speaker 2: to mention that, then you you know you have in
Speaker 2: our culture, it's a mass gun culture. One of the
Speaker 2: things that are in common with all of the mass
Speaker 2: shootings we've been talking about lately is all of these
Speaker 2: men were very proficient with firearms and been around them,
Speaker 2: you know, highly trained on them, et cetera. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's one of the dynamics here as well. But you
Speaker 2: know what's interesting is there's been very little journalistic interest
Speaker 2: in the question of what the blowback has been from
Speaker 2: what we did to these individuals when we sent them
Speaker 2: overseas to for you know, the Iraq and Afghanistan war
Speaker 2: in particular, I had to go back to There was
Speaker 2: a two thousand and eight New York Times investigation and
Speaker 2: they identified one hundred and twenty one homicides that were
Speaker 2: linked to Iraq and Afghanistan veterans from two thousand and
Speaker 2: one to two thousand and eight, and they found that
Speaker 2: was an eighty nine percent increase in such cases during
Speaker 2: wartime compared to before we went to war in a rock,
Speaker 2: so they were able to establish somewhat of a at
Speaker 2: least correlation and an uptick. And you know, you had
Speaker 2: similar instances after the Vietnam War as well that were
Speaker 2: you know, tracked closely too. So you have mass you know,
Speaker 2: mental illness exacerbated in the veterans population because of what
Speaker 2: they've seen and what they've done and what they've been
Speaker 2: through and the total lack of support and complete neglect.
Speaker 2: And this is also not to let off the hook
Speaker 2: these killers, by the way, or just analyzing here the
Speaker 2: societal trends, and you know, we end up with this
Speaker 2: explosion of violence and looking around and going why does
Speaker 2: this only happen with us? I don't think it should
Speaker 2: be a mystery when you consider the combination of a
Speaker 2: combustible gun culture, rampant untreated mental illness, and a society
Speaker 2: that's kind of coming apart at the same of.
Speaker 3: Course, I don't think you can deny any of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the gun culture thing is one
Speaker 3: of those where people really latch onto and I get it.
Speaker 3: But you know, if you look at it practically, like
Speaker 3: we've talked about the Charlie Kirk shooting at nauseum is
Speaker 3: a bolt action rifle. It's never getting banned under quote
Speaker 3: unquote It's it's not going to be banned under even
Speaker 3: the most extreme liberal gun control at all.
Speaker 2: I am fairly hopeless about any sort of gun control
Speaker 2: measure that would really deal with the problem for exactly
Speaker 2: the reasons you're stating. But in analyzing all of these
Speaker 2: things and why we have these mass shootings in other countries,
Speaker 2: don't you have to name it as a fashion because
Speaker 2: I mean, part of why, yeah, and part of why
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson is able to allegedly take that shot is
Speaker 2: because he's he's raised in that culture. He's very comfortable
Speaker 2: with weapons, he knows what he's doing, he's a proficient marksman,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Yeah, So that's I'm just pointing to those
Speaker 2: fact think, obviously these are military trains.
Speaker 3: No one's going to deny that having four hundred million
Speaker 3: guns in the country does not make it unique. I
Speaker 3: think it's just frankly a constant. It's not going to change.
Speaker 3: And I mean, we've had a lot of debates here.
Speaker 3: I don't really think it should change. But and you know,
Speaker 3: if to echo what Charlie Kirk once said, when you
Speaker 3: have a nation with the Second Amendment, you do accept
Speaker 3: a certain level of violence that is not going to
Speaker 3: be seen in other societies.
Speaker 1: That is a simple constant.
Speaker 3: Now, of course, you know, everyone always liked to post
Speaker 3: that as some sort of own It's like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: if you have other countries they don't have like even
Speaker 3: close they have, you're worried about authoritarianism and fascism and
Speaker 3: all that. In America, It's like, well, look at a
Speaker 3: lot of other countries which are Western but with no guns.
Speaker 1: It's very very different in terms.
Speaker 3: Of their culture and the level of subservience that those
Speaker 3: people put up with from the government.
Speaker 1: So that's part of what the check is supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Now, all kinds of debates about AR fifteen's and you know, magazines,
Speaker 3: et cetera, most of which are think it's silly and
Speaker 3: broadly doesn't work. But dealing with what we were dealing
Speaker 3: with where we are right now, the veteran piece, the
Speaker 3: mental illness piece. But also look, I mean I was
Speaker 3: not able to join for that Ice shooting, but I'm
Speaker 3: thank you for bringing up on my behalf. Drug use
Speaker 3: and weed use was a big part of it, and
Speaker 3: everybody just wants to move past it and listen, it's one,
Speaker 3: it's not all of it. But oh, it just turns
Speaker 3: out that the ice shooters quote obsessed with weed. I've
Speaker 3: been trying to tell people that the reflections of what
Speaker 3: we see from legalized marijuana, from just this culture of degeneracy.
Speaker 3: Turn on football. You know, I've been watching football this
Speaker 3: season because I can't leave my house from the bait.
Speaker 3: Everything is just Rby's gambling and booze. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: do we do anything else in this country other than
Speaker 3: get fat as shit and watch TV and drink alcohol.
Speaker 3: Apparently that's not what anyone and the few spare bucks
Speaker 3: they should probably save you're going to put on your
Speaker 3: shitty parlay, which are one hundred percent going to lose.
Speaker 3: It's like an opiate of the masses, quite literally, and
Speaker 3: that leads to a lot of downstream hopelessness.
Speaker 1: I talked about this with gambling.
Speaker 3: If you look at the data legalized gambling and in particular,
Speaker 3: when a home team loses, the data tells us that
Speaker 3: domestic violence goes up. That's what we're dealing with here,
Speaker 3: and it out put the actual like money and stakes
Speaker 3: and all that. Part of the population in a three
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty million people, one percent is a
Speaker 3: lot of people. That's millions of people. They're gonna go crazy.
Speaker 3: That's part of the issue. And everyone's like, well, just
Speaker 3: because one percent is going to do it badly, It's
Speaker 3: like no, but sometimes the one percent is so bad
Speaker 3: that we actually should consider what the you know, societal
Speaker 3: norms and all this this discussion around it. Like with alcohol,
Speaker 3: most people can drink responsibly. One out of seven people
Speaker 3: canot drink responsibly. It causes all kinds of crazy downstream effects.
Speaker 3: Are we willing to accept hundreds of thousands of duys
Speaker 3: and debts and drunk driving et me? Not really.
Speaker 1: I think we should do a lot more.
Speaker 3: To actually reduce alcohol consumption or the health effects obesity.
Speaker 2: Well, we'd have done more than anything to reduce alcohol consumption.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, oh fantastic, it's so great, But now we
Speaker 3: just have what violence skits those who are shooting iced detainees,
Speaker 3: what a great trade that we all both should go down.
Speaker 2: So that's not going There are parts of what you're
Speaker 2: saying that I agree with, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I view it from you know, from a leftist lens
Speaker 2: of First of all, addiction is very profitable, right, That's
Speaker 2: why the food and the algorithms and the gamble, like
Speaker 2: everything is set up to addict you and keep you
Speaker 2: locked into whatever that thing is. So that's number one.
Speaker 2: And you know, I see a lot of these things
Speaker 2: as being downstream from the policy and societal choices. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, like the ice shooter, I
Speaker 2: don't know that his weed use was related. It could
Speaker 2: also be that's attempt at self medication is often the case.
Speaker 1: That's not self medication.
Speaker 3: Then if you're taking something that literally makes a certain
Speaker 3: percent of his users go violent skitzo, then it's not medication.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not saying it's like effective self but that's
Speaker 2: that is what a lot of people who you know
Speaker 2: struggle with, like weed addiction. They feel it is self medicating.
Speaker 2: They're trying to check out of a life that feels
Speaker 2: horrific to them. And so in any case, to say
Speaker 2: like the weed is the cause of the violence. Well,
Speaker 2: the weed could be a correlation because you have someone
Speaker 2: who's struggling with mental illness and isn't getting treated and
Speaker 2: they're treating themselves. And that's what I'm trying to point out.
Speaker 2: In any case, with these two dudes, we don't have
Speaker 2: any sort of wead connection that we're.
Speaker 4: Aware obviously, so I think it's going to come out.
Speaker 2: But you know, if you like, there's a big temptation
Speaker 2: to sort of draw a circle around all these things
Speaker 2: and try.
Speaker 4: To see because we've had this.
Speaker 2: Rash of them, and try to tell a story about it,
Speaker 2: you know, some very natural human impulse. And it could
Speaker 2: be that there is no real story to tell about
Speaker 2: all of these disparate shootings and murders. But if I
Speaker 2: had to try to tell a story, you know, they
Speaker 2: all seem to spring out of sort of the the
Speaker 2: societal ills that we're struggling with, right, disaffected young men,
Speaker 2: political extremism, the blowback from our endless you know, wars,
Speaker 2: and what we subjected you know, these young men and
Speaker 2: women to when we sent them overseas to fight and
Speaker 2: die in these like base in moral, pointless wars that
Speaker 2: only made things worse. All of those sort of chickens
Speaker 2: are coming home to roost is what it feels like
Speaker 2: right now. And you know, to add one that'll you know,
Speaker 2: serve some of your your points. There was also put
Speaker 2: B six up on the screen. There was also a
Speaker 2: shooting at this casino in Texas.
Speaker 4: This one.
Speaker 2: We really have no idea what the this is Korean
Speaker 2: Jones thirty four, what the motivation was, what's.
Speaker 4: Going on here?
Speaker 2: I don't have any more information for you, but you know,
Speaker 2: you could imagine what might have been going on. Why
Speaker 2: someone would be angry at a casino. You know, that's
Speaker 2: certainly a possibility. And then did we put B five
Speaker 2: B up just so people could see the picture of
Speaker 2: the Yeah, this is the guy that's accused of murdering
Speaker 2: the people at the North Carolina waterfront. Now his story
Speaker 2: in terms of his service, he was actually injured, I
Speaker 2: think shot four times in a friendly fire incident and
Speaker 2: suffered severe you know, like brain damage.
Speaker 4: Because of this.
Speaker 2: He was actually, as it says here, he once escored
Speaker 2: in this American Idol Star to the Country Music a
Speaker 2: Wards because he was you know, sort of like a
Speaker 2: minor cause to lab because of the injuries that he
Speaker 2: had suffered, et cetera. And then after that you can
Speaker 2: just imagine like a sort of downward spiral and how
Speaker 2: you I mean, I can't really imagine how you end
Speaker 2: up in this situation where you're murdering people, but you
Speaker 2: can certainly imagine a downward spiral for this. No one
Speaker 2: who is already was suffering with this brain injury.
Speaker 1: We're not absolving any of these people.
Speaker 3: We're showing like we're trying to look at the on
Speaker 3: the gambling point.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Vegas.
Speaker 3: Anybody who lives in Vegas will back me up on
Speaker 3: this because I've spoken with people and I was telling
Speaker 3: you guys about it. The amount of suicides and Vegas
Speaker 3: parking lots and hotel rooms is shocking. The LVPD and
Speaker 3: others mostly try to cover it up because they don't
Speaker 3: want to affect tourism. But the amount of violence, as
Speaker 3: I just talked about, domestic violence when people miss their
Speaker 3: parlays and they end up beating their wives, lots of
Speaker 3: alcohol use also used to alcohol and weed use combined
Speaker 3: and shocking people start to commit crazy crime.
Speaker 1: Same thing.
Speaker 3: You know, there's just something about people who get driven
Speaker 3: to the brink. I've seen it, have you ever been
Speaker 3: to a casino and you see somebody who is gambling
Speaker 3: out of literal like within with something a look on
Speaker 3: their face of like absolute sheer desperation.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you got to get out of here.
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: But you know, instead, what does the casino do. That's
Speaker 3: the most profitable customer, right, Not the guy who's just
Speaker 3: sitting there betting the past line having some fun. This
Speaker 3: guy who's just hoping for the big one and then
Speaker 3: ends up losing their entire paycheck. Okay, we don't know
Speaker 3: all of the circumstance, but yes, violence in casino. These
Speaker 3: people have security and all that for a reason, because
Speaker 3: people are crazy. And that's just my final psa here
Speaker 3: on gambling, because I was just looking. Fifty two percent
Speaker 3: of betters in the US, which is some hundred million
Speaker 3: people have now gambled more than fifty dollars per month
Speaker 3: in this NFL season. That is quite literally statistically, if
Speaker 3: you're watching this in your medium household income, that's your margin,
Speaker 3: all right, which is crazy in a country like today,
Speaker 3: but six hundred dollars per year of your after tax.
Speaker 1: Income is quite literally your safety margin.
Speaker 3: So do you really want to be blowing that to
Speaker 3: a company which you know Dave Ramsey I recently saw
Speaker 3: him say this. He goes, these people are buying the
Speaker 3: most expensive advertising literally in the history of the world.
Speaker 3: You think they're doing that with charity dollars. It's your money,
Speaker 3: all right, And so in the meantime, people just get addicted,
Speaker 3: you know, to the thrill. It has the highest rate
Speaker 3: of suicidal ideation of any addiction, more so than heroin addicts,
Speaker 3: more so than everyone else. It's the easiest one to
Speaker 3: cover up, right, everybody's It's like the keeping Up with
Speaker 3: the Joneses thing. You have no idea how financed the
Speaker 3: cars are in the driveway, and then there's a silent
Speaker 3: life of desperation in the back and then people just break.
Speaker 1: So stay away from it.
Speaker 3: That's all I can tell you, especially if you have kids,
Speaker 3: please please keep them away.
Speaker 1: It's bad.
Speaker 3: It's permeating everything in our culture. All right, Let's get
Speaker 3: to TikTok, shall we. Prime Minister bb nets on Yahoo
Speaker 3: is here in Washington for this week. He will be
Speaker 3: having an unprecedented fourth visit to the White House.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to him.
Speaker 3: But while in the United States for the United Nations
Speaker 3: General Assembly, meeting. After having a mass walkout while his speech,
Speaker 3: he took some time out of his busy day to
Speaker 3: meet with US content creators, specifically to brief them about
Speaker 3: the propaganda war over Israel. He was asked specifically, how
Speaker 3: should Americans or how should American pro Israel forces fight
Speaker 3: back against the rising tide of what they call anti Semitism,
Speaker 3: And here he now speaks about how one of the
Speaker 3: most important things is the new purchase of TikTok.
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 10: Well, we have to fight with the weapons that apply
Speaker 10: to the battlefields in which one gains, and the most
Speaker 10: important ones are on social media. And the most important
Speaker 10: purchase that is going on right now is Toller Tom
Speaker 10: number one, number one, and I hope it goes through
Speaker 10: because it can be consequential. And the other one, what's
Speaker 10: the other one that's most important?
Speaker 1: X X very good?
Speaker 10: And you know, so we have to talk to the Luck.
Speaker 10: He's not an enemy, he's a friend. We should talk
Speaker 10: to him now. If we can get those two things,
Speaker 10: we get Luck and I could go on on other things,
Speaker 10: but that's not the point right now. We have to
Speaker 10: fight the fight, Okay. To take give direction to the
Speaker 10: Jewish people and give director to our non Jewish friends
Speaker 10: or those who could be a Jewish of friends.
Speaker 3: The most important purchase is going right now is TikTok.
Speaker 3: I hope it goes through because it's going to be consequential.
Speaker 3: So Chris sol I once again asked, will you join
Speaker 3: me in calling for the band of TikTok? This it
Speaker 3: was important even for you know, on the whole China
Speaker 3: data thing. But one of the things that people underestimated
Speaker 3: is that what Trump saw with his victory after twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four was all the kids here, But it's the
Speaker 3: power of the algorithm and what obviously the worry about
Speaker 3: that was with China. But now because it's Trump, he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: we'll preserve TikTok, but we'll make sure that a bunch
Speaker 3: of pro Israel forces are involved in the purchase. And
Speaker 3: it's undeniable that TikTok is very good at shaping culture,
Speaker 3: which is why the Chinese ban TikTok in their own country,
Speaker 3: just to be very clear for people who don't understand that.
Speaker 3: And now what they're looking at it is they've already
Speaker 3: installed this censorship head over there. They get to keep
Speaker 3: their business everybody's everyone is going to keep scrolling. Don't
Speaker 3: deny yourself.
Speaker 1: It's like we just talked.
Speaker 3: About weed addiction and gambling addiction and all that. It's
Speaker 3: exactly the same thing downstream of the hours a day
Speaker 3: that people are burning on TikTok and scrolling. Well, now
Speaker 3: it's going to have the same propagandistic efforts kind of
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. It's now probably the most overtly politically
Speaker 3: controlled social media platform alongside Twitter. Now i'd say, I'd
Speaker 3: say a.
Speaker 1: Lot of time.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, the only reason why I think
Speaker 3: it's more consequential is Twitter is for elites, so it's
Speaker 3: very important at shaping you know, elite culture and conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a couple hundred million people use Twitter globally, Like in
Speaker 3: the United States, it's a couple hundred million people on TikTok,
Speaker 3: Like actual people who have no Twitter account, don't even
Speaker 3: know what's going on over there and not involved in
Speaker 3: the wars over whatever, you know, some sort of political
Speaker 3: going on, they're scrolling. That's where a lot of their
Speaker 3: information is coming from. So, by far, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: the most consequential at a small de democratic perspective for
Speaker 3: shaping whatever the future conversation.
Speaker 4: Yes, so now instead of my China's could ben by Israel?
Speaker 2: Okay, well great could abandon great stuff abandon definitely worse.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I guess I don't see it
Speaker 2: as any worse than than X or other social media.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's all poison. Like that's where
Speaker 2: I am. I don't know what the answer is, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know that complete ban is the answer, but
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like at a loss as to what
Speaker 2: to do about all of these things that are set
Speaker 2: on colonizing our mind, right, colonizing our attention.
Speaker 4: That's what they're like.
Speaker 2: That's the commodity that they trade in and with dystopian outcomes, frankly,
Speaker 2: but the ones which we can't resist. You know, we
Speaker 2: were talking about the gambling addiction, like the scroll both
Speaker 2: of TikTok and you know YouTube shorts and Twitter, it's
Speaker 2: all modeled off of slot machines, like to keep you
Speaker 2: endlessly scrolling. That's the whole idea, is the endless scroll.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it's it's brain poison. And I
Speaker 2: just the one thing I will say, like, I think
Speaker 2: if Beabie really thinks that this is going to you know,
Speaker 2: help him win the propaganda war. Like the propaganda war
Speaker 2: for Israel's already lost. That battle is over, it's done.
Speaker 2: Now they have to operate in the realm of just
Speaker 2: like pure power politics, like cracking down on anyone who
Speaker 2: just sends, you know, using their their main ally and
Speaker 2: most important now only ally that matters the United States
Speaker 2: of America to do their bidding in terms of cracking
Speaker 2: down on our own population, backing them in their endless wars.
Speaker 4: Like that's where they're at.
Speaker 2: They've already lost the sort of soft power competition in
Speaker 2: terms of global opinion. I don't think that their ownership
Speaker 2: of TikTok is necessarily going.
Speaker 4: To change that.
Speaker 2: In fact, if anything, it's going to further piss people
Speaker 2: off and enrage them that they feel that heavy hand
Speaker 2: of censorship now coming down from their favorite class I
Speaker 2: would hope.
Speaker 3: So, I'm not yet quite sure about our current population,
Speaker 3: and in particular with some of the calls right now
Speaker 3: for open censorship. Here we have Israeli politician Yayrgalan openly
Speaker 3: says the next step is strict controls on social media,
Speaker 3: in particular going after Twitter and saying that they need
Speaker 3: to ban what he considers to be anti Semitic voices.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8: The next thing I will do.
Speaker 3: We will do.
Speaker 8: Is to put restriction on the social media in a
Speaker 8: way that not allowed to make brutal propaganda in the
Speaker 8: social media. Because this is a worldwide problem and it
Speaker 8: should be initiate by the United States of America, the
Speaker 8: place where all the big firms is settled. Facebook and
Speaker 8: X and all the rest. This is a major problem
Speaker 8: for democracy all over the globe, and we need to
Speaker 8: treat it seriously.
Speaker 3: We need to take it seriously. Facebook to X, they
Speaker 3: all need to be banned. I mean, does anybody else
Speaker 3: just think it's so crazy that Bebee comes to America
Speaker 3: and assembles a group of social media influencers, including his
Speaker 3: own son.
Speaker 1: Is that the only interaction that he has with his
Speaker 1: own son?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you're what so your son, who, by the way,
Speaker 3: lives here in America? Why for what reason? What's his
Speaker 3: visa status? Anybody want to call ice over that one?
Speaker 3: You know, how exactly? Who doesn't he draft agailable shouldn't
Speaker 3: be fighting in Gaza if it's so patriotic and amazing
Speaker 3: and he's sitting over here on our soil, presumably on
Speaker 3: a you know, some sort of friendly visa, being guarded
Speaker 3: by the literal Israeli shinbat as he lives in a
Speaker 3: penthouse apartment in Miami and firing off tweets from his
Speaker 3: sunny little balcony about how they need more censorship of
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson and Cannas Owens and it's just so naked,
Speaker 3: it's so unbelievable. And I hope, I hope that you're
Speaker 3: correct that the propaganda war and all of that is lost.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I still like, even with all of the sentiment moving, Yeah,
Speaker 3: at a basic level, the politics have not changed. Like
Speaker 3: at the power level the Trump administration, they could care
Speaker 3: less about the rising tide of Look, even amongst Republican
Speaker 3: younger voters, it's like the sentiment is lost. They just
Speaker 3: don't care. They're like, look, this is what we are
Speaker 3: going to do. The average Republican politician still doesn't care.
Speaker 3: The average Democrat politician will pay a little bit of
Speaker 3: lip service. But at a you know, power level, they're
Speaker 3: not doing anything about it. Slock in here on our show.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll vote for it, Maybe I won't goes on
Speaker 3: Stephen Colbert then says she would have voted against it
Speaker 3: if she was there, but we'll never know because she
Speaker 3: wasn't there. Because she was It's like, what's going on here? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like does this Does any of this
Speaker 3: even matter?
Speaker 2: No, the hard power, like they still have a lock
Speaker 2: on a lot of certainly the Trump administration, no doubt
Speaker 2: about that, and most Democrats. But you know, let's to
Speaker 2: the point of whether or not they're winning the propaganda war.
Speaker 2: Should we take a listen to a little bit of
Speaker 2: the propaganda and you can tell me if you find it,
Speaker 2: tell me if you find this persuasive or not. This
Speaker 2: is the three This is some of the influencers who
Speaker 2: were gathered at this meeting to get a sense of
Speaker 2: some of the content they're putting out to the TikTok world.
Speaker 11: We were asking him the hard questions that a lot
Speaker 11: of people from our generation have been raising concerns about,
Speaker 11: for example, and the same way he listened to us
Speaker 11: and took in our criticisms. I'm truly hoping that you
Speaker 11: guys will listen to the answer. Apak Apak is something
Speaker 11: that I see.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 11: Number One, Apak is not an Israeli organization. It has
Speaker 11: no ties whatsoever to the government of Israel foreign lobbying.
Speaker 11: It's a lobbyist group that happens to be lobbying for
Speaker 11: a certain group of people, right, and this is not
Speaker 11: unique to Israel. There are multiple countries that do this,
Speaker 11: and there's multiple different groups that do this. For some reason,
Speaker 11: people just attach ont APAC, despite the fact that APAC
Speaker 11: makes up less than five percent of the lobbying. So
Speaker 11: if you have a problem with lobbying, like me, that's
Speaker 11: totally fine. I'm against APAC because I'm against lobbying. But
Speaker 11: you can't just hone in on one specific group. If
Speaker 11: you're going to be against it, then be against it
Speaker 11: for everybody. Moving on from that, we were asking questions
Speaker 11: about these rumors that Israel has been going out and
Speaker 11: funding people, and no, none of us were paid for
Speaker 11: that meeting. But I wish Phobe if you want to
Speaker 11: write one hundred and fifty million check, go for it.
Speaker 11: But we asked, We asked about funding, and as he explained,
Speaker 11: Israel is not offering to fund anybody. They're not trying
Speaker 11: to get involved in American political advocacy groups. That has
Speaker 11: never happened. And if you're concerned about this. Who you
Speaker 11: should be concerned about is Katark. The last thing that
Speaker 11: we really touched on was the aid. People don't know this,
Speaker 11: but Nanyah, Who's first address to Congress was to.
Speaker 4: Say that they didn't want aid.
Speaker 11: Jimmy Carter, who was a notoriously anti Israel president, is
Speaker 11: actually who started this because he saw that Israel was
Speaker 11: building up their air force and he didn't want them to.
Speaker 11: So he gave them eight that they could only use
Speaker 11: to buy military weapons from US, and they had to
Speaker 11: agree to shut down their manufacturers. So now they're dependent
Speaker 11: in a way on this aid for military operations that
Speaker 11: America doesn't want them to lose because we use it
Speaker 11: as a leash on them, so that.
Speaker 1: At our points.
Speaker 4: I just pulled this up on TikTok. Here are the
Speaker 4: top comments.
Speaker 2: Number one on the payroll confirmed, Number two that APAC
Speaker 2: paycheck must be insane. Number three did she just say
Speaker 2: that APAX not an Israeli lobbying group with four question marks?
Speaker 2: As a conservative? That man is a war criminal? How
Speaker 2: much are they paying you? As soon as she said
Speaker 2: APAC was an Israeli lobby I scrolled out confirmed, unfollowed,
Speaker 2: We're not buying it, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, look, look I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just I feel very dark about how this is
Speaker 3: all playing out right now. And the reason why is
Speaker 3: that as as disturbing and preposterous as all these influencers
Speaker 3: and all that are, they have currency.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're meeting with the Prime Minister.
Speaker 4: Oh do you need to make me think of those Sager?
Speaker 2: It makes me think of you know, we cover the
Speaker 2: chorus dark money scandal with the Democrats where they're paying
Speaker 2: this like you know, one of the influencers, does some
Speaker 2: American girl dull like pro DNC memes. You listen to
Speaker 2: most of these people content and you're like, okay, good luck,
Speaker 2: or the DNC started their own podcast.
Speaker 4: Ken Clippenstein loves posting the.
Speaker 2: Views on it, like just because you put money behind
Speaker 2: a thing, doesn't mean anyone is going to buy what
Speaker 2: you're selling, doesn't mean anyone's gonna be like and like
Speaker 2: I said, if anything people watching that or just like
Speaker 2: screw you. Basically it had the opposite of the intended effect.
Speaker 2: We've got one more we can show you too, which
Speaker 2: is if anything, you I mean this, this.
Speaker 1: Is the best one.
Speaker 4: This is wild. This is c four. Take a listen.
Speaker 12: Imagine supporting people who start wars just to lose the wars.
Speaker 4: So they can cry about it and then try.
Speaker 3: It all again.
Speaker 13: You must see anti Semites are literally obsessed with Jews.
Speaker 13: Now walk with me while you must see. Anti Semites
Speaker 13: are stacking eviction notices. Jews are out here stacking up businesses.
Speaker 4: Jews control all the industries. Maybe if you spend more
Speaker 4: time taking.
Speaker 12: Notes from successful people, you wouldn't have to spend your
Speaker 12: nights and weekends spreading hate from your anonymous account with
Speaker 12: an anime profile picture.
Speaker 1: Do you work as hard as Jews?
Speaker 13: Do you network like Jews? No, because you're too busy
Speaker 13: cheering on a group of musty terrorists who smell like
Speaker 13: dirty ear ring backs. And if we're gonna keep it, really,
Speaker 13: you're really mad because your income is giving side hustle period. Hi,
Speaker 13: you gonna hate from outside shapot you can't even get in.
Speaker 1: Wow, So they have their own sassy gay black guy.
Speaker 4: Congratulations, Well and I love this.
Speaker 3: Who is that influencing? I don't know it's being paid.
Speaker 3: I mean, look it's perverse and it's sick, but like
Speaker 3: pretty clearly they're finding.
Speaker 1: Is that reaching an audience.
Speaker 3: Probably not, but they're obviously look they're doing it for something,
Speaker 3: like they're making some money of perpetuating this stuff. I
Speaker 3: believe that some of these people were present at the
Speaker 3: Bill Ackman summit them right, And that's my point is
Speaker 3: like it's it still does come with access to power.
Speaker 3: That's what makes me feel dark really about the entire thing.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, people's salaries are getting paid.
Speaker 3: Do I think that influences anybody. No, I certainly don't.
Speaker 3: I think it's pathetic and ridiculous. But they're getting meetings
Speaker 3: with the Israeli Prime Minister. One of the things is
Speaker 3: when you look at Israel is that at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, believe in hard power. So for them
Speaker 3: this influencer briefing, everybody can laugh it off. I don't
Speaker 3: laugh it off because clearly they still think it's important
Speaker 3: and maybe it's a signal to the future TikTok people
Speaker 3: that these people need to be boosted in the algorithm
Speaker 3: or something. And you and I know, like there is
Speaker 3: enough kind of mindless scrolling and lack of information, lack
Speaker 3: of just attention or whatever that to casually just stumble
Speaker 3: across and get quote the truth. Clearly, the Israelis believe
Speaker 3: this is like an extential, extent and very important mission
Speaker 3: for them, Yeah, to try and will it work. No,
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think so, but I don't know. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't put it past them. I trust their judgment in
Speaker 3: respect of controlling the conversations.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad to not because I just think
Speaker 2: that they have so cocooned them.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 2: I'm not equating the two, but it does remind me
Speaker 2: a lot of the DNC, Like they're so high on
Speaker 2: their own supply, they're so cocooned in their own bubble
Speaker 2: and so insulated from their critics because they just immediately
Speaker 2: write anyone off who has anything negative to say as
Speaker 2: an anti semi and they don't let it penetrate. And
Speaker 2: so I think they are completely disconnected from the way
Speaker 2: that they have just become reviled around the world, around
Speaker 2: the world, and reviled in the US in a way
Speaker 2: that has never been the case. And so you know,
Speaker 2: I mean that like that thing was a mess, that
Speaker 2: was a disaster. Yeah, I don't think there's one person
Speaker 2: who looked at that and was like, oh, you're right
Speaker 2: not to mention it was anti semitic. Even as they're
Speaker 2: trying to like stand up against anti Semitism, and they're
Speaker 2: like the Jews control all the industry and are really
Speaker 2: good with money. It's like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: So in any case, I mean, there's always going to
Speaker 2: be shameless hacks who stuck up to power no matter what.
Speaker 4: That's what these people are.
Speaker 2: They know that they can get into these meetings if
Speaker 2: they toe the line. They you know, may genuinely have
Speaker 2: some like ideological belief about it or whatever. But more importantly,
Speaker 2: there's always going to be sick of fans who circle power.
Speaker 2: And that's what's going on here. It is very dystopian,
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. The consolidation of media power in
Speaker 2: Trump aligned hands and in pro Zionist hands, that is
Speaker 2: very disconcerting. And the amount of you know, sway that
Speaker 2: they can use these social media platforms. They're out there
Speaker 2: saying like, look, we're going to tell Elon what to do,
Speaker 2: and he's probably going to do it because he's our buddy.
Speaker 2: Is also really wild and dystopian. So I don't want
Speaker 2: to downplay it. I just want to say that I
Speaker 2: think that their haspara efforts have been laughably pathetic. No
Speaker 2: one is buying their bullshit anymore. Very few people are
Speaker 2: buying their bullshit anymore.
Speaker 4: I should say.
Speaker 2: And we all have access to reality now, like you're
Speaker 2: not going to be able to stop the flow of
Speaker 2: the videos of the horror coming out of Gaza. And
Speaker 2: by the way, your own soldiers post their own war crimes,
Speaker 2: so we can see it directly from them as well.
Speaker 2: We can listen to the statements that you make about
Speaker 2: how you're trying to manipulate all of us and buy
Speaker 2: up the media platform so that there's no descent. We
Speaker 2: can listen to them saying in hebro you know, we
Speaker 2: can hit the translate button and hear them talking about
Speaker 2: how there's no innocence and how they want to displace
Speaker 2: everyone and exactly what the plan is. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I think it will be very hard for them in
Speaker 2: this environment to just hide reality and hide the truth
Speaker 2: and to turn back the clock and then persuade people, Oh,
Speaker 2: you know what, I was wrong, It's not a genocide,
Speaker 2: like actually, this is the most moral army on the
Speaker 2: plant or whatever.
Speaker 4: Nonsense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I hope you're right. Let's go to C five.
Speaker 3: Please up here on the screen, which shows the list
Speaker 3: of the influencers that always like I said.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, first of the list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an influencer. He's a Nepo baby living on
Speaker 3: our contract to poor disaster. Please send him, send them
Speaker 3: to Gaza, all right. You know, one of the hallmarks
Speaker 3: of a society, like one of the things that it's
Speaker 3: easy to romanticize it, as horrible as it was. But
Speaker 3: in the First World War, something I've always respected about
Speaker 3: the British and the Germans and all their societies is
Speaker 3: that when the leaders went to war, they actually sent
Speaker 3: their own sons because they believed in it. Like you
Speaker 3: had the Prime Minister of the UK whose son was
Speaker 3: literally killed in combat. You had you know, crown princes
Speaker 3: and others in the field of battle. The average life
Speaker 3: expectancy for a British soldier almost entirely taken from the
Speaker 3: upper cross like the lords and others who supported the
Speaker 3: war was like I don't even remember exactly the timeline,
Speaker 3: but it was very very short. But my point is
Speaker 3: just that nowadays, you know, it's the norm of the
Speaker 3: chickenhawk meme, where you have the congressman and everybody else.
Speaker 1: This kind of relates to our shootings.
Speaker 3: Block who support the war, their kids get to go
Speaker 3: to college, get exempt.
Speaker 1: We don't even have a draft anymore.
Speaker 3: But it's like very few of them ever sign up
Speaker 3: for military service. And then it's like the working classmen
Speaker 3: and women of the country who actually have to go
Speaker 3: abroad and face the consequences.
Speaker 1: That's like the post World War two status quo.
Speaker 3: So there is something very sick about that, and clearly
Speaker 3: that's also present in Israeli society as well. And by
Speaker 3: the way, to that point, Paramount has now released a
Speaker 3: new trailer for something called Red Alert, a four part
Speaker 3: mini series depicting the real life stories of the victims
Speaker 3: of October seventh massacre in Israel. Why does that matter
Speaker 3: because Paramount was bought by whom, David Ellison, the guy
Speaker 3: who wants to hire Barry Weiss over at CBS News.
Speaker 3: Paramount's Guide Dance now owned entirely by by David Ellison,
Speaker 3: who also just made an all cash bid for Warner
Speaker 3: Brothers Discovery including HBO Max. So you're going to have
Speaker 3: two Hollywood studios that are all under control.
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows what's going to get released nationwide.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's where again the ability to shape culture
Speaker 3: is that from TikTok to the literal movie studios.
Speaker 1: It's going to be.
Speaker 3: Very very interesting to see what the divide on that
Speaker 3: and whether it can hold who actually controls everything. I
Speaker 3: tend to believe a lot of it, A lot of
Speaker 3: it is a lot more top down than people think
Speaker 3: to be able to push this stuff, you know, out
Speaker 3: into the ether. But potential, potentially the Internet will still
Speaker 3: be more powerful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just would say like they are
Speaker 2: becoming more overt and more heavy handed, but like the
Speaker 2: Western media has been aggressively pro Israel forever and certainly,
Speaker 2: you know the way they framed October seventh, post October
Speaker 2: seventh are involvement, et cetera. So it's not like they
Speaker 2: haven't been trying on the propaganda front. And still like
Speaker 2: you have this massive revolt against what they're doing. Democratic
Speaker 2: Party is lost, Independence are lost, Republicans are divided. Young
Speaker 2: Republicans are increasingly lost. So I think it's probably too
Speaker 2: late to put those pieces back together, but they are
Speaker 2: certainly going to try.
Speaker 1: They're trying. We'll see, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it'll be a boon for independent film
Speaker 3: or something, but then how do you get it distributed? See,
Speaker 3: that's that's the issue with Hollywood. It's so bottlenecked and
Speaker 3: so controlled. That's probably the thing I worry about the most.
Speaker 3: And also, just don't screw up HBO, please please please.
Speaker 3: It's like, let us just have our tasks, all right.
Speaker 1: Great show. Shout out to that