WEBVTT - Real People Don't Act Like That 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.200 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:10.320 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:12.560 Arm Strong and he. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:22.480 Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:28.280 But pardon me that, Advice President. The question was, how 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:29.840 are you going to pay for it? 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.480 Well, one of the things I'm going to make sure 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.520 that the richest among us who can afford it, pay 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.640 their fair share in taxes. It is not right that 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.160 teachers and nurses and firefighters are paying a higher tax 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.200 rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.760 And I plan on making that fair. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.159 But we're dealing with the real world here. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.200 But the real world includes how are you going to 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:59.000 get this to Congress? You know, when you talk quietly 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.240 with a lot of folks in cong they know exactly 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.480 what I'm talking about because their constituents though exactly what 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.479 I'm talking about. Their constituents are those firefighters and teachers 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.840 and nurses. Their constituents are middle class, hardworking folks. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:15.600 That was one of the few times last night that 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.480 I was bothered by because I thought the sixty minutes 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.920 was more aggressive than I was expecting to them be 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.399 more follow ups. But I wish instead of accepting her 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.600 BS line and acting like, well, the reason that's BS 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:30.160 is because you couldn't get it through Congress. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.400 No, the reason it's BS is because it's BS. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.520 It's BS that the rich pay more than their fair share, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.160 and it's ridiculous to keep leaning on that as the 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.960 answer to our fiscal problems. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.200 Also from the Department of Populist clap traps, she said 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:53.400 billionaires in America's great corporations. Everybody into corporations pays taxes, 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.600 and raising corporate taxes makes goods more expensive, it cuts 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.160 down on investment, it hurts your furrow. One it comes 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:03.600 out of the paychecks of the people who work there. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.360 A corporation is just a collection of humans. Well, so 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:08.400 that's such a dog. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.800 And what she said about when you talk to people 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.800 in Congress, you know, in private, it's the opposite of 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.959 what she said. You talk to people in Congress in private, 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.520 and they would say, well, yeah, we can't, We're not 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.480 gonna raise taxes on corporations or you know, try to 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.320 figure out how to tax unrealized gains because it would 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.400 doom the economy. But this plays well in public. So 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.680 I'm willing to go on stage and say originally to 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.080 pay the fair share, because it polls well. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.959 Those who have been blessed the most, who have disproportionately 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.600 attracted by whatever skill, more and more from the national wealth, 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.680 they're gonna have to share more of that. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.680 That is one of the worst utterances in the history 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:53.919 of American politics. The former governor of California Jerry Brown, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.760 suggesting that if you are, for instance, a successful entrepreneur, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.400 you build a small business, you employee dozens of people, 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.760 you feed your clothes, you medicate them, You put out 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:05.840 products that people. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.160 Want to buy, and they buy them from you. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.840 You've extracted from the public wealth. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.320 Right, you took something from someone else, it would be 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.880 their money if you hadn't taken it, Which is as 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.079 illiterate economically as you could possibly get. 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.359 Carl Marx wandered away from that, muttering. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.840 That's not how it works, dude, that's unbelievable anyway. So 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.040 we could certainly torture your ears with more kamm la 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.480 on sixty minutes and mean, we may on and off 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.480 throughout the show, But that actually leads rather beautifully to 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.520 a new study that came across about income inequality. And 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.960 I found it really interesting. I hope you do too. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.880 It's you know, the concept of income inequality just drives 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.720 so much of our politics these days, and it's so 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.680 frustrating if you understand how economies actually work to listen 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:53.920 to it. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.480 But I really ought to be used to it at 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.680 this point in my life. So there's a. 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.440 Big study from the National Bureau of Economic Research from 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.520 the Federal Reserve Bank of Saint Louis, Vanderbilt University, Princeton. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.320 I mean, this is a big, big, you know, the 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.720 high Class study. It used a rich vein of survey 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.600 data tracking individuals far back as nineteen seventy nine. They 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:18.920 found that a major determinant hello again that word is 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:25.080 determinant of total lifetime hours worked is individual choice. Oh, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.520 I'm sorry, I kind of started in the middle. I 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.360 skipped a part i apology. The more you work over 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:36.400 your lifetime, the more you earn. Now, so far, so 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.960 obvious as they write, but the surprises lurk, and an 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.159 explanation that's more complex than you'd think. They found that 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.600 a major determinant of total lifetime hours worked is individual choice. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:46.400 Some people just. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.279 Prefer to work more, while others might prioritize other activities. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.599 But it's not just that they worked more. The paper 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.080 finds that those who work more earn more because they 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.560 accumulate more skills during the extra time they work. The 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.719 overlapping effects of different preferences for work and different levels 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.200 of skill acquisition account for a hefty share of overall 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.960 differences in lifetime earnings, and it seems to operate independently 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.640 of other factors like level of education or skills, or 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.840 how much money you had before you entered the labor force. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.520 In other words, income inequality is in part a matter 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.960 of choice rather than an intractable economic or social force. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.760 Sorry, socialists, well, trying to make that fly in a 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.560 populous era, even if it's true. But it's always these 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.279 sort of things are just tough for me because of 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:37.960 our career or what do we do for a living. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.599 I just it's such a not regular job. I always 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.719 have to try to picture a regular job because I 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.679 can work more hours. I'm not picking up any skills. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.119 I mean, I got no skills. I started with no skills. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.840 I've gained no skills. I could do two radio shows 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.520 a day. I still have no skills. But so for 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.159 regular jobs, though you put in more hours and you 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:56.200 pick up more skills. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.880 And that's where become more useful, of course, of right 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:04.000 different ways well, and honestly, if you were to put 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.360 in another ten hours per week and devote it to 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.359 learning video editing, we might be able to have a 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.400 more robust video presence on YouTube or something like that. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.440 But anyway, the other thing that bothers me about some 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.640 of the income inequality analysis is that it frequently casts 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.480 people who've made deliberate and to me completely defensible decisions 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:32.320 as somehow victims. Right, I mean, the obvious thing would 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.599 be a woman who decides I'm not going to bust 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.040 my ass to be a big law lawyer and work 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.440 seventy hours a week. I want to be a mom 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.920 and I'm going to practice law, but on my terms 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.440 because I think my life will be a better life, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.400 more satisfying service to God. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.240 However, you define a good. 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.800 Life if I don't entirely devote my energies to making 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:59.520 more money, And that woman is frequently portrayed as a 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.279 victim of something when I, personally, for what it's worth, 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.760 thinks she's made a brilliant decision. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.200 Right, or even maybe slightly more subtle as somebody who's 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.200 moved around the country and I often think about the decisions, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.800 those decisions and how they affected my life and my kids' 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.200 lives and that sort of stuff. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.840 It's been good for me career wise. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.360 But so if I had made the decision, you know, 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:25.920 I'm going to stay in the area where all my 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:28.520 family is, so I have the close family ties and 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.360 all the fun stuff that comes with that, I'd be 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.280 making a lot less money. That's not I wouldn't be 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.360 a victim of something. I chose a different lifestyle that 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:37.679 maybe would have been better. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.160 Yeah, yeah, I agree completely. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.880 I have a close relative whose point of view is 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.000 I will make enough to get by, and I will 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.400 spend the rest of my time exploring art and nature. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.640 And friends and whatever else. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.320 That was not my priority really as a young man, 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.520 partly because I was raising kids and everything, like I'd 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.760 better build an s egg because I was terrified all 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.880 the time of letting my family down. But again, it's 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.040 not a question of victimhood. It is a question, over 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.480 and over and over again, of choices. But you know, 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.160 it's so easy to throw back self righteously. Oh so 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.920 people are choosing to be poor, The white man says, 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.520 they're choosing to be Okay, right, and you lose, you're 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:25.320 done at that. So I'm not bragging on this, I 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.280 swear I'm not. It's just the way I made when 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.160 I was taking econ classes back in college, which was 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.720 roughly the horse was just giving way to the motor car. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.000 You did all your problems on an abacus. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:42.840 Yeah, there were lessons in principles that the professors would 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.880 teach us that I was sitting. 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.080 I would more than once. 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.199 I sat there thinking real people don't act like that. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.280 It's not like I knew more than them, and I 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.440 didn't form up some revolutionary theory of economics or I 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:59.280 just went off chasing girls and drinking beer. But anyway, 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.680 I I thought this was so interesting. The economics of 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:08.080 identity is a growing field. A Nobel Prize winning economist, 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:13.880 a couple of guys you've never heard of, were I 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.280 came up with this principle that identity may be the 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.640 most important economic decision people make. How you view your 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.520 role in the world will affect your choices. Yet even 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:29.520 the great economic thinkers of academic history, you know, economics 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:35.640 in general, had not incorporated identity into a formal economic model. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:41.240 Sociologists and psychologists, they spent half their time about you 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.160 know your self image, what image you want to project 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.959 to others, you know what groups you're part of, as 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:53.520 being like incredibly important. But economics had ignored it, and 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.199 they talk about being a Trump voter, Harris voter. It's 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.640 an expression of identity that goes along with many other 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.439 expressions from the car you drive to the clothes you wear, 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.120 and it's it's there's a lot of social pressure in it. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.920 And he mentions the two economists who came up with 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:12.560 this idea, your identity can be buttressed, threatened, changed, or 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.640 influenced by others, not merely by your own preferences and 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:20.000 decisions that who am I, how do I want others 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:20.400 to see me? 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.559 And who are we? 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:27.120 So these two economists, for instance, talked about how being 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:31.720 an academic economist is a social category and among the 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:36.079 prescriptions for academic economists might include owning a practical car, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:41.880 wearing comfortable shoes, and living a certain I'm an academic 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.120 economist lifestyle. And if you were to run out and 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.720 buy a Porsche or a pair of five hundred dollars 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.320 loafers or something like that, not only would it cause 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.720 a real economist to feel bad, but you'd immediately be 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:55.720 scorned and mocked by your colleagues. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.560 Wow, so you're supposed to be in a Honda accord 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.040 and where where you know something you got at the mall, 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.320 at the walking store that that that fits in with 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:06.600 the whole identity thing. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:08.839 Yeah, a couple other examples. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.480 Uh So, this model posits that individuals gain from both 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.880 material outcomes and actions that conform to their identities. In 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.760 the labor market, workers are motivated by wages as well 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.640 as by how well their jobs aligned with their identity. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.960 A corporate job might offer financial stability, but if it 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:29.000 conflicts with an individual's identity as an environmentalist, for instance, 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.959 or an iconoclastic artist or whatever, that's mismatch can lead 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:38.520 to dissatisfication, dissatisfaction, and underperformance. In this vein, trying to 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:44.000 train coal miners to be nurses may be futile. And 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.120 there's there's a great deal more to this. I love 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.720 to draw on and on about this stuff. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:48.120 Yeah. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.480 That that's that's damned interesting. That is not thought about enough. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:56.160 Whenever I hear, you know, teaching coal miners to code 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.720 or whatever that politicians throw around, that sort of stuff. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:03.199 I know enough working class people in in my life. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.319 That what an identity that is? This is this is 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.040 who I am. I'm a farmer, I'm a you know. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.120 I I work with my hands. I work outside to 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.599 do whatever I would. I would hang myself before I 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:16.960 would sit in an office in code all day long. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.280 So the idea that I mean, because of the identity 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.520 stuff you're talking about, this is not just just to 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.480 make a living. This is who I am, this is 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.280 what This is what I projected the world. This is 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.199 what I want to project to my family and friends. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.360 Thanks Matt, Jack, you hit me with one of the 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.000 best examples of this I've ever heard. Michael's getting nervous 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:37.880 because we need to take a break. I'll keep it short. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.480 But at one point we were talking about the concept 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.040 of keeping it real, how athletes and rappers and all 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.480 they they got to act like they're still of the 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.240 hood or what have you. And and it's an interesting 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.480 topic because sometimes it hurts you in your life or 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.920 your earning capabilities or whatever. But at one point I'd 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.840 mentioned to Jack that I had always done my own 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:06.480 yard work, gardening, mowing, trimming, blowing, all of it because 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.679 I couldn't stand the idea of me being the guy 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.840 who hires a gardener, and you said, you're keeping it 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.600 real right for your people, that's exactly Yeah, yeah, we 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.480 don't have servants. And finally, the yard was just too 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.000 peg and I would have spend all my time doing 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:22.719 it and I would have neglected my children. So I 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.880 hired a guy for you know, much less than it 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.320 would have cost me in my life. But yeah, that 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.280 concept of keeping it real, your self image, your identitybody, 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.000 it would affect your economic decisions. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.560 It's enormous. It was completely missing from economics. Yeah, it's 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.600 the way we're built. Interesting. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.560 I want to talk about the Nobel Prize in uh 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.600 that came out today, and also an overview of the polling, 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.040 not in individual polls or anything like that that I 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.600 guarantee you will find interesting. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.400 All on the way. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.000 Well, listen to this McDonald's issuing major beef producers for 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.360 allegedly conspiring to limit their supplies. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:03.040 Meanwhile, Arby's is like this does affect us? Wow? Wow? 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.560 What is it? It just doesn't affect us? What is it? 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.199 What the late night guys war on Arby's on a 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.000 fine meat he sandwich purveyor. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:16.320 I don't know. I don't know, I don't get it. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.040 I've enjoyed many delicious sandwich at Arby's. I agree. 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:25.480 So the Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded to a 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:30.240 couple of scientists working on AI, John Hopfield and Jeffrey Hinton, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.240 who we've talked about before, who's often considered the godfather 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.360 of AI or something like that, have showed a completely 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.880 new way for us to use computers to aid and 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.560 guide us in solving problems. The committee said, I felt 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.040 like this is the sort of thing that's going to 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.520 be looked back on years from now, kind of like Oppenheimer, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.880 you know, cracking the code for making a bomb. Oh, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:55.640 what a breakthrough for mankind nuclear energy. Look everybody, and yeah, 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:57.760 they have showed a completely new way for us to 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.360 use computers to guide and tackle me any of the 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.320 challenges society faces. Machine learning based on the human brain 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:09.760 is currently revolutionary, revolutionizing science, engineering, and daily life. Yeah, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.280 it's the daily life part of it. I think that 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.200 most of us are worried about and like it might 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:19.360 render the need to work completely. You know, they will 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.760 go away, and it will restructure society in a way 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.440 that has never even been considered in the history of mankind, 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:28.200 but yeah, good for you. In the Nobel Price, I 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.520 just saw it really downplayed the significance of what this 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.040 could be. So I don't know, And it was all 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.040 cheery talk. That's what seemed to her to me. It 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.400 was just all happy cheery. Isn't this great? 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.080 If only we could find a wise and beneficent, magnificent 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:51.680 philosopher king who could judge will this overall would be 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.880 a good thing or a bad thing? Because I'm not 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:55.880 sure Cherry's still out. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:59.760 How much time I got, Michael? Maybe four months with 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.880 the Yeah, no, you got about a minute. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.240 It's not really long enough. We do this all the time, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.440 starting to really drive me crazy. The stuff I most 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.400 want to talk about we leave no time for. How 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:10.680 do we fix that problem? 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:11.800 Is it fix them alone? 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:12.640 Yeah? 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.560 Sure, I don't think it is. We've been doing this 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.320 for the next years. We get there years. There's no 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.280 way we can current correct our mistake. You need to 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.320 leave behind your preconceptions, man, old dog new tricks doesn't work. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.920 Just do what you want to do. Had no time, yes, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:30.600 time for this. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:35.400 You brought up nuclear power. We are It's like most 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.920 people don't want to think about death. Iran is working 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.040 as hard as it can to get the atomic bomb 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.560 as quickly as it can, and it's run by Islamic 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:43.800 lunatics l l L. 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.040 Nobody wants to talk about it or do anything about it. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.000 The Secretary of State set himself that there are a 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:52.280 couple of weeks from breakout. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.080 If they decide they want to do it, a couple 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:54.680 of weeks. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.760 If we're and decide, go let's get a nuclear weapon, 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.280 it would take them a couple of weeks to have 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.000 a nuclear weapon. 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:01.000 Not amazing. 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.119 And if old weird Beard decides to end the Jews, 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:05.479 he's got the power to do it. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.680 Good Lord, hold weird. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.920 Beard Armstrong and getdy. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:19.880 A quarter of registered voters still say they don't know you. 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.199 They don't know what makes you tick, and why do 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.719 you think that is what's the disconnect. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:32.480 It's an election bill, and I take it seriously that 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.240 I have to earn everyone's vote. This is an election 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.760 for president of the United States. No one should be 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.000 able to take for granted that they can just declare 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.840 themselves a candidate and automatically receive support. 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:45.600 You have to earn it. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:47.280 And that's what I intend to do. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.480 That I don't I wish I could put my finger 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:55.120 on why her answers bother me so much, but they do. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:00.960 Her tone of voice is this is obvious, it's simple 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:02.359 and very impressive. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.520 When it's never any of those, No, it is not, 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:13.360 it's it's usually trite. It's no selection bill. What nobody 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.240 knows what you believe? Like you don't have any You've. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.879 Got to earn the votes. What what? 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.320 But the question was, why do there's a court or 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:23.760 why do a court of the people say they don't 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:24.399 know who you are. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.800 So you haven't earned them yet? Is that what you're saying? 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.359 Is I wish she was trying to say anyway, I 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.919 want to get to this overarching polling stuff, which I 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:34.440 think you will find interesting. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.159 I really do. But here's a little more. He followed 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:37.600 up on that. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.000 Tell you what your critics and the column this say. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.679 Okay, they say, the reason so many voters don't know 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.720 you is that you have changed your position on so 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:49.520 many things. 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.119 You are against fracking, now you're for it. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.200 You supported looser immigration policies, now you're tightening them up. 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.640 You're for medicare for all now you're not so many 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:06.480 that people don't truly know what you believe or what 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.439 you stand for, and I know you've heard that. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.680 In the last four years, I have been Vice president 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.520 of the United States, and I have been traveling our country 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.840 and I have been listening to folks and seeking what 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.240 is possible in terms of common ground. 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.400 I believe in building consensus. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.719 We are diverse people geographically regionally. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.640 In terms of where we are in our backgrounds, and 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.879 what the American people do want is that we have 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.800 leaders who can build consensus where we can figure out 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.120 compromise and understand it's not a bad thing as long 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:46.000 as you don't compromise your values to fine common sense solutions. 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.560 And that has been my approach. 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:55.560 She's completely full of crap. And I think you're supposed 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.480 to call her a mid brain these days. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:58.160 Oh, I don't know that. 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.240 I mean, yeah, yeah, they're just there's so many ways 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.119 she could answered that question more skillfully and. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.440 She knows words. Yeah, I don't know. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.040 That's a tough one to answer because you flip flopped 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.440 one hundred and eighty degrees on like six major topics. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.280 Well, then think she's a midbrain. Is she was onto 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.280 something there? The idea that hey, we've got to reach 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.000 consensus and compromise and she could have said, Look, as 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.199 a senator, I'm one of a hundred, and I was 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.960 advocating for a particular point of view. But I'm running 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.800 to be the president of all Americans, so yeah, I'm not. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.240 I'm going to try to find ways to bring the 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.320 sides together. So yeah, if I sound more moderate now, 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:45.080 it's because I want to be a moderate present it's 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.760 an election. Bill, you know what, given how stupid politics 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.320 is r am you know, her rambling nonsense answer, maybe 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:55.160 that's a better one. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.680 I don't know. Selection of our lifetime. 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.720 I was pretty happy with sixty minutes Bill Whitaker. There 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.439 are a couple of times that I really like he 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.560 accepted her answer in a way that I really hated. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:07.679 But he did the what Tim Russer used to do 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.760 on Meet the Press. You follow up and then like 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.119 basically the second time they do their non answer, you 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.280