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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jason Kncepsio, and welcome to x Vision

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Speaker 1: The Crooked Podcast, where we're diving deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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Speaker 1: and pop culture. Oh it's a packed episode, an action

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Speaker 1: we will be discussing various news, including the new Obi

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Speaker 1: and looks so good and is very exciting. Plus recap

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Speaker 1: will be diving deep into Doctor Strange and the multi

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Speaker 1: Verse of Madness, the movie which we saw earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we got to keep everything separate and

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Speaker 1: where that is if you haven't seen the movie yet.

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Speaker 1: In our nerd out segment, listener Michael talk to us

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Speaker 1: about the works of Heather Shaffer, who runner the named

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Speaker 1: the number one, the greatest, the best, the best ever

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Speaker 1: It's Rosie night, Rosie. How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? I'm good. It's a week. What a week

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Speaker 2: to be together talking about this truly.

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Speaker 1: Truly a nuts week. Let's get all to it. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to the previously on recap. First up, Miss Marvel

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Speaker 1: upcoming show on Disney Plus. It will highlight the Muslim

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Speaker 1: two weeks. This is great for fans in Pakistan and

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Speaker 1: for them. Have any thoughts, Rosie, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's really cool. I love the idea of giving

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Speaker 1: It's going to be increasingly important. I think you're right

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Speaker 1: Star Wars Day, International Star Wars Day. And of course

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Speaker 2: You like Star Wars, his' a the Star Wars. This

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Speaker 1: the Moon Night Episode six recap the finale titled Gods

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Speaker 1: So we we open on omits toom Arthur Harrow has

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Speaker 1: go here? What do you say? And Harrow I was like, yes,

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Speaker 1: of course, let's do it. Laila. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the temple,

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Speaker 1: No, it seemed like a bad deal from Mark, and

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Speaker 2: kind of situations coming from? It is a very intriguing Stinger,

423
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: And I think for people like us who follow the

424
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: comics and who'd been like, oh, is it Jake? Is

425
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: it Jake, I think it's like, Wow, You've got so

426
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: many questions, And I just I wonder if people who

427
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: like don't really read the comics were just like, what

428
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: does it mean? What does the white what is the

429
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: same meaning?

430
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: Weirdly, Stinger and the very very end aside, I thought

431
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 1: that this I thought Moonnight this series was like a

432
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: lot easier to figure out what was going on than

433
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: a lot of recent Moonnight comics where I'm one hundred

434
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: percent of the time I'm like, wait, is this real?

435
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: Is I don't understand what's happening? Here is my theory

436
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: on what I think? Okay, so Stephen Mark are stripped

437
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: of conshoes, blessing, right, and they go back to that

438
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: kind of junction place between life and death where you

439
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: can kind of decide to go to the field of

440
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: reeds or wherever. But the uh, whatever it was, you know,

441
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: omit I guess that was holding Stephen and Mark there

442
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: has been damaged because of you know, the victory they

443
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: had in the real world, and they're able to realize

444
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: what the place is and they made a choice together

445
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: to go back to the real world. Okay, I think

446
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: that's fairly straightforward. Yeah, that's a great read that. The

447
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: Arthur Harrow thing, here's what I think happened. And I

448
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: think it's just like, this is what I think happens.

449
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: So they don't kill him, They leave him in the pyramid,

450
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: I guess, right, and then Kanshu of course doesn't kill

451
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: him either. Conshu is a fucking coward and can't do

452
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: anything for himself except I guess hand to hand combat

453
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: with Ahmit to be fair to Conshu, But like everything else,

454
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: Kanshu won't do. And so the police come. They find

455
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: Arthur Harrow's body. He's babbling about Egyptian gods and this

456
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: and that, and he seems like an ill person, so

457
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: they take him to a mental hospital where can't sho

458
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: In conjunction with Jake Lockley, his avatar finds him and

459
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: then kills him without Mark and Stephen knowing. I think

460
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: it's just like literally that straightforward.

461
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think something else that you just made me

462
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: realize when you touched on it is in the so

463
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: in the version of the kind of overvoid like limbo space,

464
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: Tarawett said to them, you know, you're just imagining it

465
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: this way because that's all your human, feeble human minds

466
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: can deal with. So it would make sense that Arthur too,

467
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: when he was suddenly in a mental institute on a

468
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: lot of drugs, would also visualize that space that way.

469
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: So they did.

470
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: That was a good little bit of narrative stitching together

471
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: that I think they wove in there. So yeah, I'm

472
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: very sorry I won't be seeing Ethan Hawk, but also

473
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: understand that he's a he's a very famous man with

474
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: a lot of limited series. Well, okay, So something I

475
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: think is really cool that I think we could see

476
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: happen when Ethan Hawk was cast and he had the

477
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: Cane and a lot of people were thinking like, oh,

478
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: could there be some kind of idea of like an

479
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: evil moonnight, of like a character who is gonna play

480
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: up against him. But I wonder with the emergence of

481
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: Jake Lockley, if we'll see something kind of like in

482
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: the comics where there was an evil Moonnight called Shadow Night,

483
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: who was Randal Spector who in the MCUIO died. But

484
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: I think there's something there about Jake kind of taking

485
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: on an evil Moonlight persona, something that could be really cool.

486
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: This is quite out there, but I believe they went

487
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: They went quite out there with this. What if he

488
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: was the antagonist and Stephen and Mark were trying to

489
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: hunt him down? So I think that would be really cool.

490
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: I think that would be really cool too, And which

491
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: raises the question. Okay, so, uh, Stephen, Mark, Jake right

492
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: is will continue to be Conschou's avatar, So moon Night

493
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: is still going in the form of in the under

494
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: the under the control of the personality of Jake Lockley,

495
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: Stephen and Mark. We will assume have no idea that

496
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: this is going on, so Steve as season two hasn't

497
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: been confirmed, but I think that there have been enough

498
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: hints that we think that it might happen, including some

499
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: social media posts where the wording was changed from series

500
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: finale to season finale, that what we'll probably get is

501
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: just what you said, Uh, Moonnight as like the bad

502
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: moon Night running around super brutal, doing Concho's bidding in

503
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: a way that is not heroic, and Mark and Stephen

504
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: fighting to emerge from whatever barrier Kanshu has has placed down.

505
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Because the other thing is like, I thought that what

506
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: was cool to me about the Moon Night series is

507
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: essentially essentially like a long origens story for a character,

508
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: and an interestingly structured origin story too. It was like

509
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: a it was like basically like Wolverine's origin, you know,

510
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: like a you introduce a mysterious character who doesn't know

511
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: who he is, has a bunch of fractured memories that

512
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: he can't quite pick together, has been in action for

513
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: a long time but doesn't remember any of it, and

514
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: then manage to get all their memories together at the

515
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: very end. But aha, there's the important pieces still missing.

516
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we saw here, And so

517
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I think that you're you're onto something, and that we

518
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: will see if there is a season two, we'll get

519
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: Mark and Stephen trying to break free of the influence

520
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: of Jake Lockley slash Conshu.

521
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also wonder if something that, well, something

522
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: I thought was really interesting that you kind of touched

523
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: on here that I thought was really cool was in

524
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: the finale, we basically got the proper Moonnight origin because

525
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: in this version when we saw him originally any he

526
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: was going to kill himself, he was wounded. But I

527
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: also feel like it was meant to be like guilt

528
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: over what happened to Laila's dad and stuff. So in

529
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: this version we really see the moment where him and

530
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: Stephen make this conscious decision to be with Konshu to

531
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: be saved. And then I thought that was really cool

532
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 2: that they kind of built in an origin to the finale.

533
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: Also in the comics, there's a lot of precedent for

534
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: Mark disconnecting himself from Konshu and then being able to

535
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: regain powers through the priests of Conchhu through different routines,

536
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: So I think there's something that also we had suspected.

537
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: Slash wondered if at some point Jake would be revealed

538
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: to be a part of what happened to Layla's dad,

539
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: And I think if there's a second series now we

540
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: have Leila as the Scarlet Scarab, that could also add

541
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: an interesting conflict if it was Jake who was involved

542
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: in that side of things rather than Mark and Stephen.

543
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: Another thing that I don't know if you can't, but

544
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: there was a moment where I think the Jake voice

545
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: came out. It was they were in the fight with Harrow,

546
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: and Harrow is is like, uh, you know, villainously monologuing,

547
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: and then you get this, You get the Stephen voice

548
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: for sure, which is super recognizable, and then you get

549
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: like kind of a more. It may just be Mark

550
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: in a way that was like not consistent with past marks,

551
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: but it felt like they did the the Lockly voice

552
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: dropped there. I think, so I want, I think they've been.

553
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: Sneaking I just I think they've been sneaking it in more.

554
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: And I think on a rewatch you will really be

555
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: able to tell, because that was the first time we

556
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: really caught it was in the office. But I reckon

557
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: if you go back, it's probably been there a couple

558
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: of other times. When Mark's I think you're agitated or aggressive,

559
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: I think we could have been seeing Jake kind of

560
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: sneak out.

561
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Now regarding the white limousine with the specter, we should

562
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: talk about that because I think you're right, where's this

563
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: money coming from? Where's the cash for the limo coming from? Okay,

564
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Jake Lockley is the more we're just meeting Jake Lockley

565
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: in this episode. Although there were hints about him all

566
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,479
Speaker 1: throughout the series, and clearly Jake Lockley is seemingly is

567
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: based on the comics version of Jake Lockley, which is

568
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: the more blue collar, the lower class guy who has

569
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: connections to the streets and can hear things and understand

570
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: things in a different kind of context because of where

571
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: he is in the social class structure. But there's also

572
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: in the comics the grant person was turned into like

573
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: this super billionaire sometimes businessmen oftentimes like media mogul, slash

574
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: movie producer and flashy white limo like that. I wonder

575
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: if there isn't another either another personality or something that

576
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Stephen or Mark maybe don't remember which is them being

577
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: this business media mogul, hotshot okay, would celebrity producer something.

578
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: So if it was, if it was me, this is

579
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: this is my theory. Let's see if it happens, if

580
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: season two happens, I think think about it. Two things

581
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: in media, movies, comics, whatever we like, there are two

582
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: things that whenever they exist, they are very rich vampires

583
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: and assassins. So if hypothetically Jake Lockley is this third

584
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: persona who's been going around just casually happy to kill

585
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: everyone very efficient at it. From what we've seen. He

586
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: had a scilencer on that gun. You know, he killed

587
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: all those people in Egypt. And maybe Mark and Stephen

588
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: are the the personas who have been trying to live

589
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: a normal life, protect things from the family and all

590
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: of that. But perhaps Jake has been there as a

591
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: persona who has been building up this cash flow, these

592
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 2: connections to the criminal weld. He may have actually created

593
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: SPA Corp. In Mark's name because they needed something for that.

594
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: Like I think there's something there where it's like Jake

595
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: might be the puppet master, like Conshu thinks he's playing Jake,

596
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 2: but Jake may have been doing all these other things

597
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: to protect them because we thought Spector Corp. Was going

598
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: to come into it and then they kind of teased

599
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: it at the end. So I think it could be

600
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: cool to see if that was maybe something Jake has

601
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: been doing and he's kind of using these different because

602
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 2: Stephen in the comics is the producer, like you said,

603
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: the media mogul, maybe that's something Jake's taken on, Like,

604
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: I would be really interesting to see where they go

605
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: with that.

606
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: I would too, And I final thing, do you think

607
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: we see Layla as the Scarlet Scarab in the wire MCU.

608
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: I think that would be really cool.

609
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: Yes, I think my feeling is that the end game

610
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: of who was meant to come out of this show

611
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: is may As Leila and the Scarlet Scarabs.

612
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: I think that's great.

613
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: Egyptian hero in the MCU, brilliant, badass, essentially immortal, also

614
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: incredibly smart. Also kind of got an anti heroin roguish

615
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: tendency because she's got these you know, for a long time,

616
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: all anybody wanted was an Indiana Jones movie where Oscar

617
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: Isaac played Indiana Jones and returned things that people had

618
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: stolen through like colonization and you know, the general theft

619
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: of like the British Empire. So Leyla could definitely she

620
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: has that kind of she said, I'm just putting things

621
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: back where they came from. You know, I think there's

622
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: a lot to that character. People like the costume design

623
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: is really cool. It looks like they spend a lot

624
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: of time on that, the Scarlet Scarab. The characters have

625
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: been in all of you know, three issues, so I

626
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: think it gives them an open space to really introduce character.

627
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: And today they had an interview with her on Marvel

628
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: dot com introducing her as Scarlet Scarab So to me,

629
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: I think that's like I think we could see Oscar's

630
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Moonnight obviously, and I hope that keep bringing back his

631
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: brother because that's who he was playing against us is

632
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: double and I think that really added a lot of

633
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: the emotional heft, Like you knew when he's playing against

634
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: Mark or Stephen, that's someone he loves. That's how he

635
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: can bring that. And I wonder if maybe they do

636
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: something where like Oscar's very busy, So I think you

637
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Speaker 2: could do a lot of Moonlight with predominantly CG or

638
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: costuming and have a d R kind of like Mandalorian.

639
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same thing with you know, the way that

640
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: Robert Junior did like a lot a lot of the

641
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: MCU material, which is just like him in a closet

642
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: with a really good microphone and.

643
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: Go and he became like the most like a closet.

644
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: He's like in his house. His voice like.

645
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Speaker 1: What was that?

646
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: I think if that's the case, then you need the

647
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: human face, the character who's gonna be there and be

648
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: feeling and be a part of these stories. And you know,

649
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: I think, like think about this just hypothetically Moonlight and

650
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: the Scarlet scarap. That just sounds like a movie you'd

651
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: want to see or a TV show you'd want to watch, right,

652
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: I think I think that is the same. Okay, I

653
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: have one question that's been on my mind.

654
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Speaker 1: Ses.

655
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Speaker 2: I watched this for you as somebody who is very invested,

656
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: as we all are, but I know this is something

657
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: you talk about a lot and you have really good

658
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: thoughts about it in how things connect. How did you

659
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: feel about that with Moonnight, because it seemed like there

660
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: were lots of threads where it could connect to other

661
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: things and they and they ended up going streamlined and

662
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 2: kind of almost stand alone, not fully standline, but almost.

663
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Speaker 2: How did you feel by the end of the episode?

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Speaker 1: I like, I there are obviously a lot of questions,

665
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: and I think whenever you know it's the same thing,

666
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: it's the same feeling you get reading comm Expert times,

667
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: which is like, where are the Avengers? Why doesn't Thor

668
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: just call the Avengers? Why doesn't Daredevil just call Spider Man?

669
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Speaker 1: Why doesn't like any number of things happened In that sense,

670
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: it felt very comic Bookie and that it was standalone,

671
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: it was his own thing. I liked it, and I

672
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: liked and I think the thing that I appreciated about

673
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: it in the context of this conversation with the wider

674
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: MCU is that it gave us a lot of new

675
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: information we've you know, in terms of like of MCU gods,

676
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: of Marvel gods we've had as guardian Law, we've seen that,

677
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: and we know we're going to get more of it

678
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: with thor Love and Thunder. But this kind of laid

679
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: the groundwork for Hey, any of the kind of ancient

680
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: gods from different cultures, all of that could come in,

681
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: which is I think is really cool. Like I am,

682
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: it was a very on the nose and sincere moment,

683
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: but like the moment when Layla saves the carload of

684
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: civilians in Cairo and the one woman says, wait, are

685
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: you the first Egyptian Suberiro? Are you an Egyptian superhero?

686
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: And she's just like yep. That got me. And I

687
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: think like the the the possibilities that that opens not

688
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: just for like representation and casting, but for like storytelling

689
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: cool characters, for widening the kind of like the the

690
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: lore of the MCU. I think is really cool. That

691
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: part of it I thought was really cool. And also,

692
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's not an Avengers team right now. So

693
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Speaker 1: I guess, like when shit's going down in Cairo and

694
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: it seems like people are just their souls are being vaporized, Yeah,

695
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: there would be like, wait, who where's Thora? He's not

696
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Speaker 1: on the planet. Fuck, okay, Captain America, he's like ninety

697
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: eight Nick Furritt, He's gone. Damn it. Nobody remembers Spider Man,

698
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: so you can't call him, you know, so like it

699
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: makes sense, It actually does make sense.

700
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Speaker 2: No, I think you're totally right. I really I think

701
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: that the biggest thing here is Layla Scarlet Scarab and

702
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: also this notion of God. Whether or not we see

703
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 2: Taraware or we see any other God, isn't the point.

704
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: The point is these gods exist as living deities with

705
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Speaker 2: powers who can influence our world. And we're about to

706
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: go into thaw, love and thunder. And I love what

707
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: you said about Leila because something about comics that hasn't

708
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: that the MCU is really just getting into in Phase four.

709
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: Comics have always had fans all over the world. One

710
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: of our favorite comics one of the things we talked

711
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: about the first time we ever met Giant Size X Men,

712
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: that is a comic the Greatest Well Time where the

713
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Speaker 2: team came in and they said, we are going to

714
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Speaker 2: make an international team. Now, did that team have some flaws? Sure, whatever,

715
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: it's not, but that was the notion and that reinvigorated

716
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Speaker 2: the X Men. It introduced some of our absolute favorite characters,

717
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Speaker 2: and it changed the way that we saw comics and

718
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: we saw that team. And I really like your idea

719
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: that these shows, and this specifically, this show can be

720
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Speaker 2: the launch pad for those kind of ideas of of

721
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: introducing different kinds of heroes from different kinds of places.

722
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: I'm widening the scope of what an MCU hero could be.

723
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: I think that's really lovely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens next with Moonnight,

725
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: whether we get a season two, whether we don't, Who

726
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: and what comes out of this series then reaches the

727
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: wider MCU And with that, guess what when we come back,

728
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: we'll be talking Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Okay, folks,

729
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the slingering portal and onto the

730
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Speaker 1: beautiful steps of the mystical city of Comartage to discuss

731
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Speaker 1: Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Now in theaters,

732
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Speaker 1: We're going to start with a spoiler free conversation, just

733
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: our kind of gut level reactions to the movie, and

734
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: we will start with that. Now, Rosie, what'd you think

735
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: of the movie? In a non spoiler fashion for the

736
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 1: people who may have not seen it yet.

737
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, I will not spoil it.

738
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: I will say you should go and see it. I

739
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: really had so much fun with this movie. I think

740
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: it's one of the fun most fun MCU movies. I

741
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: think it's a great Sam Raimi movie. I think it

742
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: made me feel like I was flipping through a comic

743
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: book issue. Like I picked up a random issue of

744
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,959
Speaker 2: comics and I was flipping through and I was like, whoa,

745
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm there. The paneling, the kind of the

746
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: splash page like, and it had this heavy metal, goth

747
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: rock zero's energy. I feel like Sam Raimi bought his

748
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: best Spider Man movies kind of aesthetic to it. Yeah.

749
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: I had a ton of fun, and I'm really excited

750
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: to see how it lands for people, because for me,

751
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: I was just like I was in. I was all in,

752
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: how about.

753
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Speaker 1: You, saying do you like? Do you like Sam Raimi's

754
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: horror oove including Evil Dead one and two when Armies

755
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: of Darkness and Dark Man? You do you enjoy the

756
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: original of Spider Man trilogy, most notably Spider Man one

757
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: and two? You know great classics by the great Sam Raimi.

758
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy Sam Camp Do you enjoy comic action?

759
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy Marvel Magic who? By the way, let

760
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: me just say Marvel MCU magic fans a different breed

761
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: of MCU fan and I love them.

762
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

763
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: Do you like? Do you like really wild set pieces

764
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: that you like legitimately have not been seen before in

765
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: the context of a Marvel Comics movie. You'll like this.

766
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I had a great time, super super

767
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: fun movie and with that ghost just go see it

768
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: before you listen to the rest, because we're gonna start

769
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Speaker 1: the rest right now. Spoilers spoilers, spoilers about to start.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready, Rosie?

771
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: Spoilers?

772
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: Yes, here we go. This is the recap of Doctor

773
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Speaker 1: Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, directed by Sam Raimi,

774
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: written by Michael Waldron, starring you know, Benedict Cumberbatch, Elizabeth Olsen,

775
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: Soshi Gomez, Benedict Wang, Chewitteluga four, Rachel McAdams and the

776
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: rest and a whole lot of cameos, which we will

777
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: get into here. He goes we open in an alternate

778
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: universe Defender variant, Doctor Stephen Schreud. Would you say that

779
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: that's fair, Defender variant.

780
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: I would say that's fair. I also think we can

781
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: have a very interesting conversation about the fact they never

782
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: used the word variant in this film. So it is

783
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Speaker 2: Defender Strange, who is, as far as we know, a

784
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: Doctor Strange variant in a world where he assumingly led

785
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Speaker 2: the Defenders.

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Speaker 1: That's corrected one of the kind of like underrated, underrated

787
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: superhero teams. Like if you were going to say, obviously

788
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: Avengers and X Men, that's like your major leagues, that's

789
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: your big league team, and then you have like West

790
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: Coast Avengers. This is kind of like an like a

791
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: B level team. Your Defenders are, like I'm not saying

792
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: they're like like when the Avengers went local and you

793
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: had the Great Lake Avengers. Obviously, like the Defenders are

794
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: above the Great Lake Avengers. They are, but there's still

795
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: like a like a sea level but fun team that

796
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: once had Hulk, Doctor Strange, Iceman and others. Anyway, Defender

797
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Speaker 1: Stephen Strange, who can speak Spanish and America Chavez. Who

798
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Speaker 1: would you call her a mutant?

799
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Would I pass? They call a mutant? Absolutely? Does this

800
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: movie call her mutant? No?

801
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: Why? But we're gonna call her a mutant. America Chavez,

802
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: a human mutant from an alternate dimension, are running away

803
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: from a demon. Where are they? They're in a place

804
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: called the Junction, which we will explain what that is

805
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: later as as our characters learn what that is. They're

806
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: trying to reach some kind of glowing book on these

807
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: like floating platforms, and the demon is chasing them. We

808
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: will later learn that this book is the Book of

809
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: the Vashanty, a powerful white magic book that is the

810
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: polar opposite of the Dark Hold, the book that Wanda

811
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: has been studying since the end of Wanda Vision. America

812
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: has the power to open doorways through dimensions, but much

813
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: like many young mutants, does not have the ability to

814
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: control her power. It only emerges in moments of extreme

815
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: stress danger emotion, which is very mutant like that to

816
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: these powers fast and much anyway defenders. Strange, seeing that

817
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: the game is about to be lost, comes up with

818
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: the last Gas strategy, which is to take America's power,

819
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: so the demon can't steal it. What if the demon

820
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: steals it from you? Strange seems like, I don't know

821
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: if this is a great strategy, but that's what he does.

822
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: In the end, the demon kills Strange, and Chavez, with

823
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: her life in danger, unconsciously engages her power opens a

824
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: portal to Earth six one six. Strange wakes from a

825
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: terrible dream here on our regular MCU six one six Earth.

826
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: He was dreaming about a young woman and him. They

827
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Speaker 1: were in some weird dimension. They were running from a demon.

828
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: They were trying to get a glowing book. And He's like, ah, whatever,

829
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: that was weird. Maybe just some bad taco I ate

830
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: last night. He then puts on his beautiful jaeger lecoutre

831
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Speaker 1: Master ultrathin a gift from Christine, which has a twenty

832
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: three thousand, three hundred dollars manufacturer retail price. Christide, Steven,

833
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: how did you fumble the bag with this woman? This

834
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: woman I loved you, She.

835
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Speaker 2: Was walking in a hospital.

836
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Speaker 1: She brought you a twenty three thousand dollars fucking watch

837
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Speaker 1: and you and you blew it? Buddy? How much did

838
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: Stephen blew it?

839
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: Well?

840
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: First of all, this Crystal is completely cracked. Or this

841
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: beautiful watch that Christy got him, and he's putting on

842
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: the watch and getting dressed in a really nice suit

843
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: because he's got to go to Christine's wedding. Yes, he

844
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: blew it to that level. He goes. He goes over

845
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: to the church. Christine's getting wed to a man who

846
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: apparently is an Avengers fan. Awkward moment. Strange then apologizes

847
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: for basically him fumbling the bag with their relationship, and

848
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: it's like, I hope you're happy. She's like, I hope

849
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: you're happy too, and Stevens like, em, am I happy,

850
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have weird dreams. And I broke

851
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: a twenty three thousand dollars watch face. There's a commotion

852
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: outside out of the street. Something invisible is wrecking cars

853
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: and buses and just generally fucking up the street. Stephen, listen.

854
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: There's no better feeling, probably in this moment for Stephen

855
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: than to flex in front of his the love that

856
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: he lost and be like, ah, this is what this

857
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: is what she lost? Nabe doctor Stevett Strage Avenger And

858
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: he suits up in his costume and he floats down

859
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: there and everybody's like, oh holy shit. Using some magic,

860
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: he reveals the monster and it is our friend Shu McGrath,

861
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: who flies especially guard.

862
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm gonna say, I'm okay with it now. To me,

863
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: he's Gargantos, because you know what, Shumagrath, that's a smart guy.

864
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: He would be like he's sprinting Steven and talking.

865
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy, he's just like he's more like a beast.

866
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: So I'm like, mindless.

867
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 2: It's Garths, like stupid, a cousin. I'm okay with legitimately,

868
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: like an evil genius. Yeah, exactly.

869
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: So Strange swings in action. He cuts off one of

870
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: Garganto's tentacles, drawing the creature's anger. Strangely and quickly gets

871
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: knocked out, but good thing. His His friends, the Cloak

872
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: of Levitation and Wong the Sorcerer Supreme himself show up

873
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: and they swing an action and they're fighting Gargantos. Eventually

874
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: all of our heroes take down Garcantos and they over pizza.

875
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: Strange and Wong start asking America Shavas, like, what's the deal?

876
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: Where are you from? What are you doing here? What

877
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: did you were? Why was that thing trying to eat you?

878
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: She tells them she's from an alternate uh dimension and

879
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: that she's known doctor Stephen Strange is. In fact, she

880
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: was recently with one who was killed by a demon

881
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 1: that was trying to steal her power, which she can't

882
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: yet control, and as proof, she takes them to the

883
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: body of Defender Stephen Strange, who is one hundred percent

884
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: dead and really fucked up. Stephen then in it completely.

885
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: Stephen could do anything. He can make the body disappe,

886
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: he can put it into another dimension, he could be instead,

887
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: like he could burn it. Instead, he takes the dead

888
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: body a corpse, a legitimately dead human being's carcass, and

889
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: he like buries it under paving stones on the rooftop

890
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: of an apartment building where it's like a it's like

891
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: a you know, a roof deck, like people go up there.

892
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: He's like us, I'm like, it's like someone's home.

893
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: It was a great choice because he might need that cool.

894
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: That's right, we'll get to that event, very very important.

895
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: Stephen then says, okay, Wong, you take America a commontage

896
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: where she will be one hundred percent safe, surrounded by

897
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: hundreds of the most powerful sorcerers in the world and

898
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: I will go get some backup. My friend wanted maxim off.

899
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: There are runs involved in this whole affair that were

900
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: on Gargantos's tentacles, and runs can only mean one thing.

901
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: It means witches. As we saw at the end of Wanavision,

902
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: Wana is living on an impossibly idyllic farm surrounded by

903
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: groves of fruit trees that are flowering, and she's trimming

904
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: the little branches off the trees. And there's these beautiful

905
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: white sheep that look like these beautiful little cotton candy clouds,

906
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: and they're like prancing around everything so fucking perfect. Looks great,

907
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: And doctor Strangers smells one of the branches, like, this

908
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: all seems legit. This doesn't seem like the like the

909
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: product of chaos magic at all. I think this is

910
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: all great. I think you're doing great. One well, don

911
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: right now, let me make my pitch to you. Demons

912
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: are chasing this young lady, trying to steal her power

913
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: or it's a threat to the multiverse. Can you help?

914
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: And Wanda's like, oh, yeah, I'd love to help. Where

915
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: is America? And then Strangers are like, oh, I never

916
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: mentioned her name, and Wanda realizes that aha, she is caught,

917
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: and guess what, she drops her her illusion spell that

918
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: has been making the landscape look great. Now we see

919
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: like a nightmare vision of this like ruined landscape of

920
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: dead trees. Everything is like a glowing red. It looks really, really,

921
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: really scary. And Wana is like, here's what's going on.

922
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna give me America. You're gonna hand her over

923
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: to me because I need her, because I need to

924
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: access a dimension in which my children, Billy and Tommy

925
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: actually exists. They exist in every single dimension except this one.

926
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: And that's bullshit. And by the way, doctor Strange, what

927
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: about what about misogyny? What about the fact that you

928
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: break the rules all the fucking time? Right? And everybody's like,

929
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: oh doctor Strange, an Avenger, holy shit, will you signed

930
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: my will you sign my T shirt? And then I

931
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: like lose control a little bit and turn an entire

932
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: region of New Jersey into a nineteen fifties like a

933
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: village and people are scared of me and hunting me now,

934
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's fair. And to be fair

935
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: to her, she kind of has a point, yeah, and

936
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: she she.

937
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: Really brings it home in a way I didn't really

938
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: realize because she's like, didn't you break the rules when

939
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: you gave Fanos the time jem, which is, you know,

940
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: the one that allowed his vision to truly die, even

941
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: off the one to sacrifice. I thought that was really

942
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: clever writing. I was like, oh, I mean, you're both

943
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: badly behaved, but this is this is a good interest.

944
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Good point. It's a good point and it's one that

945
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: that came up earlier in the Church when when strangers

946
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: old colleague was like, yeah, you know I disappeared. Wasn't

947
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: there anything else you could do? Like you had to

948
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: give him the stone? Which is interesting because so much

949
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: of that fight, like obviously, like the fight on Titan

950
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: didn't even happen on world, like that happened outside of

951
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: Like there's a huge part of that war against Stantos

952
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: place out of everybody's view. So it's interesting. It would

953
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: be interesting to find out or to learn more about,

954
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: like what people just know about the fight against Santas.

955
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: This really it ties back to that really funny thing

956
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: in Hawkeye, which was like one of my favorite theories

957
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: that I came up with and is absolutely wrong.

958
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 4: But the Avengers Musical it includes loads of stuff that

959
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 4: nobody would ever know like a part of the team.

960
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 4: He actually was there in the post end game Infinity

961
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 4: War like timeline, but who knows that.

962
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: So I love the idea that maybe there's like who's

963
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: doing these pr blasts telling people about how the world

964
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: was saved. I'd love to dig more into that.

965
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: I would love to dig into it too. Here is

966
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: my pitch on what I think happened. I think because

967
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: this is such like an important world historical event. Now

968
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: you have superheroes, some of them living on Earth, obviously,

969
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: you have as guardians living on Earth for people, the

970
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: emergence of metahumans, of magic, of all this stuff, And

971
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: I think to like in a world in which you

972
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: would imagine regular people would be like that's all. That's great,

973
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: you saved us from fanos, you brought our loved ones back,

974
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: but also like I'm a little scared of y'all, Like

975
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: you're a little too powerful. I could see a world

976
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: in which the heroes just kind of like testify before

977
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: Congress or something like that, and now.

978
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: We fit into a civil war esques a Covier Records

979
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: kind of world.

980
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just we're like, Okay, here's everything that happened

981
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: from our perspective. I will tell you, I will testify

982
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: in a public setting about everything that happened in some

983
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: stuff I would assume as classified, but that generally they

984
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: would make that knowledge available to the people of the

985
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: world since it is of such pressing importance to the

986
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: entire population of the world. Okay, so back to our story,

987
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: Strange goes to Commertage to say, hey, some some slightly

988
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: bad news. I actually told the bad guy the entire

989
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: plan and that we are protecting America you and that

990
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 1: you are here in Commertage. So we got to lock

991
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: this entire city down. So all the sorcerers, you know,

992
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: they fly into action, building up the defenses of Commotage.

993
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: But then, of course, and we meet Rintra the Minotaur,

994
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: which is great, kind of minor character from the Marvel comics,

995
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: but super super super cool that we meet.

996
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: Rintram really interestingly, like, well, we'll get to where this

997
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: movie ends up, but Rinchar is really cool because that

998
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: one of the people who's held the Ambula of Agamato,

999
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 2: and we kind of see the eye and the Eye

1000
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: of Agamato and the general lore of it becomes a

1001
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 2: lot more text here. So I thought that was really

1002
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: clever cool inclusion, and.

1003
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: He looked great, looking great, looked really cool, like yeah cool,

1004
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: looked super super cool. But then Wander arrives in this

1005
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: black storm cloud and the Sorcerers of Comotage put up

1006
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: a really really great fight, but one is just way,

1007
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: way too powerful. She kills a lot of people strange,

1008
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: then traps Wanda in the mirror dimension, but as a

1009
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: as a indication of just how powerful she has become,

1010
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: she breaks out, managing to like uh use reflections in

1011
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: the real world as portals to escape the mirror dimension

1012
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: in a what is an entirely sam Raimie.

1013
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: It seems that's the moment where I was like, Okay,

1014
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: he got to do it, Like this is he got ary.

1015
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: It is really clever scary technique I almost haven't really

1016
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: even seen done in the comics that way, Like it's

1017
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: slightly really slightly matrixy, but it's more horrorish. It's slightly oculous,

1018
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: like there's touches of it, but it's pure Raymie. And

1019
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: when she breaks out, they do a full ring homage.

1020
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: She's oh, yeah, out like Santako and her body is

1021
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: all broke, and it's just like I was like, oh,

1022
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: it's a horror movie. Baby.

1023
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: It's as to say about that one thing, like, listen,

1024
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: we know some of our listeners might have kids. Your

1025
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: kids might love the MCU. My friend Jason was his

1026
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: son is a huge EMCU fin and I was like, okay, listen,

1027
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: small note. This is the scariest mcues, like legitimately dark

1028
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: and scary at times. So if you're bringing your kids,

1029
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: just be warned about that. There will be moments that

1030
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I think are a little scary.

1031
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: This is to me, this is like parents watch it first,

1032
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: because I feel like our age group when we were

1033
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: growing up, we watched like everything because of the h watch.

1034
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: Everything that I should not have watched.

1035
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: This is kind of like a This is like that

1036
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: scariness of like a dark crystal or a legend. It's

1037
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: just got a little bit more blood good and a

1038
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: little bit more. But so there's some It's like Batman.

1039
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: The Batman. I kind of just said to people, your

1040
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: kid's probably not gonna like it. It's like it's very

1041
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 2: real life scary. This is more of that fantas to

1042
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: go scary, but it has some And this is the

1043
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: first time I think we can say this in an

1044
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: MCU scope. It has some brutal deaths like we will

1045
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: get to that.

1046
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: We will get to that. Reals it. It is yeah,

1047
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: like some people got get got like in vicious fashion.

1048
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: Yes, so watch it twice once second, maybe with your

1049
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: kids or by yourself again if it's too scary.

1050
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: Sou Wanda, as Rosie noted, crawls ring like out of

1051
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: the mirror dimension. Uh is about to take America's power

1052
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: from her. Uh. America is like struggling, but again another

1053
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: portal opens just because of her instinct, and the Strange

1054
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: tackles her and through the portal, and America and Strange

1055
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: escape from Wanda. But now they're lost in the multiverse.

1056
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: They are just going from dimension to dimension to dimension.

1057
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: What is a super super mesmerizing like visual feast going

1058
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: from dimension to dimension.

1059
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Speaker 2: It's one of those times when you get the mixture

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Speaker 2: of the mastery of being able to make a two

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01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar movie. It's beautiful. Anyone can enjoy that sequence.

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Speaker 2: But if you're a person who wants to see an

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01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: Easter egg, there are things in there. You've got Savage Land, you'd.

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Speaker 1: Savage Land was definitely there.

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01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: Spider Man Noir world. There's a different kind of really

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Speaker 2: hyperreal cartooning world, which I thought was really cool, kind

1067
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: of almost like a scanner darkly rotoscoping world. There also

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: was a hell which does exist in the Marvel universe,

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01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: and probably Mustafar from Star Wars, which we know was

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01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: in What If, so I wouldn't put it past Disney

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01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: to sneak it in, And I thought that was really

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01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: cool because that moment when they inevitably put it on

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Speaker 2: YouTube is just a really gorgeous bit of filmmaking.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's so cool, but it also has.

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Speaker 2: That extra layer of, like, if you're wondering these places exist.

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very excited for those places to eventually emerge.

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01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: So where do they end up? They end up in

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: a version of Earth that is seemingly a utopia. It's

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01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: at peace. It is quite technologically advanced. Also, green traffic

1080
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: lights means stop and red leg red ones mean go.

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01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: And also the other real notable difference other than like

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01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: a lot of foliage in New York City and like

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01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: beautiful flowering trees, is that pizza comes in the shape

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01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: of a ball, unlike our universe. Yes.

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: Sold by Bruce Campbell.

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: Right by Sam Raimi. Veteran actor Bruce Campbell with no

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01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: way back to their dimension. Strange in America go to

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: this world's version of the Sanctum. On the way, they

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: get some pizza balls, and notably, we learned that in

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Speaker 1: almost every other dimension, food is viewed as a basic

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: human right, meaning it is provided free of charge if

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01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: people can't pay. That is every other universe except apparently

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: six one six love and this one that they're in

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: right now, and you love that for the multiverse, I guess.

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01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: They find the Sanctum out front, they find a statue

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01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: of that world's doctor Strange. The dedication says that he

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01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: fell in the battle against Santos, and the doors open

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01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: and out comes Baron Morro and he's like, ah, oh,

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: my brother, you made it from some other dimensions. Is awesome.

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01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: They embrace. Stephen is a little put off. He's like,

1101
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: this is a little weird, but but good. Not certainly

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01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: a warmer welcome than I was expecting from Baron Morroo.

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01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: They go upstairs, they have a little tea. Uh, Steven

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01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: and America explain the whole problem, and then Steven's like,

1105
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: I feel weird, and Morto's like, here's here's my retort

1106
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: to everything you said. Actually, our problem most of the

1107
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: time is not Wanda's. It's alternate dimension Stephen Strange. So

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01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: we're worried about you and Steve's what and then he

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01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: passes out. It's the classic drug tea bit. Folks, if

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: you ever go to the home of a magician, don't

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01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: drink the tea.

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Speaker 2: Especially if he was in your post your enemy like

1113
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 2: I too, I too want to have tea, which would

1114
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 2: tell Edge obviously I do, and Baron might do being

1115
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: so loving, but like Stephen, just just I know. Stephen

1116
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: has done the drug tea bit at least once himself,

1117
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: so he should have known.

1118
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: Bell classic drug tea bit by your enemy, the guy

1119
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: who's been fighting for sixty years in the comics, and

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01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: it's six years now in MCU, so you should have

1121
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: known him better. Stephen in America, wake up in these

1122
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: glass holding cells. This universe is Christine Palmer is studying them,

1123
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: taking readings and such, and she, like everyone else, is

1124
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: very very wary of Strange. It's clear people in this

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01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: universe who are in the know, superhero people, people that

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01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: work with superheroes, are very very concerned about the appearance

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01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: of a doctor Strange. She is like listen, I'm studying you, guys,

1128
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: obviously because you're from another universe. I'm studying you because

1129
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm a top researcher here at the Baxter Foundation. Wait,

1130
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: the crowd goes wild.

1131
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: Didn't this people?

1132
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yeah, the theater went crazy. The guy

1133
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: in front of me was just like rocking back and forth.

1134
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: And Baxter Foundation, of course, is the is the public

1135
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: private uh science research foundation that is run by the

1136
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four as roots that go back beyond the Fantastic Four,

1137
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: but BI is run by the Fantastic Four. Okay, So

1138
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: Strangers then escorted by a squad of ultron bots to

1139
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: see the Illuminati, and we meet the Illuminati. The roster

1140
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: is Baron Morto. Okay, Blackbolt, king of the inhumans, whoa

1141
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: incredible incredible.

1142
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: They say.

1143
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: They said his full name black and guar Bull to God,

1144
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: which which which Doctor Strange makes fun of, which I

1145
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: think is not that's you can't make fun of a

1146
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: he's from a different society, Steven, you can't.

1147
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1148
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: Also he can't speak because if he talked to you,

1149
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: you would melt anyway. Maria Rambou aka Captain Marvel in

1150
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: this universe, Peggy Carter Captain Carter a K Captain Britain,

1151
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: and then hello, folks, the smartest man in the universe.

1152
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: It's Reed Richards in a wonderful bit of stunt casting,

1153
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: played by John Krasinski, most notably of the Office. The

1154
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: fucking theater went absolutely ape shit.

1155
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's stunt casting on multiple levels, because that was,

1156
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 2: for a long time, the biggest rumor and the biggest

1157
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: fan casting was John Krasinski Emily Blunt as Read and Sue,

1158
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: and to see him here was like people were just

1159
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: going bonkers. And also it was reassuring to me because

1160
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of the idea of John Krasinsky

1161
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: in The Fantastic Four. So inevitably as the movie ended,

1162
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm safe, but we will get to

1163
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: that and way.

1164
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: You will get to that. And then of course Professor

1165
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier. Now they all come out in staggered fashion.

1166
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: And the reason it doesn't make sense narratively that Charles

1167
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: rolls up after everybody has introduced themselves and there's been

1168
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: a conversation going for like a minute. Charles, I guess

1169
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: was in the restroom or something, But it makes sense

1170
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: in the theater because they needed time for the applause

1171
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: for read Richards to die down right, for you to

1172
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: realize that Charles Xavier is.

1173
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: They wanted you to see the Yellow Wheelchair anime ad

1174
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: series style, and they wanted you to which weed it

1175
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 2: and some of the best casting in any movie ever

1176
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: and almost suddenly one of the best superhero costings of

1177
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: all time. It's Patrick Stewett as Professor.

1178
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier. Uh. He said he'd never

1179
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: do it, and here he is doing it and it

1180
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: was great to see him. Crowd went crazy again. I

1181
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: went crazy. I love my x Men. Fantastic. They the

1182
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: Illuminati tells Strange how they're Strange in this dimension, started

1183
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: fucking around with the Dark Hole because they were looking

1184
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: for ways to defeat Thanos, need a power to defeat Thanos.

1185
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 1: The Strange as like, let me look into this dark hold.

1186
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: But of course, eventually Strange became obsessed with the book

1187
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: and became corrupted by it, and then, somehow, accidentally, because

1188
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: things just got out of hand, Strange of that dimension

1189
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: triggered an incursion, which is a collision of two universes

1190
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: resulting in the destruction of what are both.

1191
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: And we will definitely be talking about that after the recap,

1192
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: because that is going to be really important going forward.

1193
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: You've heard us talk about it before, we're going to

1194
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: talk about it again. This is a good thing that

1195
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: they mentioned right here, because now that's on our radar.

1196
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: So in their experience, the Illuminati says, the strangers are

1197
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: our biggest threat we had. We had to kill our

1198
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: strange after we defeated Detos. And also in this conversation

1199
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: we get the first canonical mention of the numbering system

1200
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: used in Marvel comics for the various world So, of

1201
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 1: course the main earth, the one that our main heroes

1202
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: are from, is Earth six one six, and this Earth

1203
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: that they are currently on, the Illuminati Earth is what

1204
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: do we say?

1205
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: It was eight three eight, though we will say producer

1206
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: soul things, it might be nine three eight, which will.

1207
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: Be because that's the universe nine eight which one is

1208
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: the Santa one, Santa is.

1209
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: Eight three eight is jol near and then which is

1210
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: the Santa one and nine three eight is the one

1211
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: where Doom is in power of some kind because that

1212
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: would be cool because I love you.

1213
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, so anyway, Santa has yeah.

1214
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: And it's important to know that. The way that we

1215
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: learn this is Christine Palmer is the one who's been

1216
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: designating the universe, and Stephen even sasses her and is like,

1217
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 2: who would do that? Who would designate all the universes?

1218
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: So thanks to Marvel for that one. Because it's us,

1219
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: it's fans maybe, but this is a really big deal.

1220
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: You have been a huge deal.

1221
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: This the six one six for a long time. I

1222
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: actually have a piece talking about this because how does

1223
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: it work? Can you have a six one six that's

1224
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: on screen? That's also also the MCU did already have

1225
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: a fan designation which was like one nine nine nine

1226
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: nine nine I think. So it's it's very interesting, but

1227
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: it's really exciting. Also, got a very big cheer in

1228
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: my theater and it was really really crowd.

1229
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: That was a really cool moment for that to get

1230
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: it cheer. That's how you knew there was some real

1231
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 1: some real nerd heads of the in the audience. Okay,

1232
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: so the illuminati are like, hey, in our experience, it's

1233
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: strangers that are the problems. So this is what we're

1234
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna do. We're gonna investigate whether your story is legit.

1235
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: Your story about your version of Wanda in Possession of

1236
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: the Dark Hold threatening the multiverse, trying to trying to

1237
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: extract America's power so she could, you know, live with

1238
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: their kids, but basically potentially could lead to the destruction

1239
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: of the multiverse. We're gonna look into that, so you

1240
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: just sit tight until we figure that out. And by

1241
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: the way, if you're lying, you're dead, just like our

1242
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: others strange. Back in six one six, Wanda is sitting

1243
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: in the ruins of comotage. Wong is her prisoner. Sarah,

1244
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: a sorcerer, managed to seize the Dark Hole from Wanda,

1245
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: and she stabs it and destroys it, and it kills

1246
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: her in the process. Wanda, if you were wondering, as

1247
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: I was in this moment, like is Wanda one hundred

1248
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: percent bad? Here's your answer. She then tortures various other sorcerers,

1249
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 1: including our good friend Ntra, to get Wong to get

1250
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: her information about the Dark Hole. She's like, you know

1251
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: about that. You're an ex you're the Sorcerer's supreme. You

1252
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: know all the top secret trus my ship that's in

1253
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: the Dark Hold, or at least some of it. So

1254
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me what that is now, And then

1255
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: Wong instead gives up an actually a much bigger secret.

1256
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: That Dark Hold is a copy. There's another one, the

1257
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: real one, and that one is at a secret place

1258
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: called what is it Rosie Mount Wonderguld. Huge share from

1259
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: the audience, Well, you.

1260
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: Want to know the really funny thing in my fit,

1261
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: which is very reactive, that was one chair. It was

1262
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 2: more like a scream of like someone in a slasher

1263
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: movie and it was me and be talking about every week.

1264
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: I got multiple I got multiple messages being like was

1265
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: it you who screamed when they said Mount Wondergoll, And

1266
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: I was like, absolutely, I will.

1267
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: I was watching.

1268
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 5: I'm like I love Charles Xavier, Like yeah, but when

1269
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 5: they said I know, that was my one theory that

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Speaker 5: I did not think they would commit to, and it

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Speaker 5: was so good and they did the way they did

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Speaker 5: it was really cool.

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Speaker 2: So in this version Mount Wondergore, Cathon didn't just make

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Speaker 2: the Dark Hold the book in Mount Wondergore. He essentially

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Speaker 2: like carved the spells of the Dark Cold into the

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Speaker 2: mountain and then every book is a copy of those spells.

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Speaker 1: Really cool, really really cool. No Bova spoiler, but like,

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Speaker 1: but that's fine. Maybe we get her later. Maybe there's

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Speaker 1: laboratory somewhere underneath the.

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Speaker 2: You know, still pointed out that there we've already had Rintra,

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Speaker 2: So the minur cgi exists, the human has hybrid maybe

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Speaker 2: in this was very much like a primal, brutal, Kathon

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Speaker 2: dark magic version of Wondergore. So we don't know what

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Speaker 2: the situation of the High Evolutionary or the more comic

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01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 2: focused version is. Just to hear that name and then

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 2: to learn it was really cool that we were going

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01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: to get to go there. That was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So just for our fans and our listeners who do

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Speaker 1: not know who the High Evolutionary is, the High Evolutionary

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Speaker 1: is like a human being who got super into genetic

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Speaker 1: engineering and became like incredibly good at it, like way

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Speaker 1: before that technology was even available, like the dawn of

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century, late nineteenth century, and through this work

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Speaker 1: created Bova and a bunch of other human animal hybrids

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of other creatures, and then ended up

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Speaker 1: setting up a shop on Mount Wondergore, having their secret

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Speaker 1: laboratory there and getting up to a bunch of like

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Speaker 1: secret shenanigans all throughout the decades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this I learned only just from how excited.

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: I was about it and I kind of wanted to know, like,

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01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 2: what could this mean? Why does it go? And we

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01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: can talk a little bit more, but this actual introduction

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01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 2: could be really really important, you know, coming soon kind

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Speaker 2: of movies in the MCU, So it's very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Ba's to w our movie. Wanda takes Wong to Mount

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Speaker 1: Wonder Gore, which, by the way, is if it's anything

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Speaker 1: like the comics, it's somewhere like in Eastern Europe. In

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Speaker 1: the comics, it's in a fictional Eastern European nation called

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Speaker 1: Transia in the mountains there, and Wonder Gore turns out

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Speaker 1: is the throne of the legendary Scarlet Witch. It's not

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01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: a tomb of the Scarlet, which is where the Scarlet

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Speaker 1: which comes to rule, So it Wanda's home. The magical

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Speaker 1: guardians of the place, these kind of like giant, hulking creatures.

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Speaker 1: They kneel before her and using her new dark hold, Wanda,

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Speaker 1: as she's been doing all along, dream walks. So dream

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Speaker 1: walking is the ability to send your consciousness through other dimensions,

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Speaker 1: using other versions of yourself as the conduit. She sends

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Speaker 1: her personality back into the nine to three to eight version,

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Speaker 1: create version of herself where the Illuminati are.

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Speaker 2: And I think this is really interesting because we didn't

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Speaker 2: touch on this because it's so fleeting, but me and

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Speaker 2: one of my colleagues, Mikey Walsh, we've been talking about

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01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: this a lot today. The reveal in this to do

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01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 2: with dream walking, which another thing that we sort of

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: got right, is definitely kind of adapted from Sleepwalker, who

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Speaker 2: we thought may play a part in this.

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Speaker 1: We saw the toy, so there was a moment when

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Speaker 1: she first said dream walking where I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we're right.

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Speaker 2: They adapted it and she doesn't have to be asleep,

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 2: but it still connects to it. But something very interesting

1332
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: that they reveal in this film that seems to be

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Speaker 2: canon that we never knew before. You can connect to

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Speaker 2: your multiversal versions of yourself through dreams. Essentially, if you

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01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 2: dream of yourself in the MCU, you are likely seeing

1336
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Speaker 2: another multiversal version yep. And this is actually really a

1337
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 2: bit of smart plotting because after much talking today in

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Speaker 2: the nerdis Slack, we couldn't really think of a film

1339
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 2: where they're an actual nighttime dream rather than like visions

1340
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 2: like in you know, an Age of Oltron. So this

1341
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: is very smart, and I think it could really dream

1342
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 2: walking was obviously very dangerous. We see how dangerous it

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Speaker 2: is for Wonder. But I think that notion of what

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01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: a dream means in the MCU, and it being a

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: space to connect to different multiverses, that feels like a

1346
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: really cool tiny story nod that could become a much

1347
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 2: bigger thing.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Okay. So back on Earth

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: nine three eight slash eight three eight, where the Illuminati

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: live and where Doctor Strange and America are. Uh, Wanda

1351
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: has taken control of the version of herself self that

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: lives there, and she flies over to the Baxter Building.

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01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to call it the Baxter Building.

1354
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 2: We don't know IMAI headquarters slash backs to the buildings

1355
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: slash British Museum living.

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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 1: Out something like that. Uh And long story short, folks,

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: it's ripped the Illuminati. We you, we get residents. We

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Speaker 1: get some of the most brutal deaths in MCU history here, including.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is where Sam is like, this is

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 2: where Sam's like. By the way, guys, under me, I'm

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01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: going for you. Remember who I'm working You thought you

1362
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 2: thought the mirror was bad. So the first death we

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01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: get where you really understand what's about tap into the Illuminati.

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Speaker 2: This is not a this is not even like a

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01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 2: moonlight style shooting. This is like you're going to see

1366
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: some people die in a horrific way that is absolutely

1367
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: connected to their powers, which is so clever. The first

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Speaker 2: one is black Bolt. He thinks he can kill Wonder

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: because you know he was the one who killed Strange.

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Speaker 2: He has this powerful voice she Matrix style closes his

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01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 2: mouth and he's so surprised that he ends up making

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Speaker 2: a noise and essentially like shoots himself in the head

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Speaker 2: with his own mouth.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely dies.

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Speaker 2: And he dies. Read Richards gets turned into like a

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01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: thousand string cheese slash hot doss incredible.

1377
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Speaker 1: And dies.

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Speaker 2: He He's gone, He is gone. It's not happening for

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Speaker 2: him any more. Goodbye, sir. It is very booted.

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Speaker 1: Captain Captain Carter gets bisected by her own shields.

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Speaker 2: And the blood dripping off it. That is so iconic.

1382
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: It's terrifying, but it's so good. And then you have

1383
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 2: more of the what I will say, Ah, they're kind

1384
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 2: of the questionables, you know, so so oh no, Well

1385
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: we have to talk about Charles.

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Speaker 1: Well, first let me ask you Captain morbladized by dropping

1387
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Speaker 1: a statue on her. Who's the statue?

1388
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is something that I've really been

1389
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: trying to work out.

1390
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could not. Everything else there is much.

1391
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: More generic and Illuminati themed, but the statue seems prominent

1392
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: and purposeful. Maybe it will be something that we are

1393
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: taught about. It will be like retroactively important, kind of

1394
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 2: like how in Thor they they put the Infinity Gauntlet

1395
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: in the background and then they had to say, oh,

1396
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 2: that was a fake one. But I wonder if it

1397
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: will be something we get introduced to the importance of.

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Speaker 1: It's an MCU. It's like the garb. It seemed to

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Speaker 1: be a woman, and it looked like if anybody's played

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01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: the video game Horizon zero Dom, Yeah, it looks like

1401
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: kind of like very like tribal style, kind of like garb,

1402
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: not armor, but more like skins and not like fully costume.

1403
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: It's hard to really tell what it was, but I

1404
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: couldn't work out.

1405
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 2: I wonder if they want to if it's going to

1406
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: be something to do with like hera or like another god,

1407
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 2: like a female god who's going to be relevant, but

1408
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: who could have also been like a Warrior at some

1409
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: point in a version of The Avengers. Also that death

1410
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: is really interesting because everyone else's deaths are incredibly final.

1411
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: We see Charles die in a really incredible moving moment

1412
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,520
Speaker 2: which is very Gene gray esque, which makes absolute.

1413
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: Sense, extremely extremely you know, he.

1414
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: Enters Wonder's mind and as he finds the real Wonder

1415
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 2: who is trapped in there, the Scarlet Witch, the essence

1416
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 2: of the Scarlet Witch aka the Phoenix force like the

1417
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: redness it comes, and then she sneaks out the back

1418
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: with a demon face and snaps his neck like. That

1419
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: is brutal and scary. Maria Rambo, though she's an immortal

1420
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: alien like Cree warrior, can fly into space survive, doesn't

1421
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: need to breathe an a statue falls on her. That

1422
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 2: to me is the that's the questionable death.

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01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: I agree. I think she could have. I think she

1424
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: could have powered through that also. Okay, so the fight

1425
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: rip the Illuminati again. They beat Sanos head up apparently, Yeah,

1426
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: like on Titan Like, without the big battle, without the

1427
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:43,520
Speaker 1: backup from the as Guardians and the and the Sorcerers

1428
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: of Camatage and all the rest. It was legitimately just

1429
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: them soloing Thanos on Titan and then Scarlet Witch just

1430
01:19:54,920 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 1: erases them, so tough tough moment for them. Stephen back up.

1431
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: He beats Morto in a straight up fistfight. Morto survives,

1432
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: so he links back up with America and Christine. Alt Christine,

1433
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: they go running. They flee into a tunnel that runs

1434
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: under a river. They end up back at the entrance

1435
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: to the Gap Junction, the place where the Book of

1436
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: a Shandy lives that we saw at the beginning of

1437
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 1: the movie. And of course the only way to get

1438
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: in there is some puzzle that involves Steven's watch, so

1439
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: they get in there. But long story short, the book

1440
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: is destroyed and our friends get separated. Wanda takes America

1441
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: back to six one six Mount Wondergore, and then Stephen

1442
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: and Christine end up in a world that has been

1443
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: partially destroyed by an incursion. Stephen and Christine encounter that

1444
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: world doctor Strange, and he's absolutely fucked up.

1445
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 2: Dude.

1446
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: You can tell straight away this guy's you can tell

1447
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: it's not you can tell it's not on with this guy.

1448
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,799
Speaker 1: Whatever is going on, you know how, Like a cable

1449
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: installer will have like that that like huge tablet that

1450
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: looks like the size of a bible that like hangs

1451
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: from their belt. That's how this version of doctor Stephen

1452
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: Strange uses has the dark Hole clip to his belt

1453
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: like a cable guy. So you know it's not on

1454
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 1: uh Strange six one six Strange defeats Evil Strange in

1455
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: a like an actually really cool music note battle.

1456
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. You haven't seen anything like that, and you have not.

1457
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: It was not just in the MCU like this is

1458
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 2: straight out the pages of a comic book or video game.

1459
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 2: Add a Kingdom Hearts vibe.

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01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 4: It's like it was amazing, amazing, And the way that

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 4: they use music.

1462
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 2: I have to say, I can't believe it's to me

1463
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: this long to mention him, because he's an old favor

1464
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: of mine when I was a kid. He can he

1465
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: can go through ebbs and flows. But the score of

1466
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 2: this movie is by Danny Elfman, and oh my days,

1467
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: does he deliver Like you could not believe the things

1468
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 2: that he does in this movie. There is a scene

1469
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 2: that we're already passed when when Wonder Vision, when Wonder

1470
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 2: is using the Dark Cold and she's kind of like

1471
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: visualizing what's gonna happen in trying to dream walk and

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01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 2: Sam edits it like it's the year two thousand and

1473
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 2: Elfman scores it like it's the Electra movie the Fox made,

1474
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: and it is fantastic. It is like the most goth

1475
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 2: shit I've ever seen. And I was just like, I

1476
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: when this movie comes out, that will be the scene.

1477
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: That and the music Note scene are gonna be Thort

1478
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 2: picking up the hammer for me from Endgame. It's ever

1479
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: going back.

1480
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: It is the music Note fight. It reminded me. It's

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01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: like the most original fight since the ant Man Suitcase

1482
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: fight against Yellowjacket, which I was just like, this is

1483
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: so cool. I've never seen anything like this. The music

1484
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: Note fight is just it's awesome. Eventually, with Christine's help,

1485
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: Strange defeats Evil. Strange grabs the dark hole. That's like, okay,

1486
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: here's the plan. I'm gonna dream walk into the corpse

1487
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: of myself that I buried on the rooftop. Good thing

1488
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: I did that, folks. Corpse Strange arrives in the vicinity

1489
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: of Mount wonder Gore and is immediately waylaid by the

1490
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: souls of the damned. Who are the souls of the damned?

1491
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 2: You ask?

1492
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: They are just damned souls. That that kind of like

1493
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: walk the dimensional fields and are just like very very angry,

1494
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: and they hate everything, and they especially hate like dead

1495
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: bodies that are kind of alive, like yeah, being the Yeah,

1496
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:23,799
Speaker 1: they don't like neckar.

1497
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 2: And the coolest thing is like he's those things are

1498
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 2: gonna kill him right, And then Christine has this moment

1499
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: that is so great and well written where she can

1500
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: see is gonna die and she says, you are a

1501
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 2: master of the mystic arts, use their spirits and love and.

1502
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: Behold, he Gundam suits them. They did They turn into

1503
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: like wings or tentacles or appended. He flies whatever he

1504
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: needs and he flies over to Mount Wonderguard. Now we

1505
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: get the big fight and Wong, who we once thought dead,

1506
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: thrown off the cliff. Of course he wasn't. We knew

1507
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: he wasn't dead. She's killed the Sorceres Supreme baby he

1508
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 1: gets into the action. Eventually, America punches Wanda through a

1509
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: portal which takes her to Earth eight three eight slash

1510
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 1: nine three eight we haven't decided to get and she

1511
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 1: comes face to vase with the mom version of herself

1512
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: that she had hijacked, and they fight. Billy and Tommy

1513
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: are truly horrified by six one six Scarlett, which and

1514
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: realizing that she has what she's become, Wanda chooses to

1515
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: leave the kids with Mom. Wanda and destroys the wonder

1516
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: Gore Throne and the tower drops on top of Wanda,

1517
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: who is dead, but it's left very very very vague.

1518
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: This is a This is a very accurate representation of

1519
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,560
Speaker 2: Wander in the comics and the way wan Day is

1520
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 2: treated in the comics, And if we go by that,

1521
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 2: then she's probably gonna not be dead forever.

1522
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 1: And really interesting, Wanda has died many, many times, so she.

1523
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 2: We earlier saw in the movie that when somebody destroyed

1524
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 2: the Dark Horde, they died, right, and Wonder destroys the

1525
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: Dark hor by pulling Mount Wondergore on top of hers

1526
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 2: so no one else.

1527
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: Can use it.

1528
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: She's taken responsibility for actions. But very interestingly, Stephen then

1529
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,440
Speaker 2: learns that the Dark Hole has been destroyed in every universe.

1530
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So America opens a portal and brings Strange back

1531
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 1: from the Evil Incursion world sends Christine back to eight

1532
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: three eight slash nine three eight. America stays at Carmotage

1533
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: training magic shades of Strange Academy. Yes, Strange as first student.

1534
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: I think we're going to get it right. Whether it's

1535
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: a Disney Plus show up, whatever, I think.

1536
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 2: It's going to be Strange Academy. But I think what

1537
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 2: they're going for here is like Wong and America together,

1538
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 2: Wong as the mental Wong as the leader of the

1539
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 2: Strange Academy. And then we will get to that moment

1540
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 2: that's probably going to lead to what we see for Stephen.

1541
01:25:56,439 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: Very excited, so Strange fixes the watch that Esteine gave him,

1542
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: the twenty three thousand dollars plus watch, goes to take

1543
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: a walk outside, strolling a wonderful day out of New York,

1544
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 1: and then he collapses because a third eye opened on

1545
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: his forehead, much like the third eye that had opened

1546
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: on the evil Doctor Strange, that the one that had

1547
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: been using the Dark Hold for an unknown amount of

1548
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,879
Speaker 1: time back on the incursion destroyed Earth. So now Steven

1549
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: we know has been corrupted to some level. The amount

1550
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: we don't know, but he has been corrupted a little

1551
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: bit by the Dark Hold. Yes, we get the credits

1552
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: and it has taken its.

1553
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 2: And the eye opens on his head, and then Danny

1554
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 2: Elfman goes wow and then it comes to the credits. Incredible,

1555
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 2: now first stinger, Doctor Strange. Time has passed. See, he

1556
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 2: is obviously chill, comfortable, he's chill. He's comfortable with his

1557
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: third eye. That's that's just there on his head, not

1558
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 2: that I don't think anybody can see it. Probably just

1559
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 2: him or we don't know, but he's see, he's comfortable

1560
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 2: with it. She's just walking around New York City when.

1561
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: What should happen but a portal opens from some strange dimension,

1562
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 1: and who should come out? It's his comics girlfriend Clear,

1563
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: played by the Great Charlie's Saran and wearing like the

1564
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: eighties nineties class purple.

1565
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 2: Leather shoulder pads. She's got this iconically striking purple armor

1566
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: that's totally over the top. And she's like, you caused

1567
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 2: an incursion, babe, We're going.

1568
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 1: We gotta go fix it. What do you need to

1569
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: know more? And he's like, not really, let's go.

1570
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 2: Little eye opens, boom, and then they and they walk

1571
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: into the dark dimension from where we see doctor Strange before,

1572
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: where he fought Demamu and in the comics, Clear is

1573
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 2: the niece of Demamu and is the Sorceress Supreme of

1574
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 2: the Dark dimension. So they walk through there and it's

1575
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: like cool, Steep, and I will say something this movie

1576
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: set up that we did not include in the recap

1577
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:01,520
Speaker 2: because it was like very in the weeds emotional moments.

1578
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 2: The whole movie sets up Stephen basically learning that in

1579
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: every single universe he will never be with Christine. That's

1580
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 2: not happening. He's a wasteman. She doesn't want nothing to

1581
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 2: do with him. She's marrying someone else. Every America, America's

1582
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: always like, are you with Christine? No? Never Christine? And

1583
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 2: the last Christine who he seems to have this connection

1584
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 2: with the Illuminati universe. Christine. She says, you got to

1585
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 2: allow it. You got to give yourself open to love.

1586
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 2: You got to fall in love and then lo and

1587
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 2: behold his eight hot age appropriate cosmic comic book wildly

1588
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: turns up and he's like, I'm doing it, baby, I'm

1589
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: going to the dark Dimension.

1590
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: I gotta say again, it is shocking to me. If

1591
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: your girlfriend gives you a twenty three thousand dollars fucking

1592
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 1: watch and you guys break up. You fucked up somehow, Stephen.

1593
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it's great to have Clear around. I

1594
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: love Clear.

1595
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 2: She doesn't look like she's gonna give him any presents

1596
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 2: or let him break up with her, and he needs

1597
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 2: the energy in his life.

1598
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 1: No present, that is what he needs. We go to

1599
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: the second Stinger. Now back on Earth eight three eight

1600
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: slash nine three eight, when Steven and America had encountered

1601
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the Pizza ball Man played by Bruce Campbell. America was

1602
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: telling Steven, you don't have to pay for anything in

1603
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: any universe. Six six six one six is the only

1604
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: universe where they make you pay for food. In every

1605
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: other universe. It's a basic human right. And Bruce Campbell's like, no, actually,

1606
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 1: you gotta pay for this. What the fuck are you

1607
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: talking about? So Stephen Strange cast a spell that Bruce

1608
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Campbell to punch himself in the face for like what

1609
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: was it, three days.

1610
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: Three weeks, three weeks, two weeks, So the final sting off,

1611
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,560
Speaker 2: we see Bruce Campbell, famous for being Ash from the

1612
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Evil Dead, and he's punching himself in the face with

1613
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: the left hand, which is a big Evil Dead bit,

1614
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 2: and then he's like it finally stops, and he looks

1615
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: to the camera.

1616
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 1: It's over, just like Evil Dead. It is a wonderful

1617
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: nod to the Sam Raimi oove. And with that, let

1618
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: us talk about this movie. What did we say about it, Rosie,

1619
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: I really had a great time. I think that they're

1620
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: I think, you know, some people have criticized, you know,

1621
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I think that there are Certainly the emotional steaks are

1622
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: different because there's no will they won't it. With Christian

1623
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: it's always a won't you know from Jump they ain't

1624
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: getting together. So where does the other emotional stakes come in?

1625
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: And it's mostly from his relationship with like his own

1626
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: moral code and his virgionaling relationship with America, and also

1627
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: Wong just being a badass. But like, listen, I'm in

1628
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: the tank for Sam Raimi, I'm in the tank for

1629
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Marvel Magic. I really had a great time. I thought

1630
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: it was super fun.

1631
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 2: I thought it was brilliant. You know, something that we

1632
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: talk about a lot because it's the way we look

1633
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 2: at this stuff. Right, you can have these movies for

1634
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 2: like everyone, and that's not just in the scope of

1635
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 2: representation or characters that you like or don't like. I

1636
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 2: think we live in a world where there should be

1637
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 2: a comic book movie, and there can be a comic

1638
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 2: book movie when there's five of them coming out a

1639
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 2: year or ever. You know, that just feels like you're

1640
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 2: picking up a comic book. To me, this is like

1641
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 2: me and you wandered down to like secret headquarters and

1642
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 2: we both picked out a twenty five cent like quarter

1643
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 2: a bin issue because that's what I wish still happened

1644
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 2: in every comic shop. But you pick out that back

1645
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 2: issue and you read it. Maybe you know we know

1646
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 2: all these characters because this is this is our thing.

1647
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 2: But like, even if you didn't, I love the way

1648
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 2: that like this felt like that it felt like you

1649
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 2: were on an adventure that felt like an old forty serial.

1650
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 2: It felt like you could just jump in and out.

1651
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 2: I thought something really cool was the way that America

1652
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 2: was introduced as a wholly rounded character. Yeah, you knew her,

1653
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 2: and she had a backstory, she had a power, she

1654
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,719
Speaker 2: existed in her own world and she came into ours

1655
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 2: and something else that I thought was really cool. And

1656
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 2: you know, we've talked about Joe Casey and how he

1657
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 2: didn't get paid and he did his creative collaborator and

1658
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: that really sucks and I hate that and it makes

1659
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: me so bummed out and I think about this stuff.

1660
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 2: But like something I thought they did that was really

1661
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: cool with America was when they showed her are they

1662
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 2: briefly show her backstory and she's from you know, the

1663
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 2: utopian parallel as we know it, a dimension where she

1664
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 2: had gay moms, and they show that and they're in love,

1665
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 2: and they really focus on it, and they actually did

1666
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 2: a lot more than I thought they would. But what's

1667
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: really cool is the first time she opens a portal,

1668
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 2: she sends her parents through it, and she's lived with

1669
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 2: this grief her whole life. Now in the comics, it's

1670
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,440
Speaker 2: much more of a kill your gaze situation. Yes, America's

1671
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 2: home planet was destroyed, her gay parents were dead boo.

1672
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 2: In this, I love the notion that they seed, and

1673
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 2: that Stephen seeds that even though America didn't always know

1674
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 2: how to control her powers, that intention behind each one

1675
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 2: always took people to the right place. And I love

1676
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 2: the aspect here that potentially America will get to meet

1677
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 2: her parents again and really in that moment, her mutant

1678
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 2: powers manifested in a way that helped them, that helped her,

1679
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 2: that put her on the right path. There were little

1680
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 2: bits of storytelling there that I actually think we're like

1681
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 2: quite layered, but they, you know, I understand how also

1682
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 2: it's like this bombastic music fight horror movie. So but yeah, no,

1683
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 2: I mean I loved it. That's like, that's really high

1684
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 2: up there in my MCU ranking. I just thought it

1685
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 2: was That's like, to me, is like a that's up

1686
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 2: there with like thor Ragnarok on like a reimagining and

1687
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,919
Speaker 2: restructuring of the tone of a character in a sequel.

1688
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 2: I just thought it was so great.

1689
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Here's a thing that I think could happen.

1690
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: You know, we love to theorize here. The most fun

1691
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: first arc of Young Avengers involves the parents, the families

1692
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: of a lot of the characters there, and very very

1693
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: very notably America Shavas and I think in a say

1694
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: a future Disney plus Young Avengers show or something like that,

1695
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: the way we can get the team together that would

1696
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,640
Speaker 1: be America. She's testing out her power. She's looking for

1697
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:02,480
Speaker 1: the dimension where her parents are. What does she find instead?

1698
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,839
Speaker 1: She finds like a kid version of Loki. She finds

1699
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: like all of her friends in this in this mission

1700
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: to like find her her parents, and then she I

1701
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: don't want to spoil the first arc of Young Avengers,

1702
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: but maybe she finds them and they're not quite what

1703
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,719
Speaker 1: she thinks, but I think that no, I think obviously

1704
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,839
Speaker 1: going to play a role, a very propulsive role in America.

1705
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: Shavs is arc going forward into the MCU and the

1706
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: Disney Plus.

1707
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent right because also, like

1708
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 2: the first issue of that, the Jamie mckalviy, Kieran Gilla and.

1709
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Matt Wilson stuff excellent, so fun, it's so.

1710
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 2: Brilliant, and it has a really big tie to Wonder

1711
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 2: and a really big tie role as a mother and

1712
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 2: her role as a parent. And we have now been

1713
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:50,839
Speaker 2: introduced in these shows, everyone has a tragic parent origin.

1714
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Kate Bishop, yeah Eli from Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

1715
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,680
Speaker 2: He lives with his granddad, who was you know, destroyed

1716
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 2: the first real captain America and he was ignored, he

1717
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 2: was imprisoned by the government. Everyone has a tragic parent

1718
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 2: backstory that I think could be a very smart way

1719
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 2: of tying into to a young Avengers show. I think

1720
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 2: that's really clever.

1721
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like, as we learned in this movie, this

1722
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: is the only dimension six p. One sixty, the only

1723
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 1: dimension where Billy and Tommy Wicken and Speed don't they

1724
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: don't exist. We know they exist in that eight three

1725
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: eight nineth thrty eight, and we know they've been traumatized

1726
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: by watching their mom duke it out with an evil

1727
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 1: version of herself, and like, uh, you gotta figure if

1728
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna assemble the Young Avengers, they have to get

1729
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: them from somewhere, and I would imagine they'll get them

1730
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: from there where they have that perfect kind of like

1731
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: bad mom backstory, but of course it's not really their mom.

1732
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 2: I think that's really smart as well, because like, let's

1733
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 2: talk about the other big, big elephant in the in

1734
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 2: the where do they come back from room, which is Wonder.

1735
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 2: I thought this arc for Wonder was actually brilliant, and

1736
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 2: I think it's really very much equivalent to what happens

1737
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 2: in the comics, where she gets this sort of deep

1738
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: character arcs that make you really care about her, and

1739
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 2: she has this human moments and then by editorial edict

1740
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 2: or create a choice that's all blown up and she's evil.

1741
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 2: She's very much Magneto's daughter in that way. She goes

1742
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:23,919
Speaker 2: from good to bad and her powers become incredibly powerful

1743
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 2: or not at all powerful, and she's a mother living

1744
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 2: in the suburbs, and she's a universe creating woman, And

1745
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 2: to me this felt very much in that vein, and

1746
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily feel the moral quandary of her wanting

1747
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 2: to kill America being that much different than what she

1748
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 2: did in Westview. But I know that some Wonder lovers

1749
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 2: were not a huge fan of this arc. Woulagine, Yeah,

1750
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's really hard to watch your favorite character

1751
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 2: who's very emotionally relatable become a villain, a true villain.

1752
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 2: So she drops them out wondergre on herself destroys these

1753
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 2: dark Cords. What do you do you think we get

1754
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 2: a kind of Wonder reincarnation. Do you think she's in

1755
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 2: some kind of Aldrich Georgard or do you think we

1756
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 2: get eight three eight nine three eight mom Wanda as

1757
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 2: a superhero.

1758
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: I think what we get with the destruction of the

1759
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 1: of the all the dark holes theoretically burning out the

1760
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: corruption that that Wanda had had.

1761
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 2: I like that.

1762
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: Studying it, right, I think we're gonna get some version

1763
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: of like like a permanent dream walking like. So we

1764
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: we've introduced and we've talked about the possibility that there

1765
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: are that there are these nexus individuals who are whose

1766
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: existence is like vital to the way the multiverse works,

1767
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: that they all they exist in every single dimension, right,

1768
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 1: And we saw Wanda in nine three eight slash eight

1769
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 1: three eight. What if by this dream walking process, Wanda

1770
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: of course is responsible for the things she did, but

1771
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: the goodness of the other versions of Wanda, like she's

1772
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 1: able to interact, engage with that somehow, that kind of

1773
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 1: nexus being kind of like thing where listen, I don't

1774
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: think she's dead one hundred percent if you don't think

1775
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: about it, she does and she's die again. I can't

1776
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: say it enough. She has died so many times in

1777
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: the comics and disappeared, turned into a puff of smoke,

1778
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 1: disappears for like five legitimate real world years, and then

1779
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: comes back living in like Milan or something where she

1780
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 1: falls in love with Hawkeye. Weirdly like, stuff like that

1781
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: happens all the time.

1782
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 2: And I want to say as well, like we've talked

1783
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: a lot about this, and you were really the one

1784
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 2: who brought up and I think it's so legit like

1785
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 2: and after watching this movie it really made me think

1786
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 2: about it. But the uh, you know, the Trial of

1787
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 2: Magneto arc.

1788
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: That they recently did so much, this.

1789
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 2: Really feels like an encompassing space where in that book

1790
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 2: her different versions of her life and the different parts

1791
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 2: of her past come together to give her a certain

1792
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 2: amount of peace and a certain amount of clarity and

1793
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 2: a certain amount of happiness and and you know closure.

1794
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 2: And I feel like people have long wanted a scarlet

1795
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,799
Speaker 2: which movie and I would love to see a movie

1796
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 2: or a wonder Vision style show which is wonder going

1797
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 2: through those versions and finding that piece and finding that

1798
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 2: acceptance and that happiness which she takes one step close

1799
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 2: to at the end of this movie by allowing Mom

1800
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Wander to raise the kids and get that reassurance from

1801
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: her that you know, the kids will be okay, they

1802
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:27,759
Speaker 2: will be loved.

1803
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: And for those Wanda stands out there, I count myself

1804
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 1: among them. Absolutely take solace in the fact that the

1805
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: Dark Holed absolutely took its toll. And Wanda like, yeah,

1806
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: does she do villainous shit in this Yes, and absolutely

1807
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: she should take responsibility, that she should acknowledge that whenever,

1808
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: whenever she comes back into our lives as a member

1809
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 1: of the MCU. But also realized that like the influence

1810
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 1: of the Dark Hold was very very strong, as we

1811
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 1: saw what it did to Strange in the corrupted dimension,

1812
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: like she did bad stuff, but the Dark Hold was

1813
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 1: also influencing her to do that bad stuff.

1814
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good point. And I think

1815
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: that the dream walking aspect, even though it didn't you know,

1816
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 2: we got a lot of things right, we got something wrong.

1817
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: We will gage that. We will do the stark, we

1818
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 1: will do the scorecard of We also don't.

1819
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 2: Want to We never want to be right every time

1820
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 2: because then it's not fun, right, It's not fun. But like,

1821
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 2: one of the things that we were really thinking about

1822
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 2: was this notion of nightmare. And I still believe, even

1823
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,719
Speaker 2: though Nightmare may have not shown up in the movie,

1824
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 2: the notion of there being a dream world or a

1825
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 2: passage between realities via dreams is very nightmarish. Wander could

1826
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 2: have not just been under the control of the Dark Hold,

1827
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,680
Speaker 2: but also something greater, a puppet master. She's been manipulated

1828
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 2: before by Mephisto, I know that name, but he was

1829
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,240
Speaker 2: the one doing it, He was the one using the

1830
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 2: kids against her. So I don't think we've seen the

1831
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 2: end of this story or Wander's accountability. That she's going

1832
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 2: to hold herself to for it.

1833
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 1: And whenever I want a back in the comics, what

1834
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 1: usually happens, is she just is living like as a

1835
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: normal person somewhere without a lot of memories. I think.

1836
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: I think when she comes back, that's what's gonna happen.

1837
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,799
Speaker 1: She's gonna be just living as a person somewhere, maybe

1838
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:17,679
Speaker 1: aware of what she's done in the past and feeling

1839
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 1: very guilty about it. Maybe she's created like a completely

1840
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: new persona and memories about herself. But I think she'll

1841
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: come back and she's going to be underground for a

1842
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 1: little while.

1843
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, maybe she's going to be living with

1844
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 2: her new husband, Simon Williams or something like that, you know,

1845
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 2: the man who may be wonder Man. I think there's

1846
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 2: lots of interesting spaces.

1847
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Let us go to what we got right and what

1848
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 1: we got wrong in terms of are theorizing this is

1849
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. First, the significance of Wanda vision the show,

1850
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: including the Dark Hole and Billy and Tommy crazy. We

1851
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 1: got it right. Nothing to do with No Way Home,

1852
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: multiverse issues. This was your big one.

1853
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 2: I had a feeling in my gut that it wasn't

1854
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 2: gonna happen, and nobody believed me. But we were right.

1855
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:11,919
Speaker 1: Thing that the Illuminati would only make a brief, albeit

1856
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: crucial appearance. This is less of a prediction, is like

1857
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 1: fifty percent prediction and fifty percent. This is how movies work.

1858
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 2: This is like gut check. If you watch a lot

1859
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 2: of movies and you talk about movies with your friend,

1860
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 2: you can watch a trailer and be like, this is

1861
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:28,719
Speaker 2: probably gonna happen.

1862
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: So Wanda's chaos magic connection to Gargantos, and uh, we

1863
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 1: just didn't guess the part where she created Gargantos to

1864
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,839
Speaker 1: send after America, but we we understood the connection.

1865
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 2: Very inventive. Michael Wildron, who, by the way, I have

1866
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 2: to shout because that script was funny as fuck.

1867
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: It was really really fun that we'd see Captain Carter.

1868
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 1: Now we confirm the trailer, but we predicted that way

1869
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: before that part of the trailer. An appearance of Mount

1870
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: Wondergore take of speak.

1871
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 2: Of I will say that any time I'm like, it's

1872
01:42:58,640 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Mount wonder Go.

1873
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 3: If wonders that, what did you know? That's my wonder

1874
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 3: in Pietro. Oh, it first was in thor one thing four,

1875
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 3: not wonder Go. But this time I was right. So

1876
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 3: you know, if you mentioned it enough times, the theory

1877
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 3: will come true. And I was so happy about it.

1878
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 1: A House of M style payoff for Wanda more than

1879
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: a payoff, Like the entire setup is basically House of

1880
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Them with some other different things sprinkled in there. But

1881
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 1: the you know, Wanda being too dangerous, emotionally unhinged and

1882
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 1: affecting the safety of various realities, that is Yes of M.

1883
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 2: And you know what else that we that they took

1884
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,320
Speaker 2: from House of M that we kind of didn't even

1885
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 2: really consider that they would do. The notion that Charles

1886
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 2: Xavier is involved in the idea that Wanda has to

1887
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 2: be killed, which is like a bit part of everything

1888
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 2: that sparks off. So that especially was very House of M.

1889
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: Maria Rambau played by Lashawanna Lynch's Captain Marvel as a captain.

1890
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 1: They got that. The other with the other possibility was

1891
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 1: Superior iron Man, which a lot of people liked. We

1892
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: always thought it was Marie Rambo and that Incursions who

1893
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: the very important incursions from the time runs out arc

1894
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:20,920
Speaker 1: that plays out over Illuminati and New Avengers.

1895
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to give Seeing a big shout out

1896
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 2: because he picked He was like even talking about that

1897
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 2: as one of his picks. And this was the Hickman

1898
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 2: New Avengers stuff where they basically introduced the idea of

1899
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,919
Speaker 2: the incursions, which is like, it's essentially like a contraction

1900
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 2: or a contradiction or a glitch in the timeline. But

1901
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 2: this is almost certainly going to lead into us getting

1902
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 2: that Secret Wars show that we've or TV movie whatever

1903
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 2: that we've long thought about, because the incursions and the

1904
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 2: idea of galaxies colliding, universe is colliding and exploding, it's

1905
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:58,520
Speaker 2: all very much seeded in that twenty fifteen Secret Wars

1906
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 2: by Hickman and Issad. You're back.

1907
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Here are the ones that we didn't get right. No

1908
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Nightmare appearance as the villain, although again there were moments

1909
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: where it seemed like it was headed that way. And

1910
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 1: as you noted, the dream walking, the idea of dreams

1911
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: as this kind of thread through dimensions, this kind of

1912
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: like interdimensional pathway is very much a Nightmare mechanic. That's

1913
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: how Nightmare gets his power. So but we're gonna count

1914
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,519
Speaker 1: it as wrong because we're magnanimous didn't lean into Wanda

1915
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,799
Speaker 1: as a nexus being used dream walking between multiverses. Instead,

1916
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 1: I will make a further prediction off that even though

1917
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 1: we got this one wrong, I will say that now

1918
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: with the dark holes all destroyed throughout multiverses, now we

1919
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:51,639
Speaker 1: may see the MCU lean into Wanda as a nexus being.

1920
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 2: I think so too also as well, where did the

1921
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 2: power of the dark carle Go? We just saw it

1922
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 2: go out into the universe. We know in superhero stuff

1923
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 2: if a lot of power that goes out the university

1924
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 2: can have an effect nexus being stire coming. I believe

1925
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Jason what.

1926
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: If did not play a prominent role, No supreme strange.

1927
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: There's a zombie, but not really.

1928
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 2: It's necromaty, it's necromancy. It was set dressing. They did

1929
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 2: a really good job making people who watched what I

1930
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 2: feel like it was important and it was like it

1931
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 2: opened people's eyes to the notion of some things. But

1932
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 2: it was not a keypot.

1933
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:27,800
Speaker 1: And then finally no Deadpool, no other mutants, and no King,

1934
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 1: which I found the last one is the one I

1935
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 1: found particularly interesting, and we've got no hint of King yet.

1936
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,600
Speaker 1: But you would have to assume if Charles Xavier existed

1937
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 1: in a variant universe of the MCU, that the school

1938
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 1: that he runs and the team that he also covertly

1939
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 1: runs must exist as well, and that is terribly exciting.

1940
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so look, no Kang, right, They didn't say Kang's name,

1941
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:58,759
Speaker 2: but I will say in this movie, Read Richards tells

1942
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 2: Wonda that he has children and a wife, Sue Storm,

1943
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 2: and he doesn't name them, but Franklin and Valaria. So

1944
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 2: that leads to the notion that in this universe Kang

1945
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 2: would essentially at some point exist because he is a

1946
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 2: descendant of Reed and Reid had children. So it's really

1947
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 2: interesting and I think my gut says, because we love Kang,

1948
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 2: we talked about him a lot, love that Johnathan Major's casting.

1949
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 2: My gut says, with the recent move of moving ant

1950
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 2: Man and Quantumania before Marvels, I think the Fantastic Four

1951
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 2: is a big focus, and I think they're essentially saving

1952
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 2: whatever they're doing with Kang, whatever plan is, whether we

1953
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 2: meet him as an ally to ant Man and the Wasp,

1954
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 2: whether he is an antagonist, whether he is Read and

1955
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,839
Speaker 2: do Man. You know Kang and he's all these different versions.

1956
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 2: I feel like that is going to be the thrust

1957
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 2: of ant Man Quantumania, and I'll be really surprised if

1958
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,639
Speaker 2: that's not the case, especially after he wasn't in this movie.

1959
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 2: That would have been so easy to reintroduce him, Rosie.

1960
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the the untimely rest in peace death

1961
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 1: of the Illuminati and what specifically that might mean for

1962
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 1: whether or not we see any of these actors play

1963
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: these characters in the MCU going forward. John Krasinski obviously

1964
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:26,679
Speaker 1: a huge fan casting My sense, My sense is other

1965
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 1: than Captain Britain, Captain Carter, we probably won't. This was

1966
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 1: probably a goodbye. This felt like a goodbye to all

1967
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,919
Speaker 1: these people, like, you're not going to se John Krasinski

1968
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 1: is read Richards. Yeah, Anson Mount, you gave it a

1969
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 1: go with bad wigs, but we're not going to see

1970
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: you as black belt going forward. Patrick Sewart has been

1971
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: very outspoken about his desire to not be in the MCU,

1972
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: and he did it for the bag and he was

1973
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 1: great to him. But he is an older gentleman and

1974
01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 1: I would imagine he's not terror really keen to sign

1975
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 1: up for like a fifteen movie deal with you see

1976
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 1: that would include cameos and like various properties. So it

1977
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: sounded like a goodbye. What do you think?

1978
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:11,519
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with you. I think that the

1979
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 2: big potential is Peggy Carter. If we saw if we

1980
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 2: were going to see someone again. I think that with

1981
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 2: the Marvels coming up, I think there's a version where

1982
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 2: we get quick cameo from Maria in a dark in

1983
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 2: a moment where Monica feels like she can't be Captain

1984
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 2: Marvel or Pulsar or Photon or whoever they you're spectrum,

1985
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,120
Speaker 2: you know, whichever name they give. I feel like there's

1986
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 2: maybe a way that we could see her realizing or

1987
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 2: discovering that inner universe her mum was Captain Marvel. That

1988
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 2: seems very knowing. I also think it's a really good

1989
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:52,960
Speaker 2: it's a good course correct because in the Captain Marvel movie,

1990
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 2: the way that the breelast in Carol Danvers Captain Marvel

1991
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 2: gets her powers is the origin of Monica Rambo. So

1992
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 2: it's a good course correct to be like, here is

1993
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 2: a world where it was Maria, and so that one

1994
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,639
Speaker 2: feels like that's like a ten percent you could get

1995
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 2: a cameo to me, Peggy, I think is quite likely

1996
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 2: everyone else dig on this is this is Figy being

1997
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 2: incredibly magnanimous and saying, look this and you wanted it,

1998
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 2: you wanted Charles Xavier, but that's not gonna work. Like

1999
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,200
Speaker 2: the question of how to introduce the X Men is

2000
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 2: the most important and profitable question probably in Disney's history,

2001
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 2: because if they fumble the bag, they will lose no joke,

2002
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 2: billions of dollars and they could decimate them. To you,

2003
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:39,639
Speaker 2: it's it's so important. And that's not going to include

2004
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 2: Patrick Stewart, but they gave him a great moment here.

2005
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 2: They also cleared the way for Jean Gray by getting

2006
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 2: rid of Wonder for a little bit. And to me,

2007
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 2: I think the Krasinski thing is a really cool bit

2008
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 2: of stunt casting that recognized as fans who wanted it,

2009
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 2: and I am a I'm a fantastic four truther. You

2010
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 2: can ask people who used to work in the comic shop,

2011
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:01,040
Speaker 2: my poor friend Mikey, who used the hate hearing about

2012
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 2: I'd be there and I'd be like, oh, the X Men.

2013
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 1: You know.

2014
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 2: I thought the Fox deal said that they could never

2015
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 2: make an X Men TV show, but now they're making Legion,

2016
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 2: so maybe they made a deal with Marvel so Marvel

2017
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 2: could get the rights back. I have fan casted that

2018
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 2: a million times. I have fan casted Keanu Reeves as

2019
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 2: read Richard's I have fancasted Adam Driver is doctor Doom

2020
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 2: I have a whole different fan casting with a for

2021
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:25,600
Speaker 2: a fan fiction that me and my friend wrote, like

2022
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 2: I care so much about that. And to me, the

2023
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 2: John Krasinski Emily Blunt one, if that had been ten

2024
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 2: years ago MCU, that seems like the kind of casting

2025
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 2: they would have done, but now it seems a little

2026
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:40,679
Speaker 2: bit safe. So I think this was a really cool

2027
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,000
Speaker 2: nod to say, hey, here he is in that suit,

2028
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 2: look in a certain way. Now, don't be crying when

2029
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 2: it's Ral Kooley who plays or Jonathan Major is playing

2030
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 2: every character you know. And so I think that's a

2031
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 2: to me, that's a that's a really cool bit of

2032
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:02,680
Speaker 2: fan service that's really thoughtful and was also done in

2033
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 2: a really funny way. And I think, like Krasinski, I

2034
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 2: just give him so much props. He was great for

2035
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 2: being like, yeah, I'll come and be read Richards and

2036
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 2: then get turned into spaghetti. Like I think that you

2037
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 2: got to have like a lot, You've got to be

2038
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 2: really willing to have a lot of fun with that.

2039
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 2: So I think the Illuminati is the the r I

2040
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 2: p I Lumini.

2041
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: The caveat I will give is the sense I I

2042
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 1: came away from this movie kind of feeling more so

2043
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 1: than before that. Oh, the recent news that that Figy

2044
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: announced that they're going to be going into the a

2045
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: retreat to that in it. That's why I didn't that's

2046
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: in it. That that is actually vital because the sense

2047
01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:51,639
Speaker 1: I got coming away from this movie is that they

2048
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of don't know how they're going to bring in

2049
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:56,679
Speaker 1: d M C in the X Men and the MCU

2050
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 1: and the Fantastic Four, And obviously, as you said, those

2051
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:00,639
Speaker 1: are gonna be a big deal, like those are gonna

2052
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: be the things that extend the life of the MCU

2053
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 1: for a decade plus exactly. X X X fans, Fantastic

2054
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Four fans have been waiting for.

2055
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 2: This, so it's gonna all stop being. My guess is, well,

2056
01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 2: instead of phases, when the X Men come in, we'll

2057
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 2: start having ages and.

2058
01:53:16,360 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 1: My and my sense is also that obviously they could

2059
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 1: bring them in through alternative mensions, but I think you know,

2060
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 1: with the Fantastic Four, you need that origin. You have

2061
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 1: to understand where they come from as a family. I

2062
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 1: feel like you'd need to see them get their powers.

2063
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 1: You would need to boot it up again, and then

2064
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:38,760
Speaker 1: similar with the X Men, we need to lay the

2065
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 1: groundwork of a world in which people are scared of

2066
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:46,080
Speaker 1: people with powers and by extension, mutants when they appear

2067
01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 1: that they are fearful of them, and they want them controlled,

2068
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 1: pushed away, pushed to the margins, the killed. Maybe you know,

2069
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: like that they'd be okay with that. That there's a

2070
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 1: level of general and even hatred in the world for

2071
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 1: powered people, and I think that will take some setup.

2072
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: So I came away from this feeling that while the

2073
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 1: multiverse is an incredible tool, I actually feel like it's

2074
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: not the best one to bring in the Fantastic wo

2075
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: or the X Men.

2076
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be more of a case

2077
01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:22,559
Speaker 2: of the Multiverse is going to be about this kind

2078
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:28,719
Speaker 2: of battle World Secret Wars esque implosion of a cosmic scale,

2079
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,560
Speaker 2: you know, clear and Doctor Strange jumping around the multiverse

2080
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 2: like doing cool cosmic stuff. But I think you're right,

2081
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 2: Fantastic four, it is narratively easy because it is one.

2082
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 1: Accident, and I think that very straightforward.

2083
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the recent news of the director departing because

2084
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 2: he wanted a bit of a break, I think that

2085
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 2: and the moving of ant Man forward, I think that

2086
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 2: the Fantastic four will likely be the first one, because

2087
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 2: I think it is easier to establish and MCU as

2088
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 2: we know it, whereas, like you said, there's going to

2089
01:54:58,000 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 2: be some there's going to have to be some gro

2090
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 2: breaking kind of shifts in the politics and the landscape

2091
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:11,959
Speaker 2: of the MCU to make mutants as oppressed class feel authentic.

2092
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 1: Well, it was a super exciting fun time at the theater. Man,

2093
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: I had a great time.

2094
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 2: It was such fun.

2095
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 1: It was super super fun.

2096
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 2: You went to the premier. What was it like when

2097
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 2: people like losing that and going on the premiere?

2098
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so the people were going off. It was really cool. Actually,

2099
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 1: so one thing I will say, I would put the

2100
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:35,640
Speaker 1: mask rated about ten percent in the ten that's okay, Listen.

2101
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:38,800
Speaker 1: I didn't love that. But I was in a mask

2102
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: and others were two but not a lot. Who was

2103
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 1: around me? I saw a Tony Tony rev El, Tony Revelori.

2104
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:53,680
Speaker 1: I saw Tony Revelry aka Flash Thompson was sitting in

2105
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:54,120
Speaker 1: my section.

2106
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 2: Great costing.

2107
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:58,200
Speaker 1: Leah mcew, who plays Sprite in the Eternals movie, was

2108
01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: was quite close. Oharah Strong who oh Miss a voice

2109
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 1: acting icon in many, many, many things, including many many

2110
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,400
Speaker 1: video games, and of course Miss minutes from the Low

2111
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 1: Key television program on Disney Plus. And then Frankie Grills

2112
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:21,040
Speaker 1: Frank Grillo and his son aka Crossbones aka Crossbones one

2113
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 1: of the best looking fifty four year old men that

2114
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Speaker 1: we've ever seen. He was also in my section. And

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Speaker 1: that was that was a lot of like very like

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Speaker 1: internety people. There was like a comedian that I follow

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Speaker 1: on TikTok, which is who I couldn't figure out like

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Speaker 1: why they were there, but it was really cool. It

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Speaker 1: was and weird to see them in person and I

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Speaker 1: and I had a suit on, so I did that

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Speaker 1: right and it was a fun vibe like it was

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Speaker 1: didn't get the big we got the big reactions because

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Speaker 1: they had, I think very wisely for vibes, had invited

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Speaker 1: like a lot of hardcore Marvel fans and specifically like

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Speaker 1: cosplay people like they were doing, you know, on on

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Speaker 1: the Red carpet interviews with the stars, but also just

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Speaker 1: like fans, and they had talked to some Wanda cost

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Speaker 1: players who had come like from Germany and Switzerland in

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Speaker 1: different places. So there were like a lot of real

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Speaker 1: like like real big fans and figures in the fan community.

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Speaker 1: So like there was a vibe and there was an

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Speaker 1: like when when six one six was mentioned, people cheered,

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Speaker 1: When the Baxter Foundations, people screamed. When Reid showed up,

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Speaker 1: people went crazy. So there was people knew. And when

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Speaker 1: Mount Wondergre was mentioned, like people cheered, So there was

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Speaker 1: there were people like who knew Marvel Comics, Lauren. That

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Speaker 1: was really really fun. It was a great vibe, very enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: It's super weird to be in that environment, but I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I had a great time, and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait for everybody to see it and hopefully listen to

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Speaker 1: this podcast and and talk about it with us whenever

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Speaker 1: they whenever they see it up. Next, we will go

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Speaker 1: to nerd Out. In today's nerd Out, where you tell

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Speaker 1: us what you love and why, Michael pitches us on

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Speaker 1: the novels of Heather Schaeffer, who, before recently coming out

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Speaker 1: as trans wrote under the name Craig Schaefer.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Jason Rosie and the listeners of X ray Vision.

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Speaker 6: My name is Michael, and I want to introduce you

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Speaker 6: to the collected works of Craig Schaeffer. Honestly, I first

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Speaker 6: stumbled onto this author when the Amazon algorithm told me

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Speaker 6: you might also like this author. When I was looking

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Speaker 6: for the latest Jim Butcher Harry Dresden novel and boy

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Speaker 6: at Mike Lad, I decided to jump in the premise

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Speaker 6: of the first Craig Schaeffer book I read, the Daniel

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Speaker 6: Fous novel The Long Way Down could best be boiled

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Speaker 6: down to what would it be like if Harry Dresident

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Speaker 6: wasn't a very nice person? Or frankly, what if Harry

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Speaker 6: Dresden was kind of an asshole? After that first book,

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Speaker 6: I was hooked. Daniel is a magician slash mobster with

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Speaker 6: a suckybist for a girlfriend that is working his way

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Speaker 6: up the mob food chain in Vegas while battling the

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Speaker 6: demon courts of Hell alongside some other shady cares that

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Speaker 6: include his girlfriend, a blood magician, an arms dealer, and

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Speaker 6: a voodoo priestess. Daniel Faust Let Me to Harmony Black

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Speaker 6: or other series that features an FBI agent that also

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Speaker 6: happens to be a witch and her partner is the

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Speaker 6: daughter of the wolf god. I know it sounds a

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Speaker 6: little batshit crazy, and it is, but only in the

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Speaker 6: best way. What I love about the author is their

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Speaker 6: ability to tie all of her characters and story arcs together,

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Speaker 6: including bringing a coven of witches from an Earth next

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Speaker 6: Door from her revaunch cycle series of Renaissance inspired fantasy

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Speaker 6: tale to modern day New York to interact with all

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Speaker 6: her other characters in the Wisdom's Graves trilogy. All the

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Speaker 6: books are great, and I haven't even gotten into her

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Speaker 6: Charlie McCabe series, that is just a straight up crime thriller.

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Speaker 6: She's getting ready to release the tenth book in the

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Speaker 6: Fout series soon and is working on the seventh book

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Speaker 6: in the Harmony Black series. But her latest work is

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Speaker 6: a standalone novel called any Minor World, which she's surprised

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Speaker 6: dropped last week. It's a noir thriller, an X cop

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Speaker 6: helping a comic book author fight and overcome her characters

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Speaker 6: that are coming to life and trying to kill her. Yep,

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Speaker 6: you heard that right, and yes I have been saying

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Speaker 6: her all this time. On this year's trans Day of Visibility,

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Speaker 6: she came out as Trands. Her name's Heather and her

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Speaker 6: books are awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Michael for submitting. If you want to be featured,

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Speaker 1: send your nerd outpitch to x Ray at cricka dot com.

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Speaker 1: Instructions are in the show notes. We can't wait to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. A big thank you to Rosie Night

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Speaker 1: for joining us on X ray Vision. Rosie, this is

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Speaker 1: the time where you tell people where they can find

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Speaker 1: your stuff. What do you have to plug? Where is

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Speaker 1: it all? Tell us about Godzilla one more time.

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Speaker 2: You can pre order Godzilla now. Can you go to

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Speaker 2: my Instagram page which is Rosie Marx or you google

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Speaker 2: my name. I have a website and you can pre

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Speaker 2: order the comic. You can go to your local comic

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Speaker 2: shop and you can start a Paulist to support your

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Speaker 2: local comic shop with this book on it. You can

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Speaker 2: also see articles that I have written. By the time

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Speaker 2: this podcast is out, those articles will be live. If

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Speaker 2: you've got questions about Clear or Wondergore, or you know

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Speaker 2: the six on six and the history of it, who

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Speaker 2: created it? It's a big it's a big conscientious question.

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Speaker 2: People think it's Alan Moore, but somebody else gets the credit.

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Speaker 2: It's Dave Thorpe. I'm not gonna clickbait you, but but yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's there's lots of cool stuff like that. You can

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Speaker 2: hear me here. Of course, I have a letterboxed which

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Speaker 2: I'm actually updating. I've done some pretty funny reviews recently

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Speaker 2: where I'm not allowed to say anything, so I just

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Speaker 2: like posted funny YouTube videos and yeah, that's that's all

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Speaker 2: the good stuff. And I'm just so happy I got

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Speaker 2: to talk to you about this movie because it was

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Speaker 2: so much fun.

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Speaker 1: It's super fun, folks. You can check out our videos

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Speaker 1: on the Uncultured YouTube channel and the show notes for

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Speaker 1: the listener's guide to x ray Vision, where we provide

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Speaker 1: more details on all the stuff that we talk about

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Speaker 1: in the episodes. Our next episode will be up May thirteen,

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Speaker 1: so we'll be doing adopt Strange mailbag. So we've had

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Speaker 1: any questions after seeing the movie, tweeted us. Email us

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Speaker 1: at x ray at crooked dot com. Let us know

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Speaker 1: what your questions are so we can have your answer

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Speaker 1: for them and for you on the air, and don't

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Speaker 1: We need those five stars. We gotta have the five

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Speaker 1: stars lead thus five stars for us. Please. If you

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Speaker 1: like the podcast, we love it. X ray Vision is

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Speaker 1: a Crooked Media production. The show is produced by Chris

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Speaker 1: Lord and Soul Rubin. The show is executive produced by

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Speaker 1: myself and Sandy's rhard Are editing and sound design. News

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Speaker 1: by Vascillis Fatopoulos. Dellan Villanueva and Matt De Group provide

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Speaker 1: video production support, and alex Rella for handle social media.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Brian Vasquez for theme music. See you next time.

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Speaker 2: Bye,