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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything, So don't don't do here. We are

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Speaker 1: back again, ready to go. This isn't an intro. Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to be never ending Worst Year Ever. My

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Speaker 1: name is Katie Stole Florious and Evans Evans, Tody Evans, Johnston, Robert.

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Speaker 1: How are we all doing today, gentlemen? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: I think that I speak for us all. What I

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Speaker 1: answer with, yep, Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. A lot

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Speaker 1: of fun stuff is happening. Um. The President's going down

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Speaker 1: to speak in Alamo, Texas. Uh. And it's just come

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Speaker 1: out that Lindsay Graham is on the plane with him.

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Speaker 1: Despite saying earlier that their journey together was done. What

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Speaker 1: did he say? I did my best, but I did

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Speaker 1: my best, but I'm done now I'm done. Oh so

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Speaker 1: he said after you know the insurrection, that he in

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Speaker 1: President Trump had a hell of a journey, but it

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Speaker 1: was time to count me out because enough is enough. Um.

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Speaker 1: And now he's on Air Force one with the President

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Speaker 1: because you know, Lindsay Graham has again all of the

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Speaker 1: spine of an earth work to be fair, and I

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Speaker 1: believe I mentioned this last week. He had definitely had

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Speaker 1: at least a few drinks when he said those statements,

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Speaker 1: and I think that that's non binding, despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that he was on television in front of all of

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Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, yeah, the entire planet. Yeah, that's fun. Um,

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Speaker 1: we will all remember the Alamo. Uh what I remember? Texas? Alamo, Texas,

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Speaker 1: which is not the Alamo and is in fact about

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Speaker 1: five hours away from the Alamo. He definitely an Alamo

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Speaker 1: car rental. Correct, that would not have been that that

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Speaker 1: would barely have broken into the news just based on

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Speaker 1: everything else that's been happening a combination Alamo hurts actually,

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Speaker 1: to be more specific, Well, we've milked this moment um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The fun thing about the Battle of the Alamo is

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Speaker 1: that everyone there was drunken, racist, um, and they still

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Speaker 1: won the war, which is maybe a reason to keep

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Speaker 1: your head on a swivel after the failed insurrection, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just thinking of history. Yeah, what should we talk about today? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Can we dive into the insurrection some more? I've heard

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Speaker 1: things are good, heard, things are good. Yeah. Everyone we apologized, yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: and we're all united in unity. Yeah. Actually unity is divisive. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: you can't do unity. Yeah, you can't say unity, Um,

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Speaker 1: we're all united and completely rolling over to a neo

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Speaker 1: fascist party and giving them whatever they want because it's

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Speaker 1: mean to nots. But if we ask for the things

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Speaker 1: that we need in order to like survive, that's divisive.

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Speaker 1: That's divisive. That's divisive. What a week it's been. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this time last week we were poised and so we

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Speaker 1: focus for the most part on the Georgia runoff election,

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Speaker 1: which again have to keep reminding people we won well

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party one. I'm not going to say we

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Speaker 1: I know, even as I was saying it, my brain

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Speaker 1: was editing the sentence, like if it was an essay

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Speaker 1: I was writing, I'd be like, okay, copy edit this phrase.

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Speaker 1: But my point being, yeah, we have a narrow majority

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. Soon the people not actively trying to

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Speaker 1: burn down civilization and murder those they deem weak, and

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Speaker 1: within hours edge they passively do it. Absolutely they who

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Speaker 1: doesn't passively? You know? Um, it was interesting last week

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Speaker 1: as things unfolded, and um, you thought that there might

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Speaker 1: be a potential for Donald Trump to be leaving office

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Speaker 1: sooner than expected, or at least that there would be

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Speaker 1: some sort of actual movement in that direction. But no,

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Speaker 1: no president for life. UM. I don't know about you, guys,

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Speaker 1: but I got rapidly frustrated last week in weekend as

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Speaker 1: it started off with we are filing articles of impeachment now,

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Speaker 1: and then it became we are urging the president to resign,

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Speaker 1: and if the president doesn't resign, we are going to

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Speaker 1: vote on a resolution to encourage Pence to invoke the

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Then if that doesn't do it, then when

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Speaker 1: five days remain, we will impeach. Just work our words.

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Speaker 1: Fuck you all so good. I love every way possible.

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Speaker 1: I feel the way about Mitch McConnell a little bit

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Speaker 1: the way I do about Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars,

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Speaker 1: where he's just he's just, he's there's there's a degree

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Speaker 1: to which I respect is the wrong word, but I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate how constantly on brand he is, like with

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Speaker 1: his message where it's like, yeah, you guys can impeach

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Speaker 1: the president. It'll start a day before Biden is inaugurated,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, it will take up all of

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Speaker 1: we can do that, and if you don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that, you'll still get nothing done. Yeah, a piece

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Speaker 1: obviously in many ways it's a huge waste of time

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Speaker 1: and resources that are direly important. Is direly a word? Yeah, Yeah, durable,

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Speaker 1: diable exactly of utmost important during a pandemic, when vaccine

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Speaker 1: rollout has been laughable and people are dying um at

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Speaker 1: overwhelming rates. But on the other hand, there was an

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Speaker 1: insurrection incited by the sitting president of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and we're just gonna do nothing about it. No, why

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Speaker 1: would we do Why wouldn't we do something about it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hence you know, all sorts of frustrating emotions. If we do,

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Speaker 1: then that would that would tell somebody in the future

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Speaker 1: the door open for more of possibility, and you can't

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Speaker 1: say no to anything. Um. There's a lot of little

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Speaker 1: boys and girls going up right now who are thinking

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Speaker 1: about subverting democracy and forcing their will on a nation

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Speaker 1: of millions, and gaining the ultimate power of thousands of

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons and the unchecked ability to do evil and

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Speaker 1: it would be divisive if we made a strong statement

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Speaker 1: to them that that's not acceptable. Exactly exactly, there's no

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Speaker 1: there's no unity to be had about uniting around uh,

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Speaker 1: getting rid of this guy. Nobody likes, nobody likes them.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even do that. Oh god, it's so I

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Speaker 1: guess we should talk a little bit about because everybody

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Speaker 1: has been messaging me with variations of the Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you said this was going to happen? What? What? What's

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Speaker 1: probably going to happen next? This weekend, You're going to

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Speaker 1: see a series of protests on state capitals, as many

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Speaker 1: probably a few more than that will be armed. Most

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Speaker 1: of those protests probably aren't going to be huge, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you try to do protests in fifty state capitals

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Speaker 1: the protests after it were less attended because yes, it

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Speaker 1: it's certainly not. I think there will be a number

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Speaker 1: cracking down on counter protesters. UM. That's what we've seen

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Speaker 1: And so there's there's I think we're we It's possible

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Speaker 1: because people are reorienting themselves. UM. At present, my major

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Speaker 1: We've already seen a number of different bomb attacks and

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Speaker 1: launch campaigns of violence. That's easier for organization. The FBI

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Speaker 1: They did a lot in there were a number of

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Speaker 1: different groups that had planned attacks, like the people who

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Speaker 1: thing we talked about calling for arrests. But these are

427
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: also a lot of the same people that want to

428
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: defund the police, that want to have prison reform um,

429
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: and and we're very quick on our side to be

430
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: pointing at things and laughing about stuff, which, as you

431
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: point out, um, you know, yes, we should be allowed

432
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: to the things that you're supposed to be that you require. Um.

433
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: But yes, also Sophia, that's not throw you to the bus.

434
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: It's it is you're you're seeing this. It's stunning. Sometimes

435
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: you see this guy in these pictures and he's you know,

436
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: facing the consequences of his actions, and it's very easy

437
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: to like to laugh at he only wants these organic things. Um.

438
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think it's an interesting conversation that

439
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: we're seeing unfold right now with this as the backdrop. Yeah,

440
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: we don't want to treat prisoners poorly. No that's not

441
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: that's not the point. It's just the point that that

442
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: like a week after this, like that's what we're talking about, sure,

443
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: or yeah, And then I think there's a lot of

444
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: stuff like that we see like oh, he's also I

445
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: think that guy is also Polly or like there's another

446
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: Polly guy. Yeah, and like that's like it's funny the

447
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: intersection there of and like it's I think it's it's

448
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: more of a U Testament, like just something to consider that. Uh,

449
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. It permeates everything. Yeah, it gets in all communities,

450
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: and like you know, this guy is like probably like

451
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: an eco fascist like there, that's gonna be a thing

452
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: more and more, Yeah, in the years and uh yeah,

453
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of talk the Q and

454
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: on lady who got killed was was Polly and just

455
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: taking a look at I don't know, just like there's

456
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: a lot of suspicion that they're they're what's known in

457
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: the community as a unicorn chaser, which there's a lot

458
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: of like problematic folks within that sort of uh, I

459
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: don't know, fringe of of of the Polly community, like

460
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: the couples who are like looking for a younger woman.

461
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know exactly what went down.

462
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: But um, just because somebody's into whatever, like countercultural stuff

463
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you're into, doesn't mean they're also not a fascist, because

464
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: fascism is syncretic and it adapts other things to it.

465
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: It's a katamari, you know. God, I've gotten to use katamari.

466
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: Domassy is like I've compared it to modern things happening

467
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: in politics so many times in the last couple of years.

468
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: Lucky you yea, Um, but yeah, I mean this all

469
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: speaks to like the radicalization and how rapidly this is happening.

470
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe correct me if I'm wrong. Um,

471
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: that same woman was an Obama voter. Yeah, a lot

472
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: of them are. Yeah, Obama twice. Yeah, there are people

473
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: who are you for change? Yeah? Are you? Are you

474
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: gonna make the joke, Katie? I wish you gonna make

475
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: the Are you're gonna make that? But they would have

476
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: voted for him for a third term if they could. Well,

477
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: I yeah, it's just Um, it's sobering, I guess is

478
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: the people that are radicalized enough in this short period

479
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: of time to be showing up at the capitol. Yeah,

480
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: and to be taking these actions. It's something that like

481
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: should be taken to heart quite a bit. Yeah. People

482
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: are they're isolated and struggling, and they resort to these

483
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: kinds of things, and I don't know what to do.

484
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean, vote blue no matter who. That's what. Yeah,

485
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean when it comes to what should

486
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: be done or what the what the what the responsible

487
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: response is to the people who took part in the insurrection. Um,

488
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: I I go back and forth. UM, But I think

489
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: the thing that is consistently clear to me is that

490
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: when you have have an attempt to overthrow the government

491
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: with violence, UM and institute a fascist state, Historically, when

492
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: the fascists aren't punished for it, it doesn't endwell. And

493
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: look at the beer Hall punch for an example of that. UM.

494
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: You can also look at the years leading up to

495
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: Mussolini's march on Rome. UM. It's so, I do believe,

496
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, I I and I don't think that necessarily

497
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: conflicts with being a police abolitionist, because they're not going

498
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: to abolish the police tomorrow. And there are people who

499
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: just tried to murder a bunch of elected leaders to

500
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: institute a fascist dictatorship, and it's best if they be stopped, um.

501
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: And they're not just going to be stopped by being

502
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: shamed online and losing their jobs, you know. UM, there

503
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: are so I I don't have an issue with um.

504
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: Like I'm happy that Ziptai guy is not on the

505
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: streets anymore because that guy scared the hell out of me. UM,

506
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: the Q Shamon and less like whatever like he I

507
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know that I think the Q

508
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: Shamon was um as as dangerous as certain other people. UM.

509
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I I think that in general, when you

510
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: can find people who you know, perpetuated serious violence um

511
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: or who were organizers of this attempt to take over

512
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: the capital, those people should face consequences. Um. And while

513
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: I think the prison system is unjust and our legal

514
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: system is unjust, I also think that that's the best

515
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: way of disrupting these people at the moment um, because

516
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't know any other options, right. Um. I'm I'm

517
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: a believer in in the kind of the work anti

518
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: fascist researchers have done to expose these people, but that

519
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: also wasn't enough alone to stop this, in part because

520
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: these people have had the law enforcement and the state

521
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: on their side for most of this period of time,

522
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: which is again what you saw in in Italy leading

523
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: up to the March on Rome. Is anti fascists would

524
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: rise up and try to organize to fight the black Shirts,

525
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: and they would be cracked down on by the police

526
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: in the military. Um. And while you have the fascists

527
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: with the cops in the army and whatnot on their side,

528
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: there's really no chance at winning. It's too overwhelming a force.

529
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: So if the state is willing to actually crack these

530
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: down on these people, um and and disrupt them significantly.

531
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let that happen. I'm not going to complain,

532
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to complain. Yeah, I guess

533
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: it comes down a lot too also kind of what

534
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: we talked about last week, where uh, that's all generally true,

535
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: but if you don't if the people in power who

536
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: continue to like push this kind of thing and promote

537
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: this kind of thing and then they get away with it,

538
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: I like, getting these individuals won't actually do that, right, Like,

539
00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: if you still have politicians who are very popular who

540
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: got away with doing this and are now like I

541
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: don't be in civil to me, um, then they're just

542
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna keep being able to do it and finding new

543
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: people to perform the actual violence. Um. If you don't

544
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: solve the problem at the top, uh, the bottom will

545
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: keep getting filled. It seems to me. All right, before

546
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: we go too far down that path, let's take a

547
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: real quick ad break again and we'll come back and

548
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: we'll pick up the ball where we left off together

549
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: everything So don't don't and we're back from that brief break. Uh, Cody,

550
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: do you want pick up where you left off. I

551
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: don't know sure what Hi, we're talking about the government

552
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: and it's good and everything's in order, and the future

553
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: is bright. I love you know. What I love about

554
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: the future is that it's gonna be better than the past. Yeah,

555
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: it's not getting dumber by the moment. It's not in

556
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: any Any podcast that starts with and ends with a

557
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: song suggesting that it will get dumber is a liar,

558
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: liars off the air, fake news, deep platform them off,

559
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: get them out. Um. So I don't know. Things are

560
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: fucked and that's cool. Um. I I think we're talking

561
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: about I was so the people who did the storming

562
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: of the capitol, um, and like you know, zip tie

563
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: guy z t g um. But uh, I guess I

564
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: guess the concern is that you in the whole in like,

565
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, those people facing consequences. You're you're telling other

566
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: people that if you do this, you'll face consequences. I

567
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: don't know how Um many of those people necessarily care

568
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: about facing consequences, um until they actually happen. I think

569
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: a lot of them do. So. One of the things

570
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: that I think needs to be emphasized about the people

571
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: who attended the rally, and I divide them, broadly speaking

572
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: into UM into three groups. There's the hard core folks

573
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: who wanted to storm the capital but didn't really know

574
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: what they're were doing. There's the tourists who are you

575
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: saw a lot of old people who just kind of

576
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: like stumbled in there, like they showed up for the

577
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: rally and they were like, well, I guess let's walk in,

578
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: who are like not really dangerous um. And then there

579
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: are the people who were both showed up wanting to

580
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: storm the capital and had a plan and knew what

581
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: they were doing. And you can see differences. There are

582
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: individuals in that crowd who are moving with situational awareness,

583
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: who are aware of the severity of what's happened, who

584
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: have taken act like steps to spear their identity, and

585
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: who are who are prepared and acting with intent right.

586
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: And both the group of people who had no idea

587
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: what they were doing but wanted to storm the capital

588
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: and the people who knew what they were doing are

589
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: are very dangerous groups, right um. And that is I

590
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: think the majority of that crowd. But the chunk of

591
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: folks particularly who were in the showed up wanting to

592
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: do ship um, but didn't know what they were really doing.

593
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: Crowd were like upper middle class. There are people who

594
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: flew in on private jets and drove porsches in and

595
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: our ceo s and ship like a lot of people

596
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: with money, right, people who not necessarily super rich, but

597
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: people who were well off and people who were very

598
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: comfortably middle class business or to be there in the

599
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: middle of a week, yes, and which that is also

600
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: very consistent over more than a century of fascist organizing.

601
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: The strength of fascist movements comes from the middle class

602
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: and the upper middle class, um. Not the super rich,

603
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: who tend to be more enthralled with the kind of

604
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: like the the powers that be at the time. They're

605
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: usually willing to side with the fascists over the communists,

606
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: but they tend to initially at least back the status quo.

607
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: But the middle class in particular, who feel like they're

608
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: being squeezed from both ends, are the the fuel for

609
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: fascist movements. That's where it comes from, um. And that's

610
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: that was the case with the rate on the capital

611
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: or the insurrection, whatever the hell you want to call it.

612
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: The bulk of the people, they're we're not poor, suffering,

613
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: working class people, you know. Yeah, it's Trump voters. Yeah,

614
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: it's Trump voters, exactly two thirds of whom make more

615
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: than fifty dollars a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something to

616
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: uh always remember here. Um literally, I mean literally the

617
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: private jetwoman. Yeah, the private jetwoman, right yeah, um and

618
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So I I think third, there's definitely like

619
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: just it's a it's a big mush of different people

620
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: there for for reasons that like they overlap and some

621
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: are separate. Um, but I feel like there's just always

622
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: they're always going to be people to fill that void.

623
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: Like these people face consequences, other people will will will

624
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: jump in there. And the people that really need to

625
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: face consequences are the people who have government positions and

626
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: authority and pushed for this to happen and are going

627
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: to get away with it because they like stepped aside,

628
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: like right at the last second, any all the people

629
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: who are jumping ship up, jumping off the Trump to

630
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: the Trump train now uh in the final hour, as

631
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: if that's going to um they're not really, well they're

632
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: not really, but they're depending like they are and they're

633
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: going to get away with doing that. It distancing from

634
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: specific aspects of it. So I mean there's an element

635
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: of this conversation that's spinning wheels because there's just no

636
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: clear one answer and and it's all just so frustrating.

637
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Speaker 1: But yeah, we talked about this last week, Uh like,

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Speaker 1: will consequences come to not to the people that showed

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Speaker 1: up and the vast majority of people there as as

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Speaker 1: as a form of protests, but to the leaders who

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Speaker 1: allowed for this to happen? Uh, the conservative thinkers and

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Speaker 1: influencers on Twitter. And it's hard because you know, this

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Speaker 1: gets coupled with you know, we've already had an extensive

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Speaker 1: conversation about Twitter and deep platforming in parlor. You know,

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Speaker 1: people that want to distance themselves from the riot are

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Speaker 1: now focused on um, you know, censorship and this and that,

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Speaker 1: and you can't trust anybody. And you know, I've been dipping.

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Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this last week, dipped into Facebook

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Speaker 1: because I never do anything on face the internet, really

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Speaker 1: the Internet in general, shoot trespassers. That's my recommendation. Sorry, Katie,

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Speaker 1: you know it's it's fine. I looked today on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a people that I used to have

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Speaker 1: in my life and in their relatives and friends, and

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Speaker 1: and one in particular who maybe at one point considered

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Speaker 1: herself a liberal. She's older, but she's a conservative. And

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Speaker 1: you know, she's posting about how you can't trust anybody

657
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Speaker 1: that this is heartbreaking, but you can't trust the facts

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Speaker 1: that are you know, you can't trust what's being portrayed

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Speaker 1: as facts, and you know, you can't trust any of

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Speaker 1: the leaders and all this stuff. Where am I going?

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Speaker 1: It's just a big mush pot. They're there, they're talking

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Speaker 1: about censorship, they're talking about this and that, and we're

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Speaker 1: getting away from the fact and losing sight of the

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Speaker 1: fact that what started this was an insurrection at our capital,

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Speaker 1: egged on by and mis enablers. And and so you're like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Lindsey Graham just you know, severed ties with this.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, like you mentioned, he's on

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Speaker 1: a plane today and it's just such a murky mess. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: And like I mean, all the people who helped plan

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Speaker 1: it um A Freedom Caucus chair Andy Biggs helped plan

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Speaker 1: the event. Um people funded busses to to bus people

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Speaker 1: in for the thing, and now they're like Alex Jones

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Speaker 1: says the president asked him to lead the march on

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Speaker 1: the Capitol, or at least he was saying that into

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Speaker 1: a coptaw. Now he says it was Antifa, of course

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Speaker 1: he does. It's all anti I think Dave Rubens on

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Speaker 1: the it was Antifa train now too. But also they

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Speaker 1: were patriots but also secretly Antifa. He did stuff I like,

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Speaker 1: was a patriot. Everyone who did something that I could

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Speaker 1: get in legal trouble for talking about liking it was Antifa. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were tricking me. Um. And it's just, uh, they

682
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Speaker 1: need to go or they need to recognize what they've

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Speaker 1: been a part of and uh leave the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: Um they won't knowing nobody's making them. Of course not

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Speaker 1: they won't. Um, it's in civil it's uncivil to to

686
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Speaker 1: do that. But yeah, guys, unity without repercussions for the monsters. Yeah,

687
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Speaker 1: and we're and this this event also allows a lot

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Speaker 1: of people to uh to step away, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: all the even like Pens and like all all these

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Speaker 1: all these freaks who have been attached to Trump until

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Speaker 1: the bitter end Wednesday happened. And now they're allowed to say,

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Speaker 1: oh that was too far, I'm done, and then they

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Speaker 1: get away with it. It's like they're little get out

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Speaker 1: of the Trump trained free card to to use this

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Speaker 1: as the last straw for them, as if there weren't

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Speaker 1: enough straws before that, and it's gonna work. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: work for so many of them. It's very frustrating to see, um,

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Speaker 1: every day someone's like this is I'm this is not

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Speaker 1: who we are. Well it was a week ago we

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Speaker 1: could go always exactly who you are. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: um yeah, m hm. That was really eloquently said. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting to see charges being drawn in the Flint

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Speaker 1: Flint water situation. That's good, Yeah, that happened. Yeah, Governor

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Speaker 1: of Michigan, accountable Brick Snyder, Yeah, saying that if as

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Speaker 1: the governor, you allow tens of thousands of people to

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Speaker 1: drink poison, that's a crime. It's nice, it's nice. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious to see like what they're, what those charges are,

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Speaker 1: and really what will will happen there. But it's nice

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Speaker 1: to see that there seems to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of one orders. Look if all of the if all

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Speaker 1: the cops did was arrest governors for incompetence, no one

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Speaker 1: would have a problem with the cops. Those guys who

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Speaker 1: throw our governors in prison. I like those guys, right, literally,

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Speaker 1: I want to take this literal thing to the meta. No,

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Speaker 1: I can't figure out how to make this joke cut it,

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Speaker 1: danieal no, no, no, Katie trying to make roll forward

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Speaker 1: some sort of a comparison between consequences for a governor

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Speaker 1: allowing their citizens to drink poison water. But now let's

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Speaker 1: make the poison water be fake news. And and and

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Speaker 1: there's a joke there that I haven't figured out, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I respect it, and thank you guys. I

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Speaker 1: I hope that we come up with something good because

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Speaker 1: I see all the bullet points there. Katie, we have

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Speaker 1: all years, we have a whole year. You're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: circling back to this. So who do you think would

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Speaker 1: win in the Battle of the fun boys? Lindsey Grim

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Speaker 1: or Mitt Romney? Are they fuck boys? Mick Romney because

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Speaker 1: he's a much more attracts me, like who you gonna

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Speaker 1: or who's going to win in a fight, or who's

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Speaker 1: got Romney? First of all, Lindsay Graham. No, that can't

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Speaker 1: even be in the same conversation because, like my face

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Speaker 1: is thoroughly just no. I'm just saying, as the the

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Speaker 1: the I'm going to tell you one thing, but do

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Speaker 1: another thing. Suckers that kind of Graham and then Lindsey Graham.

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Speaker 1: But then the other definition. Boy, if I have to choose,

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Speaker 1: here's how I think you have to analyze it, right.

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Speaker 1: You have to think about what kind of come they ejaculate, right,

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Speaker 1: so we know that it's spider webs for Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham, it's like have you ever sat on a

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Speaker 1: bag of pork rinds and the way they kind of

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Speaker 1: get all crumbled up? That's what out. I thought you

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Speaker 1: were going to go in a different direction, like like

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Speaker 1: a laughy taffy. Oh no, you see. Actually, but when

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Speaker 1: I when I think about Romney, I think about laughy

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Speaker 1: taffy oozing slowly out of his penis and then he

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Speaker 1: has to pull it out, like the end of it

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Speaker 1: out and then there's a little knock knock joke written

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Speaker 1: on the side of it. Jesus Christ on the boardwalk,

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Speaker 1: or it's like that, it's that putty that you used

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Speaker 1: to play with to like smash down on newspaper and

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Speaker 1: you pick it up and it's made an imprint and

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Speaker 1: it's a banana flavor. I think we can all agree

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Speaker 1: Mitt Romney's laughy taffy is that nasty banana. Banana flavor

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Speaker 1: is not really banana. It's a flavor that they call it.

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Speaker 1: That's not even really like the fake banana that everyone

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Speaker 1: else uses. It's that unique laughy taffy fake banana to

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Speaker 1: tastes like death American hero. This is a fun running bit.

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Speaker 1: We've got big the Big Book of Politicians. Come. I

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Speaker 1: love I look for Hey Plume, Hatchet come at the

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Speaker 1: will write the Big Book of Politicians. Come politicians out there.

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Speaker 1: I know what all there come? Is this? You think

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Matt Gates comes. I know what

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Speaker 1: Matt Gates comes. And it's just like there's like little

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Speaker 1: bitty roofing nails. Yeah, for like ten seconds and I

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Speaker 1: thought he was talking about Matt James The Bachelor, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, what podcast, I don't know what he comes.

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Speaker 1: No different, it's a different book. Matt James has come

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Speaker 1: is holy and it is beautiful. Yeah, Matt Gates has

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Speaker 1: coming side. They're more like tax than nails. But like

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Speaker 1: the things you used to put up tar paper, that's

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Speaker 1: what Matt gets comes. Jesus. Yeah, it tears his penis

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Speaker 1: up inside every three time. Yeah, he only does it

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Speaker 1: once a year. I mean, this is I want to

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Speaker 1: I could go through all of that. There different consistencies,

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00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: but I think we've got to save some for future shows.

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00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: How the nation heals. That's how the nation heals. Um.

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Speaker 1: On that note, seems like a good place to wrap

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Speaker 1: things up. Tell them what you think about tell us

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00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: on Twitter, all of us repeatedly, what different kinds of

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Speaker 1: come you think different elected leaders have and and just

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Speaker 1: shout that out into the void. It will never come

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Speaker 1: back on you and be a problem in your professional career. Crowdsourcing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is this is, this is organizing. You know what.

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Speaker 1: I love how build community? And I just throw this

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Speaker 1: one out there to cruise. Creamed corn. Oh no, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: but like but cold cream corn like like ice cold

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Speaker 1: like it'll burn your hand, it's so cold when it

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Speaker 1: comes out. You know, it's really funny. Is I spent

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Speaker 1: my morning emailing with the Wall Street Journal Um, and

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Speaker 1: I was just on Russian language live television talking about

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Speaker 1: this and now I'm chatting about talking about terrorism, and

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Speaker 1: now we're we're talking about come because it's all day,

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Speaker 1: and then you come on this podcast to talk about

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Speaker 1: the important ship, Yeah, which is the semen that uses

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Speaker 1: from our elected leaders. Fascinating puffs out. Oh yeah, like um,

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Speaker 1: oh god, you know those you know those, you know

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Speaker 1: those mushrooms that are like a big puff ball and

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Speaker 1: then they burst and those like those, like a cloud

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Speaker 1: of sports sports comes out. Um, that's gotta be Chuck Schumer, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's gotta be what Chuck Schumer comes like he pushes

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Speaker 1: for days and like a mushroom ball comes out of

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Speaker 1: the head of his penis and then it bursts and

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Speaker 1: just spores fly everywhere, and then in a year there's

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Speaker 1: a thousand more Chuck Schumers. That's why we've got so

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Speaker 1: many Chucks. That's why we have so many Chuck Schumers.

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Speaker 1: It's a problem, but there's a lot of problems to

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Speaker 1: deal with first before this grotesque mold infestation. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: you can check us out online at Worst Year Pod

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Speaker 1: for more stunning commentary like this. You can follow us too,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure we'll be talking about it for years

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Speaker 1: to come. Get it, years to come, which is how

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Speaker 1: long it takes Chuck Schumer to come because that mushroom

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Speaker 1: ball all the way out. You guys have really changed

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Speaker 1: my humor over the last year and a half hard

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Speaker 1: long long term fans of our various pods will know

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Speaker 1: that I used to not be a purveyor of come jokes.

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Speaker 1: But what do we have but come Everything's just come come, Come, Come, Come, Come, Come, come,

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Speaker 1: come come ever, so it's going to get comer, comer.

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Speaker 1: That's the end of the podcast on the Room, So

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Speaker 1: come Everything so great, I read Dan. Worst Year Ever

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