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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Emily Abadi here. You are listening to episode

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Speaker 2: two hundred and forty one of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast.

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Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts

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Speaker 2: and industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and

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Speaker 2: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,

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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you

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Speaker 2: you can stride towards your own big potential and of

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Speaker 2: number two forty one, I am chatting with Katie hoff Anderson, who,

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Speaker 2: at just fifteen years old, made her first Olympic team

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Speaker 2: Once Tales as the female Michael Phelps. She withstood so

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Speaker 2: lessons learned on what it takes to succeed and power

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Speaker 2: through bitter disappointment as an eight time world champion and

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Speaker 2: all before retiring. In today's episode, we talk about the

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Speaker 2: importance of mental health, something that she says wasn't really

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Speaker 2: She also talks about transitioning out of being a full

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Speaker 2: time athlete and what that has looked like run a

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Speaker 2: alongside companies like the Lash Lounge, and what it means

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Speaker 2: to have a relentless spirit. Such a oh Man, such

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Speaker 2: a good conversation here, So happy to bring it to

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Speaker 2: the feed. Appreciate Katie's transparency and honesty, and also after

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Speaker 2: this combo, I was super inspired to go grab her book.

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Speaker 3: It's called Blueprint. I'm going to link to it in

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Speaker 3: Let's get it to a hurdling today.

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Speaker 2: I am chatting with Katie hoff Anderson. She is a

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Speaker 2: two time Olympian, a three time medalist, an eight time

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Speaker 3: How are you doing, Katie?

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Speaker 1: I'm great, How are you? Thanks for having me?

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you here today, three days ago,

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Speaker 1: That is the hope. I hope. I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: So we're hoping, we're hoping that the ten moves in

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, ten moves in ten years. I can't

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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. A variety of different things, which is

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Speaker 2: two thousand and five World Championships, three more in two

437
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, and then on to Beijing. So once

438
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Speaker 2: you get to Beijing, are you going into this with

439
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: the mindset like this is my time?

440
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I kind of went on a revenge

441
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: tour after two thousand and four, and I've just had

442
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Speaker 1: this moment of like I can go this way and

443
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: be done, or I can show that, you know, this

444
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: meet was just not a fluke and I'm here to stay.

445
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: And I obviously went on that I'm here to stay

446
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do this. And so I mean,

447
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: from that, from oh four to eight, I felt like

448
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: I could do no wrong. Like I just had such momentum,

449
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and I was you know, breaking American records and world records,

450
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: and it just felt like all the stars were aligning.

451
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean, oh eight, very much in

452
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: my mind was like here's where I you know, here's

453
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Speaker 1: where I do it.

454
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 3: Right.

455
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: I've done everything that up until this point of you know,

456
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: American it's kind of like your world championship, gold medal,

457
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: American record, world record, those are kind of all the

458
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: boxes to check. And then at the same time, obviously,

459
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: because I was swimming so many events, the comparisons to

460
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: Michael Phelps were inevitable, especially because we both were repped

461
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: by Speedo and we both you know, were young at

462
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: fifteen when we made our first Olympics, same club team.

463
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: So there was like, good job media, Like it's not that,

464
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: it's not that creative to make these comparisons, but it's

465
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: certainly added about, you know, a thousand pounds of expectations

466
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: on my shoulders when I hadn't even one one Olympic

467
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: medal heading into two thousand and eight.

468
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just sitting here thinking, like trying and put

469
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: myself in your shoes and thinking about what would be

470
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: for me, like a deep desire just for people to

471
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: refer to me as me, not to discredit, Like how

472
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: cool it could be to compare be compared to Michael

473
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: Phelps briefly, But the like expectation and nature of that

474
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: just gives me anxiety sitting where I am.

475
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh yeah, I mean and again like you're

476
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: when you when you're in it and things are swirling,

477
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: you don't even realize you're just kind of like in

478
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: survival mode. And so I remember when the comparisons started happening,

479
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: and I just thought, oh my gosh, like I'm not

480
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: ecal medals, I'm not going in ranked you know, first

481
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: in all my events. And I remember I had traded

482
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: the world record back and forth with Stephanie Rice, the

483
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: Australian actually so a good friend of mine, and just thinking,

484
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, even if I have some of my best swims,

485
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: which I just had an insane Olympic Trials at won

486
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: five events. Like I was still I still felt the

487
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: weight of the world on my shoulders because obviously you're

488
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: doing interviews and I only could control what I could control.

489
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: But I just remember feeling like this feeling and pit

490
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: of my stomach. The closer we got, right and after

491
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: you make the team, they do a better job of this.

492
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: Now you actually get to go home and spend time

493
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: with your you know, your club team and all that.

494
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: But at the time you literally like send a box

495
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 1: of clothes to training camp because you go straight from

496
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: Olympic Trials. It's an eight day meet. It's grueling, it's

497
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: it's the United States. So you have to be, i mean,

498
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 1: on your a game to make the team, and you

499
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 1: just go immediately into training camp, which is in California,

500
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: so there's no break there. And I just remember, you know,

501
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: we have I'm like, all right, we have what forty

502
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: three days till the games. Each day they got closer.

503
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: It was just like there was like a you know,

504
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: twisting and just kept twisting tighter and tighter, you know,

505
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: until day one of the games.

506
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you feel as though when you didn't

507
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: win the gold and the four hundred free and you

508
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: then you know, there's it takes two world records to

509
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: beat what is your original four hundred individual medley like

510
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 2: it for you? Did you feel like that was worse

511
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: because of all these comparisons that have been made between

512
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: you and Phelps.

513
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? You know, I actually I'll share this.

514
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: I have the video. I will probably never post it,

515
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: but you know, you look at how athletes are celebrated

516
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: right now. Right if someone who's coming up and they

517
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: don't have you know, phelpsy and expectations on them, they

518
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: win a silver medal and they're celebrated, and people are like,

519
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: they want to medal in general, and they're celebrated, right

520
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: And I had this moment during the last Olympics where

521
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: I started crying because I was watching these athletes be

522
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: celebrated and they were excited, they were hugging because they

523
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: want to medal for their country. And I never got

524
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: that feeling because it it's like, well, yeah, if you're

525
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: expect to win ecle medals, winning three medals isn't you know,

526
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: a success. But I just had I just felt like Wow,

527
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, and maybe it's just where I'm

528
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: at and my you know, my perspective, but I felt

529
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: like athletes who were just winning medals and maybe it

530
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: wasn't gold were really being celebrated, and I was like, wow,

531
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: that's so cool, because it gives me chills to talk about,

532
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: like it's so cool. But when I look back on

533
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: the experience, it was actually a really good meat for me.

534
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: You know, the Fountre I AM was like half a

535
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: second off my best time ever, which was, like you said,

536
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: the world record at the trials, and just on that day, right,

537
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: two women went faster, the foreigner free. You know, I

538
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: got touched out, but you know it was that was

539
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: probably the one that wasn't my best race. But I

540
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: actually wasn't the favorite in that race at all. It

541
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: was definitely the forunton i AM broke the American record

542
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: and the tu undred three fast time ever by American.

543
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Three people happened to go faster anchored the relay, the

544
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: fastest split ever by an American, and again like we

545
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: broke the road record, but two other teams did too,

546
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: So just I mean, there's just so many instances where

547
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I just kept in every race. I just kept getting

548
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: pummeled by the media, Like we call it the mixed zone.

549
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: So when you get out of the pool, first of all,

550
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: you like can't breathe, like dying, and you have to

551
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: go through this little maze where like all the media

552
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: from all over the world is and it just I

553
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: just kept getting like, what happened? What happened? Are you upset?

554
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: You know? And like I just you know, especially the

555
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: day one, like I just won my first Olympic medal,

556
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: I overcame what happened in oh four and so looking back,

557
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm like, I actually, you know, I

558
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: actually had like a really successful meat and it was

559
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: just how it was painted in the media, which is

560
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: why I get extremely passionate when I anytime someone negative

561
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: is like Mikaela Schiffrin, when that was going down in

562
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: the Olympics, I was so fired up because I'm like,

563
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: you can't A, it's one day, like she has so

564
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: many other accomplishments, and b it's still winning medals, you know.

565
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just how how things are are portrayed,

566
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: and and that's just kind of the way it is.

567
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're so entitled to all of those feelings, right,

568
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: Like you're entitled to have frustration. And it's also just

569
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: so impressive now to hear you speak on, you know,

570
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: what had happened at that Olympics and have so much

571
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: perspective on it, because you could have made the choice

572
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: to move forward with one perspective, one view on it.

573
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: But since then, having had time to reflect on it,

574
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: maybe now more so would you say today you're more

575
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: proud than you were back then.

576
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: Oh one thousand percent. I mean, I couldn't even I

577
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: couldn't even really I didn't want to even pull out

578
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: my medals for like four or five years, Like you

579
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: will be like, oh my god, like I want to

580
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: see your medals, and I would always be like, yeah, here,

581
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: you know. I mean. And the first time I actually

582
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: admitted that publicly was I did a ted X talk

583
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and I was like, do I let

584
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: it rip? Like, do I see? You know? I was

585
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: always didn't know what people would think because to your

586
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: point of you know, obviously, winning Olympic medals is amazing,

587
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: but when you're when you're framed in the light of

588
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: it should be eight goal medals or five goal medals.

589
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: It's not seen as successful or I felt guilty about

590
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: feeling that way, and so I just said it and

591
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: ripped the band aid. And I think that was really

592
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: a pivotal point in my life because one it was

593
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: received so well because I was so raw and so vulnerable,

594
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: and two it just kind of allowed me to, like

595
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: I said, throw it up, get it out there. And

596
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: it was just this moment of you know, obviously, we'll

597
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: always like if when you set a goal and you

598
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: don't get there, right, I always I always going to

599
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: have that little feeling of like, ugh, like I didn't

600
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: get that gold medal. But at the same time, I

601
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: have much more of an appreciation of what it takes

602
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: to even get to the Olympics, let alone win a medal,

603
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: and so it's you know, it's it's a process and

604
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: it's always going to be one. But I think at

605
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: this moment, yes, like I normally, if I hadn't just moved,

606
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: you'd have you see the metals behind me. So I

607
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: definitely have more of more pride than ever.

608
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: I love to hear that you mentioned your ted X talk.

609
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: The talk itself called finding your Relentless Spirit? What is

610
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: your relentless spirit?

611
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: The cool thing about your relentless spirit is different for everybody,

612
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: And so for me, it's just the ability to keep

613
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: battling and keep fighting and keep moving forward no matter what.

614
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: I have this thing called your do, So whenever you're

615
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: kind of going through it and you you know, you

616
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: feel like there's a rain cloud following you, like what

617
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: the heck? Like go away? You know. I'm always like,

618
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: you're do your due right, like enough things happen to you,

619
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: and if you stop right that do you're due for,

620
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: something positive and amazing won't happen. And so for me,

621
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: like that, relentlessness is someone who can just keep putting

622
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other no matter what,

623
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: even when it feels like the sky is falling, and

624
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: you know you'll be able to accomplish pretty extraordinary things.

625
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: But we say it all the time, Like two weeks ago,

626
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: I said to my husband, like, we're due, We're due,

627
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: because it was just everything was falling apart. But understanding

628
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: that every single person, no matter what it looks like

629
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: on social media or you know how successful they've been,

630
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: everyone is going through those things. And the people that

631
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: are relentless are the ones that keep trudging and keep rising.

632
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:32,760
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Speaker 2: How does someone become more relentless?

662
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: I would say a couple different things. I would say,

663
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: Number one, you have to build your let's say your

664
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: trust tree around you. You cannot do it alone like

665
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: it is, it will be literally impossible. So I think

666
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: one analyzing who are the people around you? Who are

667
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: your mentors? It's the number one question I ask people.

668
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: I'm like that they're going through something, or they're trying

669
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: to build a business or whatever they're they're trying to do.

670
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: It's like, who are your mentors? Right with people that

671
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: you're going to turn to when you need advice and

672
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: you need some extra support. And if you don't have that,

673
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: go find it because it's not going to happen without that.

674
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: Then obviously your loved ones and your friends, and I

675
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: think always analyzing that. Right, If you don't stop and

676
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: analyze who's around you, why am I doing this, You're

677
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: not going to be able to battle back if they're

678
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going through some really really sucky,

679
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: hard stuff and you can't look and go, there's my

680
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: north star, that's why I'm doing this, you won't be

681
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: able to be relentless. But you have you have a

682
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: very very concrete vision and understanding of that, you will

683
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: always like it'll almost like just kind of grab you

684
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: and pull you back up, just just automatically. And I

685
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: think that's what I struggled with, Like obviously as a

686
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: professional swimmer, it was always like when medals, Olympian, all

687
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: those things, and then I always say to people, I'm

688
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: like I had to start over too, So like, yes,

689
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: at age ten, I was like, I'm going to the Olympics.

690
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: That's my north star. But I had to redefine and

691
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: find a new north star when I retired because that

692
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: was ripped away from me.

693
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

694
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're saying two things to be important here,

695
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: One having a great support system and being cognizant of

696
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: those that are around you, but to really being able

697
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: to reiterate and be specific about what your why is.

698
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 2: Why is it that you are going after the things

699
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: that you have, at one point or another articulated to

700
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: be of importance to you.

701
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say there's different ways to look

702
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: at that, right, Like some people could say like, well,

703
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm in this like oh I hate my job or

704
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm you know, doing this and it really sucks. Well,

705
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: like a lot. There are a lot of times throughout

706
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: the last you know, six years of retirement where I

707
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: hated what I was doing, right, but it's served a purpose.

708
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: So if you can see like okay, like I'm doing

709
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: this job, the hours are really rough and it's I

710
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: don't I just it's making me miserable, maybe it's time

711
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: to switch or maybe there's something that you know lesson

712
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: that it's teaching your skill set that's going to then

713
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: you know, springboard you to the next thing. So I

714
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: think that is really important. Like it's super easy when

715
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: when times are tough to just be like oh this

716
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: sucks and just kind of throw your hands up. But

717
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: I think taking a second, and that's where the mentors help, right,

718
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: because sometimes you're so emotional and so in it that

719
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: you can't see the bigger picture. I think that piece

720
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: is something that I did really well over the last

721
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: six years, is just being able to have an understanding

722
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: of the why even in the suck.

723
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Yes, I know that you didn't necessarily share a lot

724
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: about your perspective on the events that happened in your

725
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: career until more or least recently around twenty nineteen. Why

726
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: what was the catalyst for that? What was the catalyst

727
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: for you to be more open about your POV.

728
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the Ted talk was really like I always

729
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: go back to, that was really pivotal moment because I

730
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: always thought that, oh, well, I can't share my story

731
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: or my story is not going to help anyone, because

732
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: I just felt like there was I mean, there's so

733
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: many positives in my career. I just felt like if I,

734
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: how can I talk about my story out talking about

735
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: the downs, and if I don't talk about the downs,

736
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: then that's a super not authentic story and I would

737
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: feel so just terrible about not being real with people.

738
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: So I was constantly battling this. I even tried to write.

739
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: I tried to write my book probably four or five

740
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: different times throughout you know, right before I actually did

741
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: go out and write the book, and just couldn't do it,

742
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: like I would have these emotional breakdowns. So like I

743
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: kind of referenced earlier, like if you don't address things,

744
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: it's going to manifest itself negatively in different ways, right,

745
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: And it was just I was depressed, I was irritated,

746
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: like I just I couldn't focus. And so I feel

747
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: like my reason and catalyst was the ted talk of

748
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: just being being received so positively and people saying no,

749
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: like this is like everyone goes through hard times, Everyone's

750
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: got to get back up, like this is this is

751
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: a message that people need to hear and this could

752
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: positively impact people. And it was kind of this moment

753
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: of thinking, wow, like that could be a new north

754
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: star for me. Like I always say, like all the

755
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: bad stuff that happens, like it'll eventually make sense, right,

756
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: and it has to come around full circle. And I

757
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: always say like I want it to make sense. And

758
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: this is the first time a decade later where I

759
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this makes sense, like this is what

760
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do. And same thing with the blood clot,

761
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: like Okay, this makes sense. Maybe I can now help,

762
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, elicit change and generate awareness so that people

763
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: don't go through the same thing as me, and so

764
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: that just kind of created a snowball effect of starting

765
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: to share my story more and then writing the book

766
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: and then having that come out, and it just one

767
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: kind of chain reaction, one thing after the next.

768
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: What was the hardest part about owning your story?

769
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: I think just revisiting some really sad times, you know.

770
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: And my I worked with a fantastic ghost writer and

771
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: he was essentially a coach, Like we would talk about

772
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: a moment and he would be like, that was surface level,

773
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: go deeper, like no, you know, and then I would

774
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: and I mean I had to kind of go through

775
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: some of those emotions all over again, right, and you know,

776
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: having to do that a decade later. My husband would

777
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: come home from work and he would be like, what

778
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: year are you in, like you know, and I'd be like, yeah,

779
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine or yeah, you know. So I

780
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: think that part was scary. And then then the next

781
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: piece that was terrifying was publishing it and just feeling

782
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: like everyone who read the book could just see into

783
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: my soul. I just felt so naked and so open

784
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: because I had I had always said like I'm going

785
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: to be raw, vulnerable, authentic, like I have to be

786
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: if I'm going to put this out. And again, like

787
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: I had so many people recommend the book to someone

788
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: who was, you know, in a tough time or you know,

789
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: send me messages about how it positively impacted their athlete

790
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: or their mom who was going through a tough time

791
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: at work. Right, So, like getting those messages made it

792
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: all worth it and just really empowered me to keep

793
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: sharing my story in a really authentic way.

794
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: And not only like a book that was recommended to

795
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: others going through difficult times, but then to see the

796
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: recommendations that are a part of the book from both

797
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: Michael Phelps and Katie Ladecki, you know, talk about a

798
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: full circle moment for you having been at one point

799
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: compared to Michael Phelps himself.

800
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: How did that feel for you to be able to get.

801
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: That endorsement on your vulnerable, authentic take on the events?

802
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: Really cool? Yeah, I mean both of those. So it's

803
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: funny like Katie and I were kind of two ships passing,

804
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: like I was coming out of my career, she was

805
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: just rising to her greatness in twenty twelve, and so

806
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: it's been really fun to have a relationship with her

807
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: of just and she's so respectful of kind of the

808
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: passing of the torch from you know, one athlete to another.

809
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: Obviously in the freestyle, she's broken all my records, which

810
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: I always say anytime, if my record's gonna get broken,

811
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: it has to be broken by someone who works their

812
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: butt off and is a genuinely good person, then I'm

813
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: okay with it relatively, So that is definitely Katie. And

814
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: then Michael. Yeah, I've known him since I was thirteen

815
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: years old and it was kind of an older brother

816
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: figure to me, and so being able to now see

817
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, what he's done on the mental health side

818
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: of things and how he's kind of transitioned out of

819
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: his career has been really cool. And so it was,

820
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: you know, very grateful that he was willing to endorse it,

821
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: and we had a good conversation about it as I

822
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: was going through the publishing process.

823
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: You shared that now you have a lot of perspective

824
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: on perhaps the why these blood clots happened for you.

825
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: That language is always really hard to accept happened for you,

826
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: especially when an event isn't as you'd hoped it would

827
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: go and so much work having gone into your career.

828
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about that transition from being

829
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: in the pool constantly to now getting out of the pool.

830
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: What was that like for you as you came to

831
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: accept what was happening with your body.

832
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think number one. I mean I had to grieve,

833
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: and I had to grieve. I think there's no we

834
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: talked earlier, there's no time table with that, there's no

835
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: brushing that, like it just has to happen. And so

836
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: I went through a stage because my career ended not

837
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: on my own terms, like I wanted nothing to do

838
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: with swimming. I was just like this ended bad. I

839
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: had this feeling that, you know again, because my entire

840
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: identity was as an Olympic swimmer, like maybe people don't

841
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: want to talk to me because I'm not swimming anymore.

842
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds crazy, but it's how a lot

843
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: of people feel. And so I just went away. I

844
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to reinvent myself. I'm going to

845
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: become this, you know, this corporate person and to just

846
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: excel at that and didn't address anything. So I struggled

847
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: for probably three four years, and not only you know,

848
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: going in and pretending that this massive part of me

849
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: didn't exist, but also the support system, Like all my

850
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, teammates and people that I was close with,

851
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: I really drifted away from people that understand you to

852
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: your core, understand you're crazy, right, You're you're wanting to

853
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: go above and beyond and do whatever it takes to

854
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: accomplish a really big goal. So that was probably one

855
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: of the most challenging times in my life. I mean

856
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: three or five years and I was still excelling, but

857
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: I was doing so of coming home at night and

858
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: crying my eyes out and then going and functioning, you know,

859
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: functioning well, right, Like, well, people thought I was doing well,

860
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: but you know, underneath it all, it wasn't. And like

861
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't until I kind of came back

862
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: and owned my story and then now found a way

863
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: to really be involved back in the swimming community through

864
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: our business Energy dry Land, that I feel way more complete.

865
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: And there's certainly still work to do, but I would

866
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: say like I'm the most complete, happiest version of myself

867
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: since my swimming career, like a decade ago.

868
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really happy to hear that, and thank you

869
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: for sharing that. You articulated a bit of a career

870
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 2: transition here first in that kind of dark period.

871
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 3: Now in this period where you're.

872
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: Really happy about the opportunity to give back. So tell

873
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: us a little bit about what giving back looks like

874
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: for you these days.

875
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, So through the business, we get to go and

876
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: travel to teams, we get to talk to the athletes,

877
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: and part of it is, you know, we don't take

878
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: on a ton of teams so that we can feel

879
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: integrated with these athletes. And these athletes are the exact

880
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: age I was when I was trying to make you know,

881
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: my first Olympic team. You know, their age is ten

882
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: to eighteen, so really really critical times and you know

883
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: in athletes and a young person's life and so being

884
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: able to you know, be there for advice, be there

885
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: for support, to be there for that understanding of what

886
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: they're going through. You know obviously that the nerves before

887
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: meet or not feeling confident in what they're doing, or

888
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: as a female, like you're going through so much and

889
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: you're at the same time, like you know, wearing a

890
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: swim suit and you know, becoming a woman and all

891
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: those things that is already tough as an as a

892
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, a young female, but then you add the

893
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: athlete aspect onto it and that's even more challenging. So

894
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: I would say that's been the most rewarding of just

895
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: being able to and I'm big on not giving unsolicited advice,

896
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: so sometimes it's just the presence of just being there

897
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: and then you know, being open for them to come

898
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: to me if they need anything. And then you know,

899
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: the other aspect is being able to go and share

900
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: my story and and talk with different individuals, different companies.

901
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: You know. Obviously the athlete side of me loves talking

902
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: with athletes, but there's so many lessons that go beyond

903
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: into the workforce. I did work in sales for a

904
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: long time, uh so I understand that aspect of being

905
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: in the business world and all that comes with the

906
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: ups and downs of that, especially in sales. So that piece,

907
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, normal life or athlete life, I

908
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: feel like the just the sharing my story and being

909
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: there to be a listening ear is extremely rewarding.

910
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: You also mentioned at the top of this doing more

911
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: work within that place of female empowerment.

912
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: What does that look like for you these days?

913
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: A couple different things. I mean, again, like I do

914
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: a lot of work. You know, we'll take athletes from

915
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: the teams and and kind of pick certain ones off

916
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: to give extra love and support too. So maybe it's

917
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: connecting on a zoom once a month. Maybe it's it's

918
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: texting back and forth if they need it, you know,

919
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's in person and we sit down.

920
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm very very passionate about that because

921
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: I just think that the more that there's visibility, the

922
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: more that there's again an openness to listen. I think

923
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: it's it's really a lot of times I felt like

924
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: it's just either you know, kind of shoved down my

925
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: throat or it's what's the word, It's just it's just

926
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: someone's talking at me about it, right. So it's like

927
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: you almost don't have the ability as a young athlete

928
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: or young female athlete to go, wait a second, like

929
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: this is how feeling or and I feel like that

930
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: was okay, and then having this space to then vent

931
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: or talk through it, right. And so I'm really really

932
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: big on that because I think it then allows the

933
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: athlete the space to actually discuss how they're feeling and

934
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: validate how they're feeling, or give advice or talk through hey,

935
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: here's what I went through. And so I think just

936
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: having that presence, you know, on the Olympic team having

937
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: more female coaches. Right there aren't a ton, but I

938
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: think now it's becoming more and more common, and you're

939
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: just more comfortable sometimes talking to, you know, a role

940
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: model that is female or a mentor that is female,

941
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: especially at that age.

942
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh my god, the things that I would

943
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: have told my younger self if I had someone that

944
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: I felt like I could look at and they would

945
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: understand me, they would have been so monumental to have

946
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: that mentor. For you, knowing that you are in this

947
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: place of being a role model, how does that make

948
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: you feel like.

949
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: A lot of responsibility. I don't take it lightly, but

950
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: I feel like, again, it's that makes sense moment. I've

951
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: had some really positive experience with mentors, and I've had

952
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: some maybe not so positive experiences. So I'm able to

953
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: kind of pull from, you know, ways I've been helped.

954
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, my mom is the best at that.

955
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: Like she's so good at not talking at me and

956
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: being like, here's what you should do, here's your advice, right,

957
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: Because immediately you're like, oh, well, like here's how I

958
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: should feel, right, Like you should be able to be

959
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: in a space where you can express how you feel

960
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: and have that be okay and be like, yes, that's normal,

961
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: and have that validation, and then I think you can

962
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: explore from there. But my mom was always like probably

963
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: the first person that showed me that that's how you

964
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: support someone, and that's how you mentor someone is just

965
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: being a listening ear. And then obviously if someone's gonna

966
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: ask my advice, I certainly will give it and just

967
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: give kind of all angles and my perspective. But it's

968
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: it's definitely nice to feel like, Okay, I've been there,

969
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: I've done that, so I have that understanding without without

970
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: even needing to say it, right, I don't even need

971
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to say yeah, like I remember back in the day,

972
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: when it's like it's already known. So it's about that

973
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: athlete or that female who's going through it and then

974
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: just being able to express themselves.

975
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: You gave us some really helpful tips earlier about how

976
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more relentless transitioning into confidence,

977
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: something that you're clearly talking about all of the time,

978
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: both with your athletes and within your other speaking engagements

979
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: and to your followers and social media. Where do we

980
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: begin on that? How do we garner more confidence in

981
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: our day to day.

982
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me it was always around process, Like

983
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: I was never someone that could just I don't know

984
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: if anyone can actually do this, even if they say

985
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: it like I can't just be like yes, like I am,

986
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: I am able to do this. I am strong, I

987
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: got this. Like those things are positive, but I needed

988
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: to look back on a body of work and go, no,

989
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: like I've put in these paces. I was, you know,

990
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: rocking out on my nutrition consistently for six months. Right,

991
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: I have these different buckets, and that was nutrition, it

992
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: was sleep, it was in water, it was strength and conditioning,

993
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: it was you know how I felt it. I looked right.

994
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: I was always the girl rocking mess scarra and earrings

995
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: like that was always something like look good, feel good.

996
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: And so there was all these different aspects that I

997
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: leaned on so that you know, as I again I'm

998
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: big on momentum, but as you kind of check those

999
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: boxes and know that you're doing all those things that

1000
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: drives that confidence, and whether that's in a boardroom or

1001
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: behind the blox, or you're about to do something really

1002
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: big in your life, you can reflect on all of

1003
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: those things and know that you've done them and that

1004
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: was That was the biggest source of confidence for me,

1005
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: for better or for worse. But it also keeps you

1006
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: accountable daily because you're like, hey, I'm going to look

1007
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: back on this and I'm going to draw from this

1008
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: when I really need that confidence, I better be checking

1009
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: all the boxes and doing all the things so that

1010
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: my confidence is at the you know, the highest point

1011
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: when I need it.

1012
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1013
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely. It's easier. It's easier than done right.

1014
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: It can definitely be challenging. I think the other thing

1015
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: that I like to do is break it off into

1016
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: digestible pieces, right, Like if you look at a massive goal,

1017
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: like people always say, like the Olympics, oh my gosh,

1018
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: every four years, So how are you sitting at the

1019
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: bottom of a mountain looking up and going I have

1020
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: four years of work? That would be debilitating, Like that

1021
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: would just make you be paralyzed, right, And I think

1022
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: any big goal, a lot of times people don't even

1023
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: They get so overwhelmed. They're like, I don't even know

1024
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: where to start, right. So like being again, I'm big

1025
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: on this, but like mentors, coaches, friends like sit down

1026
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: and be like, okay, well, what's step one. What's like

1027
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: the first little benchmark that I need to get to,

1028
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: and then you accomplish that, and then you gain more confidence,

1029
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: and then you get to the next one. Right, So

1030
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: they all drives you, you know, each little bit drives

1031
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: you further and further up the mountain. And that, to

1032
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: me is the key to success is just old bits

1033
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: and again easier said than done. Having it be this

1034
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: day to day process is tough, right, But that's also

1035
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: why it's a big goal, or why why you feel

1036
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: so amazing to you accomplish the goal. Because if it

1037
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: was something that was like just just kind of you know,

1038
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: something that you want, or if it's not that bad, right,

1039
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: you would be you' accomplish it and you'd be like cool,

1040
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, Like it has to be something that's like,

1041
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: oh my god. And sometimes it's like, oh, like I

1042
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: hate this, or all the alarm clock goes off and

1043
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this, Like the amount of

1044
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: times that I'm just like, oh my god, I don't

1045
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: want to do this. Right, But like you you look

1046
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: back and you're like no, no, no, like okay, Like,

1047
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: but those have to be front and center daily or

1048
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: even the most motivated people in the world are not

1049
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: going to do them like it just won't happen. We're human,

1050
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: like we want to be comfortable, we want to sit

1051
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: on the couch like we you know, like that's just

1052
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: human nature. So having those things that that your little

1053
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: kind of tips and tricks for yourself is vital.

1054
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: You have made it very clear that you're passionate about

1055
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: both having role models as well as other people that

1056
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: you respect kind of in your immediate space to help

1057
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: lift you up, to get you to where you want

1058
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: to be.

1059
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: Who are those people for you?

1060
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would say, honestly, someone who's been a

1061
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: huge inspiration and mentor to me, Jesse Ittzler, is someone

1062
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: who from speaking to just encouraging me to go after it.

1063
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: He and Sarah Blakely as well, his wife, have been

1064
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: amazing in that way. And then I would say, there's

1065
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: there's people I've had, you know, a coach who I

1066
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: still talk to in the swimming world. I have, you know,

1067
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: someone who on the business side for Synergry is you

1068
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: know in the swimming world, so they I talk to them.

1069
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: So I think it's really important too to like you

1070
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: can't have just one mentor right, Like, there's different things

1071
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: that you're doing so you go to different people for

1072
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: different things and they're going to I think have multiple

1073
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: perspectives also helps, right, Like I might get something from

1074
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: Jesse and be like, oh, that's a great idea. Okay,

1075
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: I'll do that. But I might have, you know, the

1076
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: person in the swimming world that I talk to, you know,

1077
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: every week, be like, Okay, that's that's a good idea

1078
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Speaker 1: for that aspect. So don't pigeonhole yourself into one mentor

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00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: because you're gonna you're gonna glean, you know, little pieces

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Speaker 1: of advice from each.

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Speaker 2: So so fortunate for you to have so many people

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00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: in your life that just really have influenced you in

1083
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: such in such a positive way. Is it's Larre's hell

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Speaker 2: on the hill as hard as it looks, Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: It is on your hell on the hill for your

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00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: say that you get it. So the one in the

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00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: long like the hilly is half marathon. That's the one

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00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: that is in uh Maine, but the one in Connecticut

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Speaker 1: that's I mean, it is four hours every time you

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Speaker 1: get to it. There's one hundred total hills to get

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Speaker 1: like eight and a half miles, Like I'm not kidding

1092
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: like that. It gets so steep that the next day

1093
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: my biceps are sore because I'm pressing on my legs

1094
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: to get up like you have to. It's it, it goes.

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00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: It's a metaphor for everything I've been saying, Like, if

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Speaker 1: you on hill ten, if you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm ninety more of these, you would stop, Like you

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00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: would stop. You have to just be like, Okay, I'm

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00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: gonna go another five. Okay, cool, I'm gonna go another

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Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it's it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Hell incremental small wins, one at a time.

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00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Exactly.

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00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: Someone comes to your Instagram page, they see a two

1104
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: time Olympian, three time medalist, to speak, or a world champion,

1105
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. When you look in the mirror, Katie,

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00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: what is it that you see looking back at you?

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00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's such a good question. I would say. Ah,

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00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: I would say a strong, confident, work in progress, empowered

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00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: female love that.

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Speaker 3: How is it for you to work with your husband?

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00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: It's so fun. I mean people always are like, oh

1112
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: my god, I could never but you know, we obviously

1113
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: have our our challenges. But I think the reason it

1114
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: works is that you know, he is very much he

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Speaker 1: actually trained me at the end of my career, and

1116
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: so he is the one. He has the degrees and

1117
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: the certifications on the training side, and I have very

1118
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: much the lens on the swimming of like, hey, this

1119
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: would work, and swimming so different because gravity is not

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Speaker 1: a factor, So there's all those aspects. But our strengths

1121
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: complement each other really well, and we have very very

1122
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: different styles, which is obviously a good thing, sometimes a

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00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: bad thing, but I think overall, it's just it's really

1124
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: fun to be able to, you know, travel travel. Flew

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Speaker 1: seventy six times last year and a lot of them,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't feel it didn't feel like work because

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00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: he was always with me, you know, like typically when

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Speaker 1: you travel, you're away from your loved ones or your

1129
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: spouse and you're like, oh, I just need to get home.

1130
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Speaker 1: But we would just make it like, oh, we're finished

1131
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: with the work today, let's go on date, you know.

1132
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Speaker 1: So it's I feel very fortunate that we have this

1133
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: crossover and I have my stuff and he has his

1134
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: stuff kind of outside of things, but we have this

1135
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: amazing overlap and it's just been really special to have

1136
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: him also come into the swimming world and like he

1137
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: went to a swimming in Knoxville like a month ago,

1138
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: and he was talking to all the people that I

1139
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: had known since I was thirteen, and I was like,

1140
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: this is so beautifully bizarre that this is happening. So

1141
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: it's really cool because at the you know, I always

1142
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: wanted to have you know, a USA capus at Anderson

1143
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: on it and be able to have haff Anne Anderson

1144
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,959
Speaker 1: and he did, you know, obviously was cut short because

1145
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: of the blood clot So it's kind of this like

1146
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: really special thing that we're still able to be in

1147
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: the swimming world. He's still able to go to Olympic

1148
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: Trials in twenty twenty four and see every see my

1149
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: world and see what it was like for me. So uh,

1150
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely a really cool, fend thing and we're

1151
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Speaker 1: grateful for it.

1152
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Speaker 3: What excites you right now, Katie, Oh.

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: My gosh, so many things. I feel like living in

1154
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: ten see, living in Nashville really excites me. We're you know,

1155
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: around some really really close friends, so you know, being

1156
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: able to explore the city with them and get some

1157
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: really fun memories. Our business is, Synergy is doing really well,

1158
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: so I'm excited about that. And then I would say, uh,

1159
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: family is in the near future. So I'm excited for

1160
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: not announcing my pregnancy right now. Not a pregnancy enough,

1161
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: so it's not the announcement. But no, I think you.

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Speaker 2: Though, I'm flattered that you would even think for a

1163
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 2: second I would allow that to happen without.

1164
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Speaker 3: Us talking about it.

1165
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: And you're like, hold up, I'm like, whoa, who knew

1166
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 2: that you were going to come on hurdle and give

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00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: this news.

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Speaker 1: No, but it's the first time we've actually said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've been married, oh my gosh, seven plus years,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's the first time we've we've felt like, hey,

1171
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Speaker 1: I think we're in a really good spot. Like you're

1172
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: never ready obviously, fully, but we're in a really good

1173
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: spot to feel like, you know, we want to build

1174
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Speaker 1: a family and feel confident that we were in that place.

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Speaker 1: That's a really as a spot I never thought i'd

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Speaker 1: get to. So that's a really a really cool place

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Speaker 1: to be, you know, for the near future.

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Speaker 2: I love that it sounds like you guys are really

1179
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Speaker 2: in alignment with where you're going and where you've been

1180
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Speaker 2: and excited about what's to come up. Yes, all right,

1181
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Speaker 2: so final question here, for you today, Katie. Right now,

1182
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to give yourself a piece of advice.

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01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: Looking back on that hurdle moment when you were told

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01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: that your career as you knew it at the time

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01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: had to come to an end, what advice would you

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01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 2: give yourself, knowing what you know now?

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Speaker 1: Wow, I would say, there's no rush. I just felt

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Speaker 1: like I my career ended, and I felt like I

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Speaker 1: instantly had to find the next north star and the

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01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: next thing that was going to define me. And I

1191
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: don't know how I could have avoided that, but I

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01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: wish I had been able to stand in front of

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01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: myself and be like, take your time. You you know,

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01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: you didn't make an Olympic team in a year. You

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01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: can you can work through this, and there's no rush,

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01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: Like you're not behind, right. And I always felt like,

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Speaker 1: because my career ended later that I was just behind

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01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: and so there was this panic that I needed to

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Speaker 1: find something and do it and do it in an

1200
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: elite way and all and just added a lot of

1201
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: unnecessary stress. And I think a lot of people feel

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01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: that way of you know, I'm this age, I have

1203
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: to rush, I'm behind right because of social media, are

1204
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: people posting things, and there's a lot of time and

1205
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: you will get there and being patient is hard, but

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01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: there's no rush.

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing a lot of trust to the process here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which is such an annoying thing to say because

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: it's so annoying, but it really is what's necessary. And

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: so yeah, trust the process. Say it to yourself, to

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: your blue in the face, and trust it.

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Speaker 2: Trust it, Katie. I'm so happy that we were able

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01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: to make this happen today. Tell the hurdlers that they

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 2: don't follow you just yet. How do they keep up

1215
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 2: with you? How do they follow along with you? And

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Speaker 2: give us your details?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So I am very active on Instagram, So it's kt

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: Hoff seven, so seven because lane seven was the lane

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Speaker 1: that I made my first Olympic team in, so kt

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Speaker 1: Hoff seven. And then my website is Ktihoff dot com.

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01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: So I update with podcasts and speeches and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle podcast

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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.