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Thank you for being with us. 21 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Molly goes missing on a regular jog. How many times 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: have all of us gone out for a walk, out 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: for a jog without any question that in forty minutes 24 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: an hour would be back home. How many times if 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I love my twins to go jogging, never thinking I 26 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't be back to them? Straight out? Now to Chuck Roberts, 27 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories, investigative reporter, Chuck, let's start at the beginning. 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Tell me about Molly Tibbitt's going to jog. Well, she 29 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: went out late Wednesday evening. She was staying at the 30 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: house of her boyfriend and her boyfriend's brother, sort of 31 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: dog sitting during the summer. She had a job about 32 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: thirty miles away, and she went out for a jog 33 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: after texting her mom and after snapchatting her boyfriend and 34 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: has not been seen since. This is late Wednesday night 35 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: in a town called Brooklyn, Iowa. It's about an hour 36 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: east of Des Moines, a little west of Iowa City. 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: She's a college student in Iowa City. UH and UH 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: searchers have tried everything they know. Two D fifty searchers 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: went out. They've been door to door searchers. Every farm 40 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: building has been checked. Even kayakers searched miles along the 41 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: small rivers on both sides of the town. No sign 42 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: of Molly. She apparently left with her cell phone, but 43 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: all calls to her cell phone immediately go to voicemail, 44 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: so it's either dead or it's been turned off. She 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: left her I D and her car keys at home, 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: and she left her glasses and her boyfriend, who was 47 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: not home. He's working in Dubuque about two hours away. 48 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: Said that she also left her lass and she can't 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: see anything without her glasses. So wait a minute, right there. 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: That's giving me pause for concern, because if she can't 51 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: see anything without her glasses, how can she go jogging 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: without her glasses? I want to make sure she actually 53 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: left that apartment. Let me ask you a series of 54 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: rapid fire cross examination questions, Chuck Roberts, Are we sure 55 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: the boyfriend was in debue at the time she gets missing. 56 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't have confirmation, but he has a job in Dubuque, 57 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: and apparently everyone the sheriff would have said if he 58 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: didn't show up for work, You're right he left her 59 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: as a yes, So he left her on a Monday 60 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: m Monday, so he has to travel to work and 61 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: stay away from home. It's a summer job. He's a 62 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: construction worker in Dubuque, which is on the Mrs. Eppe River, 63 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: about two hours east of Brooklyn. He lives in Brooklyn, 64 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: which is on I for me, let me just try 65 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: to rephrase this in a capsule. This is what I'm understanding. 66 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: The boyfriend worked out of town and was away. He 67 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: was not coming at home every night from his job. 68 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: He would go away and stay away to work, and 69 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: then I guess come home. I guess on weekends. Is 70 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: that right, Chuck. I don't know that he was coming 71 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: home on weekends, but you're right. She stayed alone at 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: the house. Okay, that's all I need to hear right now. 73 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: The boyfriend's brother, do we know where he was at 74 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: the time she goes missing. I have not been able 75 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: to determine, but he was not at home, and she 76 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: was sort of dog sitting. She was all alone and 77 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: the house dog sitting her. Her boyfriend's brother was about 78 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: to get married and they were all to fly to 79 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic in three weeks in early August, uh 80 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: for the wedding destination wedding. I got it right now. 81 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: I love hearing about weddings, I really really do. But 82 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: what I'm interested in right now is this timeline. So 83 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: with me is Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Chuck Roberts. 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: I want to go to a very special guest joining 85 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: me right now. It's Phil the Toronto. We all know 86 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: that name. For months I covered the case of his 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: beautiful daughter, Karina Va Toronto. She had gone out jogging. 88 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: She asked her dad to go with her. He always 89 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: jogged with her, just like my dad always worked out 90 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: with me. Phil, I've told you that story, or let 91 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: me say I worked out with him and that day, 92 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: that evening, he was having an ailment. I can't recall 93 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: us your leg or your back, and that one time 94 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: you didn't go. An hour passes. He knows something is wrong, 95 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: something's wrong. He tries her cell phone. Fields father's instinct 96 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: was right. Karina had been attacked twil jogging and right 97 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 1: now we are awaiting the trial of her killer. Phil, 98 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: please explain why a timeline is so important to find 99 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: the mission? You know, the either still alive or not 100 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: you still alive. It's critical, you know, in the beginning 101 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: to mount up the largest search who possibly can. And 102 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: I was I'm gonna say lucky enough, but you know 103 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm not lucky in the situation. But I was lucky 104 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: enough to start my search within a half hour and 105 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: we found her four hours later. But between that half 106 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: hour and that, for our period, I knew she was 107 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: no longer with us. I knew that. Um, it seems 108 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: like they're doing everything they can as far as searching 109 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: for her in the area where she was living. So 110 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't get a good feeling about Molly being alive. 111 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: I don't you know, Phil, You're so right regarding how 112 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: you start the search. For instance, right now I'm trying 113 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: to figure out and there is no none at all, 114 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: no suggestion the boyfriend or the boyfriend's brother is involved 115 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: in her disappearance. But that's how you start an investigation 116 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: with me. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of investigation 117 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: discoveries hit series Fatal Vows. Brian, that's how every investigation starts. 118 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: You start with who you're closest to, who you're living 119 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: with at the time, who has access to you. That's 120 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: why you have to rule out the boyfriend and the 121 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: boyfriend's brother because that was their place. She was just 122 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: their dog. Setting again, they are not under suspicion. And 123 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, I've got to determine how we know 124 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: she ever made it out of the house to go jogging, 125 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: because am I looking at the home as a potential 126 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: crime scene or am I looking at the jogging route 127 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: as a potential crime scene? Because that makes a world 128 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: of difference. Brian, Well, that's absolutely right, And people who 129 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: don't necessarily listen to your show regularly or watch Fatal 130 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: Vows on Investigation Discovery may not know that. They may 131 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: believe that when someone goes missing in a situation like this, 132 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: it's more likely to be a stranger that's the perpetrator, 133 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: when statistically speaking, it's actually more likely to be somebody 134 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: with whom the victim has had prior contact. So you're 135 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: absolutely right that you want to begin with the people 136 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: who are closest to the person and work your way 137 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: out to uh this the stranger possibility. The other thing 138 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: that I would point out here is that often in 139 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: these cases, at this point, at the risk of being 140 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: labeled a victim blamer, I'm able to sit here and say, Okay, 141 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: for those who are fortunate enough to have not ever 142 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: been in a situation like this. Here are some lessons 143 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: to be learned from this about things that the victim 144 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: or potential victim could have done differently, maybe to have 145 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: kept themselves safer. And in this case, so far, we 146 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: don't really have anything, you know what. We often, unfortunately 147 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: see these cases where the young woman maybe met somebody, 148 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: uh and and you know, went home with them alone 149 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: when they didn't know them very well and it turned 150 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: out to be a sex offender, or they walked home 151 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: late at night by themselves in a dangerous area or something. Again, 152 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: never blaming the victim, but just trying to glean lessons 153 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: for other people to have anybody, I don't think that 154 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't We don't have That's what I'm saying. We don't 155 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: have anything at this point that I can point out 156 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: to you that that apparently, uh, this girl did that 157 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: was out of the or I got a conflict in 158 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: the evidence. And I'm having a failure to launch right 159 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: here because the boyfriend says that and correct me if 160 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Chuck, because this is all unfolding right now. 161 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: That he got a routine good night text around ten pm. Now, 162 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: is that the night she goes missing, Chuck? Because if 163 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: she texted him good night, then she went jogging after that? 164 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: Or had she already been jogging when she sent the text? No, 165 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: it was she texted her mother about seven pm. Then 166 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: at ten pm Wednesday night, he opens a snapchat message 167 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: from her. It's not that she sent it at ten pm. 168 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: That's when he opened it, and that's the last communication 169 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: that he had with her. But it wasn't a live interaction. 170 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: He simply opened a snapchat when he got at some 171 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: point where he could do that. Well, if the snapchat 172 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: is saying good night, are you telling me regarding the 173 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: timeline that she went jogging after that? Why would she 174 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: say good night if she hadn't already been jogging. I 175 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,239 Speaker 1: think she may have sent it as early as seven pm, 176 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: and he simply didn't open it until ten p m. 177 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: That would be okay. Maybe I'm not making myself clear, 178 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill. I think it's me Vincent Hill with me 179 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: former Nashville p D now private investigator. What I'm saying is, 180 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: did she really go jogging? Are we sure? And this 181 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: is the reason I ask I'm not just accepting any 182 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: fact until I know it. Why would she send him 183 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: good night before she goes jogging? And she's not going 184 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: to bed. That doesn't make sense to me. You right, 185 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: good night when you're going to bed, right, Yeah, that's right, Nancy. 186 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: And there's so many other red flags too. I mean, 187 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: the boyfriend sinks she was missing without her glasses that 188 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: you can't see. You would assume she would have those glasses, 189 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: and while she's jogging, especially if it maybe late at 190 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: night or early in the morning when it still maybe 191 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: dark out. So there's so many red flags with this 192 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: case going on right now. And the fact that her 193 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: phone has essentially gone dead. I think this was something 194 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: of a crime of opportunity. Someone likely wouldn't be worried 195 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: about taking her phone and making sure it's dead and whatnot. 196 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: So something is a miss here, Nancy. Yeah. The fact 197 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: I can't say that this is a missing jogger, That's 198 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: what everybody's saying. Why are they saying that, I don't 199 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm also getting reports that she was 200 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: the last thing wearing jim shorts, a black sports bra 201 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: and running shoes. Okay, when when was that? Was that? 202 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: The day before? Was that? The night? Was that? The morning? 203 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: Was she taking a jog before work? What I'm saying 204 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: is we can't even launch this until we know was 205 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: she taken from the home. Was she taken while jogging. 206 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Here's another question to you, Chuck Roberts. Was she wearing 207 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: a fitbit? She was according to her boyfriend, but apparently 208 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: it does not have a GPS device with it, so 209 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: they can't you know, find it. Now, you know, if 210 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: she had an iPhone, find my iPhone always works, but 211 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: apparently if it's dead, if the battery is dead or 212 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: it's been uh, you know, turned off, you can't find 213 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: an iPhone and the user that way. But yes, she 214 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: did have an activity monitoring device called a fit on her. Okay, 215 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: this is what I can say regarding the timeline seven 216 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: thirty a m. Seven thirty a m. And I'm assuming 217 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: this is the following morning. Her brother text her asking 218 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: if she needs to use the car that they share 219 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: that goes and answered that is not like her. The boyfriend, 220 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: Dalton text her good morning, and she never looks at it. 221 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: You can tell whether somebody's who had your text or not. 222 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: Molly's mom text her seven all times during the day. 223 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: They all go an answered. In the afternoon, her brother 224 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: calls their mom to tell her Molly missed work. Mom 225 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: immediately calls police. I've got a lot of questions right now. 226 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend at we are Iowa 227 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: dot com, Angelina sells Cito speaking to the boyfriend. This 228 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: is not like her. Dalton Jack is living in a nightmare. 229 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: I figured i'd speak to her in an hour or so, 230 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: and right now it's one he can't wake up from. 231 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: I came home as soon as her mom said that 232 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: she called the hospital and she wasn't there. The last 233 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: time the twenty year old saw Molly was on Wednesday 234 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: at ten pm when he opened a snapchat from her. 235 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: It was just a selfie with the caption and I 236 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: don't remember what the caption said, but it looked like 237 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: she was inside. He never thought he wouldn't hear from 238 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: her again. When he texted her early Thursday morning, he 239 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: didn't notice the message hadn't been read until her friend 240 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: called late that afternoon. One of her co workers called me, 241 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: said Molly had not called into work that day and 242 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: she hadn't showed up. And then I looked at the 243 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: messages and she hadn't opened or read any of them. 244 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: So I started getting in contact with her friends and 245 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: her family, saying Hey, have you seen her? Have you 246 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: heard from her? And everybody came up with the same thing. No, 247 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: I haven't seen her since yesterday, Dalton says. The three 248 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: years the two have been together, they've been inseparable. She's 249 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: so sweet. I've never seen her be angry or mean 250 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: to anybody in the almost three years that we've been dating. 251 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: To not know where she is is unsettling, and he's 252 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: gone nump. If this is her running off, this is 253 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: just nobody was seen it coming. Nobody in nobody in 254 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: the world, not her family, not me. Nobody would have 255 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: ever guessed that she would just take off and not 256 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: tell anybody while law enforcement continued to search for her. 257 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: There's just one thing he wants Molly to know. I 258 00:15:52,880 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: missed you so much, and hello you. There's a brand 259 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: new website causing a lot of trouble for people with 260 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: something to hide. 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Go to truth finder 279 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: dot com slash Nancy and enter any name to get started. 280 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: She's so sweet. I've never seen her be angry or 281 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: mean to anybody in the almost three years that we've 282 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: been dating. To not know where she is is unsettling, 283 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: and he's gone numb. If this is her running off, 284 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: this is just nobody was seen it coming. Nobody in 285 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: nobody in the world, not her family, not me. Nobody 286 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: would have ever guessed that she would just take off 287 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: and not tell anybody while law enforcement continue to search 288 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: for her. There's just one thing he wants Molly to know. 289 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: I missed you so much. And hello you. You are 290 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: hearing our our friend at we are Iowa dot Com. 291 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: Angelina Sealdo speaking to Molly Timmot's boyfriend Dalton. Right now, 292 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: the search is on for a missing Iowa student. I 293 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: find very interesting his words that she might take off 294 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: and not tell anybody. Twenty year old Molly Tibbots University 295 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: of Iowa student missing now several days. Her family, friends, 296 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: police are desperate to find her. She's a college student 297 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: there in Brooklyn, Iowa. Last scene, according to reports, Wednesday, Wednesday, 298 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: July eight, while going for a run in her hometown. 299 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: She messaged her boyfriend later that night, we believe, but 300 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: has not been seen or heard from since. Straight out 301 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: to fill the Toronto Special Guests joining us the father 302 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: of Long Isle jogger Karina Va, Toronto. We are awaiting 303 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: the murder trial of her killer. Phil. What can you 304 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: tell me about a red T shirt that has sparked 305 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: your interest? Well, I've read that Molly worked for daycare 306 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: and the next day, which would be Thursday. They were 307 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: going to a fair and they gave all the counselors 308 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: the same red shirt to wear, and along with her 309 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: glasses and her contacts, the red shirt is missing. They 310 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: cannot find a red shirt where she lived. So it 311 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: is my impression that she was wearing the shirt when 312 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: she was I'm going to say abducted or went missing 313 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: because they can't find it, So she wasn't wearing that 314 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: shirt to jog. I think she put it on the 315 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: next morning. You know what, Field Vatronto. That is an 316 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: excellent point. I think they've got this thing, bass Ackwards. 317 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm telling you feel because her texting him good night 318 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: tells me she had already been for her jog. Yes, 319 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: maybe people saw her jogging, but that doesn't mean she 320 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: went missing on the jog with me. In addition to Field, 321 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: the Toronto Vincent Hill private investigator, the host of investigation 322 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: discoveries hit series Fatal Vows, Dr Brian Russell, Chuck Roberts, 323 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter and joining me right now, 324 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, lawyer, judge, founder of child crime watch dot com. 325 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: This is my problem, Ashley. I've been a jogger my 326 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: whole life. I don't text my now husband but before 327 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: I would jog. You know, no matter where I was living, 328 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: being Atlanta, being in in Inner City Atlanta, being in Manhattan, 329 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't text good night before I jog and then 330 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: go jogging and don't don't tell anybody anything the rest 331 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: of the night. No, No, I'm I agreed, anty. But 332 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I think that we have to consider 333 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: all possible what is happen to this this squirrel, beautiful 334 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: young girl scenarios, because as you and I know, it's 335 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: one of two things. Either A she did take off 336 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: and like you said, you're not gonna teest the body 337 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: before you go Johns or be or good night or 338 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: be something happened to her. And we've seen cases where 339 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: you have both scenarios. So we just don't know yet. 340 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: We've got to consider both. I know people say, oh, 341 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: she'd never take off, she'd never do that. Well, guess what, 342 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: we've seen it happen again and again. It could be 343 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: either scenarios. Yeah, I mean, I'll never forget Jennifer will Banks, Alan, 344 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: do you have to make color that cover that remember 345 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: that they run away by the real runaway Brian, And 346 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: that was in Georgia, right, Yeah, they had They had 347 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: one of these huge wedding plans where you've got like 348 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: ten twelve bridesmaids and ten twelve groomsmen, the whole kid 349 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: in kaboodle, as we say, where I come from it, 350 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: they were putting on the dog. Okay. So then right 351 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: before the wedding she goes missing. Oh, everybody turns hell 352 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: upside down trying to find her. Then she shows up 353 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: thousands of miles away, blaming, as she said her words, 354 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: night mine for Hispanics. Okay, let me just say she 355 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: did yard work for months as restitution for the big 356 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: search for her. But I don't I don't feel of 357 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: a Toronto. Um. I'm just not feeling that this person, 358 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: Molly Tip, has just took a powder and wouldn't call 359 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: her mom and dad. And I think I don't think so. 360 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: And the idea that you brought up to Brian Russell, 361 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist, host of Fatal Vows On 362 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: I d the red shirt that's disturbing me. It's not 363 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: in her car or the ship car she shared with 364 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: her brother. It's not in her apartment, it's not in 365 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: her backpack and more significant feel of a Toronto. You're 366 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: the one that's bring this to my attention. She was 367 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: gonna wear that shirt the day we all know she's gone. 368 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: The job was the night before. She was going to 369 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: wear that on a field trip with the daycare. She 370 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: was a counselor that's gone. It sounds like a Jesse Uh, 371 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessy situation where she was getting ready to go 372 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: to work, she put on the red shirt, she hadn't 373 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: gotten her cell phone and her stuff together, and then 374 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: something goes wrong. That red shirt is disturbing me. Dr Russell, Yeah, 375 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: it really does sound like the timeline that you've been 376 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: talking about is off in terms of when the disappearance happened. 377 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: That they are seeming to me to be more things 378 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: pointing to her having disappeared after sometime between the jog, 379 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: after the jog and going to work the next day. 380 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: I want to go back on why we're all focused 381 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: so much on this on this jog, but guys, I 382 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: want to review the facts very quickly. In a cap 383 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: Still in a Nutshell with Chuck Roberts, our Crime Online 384 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter For those of you just joining us, 385 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: and Jackie, thank you for the tip line six four 386 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: one six two three, five, six seven nine six four 387 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: one six two three, five six seven nine. It's not 388 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: too late to make a difference in finding Molly her 389 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: parents distraught. That's the number for the power Shick Sheriff's Office. Okay, 390 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: chuck in a nutshell? What do we think happen to Molly? 391 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: For those just joining us, Well, this is a young 392 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: girl twenty years old of slight bill pounds five three 393 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: last scene wearing, according to her boyfriend, jogging shorts of 394 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: sports braw and running shoes. And she was last seen 395 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: Wednesday evening from her home in Brooklyn, Iowa, a little 396 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: town of about but it's a girl with everything to 397 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: live for, you know. She's a psych major at the 398 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: University of Iowa, just entering her sophomore year. She was 399 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: preparing for a wedding, a destination wedding in the Deminkan 400 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: Republican two weeks uh. No indication of a fight with 401 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: their boyfriend, Dalton Jack who was away at the time. 402 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: He has a construction job in Defuke, Iowa, but maybe 403 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: two hours away. But she was alone in the house 404 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: at the time in little Brooklyn, Iowa. They have searched 405 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: corn fields and right now the corn is nine ft tall, 406 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: so you have to basically walk down every single row 407 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: because apparently she liked a jog in the corn fields. Start, 408 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I was just talking about this with 409 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: the twins last night. Okay, last night. We we love 410 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: those little bitty corn on the cops that you know 411 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: they're frozen, Ashley, you know what they are and you 412 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: can get them ready in like three minutes in the microwave. Well, 413 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: we wanted to love. Yeah, we wanted fresh corn. Okay, 414 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: they can. You have to shut I wish I'd taken 415 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: a pic, trAshley, But I had the twins shucking corn 416 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: last night. So we were eating it at dinner. We 417 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: started talking about the corn maze. That we go to 418 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: a corn maze and pick out pumpkins every year. Well, 419 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: we're the people that got lost in the corn maze. 420 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: That was us, okay, and David, who knows what had 421 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: happened to him. I just assumed he was dead in 422 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: the corn maze because I hadn't seen him in about 423 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: an hour. And we finally, you know that the place 424 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: was closing. It was getting dark, Okay out in some 425 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: rural area, and they were closing and we were in 426 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: the corn maze, me and the twins, and so finally 427 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: I just looked up in a giant tall tree and 428 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,239 Speaker 1: started going through the corn itself to get out, and 429 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: we went through the fence and that's how we finally 430 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: got out. So my point is what Chuck Roberts is saying, 431 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: why would you be jogging through a corn field? But 432 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: I guess she was raised that way, so it wasn't 433 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: It did not present a problem to her. But he's right. 434 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: The corn and right now is eight or nine ft tall, 435 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: and the only way you can really search it, as 436 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: a Chuck said, is to walk down the ros. Even 437 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: planes overhead can't look down in between the rows. So 438 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: that is what one of the one of the obstacles 439 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: that they are trying to overcome. And this search for her. 440 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: She's last thing, wearing gym shorts, a black sports brought running. 441 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: She's she's five, three hundred and twenty pounds. I'm not 442 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: convinced that she went missing while jogging. And that's the problem. 443 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: This is the problem, right or wrong to fill the 444 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: Toronto The father of Long Island jogger Corinava, Toronto, if 445 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: you've got your timeline wrong, you are spinning your wheels 446 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: and you're wasting valuable time in finding the missing person. 447 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: Hours count, minutes count. If they've got the timeline wrong 448 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: and she did not disappear while jogging, they're truly barking 449 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: up the wrong tree, Nancy. Exactly like I said before, 450 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to know exactly when my daughter 451 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: went out and where she went, so within a half 452 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: hour my search started. Uh, they could be off as 453 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: much as what eighteen hours and looking in the wrong 454 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: place and looking at the wrong place. Hey, I think so, 455 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: just let me just can't. I'm sorry I feel to this. 456 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: This is a lot of assumptions, right. This is his theory, 457 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: the boyfriend's theory that she was jogging in these shorts, 458 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 1: and the fact that he said, well, if she's just 459 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: taken off, it's very disturbing because if you're in love 460 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: with your girl friend and you care for your girlfriend, 461 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: and you're under the assumption human jogging and now she's 462 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: missing and possibly in a cornfield, laid out somewhere, that's 463 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: not the thing you would say. And we're under the 464 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: assumption too, that he was at work two hours away, 465 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 1: that hasn't been proven yet, and just because he may 466 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: have been seen at work sometime during that day doesn't 467 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: mean he couldn't have gotten back there and done something. 468 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: So all of this is a lot of assumption in 469 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: its timeline is very crucial. Guys speaking of the family, 470 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: are desperate right now and fail you've lets through this, 471 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: the hours, the minutes ticking by. Every minute counts, every 472 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: minute could matter in the search for Molly. Listen to 473 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: Molly's mon Oh wait, wait, hold on, let's get a 474 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: fill on that feel. I was gonna say, I believe 475 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: the family right now is going through false hope. I 476 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: really don't. These situations never work out where you're gonna 477 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: gonna find her. Fine, I don't think this woman, this lady, 478 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: this little girl took off and ran away. There's no way. 479 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: She had too much going for her. She had aspirations 480 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: of you know, success, she was working her job, she 481 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: was going to school. She reminded me lot of Karina, 482 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: you know that she was a hard working girl. And 483 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: I think she's going to be found someday, hopefully shortly, 484 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: but I do not think she's alive. Take a listen 485 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: to what Molly's mom Tailless ABC seven. Hundreds of friends 486 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: and volunteers have been out searching for Molly, calling corn 487 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: fields where she's known to run. Her mother, Laura, spoke 488 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: to us by phone. Because I don't know where she is, 489 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if she's says, we're just hoping for 490 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: her safe return. Laura Calderwood says her daughter had no enemies. 491 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: Investigators say Molly was last seen wearing gym shorts, a 492 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: black sports broth and running shoes and I das all 493 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: left behind at the home she shares with her boyfriend. 494 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: Molly is one of the one of the most caring 495 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: people you'll you'll under me. He's great, hard worker. UM 496 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: doesn't matter the situation, but herself second, and but whoever 497 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: else needs a support before she does herself. You're praying 498 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: to hear good words Um that they found her, she's okay. 499 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: Those words would would mean everything. We could really use 500 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: everybody's help doing get Molly Tibb. It's gone missing, and 501 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: right now I think this theory that she was jogging 502 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: may very well be bass Ackwards. She's five to about 503 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: twenty pounds, long, brown hair, brown eyes, tipline six four 504 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: one six two three five six, seven nine repeat six 505 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: four one six two three five six seven nine. Now yeah, 506 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Can I throw this is Ashley? I want 507 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: to just throw something in as you're saying the tipline. 508 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: As a judge on the bench, here's what I see 509 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: all the time. Somebody knows exactly what has happened where 510 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: she is, what they've seen, and they may feel like, oh, 511 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal that I saw with so 512 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: and so six hours ago. I don't care if anybody 513 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: knows anything at all. It is so imperative that they 514 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: stepped up, step forward and report it. You know. Another issue, 515 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: investigators hoping they can access her computer and online accounts 516 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: to zone in on her whereabouts. But I don't understand 517 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: why this late in the game they still don't have 518 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: access to that Vincent Hill private investigator. What's the hold up? 519 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: It's the only thing I can think of on that 520 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: is that they're probably waiting for a warrant because at 521 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're talking about a missing 522 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: adult amount of missing child where there could be a 523 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: possible Amber alert. So there's some legal ramifications anytime you're 524 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: touching electronic data like that. Wow, I just I mean 525 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: a warrant though, uh Dr Brian Russell not only host 526 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: discoveries fatal vows, but lawyer as well. A warrant. You 527 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: walk into a judge, there's a magistrate on duty seven 528 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: three sixty five. I'm talking Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving, New Year's 529 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: there's always a magistrate on duty period. Bam. You can 530 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: even get a search warrant over the phone. So getting 531 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: a warrant takes. I mean I've I've gotten many many 532 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: warrants and wire taps you right up in affidavit. You 533 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: have somebody swear to it, would say, um, aland where's 534 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: you right in handy? Swear what you're about to tell 535 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: the magistrates? The truth, the whole truth, nothing but the 536 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: should so help you God? Yes, I assume I can 537 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: get a yes out of Alan on that. And then 538 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: you say why do you want her Molly's computer records? 539 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: And he will spit out three five sentences about why 540 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: they're vital and at time of the essence, and bam 541 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: the judge signed the warrant typically and that's all it takes. 542 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: So why are we still waiting on a search of her, 543 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: for instance, cell phone? Does this mean, uh Brian, that 544 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: they haven't been able to triangulate it as to its 545 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: last ping. I think it's there are a number of possibilities, Nancy. 546 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: One thing that I think is good for our listeners 547 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: to know is that in today's world, we've seen many 548 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: cases in which the providers of the cell phone and 549 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: computer services are You know that they are trying to 550 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: balance concerns for the individual users privacy versus concerns for 551 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: helping law enforcement, and they don't always operate. They always 552 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: make those decisions the way you and I would, or 553 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: certainly not as quickly as you and I might. And 554 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: so this is a tip for people. It's it is. 555 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: This is a reason why it is good to utilize 556 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: some of the apps and and and and programs that 557 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: are out there that allow your loved ones to be 558 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: able to see where you are or to go basically, 559 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: and what I'm saying is you you create a situation 560 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: in which people can get at your location data without 561 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: having to go through this process in case, for whatever reason, 562 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: law enforcement is taking a long time the company is 563 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: dragging its feet or trying being wishy washy about whether 564 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: or not they've got enough to release the data. The 565 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: other thing I just want to say quickly. Is the 566 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: reason I was saying earlier that there's nothing uh that 567 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: I can identify so far that this girl did that 568 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: would have uh possible we put herself in any kind 569 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: of harm's way. The reason that's important is that in 570 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: the absence of that, and the absence of uh, you know, 571 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: she walked home late at night by herself in a 572 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: dangerous area or something like that, where you could say, okay, 573 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, I can see how a crime of opportunity 574 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: might have happened. A perpetrator who never planned this at all, 575 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: but happened to come across her, saw an opportunity and 576 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: took it. There's nothing like that here, which makes it 577 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: all the more likely that whoever did something to her 578 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: I knew about her, knew she was alone in that house, 579 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: and planned to victimize her. We've just gotten disturbing information. 580 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: Police are calling off their searches and are saying they 581 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: are quote going in a different direction. What does that mean? 582 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: Out to Chuck Roberts, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, 583 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: what does that mean? It's certainly frustrating for the townfolk 584 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: in in Brooklyn and the hundreds and hundreds of volunteers 585 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: who have been spending days in that cornfield looking for her. 586 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: You're right, the power cheek sheriff says they are pursuing 587 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: other leads. Uh. He also says that they're scouring the 588 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: laptop and online messaging and apparently the FBI has joined 589 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: the investigation. So maybe the digital forensics requires FBI analysis 590 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: in one of their laboratories. But you're right, it is Uh. 591 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: It's a mystery why they would call off the searches 592 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: when they have so many, so many volunteers and so 593 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: much anxiety in that area. I'm I'm I'm trying to 594 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: read the tea leaves out to you. Actually, Wilcott, a lawyer, judge, 595 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: founder child crimewatch dot com. They've actually issued a statement. 596 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: Am I wrong about that? Jackie? To show me where 597 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: you got that information, Jackie? Why would they say we're 598 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: calling off the search and we're going in a different direction. 599 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: Let's de sigh for that, Ashley. So here's my opinion. 600 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 1: One or two things. Either number one, they've got some 601 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: kind of evidence that they know who did it firston 602 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: and interest and who perhaps that flows where she is, 603 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: and so instead of a general search, they're gonna go 604 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: to one area or one plate. I hope that's not it. 605 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: In the alternative, perhaps they've gotten evidence that she has 606 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: voluntarily left on her own free will and and they're 607 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: gonna locate her. So I'm assuming there's some new evidence 608 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: we don't know and one of those two things that's true, 609 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: or else they would still be searching for Wait a minute, 610 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me confirm something with Roberts. Chuck 611 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: go off on her own. Well, how without her glasses 612 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: she can't see. She's as blind as a bath unless 613 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: she had her contacts on. But you're right, she probably 614 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: has two means of you know, visual age. But yeah, 615 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: that's true. Without her glasses, she is. She's lost that 616 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: her boyfriend claims that the glass is worth the home. Well, 617 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: you know what, I've been looking at pictures of her, Chuck, 618 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: and there are plenty of pictures of her without glasses, 619 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: So it's got to be contacts. But I'm still saying 620 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: we're handicapped where we're um, we're dog bit by not 621 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: having the tongue were found at home? Stil the Toronto 622 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: saying not only about the red T shirt but the 623 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: contacts at home. I don't know about a lot of people. 624 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't know about her, but a lot of people 625 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: that wear contacts have multiple payers. They like buy them 626 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: by the box. So I'm wondering if phil that that 627 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: they're saying they found contacts at home or for instance, 628 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: her contacts that you're put in those little cases at 629 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: night and put liquid in them. If people still do that, 630 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: what's surprising me right now? Quote search called off for 631 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts, the Iowa college student who vanishes while out 632 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: for a jog. I'm not convinced that's right. Authorities calling 633 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: off the search for missing Iowa student who vanishes while 634 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: out for a jog. Now, this is according to the 635 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office, no organized search party going on at this 636 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: time to find the missing twenty year old. Now we're 637 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: also learning police are saying they're following other leads, following 638 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: other leads. Were also learning police are suggesting she went 639 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: for the jog at about ten pm, which is different 640 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: from going for a jock at seven pm. Now, according 641 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: to the Des Moines Register, a neighbor saw her jogging. 642 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: Certainly they can confirm the time. And that's where we're 643 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: getting the description of Jim Shorts, black sports braun running shoes. 644 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: This is after hundreds of volunteers come out helicopters that 645 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: the works looking for her. The town is plastered with 646 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: missing person posters of her. The parents are are distraught. 647 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: We're waiting to find out. Why would they call off 648 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: the physical search to the Toronto the father of Long 649 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: Island jogger Karina the Toronto Pheel. What does this say 650 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: to you? They're going in a different direction. What does 651 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 1: that mean? Well, to me, it means they they no 652 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: longer think she is missing by her house, by her home, 653 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: either that or they have a suspect. Either that or 654 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: they actually found her. You know, it could be one 655 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: of the both. You know. The tip line is six 656 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: three five six seven nine. I find it very difficult 657 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: to believe Dr Brian Russell that they could keep a 658 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: lid on it if they found her body or found her. 659 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: You know, I do get a feeling. I hope I'm wrong, 660 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: but I do get a feeling that they know where 661 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: she is. So I hope that, as Ashley said, I 662 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: hope that's they know where she is and she's alive 663 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: and wilsonwhere and they just have to catch up with 664 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: her and figure out what happened. But but I have 665 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 1: this feeling it sounds like everybody who knows her well 666 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: will parcel out the boyfriend for a minute, everybody else 667 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: who knows her well, saying that this is just so 668 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: totally out of her character to be in communicado this way. 669 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: I accept that, and I'm gonna I'm gonna say I 670 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: think that's likely correct. And so the fact that they 671 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: are no longer looking around intensively in the area where 672 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: that the jogging allegedly happened, unfortunately, suggests to me that 673 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: they know that that's that would be fruitless to continue that, 674 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: and that suggests to me that they know where she is. 675 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: To Chuck Roberts, Crimes Towards Investigative reporter, Chuck, it could 676 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: mean that they have found evidence such as blood, evidence 677 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: that they have found her phone discarded somewhere um far 678 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 1: away from the corn fields they've been searching. It can 679 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: mean any number of things, but it could, don't you think. Well. 680 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: I could also mean that they've been able to open 681 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: her laptop and they put together messages, and and they 682 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: have leaned from those messages that she was unhappy and 683 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, whinning wanting to go to California, where her 684 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: dad lives in Oakland. I don't know, but you're right, Um. 685 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: The fact that they've called off the search and that 686 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: they're going in a different direction does suggest that there's 687 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: been a major development. Well. Also, when you're saying go 688 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: to California where her dad is, I mean if her 689 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: i D was still at the home. Uh, she doesn't 690 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,959 Speaker 1: have a car. What's she going to take in aber 691 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: to California from Iowa. That's not going to happen. So 692 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: I've heard nothing about her. You say her i D. 693 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure whether she had credit cards. But 694 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: maybe they have found some use of her credit cards. 695 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just kidding. This is the first 696 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: I'm hearing anyone suggest that she was unhappy. On the contrary, 697 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: she's just about to move into her own, her first apartment. 698 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: She's in a happy relationship with the boyfriend. The boyfriend's 699 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: out of town, and to be at work. She's got 700 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: a job that she's happy about. She was to report 701 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: the next morning to work to go on a field trip, 702 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: as Phil the Toronto has told us, with the children 703 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: that she worked with where she was a counselor. Phil 704 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: the Toronto, you've been there you've lived through this when 705 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: Karina went missing, Yes, what is the family going through 706 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: right now? Well, mine was a little different situation. I mean, 707 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: Karina had an iPhone and we were able to unlock 708 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: it within an hour because we told Apple that she 709 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: had asthma and without because she left without her and Hala, 710 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: and without her and Hala she might die. So they 711 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: unlocked the phone and we pinned it and that's actually 712 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: how I found the location. But every it was four 713 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: hours between she went missing and that I found her, 714 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: and every every second, you know, you felt worse and worse, 715 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: and as every minute went by, you lost more and 716 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: more hope. And I knew I was not going to 717 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: find her life and for this is gonna be a 718 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: week now, it's gonna be a week on Wednesday. Uh 719 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: that I believe they're going through false hope. If there 720 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: is hope, because she left Hawalat and all her I 721 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: d home. I believe she was abducted, and you don't 722 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: want to believe that. As a parent, you always want 723 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: to hope. I mean, people children are missing for twenty 724 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: years and their parents are still waiting for them to 725 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 1: walk through the door. But that's unrealistic. It's false hope 726 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: and it's horrible. After Phil the Toronto's daughter Carina goes 727 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: missing and he discovers her body, he has waged a 728 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,960 Speaker 1: battle like no other for the course to allow familial 729 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: d NA. For instance, when you find DNA at a 730 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: crime scene or on a body it doesn't match anybody 731 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 1: in the system, you can then compare it to family 732 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: members that may be in the system in jail, having 733 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: jobs where they had to give d N A or 734 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: even through ancestry dot com. Then you find the family 735 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,840 Speaker 1: member and that family member leads you to the killer. 736 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: In many jurisdictions this is not allowed familiar DNA. And 737 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: thanks to Fill the Toronto who goes public with his battle, 738 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,120 Speaker 1: it is now being accepted. And there's really no way 739 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: for crime victims to thank you, Nancy what I have 740 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: to say. And you probably don't know this because I've 741 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 1: never told you before. When we met on the Doctor Show, 742 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: that was December six, and that was the first public 743 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,719 Speaker 1: appearance and outcry that I made for familiar DNA. So 744 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: I believe that was a great instrument, a launching pad 745 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: for my campaign for me at DNA with you and 746 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: Dr Oz because after that it took off. You know, 747 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: that was a great media venue for me, and that 748 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,880 Speaker 1: was the first time were December six. I remember it 749 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. Phil Um Phil of Toronto with me, 750 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: the father of Long Island jog Or Karina, the Toronto Phil. 751 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: If you could explain to so many listeners, thank god 752 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: they haven't lived through what you've lived through, and explain 753 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: what Molly's family is going through right now, heartbreaking, heartbreaking, 754 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: no sleep. Uh. They they're just wandering around like zombies 755 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,879 Speaker 1: and wondering what's going on. Someone hoping that she will 756 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: turn up. Uh, you know, praying, praying to God that 757 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: she will turn up. Uh. They still have hope. They 758 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: still have hope until you know, her body found or 759 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: there's there's blood evidence. Uh, they still have hope that 760 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: she will be walking through that door. But you know, 761 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: since that moment when she went missing, their lives have 762 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,359 Speaker 1: changed forever until she does come home. If she never 763 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 1: comes home, there there are a mere shell of what 764 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 1: they once were. Their life is no longer the same. 765 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 1: It's something I wish upon no one to feel this, 766 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, Phil. After my fiancee was murdered, I never 767 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: saw his body again. I guess at the time. I 768 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: could just emotionally could not take seeing him in a coffin, 769 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 1: seeing him in the medical examiner's office. Do you ever 770 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: look back and wish you had not been the one 771 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: to find Karina? No? No, she absolutely positively needed me 772 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: to find She needed her daddy to bring her home. 773 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: And I would have it nor the way, even though 774 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,399 Speaker 1: every time I closed my eyes at night, I see that, 775 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, I see her. I would have happened. I'd 776 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: never had it any other way. I needed to find her, 777 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,359 Speaker 1: a horrible, horrible thing. But no, we needed to be 778 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 1: me the search. The search for Molly goes on. 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