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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast. Okay, episode

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Speaker 1: three of season thirteen, gaddets, I have to say this

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Speaker 1: is this was hands down my favorite episode. And I'm

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Speaker 1: a little jealous that we did not get rat Pack

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Speaker 1: Night when I was on it last year because I'm

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Speaker 1: obsessed with Frank Sinatra. I love all of his songs.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a huge, huge, huge fan. I have

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Speaker 1: a really good Frank Sinatra story that I feel like

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Speaker 1: I just need to share. I've told you before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So one of my someone that I worked with in

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Speaker 1: the music industry, older, older gentleman, he said he had

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Speaker 1: the best Frank Sinatra story, and so he told me,

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Speaker 1: and I just remember this being so cool. So he

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Speaker 1: was at a restaurant when he was in I think

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Speaker 1: it was like high school or something, and he was

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Speaker 1: on a date and he sees Frank Sinatra in this

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Speaker 1: Frank's table and he's like, oh my gosh, I'm such

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Speaker 1: a big fan, like Frank, You're just amazing, and I

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Speaker 1: mean just just saying all this stuff to Frank Sinatra

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Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, I'm on a date. And

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Speaker 1: I would just be so cool because the girl had

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Speaker 1: walked away to the bathroom, so it could be so

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Speaker 1: cool if you could just, you know, maybe come over

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Speaker 1: to the table and pretend that you knew me. And

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Speaker 1: Frank just looks up and it's just like dead pan

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Speaker 1: staring at him, gives him no reaction whatsoever, not like

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Speaker 1: a oh, hey, nice to meet you, or like hi, yes, sure,

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Speaker 1: just I mean, like nothing. So then he's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to interrupt your meal, like apologies, Sir Sinatra,

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Speaker 1: like you know, and goes back to his meal and

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Speaker 1: his lady comes back, and so when they were wrapping

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Speaker 1: up the dinner, Frank comes over, comes over to the

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Speaker 1: table and he's like, I'm just going to make up

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Speaker 1: his name, but he's like Freddy, good to see you

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Speaker 1: a long time. He's like, how you been kid, and

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Speaker 1: he's like it was just just astounded that he that

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Speaker 1: date was just so impressed that he She's like, how

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Speaker 1: do you know Frank Sinatra. He's like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we go way back.

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Speaker 2: I've been funny if he said his girlfriend or the

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Speaker 2: person he's on the date with.

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Speaker 3: God, he's so rude. Went up to speak to him.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't say, I know, right, But I just

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Speaker 1: ever since Sountu and I'm like, I love his music

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Speaker 1: and he's so good. But to start the show of

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Speaker 1: the rap Pack theme, Robin Think came out singing fly

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Speaker 1: Me to the Moon, and I mean, he is just

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Speaker 1: such an amazing crooner, you know, like he's amazing. It's

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Speaker 1: what they're called, like that type of singers like Michael Buble.

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Speaker 3: Oh right, okay, yeah, yeah, yes, he's excellent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so so, so good. So I just

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Speaker 1: what we're What was your thought of the opening?

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Speaker 3: What was my thought of the opening? I was exciting

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Speaker 2: The opening's always good regardless of the theme. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: Robin Robin was good.

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Speaker 1: So the first up to perform was Coral Clues, where

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Speaker 1: I grew up on the East Coast. Class ring goes

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Speaker 1: through cards saying she's the luckiest lady in the world,

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Speaker 1: and she's saying lucky a lady, which I loved at first,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. I'm like the spin she put on

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Speaker 1: it first, I'm like, do I like that? And I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. I like how she made it her

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Speaker 1: and do you think that? I do. I think she's

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Speaker 1: a very strong vocalist. She's definitely a singer.

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Speaker 3: I think do you have thought Aunt was better?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Really, Well, let's talk about kral first because we've got

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Speaker 1: to go in the order.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we the with Korl. The clue they were given

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Speaker 3: away was the big blue z.

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Speaker 3: The guesses were all the guesses.

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Speaker 1: The guess is Jenny said Rachel.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Ziegler, Rita said Kamila Mendez, and Robin said Victoria Justice.

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Speaker 3: Did you think any of those?

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Speaker 1: I would probably go with Victoria Victoria Justice. Kimila Mendez

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Speaker 2: Non of the clues I got you Yep, grew up

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Speaker 2: in Niece Coast class class ring ghost.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not really good when it comes to guessing people.

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Speaker 1: I'm just always like, everyone sounds great and I think

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Speaker 1: I recognize that voice, but I don't really know. But

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Speaker 1: Lollipop ex clue. I knew from the girl group right

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Speaker 1: literally of all the things that she said. She had

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Speaker 1: I just saw documentary about it all. Oh really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I did guess that one, but we can't say

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Speaker 1: who it is just yet. Yeah. Guess is though were

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Speaker 1: Rita Ris aid Charlie.

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Speaker 3: She had worked with Charlie okay.

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Speaker 1: Robin said Aubrey, O'Day, and Ken said mel B, which

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Speaker 1: I thought maybe she was already on the show.

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Speaker 3: It was a strange one, but.

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Speaker 1: Ken is kind of the wild card then after that,

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Speaker 1: but I thought her song was great. I always you know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of had an idea that she was a

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Speaker 1: just really sealed the deal for me. Third up to

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Speaker 1: perform was Papa Rozzo, Italian changed his last name for

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Speaker 1: a more by Dean Martin. I love him. He's probably

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Speaker 1: my favorite singer in the group. But I still think

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Speaker 1: Quarrel stronger, and I still think it's Matthew Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: I do, even with the stage cleared monsters on screen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why who do you think it is?

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Speaker 3: I think Ken's guess is a good one, Michael Sarah.

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Speaker 1: I also think if it's Michael Sarah, like wow, because

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Speaker 3: I don't know many Italians are called Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Oh really No, there's more Michaels than Matthew's.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, Okay, a lot more that kind of threw

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Speaker 2: me a little bit on the on the Matthew Lawrence one,

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Speaker 3: Plenty of Michaels. What were Robin's guess, Cole Spros.

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about Cole Sprouse, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: really sure. But the good news is that we're going

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Speaker 1: to continue hearing Paparazza because he's moving on to the

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Speaker 1: final six. And Coral and Aunt did a battle and

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Speaker 1: this is probably the song that I would have saying

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Speaker 1: My Way by Frank Sinatra. I didn't that was really bad,

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Speaker 1: But the night I thought Aunt was better on My Way.

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Speaker 1: I thought I liked her vocally better on My Way.

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Speaker 1: and Aunt is going home. And then the final guesses

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Speaker 1: again were Evan, Rachel Wood, Melby, Charlie and Aubrey O'Day

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Speaker 1: and the last clue was world record. Again I knew

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Speaker 1: at this point, but Aunt was revealed and is Aubrey

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Speaker 1: O'Day And she went through it with the Diddy stuff.

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Speaker 1: Was in that girl band that he put together. Oh wow, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she was in She was in Danity Kane, so he

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Speaker 1: she was in the documentary with the Puff Puffy documentary

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Speaker 1: all the clues kind of came together once I knew

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Speaker 1: it was her. Yeah, for sure, it absolutely made sense.

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Speaker 1: We unfortunately though, couldn't get Aubryo dat. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: she's doing press and honestly for good reason, like good

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Speaker 1: on your girl, just to kind of protect your peace

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Speaker 1: and you're and you know, because listen people would ask

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Speaker 1: brave on her to go on the platform, do her thing,

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Speaker 1: be amazing, inspire a lot of people, and then bow

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Speaker 1: out of anything else from there, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like good, I agree, because I would take the shane

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Speaker 2: away from what experience and how good she was exactly.

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Speaker 1: So instead we invited the Queen of Mass Singer, Tory

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Speaker 1: Spelling on the show. She has been on four versions

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Speaker 1: of The Mass Singer and we cannot wait to talk

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Speaker 1: to her about her experience on the show. And of

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Speaker 1: course I always have to throw in some life questions

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Speaker 1: because you know, what's kind of crazy is because Tory,

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Speaker 1: like I grew up watching nine O two and No,

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Speaker 1: so to say, like and welcome on my friend, Tory,

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Speaker 1: like my little girl heart that like had her doll.

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Speaker 1: I mean I had all the dolls, did you really? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I was a huge Nino two and no fan. So

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Speaker 1: the fact that it's like I had them all, like

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Speaker 1: every single one of them, Donna, you know now that

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Speaker 1: I'm like kind of friendly with like Jenny gar Than

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Speaker 1: you know Tory, I'm like, is this cool?

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Speaker 3: What was the guy's name, Jason Priestley.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was Ashville. I just saw his wife at

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Speaker 1: an event for a big ol hug and I'm like.

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Speaker 3: This is so cool. Looks so cool. Guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great. Anyways, we digress. Let's get on Tori Spelling,

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Speaker 1: my friend on the show. There she is and all

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Speaker 1: her glory.

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Speaker 4: Now I get both of you.

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Speaker 1: Sure do?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Alan, Hello, I'm great. How's Alexa? She hates you? Huh?

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Speaker 1: She she's not a fan of Alexi? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's not a fan of Allen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't use it often.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's the reason.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. No, Okay, so we are

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Speaker 1: so excited to have you on this week's Unmask and Unwine,

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Speaker 1: because girl, you're like the queen, the actual queen of

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Speaker 1: the Mass Singer, because you've done four different mass singers

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Speaker 1: I have. I love that and I'm also slightly jealous

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Speaker 1: because the experience that I had on the show it

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Speaker 1: was the best ever. So I'm like, I feel like

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Speaker 1: if they were ever to call me, I'd be like

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Speaker 1: absolutely because it's so fun.

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Speaker 4: So did you know they're in like every single country

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Speaker 4: and like different places in different countries, Like there's one

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Speaker 4: in Spain, there's Barcelona, and there's Madrid, Like you could

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Speaker 4: you could literally do mass singers all over the world.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think what's interesting is you make a

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Speaker 1: really good livelihood. Well yeah, and you were exactly and

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Speaker 1: you were the you were the first season of the

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Speaker 1: Mass Singer here in the US, you were the unicorn.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: It was life changing. It was one of the best

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Speaker 4: It was so much better hearing the judges critiques and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why did you choose the unicorn?

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Speaker 1: Here, you're good.

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Speaker 1: Here it goes nothing. Tory, we have had so many conversations.

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Speaker 4: I mean we've discussed that and yes and no, yes,

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Speaker 4: Everybody told me me to leave. You told me to leave, yeah,

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Speaker 4: It was undeniable. The night it just all exploded, and

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Speaker 4: you will know in your heart and soul like this

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Speaker 4: is it and you don't want to go waiver back

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Speaker 4: and forth, not with children. So when it's right for you,

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Speaker 4: that's it. That's the moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you said, I mean, now it seems

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Speaker 1: you guys are on a you know, good co parenting

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Speaker 1: as good as it can be. What is the best

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Speaker 1: thing that helps because right now I have seasons, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this where I've up and down good

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Speaker 1: seasons of co parenting. Right now we're on the downward

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Speaker 1: spiral of like a bad season. Sorry, but you get it,

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's like, what do you do in

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Speaker 1: those moments, Like what is your best tip for keeping

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Speaker 1: a co parenting situation kosher and and good? Obviously you know,

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Speaker 1: we do things for the kids, but I mean when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the two adults.

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Speaker 4: You know, I am not a reactive person. I think

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Speaker 4: that's a good thing. So I try to anything that

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Speaker 4: comes my way same way I did in our relationship.

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Speaker 4: I had to often when he would say something, I

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Speaker 4: would have to kind of navigate, like, Okay, how do

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Speaker 4: I respond? Take a beat. He could hear it this

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Speaker 4: way because his brain hears things differently than how someone

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Speaker 4: in my situation hears it, So it's kind of navigating

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Speaker 4: it that way. The good news is we're not in

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Speaker 4: the same house anymore, so a lot of times this

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Speaker 4: happens over tex so I really have a moment to

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Speaker 4: sit with it and know how to respond or get

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Speaker 4: in the phone on the phone with him, and it's

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Speaker 4: easier than face to face and confrontation where that freaks

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Speaker 4: me out. Confrontation, But it's a lot easier now that

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Speaker 4: there's not that I don't want to see sexual connection,

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Speaker 4: but tension that just adds the boy and the girl

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Speaker 4: dynamic or the partner dynamic. That's different. It's just straight

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Speaker 4: you know, parents, We take the whole other layer out

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Speaker 4: and it seems to work a lot better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, back to Massinger, who would you love? To do

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Speaker 1: you still watch the show?

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Speaker 4: By the way, I go in and out.

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Speaker 1: In and out. Yeah. Is there someone that you would

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Speaker 1: love to see on the show that hasn't been on yet?

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Speaker 1: I mean there's been so many. Or is there a

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Speaker 1: song that you'd want to like go back or like

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Speaker 1: what you know? And if there's like an All Star,

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Speaker 1: would you go back?

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Speaker 4: I mean noo, yeah, Oh gosh. I'm trying to remember

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Speaker 4: my fourth song I was really excited about and I

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Speaker 4: didn't get to it, but I'm trying to remember what

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Speaker 4: it was.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you had it real easy though, because

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Speaker 1: now in mass like you can't ra sing any of

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Speaker 1: the songs people have sang, so like all the songs

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to sing, I mean, there's a whole

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Speaker 1: list of songs you're not allowed to sing. So it's

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Speaker 1: like being on the first season you just had you

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Speaker 1: had a whole library of songs to choose from.

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Speaker 4: This is true. I will say though, I picked my

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Speaker 4: first song this is my fight song because it resonates

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Speaker 4: with me and my kids. And then after that they

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Speaker 4: would give me songs that they write recommended and they

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Speaker 4: thought was good, you know, worked well with my voice.

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Speaker 4: If I had it over again, I would have been more.

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Speaker 4: I would have stuck to my guns about what meant

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Speaker 4: something to me. You know. Oops, I did it again

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Speaker 4: by Britney Spears. They thought it was fun and cute

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Speaker 4: and like it was the Virgin from Nino Tona was

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Speaker 4: singing this. It wasn't my jam. So I would go

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Speaker 4: back and really try to do songs that I felt

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Speaker 4: passionate about, like fight songs. I think I would have

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Speaker 4: gotten further.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. Well, Toy, we love you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on and always always good to connect.

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Speaker 4: I love you, Nice to see you, Good to see you.

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