1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: On July twelfth, nineteen ninety four, in downtown Newport News, Virginia, 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: a car full of young men opened fire at another 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: group outside of a public housing complex. Three young people 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: were injured, and nineteen year old Stephen Smith was fatally shot. 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Soon after, fifteen year old Darryl Hunter was implicated, which 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: then led to his brother Nathaniel and his best friend Reginald, 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: whose compelling alibis were ignored when they were later identified 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: by several alleged eyewitnesses. This is Wrongful Conviction. You're listening 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: to Wrongful Conviction. You can listen to this and all 10 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: the Lava for Good podcasts one week early and ad 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: free by subscribing to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. 12 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Wrong for Conviction. Today, we're covering the 13 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: case that I've been obsesseding about for many years, case 14 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: I was personally very involved with, and three guys who 15 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: have become close to, the Virginia Three. We've covered a 16 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: lot of Virginia cases on the podcast, and a lot 17 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: of them involved similar situations, false witnesses, misconduct. But first 18 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to introduce the Virginia Three. Let's see should 19 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: we do this in alphabetical order. 20 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: My name is Virginal Fletcher. 21 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 3: I was nineteen years old in nineteen ninety four, falsely convicted, 22 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: accused of a crime I didn't commit. 23 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 4: Daryl hunter Well, I was fifteen years old when I 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 4: was arrested for the crime. 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: Then the one and only. 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 5: Hello, my name is the thing you Piers. I was 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 5: locked up when I was twenty four for something I 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 5: had no knowledge. 29 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: Of, and you guys were sentenced to hundreds of years 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: collectively in prison and served between all three of you 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: almost eight years. But tell us about Newport News around 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: the time of this crime, which was nineteen ninety four. 33 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: Back in ninety four in Newport News, Yes, to collect 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: them was real heavy, especially the I where the crime 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: took place at. 36 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 6: Violence was crazy in the city. 37 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: Anybody was just getting harmed and killed, and it was 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: cops and everything. So the life expectancy of somebody where 39 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 4: I confrom was you know what I'm saying. 40 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: Long. 41 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 5: They had the highest murder rate, number three in the world. 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 5: There wasn't closing a lot of these cases because the 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 5: Commonwealth Arattorney didn't get They wasn't investigating these cases. There 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 5: wasn't testing evidence in these cases. Nevertheless, we fell victim 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 5: to this situation. 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: I had things I wanted to be in life, you 47 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: know what I mean, And I didn't even get to 48 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 4: make it. 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 6: A high school. 50 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: You were the youngest there. Let's start with you. What 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: were your lives like, you. 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: Know, early nineties. Everybody it was a product of environment. 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: So everybody wanted to be small time petty hustlers or whatever. 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: And people hustled just to get closed whatever and chase chicks. 55 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: And I'd like to go to school every day because 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 4: I'm going to school with these clothes on that I bought. 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 6: Every day I got. 58 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: Off from school, I watched cartoons, Bugs, Bunny and all that. 59 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 6: Before I ain't got with him. 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: I got this question asked a lot of times back then. 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: They were like, why you hanging with little dir He's 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: fifteen years old, little dirt heart. 63 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: Some of the older guys I with the heart. 64 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: You guys were next door neighbors, right, You. 65 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: Still got my Nintendo too at home? Man, when I 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: got arrested, I never got to get it back. 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: It's an antique. 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, I need that shit. I just I'm glad you 69 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 6: said something. 70 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 4: He got money to you, like play games, gamble, Like 71 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 4: what they do now with the kids do now they 72 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: play the games. And that's what I was into, Like 73 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: skating ring was the thing round our way, and the 74 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 4: game room and smoke blunts and then I come home 75 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 4: and late at night and I had to have beavers 76 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 4: and buttheads when I smoked my bes and but that's 77 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: what was going on. 78 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 6: And pop punk golf. Used to go to puppunk golf 79 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 6: a lot. Man. I used to go to pump punk golf. 80 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, right, who would win at pup punk off? 81 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: You would win? Yes, uh, well, you had four years 82 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: on him. What else? What were your other interests? Because 83 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: you were out of high school by this time. 84 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: Being nineteen years old, had a job. I was at 85 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: some females. It's a jewelry shooting, dice gambling, hang out, 86 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: pup hunt, but most poorly, like still out of trouble. 87 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: Like you can't get him to smoke a blunt on 88 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 4: a corner. He not doing it. 89 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: And what about you, Nathaniel, You were twenty four, right. 90 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 5: Yes, I was twenty four at the time. I had 91 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,119 Speaker 5: a job. I was taking care of my kids, living 92 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 5: a good life. I did. I was doing good. And 93 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 5: we hang out and go to the movies and do things. 94 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 5: Might hang out with them for hours some but I 95 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 5: have kids. The day that I don't hang out with them, yeah, 96 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 5: I mean like this is what happened the day that 97 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 5: I don't go because I had a cast on when 98 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 5: they I ain't want to go with them. 99 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: Unrelated to the cast on his leg, a neighborhood guy 100 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: named Terence Gibbons allegedly had made an attempt on Nathaniel's 101 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: life in May nineteen ninety four. So now there we 102 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: were on the evening of July twelfth, nineteen ninety four, 103 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: and Reginald and Daryl were shooting dice without Nathaniel in 104 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: uptown Newport News, a predominantly white area. 105 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: Mea Darrel was the together all day, so we was 106 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: at a little small hotel called green Oaks. There was 107 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: some Texico gas station connected to green Oaks, so we 108 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: would leave green Oaks to go to testa code. Were 109 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: bust some chips, soda some. 110 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: This was about twelve miles north of the crime scene, 111 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: which occurred in front of a public housing complex at 112 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: the forty seven hundred block of Marshall Avenue. Meanwhile, Nathaniel, 113 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: who went by the nickname Muchie, was hanging out locally 114 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: with his injured leg. About a quarter of a mile 115 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: down Marshall Avenue. 116 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 5: I was walking from forty first Street. I was with 117 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 5: a friend, Lynn Woodsmith. We had a drunk of forty ounce. 118 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 5: I said, man, I'm going back up here because it's 119 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 5: getting dark. So as I'm walking down the street, I 120 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 5: heard gunshot. I don't think none of it, but I 121 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 5: started hearing ammal lambs and polices and everything going. By 122 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 5: the time I get to the forty fourth Street, people 123 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 5: running everywhere, a car skirted and everything. I keep on 124 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 5: walking up the sidewalk. This little boy was up on 125 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 5: a car. He run from one of the car said moochie, 126 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 5: please save my life. Don't let him kill me. Take 127 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 5: me home. I'm not driving, so walking This lady, I said, can, 128 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 5: I called him a cab. Her name was Orjrey Evans. 129 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 5: I went into her house and called him a cab. 130 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 5: Sent them on to his mother. Saved his life. 131 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: According to witnesses, just a few blocks up on Marshall Avenue, 132 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: three to five men got out of a car firing 133 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: around one hundred shots, some into the air, others at 134 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: a group of young people on the front porch. Fourteen 135 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: year old Maurice Johnson, seventeen year old Alan Stowe's and 136 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: twenty one year old Quentin Royal were injured, while nineteen 137 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: year old Stephen Smith was fatally shot through his neck. Meanwhile, 138 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: Daryl and Reginald were still shooting Dice at the Texicgo station. 139 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: When Darryl, now remember this is nineteen ninety four, he 140 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: got a beep, you know, on his beeper telling him 141 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: to call home. 142 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 6: It's all was a small time house. So I had 143 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 6: a pager. So I went to the store. 144 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 4: I got some quarters and I called my sister back 145 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 4: and she told me to a crime app. She said, 146 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 4: he's shooting. She put Daddy on the phone. Man brango 147 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: ass home. 148 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm like shy, right, so therey they could have got 149 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: the phone records as well. 150 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I look at like ten thirty five, his mother said, 151 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: us at home before eleven o'clock. 152 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 4: We wave uptown the white people neighborhoods. The crime happened downtown. 153 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: At the distance from Texico to where we lived at 154 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: I say about twenty minutes. So I said, oh, look, 155 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: I get him home for letting them clock because less 156 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: I'm in real lights. So when I take him home. 157 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: Before we pull up on Washing Avenue, we see sirens. 158 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: The whole street is lit up. 159 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: All you've seen was likes and so many police cars. 160 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 4: We see everybody outside. So he dropped me off at 161 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: the house and I stand outside too. She I'm nosy too. 162 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: What happened? Somebody got shot? 163 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 6: The news? 164 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: Come on now, I'm about to go in there. You know, 165 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna watch beefs and butheads. But I'm gonna watch 166 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: the news now because it's breaking news. It's messing up 167 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 4: beavers and but heads. I see my neighbor on the 168 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: news talking about how he got shot. I say, damn man, 169 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: that's boo on the news. What didn't happened? 170 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 6: No night go on. 171 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: About four o'clock in the morning, my mom came upstairs. 172 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: She said, third of the police, won't you come downstairs? 173 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: Go downstairs. So they were like, we need to speak 174 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: to you. I'm looking at my mama, So she was like, all, 175 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 4: let me go get dressed. They take me outside, put 176 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: me in the car and drive off with take me 177 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: over town interrogate. I was willing to talk to him. 178 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: I don't know what they're talking about. 179 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: So it appears that either someone had falsely implicated Daryl, 180 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: or perhaps his interrogators Riley and Shepherd, were lying to 181 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: him about being implicated. 182 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: I'm to the point where I'm mad, and I was like, well, 183 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 4: go get him and tell him me to come in 184 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: here and say it to my face. I don't know 185 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: what the hell you talking about. It who you can 186 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 4: check me for gunpowder? Man, I ain't shot nobody. So 187 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: when they hear that, I see all types of people 188 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: coming in and check my clothes, check my hair, check 189 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: my face, checked my whole body. I told the techt 190 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 4: the Spinner, because he came in the room while Riley 191 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: and Shepherd was questioning me. I said, we was up 192 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: there shooting Dice by the store. I know they got 193 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: a surveillance camera in there. He radio police out there 194 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: to go to the store. When he asks them people, 195 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 4: he say, the lady was like, gave it the tape. 196 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Her name was Robin Raimie, rightyes. 197 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 6: Air white woman. 198 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: She told him everything that we was doing outside in 199 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 4: stool at the time of the shooting, at the time 200 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 4: of the shoot. 201 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 5: And the detective when it got the tape. 202 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 6: When it got the tape, what they do with the tape, 203 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 6: I don't know. 204 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: We don't know. 205 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 6: Detective spent On, tell him go. He ain't take him 206 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 6: back home. 207 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: My mom came back up there because she was mad 208 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: because they drove off with me. 209 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 6: You ain't got none to worry about with your son. 210 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: They had to know you had a solid alibi. Gunshot 211 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: residue test. I mean you're on. 212 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 6: Video all white woman. 213 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: A white woman, yes, a white woman. Over the course 214 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: of the next three weeks, it seems like the police 215 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: arrested or detained several individuals from the neighborhood, including Tory Davis, 216 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: Clyde Dargan, and Terence Gibbons, who we mentioned was facing 217 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: an attempted murder charge on none other than Nathaniel Pierce. Now, 218 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: obviously that charge was known to the defense, but not 219 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: Gibbons's other unrelated charges, nor were those that the other 220 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: two alleged witnesses were facing, which it appears had been 221 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: used to gather statements that were all later recanted, all 222 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: of them. Now, interestingly, Terrence Gibbons had a cousin named 223 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: Damian Claude who looked similar to one of the victims, 224 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: and he and Daryl had had a previous beef. 225 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: We had an incident, but the incident was him being 226 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 4: the aggressor. We end up shaking hands and pawow, now 227 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. We had a full blown 228 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 4: sit down with our parents. Our parents got involved, so 229 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: his mom sent them off the job corp. Next time 230 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: I know, they've been using him as a motive. They 231 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 4: say that I was trying to kill him. 232 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: And by August fourth, Tory Davis, Clyde Dargan, and Terrence 233 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: Gibbons were willing to identify shooters from lineups, so the 234 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: police picked up Darryl, Reginald and Nathaniel. 235 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 5: If He came to the house to get me the post. 236 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 5: They said, well, can we just talk to you for 237 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 5: a minute. I said, y'all can talk to me right here. 238 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 5: I said, do you got to want He said no, 239 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 5: we don't got a wart. He said, well you coming 240 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 5: right back? I said, coming right back? I ain't going 241 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 5: nowhere with y'all. He said, yes, she is. They handcuffed me, 242 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 5: but I wasn't underrest. If they just wanted to question me, 243 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 5: why did they handcuff me? So I went down there 244 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 5: and I told them everything that I'd done that day 245 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 5: and where I was at. I had the little boy 246 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 5: who life I was saved who was right there, who's 247 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 5: seen the crime happen, and the detective, Charles Spinner, I'll 248 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 5: never forget it. They called him Chucky. He told me, said, 249 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 5: what you're telling me is the truth. I'm going to 250 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 5: see that guy's mother right now, he said, And what 251 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 5: you telling me is the truth. I'm gonna be back 252 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 5: to get you. Man. I ain't never see him no more. 253 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 5: I seen him in two thousand and eight. 254 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: And we're going to come back to that encounter later. 255 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: But it appears that if Spinner had spoken to that 256 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: boy and his mother, any record of that is probably 257 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: wherever the surveillance video went. So now, on the strength 258 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: of cost and incentivized statements, the Virginia three were charged 259 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: with one count of first degree murder, three counts of 260 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: malicious maiming, as well as gun charges, and fifteen year 261 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: old Darryl was going to be charged as an adult, 262 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: but his older brother Nathaniel was tried first in January 263 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, where he was identified by Davis, Dargan, 264 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: and Gibbons, all of whom unbeknownst to the defense Well 265 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: it seems like they had various arrangements with the state. 266 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 5: Those were the only three witnesses that come le've had 267 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 5: against him? 268 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: What was in your favor? 269 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 5: I had it in my favor that I had a 270 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 5: cast on my leg. All the perpetrators ran away from 271 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 5: the crime scene. 272 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,359 Speaker 1: And that running element was a key piece of Darget's testimony, 273 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: even though the cast made it literally impossible. And in addition, 274 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: his attorney pointed out the unrelated charge that they did 275 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: know about, that the attempted murder charges against Gibbons had 276 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: curiously been dropped by the time of his testimony. Unfortunately, though, 277 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: the defense could not find that thirteen year old boy 278 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: whom Nathaniel had saved, and it appears that the detectives 279 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: hadn't even tried. Certainly his testimony would have made a huge. 280 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 5: Difference when it came back with the verdict. It was 281 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: like nine oh four at night. I had been sitting 282 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 5: out in a bullpen for hours. I just knew, I 283 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 5: believe the shots said go, don't keep you closed on. 284 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 5: You'd be going in a few minutes. Everybody in the 285 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 5: courtroom knew I won. They had nothing on me. Literally, 286 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 5: everything that they said was a lot. They'd come back 287 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 5: with a couple of hot sauce, a piece of chicken, 288 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 5: a Coca Cola and a life sentence plus seventy eight 289 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 5: years and sixty days and sent me. 290 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: To prison life plus seventy eight years and sixty days 291 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: and sixty days and sixty days. Apparently he had missed 292 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: the court date related to Gibbons' attempted murder proceedings. Now, 293 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: perhaps they were trying to give the appearance that the 294 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: drop charges were related only to that, even though Nathaniel 295 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: could not have been there because he was in custody 296 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: at the time for a driving charge. 297 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 5: Was ready in jail, so I could I a miscought 298 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 5: and if I'm already in your custody, they gave me 299 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 5: sixty days for that too. I looked back at my mother. 300 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 5: She's like, May I couldn't cry because I know I 301 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 5: hadn't killed nobody. 302 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Darryl, who had been granted bond, had chosen to 303 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: stay in pretrial's attention. 304 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 4: At first, I was like, don't waste no more money 305 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: because I ain't do nothing. We gonna beat it because 306 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: we had three of the best lawyers and known in 307 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 4: our city. 308 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 6: So I'm thinking I'm going home. 309 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: When they found him guilty, I read it the paper 310 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 4: to common well talking in the paper and they were like, 311 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: we coming to get his little brother, Daryl Hunter. 312 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 6: Next. I'm like, oh my god. When I read that, 313 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 6: come and get me out on bond expeditiously. I'm scared. 314 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 6: I'm like, man, y'all gotta come get me. 315 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 7: Man. 316 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: You know, I turned into a little kid there. You 317 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, y'all, I gotta do that. 318 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: My mom and dad came and bailed me out. 319 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: And then he went to trial next. Yeah, I went 320 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: to trial next, and you had a bench trial. 321 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 6: My lawyer told me to a jury, I can beat 322 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 6: the jury. 323 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: But I was like, oh uh, Joel, I want to 324 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 4: I don't want no people to come here because there 325 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 4: might be some people that know the people. That's what 326 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: my mind thinking. I want to do it. I'm gonna 327 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 4: take him. I think that was a bad mistake for 328 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: me to. 329 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: Do Again, the state presented Clyde Dargan, who only identified 330 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: Nathaniel as he ran away from the scene, never mind 331 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: the cast on his leg, but the judge credited his 332 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: testimony anyway. Then Terence Gibbons identified all three of them, 333 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: but was discredited with the dropped attempted murder charge. This time, 334 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: one of the victims in this case, Maurice Johnson, testified 335 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: to something that no one else had ever said. He 336 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: testified that Daryl stood over him and fired. However, he 337 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: was contradicted by the physical evidence because no shell casings 338 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: were found where he was recovered by first responders. And finally, 339 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Tory Davis said that he was standing across the street 340 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: at the gas pump and identified all three. 341 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: The judge wanted to go to the crime saying he 342 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: wanted to see what he witnessed the city was standing 343 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 4: at would he said, he's seeing me from he went 344 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 4: out there and say, well, I can see from grossy 345 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 4: streets if I've seen put the deputy over there. Yeah, 346 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: I think I can identify somebody if I already knew 347 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 4: he was fixed for. 348 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,479 Speaker 1: So despite the testimony of Robin Raymie, the Texico cashier 349 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: placing Darryl and Reginalds uptown, the judge credited Davis at Dargan. 350 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 4: It was just tragedy, you know what I'm saying, Like 351 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 4: I ain't even get to make it a high school. 352 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: I ain't get to spurns none of that, Like no 353 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: prom no nothing. And I had to grow up over 354 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: the phone listen to my friends. You know what I'm saying, 355 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: grow up and what happened in school today? That was 356 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: like interested in me. 357 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: What was your sentence? 358 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 6: It gave me one hundred and twelve. 359 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: Years at fifteen years old. 360 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 6: I was sixteen, just turned sixteen. 361 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: One hundred and twelve years. What even is that? And 362 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: no other country in the world does it this way. 363 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: I mean maybe North Korea, I don't know, but so regularly. 364 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: You were the last of the three to go to trial. Yes, sir, 365 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: obviously you were very well aware of what had happened. 366 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I was devastated and then I felt like I 367 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 3: don't have a chance. 368 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: I had a jelly trial. My trial last three days. 369 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 3: So the deputy during the time was in listening and 370 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 3: he said, you might got a great shot. I won't 371 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: say they got found guilty. The evidence that they was presenting. 372 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. 373 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: But again, Dargan only I d Nathaniel with his running story. 374 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: Gibbons id'd all of them, but was again impeached, And 375 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: this time Davis said that the Commonwealth told him what 376 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: to say and that his eyesight was twenty fifty. But 377 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: even with that and the alibi testimony, of Robin Raimi. 378 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: Somehow regimen was still found guilty. 379 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: So after the guilty verdict, I sat there for a second. 380 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't in disbelief about it because my other two 381 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: brothers had already been found guilty. But not only did 382 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 3: they drag us down and found us guilty, but my 383 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: father caught a case behind this as well. 384 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 385 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: All he said was that's not fair, my son is innocent. 386 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: But he took his words in and said that my 387 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 3: father had threatened the witnesses after the jury had found 388 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: me guilty. 389 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: See which was it? Lie? 390 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: Was your father convicted? No, sir, they meant to that. 391 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: He just got community service. But he shouldn't have had nothing. 392 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: What was your sentence? 393 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: I had seventy eight years? 394 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: Seventy eight years. 395 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I had a daughter at the time. She was 396 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: only four months so for me to leave her in 397 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: the world alone and deal with the prison system, it 398 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: didn't sept with with me. For like twenty four and 399 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: a half years. I cried almost every night. 400 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 7: We lost everything for nothing. 401 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 5: I went to prison with life in seventy eight years 402 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 5: and sixty days. I got there around three something in 403 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 5: the morning. It was so cold outside. They told me 404 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 5: to take off all my clothes. They put some shampoo 405 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 5: in my head and sprayed me down with a holes 406 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 5: like they have on the fire truck. They gave me 407 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 5: a blanket and took me to a seal. I knew 408 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 5: my life and changed in it really messed with me 409 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 5: because I hadn't done nothing. I'm around all these dangerous peoples, 410 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 5: so I had to adapt. 411 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 6: Prison was hard. I got pressed a lot in it, 412 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 6: but it ain't no chump. 413 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 4: It was like I might got to punch you in 414 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 4: your face with staring at me too long or something, 415 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: just to make a statement because I'm one hundred. 416 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: Pounds, you innocent and you're around. Somebody liked that. 417 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: I actually pretend like I was guilty. Could it asks 418 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 3: you what you're here for? What did you do? So 419 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: I used that a little bit to get through the time, 420 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: and also present letters, write letters every day for help. 421 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 3: I took programs a lot of different type of trays 422 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: to put myself in a position to be able to 423 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: get early parole. Well, at least I thought I was 424 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: a gett early parole because I know I believe that 425 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 3: I could be in prison for twenty four and a half. 426 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Years, especially since right after Reginald's conviction, Nathaniel was granted 427 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: a new trial and direct appeal. It was discovered that 428 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: Clyde Dargan's history as an informant was hidden from the defense. However, 429 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 1: Nathaniel was once again found guilty in nineteen ninety six 430 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: on Dargan's testimony. Since that time, evidence of Dargan's relationship 431 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: with police was revealed to include offerings of testimony true 432 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: or false, as well as a cut of his drug 433 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: money in exchange for freedom on a leash, so to speak. 434 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: But that's not all that the Virginia Three discovered, considering 435 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: that they ran into other guys in prison whom they'd 436 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: known since they had moved with their parents to Newport News. 437 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 4: Soon as I moved in the neighborhood, a lot of 438 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 4: hate and envies. Thought it come in my way, you 439 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 4: know what I mean, juvenile stuff. I was always wondering 440 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 4: why what did I do? Because my dad was in 441 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 4: the shipyard in the military my whole life. I asked 442 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 4: one of the dudes that I grew up with. I say, man, 443 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 4: why dude, low me? He say, Man, I'm gonna tell. 444 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 7: You the truth. 445 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 4: Because you had a daddy I say what, So dudes said, man, 446 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 4: your daddy brought your shoes or Friday bro. 447 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: So they were jealous, jealous. The first of the recantations 448 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: came in two thousand and seven from Terrence Gibbons, saying 449 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: that he was coerced by others to lie, and it 450 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: was discovered that in addition to his attempted murder, chargers 451 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: being dropped, nine ounces of cocaine possession went away as well. 452 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: And maybe it was this recantation, but something prompted Detective 453 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: Spinner to visit Nathaniel Pierce in two thousand and eight. 454 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 5: Two thousand and eight, he came to South having correction 455 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 5: on Centay to see me. I ain't know who's visiting, 456 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 5: so I go over there and he's standing there. They 457 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 5: had me handcuffed. The lieutenant took the handcuffs home. He said, 458 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 5: they don't want you handcoff because they never let you 459 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 5: go in there with the police without handcuffs on. He said, 460 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Spinner. He told me he was sorry. He said, 461 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 5: I'll be about to get you with the Fridays. We're 462 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 5: gonna get all this straight. 463 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Did he have like a religious awakening or why the 464 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: hell did he come in and come clean to you. 465 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 5: Why he went home and died that weekend. Did he 466 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 5: look sick, Yeah, he was a little skinnier. 467 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: So maybe he knew he was dying and want to 468 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: get ready with good and fest is up to you. 469 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: But there's no recording of that meeting. Obviously right now 470 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: they recorded. 471 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 5: But I can prove that he can't even see me. 472 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 5: And I got a couple letters from him and Howard Gwinn. 473 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 5: Howard Gwinn had sent me a letter like three weeks 474 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 5: ahead and say, yeah, he now works for me. This 475 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 5: is what they do. They reopened the case up. They 476 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 5: put a detective, her name is Misty Mercer on the case. 477 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 5: I'd never seen her. I never heard from her. I 478 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 5: never talked to her. Neither one of them never talked 479 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 5: to her. Nevertheless, the common with attorney, I kept writing 480 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 5: them and writing them. He kept asking me for my evidence. 481 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 5: He concocted the story. They have people to say we've 482 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 5: done things that he knew we didn't do. 483 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: According to Tory, Davis, who had already admitted at Reginald's 484 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: trial that his vision was very poor. This is part 485 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: of his twenty sixteen recantation, said that after he was 486 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: arrested on unrelated drug charges in nineteen ninety four. Spinner 487 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: brought him to Gwynn's office, where he was fed the 488 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: narrative and in exchange for his testimony, that his charges 489 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: would be dropped. Damien Claude also recanted, saying that the 490 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: whole motive about his prior beef with Daryl was actually nonsense. 491 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: It was bogus. And lastly, Clyde Dargan made a dying 492 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: declaration recanting and admitting his cozy relationship with Newport News police. Additionally, 493 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: his wife and mother in law added that Clyde had 494 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: not witnessed the shooting at all. And Nathaniel was also 495 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: able to reach the thirteen year old boy who he'd 496 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: help save all those years ago. 497 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 5: After twenty three years one of my friends got out. 498 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 5: I said, man, could you go around there and get 499 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 5: the address. I'm gonna try to write to his mother 500 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 5: and tell her I say this his life. He wouldn't 501 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 5: there and got the address, but it wasn't the right address, 502 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 5: so I put a picture in there with the letter. 503 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 5: It went to the wrong house. Just so happened. Somehow 504 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 5: somebody opened the mail, read the letter and take it 505 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 5: to this lady the boy and mother called the news 506 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 5: after she read my letter and asked her son, did 507 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 5: somebody ever save your life? He said, yeah Muchie. 508 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: Local News three, specifically WTKRS. Breonna Berry interviewed the boy, 509 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: who is now a man, who asked that his identity 510 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: be hidden as the shooters were still at large, and 511 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: he described being chased by one of them before Nathaniel 512 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: had heroically brought him to safety. 513 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 5: Before the story aired, I had an opportunity on February 514 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 5: twenty seventh, twenty eighteen, to speak with Adrian Bennett. She 515 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 5: came to see me. 516 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: The head of the parole board. Adrian Bennett had already 517 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: received the parole package from Nathaniel and she was now 518 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: aware of the News three coverage and she paid Nathaniel 519 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: to visit. 520 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 5: And she told me. She said, I've seen Reginald a 521 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 5: couple of days ago. 522 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: He's doing good. 523 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 5: I say yeah, I say, miss Bennett, I say, you 524 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 5: know from the package that I sent you. I said, 525 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 5: you had an opportunity to view it, to read did 526 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: and everything. She said, Well, what I'm gonna do for you, 527 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 5: I'm going to to murder victim's mother. That lady told 528 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 5: her everything She wanted to hear that we didn't do 529 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 5: the crime, and she didn't know what to do after 530 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 5: we were sent to prison. 531 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: The murder victim's mother she told Adrian Bennett, who is 532 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: the head of the parole board, she knew we. 533 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 5: Didn't kill her son, and Adrian she knowed the story 534 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 5: is going to air on the news the next day. 535 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 5: Before the story ed, Reginald got paroleed. 536 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: All three men received support for their parole from the 537 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: Radical Hope Project, and Reginald was the first to be 538 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: released on February twenty eighth of twenty eighteen. 539 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: So the first thing I done is kissed the ground, 540 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: looked up in the sky. Thank you. 541 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 3: It was a blessing, a dream come true. It took 542 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: twenty four a half years, but that was a feeling 543 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 3: that I can't never ever forget. I ended up getting 544 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 3: car sick because I haven't rolled in the car for 545 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: so long. I wasn't used to the air. The air 546 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: and society is diffrom the air. This in prison, I've 547 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 3: been going so long. I had to get readapted all 548 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 3: over again to society. 549 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: And while Reginald began that journey, there were still two 550 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: more men to go as far as I can recall, 551 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: I was in Virginia to walk Lenny Singleton out of prison, 552 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: and then I met that reporter there, Brionna Barry, and 553 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: she told me about you guys, and that's the first 554 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: time I had heard about it, and I had cultivated 555 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: a relationship with the powers that be in Virginia. 556 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 4: Oh so that's how you and up sending the email back. 557 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 5: God sent me to you, Jason Flom. I told you 558 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 5: my story. You listen to me. I wrote you here 559 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 5: I am on today. I thank you for doing everything 560 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 5: you're done for me. The Virginia three he went to 561 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 5: the parole board. He spoke to them for me. I 562 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 5: had opportunity to speak with them. We're all grateful for him. 563 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Nathaniel was finally granted parol in December of twenty eighteen. 564 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 5: I lost so much in prison. I lost out on 565 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 5: my kids life because everybody had told them Eliza about me, 566 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 5: and they had looked at me as I was a murderer. 567 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 5: And it's hard to date for me to stand there 568 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 5: with my kids and they don't look at me that way. 569 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 5: I don't know now, man that goes to prison, that 570 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 5: comes out here that can tell you that he's mentally stable. 571 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 5: They sending us right back out here to society without 572 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: giving us the problem. 573 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 6: Help. 574 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: You're not coming back out there the same way you 575 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 5: went in. And then they seen you right back out 576 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 5: here for resitivist. I had an officer tell me that. 577 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 5: He said, I see you back. I seen him not 578 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 5: too long ago. He bowed down to me. He bowed 579 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 5: down to me. He said, I never believed you. He said, 580 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 5: you're right here. He said, I'm sorry. 581 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: Darryl's release soon followed. In July of twenty nineteen. 582 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 4: They try to plan a knife on me. A couple 583 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 4: of days before that. Wow, they kicked in the sell. 584 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 4: I'm in the park where everybody got a least dating 585 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 4: the pod. They come in and they go in the 586 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: ventilation system. They pull out something about this long and 587 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 4: I said, well, I ain't man. I'm gonna go home. 588 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 4: You know that, right, I'm gonna go home. Like a 589 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 4: couple of days, I'm on the damn TV. What the 590 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 4: hell I need a knife? They was like, you don't 591 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 4: do another news and interview. I think you had some 592 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 4: people calling me and hit me up or something. It 593 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 4: was something that I saw. They was emailing me and 594 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 4: everything Dateline, Night Line one of them, and they was 595 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: asking for interviews and they was like, I was like. 596 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 6: I'm gonna hear him out. I'm gonna hear him out. 597 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: And they came, this is yours right, like, nah, so 598 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 4: you're gonna do an interview. I was like, what you mean? Yeah, 599 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do an interview every chance I get. Well, 600 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 4: it's gonna be your knife. So you want to go home. 601 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: What was the first thing you did when you got 602 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: out barrow? 603 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 6: Everything? 604 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: Life has been beautiful, you know, it's except just losing 605 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: my father and my brother. 606 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 6: Because when I got out, I don't even know. 607 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: My dad had to mention I ain't no because he 608 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 4: was talking like he knew what was going on. So 609 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 4: to have somebody to take care of you like that 610 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 4: all your life. I'm talking about all the way util 611 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: we walked out of the door, my dad held us down 612 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: like it was mind bogging for me. Like I think 613 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 4: about it all the time, like, damn, man got a 614 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 4: good ass dad. 615 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 6: Man. 616 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 4: We you know what I'm saying. The man send his 617 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 4: money every week, you know, while we was in there. 618 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 4: So that breaks me down sometime when I think about it, 619 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: like cause I ain't got them no. 620 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: More right Apparently, their father Nathaniel, uncle Clarence, and their 621 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: brother Raymond, among so many other family members who are 622 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: still with us, like their sister Belinda, their mothers well, 623 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: they all had really stepped up for them throughout the 624 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: entire ordeal, helping with attorney's fees, with Nathaniel's kids, whatever 625 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: they needed. So the passing of these three family members 626 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: is all the more painful as a result. We're gonna 627 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: dedicate this episode to them. May they rest in peace 628 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: and power. But the story isn't over yet because even 629 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: though they've been paroled, the This Is Project took up 630 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: the cause of clearing all of their names. 631 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: All the evidence that the Innocent Project got right now, 632 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 4: they hit all this stuff, this show that we completely 633 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: innocent and all the stuff that were all deceived the 634 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 4: court with lies and they knew that we didn't have 635 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 4: nothing to do with it because they told them what 636 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 4: to say against us, Like you had the truth, you 637 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: had all the shell cases. It's four different guns, you 638 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 4: only locked up three. 639 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: There are shellcasings and weapons that could and should be 640 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: tested for DNA, as well as more witnesses who have 641 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: come forward who could shed light on what was known 642 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: about the actual shooters, and maybe even more importantly, what 643 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: was hidden. 644 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 5: And it's been happening and continually happened. This is a 645 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 5: pattern of Keith Haywood, David Boyse. All of these people 646 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 5: have the same crime, the same detectives, everything, the same 647 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 5: commonwealth and it's going to continue to be in the 648 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 5: same cycle if somebody don't break the chain. 649 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: Fortunately, Howard Gwynn was recently defeated in the Democratic primary 650 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: by Shannon Jones, and we here at Wrongful Conviction are 651 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: all hoping that this is a positive development as we 652 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: move forward in this case, justice cannot be delayed any longer. 653 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: These guys are innocent and they deserve to have their 654 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: names cleared. And now we're going to go to my 655 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: favorite part of the show, closing arguments, where I'm going 656 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: to turn my microphone off, kick back in my chair 657 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: and let you guys share any other thoughts that you 658 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: may have. And again, thank you for being here. It's 659 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: sorry for everything you guys went through. I'm so happy 660 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: we're finally going to get your story out there to 661 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: the world the way it should have been told in 662 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: the first place. 663 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 3: Reginald, I want to give a special thanks to Jason 664 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: Flumm his whole team having no Gian three out to 665 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 3: aari story, and also to all the running conviction that 666 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: goes on all over the world. It's said that it 667 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: happens well thanks to social media. It is dead time 668 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: to shed a light on that type of justice, not 669 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: just in Virginia but all over. 670 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 2: It needs to stop. 671 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 3: Thank y'all once again for believing in the Virginia Three 672 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 3: in other cases as well. 673 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 5: Nathan Yel, I just want to thank Jason Flom, Kevin Connor, 674 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 5: you guys for everything that y'all have done for us. 675 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 5: And I'm grateful and I'm humbled that the guys have 676 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 5: done what they've done. The witnesses that came forward to 677 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 5: do what they're supposed to do, then get these convictions 678 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 5: up off of us. You know, you always heard that 679 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 5: trouble is easy to get it, but hard to get out. 680 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 5: It's true. It's been thirty years we've been dealing with 681 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 5: this situation, and I just pray that it's over real soon. 682 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 5: I just want to thank my wife. I thank you 683 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 5: for doing everything you've done for me. I really think 684 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 5: everybody that has been there for the Virginia Three that 685 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 5: has followed the Virginia Three that know the Virginia three story, Jason, 686 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 5: all the guys here wrong for Conviction, our lawyer, John 687 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 5: love It, Joe Maroon take those two. Thank you everybody 688 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 5: and Daryl. 689 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 4: Now, I just want to thank everybody that would you know, 690 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 4: helped to lease the speed as an advocate down there 691 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 4: in Virginia. 692 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,719 Speaker 6: That helps a lot of people. 693 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 4: Brianna Barry, the National Action Network, brotheren Tooms, Mister Archie, 694 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 4: Jason Flume, Benjamin Crump, everybody that came along and spoke 695 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 4: up on it and spoke for us. You know what 696 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,959 Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like it takes a whole lot of people, 697 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 4: you know, to come together to make something like this happen. 698 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 4: You know, me being locked up at fifteen years old 699 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 4: like that was a I hope this can register to 700 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 4: some people out there so we can stop this type 701 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 4: of stuff, you know what I mean. 702 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 6: That's that's that's basically it. And I just want to thank. 703 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 4: Everybody that was involved, Joe, Ron John, my lawyer, John 704 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 4: love It, everybody that's coming together for the one cause. 705 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Conviction. 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