WEBVTT - UFC 325 Alexander Volkanovski vs. Diego Lopes 2 Full Card Breakdown 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:10.800 Revere readily dalks well at the smell tip tip. This 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:15.440 is all wine, this is our passion. I'm Luke Thomas. 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.560 I'm this this Morning Combat. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:25.760 Morning Combat with the teacher from Charlie Brown's Peanuts. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:27.360 Wa War to Wah War War. 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.800 What's up everyone? It is the thirtieth of January twenty 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.640 twenty sixth My name is Luke Thomas, and welcome to 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.160 another edition of Morning Combat. As you can see, I'm 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.760 joined here. I get well. I got rid of one 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.080 Connecticut bozo and I'm returned a different one. I just 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.760 can't quit you Connecticut bozos. It's the iceman himself, Chuckmanton Hall. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.640 Who when did you get home? 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:47.880 Ice Man? How long did that take? 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:49.760 God man, it was a it was an ordeal, Luke. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:51.880 I got I finally got home Monday night. I was 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.959 supposed to come back on Saturday, but I was going 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:56.639 to get hung up no matter where I was at 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.480 it either it was gonna be Vegas or in connection 0:00:58.560 --> 0:00:59.480 through Chicago. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.560 So I did what any color Radden would do. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.280 I flew to Denver, watched the Broncos lose there, and 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.039 then I was able to catch a flight on Monday. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.240 Did you stay with the parents. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.240 I said, I stayed with my sister, and you know, 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.240 I saw some other family and watched the game with 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.800 some family and very depressing scenes over there. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.360 Man, Yeah, I was very bitter. I was like, I 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.600 cannot believe we're gonna let the Patriots go back to 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.120 the super Bowl again. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:24.120 Broke unbearable. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.240 The most obnoxious fan base in sports, which is saying, 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.399 quite well, maybe that's that's a little strong. One of 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.760 the most obnoxious fan bases in sports, and not even 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.720 that good of a team, but they just keep advancing. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:35.520 I don't quite get it. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.240 The weather rolled in, man, I don't know if you 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.720 watched that game, but it was Yeah, it was cold, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.880 but then once it like the flurries came in, it 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.520 just changed everything. It was like neither offense could function. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.280 I saw both kickers miss field goals. If memory serves. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.200 Right, that's an exciting AFC championship right there, when both like, 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.080 that's what you remember is the kickers missing field goals. 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:57.920 Well, that is now behind us. I guess what's left 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:59.360 is the Super Bowl. But of course we have to 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.400 get to what some sortant to us, which is the fights. 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.120 And there are a bunch of them this weekend. Today 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:05.960 on the show, we're gonna sort of quickly recap some 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.520 of the numbers that came out from USC through twenty four, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.679 which are basically universally good. We're gonna talk about those 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.360 and what they mean. Then we're gonna get lean Heavy 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.600 USC three twenty five main event, main card, prelim card, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.640 the whole nine yards supposed to have an update for you. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.320 One of the fights did fall out and under comical circumstances, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:24.679 I think is maybe one of the better ways to 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.919 put that. And then of course at around twelve thirty, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.840 we'll be joined by Sean Zittel, who's gonna walk us 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.000 through the entire weekend in boxing, one of the great 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.320 boxing scribes of our time. Give us a follow on 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.880 social media you can see down below there's Morning Combat 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:43.080 as well as for me and then Chuck himself. Chuck, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.920 do you have any work to plug over at old 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.919 Yahoo related to this weekend's fights. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.840 We've got like a big so Yahoo itself, the parent 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.760 company has like they wanted us to do like a 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.000 big kind of preview of all the things because we 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.200 got three pretty pretty good one Mega Boxing event and 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:00.799 a couple of other box same as plus the Royal 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.839 Rombo I know you're into that and then us yes, yeah, 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.000 so we wanted to make sure that it was all 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.320 one stop shopping. So that's up, and I've got like 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.160 a round table with Pezz Carroll that's running right now, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:12.680 just asking all the burning questions. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.120 You know, very good. We have one day left for 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:19.519 merch sales, one day, so you can go get the 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:24.239 Stranger Danger design tomorrow at midnight. We all turned back 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.200 into a pumpkin. So if you've been putting this off 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.639 and you want to do it, now is the time. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.200 And of course you can go to Morning Combat Dot Shop. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.960 Let's bring in our third member here of the program. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.600 He is well sober and sometimes not. You just never 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:44.080 know what you're gonna get when he's on the game. Hey, Luke, what's. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:45.160 Up, dude? How you doing? 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:45.880 Guys? How are we doing? 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.320 Chuck? What I was gonna ask? 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.640 Are you guys in Long Island dealing with what we're 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.920 dealing with here, which what they're calling snow crete, not 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.600 concrete but snow. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.600 First of all, Luke, it's on Long Island. Anyone would 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.040 know that. But anyways, yeah, they actually have a how 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.120 about that they had this whole overnight thing in my 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.000 town two nights ago where they brought in like bulldozers 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.320 to bulldoze out all the excess snow because it was 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.280 just piling up and like you said, freezing and it 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.360 was making the town like impossible to walk through. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:17.719 So yeah, we're dealing with some ship here. 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.919 We're supposed to get more too, like today tomorrow, I 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.280 don't know, but not looking forward to it. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.600 How the mood ahead of the UC three twenty five 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.320 for you is what I mean. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.240 I'm I told you last three fights man are actually 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.960 like really exciting the card as a whole. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:36.000 I don't think he's as exciting as an aussy, you know. 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.359 I'm looking forward to it full card. Watch along by 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.599 the way, main Carmen it tune. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:44.520 In as an ausy. Oh wait wait you have Australian citizenship. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:45.359 Yeah, motherfucker. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.280 The Australian person in human history. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.760 No, I'm the least Australian Australian in human history. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.440 Maybe, but you know, like I just disappears himself like 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:57.000 that's good. 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.120 Yeah he is, Uh, he's good for that. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.839 Probably the clouds that's new, that's should show. 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.000 We should make your transition into and off the screen, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.440 just like like smoke getting shot onto. 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.320 The what's that little dude of the little green dude 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.320 in the Flintstones who like would appear like that's what 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:13.880 it's like, you know what I'm talking about. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.279 Like a little green alien whatever? 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.799 Yes, yes, Chuck, what's your coverage plan for the weekend? 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:19.880 Uh? 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.640 I think that Uh, I don't have like this one. 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:24.760 You know what's funny is I for the longest time 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.360 for all week. And I guess it's because I was 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.279 so caught up in last week's festivities. I thought that 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.120 this was an early card for us. I thought this 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.640 was like one of those two PM type things. Yeah, 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.000 but you know, I only learned this morning that it 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.000 was not. So I'll have a late night doing some 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.279 uh you know, recaps and all that stuff. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.320 But that's about it. I'll have a column coming out. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.440 I always have a post fight column, and then we'll 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.840 have like some rankings, the pound for pound rankings that 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:49.520 will be updated. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.800 Got vulk on there, so there should be some movement. 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.279 All right, Well, we have a lot to get to 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.360 so we started a little bit late. So without further ado, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.440 let's get this party started. Topic number one. Let's quickly 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.440 recap UFC three twenty four. Not the results themselves, we've 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.159 been over that, but some of the numbers that came out, Chuck, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.120 I want to read these to you and then we're 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.440 going to contextualize them. So what they said was the 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.680 UFC three twenty four posted an average minute audience of 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.680 four point nine six million views as they as well 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.520 as reaching seven point one eight million global households and 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:25.320 then peaked with five point nine to three million concurrent streams. Also, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.160 what they said after the fact, you could see here 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.640 trend on x they were number one for six consecutive hours. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.600 They had nearly two hundred thousand more mentions versus UFC 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.839 through twenty three, which is not surprising and for no 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.240 other reason it was a much better card, but the 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.919 number one most social event of the night across broadcast, 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.680 cable and streaming. So a lot of pretty good numbers. 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.080 And then there's one more that I actually thought was 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.520 pretty interesting was that they claimed to have added a 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.800 million subs chuck, just from this one event. So I 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.720 actually went back and I looked at this, What were 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.719 some other places that had added numbers, and so here's 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.000 what I found. Peacock, for example, for the NFL wild 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.880 Card exclusive which was Dolphins Chiefs in January of twenty 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:07.080 twenty four. They added two point eight million set signups. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.920 But that's you know, exclusive NFL Wildcard, that's pretty big. 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.800 Paris Olympics in late July two point eight million sign ups, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.640 Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson, one point four to three 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.640 million sign ups, NFL Christmas Day. This was from twenty 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.360 twenty four, so it was a three day window. They 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.360 added about seven hundred thousand sign ups. And then, lastly 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.120 and most importantly, UFC Fight Night Debut and ESPN Plus. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.720 This was January of twenty nineteen in Brooklyn. I was 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:35.320 there that day. Five hundred and seventy thousand new subscribers 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.000 over the course of two days. Now, again, none of 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.480 these are apples to apples, and even that twenty nineteen 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.880 figure streaming was just not as prominent as it is now. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:43.840 But Chuck, there's basically no way to look at this 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.800 and say these numbers are bad. How good they are, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.480 I think remains to be seen. What is your reaction overall? 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:48.880 How do you. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.720 Understand what kind of performance this had? 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.080 You know, man, I don't know how you felt exactly, 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.760 about like where this would end up on Paramount Plus. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.480 For me, there was a little worry, right because when 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:04.240 they went to ESPN Plus, they were kind of the flagship. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.840 They were the reason to get ESPN plus. They were 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.600 the full reason, right Like it was like they're bringing 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.400 in Okay, now, everybody come over here and we can 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.000 watch the fights. It wasn't the pay per views, but 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.200 it was the fights. I worried a little bit about 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:20.040 Paramount Plus already having existed and now going head to 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.040 head obviously for a long time or at least a 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.200 relatively long time with Netflix and all the others. Would 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:26.840 it just be a woodwork product? Like would it be 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:28.760 a product they're bringing in that's a big deal, but 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.560 would it just be just another product rather than a 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:36.600 flagship type thing. But I think that these numbers they're 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.800 very impressive. For that reason, I wasn't sure, like when 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.120 you mentioned the five hundred and seventy thousand from twenty 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.960 to nineteen, you know, to double that essentially, you know, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.680 somewhere in that vicinity is a big deal because sometimes 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.000 when you're inside of the sport like we are, you 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.400 kind of lose track of what's happening on the outside. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.920 It's such a widespread thing now that it's hard to 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.480 keep tabs on. You know, is the sport growing like 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.080 we think it is, or is it like, is it 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.120 stagnant or what's happening? So to me, man, when you 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.960 see numbers like that, and and I still think that 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.280 the pandemic and some of the things that happened within 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:17.480 the ESPN plus era probably helped the audience really really 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.000 build to what it is now. But to get a 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:24.160 million subs just like that, that that seems like a 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.240 home run. And you know the numbers you mentioned, I 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.760 think the first one on Fox correct me if you like, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.400 if you if you have these numbers too, the first 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.680 time that they win twenty eleven. It's hard because, like 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.280 you said, it's not apples to apples. Now you're looking 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.440 at a different era. But wasn't the number something like 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.720 five five and a half million tuned in for that? 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.559 And I can remember at the time in twenty eleven, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.960 I think it was We thought that that was just 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.760 an astronomical number to tune in and watch a UFC fight. 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:50.959 You remember this, and we were like. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.720 Yes, it was a little it was Again, it's not 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.839 quite apples to apples for a few reasons, not least 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.240 of which was the member. The main event lasted right 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.240 forty five or whatever it was. It peaked with about 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.600 eight million, right peaked about, but had an average audience 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.640 of about five right right right around this. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.079 But I mean, but that seemed absolutely astronomical to us. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.720 And I think at the time, where like, who knew 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.760 that UFC would ever ascend to a level where eight 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.840 million people, you know, would tune in and watch an 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:23.600 event like that. You've cut forward to now fifteen years 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.920 whatever it is, fourteen years and you get this number, 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.800 and it's less shocking because the thing has been moving 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.720 in that direction. But it's not something to take for 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.679 granted when you get those kind of numbers. Man, I mean, 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.720 that's that is tough to do when you have so 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.240 much competition out there, with all the different streaming service 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:40.520 and all the different sports and everything. 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.240 So in my mind, I was like, man. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.640 It's it just it's a testament that the UFC is still, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.760 if not as popular, it's if it's not growing, it's 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.600 as popular right now as it's ever been. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:55.160 Right, I'm not so sure. And when I say I'm 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:56.880 not so sure, what I mean is I'm not saying no, 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.719 I'm saying it. I mean it's weird, right because it's 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.959 more global than it's ever been. I mean about that, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.840 there's just I mean no argument whatsoever. And it also 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.880 I think has reached levels that are of cultural ascendency 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.560 that were I mean you mentioned like unfathomable. I mean 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:15.920 they're going to have a card on the White House 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.559 lawn like talk about unfathomable. Right, So in that sense, 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.920 there's like no argument about where MMA's place has gone up. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.320 But I do think it did decline in popularity, not 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.640 in a huge way chalking about like, oh my god, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.280 it was calamitous, but I think it was like a 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.520 steady kind of Chinese water torture drip during the ESPN 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.360 era for a variety of factors. And by the way, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.360 that UFC on Fox number that you're talking about, this 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.760 was Kane Velaskas versus JDS one did a three point 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.280 one rating and five point seven million viewers. Again that 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.600 was the average, not the peak, but the average for 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.280 one just a one hour broadcast. You know, if that 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:53.080 fight had gone the distance, I think they would have 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.000 done well in excess of ten million, maybe fifteen. But 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.120 the reason why I say that these numbers are great 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.680 is because they're just contestably great. A million sign ups 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:06.160 is great. Averaging five million views is great. Five point 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.120 nine to three million concurrent streams at its peak is great. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.360 The only thing to consider is these are worldwide numbers, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.000 not just the US. So again it's like, yeah, this 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.080 really short broadcast in twenty eleven, and then you've got 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.880 this much longer one, but in a completely different paradigm. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.480 All I can say is the paramount has to be happy. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.600 They have to be had, They have to be happy 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.400 with the numbers they were pulling. They have to be 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.600 happy with It was the most sign ups they'd ever 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:36.360 had from any single sporting event in that streaming services history. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:41.360 Like they're literally establishing benchmarks of performance. I would say 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.559 that one thing is kind of funny. Even with a 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.360 million signups, you can see that they're probably not going 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:46.920 to get a million sign ups this weekend. I think 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.920 they're probably gonna get a lot less, which is understandable, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.280 Which is understandable. No one's comparing the two in that sense. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.640 But even with that, like you can see, like, okay, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.240 what is that worth? Like at a top end one 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.440 hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy million. Of course, 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.000 you're not going to scale that over the course of 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.040 a year plus, there's going to be churn on the 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.120 back end. In other words, again, I'm not saying I 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.680 like the ads. I wish there were no ads. I'm 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.640 asking Paramount to create a tier where I don't have 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.080 to pay for ads so I can pay for that 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.960 service at point. Yeah, that said, that said, you're not 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.520 making your money back on subs, you know what I mean? Like, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.480 there's just mathematically is not going to be done. Now, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.560 let me ask this question if I maychuck, which is 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:31.440 again it's one event. We have a seven year run 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.120 to go on. Let's see what happens. But do you 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.280 think now, after seeing some of the results from UFC 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.520 three twenty four that what does it really mean to 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:45.079 take away the wall of pay per view to make 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.959 this accessible to the average sporting fan. Do you think 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.720 it actually can make a difference. That remains to be seen. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.320 I do think that right now, you know, coming out 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.520 of whatever amount of time we were doing pay per views, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.439 you know, like coming out of that and you come 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.080 into an era where the very first card is a 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.080 pay per view quality card. It's got a title implication. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.680 You're supposed to have the women's you know, goat fight 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:10.320 of all. You know, it's supposed to be on there 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.840 between a mandan Unas and Harrison. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.120 It was supposed to be even more stacked. But it 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:16.679 was free. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.320 I mean, it seemed like it's free with your sub right, Like, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:25.120 So it's that novelty, is what anybody I talk to 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.200 that's kind of more of a casual or whatever, like 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.560 this is the lure, right anybody who kind of wants 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.600 to watch the fights, but they do not buy them anymore, 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.880 or they they stream them, or they go someplace they 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.680 all get together. This was like the big novelty. I 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.360 don't know how long that will last. My big concern 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.760 is that at some point the numbered cards will just 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:47.120 kind of bleed in to the regular cards and unless 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.480 they're make them very like over the course of time 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.400 where just title fights. And I know they were already 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.960 doing those with pay per views anyway, but like there's 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.920 a big distinguishing marker. But we have seen times where 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.480 a pay per view or like a numbered card now 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.119 will come up up where there just simply aren't enough champions. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.280 You know, there aren't people around to fill that card. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.360 It'd be interesting to see what all that looks like 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.080 and how long this novelty lasts. Like, you know, at 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.160 some point, people are just gonna forget about pay per view, right, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:15.880 like the if there are no more pay per views, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.440 you just kind of you let that flow by or 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:19.160 you get past it. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.800 But I'm not sure like that. I made the. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.560 Point in a column when they when they announced this 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.000 thing that I was like, you know, it's great to 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:29.920 get past the pay per view model because nobody has 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.560 to paper, But there is something about the rallying around 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.480 and the reverence of a pay per view card that 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.600 everybody would come to those this These are the ones 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.680 that were meant to be meaningful, even the people who 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.240 are just players on the mid card, where the guys 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:42.960 that you're like, okay, but they're on this pay per view, 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.280 there was some kind of significance attached to even being 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.520 part of that, right, or at least there had been traditionally. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.600 Does all that go away? That's these are the things 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.680 that I'm like, what happens with that? 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.560 And you know, we were talking just a little bit 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.320 about like, you know, is there is it waning as 0:15:59.400 --> 0:15:59.960 interest waning? 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:00.720 And you were kind of. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.840 Saying, well, I'm not sure if it might be a 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.000 little bit, But part of that is the passion, right, 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.920 like the passion that the fans used to have. The 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.440 the hardcorees were so into it that they could almost 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.600 count on a baseline number for those pay per views. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.440 So much of that has eroded over time, and I'm 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.360 not sure how all that's going to translate. Will it 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.840 still will these will these numbered cards still have that 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.840 kind of passion attached to them, you know what I mean? 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.520 So much to be seen on this, So I think 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.320 it's kind of fascinating from from our seat, as you know, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:28.760 journalists to pay attention to. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.200 My view on this is and this is just a hunch, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.760 so take her for what it is worth. My view 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.280 on this question of like the removal of the paywall, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.240 I mean, they're still a paywall, but you know the 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.560 pay per view paywall is that it will make a 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.840 huge difference if they can marry it with both getting 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.800 a little lucky with how these main events go, and 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.560 of course that's partly engineering, but part of matchmaking is 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.840 just luck. How does a fight turn out? Right? Also, 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.480 also in terms of like they just have to make 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.680 sure that with this paramount turn, they're not just delivering 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.159 on fights that can deliver action. But there's an argument 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.960 about whether or not the UFC is still in the 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.040 interest of creating stars, and I do think that they 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.960 There might be some limit to that now, but I 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.280 think they will rather have people more popular than not, 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.159 and it does more business for them when they are plus, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.200 I don't buy that they don't have enough control exercise 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.919 that they're worried about some kind of peasant uprising. But 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.080 the point I'm trying to make is I don't think 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:31.480 by itself taking away pay per view just launches it forward. 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.200 I think it can make a huge difference if coupled 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.199 with getting a little lucky on the back end of 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.600 how the fights go, but on the front end, really 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.719 engineering the fights that people want to pay money to see, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.560 creating some new stars, really building around what the platform 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.919 can offer. I think in conjunction, it all gets turbo charged. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.560 I just don't think by itself, all of a sudden, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.000 it just unlocks all these new doors that all of 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.240 a sudden, now everyone's just going to be fans. I'm 0:17:58.320 --> 0:17:59.560 less convinced of that theory. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.200 You know, well, they also might want to nudge Dana 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.840 White a little bit, get him interested in its own 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.320 product again. And if they could do that, you know, 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:07.200 maybe they got a chest. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:07.560 You know. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.160 It was kind of funny over time during that media 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:11.920 blitz he was doing, I was thinking about this yesterday, 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:14.439 like you know. And it's also paired with the UFC 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:20.560 Seattle announcement where he was like Muehler Euler, Yeah, little 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.080 ben Stein there, and over time he got a little 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.679 bit better with it. And I'm also gonna say this, 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.960 he did so many of them that it almost had like, yeah, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.720 it was he saying a whole lot each one, maybe 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.640 not necessarily, but like the like the weight of them 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.080 in total. I think it helped that event was a success, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.399 and there's really no other way to say it. All right, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.840 Before we get to topic number two, let's remind everyone 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.119 there's only one UFC three twenty five, which of course 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.840 is this Saturday, and on DraftKings Sportsbook, the number one 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.800 sports book for live betting. Once it's over, your shot 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.080 to get in on the action is gone. 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With 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.720 that chuck, let's go to topic number two, which brings 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.119 us now to UFC three twenty five this is an 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.800 interesting one. At least it has the potential to be 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:11.520 an interesting one. So in the main event, we have 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.480 a rematch between reigning UFC Featherweight Champion Alexander Volkonowski and 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:18.240 he takes on Diego Lopez, who he fought in his 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:23.280 last contest to a pretty wide unanimous decision. Of course, 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.200 that was at UFC three fourteen in April of last year, 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.679 and as I mentioned, volk Wan a pretty wide victory. Now, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.480 there's a bit of consternation about this matchmaking. Should it 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:32.840 have been made, should it not have been made? We've 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.359 talked a lot about about that on this show. But 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.119 let's for a moment give it the benefit of the doubt, 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.440 just for the sake of argument. What are some realistic 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:47.760 scenarios in which the pre fight concerns about this matchmaking 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.560 would disappear, would fall away. What has to happen in 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.399 this fight for people to say, you know what, it 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:54.480 actually worked out great? 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:55.960 Well? 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.639 I think that the first thing is, do you remember 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.600 the kind of the context as we went into that 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.119 fight the last time? Like, so, Diego got the fight 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.119 and uh, I think a lot of people viewed him 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.920 as one of the heavier punchers in the division, if 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.359 not one of the best, you know. I remember Dany 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.240 Gay right was after he'd fought Diego. He's like, dude, 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.680 this guy throws with full power on every shot he delivers, 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.520 and you feel everything Volkanovsky had coming off of a 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.600 couple of knockouts, and it was almost like you were like, 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.760 can he survive? I remember that I thought there might 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.200 be a little bit of an onslaught from Diego Sanchez, 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.679 Diego Sanchez, Diego Lopez early in that fight, and it 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:34.520 may not get out of the first round, that Vulk 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.879 may be susceptible to that. What happened instead was we 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.919 got this. If it wasn't a masterclass, it was certainly 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.720 like a return to some kind of vintage form of Volkanovsky. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.200 And I think that when he was just kind of 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.879 piecing him up, landing on the counters, just you know, 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.720 thwarting anything that Diego was kind of coming at him, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:55.000 and then actually making Diego a little bit, you know, 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.200 afraid to pull the trigger. You could see it all 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.919 unfolding in the first round. It lost a lot of steam. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:01.639 It picked it up a couple of times in that 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.480 fight when there were moments for Diego later in the fight, 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.000 just a couple of there was a couple of big 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.959 moments where it looked like Vulk was could be in trouble, 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.560 but the pattern of that fight was kind of set, 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.560 and I think that anybody who kind of went into 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.040 that auxiliary of what we're going to go into the 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:19.200 Diego Lopez era, this is gonna be his moment kind 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.000 of like walked away from that like, wow, that was 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:23.480 anti climatic. He didn't really look like the guy we 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.639 thought he would, right. I think for this fight to deliver, 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.080 there needs to be a different tempo set in that 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.439 first round. I think Diego's got to be more you know, 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.280 deliberate with what he's doing. If he comes out there 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.440 and you know he gets in, you know he's able 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:38.840 to kind of land and it looks different like he's 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.399 he's he just looks like he's more prepared. Maybe he 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.639 was a little bit bothered by that big of a spotlight, 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:46.760 but if he just goes in there and he's able 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:50.280 to do that to Vulc early knowing Volks, you know, 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.600 you've talked about this a lot, just knowing Volk's ability 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.040 to adapt and all that stuff, and uh, you know, 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:56.480 make in fight adjustments. 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.679 I think that would look more exciting. That's just my 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:00.240 view it. 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.159 Maybe I'm a little bit too die hard on this, 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:03.879 but I feel like if Diego goes in there and 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:08.160 actually looks like the aggressive guy that he's been advertised as, 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:09.400 I think we'd have a different fight. 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:11.920 There's a weird thing I've noticed with this belt, which 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.160 is people are complaining. And again I'm not even saying 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.280 the fact I agree. I just want to say I 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.560 agree if people are complaining, like this is not the 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:22.159 fight that should have happened. To what extent do you 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.680 think the paramount focus here? Especially again, this is only 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.360 the second ever event, one week later from their very 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:30.720 first event, where if you look at the other choices 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.920 that Bulk had to fight here, Laren Murphy would have 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:34.639 been a perfectly fine fight, but I don't know what 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:38.000 kind of action it would have delivered. Conversely, with Mozar, 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.360 I think that concern. You know, again, maybe a deserving contender, 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.040 but what kind of fight does it deliver? The Diego 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.960 fight you would think. Again, I'm not saying the first 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:48.680 one was a barn burner, but it certainly wasn't bad, 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.639 and the capacity for Diego to do violence is always 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.560 pretty high. Do you think that factor in here, the 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:58.879 ability to engineer action for a audience that might be 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.800 somewhat new and or more casual than normal watching. 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:06.080 Yeah, because and also Diego reminded everybody right like he 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:10.560 comes back, he blows up Jean Silva at that Mexican 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.720 Independence card in San Antonio, like he showed everybody again 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:15.480 like this is why you want a guy like that 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.080 near the top, right, And the fact that he was 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.080 headhunting that whole fight, like you broke this down right, 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:23.960 like you've done like a full analysis of this fight, 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.000 because it was. 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:29.720 Like three quarter I didn't finish the whole thing, all right, but. 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.120 See he kind of you know, even in the even 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:33.960 in the last round, like you know, as the fight 0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:35.600 went on in the championship rounds, it was just like 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.720 he was still looking to land that shot that was 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.919 going to equalize the whole thing, which is there is 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.600 there is something to say about that kind of excitement, 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.080 you know. And even there's a fourth round exchange where 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.760 he hurt Volkanowski and Volkanowski was reduced to just like 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.320 you know, dropping changing levels, trying to go for singing, 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.280 like looking for the takedown because he was trying to recover. 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:58.000 I think that that kind of thing is going to translate. 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.440 Like you mentioned, you know, if you give to most 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.639 are who I think is fully deserving. But you know 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:05.639 that guy has only went to decisions and all of 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.720 his UFC fights to this point, he's won them all. 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.240 But do you really want to usher in an era 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:13.080 where you have Mozar all of a sudden as you're 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:17.080 champion after five rounds and you know everybody's asleep by 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:18.879 the end of it. And it's unfair to say, but 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:20.679 that's kind of the way his fights in some of 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.600 his fights have gone, and and larn was obviously like 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:26.120 he had a big knockout last time. But I think 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.240 for the bang for your buck, if you think about 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.560 it from the engineering standpoint, you're mentioning, Diego just has 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.240 that head, he has the look, he has the head 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:34.080 hunting quality. 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:37.480 You know, the B role is gonna look very nice 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:37.880 for him. 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.200 And you could actually point out, even from that first 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:42.359 fight the offense that he did have, Like right, you 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.160 could just zero in on that and you have kind 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.480 of instant drama as to how it might play out. 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.919 So I think that he was kind of obvious. You know, 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.680 he's an obvious guy from the UFC's perspective to jump 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:53.000 in there. 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:55.920 You know what's really interesting to me about this fight 0:25:56.040 --> 0:26:01.720 is this is how do I say this exactly? This 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:05.639 is to me. The way in which this has the 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.320 capacity to be interesting to me is if it answers 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.320 one or both questions. So one, we kind of already 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:14.520 know that Vulcan is chinny. In fact, as you indicated, 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.119 he got dropped in that fight, it was not a 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.600 huge punch that dropped him, nor was he like terribly rocked. 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.360 I think it also just kind of knocked him off 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.760 balance a little bit, but it did drop him. And 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:26.600 I think he's always been a little bit chinny, but 0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.679 his recoverability is quite great. To what extent does that 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.840 get tested or show itself to be even more compromised 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:34.920 this time? That could be kind of interesting. If he 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.119 wins four rounds then gets beamed in the fifth, and 0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.239 here's Diego winning, and it's like, you know, you can 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.520 only say it's because father time got to him, right, 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.160 because otherwise this would not have been a fight ending 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.160 scenario previously. Conversely, though, and this is the big one 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.000 for me, dude, if you watch that first fight. I 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.120 did a substack watch along with it, and I wanted 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.000 to pull my hair out watching this fight. 0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:59.680 Diego Lopez, I'll do that, then you're gonna be the 0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:00.159 second man. 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:09.520 You don't want that, Yeah, Diego Lopez didn't cage cut 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.960 in this fight at all. And I don't know to 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:17.000 what extent people know fully what that means or understand 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.320 the importance of it. But it's really basic idea. All right, 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.480 if you have here's here's me, and here's me and 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.280 my opponent. Right, if this is the octagon behind them, 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:30.200 octagon behind me, If they move, I don't just follow 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.880 them wherever they go. When they move, I cut them 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:38.399 off laterally, right, I cut them off laterally. And it's 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.680 insane to me that you have a guy like Vulk 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:46.720 who uses motion and movement both to set up strikes 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.840 as well as to turn his opponent to escape when 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:53.960 he wants to, to set up his jab, to set 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.600 up his step up leg kick, all the things he 0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.639 likes to do. It's all predicated on motion. And the 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.800 times in which Diego had better luck with some exception 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:08.399 was when he backed up Volkanowski and then when he 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:10.480 narrowed his space and he almost did it by accident 0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:14.440 rather than genuine understanding. And it's a whole team issue, 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:16.840 that whole team he comes from. These people don't do it. 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:19.679 I actually was speaking to some MMA coaches about this 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.440 in preparation for today's show, Chuck, and they none of 0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.479 them knew what the answer was, like why these fuckers 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.800 don't cage kut? Like why how is that possible? And 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.280 their answer was they think that they may not necessarily 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.520 train in a cage, because if you trained in a cage, 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.320 you have to be kind of mindful of how the 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.240 space is distributed. But if you're just on an open mat, 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.080 people are just kind of moving and circling and orbiting 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.560 around each other without necessarily a ton of consideration given 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:49.560 to how that should be localized. If you take away 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.400 Volks movement, a guy whose game is predicated on movement, 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:56.800 then you go from, in my view, having a puncher's 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:00.000 chance to a genuine chance. Right. I'm still my favorite 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.160 no matter what, because he's got so many tools, you 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.640 know what I mean. But if he doesn't cage cut 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.040 and we're three rounds into this, I'm. 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.560 Gonna pull out a revolver and shoot my motherfucking screen 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:12.320 because you'd just be watching a version of the same 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:14.520 fight right and then and then and then the drama 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.920 is completely out of it off with this. To me, 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.000 a worst case scenario is like, it's basically just the 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.920 first fight redone again because one guy refused to learn 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.880 a foundational lesson. Of the people who don't understand this, 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:31.960 it's not just Evolk uses all that movement. It's that 0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:34.120 a lot of times when he gets into trouble he's 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.080 able to just walk and reclaim center position in the octagon. 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.400 It's like, dude, you cannot surrender territory like that to 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:42.480 a fighter this good. 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:46.240 I don't care how senior he is. It's it's suicide. 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.520 It's suicide. So I gotta tell you. If he starts 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.920 to cage cut Chuck, I'm like, okay, now we're in business. 0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:55.680 This is much more cut. 0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.520 But if he doesn't, he doesn't, I'm gonna fly to 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.280 wherever he is and be like, what the fuck doud. 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.640 And if you watch like the first Like in the 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.600 first fight, do you remember part of the commentary they 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.600 go to the corners in the first round and they 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.720 kind of hear the instruction. Do you remember the criticism 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.200 coming out of that was that they're like, hey man, 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.400 you know you gotta be more gross get after him 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.680 like break, you know, without any technical advice whatsoever. 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:20.400 To Diego. They were just kind of telling him, like, 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:22.840 do better, man, do better. You remember this. 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:24.600 Joe Rogan was kind of he was like, dude, tell 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.239 him how to do it. Like you're not telling him 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.040 how to do it. It will be it will be 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:32.360 hugely disappointing if he shows up and you feel like 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:36.160 he didn't learn anything, because I can guarantee you Volkanovsky 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.520 who sometimes does it in fight, like you see him 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:39.880 doing things where he's like, you know what, off the 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.400 off these brakes that left that left hand can land 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.960 pretty like you was doing both counters, like you could 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.880 see him doing that in real time. You know, he's 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.480 coming back with his adjustments and he's gonna kind of 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.600 be prepared probably for even what you're talking about, Like 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.080 he'll be prepared for a better version of Diego. But 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:58.480 if Diego shows up the same man, he's gonna get worked. 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.000 Just think about it this way. Imagine I realized that 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.040 the first Volkanovski fight is not like the first or 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.280 the first vocal Lopez is not like Patty Gaichi and 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.000 says that, you know, the scores are pretty similar, but 0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:14.360 Patty took much more of a beating, right, Yes, okay, 0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.440 but imagine somebody went to you and said, okay, Patty's 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.960 got nine months to get a rematch in. You know, 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:22.120 you're not saying he couldn't do a few things differently, 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.200 but he showed Geichie a lot of what he can 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:28.360 do and was just left wanting this is a case 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:33.520 where there's a wide open fix available now. How much 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:35.760 he can take advantage of it is certainly remains to 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.760 be seen. But it's not one of those things where 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.480 it's like, well you kind of showed him your cards, 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.520 you don't really have anything left. There is a massive 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.840 gap in what he's able to fix. So to me, 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.240 it's like, dude, this is like, no bullshit. This is 0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.240 a test of like, is Diego Lopez an idiot? And 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:54.840 I'm being serious. I'm not saying that he is. I'm 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:56.840 not saying that he is. What I'm saying is we're 0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.720 gonna get a where is he? A fucking yeah, because 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.480 we're about to find out that answer on Saturday night. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:05.920 Well, man, I mean, honestly, that's that hypes it up 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:07.680 better than a lot of what I've seen, Like I 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:09.960 mean to me that if that's the stakes, that's that's 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.800 not bad because I think sometimes you do need to 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:16.200 know does a fighter do they have and IQ that way, 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.320 part of what you're talking about is you knew he 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:19.800 wasn't going to adjust in that fight. 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.000 You knew that he was going to keep doing what 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:22.640 he was doing. 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.920 And therefore, you know, when we talk about plan b's 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.880 and stuff, there was no plan B, you know what 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:30.480 I mean, Like he was showing you exactly what he's 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:30.880 going to do. 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.200 I'm looking at the numbers here if my if memory 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.960 serves yes, in fact it does. So he tried to 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.640 play Lopez tried to play like hurry up offense on Vulcan. 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.480 If you notice he doesn't effectively cage cut except that 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.040 he stands a little bit closer to Vulk in the 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.360 fifth round. But what ends up happening is number one, 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.480 he gets no tickdowns, he doesn't try for any, but 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.480 like you know, there's no it didn't change the game 0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.680 up is what I'm pointing out. And also he landed 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:05.920 fewer than he did in rounds four and in rounds 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.360 two of the other rounds he only landed single digits. 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:09.960 So the other ones where he landed double digits, this 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.440 was the few the fewest amount of them, and vulk 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.640 landed the most on him of any round in the fifth. 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.600 So like, in other words, without effectively cage cutting, just 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:20.800 kind of standing up on top of a guy, he 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.280 got lit on fire for it is this is what 0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:26.320 I mean, man, Like, I want to see what you're 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.360 made of, because of course he can beat good guys 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.600 no matter what. Right, he's dangerous, you know, yeah, but 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.440 against the guy who can think. 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:34.479 That's what it is? 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:36.800 You're right, And you know what's so funny, man, I 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.840 pointed this out to you before, like before this fight. 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:41.560 That fight happened in April. I had talked to. 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.200 Diego Lopez for a feature the December, so December of 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:48.080 twenty four. This is back when they were still deciding 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.600 if you'd fight a yeah year or if you would 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.720 end up getting Volkanovsky. And I can remember, man, he 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.480 was like, I want Vulkanov. His his whole team where 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.920 they were like, we want Volkanovsky. They felt so confident 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.400 that they were just going to be able to go 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.800 through Volkanovsky and that would USh you know, obviously you're 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:06.200 gonna have a title, and that would be that. 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:09.320 It didn't work. 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.880 And I feel like that they're still like if you 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.319 from what I've caught, I still feel like they have 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:17.279 the same mindset that way, like, hey, the first time 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.160 was a little bit of an anomaly or whatever it's going 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.120 to be, but it'll be different the second time. The 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.360 second time is going to be what we originally imagined. 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.000 And uh, I think you're right, man. It really does 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.480 come down to is he going to do the things 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:33.320 that will be winning you know, winning formula against Volkanovsky 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.920 because it's very difficult if you look at the Holloways 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.400 like series and you've probably broken this one down too, 0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.759 because I know that you've studied Max a lot, like 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.520 in terms of what he's able to do, but how 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.800 Vulk was able to beat him down the stretch, like 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.880 as the fight you know, more fights and more you know, 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:52.040 more knowledge of what he's doing. That was what was remarkable, right, 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:53.920 Like It's just that you're like, dude, this guy's always 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.440 got something. He's he's such a thinking man that he's 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.200 always going to figure out where where his openings are. 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.600 It's like watching a quarterback sacked a defense. He knows 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.759 what you're bringing. He's gonna exploit this. He can explit this, 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.799 and once you try to cover that, he's gonna exploit this. 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.120 That's how he fights. So if if Diego just shows 0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.840 up kind of like thinking, well he is chinny and 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.480 I know why I can catch him this time, that's 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.680 just I'm not sure that's the wisest move for him. 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.080 It's just puncher's chance. That's glorified punches. 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.600 That's how he I mean, that's what it looked like. 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.040 He looked like he was like, as soon as I 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.000 land the shot, that's what I need to do, and 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:24.719 that's how I win. 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:26.200 Right, Like he was just headhunting. 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:31.960 Uh, if Vulk loses stoppage or otherwise, let's ask this, Okay, 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.200 in the event that Vulk loses, does he retire? Is 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.000 there an automatic trilogy? Walk me through what happens? 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:38.440 Okay? 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.080 So, like if he got smoked in the first round, 0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.040 like in a way that you're like, oh god, that 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:43.920 was hard to watch. 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.120 It'd be tough, wouldn't it. 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:47.840 Like I just feel like it'd be tough for Volkanowski 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.200 because you'd be like, he's probably not going to be 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:51.839 in mine for a trilogy because I don't think people 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.000 would want to necessarily see it. I don't think the 0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:56.799 UFC would want to put it together. And at that point, 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.719 I'd be like, man, what is left for volkanovs? Get 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:00.440 this point? A guy who went thirteen know in that 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.680 division to start his career beat a who's who, Like 0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.560 I mean, his legacy is so if I would he 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.040 have like four or five title defenses he went up, 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.600 he had that great fight against Islam, the first one 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.399 and obviously the second one did not go anywhere near 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.080 his way. I just think that what are you gonna do? 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.800 You know what, what are you gonna do? The fights 0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:20.160 you're going to get at that point, you're gonna be 0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:21.600 back behind the eight pill. You're probably gonna have to 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:23.640 get through somebody to even get a title shot. And 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:25.960 at that point, what are he thirty eight? You know 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:27.759 what I mean? Like you're gonna be very late in 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.200 your thirties. And I don't see why he would continue. 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.640 Now if it's a fight where it's back and forth, 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:37.439 maybe controversial scorecards, whatever, it is like just a good 0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:39.480 a good fight. I felt like then the trilogy, like 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.680 if he loses on the scorecards, you'd probably have to do. 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.680 He's earned that, right, like the kind of like you know, 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.520 status as a as a as a featherwaight go to 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.120 kind of get that right, Like I feel like you'd 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:50.839 have to give it to him. 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:53.279 Then, yes, I fully agree with that. I think your 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.840 diagnosis is correct. You saw the way and the excuse 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:57.279 be the well the face off from the way in. 0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.640 There's also a pick of a Vulcan in an apron 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:03.200 he was he was a chef chopping the block or 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:05.680 like I got a sense of humor that he's got 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:10.560 the cw was that cooking with Cooking with Vulcan Championship 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:15.279 the cmvv WV excuse me, my glasses don't work as 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.560 well as they need to c WV cooking with Vulcan. 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.279 He's got good spirits. You know, this is an interesting fight. 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.319 If this is an interesting fight, if Diego finds a 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.920 way to make it interesting. But the Max comparison I 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.680 think is really interesting, right because first fight was close, 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.040 second fight started out with Max on a heater, and 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.439 then Vulcan rallied back, and then in the third one, 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.400 Vulk just ran away with it. You know what. I 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.120 so like over time there's a sense of even with 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.839 guys who have good ideas, he gets better over time too. 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.239 He's not shutting that cage we need. I hope there's 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.320 a I hope we have live footage if you watching that, 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:50.080 I'm gonna. 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:52.400 So so I'm gonna do a watch along, just not 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.879 for the whole card, but just for that fight. And 0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.200 if he does a cage cut, I'm telling you, I'm 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:03.040 pulling out two fucking glock nineteens and I'm just gonna 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:07.839 be like Deadpool, just shooting that fucking whole setup, furious 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.960 that I wasted my life watching it. But I'm not 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:14.000 I'm not predicting' not paying for and I'm hopeful that 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:15.560 Diego proved, you know, proves. 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:17.560 That he's got uc UFC once. 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:19.800 Like right, their druthers would be that you get do 0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.799 because obviously, like if you are making a mostar fight 0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.000 at some point at least there's a backstory there, at 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.160 least you can play on something and like you've got 0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.279 some you know, better options for him. 0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.680 Also not for nothing, but they've got one female Brazilian 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.320 champion and Mackenzie Dern, and they've got one male champion 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:40.040 in Poloton and that's it. And I'm not saying that 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:43.880 they're trying to engineer an artificially high number of Brazilian champions, 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:47.080 but I am saying it's obviously an important market to them. 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.880 So you know, putting a Brazilian in there and as 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:51.240 opposed to a Russian. 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.200 Or is he Mexican now, I mean like he's well. 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:55.840 That's the that's the best part you can kind of 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:57.759 least to the Mexican audience and. 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.040 They want you know, that's true. 0:38:59.080 --> 0:39:01.319 Man. Let's talk about the rest of that main car 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:05.359 here in topic number three, and you know what, I 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.560 was discussing this with Long Island Luke. The top three 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.920 fights on this card are great, So let's start with 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:11.959 the other two ones in addition to the main event 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.040 that make this great, because after that there is a 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:15.600 bit of a drop off. I just think it's fair 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.080 to say that. So let's start with that Cole Maine event. 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:20.080 If we can't hear Chuck, Dan Hooker and Ben to 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.799 Wat Saint Deny they square off in As we mentioned, 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.560 this will be the the comin event on the UFC 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.080 three twenty five card. Would the winner here be a 0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:32.320 number one contender, a BMF number one contender or neither 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:33.960 or potentially even both. 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:39.640 What happens here, Wow, the BMF would be more realistic 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.960 to me, right, even though like I feel like the 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:45.200 BMF is like for old school guys who've been around 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.279 for a while. But Dan Hooker, it's crazy, man, because 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:50.680 the dude's Dan Hooker, I know exactly. 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:51.520 That's what I was gonna say. 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.200 For some reason, when I think of Dan hook I 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:54.680 always think of him like, ah, he's been around since 0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:57.080 like in the UF seasons twenty eighteen, something like that, 0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:00.880 twenty fourteen man, like he's he's been around for a while. 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.600 I don't maybe he doesn't have the same you know, 0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:08.800 I don't know, like kind of reputation as a Donald CERRONI, 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:10.759 although he's got to be closer now than he ever 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.920 has or like justin Gaegee, But the dude is kind 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:15.640 of proving it over the course of time when you 0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.800 look at who he's fought, you know, just his willingness 0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.960 to fight. And obviously he's returning even on short notice 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:23.799 after being subbed out in his last swing his arm 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.120 on unfairly short notes this three or four months, like 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:28.680 he's jumping right back in there to fight another beast. 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:32.040 Within that division, So I feel like, you know, he 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.080 would warrant that sort of thing, and then it would 0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.439 be like, and there's been one like does he kind 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:40.560 of fit that BMF thing too? I mean, he's certainly 0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.520 got like that, that kind of style, you know what 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.520 I mean, like that kind of attitude. 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.200 So I think it would be more in play for that. 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.640 I just think that the recent slip ups, even though 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:53.319 I think San Deni has kind of proven that he's back, 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.200 especially that last fight where it was like, what was 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.319 his sixteen seconds that he went through? Uh, Darius, Like, 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.719 he's kind of proven to me that he's back and 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:05.719 that those losses he suffered earlier were maybe more anomalies 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:07.360 than you know, than we when we were saying at 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.200 the time. I still think that that dude has a 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.120 chance to be a champion in the division. 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:16.279 The Patty equation here is interesting to me because let's 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:17.839 think about it, right, So let's say Ben was Saint 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:18.400 Denie wins. 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.600 That's a great point too. Yes, yes, they could him 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:22.719 well do that. That's the thing. 0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:26.160 It's like Patty's thirty one something like that, thirty one, 0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:28.600 so he still got some time left. But I don't 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.000 know what part of the problem for me in that 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:31.640 fight with Geigee was like he showed him all he 0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:35.880 had and it was like, well, yeah, came up short anyway, 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.560 Yeah that's not not enough, not enough to buy this 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.120 ice cream today, you know what I mean? At the corner, 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:48.000 t end So what do you do with him? Yeah? 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.239 Do you do you give him the loser of the 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.120 BMF match? Do you give him the loser of this match? 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:55.319 Do you give him the winner of this match? Because 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.400 you can imagine BSD versus Patty that's a more competitive 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.359 and interesting, interesting five by virtue of how what would 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.080 happen on the ground, you might imagine. But do you 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.120 want to put him in that scenario or do you 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.360 try to rebuild Patty based off of If Dan Hooker 0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.680 loses this one, there's obviously the fight you can easily 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.080 make and then you send BSD onto either the number 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.080 one contender for BMF or the bare minimum that you know, 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.200 maybe you make star Yuki and fight him or something 0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:22.160 like that. Does that sound like a plausible scenario to you? 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.040 I think if pat like it's a great point with 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:28.880 Patty pimblet Like, I think, if if Patty, if you 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:31.480 can make Patty Pimblet against Hooker. I think you'd do 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:35.439 it because one, I do think that the UFC likes 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.719 Patty enough where they're like they would want to rebuild him. 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.239 I don't think you'd want to throw them in there 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:40.880 and just be like, here this is You're going to 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.120 be an underdog in this fight, and this could be 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.719 a you know, basically it for you in terms of contendership. 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.640 I think that you throw them in against Hooker and 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.920 you know, he should win that fight, right, like, like 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:53.239 on paper, he should win that fight. 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:54.920 That's a good fight, and they have the bad Blood. 0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:58.080 I just think that you got, like the way that 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.480 Paramount plus, like you're saying about engineering, I feel like 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.640 maybe that would make more sense for them, especially if 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.120 they're I haven't really talked to this, but doesn't it 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.920 seem like they're going for more of a cinematic feel anyway, 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.240 Like the bad Blood may translate way different than Paramount 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.879 plus era than it did for ESPN Plus because now 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:18.239 you're talking about a streaming service that actually incorporates dramas 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:20.480 and shit into their product. You see, like what's his name? 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:23.560 The ghost space walking back behind uh, you know whatever 0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.719 the you know for the Scream seven or whatever the 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:27.760 hell it was, like they had the guy they hadn't 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:29.920 walk in like through the thing. I'm like, they may 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.200 be incorporating that sort of thing. It's a bit of 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:34.680 a tangent. But dude, there might be like more of 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.680 a bad blood may mean more, like the drama of 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.839 the fights may mean more to this era than they 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:40.560 did previously. 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.200 I would imagine they would want to get on board 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.560 with that in terms of the upside here for me, 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:48.719 let's talk about the fight itself. Can I just tell 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:50.200 you one of the problems I have with it. It's 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.480 that Hooker just went up against a kind of guy 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:56.160 who's gonna try and wrestle and submit him. Which fine, Okay, 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.440 I don't That's not a reason to not do it. 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.239 I'm just saying it doesn't make it like a fresh 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.400 challenge in that way. I know it's the first time 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.439 he's faced in this particular opponent. But what I'm trying 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:06.560 to say is, dude, that that guitar fight was not 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.040 that long ago, and Hooker got fucked up in that fight. 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.959 It's like, I've interviewed Hooker before. Do you remember after 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.719 Do you remember when Hooker fought Edson Barboza. It was 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:19.200 on Fox, I believe, and Cormier was commentating that fight. 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.800 And Cormier was on the broadcast begging, screaming at the referee, 0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.200 not screaming, but yelling right for the fight to be stopped. 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:26.799 I interviewed. 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.239 I interviewed Hooker after that, and I was like, Bro, 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.920 aren't you concerned about like the amount of damage? He's 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:32.200 like no. 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:33.800 I was like, I'm. 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.040 Sorry, what? And his answer was well, because I distributed 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.120 it head to toe, so I don't have to worry 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:42.000 about too much concentration of damage in any one kind 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:43.440 of place. And I'm like, I don't think that's how 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:44.799 that works, bro, I don't. 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:48.240 That's not That sounds like all these philosophy on the ropes. 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.600 You know, he's trying to like send us absorb the shots. 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:53.640 It's like, you're gonna get fucked up doing this. So 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:55.560 I don't think that's the thing. So here he is 0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:59.160 returning relatively quickly against an opponent who has a pretty 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.839 good chance of doing this same kind of thing. I 0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.920 like the matchmaking as such, like Dan Hooker versus BSD, 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.480 but the particular realities that they're bringing at this moment 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:10.880 I'm a little concerned for Dan Hooker, if I'm being honest. 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.520 Well, same here. I mean when they made the fight, 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:16.480 and sometimes you just look at the momentum of fighters 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.799 and again, but I did this with Dustin Pourrie back 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.440 in the day when he was fighting Santai and I 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:24.680 was thinking, dude, they're just kicking the ice flow, aren't 0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:26.080 They're putting them on it, and they're like, so long, 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.640 doesn't It's been a good career and obviously he was 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:30.480 able to kind of turn things. I don't think that 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.439 Hooker is going to be able to do that, man, 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:35.880 you know, I just I don't think that that's happening. 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:37.919 You know what's weird. 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.719 The craziest thing about him, though, is that he's he's 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.000 kind of he'll surprise you a little bit sometimes, right 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.799 Like I thought when Hooker fought Gamra that that was 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.239 a for sure that was gonna be Gamrock's fight, and 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.480 even though it's super close, Hooker pulls it out and 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.040 then he kind of revives his career. I'm not saying 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.560 like he's got like he's he's got like that spirit. 0:45:57.640 --> 0:45:59.600 He's got like enough skill where he can put it 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:02.880 all together and do something. He can shock some people. 0:46:02.920 --> 0:46:07.080 But I just think that Sandini, having already had the losses, 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:08.960 especially that might Connell one where you're like, dude, that 0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:11.400 was that was uncalled for it. I feel like he 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:13.080 had to dig a little deeper and kind of get 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.759 rid of his ego again and kind of and recenter. 0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:18.480 And the guy I've seen since then looks like the 0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:20.759 marauder we thought he was going to be the whole way. 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.640 So I think this is just a bad setup for Hooker. 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:23.839 Man. 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:26.400 I think he's catching a guy at the exact wrong time. 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.000 I think you're probably right, and the winner of this, 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.640 if it's BSD, he wins via stoppage for me, the 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:35.920 winner against You'll put him in a BMF fight if 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:37.280 you want. I mean, I don't know what the UFC 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:39.000 has a vision for that or when that might be, 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.239 but that's absolutely a fight you could do. And then 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.080 you just send Hooker to fight Patty, and then you 0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:46.040 know that, really, do you like this BMF belt? 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:48.239 Now? Weren't you, like go one of the early guys 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:49.319 whos like get rid of that shit? 0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:53.040 Well, here's I mean, here's the thing. Here's why I 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.719 feel like I'm at peace with the BMF belt, at 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.359 least for right now. Number one, the person who wears 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:02.920 it gets more money. Yeah, automatically. I like that true. Secondly, 0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.320 the belt will have as much legitimacy as the person 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.239 who wears it and what they did to get it. 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.520 It doesn't on its own carry, but it has some 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:16.480 right Yeah. And dude, the way in which Max beat 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.480 gaatech you to do it, and what he represents at 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:22.880 this stage of his career and now he's going up 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:26.400 against another war horse in Charles. Does it need a belt? 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:28.760 It doesn't need a belt. It doesn't necessarily mean anything 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.719 in that sense. But I value it a little bit 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:35.280 by virtue of who occupies the office, so to speak. 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.640 Longa Lucas being a fucking hate bring him in quick. 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:41.760 Why are you racist towards Hawaiians? 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:45.840 Not at all? I just said the BMF belt is whack. 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:47.479 What you can just put on fun fights. 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:49.240 I'm all for the fighters being paid more and stuff, 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:50.799 so good for them that the belt is on the 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:51.680 line and they get more. 0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:53.239 I'm not like hating on that. 0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:55.880 But what if they change the rules in BMF fights 0:47:56.360 --> 0:47:58.480 like ten minute first rounds and shit like that? 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:00.719 Probably, dude, stupid to me? 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:02.879 Why not make it's like boxing at this point, where 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:04.719 were like Jake Paul that had a belt at one 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.640 point that was like these super fight belt or some 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.279 stupid shit like I just get rid of not here 0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:11.520 for it. 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:15.000 Sorry out he's he's a little racist against Hawaiian. 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:17.640 I don't. 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.560 Again, the belt doesn't serve a purpose other than for 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.120 marketing material, but I do think that it carries a 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.960 little bit more gravitask given who currently occupies the office. 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:28.279 The last couple especially too, I feel like if they 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:30.839 didn't get those fights like that last one especially, I mean, 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.160 if you don't get that fight, maybe it seems stupid, 0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.439 but that actually felt like something was on the line 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:37.319 and that just happened to be the accessory. 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:41.640 Max won the belt with arguably the greatest knockout in 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.840 US history. I agree, man, something to be said for that. Yeah. Now, 0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.560 another great fight on this card, if I do say 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.680 so myself. Rafaelf is Eve although we had Jed Michue 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:56.439 calling him Halfayel because he's a fucking idiot, but he 0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.680 is still not aged out from another title push. He 0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:00.680 is still kind of eligible. Here they are facing off. 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:04.240 He's Glibe against Mauricio Hoofi. Now This is an interesting 0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.520 one for me, right, Chuck, because Fazeve came up zero 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:09.560 for two against Gegee, but Gaygee's proving to be a 0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.839 little more resilient. He obviously has a fan friendly style, 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.080 so does Roofi. But it looks to me like Fazev 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.440 really now wants to make a push for a title. 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.080 He feels like I've gotten a lot of learning done 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:23.440 out of the way, and Hoofi leaving what appears to 0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:25.440 be the fighting Nerds to go train in Australia with 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.600 Volkanovski in that whole camp. A lot of uncertainty about 0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:30.640 this one. I gotta tell you, I love this fight, 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.560 but am I allowed to say that I have a 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:37.000 little bit concern that they're gonna do to Hoofi what 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.320 they did to my man who did the backflips? I 0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:41.040 forget his name. The Brasilian did the back flip? What's 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:45.960 his name? Long Island Michelle? Michelle? Yeah, where they take 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.640 a guy who's wild and exciting in order to make 0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:52.360 him good, they make him boring? What to what extent 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:55.839 are you feeling that that could be a factor given 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:57.719 that the space these two are entering this fight in. 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:02.040 God, I didn't really thought that's a great comparison though, 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.960 Like you're right, because when people were hearing Hoofy, they 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:06.800 were thinking, Okay, we could get a knockout of the 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.520 year candidate. That's crazy expectations to bring into a fight. 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.120 That seems kind of legit because I don't know if 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:15.560 his I don't know if he was going to be 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:18.440 sustainable to go in there and and do what he 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.279 had been doing. But I feel like there was like 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:24.759 some trouble in the in the Fighting Nerds. I did 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:28.120 a big piece on them last April, right before right 0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:30.160 when the things started to spiral a little bit for them, 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.400 and I talked to Hoofy in Miami and he was 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.479 with one of his coaches and they were already talking 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.799 about like starting a gym in New Hampshire. So they 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.719 were thinking about coming up to New England and kind 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:42.239 of breaking off and doing their own thing, like a 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:45.399 satellite of the Fighting Nerds. I have no idea where 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.360 that ended up, but it didn't surprise me in the 0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.400 slightest for some like given that kind of information that 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.719 he was elsewhere and I don't know, I'm I'm not 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.200 suggesting there's like acrimony between the team or whatever, but 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.040 there's I think there's been a feeling that maybe he 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:01.080 needs to because he's super young guy still, Like, I 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.680 think there's a feeling that he needs to, uh, you know, 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:05.719 pick up other elements of the game if he wants 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:08.760 to be sustainable and get a chance down the line. 0:51:09.000 --> 0:51:11.480 I hope though, like you're what you're mentioning at off 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:13.359 the top, I just hope it's not. It doesn't come 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:17.400 with a compromising his you know, excitement levels, because when 0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:19.239 you book that guy even right now, right like when 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:23.520 they booked this fight, especially against the guy like Physibe, 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:26.160 who like has put on some really fun fights that 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.640 brad Rydell, Remember that one where he just lit him 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.640 up got It was so like that's when I really 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.040 paid attention that dude, because it was just so technical 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:37.359 and clean. You make this fight and just this one 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:38.880 stood out to me. I was like, now that's a 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:40.839 fun fight. It felt to me like the kind of, 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:44.480 you know, the bang for your buck type of fight 0:51:44.560 --> 0:51:45.520 for this card. 0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:48.920 I'm looking at Phyzeve here for one thing, because it's 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.000 kind of interesting. I'm looking at the UFC stats for Physive. 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.919 PHYZIV got two takedowns on just engageing he got four 0:51:56.000 --> 0:52:00.120 takedowns on Bob Mundez, just given how bad who he 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:03.120 was on the ground against Ben was Saint Denis. I 0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:04.919 think it's a real chance you might see if Zeve 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.439 mix things up here, because Hoofi is probably still gonna 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:09.520 be real fucking dangerous on the feet, at least in part. 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:12.799 You would imagine if not in full and then on 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:14.640 the ground, how much, how much? How much could he 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:17.240 be better relative to the fight that he had against 0:52:17.239 --> 0:52:20.120 BSD Like not groundwork takes time to get better out, 0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:21.920 He's not gonna be that much better. So you may 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:23.759 not get the knockout that you're looking for here, right. 0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:25.400 It's also a possibility you may not. 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.120 But I will say that Physiv loves to play that 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:30.840 game though a little bit like he does love to 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:34.239 stand like he just likes to He likes to engauge 0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:34.600 man like. 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:35.880 He like he trusts his striking. 0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:37.360 I'm like, does it get like it's always one of 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:38.960 those things with a guy like that, you know, it's like, 0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.160 you know, you got to kind of convince him to 0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:43.160 do other things to be smart to win a fight. 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:46.200 He very well could be. 0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:47.920 You know that three fights skid where he had the 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.080 injury to uh, in the in the middle fight between 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.640 the gaychee fights, like those type of things, you could 0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.800 look at them and be like, yeah, he could have 0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:57.480 easily won the gay chie fights. You know, like if 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.600 he's just doing a little bit, if he's just going 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:04.880 about thing a little bit differently, but he kind of 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:07.680 defaults into like just mad man, you know, like kind 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.920 of swinging with the guy, and that's when he gets 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:11.799 pieced up and he always it feels like he gets 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:13.400 hurt in those type of fights. If he does that 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.279 against Hoofie, I would be like, as far as his 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.040 like I'm revving up for a title shot, that would 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:18.480 all be gone. 0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:20.760 Man, I mean, you just can't. You can't. You can't. 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:25.000 Your default can't to be incautious, right, you can't default 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:26.920 to incautious and expect that to survive. 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:31.440 Also, if excuse me, Hoofy, I feel like at twenty nine, 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:33.279 I'm not saying a loss here is like totally great, 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.200 but it's forgivable in part because if he's trying to 0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:37.839 make improvements, it's going to take some time. But with 0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.319 Phazi thirty two and ten months at the point of 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:43.520 this fight will be nearly thirty three. I'm not saying 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.040 that's over the hell either, but it's a little bit 0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:47.400 more like shit or get off the pot if a 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.200 title fight is going to happen here for you. This 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:51.239 is kind of the moment where you got around this corner, 0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:55.279 which I think the pressure's on him, Like again, it's 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:57.600 not great of hoof he loses, but it's real bad 0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:00.840 if if PHYZIV loses, given the end that he's got 0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:01.800 the potential to. 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:04.560 How good is that that division? You remember the time 0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:06.400 we were like we're doing a pre game. It was 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.160 at the studio with PC and we talked about, dude, 0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:11.040 look at all the guys coming up at lightweight. 0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:12.440 It's like one of these remember this. 0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:14.400 It was crazy and the fact that I know the 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:16.319 physique was one of these guys that you're like, you're 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:19.320 watching like, man, I mean, he's just a he's a monster, 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.759 you know, Like and the fact that he hasn't got 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.400 a title shot like these years later, it just tells 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:28.799 you how just how crazy that division is. 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:28.960 Man. 0:54:29.000 --> 0:54:31.560 And it was Gaechee obviously, like who kind of delivered that. 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.399 It was like the old guard, But that division over 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:36.360 the last few years has just been so good. And 0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.760 this this card is very like symbolic of that, because 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.919 those two fights, even if you don't love that main event, 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:44.960 if you're like, ah, the rematched, we just saw that fight. 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:47.040 I mean those two lightweight fights, man, that you should 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:48.840 tune in for those alone, right like that. It's just 0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.279 so good. Yes, I totally agree. 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:55.799 Which brings us, of course, to tie to Ivasa, who 0:54:55.840 --> 0:55:01.399 hasn't won since Abraham Lincoln was in office, and he's 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.040 fighting Talis and t Shia this weekend. The odds, by 0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:07.719 the way, currently taytou Ivasa plus two seventy, Talis and 0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:11.200 Tashera at minus three forty. Just to remind everyone, if 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:16.080 I haven't already understand the context which Taytuyvasa enters its contest, Chuck, 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.719 here is the losing streak. He lost to Gyrzenio Rosenstrike 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.720 in August of twenty twenty four. Before that, Marching Taibora 0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:26.040 in March of twenty twenty four, Before that, Volkov in 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:30.480 September of twenty twenty three, before that, Pavlovich in December 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:34.759 of twenty twenty two, Before that Cyril Gone in September 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.400 of twenty twenty two. He last won in February of 0:55:37.400 --> 0:55:39.720 twenty twenty two and he beat Derek Lewis. By the way, 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:43.200 the God lost, the Pavlovitch lost, the Volkov loss, and 0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:46.080 the tay Bora loss, all via stoppage. The Rosen Strike 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:49.080 one was a split and also Chuck Arguably the worst 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:53.520 fight ever. Is this do or die for Taytouyvasa. 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:55.839 I think it has to be. And I know, man, 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:56.480 they love him. 0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:59.279 You know, he brings in the showy thing and like 0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.359 you go in Australia, it's just it's he's like one 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.080 of those guys that you want to have on your card. 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.959 He's part of the celebration. But he has just been 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:11.400 He's been almost an anomaly. I I know that you like, 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.640 this isn't a guy that you're going to like, you know, 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:15.319 You're not gonna look at him and be like, oh 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.200 my god, Like look at all these different technical things 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:20.399 he's doing in a fight that makes him win. You're 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:23.400 not gonna do that. But he is a streaky, streaky fighter. 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:25.839 It almost reminds me like of a guy who's like 0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:28.200 playing you know, dice or something or like you know 0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:29.959 it craps and he's like he goes on a heater 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:31.560 and then all of a sudden. Once it goes cold, 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.160 it goes completely cold because before then he had won, 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.879 Like like if you look at his his Wikipedia or whatever, 0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.720 like it's just it's like all wins, bunch of losses, 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.920 all wins, bunch of losses. He does not mix it up. 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.040 It's like, so if he's able to get off to Shaneid, 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:47.640 I mean, who knows, he might go on a five 0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:50.640 fight winning straight in that division. But I feel like 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.560 at six in a row, especially like you mentioned man 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:57.840 getting finished the way he has and not really showing 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.000 a ton like maybe you maybe you can contradict me here, 0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.080 but he hasn't really shown a lot of like evolution 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:04.600 to his game. It feels like he's just kind of 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.320 like I'm gonna go in here, I'm gonna do my 0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:09.680 style and hopefully it works. You know, I don't know, 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:11.520 you can't really keep a guy like that around at 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:13.640 six right, like if you especially in that division, if 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:16.240 he gets knocked out too, Like I just he's only 0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:18.680 thirty two years old. But man, I just you don't 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:20.439 want to see a guy putting Harm's way that many 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:23.120 times who doesn't belong there at that point. Yeah, as 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:25.480 long a island Luke points out Tay two Vasa's career 0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:29.200 one three, lost three, one to five, lost five. That 0:57:29.320 --> 0:57:31.880 is so bizarre that it's like a weird that's such 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:32.880 a strange trajectory. 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:34.720 But that is so insane. I mean, I don't even 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:36.320 know what to say about this bout. It's like Tasa 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.000 Tashira is tall and he's dangerous, but he's there to 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:42.040 be hit, and Tay too, Vasa can hit. And it's like, 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:44.760 if you can't beat an opponent like this, I don't know. 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:48.480 Yeah, there may not be guys on the roster that 0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:49.439 you could beat at this point. 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:51.200 Yeah, It's just I don't know if this is gonna 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:53.280 work for you here, you know what I mean. I mean, again, 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:55.040 to your point, they might keep him because Australia and 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:55.760 all that kind of stuff. 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:57.800 But I mean, I mean, you're I'm right though, way right. 0:57:57.800 --> 0:57:59.880 There's not like you're not seeing things from fight to. 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:03.200 Oh yeah, no, I mean and again he didn't he 0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:07.560 didn't make as many boneheaded decisions in the Rosen Strike fight, 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:08.880 but he was so boring that he let the fight 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:13.240 get away from a you know, as worse. I know, 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.960 it's definitely much worse. Let me pull up the stats 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:17.600 on that one. If I can for just a second, 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:21.240 please forgive me titovasa here. This is the rosen strike God, 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:23.960 This of Jesus. He landed over the course of three 0:58:24.040 --> 0:58:27.080 rounds just thirty seven strong miles. That is anemic. He 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:32.240 landed nine, thirteen and fifteen respectively. Meanwhile, Biggie Boy landed nineteen, 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:34.160 thirty six and thirty six, so obviously he kept pay 0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:38.240 no takedown, attempts, no nothing, and you know it's just 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:39.680 punching and low kicking the whole time. 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:41.080 That said, I was it a split decision. 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.520 I forgot like I think I've scrubbed it from memory, 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.880 but that sounds because it was pure ass. 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:48.560 Judges drifted off. 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.480 But a fight is so bad and so boring and 0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:53.520 so boring it can honestly be like, Okay, who the 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:55.560 fuck is winning this bullshit? Like it honestly is a 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:58.280 little harder. It's harder to kind of keep up with 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.360 it when like very little is happening that effectuates change. 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.280 This is We didn't get a chance to talk about 0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:06.000 zoof of boxing, but I was there, and I don't 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:08.880 know if it's easier for you to judge boxing or MMA, 0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:12.640 but given the Zufo boxing, Like you're mentioning this and 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:14.240 this is something I thought about, Like you got some 0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:18.120 you know, you got these judges. The room's completely dead, 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:21.360 like everybody's drowsy in the room. There's no energy whatsoever. 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:24.240 And the fights are all destined to go that whatever 0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:27.240 their you know, six rounds, ten six rounds, ten rounds 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:29.400 are gonna go. They're all gonna go as many as 0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:33.080 they're scheduled, you know how about Like I couldn't do that, 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.560 like and so like I just I find myself daydream 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:37.040 and then I'm like, who am that last round? I 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:39.360 think that would be so difficult to fight through when 0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:41.880 you've got a super boring fight, and especially when the 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:43.720 atmosphere SAgs to that level. 0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:45.320 That must be tough. 0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:50.560 Man. Yeah, I score. I feel like I score MMA 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:51.680 better than I score boxing. 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:51.919 Yeah. 0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:54.400 I think BC's probably a little bit the opposite obviously, 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:58.160 which would make sense coming from boxing, But I don't 0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:00.760 know how It's like I saw with Dani's you know, oh, 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.280 undefeated record in boxing now is going to mean something, 1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:04.840 and I'm like, all right, that might be true, but 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:07.880 it's like, bro, they give these guys squash matches because 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:09.720 the ship rules, you know what I mean, Like, that's 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:12.720 how that's how you build a star. You got to 1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:13.000 give us. 1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:16.360 Nobody's looking for parody on the early prelims. You know, 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:17.919 you're looking for some knockouts to get rolling. 1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:19.920 I just want this guy to get some work against 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:23.720 some jobber who, you know, yeah, fucking does nothing in 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:25.560 his life. I don't. I'm not. I don't. I don't 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.200 need I don't need it to be like, oh this is. 1:00:27.200 --> 1:00:29.920 Really that was a tough gig for those judges out 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:31.440 in Vegas though, And I will say that that. 1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:33.240 Was hard when they all go the distance on a 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:35.080 boxing an hour and you're like, fuck me. 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:38.520 I sent you a picture from the room. Yeah, dude, 1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:41.000 that that looked lively compared to how it felt. I mean, 1:00:41.040 --> 1:00:42.080 it was just so bad in there. 1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:43.560 It felt it felt really. 1:00:44.360 --> 1:00:46.920 Just died, man, Like that main event where it should 1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:49.120 be like picking up and you know, like there should 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:49.840 be some excitement. 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:54.560 Is it was so quiet that I, like I said 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:55.200 this in a column. 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:56.680 I was like, it was so quiet that if you 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:58.520 were an activist and you were like I, you know, 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.600 you say no to the you know, Ollie Reform Act, 1:01:01.600 --> 1:01:03.200 you could have yelled that out and everybody would have 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:04.600 heard it would have been like the biggest bang for 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:06.920 your buck possible, right because everybody would have heard it 1:01:07.000 --> 1:01:09.880 on the telecast, and so it was just so dead 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.200 in there. Man, it was I felt bad for the 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:14.600 guys in the ring, you know, because you're like, how 1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:16.360 do you even get up for this? Like how do 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.320 you keep getting off your stool and like get excited? 1:01:18.360 --> 1:01:19.400 It was it was rough man. 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:23.440 Well, I didn't watch much Callum Walsh and I won't 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:24.000 in the future. 1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:25.920 He didn't blow you away. 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:28.760 No, let's talk about the last fight on this main card, 1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:31.120 which is kind of an interesting one, actually pretty interesting one. 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.000 It came together last minute. But a guy I've got 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:34.200 my eye on. I think a lot of people do. 1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:37.439 Quillan saw Killed got the weirdest name I've ever seen, 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.560 taking on Jamie Malarkey, who is a good and decent 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:43.960 Australian fighter. But Quillan sal Killed, coming off of maybe 1:01:44.000 --> 1:01:46.160 the knockout of the year, seems to have a little 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:48.200 bit more of a higher profile. As I indicated, Chuck, 1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:50.440 it came together this fight a little bit by accident 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:53.000 with a late repricement. Notice kind of happening here. But 1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:56.160 if you're saal killed, it seems like a good opportunity 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:58.320 to make a little bit more of a name for yourself. 1:01:58.360 --> 1:01:58.920 I think so. 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:01.560 And like the I'm Long Island Luca to weighing on 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:03.640 this too, but like, uh, you know, you get AUSSI 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:06.040 versus Austin kind of unique, right like you We've talked 1:02:06.080 --> 1:02:08.240 about this a little bit, but it feels to me 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:11.760 a little bit like a showcase for for Salk because 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:14.880 you know, coming off of that, you know that that 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:18.520 big knockout that he had, This feels like an encore performance. 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:20.800 And if you look at Malarkey, like just over the 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:22.400 course of time, he's been in the UFC for a 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:24.439 long time and he's I think he's six and six, 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:28.080 Like he's one of those guys who you know, he's 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:30.080 going to be a gatekeeper and I know they hate 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.200 that word, but like you're he's a gatekeeper too, Like 1:02:32.440 --> 1:02:34.120 do you belong in the upper or are you down 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:36.560 here with me? And this so it feels like that 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:39.400 big moment for Sulky to kind of just style on 1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:39.760 a guy. 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:41.120 That's how I see this one. 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:46.320 Long Island Luke as a resident phony Australian. 1:02:47.040 --> 1:02:48.880 Why are you gonna call me phony. I'm a citizen, 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:53.200 bro Chill. It's just more Australian than you're Indian. Geez, 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:55.920 I don't claim to me. Yeah, you guys told me 1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:56.440 it was. 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:57.800 I wasn't claiming to. 1:02:57.760 --> 1:02:59.920 Be born there you are? You know whatever? 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:03.120 All right, tell me about this Australian on Australian violence. 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:05.720 I mean Quillen seal kild, biggest favorite on the card. 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:09.880 He's minus one thousand right now, not much value on him, 1:03:10.040 --> 1:03:13.160 but everyone thinks he's probably gonna knock out Jamie Malarkey. 1:03:13.240 --> 1:03:15.640 Jamie Mlarky's been knocked out six times before. 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:18.000 And you can get Quillan salth killed by knockout at 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.560 minus one forty five, which is a pretty damn good 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:24.240 price considering his a minus one thousand favorite personally over 1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:26.280 one and a half rounds right now is plus money 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:27.800 on DraftKings plus one thirty. 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:28.920 I'm taking that. 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.400 Both guys hit it in four of their last six fights, 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:34.520 hoping because they're both Ausie, there's some camaraderie there they 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:35.520 go a little longer. 1:03:35.600 --> 1:03:35.840 You know. 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:38.240 Maybe there's too much hype around Quillan because he's got 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:40.920 two nice ass knockouts, but he did go the distance 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:43.920 with yanal ash moves so and you know, does anyone 1:03:43.960 --> 1:03:44.880 really remember that guy? 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:45.240 Now? 1:03:45.240 --> 1:03:47.880 So there you go, Jamie Malarkey. I'm hoping that chin 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:51.480 holds up, hoping it goes long, rooting. 1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:53.520 For I hope it goes quickly because I'd like to go. 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:55.400 I will say this for the first broadcast, and I 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:57.920 know that Zach Candido tweeted like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it 1:03:57.960 --> 1:03:59.720 was the first One's a little different, right, but dude, 1:03:59.760 --> 1:04:01.360 it was. It's like nine to thirty and they're on 1:04:01.480 --> 1:04:05.600 their like third sizzle reel and I'm like, guys. 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:08.560 Let's go to Brent Musberger. I don't need. 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:12.800 To hear from Travis motherfucking Barker on his zilgin drum 1:04:12.840 --> 1:04:17.840 sets forty minutes into the broadcast, Start the fights, please. 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:20.280 So my understanding is we're not going to get that 1:04:20.360 --> 1:04:20.760 this time. 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:24.640 It wasn't Stem. Imagine if it was Stem performing, bring the. 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:27.120 Yeah, I wanted to Stem a fucking thing in my 1:04:27.200 --> 1:04:28.280 eyes what I wanted to do. 1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:31.760 All right, let's go. Let's go now to topic number four, 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:34.200 which is genuinely I was doing some research for this 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:37.160 for topic number four, and I you know what, hold 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:39.360 on before we do that. Before we do that, let 1:04:39.440 --> 1:04:41.400 me let me back up step. We will get topic 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:44.360 four in just a second. But first, first, first, you 1:04:44.360 --> 1:04:47.880 guys know how the show goes. It is presented by DraftKings. 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:50.360 The crown is yours, Chuck, do me a favor. I'm 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:53.400 gonna pull this up here from our friends at sportsbook 1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:56.520 dot DraftKings dot Com. And I'm looking now at the 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.320 sports book and they've got all different kinds of lines 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:03.000 on this. So you heard the one there from Long 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:05.280 Island Luca about the over under on that one. Let's 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:07.280 go now to the top of the car. Let's talk 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:10.440 about for Vulcan Lopez and see what kind of bets 1:05:10.440 --> 1:05:13.960 we got here they've got. Let's see walk me through 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:16.080 this if you can. Long Island does over under four 1:05:16.080 --> 1:05:20.120 and a half units at minus one fifteen. Oh that's 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:21.720 total rounds. 1:05:21.720 --> 1:05:23.960 Oh okay, it's the over under four and a half rounds. 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:27.840 It's a pick them right now minus one fifteen. 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:28.800 Minus one fifteen. Would you does that a bet? You take? 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:31.880 I like plus money only bets, so I wouldn't. Okay, 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:33.920 there is good value there. The first fight did go 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:36.760 five rounds. This one probably goes five rounds, so you know, 1:05:36.880 --> 1:05:40.200 it's a decent bet. I'm more interested in, like, I 1:05:40.240 --> 1:05:43.320 don't know, man, maybe the Vulcan spread bet minus five 1:05:43.360 --> 1:05:45.520 and a half at plus one thirty, where it's like 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:48.920 if Vulk just covers the spread, so he has to 1:05:48.920 --> 1:05:50.680 cover it by five and a half points, meaning he 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:54.080 could win three rounds on two judges scorecards and like 1:05:54.160 --> 1:05:56.640 one round on the other, I'd still cover. 1:05:56.800 --> 1:05:57.200 Kind of thing. 1:05:57.240 --> 1:05:59.080 You gotta do the math. There's plenty of outcomes that 1:05:59.120 --> 1:06:03.360 could make that's there. Folk By decision is plus one 1:06:03.480 --> 1:06:04.960 fifty right now. I like that a lot too. 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:07.680 Also, I got to say, they've got Ben Wassing Denie Chuck, 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:11.280 Yeah at that first of all plus one thirty five 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:14.960 overall on his odds. But here this is the one 1:06:14.960 --> 1:06:16.680 that's more interesting to me. They've got the over under 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:19.320 on this one for one and a half rounds. I 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:21.360 like bsd's chances, And I'm not saying there's in a 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:23.720 world he doesn't run them over. But what I am 1:06:23.760 --> 1:06:26.680 saying is there's also dude, Hooker could be tricky, Yeah, 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:28.840 for is crafty. There's ways in which this one goes 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:29.480 a little bit long. 1:06:29.600 --> 1:06:34.160 Yeah, so you like the over on that possibly. 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:36.400 I mean as a as a bet Yeah, I mean 1:06:36.440 --> 1:06:38.320 straight up, you know, hard to say exactly what's gonna happen, 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:40.480 but like trying to find value in the betting. 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:42.960 Like especially if it goes past the first Yeah, you 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:43.520 like the over. 1:06:43.640 --> 1:06:45.439 I think if it goes past the first, I mean 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.720 it seems to me that, you know, Santinio always kind 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:51.800 of that first round is the one you're like the 1:06:51.840 --> 1:06:52.440 most dangerous. 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:54.680 If it goes beyond that, things change a little bit. 1:06:55.280 --> 1:06:57.280 How are you feeling about the Hoofy and PHYSI fight 1:06:57.400 --> 1:06:59.919 going the distance or not? Yes? 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:05.840 Me, Yeah, I don't think it does. I don't think 1:07:05.840 --> 1:07:09.720 it does. I think that, like the it's kind of 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:11.440 one of those situations for me. And I know that 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:13.600 if his if his eve has not been like finished 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:16.000 like that, but if he goes in there and plays 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:18.640 in cautious like we were talking about, I could see 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:21.560 him getting slept. And there's another part of me that's 1:07:21.560 --> 1:07:23.439 like I easily really I think he's a very good 1:07:23.440 --> 1:07:25.720 stand up fighter, so I think he could catch Hoofy 1:07:25.720 --> 1:07:26.200 the other way. 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:28.280 So I don't know that what is the line on that? 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:30.120 Is it? Is it set it one and a half 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:30.560 or is it? 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:31.240 Yeah? 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.720 What it's on the on Whofi no hoofi and physive 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:35.560 is two and a half two and a half, okay, 1:07:35.600 --> 1:07:37.360 because I was like, I like the under on that one. 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:38.600 If it was one and a half, I'd be on 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:40.400 the fence, but like two and a half, I kind 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:41.200 of like the under there. 1:07:41.360 --> 1:07:43.480 I like to perceive money line in that fight at 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:45.200 plus one oh two, I think I think he's going 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:45.720 to get the nod. 1:07:45.760 --> 1:07:48.680 There's okay. I also have to say I like this. Honestly, 1:07:48.760 --> 1:07:50.680 I know no one believes in taichuy Vasa, but they've 1:07:50.680 --> 1:07:52.280 got him right now at plus money on the money 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:56.240 line at plus two sixty. 1:07:58.040 --> 1:07:59.400 It's not it has that shot. 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:01.280 Well, here's the thing. It's like, do I have a 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:03.280 strong degree of belief in Tai tooo Usa? 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:03.560 No? 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:06.440 But do I have a strong degree of belief in 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:09.440 talentsand to share? No? You know what I mean. So 1:08:10.080 --> 1:08:11.520 you know, so he's at mine, they've got to share 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:13.240 a sitting at minus two twenty five, they've got Tai 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:16.479 to vassa plus two sixty. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:18.599 I don't mind that at all. I mean, Long Island. Look, 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:21.760 that's value, right, That's what you'd call value yeah, but 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:22.760 it's heavyweight ty. 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:25.320 You know, he did retire for a year and a half, 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:27.439 hasn't won a fight in four years. I'd be very 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:30.559 worried about that bet. But you know there's value sharing yet. 1:08:31.160 --> 1:08:33.160 Listen. I'm not saying it's the most secure one. I'm 1:08:33.160 --> 1:08:37.000 saying the upside is real. How about that? The upside 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:39.719 is The downsides are known, but the upside is real. 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:42.200 And at any event, folks, if you want to go 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:45.000 and do some betting with the DraftKings sports book, you 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:48.599 can do that now, analyze, of course, and make your picks. 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:50.680 You can do money line, you can do overrunners, you 1:08:50.680 --> 1:08:52.920 can do the whole things. Honestly, they'll pay attention to 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:55.200 current odds or what we were talking about here. They 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:58.000 are subject to change. And as always, this has been 1:08:58.000 --> 1:09:00.599 brought to you by our friends and presented by Draft Kings. 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:04.400 The crown is yours. All right, let's go to topic 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.680 four and then what has been about fifteen minutes will 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:09.720 be joined by our friend Shawn Zatel to cover the 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:12.880 boxing this weekend very quickly if we can. I don't 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:14.800 even know what to say about this portion of the card, 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:16.320 and I'm not trying to be a dickhead either. I 1:09:16.360 --> 1:09:19.120 really am not. But let's start out with this one first. 1:09:19.160 --> 1:09:21.000 First of all, there was supposed to be a flyweight 1:09:21.000 --> 1:09:23.760 finale for the road to UFC. We are gonna have 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:25.880 the bansomweight finale. We are gonna have the featherweight and 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:29.000 the lightweight. Those fights are still on, but the flyweight finale, 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:30.760 which by the way, was supposed to be pretty good 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:35.879 between Aaron True and namsre Bat Bayar, it got canceled. 1:09:35.960 --> 1:09:38.600 Let's roll the video. This is Aaron True or is 1:09:38.640 --> 1:09:41.080 the You can see him here. He's flexing Chuck like 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:44.120 he's doing the double biceps. I'm saying, True, I apologize, 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:46.320 I'm doing I'm doing an old school MMA reference. Aaron 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:48.559 Tow not true, Aaron True was a different guy. Aaron 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:52.800 Tow apologies. Aaron Tow is flexing double biceps there, but 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:56.320 he's putting his elbows on the frame of the curtain. 1:09:56.920 --> 1:10:00.280 So he comes in chuck at one two I think 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:02.200 twenty two and a half, right, and they were like, 1:10:02.720 --> 1:10:04.880 all right, well that's a little sketch. So then they 1:10:04.920 --> 1:10:08.800 make him redo it. No, put his shorts on. Here 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.880 it is, and they removed the thing I think he 1:10:12.000 --> 1:10:14.040 just stands up straight on the scale. Look at this, 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:16.720 and he comes in at one nine. 1:10:21.640 --> 1:10:23.800 Oh my lord, man, this is like in that song 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:25.880 the Devil went down Joey winning late, the Golden Fiddle 1:10:25.920 --> 1:10:26.920 down at Johnny's feet. 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:28.800 You know he knew, he knew lost or whatever. That's 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:29.840 what this is like. Look at it. 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:32.080 Look at this demeanor in the second when he's like, fuck, 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:32.840 I'm found out. 1:10:34.240 --> 1:10:36.839 I haven't I haven't seen. 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:39.160 I mean doing this, And that was that was yeah, 1:10:39.200 --> 1:10:40.760 because he's like he's not moving either. 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:42.000 He's just kind of like sitting there. 1:10:43.439 --> 1:10:45.760 His only flaw and nobody would have ever been on 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:47.800 to him, as if he could have dialed that in better, right, 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:50.919 Like he way overshot it at one two. 1:10:51.000 --> 1:10:52.320 That's just such a red flag. 1:10:52.800 --> 1:10:54.920 I mean he was also, let's put it in a context, 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:58.600 he was like he came in ninety minutes into the festivities, 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:00.120 right like, so it was like they had already he 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:02.000 was the last guy on the scale. So I think 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:05.439 there's already an added scrutiny to what's happening with you. 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:08.680 You can't show up that late and then be that 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:10.080 far underweight, you know. 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:15.040 Yeah, well he did it. He tried. You ain't cheating, 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:17.559 You ain't trying. No, I don't know if it's gonna 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:17.840 ge him. 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:20.360 So in the Paramount plus era, now we've had like 1:11:20.640 --> 1:11:23.880 one fight called off because of suspicious betting activity, and 1:11:23.880 --> 1:11:25.720 now we've had one fight called off because the dude 1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:28.120 was trying to cheat the scale. That's what I said 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:33.320 about the drama on this Yeah, face planet after weigh 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:36.880 that's right, Jesus, and the guy almost died, That's right. Yes, 1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:39.080 that was that was fun. That was a fun little 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:42.000 time long Louke, come back in here, brother. I'm trying 1:11:42.000 --> 1:11:44.080 not to be difficult. I swear I'm not, but this 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:46.920 undercard is a show, and not in a good way. 1:11:47.640 --> 1:11:50.280 The top of the card is Junior Tafa versus Billy 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:50.920 Eli Khanna. 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:56.639 I mean Junior Tafa never really you can never really 1:11:56.640 --> 1:11:57.920 trust him, I'll say that much. 1:11:58.000 --> 1:12:00.679 You know he is, He's born in New Zealand, Australia. 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:02.400 I believe he has a gym in Brisbane, so you 1:12:02.400 --> 1:12:04.200 know you root for him in this fight, but I 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.320 think Billy Elkhon is probably gonna get the dub there. 1:12:06.439 --> 1:12:09.120 Cameron Roaston taking on Cody Brundage. Brundage is a pretty 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:12.160 big underdog here. Roaston pretty aroused in pretty good. 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.280 He lost to Teres Finnie who's in the Fight Before 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:19.880 Contender series, But yeah, he looks decent. CKB guy Cody Brundage, 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:22.120 you know, is he really a UFC fighter? 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:24.080 He gon to beat up a lot. 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:27.440 We'll see this one dude, Torres Finny who just refuses 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:31.400 to learn, apparently taking on Jacob Malcohn, who you know, 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:33.559 it's like, what's his claim to fame? He trained with 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:35.320 Robert Whitaker. I don't know what to say about this 1:12:35.360 --> 1:12:36.000 fight either. 1:12:35.840 --> 1:12:38.720 Still trains, but yeah, this will be, uh, probably the 1:12:38.720 --> 1:12:40.840 most boring fight of the night. But I am intrigued 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:43.680 by the odds because they're both grappling heavy guys, and 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:46.559 Teres Finnie at plus one point thirty is intriguing, but 1:12:47.080 --> 1:12:49.680 naturally going to side with Jacob Malcohn here, all right, 1:12:50.000 --> 1:12:50.559 the one that's. 1:12:50.439 --> 1:12:52.840 Most interesting to me, The one that's most interesting to me, 1:12:53.000 --> 1:12:56.200 Chuck in Long Island, is this one Jonathan I pronounced 1:12:56.200 --> 1:12:59.000 his last name mckayliff. I think, yeah, Mickaylyiff taking on 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:01.040 Oban Elliot Oban Eli. It came a little bit of hype. 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:02.560 Still has some but I think is in need of 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:06.719 a win here and Mickayleff it looks halfway decent on tape. Actually, 1:13:06.800 --> 1:13:09.040 this one, to me is certainly the most competitive fight 1:13:09.439 --> 1:13:10.960 on the preliminary card. Would you agree? 1:13:11.000 --> 1:13:11.320 Wow? 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:11.840 Yeah? 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:14.519 Pretty surprised at the odds too that Oban's the dog. 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:16.599 I would have maybe flip flopped those odds. I did 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:18.680 take an Oban spread bet in this. I don't know 1:13:18.720 --> 1:13:20.400 if he wins the fight out right, but I think 1:13:20.400 --> 1:13:22.760 he can steal a round or two here from Michaels 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:23.559 or right and. 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:26.040 Last, but not least, anything else on these prelim cards 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:27.040 that you give a damn about. 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:29.360 Well, the only other fight besides the road to UFC 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:32.120 fights con Offley, who you know lost in the Tough 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:33.280 finale what. 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:36.519 Two seasons ago, a season ago, taken on Yizza yz Ha. 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:38.439 I don't know. It sounds like the Rizza, the Jizza, 1:13:38.479 --> 1:13:40.920 the Yizza, but I'm. 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:42.360 Gonna side with us everywhere. 1:13:42.439 --> 1:13:44.599 Conn Offfley I was really down on in his first 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:45.960 two UFC fights. He looked like shit. 1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:49.120 He did Subcardohamos in his last fight, and I was 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:50.160 pretty impressed by that. 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:52.479 So you know, maybe I think Yez has got a 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:52.920 lot of hype. 1:13:52.960 --> 1:13:54.599 He did get a quick ko his last time out, 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:56.519 but he was on a two fight skid I believe 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:58.640 before that, So naturally I'm going with. 1:13:58.640 --> 1:13:59.240 The aus either. 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:01.080 All right, very good Chuck. 1:14:01.360 --> 1:14:03.280 That was that was a smart way to like, I'm 1:14:03.280 --> 1:14:04.840 glad you didn't go to me for those fights, man, 1:14:04.880 --> 1:14:06.040 I mean you bring it or not. 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:07.679 I mean pays attention to that ship. 1:14:07.920 --> 1:14:13.920 I mean, like I said, the absolutely no question about it. 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:16.719 But should be fun. 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:18.800 I think that like coming off a loss and like 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:21.880 so many people, you talk to Europeans, you know, and 1:14:22.720 --> 1:14:25.639 they they still talk about him like he's he's got something, 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:28.800 uh that we we haven't seen yet, So I guess 1:14:28.840 --> 1:14:31.599 I'm still intrigued to see how far he can take things, 1:14:31.640 --> 1:14:32.920 especially coming off the loss here. 1:14:33.520 --> 1:14:35.040 Uh. And then last thing I'll say is I did 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:36.760 hear that this guy and I did a little bit 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:39.800 of tape watching on Kachi Knuckamore from the featherweight final. 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:42.120 He looks to be the goods. He actually pretty interesting, 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:44.160 but we're still I think he's what seven and one 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:45.760 or something like that, to double check, but we're so 1:14:45.920 --> 1:14:47.720 early into his UFC run though I don't I don't 1:14:47.720 --> 1:14:49.280 know exactly what even this is supposed to mean. You know, 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:50.960 it's an important fight, it's a good fight. 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:55.479 But overall the prelims from the first one at Paramount 1:14:55.479 --> 1:14:57.320 plus Era were much better than this one, is what. 1:14:57.400 --> 1:15:00.680 We're saying, ragnificantly. So yeah, right, with that in mind, 1:15:00.720 --> 1:15:02.000 we'll put a pin in this. We'll come back to 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:03.720 the boxing later. Long, aw, we got time to do 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:06.000 a little over under or rate that card. 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:09.840 Yes, sir, let's do it all right's that card? 1:15:09.960 --> 1:15:10.200 Guys? 1:15:10.280 --> 1:15:11.680 You know we did it last week. We're doing it 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:15.280 again this week. I'll explain it after the intro card. 1:15:18.600 --> 1:15:19.240 It sucks. 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:22.720 I did say rate, but it is rank. I apologize. 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:25.080 You know, I keep saying rate myself, but because you're 1:15:25.200 --> 1:15:27.320 ranking Ian, it's obviously it should be rank. 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:29.120 But rate does roll off the tongue better. 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:29.439 I don't know. 1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:32.680 Anyways, I'm gonna pitch these twe of you out of time. 1:15:32.760 --> 1:15:35.040 You're just gonna give me most likely to least likely 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:37.479 based on the question. You can both chime in, but 1:15:37.560 --> 1:15:41.760 I will pitch it back and forth. So lt who's 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:44.320 the New Zealand born fighter with the best chance to 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:45.280 win on Saturday? 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:47.599 Aaron Tao is obviously out of this because his fighter 1:15:47.680 --> 1:15:50.560 is off. So Junior Tafa or Dan Hooker. 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:53.799 I'll say Junior Tafa. 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:56.920 Wow, Okay, I mean I think Dan Hooker is a 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:59.960 much better fighter, but he's also got much tougher competent 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:05.439 so anah, yeah, probably Tafa. Alright, I feel like Hooker's 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:08.639 uphill battle man. That's a tough one, all right, Chuck. 1:16:08.840 --> 1:16:13.200 Uh, Which undefeated fighter in the UFC has the biggest 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:14.759 chance of losing on Saturday? 1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:17.280 Oh boy? Cameron, Rouston, Quillin Skill. 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:22.720 Look at these names. These sound like names from the 1:16:22.800 --> 1:16:27.479 Key and Peel sketch, Jamius Rex. 1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:33.240 Torus Finney. All right, and then what so rank them one, 1:16:33.280 --> 1:16:34.840 two three? So Therez is number one? 1:16:35.560 --> 1:16:38.960 Uh, and then maybe and then maybe Ralston and then 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:43.679 I can't imagine that Quillan's gonna like ship the sheets 1:16:43.720 --> 1:16:44.000 in this one. 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:45.720 I mean he's like, he's this is set up for 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:49.120 him to succeed here, true, LT, you you agree. 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:50.679 Or its exact same? 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:52.600 Yeah? I mean that is based on the odds, so 1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:54.519 that makes more sense. LT. 1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:56.680 Who's the most likely to win by finish? Talas in 1:16:56.760 --> 1:16:59.800 too shera Ben was Saint Deny or Quillin sal killed. 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:06.320 In this in the. 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:16.000 Definitely definitely talis In first, Okay, yeah, and then I'll 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:19.599 yes in order, so I've got Talisan BSD, then Saw killed. 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:25.320 Okay, Chuck, I'd go Talison, then Saw killed and the NBA. 1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:30.000 Ye all right, Uh Chuck, Which underdog has the best 1:17:30.080 --> 1:17:31.280 chance of winning on Saturday? 1:17:31.439 --> 1:17:34.280 Tie to Avasa, Dan Hooker or Diego Lopez? 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:39.040 Ah Man, I hate to contradict, Like when we talk 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:42.120 abou Volcanosa, I still will say Diego has a good chance, though, 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:44.200 like I think if he makes those adjustments or if 1:17:44.240 --> 1:17:49.080 he comes in a little smarter, I'll go Diego top 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:52.559 and then and then ty Tabas and then uh Hooker. 1:17:53.280 --> 1:18:06.479 Okay, let's see, I'm gonna go Lopez even though he's 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:13.439 got the toughest assignment. I'll go tie and then I'll 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:16.120 go Dan. And again I think Dan's better than Tye obviously, 1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:18.920 but I think he to the point Chuck made just 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:20.560 the timing of this fight, I just don't love it 1:18:20.640 --> 1:18:20.920 for him. 1:18:21.240 --> 1:18:23.080 I might flip flap tie in Hooker. 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:26.040 I'm kind of I love Tye, but I'm very no, 1:18:26.200 --> 1:18:30.280 you don't know, you don't ill are you betting on him? 1:18:30.280 --> 1:18:32.680 You're like, yo that I'll do a shoey. I'll do 1:18:32.720 --> 1:18:35.040 a shoey on stream if TI wins calling it right now? 1:18:35.080 --> 1:18:36.519 All right, wow, all right. 1:18:36.439 --> 1:18:40.120 Now we're talking uh ELTI most entertaining fighter on the card, 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:43.599 Ben was Sintony Ti Tasa or Mauricio Hoofy. 1:18:45.600 --> 1:18:47.800 Well, up to this point, the answer has been Hoofy. 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:49.479 But I don't know what we're gonna get from him 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:53.240 on Saturday. So I'm gonna say BSD one, Hoofy two, 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:55.760 tie three hm hm. 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:58.599 That is the only I would just flip flop. 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:01.360 I guess I'd go I'm just gonna believe in the 1:19:01.560 --> 1:19:05.719 excitement factor on Hoofy, so I'll go him then BSD 1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:06.599 then tye. 1:19:07.280 --> 1:19:10.960 Okay tie to me, I was factoring in again the shoeies, 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:15.479 the ada after that last fight. Man, true, I don't know. 1:19:15.560 --> 1:19:18.000 I need to see something here, Dude, remember that movie 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:20.320 that Remember that event. It was like in ACB, like 1:19:20.360 --> 1:19:21.880 one of one of these Russian events where like the 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:23.559 owner came out in the middle of the fight, was like, Yo, 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:27.160 just stop the ship. That's how I felt in the 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:28.559 middle of that fight. Just fucking leave. 1:19:28.880 --> 1:19:29.519 That's hilarious. 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.759 Chuck, who's the most likely to avoid a second straight loss, 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.639 Cody Brundage, Junior Tafa or Dan Hooker. 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:44.720 Man all right, I'll go Hooker, Tafa, Brundage, Okay. 1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:54.560 LT, I'll go Tafa, Tafa, Hooker, Brandage. 1:19:56.000 --> 1:19:58.559 I might go Brundage number one. I'm just like Camra, 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:00.800 You're just questioning if belongs in the UFC. 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:02.800 I know, but I haven't seen enough out of cam 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:05.439 Rouston yet where we are really gonna doubt. 1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:06.439 I don't know. 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:09.320 There's just there's too much intrigue there. Whereas Billy Alacana, 1:20:09.360 --> 1:20:12.519 I feel like it's gonna be tough BSD. We obviously 1:20:12.600 --> 1:20:13.639 know where the odds are at there. 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:14.880 LT. 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:19.320 Who will have more UFC fights after Saturday? Alexander Volkanowski, 1:20:19.560 --> 1:20:21.160 Dan Hooker or Tyko of Us. 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:25.840 Wow, that's a toughie. Hooker is gonna go until they 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:31.000 make him stop. So definitely he's the answer. And Vulcan 1:20:31.040 --> 1:20:32.960 at least might have a couple more, especially if he 1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:36.280 wins Tie. I think this might be do or die, 1:20:36.360 --> 1:20:39.439 So I'm gonna go Hooker, Vulk Tie Chuck. 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:44.479 That's exactly right, and Vulcan especially like we didn't talk 1:20:44.479 --> 1:20:46.679 about this. Luke but like the psychology. Remember he's talking 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:49.880 about like being psychology affected during idle times. I just 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:52.680 I can't imagine he's gonna walk away easily from the game. 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:54.960 So but Hooker be there, like you mentioned, until they 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:56.160 until they force him out. 1:20:57.040 --> 1:21:01.599 All right, fair enough, Chuck fighter, who's stock will drop 1:21:01.720 --> 1:21:02.880 the most with a loss? 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:07.120 On Saturday Mauricio Rufi, Oban Elliott, or Quillin sal killed 1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:08.160 with a loss. 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:10.519 I'd definitely say Hoofy because I feel like people are 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:14.960 high up on him uh doing something, So I'd go Hoofy, 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:17.400 then sell killed, just given where they're at and coming 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:19.280 off that knockout, and then then Oban. 1:21:20.080 --> 1:21:25.120 Lt Umm drop the most. 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:39.519 Hoofy uh saw killed Elliott because Elliott's already lost. 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:42.000 You know, I feel like Saul killed has to be 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:44.759 number one because he's a minus one thousand favorite. 1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:47.080 He's fighting a chinney boy, you know. 1:21:47.320 --> 1:21:49.960 Yeah, how about a relative to two losses in a row? 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:53.760 Yeah, but Hoofy is losing to top fifteen guys. These 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:55.600 aren't like bad losses, you know. 1:21:55.680 --> 1:21:58.200 I don't know this is is going to have that 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:00.559 he I think, right, I don't know if is malarchy, 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:04.080 like even a big fan favorite like, I feel like 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.840 the crowd's gonna want to see Sulkil do something here. 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:10.519 Yeah, I'm I'm I gotta think no, Well, because Quillen's 1:22:10.520 --> 1:22:14.760 from Perth and Jamie is either from Victoria or New 1:22:14.800 --> 1:22:17.040 South Wales, so Jamie might actually have the hometown support. 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:17.439 All right. 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:21.519 I'm curious LT fighter with the best tattoos, So I 1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:25.320 have pictures for each of you here. So picture number 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:31.559 one is Dan Hooker's tattoo, Picture number two is Benoi 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:33.280 Saint Deini's tattoo. 1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:36.599 Is that Joan of Arc maybe? 1:22:37.040 --> 1:22:41.840 And picture number three is Aaron Taw's tattoo. So I 1:22:41.920 --> 1:22:44.800 want you to rank them. That's too worst. 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:52.400 Hookers are the technically the most clean, okay, and so 1:22:52.520 --> 1:22:54.479 for that reason, I like the most I'm gonna give. 1:22:54.600 --> 1:22:58.880 I'm gonna have an order here because taos are cultural tattoos. Yeah, Like, 1:22:58.960 --> 1:23:01.240 obviously those are not for mask consumption. Those are for 1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:04.800 cultural tattoos. But I think those are actually the best 1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:07.040 tattoos to get, to be perfectly honest with you, I mean, again, 1:23:07.080 --> 1:23:09.120 it's not for me, but I understand it would be 1:23:09.200 --> 1:23:11.280 for them. So it might look a little weird to 1:23:11.439 --> 1:23:14.639 people who aren't from that thing. But those are those 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:16.680 are to me, are much more legitimate tattoo than anything else. 1:23:17.000 --> 1:23:21.800 The tattoos, yeah, they're Maori tattoos exactly. And Ben wasats 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:25.560 tattoo was not bad. It just looks kind of like 1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:27.680 a robot slash joan of arc. I'm not sure what 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.439 that is. Also, her left arm is really long and 1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:32.400 ways that her right arm is not. It's It's okay, 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:36.320 it's okay. But no, I'm gonna go with hooker one 1:23:36.479 --> 1:23:38.280 TAOTOO BSD three. 1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:43.160 Wow, Chuck, Well, I was gonna say TAO three, But 1:23:43.400 --> 1:23:45.360 I mean now that you've now that you've kind of 1:23:45.560 --> 1:23:47.200 talked about it, I'm like, well, yeah, you know, if 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:48.800 you're going to get a tattoo, like, you want it 1:23:48.840 --> 1:23:51.320 to be meaningful, right like, so I think i'd go 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:51.960 the same order. 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:55.240 I think, I like, I don't know their tattoos. 1:23:55.280 --> 1:23:59.200 The other tattoos are strictly decorative, yeah, whereas the cultural 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:03.719 tattoos some cultural decoration to it, obviously, but it carries 1:24:03.720 --> 1:24:04.719 significantly more meanings. 1:24:04.840 --> 1:24:09.720 So it's like, so one though, huh shouldn't that be one? 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:09.920 Then? 1:24:10.760 --> 1:24:13.360 Uh No, because I still don't love the necessity like 1:24:13.439 --> 1:24:17.720 the application of it. I just want pure tattoo applying 1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:18.320 terms you. 1:24:18.320 --> 1:24:19.840 Know, all right? Fair enough? 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:23.639 Uh, last one, Chuck, the Australian with the best chance 1:24:23.760 --> 1:24:28.000 of being a UFC champion, Jonathan mckayliff, Dom mar Fan 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:31.719 who's fighting in the road to UFC final are Quillin 1:24:31.880 --> 1:24:32.479 Sal killed? 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:33.280 Oh Man? 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:38.160 Well Sal killed out? Oh wait, sorry, I meant to preface. 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:40.760 All three of them are twenty six or under. 1:24:40.840 --> 1:24:41.120 That's why. 1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:45.080 Oh wow, okay, all right, I'll say soul killed. I mean, 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:49.280 and then is it Mika Lef? How do we say 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:49.840 his last name? 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:55.240 I'm going mckayliff, okay, and then mar Fin that's yeah. 1:24:55.600 --> 1:24:57.679 I haven't seen it, to be completely honest, I haven't 1:24:57.680 --> 1:25:00.320 seen a ton from you know, mar Fan said, so 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:02.800 I feel like I'm kind of guessing on that one. 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:05.479 That's fair lt you got any different or you're going 1:25:05.560 --> 1:25:09.080 the same, Probably the same. 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:11.320 Right quill in one? And then after that it's who 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:11.840 gives a shit? 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:16.160 All right? Fair enough? That was card guys. 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:18.479 Hope you enjoyed it, all right, very good, Thank you 1:25:18.640 --> 1:25:20.680 very much. All right, Chuck, we got to see you off. 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.320 I know you're doing another broadcast later today, right, tell. 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:26.120 The fun I'm jumping on the crack with Pizza Carol 1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:30.120 at the top of the hour. So, uh yeah, but 1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:31.799 you're gonna be back with us on Monday. 1:25:31.840 --> 1:25:33.240 Correct, I'll be back on Monday. 1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:35.840 We'll break down all the action that happened at UFC 1:25:35.960 --> 1:25:37.719 through twenty five and the boxing events. 1:25:37.760 --> 1:25:39.400 I'm sure, man, So it should be a fun one. 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:42.080 It should be a fun one. Indeed, there's Chuck's socials. 1:25:42.120 --> 1:25:43.920 You can catch them on X, and you can catch 1:25:43.960 --> 1:25:45.559 them on IG and you can catch them on the crack. 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:48.439 Craik craik, craik crack. I don't know how to say it. 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:50.800 We say, you know, yeah, the crack a little bit 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:52.479 later today. Thank you, Iceman. I appreciate it. 1:25:52.640 --> 1:25:53.639 Thanks man. See you guys. 1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:55.840 All right there he goes with that. Being with that 1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:58.479 in mind, let's bring up our next guest. Gentlemen, do 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:02.240 y'all remember the guy who asked Dana White about uh 1:26:02.520 --> 1:26:06.599 the Ali Act and t KO and Dana told him 1:26:06.640 --> 1:26:09.320 to schedule an interview later and then it never actually happened, 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:11.640 but everyone was like, yeah, there's a great question. Well, 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:13.640 it turns out that my man, who is part of 1:26:14.000 --> 1:26:16.120 is a boxing scribe and this is part of the 1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:19.400 Porterway Podcast. His name is Sean Zateel and he now 1:26:19.520 --> 1:26:24.120 joins us to break down the weekends boxing. There he is, Hey, Sean, 1:26:24.200 --> 1:26:25.880 what's going on, buddy Luke? 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:27.040 Thanks for having me brother. 1:26:27.360 --> 1:26:29.240 What do you have there in the background? My my 1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:31.560 glasses aren't good enough. What's the what's the what's the 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:32.800 video game machine? Back there? 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.080 The NFL Blitz. 1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:37.960 I have actually have a authentic with a CRT screen 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:40.120 NFL Blitz ninety nine upstairs. 1:26:40.760 --> 1:26:43.400 And this is the like the replica the Arcade. 1:26:43.120 --> 1:26:46.640 One up So yeah, we got to get you some 1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:49.000 mats underneath the weight bench so you can learn how 1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:50.800 to like, you know, because you got to drop the weights. 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:53.440 You're not dropping them on fucking hardwood. 1:26:54.160 --> 1:26:54.640 No, no, I do. 1:26:54.760 --> 1:26:55.200 I got one. 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:55.599 I got one. 1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:57.840 It's just it's it's not visible. But wait there it is. 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:02.400 Okay, okay, okay, you're very good. Y well, Shawn, thank 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:04.479 you so much for joining us. I greatly appreciate it. 1:27:04.920 --> 1:27:05.400 Let's talk. 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:08.080 There's a huge slate of weekend boxing that we're not 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:09.679 gonna have to get too too much into the weeds, 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:11.719 but we want to at least keep our audience informed 1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:14.040 of some of the major parts of what is happening, 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:17.160 and to me, that conversation starts with the ring card 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:20.200 that's taking place. The official name of it is is 1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:24.280 the Ring four. This is Tao Femal Lopez fighting Shaquor 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:27.679 Stevenson as a sold out event in Madison Square Garden. 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:30.120 Six fights on this main card. Let's start with the 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:32.840 main event itself. Lopez obviously just fights at one forty 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:34.360 Saar coming in I think at one thirty eight and 1:27:34.360 --> 1:27:38.120 a half today. In preparation for that, I saw someone all. 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:41.840 A columnist on Yahoo Sean described this match as a 1:27:42.200 --> 1:27:47.280 bout between someone who is chaotic and uncalculated in Lopez 1:27:47.720 --> 1:27:51.960 versus the ultimate calculator, not the physical thing, but someone 1:27:52.000 --> 1:27:55.040 who makes that a priority in Schaquar Stevenson. Do you 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:56.240 agree with that framing? 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:58.679 Yeah, yeah, to a degree for sure. 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:05.240 I think it's control, chaos and improvisation and being dynamic 1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:07.599 and creative on Tiafimo Lopez when he's. 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:08.080 At his best. 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:12.080 My guy Chris al Jerry with a boxing scene, former 1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:15.240 world champion, says once to catches a rhythm, he gets 1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:18.719 into like a flow state and again becomes very creative 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:21.960 with his offense, with his defense. He fights a lot 1:28:22.120 --> 1:28:25.600 off of his talent, his athleticism, and not not just 1:28:25.720 --> 1:28:29.240 that alone, but Shaquor is definitely the superior technician. 1:28:29.960 --> 1:28:32.560 I think the to get right into the fight. I 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:33.639 think the best case. 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:37.320 Scenario for tia Fimo, who you know was born in Brooklyn, 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:39.879 New York, but really cut his teeth as an amateur 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:43.720 in South Florida, if he's going to win this fight, 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:48.400 it's gonna be it's gonna be Roy Jones against Bernard Hopkins, 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:51.800 Roy Jones versus James Tony, though much more competitive, I 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:54.679 think if he can win this fight in that manner 1:28:55.080 --> 1:28:58.040 because James Tony, I'm sure a lot of people listening 1:28:58.120 --> 1:29:00.639 do know how to lose like sixty pounds in sixty 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:03.280 days and was pretty drained for that Roy Jones fight. 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:07.920 But point being, sometimes master technicians what can offset them 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:10.800 is someone who's more athletic and faster than they are, 1:29:11.200 --> 1:29:13.080 and that could be fuddle them a little bit because 1:29:13.160 --> 1:29:15.720 usually a lot of the master technicians also have a 1:29:15.760 --> 1:29:19.000 great deal of hand speed and timing beat speed, and 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:21.000 that's part of why Shakur is the favorite here. 1:29:21.160 --> 1:29:24.519 Along with being the more superior by. 1:29:24.439 --> 1:29:27.840 The book technician and the more precise puncher, the more 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:28.599 accurate guy. 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:30.280 When it comes to placing his shots. 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:33.320 He's very sharp and the name of the game is 1:29:33.400 --> 1:29:35.320 to hit and not get hit, and that's why Schakor 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:36.160 is the favorite. 1:29:36.439 --> 1:29:38.880 He's a little bit more accurate than Tiafimo is with 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:39.559 his placement. 1:29:39.680 --> 1:29:42.360 His shots go from point A to point B in 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:45.280 a straighter line up the middle, and when he does 1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:48.960 throw combinations, he's good at pinpointing each shot to the 1:29:49.040 --> 1:29:51.840 body or using two decoy shots to set up a 1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:54.960 right hook. Sometimes very accurate with both hands, good, very 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:58.799 accurate to the body. But Tiafimo is the more gifted 1:29:58.840 --> 1:30:02.280 athlete between the two of them. And to kind of 1:30:02.680 --> 1:30:04.800 Chris al Jerry's saying he gets into a flow state, 1:30:04.840 --> 1:30:05.400 I'd say it's. 1:30:05.360 --> 1:30:07.679 Kind of like a streaky shooter. If he can catch 1:30:07.720 --> 1:30:10.960 a rhythm and get on fire in this fight, he 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:11.880 can win this fight. 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:16.240 And I do think it's interesting his his mind games 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:18.599 yesterday at the press conference, and the course says he's 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:20.960 not biting on them, but we'll have to see on 1:30:21.080 --> 1:30:24.599 fight night. I think in Tio's best interest Luke because 1:30:24.640 --> 1:30:26.800 he's a guy who fights with his lead hand down 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:29.880 and when he's stalked. You know, guys that are good 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:34.400 boxers like Jermaine Ortiz or Sandor Martin. Sandor Martin. Sandor 1:30:34.520 --> 1:30:36.320 Martin put him down with a right hook over the 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:40.080 top of that lead hand being low. George Cambos is 1:30:40.160 --> 1:30:42.200 going in and out with his feet, sniped him over 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:44.400 the top of the right hand again, over that that 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:48.920 low lead hand. Guys like Floyd Mayweather, even though they 1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:50.960 were great with their lead hand low and the shoulder 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:53.519 roll and everything, when they came forward against the zab 1:30:53.600 --> 1:30:56.280 Judah or against the Conor McGregor, as you'll remember, they 1:30:56.320 --> 1:30:58.920 would go to the high guard. And TiO doesn't has 1:30:59.000 --> 1:31:01.960 never really shown a rate high guard. So I think 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:05.519 he'd be better off using all that athleticism finding a 1:31:05.560 --> 1:31:08.719 way to get Shakur to come to him. And Shaquur 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:11.360 as good of a boxer, he is, as good as 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:15.160 a technician he is. He doesn't punch laterally that often, 1:31:15.680 --> 1:31:18.200 like a Floyd Mayweather, like a andre Ward of Burnell, 1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:22.000 Bernard Hopkins, a Purnell Whitaker. So if if TiO can 1:31:22.080 --> 1:31:24.240 find a way to make him take that step forward, 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.720 then I think he's he's better He's better off if 1:31:27.760 --> 1:31:30.160 he can find a way to dictate to Shakur and 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:31.960 make him have to take a step forward, not not 1:31:32.120 --> 1:31:32.559 all fights. 1:31:32.600 --> 1:31:34.679 He's gonna have to impose himself at times. 1:31:34.880 --> 1:31:36.920 If he's gonna pull this off as an underdog and 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:39.400 and he's the bigger puncher, he'll have to impose himself 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:42.080 in spots. But I think if he just stalks Shakur 1:31:42.240 --> 1:31:45.400 all night, that won't work the way it did against 1:31:45.800 --> 1:31:48.639 uh Lomachenko, who was a smaller guy and older guy 1:31:48.800 --> 1:31:53.280 compared to Chakor Stevenson. So yeah, I think I think that. 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:57.559 And to wrap this up, that's what I think was interesting. 1:31:57.800 --> 1:32:00.599 He got him to, in a way take a step forward. 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:03.679 At the press conference, he talked about, you know, putting 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:05.720 his nuts in his mouth and all this stuff and 1:32:05.800 --> 1:32:09.240 a lot of antics that won't age well if he 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:13.040 loses this fight. But I look at it as an 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:16.320 attempt to get Shakur out of his game, and Chakor 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.720 is very confident that that isn't the case. 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:21.280 But we'll have to see tomorrow night. What goes down. 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:23.760 Is it. 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:28.479 Who has the better pro wins? And what I mean 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:30.439 by that is, you know, listen, I saw the Del 1:32:30.600 --> 1:32:33.720 Santos fight. I saw this Apeeda fight. Those are good 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:35.599 wins in the sense of you beat a quality guy 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:38.320 in either case, But remember the Dela Santos fight, his 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:41.320 hometown crowd walked out, and when this Peeda fight was over, 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:44.200 you were just kind of like, I don't know, it wasn't. 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:48.879 Shakur is technically detailed, but not overwhelming with the firepower, 1:32:48.960 --> 1:32:50.759 in part because he still has issues with his hands, 1:32:51.040 --> 1:32:53.040 at least he appears to have repeated issues over the 1:32:53.080 --> 1:32:55.599 course of his career with them. And yet you mentioned 1:32:55.640 --> 1:32:57.200 Libuchenko was a little bit old, but there was a 1:32:57.240 --> 1:33:00.200 certain dynamism to that win by Lopez as well. Who 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:02.840 has the better pro wins today? Even though I recognize 1:33:03.120 --> 1:33:05.599 Lopez having the loss on his record or the surprising 1:33:05.680 --> 1:33:08.160 one to Cambosa's kind of undercuts it a little bit. 1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:10.479 But in terms of the wins, how do you evaluate 1:33:10.520 --> 1:33:12.080 who's really done better, especially of late. 1:33:12.760 --> 1:33:15.840 I think overall, definitely Tiafimo has the better wins, the 1:33:15.920 --> 1:33:19.640 better resume, and has fought as a professional the better competition. 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:22.120 But what offsets some of that is with the higher 1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:24.880 level of competition, not only has he lost, he's had 1:33:24.920 --> 1:33:26.920 a couple of fights that a lot of boxing. People 1:33:26.960 --> 1:33:29.120 think he may have lost as well, and Jermaine Ortiz 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:33.040 and Sandor Martin, whereas Shakur overall hasn't fought the level 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:36.240 of competition Tiafimo has. But outside of the de los 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:40.040 Santos fight, which was scored the closest in his career, 1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:42.960 he's won handily in every fight, and really outside of 1:33:43.000 --> 1:33:46.160 the Zepeeda fight, hardly been touched in his professional fights. 1:33:46.200 --> 1:33:48.720 And again, Luke, the name of the game is land 1:33:48.800 --> 1:33:51.960 your shots. He's more accurate than Tiafimo is and not 1:33:52.040 --> 1:33:54.400 get hit by the other guys shots. He's got better 1:33:54.479 --> 1:33:58.120 defense than Tiafimo does. Now again, like you're getting at 1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:01.080 against not as high a levee level of opposition and 1:34:01.479 --> 1:34:04.719 typically not as against as bigger guys as tia Fimo 1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:07.840 has been fighting the last couple of years. So that 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:11.040 is what's interesting right there, when it comes to the 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:14.000 level of opposition, one guy has the better wins, that 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:17.200 has overall fought the tougher competition, but the other guy 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:21.320 has won by a wider margin than tia Fimo has 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:24.360 and has gotten hit a lot less. So that yeah, 1:34:24.439 --> 1:34:25.519 that's what That's. 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:28.000 How I answered that one you mentioned the antics. I 1:34:28.040 --> 1:34:30.759 want to play a clip here. Schakour thinks Tayo Femo 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:33.640 is doing all of this because he's actually nervous. So 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:35.160 he's play this clip and I want you to react 1:34:35.200 --> 1:34:35.360 to it. 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:38.760 I think he's nervous and he's given off energy as 1:34:38.880 --> 1:34:43.639 if he's trying to delude his brain into believing things 1:34:43.720 --> 1:34:48.559 that are basically not going to happen. I just don't 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:51.320 understand how he can delude his brain into believing that 1:34:51.479 --> 1:34:55.920 when he didn't make Steve Claggett that's his name, Steve 1:34:55.960 --> 1:34:58.840 Claggant quit. He didn't make him quick, he didn't make 1:34:58.920 --> 1:35:02.680 George Campbose's, he did not make lemon Chenko quick. So 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:05.639 what in the world makes him think that he's gonna 1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:06.200 make me quit? 1:35:07.840 --> 1:35:08.559 What do you think, Sean? 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:12.400 I think at first, I think I didn't like tia 1:35:12.479 --> 1:35:15.479 Fimo's energy heading into this fight, and I and Shakoor 1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:18.760 very focused, very on point something he learned from a 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:20.080 guy like Terrence Crawford. 1:35:20.400 --> 1:35:22.720 His eyes are on the prize and he's completely locked in. 1:35:23.200 --> 1:35:26.200 But then it felt like once the fight really got 1:35:26.320 --> 1:35:28.719 here and the fight really starts at the press conference, 1:35:28.840 --> 1:35:31.599 into the way and into fight night, that tia Fimo 1:35:31.720 --> 1:35:34.479 showed up, the real tia Fimo showed up, and I 1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:37.280 didn't get a sense from tia Fimo that he was rattled. 1:35:37.560 --> 1:35:41.120 I actually think he was being calculated. Maybe he perceived 1:35:41.160 --> 1:35:42.120 some of what I perceive. 1:35:42.240 --> 1:35:44.479 How can I make this guy to get out of 1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:46.960 his game plan a little bit, who's always so technical 1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:47.439 and sharp? 1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:49.880 How can I make him make it more of a fight. 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:51.400 How can I make him take that. 1:35:51.600 --> 1:35:55.200 Step forward Saturday night as opposed to where he could 1:35:55.200 --> 1:35:57.160 take a step back and counter as good as he 1:35:57.280 --> 1:36:00.840 can with his step back game. So I didn't see 1:36:00.920 --> 1:36:06.080 too particularly rattled, I know, and actually, interestingly enough, Wally Moses, 1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:10.200 Chakor's trainer, who's an excellent trainer and helped build him 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:12.840 from scratch, along with his cousin Zequin Moses, who's a 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:16.360 good young pro. But now he's all in the video 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:20.559 like usually, Wally Moses plays the background, and usually it's 1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:24.040 Tiafimo Senior front and center, and Tiafimo Senior has been 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:26.599 vocal at times, and Wally Moses pointed out the only 1:36:26.640 --> 1:36:29.120 reason he's not vocal here at the press conference is 1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:31.640 he was drunk last night and can't make it to 1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:35.960 this press conference. But I see too as being calculated 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:38.800 and trying to find a way to get in Shakhor's head, 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:41.200 get him off his game a little bit. I didn't 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:43.960 see him as particularly nervous, and actually I see him 1:36:44.000 --> 1:36:47.080 as conserving his energy for the moment. 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:51.000 Now we'll see again if those antics don't live up 1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:53.280 to the level of focus. 1:36:53.040 --> 1:36:57.080 And drive of Shakor, who is supremely confident, who, unlike Tiafimo, 1:36:57.240 --> 1:36:58.360 doesn't know how to lose. 1:36:59.120 --> 1:37:00.439 But to go back to that Del. 1:37:00.400 --> 1:37:04.040 Santo's fight, and you mentioned Zapeta too, What is interesting 1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:07.920 is the one time Chakourt fought someone who could really 1:37:08.080 --> 1:37:11.519 match him in terms of speed and timing and quickness 1:37:11.720 --> 1:37:15.760 was Del Santos, and he beat him off the jab. 1:37:15.880 --> 1:37:19.720 But his offense took a big hindrance. 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:19.760 In that fight. 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:23.640 He wasn't working his body shots, he wasn't working his combinations, 1:37:23.720 --> 1:37:27.280 his right hook, his straight left hand was sparse, and 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:29.320 he really just won that fight off of one hand. 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:31.720 Now he says his other hand was hurt for that fight, 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:33.920 and that's part of why he only beat Del Santos 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:38.360 with a jab. But the point is, and against Jeremiah 1:37:38.400 --> 1:37:42.080 Nakatia too, a tall fighter from Africa who had some 1:37:42.200 --> 1:37:44.760 power on his right hand. Those two fighters, and in 1:37:44.840 --> 1:37:48.840 particular Del Santos, made him timid. Now, when you bring 1:37:48.960 --> 1:37:51.639 up Zapeta, I do think that fight will pay dividends 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:54.800 for Shakurt because heading into Zapeta, he already knew he 1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:57.479 was a sharp boxer. He already knew he was a 1:37:57.560 --> 1:38:00.920 master technician. But what he found I'm sure he was 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:04.000 confident in himself about already. But what he proved was 1:38:04.080 --> 1:38:06.960 he's a dog too. So I think that's a pay 1:38:07.040 --> 1:38:08.760 to fight. Where he stayed in the pocket a lot 1:38:08.880 --> 1:38:10.720 he exchanged was the paid a lot. It was by 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:13.320 far the most exciting fight of his career. It was 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:16.680 kind of like his Mayweather Madonna kind of fight. I 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:19.800 think that now he'll be a little bit more comfortable 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:22.960 in the pocket against the guy with the explosiveness of 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:25.280 tia Fimo than he was a couple of years ago 1:38:25.760 --> 1:38:29.160 in the pocket with someone on the explosiveness of Del Santos. 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:32.439 But these guys got big questions to answer. 1:38:32.920 --> 1:38:35.920 Will Shaquor against the best fighter he's ever fought, will 1:38:36.000 --> 1:38:38.000 he be a little bit more timid against the speed 1:38:38.040 --> 1:38:40.000 and the power the way he was against del Lo 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:44.160 Santos can Tiafimo be a guy who's excellent with the 1:38:44.200 --> 1:38:46.640 step back game, who could fight off the back foot. 1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:48.040 As a great boxer. 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:51.200 When he's been up against that look against other fighters, 1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:53.439 he hasn't looked as sharp as when he can play 1:38:53.520 --> 1:38:56.400 the counterpuncher. So that's why I say again he might 1:38:56.479 --> 1:38:58.280 be looking to find a way to make shakor come 1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:00.040 forward a little bit more than he wants to so 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.240 he can do what he does best, and that is 1:39:02.439 --> 1:39:06.360 be the lead hand, low quicker fighter, the athletic fighter, 1:39:06.600 --> 1:39:09.120 the counterpuncher at times and not always. 1:39:08.840 --> 1:39:10.000 Have to go after this guy. 1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:13.840 Let's talk about this co main event honestly, Like I'm 1:39:13.840 --> 1:39:15.760 not going to say it's more interesting than the main event, 1:39:15.800 --> 1:39:18.360 but it's certainly interesting. Jamaine Ortiz, as you mentioned, only 1:39:18.360 --> 1:39:20.880 two losses in his career, one of which was to Lopez, 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:22.960 and as you indicated, a very very shaky loss in 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:25.400 that sense as well, given how it could have gone 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:27.680 a very very technical fighter taking on the man of 1:39:27.760 --> 1:39:31.200 the hour, Keishawn Davis, who in his last fight was 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:34.400 supposed to have a homecoming in Newport News and in 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:37.599 the Virginia Tidewater area where he is from the Norfolk, 1:39:37.680 --> 1:39:41.120 Virginia area, and he just fucked it all up, I 1:39:41.200 --> 1:39:43.840 mean completely fucked it all up, and the whole fight 1:39:43.920 --> 1:39:46.400 got canceled. He ended up showing up there getting into fights. 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:50.000 The whole thing was a nightmare. Here he is, first question, 1:39:50.120 --> 1:39:53.679 is he still with top rank? But more importantly I understand, 1:39:54.240 --> 1:39:57.240 or my understanding, is that Davis left working with Bowmack, 1:39:57.360 --> 1:39:59.960 the trainer of, or at least the long time train 1:40:00.120 --> 1:40:03.000 anyway of Bud Crawford. What the hell is going on 1:40:03.160 --> 1:40:06.479 with Keishan Davis? And for all of the promising parts 1:40:06.520 --> 1:40:08.840 about his game and his future, how much do you 1:40:08.960 --> 1:40:11.160 still believe in it? Just given everything that's happened over 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:11.760 the last year. 1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:14.680 Yeah, you raised a lot of fair points, man, and 1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:17.320 he's giving a new young team a chance at it, 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:20.160 which part of me likes because a lot of times 1:40:20.360 --> 1:40:23.360 in the NFL the NBA it's about like who could 1:40:23.360 --> 1:40:26.800 get the new sexy offensive coordinator or the new young coach, 1:40:26.840 --> 1:40:29.880 whereas in boxing you pretty much retread the same names 1:40:29.920 --> 1:40:32.840 over and over again. Bow Mack, Freddie Roach a few 1:40:32.880 --> 1:40:34.960 years ago. He's gotten up there in age more so, 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:37.720 and Robert Garcia. 1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:40.560 And so on, and so forth. But yeah, man, he 1:40:40.920 --> 1:40:43.400 winds up having an ugly fallen out with bow Mack. 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:46.559 He blows the weight by almost an entire other weight 1:40:46.600 --> 1:40:49.360 class against De los Santos, a fighter he hand picked 1:40:49.720 --> 1:40:50.559 for top rank. 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:52.000 He is still with top rank. 1:40:52.320 --> 1:40:55.320 Top rank is leasing fighters out right now the Turkey 1:40:55.360 --> 1:40:58.559 Ala Chica Riad season. They can't compete with a Saudi 1:40:58.920 --> 1:41:02.240 you know, government and public investment fund. And I made 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:03.840 a point on Twitter that got a lot of people 1:41:03.960 --> 1:41:06.120 upset where I said, you know, this tia Femo Shkort 1:41:06.200 --> 1:41:09.200 fight is really built up by top ranked. Tia Femo 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:12.840 and Shakor were built up on ESPN primetime slots where 1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:15.840 they got a million plus viewers a few times in 1:41:15.920 --> 1:41:18.840 their tenures with top rank. But you know, when you're 1:41:18.840 --> 1:41:21.880 a private American business, especially without a network deal anymore 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:25.439 with ESPN, you can't compete with the Saudi public investment fund. 1:41:25.560 --> 1:41:31.040 That said Keishan from blowing weight against De los Santos 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:34.880 to having a fair degree of hubris since he became 1:41:34.960 --> 1:41:39.840 a world champion against Dennis Baranchek last February, to celebrating 1:41:39.920 --> 1:41:44.599 Andy Cruz's loss last week against Raymond Murataya, where. 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:47.000 He was doing the belt to ass and I get it. 1:41:47.120 --> 1:41:49.560 His point was, you know, this guy shitted on me 1:41:49.680 --> 1:41:52.920 all the time about beating me in the amateurs now 1:41:52.960 --> 1:41:56.320 that we're professionals, but you know you didn't beat him, 1:41:56.400 --> 1:41:59.400 Kishan Raymon Murrataya beat him. And I used to ask 1:41:59.479 --> 1:42:02.560 Kishan that, like, don't you isn't there a part of 1:42:02.640 --> 1:42:04.679 you that wants to write that wrong for the amateurs 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:06.080 and fight him in the pros And you know he 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:08.400 would say yeah, someday, but now it looks like that 1:42:08.479 --> 1:42:10.920 fight will never happen. Eddie Hearn's talking about moving Andy 1:42:10.960 --> 1:42:13.840 Kruz down to one thirty. Kishan's talking about going to 1:42:13.920 --> 1:42:18.439 one forty seven. There's nothing but quality champions at one forty, 1:42:18.720 --> 1:42:21.560 from Richardson Hitchens to Gary Antoine Russell. 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:22.559 To the winner of this fight. 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:26.000 He's already ruled out Tiafimo because he says tia Fimo's 1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:29.080 terrified of him. He'll never fight Schakor Stevenson because how 1:42:29.160 --> 1:42:31.640 close they are if Shakor wins. The only guy who 1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:33.920 said he'll fight is Dalton Smith, who's the newest champion, 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:36.919 because he says Dalton Smith can sell out Arenas. 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:38.240 Back in the United Kingdom. 1:42:38.479 --> 1:42:40.360 He wants to go to one forty seven and fight 1:42:40.439 --> 1:42:43.439 Devin Haney, who is a three division champion with more 1:42:43.479 --> 1:42:45.360 than double the amount of professional. 1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:45.880 Fights he has. 1:42:46.320 --> 1:42:48.519 So what I'm getting at, and he's promised the knockout 1:42:48.560 --> 1:42:51.920 of Jamaine Ortiz, who has fast hands, fast feat is 1:42:52.000 --> 1:42:56.000 a very solid contender in his physical prime, arguably the 1:42:56.080 --> 1:42:59.240 most athletic fighter Kishan's fought to date. Who is a 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:03.840 who has more professional experience than Kishan. He's fought Lomachenko 1:43:03.960 --> 1:43:08.840 and Tiafimo to very difficult fights, and on his part, 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:10.559 he's got to let his nuts hang all the way 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:12.880 to the ground this time. You know, Luke, every guy 1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:15.160 steps through the octagon and steps in the ring, lets 1:43:15.240 --> 1:43:19.200 him hang. But he coughed up the second half against Lomachenko, 1:43:19.720 --> 1:43:22.600 and he didn't do enough to win against Tiafimo. 1:43:22.720 --> 1:43:24.360 He frustrated him, He made him look bad. 1:43:24.600 --> 1:43:27.240 He made the fight very close and even controversial to 1:43:27.360 --> 1:43:28.840 some people, but he didn't put his foot on the 1:43:28.880 --> 1:43:31.439 gas to actually walk away with the win. So this 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:34.439 fight from Jermaine Ortiz, win or lose, I want to 1:43:34.479 --> 1:43:38.080 see him not leave anything on the table, if it. 1:43:38.200 --> 1:43:39.960 Even go out on the shield if he has to. 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:43.120 And for Keishawn Davis, he's talked a lot of shit 1:43:43.680 --> 1:43:46.160 and he's got to back it up Saturday night. He's 1:43:46.200 --> 1:43:49.040 promising a knockout, not just to win. I think he 1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:52.000 will win the fight Luke, because he's got a little 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:55.640 bit more sophistication to his arsenal to his skills than 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:58.360 Jamaine Ortiz, who again has quick hands, quick feet. 1:43:58.640 --> 1:43:59.920 Keishawan's the better puncher. 1:44:00.439 --> 1:44:04.160 I'm interested to see how Keishaan deals with Jamaine Ortiz's 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:07.240 very quick feet because Kei Shan keeps a wide base 1:44:07.360 --> 1:44:10.720 and he's actually a little bit flat footed. But he's 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:13.640 the better body puncher. He's more physical on the inside 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:16.000 and at long range. He has a hell of a 1:44:16.080 --> 1:44:18.560 right hand uh, and he's the better puncher between the 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:20.720 two of them. But this is his first fight in 1:44:20.840 --> 1:44:24.160 a new way class offense against a legit guy. But 1:44:24.360 --> 1:44:26.439 he looked a lot bigger at the Way or at 1:44:26.520 --> 1:44:29.680 the press conference yesterday. So I do expect Keishan to win. 1:44:30.120 --> 1:44:32.840 But he has put himself into a situation where you 1:44:32.960 --> 1:44:36.200 better back it up or else. The critics and people 1:44:36.320 --> 1:44:38.360 on social media are are gonna cook him and be 1:44:38.439 --> 1:44:40.960 awfully loud about it, which I'm sure he doesn't really 1:44:41.000 --> 1:44:43.200 give a shit about, but you know how that goes. 1:44:44.520 --> 1:44:47.040 Also on this card, Carlos Adamis will be putting up 1:44:47.080 --> 1:44:49.520 his WBC middleweight title against. 1:44:51.280 --> 1:44:54.599 He got sick today, Oh Jesus Damas. 1:44:55.160 --> 1:44:58.479 Yeah, all right, well shoo shoe. Carrington's on this card 1:44:58.520 --> 1:45:01.599 still against Carlos Castro and then Darrell Miller. Funny story, dude, 1:45:01.600 --> 1:45:04.559 I cover Darrell Miller's fights in Glory sometimes in Europe. 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:07.120 To see him out here after all of that. I 1:45:07.240 --> 1:45:10.200 know he's had peed failures left and right, stole a 1:45:10.280 --> 1:45:12.880 car allegedly one time. I mean he's had a run. 1:45:13.479 --> 1:45:16.560 He's still on this card. I don't know what you 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:19.800 could say about his career, but he's still present. I'll 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:21.080 put it that way. He's still around. 1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:24.200 Yeah, I mean I thought he beat Andy Ruiz in 1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:27.840 La back at that Ria season off card. 1:45:27.880 --> 1:45:30.040 I thought he beat him. He that's a that's a 1:45:30.080 --> 1:45:33.880 guy who's been pretty shameless since popping for a couple 1:45:33.960 --> 1:45:37.960 of steroids when he lost that Anthony Joshua fight. But 1:45:38.520 --> 1:45:41.320 he's a very for being such a big guy carrying 1:45:41.400 --> 1:45:43.439 so much weight. He's got some crazy volume. 1:45:44.200 --> 1:45:45.640 He did you know he did. 1:45:45.760 --> 1:45:49.320 He never really been down. I mean Daniel Dubois man 1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:50.400 now off the top of the head. 1:45:50.439 --> 1:45:52.280 I can't remember if he got stopped right at the 1:45:52.320 --> 1:45:54.000 bell or if du Bois had him out on his 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:56.360 feet at the bell at the in the final round. 1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:59.080 And Dubois a big puncher, big baby Miller is a 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:01.200 good shit talker. He throws a hell of a lot 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:04.080 of punches. He's got really good punch resistance. You know, 1:46:04.120 --> 1:46:06.200 I don't know if he'll ever hold a heavyweight title 1:46:06.680 --> 1:46:10.160 in this uh, in the heavyweight division, but yeah, man, 1:46:10.240 --> 1:46:12.840 he talks a lot of shit and except for Daniel Debois, 1:46:12.880 --> 1:46:14.640 he tends to back it up. So we'll see what 1:46:14.680 --> 1:46:17.040 we get out of him. He's fighting in the in 1:46:17.120 --> 1:46:19.280 the five Borough. He's fighting New York City's from Brooklyn. 1:46:19.400 --> 1:46:23.799 Shoes shoes from Brooklyn. I think I think Bruce Carrington 1:46:23.920 --> 1:46:26.479 is gonna win that fight, win his first full world title, 1:46:26.560 --> 1:46:29.400 and cry in the ring thereafter. But he is fighting 1:46:29.439 --> 1:46:32.400 a fighter in Carlos Castro who is not this come 1:46:32.520 --> 1:46:35.439 forward Mexican fighter and kind of like Jermaine Ortiz against 1:46:35.479 --> 1:46:37.679 Keishaan has been knocking on the door. 1:46:38.240 --> 1:46:40.840 Uh, he's come close. He a lot of people thought 1:46:40.880 --> 1:46:42.760 he beat Stephen Fulton and. 1:46:42.840 --> 1:46:46.240 Dropped him in their fight during the Canelo Berlanga undercard, 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:50.400 so you know he he keeps it long and Bruce 1:46:50.439 --> 1:46:52.960 Carrington is a fighter who's a hell of a counterpuncher. 1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:56.920 Not always the best defense, fast hands, but sometimes as. 1:46:56.840 --> 1:46:57.760 A great counterpuncher. 1:46:57.840 --> 1:47:00.840 He waits to counter a little bit too much, and 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:05.000 he can't do that against Carlos Castro, who's tall, rangey, 1:47:05.280 --> 1:47:09.040 got good feet. He's gonna have to use some of 1:47:09.080 --> 1:47:12.080 the parts of his arsenal he's neglected in some fights recently, 1:47:12.479 --> 1:47:15.240 mainly his jab, some of his feints he's gonna have 1:47:15.400 --> 1:47:19.800 to initiate and punctuate. If he just wastes to punctuate, 1:47:20.000 --> 1:47:22.439 just wastes to counter, this fight could get away from him. 1:47:22.479 --> 1:47:25.080 But I expect him to win win a world title 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:26.000 on this card as well. 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:29.040 I don't know if this is breaking news or not, 1:47:29.320 --> 1:47:33.360 but ZUFA Boxing's main event for ZUFA Boxing three is 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:36.120 Faa Jaga versus Charles Martin. Is that news? 1:47:37.200 --> 1:47:37.240 So? 1:47:37.439 --> 1:47:37.599 Yeah? 1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:39.920 I actually heard about that from my guys in the 1:47:39.960 --> 1:47:41.200 Sport a couple of weeks ago. 1:47:41.360 --> 1:47:41.519 Yeah. 1:47:41.560 --> 1:47:44.280 On Valentine's Day, FAA Jagua and Charles Martin. 1:47:44.680 --> 1:47:47.600 That's their first let me let me tee you up 1:47:47.600 --> 1:47:50.240 because they've got They've got Ryo fighting this weekend, and 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:53.840 but also Top Rank has got this card in Puerto 1:47:53.920 --> 1:47:56.360 Rico trying to feature Xander Zias. How do you feel 1:47:56.439 --> 1:47:59.080 about what ZUFA is doing just on the boxing side, 1:47:59.160 --> 1:48:01.640 Just forget about the the contracts and all we you not. 1:48:01.640 --> 1:48:02.840 I eve been where that a million times, but on 1:48:02.920 --> 1:48:06.000 the boxing side, relative to what Top Rank is able 1:48:06.080 --> 1:48:07.920 to do, relative to what Golden Boy is able to 1:48:08.000 --> 1:48:11.040 do right now, how do you feel about their boxing efforts? 1:48:12.160 --> 1:48:14.080 I think their first show was. 1:48:14.160 --> 1:48:17.439 Kind of underwhelming given the bravado they're coming into the 1:48:17.520 --> 1:48:18.960 sport with now. 1:48:19.760 --> 1:48:22.480 Definitely you could argue it's more sustainable. 1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:25.680 They're coming in not blowing a lot of money on 1:48:25.840 --> 1:48:28.759 the talent right away and on the card. Whereas PDC 1:48:29.280 --> 1:48:31.840 when they had their first card, it was Keith Thurman 1:48:31.920 --> 1:48:34.960 versus Robert Guerrero, it was two legit guys at the 1:48:35.080 --> 1:48:35.719 top level. 1:48:36.120 --> 1:48:38.760 It was a bigger fight. It was a bigger card, but. 1:48:39.200 --> 1:48:41.560 That's harder to sustain, as we found out over the 1:48:41.640 --> 1:48:44.719 last ten years. And then for Dezone, their first Foray 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:47.719 was supposed to be Demitrius Andred against Billy Joe Saunders. 1:48:48.000 --> 1:48:50.639 Billy Joe popped for something and it wound up being 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:54.720 Demitrius Andrade against Walter Colton, Dakua and Eddie Hearn wound 1:48:54.840 --> 1:48:56.360 up losing a bunch of money for de Zone on 1:48:56.439 --> 1:48:59.280 Dimitrius Andre. So to give them credit where is due 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:01.960 not coming out the gates hot, They're not coming out 1:49:02.000 --> 1:49:04.440 the gates with a big name or a world championship 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:07.439 level fighter in their main event, which was Calum Walls 1:49:07.600 --> 1:49:10.840 against Carlosokoppo, which wasn't really a good fight. I don't 1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:15.679 think Callum Wallash, who's decent, is a world champion material. 1:49:16.080 --> 1:49:18.719 But they did have some solid prospects on the undercard 1:49:18.760 --> 1:49:24.000 and Troy Nash, Emiliano Robert Garcia fight now all of 1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:27.160 a sudden, Emiliano card than us, and most importantly to me, 1:49:27.320 --> 1:49:28.600 Robert Merriweather. 1:49:28.200 --> 1:49:30.720 Who's a good young prospect at twenty years old. 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:36.680 The matchmaking was solid, and the Julian Rodriguez Kane Sanderbal 1:49:36.800 --> 1:49:38.800 fight was solid too. It had a lot of action, 1:49:39.120 --> 1:49:41.719 but a lot of people are using the world's word 1:49:41.840 --> 1:49:46.000 sterile to describe the vibe in there in that APEX METAPEX, 1:49:46.120 --> 1:49:50.400 whatever the fuck Pex it is Mark Ruderberg complex now 1:49:51.080 --> 1:49:55.800 and they're the The commentary kind of devolved, like at first, 1:49:56.360 --> 1:49:59.519 you know, Max Kellerman and andre Ward are dropping jewels 1:50:00.040 --> 1:50:03.439 X Kellerman is talking about how it takes a talented 1:50:03.520 --> 1:50:06.360 fighter to throw his lead right hand at a certain 1:50:06.479 --> 1:50:09.080 long distance and all that. But then eventually it just 1:50:09.160 --> 1:50:11.840 turned into the ZUFA boxing drinking game, like take a 1:50:11.880 --> 1:50:14.519 shot every time. Joe Tessitur and Max Kellerman are trying 1:50:14.560 --> 1:50:17.120 to give you the hard sell on ZUFA boxing, and 1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:20.240 it just kind of, I'll use your word that I 1:50:20.680 --> 1:50:21.519 came up with as well. 1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:24.200 It's kind of felt soulless and dystopian. 1:50:24.720 --> 1:50:29.160 It felt like this is just another chip towards you know, 1:50:29.320 --> 1:50:32.960 world domination for TKO and Ari Emmanuel and the people 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:36.800 running that ship. But the car did produce some good 1:50:36.920 --> 1:50:41.560 matchmaking and a lot of action. But as a first impression, 1:50:41.640 --> 1:50:44.679 I think it was underwhelming, giving given how much bravado 1:50:44.720 --> 1:50:45.800 they're coming into the game with. 1:50:45.960 --> 1:50:47.120 But it wasn't all bad. 1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:51.200 At the same time, what's left of top ranking Golden Boy. 1:50:52.200 --> 1:50:54.800 Yeah, they're in trouble Man, Golden Boy is going to 1:50:54.880 --> 1:50:59.320 Swerve TV, which is a local Los Angeles channel. Oscar 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:04.800 de la Joya his clapbacks. He makes good points, but 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:07.320 it's not coming from a very strong messenger. 1:51:07.439 --> 1:51:07.800 Right now. 1:51:08.240 --> 1:51:12.559 His building in La just got foreclosed, his original Golden 1:51:12.600 --> 1:51:13.400 Boy offices. 1:51:13.760 --> 1:51:17.000 He's in a lawsuit with his best fighter, Virgil Ortiz. 1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:21.240 His other best fighter and biggest attraction, Ryan Garcia, by 1:51:21.320 --> 1:51:24.960 all accounts, will be leaving him. Oscar may have some 1:51:25.200 --> 1:51:27.880 options on him for two fights thereafter, but he'll still 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:31.599 be able to leave for after this Mario Barrios fight. 1:51:32.160 --> 1:51:36.320 He wound up folding to Turkey Ala Chic and giving 1:51:36.560 --> 1:51:39.800 him Barrios and Garcia as opposed to keeping it at 1:51:39.800 --> 1:51:44.400 Amazon Prime fight with PBC. And what's odd about that 1:51:44.680 --> 1:51:47.280 is he in the lawsuit with Ortiz. He reportedly turned 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:51.400 down a two year extension with his own But then it's. 1:51:51.000 --> 1:51:53.920 Like, can't be lukewarm here. Then you got to try 1:51:53.960 --> 1:51:57.640 to make something happen on Prime potentially then another distributor. 1:51:58.080 --> 1:51:59.840 He still thinks he can get something done with this, 1:52:00.360 --> 1:52:03.200 which he may have to to keep Virgil Ortiz because 1:52:03.320 --> 1:52:06.439 Ortiz has a clause in his contract that if Oscar 1:52:06.479 --> 1:52:10.000 doesn't have a deal done with a network, specifically his own, 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:12.400 then he's he has a clause to get out of 1:52:12.439 --> 1:52:16.360 that contract. And then his third best fighter, Gilberto Zerto Ramirez. 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:19.360 I don't think he beats David Benavitez a single demayo weekend. 1:52:19.880 --> 1:52:22.280 So you know, I got love for Oscar. He's one 1:52:22.320 --> 1:52:23.720 of the great fighters I grew up with. 1:52:24.160 --> 1:52:27.320 I think he makes fair points against ZUFA, but it's 1:52:27.400 --> 1:52:29.760 not looking good for him and Golden Boy. And then 1:52:29.840 --> 1:52:33.000 with top rank they still have a war chest of talent. 1:52:33.080 --> 1:52:35.520 They got a lot of the talent on this Saturday's 1:52:35.520 --> 1:52:38.920 car Tia Fima, Lopez, Bruce Carrington and Keyshawn Davis are 1:52:39.000 --> 1:52:39.639 all top. 1:52:39.560 --> 1:52:42.160 Ranked talents, but they don't have a network. 1:52:42.280 --> 1:52:44.960 I think this fight with Xanderzeos, which is a unification, 1:52:45.120 --> 1:52:48.120 a hell of a fight with Abos Barral, That's gonna 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:51.040 be a hell of a fight, but it's in Xanderzeos. 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:54.360 If he wins, becomes the youngest unified champion in the sport. 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:57.360 But it's on Roku TV. I believe an app you 1:52:57.439 --> 1:52:58.240 gotta download. 1:52:58.439 --> 1:53:01.559 They got some stuff showing on two and I think 1:53:01.600 --> 1:53:05.439 a big problem for Todd Prank isn't completely just the 1:53:05.520 --> 1:53:10.360 network situation where they ended on a whimper with ESPN. 1:53:10.560 --> 1:53:14.200 They had some strong outings on there, Haini Lomachenko, Lomachenko 1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:16.400 against Tiafimo Lopez. 1:53:16.800 --> 1:53:19.160 They co promoted Fury and Wilder. 1:53:19.280 --> 1:53:21.599 That was great for the sport and they produced three 1:53:21.720 --> 1:53:24.519 great fights, two of which had to do with ESPN. 1:53:25.200 --> 1:53:28.680 But but I think the big problem for them is 1:53:29.280 --> 1:53:31.000 who's the successor for Bob Aram. 1:53:31.400 --> 1:53:33.800 The jury is out big time on Todd to Buff 1:53:34.200 --> 1:53:37.439 who's been underneath kind of like an underboss to Bob 1:53:38.640 --> 1:53:41.160 and it does a lot of the decision making. 1:53:41.320 --> 1:53:43.360 But the jury's out big time if. 1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:45.880 Todd to Buff is the kind of successor to Bob Aram, 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:48.120 if he could take them forward for the next sixty 1:53:48.200 --> 1:53:50.280 years like Aaron has for the last sixty years. 1:53:50.560 --> 1:53:53.439 I think if Aaron was twenty thirty years younger, they'd 1:53:53.439 --> 1:53:54.600 be in better shape. 1:53:54.320 --> 1:53:57.639 To withstand the storm of the Saudi Public Investment Fund 1:53:58.040 --> 1:54:02.160 and eventually offer a lucrative alternative to what ZUFA has 1:54:02.280 --> 1:54:02.600 going on. 1:54:03.160 --> 1:54:04.559 But top ranks in big trouble. 1:54:04.560 --> 1:54:06.439 Bob Aram's ninety four years old and they don't have 1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:08.880 a network, but they do still have a lot of talent. 1:54:09.760 --> 1:54:12.600 There's a lot else going on this boxing weekend. Bertazalie 1:54:12.640 --> 1:54:14.720 of his back. There's a whole bunch of things, but 1:54:14.800 --> 1:54:18.360 we gotta get it going. Sean, how can folks get 1:54:18.439 --> 1:54:20.080 more of your work? And what's your coverage plan for 1:54:20.160 --> 1:54:20.519 the weekend? 1:54:21.439 --> 1:54:23.719 Man, I'll be doing a live round by round watch 1:54:23.800 --> 1:54:27.920 party tomorrow night for the Bakra Murdazalia fight overseas against 1:54:28.000 --> 1:54:30.519 Josh Kelly. That's a good scrap. And then the whole 1:54:30.680 --> 1:54:33.600 ring card ring six tia Fimo and Shakor. I'll be 1:54:33.680 --> 1:54:36.440 live for that as well. Me and my guy Radio Raheem. 1:54:36.520 --> 1:54:39.280 We're gonna drop our instant reactions to that. We're gonna 1:54:39.360 --> 1:54:42.120 drop a reaction after the weigh in kind of give 1:54:42.160 --> 1:54:44.520 our final analysis on tia Fimo and Shakor. 1:54:44.640 --> 1:54:47.160 We'll have analysis right after the fight. I'll be live 1:54:47.280 --> 1:54:48.120 during the fight. 1:54:48.600 --> 1:54:52.000 And yeah, man, and I'm always in the gyms here 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:56.320 in Las Vegas getting quotes from champions and guys coming up. 1:54:56.840 --> 1:54:59.720 And Man, if you go to my channel, Shawanza tell 1:54:59.760 --> 1:55:01.840 I got I got a ton of interviews despite not 1:55:01.960 --> 1:55:04.440 being in New York City for this card. The access 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:07.440 isn't too great these days anyways, when you cover fights, Luke, So. 1:55:07.960 --> 1:55:10.360 If you can tell me about it, Yeah right. 1:55:10.480 --> 1:55:12.400 If you can get around the local gyms and talk 1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:15.000 to fighters there, you might wind up with more interviews 1:55:15.040 --> 1:55:17.840 than you would sometimes flying out to a New York City. 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:21.880 So I appreciate the time, man, shout out to you, Luke. 1:55:22.160 --> 1:55:25.280 We had Lawrence Taylor, we had Ladany and Tomlinson, and 1:55:25.360 --> 1:55:26.440 now we got Luke Thomas. 1:55:26.560 --> 1:55:28.040 Yeah, I'll take it. 1:55:28.760 --> 1:55:31.640 I also do coke and hang out with hookers. So 1:55:31.840 --> 1:55:33.840 me and the original lt Or we were killing it. 1:55:33.920 --> 1:55:36.360 We're killing it, Sean. Thank you so much. Man. We'll 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:38.080 look forward to your Coveragejoe weekend. We'll get you back 1:55:38.120 --> 1:55:38.960 on again soon. Thank you. 1:55:39.320 --> 1:55:39.840 Appreciate it. 1:55:39.920 --> 1:55:42.680 Brother. There he goes the great shawns to Tel. Can't 1:55:42.720 --> 1:55:44.240 recommend him enough. I got to figure out what's going 1:55:44.280 --> 1:55:48.760 on with my focus here on this here screen. All right, 1:55:49.400 --> 1:55:52.040 let's remind everyone one more time. First of all, my 1:55:52.120 --> 1:55:54.040 coverage plan for the weekend. I'll be watching I'm not 1:55:54.080 --> 1:55:55.560 gonna watch the whole car but I'm gonna watch the 1:55:55.600 --> 1:55:59.040 main event from my watch along I think on Saturday, 1:55:59.080 --> 1:56:00.880 and then I'll do the post fight through twenty five 1:56:00.920 --> 1:56:04.720 post fight show I hope to God diego Lopez. I 1:56:04.760 --> 1:56:06.080 don't care if you win or lose, but if you 1:56:06.120 --> 1:56:09.040 don't cage cut, I'm gonna kill you on air, all right, 1:56:09.080 --> 1:56:11.200 So there's that. Also, you can follow up. We'll put 1:56:11.200 --> 1:56:12.880 it back up one more time. The socials here. As 1:56:12.880 --> 1:56:14.840 you can see, there's Chucks who was here with us earlier. 1:56:15.160 --> 1:56:17.400 He's got a coverage plan, and then my stuff and 1:56:17.440 --> 1:56:20.840 then MK stuff. Don't forget these Stranger Danger design Morningcombat 1:56:20.880 --> 1:56:24.160 dot Shop time is of the essence you have today 1:56:24.320 --> 1:56:27.880 and tomorrow, and that is it. This goes away after that, 1:56:28.040 --> 1:56:30.960 so you can go to Morningcombat dot Shop to get those. 1:56:31.000 --> 1:56:33.320 And also don't forget Morningcombat at gmail dot com. We 1:56:33.360 --> 1:56:35.040 haven't done fan subs in a while, we haven't done 1:56:35.080 --> 1:56:37.480 dead wrongs in a while. We will still accept them. 1:56:37.520 --> 1:56:39.680 We should do those once a month, so we'll while 1:56:39.720 --> 1:56:42.520 we get that rotating back into the the the standard 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:45.440 rotation here pretty soon, Long Island, Why don't you promote 1:56:45.440 --> 1:56:46.280 what's going you got going on? 1:56:46.960 --> 1:56:48.840 I can't put myself on screen in this layoff, but 1:56:48.880 --> 1:56:51.720 either way, I gotta watch along. Saturday, I'll be doing 1:56:51.760 --> 1:56:54.600 the full card five pm Eastern, and I got ult 1:56:54.960 --> 1:56:58.120 back on prop Quiz against Jed Mishu, airing in twenty 1:56:58.160 --> 1:56:58.720 five minutes. 1:56:58.920 --> 1:57:01.520 No spoilers, don't make it reaction LT, just sign us off, 1:57:01.560 --> 1:57:03.640 please and thank you. Let's go every So there you 1:57:03.720 --> 1:57:03.880 have it. 1:57:03.960 --> 1:57:06.320 You can go check out main card minute for everyone 1:57:06.400 --> 1:57:08.840 on this show, for Chuck, for Shawn Ztel and Long 1:57:08.880 --> 1:57:11.120 Island Luke as well as the staff and everybody else. 1:57:11.200 --> 1:57:13.280 I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching. 1:57:13.480 --> 1:57:15.800 We'll catch you on Monday back with the Iceman himself, 1:57:15.840 --> 1:57:18.480 and until then, may all of your gains be loyal