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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do government shutdown possibility.

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Speaker 2: This week we will break down the details of what

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Speaker 2: exactly this fight is over. Also, there was a rash

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Speaker 2: We've got Eric Adam officially dropping out of the New

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Speaker 3: let's go ahead and start with the government shutdown. As

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Speaker 3: Crystal said, tomorrow is the official deadline at midnight, and

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Speaker 3: it does look all roads currently lead to a shutdown,

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Speaker 3: although we will talk soon about whether the Democrats will

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: So just to be clear, there's not going to be

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Speaker 6: Look, I'm not going to get in front of the

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Speaker 6: It's fine to have parties and debates and squabbles, but

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Speaker 3: Day in and day out. He caved completely to Chuck

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Speaker 2: And the basic dynamic is you've got Republicans kind of

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Speaker 2: to mention, obviously it's very popular to continue the subsidies

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Speaker 3: No, it's smart. I would I'd give it to him

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Speaker 4: Pcarity money expensive thank you present drum for.

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Speaker 3: That one, especially when you have a child and your

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Speaker 1: I can't even put myself in that headspace.

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Speaker 3: But the point actually around this is I think they

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Speaker 1: It's like the Seinfeld thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like a shutdown about nothing, but it's a shutdown

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Speaker 7: putting together a completely partisan bill and saying take it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, did you see his answer when they asked

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Speaker 2: Leadership is still in this like sort of normal politics mode,

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Speaker 2: even if it's risky, we want to see you fight

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Speaker 2: Many of you are saying you want to do this anyway?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say the wine caves, wine cave.

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Speaker 2: Well the other thing, that's just a little note there

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Speaker 2: is So this is a d SCC.

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Speaker 4: So that's a.

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Speaker 2: Democratic Senatorial campaign committee, and they invited Hailey Stevens, who's

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Speaker 2: running in the Democratic primary for that Michigan Senate seat.

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Speaker 2: But she, you know, she's up against two other significant

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Speaker 2: contenders that would be abdulal Sayed and Mallory mcmarrow. This

441
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Speaker 2: is also the d SC putting their some on the

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Speaker 2: scale for miss Haley Stevens, who, by the way, has

443
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Speaker 2: received some five million dollars in Israel lobby funding.

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Speaker 3: So just so you know, yeah, that's I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Dems need to get their act together with the base,

446
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Speaker 3: like you guys need to fight and I know, look

447
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Speaker 3: it's coming from me, just you know whatever, But I

448
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,280
Speaker 3: don't see like at this point, the Tea Party Action

449
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 3: people were barnstorming the country in this point in the

450
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Speaker 3: Obama administration, they were everywhere. Yes, the cope is always

451
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Speaker 3: oh but that was all billionaire funded. Oh yeah, there's

452
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Speaker 3: no Democrats who found the billionaires Like, come on, like,

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Speaker 3: what are you guys doing? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the billionaires don't want this, why not like

455
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Speaker 2: what they don't want the Yeah, they don't want the

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Speaker 2: you know, pro the like pro Palestine that you know,

457
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Speaker 2: tax the rich. That's where the Enterry Party and that's

458
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Speaker 2: not where the billionaires are.

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Speaker 3: And get your shit together because at this point, like

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Speaker 3: you need to organize, you need to do something, because

461
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Speaker 3: you are not currently on track to deliver the type

462
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Speaker 3: of success that the Tea Party was able to because

463
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Speaker 3: that was about money plus grassroots. That's ultimately, and I

464
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Speaker 3: think the grassroots. Everyone always tries to say the Tea

465
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Speaker 3: Party was AstroTurf. Sorry it wasn't. It was like actual

466
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Speaker 3: mass outrage. Yes, there was a lot of money backing

467
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Speaker 3: in that helped, you know all that stuff. This is

468
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Speaker 3: the truth with all grassroots style movements. There's money in

469
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Speaker 3: all kinds of special interest groups. It's only when you

470
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Speaker 3: have an issue that actually resonates are you able to

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Speaker 3: do anything. So if the Democratic base does not going

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Speaker 3: to have their billionaires, then do something about it. Like

473
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Speaker 3: you need to form your political action committees, get out there,

474
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Speaker 3: create the litmus test for candidates, actually just hammer the

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Speaker 3: shit out of them. Create and find your slate of

476
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Speaker 3: issues and where you and then you have to hold

477
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Speaker 3: the line. You're like, if you do not support doctor issue,

478
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Speaker 3: we will not vote for you. Like if you do

479
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Speaker 3: not commit immediately to making sure that we're no longer

480
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Speaker 3: with Chuck Schumer, that we're going to defund Trump or whatever,

481
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Speaker 3: pick your issue, then you're not going to do anything.

482
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Speaker 3: Because in the absence these Hailey Stevens people can always

483
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Speaker 3: come around. This is what this is what the pro

484
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Speaker 3: Republican establishment politicians we do put fighting against Obama and

485
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Speaker 3: they're like, ooh yeah, but we need you to fight

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Speaker 3: against Obama on our terms. You don't just get to

487
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Speaker 3: say fighting Obama.

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Speaker 1: Same thing here.

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Speaker 3: You can't just say, oh, drump is bad. It's like,

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Speaker 3: is that it right? Because that's the easiest possible slate.

491
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Speaker 3: I don't think the dums have gotten their act together period.

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Speaker 3: Obviously not going to come from the national level, but

493
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Speaker 3: I don't even see it at the grassroots level, like

494
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Speaker 3: people need to show up. You know, there's some campaign

495
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Speaker 3: canaries in the coal mine. You've got Zoron and yeah,

496
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Speaker 3: he's an extraordinary politician, very just different circus circumstances, very

497
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Speaker 3: very liberal city and base. Like the what made the

498
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Speaker 3: Tea Party extraordinary was we're going into the blue dogs

499
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Speaker 3: and we're blowing them out. You know, we're going into

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Speaker 3: the primaries, We're primary we're making their life hell. Eric

501
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Speaker 3: Canter spent more on steak here at a steakhouse in

502
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Speaker 3: Washington than Dave Bratt spent on his entire campaign, Like

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Speaker 3: you got to fight back against that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on all of that, and I

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Speaker 2: do want to see more. But I will say also

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Speaker 2: with Dave Bratt, it's not like you would have said,

507
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Speaker 2: oh there's this organized like Dave brattmoth.

508
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Speaker 1: It came out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of things like that that

510
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Speaker 2: are happening. So just to name a few, obviously Zoron, obviously,

511
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Speaker 2: Graham Plattner we already named, checked Abdul said, who are

512
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Speaker 2: drawing really hard lines and saying we're not going to

513
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Speaker 2: vote for Chuck Schumer. We are you know, pro Palestine.

514
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Speaker 2: This is genocide, like going hard. You also have Corey

515
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Speaker 2: Busch has jumped back into the Royals, Yeah, against Wesley Bell,

516
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Speaker 2: who's one of the top like APAC recipients in Congress

517
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Speaker 2: and constantly shilling for them, just signed a letter against

518
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Speaker 2: recognizing a Palestinian state. You've got Shoycott Chakrabadi, who was

519
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Speaker 2: AOC's chief of staff, who's running against Nancy Pelosi. Actually

520
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Speaker 2: don't think Pelosi has officially announced, yes that she's running again,

521
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Speaker 2: but he just released some internal polling that showed him

522
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Speaker 2: actually firing pretty competitively with her, which is a that

523
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Speaker 2: is a shocking turn of events that anyone could even

524
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Speaker 2: be in the race. So and there are there are

525
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Speaker 2: more many that I don't even know their names. So

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Speaker 2: you do have these dynamics playing in primaries. You're right,

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Speaker 2: and I ran in that twenty twenty twenty ten cheap

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Speaker 2: party year, so I can tell you.

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Speaker 4: For sure the energy was real.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: There was funding you know from the Todd There's no

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Speaker 2: doubt about it. But there was also a genuine like

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Speaker 2: backlash to Obama that was being expressed at that time.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 4: You have also that.

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Speaker 2: Genuine Democratic based backlash, but somewhat more in CO eight

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Speaker 2: and less sort of like organized than it was now.

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Speaker 2: It's worth saying too, it is still pretty early, like

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Speaker 2: we're still you know, the formation of primary fields is

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Speaker 2: happening right now, and part of why Schumer feels like

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Speaker 2: he has to do this, which is not something he

543
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Speaker 2: wants to do again. He feels like he has to

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Speaker 2: because he feels the heat from his base. There's no

545
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Speaker 2: doubt that if he runs again and AOC runs against

546
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Speaker 2: him in a primary, like he's going to lose. And

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Speaker 2: he's aware of that polling. I'm sure he's aware of

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Speaker 2: the way that people perceive him and how they don't

549
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Speaker 2: see him, and because he hasn't as being any sort

550
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Speaker 2: of a fighter, and so even the fact that they're

551
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Speaker 2: picking this fight is an expression of how they are

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Speaker 2: fling pressured by their own base.

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Speaker 3: Very well said I just to people, don't if you're

554
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Speaker 3: too young and you don't remember the Tea Party.

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Speaker 1: Here's what happened.

556
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Speaker 3: Plus sixty three GOP seats plus six GOP seats in

557
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Speaker 3: the Senate, plus six GOP governors, the biggest midterm victory

558
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Speaker 3: for a party since nineteen thirty eight. You have that

559
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Speaker 3: same type of energy if you want it at the

560
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Speaker 3: wrong level, right, And I didn't even get into that

561
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Speaker 3: the state leg thousand state legislators, it.

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Speaker 2: Was massive, and which that the terms were redistricting, which

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Speaker 2: ended up being you know, it continues to be consequential.

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Speaker 3: Very well said. And that's my point is I don't

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Speaker 3: I just don't see that. Yeah, here, okay, I have

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Speaker 3: it here twenty state legislative chambers which flipped, which was

567
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Speaker 3: specifically important for the twenty ten census for redistricting. That's

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Speaker 3: what power actually looks like. I just don't see it yet.

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Speaker 3: It could be right, it could come. You can have

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Speaker 3: some organic but there's a big difference, let's say, between

571
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Speaker 3: a twenty five point swing and the sixty points swing.

572
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Speaker 3: Like to make it extraordinary and to just like punch

573
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Speaker 3: the administration like if you want it in the face.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know right now, there's not enough seriousness

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Speaker 3: of taking control. I think it largely has to do

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Speaker 3: with the establishment and the way that they think because fundamentally,

577
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Speaker 3: like to their money, bottom line issue set, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: It really is an existential threat. But you got to

579
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Speaker 3: keep in mind it was it was very similar for

580
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Speaker 3: the Republicans too, Like for a lot of these establishment Republicans,

581
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Speaker 3: the way that they did business back in two thousand

582
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Speaker 3: and nine was completely disrupted and destroyed. Like you can

583
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Speaker 3: only teach them by hitting them. There's no other way.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see. I don't know I personally again, I

585
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Speaker 3: think that thems are going to blink. I just think

586
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Speaker 3: that they're so married to like the federal government as

587
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Speaker 3: an idea that the mere prospect of mass firing, like

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Speaker 3: you're gonna put it against up.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna put it.

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Speaker 3: Past Trump to fire twenty five thirty forty fifty thousand

591
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Speaker 3: workers like he will, right, and they're going to freak

592
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Speaker 3: out about that. That's what a big part of the

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen shutdown, part of the reason the Trump cave.

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Speaker 1: But the big Democratic message was.

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Speaker 3: All of these federal government employees are not getting their

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Speaker 3: paychecks right.

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Speaker 1: It's devastating.

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Speaker 3: So that there's like a religious marriage between the bureaucrat

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Speaker 3: and the Democratic Party that I'm not sure at the

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Speaker 3: institutional level, I don't know if they're willing to stomach

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Speaker 3: you know, what it takes to actually go go through.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I think, like I said, I don't think Schumer wants

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Speaker 2: to do this fight. He's forced into it, and so

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Speaker 2: I think probably his plan is like, let me put

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Speaker 2: up some sort of show of resistance and then once,

607
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Speaker 2: you know, I get credit with the base for having

608
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Speaker 2: allowed to shut down to go through or stood up

609
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Speaker 2: to Trump or whatever, then I'm going to find some

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Speaker 2: way to walk back from this ledge.

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Speaker 4: That would be my guess of his plan.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think a seventy two hour cave is worse

613
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Speaker 3: than just shut down a cave in just cave?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he I don't even have to say

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Speaker 2: I don't think. I know that these Democrats are totally

616
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Speaker 2: out of touch with where the base is and what

617
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Speaker 2: they want and how sort of radicalized they've become in

618
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Speaker 2: this moment. And part of their radicalization is about what

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Speaker 2: Trump is doing, and part of it is about the

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Speaker 2: failures of their own media apparatus and their leadership. And

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Speaker 2: I say I know that they're out of touch with

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Speaker 2: this because in particular, you know, one of the manifestations

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Speaker 2: of this frustration is obviously on Israel, and you still

624
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Speaker 2: see them all out there trying to find some middle

625
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Speaker 2: ground and tiptoe around it. Hakeem Jeffries still not endorsings around.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's completely insane, and it's like you all

627
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Speaker 2: have no idea how loathed you are by your own

628
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: Democratic base. I mean, Zoran outperformed to keep Jeffreys by

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Speaker 2: like twenty points or something ridiculous in his own district,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think they've internalized that. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure what it's going to take for them to internalize that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what their Dave Bratt moment is going

633
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Speaker 2: to be, but one of those is coming where they're

634
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Speaker 2: going to realize like, oh, we we really are in

635
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Speaker 2: trouble here with our own people.

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Speaker 8: You know why.

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Speaker 3: I also because politics should matter, you know, the expression

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Speaker 3: of your voters should actually matter. And you know, the

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Speaker 3: one thing I think you can say about the Republicans

640
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Speaker 3: is like they mostly do what their base kind of

641
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: wants them to do, and they don't really care they

642
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: do about about you know, the media or whatever, and

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Speaker 3: there's just too much institutional elite worship and fundamentally, like

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Speaker 3: that's where my war is with these you know, the

645
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Speaker 3: kind of that bipartisan Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer type style leadership.

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Speaker 3: These people need to go they're largely the ones responsible

647
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Speaker 3: for even the reason like where we are where we

648
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Speaker 3: are today. So yeah, I would like to see them

649
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Speaker 3: be punished and punished badly, And because the voice of

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Speaker 3: people actually should matter, and political leadership is supposed to

651
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Speaker 3: be broadly reflective, and there's actually no way to solve

652
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: existential questions if you don't actually tackle them, and if

653
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: you just kind of put your blinders on and look

654
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: past it and pretend that it's all fake.

655
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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

656
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: I am an accelerationist though, So that's me, all right,

657
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: I've always been contradictions.

658
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: I think that's good. Let's get to the shootings.

659
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: Okay, very grim situation unfolding over the weekend for separate

660
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: mass shootings. Let me give you the top line for

661
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: all four, and then we can take a look at

662
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: the I guess the most deadly one, which was a

663
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: Mormon a shooting at a Mormon church. So four dead

664
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Speaker 2: and eight wounded there. Perpetrator was also killed in gunfight

665
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: with cops. You had two killed and five injured in

666
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: a casino in Texas. You had one dead and others

667
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: injured in a neighborhood in Pennsylvania. And you had a

668
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: gunman who killed three people and injured five others at

669
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Speaker 2: a pack North Carolina waterfront bar. That suspect has been

670
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: taken into custody. So I'll give you some details on

671
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: all of these, but let's go ahead and start with

672
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: this Mormon church shooting, which was absolutely horrific. Can put

673
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: these images up on the screen. You can see the

674
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: church was not only so a pickup truck rammed into

675
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: this church. The killer then shot indiscriminately at people. We

676
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of details about the exact sequence

677
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: of how this unfolded. Law enforcement is also saying there

678
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: were IED's which were recovered from the scene. As I

679
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: said before, the death toll has now risen to four

680
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: killed an eight wound. Did this was a Mormon church

681
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: that was in Michigan, so truly horrifying series of events.

682
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Here.

683
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and show you some images of

684
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: the truck that rammed into the church.

685
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: Here, you can see it there.

686
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: People noted right away, of course the American flags in

687
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: the truck bed, and then also there was an a

688
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: rock War veteran license plate on that truck. And sure

689
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: enough we actually put before up on the screen. It

690
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: turns out that the alleged will say killer here who

691
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: also was, like I said, killed by law enforcement in

692
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: a gun battle pretty quickly after this all unfolded. By

693
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: the way, law enforcement is getting a lot of credit

694
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: for their rapid response preventing even additional loss of life

695
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: from this horrific situation.

696
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: So looks like this was in a rock war.

697
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Speaker 2: Veteran Thomas Sandford I did as the gunman who attacked

698
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: this church, killing too and setting it a blaze. Don't

699
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: know a ton about him. He does have a young

700
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: child roughly ten years old. He is married, served in

701
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: a rock for I think roughly four years overseas. Let's

702
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen to a little bit

703
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: of what law enforcement had to say.

704
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: This is B three during this incident.

705
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 9: What we know right now is it a forty year

706
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 9: old suspect from Burton. He's a male. He drove his

707
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 9: vehicle through the front doors of the church. He then

708
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 9: exited his vehicle, firing several rounds at individuals within the church.

709
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 9: Ten gunshot victims have been transported to local hospitals at

710
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 9: this time, including one who has been deceased. Officers who

711
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 9: were trained immediately responded to the area. One was a

712
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 9: DNR officer, and then one was a Gramblank Township officer

713
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 9: where they met the suspect and they engaged in gunfire

714
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 9: with that particular individual, neutralizing that suspect. And that suspect

715
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 9: is no longer with us. As I said, it is

716
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 9: a forty year old male burn.

717
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: So, as I've announced, are we have no idea about

718
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: the motive here. Of course, everyone quick looked to see

719
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: what this guy's political affiliation was. He appears to be Republican,

720
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: but it also appears like this is someone who was

721
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: a veteran of one of our wars who apparently lost

722
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: his mind. I mean, they're starting to talk to people

723
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: who knew him, haven't been able to press, hasn't been

724
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: able to get in touch with the family, Like they're

725
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: not responding on no surprise there. But the people they

726
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: were able to speak to were like, I would never

727
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: in a million years think that this guy would do that.

728
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: They're one thing they're looking at. I have no idea

729
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: whether this is related or not. But the day before

730
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: this shooting, an attack occurred. Russell Nelson, the oldest ever

731
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: president of the Mormon Church, died at the age of

732
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and one and then this is obviously an

733
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: attack on the Mormon Church. Police are looking into whether

734
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: that's linked in any sort of a weird way, but

735
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: it appears that this is, you know, someone who was mentally.

736
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: I interview posted late last night of a local politician

737
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: who was canvassing the area and he actually interacted with

738
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: the suspect for his testimony, and what he said is

739
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: that when he listened anybody who's involved in public life,

740
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: and you and I have been in this situation before,

741
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: you get to meet the bottom two percent of the

742
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: population who are like mentally ill and schizophrenic, who have

743
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: kind of crazy ideas, And he apparently cornered this local

744
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: politician and had that classic side of mental illness. We're

745
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: on the surface, perfectly nice guy. Within two minutes is

746
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: talking about how LDS is the anti Christ the Mormons,

747
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: So you know, it looks like a listen. I mean,

748
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: the Mormons are classic target, unfortunately for a lot of

749
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: people involved in like these wars over Christian theology. And

750
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: it's very easy target in particular for somebody if you're

751
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: mentally ill, and you're if you're steeped in all of

752
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: this and look pure speculation, but you know, it doesn't.

753
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: It's not a far leap to say somebody who's served

754
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: in Iraq, you know, if you look at the suicide rate,

755
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: mental illness rate, and the effect of what all that takes,

756
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: not to mention, I mean, didn't seem to be doing

757
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: particularly well, like was living in like substandard conditions. So

758
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: you put all that together with what happened, and it's

759
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 3: very you know, it's very very tragic incident. Especially the

760
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: Mormons always have been targets for people, for people like this,

761
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: and it's really sad. I mean, you know, it's just

762
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: these are people who are gathering some of the people

763
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: who were shot, literal children.

764
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: It's Sunday.

765
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: It's supposed to be like a sacriscancic place. So it's

766
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: just it's a horrific tragedy. But it's one of those

767
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: where when you put it together broadly, and I unfortunately

768
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: I was not here for the ice shooting.

769
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: You guys did a good job.

770
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: But the point around it is just look at these guys.

771
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: It's like a rampant mental illness throughout the country, and

772
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: in the veteran case. I mean, look, we all agree,

773
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: I think that nobody does nearly enough. It's highly inefficient.

774
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: Even though the VA spends a ridiculous amount of money

775
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: per patient, the services and the administration that they do

776
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: is it's it's a disaster. Most of the veterans I

777
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: speak to almost always have a substandard experience. It's very

778
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: easy for guys like this to slip through the cracks,

779
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: and it's obvious. I think it's pretty obvious to me

780
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 3: that that's probably what happened here. You know, four eight

781
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: some of the worst year serve in Iraq than you have.

782
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: You know, a prolonged period of time, mental illness can

783
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 3: happen very quickly. It can be exacerbated, as we've talked

784
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: about at length about drug use online, just periods of

785
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: time you know, you can snap and the slide through

786
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: that is not a surprise. And the fact that this

787
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: local politician is saying, I canvas this guy and within

788
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: minutes he's telling me about how anti christ nailds yeas,

789
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: it gives us a little bit of an insight.

790
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: Right yeah, Well, and that wasn't the only murderer shooting

791
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: mass shooting by a rock War veteran over this weekend.

792
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: So we can put this next B five up on

793
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: the screen. This was at the North Carolina waterfront. So

794
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: they say a lone gunman killed three people, injured five

795
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: others at a pac North Carolina waterfront bar late Saturday.

796
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: Police are describing me as a highly premeditated attack. This

797
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: guy who now calls himself Nigel max Edge, she changed

798
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: his name to that, who's forty years old, detained by

799
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: the Coastguard, charge with recount first degree murder, five counts

800
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: of attempted murder, five counts of assault with the deadly

801
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: weapon another and he's another veteran of our war on

802
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: terror foreign wars. So you know, we don't know that

803
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: much about this individual yet what he was doing and

804
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: saying police are calling this premeditated. We don't have a

805
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: motive for this one either, but again fits with you know,

806
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: the pattern of Look, we send these you know, mostly

807
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: men overseas and have been commit these horrific acts that

808
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: haunt them. They come back home, they have very little

809
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: like support in terms of reintegration into society, and then

810
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: downstream from that you have, you know, horrific acts like this.

811
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: This is not too like I'm not trying to like

812
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: smear merchant veterans whatsoever.

813
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: Quite the customary their fault they're reporting a disastrous situation.

814
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying that we should be. We should pay

815
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: a lot.

816
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: More attention than First of all, we shouldn't get into

817
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: these foreign re wars and an outside of these individual

818
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: violent incidents, there is a long term societal correlation of

819
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: after you have a war, when people come back, there's

820
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: a spike in violence, there's a spike in crime. Not

821
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: to mention that, then you you know you have in

822
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: our culture, it's a mass gun culture. One of the

823
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: things that are in common with all of the mass

824
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: shootings we've been talking about lately is all of these

825
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 2: men were very proficient with firearms and been around them,

826
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, highly trained on them, et cetera. And you know,

827
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: that's one of the dynamics here as well. But you

828
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: know what's interesting is there's been very little journalistic interest

829
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 2: in the question of what the blowback has been from

830
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: what we did to these individuals when we sent them

831
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: overseas to for you know, the Iraq and Afghanistan war

832
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: in particular, I had to go back to There was

833
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: a two thousand and eight New York Times investigation and

834
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: they identified one hundred and twenty one homicides that were

835
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: linked to Iraq and Afghanistan veterans from two thousand and

836
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: one to two thousand and eight, and they found that

837
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: was an eighty nine percent increase in such cases during

838
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: wartime compared to before we went to war in a rock,

839
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: so they were able to establish somewhat of a at

840
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: least correlation and an uptick. And you know, you had

841
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: similar instances after the Vietnam War as well that were

842
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: you know, tracked closely too. So you have mass you know,

843
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: mental illness exacerbated in the veterans population because of what

844
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: they've seen and what they've done and what they've been

845
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: through and the total lack of support and complete neglect.

846
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: And this is also not to let off the hook

847
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: these killers, by the way, or just analyzing here the

848
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: societal trends, and you know, we end up with this

849
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: explosion of violence and looking around and going why does

850
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: this only happen with us? I don't think it should

851
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: be a mystery when you consider the combination of a

852
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: combustible gun culture, rampant untreated mental illness, and a society

853
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: that's kind of coming apart at the same of.

854
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: Course, I don't think you can deny any of that.

855
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the gun culture thing is one

856
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: of those where people really latch onto and I get it.

857
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: But you know, if you look at it practically, like

858
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: we've talked about the Charlie Kirk shooting at nauseum is

859
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: a bolt action rifle. It's never getting banned under quote

860
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 3: unquote It's it's not going to be banned under even

861
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: the most extreme liberal gun control at all.

862
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: I am fairly hopeless about any sort of gun control

863
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: measure that would really deal with the problem for exactly

864
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: the reasons you're stating. But in analyzing all of these

865
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: things and why we have these mass shootings in other countries,

866
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: don't you have to name it as a fashion because

867
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, part of why, yeah, and part of why

868
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson is able to allegedly take that shot is

869
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: because he's he's raised in that culture. He's very comfortable

870
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 2: with weapons, he knows what he's doing, he's a proficient marksman,

871
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: et cetera. Yeah, So that's I'm just pointing to those

872
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: fact think, obviously these are military trains.

873
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: No one's going to deny that having four hundred million

874
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: guns in the country does not make it unique. I

875
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: think it's just frankly a constant. It's not going to change.

876
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: And I mean, we've had a lot of debates here.

877
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: I don't really think it should change. But and you know,

878
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: if to echo what Charlie Kirk once said, when you

879
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: have a nation with the Second Amendment, you do accept

880
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: a certain level of violence that is not going to

881
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: be seen in other societies.

882
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: That is a simple constant.

883
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: Now, of course, you know, everyone always liked to post

884
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: that as some sort of own It's like, well, you know,

885
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: if you have other countries they don't have like even

886
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: close they have, you're worried about authoritarianism and fascism and

887
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: all that. In America, It's like, well, look at a

888
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: lot of other countries which are Western but with no guns.

889
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: It's very very different in terms.

890
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: Of their culture and the level of subservience that those

891
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: people put up with from the government.

892
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: So that's part of what the check is supposed to be.

893
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: Now, all kinds of debates about AR fifteen's and you know, magazines,

894
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: et cetera, most of which are think it's silly and

895
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: broadly doesn't work. But dealing with what we were dealing

896
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: with where we are right now, the veteran piece, the

897
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: mental illness piece. But also look, I mean I was

898
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: not able to join for that Ice shooting, but I'm

899
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: thank you for bringing up on my behalf. Drug use

900
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: and weed use was a big part of it, and

901
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 3: everybody just wants to move past it and listen, it's one,

902
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 3: it's not all of it. But oh, it just turns

903
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: out that the ice shooters quote obsessed with weed. I've

904
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: been trying to tell people that the reflections of what

905
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: we see from legalized marijuana, from just this culture of degeneracy.

906
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: Turn on football. You know, I've been watching football this

907
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: season because I can't leave my house from the bait.

908
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: Everything is just Rby's gambling and booze. It's like, oh,

909
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: do we do anything else in this country other than

910
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: get fat as shit and watch TV and drink alcohol.

911
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: Apparently that's not what anyone and the few spare bucks

912
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: they should probably save you're going to put on your

913
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: shitty parlay, which are one hundred percent going to lose.

914
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: It's like an opiate of the masses, quite literally, and

915
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: that leads to a lot of downstream hopelessness.

916
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: I talked about this with gambling.

917
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 3: If you look at the data legalized gambling and in particular,

918
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: when a home team loses, the data tells us that

919
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: domestic violence goes up. That's what we're dealing with here,

920
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: and it out put the actual like money and stakes

921
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: and all that. Part of the population in a three

922
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty million people, one percent is a

923
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: lot of people. That's millions of people. They're gonna go crazy.

924
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: That's part of the issue. And everyone's like, well, just

925
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: because one percent is going to do it badly, It's

926
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: like no, but sometimes the one percent is so bad

927
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: that we actually should consider what the you know, societal

928
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 3: norms and all this this discussion around it. Like with alcohol,

929
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: most people can drink responsibly. One out of seven people

930
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: canot drink responsibly. It causes all kinds of crazy downstream effects.

931
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: Are we willing to accept hundreds of thousands of duys

932
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 3: and debts and drunk driving et me? Not really.

933
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: I think we should do a lot more.

934
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: To actually reduce alcohol consumption or the health effects obesity.

935
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: Well, we'd have done more than anything to reduce alcohol consumption.

936
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, oh fantastic, it's so great, But now we

937
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: just have what violence skits those who are shooting iced detainees,

938
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: what a great trade that we all both should go down.

939
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: So that's not going There are parts of what you're

940
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: saying that I agree with, and I think, you know,

941
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: I view it from you know, from a leftist lens

942
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: of First of all, addiction is very profitable, right, That's

943
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: why the food and the algorithms and the gamble, like

944
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: everything is set up to addict you and keep you

945
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: locked into whatever that thing is. So that's number one.

946
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: And you know, I see a lot of these things

947
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: as being downstream from the policy and societal choices. So,

948
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, like the ice shooter, I

949
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: don't know that his weed use was related. It could

950
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: also be that's attempt at self medication is often the case.

951
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: That's not self medication.

952
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: Then if you're taking something that literally makes a certain

953
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: percent of his users go violent skitzo, then it's not medication.

954
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not saying it's like effective self but that's

955
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: that is what a lot of people who you know

956
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: struggle with, like weed addiction. They feel it is self medicating.

957
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: They're trying to check out of a life that feels

958
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: horrific to them. And so in any case, to say

959
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: like the weed is the cause of the violence. Well,

960
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: the weed could be a correlation because you have someone

961
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: who's struggling with mental illness and isn't getting treated and

962
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: they're treating themselves. And that's what I'm trying to point out.

963
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: In any case, with these two dudes, we don't have

964
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 2: any sort of wead connection that we're.

965
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: Aware obviously, so I think it's going to come out.

966
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: But you know, if you like, there's a big temptation

967
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: to sort of draw a circle around all these things

968
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: and try.

969
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 4: To see because we've had this.

970
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: Rash of them, and try to tell a story about it,

971
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: you know, some very natural human impulse. And it could

972
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: be that there is no real story to tell about

973
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: all of these disparate shootings and murders. But if I

974
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: had to try to tell a story, you know, they

975
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: all seem to spring out of sort of the the

976
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: societal ills that we're struggling with, right, disaffected young men,

977
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: political extremism, the blowback from our endless you know, wars,

978
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: and what we subjected you know, these young men and

979
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: women to when we sent them overseas to fight and

980
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: die in these like base in moral, pointless wars that

981
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: only made things worse. All of those sort of chickens

982
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: are coming home to roost is what it feels like

983
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: right now. And you know, to add one that'll you know,

984
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: serve some of your your points. There was also put

985
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: B six up on the screen. There was also a

986
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: shooting at this casino in Texas.

987
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 4: This one.

988
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: We really have no idea what the this is Korean

989
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: Jones thirty four, what the motivation was, what's.

990
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 4: Going on here?

991
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't have any more information for you, but you know,

992
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: you could imagine what might have been going on. Why

993
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: someone would be angry at a casino. You know, that's

994
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: certainly a possibility. And then did we put B five

995
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: B up just so people could see the picture of

996
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: the Yeah, this is the guy that's accused of murdering

997
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: the people at the North Carolina waterfront. Now his story

998
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: in terms of his service, he was actually injured, I

999
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: think shot four times in a friendly fire incident and

1000
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: suffered severe you know, like brain damage.

1001
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 4: Because of this.

1002
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: He was actually, as it says here, he once escored

1003
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: in this American Idol Star to the Country Music a

1004
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: Wards because he was you know, sort of like a

1005
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: minor cause to lab because of the injuries that he

1006
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: had suffered, et cetera. And then after that you can

1007
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 2: just imagine like a sort of downward spiral and how

1008
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: you I mean, I can't really imagine how you end

1009
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: up in this situation where you're murdering people, but you

1010
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: can certainly imagine a downward spiral for this. No one

1011
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: who is already was suffering with this brain injury.

1012
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: We're not absolving any of these people.

1013
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: We're showing like we're trying to look at the on

1014
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: the gambling point.

1015
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look, Vegas.

1016
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: Anybody who lives in Vegas will back me up on

1017
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: this because I've spoken with people and I was telling

1018
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: you guys about it. The amount of suicides and Vegas

1019
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: parking lots and hotel rooms is shocking. The LVPD and

1020
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: others mostly try to cover it up because they don't

1021
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: want to affect tourism. But the amount of violence, as

1022
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: I just talked about, domestic violence when people miss their

1023
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: parlays and they end up beating their wives, lots of

1024
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: alcohol use also used to alcohol and weed use combined

1025
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: and shocking people start to commit crazy crime.

1026
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: Same thing.

1027
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: You know, there's just something about people who get driven

1028
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: to the brink. I've seen it, have you ever been

1029
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: to a casino and you see somebody who is gambling

1030
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: out of literal like within with something a look on

1031
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: their face of like absolute sheer desperation.

1032
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, you got to get out of here.

1033
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

1034
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 3: But you know, instead, what does the casino do. That's

1035
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: the most profitable customer, right, Not the guy who's just

1036
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: sitting there betting the past line having some fun. This

1037
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: guy who's just hoping for the big one and then

1038
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: ends up losing their entire paycheck. Okay, we don't know

1039
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: all of the circumstance, but yes, violence in casino. These

1040
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: people have security and all that for a reason, because

1041
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: people are crazy. And that's just my final psa here

1042
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: on gambling, because I was just looking. Fifty two percent

1043
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 3: of betters in the US, which is some hundred million

1044
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 3: people have now gambled more than fifty dollars per month

1045
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: in this NFL season. That is quite literally statistically, if

1046
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: you're watching this in your medium household income, that's your margin,

1047
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 3: all right, which is crazy in a country like today,

1048
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: but six hundred dollars per year of your after tax.

1049
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Income is quite literally your safety margin.

1050
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: So do you really want to be blowing that to

1051
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: a company which you know Dave Ramsey I recently saw

1052
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: him say this. He goes, these people are buying the

1053
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 3: most expensive advertising literally in the history of the world.

1054
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: You think they're doing that with charity dollars. It's your money,

1055
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: all right, And so in the meantime, people just get addicted,

1056
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: you know, to the thrill. It has the highest rate

1057
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: of suicidal ideation of any addiction, more so than heroin addicts,

1058
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: more so than everyone else. It's the easiest one to

1059
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: cover up, right, everybody's It's like the keeping Up with

1060
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: the Joneses thing. You have no idea how financed the

1061
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: cars are in the driveway, and then there's a silent

1062
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: life of desperation in the back and then people just break.

1063
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: So stay away from it.

1064
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 3: That's all I can tell you, especially if you have kids,

1065
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: please please keep them away.

1066
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: It's bad.

1067
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 3: It's permeating everything in our culture. All right, Let's get

1068
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 3: to TikTok, shall we. Prime Minister bb nets on Yahoo

1069
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: is here in Washington for this week. He will be

1070
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 3: having an unprecedented fourth visit to the White House.

1071
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: Congratulations to him.

1072
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: But while in the United States for the United Nations

1073
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 3: General Assembly, meeting. After having a mass walkout while his speech,

1074
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: he took some time out of his busy day to

1075
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 3: meet with US content creators, specifically to brief them about

1076
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: the propaganda war over Israel. He was asked specifically, how

1077
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 3: should Americans or how should American pro Israel forces fight

1078
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: back against the rising tide of what they call anti Semitism,

1079
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: And here he now speaks about how one of the

1080
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 3: most important things is the new purchase of TikTok.

1081
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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 10: Well, we have to fight with the weapons that apply

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00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 10: to the battlefields in which one gains, and the most

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00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 10: important ones are on social media. And the most important

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00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 10: purchase that is going on right now is Toller Tom

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00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 10: number one, number one, and I hope it goes through

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00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 10: because it can be consequential. And the other one, what's

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00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 10: the other one that's most important?

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00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: X X very good?

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Speaker 10: And you know, so we have to talk to the Luck.

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00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 10: He's not an enemy, he's a friend. We should talk

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00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 10: to him now. If we can get those two things,

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00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 10: we get Luck and I could go on on other things,

1094
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 10: but that's not the point right now. We have to

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00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 10: fight the fight, Okay. To take give direction to the

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Speaker 10: Jewish people and give director to our non Jewish friends

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Speaker 10: or those who could be a Jewish of friends.

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Speaker 3: The most important purchase is going right now is TikTok.

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Speaker 3: I hope it goes through because it's going to be consequential.

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00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: So Chris sol I once again asked, will you join

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00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: me in calling for the band of TikTok? This it

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00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: was important even for you know, on the whole China

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00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: data thing. But one of the things that people underestimated

1104
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: is that what Trump saw with his victory after twenty

1105
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: twenty four was all the kids here, But it's the

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00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: power of the algorithm and what obviously the worry about

1107
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: that was with China. But now because it's Trump, he's like, oh,

1108
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 3: we'll preserve TikTok, but we'll make sure that a bunch

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00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: of pro Israel forces are involved in the purchase. And

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00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: it's undeniable that TikTok is very good at shaping culture,

1111
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: which is why the Chinese ban TikTok in their own country,

1112
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 3: just to be very clear for people who don't understand that.

1113
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: And now what they're looking at it is they've already

1114
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: installed this censorship head over there. They get to keep

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00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: their business everybody's everyone is going to keep scrolling. Don't

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00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 3: deny yourself.

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00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: It's like we just talked.

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00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 3: About weed addiction and gambling addiction and all that. It's

1119
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 3: exactly the same thing downstream of the hours a day

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Speaker 3: that people are burning on TikTok and scrolling. Well, now

1121
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 3: it's going to have the same propagandistic efforts kind of

1122
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 3: behind the scenes. It's now probably the most overtly politically

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00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: controlled social media platform alongside Twitter. Now i'd say, I'd

1124
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: say a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of time.

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00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: But the thing is, the only reason why I think

1127
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: it's more consequential is Twitter is for elites, so it's

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00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: very important at shaping you know, elite culture and conversation. Yeah,

1129
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 3: a couple hundred million people use Twitter globally, Like in

1130
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 3: the United States, it's a couple hundred million people on TikTok,

1131
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: Like actual people who have no Twitter account, don't even

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00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: know what's going on over there and not involved in

1133
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: the wars over whatever, you know, some sort of political

1134
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: going on, they're scrolling. That's where a lot of their

1135
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: information is coming from. So, by far, in my opinion,

1136
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 3: the most consequential at a small de democratic perspective for

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00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: shaping whatever the future conversation.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so now instead of my China's could ben by Israel?

1139
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well great could abandon great stuff abandon definitely worse.

1140
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I guess I don't see it

1141
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: as any worse than than X or other social media.

1142
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's all poison. Like that's where

1143
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: I am. I don't know what the answer is, Like,

1144
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: I don't know that complete ban is the answer, but

1145
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like at a loss as to what

1146
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: to do about all of these things that are set

1147
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 2: on colonizing our mind, right, colonizing our attention.

1148
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: That's what they're like.

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00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 2: That's the commodity that they trade in and with dystopian outcomes, frankly,

1150
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: but the ones which we can't resist. You know, we

1151
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: were talking about the gambling addiction, like the scroll both

1152
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 2: of TikTok and you know YouTube shorts and Twitter, it's

1153
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: all modeled off of slot machines, like to keep you

1154
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: endlessly scrolling. That's the whole idea, is the endless scroll.

1155
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it's it's brain poison. And I

1156
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: just the one thing I will say, like, I think

1157
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 2: if Beabie really thinks that this is going to you know,

1158
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: help him win the propaganda war. Like the propaganda war

1159
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: for Israel's already lost. That battle is over, it's done.

1160
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: Now they have to operate in the realm of just

1161
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: like pure power politics, like cracking down on anyone who

1162
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: just sends, you know, using their their main ally and

1163
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: most important now only ally that matters the United States

1164
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: of America to do their bidding in terms of cracking

1165
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: down on our own population, backing them in their endless wars.

1166
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 4: Like that's where they're at.

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00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: They've already lost the sort of soft power competition in

1168
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: terms of global opinion. I don't think that their ownership

1169
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 2: of TikTok is necessarily going.

1170
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Speaker 4: To change that.

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00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: In fact, if anything, it's going to further piss people

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: off and enrage them that they feel that heavy hand

1173
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: of censorship now coming down from their favorite class I

1174
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: would hope.

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Speaker 3: So, I'm not yet quite sure about our current population,

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Speaker 3: and in particular with some of the calls right now

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Speaker 3: for open censorship. Here we have Israeli politician Yayrgalan openly

1178
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Speaker 3: says the next step is strict controls on social media,

1179
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Speaker 3: in particular going after Twitter and saying that they need

1180
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Speaker 3: to ban what he considers to be anti Semitic voices.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 8: The next thing I will do.

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Speaker 3: We will do.

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Speaker 8: Is to put restriction on the social media in a

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Speaker 8: way that not allowed to make brutal propaganda in the

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Speaker 8: social media. Because this is a worldwide problem and it

1187
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 8: should be initiate by the United States of America, the

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00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 8: place where all the big firms is settled. Facebook and

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00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 8: X and all the rest. This is a major problem

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00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 8: for democracy all over the globe, and we need to

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00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 8: treat it seriously.

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00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: We need to take it seriously. Facebook to X, they

1193
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: all need to be banned. I mean, does anybody else

1194
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 3: just think it's so crazy that Bebee comes to America

1195
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: and assembles a group of social media influencers, including his

1196
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: own son.

1197
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: Is that the only interaction that he has with his

1198
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: own son?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you're what so your son, who, by the way,

1200
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 3: lives here in America? Why for what reason? What's his

1201
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 3: visa status? Anybody want to call ice over that one?

1202
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: You know, how exactly? Who doesn't he draft agailable shouldn't

1203
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: be fighting in Gaza if it's so patriotic and amazing

1204
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: and he's sitting over here on our soil, presumably on

1205
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: a you know, some sort of friendly visa, being guarded

1206
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: by the literal Israeli shinbat as he lives in a

1207
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: penthouse apartment in Miami and firing off tweets from his

1208
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: sunny little balcony about how they need more censorship of

1209
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson and Cannas Owens and it's just so naked,

1210
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 3: it's so unbelievable. And I hope, I hope that you're

1211
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: correct that the propaganda war and all of that is lost.

1212
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1213
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: I still like, even with all of the sentiment moving, Yeah,

1214
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: at a basic level, the politics have not changed. Like

1215
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: at the power level the Trump administration, they could care

1216
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: less about the rising tide of Look, even amongst Republican

1217
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 3: younger voters, it's like the sentiment is lost. They just

1218
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: don't care. They're like, look, this is what we are

1219
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: going to do. The average Republican politician still doesn't care.

1220
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: The average Democrat politician will pay a little bit of

1221
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: lip service. But at a you know, power level, they're

1222
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: not doing anything about it. Slock in here on our show.

1223
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll vote for it, Maybe I won't goes on

1224
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: Stephen Colbert then says she would have voted against it

1225
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: if she was there, but we'll never know because she

1226
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,439
Speaker 3: wasn't there. Because she was It's like, what's going on here? Yeah,

1227
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's like does this Does any of this

1228
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 3: even matter?

1229
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: No, the hard power, like they still have a lock

1230
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: on a lot of certainly the Trump administration, no doubt

1231
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: about that, and most Democrats. But you know, let's to

1232
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: the point of whether or not they're winning the propaganda war.

1233
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: Should we take a listen to a little bit of

1234
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: the propaganda and you can tell me if you find it,

1235
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: tell me if you find this persuasive or not. This

1236
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: is the three This is some of the influencers who

1237
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: were gathered at this meeting to get a sense of

1238
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: some of the content they're putting out to the TikTok world.

1239
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 11: We were asking him the hard questions that a lot

1240
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 11: of people from our generation have been raising concerns about,

1241
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 11: for example, and the same way he listened to us

1242
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 11: and took in our criticisms. I'm truly hoping that you

1243
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 11: guys will listen to the answer. Apak Apak is something

1244
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 11: that I see.

1245
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 4: All the time.

1246
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 11: Number One, Apak is not an Israeli organization. It has

1247
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 11: no ties whatsoever to the government of Israel foreign lobbying.

1248
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 11: It's a lobbyist group that happens to be lobbying for

1249
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 11: a certain group of people, right, and this is not

1250
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 11: unique to Israel. There are multiple countries that do this,

1251
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 11: and there's multiple different groups that do this. For some reason,

1252
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 11: people just attach ont APAC, despite the fact that APAC

1253
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 11: makes up less than five percent of the lobbying. So

1254
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 11: if you have a problem with lobbying, like me, that's

1255
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 11: totally fine. I'm against APAC because I'm against lobbying. But

1256
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 11: you can't just hone in on one specific group. If

1257
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 11: you're going to be against it, then be against it

1258
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 11: for everybody. Moving on from that, we were asking questions

1259
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 11: about these rumors that Israel has been going out and

1260
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 11: funding people, and no, none of us were paid for

1261
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 11: that meeting. But I wish Phobe if you want to

1262
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 11: write one hundred and fifty million check, go for it.

1263
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 11: But we asked, We asked about funding, and as he explained,

1264
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 11: Israel is not offering to fund anybody. They're not trying

1265
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 11: to get involved in American political advocacy groups. That has

1266
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 11: never happened. And if you're concerned about this. Who you

1267
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 11: should be concerned about is Katark. The last thing that

1268
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 11: we really touched on was the aid. People don't know this,

1269
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 11: but Nanyah, Who's first address to Congress was to.

1270
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 4: Say that they didn't want aid.

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01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 11: Jimmy Carter, who was a notoriously anti Israel president, is

1272
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 11: actually who started this because he saw that Israel was

1273
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 11: building up their air force and he didn't want them to.

1274
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 11: So he gave them eight that they could only use

1275
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 11: to buy military weapons from US, and they had to

1276
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 11: agree to shut down their manufacturers. So now they're dependent

1277
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 11: in a way on this aid for military operations that

1278
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 11: America doesn't want them to lose because we use it

1279
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 11: as a leash on them, so that.

1280
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Speaker 1: At our points.

1281
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: I just pulled this up on TikTok. Here are the

1282
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 4: top comments.

1283
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: Number one on the payroll confirmed, Number two that APAC

1284
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: paycheck must be insane. Number three did she just say

1285
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: that APAX not an Israeli lobbying group with four question marks?

1286
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: As a conservative? That man is a war criminal? How

1287
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: much are they paying you? As soon as she said

1288
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: APAC was an Israeli lobby I scrolled out confirmed, unfollowed,

1289
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: We're not buying it, et cetera, et cetera.

1290
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, look, look I don't know.

1291
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: I just I feel very dark about how this is

1292
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 3: all playing out right now. And the reason why is

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Speaker 3: that as as disturbing and preposterous as all these influencers

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01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: and all that are, they have currency.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're meeting with the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 4: Oh do you need to make me think of those Sager?

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: It makes me think of you know, we cover the

1298
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: chorus dark money scandal with the Democrats where they're paying

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01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: this like you know, one of the influencers, does some

1300
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: American girl dull like pro DNC memes. You listen to

1301
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: most of these people content and you're like, okay, good luck,

1302
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: or the DNC started their own podcast.

1303
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 4: Ken Clippenstein loves posting the.

1304
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 2: Views on it, like just because you put money behind

1305
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: a thing, doesn't mean anyone is going to buy what

1306
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: you're selling, doesn't mean anyone's gonna be like and like

1307
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: I said, if anything people watching that or just like

1308
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: screw you. Basically it had the opposite of the intended effect.

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01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: We've got one more we can show you too, which

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: is if anything, you I mean this, this.

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Speaker 1: Is the best one.

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Speaker 4: This is wild. This is c four. Take a listen.

1313
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 12: Imagine supporting people who start wars just to lose the wars.

1314
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 4: So they can cry about it and then try.

1315
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 3: It all again.

1316
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 13: You must see anti Semites are literally obsessed with Jews.

1317
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 13: Now walk with me while you must see. Anti Semites

1318
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 13: are stacking eviction notices. Jews are out here stacking up businesses.

1319
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 4: Jews control all the industries. Maybe if you spend more

1320
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 4: time taking.

1321
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 12: Notes from successful people, you wouldn't have to spend your

1322
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 12: nights and weekends spreading hate from your anonymous account with

1323
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 12: an anime profile picture.

1324
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: Do you work as hard as Jews?

1325
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 13: Do you network like Jews? No, because you're too busy

1326
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 13: cheering on a group of musty terrorists who smell like

1327
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 13: dirty ear ring backs. And if we're gonna keep it, really,

1328
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 13: you're really mad because your income is giving side hustle period. Hi,

1329
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 13: you gonna hate from outside shapot you can't even get in.

1330
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: Wow, So they have their own sassy gay black guy.

1331
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 4: Congratulations, Well and I love this.

1332
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Speaker 3: Who is that influencing? I don't know it's being paid.

1333
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look it's perverse and it's sick, but like

1334
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: pretty clearly they're finding.

1335
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: Is that reaching an audience.

1336
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: Probably not, but they're obviously look they're doing it for something,

1337
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: like they're making some money of perpetuating this stuff. I

1338
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: believe that some of these people were present at the

1339
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 3: Bill Ackman summit them right, And that's my point is

1340
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 3: like it's it still does come with access to power.

1341
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: That's what makes me feel dark really about the entire thing.

1342
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, people's salaries are getting paid.

1343
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 3: Do I think that influences anybody. No, I certainly don't.

1344
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: I think it's pathetic and ridiculous. But they're getting meetings

1345
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: with the Israeli Prime Minister. One of the things is

1346
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 3: when you look at Israel is that at the end

1347
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: of the day, believe in hard power. So for them

1348
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: this influencer briefing, everybody can laugh it off. I don't

1349
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: laugh it off because clearly they still think it's important

1350
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: and maybe it's a signal to the future TikTok people

1351
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 3: that these people need to be boosted in the algorithm

1352
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 3: or something. And you and I know, like there is

1353
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 3: enough kind of mindless scrolling and lack of information, lack

1354
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: of just attention or whatever that to casually just stumble

1355
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: across and get quote the truth. Clearly, the Israelis believe

1356
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 3: this is like an extential, extent and very important mission

1357
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 3: for them, Yeah, to try and will it work. No,

1358
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think so, but I don't know. I

1359
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't put it past them. I trust their judgment in

1360
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: respect of controlling the conversations.

1361
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Speaker 4: I don't.

1362
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad to not because I just think

1363
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: that they have so cocooned them.

1364
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Speaker 4: It really is.

1365
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm not equating the two, but it does remind me

1366
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of the DNC, Like they're so high on

1367
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 2: their own supply, they're so cocooned in their own bubble

1368
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: and so insulated from their critics because they just immediately

1369
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: write anyone off who has anything negative to say as

1370
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: an anti semi and they don't let it penetrate. And

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01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: so I think they are completely disconnected from the way

1372
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: that they have just become reviled around the world, around

1373
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 2: the world, and reviled in the US in a way

1374
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: that has never been the case. And so you know,

1375
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 2: I mean that like that thing was a mess, that

1376
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: was a disaster. Yeah, I don't think there's one person

1377
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: who looked at that and was like, oh, you're right

1378
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: not to mention it was anti semitic. Even as they're

1379
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: trying to like stand up against anti Semitism, and they're

1380
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: like the Jews control all the industry and are really

1381
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: good with money. It's like, what are you doing here?

1382
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: So in any case, I mean, there's always going to

1383
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: be shameless hacks who stuck up to power no matter what.

1384
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 4: That's what these people are.

1385
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: They know that they can get into these meetings if

1386
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 2: they toe the line. They you know, may genuinely have

1387
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: some like ideological belief about it or whatever. But more importantly,

1388
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: there's always going to be sick of fans who circle power.

1389
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: And that's what's going on here. It is very dystopian,

1390
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. The consolidation of media power in

1391
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: Trump aligned hands and in pro Zionist hands, that is

1392
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: very disconcerting. And the amount of you know, sway that

1393
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: they can use these social media platforms. They're out there

1394
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: saying like, look, we're going to tell Elon what to do,

1395
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: and he's probably going to do it because he's our buddy.

1396
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: Is also really wild and dystopian. So I don't want

1397
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: to downplay it. I just want to say that I

1398
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: think that their haspara efforts have been laughably pathetic. No

1399
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: one is buying their bullshit anymore. Very few people are

1400
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: buying their bullshit anymore.

1401
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: I should say.

1402
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: And we all have access to reality now, like you're

1403
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 2: not going to be able to stop the flow of

1404
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: the videos of the horror coming out of Gaza. And

1405
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: by the way, your own soldiers post their own war crimes,

1406
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 2: so we can see it directly from them as well.

1407
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: We can listen to the statements that you make about

1408
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: how you're trying to manipulate all of us and buy

1409
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 2: up the media platform so that there's no descent. We

1410
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: can listen to them saying in hebro you know, we

1411
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: can hit the translate button and hear them talking about

1412
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: how there's no innocence and how they want to displace

1413
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: everyone and exactly what the plan is. So, you know,

1414
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: I think it will be very hard for them in

1415
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: this environment to just hide reality and hide the truth

1416
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: and to turn back the clock and then persuade people, Oh,

1417
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: you know what, I was wrong, It's not a genocide,

1418
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: like actually, this is the most moral army on the

1419
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: plant or whatever.

1420
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 4: Nonsense.

1421
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I hope you're right. Let's go to C five.

1422
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 3: Please up here on the screen, which shows the list

1423
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: of the influencers that always like I said.

1424
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go, first of the list.

1425
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an influencer. He's a Nepo baby living on

1426
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 3: our contract to poor disaster. Please send him, send them

1427
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: to Gaza, all right. You know, one of the hallmarks

1428
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: of a society, like one of the things that it's

1429
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 3: easy to romanticize it, as horrible as it was. But

1430
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 3: in the First World War, something I've always respected about

1431
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 3: the British and the Germans and all their societies is

1432
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 3: that when the leaders went to war, they actually sent

1433
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 3: their own sons because they believed in it. Like you

1434
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 3: had the Prime Minister of the UK whose son was

1435
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 3: literally killed in combat. You had you know, crown princes

1436
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 3: and others in the field of battle. The average life

1437
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: expectancy for a British soldier almost entirely taken from the

1438
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 3: upper cross like the lords and others who supported the

1439
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 3: war was like I don't even remember exactly the timeline,

1440
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 3: but it was very very short. But my point is

1441
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: just that nowadays, you know, it's the norm of the

1442
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 3: chickenhawk meme, where you have the congressman and everybody else.

1443
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: This kind of relates to our shootings.

1444
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 3: Block who support the war, their kids get to go

1445
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 3: to college, get exempt.

1446
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: We don't even have a draft anymore.

1447
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: But it's like very few of them ever sign up

1448
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 3: for military service. And then it's like the working classmen

1449
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: and women of the country who actually have to go

1450
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 3: abroad and face the consequences.

1451
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: That's like the post World War two status quo.

1452
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 3: So there is something very sick about that, and clearly

1453
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 3: that's also present in Israeli society as well. And by

1454
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 3: the way, to that point, Paramount has now released a

1455
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 3: new trailer for something called Red Alert, a four part

1456
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 3: mini series depicting the real life stories of the victims

1457
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: of October seventh massacre in Israel. Why does that matter

1458
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 3: because Paramount was bought by whom, David Ellison, the guy

1459
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 3: who wants to hire Barry Weiss over at CBS News.

1460
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 3: Paramount's Guide Dance now owned entirely by by David Ellison,

1461
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: who also just made an all cash bid for Warner

1462
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 3: Brothers Discovery including HBO Max. So you're going to have

1463
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 3: two Hollywood studios that are all under control.

1464
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows what's going to get released nationwide.

1465
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1466
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that's where again the ability to shape culture

1467
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,480
Speaker 3: is that from TikTok to the literal movie studios.

1468
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 1: It's going to be.

1469
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: Very very interesting to see what the divide on that

1470
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 3: and whether it can hold who actually controls everything. I

1471
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 3: tend to believe a lot of it, A lot of

1472
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 3: it is a lot more top down than people think

1473
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: to be able to push this stuff, you know, out

1474
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: into the ether. But potential, potentially the Internet will still

1475
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: be more powerful.

1476
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just would say like they are

1477
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: becoming more overt and more heavy handed, but like the

1478
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 2: Western media has been aggressively pro Israel forever and certainly,

1479
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: you know the way they framed October seventh, post October

1480
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: seventh are involvement, et cetera. So it's not like they

1481
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 2: haven't been trying on the propaganda front. And still like

1482
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: you have this massive revolt against what they're doing. Democratic

1483
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: Party is lost, Independence are lost, Republicans are divided. Young

1484
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: Republicans are increasingly lost. So I think it's probably too

1485
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: late to put those pieces back together, but they are

1486
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: certainly going to try.

1487
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: They're trying. We'll see, Yeah, I don't know.

1488
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it'll be a boon for independent film

1489
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: or something, but then how do you get it distributed? See,

1490
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: that's that's the issue with Hollywood. It's so bottlenecked and

1491
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 3: so controlled. That's probably the thing I worry about the most.

1492
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 3: And also, just don't screw up HBO, please please please.

1493
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 3: It's like, let us just have our tasks, all right.

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01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: Great show. Shout out to that