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Speaker 2: What's up everyone? It is the thirtieth of January twenty
Speaker 2: twenty sixth My name is Luke Thomas, and welcome to
Speaker 2: another edition of Morning Combat. As you can see, I'm
Speaker 2: joined here. I get well. I got rid of one
Speaker 2: Connecticut bozo and I'm returned a different one. I just
Speaker 2: can't quit you Connecticut bozos. It's the iceman himself, Chuckmanton Hall.
Speaker 3: Who when did you get home?
Speaker 2: Ice Man? How long did that take?
Speaker 4: God man, it was a it was an ordeal, Luke.
Speaker 4: I got I finally got home Monday night. I was
Speaker 4: supposed to come back on Saturday, but I was going
Speaker 4: to get hung up no matter where I was at
Speaker 4: it either it was gonna be Vegas or in connection
Speaker 4: through Chicago.
Speaker 3: So I did what any color Radden would do.
Speaker 4: I flew to Denver, watched the Broncos lose there, and
Speaker 4: then I was able to catch a flight on Monday.
Speaker 3: Did you stay with the parents.
Speaker 4: I said, I stayed with my sister, and you know,
Speaker 4: I saw some other family and watched the game with
Speaker 4: some family and very depressing scenes over there.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I was very bitter. I was like, I
Speaker 2: cannot believe we're gonna let the Patriots go back to
Speaker 2: the super Bowl again.
Speaker 3: Broke unbearable.
Speaker 2: The most obnoxious fan base in sports, which is saying,
Speaker 2: quite well, maybe that's that's a little strong. One of
Speaker 2: the most obnoxious fan bases in sports, and not even
Speaker 2: that good of a team, but they just keep advancing.
Speaker 2: I don't quite get it.
Speaker 4: The weather rolled in, man, I don't know if you
Speaker 4: watched that game, but it was Yeah, it was cold,
Speaker 4: but then once it like the flurries came in, it
Speaker 4: just changed everything. It was like neither offense could function.
Speaker 2: I saw both kickers miss field goals. If memory serves.
Speaker 4: Right, that's an exciting AFC championship right there, when both like,
Speaker 4: that's what you remember is the kickers missing field goals.
Speaker 2: Well, that is now behind us. I guess what's left
Speaker 2: is the Super Bowl. But of course we have to
Speaker 2: get to what some sortant to us, which is the fights.
Speaker 2: And there are a bunch of them this weekend. Today
Speaker 2: on the show, we're gonna sort of quickly recap some
Speaker 2: of the numbers that came out from USC through twenty four,
Speaker 2: which are basically universally good. We're gonna talk about those
Speaker 2: and what they mean. Then we're gonna get lean Heavy
Speaker 2: USC three twenty five main event, main card, prelim card,
Speaker 2: the whole nine yards supposed to have an update for you.
Speaker 2: One of the fights did fall out and under comical circumstances,
Speaker 2: I think is maybe one of the better ways to
Speaker 2: put that. And then of course at around twelve thirty,
Speaker 2: we'll be joined by Sean Zittel, who's gonna walk us
Speaker 2: through the entire weekend in boxing, one of the great
Speaker 2: boxing scribes of our time. Give us a follow on
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Speaker 2: as well as for me and then Chuck himself. Chuck,
Speaker 2: do you have any work to plug over at old
Speaker 2: Yahoo related to this weekend's fights.
Speaker 4: We've got like a big so Yahoo itself, the parent
Speaker 4: company has like they wanted us to do like a
Speaker 4: big kind of preview of all the things because we
Speaker 4: got three pretty pretty good one Mega Boxing event and
Speaker 4: a couple of other box same as plus the Royal
Speaker 4: Rombo I know you're into that and then us yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: so we wanted to make sure that it was all
Speaker 4: one stop shopping. So that's up, and I've got like
Speaker 4: a round table with Pezz Carroll that's running right now,
Speaker 4: just asking all the burning questions.
Speaker 2: You know, very good. We have one day left for
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in our third member here of the program.
Speaker 2: He is well sober and sometimes not. You just never
Speaker 2: know what you're gonna get when he's on the game. Hey, Luke, what's.
Speaker 3: Up, dude? How you doing?
Speaker 2: Guys? How are we doing?
Speaker 3: Chuck? What I was gonna ask?
Speaker 2: Are you guys in Long Island dealing with what we're
Speaker 2: dealing with here, which what they're calling snow crete, not
Speaker 2: concrete but snow.
Speaker 5: First of all, Luke, it's on Long Island. Anyone would
Speaker 5: know that. But anyways, yeah, they actually have a how
Speaker 5: about that they had this whole overnight thing in my
Speaker 5: town two nights ago where they brought in like bulldozers
Speaker 5: to bulldoze out all the excess snow because it was
Speaker 5: just piling up and like you said, freezing and it
Speaker 5: was making the town like impossible to walk through.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're dealing with some ship here.
Speaker 5: We're supposed to get more too, like today tomorrow, I
Speaker 5: don't know, but not looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: How the mood ahead of the UC three twenty five
Speaker 2: for you is what I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm I told you last three fights man are actually
Speaker 5: like really exciting the card as a whole.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's as exciting as an aussy, you know.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it full card. Watch along by
Speaker 3: the way, main Carmen it tune.
Speaker 4: In as an ausy. Oh wait wait you have Australian citizenship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, motherfucker.
Speaker 4: The Australian person in human history.
Speaker 5: No, I'm the least Australian Australian in human history.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but you know, like I just disappears himself like
Speaker 3: that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah he is, Uh, he's good for that.
Speaker 3: Probably the clouds that's new, that's should show.
Speaker 2: We should make your transition into and off the screen,
Speaker 2: just like like smoke getting shot onto.
Speaker 4: The what's that little dude of the little green dude
Speaker 4: in the Flintstones who like would appear like that's what
Speaker 4: it's like, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Like a little green alien whatever?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Chuck, what's your coverage plan for the weekend?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: I think that Uh, I don't have like this one.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny is I for the longest time
Speaker 4: for all week. And I guess it's because I was
Speaker 4: so caught up in last week's festivities. I thought that
Speaker 4: this was an early card for us. I thought this
Speaker 4: was like one of those two PM type things. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know, I only learned this morning that it
Speaker 4: was not. So I'll have a late night doing some
Speaker 4: uh you know, recaps and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But that's about it. I'll have a column coming out.
Speaker 4: I always have a post fight column, and then we'll
Speaker 4: have like some rankings, the pound for pound rankings that
Speaker 4: will be updated.
Speaker 3: Got vulk on there, so there should be some movement.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we have a lot to get to
Speaker 2: so we started a little bit late. So without further ado,
Speaker 2: let's get this party started. Topic number one. Let's quickly
Speaker 2: recap UFC three twenty four. Not the results themselves, we've
Speaker 2: been over that, but some of the numbers that came out, Chuck,
Speaker 2: I want to read these to you and then we're
Speaker 2: going to contextualize them. So what they said was the
Speaker 2: UFC three twenty four posted an average minute audience of
Speaker 2: four point nine six million views as they as well
Speaker 2: as reaching seven point one eight million global households and
Speaker 2: then peaked with five point nine to three million concurrent streams. Also,
Speaker 2: what they said after the fact, you could see here
Speaker 2: trend on x they were number one for six consecutive hours.
Speaker 2: They had nearly two hundred thousand more mentions versus UFC
Speaker 2: through twenty three, which is not surprising and for no
Speaker 2: other reason it was a much better card, but the
Speaker 2: number one most social event of the night across broadcast,
Speaker 2: cable and streaming. So a lot of pretty good numbers.
Speaker 2: And then there's one more that I actually thought was
Speaker 2: pretty interesting was that they claimed to have added a
Speaker 2: million subs chuck, just from this one event. So I
Speaker 2: actually went back and I looked at this, What were
Speaker 2: some other places that had added numbers, and so here's
Speaker 2: what I found. Peacock, for example, for the NFL wild
Speaker 2: Card exclusive which was Dolphins Chiefs in January of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. They added two point eight million set signups.
Speaker 2: But that's you know, exclusive NFL Wildcard, that's pretty big.
Speaker 2: Paris Olympics in late July two point eight million sign ups,
Speaker 2: Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson, one point four to three
Speaker 2: million sign ups, NFL Christmas Day. This was from twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, so it was a three day window. They
Speaker 2: added about seven hundred thousand sign ups. And then, lastly
Speaker 2: and most importantly, UFC Fight Night Debut and ESPN Plus.
Speaker 2: This was January of twenty nineteen in Brooklyn. I was
Speaker 2: there that day. Five hundred and seventy thousand new subscribers
Speaker 2: over the course of two days. Now, again, none of
Speaker 2: these are apples to apples, and even that twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: figure streaming was just not as prominent as it is now.
Speaker 2: But Chuck, there's basically no way to look at this
Speaker 2: and say these numbers are bad. How good they are,
Speaker 2: I think remains to be seen. What is your reaction overall?
Speaker 3: How do you.
Speaker 2: Understand what kind of performance this had?
Speaker 4: You know, man, I don't know how you felt exactly,
Speaker 4: about like where this would end up on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 4: For me, there was a little worry, right because when
Speaker 4: they went to ESPN Plus, they were kind of the flagship.
Speaker 4: They were the reason to get ESPN plus. They were
Speaker 4: the full reason, right Like it was like they're bringing
Speaker 4: in Okay, now, everybody come over here and we can
Speaker 4: watch the fights. It wasn't the pay per views, but
Speaker 4: it was the fights. I worried a little bit about
Speaker 4: Paramount Plus already having existed and now going head to
Speaker 4: head obviously for a long time or at least a
Speaker 4: relatively long time with Netflix and all the others. Would
Speaker 4: it just be a woodwork product? Like would it be
Speaker 4: a product they're bringing in that's a big deal, but
Speaker 4: would it just be just another product rather than a
Speaker 4: flagship type thing. But I think that these numbers they're
Speaker 4: very impressive. For that reason, I wasn't sure, like when
Speaker 4: you mentioned the five hundred and seventy thousand from twenty
Speaker 4: to nineteen, you know, to double that essentially, you know,
Speaker 4: somewhere in that vicinity is a big deal because sometimes
Speaker 4: when you're inside of the sport like we are, you
Speaker 4: kind of lose track of what's happening on the outside.
Speaker 4: It's such a widespread thing now that it's hard to
Speaker 4: keep tabs on. You know, is the sport growing like
Speaker 4: we think it is, or is it like, is it
Speaker 4: stagnant or what's happening? So to me, man, when you
Speaker 4: see numbers like that, and and I still think that
Speaker 4: the pandemic and some of the things that happened within
Speaker 4: the ESPN plus era probably helped the audience really really
Speaker 4: build to what it is now. But to get a
Speaker 4: million subs just like that, that that seems like a
Speaker 4: home run. And you know the numbers you mentioned, I
Speaker 4: think the first one on Fox correct me if you like,
Speaker 4: if you if you have these numbers too, the first
Speaker 4: time that they win twenty eleven. It's hard because, like
Speaker 4: you said, it's not apples to apples. Now you're looking
Speaker 4: at a different era. But wasn't the number something like
Speaker 4: five five and a half million tuned in for that?
Speaker 4: And I can remember at the time in twenty eleven,
Speaker 4: I think it was We thought that that was just
Speaker 4: an astronomical number to tune in and watch a UFC fight.
Speaker 3: You remember this, and we were like.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a little it was Again, it's not
Speaker 2: quite apples to apples for a few reasons, not least
Speaker 2: of which was the member. The main event lasted right
Speaker 2: forty five or whatever it was. It peaked with about
Speaker 2: eight million, right peaked about, but had an average audience
Speaker 2: of about five right right right around this.
Speaker 4: But I mean, but that seemed absolutely astronomical to us.
Speaker 4: And I think at the time, where like, who knew
Speaker 4: that UFC would ever ascend to a level where eight
Speaker 4: million people, you know, would tune in and watch an
Speaker 4: event like that. You've cut forward to now fifteen years
Speaker 4: whatever it is, fourteen years and you get this number,
Speaker 4: and it's less shocking because the thing has been moving
Speaker 4: in that direction. But it's not something to take for
Speaker 4: granted when you get those kind of numbers. Man, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that is tough to do when you have so
Speaker 4: much competition out there, with all the different streaming service
Speaker 4: and all the different sports and everything.
Speaker 3: So in my mind, I was like, man.
Speaker 4: It's it just it's a testament that the UFC is still,
Speaker 4: if not as popular, it's if it's not growing, it's
Speaker 4: as popular right now as it's ever been.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm not so sure. And when I say I'm
Speaker 2: not so sure, what I mean is I'm not saying no,
Speaker 2: I'm saying it. I mean it's weird, right because it's
Speaker 2: more global than it's ever been. I mean about that,
Speaker 2: there's just I mean no argument whatsoever. And it also
Speaker 2: I think has reached levels that are of cultural ascendency
Speaker 2: that were I mean you mentioned like unfathomable. I mean
Speaker 2: they're going to have a card on the White House
Speaker 2: lawn like talk about unfathomable. Right, So in that sense,
Speaker 2: there's like no argument about where MMA's place has gone up.
Speaker 2: But I do think it did decline in popularity, not
Speaker 2: in a huge way chalking about like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it was calamitous, but I think it was like a
Speaker 2: steady kind of Chinese water torture drip during the ESPN
Speaker 2: era for a variety of factors. And by the way,
Speaker 2: that UFC on Fox number that you're talking about, this
Speaker 2: was Kane Velaskas versus JDS one did a three point
Speaker 2: one rating and five point seven million viewers. Again that
Speaker 2: was the average, not the peak, but the average for
Speaker 2: one just a one hour broadcast. You know, if that
Speaker 2: fight had gone the distance, I think they would have
Speaker 2: done well in excess of ten million, maybe fifteen. But
Speaker 2: the reason why I say that these numbers are great
Speaker 2: is because they're just contestably great. A million sign ups
Speaker 2: is great. Averaging five million views is great. Five point
Speaker 2: nine to three million concurrent streams at its peak is great.
Speaker 2: The only thing to consider is these are worldwide numbers,
Speaker 2: not just the US. So again it's like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: really short broadcast in twenty eleven, and then you've got
Speaker 2: this much longer one, but in a completely different paradigm.
Speaker 2: All I can say is the paramount has to be happy.
Speaker 2: They have to be had, They have to be happy
Speaker 2: with the numbers they were pulling. They have to be
Speaker 2: happy with It was the most sign ups they'd ever
Speaker 2: had from any single sporting event in that streaming services history.
Speaker 2: Like they're literally establishing benchmarks of performance. I would say
Speaker 2: that one thing is kind of funny. Even with a
Speaker 2: million signups, you can see that they're probably not going
Speaker 2: to get a million sign ups this weekend. I think
Speaker 2: they're probably gonna get a lot less, which is understandable,
Speaker 2: Which is understandable. No one's comparing the two in that sense.
Speaker 2: But even with that, like you can see, like, okay,
Speaker 2: what is that worth? Like at a top end one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy million. Of course,
Speaker 2: you're not going to scale that over the course of
Speaker 2: a year plus, there's going to be churn on the
Speaker 2: back end. In other words, again, I'm not saying I
Speaker 2: like the ads. I wish there were no ads. I'm
Speaker 2: asking Paramount to create a tier where I don't have
Speaker 2: to pay for ads so I can pay for that
Speaker 2: service at point. Yeah, that said, that said, you're not
Speaker 2: making your money back on subs, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: there's just mathematically is not going to be done. Now,
Speaker 2: let me ask this question if I maychuck, which is
Speaker 2: again it's one event. We have a seven year run
Speaker 2: to go on. Let's see what happens. But do you
Speaker 2: think now, after seeing some of the results from UFC
Speaker 2: three twenty four that what does it really mean to
Speaker 2: take away the wall of pay per view to make
Speaker 2: this accessible to the average sporting fan. Do you think
Speaker 2: it actually can make a difference. That remains to be seen.
Speaker 4: I do think that right now, you know, coming out
Speaker 4: of whatever amount of time we were doing pay per views,
Speaker 4: you know, like coming out of that and you come
Speaker 4: into an era where the very first card is a
Speaker 4: pay per view quality card. It's got a title implication.
Speaker 4: You're supposed to have the women's you know, goat fight
Speaker 4: of all. You know, it's supposed to be on there
Speaker 4: between a mandan Unas and Harrison.
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be even more stacked. But it
Speaker 3: was free.
Speaker 4: I mean, it seemed like it's free with your sub right, Like,
Speaker 4: So it's that novelty, is what anybody I talk to
Speaker 4: that's kind of more of a casual or whatever, like
Speaker 4: this is the lure, right anybody who kind of wants
Speaker 4: to watch the fights, but they do not buy them anymore,
Speaker 4: or they they stream them, or they go someplace they
Speaker 4: all get together. This was like the big novelty. I
Speaker 4: don't know how long that will last. My big concern
Speaker 4: is that at some point the numbered cards will just
Speaker 4: kind of bleed in to the regular cards and unless
Speaker 4: they're make them very like over the course of time
Speaker 4: where just title fights. And I know they were already
Speaker 4: doing those with pay per views anyway, but like there's
Speaker 4: a big distinguishing marker. But we have seen times where
Speaker 4: a pay per view or like a numbered card now
Speaker 4: will come up up where there just simply aren't enough champions.
Speaker 4: You know, there aren't people around to fill that card.
Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to see what all that looks like
Speaker 4: and how long this novelty lasts. Like, you know, at
Speaker 4: some point, people are just gonna forget about pay per view, right,
Speaker 4: like the if there are no more pay per views,
Speaker 4: you just kind of you let that flow by or
Speaker 4: you get past it.
Speaker 3: But I'm not sure like that. I made the.
Speaker 4: Point in a column when they when they announced this
Speaker 4: thing that I was like, you know, it's great to
Speaker 4: get past the pay per view model because nobody has
Speaker 4: to paper, But there is something about the rallying around
Speaker 4: and the reverence of a pay per view card that
Speaker 4: everybody would come to those this These are the ones
Speaker 4: that were meant to be meaningful, even the people who
Speaker 4: are just players on the mid card, where the guys
Speaker 4: that you're like, okay, but they're on this pay per view,
Speaker 4: there was some kind of significance attached to even being
Speaker 4: part of that, right, or at least there had been traditionally.
Speaker 3: Does all that go away? That's these are the things
Speaker 3: that I'm like, what happens with that?
Speaker 4: And you know, we were talking just a little bit
Speaker 4: about like, you know, is there is it waning as
Speaker 4: interest waning?
Speaker 3: And you were kind of.
Speaker 4: Saying, well, I'm not sure if it might be a
Speaker 4: little bit, But part of that is the passion, right,
Speaker 4: like the passion that the fans used to have. The
Speaker 4: the hardcorees were so into it that they could almost
Speaker 4: count on a baseline number for those pay per views.
Speaker 4: So much of that has eroded over time, and I'm
Speaker 4: not sure how all that's going to translate. Will it
Speaker 4: still will these will these numbered cards still have that
Speaker 4: kind of passion attached to them, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So much to be seen on this, So I think
Speaker 4: it's kind of fascinating from from our seat, as you know,
Speaker 4: journalists to pay attention to.
Speaker 2: My view on this is and this is just a hunch,
Speaker 2: so take her for what it is worth. My view
Speaker 2: on this question of like the removal of the paywall,
Speaker 2: I mean, they're still a paywall, but you know the
Speaker 2: pay per view paywall is that it will make a
Speaker 2: huge difference if they can marry it with both getting
Speaker 2: a little lucky with how these main events go, and
Speaker 2: of course that's partly engineering, but part of matchmaking is
Speaker 2: just luck. How does a fight turn out? Right? Also,
Speaker 2: also in terms of like they just have to make
Speaker 2: sure that with this paramount turn, they're not just delivering
Speaker 2: on fights that can deliver action. But there's an argument
Speaker 2: about whether or not the UFC is still in the
Speaker 2: interest of creating stars, and I do think that they
Speaker 2: There might be some limit to that now, but I
Speaker 2: think they will rather have people more popular than not,
Speaker 2: and it does more business for them when they are plus,
Speaker 2: I don't buy that they don't have enough control exercise
Speaker 2: that they're worried about some kind of peasant uprising. But
Speaker 2: the point I'm trying to make is I don't think
Speaker 2: by itself taking away pay per view just launches it forward.
Speaker 2: I think it can make a huge difference if coupled
Speaker 2: with getting a little lucky on the back end of
Speaker 2: how the fights go, but on the front end, really
Speaker 2: engineering the fights that people want to pay money to see,
Speaker 2: creating some new stars, really building around what the platform
Speaker 2: can offer. I think in conjunction, it all gets turbo charged.
Speaker 2: I just don't think by itself, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it just unlocks all these new doors that all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, now everyone's just going to be fans. I'm
Speaker 2: less convinced of that theory.
Speaker 4: You know, well, they also might want to nudge Dana
Speaker 4: White a little bit, get him interested in its own
Speaker 4: product again. And if they could do that, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe they got a chest.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It was kind of funny over time during that media
Speaker 2: blitz he was doing, I was thinking about this yesterday,
Speaker 2: like you know. And it's also paired with the UFC
Speaker 2: Seattle announcement where he was like Muehler Euler, Yeah, little
Speaker 2: ben Stein there, and over time he got a little
Speaker 2: bit better with it. And I'm also gonna say this,
Speaker 2: he did so many of them that it almost had like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was he saying a whole lot each one, maybe
Speaker 2: not necessarily, but like the like the weight of them
Speaker 2: in total. I think it helped that event was a success,
Speaker 2: and there's really no other way to say it. All right,
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Speaker 2: us now to UFC three twenty five this is an
Speaker 2: interesting one. At least it has the potential to be
Speaker 2: an interesting one. So in the main event, we have
Speaker 2: a rematch between reigning UFC Featherweight Champion Alexander Volkonowski and
Speaker 2: he takes on Diego Lopez, who he fought in his
Speaker 2: last contest to a pretty wide unanimous decision. Of course,
Speaker 2: that was at UFC three fourteen in April of last year,
Speaker 2: and as I mentioned, volk Wan a pretty wide victory. Now,
Speaker 2: there's a bit of consternation about this matchmaking. Should it
Speaker 2: have been made, should it not have been made? We've
Speaker 2: talked a lot about about that on this show. But
Speaker 2: let's for a moment give it the benefit of the doubt,
Speaker 2: just for the sake of argument. What are some realistic
Speaker 2: scenarios in which the pre fight concerns about this matchmaking
Speaker 2: would disappear, would fall away. What has to happen in
Speaker 2: this fight for people to say, you know what, it
Speaker 2: actually worked out great?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: I think that the first thing is, do you remember
Speaker 4: the kind of the context as we went into that
Speaker 4: fight the last time? Like, so, Diego got the fight
Speaker 4: and uh, I think a lot of people viewed him
Speaker 4: as one of the heavier punchers in the division, if
Speaker 4: not one of the best, you know. I remember Dany
Speaker 4: Gay right was after he'd fought Diego. He's like, dude,
Speaker 4: this guy throws with full power on every shot he delivers,
Speaker 4: and you feel everything Volkanovsky had coming off of a
Speaker 4: couple of knockouts, and it was almost like you were like,
Speaker 4: can he survive? I remember that I thought there might
Speaker 4: be a little bit of an onslaught from Diego Sanchez,
Speaker 4: Diego Sanchez, Diego Lopez early in that fight, and it
Speaker 4: may not get out of the first round, that Vulk
Speaker 4: may be susceptible to that. What happened instead was we
Speaker 4: got this. If it wasn't a masterclass, it was certainly
Speaker 4: like a return to some kind of vintage form of Volkanovsky.
Speaker 4: And I think that when he was just kind of
Speaker 4: piecing him up, landing on the counters, just you know,
Speaker 4: thwarting anything that Diego was kind of coming at him,
Speaker 4: and then actually making Diego a little bit, you know,
Speaker 4: afraid to pull the trigger. You could see it all
Speaker 4: unfolding in the first round. It lost a lot of steam.
Speaker 4: It picked it up a couple of times in that
Speaker 4: fight when there were moments for Diego later in the fight,
Speaker 4: just a couple of there was a couple of big
Speaker 4: moments where it looked like Vulk was could be in trouble,
Speaker 4: but the pattern of that fight was kind of set,
Speaker 4: and I think that anybody who kind of went into
Speaker 4: that auxiliary of what we're going to go into the
Speaker 4: Diego Lopez era, this is gonna be his moment kind
Speaker 4: of like walked away from that like, wow, that was
Speaker 4: anti climatic. He didn't really look like the guy we
Speaker 4: thought he would, right. I think for this fight to deliver,
Speaker 4: there needs to be a different tempo set in that
Speaker 4: first round. I think Diego's got to be more you know,
Speaker 4: deliberate with what he's doing. If he comes out there
Speaker 4: and you know he gets in, you know he's able
Speaker 4: to kind of land and it looks different like he's
Speaker 4: he's he just looks like he's more prepared. Maybe he
Speaker 4: was a little bit bothered by that big of a spotlight,
Speaker 4: but if he just goes in there and he's able
Speaker 4: to do that to Vulc early knowing Volks, you know,
Speaker 4: you've talked about this a lot, just knowing Volk's ability
Speaker 4: to adapt and all that stuff, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: make in fight adjustments.
Speaker 3: I think that would look more exciting. That's just my
Speaker 3: view it.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm a little bit too die hard on this,
Speaker 4: but I feel like if Diego goes in there and
Speaker 4: actually looks like the aggressive guy that he's been advertised as,
Speaker 4: I think we'd have a different fight.
Speaker 2: There's a weird thing I've noticed with this belt, which
Speaker 2: is people are complaining. And again I'm not even saying
Speaker 2: the fact I agree. I just want to say I
Speaker 2: agree if people are complaining, like this is not the
Speaker 2: fight that should have happened. To what extent do you
Speaker 2: think the paramount focus here? Especially again, this is only
Speaker 2: the second ever event, one week later from their very
Speaker 2: first event, where if you look at the other choices
Speaker 2: that Bulk had to fight here, Laren Murphy would have
Speaker 2: been a perfectly fine fight, but I don't know what
Speaker 2: kind of action it would have delivered. Conversely, with Mozar,
Speaker 2: I think that concern. You know, again, maybe a deserving contender,
Speaker 2: but what kind of fight does it deliver? The Diego
Speaker 2: fight you would think. Again, I'm not saying the first
Speaker 2: one was a barn burner, but it certainly wasn't bad,
Speaker 2: and the capacity for Diego to do violence is always
Speaker 2: pretty high. Do you think that factor in here, the
Speaker 2: ability to engineer action for a audience that might be
Speaker 2: somewhat new and or more casual than normal watching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because and also Diego reminded everybody right like he
Speaker 4: comes back, he blows up Jean Silva at that Mexican
Speaker 4: Independence card in San Antonio, like he showed everybody again
Speaker 4: like this is why you want a guy like that
Speaker 4: near the top, right, And the fact that he was
Speaker 4: headhunting that whole fight, like you broke this down right,
Speaker 4: like you've done like a full analysis of this fight,
Speaker 4: because it was.
Speaker 2: Like three quarter I didn't finish the whole thing, all right, but.
Speaker 4: See he kind of you know, even in the even
Speaker 4: in the last round, like you know, as the fight
Speaker 4: went on in the championship rounds, it was just like
Speaker 4: he was still looking to land that shot that was
Speaker 4: going to equalize the whole thing, which is there is
Speaker 4: there is something to say about that kind of excitement,
Speaker 4: you know. And even there's a fourth round exchange where
Speaker 4: he hurt Volkanowski and Volkanowski was reduced to just like
Speaker 4: you know, dropping changing levels, trying to go for singing,
Speaker 4: like looking for the takedown because he was trying to recover.
Speaker 4: I think that that kind of thing is going to translate.
Speaker 4: Like you mentioned, you know, if you give to most
Speaker 4: are who I think is fully deserving. But you know
Speaker 4: that guy has only went to decisions and all of
Speaker 4: his UFC fights to this point, he's won them all.
Speaker 4: But do you really want to usher in an era
Speaker 4: where you have Mozar all of a sudden as you're
Speaker 4: champion after five rounds and you know everybody's asleep by
Speaker 4: the end of it. And it's unfair to say, but
Speaker 4: that's kind of the way his fights in some of
Speaker 4: his fights have gone, and and larn was obviously like
Speaker 4: he had a big knockout last time. But I think
Speaker 4: for the bang for your buck, if you think about
Speaker 4: it from the engineering standpoint, you're mentioning, Diego just has
Speaker 4: that head, he has the look, he has the head
Speaker 4: hunting quality.
Speaker 3: You know, the B role is gonna look very nice
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 4: And you could actually point out, even from that first
Speaker 4: fight the offense that he did have, Like right, you
Speaker 4: could just zero in on that and you have kind
Speaker 4: of instant drama as to how it might play out.
Speaker 4: So I think that he was kind of obvious. You know,
Speaker 4: he's an obvious guy from the UFC's perspective to jump
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting to me about this fight
Speaker 2: is this is how do I say this exactly? This
Speaker 2: is to me. The way in which this has the
Speaker 2: capacity to be interesting to me is if it answers
Speaker 2: one or both questions. So one, we kind of already
Speaker 2: know that Vulcan is chinny. In fact, as you indicated,
Speaker 2: he got dropped in that fight, it was not a
Speaker 2: huge punch that dropped him, nor was he like terribly rocked.
Speaker 2: I think it also just kind of knocked him off
Speaker 2: balance a little bit, but it did drop him. And
Speaker 2: I think he's always been a little bit chinny, but
Speaker 2: his recoverability is quite great. To what extent does that
Speaker 2: get tested or show itself to be even more compromised
Speaker 2: this time? That could be kind of interesting. If he
Speaker 2: wins four rounds then gets beamed in the fifth, and
Speaker 2: here's Diego winning, and it's like, you know, you can
Speaker 2: only say it's because father time got to him, right,
Speaker 2: because otherwise this would not have been a fight ending
Speaker 2: scenario previously. Conversely, though, and this is the big one
Speaker 2: for me, dude, if you watch that first fight. I
Speaker 2: did a substack watch along with it, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to pull my hair out watching this fight.
Speaker 3: Diego Lopez, I'll do that, then you're gonna be the
Speaker 3: second man.
Speaker 2: You don't want that, Yeah, Diego Lopez didn't cage cut
Speaker 2: in this fight at all. And I don't know to
Speaker 2: what extent people know fully what that means or understand
Speaker 2: the importance of it. But it's really basic idea. All right,
Speaker 2: if you have here's here's me, and here's me and
Speaker 2: my opponent. Right, if this is the octagon behind them,
Speaker 2: octagon behind me, If they move, I don't just follow
Speaker 2: them wherever they go. When they move, I cut them
Speaker 2: off laterally, right, I cut them off laterally. And it's
Speaker 2: insane to me that you have a guy like Vulk
Speaker 2: who uses motion and movement both to set up strikes
Speaker 2: as well as to turn his opponent to escape when
Speaker 2: he wants to, to set up his jab, to set
Speaker 2: up his step up leg kick, all the things he
Speaker 2: likes to do. It's all predicated on motion. And the
Speaker 2: times in which Diego had better luck with some exception
Speaker 2: was when he backed up Volkanowski and then when he
Speaker 2: narrowed his space and he almost did it by accident
Speaker 2: rather than genuine understanding. And it's a whole team issue,
Speaker 2: that whole team he comes from. These people don't do it.
Speaker 2: I actually was speaking to some MMA coaches about this
Speaker 2: in preparation for today's show, Chuck, and they none of
Speaker 2: them knew what the answer was, like why these fuckers
Speaker 2: don't cage kut? Like why how is that possible? And
Speaker 2: their answer was they think that they may not necessarily
Speaker 2: train in a cage, because if you trained in a cage,
Speaker 2: you have to be kind of mindful of how the
Speaker 2: space is distributed. But if you're just on an open mat,
Speaker 2: people are just kind of moving and circling and orbiting
Speaker 2: around each other without necessarily a ton of consideration given
Speaker 2: to how that should be localized. If you take away
Speaker 2: Volks movement, a guy whose game is predicated on movement,
Speaker 2: then you go from, in my view, having a puncher's
Speaker 2: chance to a genuine chance. Right. I'm still my favorite
Speaker 2: no matter what, because he's got so many tools, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But if he doesn't cage cut
Speaker 2: and we're three rounds into this, I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna pull out a revolver and shoot my motherfucking screen
Speaker 4: because you'd just be watching a version of the same
Speaker 4: fight right and then and then and then the drama
Speaker 4: is completely out of it off with this. To me,
Speaker 4: a worst case scenario is like, it's basically just the
Speaker 4: first fight redone again because one guy refused to learn
Speaker 4: a foundational lesson. Of the people who don't understand this,
Speaker 4: it's not just Evolk uses all that movement. It's that
Speaker 4: a lot of times when he gets into trouble he's
Speaker 4: able to just walk and reclaim center position in the octagon.
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, you cannot surrender territory like that to
Speaker 4: a fighter this good.
Speaker 2: I don't care how senior he is. It's it's suicide.
Speaker 2: It's suicide. So I gotta tell you. If he starts
Speaker 2: to cage cut Chuck, I'm like, okay, now we're in business.
Speaker 3: This is much more cut.
Speaker 2: But if he doesn't, he doesn't, I'm gonna fly to
Speaker 2: wherever he is and be like, what the fuck doud.
Speaker 4: And if you watch like the first Like in the
Speaker 4: first fight, do you remember part of the commentary they
Speaker 4: go to the corners in the first round and they
Speaker 4: kind of hear the instruction. Do you remember the criticism
Speaker 4: coming out of that was that they're like, hey man,
Speaker 4: you know you gotta be more gross get after him
Speaker 4: like break, you know, without any technical advice whatsoever.
Speaker 3: To Diego. They were just kind of telling him, like,
Speaker 3: do better, man, do better. You remember this.
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan was kind of he was like, dude, tell
Speaker 4: him how to do it. Like you're not telling him
Speaker 4: how to do it. It will be it will be
Speaker 4: hugely disappointing if he shows up and you feel like
Speaker 4: he didn't learn anything, because I can guarantee you Volkanovsky
Speaker 4: who sometimes does it in fight, like you see him
Speaker 4: doing things where he's like, you know what, off the
Speaker 4: off these brakes that left that left hand can land
Speaker 4: pretty like you was doing both counters, like you could
Speaker 4: see him doing that in real time. You know, he's
Speaker 4: coming back with his adjustments and he's gonna kind of
Speaker 4: be prepared probably for even what you're talking about, Like
Speaker 4: he'll be prepared for a better version of Diego. But
Speaker 4: if Diego shows up the same man, he's gonna get worked.
Speaker 2: Just think about it this way. Imagine I realized that
Speaker 2: the first Volkanovski fight is not like the first or
Speaker 2: the first vocal Lopez is not like Patty Gaichi and
Speaker 2: says that, you know, the scores are pretty similar, but
Speaker 2: Patty took much more of a beating, right, Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: but imagine somebody went to you and said, okay, Patty's
Speaker 2: got nine months to get a rematch in. You know,
Speaker 2: you're not saying he couldn't do a few things differently,
Speaker 2: but he showed Geichie a lot of what he can
Speaker 2: do and was just left wanting this is a case
Speaker 2: where there's a wide open fix available now. How much
Speaker 2: he can take advantage of it is certainly remains to
Speaker 2: be seen. But it's not one of those things where
Speaker 2: it's like, well you kind of showed him your cards,
Speaker 2: you don't really have anything left. There is a massive
Speaker 2: gap in what he's able to fix. So to me,
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, this is like, no bullshit. This is
Speaker 2: a test of like, is Diego Lopez an idiot? And
Speaker 2: I'm being serious. I'm not saying that he is. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that he is. What I'm saying is we're
Speaker 2: gonna get a where is he? A fucking yeah, because
Speaker 2: we're about to find out that answer on Saturday night.
Speaker 4: Well, man, I mean, honestly, that's that hypes it up
Speaker 4: better than a lot of what I've seen, Like I
Speaker 4: mean to me that if that's the stakes, that's that's
Speaker 4: not bad because I think sometimes you do need to
Speaker 4: know does a fighter do they have and IQ that way,
Speaker 4: part of what you're talking about is you knew he
Speaker 4: wasn't going to adjust in that fight.
Speaker 3: You knew that he was going to keep doing what
Speaker 3: he was doing.
Speaker 4: And therefore, you know, when we talk about plan b's
Speaker 4: and stuff, there was no plan B, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like he was showing you exactly what he's
Speaker 4: going to do.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the numbers here if my if memory
Speaker 2: serves yes, in fact it does. So he tried to
Speaker 2: play Lopez tried to play like hurry up offense on Vulcan.
Speaker 2: If you notice he doesn't effectively cage cut except that
Speaker 2: he stands a little bit closer to Vulk in the
Speaker 2: fifth round. But what ends up happening is number one,
Speaker 2: he gets no tickdowns, he doesn't try for any, but
Speaker 2: like you know, there's no it didn't change the game
Speaker 2: up is what I'm pointing out. And also he landed
Speaker 2: fewer than he did in rounds four and in rounds
Speaker 2: two of the other rounds he only landed single digits.
Speaker 2: So the other ones where he landed double digits, this
Speaker 2: was the few the fewest amount of them, and vulk
Speaker 2: landed the most on him of any round in the fifth.
Speaker 2: So like, in other words, without effectively cage cutting, just
Speaker 2: kind of standing up on top of a guy, he
Speaker 2: got lit on fire for it is this is what
Speaker 2: I mean, man, Like, I want to see what you're
Speaker 2: made of, because of course he can beat good guys
Speaker 2: no matter what. Right, he's dangerous, you know, yeah, but
Speaker 2: against the guy who can think.
Speaker 3: That's what it is?
Speaker 4: You're right, And you know what's so funny, man, I
Speaker 4: pointed this out to you before, like before this fight.
Speaker 3: That fight happened in April. I had talked to.
Speaker 4: Diego Lopez for a feature the December, so December of
Speaker 4: twenty four. This is back when they were still deciding
Speaker 4: if you'd fight a yeah year or if you would
Speaker 4: end up getting Volkanovsky. And I can remember, man, he
Speaker 4: was like, I want Vulkanov. His his whole team where
Speaker 4: they were like, we want Volkanovsky. They felt so confident
Speaker 4: that they were just going to be able to go
Speaker 4: through Volkanovsky and that would USh you know, obviously you're
Speaker 4: gonna have a title, and that would be that.
Speaker 3: It didn't work.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that they're still like if you
Speaker 4: from what I've caught, I still feel like they have
Speaker 4: the same mindset that way, like, hey, the first time
Speaker 4: was a little bit of an anomaly or whatever it's going
Speaker 4: to be, but it'll be different the second time. The
Speaker 4: second time is going to be what we originally imagined.
Speaker 4: And uh, I think you're right, man. It really does
Speaker 4: come down to is he going to do the things
Speaker 4: that will be winning you know, winning formula against Volkanovsky
Speaker 4: because it's very difficult if you look at the Holloways
Speaker 4: like series and you've probably broken this one down too,
Speaker 4: because I know that you've studied Max a lot, like
Speaker 4: in terms of what he's able to do, but how
Speaker 4: Vulk was able to beat him down the stretch, like
Speaker 4: as the fight you know, more fights and more you know,
Speaker 4: more knowledge of what he's doing. That was what was remarkable, right,
Speaker 4: Like It's just that you're like, dude, this guy's always
Speaker 4: got something. He's he's such a thinking man that he's
Speaker 4: always going to figure out where where his openings are.
Speaker 4: It's like watching a quarterback sacked a defense. He knows
Speaker 4: what you're bringing. He's gonna exploit this. He can explit this,
Speaker 4: and once you try to cover that, he's gonna exploit this.
Speaker 4: That's how he fights. So if if Diego just shows
Speaker 4: up kind of like thinking, well he is chinny and
Speaker 4: I know why I can catch him this time, that's
Speaker 4: just I'm not sure that's the wisest move for him.
Speaker 2: It's just puncher's chance. That's glorified punches.
Speaker 3: That's how he I mean, that's what it looked like.
Speaker 4: He looked like he was like, as soon as I
Speaker 4: land the shot, that's what I need to do, and
Speaker 4: that's how I win.
Speaker 3: Right, Like he was just headhunting.
Speaker 2: Uh, if Vulk loses stoppage or otherwise, let's ask this, Okay,
Speaker 2: in the event that Vulk loses, does he retire? Is
Speaker 2: there an automatic trilogy? Walk me through what happens?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So, like if he got smoked in the first round,
Speaker 4: like in a way that you're like, oh god, that
Speaker 4: was hard to watch.
Speaker 3: It'd be tough, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4: Like I just feel like it'd be tough for Volkanowski
Speaker 4: because you'd be like, he's probably not going to be
Speaker 4: in mine for a trilogy because I don't think people
Speaker 4: would want to necessarily see it. I don't think the
Speaker 4: UFC would want to put it together. And at that point,
Speaker 4: I'd be like, man, what is left for volkanovs? Get
Speaker 4: this point? A guy who went thirteen know in that
Speaker 4: division to start his career beat a who's who, Like
Speaker 4: I mean, his legacy is so if I would he
Speaker 4: have like four or five title defenses he went up,
Speaker 4: he had that great fight against Islam, the first one
Speaker 4: and obviously the second one did not go anywhere near
Speaker 4: his way. I just think that what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: You know what, what are you gonna do? The fights
Speaker 4: you're going to get at that point, you're gonna be
Speaker 4: back behind the eight pill. You're probably gonna have to
Speaker 4: get through somebody to even get a title shot. And
Speaker 4: at that point, what are he thirty eight? You know
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like you're gonna be very late in
Speaker 4: your thirties. And I don't see why he would continue.
Speaker 4: Now if it's a fight where it's back and forth,
Speaker 4: maybe controversial scorecards, whatever, it is like just a good
Speaker 4: a good fight. I felt like then the trilogy, like
Speaker 4: if he loses on the scorecards, you'd probably have to do.
Speaker 4: He's earned that, right, like the kind of like you know,
Speaker 4: status as a as a as a featherwaight go to
Speaker 4: kind of get that right, Like I feel like you'd
Speaker 4: have to give it to him.
Speaker 2: Then, yes, I fully agree with that. I think your
Speaker 2: diagnosis is correct. You saw the way and the excuse
Speaker 2: be the well the face off from the way in.
Speaker 2: There's also a pick of a Vulcan in an apron
Speaker 2: he was he was a chef chopping the block or
Speaker 2: like I got a sense of humor that he's got
Speaker 2: the cw was that cooking with Cooking with Vulcan Championship
Speaker 2: the cmvv WV excuse me, my glasses don't work as
Speaker 2: well as they need to c WV cooking with Vulcan.
Speaker 2: He's got good spirits. You know, this is an interesting fight.
Speaker 2: If this is an interesting fight, if Diego finds a
Speaker 2: way to make it interesting. But the Max comparison I
Speaker 2: think is really interesting, right because first fight was close,
Speaker 2: second fight started out with Max on a heater, and
Speaker 2: then Vulcan rallied back, and then in the third one,
Speaker 2: Vulk just ran away with it. You know what. I
Speaker 2: so like over time there's a sense of even with
Speaker 2: guys who have good ideas, he gets better over time too.
Speaker 4: He's not shutting that cage we need. I hope there's
Speaker 4: a I hope we have live footage if you watching that,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: So so I'm gonna do a watch along, just not
Speaker 2: for the whole card, but just for that fight. And
Speaker 2: if he does a cage cut, I'm telling you, I'm
Speaker 2: pulling out two fucking glock nineteens and I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: be like Deadpool, just shooting that fucking whole setup, furious
Speaker 2: that I wasted my life watching it. But I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not predicting' not paying for and I'm hopeful that
Speaker 2: Diego proved, you know, proves.
Speaker 3: That he's got uc UFC once.
Speaker 4: Like right, their druthers would be that you get do
Speaker 4: because obviously, like if you are making a mostar fight
Speaker 4: at some point at least there's a backstory there, at
Speaker 4: least you can play on something and like you've got
Speaker 4: some you know, better options for him.
Speaker 2: Also not for nothing, but they've got one female Brazilian
Speaker 2: champion and Mackenzie Dern, and they've got one male champion
Speaker 2: in Poloton and that's it. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: they're trying to engineer an artificially high number of Brazilian champions,
Speaker 2: but I am saying it's obviously an important market to them.
Speaker 2: So you know, putting a Brazilian in there and as
Speaker 2: opposed to a Russian.
Speaker 3: Or is he Mexican now, I mean like he's well.
Speaker 4: That's the that's the best part you can kind of
Speaker 4: least to the Mexican audience and.
Speaker 3: They want you know, that's true.
Speaker 2: Man. Let's talk about the rest of that main car
Speaker 2: here in topic number three, and you know what, I
Speaker 2: was discussing this with Long Island Luke. The top three
Speaker 2: fights on this card are great, So let's start with
Speaker 2: the other two ones in addition to the main event
Speaker 2: that make this great, because after that there is a
Speaker 2: bit of a drop off. I just think it's fair
Speaker 2: to say that. So let's start with that Cole Maine event.
Speaker 2: If we can't hear Chuck, Dan Hooker and Ben to
Speaker 2: Wat Saint Deny they square off in As we mentioned,
Speaker 2: this will be the the comin event on the UFC
Speaker 2: three twenty five card. Would the winner here be a
Speaker 2: number one contender, a BMF number one contender or neither
Speaker 2: or potentially even both.
Speaker 4: What happens here, Wow, the BMF would be more realistic
Speaker 4: to me, right, even though like I feel like the
Speaker 4: BMF is like for old school guys who've been around
Speaker 4: for a while. But Dan Hooker, it's crazy, man, because
Speaker 4: the dude's Dan Hooker, I know exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 4: For some reason, when I think of Dan hook I
Speaker 4: always think of him like, ah, he's been around since
Speaker 4: like in the UF seasons twenty eighteen, something like that,
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen man, like he's he's been around for a while.
Speaker 4: I don't maybe he doesn't have the same you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like kind of reputation as a Donald CERRONI,
Speaker 4: although he's got to be closer now than he ever
Speaker 4: has or like justin Gaegee, But the dude is kind
Speaker 4: of proving it over the course of time when you
Speaker 4: look at who he's fought, you know, just his willingness
Speaker 4: to fight. And obviously he's returning even on short notice
Speaker 4: after being subbed out in his last swing his arm
Speaker 4: on unfairly short notes this three or four months, like
Speaker 4: he's jumping right back in there to fight another beast.
Speaker 4: Within that division, So I feel like, you know, he
Speaker 4: would warrant that sort of thing, and then it would
Speaker 4: be like, and there's been one like does he kind
Speaker 4: of fit that BMF thing too? I mean, he's certainly
Speaker 4: got like that, that kind of style, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like that kind of attitude.
Speaker 3: So I think it would be more in play for that.
Speaker 4: I just think that the recent slip ups, even though
Speaker 4: I think San Deni has kind of proven that he's back,
Speaker 4: especially that last fight where it was like, what was
Speaker 4: his sixteen seconds that he went through? Uh, Darius, Like,
Speaker 4: he's kind of proven to me that he's back and
Speaker 4: that those losses he suffered earlier were maybe more anomalies
Speaker 4: than you know, than we when we were saying at
Speaker 4: the time. I still think that that dude has a
Speaker 4: chance to be a champion in the division.
Speaker 2: The Patty equation here is interesting to me because let's
Speaker 2: think about it, right, So let's say Ben was Saint
Speaker 2: Denie wins.
Speaker 3: That's a great point too. Yes, yes, they could him
Speaker 3: well do that. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like Patty's thirty one something like that, thirty one,
Speaker 2: so he still got some time left. But I don't
Speaker 2: know what part of the problem for me in that
Speaker 2: fight with Geigee was like he showed him all he
Speaker 2: had and it was like, well, yeah, came up short anyway,
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not not enough, not enough to buy this
Speaker 2: ice cream today, you know what I mean? At the corner,
Speaker 2: t end So what do you do with him? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you do you give him the loser of the
Speaker 2: BMF match? Do you give him the loser of this match?
Speaker 2: Do you give him the winner of this match? Because
Speaker 2: you can imagine BSD versus Patty that's a more competitive
Speaker 2: and interesting, interesting five by virtue of how what would
Speaker 2: happen on the ground, you might imagine. But do you
Speaker 2: want to put him in that scenario or do you
Speaker 2: try to rebuild Patty based off of If Dan Hooker
Speaker 2: loses this one, there's obviously the fight you can easily
Speaker 2: make and then you send BSD onto either the number
Speaker 2: one contender for BMF or the bare minimum that you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you make star Yuki and fight him or something
Speaker 2: like that. Does that sound like a plausible scenario to you?
Speaker 4: I think if pat like it's a great point with
Speaker 4: Patty pimblet Like, I think, if if Patty, if you
Speaker 4: can make Patty Pimblet against Hooker. I think you'd do
Speaker 4: it because one, I do think that the UFC likes
Speaker 4: Patty enough where they're like they would want to rebuild him.
Speaker 4: I don't think you'd want to throw them in there
Speaker 4: and just be like, here this is You're going to
Speaker 4: be an underdog in this fight, and this could be
Speaker 4: a you know, basically it for you in terms of contendership.
Speaker 4: I think that you throw them in against Hooker and
Speaker 4: you know, he should win that fight, right, like, like
Speaker 4: on paper, he should win that fight.
Speaker 3: That's a good fight, and they have the bad Blood.
Speaker 4: I just think that you got, like the way that
Speaker 4: Paramount plus, like you're saying about engineering, I feel like
Speaker 4: maybe that would make more sense for them, especially if
Speaker 4: they're I haven't really talked to this, but doesn't it
Speaker 4: seem like they're going for more of a cinematic feel anyway,
Speaker 4: Like the bad Blood may translate way different than Paramount
Speaker 4: plus era than it did for ESPN Plus because now
Speaker 4: you're talking about a streaming service that actually incorporates dramas
Speaker 4: and shit into their product. You see, like what's his name?
Speaker 4: The ghost space walking back behind uh, you know whatever
Speaker 4: the you know for the Scream seven or whatever the
Speaker 4: hell it was, like they had the guy they hadn't
Speaker 4: walk in like through the thing. I'm like, they may
Speaker 4: be incorporating that sort of thing. It's a bit of
Speaker 4: a tangent. But dude, there might be like more of
Speaker 4: a bad blood may mean more, like the drama of
Speaker 4: the fights may mean more to this era than they
Speaker 4: did previously.
Speaker 2: I would imagine they would want to get on board
Speaker 2: with that in terms of the upside here for me,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the fight itself. Can I just tell
Speaker 2: you one of the problems I have with it. It's
Speaker 2: that Hooker just went up against a kind of guy
Speaker 2: who's gonna try and wrestle and submit him. Which fine, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't That's not a reason to not do it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it doesn't make it like a fresh
Speaker 2: challenge in that way. I know it's the first time
Speaker 2: he's faced in this particular opponent. But what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is, dude, that that guitar fight was not
Speaker 2: that long ago, and Hooker got fucked up in that fight.
Speaker 2: It's like, I've interviewed Hooker before. Do you remember after
Speaker 2: Do you remember when Hooker fought Edson Barboza. It was
Speaker 2: on Fox, I believe, and Cormier was commentating that fight.
Speaker 2: And Cormier was on the broadcast begging, screaming at the referee,
Speaker 2: not screaming, but yelling right for the fight to be stopped.
Speaker 3: I interviewed.
Speaker 2: I interviewed Hooker after that, and I was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: aren't you concerned about like the amount of damage? He's
Speaker 2: like no.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, what? And his answer was well, because I distributed
Speaker 2: it head to toe, so I don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about too much concentration of damage in any one kind
Speaker 2: of place. And I'm like, I don't think that's how
Speaker 2: that works, bro, I don't.
Speaker 4: That's not That sounds like all these philosophy on the ropes.
Speaker 4: You know, he's trying to like send us absorb the shots.
Speaker 2: It's like, you're gonna get fucked up doing this. So
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the thing. So here he is
Speaker 2: returning relatively quickly against an opponent who has a pretty
Speaker 2: good chance of doing this same kind of thing. I
Speaker 2: like the matchmaking as such, like Dan Hooker versus BSD,
Speaker 2: but the particular realities that they're bringing at this moment
Speaker 2: I'm a little concerned for Dan Hooker, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 4: Well, same here. I mean when they made the fight,
Speaker 4: and sometimes you just look at the momentum of fighters
Speaker 4: and again, but I did this with Dustin Pourrie back
Speaker 4: in the day when he was fighting Santai and I
Speaker 4: was thinking, dude, they're just kicking the ice flow, aren't
Speaker 4: They're putting them on it, and they're like, so long,
Speaker 4: doesn't It's been a good career and obviously he was
Speaker 4: able to kind of turn things. I don't think that
Speaker 4: Hooker is going to be able to do that, man,
Speaker 4: you know, I just I don't think that that's happening.
Speaker 3: You know what's weird.
Speaker 4: The craziest thing about him, though, is that he's he's
Speaker 4: kind of he'll surprise you a little bit sometimes, right
Speaker 4: Like I thought when Hooker fought Gamra that that was
Speaker 4: a for sure that was gonna be Gamrock's fight, and
Speaker 4: even though it's super close, Hooker pulls it out and
Speaker 4: then he kind of revives his career. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: like he's got like he's he's got like that spirit.
Speaker 4: He's got like enough skill where he can put it
Speaker 4: all together and do something. He can shock some people.
Speaker 4: But I just think that Sandini, having already had the losses,
Speaker 4: especially that might Connell one where you're like, dude, that
Speaker 4: was that was uncalled for it. I feel like he
Speaker 4: had to dig a little deeper and kind of get
Speaker 4: rid of his ego again and kind of and recenter.
Speaker 4: And the guy I've seen since then looks like the
Speaker 4: marauder we thought he was going to be the whole way.
Speaker 3: So I think this is just a bad setup for Hooker.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I think he's catching a guy at the exact wrong time.
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right, and the winner of this,
Speaker 2: if it's BSD, he wins via stoppage for me, the
Speaker 2: winner against You'll put him in a BMF fight if
Speaker 2: you want. I mean, I don't know what the UFC
Speaker 2: has a vision for that or when that might be,
Speaker 2: but that's absolutely a fight you could do. And then
Speaker 2: you just send Hooker to fight Patty, and then you
Speaker 2: know that, really, do you like this BMF belt?
Speaker 3: Now? Weren't you, like go one of the early guys
Speaker 3: whos like get rid of that shit?
Speaker 2: Well, here's I mean, here's the thing. Here's why I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm at peace with the BMF belt, at
Speaker 2: least for right now. Number one, the person who wears
Speaker 2: it gets more money. Yeah, automatically. I like that true. Secondly,
Speaker 2: the belt will have as much legitimacy as the person
Speaker 2: who wears it and what they did to get it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't on its own carry, but it has some
Speaker 2: right Yeah. And dude, the way in which Max beat
Speaker 2: gaatech you to do it, and what he represents at
Speaker 2: this stage of his career and now he's going up
Speaker 2: against another war horse in Charles. Does it need a belt?
Speaker 2: It doesn't need a belt. It doesn't necessarily mean anything
Speaker 2: in that sense. But I value it a little bit
Speaker 2: by virtue of who occupies the office, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Longa Lucas being a fucking hate bring him in quick.
Speaker 2: Why are you racist towards Hawaiians?
Speaker 3: Not at all? I just said the BMF belt is whack.
Speaker 3: What you can just put on fun fights.
Speaker 5: I'm all for the fighters being paid more and stuff,
Speaker 5: so good for them that the belt is on the
Speaker 5: line and they get more.
Speaker 3: I'm not like hating on that.
Speaker 2: But what if they change the rules in BMF fights
Speaker 2: like ten minute first rounds and shit like that?
Speaker 3: Probably, dude, stupid to me?
Speaker 5: Why not make it's like boxing at this point, where
Speaker 5: were like Jake Paul that had a belt at one
Speaker 5: point that was like these super fight belt or some
Speaker 5: stupid shit like I just get rid of not here
Speaker 5: for it.
Speaker 2: Sorry out he's he's a little racist against Hawaiian.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 2: Again, the belt doesn't serve a purpose other than for
Speaker 2: marketing material, but I do think that it carries a
Speaker 2: little bit more gravitask given who currently occupies the office.
Speaker 4: The last couple especially too, I feel like if they
Speaker 4: didn't get those fights like that last one especially, I mean,
Speaker 4: if you don't get that fight, maybe it seems stupid,
Speaker 4: but that actually felt like something was on the line
Speaker 4: and that just happened to be the accessory.
Speaker 2: Max won the belt with arguably the greatest knockout in
Speaker 2: US history. I agree, man, something to be said for that. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 2: another great fight on this card, if I do say
Speaker 2: so myself. Rafaelf is Eve although we had Jed Michue
Speaker 2: calling him Halfayel because he's a fucking idiot, but he
Speaker 2: is still not aged out from another title push. He
Speaker 2: is still kind of eligible. Here they are facing off.
Speaker 2: He's Glibe against Mauricio Hoofi. Now This is an interesting
Speaker 2: one for me, right, Chuck, because Fazeve came up zero
Speaker 2: for two against Gegee, but Gaygee's proving to be a
Speaker 2: little more resilient. He obviously has a fan friendly style,
Speaker 2: so does Roofi. But it looks to me like Fazev
Speaker 2: really now wants to make a push for a title.
Speaker 2: He feels like I've gotten a lot of learning done
Speaker 2: out of the way, and Hoofi leaving what appears to
Speaker 2: be the fighting Nerds to go train in Australia with
Speaker 2: Volkanovski in that whole camp. A lot of uncertainty about
Speaker 2: this one. I gotta tell you, I love this fight,
Speaker 2: but am I allowed to say that I have a
Speaker 2: little bit concern that they're gonna do to Hoofi what
Speaker 2: they did to my man who did the backflips? I
Speaker 2: forget his name. The Brasilian did the back flip? What's
Speaker 2: his name? Long Island Michelle? Michelle? Yeah, where they take
Speaker 2: a guy who's wild and exciting in order to make
Speaker 2: him good, they make him boring? What to what extent
Speaker 2: are you feeling that that could be a factor given
Speaker 2: that the space these two are entering this fight in.
Speaker 4: God, I didn't really thought that's a great comparison though,
Speaker 4: Like you're right, because when people were hearing Hoofy, they
Speaker 4: were thinking, Okay, we could get a knockout of the
Speaker 4: year candidate. That's crazy expectations to bring into a fight.
Speaker 4: That seems kind of legit because I don't know if
Speaker 4: his I don't know if he was going to be
Speaker 4: sustainable to go in there and and do what he
Speaker 4: had been doing. But I feel like there was like
Speaker 4: some trouble in the in the Fighting Nerds. I did
Speaker 4: a big piece on them last April, right before right
Speaker 4: when the things started to spiral a little bit for them,
Speaker 4: and I talked to Hoofy in Miami and he was
Speaker 4: with one of his coaches and they were already talking
Speaker 4: about like starting a gym in New Hampshire. So they
Speaker 4: were thinking about coming up to New England and kind
Speaker 4: of breaking off and doing their own thing, like a
Speaker 4: satellite of the Fighting Nerds. I have no idea where
Speaker 4: that ended up, but it didn't surprise me in the
Speaker 4: slightest for some like given that kind of information that
Speaker 4: he was elsewhere and I don't know, I'm I'm not
Speaker 4: suggesting there's like acrimony between the team or whatever, but
Speaker 4: there's I think there's been a feeling that maybe he
Speaker 4: needs to because he's super young guy still, Like, I
Speaker 4: think there's a feeling that he needs to, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: pick up other elements of the game if he wants
Speaker 4: to be sustainable and get a chance down the line.
Speaker 4: I hope though, like you're what you're mentioning at off
Speaker 4: the top, I just hope it's not. It doesn't come
Speaker 4: with a compromising his you know, excitement levels, because when
Speaker 4: you book that guy even right now, right like when
Speaker 4: they booked this fight, especially against the guy like Physibe,
Speaker 4: who like has put on some really fun fights that
Speaker 4: brad Rydell, Remember that one where he just lit him
Speaker 4: up got It was so like that's when I really
Speaker 4: paid attention that dude, because it was just so technical
Speaker 4: and clean. You make this fight and just this one
Speaker 4: stood out to me. I was like, now that's a
Speaker 4: fun fight. It felt to me like the kind of,
Speaker 4: you know, the bang for your buck type of fight
Speaker 4: for this card.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Phyzeve here for one thing, because it's
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. I'm looking at the UFC stats for Physive.
Speaker 2: PHYZIV got two takedowns on just engageing he got four
Speaker 2: takedowns on Bob Mundez, just given how bad who he
Speaker 2: was on the ground against Ben was Saint Denis. I
Speaker 2: think it's a real chance you might see if Zeve
Speaker 2: mix things up here, because Hoofi is probably still gonna
Speaker 2: be real fucking dangerous on the feet, at least in part.
Speaker 2: You would imagine if not in full and then on
Speaker 2: the ground, how much, how much? How much could he
Speaker 2: be better relative to the fight that he had against
Speaker 2: BSD Like not groundwork takes time to get better out,
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be that much better. So you may
Speaker 2: not get the knockout that you're looking for here, right.
Speaker 2: It's also a possibility you may not.
Speaker 4: But I will say that Physiv loves to play that
Speaker 4: game though a little bit like he does love to
Speaker 4: stand like he just likes to He likes to engauge
Speaker 4: man like.
Speaker 3: He like he trusts his striking.
Speaker 4: I'm like, does it get like it's always one of
Speaker 4: those things with a guy like that, you know, it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, you got to kind of convince him to
Speaker 4: do other things to be smart to win a fight.
Speaker 3: He very well could be.
Speaker 4: You know that three fights skid where he had the
Speaker 4: injury to uh, in the in the middle fight between
Speaker 4: the gaychee fights, like those type of things, you could
Speaker 4: look at them and be like, yeah, he could have
Speaker 4: easily won the gay chie fights. You know, like if
Speaker 4: he's just doing a little bit, if he's just going
Speaker 4: about thing a little bit differently, but he kind of
Speaker 4: defaults into like just mad man, you know, like kind
Speaker 4: of swinging with the guy, and that's when he gets
Speaker 4: pieced up and he always it feels like he gets
Speaker 4: hurt in those type of fights. If he does that
Speaker 4: against Hoofie, I would be like, as far as his
Speaker 4: like I'm revving up for a title shot, that would
Speaker 4: all be gone.
Speaker 3: Man, I mean, you just can't. You can't. You can't.
Speaker 4: Your default can't to be incautious, right, you can't default
Speaker 4: to incautious and expect that to survive.
Speaker 2: Also, if excuse me, Hoofy, I feel like at twenty nine,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying a loss here is like totally great,
Speaker 2: but it's forgivable in part because if he's trying to
Speaker 2: make improvements, it's going to take some time. But with
Speaker 2: Phazi thirty two and ten months at the point of
Speaker 2: this fight will be nearly thirty three. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that's over the hell either, but it's a little bit
Speaker 2: more like shit or get off the pot if a
Speaker 2: title fight is going to happen here for you. This
Speaker 2: is kind of the moment where you got around this corner,
Speaker 2: which I think the pressure's on him, Like again, it's
Speaker 2: not great of hoof he loses, but it's real bad
Speaker 2: if if PHYZIV loses, given the end that he's got
Speaker 2: the potential to.
Speaker 4: How good is that that division? You remember the time
Speaker 4: we were like we're doing a pre game. It was
Speaker 4: at the studio with PC and we talked about, dude,
Speaker 4: look at all the guys coming up at lightweight.
Speaker 3: It's like one of these remember this.
Speaker 4: It was crazy and the fact that I know the
Speaker 4: physique was one of these guys that you're like, you're
Speaker 4: watching like, man, I mean, he's just a he's a monster,
Speaker 4: you know, Like and the fact that he hasn't got
Speaker 4: a title shot like these years later, it just tells
Speaker 4: you how just how crazy that division is.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: And it was Gaechee obviously, like who kind of delivered that.
Speaker 4: It was like the old guard, But that division over
Speaker 4: the last few years has just been so good. And
Speaker 4: this this card is very like symbolic of that, because
Speaker 4: those two fights, even if you don't love that main event,
Speaker 4: if you're like, ah, the rematched, we just saw that fight.
Speaker 4: I mean those two lightweight fights, man, that you should
Speaker 4: tune in for those alone, right like that. It's just
Speaker 4: so good. Yes, I totally agree.
Speaker 2: Which brings us, of course, to tie to Ivasa, who
Speaker 2: hasn't won since Abraham Lincoln was in office, and he's
Speaker 2: fighting Talis and t Shia this weekend. The odds, by
Speaker 2: the way, currently taytou Ivasa plus two seventy, Talis and
Speaker 2: Tashera at minus three forty. Just to remind everyone, if
Speaker 2: I haven't already understand the context which Taytuyvasa enters its contest, Chuck,
Speaker 2: here is the losing streak. He lost to Gyrzenio Rosenstrike
Speaker 2: in August of twenty twenty four. Before that, Marching Taibora
Speaker 2: in March of twenty twenty four, Before that, Volkov in
Speaker 2: September of twenty twenty three, before that, Pavlovich in December
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, Before that Cyril Gone in September
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. He last won in February of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and he beat Derek Lewis. By the way,
Speaker 2: the God lost, the Pavlovitch lost, the Volkov loss, and
Speaker 2: the tay Bora loss, all via stoppage. The Rosen Strike
Speaker 2: one was a split and also Chuck Arguably the worst
Speaker 2: fight ever. Is this do or die for Taytouyvasa.
Speaker 3: I think it has to be. And I know, man,
Speaker 3: they love him.
Speaker 4: You know, he brings in the showy thing and like
Speaker 4: you go in Australia, it's just it's he's like one
Speaker 4: of those guys that you want to have on your card.
Speaker 4: He's part of the celebration. But he has just been
Speaker 4: He's been almost an anomaly. I I know that you like,
Speaker 4: this isn't a guy that you're going to like, you know,
Speaker 4: You're not gonna look at him and be like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, Like look at all these different technical things
Speaker 4: he's doing in a fight that makes him win. You're
Speaker 4: not gonna do that. But he is a streaky, streaky fighter.
Speaker 4: It almost reminds me like of a guy who's like
Speaker 4: playing you know, dice or something or like you know
Speaker 4: it craps and he's like he goes on a heater
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden. Once it goes cold,
Speaker 4: it goes completely cold because before then he had won,
Speaker 4: Like like if you look at his his Wikipedia or whatever,
Speaker 4: like it's just it's like all wins, bunch of losses,
Speaker 4: all wins, bunch of losses. He does not mix it up.
Speaker 4: It's like, so if he's able to get off to Shaneid,
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows, he might go on a five
Speaker 4: fight winning straight in that division. But I feel like
Speaker 4: at six in a row, especially like you mentioned man
Speaker 4: getting finished the way he has and not really showing
Speaker 4: a ton like maybe you maybe you can contradict me here,
Speaker 4: but he hasn't really shown a lot of like evolution
Speaker 4: to his game. It feels like he's just kind of
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna go in here, I'm gonna do my
Speaker 4: style and hopefully it works. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you can't really keep a guy like that around at
Speaker 4: six right, like if you especially in that division, if
Speaker 4: he gets knocked out too, Like I just he's only
Speaker 4: thirty two years old. But man, I just you don't
Speaker 4: want to see a guy putting Harm's way that many
Speaker 4: times who doesn't belong there at that point. Yeah, as
Speaker 4: long a island Luke points out Tay two Vasa's career
Speaker 4: one three, lost three, one to five, lost five. That
Speaker 4: is so bizarre that it's like a weird that's such
Speaker 4: a strange trajectory.
Speaker 2: But that is so insane. I mean, I don't even
Speaker 2: know what to say about this bout. It's like Tasa
Speaker 2: Tashira is tall and he's dangerous, but he's there to
Speaker 2: be hit, and Tay too, Vasa can hit. And it's like,
Speaker 2: if you can't beat an opponent like this, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there may not be guys on the roster that
Speaker 3: you could beat at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just I don't know if this is gonna
Speaker 2: work for you here, you know what I mean. I mean, again,
Speaker 2: to your point, they might keep him because Australia and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I mean, you're I'm right though, way right.
Speaker 4: There's not like you're not seeing things from fight to.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I mean and again he didn't he
Speaker 2: didn't make as many boneheaded decisions in the Rosen Strike fight,
Speaker 2: but he was so boring that he let the fight
Speaker 2: get away from a you know, as worse. I know,
Speaker 2: it's definitely much worse. Let me pull up the stats
Speaker 2: on that one. If I can for just a second,
Speaker 2: please forgive me titovasa here. This is the rosen strike God,
Speaker 2: This of Jesus. He landed over the course of three
Speaker 2: rounds just thirty seven strong miles. That is anemic. He
Speaker 2: landed nine, thirteen and fifteen respectively. Meanwhile, Biggie Boy landed nineteen,
Speaker 2: thirty six and thirty six, so obviously he kept pay
Speaker 2: no takedown, attempts, no nothing, and you know it's just
Speaker 2: punching and low kicking the whole time.
Speaker 3: That said, I was it a split decision.
Speaker 4: I forgot like I think I've scrubbed it from memory,
Speaker 4: but that sounds because it was pure ass.
Speaker 3: Judges drifted off.
Speaker 2: But a fight is so bad and so boring and
Speaker 2: so boring it can honestly be like, Okay, who the
Speaker 2: fuck is winning this bullshit? Like it honestly is a
Speaker 2: little harder. It's harder to kind of keep up with
Speaker 2: it when like very little is happening that effectuates change.
Speaker 4: This is We didn't get a chance to talk about
Speaker 4: zoof of boxing, but I was there, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's easier for you to judge boxing or MMA,
Speaker 4: but given the Zufo boxing, Like you're mentioning this and
Speaker 4: this is something I thought about, Like you got some
Speaker 4: you know, you got these judges. The room's completely dead,
Speaker 4: like everybody's drowsy in the room. There's no energy whatsoever.
Speaker 4: And the fights are all destined to go that whatever
Speaker 4: their you know, six rounds, ten six rounds, ten rounds
Speaker 4: are gonna go. They're all gonna go as many as
Speaker 4: they're scheduled, you know how about Like I couldn't do that,
Speaker 4: like and so like I just I find myself daydream
Speaker 4: and then I'm like, who am that last round? I
Speaker 4: think that would be so difficult to fight through when
Speaker 4: you've got a super boring fight, and especially when the
Speaker 4: atmosphere SAgs to that level.
Speaker 3: That must be tough.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, I score. I feel like I score MMA
Speaker 2: better than I score boxing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think BC's probably a little bit the opposite obviously,
Speaker 2: which would make sense coming from boxing, But I don't
Speaker 2: know how It's like I saw with Dani's you know, oh,
Speaker 2: undefeated record in boxing now is going to mean something,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, that might be true, but
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, they give these guys squash matches because
Speaker 2: the ship rules, you know what I mean, Like, that's
Speaker 2: how that's how you build a star. You got to
Speaker 2: give us.
Speaker 4: Nobody's looking for parody on the early prelims. You know,
Speaker 4: you're looking for some knockouts to get rolling.
Speaker 2: I just want this guy to get some work against
Speaker 2: some jobber who, you know, yeah, fucking does nothing in
Speaker 2: his life. I don't. I'm not. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: need I don't need it to be like, oh this is.
Speaker 4: Really that was a tough gig for those judges out
Speaker 4: in Vegas though, And I will say that that.
Speaker 2: Was hard when they all go the distance on a
Speaker 2: boxing an hour and you're like, fuck me.
Speaker 4: I sent you a picture from the room. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 4: that that looked lively compared to how it felt. I mean,
Speaker 4: it was just so bad in there.
Speaker 2: It felt it felt really.
Speaker 4: Just died, man, Like that main event where it should
Speaker 4: be like picking up and you know, like there should
Speaker 4: be some excitement.
Speaker 3: Is it was so quiet that I, like I said
Speaker 3: this in a column.
Speaker 4: I was like, it was so quiet that if you
Speaker 4: were an activist and you were like I, you know,
Speaker 4: you say no to the you know, Ollie Reform Act,
Speaker 4: you could have yelled that out and everybody would have
Speaker 4: heard it would have been like the biggest bang for
Speaker 4: your buck possible, right because everybody would have heard it
Speaker 4: on the telecast, and so it was just so dead
Speaker 4: in there. Man, it was I felt bad for the
Speaker 4: guys in the ring, you know, because you're like, how
Speaker 4: do you even get up for this? Like how do
Speaker 4: you keep getting off your stool and like get excited?
Speaker 4: It was it was rough man.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't watch much Callum Walsh and I won't
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 3: He didn't blow you away.
Speaker 2: No, let's talk about the last fight on this main card,
Speaker 2: which is kind of an interesting one, actually pretty interesting one.
Speaker 2: It came together last minute. But a guy I've got
Speaker 2: my eye on. I think a lot of people do.
Speaker 2: Quillan saw Killed got the weirdest name I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: taking on Jamie Malarkey, who is a good and decent
Speaker 2: Australian fighter. But Quillan sal Killed, coming off of maybe
Speaker 2: the knockout of the year, seems to have a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a higher profile. As I indicated, Chuck,
Speaker 2: it came together this fight a little bit by accident
Speaker 2: with a late repricement. Notice kind of happening here. But
Speaker 2: if you're saal killed, it seems like a good opportunity
Speaker 2: to make a little bit more of a name for yourself.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 4: And like the I'm Long Island Luca to weighing on
Speaker 4: this too, but like, uh, you know, you get AUSSI
Speaker 4: versus Austin kind of unique, right like you We've talked
Speaker 4: about this a little bit, but it feels to me
Speaker 4: a little bit like a showcase for for Salk because
Speaker 4: you know, coming off of that, you know that that
Speaker 4: big knockout that he had, This feels like an encore performance.
Speaker 4: And if you look at Malarkey, like just over the
Speaker 4: course of time, he's been in the UFC for a
Speaker 4: long time and he's I think he's six and six,
Speaker 4: Like he's one of those guys who you know, he's
Speaker 4: going to be a gatekeeper and I know they hate
Speaker 4: that word, but like you're he's a gatekeeper too, Like
Speaker 4: do you belong in the upper or are you down
Speaker 4: here with me? And this so it feels like that
Speaker 4: big moment for Sulky to kind of just style on
Speaker 4: a guy.
Speaker 3: That's how I see this one.
Speaker 2: Long Island Luke as a resident phony Australian.
Speaker 3: Why are you gonna call me phony. I'm a citizen,
Speaker 3: bro Chill. It's just more Australian than you're Indian. Geez,
Speaker 3: I don't claim to me. Yeah, you guys told me
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: I wasn't claiming to.
Speaker 3: Be born there you are? You know whatever?
Speaker 2: All right, tell me about this Australian on Australian violence.
Speaker 5: I mean Quillen seal kild, biggest favorite on the card.
Speaker 5: He's minus one thousand right now, not much value on him,
Speaker 5: but everyone thinks he's probably gonna knock out Jamie Malarkey.
Speaker 3: Jamie Mlarky's been knocked out six times before.
Speaker 5: And you can get Quillan salth killed by knockout at
Speaker 5: minus one forty five, which is a pretty damn good
Speaker 5: price considering his a minus one thousand favorite personally over
Speaker 5: one and a half rounds right now is plus money
Speaker 5: on DraftKings plus one thirty.
Speaker 3: I'm taking that.
Speaker 5: Both guys hit it in four of their last six fights,
Speaker 5: hoping because they're both Ausie, there's some camaraderie there they
Speaker 5: go a little longer.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Maybe there's too much hype around Quillan because he's got
Speaker 5: two nice ass knockouts, but he did go the distance
Speaker 5: with yanal ash moves so and you know, does anyone
Speaker 5: really remember that guy?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 5: So there you go, Jamie Malarkey. I'm hoping that chin
Speaker 5: holds up, hoping it goes long, rooting.
Speaker 2: For I hope it goes quickly because I'd like to go.
Speaker 2: I will say this for the first broadcast, and I
Speaker 2: know that Zach Candido tweeted like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was the first One's a little different, right, but dude,
Speaker 2: it was. It's like nine to thirty and they're on
Speaker 2: their like third sizzle reel and I'm like, guys.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Brent Musberger. I don't need.
Speaker 4: To hear from Travis motherfucking Barker on his zilgin drum
Speaker 4: sets forty minutes into the broadcast, Start the fights, please.
Speaker 4: So my understanding is we're not going to get that
Speaker 4: this time.
Speaker 3: It wasn't Stem. Imagine if it was Stem performing, bring the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to Stem a fucking thing in my
Speaker 4: eyes what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go. Let's go now to topic number four,
Speaker 2: which is genuinely I was doing some research for this
Speaker 2: for topic number four, and I you know what, hold
Speaker 2: on before we do that. Before we do that, let
Speaker 2: me let me back up step. We will get topic
Speaker 2: four in just a second. But first, first, first, you
Speaker 2: guys know how the show goes. It is presented by DraftKings.
Speaker 2: The crown is yours, Chuck, do me a favor. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pull this up here from our friends at sportsbook
Speaker 2: dot DraftKings dot Com. And I'm looking now at the
Speaker 2: sports book and they've got all different kinds of lines
Speaker 2: on this. So you heard the one there from Long
Speaker 2: Island Luca about the over under on that one. Let's
Speaker 2: go now to the top of the car. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about for Vulcan Lopez and see what kind of bets
Speaker 2: we got here they've got. Let's see walk me through
Speaker 2: this if you can. Long Island does over under four
Speaker 2: and a half units at minus one fifteen. Oh that's
Speaker 2: total rounds.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, it's the over under four and a half rounds.
Speaker 5: It's a pick them right now minus one fifteen.
Speaker 2: Minus one fifteen. Would you does that a bet? You take?
Speaker 5: I like plus money only bets, so I wouldn't. Okay,
Speaker 5: there is good value there. The first fight did go
Speaker 5: five rounds. This one probably goes five rounds, so you know,
Speaker 5: it's a decent bet. I'm more interested in, like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, man, maybe the Vulcan spread bet minus five
Speaker 5: and a half at plus one thirty, where it's like
Speaker 5: if Vulk just covers the spread, so he has to
Speaker 5: cover it by five and a half points, meaning he
Speaker 5: could win three rounds on two judges scorecards and like
Speaker 5: one round on the other, I'd still cover.
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.
Speaker 5: You gotta do the math. There's plenty of outcomes that
Speaker 5: could make that's there. Folk By decision is plus one
Speaker 5: fifty right now. I like that a lot too.
Speaker 2: Also, I got to say, they've got Ben Wassing Denie Chuck,
Speaker 2: Yeah at that first of all plus one thirty five
Speaker 2: overall on his odds. But here this is the one
Speaker 2: that's more interesting to me. They've got the over under
Speaker 2: on this one for one and a half rounds. I
Speaker 2: like bsd's chances, And I'm not saying there's in a
Speaker 2: world he doesn't run them over. But what I am
Speaker 2: saying is there's also dude, Hooker could be tricky, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for is crafty. There's ways in which this one goes
Speaker 2: a little bit long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you like the over on that possibly.
Speaker 2: I mean as a as a bet Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: straight up, you know, hard to say exactly what's gonna happen,
Speaker 2: but like trying to find value in the betting.
Speaker 3: Like especially if it goes past the first Yeah, you
Speaker 3: like the over.
Speaker 4: I think if it goes past the first, I mean
Speaker 4: it seems to me that, you know, Santinio always kind
Speaker 4: of that first round is the one you're like the
Speaker 4: most dangerous.
Speaker 3: If it goes beyond that, things change a little bit.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the Hoofy and PHYSI fight
Speaker 2: going the distance or not? Yes?
Speaker 4: Me, Yeah, I don't think it does. I don't think
Speaker 4: it does. I think that, like the it's kind of
Speaker 4: one of those situations for me. And I know that
Speaker 4: if his if his eve has not been like finished
Speaker 4: like that, but if he goes in there and plays
Speaker 4: in cautious like we were talking about, I could see
Speaker 4: him getting slept. And there's another part of me that's
Speaker 4: like I easily really I think he's a very good
Speaker 4: stand up fighter, so I think he could catch Hoofy
Speaker 4: the other way.
Speaker 3: So I don't know that what is the line on that?
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it set it one and a half
Speaker 3: or is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What it's on the on Whofi no hoofi and physive
Speaker 4: is two and a half two and a half, okay,
Speaker 4: because I was like, I like the under on that one.
Speaker 4: If it was one and a half, I'd be on
Speaker 4: the fence, but like two and a half, I kind
Speaker 4: of like the under there.
Speaker 5: I like to perceive money line in that fight at
Speaker 5: plus one oh two, I think I think he's going
Speaker 5: to get the nod.
Speaker 2: There's okay. I also have to say I like this. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I know no one believes in taichuy Vasa, but they've
Speaker 2: got him right now at plus money on the money
Speaker 2: line at plus two sixty.
Speaker 3: It's not it has that shot.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. It's like, do I have a
Speaker 2: strong degree of belief in Tai tooo Usa?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But do I have a strong degree of belief in
Speaker 2: talentsand to share? No? You know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: you know, so he's at mine, they've got to share
Speaker 2: a sitting at minus two twenty five, they've got Tai
Speaker 2: to vassa plus two sixty. I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: I don't mind that at all. I mean, Long Island. Look,
Speaker 3: that's value, right, That's what you'd call value yeah, but
Speaker 3: it's heavyweight ty.
Speaker 5: You know, he did retire for a year and a half,
Speaker 5: hasn't won a fight in four years. I'd be very
Speaker 5: worried about that bet. But you know there's value sharing yet.
Speaker 2: Listen. I'm not saying it's the most secure one. I'm
Speaker 2: saying the upside is real. How about that? The upside
Speaker 2: is The downsides are known, but the upside is real.
Speaker 2: And at any event, folks, if you want to go
Speaker 2: and do some betting with the DraftKings sports book, you
Speaker 2: can do that now, analyze, of course, and make your picks.
Speaker 2: You can do money line, you can do overrunners, you
Speaker 2: can do the whole things. Honestly, they'll pay attention to
Speaker 2: current odds or what we were talking about here. They
Speaker 2: are subject to change. And as always, this has been
Speaker 2: brought to you by our friends and presented by Draft Kings.
Speaker 2: The crown is yours. All right, let's go to topic
Speaker 2: four and then what has been about fifteen minutes will
Speaker 2: be joined by our friend Shawn Zatel to cover the
Speaker 2: boxing this weekend very quickly if we can. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what to say about this portion of the card,
Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to be a dickhead either. I
Speaker 2: really am not. But let's start out with this one first.
Speaker 2: First of all, there was supposed to be a flyweight
Speaker 2: finale for the road to UFC. We are gonna have
Speaker 2: the bansomweight finale. We are gonna have the featherweight and
Speaker 2: the lightweight. Those fights are still on, but the flyweight finale,
Speaker 2: which by the way, was supposed to be pretty good
Speaker 2: between Aaron True and namsre Bat Bayar, it got canceled.
Speaker 2: Let's roll the video. This is Aaron True or is
Speaker 2: the You can see him here. He's flexing Chuck like
Speaker 2: he's doing the double biceps. I'm saying, True, I apologize,
Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm doing an old school MMA reference. Aaron
Speaker 2: Tow not true, Aaron True was a different guy. Aaron
Speaker 2: Tow apologies. Aaron Tow is flexing double biceps there, but
Speaker 2: he's putting his elbows on the frame of the curtain.
Speaker 2: So he comes in chuck at one two I think
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half, right, and they were like,
Speaker 2: all right, well that's a little sketch. So then they
Speaker 2: make him redo it. No, put his shorts on. Here
Speaker 2: it is, and they removed the thing I think he
Speaker 2: just stands up straight on the scale. Look at this,
Speaker 2: and he comes in at one nine.
Speaker 4: Oh my lord, man, this is like in that song
Speaker 4: the Devil went down Joey winning late, the Golden Fiddle
Speaker 4: down at Johnny's feet.
Speaker 3: You know he knew, he knew lost or whatever. That's
Speaker 3: what this is like. Look at it.
Speaker 4: Look at this demeanor in the second when he's like, fuck,
Speaker 4: I'm found out.
Speaker 3: I haven't I haven't seen.
Speaker 4: I mean doing this, And that was that was yeah,
Speaker 4: because he's like he's not moving either.
Speaker 3: He's just kind of like sitting there.
Speaker 4: His only flaw and nobody would have ever been on
Speaker 4: to him, as if he could have dialed that in better, right,
Speaker 4: Like he way overshot it at one two.
Speaker 3: That's just such a red flag.
Speaker 4: I mean he was also, let's put it in a context,
Speaker 4: he was like he came in ninety minutes into the festivities,
Speaker 4: right like, so it was like they had already he
Speaker 4: was the last guy on the scale. So I think
Speaker 4: there's already an added scrutiny to what's happening with you.
Speaker 4: You can't show up that late and then be that
Speaker 4: far underweight, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he did it. He tried. You ain't cheating,
Speaker 2: You ain't trying. No, I don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 2: ge him.
Speaker 4: So in the Paramount plus era, now we've had like
Speaker 4: one fight called off because of suspicious betting activity, and
Speaker 4: now we've had one fight called off because the dude
Speaker 4: was trying to cheat the scale. That's what I said
Speaker 4: about the drama on this Yeah, face planet after weigh
Speaker 4: that's right, Jesus, and the guy almost died, That's right. Yes,
Speaker 4: that was that was fun. That was a fun little
Speaker 4: time long Louke, come back in here, brother. I'm trying
Speaker 4: not to be difficult. I swear I'm not, but this
Speaker 4: undercard is a show, and not in a good way.
Speaker 4: The top of the card is Junior Tafa versus Billy
Speaker 4: Eli Khanna.
Speaker 5: I mean Junior Tafa never really you can never really
Speaker 5: trust him, I'll say that much.
Speaker 3: You know he is, He's born in New Zealand, Australia.
Speaker 5: I believe he has a gym in Brisbane, so you
Speaker 5: know you root for him in this fight, but I
Speaker 5: think Billy Elkhon is probably gonna get the dub there.
Speaker 2: Cameron Roaston taking on Cody Brundage. Brundage is a pretty
Speaker 2: big underdog here. Roaston pretty aroused in pretty good.
Speaker 5: He lost to Teres Finnie who's in the Fight Before
Speaker 5: Contender series, But yeah, he looks decent. CKB guy Cody Brundage,
Speaker 5: you know, is he really a UFC fighter?
Speaker 3: He gon to beat up a lot.
Speaker 2: We'll see this one dude, Torres Finny who just refuses
Speaker 2: to learn, apparently taking on Jacob Malcohn, who you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, what's his claim to fame? He trained with
Speaker 2: Robert Whitaker. I don't know what to say about this
Speaker 2: fight either.
Speaker 5: Still trains, but yeah, this will be, uh, probably the
Speaker 5: most boring fight of the night. But I am intrigued
Speaker 5: by the odds because they're both grappling heavy guys, and
Speaker 5: Teres Finnie at plus one point thirty is intriguing, but
Speaker 5: naturally going to side with Jacob Malcohn here, all right,
Speaker 5: the one that's.
Speaker 2: Most interesting to me, The one that's most interesting to me,
Speaker 2: Chuck in Long Island, is this one Jonathan I pronounced
Speaker 2: his last name mckayliff. I think, yeah, Mickaylyiff taking on
Speaker 2: Oban Elliot Oban Eli. It came a little bit of hype.
Speaker 2: Still has some but I think is in need of
Speaker 2: a win here and Mickayleff it looks halfway decent on tape. Actually,
Speaker 2: this one, to me is certainly the most competitive fight
Speaker 2: on the preliminary card. Would you agree?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Pretty surprised at the odds too that Oban's the dog.
Speaker 5: I would have maybe flip flopped those odds. I did
Speaker 5: take an Oban spread bet in this. I don't know
Speaker 5: if he wins the fight out right, but I think
Speaker 5: he can steal a round or two here from Michaels
Speaker 5: or right and.
Speaker 2: Last, but not least, anything else on these prelim cards
Speaker 2: that you give a damn about.
Speaker 5: Well, the only other fight besides the road to UFC
Speaker 5: fights con Offley, who you know lost in the Tough
Speaker 5: finale what.
Speaker 3: Two seasons ago, a season ago, taken on Yizza yz Ha.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It sounds like the Rizza, the Jizza,
Speaker 3: the Yizza, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna side with us everywhere.
Speaker 3: Conn Offfley I was really down on in his first
Speaker 3: two UFC fights. He looked like shit.
Speaker 5: He did Subcardohamos in his last fight, and I was
Speaker 5: pretty impressed by that.
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe I think Yez has got a
Speaker 3: lot of hype.
Speaker 5: He did get a quick ko his last time out,
Speaker 5: but he was on a two fight skid I believe
Speaker 5: before that, So naturally I'm going with.
Speaker 3: The aus either.
Speaker 2: All right, very good Chuck.
Speaker 4: That was that was a smart way to like, I'm
Speaker 4: glad you didn't go to me for those fights, man,
Speaker 4: I mean you bring it or not.
Speaker 3: I mean pays attention to that ship.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, the absolutely no question about it.
Speaker 3: But should be fun.
Speaker 4: I think that like coming off a loss and like
Speaker 4: so many people, you talk to Europeans, you know, and
Speaker 4: they they still talk about him like he's he's got something,
Speaker 4: uh that we we haven't seen yet, So I guess
Speaker 4: I'm still intrigued to see how far he can take things,
Speaker 4: especially coming off the loss here.
Speaker 2: Uh. And then last thing I'll say is I did
Speaker 2: hear that this guy and I did a little bit
Speaker 2: of tape watching on Kachi Knuckamore from the featherweight final.
Speaker 2: He looks to be the goods. He actually pretty interesting,
Speaker 2: but we're still I think he's what seven and one
Speaker 2: or something like that, to double check, but we're so
Speaker 2: early into his UFC run though I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly what even this is supposed to mean. You know,
Speaker 2: it's an important fight, it's a good fight.
Speaker 4: But overall the prelims from the first one at Paramount
Speaker 4: plus Era were much better than this one, is what.
Speaker 2: We're saying, ragnificantly. So yeah, right, with that in mind,
Speaker 2: we'll put a pin in this. We'll come back to
Speaker 2: the boxing later. Long, aw, we got time to do
Speaker 2: a little over under or rate that card.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, let's do it all right's that card?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 3: You know we did it last week. We're doing it
Speaker 3: again this week. I'll explain it after the intro card.
Speaker 5: It sucks.
Speaker 3: I did say rate, but it is rank. I apologize.
Speaker 5: You know, I keep saying rate myself, but because you're
Speaker 5: ranking Ian, it's obviously it should be rank.
Speaker 3: But rate does roll off the tongue better.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Anyways, I'm gonna pitch these twe of you out of time.
Speaker 5: You're just gonna give me most likely to least likely
Speaker 5: based on the question. You can both chime in, but
Speaker 5: I will pitch it back and forth. So lt who's
Speaker 5: the New Zealand born fighter with the best chance to
Speaker 5: win on Saturday?
Speaker 3: Aaron Tao is obviously out of this because his fighter
Speaker 3: is off. So Junior Tafa or Dan Hooker.
Speaker 2: I'll say Junior Tafa.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I mean I think Dan Hooker is a
Speaker 4: much better fighter, but he's also got much tougher competent
Speaker 4: so anah, yeah, probably Tafa. Alright, I feel like Hooker's
Speaker 4: uphill battle man. That's a tough one, all right, Chuck.
Speaker 5: Uh, Which undefeated fighter in the UFC has the biggest
Speaker 5: chance of losing on Saturday?
Speaker 3: Oh boy? Cameron, Rouston, Quillin Skill.
Speaker 2: Look at these names. These sound like names from the
Speaker 2: Key and Peel sketch, Jamius Rex.
Speaker 3: Torus Finney. All right, and then what so rank them one,
Speaker 3: two three? So Therez is number one?
Speaker 4: Uh, and then maybe and then maybe Ralston and then
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that Quillan's gonna like ship the sheets
Speaker 4: in this one.
Speaker 3: I mean he's like, he's this is set up for
Speaker 3: him to succeed here, true, LT, you you agree.
Speaker 2: Or its exact same?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean that is based on the odds, so
Speaker 3: that makes more sense. LT.
Speaker 5: Who's the most likely to win by finish? Talas in
Speaker 5: too shera Ben was Saint Deny or Quillin sal killed.
Speaker 1: In this in the.
Speaker 2: Definitely definitely talis In first, Okay, yeah, and then I'll
Speaker 2: yes in order, so I've got Talisan BSD, then Saw killed.
Speaker 3: Okay, Chuck, I'd go Talison, then Saw killed and the NBA.
Speaker 5: Ye all right, Uh Chuck, Which underdog has the best
Speaker 5: chance of winning on Saturday?
Speaker 3: Tie to Avasa, Dan Hooker or Diego Lopez?
Speaker 4: Ah Man, I hate to contradict, Like when we talk
Speaker 4: abou Volcanosa, I still will say Diego has a good chance, though,
Speaker 4: like I think if he makes those adjustments or if
Speaker 4: he comes in a little smarter, I'll go Diego top
Speaker 4: and then and then ty Tabas and then uh Hooker.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see, I'm gonna go Lopez even though he's
Speaker 2: got the toughest assignment. I'll go tie and then I'll
Speaker 2: go Dan. And again I think Dan's better than Tye obviously,
Speaker 2: but I think he to the point Chuck made just
Speaker 2: the timing of this fight, I just don't love it
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 3: I might flip flap tie in Hooker.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of I love Tye, but I'm very no,
Speaker 4: you don't know, you don't ill are you betting on him?
Speaker 3: You're like, yo that I'll do a shoey. I'll do
Speaker 3: a shoey on stream if TI wins calling it right now?
Speaker 3: All right, wow, all right.
Speaker 5: Now we're talking uh ELTI most entertaining fighter on the card,
Speaker 5: Ben was Sintony Ti Tasa or Mauricio Hoofy.
Speaker 2: Well, up to this point, the answer has been Hoofy.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what we're gonna get from him
Speaker 2: on Saturday. So I'm gonna say BSD one, Hoofy two,
Speaker 2: tie three hm hm.
Speaker 3: That is the only I would just flip flop.
Speaker 4: I guess I'd go I'm just gonna believe in the
Speaker 4: excitement factor on Hoofy, so I'll go him then BSD
Speaker 4: then tye.
Speaker 3: Okay tie to me, I was factoring in again the shoeies,
Speaker 3: the ada after that last fight. Man, true, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I need to see something here, Dude, remember that movie
Speaker 2: that Remember that event. It was like in ACB, like
Speaker 2: one of one of these Russian events where like the
Speaker 2: owner came out in the middle of the fight, was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: just stop the ship. That's how I felt in the
Speaker 2: middle of that fight. Just fucking leave.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 5: Chuck, who's the most likely to avoid a second straight loss,
Speaker 5: Cody Brundage, Junior Tafa or Dan Hooker.
Speaker 3: Man all right, I'll go Hooker, Tafa, Brundage, Okay.
Speaker 2: LT, I'll go Tafa, Tafa, Hooker, Brandage.
Speaker 3: I might go Brundage number one. I'm just like Camra,
Speaker 3: You're just questioning if belongs in the UFC.
Speaker 5: I know, but I haven't seen enough out of cam
Speaker 5: Rouston yet where we are really gonna doubt.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's just there's too much intrigue there. Whereas Billy Alacana,
Speaker 5: I feel like it's gonna be tough BSD. We obviously
Speaker 5: know where the odds are at there.
Speaker 3: LT.
Speaker 5: Who will have more UFC fights after Saturday? Alexander Volkanowski,
Speaker 5: Dan Hooker or Tyko of Us.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a toughie. Hooker is gonna go until they
Speaker 2: make him stop. So definitely he's the answer. And Vulcan
Speaker 2: at least might have a couple more, especially if he
Speaker 2: wins Tie. I think this might be do or die,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Hooker, Vulk Tie Chuck.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right, and Vulcan especially like we didn't talk
Speaker 4: about this. Luke but like the psychology. Remember he's talking
Speaker 4: about like being psychology affected during idle times. I just
Speaker 4: I can't imagine he's gonna walk away easily from the game.
Speaker 4: So but Hooker be there, like you mentioned, until they
Speaker 4: until they force him out.
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, Chuck fighter, who's stock will drop
Speaker 3: the most with a loss?
Speaker 5: On Saturday Mauricio Rufi, Oban Elliott, or Quillin sal killed
Speaker 5: with a loss.
Speaker 4: I'd definitely say Hoofy because I feel like people are
Speaker 4: high up on him uh doing something, So I'd go Hoofy,
Speaker 4: then sell killed, just given where they're at and coming
Speaker 4: off that knockout, and then then Oban.
Speaker 3: Lt Umm drop the most.
Speaker 2: Hoofy uh saw killed Elliott because Elliott's already lost.
Speaker 5: You know, I feel like Saul killed has to be
Speaker 5: number one because he's a minus one thousand favorite.
Speaker 3: He's fighting a chinney boy, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about a relative to two losses in a row?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Hoofy is losing to top fifteen guys. These
Speaker 5: aren't like bad losses, you know.
Speaker 4: I don't know this is is going to have that
Speaker 4: he I think, right, I don't know if is malarchy,
Speaker 4: like even a big fan favorite like, I feel like
Speaker 4: the crowd's gonna want to see Sulkil do something here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I'm I gotta think no, Well, because Quillen's
Speaker 5: from Perth and Jamie is either from Victoria or New
Speaker 5: South Wales, so Jamie might actually have the hometown support.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: I'm curious LT fighter with the best tattoos, So I
Speaker 5: have pictures for each of you here. So picture number
Speaker 5: one is Dan Hooker's tattoo, Picture number two is Benoi
Speaker 5: Saint Deini's tattoo.
Speaker 3: Is that Joan of Arc maybe?
Speaker 5: And picture number three is Aaron Taw's tattoo. So I
Speaker 5: want you to rank them. That's too worst.
Speaker 2: Hookers are the technically the most clean, okay, and so
Speaker 2: for that reason, I like the most I'm gonna give.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have an order here because taos are cultural tattoos. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 2: obviously those are not for mask consumption. Those are for
Speaker 2: cultural tattoos. But I think those are actually the best
Speaker 2: tattoos to get, to be perfectly honest with you, I mean, again,
Speaker 2: it's not for me, but I understand it would be
Speaker 2: for them. So it might look a little weird to
Speaker 2: people who aren't from that thing. But those are those
Speaker 2: are to me, are much more legitimate tattoo than anything else.
Speaker 2: The tattoos, yeah, they're Maori tattoos exactly. And Ben wasats
Speaker 2: tattoo was not bad. It just looks kind of like
Speaker 2: a robot slash joan of arc. I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: that is. Also, her left arm is really long and
Speaker 2: ways that her right arm is not. It's It's okay,
Speaker 2: it's okay. But no, I'm gonna go with hooker one
Speaker 2: TAOTOO BSD three.
Speaker 4: Wow, Chuck, Well, I was gonna say TAO three, But
Speaker 4: I mean now that you've now that you've kind of
Speaker 4: talked about it, I'm like, well, yeah, you know, if
Speaker 4: you're going to get a tattoo, like, you want it
Speaker 4: to be meaningful, right like, so I think i'd go
Speaker 4: the same order.
Speaker 3: I think, I like, I don't know their tattoos.
Speaker 2: The other tattoos are strictly decorative, yeah, whereas the cultural
Speaker 2: tattoos some cultural decoration to it, obviously, but it carries
Speaker 2: significantly more meanings.
Speaker 3: So it's like, so one though, huh shouldn't that be one?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 2: Uh No, because I still don't love the necessity like
Speaker 2: the application of it. I just want pure tattoo applying
Speaker 2: terms you.
Speaker 3: Know, all right? Fair enough?
Speaker 5: Uh, last one, Chuck, the Australian with the best chance
Speaker 5: of being a UFC champion, Jonathan mckayliff, Dom mar Fan
Speaker 5: who's fighting in the road to UFC final are Quillin
Speaker 5: Sal killed?
Speaker 2: Oh Man?
Speaker 5: Well Sal killed out? Oh wait, sorry, I meant to preface.
Speaker 5: All three of them are twenty six or under.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, all right, I'll say soul killed. I mean,
Speaker 4: and then is it Mika Lef? How do we say
Speaker 4: his last name?
Speaker 3: I'm going mckayliff, okay, and then mar Fin that's yeah.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, to be completely honest, I haven't
Speaker 4: seen a ton from you know, mar Fan said, so
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm kind of guessing on that one.
Speaker 3: That's fair lt you got any different or you're going
Speaker 3: the same, Probably the same.
Speaker 2: Right quill in one? And then after that it's who
Speaker 2: gives a shit?
Speaker 3: All right? Fair enough? That was card guys.
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed it, all right, very good, Thank you
Speaker 2: very much. All right, Chuck, we got to see you off.
Speaker 2: I know you're doing another broadcast later today, right, tell.
Speaker 4: The fun I'm jumping on the crack with Pizza Carol
Speaker 4: at the top of the hour. So, uh yeah, but
Speaker 4: you're gonna be back with us on Monday.
Speaker 3: Correct, I'll be back on Monday.
Speaker 4: We'll break down all the action that happened at UFC
Speaker 4: through twenty five and the boxing events.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, man, So it should be a fun one.
Speaker 2: It should be a fun one. Indeed, there's Chuck's socials.
Speaker 2: You can catch them on X, and you can catch
Speaker 2: them on IG and you can catch them on the crack.
Speaker 2: Craik craik, craik crack. I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 2: We say, you know, yeah, the crack a little bit
Speaker 2: later today. Thank you, Iceman. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thanks man. See you guys.
Speaker 2: All right there he goes with that. Being with that
Speaker 2: in mind, let's bring up our next guest. Gentlemen, do
Speaker 2: y'all remember the guy who asked Dana White about uh
Speaker 2: the Ali Act and t KO and Dana told him
Speaker 2: to schedule an interview later and then it never actually happened,
Speaker 2: but everyone was like, yeah, there's a great question. Well,
Speaker 2: it turns out that my man, who is part of
Speaker 2: is a boxing scribe and this is part of the
Speaker 2: Porterway Podcast. His name is Sean Zateel and he now
Speaker 2: joins us to break down the weekends boxing. There he is, Hey, Sean,
Speaker 2: what's going on, buddy Luke?
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me brother.
Speaker 2: What do you have there in the background? My my
Speaker 2: glasses aren't good enough. What's the what's the what's the
Speaker 2: video game machine? Back there?
Speaker 7: The NFL Blitz.
Speaker 6: I have actually have a authentic with a CRT screen
Speaker 6: NFL Blitz ninety nine upstairs.
Speaker 7: And this is the like the replica the Arcade.
Speaker 2: One up So yeah, we got to get you some
Speaker 2: mats underneath the weight bench so you can learn how
Speaker 2: to like, you know, because you got to drop the weights.
Speaker 2: You're not dropping them on fucking hardwood.
Speaker 1: No, no, I do.
Speaker 6: I got one.
Speaker 2: I got one.
Speaker 7: It's just it's it's not visible. But wait there it is.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, you're very good. Y well, Shawn, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Let's talk.
Speaker 2: There's a huge slate of weekend boxing that we're not
Speaker 2: gonna have to get too too much into the weeds,
Speaker 2: but we want to at least keep our audience informed
Speaker 2: of some of the major parts of what is happening,
Speaker 2: and to me, that conversation starts with the ring card
Speaker 2: that's taking place. The official name of it is is
Speaker 2: the Ring four. This is Tao Femal Lopez fighting Shaquor
Speaker 2: Stevenson as a sold out event in Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2: Six fights on this main card. Let's start with the
Speaker 2: main event itself. Lopez obviously just fights at one forty
Speaker 2: Saar coming in I think at one thirty eight and
Speaker 2: a half today. In preparation for that, I saw someone all.
Speaker 2: A columnist on Yahoo Sean described this match as a
Speaker 2: bout between someone who is chaotic and uncalculated in Lopez
Speaker 2: versus the ultimate calculator, not the physical thing, but someone
Speaker 2: who makes that a priority in Schaquar Stevenson. Do you
Speaker 2: agree with that framing?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, to a degree for sure.
Speaker 6: I think it's control, chaos and improvisation and being dynamic
Speaker 6: and creative on Tiafimo Lopez when he's.
Speaker 7: At his best.
Speaker 6: My guy Chris al Jerry with a boxing scene, former
Speaker 6: world champion, says once to catches a rhythm, he gets
Speaker 6: into like a flow state and again becomes very creative
Speaker 6: with his offense, with his defense. He fights a lot
Speaker 6: off of his talent, his athleticism, and not not just
Speaker 6: that alone, but Shaquor is definitely the superior technician.
Speaker 7: I think the to get right into the fight. I
Speaker 7: think the best case.
Speaker 6: Scenario for tia Fimo, who you know was born in Brooklyn,
Speaker 6: New York, but really cut his teeth as an amateur
Speaker 6: in South Florida, if he's going to win this fight,
Speaker 6: it's gonna be it's gonna be Roy Jones against Bernard Hopkins,
Speaker 6: Roy Jones versus James Tony, though much more competitive, I
Speaker 6: think if he can win this fight in that manner
Speaker 6: because James Tony, I'm sure a lot of people listening
Speaker 6: do know how to lose like sixty pounds in sixty
Speaker 6: days and was pretty drained for that Roy Jones fight.
Speaker 6: But point being, sometimes master technicians what can offset them
Speaker 6: is someone who's more athletic and faster than they are,
Speaker 6: and that could be fuddle them a little bit because
Speaker 6: usually a lot of the master technicians also have a
Speaker 6: great deal of hand speed and timing beat speed, and
Speaker 6: that's part of why Shakur is the favorite here.
Speaker 7: Along with being the more superior by.
Speaker 6: The book technician and the more precise puncher, the more
Speaker 6: accurate guy.
Speaker 7: When it comes to placing his shots.
Speaker 6: He's very sharp and the name of the game is
Speaker 6: to hit and not get hit, and that's why Schakor
Speaker 6: is the favorite.
Speaker 7: He's a little bit more accurate than Tiafimo is with
Speaker 7: his placement.
Speaker 6: His shots go from point A to point B in
Speaker 6: a straighter line up the middle, and when he does
Speaker 6: throw combinations, he's good at pinpointing each shot to the
Speaker 6: body or using two decoy shots to set up a
Speaker 6: right hook. Sometimes very accurate with both hands, good, very
Speaker 6: accurate to the body. But Tiafimo is the more gifted
Speaker 6: athlete between the two of them. And to kind of
Speaker 6: Chris al Jerry's saying he gets into a flow state,
Speaker 6: I'd say it's.
Speaker 7: Kind of like a streaky shooter. If he can catch
Speaker 7: a rhythm and get on fire in this fight, he
Speaker 7: can win this fight.
Speaker 6: And I do think it's interesting his his mind games
Speaker 6: yesterday at the press conference, and the course says he's
Speaker 6: not biting on them, but we'll have to see on
Speaker 6: fight night. I think in Tio's best interest Luke because
Speaker 6: he's a guy who fights with his lead hand down
Speaker 6: and when he's stalked. You know, guys that are good
Speaker 6: boxers like Jermaine Ortiz or Sandor Martin. Sandor Martin. Sandor
Speaker 6: Martin put him down with a right hook over the
Speaker 6: top of that lead hand being low. George Cambos is
Speaker 6: going in and out with his feet, sniped him over
Speaker 6: the top of the right hand again, over that that
Speaker 6: low lead hand. Guys like Floyd Mayweather, even though they
Speaker 6: were great with their lead hand low and the shoulder
Speaker 6: roll and everything, when they came forward against the zab
Speaker 6: Judah or against the Conor McGregor, as you'll remember, they
Speaker 6: would go to the high guard. And TiO doesn't has
Speaker 6: never really shown a rate high guard. So I think
Speaker 6: he'd be better off using all that athleticism finding a
Speaker 6: way to get Shakur to come to him. And Shaquur
Speaker 6: as good of a boxer, he is, as good as
Speaker 6: a technician he is. He doesn't punch laterally that often,
Speaker 6: like a Floyd Mayweather, like a andre Ward of Burnell,
Speaker 6: Bernard Hopkins, a Purnell Whitaker. So if if TiO can
Speaker 6: find a way to make him take that step forward,
Speaker 6: then I think he's he's better He's better off if
Speaker 6: he can find a way to dictate to Shakur and
Speaker 6: make him have to take a step forward, not not
Speaker 6: all fights.
Speaker 7: He's gonna have to impose himself at times.
Speaker 6: If he's gonna pull this off as an underdog and
Speaker 6: and he's the bigger puncher, he'll have to impose himself
Speaker 6: in spots. But I think if he just stalks Shakur
Speaker 6: all night, that won't work the way it did against
Speaker 6: uh Lomachenko, who was a smaller guy and older guy
Speaker 6: compared to Chakor Stevenson. So yeah, I think I think that.
Speaker 6: And to wrap this up, that's what I think was interesting.
Speaker 6: He got him to, in a way take a step forward.
Speaker 6: At the press conference, he talked about, you know, putting
Speaker 6: his nuts in his mouth and all this stuff and
Speaker 6: a lot of antics that won't age well if he
Speaker 6: loses this fight. But I look at it as an
Speaker 6: attempt to get Shakur out of his game, and Chakor
Speaker 6: is very confident that that isn't the case.
Speaker 7: But we'll have to see tomorrow night. What goes down.
Speaker 5: Is it.
Speaker 2: Who has the better pro wins? And what I mean
Speaker 2: by that is, you know, listen, I saw the Del
Speaker 2: Santos fight. I saw this Apeeda fight. Those are good
Speaker 2: wins in the sense of you beat a quality guy
Speaker 2: in either case, But remember the Dela Santos fight, his
Speaker 2: hometown crowd walked out, and when this Peeda fight was over,
Speaker 2: you were just kind of like, I don't know, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Shakur is technically detailed, but not overwhelming with the firepower,
Speaker 2: in part because he still has issues with his hands,
Speaker 2: at least he appears to have repeated issues over the
Speaker 2: course of his career with them. And yet you mentioned
Speaker 2: Libuchenko was a little bit old, but there was a
Speaker 2: certain dynamism to that win by Lopez as well. Who
Speaker 2: has the better pro wins today? Even though I recognize
Speaker 2: Lopez having the loss on his record or the surprising
Speaker 2: one to Cambosa's kind of undercuts it a little bit.
Speaker 2: But in terms of the wins, how do you evaluate
Speaker 2: who's really done better, especially of late.
Speaker 6: I think overall, definitely Tiafimo has the better wins, the
Speaker 6: better resume, and has fought as a professional the better competition.
Speaker 6: But what offsets some of that is with the higher
Speaker 6: level of competition, not only has he lost, he's had
Speaker 6: a couple of fights that a lot of boxing. People
Speaker 6: think he may have lost as well, and Jermaine Ortiz
Speaker 6: and Sandor Martin, whereas Shakur overall hasn't fought the level
Speaker 6: of competition Tiafimo has. But outside of the de los
Speaker 6: Santos fight, which was scored the closest in his career,
Speaker 6: he's won handily in every fight, and really outside of
Speaker 6: the Zepeeda fight, hardly been touched in his professional fights.
Speaker 6: And again, Luke, the name of the game is land
Speaker 6: your shots. He's more accurate than Tiafimo is and not
Speaker 6: get hit by the other guys shots. He's got better
Speaker 6: defense than Tiafimo does. Now again, like you're getting at
Speaker 6: against not as high a levee level of opposition and
Speaker 6: typically not as against as bigger guys as tia Fimo
Speaker 6: has been fighting the last couple of years. So that
Speaker 6: is what's interesting right there, when it comes to the
Speaker 6: level of opposition, one guy has the better wins, that
Speaker 6: has overall fought the tougher competition, but the other guy
Speaker 6: has won by a wider margin than tia Fimo has
Speaker 6: and has gotten hit a lot less. So that yeah,
Speaker 6: that's what That's.
Speaker 2: How I answered that one you mentioned the antics. I
Speaker 2: want to play a clip here. Schakour thinks Tayo Femo
Speaker 2: is doing all of this because he's actually nervous. So
Speaker 2: he's play this clip and I want you to react
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 8: I think he's nervous and he's given off energy as
Speaker 8: if he's trying to delude his brain into believing things
Speaker 8: that are basically not going to happen. I just don't
Speaker 8: understand how he can delude his brain into believing that
Speaker 8: when he didn't make Steve Claggett that's his name, Steve
Speaker 8: Claggant quit. He didn't make him quick, he didn't make
Speaker 8: George Campbose's, he did not make lemon Chenko quick. So
Speaker 8: what in the world makes him think that he's gonna
Speaker 8: make me quit?
Speaker 2: What do you think, Sean?
Speaker 6: I think at first, I think I didn't like tia
Speaker 6: Fimo's energy heading into this fight, and I and Shakoor
Speaker 6: very focused, very on point something he learned from a
Speaker 6: guy like Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 7: His eyes are on the prize and he's completely locked in.
Speaker 6: But then it felt like once the fight really got
Speaker 6: here and the fight really starts at the press conference,
Speaker 6: into the way and into fight night, that tia Fimo
Speaker 6: showed up, the real tia Fimo showed up, and I
Speaker 6: didn't get a sense from tia Fimo that he was rattled.
Speaker 7: I actually think he was being calculated. Maybe he perceived
Speaker 7: some of what I perceive.
Speaker 6: How can I make this guy to get out of
Speaker 6: his game plan a little bit, who's always so technical
Speaker 6: and sharp?
Speaker 7: How can I make him make it more of a fight.
Speaker 7: How can I make him take that.
Speaker 6: Step forward Saturday night as opposed to where he could
Speaker 6: take a step back and counter as good as he
Speaker 6: can with his step back game. So I didn't see
Speaker 6: too particularly rattled, I know, and actually, interestingly enough, Wally Moses,
Speaker 6: Chakor's trainer, who's an excellent trainer and helped build him
Speaker 6: from scratch, along with his cousin Zequin Moses, who's a
Speaker 6: good young pro. But now he's all in the video
Speaker 6: like usually, Wally Moses plays the background, and usually it's
Speaker 6: Tiafimo Senior front and center, and Tiafimo Senior has been
Speaker 6: vocal at times, and Wally Moses pointed out the only
Speaker 6: reason he's not vocal here at the press conference is
Speaker 6: he was drunk last night and can't make it to
Speaker 6: this press conference. But I see too as being calculated
Speaker 6: and trying to find a way to get in Shakhor's head,
Speaker 6: get him off his game a little bit. I didn't
Speaker 6: see him as particularly nervous, and actually I see him
Speaker 6: as conserving his energy for the moment.
Speaker 7: Now we'll see again if those antics don't live up
Speaker 7: to the level of focus.
Speaker 6: And drive of Shakor, who is supremely confident, who, unlike Tiafimo,
Speaker 6: doesn't know how to lose.
Speaker 7: But to go back to that Del.
Speaker 6: Santo's fight, and you mentioned Zapeta too, What is interesting
Speaker 6: is the one time Chakourt fought someone who could really
Speaker 6: match him in terms of speed and timing and quickness
Speaker 6: was Del Santos, and he beat him off the jab.
Speaker 7: But his offense took a big hindrance.
Speaker 3: In that fight.
Speaker 6: He wasn't working his body shots, he wasn't working his combinations,
Speaker 6: his right hook, his straight left hand was sparse, and
Speaker 6: he really just won that fight off of one hand.
Speaker 6: Now he says his other hand was hurt for that fight,
Speaker 6: and that's part of why he only beat Del Santos
Speaker 6: with a jab. But the point is, and against Jeremiah
Speaker 6: Nakatia too, a tall fighter from Africa who had some
Speaker 6: power on his right hand. Those two fighters, and in
Speaker 6: particular Del Santos, made him timid. Now, when you bring
Speaker 6: up Zapeta, I do think that fight will pay dividends
Speaker 6: for Shakurt because heading into Zapeta, he already knew he
Speaker 6: was a sharp boxer. He already knew he was a
Speaker 6: master technician. But what he found I'm sure he was
Speaker 6: confident in himself about already. But what he proved was
Speaker 6: he's a dog too. So I think that's a pay
Speaker 6: to fight. Where he stayed in the pocket a lot
Speaker 6: he exchanged was the paid a lot. It was by
Speaker 6: far the most exciting fight of his career. It was
Speaker 6: kind of like his Mayweather Madonna kind of fight. I
Speaker 6: think that now he'll be a little bit more comfortable
Speaker 6: in the pocket against the guy with the explosiveness of
Speaker 6: tia Fimo than he was a couple of years ago
Speaker 6: in the pocket with someone on the explosiveness of Del Santos.
Speaker 7: But these guys got big questions to answer.
Speaker 6: Will Shaquor against the best fighter he's ever fought, will
Speaker 6: he be a little bit more timid against the speed
Speaker 6: and the power the way he was against del Lo
Speaker 6: Santos can Tiafimo be a guy who's excellent with the
Speaker 6: step back game, who could fight off the back foot.
Speaker 7: As a great boxer.
Speaker 6: When he's been up against that look against other fighters,
Speaker 6: he hasn't looked as sharp as when he can play
Speaker 6: the counterpuncher. So that's why I say again he might
Speaker 6: be looking to find a way to make shakor come
Speaker 6: forward a little bit more than he wants to so
Speaker 6: he can do what he does best, and that is
Speaker 6: be the lead hand, low quicker fighter, the athletic fighter,
Speaker 6: the counterpuncher at times and not always.
Speaker 7: Have to go after this guy.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this co main event honestly, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not going to say it's more interesting than the main event,
Speaker 2: but it's certainly interesting. Jamaine Ortiz, as you mentioned, only
Speaker 2: two losses in his career, one of which was to Lopez,
Speaker 2: and as you indicated, a very very shaky loss in
Speaker 2: that sense as well, given how it could have gone
Speaker 2: a very very technical fighter taking on the man of
Speaker 2: the hour, Keishawn Davis, who in his last fight was
Speaker 2: supposed to have a homecoming in Newport News and in
Speaker 2: the Virginia Tidewater area where he is from the Norfolk,
Speaker 2: Virginia area, and he just fucked it all up, I
Speaker 2: mean completely fucked it all up, and the whole fight
Speaker 2: got canceled. He ended up showing up there getting into fights.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was a nightmare. Here he is, first question,
Speaker 2: is he still with top rank? But more importantly I understand,
Speaker 2: or my understanding, is that Davis left working with Bowmack,
Speaker 2: the trainer of, or at least the long time train
Speaker 2: anyway of Bud Crawford. What the hell is going on
Speaker 2: with Keishan Davis? And for all of the promising parts
Speaker 2: about his game and his future, how much do you
Speaker 2: still believe in it? Just given everything that's happened over
Speaker 2: the last year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you raised a lot of fair points, man, and
Speaker 6: he's giving a new young team a chance at it,
Speaker 6: which part of me likes because a lot of times
Speaker 6: in the NFL the NBA it's about like who could
Speaker 6: get the new sexy offensive coordinator or the new young coach,
Speaker 6: whereas in boxing you pretty much retread the same names
Speaker 6: over and over again. Bow Mack, Freddie Roach a few
Speaker 6: years ago. He's gotten up there in age more so,
Speaker 6: and Robert Garcia.
Speaker 7: And so on, and so forth. But yeah, man, he
Speaker 7: winds up having an ugly fallen out with bow Mack.
Speaker 6: He blows the weight by almost an entire other weight
Speaker 6: class against De los Santos, a fighter he hand picked
Speaker 6: for top rank.
Speaker 7: He is still with top rank.
Speaker 6: Top rank is leasing fighters out right now the Turkey
Speaker 6: Ala Chica Riad season. They can't compete with a Saudi
Speaker 6: you know, government and public investment fund. And I made
Speaker 6: a point on Twitter that got a lot of people
Speaker 6: upset where I said, you know, this tia Femo Shkort
Speaker 6: fight is really built up by top ranked. Tia Femo
Speaker 6: and Shakor were built up on ESPN primetime slots where
Speaker 6: they got a million plus viewers a few times in
Speaker 6: their tenures with top rank. But you know, when you're
Speaker 6: a private American business, especially without a network deal anymore
Speaker 6: with ESPN, you can't compete with the Saudi public investment fund.
Speaker 6: That said Keishan from blowing weight against De los Santos
Speaker 6: to having a fair degree of hubris since he became
Speaker 6: a world champion against Dennis Baranchek last February, to celebrating
Speaker 6: Andy Cruz's loss last week against Raymond Murataya, where.
Speaker 7: He was doing the belt to ass and I get it.
Speaker 6: His point was, you know, this guy shitted on me
Speaker 6: all the time about beating me in the amateurs now
Speaker 6: that we're professionals, but you know you didn't beat him,
Speaker 6: Kishan Raymon Murrataya beat him. And I used to ask
Speaker 6: Kishan that, like, don't you isn't there a part of
Speaker 6: you that wants to write that wrong for the amateurs
Speaker 6: and fight him in the pros And you know he
Speaker 6: would say yeah, someday, but now it looks like that
Speaker 6: fight will never happen. Eddie Hearn's talking about moving Andy
Speaker 6: Kruz down to one thirty. Kishan's talking about going to
Speaker 6: one forty seven. There's nothing but quality champions at one forty,
Speaker 6: from Richardson Hitchens to Gary Antoine Russell.
Speaker 7: To the winner of this fight.
Speaker 6: He's already ruled out Tiafimo because he says tia Fimo's
Speaker 6: terrified of him. He'll never fight Schakor Stevenson because how
Speaker 6: close they are if Shakor wins. The only guy who
Speaker 6: said he'll fight is Dalton Smith, who's the newest champion,
Speaker 6: because he says Dalton Smith can sell out Arenas.
Speaker 7: Back in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 6: He wants to go to one forty seven and fight
Speaker 6: Devin Haney, who is a three division champion with more
Speaker 6: than double the amount of professional.
Speaker 7: Fights he has.
Speaker 6: So what I'm getting at, and he's promised the knockout
Speaker 6: of Jamaine Ortiz, who has fast hands, fast feat is
Speaker 6: a very solid contender in his physical prime, arguably the
Speaker 6: most athletic fighter Kishan's fought to date. Who is a
Speaker 6: who has more professional experience than Kishan. He's fought Lomachenko
Speaker 6: and Tiafimo to very difficult fights, and on his part,
Speaker 6: he's got to let his nuts hang all the way
Speaker 6: to the ground this time. You know, Luke, every guy
Speaker 6: steps through the octagon and steps in the ring, lets
Speaker 6: him hang. But he coughed up the second half against Lomachenko,
Speaker 6: and he didn't do enough to win against Tiafimo.
Speaker 7: He frustrated him, He made him look bad.
Speaker 6: He made the fight very close and even controversial to
Speaker 6: some people, but he didn't put his foot on the
Speaker 6: gas to actually walk away with the win. So this
Speaker 6: fight from Jermaine Ortiz, win or lose, I want to
Speaker 6: see him not leave anything on the table, if it.
Speaker 7: Even go out on the shield if he has to.
Speaker 6: And for Keishawn Davis, he's talked a lot of shit
Speaker 6: and he's got to back it up Saturday night. He's
Speaker 6: promising a knockout, not just to win. I think he
Speaker 6: will win the fight Luke, because he's got a little
Speaker 6: bit more sophistication to his arsenal to his skills than
Speaker 6: Jamaine Ortiz, who again has quick hands, quick feet.
Speaker 7: Keishawan's the better puncher.
Speaker 6: I'm interested to see how Keishaan deals with Jamaine Ortiz's
Speaker 6: very quick feet because Kei Shan keeps a wide base
Speaker 6: and he's actually a little bit flat footed. But he's
Speaker 6: the better body puncher. He's more physical on the inside
Speaker 6: and at long range. He has a hell of a
Speaker 6: right hand uh, and he's the better puncher between the
Speaker 6: two of them. But this is his first fight in
Speaker 6: a new way class offense against a legit guy. But
Speaker 6: he looked a lot bigger at the Way or at
Speaker 6: the press conference yesterday. So I do expect Keishan to win.
Speaker 6: But he has put himself into a situation where you
Speaker 6: better back it up or else. The critics and people
Speaker 6: on social media are are gonna cook him and be
Speaker 6: awfully loud about it, which I'm sure he doesn't really
Speaker 6: give a shit about, but you know how that goes.
Speaker 2: Also on this card, Carlos Adamis will be putting up
Speaker 2: his WBC middleweight title against.
Speaker 3: He got sick today, Oh Jesus Damas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well shoo shoe. Carrington's on this card
Speaker 2: still against Carlos Castro and then Darrell Miller. Funny story, dude,
Speaker 2: I cover Darrell Miller's fights in Glory sometimes in Europe.
Speaker 2: To see him out here after all of that. I
Speaker 2: know he's had peed failures left and right, stole a
Speaker 2: car allegedly one time. I mean he's had a run.
Speaker 2: He's still on this card. I don't know what you
Speaker 2: could say about his career, but he's still present. I'll
Speaker 2: put it that way. He's still around.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I thought he beat Andy Ruiz in
Speaker 6: La back at that Ria season off card.
Speaker 7: I thought he beat him. He that's a that's a
Speaker 7: guy who's been pretty shameless since popping for a couple
Speaker 7: of steroids when he lost that Anthony Joshua fight. But
Speaker 7: he's a very for being such a big guy carrying
Speaker 7: so much weight. He's got some crazy volume.
Speaker 3: He did you know he did.
Speaker 7: He never really been down. I mean Daniel Dubois man
Speaker 7: now off the top of the head.
Speaker 6: I can't remember if he got stopped right at the
Speaker 6: bell or if du Bois had him out on his
Speaker 6: feet at the bell at the in the final round.
Speaker 6: And Dubois a big puncher, big baby Miller is a
Speaker 6: good shit talker. He throws a hell of a lot
Speaker 6: of punches. He's got really good punch resistance. You know,
Speaker 6: I don't know if he'll ever hold a heavyweight title
Speaker 6: in this uh, in the heavyweight division, but yeah, man,
Speaker 6: he talks a lot of shit and except for Daniel Debois,
Speaker 6: he tends to back it up. So we'll see what
Speaker 6: we get out of him. He's fighting in the in
Speaker 6: the five Borough. He's fighting New York City's from Brooklyn.
Speaker 6: Shoes shoes from Brooklyn. I think I think Bruce Carrington
Speaker 6: is gonna win that fight, win his first full world title,
Speaker 6: and cry in the ring thereafter. But he is fighting
Speaker 6: a fighter in Carlos Castro who is not this come
Speaker 6: forward Mexican fighter and kind of like Jermaine Ortiz against
Speaker 6: Keishaan has been knocking on the door.
Speaker 7: Uh, he's come close. He a lot of people thought
Speaker 7: he beat Stephen Fulton and.
Speaker 6: Dropped him in their fight during the Canelo Berlanga undercard,
Speaker 6: so you know he he keeps it long and Bruce
Speaker 6: Carrington is a fighter who's a hell of a counterpuncher.
Speaker 6: Not always the best defense, fast hands, but sometimes as.
Speaker 7: A great counterpuncher.
Speaker 6: He waits to counter a little bit too much, and
Speaker 6: he can't do that against Carlos Castro, who's tall, rangey,
Speaker 6: got good feet. He's gonna have to use some of
Speaker 6: the parts of his arsenal he's neglected in some fights recently,
Speaker 6: mainly his jab, some of his feints he's gonna have
Speaker 6: to initiate and punctuate. If he just wastes to punctuate,
Speaker 6: just wastes to counter, this fight could get away from him.
Speaker 7: But I expect him to win win a world title
Speaker 7: on this card as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is breaking news or not,
Speaker 2: but ZUFA Boxing's main event for ZUFA Boxing three is
Speaker 2: Faa Jaga versus Charles Martin. Is that news?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I actually heard about that from my guys in the
Speaker 7: Sport a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: On Valentine's Day, FAA Jagua and Charles Martin.
Speaker 2: That's their first let me let me tee you up
Speaker 2: because they've got They've got Ryo fighting this weekend, and
Speaker 2: but also Top Rank has got this card in Puerto
Speaker 2: Rico trying to feature Xander Zias. How do you feel
Speaker 2: about what ZUFA is doing just on the boxing side,
Speaker 2: Just forget about the the contracts and all we you not.
Speaker 2: I eve been where that a million times, but on
Speaker 2: the boxing side, relative to what Top Rank is able
Speaker 2: to do, relative to what Golden Boy is able to
Speaker 2: do right now, how do you feel about their boxing efforts?
Speaker 7: I think their first show was.
Speaker 6: Kind of underwhelming given the bravado they're coming into the
Speaker 6: sport with now.
Speaker 7: Definitely you could argue it's more sustainable.
Speaker 6: They're coming in not blowing a lot of money on
Speaker 6: the talent right away and on the card. Whereas PDC
Speaker 6: when they had their first card, it was Keith Thurman
Speaker 6: versus Robert Guerrero, it was two legit guys at the
Speaker 6: top level.
Speaker 7: It was a bigger fight. It was a bigger card, but.
Speaker 6: That's harder to sustain, as we found out over the
Speaker 6: last ten years. And then for Dezone, their first Foray
Speaker 6: was supposed to be Demitrius Andred against Billy Joe Saunders.
Speaker 6: Billy Joe popped for something and it wound up being
Speaker 6: Demitrius Andrade against Walter Colton, Dakua and Eddie Hearn wound
Speaker 6: up losing a bunch of money for de Zone on
Speaker 6: Dimitrius Andre. So to give them credit where is due
Speaker 6: not coming out the gates hot, They're not coming out
Speaker 6: the gates with a big name or a world championship
Speaker 6: level fighter in their main event, which was Calum Walls
Speaker 6: against Carlosokoppo, which wasn't really a good fight. I don't
Speaker 6: think Callum Wallash, who's decent, is a world champion material.
Speaker 6: But they did have some solid prospects on the undercard
Speaker 6: and Troy Nash, Emiliano Robert Garcia fight now all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, Emiliano card than us, and most importantly to me,
Speaker 6: Robert Merriweather.
Speaker 7: Who's a good young prospect at twenty years old.
Speaker 6: The matchmaking was solid, and the Julian Rodriguez Kane Sanderbal
Speaker 6: fight was solid too. It had a lot of action,
Speaker 6: but a lot of people are using the world's word
Speaker 6: sterile to describe the vibe in there in that APEX METAPEX,
Speaker 6: whatever the fuck Pex it is Mark Ruderberg complex now
Speaker 6: and they're the The commentary kind of devolved, like at first,
Speaker 6: you know, Max Kellerman and andre Ward are dropping jewels
Speaker 6: X Kellerman is talking about how it takes a talented
Speaker 6: fighter to throw his lead right hand at a certain
Speaker 6: long distance and all that. But then eventually it just
Speaker 6: turned into the ZUFA boxing drinking game, like take a
Speaker 6: shot every time. Joe Tessitur and Max Kellerman are trying
Speaker 6: to give you the hard sell on ZUFA boxing, and
Speaker 6: it just kind of, I'll use your word that I
Speaker 6: came up with as well.
Speaker 7: It's kind of felt soulless and dystopian.
Speaker 6: It felt like this is just another chip towards you know,
Speaker 6: world domination for TKO and Ari Emmanuel and the people
Speaker 6: running that ship. But the car did produce some good
Speaker 6: matchmaking and a lot of action. But as a first impression,
Speaker 6: I think it was underwhelming, giving given how much bravado
Speaker 6: they're coming into the game with.
Speaker 7: But it wasn't all bad.
Speaker 2: At the same time, what's left of top ranking Golden Boy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're in trouble Man, Golden Boy is going to
Speaker 6: Swerve TV, which is a local Los Angeles channel. Oscar
Speaker 6: de la Joya his clapbacks. He makes good points, but
Speaker 6: it's not coming from a very strong messenger.
Speaker 7: Right now.
Speaker 6: His building in La just got foreclosed, his original Golden
Speaker 6: Boy offices.
Speaker 7: He's in a lawsuit with his best fighter, Virgil Ortiz.
Speaker 6: His other best fighter and biggest attraction, Ryan Garcia, by
Speaker 6: all accounts, will be leaving him. Oscar may have some
Speaker 6: options on him for two fights thereafter, but he'll still
Speaker 6: be able to leave for after this Mario Barrios fight.
Speaker 6: He wound up folding to Turkey Ala Chic and giving
Speaker 6: him Barrios and Garcia as opposed to keeping it at
Speaker 6: Amazon Prime fight with PBC. And what's odd about that
Speaker 6: is he in the lawsuit with Ortiz. He reportedly turned
Speaker 6: down a two year extension with his own But then it's.
Speaker 7: Like, can't be lukewarm here. Then you got to try
Speaker 7: to make something happen on Prime potentially then another distributor.
Speaker 6: He still thinks he can get something done with this,
Speaker 6: which he may have to to keep Virgil Ortiz because
Speaker 6: Ortiz has a clause in his contract that if Oscar
Speaker 6: doesn't have a deal done with a network, specifically his own,
Speaker 6: then he's he has a clause to get out of
Speaker 6: that contract. And then his third best fighter, Gilberto Zerto Ramirez.
Speaker 6: I don't think he beats David Benavitez a single demayo weekend.
Speaker 7: So you know, I got love for Oscar. He's one
Speaker 7: of the great fighters I grew up with.
Speaker 6: I think he makes fair points against ZUFA, but it's
Speaker 6: not looking good for him and Golden Boy. And then
Speaker 6: with top rank they still have a war chest of talent.
Speaker 6: They got a lot of the talent on this Saturday's
Speaker 6: car Tia Fima, Lopez, Bruce Carrington and Keyshawn Davis are
Speaker 6: all top.
Speaker 7: Ranked talents, but they don't have a network.
Speaker 6: I think this fight with Xanderzeos, which is a unification,
Speaker 6: a hell of a fight with Abos Barral, That's gonna
Speaker 6: be a hell of a fight, but it's in Xanderzeos.
Speaker 6: If he wins, becomes the youngest unified champion in the sport.
Speaker 7: But it's on Roku TV. I believe an app you
Speaker 7: gotta download.
Speaker 6: They got some stuff showing on two and I think
Speaker 6: a big problem for Todd Prank isn't completely just the
Speaker 6: network situation where they ended on a whimper with ESPN.
Speaker 6: They had some strong outings on there, Haini Lomachenko, Lomachenko
Speaker 6: against Tiafimo Lopez.
Speaker 7: They co promoted Fury and Wilder.
Speaker 6: That was great for the sport and they produced three
Speaker 6: great fights, two of which had to do with ESPN.
Speaker 7: But but I think the big problem for them is
Speaker 7: who's the successor for Bob Aram.
Speaker 6: The jury is out big time on Todd to Buff
Speaker 6: who's been underneath kind of like an underboss to Bob
Speaker 6: and it does a lot of the decision making.
Speaker 7: But the jury's out big time if.
Speaker 6: Todd to Buff is the kind of successor to Bob Aram,
Speaker 6: if he could take them forward for the next sixty
Speaker 6: years like Aaron has for the last sixty years.
Speaker 7: I think if Aaron was twenty thirty years younger, they'd
Speaker 7: be in better shape.
Speaker 6: To withstand the storm of the Saudi Public Investment Fund
Speaker 6: and eventually offer a lucrative alternative to what ZUFA has
Speaker 6: going on.
Speaker 7: But top ranks in big trouble.
Speaker 6: Bob Aram's ninety four years old and they don't have
Speaker 6: a network, but they do still have a lot of talent.
Speaker 2: There's a lot else going on this boxing weekend. Bertazalie
Speaker 2: of his back. There's a whole bunch of things, but
Speaker 2: we gotta get it going. Sean, how can folks get
Speaker 2: more of your work? And what's your coverage plan for
Speaker 2: the weekend?
Speaker 6: Man, I'll be doing a live round by round watch
Speaker 6: party tomorrow night for the Bakra Murdazalia fight overseas against
Speaker 6: Josh Kelly. That's a good scrap. And then the whole
Speaker 6: ring card ring six tia Fimo and Shakor. I'll be
Speaker 6: live for that as well. Me and my guy Radio Raheem.
Speaker 6: We're gonna drop our instant reactions to that. We're gonna
Speaker 6: drop a reaction after the weigh in kind of give
Speaker 6: our final analysis on tia Fimo and Shakor.
Speaker 7: We'll have analysis right after the fight. I'll be live
Speaker 7: during the fight.
Speaker 6: And yeah, man, and I'm always in the gyms here
Speaker 6: in Las Vegas getting quotes from champions and guys coming up.
Speaker 6: And Man, if you go to my channel, Shawanza tell
Speaker 6: I got I got a ton of interviews despite not
Speaker 6: being in New York City for this card. The access
Speaker 6: isn't too great these days anyways, when you cover fights, Luke, So.
Speaker 2: If you can tell me about it, Yeah right.
Speaker 6: If you can get around the local gyms and talk
Speaker 6: to fighters there, you might wind up with more interviews
Speaker 6: than you would sometimes flying out to a New York City.
Speaker 6: So I appreciate the time, man, shout out to you, Luke.
Speaker 6: We had Lawrence Taylor, we had Ladany and Tomlinson, and
Speaker 6: now we got Luke Thomas.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: I also do coke and hang out with hookers. So
Speaker 2: me and the original lt Or we were killing it.
Speaker 2: We're killing it, Sean. Thank you so much. Man. We'll
Speaker 2: look forward to your Coveragejoe weekend. We'll get you back
Speaker 2: on again soon. Thank you.
Speaker 7: Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Brother. There he goes the great shawns to Tel. Can't
Speaker 2: recommend him enough. I got to figure out what's going
Speaker 2: on with my focus here on this here screen. All right,
Speaker 2: let's remind everyone one more time. First of all, my
Speaker 2: coverage plan for the weekend. I'll be watching I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna watch the whole car but I'm gonna watch the
Speaker 2: main event from my watch along I think on Saturday,
Speaker 2: and then I'll do the post fight through twenty five
Speaker 2: post fight show I hope to God diego Lopez. I
Speaker 2: don't care if you win or lose, but if you
Speaker 2: don't cage cut, I'm gonna kill you on air, all right,
Speaker 2: So there's that. Also, you can follow up. We'll put
Speaker 2: it back up one more time. The socials here. As
Speaker 2: you can see, there's Chucks who was here with us earlier.
Speaker 2: He's got a coverage plan, and then my stuff and
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Speaker 2: We should do those once a month, so we'll while
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Speaker 2: what's going you got going on?
Speaker 5: I can't put myself on screen in this layoff, but
Speaker 5: either way, I gotta watch along. Saturday, I'll be doing
Speaker 5: the full card five pm Eastern, and I got ult
Speaker 5: back on prop Quiz against Jed Mishu, airing in twenty
Speaker 5: five minutes.
Speaker 3: No spoilers, don't make it reaction LT, just sign us off,
Speaker 3: please and thank you. Let's go every So there you
Speaker 3: have it.
Speaker 2: You can go check out main card minute for everyone
Speaker 2: on this show, for Chuck, for Shawn Ztel and Long
Speaker 2: Island Luke as well as the staff and everybody else.
Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching.
Speaker 2: We'll catch you on Monday back with the Iceman himself,
Speaker 2: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal