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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tailed Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm your guest host,

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with Brodie Swisher about

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Speaker 1: all things Turkey hunting. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: which is brought to you by First Light. Yep, you

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Speaker 1: guessed it. This is not Mark Kenyon's voice. It's old

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Speaker 1: Antonio keeping the lights on again while Mark is off

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Speaker 1: in France, of all places, trying to win a breakdancing

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Speaker 1: championship with a belly full of croissants. Now, I know

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Speaker 1: he looks like he'd be pretty awkward on the dance floor,

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Speaker 1: but Marcus actually got some pretty good moves and he

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Speaker 1: got bumped up from the amateur category to professional, so

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Speaker 1: be sure to wish him luck. I hope he comes

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Speaker 1: home with some hardware for his man cave. Today I

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Speaker 1: have Tennessee hunter Brodie Swisher on Brody is the editor

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Speaker 1: for bowhunting dot Com and the host of the Hunting

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Speaker 1: Roots podcast He also happens to be one hell of

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Speaker 1: a talented deer hunter and of course a turkey hunter,

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Speaker 1: which is what we are talking about today. This is

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Speaker 1: the one show a year where we break from white

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Speaker 1: tails to talk about gobblers. But the truth is we

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Speaker 1: do mix in a little bit of deer hunting conversation

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Speaker 1: as well. But basically, if you're a casual turkey hunter,

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Speaker 1: a diehard turkey hunter, or even just remotely interested in

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Speaker 1: starting out, I think you're going to really enjoy this episode.

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Speaker 1: Brodie Swisher, do you know how special of a guy

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Speaker 1: you are? Always? Man that's always always feeling special when

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Speaker 1: I get to hang out with you for a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: We get we do one turkey episode a year for

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Speaker 1: Where to Hunt, and you are the guy this year,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to talk all kinds of turkey today.

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Speaker 1: Good deal, man, That's one of my favorite pieces, So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the opportunity. Man. Always good to catch up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love talking turkey and other stuff because we spend

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Speaker 1: so much time each year talking about deer, how to

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Speaker 1: kill a deer, and where to find big bucks, how

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Speaker 1: to plan hunts, and turkeys are just fun and it's

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Speaker 1: just it's I was telling you, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: this is a late March episode, but I was telling

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Speaker 1: you back in February, I saw my first bird strutting already,

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Speaker 1: you know, through thirty inches of snow up here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: And man, the first time you see that just you know,

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Speaker 1: just get you pumped. And you were saying that you

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Speaker 1: were duck hunting at the end of the season down

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Speaker 1: there in Tennessee and heard a bird gobble at first light,

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Speaker 1: which he was obviously a little bit confused, But man,

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Speaker 1: it's it's getting close now, that's right. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's passing by fields, seeing one strutting, whether just

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Speaker 1: those early birds popping off, whatever. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: little encounters. They're just enough to keep tugging at you

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Speaker 1: to get you through, and so those are always appreciated.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, man, it's it's right here looking forward to

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Speaker 1: it's ton be awesome. Do you do yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: before Turkey season? You know, that's kind of evolved over

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Speaker 1: the years and anymore, I really don't, just because a

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Speaker 1: lot of the scouting I do. You know, somebody says, oh,

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Speaker 1: And then I start getting some of that competition. And

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Speaker 1: hunting turkeys and for taking my little girls out. That's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think exactly that. The majority of my scouting is

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Speaker 1: And that's what you mentioned. Trail cameras, Man, that's where

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Speaker 1: pull the cameras deer season over me, pull my camera.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, man, now it's the time to have

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Speaker 1: sending me pictures. Don't sell you to the camera. He's like, hate,

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Speaker 1: And one little bit of intail, one little bit of

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Speaker 1: You know, this guy's like, dude, I got birds everywhere,

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Speaker 1: and uh, never heard a bird off, you know, off

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Speaker 1: You know, I go back to gusta, dude, I've never

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Speaker 1: heard anything. Ten o'clock, eleven o'clock, whatever it is. He

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Speaker 1: your birds, man, And they were in the exact field

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Speaker 1: When when you get that turkey, that's like I said,

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Speaker 1: game agencies trying stuff like that if it's for the

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Speaker 1: resource and they go, you know, this is a three

423
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 1: year thing or whatever, and if it's if it doesn't

424
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 1: make a difference, we're going back or we're gonna try

425
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 1: something different. What I hate is when you get stuff

426
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 1: like that that's supposed to be for the resource and

427
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 1: then it's just like that's just the way it is forever.

428
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 1: You know. We we dealt with that. And maybe I'm

429
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,800
Speaker 1: a little spicy over this, but you know, one of

430
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: my favorite hunts that we used to have was the

431
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,400
Speaker 1: January grouse season and northern Wisconsin because nobody was there.

432
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we my buddies and I would go over

433
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 1: there like two weekends a year in January and hunt

434
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,120
Speaker 1: those birds on public land and I never saw another

435
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 1: hunter in like a decade. And then they you know,

436
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 1: they had some grouse population issues and so they go, well,

437
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,879
Speaker 1: they you know, an easy win is to get rid

438
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: of this and it's like, well, where the January hunters

439
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: killing that many birds? Like where's the data on this?

440
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 1: Like is there is there a way we could address this?

441
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 1: And then when you see it go away because there

442
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,719
Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot behind that. It was just like

443
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 1: kind of a politically easy win. It wouldn't piss off

444
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 1: too many people. But there's that opportunity's gone forever and

445
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 1: you're like, well, did it did it work? You know,

446
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: like where do we end up with a sacrifice? Because

447
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,440
Speaker 1: it's gone. So we lost a hunting opportunity, But did

448
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 1: it matter? And if it did, like you know, I mean,

449
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 1: if the if the numbers improved and it was linked

450
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 1: to that, great, But if it was just one of

451
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: those things where they're like, well let's just do this,

452
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: that that bothers me a little. Yeah, it's like, show

453
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 1: me some show me some research, show me some data,

454
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff, because I'm all four. Whatever helps out,

455
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 1: you know, I'm all four. You know you're telling me

456
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 1: that this, you know, this tactic is going to help

457
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 1: us get our population by whatever percentage by the next

458
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: couple of years. We'll shoot, let's do that. If we

459
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: need to drop a bird, if we need to, uh,

460
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, out of the bag limit if we need

461
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 1: to not use this, do use this whatever. If you

462
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,479
Speaker 1: tell me that's to boost things up, and here's your

463
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: your research and the facts that are going to back

464
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 1: that up, that's great. Let's do that. And then after

465
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: three or four years and not show me some more

466
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: data you know that this, this did you know? But man,

467
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: I see so much listening to podcasts earlier today, you know,

468
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: from Turkey biologists, and it's like, my gosh, man, the

469
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: more I listen to these guys that are the scientists

470
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: of biologists on stuff, the more I feel like, I

471
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: don't think we know. I don't think they know, you know.

472
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: I mean so many times they say, well, we really

473
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: don't have the information we need. And that's kind of

474
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: what I hear a lot. You know, it's kind of scary.

475
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I think we're kind of

476
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 1: being reactive and stuff a lot of it instead of,

477
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: you know, stuff we should have been kind of tracking

478
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 1: the last ten or twenty years, you know, when things

479
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: were good. I think everybody just loved the heyday of

480
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 1: Turkey population and now we're kind of reactive to the fact.

481
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, something's going on, and nobody seems to know.

482
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: You know. Like I said, when I see these questions,

483
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: they're like, Hi, we just really don't have the you know,

484
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: we just want the information we need or the research

485
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: we need. And I'm like, well, when are we going

486
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: to get that? You know? I mean we've been talking

487
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: last three or four years now, Okay, we're almost you know,

488
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,719
Speaker 1: in five years now, wondering what's up with this stuff?

489
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: Five years you could probably have gotten some pretty good

490
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: data collected there. And um, but yeah, like you said,

491
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean you start getting to where you take something

492
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: out and say let's just try this, and it's gone.

493
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't usually get those things back, you know what

494
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You don't get that bird back, that that

495
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: extra bag limit, that season, that extra weekend, whatever it is.

496
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: They take it out, and most time it's that slippery slope.

497
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: One time's gone, it's not coming back, and then it's

498
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: that much easier for them to say, well, let's just

499
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: hatch away next one, you know, And so anyone, it's tough.

500
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: It is. It's a lot of political bullcraft that goes on.

501
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: And Tennessee, are our folks here pretty good? I know

502
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: some of the commissioners here and making the rules regulations.

503
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 1: But man, it's a lot of politics in it that

504
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: just doesn't seem to slide the right way. Yeah, I

505
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: mean I wish I used to have to do a

506
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: lot of interviews with you know, dear biology and wildlife researchers,

507
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: and you know, how do they count deer and how

508
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: do they count wolves? And you know, how do we

509
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: know from year to year that we have this number?

510
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: And where do the estimates come from? And it really

511
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: it's really like a lose lose situation because they counting

512
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: wild game populations is hard, like I mean, impossible really

513
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 1: to be all that accurate a lot of times. But

514
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: I always look at it, like over in Wisconsin, when

515
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: you register a deer, you have to answer this little

516
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: survey on you know, how many deer did you see today?

517
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: How is it the weather? How do you rate the weather?

518
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: How much? How many hours did you put in? And

519
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: I look at that and I go, Man, if you're

520
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: if you're worried about turkey populations, if you know, if

521
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: you have people register them online, they could create any

522
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: kind of survey they want and at least track you know,

523
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: it's anecdotal but it would be such a large sample

524
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: size that you could say, wow, you know, two years

525
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: ago people were reporting seeing you know, six turkeys per hunt.

526
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: Now they're seeing three. You know, and you know, of

527
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: course you've got to bias there with successful hunters and whatever,

528
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: but at least I think we could be gathering more

529
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: information from the people all over your state who are

530
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: out there, sitting there in the spring or sitting there

531
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: in the fall, and at least get some of these

532
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: trends down and go, okay, is this because because you

533
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: always wonder, you know, I mean, you listen to people

534
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: bitch in certain places, like well there's no deer left,

535
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: and then you go hunt there and you have an

536
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: awesome hunt. You're like, okay, well who am I hearing from? Like,

537
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: and those some of those voices are really loud, and

538
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: sometimes when you meet those people, you're like, well, you

539
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 1: just really don't know what you're doing. Like it's it's

540
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: too small of a sample size and too vocal of

541
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: a you know, of a little segment there. And so

542
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to see that because that would be that's

543
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: a really small ask for hunters to have to fill

544
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: out a little survey or something that's already you know,

545
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: it comes right up on your phone when you or

546
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: you know, to buy your next license. Okay, well we

547
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: see you bought turkey license. You were unsuccessful? What happened?

548
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: And just fill it all right there and we could

549
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: be gathering some real data and at least using that. Yeah, now,

550
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: I'd be huge. You not hear them talking about you know,

551
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: some of these bologers talk about purchasing with some of

552
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: these funds that have been raised for different fundraisers for

553
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, NWTA for Turkeys for Tomorrow or whatever it is,

554
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: and they're buying these I don't know what they calm

555
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: song meters or whatever. It's basically just you know, some

556
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: kind of device that they're hanging up in the woods

557
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: and the trees, and it's basically gathering if from what

558
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: I understand, you know, the number of gobbles, you know,

559
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: like it's just a recording device. I had all the

560
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: recording device and sticking it up out there. Of course,

561
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder like, okay, that's the best we

562
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: can do for researchers, have a you know, audio recorder

563
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: out there recording gobbles, and I mean, I know all

564
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: that different stuff comes in and the data there and

565
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: they can figure out whatever. And they they're smarter with

566
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: that than I am, obviously. But just like you talk about,

567
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 1: you take a survey and then and everybody becomes a

568
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: recording device. Right, how many turkeys did you hear this morning?

569
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: How many turkeys did you know? What's the most you heard,

570
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: what's the least you heard? You know, whatever? Did you hear? Turkeys?

571
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, goblin every hunt, like you said, now, every person,

572
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: every hundred and the spending of the spring turkey woods

573
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: is somebody collecting data, you know, and so that would

574
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: be huge and like you said, him, you're talking five

575
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: minutes survey. You know, you talk about the number of

576
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: birds they saw, a number of birds that you know,

577
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: the number of Jake's number of you know, all that stuff.

578
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: It could be, like you said, a real simple ask,

579
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: but huge data for them just to work off of.

580
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: And then you know, just kind of get across the

581
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: board because like you said, you you can't go by

582
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: what you hear somebody griping about on Facebook, Like you said,

583
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: the loudest, the loudest voices that guy that's ticked off

584
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have anywhere to go. Yeah, ever sees

585
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: a turkey. If he does see a turkey, can't kill it,

586
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: you know. And he's just a horrible hunter, but he's

587
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that's gonna be riping the most,

588
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: the loudest voice out there. The reality is he just

589
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: sucks at playing the game. And so here's you know,

590
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: that's not you know, you can't figure that into the averages,

591
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, as far as that goes so well, and

592
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: you would have the opportunity too. I mean, I was

593
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: out the other day in my driveway. One of my

594
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: neighbors walked up and he's a he's a big Upland hunter.

595
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: He's got English setters and really good dude, and so

596
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: he came up to talk to me about last pheasant

597
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: season and we were bsen and he hunts probably, you know,

598
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe an hour and a half kind of from where

599
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: I like to hunt, so a little bit different part

600
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: of the state, but not real far. And he knows

601
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: his stuff, He has good dogs, hunts hard, and he's like, man,

602
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: we really struggled to find birds this year, and you know,

603
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: we shot some roosters, but it wasn't it wasn't great,

604
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, and he's asking me

605
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I had an amazing year.

606
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: We were covered in birds. And if you had enough people,

607
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, filling out a survey or whatever, you could say, well, geez,

608
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: this region seems to be hopping. This one seems to

609
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: be on a decline. Why what's the habitat? Like, what's

610
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: what's the predator situation like? And it probably could allow

611
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: them to tweak you know, some management strategies around you know,

612
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: high and low populations. But you know, it's easy. It's

613
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: easy to sit here and solve all these problems without

614
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: having to do anything. You when you're going to start

615
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: out there down there in Tennessee, what's your decoy situation like?

616
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Because I I have people ask me all the time

617
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: about my my setups, and I'm I'm real particular about decoys.

618
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: What do you what do you go with? Like opening morning?

619
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: What's your setups? Your setup? Yeah, so my routine has

620
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: typically been and if I can, if I can carry

621
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: a few decoys. Um, I've got a laid down hen

622
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: um or we call them the breeder. It's just a

623
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: hen and um it's on the ground like she's laid

624
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: down ready to be bred. I'll have that and I'll

625
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: have a jake standing behind. I use the avan X decoys. Um,

626
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: and so yeah, that little breeder hen laying on the ground.

627
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: I've got this Jake decoy and I don't know what

628
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: they call it, Jake deco, but it's just a crazy

629
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: good looking Jake decoys. Not strutting. Is it like a

630
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: quarter strut? Maybe a quarter strut um, Yeah, maybe that

631
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: quarter strut. He's just got a little boat up look

632
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: about him or you know whatever. I can't remember which

633
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: one it is, but I put that right behind it,

634
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: like he's ready to step up on her. And then

635
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: I use that feeder. So I use a reader, the feeder,

636
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: and then that jake and the feeder. To me, it's

637
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: just a head down. She's got her head down kind of,

638
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, like she's pecking away, you know, bugging across

639
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: the field. But that one, to me, and if I

640
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: had just one, I'd probably use her because that one there,

641
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: to me, it works as a confidence because that you know, um,

642
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: that bird whatever it be hens a bit a gobbler.

643
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: He looks out there and he sees, oh man, she's

644
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: over there, she's feed she got food, she's content, No

645
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: no problems. It's just like waterfowl. You know, you got

646
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: that old confidence equal to whatever it is you use

647
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: for me. That's it. For the turkey, it's just that feeder.

648
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: She's she's content, she's chill. But also the fact that

649
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: she's got her head down and she's feeding, and that

650
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: God refers many times that gobbler comes up and he

651
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: just keeps pushing him to come on because he's like, hey,

652
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: look at me, ship, you know whatever I mean, He's like,

653
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: you know, look up. And so she's not paying hm attention.

654
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: It's almost like she's playing hard to get and he's

655
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: got to come on in. He'll strut you, come out

656
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: of street and walk on the Hey look at me,

657
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: you know if she's not looking, and he marches right

658
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: in because he wants her to get her head up

659
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: and look. And so I like those two. That feeder

660
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: is a good is a good piece. That's kind of mine.

661
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: I use those three if I can have the opportunity

662
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: to haul him in using whatever the setup is. I'll

663
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: usually start off with that. When the ground is, you know,

664
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: not a lot of grass growing up, fields are still low.

665
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: Um that breeder jake behind it again, man, No, No,

666
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Goblin's right mine's gonna put up with that little pump

667
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: Jake stand up and getting ready to breed one of

668
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: the you know hens. I mean, what is he missing

669
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: out on? You know? So, I mean that one's pretty

670
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: pretty strong and it just seems to work. I don't

671
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: know that early season, well, I say early see, it

672
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: seems to work all along, but early on, I mean

673
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: once once everything gets up and you know, the field

674
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: start growing up, that that you know, breed or laying

675
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: on the ground is kind of out of the options

676
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: because it's you know, just at it's laying down, they

677
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: don't see it. But um, that's a pretty tough setup, man.

678
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of my favorite setup is ands using that

679
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: just again, it's kind of pushing him. You try to

680
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: take off that bird and let him know as a

681
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: young punk in here hanging out with the ladies and

682
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: he had a hard time handle that one. Yeah, that's

683
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: that's typically what I go with. I'm using Dave Smith's

684
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 1: but it's the same principle where you've got to lay

685
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: down hand and you know, I try to get her

686
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: on like a little golpher mound or something, just to

687
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: get her up just a little bit. And then I

688
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: pushed that jake decoy right down on top of her,

689
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: so he's like five inches off the ground, because I

690
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: see a lot of people put their decoys way up high.

691
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Looks a little bit unnatural. And then I'll usually do

692
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: a feeder and then he's got a leading hand decoy

693
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: it's called and she's always way out front, and if

694
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: you string them in the same direction, they it just

695
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: looks like that little flock following that lead hand she's

696
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: going somewhere, and that you know, the jake's trailing and

697
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: he so often, like you're talking about, where you kind

698
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: of get that bird. You know, sometimes they just come

699
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: barreling in and you're good to go, but you get

700
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: that one that's like, I'm kind of looking I'm showing

701
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: you my stuff. I get a lot of times, especially

702
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: when i'm bow hunting him where that birdled. Get to

703
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: lake forty fifty yards and he'll finally pick up that

704
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: that breeder hen on the ground, and then his demeanor

705
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: will change and he goes, oh, I'm not I'm not

706
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: showing off anymore. I'm coming in. And you see that

707
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: switch a lot of times. If you see it, you know,

708
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, if you're in like a lower spot in

709
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: the field, like a corner. A lot of times will

710
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: be a little lower and those birds will get there

711
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: and they can see everything pretty good, but they get

712
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: to a point where they catch that that little hen

713
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: peeking up underneath that jake, and then it's just freaking over.

714
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: Oh dude, you can see it in that body language.

715
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: He's so pissed when he realized what's going on. And

716
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: like you said, he goes from that kind of that

717
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: looking and struttingto just that meanwalk he does and he

718
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: comes in. You can just stiff leg and he's marching

719
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: and you see them feathers bristled up and he's coming

720
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: and he's just he's pissed, man. And it's like, like

721
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: you said, he the switch is flipped and he's coming,

722
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: and I mean, gosh, that's exciting when it happens. And

723
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: you know he's coming in there to clean house, and

724
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: do you know you're not tolerating that stuff. So yeah,

725
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: that's a fun deal. Like Mike finally kept up limps.

726
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: Let's say you around a just a typical field edge

727
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: set up in the morning. You know those birds are

728
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna be walking out right, so I kind of set

729
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: them up where, you know, whatever my shot is, I

730
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: want that that jake there, you know that jake had

731
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: that twenty yards or if I'm bow hunting at seven

732
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: eight yards whatever, And then it looks like everything's coming

733
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: out of the woods in a line, you know, like

734
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: turkeys would do. Or I'll reverse it in the evening.

735
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: But I always have my birds facing the same way,

736
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: travel in the same direction. I see people, and I

737
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: know they kill birds, so it probably doesn't matter. But

738
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: you see people will put you know, like they're jake

739
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: or they're strutter right in the middle, and then they'll

740
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: put a hen on one side facing away and a

741
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: hen on the other side facing away, and you know

742
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: they're dumb birds, right, But you look at that and

743
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: you go, I never see wild birds do that. They're

744
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: always going the same direction. Yeah. Well, and when you

745
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: do see them looking different directions of what is it?

746
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's you know, a coyote just came in

747
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: the field and so all of a sudden, their heads

748
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: up and they're all looking. You know what I'm saying,

749
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: They're looking, and they're all different directions, like checking things out.

750
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: To me, when I see different heads going different ways,

751
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: something just spook them and they're looking for danger, you know.

752
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that's a good sign of something

753
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: ain't right when you know, heads are just periscope and

754
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: they're looking all around, and so yeah, that's definitely not

755
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: a natural presentation. And if anything at all, it's a

756
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: it's a sign of you know, of danger and them

757
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: on alert and looking and trying to figure out something

758
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: that's up, you know. So yeah, you try to keep them,

759
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: like you said, at that lead hen, that lead hen

760
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: decoy or whatever, just keeping that natural float. Man, they're

761
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: falling somebody, you know, and she's going to be that

762
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: hen out front and the rest of them just kind

763
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: of picking along. You got that little string of birds

764
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: lined out there. So that's a you know, very natural presentation,

765
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: you know, to have that set up where everybody's doing

766
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: that natural flow falling it that lead him. Yeah, I

767
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: think it might all be in my head, but I

768
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: think some of that stuff when you're hunting pressured birds matters.

769
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: And I also think I've really gotten into uh set

770
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: ups on like logging roads where I can I can

771
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: catch him like mid morning where those birds, you know,

772
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: they hear you. You can do some scratching and throw

773
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: it in there and mix it up a little bit,

774
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: but they gotta get pretty close to lay eyes on it.

775
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: They don't get that stand two hundred yards away and

776
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: check stuff out kind of thing. They're gonna have to

777
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: get there to see it. But you don't, you know,

778
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to surprise them, but you want to

779
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: get it where it's like he pops out forty fifty

780
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: yards away and sees it, and then he's already in

781
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: that red zone where when he catches that breeder underneath there,

782
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: he's coming. And you get those situations with the right

783
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: birds that you scout it out and it's like it's

784
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: almost a guarantee. Yeah, yeah, that's fine, that's right, almost,

785
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: unless you're hunting with me, and then it's it's I'm

786
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: the should have been here yesterday, guy, I'm the small

787
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: percentage that went wrong. That's that's my that's my hunts usually.

788
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: But now it's it's fun like so when it when

789
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: it happens, when it works, it's good stuff. But like

790
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: you said, man, having them where they can see it

791
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: from a distance, it's the key to me. Um, you know,

792
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: having a let them see it, no big surprises, you know,

793
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: they freak out and pop out and right on top

794
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: of Oh, you know, he's a whole flock right here

795
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: and didn't even see him here, you know whatever. Um,

796
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: But I like when you're talking about, like they said,

797
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: that situation where they see him from a distance, he

798
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: gets a chance to, you know, in his terms, you know,

799
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: see it and take a look at it, investigate it,

800
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: and then march on in when he see what he

801
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: likes or don't like it. I mean, if it's in

802
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: a spot where they expect to see birds too. I mean,

803
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: if you've got a scout at Elton, there's you know,

804
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: birds going through that logging road at you know, seven

805
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, at ten o'clock in the morning

806
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: and noon, and it's pretty consistent back and forth movement.

807
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: It just seems like they're just like, oh, I've heard calling,

808
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: I hear scratching, and now I see this little flock

809
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: that I kind of expected to bump into. Uh do

810
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: you do Do you do much bow hunting for him?

811
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: Or you mostly shotgun hunting them? Shot you gun mostly?

812
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: These days? You know a lot, It was a lot.

813
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: There was a time when you know, back in the

814
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: double bull days, you know, uh, that was like all

815
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: I did. You know, I was doing some pro staff

816
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: with those guys, and that's all I did, man and

817
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: bow hunting them and just um, you know, ground blind

818
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: and and that was that was it. And I enjoyed

819
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: that time, you know, I enjoyed those days. And uh

820
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: and I don't really know what changed for me other

821
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: than maybe just coming back when we're in Montana. That's

822
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: all we did. You know, we bow on them. You

823
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: can only shoot one bird there, so kind and they

824
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: were so easy. There was kind of like, you know,

825
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: be a little silly to chaste them with a shotgun.

826
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a perfect deal for the bow.

827
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Moved back here chasing these Eastern birds again and just

828
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: a challenge of it, but also hunting with my kids

829
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: and whatever kind of transition back to toting that that

830
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: shotgun now, I just I loved, you know, the running gun.

831
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: I kind of got tired of sitting in a blind

832
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: hearing birds do something, knowing I need to be over there,

833
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: not right here. Uh and you know, wanted to bail

834
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: out that line and take off and so and not

835
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: a few can't run a gun with the bow, but

836
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean I love that crawling sneak and moving whatever,

837
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, just position. It's a chess match of turkey hunting.

838
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: So these days, man, we've been talking the little twenty

839
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: gage and even this last year we shot him all

840
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: at four ten, you know, so it's been kind of

841
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: cool getting back into that. But yeah, Karen, the boomsticks

842
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: kind of been fun, you know, these last few years.

843
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: I'll enjoyed it again. If you can't find any of

844
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: those four ten turkey shells this year, it's because my

845
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: daughters shot them all last year. We are We're not

846
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: hunting with four tens anymore. We for the first couple

847
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: of years they did really well with it, and then

848
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: we had such an epic meltdown last year that it

849
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: was it was something I've never seen before. I went

850
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: out there with those little girls and we had nine

851
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: shells and we got one bird and I had to

852
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: strangle that pup at the end because we were out

853
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: of shells, and I was just at one point there

854
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: everybody in the blinds crying and I'm going, guys, I

855
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what we have going wrong.

856
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. We got a reset

857
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: and it was a it was a meltdown that. I mean,

858
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: imagine shooting nine times at turkeys in your decoys and

859
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: you kill one jake. And and that was a jake

860
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: that got shot in the ass on the first shot.

861
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: It was when I was digging in my backpack for

862
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: that second box of shells, I was like, guys, we

863
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: gotta get our ship together. I don't know, I don't

864
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: know how to do this any other way. But then

865
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: I took my one daughter, who didn't kill but missed

866
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: a lot that day the next day, and I brought

867
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: the twelve gage out and put it in the death grip,

868
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's gonna be a different deal here, honey, Like,

869
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: just just put that on the base of his neck.

870
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: And she after she shot her bird that night, and

871
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: she said, I'm never going back to that other gun.

872
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, good, I can't find any shells for it anyway,

873
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Like yeah, right right, oh dude. And man, that is

874
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: a special kind of panic when you know you just

875
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: ran out of that you just shot your last shill,

876
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: flung your last arrow. That sucker is still standing there,

877
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, standing there alive, and you're like, oh my gosh.

878
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: And you're like you said, you're digging through your jacket,

879
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: your pockets, your turkey vest and there ain't another shell

880
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: that suckers out there still alive or flopping or running

881
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. And oh my gosh, I've lived that one

882
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: out so many times, and that just the panic that

883
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: sets in, thinking, oh my gosh, I'm out of shells,

884
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna still beat this thing with the gun,

885
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: you know, and whatever and run down whatever. It's a yeah,

886
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: I feel you, man, that's a that's a meltdown. I

887
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: don't care if I with the girls, boys or whatever.

888
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: That's uh, well, you've been there and experience that, and

889
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: it's you're doing your best you can, you know, I am,

890
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, just to keep cool. I'm pretty bad about that. Like, yeah,

891
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: me too, dude. Come on, you know, you're like, you're like, hey,

892
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: what's out here to have a good time? And then

893
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: that last shell goes and birds still stick? What do

894
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: you do it? You come on, you get your crapping there.

895
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: You gotta shoot the bird, shoot him in the net,

896
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: come on, please, you know whatever, and just falling apart. Yeah,

897
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: I was. It was a rough one. It was a

898
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: rough one. And the worst part was is I mean,

899
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: so my dad the first shot, you know, called in

900
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: three jakes. She hit it. Not great, but not terrible,

901
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: you know. I mean those tungs and shells they're gonna

902
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: they do some damage. And he was he was showing

903
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: some signs of having trouble. But by the time we

904
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: were nine shells deep into it and we still only

905
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: had that bird to go run down. I was just like,

906
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: I never thought that could happen, you know. I mean

907
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: they they killed their first birds when they were eight,

908
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: smoked them, shot birds when they were nine, smoked them.

909
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: And then we had that night and it was like

910
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: it was crazy. I mean it pulled them out of

911
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: school at two o'clock and we were we were out

912
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: of shells at like four thirty. I mean, it's just

913
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: what do you think happened? What did happen? What do

914
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: you think? Man? I don't know, because we patterned that

915
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: gun and it was, you know, fifteen yards. I just

916
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: think I think they were they just picked their head

917
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: up or they were they just weren't aiming. Like something happened.

918
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. And it was it wasn't because of

919
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: the gun. It wasn't because the shelves. It was just

920
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: they might have been flinching, and you know that kind

921
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: of stuff when it goes wrong and it starts to spiral,

922
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, the pressure kicks in and you know, you

923
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: just my one daughter, I know for sure, she just

924
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: really rushes her shot. Yeah, and so she was just

925
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: rushing it too much. And the other one she's usually

926
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: really good, like she's been good on deer and turkeys

927
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: and really, you know, the year before, made a great

928
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: shot on a big tom and just I think it

929
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,959
Speaker 1: was just not when it didn't go right the first time.

930
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: Then it was real downhill and you know, like you said,

931
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: like I didn't handle it well, you know after because

932
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: a single shot gun. Like after a while, I was like, guys, yeah,

933
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: like we're not this is like a gift. I mean

934
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: we're calling in birds like you're not gonna get this.

935
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's a first day you're hunting them, and

936
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: but it's whatever. You know, they're they liked that little

937
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: gun and it's a great gun for it can be,

938
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, real effective. But I'm like, we're going a

939
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: little more horsepower next time, and we're just gonna do

940
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: it differently. And you know, it happens. And then I

941
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: took my brother in law and my nephew out like

942
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: three days after we had that epic meltdown, and we

943
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: got into the blind in the rain. I started calling

944
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: and like twenty minutes later I looked up in seven

945
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: redheads popped over the hill and here comes seven Jakes

946
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: and you know, right into the decoys and he's like,

947
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: I think he was twelve last spring, big kid. I'm like,

948
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: just pick one, they're all whatever. And he shoots and

949
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: they're all just standing there. So another shell in the chamber,

950
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: and I said, just whatever one you want, buddy, And

951
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: I watched him shoot that gun and I'll bet he

952
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: didn't hold I bet that bead wasn't within six feet

953
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: of those turkeys, just like just like pulled the trigger

954
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: to get it over with. So I was like, well,

955
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: we gotta stop this and reset because we can't be

956
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: shooting up into outer space here, like we gotta and

957
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, so it's just you forget, you know. I mean,

958
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: you take people who are pretty accustomed to carrying a

959
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: shotgun around and they blasted a bunch of turkeys that

960
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: turkey walks in Most of the time, it's like this

961
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: is the easy part, you know, Like getting them there

962
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: is mostly the hard part. But you take kids out

963
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: and you realize like and you know, I mean it's

964
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: it really kind of helps you shore up your game too,

965
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: Like did they see us a little bit? Or like

966
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna have a more movement and less

967
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: confidence in the shot. So you better you better have

968
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: your decoy placement right. You better know how to call,

969
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: like especially in the heat of the moment you get

970
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: one shot at it doesn't bust away. You better know

971
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: how to keep them birds around. And it's it's a

972
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: high stress environment. Oh my gosh, I'm sweating just here.

973
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: And you talk about it like this is kind of crafted.

974
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: It's about this time of year. I'll start having Mayor's

975
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: about this very thing you just describe in the last

976
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: five minutes. Um, you know, just sat, you know, my

977
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: kid just shooting, closing his eyes, shooting, you know, shooting

978
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: out of Just get it over with, just send it

979
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, panic mode, um all that stuff. Man,

980
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: don't let the social media photos fool you. I can

981
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: be you know, go from Daddy of the Year too.

982
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: He wrote his zero real quick, you know in that

983
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: ground line or you know whatever. But it's just because

984
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: you do we forget about the fact, hey we're dealing

985
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: with the nine year old. You know, we're dealing with

986
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: the nine year old and can't really comprehend or handle

987
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: the crap, you know, load of crap we're putting on

988
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: him right now, you know, I mean, I think about it.

989
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: You know, my heart's racing so bad when that golber

990
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: comes in there. You know, with a forty five year old, man,

991
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: it's up more than I can handle. A lot of

992
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: times I get so tore up and I think I'm

993
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: gonna you know, it's gonna kill me. I'm gonna have

994
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: a heart attack right here. I'm so excited these birds

995
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: are coming, marching right to me. And then we dumped

996
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: that onto a nine or ten year old. I'm like,

997
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: come on, do what's your problem? I mean, you shot

998
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: a whole box of shells that was sixty bucks. He

999
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: ain't got a turkey yet. What are you doing? You know,

1000
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: like you're gonna pay me back for that crap? What

1001
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: are you doing? You know? And oh, but it's um

1002
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: that's what makes it fun. Like you said, we pull

1003
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: our hair out just just trying to get them there.

1004
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: But like you said, man, the biggest thing for me

1005
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: is like, dude, I watched you knock the crap out

1006
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: of one last year. You know, you you've you've been

1007
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: killing and then they had one of these meltdowns and

1008
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: they came hit the broad side of a barn in

1009
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: your one and like, what happened to you? Where'd my

1010
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: kid go? You know? And uh, you know. So it's fun, man,

1011
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: But you know what would be the best thing for

1012
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: guys like us in that situation if we could just

1013
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: look up into the sky and see or replay of

1014
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: like our last five years of hunting and all the

1015
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: mistakes we've made. That's true. I mean I think about

1016
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: that stuff all the time. I mean I I had

1017
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: a meltdown mussloader hunting deer this year. Really good opportunities

1018
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: slipped through my fingers, you know what. I pheasant hunt

1019
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: like a fiend, right, Like I love it. And they'll

1020
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: be days, you know, I'll go a whole weekend and

1021
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: maybe not miss a rooster, like and then I'll have

1022
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: a hunt where I'll have a bird get up and

1023
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: fly straight away and I'll empty both barrels and go

1024
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: never touched him. And then five minutes later I'll have

1025
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: another rooster. Do the exact same thing, and you're like,

1026
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I think I could have got that bird with a

1027
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: sling shot and I can't get it with my twelve

1028
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: gage here, and it's you know, you forget. But I

1029
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: think part of it is, you know, you take your

1030
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: kids out, or you take a nubie out, you're like,

1031
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: I just I want it for him so bad, you know,

1032
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: and then you just lose your ship, and then you

1033
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: feel bad, and it's just it's just tough. It's tough

1034
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: being a idiot. I guess. Yeah. Well, there's been a

1035
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: lot of those times where I have I finally cool

1036
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: it off. I'm like, hey, dude, I'm sorry. I'm not

1037
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: sure what all I said back there. Oh, but I

1038
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: want to apologize for any of it. It It wasn't cool,

1039
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: and what's with most of it? But my old n

1040
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: well he just turned ten, ten year old Rambo heat

1041
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: he'll call you out of that stuff though, you know,

1042
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: he's he's the one that you know, I don't know.

1043
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the one and he's want to shot

1044
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: the antler off off of the deer this year and

1045
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: that was you know, ending of himself. And he called that,

1046
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: He called me out to dad. Look, I was aiming

1047
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: right where I needed to. You just didn't aim. You

1048
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: didn't have a gun dialed in. You know, you didn't

1049
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: have a dialed in right, you know. And he was right,

1050
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: went back and shot and the gun was off, you know.

1051
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: And um, but he'll I can't remember what it was

1052
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: this season. Um, same kind of deal. Idem melt And

1053
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: then I'm like, you, man, I missed several of the

1054
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: rifle hunting. Just do meet, you know, no killing and

1055
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: miss several And he said, uh, he's in the blind.

1056
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: He said, Dad, you will men, you'll meet to shoot one.

1057
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: And like, I'm like, shut your mouth. If I won't

1058
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: want you shoot one, I'll hang you the gun, you know.

1059
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: And and he didn't. He didn't. He thought I was kidding,

1060
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I tried to act like I

1061
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: was kidding. I was serious, Like you should you know,

1062
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: sit there and shut your mouth. Boy, you watch watch me.

1063
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: And he's like why I just and he didn't pick

1064
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: up on that, and he was like he took a

1065
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: step first. He said, I was just figured since you

1066
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: weren't hitting any I can try. Yeah. Uh. They's sitting

1067
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: him home, you know, get back to the truck. Boy.

1068
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: But my kids like it when I screw up to

1069
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: believe me. Yeah, and it yeah, you know, it just

1070
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: is what it is. What are you using for calls?

1071
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: What's what's your go to? Man? I I've got a

1072
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: little bit of everything, but I you know, I've got

1073
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: some mouth calls. I've just been last little a couple

1074
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: of years, been trying to figure out how to you know,

1075
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: just hand make my own calls. Mouth calls. Got a

1076
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: little press now use and so um I'll use you know,

1077
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: mouth calls. That's all my always my goal too. That's

1078
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: tell folks say you got to learn to use a

1079
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: mouth call. I mean, yeah, A box call. To me,

1080
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: I've got a box call sounds as good as anything

1081
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: out there. It's a little Premost uh tall timber Gabriel

1082
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: from Premost, and it's it's not you know, they just

1083
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: started it in the last five years or so, but

1084
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: it just sounds so good. I mean, it's just such

1085
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: a good sound. A box call. I love it. Um,

1086
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, slate calls, whatever. But man, people, you gotta

1087
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: learn use that mouth call because that bird's gonna hang

1088
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: up out there in sixty to seventy yards and you

1089
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: need just a little more, need one little note whatever,

1090
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: let him know, and you reach over that slate call,

1091
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: reach over and wrap off in that box called that

1092
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: little movement that you busted. And so I try to

1093
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: make sure I've always got that mouth call my cheek

1094
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: and encourage people to make sure they know how to

1095
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: use it, just to hit that little note without moving,

1096
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, be able to hit one more one more

1097
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: lick on the call without having to move and and uh,

1098
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, put a call in your hands. So mouth call, uh,

1099
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: that box call is always close by. Again. It's like,

1100
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's got so much more volume. On those

1101
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: windy days, I like to use it and just really

1102
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: want to crank out some volume. And man, I've been

1103
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: carrying a little tooth call. Um, I've got a little

1104
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: tooth call that I've been using and last a little bit.

1105
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: And it's just whatever I can. I can yelp on it,

1106
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: but I can gobble on it. One thing I use

1107
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: a lot is just doing at Jake Calcin you know,

1108
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: on it, you know, sort of that half gobble u

1109
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: or Jake Calcin sound whatever. And um, I think it's

1110
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: just fact. It's something different, you know, not many guys

1111
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: are doing it. It's a sound that you know, a

1112
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of guys really may not know how to do

1113
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: or can't do, and so it's just something different. I'm

1114
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: always looking for something different than everybody else that's got

1115
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: the same old you know, same old call. You know,

1116
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: everybody the brothers got the same box call or you

1117
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: know whatever. Um, just something that will separate me from

1118
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: every other sound that they've heard from, you know, the

1119
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: players out there. So yeah, man, I agree so much

1120
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: on the mouth call thing. Like I think, if you're

1121
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: listening to this and you've never turkey hunted or you're

1122
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: you're you're new to it, you got to learn how

1123
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: to use a mouth call. I mean, there's just you

1124
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: know one. I know. I know a lot of people

1125
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: don't like bow hunting turkeys because you're stuck in a

1126
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: blind generally, but man, you really learn how to get

1127
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: birds in the decoys if you can't move and when

1128
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: you get close birds. You know, if you think about

1129
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: a bird that walks in when you're shotgun hunting, he's

1130
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: thirty yards away and you shoot him in the head

1131
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: and he's old, it's done. But you think about how

1132
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: often when you're bow hunting them where they're hanging up

1133
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: at thirty yards and the hens are in your decoys

1134
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and you listen to that chatter and that back and

1135
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: forth and those content little purrs and clocks and stuff.

1136
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: There's you can do some of that stuff on like

1137
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: a slate call, and I mean you can make some

1138
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: of it happen with other calls, but man, a mouth call,

1139
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: there isn't a call that you can't make. I mean,

1140
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about gobbling my locator call. Now. I gobble

1141
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: with a mouth call all the time, you know, Like

1142
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: you you want to get a bird to sound off

1143
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: on the roost, or you want to get a bird

1144
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: to sound off close, you gobble, you know, And I

1145
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: mean you got to be careful with that, you know.

1146
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: I don't do it nearly as much when I'm on

1147
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: public land obviously, but there's a lot of situations where

1148
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: I can find a bird with that, And it's like

1149
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: if I need to really go and like you said,

1150
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you're running and gunning, like every other

1151
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: call requires some kind of movement typically that mouth call,

1152
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: doesn't you know. And I love for me, my go

1153
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: to is I carry a couple of slates and and

1154
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: some mouth calls, and then that way I can run

1155
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: a slate and I can kind of like back and

1156
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: forth yelp. You know you can do with a box

1157
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: call too. I just like using a slate but sounding

1158
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: like two birds. And then you you know, like if

1159
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: you if you call in a hand like a dominant

1160
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: hen and get her fired up and you listen to

1161
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: that interaction. I mean you almost never do that without

1162
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: striking up a bird somewhere. Like if you get a

1163
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: real hand that comes in and she's hot and she's

1164
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: pissed and you're going toe to toe with her, if

1165
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: there's a gobbler that can hear it, he's gonna gobble

1166
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: and you can. Yeah, and you can do that if

1167
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: you if you're pretty good with a mouth call and

1168
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: a slate caller a box call, you can make that

1169
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: sound happen that interaction. That to me is like ten

1170
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock when you haven't had a gobble for a

1171
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: couple hours. Man, it can be be real good in

1172
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: a hurry. Yeah. Yeah. The first bird I ever killed

1173
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: back in college, had a guy with me from Louisiana.

1174
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: We're up in Virginia, hunt and he came all the

1175
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: way from Louisiana out there. Good, good, Turke hunting back

1176
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: there in late nineties, and um, that's what he did. Man,

1177
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: I've been hunt this place a couple of days and

1178
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: just not do any good. He comes to town and

1179
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: I'll go with him. Man, I'll hope you call an

1180
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: older guy. And sure enough, dude, he had a slate

1181
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: call on one hand, mouth call and he was just

1182
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: eating it up right off the roost. And I mean,

1183
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: we had this gobbler that I killed, marching up the hill,

1184
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: up to side the mountain, come from pitch down, comes

1185
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: marching back up and I shoot the thing. And he

1186
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: was just working that double that dual action calling, slate calling,

1187
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: mouth calling. It sounded so good, Like you said, that

1188
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: gyler got fired up and he wouldn't shut up. Man. Once.

1189
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: He just it's like he said, hey, I want in

1190
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: on this action. These hens are going nuts, and the

1191
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: sound of the calls and he just just as quick

1192
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: as he could go, just coming up the mountain. So

1193
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: it is, man, it's it's putting those sounds out there,

1194
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: keeping it real. Man, that's what folks really. You know,

1195
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: we make out this thing to be a whole lot

1196
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: more than it really is. I mean, you know, the

1197
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: name of the game is just keeping it real. You're

1198
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: painting a picture in that animal's mind. Whatever you do,

1199
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: whether it be scratching in the leaves, those soft subtle sounds,

1200
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is you do, your your decoys, it's all

1201
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: painting a picture in that animal's mind. You know, what

1202
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: are you telling? That's the thing. If we're just keep

1203
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: that in mind, what are you telling that bird? You

1204
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: know when you put the decoys out, when you make

1205
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: those sounds, a lot of guys will you know, they

1206
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: think they're cutting at a bird and they're actually putting,

1207
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,479
Speaker 1: you know, alarm, putting the sound, and you are something

1208
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: that's it's just knowing those different sounds and creating a

1209
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: picture in image in that bird's mind of this is

1210
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: where he needs to be, you know, And what are

1211
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: you gonna say do or show him? Make that happen.

1212
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: You know, when I was growing up, you know, I

1213
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: killed my first bird when I was fourteen, and all

1214
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: the advice was yelped three times and shut up, you know,

1215
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: And then I always hunted every back. Then I had

1216
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: a draw tag in the fall, but I started fall

1217
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: hunting as soon as I started spring hunting. And you

1218
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: call in a flock in the fall, and you're like,

1219
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, these things are making noise constantly, and

1220
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: they're keeping track at each other, and they're getting territorial

1221
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: on their food, like they get real protective of their

1222
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: food sources. And you go, man, there's a whole world

1223
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: of communication going on here that we don't necessarily think about.

1224
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: And then, you know, in the spring, you get out

1225
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: there and you get those hands or kind of busted

1226
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: up and you're just like yop yo. Three times. They're like, Okay,

1227
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: she's just saying she's here. There's nothing to that, you know.

1228
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: But if she's starting to challenge that dominant hen over there,

1229
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: she's real fired up and she's cutting hard. And now

1230
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: there's another hen perr and the clock in or whatever

1231
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: that Now it's like there's something going on there. And

1232
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: think how often you know, you see this a lot?

1233
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: If you scout them, like right before the season opens,

1234
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: you get out there in like late March, and you'll

1235
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: see like that main flock of birds, and then you

1236
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: see that little flock pop out in the corner, and

1237
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: then when they meet up, there's all kinds of turkey

1238
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: sounds going on there. And basically what you're doing out

1239
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: there is you're saying, I got this little flock here,

1240
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: somebody else showed up, and you know how often that happens.

1241
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: Then you look and then there's the big guy in

1242
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: the corner, he's checking things out, or the jake's come

1243
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: running in, and like you said, you're selling something to them,

1244
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: and it's not that interesting. A lot of times to

1245
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: just hear an animal go yeah, I'm here, I'm scratching

1246
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: away like a big deal. Like they hear that all

1247
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: day long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they need to hear something

1248
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: that just listen that response. I mean, they need to

1249
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: hear something that, uh makes it worth leaving what they

1250
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: got to come hang out with you. And a lot

1251
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: of times just just kicking that in off. Some ask

1252
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: THEO the day in a seminar, like, hey, what do

1253
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: you do? You know when he's hind up, You've got

1254
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, you've got hens over there. And I was like,

1255
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: you gotta you've gotta get her, you gotta get her

1256
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: to you, and then you gotta kiss her off. U.

1257
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: I just I started mimicking her. Whatever she said, I

1258
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: say it right back to her. And you know, and

1259
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's everybody loves a cat fight, right, we'd

1260
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: like to see chicks fights. We're gonna go to see that,

1261
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna check that out, we're gonna follow that. And

1262
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: and you get her popping off and you just said

1263
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: it right back with whatever she says, and man, that

1264
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: just drive her crazy. And then, like you said, two

1265
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: flocks coming together and it's good stuff. Yeah, it's I

1266
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: think there's there's something to that too. With those dominant hens.

1267
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: They you know, they're never alone. Yeah, I mean you

1268
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: just watch them. They've got the best food sources. Like

1269
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: they're they'll fight, you know. I mean you you don't

1270
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: see it in the spring. You do see it in

1271
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: the springs, sum you see it in the fall where

1272
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: they come in chest bumping decoys and they're they're just

1273
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: as nasty and ready to fight. And you shoot a

1274
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: bird like you arrow a bird in the fall, those

1275
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: other ones jump right on top of it, and you're like,

1276
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: this is only what Tom's they're supposed to do, but

1277
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: they're all savages and you you start you start thinking

1278
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: about that. You know, you're like, oh, I gotta what

1279
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: do I gotta do to get this Tom in. It's

1280
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: like most of the time, if you just know how

1281
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: to call hens really well, you're gonna win the game

1282
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: every time. Like you know, you get you get a

1283
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: hot bird. He's coming like, he's not that hard to

1284
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: call in that the hen that's just contentedly feeding over

1285
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: there one hundred and fifty yards away. If you can

1286
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: talk her and you win all the turkeys, that's right. Yeah,

1287
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: you just gotta get her fired up. And like you said,

1288
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: she'll come in there, she'll march in there, and she'll

1289
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: bump that decoy. She'll um. And I've seen him to

1290
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: this strutting. You know a lot of people think, oh,

1291
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: you know hen strutting. Yeah, absolutely, you know they're the

1292
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: little half strutt you set fan come out and um

1293
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: and she's ticked man, And she's like you said, she's

1294
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: bumping that decoy, she's raising up on it and just oh,

1295
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: it's a dominant thing. You know. She's not gonna be

1296
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: just like that gobbler's not gonna put up with another

1297
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: gobbler up in his business. She's the same way. You know,

1298
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: this is her stopping grounds and here comes this little

1299
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: hussy and you're talking big talk, and so come in

1300
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: there and straight in the situation out. Yeah, I mean,

1301
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: when you start paying attention to them. That's one of

1302
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: the reasons I love glassing them right before the season,

1303
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: because when they're breaking up and they're starting to fight

1304
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: and get ticked at each other, you just get just

1305
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: a crash course on like dominance and the hierarchy out there.

1306
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget. This was a couple of years ago.

1307
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: I was hunting two two big birds are always with

1308
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: this flock on this farm by my house, and I

1309
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: knew these birds pretty well, and I finally called them

1310
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: in through this this kind of high spot in this

1311
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: swamp and they're on their way back to roost. I

1312
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: was bow hunting them and I shot at the lead tom,

1313
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: and he was the dominant one. He had one buddy

1314
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: with him who was subordinate, and that was it. They like,

1315
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: it was just like clear cut. He was he would strut,

1316
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. And I hit that bird low and get

1317
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: him in the leg and so he started limping. And

1318
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean the instant that that Tom started limping, that

1319
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: other bird puffed up and went over there and started

1320
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: bullying him around. I mean it was like it was

1321
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: like one second and that subordinate time said there's my

1322
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: window and I'm taking it, and I'll bet you that

1323
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: kind of stuff happens to Turkey's every day. I mean,

1324
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: not that specifically, but they're always looking for that look

1325
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: at that off too. Yeah, i mean I've seen it

1326
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: for years. You know how quickly they go from strutting together, buddy,

1327
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: buddy too, I'm gonna stomp your head in the ground

1328
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: now that you're laying there, you know, and they do.

1329
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: They stamp each other, so they're pack them, pick their

1330
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: head up and throw them after they're laying there dead.

1331
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: And it's a it's an interesting game, and you know,

1332
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: I'd love to see more of the science behind that.

1333
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, can we talk about it earlier? When you

1334
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: take out that dominant bird? What happens? You know, can

1335
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: they handle it, can they produce? How long does it

1336
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: take them to get their mojo together and be able

1337
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: to breathe a hen and and be effective not be

1338
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: shooting lanks? You know, there's a lot of that of

1339
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: variables that they say has an impact. But man, it's

1340
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: it's fascinating to watch that happened, you know, to see

1341
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: that's the board, a bird step up and realize that,

1342
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: oh man, the moss sit down. Uh, here's my moment,

1343
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: you know. So it's good stuff. Yeah, it's it's it's

1344
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: pretty cool stuff to see. I wanted to ask you,

1345
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: so I've I've hunted southern birds some like a little bit,

1346
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 1: not not nearly as much as northern birds and birds

1347
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: in the middle of the country. But there's always this

1348
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of uh and I'm totally stereotaping here, but it

1349
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: happens a lot. Southern turkey hunters talk a lot of

1350
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: shit about northern birds. And you you live down there

1351
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, you've probably hunted north and south quite a bit.

1352
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: Like do you see a big difference in the call

1353
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: ability of birds north to south or not? I think

1354
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: for me, the biggest difference is m you know, you

1355
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: hear people say turkey's a turkey wherever. But I think

1356
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is it's just a pressure that comes

1357
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: from the South, the pressure on those birds. I think

1358
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: you take those two birds and put them, you know, put,

1359
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: and everything was equal whatever. But I think just a

1360
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: number of turkey hunters in the South and the pressure

1361
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: that they get, that they get each year, I think

1362
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing. Those birds are just they've heard

1363
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: it all, you know what I'm saying. I think about

1364
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: some of the little places I hunt around town here,

1365
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: and any given day there's a different truck part there

1366
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: and that guy goes in there with his box call

1367
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: and his out his you know, his little hoo flute,

1368
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: and he does his rendition. Next to day another guy

1369
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: does it. And so those birds really get pretty tough,

1370
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: pretty call shop, you know, pretty quick. And I think

1371
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: between the tremendous pressure we've got young people talk about,

1372
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: oh I don't hear Turkey's goble anymore. I think we've

1373
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: got to built that in. I think we've conditioned them.

1374
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: They know. Man, every time I gob will day kyote show,

1375
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, shows up down there. I got a you know,

1376
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: a pack of kyote showing up. Every time I start gobbling,

1377
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: less limb Kyle shows up, or there's a red neck

1378
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: coming down the trail, you know, what's this hoop flut

1379
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: dep You know, we've just got a lot of pressure

1380
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: on our birds, and so I think they're tougher from

1381
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: that standpoint. You know, a lot of guys say, oh, yeah,

1382
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: these southern birds are, they're tougher, smarter birds and what

1383
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: they've got in the Midwest or that you know, up

1384
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: north or whatever. And I don't think it's a smarter bird.

1385
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: I think it's just the fact we've made that we've

1386
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: built that in, you know, we've we've put so many

1387
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: hunters on top of them becoming You go to a

1388
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: private farm around here and you know, West Tennessee, and

1389
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've got some places I'll go and nobody's

1390
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: touched him. And you know, it's the easiest thing the world.

1391
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: You need to go up there and you kill one

1392
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: that's not been messed with. He's not hurt anybody. You

1393
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's, yeah, that's not a hard

1394
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: bird to kill. He's he's an unpressured bird. He's not

1395
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: been messed with. And so um, that's the biggest thing.

1396
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a tougher, a tougher turkey, But not

1397
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: because it's a Southern turkey. I think it's just because

1398
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: it's so many rednecks running around down here, uh, that

1399
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: it's just put so much pressure on them. And I

1400
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: know some of my guys in the Midwest, you know,

1401
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, they hunt around Illinois, Iowa or whatever, and

1402
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: I see some of these crazy hunts where there's forty

1403
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: or fifty birds come blowing in there, opening day and stuff,

1404
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, my gosh, what's the deal. But um,

1405
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, I see, they're they're set

1406
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: up in a blind and they're just if it doesn't happen.

1407
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: If they're blind and that food plot, they don't mess

1408
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: with them. So that's a lot less pressure, you know.

1409
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: They they let the birds go, they slip out of

1410
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: their blind, you know, if they kill them or not,

1411
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: they whatever. There's just a lot less pressure. Um, you know,

1412
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: all in that turkey, in that style of hunting, and

1413
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: so I think it lends it's gonna lend itself to

1414
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: birds are less pressure. You know, they're gonna be more callable. Um,

1415
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest thing for me. Yeah, you're you're right.

1416
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys like, oh, we got tough

1417
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: turkeys down here in the South. It's like, no, you

1418
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: just you just molested them for the last you know,

1419
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: several years, and now they're you know, they're just call

1420
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: shy because of that, not because God built a tougher

1421
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: turkey in the South. You know, man, I'm so glad

1422
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: you said that because I feel, you know, you hear

1423
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: that in the deer world all the time, Like this

1424
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: state's awesome, and this state sucks. This is the hardest state.

1425
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: This is the easiest state. And I just look at

1426
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: that and I go, but on what property, Like, on

1427
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: what property are you basing that on? You know? And

1428
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: I really think a lot of the deer hunting and

1429
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: the turkey hunting opportunities we have now the number one

1430
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: factors pressure just and it doesn't matter if you're in

1431
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania or Louisiana or Iowa or wherever. It's like, lots

1432
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: of pressure makes it real hard, and no pressure makes

1433
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: it pretty damn easy, you know, like relatively speaking. And

1434
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: it feels that way. You know. I hunt birds up

1435
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: here a lot in the late season, you know, between

1436
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: here and Wisconsin, and you know, you get a lot

1437
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: of those silent birds, or you get a lot of

1438
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: those birds that you know, you're just like they're just

1439
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: not really into playing the game anymore because they've been

1440
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: messed with a lot. And it's it doesn't feel any

1441
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: different to me than one I'm hunting public land white tails,

1442
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: or I'm hunt elcout in Colorado and over the counter

1443
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: unit and you're like, man, they're just not very callable

1444
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: here because there's people everywhere they're still killable, like they're

1445
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: still it's still doable. But it's a different game than

1446
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: being in a place where they just don't get messed with. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1447
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: You know, I hear people say Alabama, Mississippi are the

1448
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: toughest start he's you know, anywhere, and um and again,

1449
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to I mean, if you

1450
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: look at Mississippi, I mean you got timber in some parts,

1451
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just a big delta, open country

1452
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: and it's just not not a lot of place for

1453
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: turkey to be. But but going back to pressure, man,

1454
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like I said, I hear it

1455
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: all the time. Miss if you're toughest turkey as ever,

1456
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: well you think about it. I mean what dis Mississippi got.

1457
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: Mississippi has got tons of hunters, they got all the

1458
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, all the major I mean Turkey, A lot

1459
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: of Turkey, the Turkey heritage and culture came from Mississippi.

1460
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: Have massy oak, you got primos, You've got so much

1461
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: turkey business, you know, the whole you know, much of

1462
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: the industry around the Turkey world came out of Mississippi.

1463
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: So it lends itself to be a bunch of dudes

1464
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: that are passionate, religious about turkey hunting and that's life

1465
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: to them. And I get it. I'm right there with it.

1466
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: But it's all the breeding ground for turkey owners right there.

1467
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: And so that's what that pressure, that pressure is, you know,

1468
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of it. Now. I will say this

1469
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: I did. I did do a medium was Premost a

1470
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and we hunted a place down

1471
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: their plantation in Mississippi and I killed a bird and

1472
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, this is only like three this

1473
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: is like the third bird, second or third bird, and

1474
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: like five years have been killed off this place. And

1475
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how much pressure, lack of pressure. Nobody

1476
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: nobody really hunted. They'd like, let a guy come in.

1477
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: You know, one of the Premost guys had gone in

1478
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: the year before and killed a bird. But it was

1479
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: just crazy how tough those birds were tough, very tough

1480
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: and just and there was there weren't a lot of

1481
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: people hunting it, like I said, So that was a

1482
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: tough place. But it was also being timbered, had logging

1483
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: operation going on. Some wonder okay, is it's because of

1484
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: the logging people are in there every day. What you

1485
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: know whatever. But um, I don't want guys to hear

1486
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: this and be like, oh, you know, you know whatever,

1487
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: because I have been on some places down there where

1488
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: we got a hend to us. Man. I mean just

1489
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: just Bud's kick and pressure was not a factor in that.

1490
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: Not hunting, not hunting pressure anyway, but buying large I'd say, man,

1491
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: you know you're looking. You see somebody say these birds

1492
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: are just touf it's it's most time. And I you know,

1493
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: from what I've seen over the years, is because somebody's

1494
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: made those birds tough. Somebody has been in there just

1495
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: run round and around, called at them. They've heard it,

1496
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: seen it done at whatever. And those birds don't they

1497
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: don't put up with that. They learn, they learn where

1498
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: to be, you know, when to say, you know when

1499
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: to speak and when to uh quit that goblin, you know.

1500
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: So it's we put a lot of just like anything.

1501
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not only different deer, man, those deer. No, hey, dude,

1502
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: it's unting seeing here they are here they come again

1503
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: and they start laying low turkeys, turkeys, no when to

1504
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: hold them, when to fold them? Sure, dude, I think

1505
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: you know it kind of a piggyback off of that.

1506
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that that happens so

1507
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: much in hunting is you hear that because I remember talking.

1508
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: I think I was talking to Aaron or Zach from

1509
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: the hunting public about hunting Mississippi and Alabama turkeys, and

1510
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: they're like, we're killing birds, like we're finding them, we're

1511
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: killing them. You know, it's not you know, you hear

1512
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: that these like they're like unkillable, uncallable. It's like, yeah,

1513
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: there's there's still turkeys. And I think what happens often

1514
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: in hunting is we get this general consensus in our

1515
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: head that it's going to be this way or it's

1516
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: going to be that way. You know, like you're never

1517
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: gonna kill like I don't know how many people have

1518
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: told me you'll never kill a big buck on public

1519
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: land in Nebraska. You know, we shoot them all in

1520
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: the you know, with the rifles, and I go down

1521
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, oh my god, Like there's like

1522
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: this is so much better than my private stuff at home.

1523
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: And so you know, you get that. And that's just

1524
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: like one example, but you see this so often like

1525
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: regionally or you know, state by a state where it's

1526
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: like our hunting is the toughest, you'll never do this,

1527
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, now you've made up your mind

1528
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: that you're never gonna do this, Like you mean to

1529
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: tell me that you couldn't spend the whole season down

1530
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: there in Mississippi you know what you're doing and calling

1531
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: a bird. Of course you could. But if you go

1532
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: into it and you think I'm not gonna make it

1533
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: happen because it's too hard, they're they're uncallable, they're never

1534
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna gobble, they're gonna be okay, Well then it's a

1535
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy. That's right. You've talked yourself out of it. Yeah,

1536
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's playing, and a lot of it is.

1537
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's an ego trip too.

1538
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: You know, you hear the same thing about about guys

1539
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: that use it as a crutch. Right, Oh, well, you

1540
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: know we're we're hunting the toughest bird. I didn't kill

1541
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: a bird in three years. But we're also hunting these

1542
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: these birds here in Alabama. They're the toughest birds on earth.

1543
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: So you know that's my reason excuse for not ever,

1544
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, that's my cover up for being a sucking

1545
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: kirky hunter. We're hunting tough birds, you know, or same

1546
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: thing with you're hunting in a public lan. Well, I

1547
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: don't ever kill dear, but it's because I mean I'm

1548
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: hunting public plan. You know. It's like, well, you can't

1549
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: use that, you know, you can't, you know, I mean,

1550
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: just tell people you're not very good. But don't blame

1551
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: your lack of success on the fact that you're on

1552
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: the public piece of property. You know, that's that's not

1553
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: you know whatever. So I mean, um, people use that

1554
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 1: as a crutch. Yes, it's tougher. Yes, you're dealing with people,

1555
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: You're dealing with the pressure, a lot of that stuff,

1556
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: and don't don't use that as a crutch or just

1557
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: like you said, setting yourself up to have that easy

1558
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: out like oh no, I'm hunting you know, I'm hunting Mississippi.

1559
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: It's it's the hardest bird on earth. And you just

1560
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: get that in your mind right off the bat, like

1561
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: I can't you can't call these birds. And you you

1562
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: tell yourself that enough times and you'll you'll talk. Yeah,

1563
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago, I don't do

1564
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: you know what malax lake is? He ever heard of that?

1565
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: So it Malax in Minnesota is sort of like the

1566
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: smallmouth destination. It's like one hundred and fifteen hundred twenty

1567
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: thousand acre bowl that's crystal clear, and it is just

1568
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: a smally factory. But it has gotten really popular. They

1569
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: had a I think it was a bass Angler of

1570
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: the Year tournament or something there a couple of years ago,

1571
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: and a local kid that I used to fish against

1572
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 1: a lot who's just really gotten good at professional fishing

1573
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: named Seth Fighter won it with for three days, he

1574
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: had seventy seventy five pounds of smallmouth, so he had

1575
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: he had a five pound limit every day, which is

1576
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, I mean when you bring in five fish

1577
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: in a day that are against the best anglers in

1578
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: the country, you know, like it's And so anyway, it

1579
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: got real busy, got a lot of publicity, and it

1580
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 1: was popular before. And so you see this in the

1581
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: fishing world where it's like, well the malac smallies get

1582
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: so much pressure that you got to go, you know,

1583
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: finase all the time and you know, six pound floral

1584
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: that they can't see and throw a little hair jigs

1585
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I just we have a place pretty

1586
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: close to there, and I brought my daughter a couple

1587
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: of years ago, and it was pretty windy right away

1588
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: for my boat, and so it was kind of a

1589
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: kind of rough. But I'm I'm throwing swimming jigs just

1590
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: to throw something, and I'm catching Smally's. And I told

1591
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: my buddy about it, and he was like, I can't

1592
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,759
Speaker 1: believe you were catching Smally's in there on swimming jigs.

1593
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, dude, there's small mouth, Like I

1594
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: don't you know. It looks kind of like a mento,

1595
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: looks kind of like a crayfish, like you know what

1596
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean. But you get it in your head that

1597
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: you're like, well, they're so it's gonna be so this

1598
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: way that I have to just like go into this

1599
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: little narrow lane and we see this, you know, you

1600
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: see this all the time. And the THHP guys did

1601
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: this really well in the Deer World, where they showed

1602
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: people like, you know, you think that you can't do

1603
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: this out there, We're gonna show up there and show

1604
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: you you can. And it's almost gone so far with

1605
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: public land way tails where it's like now everybody thinks

1606
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: they're going to go out there and shoot one hundred

1607
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: and fifty insurance, like, well, it's not that easy, that's right. Yeah, yeah,

1608
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: you still gotta be good. That's what people, you know,

1609
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: don't realize that. THP guys they're good hunters, you know,

1610
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: they're they're good at what they do. You know. They

1611
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: they go that put the time in, they leave home

1612
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: for an extended periods of time. They do stuff to

1613
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: make it happen. It's not gonna be you know, hopping

1614
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: down there, you first set, climb up a tree and boom,

1615
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: there's your one fitty. You know, you gotta work for

1616
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to Aaron a few weeks ago

1617
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: two and said the same things. Man, you know, Mississippi

1618
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: is tough. You know we did, we work the butt

1619
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: off for a week and then you finally found them.

1620
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: But but they found them, you know. I mean it's

1621
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: it's you gotta do your homework. You watch enough YouTube

1622
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: and makes it think, makes you think you can go

1623
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: down there and just show up, you know, park at

1624
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 1: the gate, walk down the road and boom here it

1625
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: is the magic happens. But you still gotta work at it, man,

1626
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta put your time in and um,

1627
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: but it is doable. The bottom line, like you said,

1628
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: that's what the hunting could it is showing people that, yeah,

1629
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: you can do it. You know, you grab about your

1630
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: piece of property, your your state being the toughest whatever.

1631
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: They're still showing for Okay, we're strangers showing up and

1632
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: killing birds. I mean it happens, yeah, And I think

1633
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: I think one of the problems with a lot of

1634
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: the YouTube content and some of the other hunting content

1635
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: out there now is you really so you see the

1636
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: success on public Land and you go, that's like that's

1637
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: the keynote thing, right, Like that's the that's the scizzle reel.

1638
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: But if it took seven days and they condensed that

1639
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:39,799
Speaker 1: down to a twenty minute YouTube episode, it's really easy

1640
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: to kind of not think about being there for seven

1641
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: days getting your butt kicked when you see you know,

1642
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, two thirds of the shows devoted to the

1643
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: kill sequence or you know, half of the show, and

1644
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: it's like there might be whole days or you didn't

1645
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: you didn't get exposed to that at all where nothing happened,

1646
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: or you know, it's a lot of walking around looking

1647
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: for signs or a lot of you know, whatever, And

1648
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: so it's sort of a skewed view, but it's yeah,

1649
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's totally do about out there. You know, turkeys, deer,

1650
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: public land, It's all so many good opportunities. Brody buddy,

1651
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: we are out of time here. Man. Uh. It's always

1652
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: a pleasure to talk to you. I wish you and

1653
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: the whole Swisher crew a whole bunch of luck this

1654
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: spring down there on those birds. I hope you guys

1655
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: stack them up. Yeah, man, I appreciate the opportunity, and

1656
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: I do. I look forward to seeing those girls and

1657
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: what they get into each year. So hopefully this year

1658
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: you got the meltdowns and the shot chills, miss shot

1659
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: tails out of the system. I look forward to soon

1660
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: as you guys come up with here in a week's ahead. Well,

1661
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're scouting, we're gonna, we're gonna get on them.

1662
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: Why don't before we shut this down here, why don't

1663
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: you let everybody know where they can find your stuff

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Speaker 1: out there? Yeah? Man, we always got content rolling through

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Speaker 1: at bow hunting dot com or work as editor for that,

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Speaker 1: but also my own personal stuff is hunting roots dot

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Speaker 1: com and so just opportunity there hounty roots dot com

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Speaker 1: website and then the Hunting Roots podcast as well. So

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Speaker 1: I'll be sure to check us out. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: see him there. Yeah, and if you if you go

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Speaker 1: dig deep on that Hunting Roots podcast, you can hear

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Speaker 1: yours truly talking about how I almost left my nuts

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Speaker 1: up on a fence post one time. If you want

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Speaker 1: to hear hear a story about that, we still talk

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Speaker 1: about that and about you every time we cross a fence. Ever,

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Speaker 1: if I promise you I've always never had I never

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Speaker 1: forget that one. So yeah, well I haven't forgot it either, Brodie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, mana to appreciate you. That's it

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Speaker 1: for this week, folks, be sure to tune in next

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Speaker 1: week for some whitetail goodness. We won't be talking about turkeys.

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Speaker 1: We will be talking about dear. This has been the

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Speaker 1: Wire to Hunt podcast, and I'm your guest host, Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 1: As always, thank you so much for listening. And if

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Speaker 1: and a whole slew of white tail addicts, or you

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