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Speaker 1: Hello Hurdlers.

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Speaker 2: Emily A body here bringing you episode sixty eight of Hurdle,

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Speaker 2: a podcast that talks to everyone from entrepreneurs to top

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Speaker 2: CEOs and athletes about how they've gotten through tough times

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Speaker 2: hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness. Today, I seriously

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Speaker 2: can almost not believe I'm saying this.

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Speaker 1: I am bringing you my.

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Speaker 2: Conversation with the one, the only, Jillian Michaels. Before I

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Speaker 2: let's talk about Jillian Michaels. First of all, recording this

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Speaker 2: was absolutely surreal. I talk about that dream get list

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Speaker 2: that I had right when I started the podcast at

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Speaker 2: the very end of twenty seventeen, and Jillian was definitely

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Speaker 2: on that original list, and she literally welcomed me into

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Speaker 2: her Malibu home with open arms. We all watched her

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Speaker 2: for so many years on The Biggest Loser, and in

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Speaker 2: today's episode, what I think is really awesome is Jillian

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Speaker 2: and I talk about what life was like long before

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Speaker 2: she made it to primetime on NBC. We really connected

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Speaker 2: on the fact that we both used to be overweight

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Speaker 2: as preteens and teenagers. Jillian weighed about one hundred and

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Speaker 2: seventy five pounds at age twelve, crazy, I know. And

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Speaker 2: she talks to me about how taking up Karate, of

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Speaker 2: all things, saved her life and helped her develop awesome confidence.

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Speaker 2: We also talk about the roller coaster of emotions that

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Speaker 2: came along with coming out. We talk about her big

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Speaker 2: goal to be the best mom that she can be

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Speaker 2: to her two kids, and she also fills me in

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Speaker 2: on a lot of the fun projects that she's working

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Speaker 2: on now. She has a podcast, she has an app

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Speaker 2: you can check all of the things out that she

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Speaker 2: has going on over at Jillianmichaels dot com. You'll hear

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Speaker 2: her saying in the episode today, but everything is digital

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Speaker 2: and she is jumping in on that trend. I just

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Speaker 2: think it's really awesome. I think that the conversation that

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Speaker 2: I have with Jillian is one that she doesn't have

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Speaker 2: all the time, and so it's a really special that

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Speaker 2: I can bring that to you, guys, and I.

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Speaker 1: Hope that you enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: As always at Hurdle podcast, at Emilybody, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter,

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Speaker 2: all the things. If you have a hurdle moment of

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Speaker 2: your own to share, or you just want to say hi,

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Speaker 2: you can reach out to me. It's Emily at hurdle

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Speaker 2: dot us over on email. Last, but not least, I

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Speaker 2: think there are some new hurdlers listening thanks to drum roll,

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Speaker 2: a pretty surreal feature in the September issue of Shape magazine.

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Speaker 1: Shape September issue is all about women who run the world,

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Speaker 1: and God, I have no words for this. I am

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Speaker 1: one of the.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen ladies that they are highlighting, so huge thanks to Shape.

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Speaker 2: I see my name next to other big, amazing strong

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Speaker 2: women like Naomi Watts and Busy Phillips and Nicky Reid

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Speaker 2: and my mind is blown.

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Speaker 1: They call me a wellness amplifier.

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Speaker 2: I was drastically overweight as a teenager and unhappy and

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Speaker 2: felt so lost. And now I have this opportunity to

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Speaker 2: give back to you guys.

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Speaker 1: And I know that just by.

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Speaker 2: Helping one person, that all of this work, it's so

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Speaker 2: worth it. All right, I'm going to stop rambling before

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Speaker 2: I get super sappy and emotional over here.

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Speaker 1: It's time to get to Jillian. With that, Let's get

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Speaker 1: to hurdling today.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Jillian Michaels. I feel like this

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Speaker 2: woman needs no introduction.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're sweet. I do I do? Jillian Tealpa hurdlers,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? What do we do? I am

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Speaker 1: a I'm a health and fitness expert. I never really

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Speaker 1: but I was a trainer, and I think twenty five

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Speaker 1: years later, I'm really more of a businesswoman now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in the business of fitness. In the business of fitness.

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Speaker 1: But it's funny, you know, I'll start with some flattery.

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Speaker 1: Oh perfect, I'll take some flattery.

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Speaker 2: When I started Hurtle over a year and a half ago,

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Speaker 2: I made like a list of like the top ten

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Speaker 1: She's like, you were really close. So I'm super amped

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Speaker 2: And also it's obviously like no matter how old you get,

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Speaker 2: So I called my dad, and I think the first

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Speaker 2: question that he said, aside from being like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this is so exciting, is so what's she doing now?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, so tell them what are you doing? I

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Speaker 1: mean digital stuff? It's all digital, yeah, So when it

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Speaker 1: everything that you do and you create lives in that medium.

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Speaker 1: So we have one of the top fitness apps in

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Speaker 1: which has helped us get there tremendously. What's so cool

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Speaker 1: vegan recipes, vegetarian recipes, pescatarian, omnivore, paleo, whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: am a certified nutritionist. But when it comes to business,

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Speaker 1: we're very focused, and I say we, my business partner

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Speaker 1: and so we strategically invest in these brands. Like Alia

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Speaker 1: Naturals is a mom who started her own line of

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Speaker 1: And to be truthful, that's more of what I do now.

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Speaker 1: So like Jillian Michaels has the Gillian Michaels app, you

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Speaker 1: me to tell you what to eat? Everything is there.

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Speaker 1: There's the streaming platform where you could do you could

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Speaker 2: And it's fun to do something different and so to speak,

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Speaker 1: So exactly like you get, you have to evolve, right Like,

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Speaker 1: I still love what I do and I'm good at it.

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Speaker 1: Like I look at training and nutrition just like you

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Speaker 1: would look at let's say, medicine or law. People sub specialize,

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Speaker 1: with the top registered diitations and the top end of chronologists,

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting to me to all the reasons you said, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: flexing different muscles exactly. All right.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, now you're an expert that helps people

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Speaker 2: come from. Kids, and kind of started from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: So where are you from originally? I mean we're sitting

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Speaker 2: right now in Malville. Yeah, beautiful looking out of the water.

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Speaker 1: Sweet. Yeah, life does not stuck. I'm very lucky. I

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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy pounds at twelve. Yeah, and I'm short, obviously,

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Speaker 2: without knowing your story, they don't truly understand that that

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Speaker 2: tough love is coming from probably a place where you're like,

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Speaker 2: I wish I.

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Speaker 1: Said these things to myself. It's Biggest Loser was a

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Speaker 1: very different beast in that you had individuals that were

435
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Speaker 1: literally killing themselves with food. So you know, you're three

436
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Speaker 1: hundred pounds overweights. I mean, you're you're going to die

437
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Speaker 1: very early death, right, So you've got one chance of

438
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Speaker 1: getting through to these people, and it could be a week,

439
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Speaker 1: it could be six weeks, it could be, if you're lucky,

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Speaker 1: a couple of months. But then they go home into

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Speaker 1: the environment that created this dynamic for them in the

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Speaker 1: first place. So I'm looking at it thinking, what are

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Speaker 1: the three things I need to happen before they go

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Speaker 1: home for them to have any chance of keeping the

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Speaker 1: weight off. And people have crucified me and the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh they put all their weight back on, well, sixty

447
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Speaker 1: five percent of them did, thirty five percent of them didn't.

448
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Speaker 1: And if you look at the statistics, five percent of

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Speaker 1: people that lose weight keep it off. So but No

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Speaker 1: one knows that, right, They're just like, oh, let me

451
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Speaker 1: attack the show because it's trying. Need to attack it.

452
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Speaker 1: Losing weight is not cool right now, and it's politically

453
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Speaker 1: incorrect to talk about. And I love being one hundred

454
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Speaker 1: pounds overweight or whatever it might be. You know, the

455
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Speaker 1: reality is being overweight is not healthy and for somebody

456
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Speaker 1: to live their best life, you want them to have

457
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Speaker 1: good physical health. Disease is not fun in any way.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I knew that Number one, they needed

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Speaker 1: to have that rock bottom moment that I had, where

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Speaker 1: the pain of living the way you have been living

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Speaker 1: is worse than the work and the fear associated with

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Speaker 1: the change. Number Two, you need them to take responsibility

463
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Speaker 1: because if they're so busy being like my mom my dad,

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Speaker 1: my this my dad, Like, yes, in life, we've all

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Speaker 1: been victims at one point or another. However we continue

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Speaker 1: these patterns and we victimize ourselves. Right, It's actually called

467
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Speaker 1: a repetition compulsion where we play out the same abusive dynamic.

468
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Speaker 1: If somebody cannot take responsibility for yeah, all this bad

469
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Speaker 1: shit happened to me, but I am choosing to go

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Speaker 1: to that fridge and comfort myself with food or feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm in control with food or whatever it might be,

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Speaker 1: whatever the food is affording them. If they can take

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Speaker 1: responsibility for it, they're fundamentally incapable of changing it. And

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Speaker 1: then the third thing is an accomplishment because the how

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Speaker 1: too of self worth, positive self image, believing in your

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Speaker 1: ability isn't words right, you can I can tell you

477
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Speaker 1: all day long, like oh no, no, no, trust me, you

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Speaker 1: can fly. You're like really because I've never experienced it,

479
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Speaker 1: like until literally you experience that in one way, no

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Speaker 1: matter how small, right, even if it's like arguablieve you

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Speaker 1: could you know, you lift it up off the ground

482
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Speaker 1: one foot, then you'd be like, holy shit, I can fly,

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Speaker 1: Like what else can I do? So you've got to

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Speaker 1: take somebody and say like, look you you can do

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Speaker 1: a push up on your hands and feet, you can

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Speaker 1: run a mile, you you were able to complete this

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Speaker 1: workout or whatever it might be. Where you've shattered this

488
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Speaker 1: notion of who they think they are and subsequently what

489
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Speaker 1: they think they're capable of, and opened up an infinity

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Speaker 1: of possible ability. And if those three things don't happen,

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Speaker 1: there is no hope, non zero in that environment. Like

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Speaker 1: a great therapist working with you for years and years. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you've got a great shot, but we didn't have that.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately then I sure wish we did, because I think

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Speaker 1: our numbers would have been higher than thirty five percent success.

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Speaker 2: the gummy vitamins. Let's get back to it. I love

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Speaker 2: this idea of like you see that you're capable of

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Speaker 2: doing X, so then what you like you said, what

513
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Speaker 2: else can what else can you do? It's for me

514
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Speaker 2: after losing the weight. I part of it for me

515
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: was running and so once I ran a marathon, I

516
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Speaker 2: literally wow.

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Speaker 1: In my mind.

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Speaker 2: Thought stemming from the weight loss as well, I'm literally

519
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: capable of doing anything I set my mind. So I

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00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: mean things like even like reaching out to your team

521
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Speaker 2: and being like, so, does Jillian want to sit down

522
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Speaker 2: with me?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes people are like how do you get these people

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Speaker 1: on the pod? And it's like I asked, man, like

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Speaker 1: I just want And obviously.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a work that goes into it, and

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Speaker 2: you've got to build your base before you can You've

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Speaker 2: got to I don't know what's the there's some metaphor

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Speaker 2: for like putting taking off the training wheels before you

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Speaker 2: can like ride a motorcycle. I don't know, but I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying, like you have to like put in the

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Speaker 2: foundation to get to where you want to be and

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Speaker 2: to grow. But I just think it's like, I'm curious,

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Speaker 2: once you realized what you were capable of after you

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Speaker 2: lost the weight, what was the first thing that one

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Speaker 2: of the first things that you thought, well, I did this,

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Speaker 2: so I can do that.

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Speaker 1: God, that's so interesting. I got to think about.

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Speaker 2: That because it was like for me like once I,

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Speaker 2: once I learned how to run a mile, I was like, well,

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Speaker 2: then I can run a five k and shoot, like,

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Speaker 2: am I crazy enough to run a half marathon? And

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Speaker 2: I'm going run a marathon? Once I ran the marathon,

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, I can do anything. I set

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Speaker 2: my mind to marathon. Literally, I mean the guy that

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Speaker 2: ran the first one dropped dead.

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Speaker 1: So anyone that doesn't gets mad respect for me. For years,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh hell no, I'm like on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: have you done a half marathon? Oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: terrible runner? That's okay, Like I I keep the most

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Speaker 1: I think I've ever come in my life and celebrated

552
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Speaker 1: for hours, was like five miles. WHOA, Like I suck

553
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Speaker 1: at running? I'm just ugh, do I give you like

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Speaker 1: mad props? Because that really is such a feat of discipline.

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Speaker 2: Think about the things that you're disciplined about on the regular.

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Speaker 2: That's so many people you know struggle with Like for

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Speaker 2: me running, I mean some days it comes easy and

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Speaker 2: sometimes it feels like everest. But for me, it's something

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Speaker 2: that like it's my it's like how I chilled. I

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Speaker 2: get it, you know, And I'm sure you have things

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Speaker 2: like that as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what would have been the thing? I would

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Speaker 1: tell you that probably my black belt. I went back

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Speaker 1: at twenty one because I stopped it around eighteen. And

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Speaker 1: I also, I'm such a cliche, it's like embarrassing. But

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Speaker 1: I had add and didn't realize it. I actually didn't

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Speaker 1: even same thing, like the same as being gay. It

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Speaker 1: just wasn't It wasn't common knowledge, so you don't have

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Speaker 1: the skills to learn how to manage it right. But

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Speaker 1: when I was in to be passionate about something, I

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Speaker 1: could be hyper focused, which is how add it's. When

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Speaker 1: you're extremely passionate about something, it changes your brain chemistry

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Speaker 1: and allows you to kind of like telescope in on something.

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Speaker 1: But in college, you know, you get all those general GEDs.

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Speaker 1: You got to take all of this that whatever that

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't I couldn't get into. I could not

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Speaker 1: in high school was the same every year summer school

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Speaker 1: math chemistry, math chemistry, every summer worse subject. Oh could

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Speaker 1: not just couldn't do it so that, and I think

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Speaker 1: the culture that whole, like Greek culture and frat parties,

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Speaker 1: I didn't relate to Where were you at Northridge? Okay?

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Speaker 1: At that point, I was training people during the day,

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Speaker 1: and I was bartending illegally at nights with a fake ID,

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Speaker 1: and I was making a ton of cash, and I

585
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Speaker 1: was really happy, and I just thought, you know what,

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Speaker 1: this is not for me, Like I'll find a different way.

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Speaker 1: But in college, isn't for everybody. If I could have

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Speaker 1: gone back, if I thought I could do it like

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Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I would have. I regret not

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Speaker 1: having a degree tremendously. It's just sometimes it's just not

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Speaker 1: for everyone.

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Speaker 2: This makes me think of I was listening to your podcast.

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Speaker 2: We haven't even talked about that yet. I see it

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Speaker 2: all the time on the chart because I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: that top ten and I see your photo up there.

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Speaker 2: On the podcast, you said something that was like there

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Speaker 2: is no what if, there's only what is? Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: I thought that was so interesting because it's like it's

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Speaker 2: being mature and being like this is what it is now,

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Speaker 2: Like this doesn't feel like it's right for me, So

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Speaker 2: what can I do now that I've come to terms

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Speaker 2: with that.

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Speaker 1: That's my shrink. Actually, those are as I kind of

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Speaker 1: negotiate my way through life. What if I had done

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Speaker 1: this differently? I mean, there is no what if. There's

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Speaker 1: what is, and that's what you're dealing with. So that's

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Speaker 1: what you deal with. And I just wasn't. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: a student. These are the decisions I made at the time,

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Speaker 1: and that is what is. So that is what you

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Speaker 1: deal with.

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Speaker 2: So when you get your black belt, is this what

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Speaker 2: really launches your like more deep interest in fitness.

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Speaker 1: I don't even like fitness. I am really good at it,

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Speaker 1: but I really don't like it. Think of it like this,

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Speaker 1: if I'm an architect, I don't love my pencil, but

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Speaker 1: I do like creating like this incredible building or structure.

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Speaker 1: Right for me, I like helping people build better lives.

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Speaker 1: It gives me meaning on a selfish level. Right, I

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Speaker 1: get to play some small part in that journey, So

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Speaker 1: I feel more powerful and a little less helpless in

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Speaker 1: the world, because God, I hate that feeling, and I

622
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Speaker 1: think we all do. So I get to make money

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Speaker 1: doing something that gives me meaning, makes me feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm of use, and I love that fitness is just

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Speaker 1: a tool that I utilize to help people do it. Personally.

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Speaker 1: You will never catch me in the gym being like, ugh,

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Speaker 1: I love this. I hate it. I hate it so much.

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Speaker 1: I literally cannot stand it. I never think to myself

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Speaker 1: like I cannot wait to go and squad one hundred

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Speaker 1: pounds today. No, I dread it, but I feel so

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Speaker 1: much better when it's done. I feel so much better

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Speaker 1: being fit, being strong, feeling powerful, being a role model

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Speaker 1: for my kids, all of those different things that come

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Speaker 1: along with being healthy. So I've learned how to master

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Speaker 1: fitness in order to get what I want.

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Speaker 2: I think that's so interesting probably for the hurdlers to

637
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: hear as well, because so many of them can probably

638
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Speaker 2: relate to this idea that oh I hate working out.

639
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Speaker 2: I don't feel like working out. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: go to the gym. But it's that after man.

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00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: It's the same thing, by the way, with your career,

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00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: right or your relationship. Like today I was like, oh

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00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: my god, Monday, and it's just like looking down the

644
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: barrel of all the crap that all the emails you've

645
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: got over the weekend, all this stuff you have to do.

646
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: But I love what I do, but there's a reason

647
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: it's called working out or hard work. Anything worth having

648
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: is going to require work and sacrifice. And that's where

649
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: it comes down to that, Like what's your why, right,

650
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: because it's the why that allows you to tolerate the how.

651
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: What a snippet? So you don't love fitness, but you

652
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: still got into it.

653
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so talk to me about like when you because

654
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: did you first become a certified trainer?

655
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: And then it went from there. I was training for

656
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: my black belt originally at seventeen and then ended up

657
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: like I don't know. I mean, I have a lot

658
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: of theories on why I sabotaged it, but whatever, I

659
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: was training for it at seventeen. And then people would

660
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: see me in the gym because I graduated high school early,

661
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: not because I'm brilliant, just clearly because my birthday fell

662
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: on like a weird date and they thought that I

663
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: was a trainer. So people come up to me, and

664
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: at the time, I think I was delivering I swear

665
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: to God, I think I was delivering pizza and barbecue

666
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: food to people for like eight dollars an hour, and

667
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: they would say like how much to charge? And of

668
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: course at the time I was like, for what, And

669
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: I thought like, oh, it's like work to work you out,

670
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: like sure, I don't know, fifteen bucks an hour. And

671
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: my mom, thank god, it was the voice of reason,

672
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: and she's like, I think you need some sort of certification.

673
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Don't you need like a girl scout badge? Like you

674
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: need something for this. I'm sure of it. And she

675
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: paid for me to get my first little certification. And

676
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: I just started doing it at seventeen and a half

677
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: and never thought anything of it, just did it for fun,

678
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: without realizing, oh, I could actually make a living doing

679
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 1: this or maybe I should, and so do it during

680
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: the day. And you know, by the time I was

681
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: in my twenties and I was charging like forty dollars

682
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: an hour and I was bartending at night, and just

683
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I fell I fell into it

684
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: and took it all for granted until the day that

685
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: I decided I needed a real job, a responsible job,

686
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: I guess you would say I was. I was like

687
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: twenty three, and I ended up falling into the entertainment

688
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: industry thinking that that would be the responsible thing to

689
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: do it, kind of like David Geffen. My way through

690
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: the training program at ICM, like faking diplomas and all

691
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: of that, and I actually became a motion picture packaging

692
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: agent by the time I was twenty seven, and it's

693
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: a very long story, but I hated it passionately and

694
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: made terrible money and ended up falling back into fitness

695
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: when I was twenty seven and a half.

696
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: And you were remembering that you were making pretty good

697
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: money training people as one off.

698
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: I think I didn't realize at the time that I

699
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: could have made a good living in fitness because I

700
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: was like, I need an adult job, Like what do

701
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: my guy can't do this forever, Like I have to

702
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: grow up. And I ended up getting caught in this

703
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: like political nightmare between these two huge agents and make

704
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: a very long story short, I was kind of the

705
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: casualty of it and got fired and I didn't know

706
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: what the hell I was gonna do. I was like

707
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: dead ass, broke literally like scraping change out of the

708
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: sofa cushions to put gas in my car. I mean,

709
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: just a mess, like twenty seven, thinking to myself, like

710
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: how did I end up here? It worked so hard

711
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: and I have nothing to show for it, And I

712
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: ended up working in a sports medicine facility, putting like

713
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: the eastam and ice packs on patients that were in

714
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: physical therapy, and I was so embarrassed and just thinking

715
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: to myself like I was emotional picture packaging it very

716
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: la very young, very imature, very insecure. But to make

717
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: a long story short, after several months, waking up happy

718
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: again for the first time in years, and at that

719
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: point I was like, all right, how can I do this?

720
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: This is what I love? How can I make a

721
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: living at it? And then I ultimately opened my own

722
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: sports medicine facility by the time I was twenty nine,

723
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: and by the time I was thirty, I was on

724
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: an NBC show and then the rest kind of became mystery.

725
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy to think about the progression there

726
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: because you went there at first and you were so embarrassed,

727
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: and it ended up eventually, months and months and months

728
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: later being something that you realize made you happy. And

729
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: I think there's a really a big lesson in that.

730
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: And that's so many times we start something and we

731
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: give up so quickly because it just doesn't feel right.

732
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's a bad day for your ego is

733
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: a good day for your soul? Yeah, And it's like

734
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I needed to have my ego put in check. I

735
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: needed to have kind of another yet another rock Bottom moment,

736
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: and didn't j k Rowling. She was like, rock Bottom

737
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: is like the great plate. Is it excellent foundation to

738
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: build your new life on top of? Yeah, but so

739
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: so basically Yeah, at twenty seven, I was just like,

740
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I spent three and a half years grinding like crazy

741
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: to get here, and this is the part where I'm like,

742
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: it's supposed to pay off, and now I'm fired and blacklisted,

743
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: like literally could not get a job. So I had

744
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: no choice but to get back into fitness, and I

745
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I've gone backwards. I can't

746
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: believe I'm backworky started, which is exactly where it should

747
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: have been to begin with.

748
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's so interesting, especially now obviously how

749
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: many million you reach over like one hundred million people annually.

750
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Through the different platforms. That's intense, that's weird. What's interesting

751
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: about it is that, yes, digital is of the moment

752
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: and everything's moving there. But there's a lot to be

753
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: said for all forms of media. So for us, and

754
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I say us again because it's like my business partner

755
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: and the Gillian Michaels brand, which is so cheesy and gross,

756
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. Whether you're doing the

757
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: cover of Women's Health in the UK for January New Years,

758
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: that's going to hit how many people right do a

759
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: podcast that hits a little group, or you write a

760
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: book that hits a group, or you have your DVDs

761
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: that are old but people still use them, or your app.

762
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: You can touch people in all forms of media, and

763
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's super important. It's totally

764
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: like your podcast. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I love to

765
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: do it. I know exactly who's you're a kid and

766
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: the like, I know who that kid is. He's great.

767
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean I'm only like dating myself unfortunately, but I mean, like,

768
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: this is exactly the point. So it's it's being able

769
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: to do something like this and then doing something like

770
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: GMA and then writing a blog for your website.

771
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: And that's kind of how you aggregate an audience. Nowadays,

772
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: they're all pieces to the buzz. It's interesting. So obviously

773
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: all of these one hundred million people, they see you,

774
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: and when you look in the mirror, what is it

775
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: that you see?

776
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a great question. It is it is

777
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: very different for sure. To me, I think like just

778
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: a mom, you know, struggling to kind of raise two

779
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: good humans by setting a decent example for them. A

780
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: business woman that makes a lot of mistakes, Oh my god,

781
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: but it's you know, you fire enough arrows at the target,

782
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: one of them is gonna hit. But I think to myself, like,

783
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: if people had any idea, how many failures, how many

784
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: setbacks in order to get one win one, there's like

785
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: a million a million lost battles along the way. I'm

786
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: also like a pretty big bleeding heart. I really am,

787
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: like just because there's a part of me that was

788
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: that underdog. Right, So whether it's like all right, you know,

789
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: today we're gonna rescue dogs, and tomorrow we're gonna try

790
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: to do something about this problem and something about that problem,

791
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: because fundamentally you feel helpless. I just I think I'm

792
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: more in touch with that feeling than most people, even

793
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: though we all do feel that way. And I struggle

794
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: with that a lot, and I think that's how I

795
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: fill up a lot of my day. It's trying to

796
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: feel lit a little less helpless in the world. I

797
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: love that. I know that's like a weird thing to love.

798
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: About you. But that's really sweet. I think I need

799
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: to accept that I'm helpless, but I just refuse it.

800
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: But it's good that you don't, because think of all

801
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 2: the good you're doing because you don't accept that some.

802
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Of it, dude, but some of it, Like well, what

803
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: about like the hundred mile challenge. Okay, let's look at that.

804
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Let's look at that. That is what that is. Okay,

805
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: So it is a fundraiser that I'm doing for the UNHCR,

806
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: which is the United Nations Refugee Agency. Right, Oh my god.

807
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: So there's like the number is like seventy point eight

808
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: million people across five continents that are quote displaced. So

809
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: they have different labels, but basically all refugees in one

810
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: way or another. But some are called refugees, some aren't. Okay,

811
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: And you look at this global crisis and it is

812
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: the largest humanitarian crisis in human history, and I think

813
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: it's really easy to just check out. And there are

814
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: days when I am so overwhelmed and think like this

815
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: is impossible. I think this is an impossible problem to solve,

816
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: and I think we just kind of check out and

817
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: we focus on what we can focus on. So I thought,

818
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: all right, what can I try to do? How can

819
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: I try to help where you have this moral imperative,

820
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: not that you think you can make a difference, but

821
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: you feel a moral imperative to try. And I ended

822
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 1: up taking a trip to the Congo this year, and

823
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: I went to a refugee camp where the South Sudanese

824
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: who have been dealing with this insane civil war for

825
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: the past six years are running to the Congo. And

826
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: it's very complicated, but you know, you're looking at human

827
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: beings in front of you, children that want to go

828
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: to school. There's two schools that hold one hundred kids each.

829
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: There's nine thousand people in this refugee settlement, taking in

830
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: hundreds a week, half of which are kids, and two

831
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: hundred of them can go to school. This one kid

832
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: looked at me. He's an orphan, and he's like, there

833
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: is no hope for me, Like I can't get an education.

834
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: I can't. You know, do this, do this, do this,

835
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: do this, do this, do this. And I know you're thinking, like, oh,

836
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: we'll go pay for that kid, which by the way,

837
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: I would do, but you cannot because of the rules

838
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: in place right going and like hand select children. So

839
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: I basically came home and he was one of I

840
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: don't know fifty stories I heard, and I was like,

841
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: they need money. Like the UNHCR knows what they're doing.

842
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: They need money. The budget for just Congo is two

843
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million. They have nineteen million. They have

844
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: nine percent of their funding for that one crisis. And

845
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: I just thought like, all right, we got to raise

846
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: awareness and educate people about what a refugee actually is.

847
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: And at the same time, maybe we can at least

848
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: build like a secondary school for this kid. And in

849
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: the process of trying to raise two hundred thousand dollars,

850
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: which is nothing, right, a drop in the bucket. It's

851
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: really hard because it's not a popular cost. But you know,

852
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: you're like God, and it makes me feel like Jesus,

853
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: really like it's that hard to raise two hundred thousand dollars,

854
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: holy shit, And it makes you feel a little bit

855
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: like in adequate and a little bit helpless again. But

856
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, we're gonna get to two hundred thousand

857
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: dollars and it's gonna do. It's gonna buy one thing.

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Speaker 3: In that place, if it's an ambulance or if it's

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Speaker 3: another health clinic or if it's one more school, like

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Speaker 3: it'll help one hundred more kids out of seventy million,

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Speaker 3: it's still one hundred kids.

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Speaker 1: So then how does the walking play into it? So

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Speaker 1: the idea is we're gonna walk a hundred miles, right,

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Speaker 1: anybody who pledges to do it over the month of July,

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Speaker 1: because refugees walk literally hundreds of millions of miles a

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Speaker 1: year to try to get to safety. So it's raising awareness, right,

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Speaker 1: it's walking in solidarity, and then it's asking friends, it's saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk one hundred miles, will you sponsor me

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Speaker 1: to do it? Right? In that don't pay for my

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Speaker 1: shoes or whatever, but like we donate money for the

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Speaker 1: cause and to support me in supporting them. But yes,

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Speaker 1: at any point you could and you you literally would

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Speaker 1: go to Stepwithgillian dot org or Step with Refugees dot org.

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Speaker 1: It's all part of the UNHCR's website to educate yourself.

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Speaker 1: And I think everybody has a cause that's important to them.

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Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people, why don't you

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Speaker 1: help people here? Why don't you do this? It's like

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Speaker 1: I do I pick a card. It's like I've worked

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Speaker 1: with stand up to cancer. I've worked with the Alliance

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Speaker 1: for a Healthier Generation, I've competed to help animals. I

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Speaker 1: mean I do, And I think the point is you

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Speaker 1: either help people or you don't. So you have something

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Speaker 1: that's important to you, you focus on it. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: I mean we can all do a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: We can all not use plastic straws. Even if the

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Speaker 1: ocean isn't our particular cause, right, we can all do something, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: And I think also, I mean you're giving the audience

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Speaker 2: some advice on how they can give back. When you

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Speaker 2: think about advice that you've been offered, Yeah, in your career,

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Speaker 2: does anything stand out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing in particular. I'll try to be really

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Speaker 1: quick with this, but number one is trust your gut.

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Speaker 1: Because every massive air I've made that has played it

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Speaker 1: has played a part right where you're like, well, they

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Speaker 1: know better. Are they're the producer, or they're the this

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Speaker 1: or there, whatever, They would know they're the expert even

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Speaker 1: though your gut's telling you it's not gonna work. So

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Speaker 1: you might have played along. But if you had fought

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Speaker 1: for it and you had trusted your gut and it worked,

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Speaker 1: they'd have to work with you. Again anyway, So that

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Speaker 1: one is massive, and the other one is you can't micromanage,

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Speaker 1: but you also can't step out of something and think like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is the lawyer. They know better. Okay, sign on

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Speaker 1: the line. Great, I'll sign. Uh. You got to know

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Speaker 1: everything that's in that contract and I've explained to you

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Speaker 1: because it's your business, be your own advocate. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: huge massive those two things, huge mistakes, multi million dollar,

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Speaker 1: potentially career ending disasters over the last two decades. Had

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Speaker 1: I just like Jesus, known those two things and really focused.

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Speaker 2: On them, all right, the last question, you have an

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Speaker 2: opportunity right now to offer the jillion that is overweight

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Speaker 2: and a teenager and feeling lost and unsure and like,

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Speaker 2: shit is weird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one piece of advice going weird. It is weird.

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Speaker 1: I would I would definitely tell her like all of

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Speaker 1: this is making you who you are, and that person

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Speaker 1: is going to be a good person that you can

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Speaker 1: be proud of. So you know, grind it out and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna pay off, just like just like who you've become,

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Speaker 1: Like you'd never be the person you've become had you

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Speaker 1: not been through everything that you went through. We're lucky,

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Speaker 1: aren't we? Yeah, very much so, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: hanging out with me. Oh no, god, thanks for thanks

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Speaker 1: for talking to me. I'm glad I've read the list

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Speaker 1: you did.

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Speaker 2: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: Jillian. Where are all the places that they can find you?

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Speaker 1: I just like, go to Jillianmichaels dot com. Everything's there,

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Speaker 1: So if you want the podcast on health and fitness,

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Speaker 1: free advice, it's there, Books there, DVDs, there, app there,

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Speaker 1: It's all Jillianmichaels dot com and at Jillianmichaels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's it all right, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys

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Speaker 1: next time.