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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. How many

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Speaker 1: times do you walk into work, or the grocery store

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Speaker 1: the parking lot or entering the doors and look around

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Speaker 1: at everybody going past, seemingly focused on what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: How many of those people are on probation, out on

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Speaker 1: parole thinking about something that would probably shock you to

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Speaker 1: the core. You can't look at people and tell what's

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Speaker 1: going on and their heart in their mind. When you

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Speaker 1: pull up at a red line, look at either side

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Speaker 1: of you, there's no way you would know that there

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Speaker 1: are killers amongst us. I, Nancy Grace, this is Killers

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Speaker 1: amongst Us. Thank you for being with us here a kau.

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Speaker 1: I want to first talk about a beautiful young mom

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Speaker 1: or named Michelle Parker in the prime of her life,

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Speaker 1: girl twins plus an eleven year old son, the joy

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Speaker 1: of her life. So how is it that one day

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Speaker 1: Michelle Parker simply doesn't show up for work. First of all,

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Speaker 1: an all star panel joining me to dissect the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: Steve helling with me you know his name well from

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Speaker 1: people dot Com joining us Doctor Jen Mann, marriage family therapists,

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Speaker 1: hosts of Couples Therapy v H one of The Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jen Show on series exem author of The Relationship Fix,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coal Case Research Institute, and

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Speaker 1: crime scene Expert. Special lawyer John W. Deal PI lawyer

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Speaker 1: who has been on the Parker's team from the get go,

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Speaker 1: searching for answers. First of all, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Michelle Parker is no stranger to hard work. It's not

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Speaker 1: easy to juggle multiple jobs and a family. This thirty

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Speaker 1: three year old beauty is a mom of three, a

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Speaker 1: bartender and entrepreneur, and a student. Not only did she

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Speaker 1: top of this, she was studying in cosmetology, working on

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Speaker 1: family slaw lord. Just hearing all that makes me tired,

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Speaker 1: Let me back it up here. Okay, my niece worked

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Speaker 1: as a bartender briefly, and she's brilliant, all right. She

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Speaker 1: got through Stanford with all a's, I might add, she

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Speaker 1: then went on to grad school and creative writing, but

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Speaker 1: she wanted to work at a bar. Okay, you know

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Speaker 1: how early they have to get there to quote set up.

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Speaker 1: They have to cut all the limes, all the limits.

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Speaker 1: takes you to set up a bar for Pete's sake

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Speaker 1: for one night. So this woman not only is a

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Speaker 1: uses her suv as a mobile billboard. Of course, I

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Speaker 1: And this woman seemingly did it all. Plus she's a

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Speaker 1: student to Steve Halling. Who is this superwoman Michelle Parker?

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Speaker 1: You know, she was one of those women that you

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Speaker 1: you know, you think she's really well put together. I

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Speaker 1: She just had boundless energy and she was She was

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Speaker 1: an amazing woman. You know, Cheryl McCullum. If you looked

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Speaker 1: guess it's some type of glycerin. But that's not It

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Speaker 1: can't mean that because in every picture, no matter what

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Speaker 1: out who this woman is. John dial on Team Parker,

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Speaker 1: personal injury lawyer joining us, John, what can you tell

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Speaker 1: listen when people ask about who is Michelle Parker? Listen,

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Speaker 1: ask Michelle Parker's family and friends, and they will tell

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Speaker 1: you her good looks turned heads. Her friends will also

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Speaker 1: right there. All the years I have lived in New York,

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Speaker 1: You know, this woman sounds like a supermom. I'm just

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Speaker 1: to doctor jen Mann, you're the therapist. I mean juggling.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at HL and Shechelle

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Speaker 1: Parker has like a lot of women that you see

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Speaker 1: right there, John w Deal, high profile personal injury lawyer,

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Speaker 1: are joining us, John, where do you pride to sphere's

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Speaker 1: your office. I'm in Orlando. I'm Rolando, Florida. Right here,

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Speaker 1: Michelle Parker looking for answers. You know, have you ever

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Speaker 1: In your life? I have? Okay, have you ever noticed

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Speaker 1: by phone, and she's not reachable. You know, Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: This woman had never quote God missing before, never, And

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know she's in her right mind, you know,

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Speaker 1: you hear, Oh, the mom's overwhelmed, she's got postpartum depression,

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Speaker 1: blah blah. That's not true. Here she was on her

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Speaker 1: way to work, looking great as usual, drop the twins

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Speaker 1: then she seemingly vanishes into thin air. And I always say,

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Speaker 1: when you don't know a horse, look at the track record.

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Speaker 1: She had never taken off with a secret boyfriend. She

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Speaker 1: had never even gone away for the weekend without telling anybody.

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Speaker 1: Cheryld not just that Nancy. They said she had never

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Speaker 1: one time sent a one word response to a text.

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Speaker 1: She was known for her takes as being novels. I

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Speaker 1: mean she would send a whole story back. So if

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Speaker 1: she was running late getting home to meet her eleven

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Speaker 1: calling her brother, not the other way around. And to

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Speaker 1: doctor Jen Mann, who is the star of the Doctor

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Speaker 1: a host at VH one, Doctor Jen, I always look

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Speaker 1: if I don't know what has happened or what is

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Speaker 1: going to happen, I look at a track record and

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Speaker 1: we always hear, oh, she ran off with a boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: she had a lover. That is so lame. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: would agree. And as therapists we look at patterns of behavior,

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Speaker 1: and her pattern of behavior was that she was someone

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Speaker 1: who showed up on time. She took her commitments seriously.

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Speaker 1: She was a devoted mother. The idea that she would

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Speaker 1: leave her children without notifying someone and taking appropriate precautions

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Speaker 1: to make sure they were cared for it that they

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Speaker 1: knew when she was returning is absurd. It just is

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Speaker 1: totally inconsistent with her values, with her personality, with her ethics,

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Speaker 1: and who she was at the core Michelle Parker seemingly

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Speaker 1: vanishing into thin air. I don't buy it. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: killers amongst us, signing off Goodbye friend,