1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: dot Com. We go here, we go on the Giants bubble. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Let them there, Let's go part of the Giants podcast Network. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Giant Huttle Podcast. John 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 3: Schmult joined by from the Record to beat reporter for 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 3: the Giants, Art Stable, then Art, How are you man? 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: What's up? John? We're getting there. It's it's the countdown 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: to h Our abbreviated Summer right. 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: Yes, MIDI camp is in the books. It's all done. 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: We have a couple of little things left. 11 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 3: But I figured this is a good time to catch 12 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: up with you. We talked before the Giants went through 13 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: their offseason at the Combine what they should do. We've 14 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 3: seen what they have done now and we'll kind of 15 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 3: talk about exactly how their off season looks. So I 16 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: guess let's do that first take off in the airplane, 17 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 3: get the forty thousand feet look down. 18 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: What do you think about what the Giants did this offseason. 19 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: I think they had two priorities. Obviously, let's put the 20 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: business side of it, the contracts aside for a second. 21 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: As far as you know, Daniel Jones and what's happening 22 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: with Saquan and everything else. The reality is that I 23 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: think they identified two things from last year's team that 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: they needed to improve. That was speed on offense, really 25 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: speed on both sides of the ball, but speed on offense. 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: I think they accomplished that. And on defense, the run defense, 27 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: what to do about up front to compliment Dexter Lawrence 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: and Leonard Williams. I think they've done that. And I 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: think putting Bobby Okarake in that spot against the run 30 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: now gives you a linebacker inside that can go sideline. 31 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: The sideline. We saw firsthand what he did last year 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: at MetLife in that disaster of a game for his team, 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: the Colts at the time. And I think so those 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: two I think were the priorities. I think Joe Shane 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: talked about that and he went out and he accomplished that. 36 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Now we'll see when they get on the field if 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: it translates from paper to production. But I do think 38 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: that that's really the two biggest needs for this team globally, 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: and I think they went out and they definitely put 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: their stamp on both of those. 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get let's start the offense first, because 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: you mentioned speed right, And something that Brandon Brown actually 43 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 3: said when he spoke to the media on Tuesday struck me. 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: I think that it was a very generic question like 45 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: what was your goal and the goals of this offseason, 46 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: and he didn't say speed specifically, but he did say, look, 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: we need more explosive plays on offense, and look, this 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: team was better offensively last year, but they still weren't 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: where you need them to be, right, So you need 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: to get chunk plays. It's hard to sustain eight play drives, 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: nine play drives and score touchdowns. You have to be 52 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: really good in the red zone to get explosive plays. 53 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: Makes your life a lot easier on offense and a 54 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: lot easier to score seven on drives instead of three. 55 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: And I think that was the reason for the speed, 56 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: where you want to try to give Daniel Jones some 57 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: chances to make plays down the field because they just 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 3: weren't enough of them last year. 59 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: The only vertical threat you really had last year was 60 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: Darius slat yep and every time they went vertical to 61 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: slate and defenses knew it was coming. You know, you're 62 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: you're not going to draw safeties elsewhere when you're working 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: underneath underneath, underneath, and you have one guy to go deep, 64 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: and that's essentially what they had last year. Now that's 65 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: no disrespect to the player involved or anything else, but 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: that certainly helps Slayton when if you're running wall or 67 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: deep on the other side. Something I saw on Tuesdays 68 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: Mini camp practice, and again John, you know, Dable made 69 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: a point to say, we're not doing competitive periods eleven 70 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: on eleven. It's all walkthroughs in the spring. So what 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: we're seeing we kind of have to guess, We kind 72 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: of have to you know, insinuate. Okay, here's how the 73 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: defense will react, here's what the Giants will want to 74 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: do and attack them. But some simple plays of sending 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: Waller deep and clearing out the underneath and having Paris 76 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Campbell come across with his speed. There were four straight 77 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: plays that I counted in my notebook in Mini camp 78 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: practice on Tuesday where Daniel Jones hit Paris Campbell coming 79 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: across the middle. They were different routes, they weren't just 80 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, drags underneath, shallows that kind of thing, and 81 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: it just seemed to open everything up. And I think 82 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: that's really what this offense wants to do. Brian Dable, 83 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Mike Kafka, and the rest of the offensive coaching staff 84 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: want to sit down, play a chess game and say, 85 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: here's what we're going to do. We are going to 86 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: manipulate your defense. And I think now they have some 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: more pieces that they can do that with the season. Yeah. 88 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 3: Look, I think the impact of Waller too. You know, 89 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: you talk about a vertical threat with Slay, but it's 90 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: more than just chucking the ball deep twenty thirty yards. 91 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: In the air. 92 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: You want to get those you know, seventeen yard deep incuts, 93 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: those those deep over routes that are you know, you 94 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 3: catch him sixteen or seventeen yards down the field, maybe 95 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: a running another the fifteen, you get thirty out of them. 96 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: And I think that's where Darren Waller comes in, right. 97 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: I mean, he's technically a tight end art but let's 98 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: be honest, He's basically going to be their X wide receiver. 99 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: He's going to be the. 100 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: Guy that they trust in typed areas and over the 101 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: middle of the field to win one on one and 102 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: he really is gonna be the lynchpin that keep safeties 103 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: in the middle of the field to give Jalen Hyde 104 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: and Darius Slayton room to get deep. He's going to 105 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: be their go to guy. 106 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's no question. I mean I think 107 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: they'll be searching for mismatches that they can create with 108 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: Darren Waller. And I think, you know, you look back. 109 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: I mean I've heard some fans, like the fans that 110 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: that kind of aren't buying in to Waller completely say well, look, 111 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: the Giants had Evan Ingram, how come they didn't use 112 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: him different? It was a different player, a different offense. 113 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: But that was always the frustration, is that the way 114 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the Giants were, whether they were forced to use Evan 115 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Ingram the way they did, they just didn't seek mismatches. 116 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: They basically ran curls and comebacks with Evan Ingram. They're 117 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: not going to do that with Darren Waller. Darren Waller 118 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: is going to be across the middle. I like what 119 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: you said about the over routes because when the Giants 120 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: did hit big plays last year, that over route I mean, 121 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: and I'm being a novice and what it was, I 122 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what they called the route, but I 123 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: think of they hit Saquon on one in London. That 124 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: was a huge play that you know, just those kind 125 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: of plays that I think open up everything else. And 126 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: I do agree with you that Waller, I mean from 127 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: what I've seen. I mean, I I know number one, 128 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: they want, you want to see him healthy. I mean, 129 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, at this point he seems to be on 130 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: a good path, a good trajectory. But boy, that was 131 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: a huge swing that they took to bring Waller here. 132 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: And I think they do have big plans for how 133 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: Waller affects everybody else. 134 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: And you know another thing Brandon Brown said the other 135 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: day which just kind of struck based on what you 136 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 3: talked about. He talked about it's important to understand the 137 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: market each off season, right understand where they're surplus and 138 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: where their scarcity. And I think when the Giants went 139 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: out there and got Darren Waller, when they looked at 140 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: the market, they said, look, there's a scarcity of wide 141 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 3: receivers available because's nobody good in the free agent market, 142 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: not really in trade availability, because the guys that maybe 143 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: are availability via trade are making so much money can't 144 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: fit him in. And then the draft really didn't have 145 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 3: that pure number. 146 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: One that might be there. 147 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: There were some good players, but not somebody they're gonna 148 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: plug in is that you know, big number one wide receiver. 149 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: And I think they said, look, Waller's the best chance 150 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: we have here, especially at the price over to get 151 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: him at all. 152 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: In his contract wasn't big either, were very reasonable. 153 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: Where you can bring somebody in here really impact the 154 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: passing game. It is not going to hamstring you in 155 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: other areas. 156 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you talk about that wide receiver list 157 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: in free agency, I remember Paris Campbell being one of 158 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: the guys that I said, I can see them liking. 159 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's not a wide receiver one, but if 160 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking for a game changing wide receiver in this offense, 161 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell can go towards that. The fact that they 162 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: got Paris Campbell but also added Darren Waller, I think 163 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: says a lot about this. You know, this plan that 164 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: they put together, and I think it was very calculated, 165 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: and I think, look, they are taking some risks, they're 166 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: assuming some risks. You've got guys who you know, I 167 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: know that whole line of you know, injured guys get injured. 168 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: So let's see, let's hope that they can work on 169 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: a plan and keep those guys healthy. But I do 170 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: think that it was a calculated plan and a good 171 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: one to get to them this point. 172 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: And I think they have. 173 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: I think we've kind of seen what they like in 174 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: terms of wide receivers, and they've kind of put the 175 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: receivers into three different buckets for me. Or you have 176 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: your bigger guys. You're Isaiah Hodgens, You're Colin Johnson's, your 177 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: Bryce Ford Wheaton's, You're David Sills. Those are kind of 178 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: like your bigger possession type guys, right. Then you have 179 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: your speed guys. You have Darius Slayton, you have Jalen Hyatt, 180 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: who are your speed merchants kind of outside, then you 181 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: have your group of slots where the Giants have a 182 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: ton of those guys. They's Starring Shepherd, Paris Campbell, different 183 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 3: body types, but they both will play in the lot 184 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: while the Robinson Jamison crowd are and that's kind of 185 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: how you separate them the buckets. And I think you 186 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 3: see the type of roles that you're gonna want from 187 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: those guys and how they kind of come together in 188 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: this offense a little bit. 189 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: I think last year and talking to Joe Shane, you know, 190 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: press box chats and what have you. During the course 191 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: of the season, I think He was very conscious of 192 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: the fact that what they were missing last year was depth. 193 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: Depth at a lot of different positions, and that was obvious. 194 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: You know, the roster reconstruction was not going to take 195 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: one season. I do believe that they made a concerted 196 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: effort to kind of give themselves some insurance at different spots. 197 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: Because everybody's looking at now and saying, oh, the numbers, 198 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: the numbers, Where are these guys gonna make the team? 199 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: Where they're gonna make the team. They don't have to 200 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: make that decision until Labor Day weekend, essentially, and if 201 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: everybody is healthy, then they will thank their lucky stars 202 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: and say, boy, now we have to make hard decisions. 203 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: Maybe some of these guys end up on the practice squad. 204 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: You have the veteran exceptions now, so you can almost 205 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: move guys around. But I do think that they've covered 206 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: themselves to the point where, you know, look, they can 207 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: take a little bit of extra time with Sterling Shepherd 208 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: and Wandell Robinson and not be forced to say, well, 209 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: we think that Wandell is going to be ready for 210 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: the season. If he's ready, great, but you're not gonna 211 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: have to force from there. And I think you know, 212 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: you've got guys like Jameson Crowder here who can be 213 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: in the mix. And look, if Sheppard and Wandell are healthy, 214 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't see Jameson Crowder on the fifty three man roster. 215 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: It'll be tough. 216 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: Could he be on the practice squad? Well, he's a veteran. 217 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: He might want to be here and be a part 218 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: of this. And knowing that, look, if one of these 219 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: guys goes down, I'm right in this offense and I 220 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: have an opportunity. So those are the kind of things 221 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: that I think we may see play out over the summer. 222 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: Right now, they've covered themselves. 223 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: Well, no one's told me this. This is just kind 224 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: of my feel art. I almost kind of feel like 225 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: this is going to be a situation where it's a 226 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: position by committee. And wide receiver, well, I don't think 227 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: we're gonna have every game three wide receivers playing eighty 228 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: to ninety percent of the snaps. I think you're gonna 229 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: see different guys in different positions, in different roles. You know, 230 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: Slayton's gonna play stats as sold as Jalen Hyatt. Right, 231 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: they're both gonna be out there. You mentioned all those 232 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: slot guys that they're healthy. We're seeing Paris Campbell and 233 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: Londo Wabinson ends like, we're seeing all these guys. I 234 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: think you could see five or six wide receivers kind 235 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: of in and out throughout the game, depending on your 236 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: game plan every week. 237 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's no question is what 238 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: Brian Dable and Mike Kafka want to do. I mean, 239 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: you look at Buffalo and the way Buffalo was constructed 240 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: and how Dable constructed that offense up there. You look 241 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: in Kansas City with the way Mike Kafka saw Andy 242 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: Reid's offense work. I mean, there were a lot of 243 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: similarities in terms of even look at Kansas City last 244 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: year and the way they manipulated their receivers around. I mean, 245 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: who was the main guy. And I'm not making the 246 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: comparisons to Travis Kelce with Darren Waller, but the offense 247 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: was kind of built around the tight end position. And 248 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: watch that guy go and create mismatches for everybody. And 249 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: you look at Kansas City. One week, it was juju. 250 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: The next week, you know, Robinson's out there making plays. 251 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even gonna put Kadaris Tony into 252 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: that mix, but he made four or five plays in 253 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: that offense that all of a sudden are game changers. 254 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what you're gonna see 255 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: with the Giants offense. It's going to frustrate a lot 256 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: of fantasy owners. Every week is going to be who 257 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: should I play? Who should I play? But there are 258 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: guys who are going to earn their spot here. Isaiah 259 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Hodgens is won. I mean, there are people you know, 260 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: keep wanting. You know, you're gonna want to force jail 261 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: and high at opportunities and you're gonna want to what 262 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: are we gonna do with this guy or that guy? 263 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: Isaiah Hodgens because of the way he plays and the 264 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 1: trust he has with this coaching staff, He's going to 265 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: be a constant in this offense. Like I could see 266 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: that guy not being the one that's rotated out. I 267 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: could see him on the field because he's just he's 268 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: a good route runner, he has a good sense with 269 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, a good report that. 270 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: The only guy that say about that is Colin Johnson, 271 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: if he's an absolute monster in the summer. He's the 272 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 3: one guy that I think could be interchangeable with Hodgens. 273 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: That is true, But I do think that, you know, 274 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: Colin still has, you know, things to show this summer 275 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: that and we're all working off of how dominant he 276 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: was in training camp last year. He didn't even get 277 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: the show during the regular season of what he's doing. 278 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: So is this just translating against the Giants defense that 279 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: he knows the Giants defense well and makes place. But 280 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 1: I do agree with you. I think Colin Johnson is 281 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: one of those X factors. But he's another guy that 282 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, maybe he ends up on the practice squad everybody, 283 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: he's a call up every week and he's involved in 284 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: the offense. We just have to see. But they definitely 285 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: have set themselves up, almost, like I said, an insurance factor, 286 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: knowing that some of these guys are gonna get hurt. 287 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: Everybody has teams. Every team has guys that get hurt. 288 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: We'll see who's left standing in September. 289 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: Lasting offensively before you switch over to the defense your 290 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: art to me. Aside from obviously the quarterback and waller, 291 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 3: the other most important guy. 292 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: On this offense is Evan Neil. 293 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: I mean he's a guy where he doesn't need to 294 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 3: be Andrew Thomas where he's like you know, on All 295 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: Pro ballots and you know, Pro Bowl consideration be nice, sure, 296 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: but he doesn't have to be that. If he can 297 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: just creep towards middle of the league offensive tackle, that 298 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 3: will go a real long way, especially in this division 299 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 3: against those pass rushes. You know, he's gonna see Michael Parsons, 300 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: You're gonna see a Son Reddick, He's gonna see all 301 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: those players on the Commanders right, Chase Jung go through it, 302 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 3: Josh Swat from the Eagle. So he's got to deal 303 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: with all these guys and if he can just be 304 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: a little bit more consistent, that will allow them to 305 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: utilize all those kind of weapons we talked about, because 306 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: as much as people talk about the interior, for me, 307 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 3: that right typle spot is probably most important. 308 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think Evan Neil. I 309 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: was making a list of you know, for a story, 310 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, the top five guys who can change the season, 311 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: and Evan Neil is right up there. And I do think. 312 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Look what I like about Evan Neil from the moment 313 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: he walked in here is he's got a good head 314 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: on his shoulders. He has an awareness of who he 315 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: is and he doesn't seem to be satisfied with any 316 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: of the positive things that he can do. 317 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: Now. 318 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: There was a lot of negative last year, and it 319 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: seemed like when it started, it just started snowballing. The 320 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: reality is that he seems to have gone to work 321 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: on what didn't work for him last year. He's talked 322 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: about his balance and you know how he can get 323 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: quicker out of his stance. That's why he worked with 324 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, Willie Anderson. Then I'm sure Bobby Johnson was 325 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: influential on that. I hadn't heard. I'm looking forward, you 326 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: know to hearing from Bobby Johnson. But the idea that 327 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: you know, Bobby was talked about, you know, with Evan, 328 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: things to work on. And I just think that I 329 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: think Neil will make that jump this year. I do. 330 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: I think so, I don't know, you know, maybe he's 331 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas in year two. You know that that's the reality. Look, 332 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: he might not be Andrew Thomas. I mean, look, by 333 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: the end of the season, we might be talking about 334 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas as the best left tackle in football. I 335 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: mean you might have that conversation now, correct. So I 336 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: do think that Evan Neil is a big part of 337 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: this team and he needs to be And I think 338 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: this team kind of has embraced Evan Neil a little bit. 339 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: You look at the showing at his camp down and 340 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: flow the essentially the entire offensive line group plus as 341 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: he's o. Jalari went down to Okachobee. I believe his 342 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: hometown is and we're there for Evan Neil. I think 343 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: that says a lot about Evan Neil. You know, some 344 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: people have brought out, you know, Giants fans have nightmares 345 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: about Eric Flowers. This is not an Eric Flowers situation. 346 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: Eric Flowers, in my dealings with him and not many 347 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: personal conversations, but Eric Flowers believed he had it all 348 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: figured out the moment he walked in here. That is 349 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: not the case with Evan Neil. He's willing to work. 350 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: He's willing to work on things that did not go 351 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: well on right Caress And I think, uh, you know, 352 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: I think, look, they're gonna be ups and downs, and 353 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: like you said, you gave the list of guys that 354 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna go up against. You know, guess what You're 355 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: gonna get beat by those guys? 356 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: Sure everyone does, Thomas, does they all do? 357 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 358 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean back in the in the Giants, you know 359 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: the last two Super Bowls. I mean Kareem McKenzie didn't 360 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: put up a zero every day. You know David Deal 361 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: when he was playing right that little right tackle, he 362 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: didn't put up zero. 363 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: I mean DeMarcus Ware. Have you talked to David Deal 364 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: about DeMarcus Ware? Wasn't great all the time? Right? 365 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean that line line as a whole wasn't great 366 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: for in twenty eleven, but they found a way to 367 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: do it. So I do think you hit the nail 368 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: on the head. Evan Neil is a big part of this. 369 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: And do you start the rookie at center? I think 370 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: that is a big That is a big thing that 371 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about once the pads go on. 372 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: All the analysis that we've done for the offensive line 373 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: and defensive lines really to this point have all been projection. 374 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: Do you think, Okay Alldell sneak in one more rapid 375 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: fire and offense? Will Ben Brettison be an offensive line 376 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 3: starter life position? Will he be a starter week one? 377 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: I think that has to do with Joshua Azudu. I 378 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: think if a Zudu takes those steps in the summer, 379 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: works on things in past protection because I thought he 380 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: was very good in the run game. 381 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: I agree when. 382 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: He was healthy and playing well last year. At times 383 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: I think a Zudu will get to that left guard. 384 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: I do know that Bobby Johnson likes Ben Brettison a lot, 385 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: so you know, it's one of those push and pull like, 386 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: how quickly do we give that job to Zudu? Do 387 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: we want to keep Brettison fresh and make him the 388 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: top reserve where and by. 389 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: The way, Brettison is not old. 390 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: And it's funny. I think when they made the trade 391 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: with Baltimore, everyone just buried him and said, oh, he's done. 392 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: He's done, he's done, and he's here now. And you know, 393 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: I think he has a good role on this team. Ideally, 394 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: I think the glamorous lineup, the ones that fans would 395 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: go crazy over, would be a Zudu at left guard 396 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: and obviously Schmid's at center. 397 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 3: Uh. 398 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: Mark Lewinsky is always a name that comes up with 399 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: Giants fans. I know, I'm sure you're here it too. 400 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: The idea of he did not have a great year. 401 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: I always tell everybody he's the starting right guard this year. 402 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: Right right? You know, But do they get to a point, 403 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: would they get to a point where somehow Zudu and 404 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: Brettison are the guards and Glowinski is not in there. 405 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. 406 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: I think we waste to go before. 407 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: I think that would be an in season thing if 408 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 1: if that, But yeah, I mean, as I'm telling you this, 409 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: I think is Zudu eventually would be the left guard. 410 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: But the more I talk about it, they'd probably go 411 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: Brettison to start at left guard and have Schmidts at center, 412 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: just based on what Brettison was able to do last 413 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: year and a Zudu come back from the injury. 414 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: Same page, all right, defense up front, you mentioned adding 415 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: the help in the run defense, right, So I guess 416 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 3: my question is are we going to see the snap 417 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: counts for Dexter and Leonard go way down? Because they 418 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: were up around eighty to eighty five ninety percent most 419 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 3: of these games. Are they they get down to where 420 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 3: we usually see defensive tackles in like the sixty to 421 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: seventy percent area because you have Nacho, you have Ashaan 422 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: Robinson that can step in and you. 423 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: Know, when those guys are off the field. Last year 424 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: it was bad. 425 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, that and that was the thing that I you know, 426 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: for a fact, Giants, Giants, brass in the press box 427 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: watching games would see Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams not 428 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: out there. Whether Leonard Williams was not out there for 429 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: the injury or they had gone for a little bit 430 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: of a rest on the sideline, you just knew. I 431 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: mean they were just gashed. You know, the run defense 432 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: wasn't great when those guys were on the field because 433 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: of other deficiencies, but the fact that they had to 434 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: play a lot of guys very young. You know, Henry Mondeaux, 435 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: he's a practice squad guy. Ryder Anderson was an undrafted 436 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: free agent. I mean, look, I give Roder Anderson a 437 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: lot of credit for the snaps that he was able 438 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: to get on this team last year as an undrafted rookie. 439 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: But you know, it'd be good to take a step 440 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: back from those guys and like you said, you get caught. 441 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: Do you want to take your two best defensive linemen 442 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: off the field. You're not gonna do it for an 443 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: extended period of time. But you also have to know 444 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: your guys. I mean, there was a time last year 445 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,120 Speaker 1: where Dexter Lawrence did hit a little bit of a lull, 446 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean a very small lull in an outstanding All 447 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Pro season, but there was a little lull. So you figure, 448 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: if you're Andre Patterson, and he talked about on Tuesday, 449 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: the idea of sure, of course, I'd like to reduce 450 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: their snaps, because the theory is if you reduce their snaps, 451 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: they're even more effective with the snaps that you give them. 452 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: So I think they got to steal in A'shawn Robinson, 453 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: if he's healthy, if he could stay on the field. 454 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: I know he's been limited in the spring. I believe 455 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: that was calculated. I think that was the plan to 456 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: bring him back, you know, slowly, let him get his 457 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: feet under him, don't push him. Plus, those guys aren't 458 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: banging heads around in the spring. It'll be interesting to 459 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: see those two guys on the field and how they coexist. 460 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: And I asked Dre Patterson that on Tuesday. Can they 461 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: coexist or is this a duplication effort? You know, if 462 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, if I'm if I'm within Martindale boy, if 463 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm going against a running team, I want to see 464 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence and A'shawn Robinson on the field together, and 465 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: then I want to say, Okay, you try to run 466 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: on me. You know, and let's see if you can 467 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: do it. So yeah, in theory, they reduce their snaps. 468 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: I think in opening night against the Cowboys, they're probably 469 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: not taking many plays off. 470 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: Well, you pick your spots on right. 471 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: Thursday night against San Francisco, probably not going to play 472 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: ninety percent of the snaps on defense, or the Arizona 473 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: game before it, that's when their snaps get reduced. 474 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 3: So go, you hit it all right, a few more 475 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: defense here, art. How do you think the Giants gonna 476 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: work their sub packages this year? You know, last year 477 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: we saw like four or five stafeties on the field 478 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 3: at the same time, one linebacker if that sometimes zero linebackers. 479 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: Think we all think, okay, k is gonna be on 480 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: the field all the time, right, so be on that 481 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: and McKinney on the field all the time. How do 482 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 3: you think they're gonna work those third downs where Wink 483 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: you know, gets out the you know, writing pad and 484 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: tries to figure out some crazy stuff. It's gonna be 485 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: a lot of safeties again, or we gonna see a 486 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: second linebacker mostly corners. 487 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: How do you think they're gonna work that this year? 488 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: Very interesting? I think a couple guys are key in 489 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: that whole alignment thing. Deontay Banks, does he develop into 490 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: that CB two where he's the guy on the boundary 491 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: that there's no mixing him matching where he's there, Adore 492 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: he's on the other side, and you're not worrying about, 493 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, moving guys around, because then that frees up 494 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 1: a guy like Nick McLeod, who I think is one 495 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: of the most underrated players on this team, not only 496 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: what he can give in special on special teams, but 497 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: just the versatility. I mean, one of the coaches said 498 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: it the other day, you know, when they were in London. 499 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: They finished the game with Nick McCleod on one side, 500 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: you know, and McLeod was doing it, you know, and 501 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: justin lane. I think on the other side, I think 502 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: Jerome Henderson's. 503 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: Game I forgot about that name. 504 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: He didn't even finish the season with. But Nick McCleod 505 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: is definitely a guy I think works into that that package. 506 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: I think they'll have a heavy package and I think 507 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: they'll have average package. I think you'll see safety packages 508 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: where uh Jason Pennock and UH Dane Belton will be 509 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: on the field with McKinney, and then maybe you throw 510 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: a Nick McCloud in that group. So now you have 511 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: that four, maybe McLeod drops down and plays in the slot. 512 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I think another guy that that's important in this mix 513 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: is Darnay Holmes, and. 514 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw Cordial Flatt in that mix too, because 515 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 3: I think these guys are in a competition to be 516 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: honest with Cordell. 517 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: Cordell and you know what, Darnay's up against it a 518 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: little bit. I know we usually you know, you don't 519 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: want to go in the weeds too much, but Darnay's 520 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: facing on face value, Darnay's facing the same thing that 521 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: Darius Slayton did last year. He played a lot of snaps. 522 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: He got a bump and pay because of the the 523 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: playtime percentages. He's staring at a capheaded I believe around 524 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: two million dollars last I checked. If he's not winning 525 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: that battle with Cordell Flott, it's gonna be a tough 526 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: conversation with Darnay Holmes, who's a respected guy, especially in 527 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: the defensive room. He's friendly with it, friendly with a 528 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of the guys. They they kind of went away 529 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: from Darnay a little bit down to stretch last season. 530 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: Like you said, the sub packages, let's see the way 531 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: they work. So that is definitely something to watch that 532 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: if Cordell Flott can become a guy that they're relying on. 533 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: And again it goes back to Tay Banks. If Banks 534 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: is locking up on the outside, then you're not worried 535 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: about putting flot out there. Now you try to have 536 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: flot win matchups inside. You know, when the Eagles put 537 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: aj Brown in the slot, you want a guy like 538 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: Cordel Flott could be in the slot. You know, you're 539 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: not looking for a smallish guy. He's put on weight. 540 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: I think he looks looks bigger this year. Obviously he's 541 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: not gonna be huge, but I do think Flott is 542 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: a key guy here, and I agree with you. Okaka, 543 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: is there the other guy? I know it's a long answer. 544 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: The other guy in sub packages that I would keep 545 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: an eye on is Darrin Beavers. If he's healthy. I 546 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: think think would love to have him as that secondary 547 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: guy where you know what Darien go you know, blitz 548 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: you know he's doing the blitzing. Okarak is block dropping 549 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: in coverage. Now you feel comfortable enough to have you know, 550 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: you have guys all over the place. You know, you 551 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: have a Z's on one side, Cavan on the other, 552 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: and Darien Beavers is the guy who's blitzing from that 553 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: slot spot, from the place where last year, you know 554 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: you saw Landon Collins make some plays in that spot. 555 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where these sub packages stand 556 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: right now. Just guessing because you know, look, Wink will 557 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: go into his his Monday meetings. I'm trying to remember 558 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: what the m was for his meetings, but I think. 559 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: It was Mayhem Mayhem. 560 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: Meetings on Monday nights where they would just draw everything 561 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: up and you know, try to figure it out. But 562 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where we're looking at. 563 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: I finally one on the defense, then one more before 564 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: we say goodbye. Here art edge players, How do you 565 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: what do you think the Jari Thibodeaux combo might looked 566 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 3: like this year? You know, it was all you didn't 567 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: playout last year, but when he did, he was really 568 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: effective and and and Thibodeau came on at the end 569 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: of the season. 570 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: If you well know, it is amazing that this team, Uh, 571 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: they looked at the roster, they assessed every position, and 572 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with it. They looked at edge and 573 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: they said, Yeah, we like what we're good this year. 574 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: The cave on Diz's. They brought back Hattie, they brought 575 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: back O'Shane and O'Shane. 576 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: Zimony the way to Fox. 577 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and Haba who is the rookie. You know, 578 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna but I think this is a 579 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: big year for disease. I think that's obvious. But physically 580 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: I think, you know, you remember last year he worked 581 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: so hard in the month between the spring and training 582 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: camp and came back and started on pomp because he, 583 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, his lower body he was having soft tissue 584 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: issues because he was just pushing so hard. I would 585 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: take Darn Waller and Azizo Jalari, put them in the 586 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: same room, have fits go in there and just basically 587 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: tell them, look, this is what you're doing the next month. 588 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: We are not having you come back for training camp 589 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: with soft tissue stuff. Yeah, because I think that's kind 590 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: of where it is. But you know, I asked yesterday 591 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: yesterday on Tuesday, I asked Drew Wilkins, the outside linebackers coach, 592 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: you know you already have one player on this defense 593 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: that opponents are gearing towards. That's obviously Dexter Lawrence. How 594 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: close is Cavon to becoming that guy? And I'm not 595 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: saying that he's gonna be an all pro, But can 596 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: Cavon get consistent enough within his skill set to be 597 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: the guy that we got to watch out for? That 598 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: game wrecker? There have been moments, we've all seen them. 599 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: Can Cavon be consistent enough this year where he's making 600 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: those plays to force defenses to send focus towards him? 601 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: They did it some last year. I think that is 602 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: a huge key for that edge group. But it starts 603 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: with Kavon and diseases, health and everything else kind of 604 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: supplements off of that all. 605 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: Right, final one. We loved it for last he fans 606 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 3: the tirdy hearing about it. When all said and done, 607 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: what does this thing look like with Saquon? 608 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: I think one think they. I think he's here. I 609 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: think he gets they get a deal on July seventeenth. 610 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: I think uh, long term, long term, yep, I think 611 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: it'll probably sit right around those numbers that have all 612 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: been bandied about where those numbers are coming from. I 613 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: still debate whether you know Saquon believes it's the Giants. Uh, 614 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: there are people who believe it's coming from Saquon's people, 615 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: not directly from Saquon, but it's out there. I think 616 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: the guarantees will be a little bit above or right 617 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: at what it would be if he got back to 618 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: back franchise tags, which is around twenty two million dollars. 619 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: I think one of the sticking points is probably to 620 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: have that twenty two million dollars paid out over the 621 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: first two years, because if you franchise tag him for 622 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: two years in a row, he gets that twenty two million. 623 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: If you now want to spread that twenty two million 624 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: cash value over a four year contract, then he's not 625 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: seeing that money until later. So I think maybe that's 626 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: one Now. 627 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: Obviously, Cap figures you can spread it out as long 628 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: as the cash poet. 629 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: That's why. Yeah, that obviously, that's why I say cash 630 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: not CAP. I think obviously the Giants want a longer 631 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: term deal to spread the Cap hits out exactly. But 632 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: I think Joe Shane ultimately will give a little and 633 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: I think Sakwan will have to give more than that 634 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: his representatives in order to get a deal done. I 635 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: think ultimately it makes too much sense. He can't sit 636 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: out this season. It's just not possible, and I don't 637 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: think the Giants will will move much. I think they'll 638 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: move some, but I don't think they're all of a 639 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: sudden offer him fifteen million dollars a year and say, Sekon, 640 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: you're right, we didn't respect you, we want you here. 641 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: I think they were very calculated. You listen to Brandon 642 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: Brown and what he talked about the other day, how 643 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: their approach to every free agent, and not just the 644 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: guys outside the building, but inside the building. You know 645 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: they've taken their time. I mean, Joe Shane has shown 646 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: in his year and change as a general manager is 647 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: that he's pretty meticulous in terms of what the values 648 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: he sets for the players. That he knows the team needs. 649 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: Position value matters. We've talked about that at nauseum, right. 650 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: And I do think that ultimately they will come to 651 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: a deal because I believe the Giants are not looking 652 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: to force Saquon Barkley out of the building. They want 653 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: him here. I think Saquon wants to be here, and 654 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: I think ultimately they'll each give a little Saquon, maybe 655 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: more than the Giants, and I think he will be here. 656 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: Does it linger into training camp? I just don't know 657 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: if that's what Saquon wants. I don't know if he 658 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: wants that. I think he wants to be here. I 659 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: think it was evidence that he went with his guys 660 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: out to Arizona. I think he's gonna train with Daniel 661 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: Jones in the next couple of weeks when they get 662 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: back on the field, So I think he's here. I 663 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: don't buy the doom and gloom. I've seen enough of 664 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: these contract negotiations. Twenty fifteen, Eli Manning there was decided, 665 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: you know. Eli felt he had to come out and 666 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 1: say he didn't want to be the highest paid player 667 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: in the league as quarterback, and then he signed it. 668 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: John Mara coming out telling JPP to come home. I mean, 669 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: all these things that I remember, and the one final 670 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: thing about Saquon and whatever bad blood might be with 671 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: the Giants. John, you remember Ocuman Euro I mean essentially 672 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: called the general manager of the Giants, Jerry Reyes a 673 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: liar in legal papers. OCE's retirement press conference, they laughed 674 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: about it. They left Osi retired a giant. He came here. 675 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: He's a legend in this building. He can walk in 676 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: anytime he wants to come over from London. I think 677 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: ultimately Saquon will come back. I think the feelings will 678 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: be will be fine, and they'll go out and he'll 679 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: try to be the Saquon that he believes he is 680 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: and the Giants believe that he can be. So that's 681 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: where it's at. Could I be surprised, sure, but I 682 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 1: think ultimately, I think that's where it's gonna end up. 683 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: Art, good stuff. Thanks Sean, Art Jableton from the record. 684 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 2: I'll tell me about your podcast, by the way. 685 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: A podcast all In with Art Stapleton. You have been 686 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: a guest several times. 687 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: Uh. 688 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: We did an interview with Darren Waller on Tuesday after practice. 689 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: Uh. 690 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: To me, it was not just about what he can 691 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: be on the field, but who he is off the field. 692 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: Check it out on all your favorite podcast platforms. I 693 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: really enjoyed doing it. It was our hundredth episode. Oh nice, 694 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: so uh it was. It was cool and Waller was 695 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: a great interview. 696 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: So check it out all right, everybody, thanks for being 697 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: with us. Thank you to Art, and we'll see you 698 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: next time in the Giants Tuttle podcast.