1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and Buck with you 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: and Buck. I don't think we should waste much time here. 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: I think we should get to our guests we got today. 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke Eikley one of the best players that I 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 3: have ever seen in terms of scouting, and watch him 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 3: take what we saw him doing college and translate it 9 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: to tremendous success as a pro. Now doing all things 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: with the Carolina Panthers and helping out the little fellas him, 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 3: Greg Olsen, Jonathon is doing us. Some other guys have 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: a little middle school team that they have Roland I 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 3: love checking them out on YouTube. 14 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Todd blackliche as well. 15 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: We're gonna get into that a little bit about his 16 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: youth coaching, as well as what his take is on 17 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: some of these quarterbacks that have turned things around environments, 18 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: good defensive schemes. It's a long, long, raging conversation that 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: I think you're really going to enjoy. Here's our chat 20 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: with the great Luke Keighley. All right, Buck Pump to 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: have Luke back with us. Luke, how are you doing? 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Man? Oh, I'm doing good. It's uh, I'm looking at 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: my window right now. The leaves are changing. It's it's 24 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: getting cooler. It's a little brisk in the morning. And 25 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: this is always my favorite time of the year playing 26 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: because stuff starts to really matter now trade deadline's gone 27 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: and you start playing meaningful games in November December. And 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: we played in Green Bay obviously this past weekend, and 29 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: it was the most perfect day in Green Bay, chilly, 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: little breezy. I love that field that they have, and 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: our boys came out the wind so that the air 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: and the atmosphere and the cool weather and playing on grass, 33 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: and that's this time of the year is what I 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: think about playing football. So it was this is my 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: favorite time of the season. Real quick. Were you no 36 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: sleeves no matter what? See I was, But I didn't 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: like wearing sleeves and games. I always felt like I 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: was constricted, constricted running And then did you ever regret 39 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: it though? 40 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: Like that, like it was just so stinking cold, You're like, wait, 41 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: sweatshirt up, sweatpants at practice. 42 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: I was no skin showing. But what I don't what 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: people don't get, is you get on the field and 44 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, you're only on the field for a 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: couple of minutes at a time, and then once you 46 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: go to the sideline, the benches are heated. I can 47 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: put a jacket on, you can put a hat on. 48 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: There's heaters everywhere. And then you get on the field 49 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: for I don't know a couple of minutes and then 50 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: you're back off. So it's really not that bad. Buck. 51 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: You wore sleeve I'll be well, I'll bet you money 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: you wore sleeves. Yeah, but when you touch the ball 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: you can't wear them. So like I played on teams, 54 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: it was a rule if you're touching the ball. 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: So I was returning kick, so you only can have 56 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: like the mock neck and maybe like it was staft 57 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: sleep yeah, asleep. But you couldn't wear the whole thing 58 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: because you can you can't fill the ball and so 59 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: it gets slick and it to pop out or whatever. 60 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: Not fun. Not fun. 61 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: But I was listening to Luke talking about, oh, we're 62 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: about to play meaningful games. But I heard you before 63 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: you came on looking. I got to admit one of 64 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: my guilty pleasures. It's following you Greg and Jonathan Stewart 65 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: on this you youth ink thing where y'all are getting 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 3: the middle school team. 67 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: So I'm not here. And you talk about not playing 68 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: meaningful games, because. 69 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: The way that you guys were pulling in to finish 70 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: the season, I think you played some meaningful games before 71 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: we got to this point. 72 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what. This is the fourth year 73 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: we've coached. And so Greg's dad coached high school football 74 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: in Jersey forever, and he coached Greg's older brother Chris, 75 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: and his younger brother Kevin, and then obviously Greg, so 76 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: that's been in their blood forever. And then Or Tate's 77 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: Greg's oldest son. When Tate was ready to start playing football, 78 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: Pop Warner and Pop Warner, Greg's like, hey, do you 79 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: want to coach? Greg and I were both done playing. 80 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: Obviously something Absolutely he got Greg's dad, So Greg and 81 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: his dad handle the offense, and then Greg and I 82 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of tagged team the defense. And everyone always says, hey, 83 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: it's so nice that you coach these kids, and we 84 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: tell everybody like, no, thank you for letting us coach 85 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: your kids, because it gives us an excuse to hang out. 86 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: It gives us an excuse to go talk football, gives 87 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: us an excuse to be back out on the grass 88 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: and have our game day. And now we have Stu 89 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart coaches with us and awesome, and then Todd 90 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: blackliche coach with us the last two years. It's just 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: we have a ton of fun doing it. We have 92 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: great kids, and yeah, absolutely every game for us is 93 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: like the Super Bowl. We spend probably way too much 94 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: time breaking tape down trying to figure out, hey, is 95 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: our defense good? What happens if our defense that we 96 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: put in isn't good? What's our fallback plan? Where do 97 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: we need to put guys so they can have success 98 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: and they're maximizing their skill set. It's it's so much fun. 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: But the funny to me, the funniest thing about it 100 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: was when I was playing, you always hated when coaches 101 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: had too much in or we're trying to overcoach or 102 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: do too much, and you just wanted to be like, hey, 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: let us just play four or five defenses, give us 104 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: three or four pressures, and like let us go. And 105 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: then now coaching these kids, you like what if, what if? 106 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: What if? What if? What if? And you can tell 107 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: sometimes the kids or you can see it on their 108 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: bass and I know that exact look and I'm like, 109 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: all right, maybe I need to take a step back. 110 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: Our kids are good. They have a ton of confidence, 111 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: like let him go play fast, let them go play 112 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: fun and encourage them and they'll be just fun. 113 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: I want to ask you this because you said that, 114 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: you know, you guys have done this now for several years, 115 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: and think about like your college years and at that age, 116 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: you you know, you'd go home for a little bit 117 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: of the summer and come back and maybe. 118 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: A teammate would put on like eight pounds or you know. 119 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: He'll you can make these little incremental growth steps as 120 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: at the college agent in the NFL, like probably even 121 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: smaller steps you can take. But when you're coaching kids 122 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: this age's like there's got to be a kid that 123 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: you finished the season thinking this kid's got no shot, 124 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 2: and the next year he comes out and he's put 125 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: on he's four inches taller, he's now got like he's 126 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: got facial hair, and you're like, oh my gosh, like 127 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: this is a different human being. And then some other 128 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: kids kind of plateau. That's got to be wild to 129 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: watch that transformation over those years. 130 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and some of the kids we've had for 131 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: four years. DJA was telling you this. And we had 132 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: a kid that play corner for us the first three 133 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: years we had him, and he was tough, he was physical, 134 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: he wanted contact, it was all about it. But he 135 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: just he hadn't grown yet. And I always wanted to 136 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: move him inside to play backer, but we just it 137 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: just didn't work. And then last season, at the end 138 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: of the year, he started to kind of grow a 139 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: little bit and we're like, hey, we need to move him. 140 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: We need to think about moving him in to play 141 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: backer this year. And then he showed up this offseason. 142 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: We see the kids all year, but they still grow 143 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: quite a bit. He showed up this offseason in our 144 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: little off season program and whatever was June or whatever, 145 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa, he's coming to play backer 146 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: with me. And we're let this kid just go hunt. 147 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: So it's fun because you don't know where where are 148 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: they going to grow, what are they going to turn into? 149 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: Is he is he maxed out with where he is, 150 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: If that's where he's going to be, what we need 151 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: to try to coach him at that position to put 152 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: him insition to be successful in high school? You know? So, 153 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, this kid, his name is his name's JJ 154 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: JJ has been one of my little my little dudes 155 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: for four years and he's been tough, he's been physical, 156 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: and then they grew this year and he was a 157 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: monster playing inside for us. So great, it's so great. 158 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, now back to your Panthers, because I saw you 159 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 3: guys week one and to see the team now play 160 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: the way that they're playing. And I always believe that 161 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: franchises have a blueprint for being able to win. When 162 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: I was back there working in the early two thousands, 163 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: it was run the ball, play defense. Dan Morgan was 164 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: the centerpiece of that defense with Pep and those other guys. 165 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: I see when you guys, you and Thomas Davids are playing, 166 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: it's kind of like the same thing. It looks like 167 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: I turned back the clock and it's the early two 168 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: thousands again. 169 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: Watching this team. 170 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: Run the ball with Rico o'dodell, the way they're playing 171 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: on defense. 172 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: Just talk about their style. Yeah, I think for us 173 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: we've leaned. We've leaned on the run game. The run 174 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: game has been really good for us. For I think 175 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: it'd be it'd be tough to talk about a run 176 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: game and not talk about the offensive line. Coaches Joe 177 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: Gilbert and Harold Goodwin have been phenomenal. We started our 178 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: off season with Iki Quantu playing left guard, Robert Hunt 179 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: playing left yeah, left tackle Ikey and then Robert Hunt 180 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: left guard, and then we had Austin Corbett at center, 181 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: and then Damian Damian Lewis and then Taylor moden In. 182 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: The amount of combinations that we've had at that position 183 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: this year and had no drop off whatsoever has been phenomenal. 184 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: And I think Dave Canalis has a really good feel 185 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: for what our team is good at, what allows us 186 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: to win. He has zero ego, which is just in 187 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: this day and age is sometimes hard. But he said, hey, 188 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm want to do everything we can 189 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: to put our team in position to have success. So 190 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: our I think our blueprint is, Hey, let's played tough 191 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: on defense, Let's have the ability to run the football. 192 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: Let's throw us some play action. Let's tighten up in 193 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: the red zone. I don't care if they drive big field. 194 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: Can we tighten up in the red zone and either 195 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: forced turnovers or have them kick field goals. And that's 196 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: kind of been been our successful formula this year is 197 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: control the run game, not turn the ball over, tighten 198 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: up in the red zone and play tough d and 199 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: keep ourselves in the game so we can lean on 200 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: that run game throughout the throughout the whole game. 201 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: That's been fun. I'll be honestly, I want to watch 202 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: the game last week because I hadn't watched much of them, 203 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: and I'm watching it and I had to pull up 204 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: our lads because I'm like, who the heck are all 205 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: those guys like Yosha yosh Not even really you know, 206 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: he was in there filling in and doing his thing, 207 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: but you know, watching this tape and watching them we've 208 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: talked a lot about this year is kind of this 209 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: this theory that we've been kind of hitting, and I 210 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: want to get your thoughts on it, Lucas. We talk 211 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: about like a culture of a team when you're when 212 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: you're little, guys are physical, like in other words, when 213 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: you're receivers in your corners play physical, and when you're big, 214 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: guys chase and run. And you see offensive lineman working 215 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: to finish, you see defensive lineman chasing plays. Just speaks 216 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: kind of like a competitive culture that you've cultivated there, 217 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 2: and it's it seems like Carolina definitely has that wee 218 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 2: thing you. 219 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: Talk about big guys run, and I think the one 220 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: guy that we've been so happy to have back has 221 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: been Derek Brown. He's a lobster, he can play every play. 222 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: But the one thing that I think you look for, 223 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: especially in a young defense, is what's the identity of 224 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: what we want to do. So Derek is that guy. 225 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: J Horns one of those guys, and we've got more 226 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: dudes that are that type of guy. But when you 227 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: watch Derek Brown play, he takes on double teams, he's 228 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: physical at the point of attack. He throws the guys 229 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: on the ground, he doesn't get moved. He's a great 230 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: interior pass rusher, but he runs from sideline to sideline. 231 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: I can't tell how many times he's been in the 232 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: stack inside getting blocked. They throw a swing pass and 233 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: ninety five is running full speed at three hundred and 234 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: forty pounds and knocking dudes out on the sideline. And 235 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: I think as a young guy, when you come in 236 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: or some of these free agents that we brought in, 237 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: you look to what's acceptable on our team, and that's 238 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of where people start. And when you watch Derek 239 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: Brown play, say, hey, I don't know where I came from, 240 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: but hey, when you come to Carolina, this is how 241 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: we're going to play defensive line. And Todd Washington d 242 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: line coach, there has been phenomenal. I think Derek Brown 243 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: would say the same thing. But Derek epitomizes what we 244 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: want to be on defense, and the whole defense revolves 245 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: around him and plays physical and plays with great effort. 246 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: And he's been great to have back, not only as 247 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: a player on the field, but you need that presence, 248 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: you need that dog, You need that alpha that people 249 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: just look at and say, hey, if I'm going to 250 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: play defense for the Carolina Panthers, an ab a lot 251 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: like him. You know. 252 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 3: It's funny, Look, you talked about that, and you guys 253 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: had great cultures when you were there. Talk about the 254 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: peer pressure to get everyone to play and perform at 255 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: that standard. Because you can talk about, hey, look at 256 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: Derek Brown, but there's also this quiet, unspoken standard that 257 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: you must play with. If you're gonna play with us, 258 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: if you're gonna be one of the eleven on the field, 259 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: you got to know how we get down. How do 260 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: you go about building that out? Is that a coast 261 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 3: lift thing? Is that a player lifting? I think it's both. 262 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 3: I think the players have to believe it in their heart, 263 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: like Derek Brown. Derek Brown needs to go be Derek Brown, 264 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: but he also needs to be backed up by the coaches. 265 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: If Derek sees something that he believes is an issue 266 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: and he makes a comment about it, he's got to 267 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: have the backing of the coaches, or at least be 268 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: able to have a conversation with the coaches where hey, 269 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: we're on the same page. I understand what you're saying, Derek, 270 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: this is what we see. But at the same time, 271 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 3: we're moving in the right direction. So I think it's 272 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: both player led and coach led, and all of our 273 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: guys do that. I think there was a play on Sunday, so. 274 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: JC playing corner doesn't get any action right he sits there, 275 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: he guards a boundary portion of the field. No one 276 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: throws at him. And they threw a little glance rout 277 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: in the end zone the Romeo Dobbs against Green Bay, 278 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: and it was probably one of the only routes. Jac 279 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: haddle day and great spot, eyes in the right place 280 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: converted knocked the ball down at the Always thrown in 281 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: the right spot is probably an interception. So we have 282 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: it at all levels of the defense, And when I'm 283 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: getting at with JC is you have to stay mentally 284 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: engage all game at that corner spot because your job 285 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: is boring, boring, boring, boring, boring until it's not. So 286 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: JC gets those reps at practice, he takes them seriously, 287 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: He goes through his progression each play during the game, 288 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: and then when that moment of that opportunity pops up, 289 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: he's there to capitalize. So I think as a young guy, 290 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: when you come in and you look at this defense, 291 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: whether it's Derek Brown and you're in the mix, every player, 292 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: you're j C. Horn and you're playing off and you're 293 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: not getting any action. When your number gets called, you're 294 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: expected to go make a play on the football. And 295 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: I think it's player led, it's coach led, but it's 296 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: also Dan Morgan and brand tillis. What kind of guys 297 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: do you bring into this team? Are they willing to 298 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: play physical or are they willing to play the brand 299 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: of football that you're going to play. Are they willing 300 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: to kind of not conform but fit into what you 301 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: want to do as far as culture and scheme and 302 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: how we do things. And I think it's all three 303 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: of those things. Get put together the players, the coaches, 304 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: but the GM and the front office have to do 305 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: a good job of bringing the right type of guy 306 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: and that allows him to mix in with the guys 307 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: that we already have. 308 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great challenge, is trying to 309 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: identify those guys and how do you go about doing that. 310 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about, you know, the right questions 311 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: when you get to know players, Like what's a good 312 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: question to elicit a good answer? And I was talking 313 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: to one of our buddies of the show, Ken Coleman's 314 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: written a bunch of leadership books and I ran it 315 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: to him in Nashville and I said, Hey, I'm always 316 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: looking for new questions, like give me, give me a 317 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: question you can ask a player you can learn something 318 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: interesting about him. And he said, ask him what pisses 319 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: him off? And he's like, okay, I've never asked that. 320 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: So I'm going to let you be the first person 321 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: as a player. Look what pissed you off? 322 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: Effort? Effort and lack of attention to detail and not 323 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: thinking that details are important. And you saw that a 324 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: lot in the run game. Hey where are your eyes? 325 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: Where are you closing to? Are you the end man 326 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: on the line scrimmage, make sure we squeeze all the 327 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: way to the hip of that end man on the line. 328 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: Because you're the edge player, your inside foot has to 329 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: be up because if you're outside foots up your clothes 330 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: making a play, you know, going away from the line 331 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. All these little things that seem dumb. Where 332 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: my pad level is as a linebacker when I'm taking 333 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: on a guard, where are my hands? Where are my feet? 334 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: Where are my eyes? How much of this offensive linement 335 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: am I taking on? All that stuff is so easy 336 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: to do in practice, especially in walkthroughs. Let's not make 337 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: it close, because when you go into a game, you're 338 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: going to fall back to however you practice, and these 339 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: little small details have a huge have a huge role 340 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: and whether you have success or whether you fail inside games. 341 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: So I think to me, lack of detail and lack 342 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: of urgency and walk through periods was a big deal 343 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: for me. That's great. I mean I can see it 344 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: because I'm ready to I can feel the intensity. How 345 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: he would be a new It's not me to me, 346 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: it's yeah, we can all do that. It's easy. You 347 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: can feel it. Yeah, I can feel that, and It 348 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: shows the other thing too, It shows is walk through specifically, 349 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: like it shows how important this is to you. The 350 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: way you go through walk through, the way you have 351 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: your pad, level that your pad, you know where my 352 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: hands are, where my feet are, where my eyes are, 353 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: the urgency at which you put your hands on somebody 354 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: in walk through. All that says to me is hey, 355 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: number one, do I know what I'm doing? And then 356 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: number two, how important is it to me? And how 357 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: important it is to you? Shows how important you feel 358 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: like our job of playing defenses to the rest of 359 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: your team. That's great looke. 360 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: It appears that I mean, you're there watching, we're in 361 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: the midst of a renaissance when it comes to the 362 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: running game and those things. 363 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: So that means. 364 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: Defensively, it's appearing that there was a two or three 365 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: year period where were talking about, Hey, we'll let the 366 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: opponent run. We're going to take away the explosives in 367 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: deep ball. Oh, we had a time there where we 368 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: may need to go back to our old school defensive 369 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: philosophies and making sure we shut down the run before 370 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: we prioritize the other parts of playing great defense. 371 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: I think the run game it depends on who you 372 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: talk to about the run game. I think the run 373 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: game is super important at the end of the game 374 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: when you're trying to when you're trying to mill clock, 375 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: you're trying to run a clock out. And then in 376 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: specific situations, you know when when you need to run 377 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: the ball and they know you need to run the ball. 378 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: I think that's when it's important. But I still think 379 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: the passing game and the explosive nature of downfield throws 380 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: is what's going to control of the NFL. Still, I 381 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: don't think I think running is important. We've had a 382 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: lot of success running the football, but I think big 383 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: plays allow you to score points quickly, which ultimately I 384 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: think leads to the most success. 385 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: I never asked you this before, but we in baseball 386 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: we used to have player managers, and then in the 387 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 2: NBA you had Bill Russell who was playing and then 388 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: and then managing. I'm not asking, I'm not saying, could 389 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: player be a head coach in the NFL. I don't 390 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: think that's possible. But if you've got someone I'm just 391 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: talking about someone with your background, experience, intellect, where you 392 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: got to at the peak of your power, you think 393 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: you could have called the defense at that point absolutely why. 394 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: I think that there's way too much going on as 395 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: a player that you're worrying about that you don't get overall, like, 396 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: you don't get over like trends in the game, who's in, 397 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: who's out? There's too much information? Is it? So? Is it? 398 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: Is it eleven personnel and not all eleven personnel is 399 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: the same? Right? Like last week when we played Green Bay. 400 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: Is it twelve personnel and Tucker crafts in the game 401 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: or is it twelve personnel with two big tight ends? 402 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it twenty one run game? Is it 403 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: two fullbacks? Or is it two running backs? And then 404 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: right after the play you got to think about all 405 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: that stuff. I think there's way too much going on 406 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: in the game. Maybe some guys can I certainly couldn't 407 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: think about. You play a snap, you wake, you get 408 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: up off the ground. You're trying to figure out I'm 409 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: looking at the jumbo tron usually trying to figure out, Hey, 410 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: what happened the previous player in the run game? Where 411 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: did that ball hit? All? Right? Hey, maybe I need 412 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more shifted. Run that guard 413 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: in the B gap. And you don't have time to 414 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: think about like all right, it's third and seven. They're 415 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: bringing in, you know, eleven personnel, and their eleven personnel 416 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: has like we were playing the Saints. Was it mark 417 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: Ingram or is it darren Sprolls right boom right now, 418 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: it's eleven personnel with these guys, there's too much going on. 419 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 2: How many people For those that don't know, how many people, 420 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 2: like headset wise, you don't get to hear them, but 421 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: how many people were involved in that process in terms 422 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 2: of identifying the personnel that was on the field. I'm 423 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: sure you have somebody who knows tendencies based off the 424 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: numbers they have in front of them, like how many 425 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: people are collaborating before that call gets into your headset? 426 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you got guys in the booth that can 427 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: see everything super easily, right, So that's kind of how 428 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: we started. In Carolina. McDermott was in the booth, so 429 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: he had his crew up there that could see it. 430 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: So they probably relate to mcdee hey, this is a personnel. 431 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: McDermott makes a call down to the field to hold them, 432 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: how holk them gives me the call in my headset, 433 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: that was kind of our process, I believe, and I 434 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: think that's that allows everybody to do their specific job, right. 435 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: McDermott when he was calling defenses for us, he's up there, 436 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: he's looking at situation field down in distance. Then he 437 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: gets the plate. Then he gets a personnel grouping. All right, 438 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: boom out of this personnel grouping. This is what we like? 439 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: All right, what do we bhoom? We like this? Let 440 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: me give it to aw Al gives it to me. 441 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: That's the fault. And it all happens. I mean, it's 442 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: a forty second guys, a forty second play block cut 443 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: shuts off at my headset shuts off at fifteen. So 444 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: that stuff all happens in like ten seconds. It's wild. 445 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: So what's so funny is not being able to call it. 446 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: I didn't disagree that he couldn't call it because, un 447 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: to Cunningham, when I was in Kansas City, he was 448 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator, Donnie Edwards was to Mike linebacker practice. 449 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 3: We would situationally say Donnie, you have to call it 450 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: because if the headphones go down, if anything goes down, 451 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: I need you to think about the game the way 452 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 3: that I think about it. And so we would go 453 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: these two two minute drives in game where Donie's called 454 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: in the defense because we can't get everything communicated. So 455 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: I still believe that there's ways to have AFC automatic fronts, coverages, 456 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 3: things that you can call, things that you can get 457 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: us to based on one Hew, you and Thomas Davis 458 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: worked together. Did I know that y'all have a yin 459 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 3: and yang to kind of get it figured out? I 460 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: do want to go. Do you feel like the players 461 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: should be empowered sometimes to override some of the calls 462 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 3: that come in from the sideline based on what they feel, 463 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 3: what they see. 464 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely in MC Germany gave that to us all the time. 465 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: I'd always watch tape with him on Saturday nights before 466 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: games and with those guys, and I just say, hey, 467 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: I want to know what you're thinking, why you're thinking. 468 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: So we'll just run through a game real quick and 469 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: call stuff and let me know kind of why you're thinking. 470 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: So I agree with you on that, And then in games, 471 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: you know, kind of you guys asking a question. I'm 472 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 1: thinking about it a little bit more. I always wanted to go. 473 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: I had like a checklist in my mind of like, 474 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: all right, hey, it's third and seven the in the 475 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: right hash, here's their top concepts out of you know, 476 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: out of their third and seven window that we've seen. 477 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: All right, let me think of where I'm going to 478 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: be and then I get a play call, and then 479 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: how does that that play call match up with what 480 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: I've been going through? So that was kind of my process. 481 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: But then Sean McDermott always gave us a really good, 482 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: great flexibility to change stuff. So say we were bringing pressure, 483 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, Thomas was pressuring, and they saw the pressure 484 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: and they were able to slide protection pre snap and 485 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: they're going to have it blocked up. It's you know, 486 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: it's seven man protection on third down. We don't want 487 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: to deal with that. McDermott would say, hey, look, if 488 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: you guys see something and you don't like it, here's 489 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 1: your three calls that you guys can get to and 490 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: it's on you guys to make sure that it gets 491 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: communicated across the board. So there we did have some 492 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: creativity within our defense. If we got into a situation 493 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: and we really we really didn't like it, we had 494 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: the ability to change stuff. But I think for the 495 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: most part, I trust it. You know, mcdee and Steve 496 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: Wilks and Eric Washington, those are the coordinators in Carolina 497 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: to put a call to make us, make us put 498 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: us in a position to be successful. Yeah, I just 499 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: think I don't know this conversation that's ever been had before. 500 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: That's why I think it's fascinating. I think for me, 501 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: I would have loved to been like, hey, I want 502 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: to play quarters right here, I want to blitz right here. 503 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: But I think it'd be you could do it for maybe, 504 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of plays throughout the game, but 505 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: I think it would have been too mentally draining for 506 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: me to do the whole game, because think about it, 507 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: it's you're in a third quarter. Hey, this is a situation, 508 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: this is where they are on the field. We've seen this, this, 509 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: and this. What are the top concepts out of twelve 510 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: personnel that I've seen, Like, there's I think there was 511 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: just too too much going on. I think it would 512 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: have slowed my on field processing to have to add 513 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: one more thing. Yeah, that's an interesting though. 514 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: Man, Just think about all that goes into just one 515 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: one play call in the execution of it. One of 516 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 2: the things that's been a theme a little bit really, 517 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: not just this year, but the last few years. We've 518 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: seen and guys that were in Carolina. We saw Sam 519 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: and Baker go on have success elsewhere. This year, Daniel 520 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: Jones has kind of become that guy. Were there times 521 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: when you were playing where you were getting ready for 522 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: a team and you might be with the staff and 523 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: those meetings going like, Okay, look this quarterback is talented 524 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: or this quarterback's got some ability, but he has no 525 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: chance based on maybe it's the system he's in, whether 526 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: it's the supporting cast that he has. But I mean, 527 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: did you see that You remember having those moments of 528 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 2: being able to separate the player from the environment and saying, 529 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: this guy, I don't care how good he is, he 530 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: doesn't really have a chance. 531 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: You know what, That's a that's a good, good question. 532 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever. I'm trying to think 533 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: through games where I'm like, hey, this quarterback's a really 534 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: good player, but he doesn't have the tools around him. 535 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: I think some of it is like is just how 536 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: do they match up with their skill their skill positions outside? 537 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: You know, you look at think about Green Bay this 538 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: past week. Green Bay's offense, they go into the Seeds, 539 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: they go into the game, Christian Watson, Tucker Kraft, the rookie, 540 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: the rookies golden right, yep, and those guys all left 541 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: the game. So if you're Matt Lafleur, where do you 542 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: go with your script when your top three weapons are 543 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: out of the game. I think that's more kind of 544 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: where it gets to is what does this coach have 545 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: or what does this quarterback habit his disposal versus what 546 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: does he not have that they typically do? 547 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 3: You know, I want to ask you this because a 548 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: lot of times people talk about scouting players, How often 549 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: did you scout the opposing coordinator? Like it's one thing 550 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 3: to do that, but like I believe everybody. 551 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: Has a pet called, they have things. 552 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 3: Did they get to regardless of who they're playing whatever, 553 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: Like when they get to twenty yard line this is 554 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: their go to call? Did you spend time also trying 555 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: to scout the coordinator to have a feel for what 556 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: he's thinking, what he tends to like in certain situations. 557 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting. Kyle Shanahan was always that guy 558 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: for us. Right, So when I was a rookie, Shanahan 559 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: was in Washington with his dad, and then I think 560 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: he was there maybe a year or two when I 561 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: was playing, And then in twenty. I want to say 562 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: it was twenty fourteen years and she was in Cleveland, 563 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: and then in fifteen he was sixteen seventeen, maybe he 564 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: was in Atlanta, and then obviously he's been in San 565 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: Francisco ever since. I don't know if that timeline is 566 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: exactly correct, but I would always keep my notebooks and 567 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: so then when we'd go play the Shanahan led offenses, 568 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: I'd go back to that notebook, like, hey, we're the 569 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: same defense. We're going to probably play a lot of 570 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: cover three, we're going to be in overfront, we're going 571 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: to play quarters in the high red zone. This is 572 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: what we look like on third down? How did he 573 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: attack us? You know, from year to year to year, 574 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of there's a lot of similarities. 575 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: And then guys, I can always have stuff that's different, 576 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: that's new that he's set up over the year. He 577 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: set up probably going years back. But that was a 578 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: really good example for me of, hey, this is what 579 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: Kyle looked like in twenty twelve as I was a rookie, 580 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: and then we played him in you know, twenty nineteen, 581 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: my last year when he was in San Francisco. In 582 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: the overarching principles in the field of that team felt 583 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: very similar from year one, even though they had RG 584 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: three as a quarterback, to you know, year eight, my 585 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: last year with them in San Francisco. So that was 586 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: one thing that I always looked at was how are 587 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: they changing from year to year to year with. 588 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: The same coordinator. Uh, look, we just get another couple 589 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 2: of minutes with you here. But the Denver Broncos defensively, 590 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: we've talked a lot about them this year, just with 591 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: how they've played and how they're, you know, on a 592 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 2: historic pace in terms of ruction of the quarterback. When 593 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: you have a defense, when you've got fastballs like they 594 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: do coming off the edge, and then you marry it 595 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: up with the scheme there with Van Jose where you 596 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: don't know where they're coming from. What it just seems 597 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: like when you marrying up your scheme with your players. 598 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this in a little bit 599 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 2: earlier in this discussion, but just how important and vital 600 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: it is to know what you have and how you 601 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: marry those things together. 602 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it comes down to ego 603 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: of these coaches. Are you more concerned about highlighting your 604 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: guys in putting them, putting them in position to have 605 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: success or are you more? Are you more worried about 606 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: what your defense looks like to everybody else? And I 607 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: think Vance Joseph has a great feel for what they're 608 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: good at, what his guys like to do. As rushers 609 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: are obviously obviously really good. They've got good flexibility with 610 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: those guys that they can move them around. And that 611 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: was one thing that I think I was super fortunate 612 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: with McDermott and Carolina is he always wanted us to 613 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: do what we were most comfortable doing, regardless of maybe 614 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: what he wanted to do on the defensive side of 615 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: the ball. He would always come to us and say, hey, 616 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: what do you like? What don't you like? And it 617 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: had less to do with him and the scheme and 618 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: what he thought was good, and he didn't want to 619 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: be the mastermind behind everything, and it was more how 620 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: can I put my guys in position to have success? 621 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: And how can I put my guys in position where 622 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: they feel comfortable and they feel they can play really fast. 623 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where Vance is with that 624 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: defense and Denver, obviously the feel and the overarching structure 625 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: of that defense is one thing but when you have 626 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: studs that can go, let's let those guys go do 627 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: what they do best. 628 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 3: Look if you could come back and just play for 629 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: one year, but you could pick any defense, any defensive 630 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: scheme to go play in. 631 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: Who would you want to play for? And why? I mean, 632 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: it's it's easy for me. I love the Sean McDermott defense. 633 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: That's what I grew up in, That's what I played. 634 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: I've got a great feel for it. I understand. I 635 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: know where my stresses, I know where I have issues. 636 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: I know where I can be aggressive. I know how 637 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: even watching me we played them, I don't know it 638 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: was two weeks ago. Watching that defense, it makes me 639 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: smile because in the low red zone they called a 640 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: couple of plays and I'm like, guys, I know exactly 641 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: what this play call is, and that was what I 642 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: would I would go back and play for that for 643 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. Number One, I love Sean McDermott. 644 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: Number two, the linebacker coach Al Holkam was to coach 645 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: me for a majority of my career in Carolina. Bobby Babbage, 646 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator, was in Carolina for a year or 647 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: two maybe when I was here, so I know that defense. 648 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of confidence in that defense. I 649 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: know where to be, I know where to line up, 650 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: I know where my eyes are. I was a fantastic 651 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: coach for me, so I think it's an easy one 652 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: for me to get it. 653 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: I got a quick because I'm curious because on paper, 654 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: on the surface, it appears that they're not playing with 655 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: like a bunch of a level guys, but the unit 656 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: plays really really will What is it about this game? 657 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: What is it about Sean that he can get a 658 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: bunch of. 659 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 3: Unherded players to play at the level that they traditionally 660 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: play at year after year. 661 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: I think they play extremely hard. I think they fly around. 662 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: I think they hit. I think that they do a 663 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: great job of coaching the guys that aren't the starters. 664 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: In the event that guys get hurt, you plug another 665 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: guy in and it doesn't It just doesn't matter, you know, 666 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: and you've got guys that want to be there. You 667 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 1: look at Jordan Poyer at the end of his career, 668 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: he could be anywhere he wants to be in Buffalo, 669 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: and when they put him in the game, he understands 670 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: that defense to the point where, hey, maybe physically I'm 671 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: a little bit limited, but I know exactly where I 672 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: got to be. I know where my stresses, I know 673 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: where my help is, and you can go play faster. 674 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: I think Sean and Brandon being up there, I've done 675 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: a really good job of finding guys that are going 676 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: to play really hard, that are going to play really physical, 677 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: and they do a great job of coaching the guys 678 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: at the second and third level that allow them to 679 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: have success. If you know at Oliver gets dinged or 680 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: Rousseau's out, or you know Milano's out or Bernard's out, 681 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: the linebackers, they can plug guys in and have to 682 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: zero drop off, and then when those guys get back 683 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: to healthy again, they plug them right back in. So 684 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: I think they take a lot of pride in coaching 685 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: not just the starters, but everybody else. 686 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: All those guys played with tremendous effort even as college 687 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: players coming up too, So it's kind of in their 688 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: DNA last one. I'm gonna let you run here the 689 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: uh you know, the scouting side of things, which I 690 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: know you're fully capable of doing a lot of times 691 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: when you're looking at young players, it's okay, what is 692 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: he now? Strengths and weaknesses. Where does he need to 693 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 2: get better to get where you want to go. So 694 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you to give me a scouter report 695 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: on your dog. 696 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know what the scout on your 697 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: report on her is, she is the best dog. But 698 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 1: she she likes being in the mix. She's mad that 699 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: you guys didn't give her a camera to come to her. 700 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: She wants microphone, she wants in on it. Maybe she 701 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: was a little bit disappointed that I said Buffalo and 702 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: not Carolina. So I think she's she's trying to voice 703 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: her opinions and now she where she is. She's she's 704 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: laying down, facing away from me with this little bit 705 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: of silence and not looking at me. 706 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 4: So, oh yeah, I gotta go give her. I gotta 707 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 4: go get her coach. She coached, gave her a t 708 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: R E A T. She's, uh, she's very coachable. She's 709 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 4: a great dog. But you know what, she just wants 710 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 4: to be in the mix. 711 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: And she felt like she felt like she needed a 712 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: microphone today. Yeah. 713 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: The t R E A T. By the way, that's 714 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: just the helmet sticker. That's that's a good performance exactly. 715 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: Helmets. She's going to show back right up over here. 716 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: Get her to come on. 717 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: If I I wanted to hear me say treat, could 718 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: she hear me say treat? 719 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Oh, she just got up. She's walking over here. Now 720 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: we gotta handle that thing down. I'm backwards here. 721 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you need a treaty. 722 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: There, you see her, you see your Yeah, intreat, intreat. 723 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna run, She's gonna run to the laundry room 724 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: where we keep them on. Better be waiting for one 725 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: from you and one from Blacky mccar. 726 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic. Hey, I've enjoyed talking to both of you, Luke, 727 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 728 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not so interesting or she's already laughing. Hey, dude, 729 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: you are the absolute best. You always carve out time 730 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: for us and we appreciate you. Man, absolutely. 731 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, well block there he goes, always generous and 732 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: uh and I always feel like I learned something. By 733 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: the way, what are your thoughts on the new question 734 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 2: getting in the mix there? Oh, I guess the language. 735 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: That's okay, right, we can say pissed off, but like. 736 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: It is interesting. 737 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: He gave a great answer. He talked about the attention 738 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 2: of detail, the lack of focus and the walkthroughs. I 739 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 2: thought that was fascinating. 740 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: Well, what it less, you know, is a little peek 741 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 3: inside what your standards are. What your standards are not 742 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: only for yourself but for the people that you're around. Uh. 743 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: When Keith talks about that, he talks about the effident 744 00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: attention to details. 745 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: I mean, just think about it. He talked about it 746 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: a walk through. 747 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: Just how everyone needs to have the antennas up and 748 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: locked in and ready because the things that we covered 749 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 3: this walkthrough gonna be the things that pop up in 750 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 3: a game. 751 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: And if you're not ready, locked in and focused, I'm. 752 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: Gonna be really upset at you if you messed this 753 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 3: up in a game, because it's a thing that you 754 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 3: can control. You can control your ability to focus and 755 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 3: make sure that you take in all the information so 756 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 3: you're ready to play your best on Sundays. 757 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: No doubt. Anyway. 758 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: So that was a fun conversation. Hope you guys enjoyed 759 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: it as much as we have. 760 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: What encourage you? 761 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: Check out the other episodes from earlier this week if 762 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 2: you missed those, and we'll see you next time right 763 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: here on those sticks