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Speaker 1: is all wine, this is our passion. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm this this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat with the teacher from Charlie Brown's Peanuts.

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Speaker 2: What's up everyone? It is the thirtieth of January twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty sixth My name is Luke Thomas, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: another edition of Morning Combat. As you can see, I'm

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Speaker 2: Connecticut bozo and I'm returned a different one. I just

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Speaker 2: can't quit you Connecticut bozos. It's the iceman himself, Chuckmanton Hall.

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Speaker 3: Who when did you get home?

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Speaker 2: Ice Man? How long did that take?

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Speaker 4: God man, it was a it was an ordeal, Luke.

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Speaker 4: I got I finally got home Monday night. I was

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Speaker 4: it either it was gonna be Vegas or in connection

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Speaker 3: So I did what any color Radden would do.

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Speaker 4: I flew to Denver, watched the Broncos lose there, and

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Speaker 3: Did you stay with the parents.

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Speaker 4: I said, I stayed with my sister, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I was very bitter. I was like, I

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Speaker 2: cannot believe we're gonna let the Patriots go back to

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Speaker 3: Broke unbearable.

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Speaker 2: The most obnoxious fan base in sports, which is saying,

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Speaker 2: the most obnoxious fan bases in sports, and not even

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Speaker 4: The weather rolled in, man, I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: I saw both kickers miss field goals. If memory serves.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's an exciting AFC championship right there, when both like,

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Speaker 2: Well, that is now behind us. I guess what's left

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Speaker 2: get to what some sortant to us, which is the fights.

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Speaker 2: And there are a bunch of them this weekend. Today

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Speaker 2: USC three twenty five main event, main card, prelim card,

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Speaker 2: the whole nine yards supposed to have an update for you.

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Speaker 2: One of the fights did fall out and under comical circumstances,

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Speaker 2: we'll be joined by Sean Zittel, who's gonna walk us

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Speaker 2: through the entire weekend in boxing, one of the great

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Speaker 2: boxing scribes of our time. Give us a follow on

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Speaker 2: as well as for me and then Chuck himself. Chuck,

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Speaker 2: Yahoo related to this weekend's fights.

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Speaker 4: We've got like a big so Yahoo itself, the parent

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Speaker 2: He is well sober and sometimes not. You just never

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Speaker 3: Up, dude? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Guys? How are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Chuck? What I was gonna ask?

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Speaker 2: Are you guys in Long Island dealing with what we're

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it full card. Watch along by

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Speaker 4: In as an ausy. Oh wait wait you have Australian citizenship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, motherfucker.

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Speaker 4: The Australian person in human history.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm the least Australian Australian in human history.

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Speaker 3: Probably the clouds that's new, that's should show.

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Speaker 2: there that day. Five hundred and seventy thousand new subscribers

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Speaker 2: All I can say is the paramount has to be happy.

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Speaker 4: I do think that right now, you know, coming out

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Speaker 3: But I'm not sure like that. I made the.

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Speaker 4: Point in a column when they when they announced this

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Speaker 3: Does all that go away? That's these are the things

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Speaker 4: And you know, we were talking just a little bit

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Speaker 3: And you were kind of.

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Speaker 4: So much of that has eroded over time, and I'm

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Speaker 4: So much to be seen on this, So I think

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Speaker 2: My view on this is and this is just a hunch,

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Speaker 2: It was kind of funny over time during that media

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Speaker 2: that chuck, let's go to topic number two, which brings

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Speaker 2: us now to UFC three twenty five this is an

439
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 2: interesting one. At least it has the potential to be

440
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Speaker 2: an interesting one. So in the main event, we have

441
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Speaker 2: a rematch between reigning UFC Featherweight Champion Alexander Volkonowski and

442
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 2: he takes on Diego Lopez, who he fought in his

443
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Speaker 2: last contest to a pretty wide unanimous decision. Of course,

444
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Speaker 2: that was at UFC three fourteen in April of last year,

445
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Speaker 2: and as I mentioned, volk Wan a pretty wide victory. Now,

446
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: there's a bit of consternation about this matchmaking. Should it

447
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 2: have been made, should it not have been made? We've

448
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 2: talked a lot about about that on this show. But

449
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,119
Speaker 2: let's for a moment give it the benefit of the doubt,

450
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 2: just for the sake of argument. What are some realistic

451
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 2: scenarios in which the pre fight concerns about this matchmaking

452
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: would disappear, would fall away. What has to happen in

453
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 2: this fight for people to say, you know what, it

454
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: actually worked out great?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 4: I think that the first thing is, do you remember

457
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 4: the kind of the context as we went into that

458
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 4: fight the last time? Like, so, Diego got the fight

459
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 4: and uh, I think a lot of people viewed him

460
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 4: as one of the heavier punchers in the division, if

461
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 4: not one of the best, you know. I remember Dany

462
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 4: Gay right was after he'd fought Diego. He's like, dude,

463
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 4: this guy throws with full power on every shot he delivers,

464
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 4: and you feel everything Volkanovsky had coming off of a

465
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Speaker 4: couple of knockouts, and it was almost like you were like,

466
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 4: can he survive? I remember that I thought there might

467
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 4: be a little bit of an onslaught from Diego Sanchez,

468
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 4: Diego Sanchez, Diego Lopez early in that fight, and it

469
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Speaker 4: may not get out of the first round, that Vulk

470
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Speaker 4: may be susceptible to that. What happened instead was we

471
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Speaker 4: got this. If it wasn't a masterclass, it was certainly

472
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Speaker 4: like a return to some kind of vintage form of Volkanovsky.

473
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Speaker 4: And I think that when he was just kind of

474
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Speaker 4: piecing him up, landing on the counters, just you know,

475
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 4: thwarting anything that Diego was kind of coming at him,

476
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 4: and then actually making Diego a little bit, you know,

477
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 4: afraid to pull the trigger. You could see it all

478
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 4: unfolding in the first round. It lost a lot of steam.

479
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 4: It picked it up a couple of times in that

480
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 4: fight when there were moments for Diego later in the fight,

481
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 4: just a couple of there was a couple of big

482
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Speaker 4: moments where it looked like Vulk was could be in trouble,

483
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 4: but the pattern of that fight was kind of set,

484
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Speaker 4: and I think that anybody who kind of went into

485
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Speaker 4: that auxiliary of what we're going to go into the

486
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Speaker 4: Diego Lopez era, this is gonna be his moment kind

487
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 4: of like walked away from that like, wow, that was

488
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 4: anti climatic. He didn't really look like the guy we

489
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 4: thought he would, right. I think for this fight to deliver,

490
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 4: there needs to be a different tempo set in that

491
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Speaker 4: first round. I think Diego's got to be more you know,

492
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Speaker 4: deliberate with what he's doing. If he comes out there

493
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Speaker 4: and you know he gets in, you know he's able

494
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Speaker 4: to kind of land and it looks different like he's

495
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 4: he's he just looks like he's more prepared. Maybe he

496
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 4: was a little bit bothered by that big of a spotlight,

497
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 4: but if he just goes in there and he's able

498
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Speaker 4: to do that to Vulc early knowing Volks, you know,

499
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 4: you've talked about this a lot, just knowing Volk's ability

500
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: to adapt and all that stuff, and uh, you know,

501
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 4: make in fight adjustments.

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Speaker 3: I think that would look more exciting. That's just my

503
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Speaker 3: view it.

504
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm a little bit too die hard on this,

505
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: but I feel like if Diego goes in there and

506
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 4: actually looks like the aggressive guy that he's been advertised as,

507
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 4: I think we'd have a different fight.

508
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: There's a weird thing I've noticed with this belt, which

509
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: is people are complaining. And again I'm not even saying

510
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: the fact I agree. I just want to say I

511
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: agree if people are complaining, like this is not the

512
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: fight that should have happened. To what extent do you

513
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: think the paramount focus here? Especially again, this is only

514
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: the second ever event, one week later from their very

515
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: first event, where if you look at the other choices

516
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: that Bulk had to fight here, Laren Murphy would have

517
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: been a perfectly fine fight, but I don't know what

518
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: kind of action it would have delivered. Conversely, with Mozar,

519
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 2: I think that concern. You know, again, maybe a deserving contender,

520
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: but what kind of fight does it deliver? The Diego

521
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: fight you would think. Again, I'm not saying the first

522
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: one was a barn burner, but it certainly wasn't bad,

523
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: and the capacity for Diego to do violence is always

524
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: pretty high. Do you think that factor in here, the

525
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: ability to engineer action for a audience that might be

526
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Speaker 2: somewhat new and or more casual than normal watching.

527
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because and also Diego reminded everybody right like he

528
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: comes back, he blows up Jean Silva at that Mexican

529
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: Independence card in San Antonio, like he showed everybody again

530
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: like this is why you want a guy like that

531
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: near the top, right, And the fact that he was

532
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: headhunting that whole fight, like you broke this down right,

533
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 4: like you've done like a full analysis of this fight,

534
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: because it was.

535
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Speaker 2: Like three quarter I didn't finish the whole thing, all right, but.

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Speaker 4: See he kind of you know, even in the even

537
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 4: in the last round, like you know, as the fight

538
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: went on in the championship rounds, it was just like

539
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 4: he was still looking to land that shot that was

540
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 4: going to equalize the whole thing, which is there is

541
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Speaker 4: there is something to say about that kind of excitement,

542
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 4: you know. And even there's a fourth round exchange where

543
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: he hurt Volkanowski and Volkanowski was reduced to just like

544
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: you know, dropping changing levels, trying to go for singing,

545
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 4: like looking for the takedown because he was trying to recover.

546
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 4: I think that that kind of thing is going to translate.

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Speaker 4: Like you mentioned, you know, if you give to most

548
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 4: are who I think is fully deserving. But you know

549
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 4: that guy has only went to decisions and all of

550
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 4: his UFC fights to this point, he's won them all.

551
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 4: But do you really want to usher in an era

552
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: where you have Mozar all of a sudden as you're

553
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 4: champion after five rounds and you know everybody's asleep by

554
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: the end of it. And it's unfair to say, but

555
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 4: that's kind of the way his fights in some of

556
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: his fights have gone, and and larn was obviously like

557
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 4: he had a big knockout last time. But I think

558
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Speaker 4: for the bang for your buck, if you think about

559
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 4: it from the engineering standpoint, you're mentioning, Diego just has

560
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 4: that head, he has the look, he has the head

561
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Speaker 4: hunting quality.

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Speaker 3: You know, the B role is gonna look very nice

563
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Speaker 3: for him.

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Speaker 4: And you could actually point out, even from that first

565
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: fight the offense that he did have, Like right, you

566
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 4: could just zero in on that and you have kind

567
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: of instant drama as to how it might play out.

568
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 4: So I think that he was kind of obvious. You know,

569
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 4: he's an obvious guy from the UFC's perspective to jump

570
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 4: in there.

571
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: You know what's really interesting to me about this fight

572
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: is this is how do I say this exactly? This

573
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: is to me. The way in which this has the

574
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: capacity to be interesting to me is if it answers

575
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: one or both questions. So one, we kind of already

576
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: know that Vulcan is chinny. In fact, as you indicated,

577
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: he got dropped in that fight, it was not a

578
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: huge punch that dropped him, nor was he like terribly rocked.

579
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: I think it also just kind of knocked him off

580
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: balance a little bit, but it did drop him. And

581
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: I think he's always been a little bit chinny, but

582
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 2: his recoverability is quite great. To what extent does that

583
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: get tested or show itself to be even more compromised

584
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 2: this time? That could be kind of interesting. If he

585
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: wins four rounds then gets beamed in the fifth, and

586
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,239
Speaker 2: here's Diego winning, and it's like, you know, you can

587
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: only say it's because father time got to him, right,

588
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: because otherwise this would not have been a fight ending

589
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: scenario previously. Conversely, though, and this is the big one

590
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: for me, dude, if you watch that first fight. I

591
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: did a substack watch along with it, and I wanted

592
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: to pull my hair out watching this fight.

593
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: Diego Lopez, I'll do that, then you're gonna be the

594
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: second man.

595
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: You don't want that, Yeah, Diego Lopez didn't cage cut

596
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: in this fight at all. And I don't know to

597
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: what extent people know fully what that means or understand

598
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: the importance of it. But it's really basic idea. All right,

599
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: if you have here's here's me, and here's me and

600
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: my opponent. Right, if this is the octagon behind them,

601
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: octagon behind me, If they move, I don't just follow

602
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: them wherever they go. When they move, I cut them

603
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: off laterally, right, I cut them off laterally. And it's

604
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: insane to me that you have a guy like Vulk

605
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: who uses motion and movement both to set up strikes

606
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: as well as to turn his opponent to escape when

607
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: he wants to, to set up his jab, to set

608
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: up his step up leg kick, all the things he

609
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: likes to do. It's all predicated on motion. And the

610
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: times in which Diego had better luck with some exception

611
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: was when he backed up Volkanowski and then when he

612
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: narrowed his space and he almost did it by accident

613
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: rather than genuine understanding. And it's a whole team issue,

614
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: that whole team he comes from. These people don't do it.

615
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: I actually was speaking to some MMA coaches about this

616
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: in preparation for today's show, Chuck, and they none of

617
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 2: them knew what the answer was, like why these fuckers

618
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: don't cage kut? Like why how is that possible? And

619
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: their answer was they think that they may not necessarily

620
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: train in a cage, because if you trained in a cage,

621
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Speaker 2: you have to be kind of mindful of how the

622
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: space is distributed. But if you're just on an open mat,

623
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: people are just kind of moving and circling and orbiting

624
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: around each other without necessarily a ton of consideration given

625
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: to how that should be localized. If you take away

626
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Volks movement, a guy whose game is predicated on movement,

627
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: then you go from, in my view, having a puncher's

628
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: chance to a genuine chance. Right. I'm still my favorite

629
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: no matter what, because he's got so many tools, you

630
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But if he doesn't cage cut

631
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: and we're three rounds into this, I'm.

632
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: Gonna pull out a revolver and shoot my motherfucking screen

633
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 4: because you'd just be watching a version of the same

634
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: fight right and then and then and then the drama

635
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: is completely out of it off with this. To me,

636
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: a worst case scenario is like, it's basically just the

637
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: first fight redone again because one guy refused to learn

638
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: a foundational lesson. Of the people who don't understand this,

639
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: it's not just Evolk uses all that movement. It's that

640
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: a lot of times when he gets into trouble he's

641
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: able to just walk and reclaim center position in the octagon.

642
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, you cannot surrender territory like that to

643
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 4: a fighter this good.

644
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't care how senior he is. It's it's suicide.

645
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: It's suicide. So I gotta tell you. If he starts

646
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: to cage cut Chuck, I'm like, okay, now we're in business.

647
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: This is much more cut.

648
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: But if he doesn't, he doesn't, I'm gonna fly to

649
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: wherever he is and be like, what the fuck doud.

650
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: And if you watch like the first Like in the

651
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 4: first fight, do you remember part of the commentary they

652
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: go to the corners in the first round and they

653
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 4: kind of hear the instruction. Do you remember the criticism

654
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: coming out of that was that they're like, hey man,

655
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: you know you gotta be more gross get after him

656
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: like break, you know, without any technical advice whatsoever.

657
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: To Diego. They were just kind of telling him, like,

658
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: do better, man, do better. You remember this.

659
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan was kind of he was like, dude, tell

660
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 4: him how to do it. Like you're not telling him

661
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: how to do it. It will be it will be

662
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: hugely disappointing if he shows up and you feel like

663
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: he didn't learn anything, because I can guarantee you Volkanovsky

664
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 4: who sometimes does it in fight, like you see him

665
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: doing things where he's like, you know what, off the

666
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: off these brakes that left that left hand can land

667
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 4: pretty like you was doing both counters, like you could

668
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: see him doing that in real time. You know, he's

669
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: coming back with his adjustments and he's gonna kind of

670
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: be prepared probably for even what you're talking about, Like

671
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: he'll be prepared for a better version of Diego. But

672
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: if Diego shows up the same man, he's gonna get worked.

673
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: Just think about it this way. Imagine I realized that

674
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: the first Volkanovski fight is not like the first or

675
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: the first vocal Lopez is not like Patty Gaichi and

676
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: says that, you know, the scores are pretty similar, but

677
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: Patty took much more of a beating, right, Yes, okay,

678
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: but imagine somebody went to you and said, okay, Patty's

679
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: got nine months to get a rematch in. You know,

680
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: you're not saying he couldn't do a few things differently,

681
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: but he showed Geichie a lot of what he can

682
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: do and was just left wanting this is a case

683
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: where there's a wide open fix available now. How much

684
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: he can take advantage of it is certainly remains to

685
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: be seen. But it's not one of those things where

686
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: it's like, well you kind of showed him your cards,

687
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: you don't really have anything left. There is a massive

688
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: gap in what he's able to fix. So to me,

689
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, this is like, no bullshit. This is

690
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: a test of like, is Diego Lopez an idiot? And

691
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: I'm being serious. I'm not saying that he is. I'm

692
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: not saying that he is. What I'm saying is we're

693
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: gonna get a where is he? A fucking yeah, because

694
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: we're about to find out that answer on Saturday night.

695
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: Well, man, I mean, honestly, that's that hypes it up

696
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: better than a lot of what I've seen, Like I

697
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: mean to me that if that's the stakes, that's that's

698
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: not bad because I think sometimes you do need to

699
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 4: know does a fighter do they have and IQ that way,

700
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 4: part of what you're talking about is you knew he

701
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 4: wasn't going to adjust in that fight.

702
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: You knew that he was going to keep doing what

703
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: he was doing.

704
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: And therefore, you know, when we talk about plan b's

705
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: and stuff, there was no plan B, you know what

706
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 4: I mean, Like he was showing you exactly what he's

707
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: going to do.

708
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the numbers here if my if memory

709
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: serves yes, in fact it does. So he tried to

710
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: play Lopez tried to play like hurry up offense on Vulcan.

711
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: If you notice he doesn't effectively cage cut except that

712
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: he stands a little bit closer to Vulk in the

713
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: fifth round. But what ends up happening is number one,

714
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: he gets no tickdowns, he doesn't try for any, but

715
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: like you know, there's no it didn't change the game

716
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: up is what I'm pointing out. And also he landed

717
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: fewer than he did in rounds four and in rounds

718
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: two of the other rounds he only landed single digits.

719
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: So the other ones where he landed double digits, this

720
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: was the few the fewest amount of them, and vulk

721
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: landed the most on him of any round in the fifth.

722
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: So like, in other words, without effectively cage cutting, just

723
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: kind of standing up on top of a guy, he

724
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: got lit on fire for it is this is what

725
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: I mean, man, Like, I want to see what you're

726
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: made of, because of course he can beat good guys

727
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: no matter what. Right, he's dangerous, you know, yeah, but

728
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: against the guy who can think.

729
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 3: That's what it is?

730
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: You're right, And you know what's so funny, man, I

731
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: pointed this out to you before, like before this fight.

732
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: That fight happened in April. I had talked to.

733
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: Diego Lopez for a feature the December, so December of

734
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 4: twenty four. This is back when they were still deciding

735
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: if you'd fight a yeah year or if you would

736
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: end up getting Volkanovsky. And I can remember, man, he

737
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 4: was like, I want Vulkanov. His his whole team where

738
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: they were like, we want Volkanovsky. They felt so confident

739
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: that they were just going to be able to go

740
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: through Volkanovsky and that would USh you know, obviously you're

741
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: gonna have a title, and that would be that.

742
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 3: It didn't work.

743
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: And I feel like that they're still like if you

744
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 4: from what I've caught, I still feel like they have

745
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: the same mindset that way, like, hey, the first time

746
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: was a little bit of an anomaly or whatever it's going

747
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: to be, but it'll be different the second time. The

748
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 4: second time is going to be what we originally imagined.

749
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: And uh, I think you're right, man. It really does

750
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: come down to is he going to do the things

751
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 4: that will be winning you know, winning formula against Volkanovsky

752
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: because it's very difficult if you look at the Holloways

753
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 4: like series and you've probably broken this one down too,

754
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: because I know that you've studied Max a lot, like

755
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: in terms of what he's able to do, but how

756
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 4: Vulk was able to beat him down the stretch, like

757
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 4: as the fight you know, more fights and more you know,

758
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 4: more knowledge of what he's doing. That was what was remarkable, right,

759
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: Like It's just that you're like, dude, this guy's always

760
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: got something. He's he's such a thinking man that he's

761
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: always going to figure out where where his openings are.

762
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 4: It's like watching a quarterback sacked a defense. He knows

763
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: what you're bringing. He's gonna exploit this. He can explit this,

764
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 4: and once you try to cover that, he's gonna exploit this.

765
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 4: That's how he fights. So if if Diego just shows

766
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 4: up kind of like thinking, well he is chinny and

767
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: I know why I can catch him this time, that's

768
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: just I'm not sure that's the wisest move for him.

769
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: It's just puncher's chance. That's glorified punches.

770
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: That's how he I mean, that's what it looked like.

771
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 4: He looked like he was like, as soon as I

772
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: land the shot, that's what I need to do, and

773
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: that's how I win.

774
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: Right, Like he was just headhunting.

775
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: Uh, if Vulk loses stoppage or otherwise, let's ask this, Okay,

776
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: in the event that Vulk loses, does he retire? Is

777
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: there an automatic trilogy? Walk me through what happens?

778
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: Okay?

779
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: So, like if he got smoked in the first round,

780
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: like in a way that you're like, oh god, that

781
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: was hard to watch.

782
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: It'd be tough, wouldn't it.

783
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 4: Like I just feel like it'd be tough for Volkanowski

784
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: because you'd be like, he's probably not going to be

785
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 4: in mine for a trilogy because I don't think people

786
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: would want to necessarily see it. I don't think the

787
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 4: UFC would want to put it together. And at that point,

788
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: I'd be like, man, what is left for volkanovs? Get

789
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: this point? A guy who went thirteen know in that

790
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: division to start his career beat a who's who, Like

791
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: I mean, his legacy is so if I would he

792
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: have like four or five title defenses he went up,

793
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 4: he had that great fight against Islam, the first one

794
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 4: and obviously the second one did not go anywhere near

795
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: his way. I just think that what are you gonna do?

796
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 4: You know what, what are you gonna do? The fights

797
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: you're going to get at that point, you're gonna be

798
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: back behind the eight pill. You're probably gonna have to

799
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 4: get through somebody to even get a title shot. And

800
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: at that point, what are he thirty eight? You know

801
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like you're gonna be very late in

802
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: your thirties. And I don't see why he would continue.

803
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: Now if it's a fight where it's back and forth,

804
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 4: maybe controversial scorecards, whatever, it is like just a good

805
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: a good fight. I felt like then the trilogy, like

806
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: if he loses on the scorecards, you'd probably have to do.

807
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: He's earned that, right, like the kind of like you know,

808
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: status as a as a as a featherwaight go to

809
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: kind of get that right, Like I feel like you'd

810
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 4: have to give it to him.

811
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: Then, yes, I fully agree with that. I think your

812
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: diagnosis is correct. You saw the way and the excuse

813
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: be the well the face off from the way in.

814
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: There's also a pick of a Vulcan in an apron

815
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: he was he was a chef chopping the block or

816
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: like I got a sense of humor that he's got

817
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: the cw was that cooking with Cooking with Vulcan Championship

818
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: the cmvv WV excuse me, my glasses don't work as

819
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: well as they need to c WV cooking with Vulcan.

820
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: He's got good spirits. You know, this is an interesting fight.

821
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: If this is an interesting fight, if Diego finds a

822
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: way to make it interesting. But the Max comparison I

823
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: think is really interesting, right because first fight was close,

824
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: second fight started out with Max on a heater, and

825
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 2: then Vulcan rallied back, and then in the third one,

826
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: Vulk just ran away with it. You know what. I

827
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: so like over time there's a sense of even with

828
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: guys who have good ideas, he gets better over time too.

829
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 4: He's not shutting that cage we need. I hope there's

830
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 4: a I hope we have live footage if you watching that,

831
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna.

832
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: So so I'm gonna do a watch along, just not

833
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: for the whole card, but just for that fight. And

834
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: if he does a cage cut, I'm telling you, I'm

835
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: pulling out two fucking glock nineteens and I'm just gonna

836
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: be like Deadpool, just shooting that fucking whole setup, furious

837
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: that I wasted my life watching it. But I'm not

838
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm not predicting' not paying for and I'm hopeful that

839
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: Diego proved, you know, proves.

840
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: That he's got uc UFC once.

841
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: Like right, their druthers would be that you get do

842
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 4: because obviously, like if you are making a mostar fight

843
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: at some point at least there's a backstory there, at

844
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: least you can play on something and like you've got

845
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: some you know, better options for him.

846
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: Also not for nothing, but they've got one female Brazilian

847
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: champion and Mackenzie Dern, and they've got one male champion

848
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: in Poloton and that's it. And I'm not saying that

849
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: they're trying to engineer an artificially high number of Brazilian champions,

850
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: but I am saying it's obviously an important market to them.

851
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: So you know, putting a Brazilian in there and as

852
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 2: opposed to a Russian.

853
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: Or is he Mexican now, I mean like he's well.

854
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 4: That's the that's the best part you can kind of

855
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 4: least to the Mexican audience and.

856
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: They want you know, that's true.

857
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: Man. Let's talk about the rest of that main car

858
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: here in topic number three, and you know what, I

859
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: was discussing this with Long Island Luke. The top three

860
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: fights on this card are great, So let's start with

861
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 2: the other two ones in addition to the main event

862
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: that make this great, because after that there is a

863
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: bit of a drop off. I just think it's fair

864
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: to say that. So let's start with that Cole Maine event.

865
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: If we can't hear Chuck, Dan Hooker and Ben to

866
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: Wat Saint Deny they square off in As we mentioned,

867
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: this will be the the comin event on the UFC

868
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: three twenty five card. Would the winner here be a

869
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: number one contender, a BMF number one contender or neither

870
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: or potentially even both.

871
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: What happens here, Wow, the BMF would be more realistic

872
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: to me, right, even though like I feel like the

873
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: BMF is like for old school guys who've been around

874
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: for a while. But Dan Hooker, it's crazy, man, because

875
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: the dude's Dan Hooker, I know exactly.

876
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.

877
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: For some reason, when I think of Dan hook I

878
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: always think of him like, ah, he's been around since

879
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: like in the UF seasons twenty eighteen, something like that,

880
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: twenty fourteen man, like he's he's been around for a while.

881
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: I don't maybe he doesn't have the same you know,

882
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, like kind of reputation as a Donald CERRONI,

883
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 4: although he's got to be closer now than he ever

884
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: has or like justin Gaegee, But the dude is kind

885
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: of proving it over the course of time when you

886
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 4: look at who he's fought, you know, just his willingness

887
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: to fight. And obviously he's returning even on short notice

888
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 4: after being subbed out in his last swing his arm

889
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: on unfairly short notes this three or four months, like

890
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: he's jumping right back in there to fight another beast.

891
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: Within that division, So I feel like, you know, he

892
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: would warrant that sort of thing, and then it would

893
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 4: be like, and there's been one like does he kind

894
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: of fit that BMF thing too? I mean, he's certainly

895
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: got like that, that kind of style, you know what

896
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: I mean, like that kind of attitude.

897
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: So I think it would be more in play for that.

898
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: I just think that the recent slip ups, even though

899
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: I think San Deni has kind of proven that he's back,

900
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: especially that last fight where it was like, what was

901
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: his sixteen seconds that he went through? Uh, Darius, Like,

902
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: he's kind of proven to me that he's back and

903
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: that those losses he suffered earlier were maybe more anomalies

904
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 4: than you know, than we when we were saying at

905
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: the time. I still think that that dude has a

906
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: chance to be a champion in the division.

907
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: The Patty equation here is interesting to me because let's

908
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: think about it, right, So let's say Ben was Saint

909
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: Denie wins.

910
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: That's a great point too. Yes, yes, they could him

911
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: well do that. That's the thing.

912
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: It's like Patty's thirty one something like that, thirty one,

913
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: so he still got some time left. But I don't

914
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: know what part of the problem for me in that

915
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: fight with Geigee was like he showed him all he

916
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: had and it was like, well, yeah, came up short anyway,

917
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not not enough, not enough to buy this

918
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: ice cream today, you know what I mean? At the corner,

919
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: t end So what do you do with him? Yeah?

920
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: Do you do you give him the loser of the

921
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: BMF match? Do you give him the loser of this match?

922
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 2: Do you give him the winner of this match? Because

923
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: you can imagine BSD versus Patty that's a more competitive

924
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: and interesting, interesting five by virtue of how what would

925
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: happen on the ground, you might imagine. But do you

926
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: want to put him in that scenario or do you

927
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: try to rebuild Patty based off of If Dan Hooker

928
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: loses this one, there's obviously the fight you can easily

929
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: make and then you send BSD onto either the number

930
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: one contender for BMF or the bare minimum that you know,

931
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: maybe you make star Yuki and fight him or something

932
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: like that. Does that sound like a plausible scenario to you?

933
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 4: I think if pat like it's a great point with

934
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 4: Patty pimblet Like, I think, if if Patty, if you

935
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: can make Patty Pimblet against Hooker. I think you'd do

936
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 4: it because one, I do think that the UFC likes

937
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 4: Patty enough where they're like they would want to rebuild him.

938
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: I don't think you'd want to throw them in there

939
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: and just be like, here this is You're going to

940
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: be an underdog in this fight, and this could be

941
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: a you know, basically it for you in terms of contendership.

942
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: I think that you throw them in against Hooker and

943
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 4: you know, he should win that fight, right, like, like

944
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 4: on paper, he should win that fight.

945
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: That's a good fight, and they have the bad Blood.

946
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: I just think that you got, like the way that

947
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: Paramount plus, like you're saying about engineering, I feel like

948
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: maybe that would make more sense for them, especially if

949
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: they're I haven't really talked to this, but doesn't it

950
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: seem like they're going for more of a cinematic feel anyway,

951
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 4: Like the bad Blood may translate way different than Paramount

952
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 4: plus era than it did for ESPN Plus because now

953
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: you're talking about a streaming service that actually incorporates dramas

954
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: and shit into their product. You see, like what's his name?

955
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: The ghost space walking back behind uh, you know whatever

956
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 4: the you know for the Scream seven or whatever the

957
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 4: hell it was, like they had the guy they hadn't

958
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: walk in like through the thing. I'm like, they may

959
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: be incorporating that sort of thing. It's a bit of

960
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: a tangent. But dude, there might be like more of

961
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: a bad blood may mean more, like the drama of

962
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: the fights may mean more to this era than they

963
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: did previously.

964
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: I would imagine they would want to get on board

965
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: with that in terms of the upside here for me,

966
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: let's talk about the fight itself. Can I just tell

967
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: you one of the problems I have with it. It's

968
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: that Hooker just went up against a kind of guy

969
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: who's gonna try and wrestle and submit him. Which fine, Okay,

970
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: I don't That's not a reason to not do it.

971
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it doesn't make it like a fresh

972
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: challenge in that way. I know it's the first time

973
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: he's faced in this particular opponent. But what I'm trying

974
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: to say is, dude, that that guitar fight was not

975
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: that long ago, and Hooker got fucked up in that fight.

976
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 2: It's like, I've interviewed Hooker before. Do you remember after

977
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: Do you remember when Hooker fought Edson Barboza. It was

978
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: on Fox, I believe, and Cormier was commentating that fight.

979
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: And Cormier was on the broadcast begging, screaming at the referee,

980
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: not screaming, but yelling right for the fight to be stopped.

981
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: I interviewed.

982
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: I interviewed Hooker after that, and I was like, Bro,

983
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: aren't you concerned about like the amount of damage? He's

984
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: like no.

985
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm.

986
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Sorry, what? And his answer was well, because I distributed

987
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: it head to toe, so I don't have to worry

988
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: about too much concentration of damage in any one kind

989
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: of place. And I'm like, I don't think that's how

990
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: that works, bro, I don't.

991
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 4: That's not That sounds like all these philosophy on the ropes.

992
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: You know, he's trying to like send us absorb the shots.

993
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: It's like, you're gonna get fucked up doing this. So

994
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the thing. So here he is

995
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: returning relatively quickly against an opponent who has a pretty

996
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: good chance of doing this same kind of thing. I

997
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: like the matchmaking as such, like Dan Hooker versus BSD,

998
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: but the particular realities that they're bringing at this moment

999
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: I'm a little concerned for Dan Hooker, if I'm being honest.

1000
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: Well, same here. I mean when they made the fight,

1001
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 4: and sometimes you just look at the momentum of fighters

1002
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: and again, but I did this with Dustin Pourrie back

1003
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: in the day when he was fighting Santai and I

1004
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 4: was thinking, dude, they're just kicking the ice flow, aren't

1005
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: They're putting them on it, and they're like, so long,

1006
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: doesn't It's been a good career and obviously he was

1007
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 4: able to kind of turn things. I don't think that

1008
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 4: Hooker is going to be able to do that, man,

1009
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 4: you know, I just I don't think that that's happening.

1010
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 3: You know what's weird.

1011
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: The craziest thing about him, though, is that he's he's

1012
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 4: kind of he'll surprise you a little bit sometimes, right

1013
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 4: Like I thought when Hooker fought Gamra that that was

1014
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: a for sure that was gonna be Gamrock's fight, and

1015
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: even though it's super close, Hooker pulls it out and

1016
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: then he kind of revives his career. I'm not saying

1017
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 4: like he's got like he's he's got like that spirit.

1018
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 4: He's got like enough skill where he can put it

1019
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 4: all together and do something. He can shock some people.

1020
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: But I just think that Sandini, having already had the losses,

1021
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: especially that might Connell one where you're like, dude, that

1022
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: was that was uncalled for it. I feel like he

1023
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 4: had to dig a little deeper and kind of get

1024
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: rid of his ego again and kind of and recenter.

1025
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: And the guy I've seen since then looks like the

1026
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: marauder we thought he was going to be the whole way.

1027
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: So I think this is just a bad setup for Hooker.

1028
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: Man.

1029
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: I think he's catching a guy at the exact wrong time.

1030
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right, and the winner of this,

1031
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: if it's BSD, he wins via stoppage for me, the

1032
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: winner against You'll put him in a BMF fight if

1033
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: you want. I mean, I don't know what the UFC

1034
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: has a vision for that or when that might be,

1035
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: but that's absolutely a fight you could do. And then

1036
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: you just send Hooker to fight Patty, and then you

1037
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: know that, really, do you like this BMF belt?

1038
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: Now? Weren't you, like go one of the early guys

1039
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 3: whos like get rid of that shit?

1040
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, here's I mean, here's the thing. Here's why I

1041
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: feel like I'm at peace with the BMF belt, at

1042
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: least for right now. Number one, the person who wears

1043
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: it gets more money. Yeah, automatically. I like that true. Secondly,

1044
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: the belt will have as much legitimacy as the person

1045
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: who wears it and what they did to get it.

1046
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't on its own carry, but it has some

1047
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: right Yeah. And dude, the way in which Max beat

1048
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: gaatech you to do it, and what he represents at

1049
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: this stage of his career and now he's going up

1050
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: against another war horse in Charles. Does it need a belt?

1051
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't need a belt. It doesn't necessarily mean anything

1052
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: in that sense. But I value it a little bit

1053
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: by virtue of who occupies the office, so to speak.

1054
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: Longa Lucas being a fucking hate bring him in quick.

1055
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 2: Why are you racist towards Hawaiians?

1056
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: Not at all? I just said the BMF belt is whack.

1057
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 3: What you can just put on fun fights.

1058
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 5: I'm all for the fighters being paid more and stuff,

1059
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 5: so good for them that the belt is on the

1060
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 5: line and they get more.

1061
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: I'm not like hating on that.

1062
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: But what if they change the rules in BMF fights

1063
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: like ten minute first rounds and shit like that?

1064
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 3: Probably, dude, stupid to me?

1065
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 5: Why not make it's like boxing at this point, where

1066
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: were like Jake Paul that had a belt at one

1067
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 5: point that was like these super fight belt or some

1068
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 5: stupid shit like I just get rid of not here

1069
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 5: for it.

1070
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: Sorry out he's he's a little racist against Hawaiian.

1071
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 7: I don't.

1072
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: Again, the belt doesn't serve a purpose other than for

1073
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: marketing material, but I do think that it carries a

1074
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: little bit more gravitask given who currently occupies the office.

1075
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 4: The last couple especially too, I feel like if they

1076
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 4: didn't get those fights like that last one especially, I mean,

1077
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 4: if you don't get that fight, maybe it seems stupid,

1078
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 4: but that actually felt like something was on the line

1079
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 4: and that just happened to be the accessory.

1080
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: Max won the belt with arguably the greatest knockout in

1081
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: US history. I agree, man, something to be said for that. Yeah. Now,

1082
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: another great fight on this card, if I do say

1083
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: so myself. Rafaelf is Eve although we had Jed Michue

1084
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 2: calling him Halfayel because he's a fucking idiot, but he

1085
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: is still not aged out from another title push. He

1086
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: is still kind of eligible. Here they are facing off.

1087
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 2: He's Glibe against Mauricio Hoofi. Now This is an interesting

1088
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: one for me, right, Chuck, because Fazeve came up zero

1089
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: for two against Gegee, but Gaygee's proving to be a

1090
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: little more resilient. He obviously has a fan friendly style,

1091
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: so does Roofi. But it looks to me like Fazev

1092
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: really now wants to make a push for a title.

1093
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: He feels like I've gotten a lot of learning done

1094
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: out of the way, and Hoofi leaving what appears to

1095
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: be the fighting Nerds to go train in Australia with

1096
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: Volkanovski in that whole camp. A lot of uncertainty about

1097
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: this one. I gotta tell you, I love this fight,

1098
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: but am I allowed to say that I have a

1099
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: little bit concern that they're gonna do to Hoofi what

1100
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 2: they did to my man who did the backflips? I

1101
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: forget his name. The Brasilian did the back flip? What's

1102
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: his name? Long Island Michelle? Michelle? Yeah, where they take

1103
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: a guy who's wild and exciting in order to make

1104
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: him good, they make him boring? What to what extent

1105
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 2: are you feeling that that could be a factor given

1106
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: that the space these two are entering this fight in.

1107
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 4: God, I didn't really thought that's a great comparison though,

1108
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 4: Like you're right, because when people were hearing Hoofy, they

1109
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: were thinking, Okay, we could get a knockout of the

1110
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: year candidate. That's crazy expectations to bring into a fight.

1111
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: That seems kind of legit because I don't know if

1112
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 4: his I don't know if he was going to be

1113
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: sustainable to go in there and and do what he

1114
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 4: had been doing. But I feel like there was like

1115
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 4: some trouble in the in the Fighting Nerds. I did

1116
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 4: a big piece on them last April, right before right

1117
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 4: when the things started to spiral a little bit for them,

1118
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 4: and I talked to Hoofy in Miami and he was

1119
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 4: with one of his coaches and they were already talking

1120
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 4: about like starting a gym in New Hampshire. So they

1121
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: were thinking about coming up to New England and kind

1122
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 4: of breaking off and doing their own thing, like a

1123
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 4: satellite of the Fighting Nerds. I have no idea where

1124
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 4: that ended up, but it didn't surprise me in the

1125
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: slightest for some like given that kind of information that

1126
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: he was elsewhere and I don't know, I'm I'm not

1127
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: suggesting there's like acrimony between the team or whatever, but

1128
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: there's I think there's been a feeling that maybe he

1129
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: needs to because he's super young guy still, Like, I

1130
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: think there's a feeling that he needs to, uh, you know,

1131
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: pick up other elements of the game if he wants

1132
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 4: to be sustainable and get a chance down the line.

1133
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 4: I hope though, like you're what you're mentioning at off

1134
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 4: the top, I just hope it's not. It doesn't come

1135
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: with a compromising his you know, excitement levels, because when

1136
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: you book that guy even right now, right like when

1137
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: they booked this fight, especially against the guy like Physibe,

1138
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: who like has put on some really fun fights that

1139
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 4: brad Rydell, Remember that one where he just lit him

1140
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 4: up got It was so like that's when I really

1141
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 4: paid attention that dude, because it was just so technical

1142
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: and clean. You make this fight and just this one

1143
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: stood out to me. I was like, now that's a

1144
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 4: fun fight. It felt to me like the kind of,

1145
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: you know, the bang for your buck type of fight

1146
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: for this card.

1147
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Phyzeve here for one thing, because it's

1148
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. I'm looking at the UFC stats for Physive.

1149
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 2: PHYZIV got two takedowns on just engageing he got four

1150
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: takedowns on Bob Mundez, just given how bad who he

1151
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: was on the ground against Ben was Saint Denis. I

1152
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: think it's a real chance you might see if Zeve

1153
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 2: mix things up here, because Hoofi is probably still gonna

1154
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: be real fucking dangerous on the feet, at least in part.

1155
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: You would imagine if not in full and then on

1156
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: the ground, how much, how much? How much could he

1157
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 2: be better relative to the fight that he had against

1158
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: BSD Like not groundwork takes time to get better out,

1159
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be that much better. So you may

1160
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: not get the knockout that you're looking for here, right.

1161
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: It's also a possibility you may not.

1162
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 4: But I will say that Physiv loves to play that

1163
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 4: game though a little bit like he does love to

1164
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 4: stand like he just likes to He likes to engauge

1165
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 4: man like.

1166
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: He like he trusts his striking.

1167
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, does it get like it's always one of

1168
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 4: those things with a guy like that, you know, it's like,

1169
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: you know, you got to kind of convince him to

1170
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 4: do other things to be smart to win a fight.

1171
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: He very well could be.

1172
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 4: You know that three fights skid where he had the

1173
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 4: injury to uh, in the in the middle fight between

1174
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 4: the gaychee fights, like those type of things, you could

1175
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 4: look at them and be like, yeah, he could have

1176
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: easily won the gay chie fights. You know, like if

1177
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: he's just doing a little bit, if he's just going

1178
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 4: about thing a little bit differently, but he kind of

1179
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 4: defaults into like just mad man, you know, like kind

1180
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 4: of swinging with the guy, and that's when he gets

1181
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 4: pieced up and he always it feels like he gets

1182
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 4: hurt in those type of fights. If he does that

1183
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: against Hoofie, I would be like, as far as his

1184
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: like I'm revving up for a title shot, that would

1185
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 4: all be gone.

1186
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 3: Man, I mean, you just can't. You can't. You can't.

1187
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: Your default can't to be incautious, right, you can't default

1188
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 4: to incautious and expect that to survive.

1189
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: Also, if excuse me, Hoofy, I feel like at twenty nine,

1190
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: I'm not saying a loss here is like totally great,

1191
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: but it's forgivable in part because if he's trying to

1192
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: make improvements, it's going to take some time. But with

1193
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: Phazi thirty two and ten months at the point of

1194
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: this fight will be nearly thirty three. I'm not saying

1195
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: that's over the hell either, but it's a little bit

1196
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: more like shit or get off the pot if a

1197
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: title fight is going to happen here for you. This

1198
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: is kind of the moment where you got around this corner,

1199
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: which I think the pressure's on him, Like again, it's

1200
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: not great of hoof he loses, but it's real bad

1201
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: if if PHYZIV loses, given the end that he's got

1202
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: the potential to.

1203
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: How good is that that division? You remember the time

1204
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 4: we were like we're doing a pre game. It was

1205
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: at the studio with PC and we talked about, dude,

1206
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: look at all the guys coming up at lightweight.

1207
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: It's like one of these remember this.

1208
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: It was crazy and the fact that I know the

1209
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 4: physique was one of these guys that you're like, you're

1210
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 4: watching like, man, I mean, he's just a he's a monster,

1211
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: you know, Like and the fact that he hasn't got

1212
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 4: a title shot like these years later, it just tells

1213
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 4: you how just how crazy that division is.

1214
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: Man.

1215
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 4: And it was Gaechee obviously, like who kind of delivered that.

1216
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 4: It was like the old guard, But that division over

1217
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 4: the last few years has just been so good. And

1218
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 4: this this card is very like symbolic of that, because

1219
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 4: those two fights, even if you don't love that main event,

1220
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 4: if you're like, ah, the rematched, we just saw that fight.

1221
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 4: I mean those two lightweight fights, man, that you should

1222
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 4: tune in for those alone, right like that. It's just

1223
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 4: so good. Yes, I totally agree.

1224
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: Which brings us, of course, to tie to Ivasa, who

1225
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 2: hasn't won since Abraham Lincoln was in office, and he's

1226
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: fighting Talis and t Shia this weekend. The odds, by

1227
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: the way, currently taytou Ivasa plus two seventy, Talis and

1228
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: Tashera at minus three forty. Just to remind everyone, if

1229
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: I haven't already understand the context which Taytuyvasa enters its contest, Chuck,

1230
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: here is the losing streak. He lost to Gyrzenio Rosenstrike

1231
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 2: in August of twenty twenty four. Before that, Marching Taibora

1232
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: in March of twenty twenty four, Before that, Volkov in

1233
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: September of twenty twenty three, before that, Pavlovich in December

1234
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, Before that Cyril Gone in September

1235
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two. He last won in February of

1236
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and he beat Derek Lewis. By the way,

1237
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: the God lost, the Pavlovitch lost, the Volkov loss, and

1238
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: the tay Bora loss, all via stoppage. The Rosen Strike

1239
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: one was a split and also Chuck Arguably the worst

1240
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: fight ever. Is this do or die for Taytouyvasa.

1241
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 3: I think it has to be. And I know, man,

1242
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: they love him.

1243
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 4: You know, he brings in the showy thing and like

1244
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 4: you go in Australia, it's just it's he's like one

1245
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 4: of those guys that you want to have on your card.

1246
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 4: He's part of the celebration. But he has just been

1247
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 4: He's been almost an anomaly. I I know that you like,

1248
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: this isn't a guy that you're going to like, you know,

1249
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 4: You're not gonna look at him and be like, oh

1250
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 4: my god, Like look at all these different technical things

1251
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 4: he's doing in a fight that makes him win. You're

1252
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 4: not gonna do that. But he is a streaky, streaky fighter.

1253
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 4: It almost reminds me like of a guy who's like

1254
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: playing you know, dice or something or like you know

1255
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 4: it craps and he's like he goes on a heater

1256
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden. Once it goes cold,

1257
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 4: it goes completely cold because before then he had won,

1258
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 4: Like like if you look at his his Wikipedia or whatever,

1259
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 4: like it's just it's like all wins, bunch of losses,

1260
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 4: all wins, bunch of losses. He does not mix it up.

1261
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: It's like, so if he's able to get off to Shaneid,

1262
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows, he might go on a five

1263
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 4: fight winning straight in that division. But I feel like

1264
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 4: at six in a row, especially like you mentioned man

1265
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 4: getting finished the way he has and not really showing

1266
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: a ton like maybe you maybe you can contradict me here,

1267
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 4: but he hasn't really shown a lot of like evolution

1268
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 4: to his game. It feels like he's just kind of

1269
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna go in here, I'm gonna do my

1270
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 4: style and hopefully it works. You know, I don't know,

1271
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 4: you can't really keep a guy like that around at

1272
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 4: six right, like if you especially in that division, if

1273
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 4: he gets knocked out too, Like I just he's only

1274
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 4: thirty two years old. But man, I just you don't

1275
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 4: want to see a guy putting Harm's way that many

1276
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 4: times who doesn't belong there at that point. Yeah, as

1277
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 4: long a island Luke points out Tay two Vasa's career

1278
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 4: one three, lost three, one to five, lost five. That

1279
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 4: is so bizarre that it's like a weird that's such

1280
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 4: a strange trajectory.

1281
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: But that is so insane. I mean, I don't even

1282
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: know what to say about this bout. It's like Tasa

1283
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: Tashira is tall and he's dangerous, but he's there to

1284
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: be hit, and Tay too, Vasa can hit. And it's like,

1285
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: if you can't beat an opponent like this, I don't know.

1286
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there may not be guys on the roster that

1287
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 3: you could beat at this point.

1288
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just I don't know if this is gonna

1289
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: work for you here, you know what I mean. I mean, again,

1290
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: to your point, they might keep him because Australia and

1291
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff.

1292
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 4: But I mean, I mean, you're I'm right though, way right.

1293
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 4: There's not like you're not seeing things from fight to.

1294
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I mean and again he didn't he

1295
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: didn't make as many boneheaded decisions in the Rosen Strike fight,

1296
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: but he was so boring that he let the fight

1297
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: get away from a you know, as worse. I know,

1298
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: it's definitely much worse. Let me pull up the stats

1299
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: on that one. If I can for just a second,

1300
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: please forgive me titovasa here. This is the rosen strike God,

1301
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: This of Jesus. He landed over the course of three

1302
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: rounds just thirty seven strong miles. That is anemic. He

1303
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: landed nine, thirteen and fifteen respectively. Meanwhile, Biggie Boy landed nineteen,

1304
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: thirty six and thirty six, so obviously he kept pay

1305
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: no takedown, attempts, no nothing, and you know it's just

1306
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 2: punching and low kicking the whole time.

1307
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: That said, I was it a split decision.

1308
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 4: I forgot like I think I've scrubbed it from memory,

1309
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 4: but that sounds because it was pure ass.

1310
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 3: Judges drifted off.

1311
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: But a fight is so bad and so boring and

1312
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: so boring it can honestly be like, Okay, who the

1313
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: fuck is winning this bullshit? Like it honestly is a

1314
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: little harder. It's harder to kind of keep up with

1315
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: it when like very little is happening that effectuates change.

1316
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 4: This is We didn't get a chance to talk about

1317
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 4: zoof of boxing, but I was there, and I don't

1318
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 4: know if it's easier for you to judge boxing or MMA,

1319
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 4: but given the Zufo boxing, Like you're mentioning this and

1320
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 4: this is something I thought about, Like you got some

1321
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 4: you know, you got these judges. The room's completely dead,

1322
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 4: like everybody's drowsy in the room. There's no energy whatsoever.

1323
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: And the fights are all destined to go that whatever

1324
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: their you know, six rounds, ten six rounds, ten rounds

1325
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 4: are gonna go. They're all gonna go as many as

1326
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 4: they're scheduled, you know how about Like I couldn't do that,

1327
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 4: like and so like I just I find myself daydream

1328
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 4: and then I'm like, who am that last round? I

1329
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 4: think that would be so difficult to fight through when

1330
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 4: you've got a super boring fight, and especially when the

1331
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 4: atmosphere SAgs to that level.

1332
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: That must be tough.

1333
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, I score. I feel like I score MMA

1334
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: better than I score boxing.

1335
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1336
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 2: I think BC's probably a little bit the opposite obviously,

1337
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: which would make sense coming from boxing, But I don't

1338
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: know how It's like I saw with Dani's you know, oh,

1339
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: undefeated record in boxing now is going to mean something,

1340
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, that might be true, but

1341
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: it's like, bro, they give these guys squash matches because

1342
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: the ship rules, you know what I mean, Like, that's

1343
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: how that's how you build a star. You got to

1344
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: give us.

1345
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 4: Nobody's looking for parody on the early prelims. You know,

1346
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 4: you're looking for some knockouts to get rolling.

1347
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 2: I just want this guy to get some work against

1348
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: some jobber who, you know, yeah, fucking does nothing in

1349
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: his life. I don't. I'm not. I don't. I don't

1350
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: need I don't need it to be like, oh this is.

1351
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 4: Really that was a tough gig for those judges out

1352
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 4: in Vegas though, And I will say that that.

1353
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: Was hard when they all go the distance on a

1354
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: boxing an hour and you're like, fuck me.

1355
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 4: I sent you a picture from the room. Yeah, dude,

1356
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 4: that that looked lively compared to how it felt. I mean,

1357
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: it was just so bad in there.

1358
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: It felt it felt really.

1359
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 4: Just died, man, Like that main event where it should

1360
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: be like picking up and you know, like there should

1361
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 4: be some excitement.

1362
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: Is it was so quiet that I, like I said

1363
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 3: this in a column.

1364
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 4: I was like, it was so quiet that if you

1365
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 4: were an activist and you were like I, you know,

1366
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 4: you say no to the you know, Ollie Reform Act,

1367
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 4: you could have yelled that out and everybody would have

1368
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 4: heard it would have been like the biggest bang for

1369
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 4: your buck possible, right because everybody would have heard it

1370
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 4: on the telecast, and so it was just so dead

1371
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 4: in there. Man, it was I felt bad for the

1372
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 4: guys in the ring, you know, because you're like, how

1373
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 4: do you even get up for this? Like how do

1374
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 4: you keep getting off your stool and like get excited?

1375
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 4: It was it was rough man.

1376
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't watch much Callum Walsh and I won't

1377
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: in the future.

1378
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: He didn't blow you away.

1379
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: No, let's talk about the last fight on this main card,

1380
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: which is kind of an interesting one, actually pretty interesting one.

1381
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: It came together last minute. But a guy I've got

1382
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 2: my eye on. I think a lot of people do.

1383
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 2: Quillan saw Killed got the weirdest name I've ever seen,

1384
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: taking on Jamie Malarkey, who is a good and decent

1385
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: Australian fighter. But Quillan sal Killed, coming off of maybe

1386
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 2: the knockout of the year, seems to have a little

1387
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: bit more of a higher profile. As I indicated, Chuck,

1388
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: it came together this fight a little bit by accident

1389
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: with a late repricement. Notice kind of happening here. But

1390
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: if you're saal killed, it seems like a good opportunity

1391
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: to make a little bit more of a name for yourself.

1392
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 3: I think so.

1393
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 4: And like the I'm Long Island Luca to weighing on

1394
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 4: this too, but like, uh, you know, you get AUSSI

1395
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 4: versus Austin kind of unique, right like you We've talked

1396
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 4: about this a little bit, but it feels to me

1397
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 4: a little bit like a showcase for for Salk because

1398
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 4: you know, coming off of that, you know that that

1399
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 4: big knockout that he had, This feels like an encore performance.

1400
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 4: And if you look at Malarkey, like just over the

1401
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 4: course of time, he's been in the UFC for a

1402
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 4: long time and he's I think he's six and six,

1403
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: Like he's one of those guys who you know, he's

1404
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 4: going to be a gatekeeper and I know they hate

1405
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 4: that word, but like you're he's a gatekeeper too, Like

1406
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 4: do you belong in the upper or are you down

1407
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 4: here with me? And this so it feels like that

1408
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 4: big moment for Sulky to kind of just style on

1409
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 4: a guy.

1410
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: That's how I see this one.

1411
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 2: Long Island Luke as a resident phony Australian.

1412
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 3: Why are you gonna call me phony. I'm a citizen,

1413
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: bro Chill. It's just more Australian than you're Indian. Geez,

1414
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 3: I don't claim to me. Yeah, you guys told me

1415
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 3: it was.

1416
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: I wasn't claiming to.

1417
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 3: Be born there you are? You know whatever?

1418
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: All right, tell me about this Australian on Australian violence.

1419
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 5: I mean Quillen seal kild, biggest favorite on the card.

1420
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 5: He's minus one thousand right now, not much value on him,

1421
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 5: but everyone thinks he's probably gonna knock out Jamie Malarkey.

1422
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 3: Jamie Mlarky's been knocked out six times before.

1423
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 5: And you can get Quillan salth killed by knockout at

1424
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 5: minus one forty five, which is a pretty damn good

1425
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 5: price considering his a minus one thousand favorite personally over

1426
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 5: one and a half rounds right now is plus money

1427
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 5: on DraftKings plus one thirty.

1428
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 3: I'm taking that.

1429
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 5: Both guys hit it in four of their last six fights,

1430
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 5: hoping because they're both Ausie, there's some camaraderie there they

1431
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 5: go a little longer.

1432
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 6: You know.

1433
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 5: Maybe there's too much hype around Quillan because he's got

1434
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 5: two nice ass knockouts, but he did go the distance

1435
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 5: with yanal ash moves so and you know, does anyone

1436
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: really remember that guy?

1437
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: Now?

1438
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 5: So there you go, Jamie Malarkey. I'm hoping that chin

1439
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 5: holds up, hoping it goes long, rooting.

1440
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: For I hope it goes quickly because I'd like to go.

1441
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 2: I will say this for the first broadcast, and I

1442
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: know that Zach Candido tweeted like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it

1443
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: was the first One's a little different, right, but dude,

1444
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: it was. It's like nine to thirty and they're on

1445
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: their like third sizzle reel and I'm like, guys.

1446
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 3: Let's go to Brent Musberger. I don't need.

1447
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 4: To hear from Travis motherfucking Barker on his zilgin drum

1448
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: sets forty minutes into the broadcast, Start the fights, please.

1449
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 4: So my understanding is we're not going to get that

1450
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 4: this time.

1451
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 3: It wasn't Stem. Imagine if it was Stem performing, bring the.

1452
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted to Stem a fucking thing in my

1453
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 4: eyes what I wanted to do.

1454
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 2: All right, let's go. Let's go now to topic number four,

1455
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: which is genuinely I was doing some research for this

1456
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 2: for topic number four, and I you know what, hold

1457
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: on before we do that. Before we do that, let

1458
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: me let me back up step. We will get topic

1459
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: four in just a second. But first, first, first, you

1460
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: guys know how the show goes. It is presented by DraftKings.

1461
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: The crown is yours, Chuck, do me a favor. I'm

1462
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: gonna pull this up here from our friends at sportsbook

1463
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: dot DraftKings dot Com. And I'm looking now at the

1464
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: sports book and they've got all different kinds of lines

1465
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: on this. So you heard the one there from Long

1466
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: Island Luca about the over under on that one. Let's

1467
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: go now to the top of the car. Let's talk

1468
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: about for Vulcan Lopez and see what kind of bets

1469
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: we got here they've got. Let's see walk me through

1470
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: this if you can. Long Island does over under four

1471
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: and a half units at minus one fifteen. Oh that's

1472
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: total rounds.

1473
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 3: Oh okay, it's the over under four and a half rounds.

1474
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 5: It's a pick them right now minus one fifteen.

1475
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: Minus one fifteen. Would you does that a bet? You take?

1476
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 5: I like plus money only bets, so I wouldn't. Okay,

1477
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 5: there is good value there. The first fight did go

1478
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 5: five rounds. This one probably goes five rounds, so you know,

1479
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 5: it's a decent bet. I'm more interested in, like, I

1480
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 5: don't know, man, maybe the Vulcan spread bet minus five

1481
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 5: and a half at plus one thirty, where it's like

1482
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 5: if Vulk just covers the spread, so he has to

1483
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 5: cover it by five and a half points, meaning he

1484
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 5: could win three rounds on two judges scorecards and like

1485
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 5: one round on the other, I'd still cover.

1486
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.

1487
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 5: You gotta do the math. There's plenty of outcomes that

1488
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 5: could make that's there. Folk By decision is plus one

1489
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 5: fifty right now. I like that a lot too.

1490
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: Also, I got to say, they've got Ben Wassing Denie Chuck,

1491
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah at that first of all plus one thirty five

1492
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: overall on his odds. But here this is the one

1493
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: that's more interesting to me. They've got the over under

1494
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: on this one for one and a half rounds. I

1495
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: like bsd's chances, And I'm not saying there's in a

1496
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: world he doesn't run them over. But what I am

1497
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: saying is there's also dude, Hooker could be tricky, Yeah,

1498
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: for is crafty. There's ways in which this one goes

1499
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: a little bit long.

1500
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you like the over on that possibly.

1501
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: I mean as a as a bet Yeah, I mean

1502
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: straight up, you know, hard to say exactly what's gonna happen,

1503
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: but like trying to find value in the betting.

1504
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 3: Like especially if it goes past the first Yeah, you

1505
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 3: like the over.

1506
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 4: I think if it goes past the first, I mean

1507
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 4: it seems to me that, you know, Santinio always kind

1508
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 4: of that first round is the one you're like the

1509
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 4: most dangerous.

1510
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 3: If it goes beyond that, things change a little bit.

1511
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the Hoofy and PHYSI fight

1512
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 2: going the distance or not? Yes?

1513
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 4: Me, Yeah, I don't think it does. I don't think

1514
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 4: it does. I think that, like the it's kind of

1515
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 4: one of those situations for me. And I know that

1516
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 4: if his if his eve has not been like finished

1517
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 4: like that, but if he goes in there and plays

1518
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 4: in cautious like we were talking about, I could see

1519
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 4: him getting slept. And there's another part of me that's

1520
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,439
Speaker 4: like I easily really I think he's a very good

1521
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: stand up fighter, so I think he could catch Hoofy

1522
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: the other way.

1523
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 3: So I don't know that what is the line on that?

1524
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it set it one and a half

1525
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 3: or is it?

1526
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1527
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 4: What it's on the on Whofi no hoofi and physive

1528
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 4: is two and a half two and a half, okay,

1529
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 4: because I was like, I like the under on that one.

1530
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 4: If it was one and a half, I'd be on

1531
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 4: the fence, but like two and a half, I kind

1532
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 4: of like the under there.

1533
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 5: I like to perceive money line in that fight at

1534
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 5: plus one oh two, I think I think he's going

1535
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 5: to get the nod.

1536
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: There's okay. I also have to say I like this. Honestly,

1537
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: I know no one believes in taichuy Vasa, but they've

1538
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: got him right now at plus money on the money

1539
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: line at plus two sixty.

1540
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 3: It's not it has that shot.

1541
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. It's like, do I have a

1542
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: strong degree of belief in Tai tooo Usa?

1543
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: No?

1544
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 2: But do I have a strong degree of belief in

1545
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: talentsand to share? No? You know what I mean. So

1546
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, so he's at mine, they've got to share

1547
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: a sitting at minus two twenty five, they've got Tai

1548
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 2: to vassa plus two sixty. I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

1549
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 3: I don't mind that at all. I mean, Long Island. Look,

1550
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 3: that's value, right, That's what you'd call value yeah, but

1551
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 3: it's heavyweight ty.

1552
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 5: You know, he did retire for a year and a half,

1553
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 5: hasn't won a fight in four years. I'd be very

1554
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 5: worried about that bet. But you know there's value sharing yet.

1555
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: Listen. I'm not saying it's the most secure one. I'm

1556
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: saying the upside is real. How about that? The upside

1557
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 2: is The downsides are known, but the upside is real.

1558
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: And at any event, folks, if you want to go

1559
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: and do some betting with the DraftKings sports book, you

1560
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 2: can do that now, analyze, of course, and make your picks.

1561
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 2: You can do money line, you can do overrunners, you

1562
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: can do the whole things. Honestly, they'll pay attention to

1563
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: current odds or what we were talking about here. They

1564
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: are subject to change. And as always, this has been

1565
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 2: brought to you by our friends and presented by Draft Kings.

1566
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 2: The crown is yours. All right, let's go to topic

1567
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: four and then what has been about fifteen minutes will

1568
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 2: be joined by our friend Shawn Zatel to cover the

1569
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: boxing this weekend very quickly if we can. I don't

1570
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: even know what to say about this portion of the card,

1571
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to be a dickhead either. I

1572
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: really am not. But let's start out with this one first.

1573
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: First of all, there was supposed to be a flyweight

1574
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: finale for the road to UFC. We are gonna have

1575
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: the bansomweight finale. We are gonna have the featherweight and

1576
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 2: the lightweight. Those fights are still on, but the flyweight finale,

1577
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 2: which by the way, was supposed to be pretty good

1578
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,879
Speaker 2: between Aaron True and namsre Bat Bayar, it got canceled.

1579
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: Let's roll the video. This is Aaron True or is

1580
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: the You can see him here. He's flexing Chuck like

1581
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: he's doing the double biceps. I'm saying, True, I apologize,

1582
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm doing an old school MMA reference. Aaron

1583
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: Tow not true, Aaron True was a different guy. Aaron

1584
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: Tow apologies. Aaron Tow is flexing double biceps there, but

1585
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: he's putting his elbows on the frame of the curtain.

1586
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: So he comes in chuck at one two I think

1587
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: twenty two and a half, right, and they were like,

1588
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 2: all right, well that's a little sketch. So then they

1589
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: make him redo it. No, put his shorts on. Here

1590
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 2: it is, and they removed the thing I think he

1591
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: just stands up straight on the scale. Look at this,

1592
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: and he comes in at one nine.

1593
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 4: Oh my lord, man, this is like in that song

1594
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 4: the Devil went down Joey winning late, the Golden Fiddle

1595
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 4: down at Johnny's feet.

1596
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 3: You know he knew, he knew lost or whatever. That's

1597
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 3: what this is like. Look at it.

1598
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 4: Look at this demeanor in the second when he's like, fuck,

1599
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 4: I'm found out.

1600
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 3: I haven't I haven't seen.

1601
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 4: I mean doing this, And that was that was yeah,

1602
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 4: because he's like he's not moving either.

1603
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 3: He's just kind of like sitting there.

1604
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 4: His only flaw and nobody would have ever been on

1605
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 4: to him, as if he could have dialed that in better, right,

1606
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,919
Speaker 4: Like he way overshot it at one two.

1607
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 3: That's just such a red flag.

1608
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 4: I mean he was also, let's put it in a context,

1609
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 4: he was like he came in ninety minutes into the festivities,

1610
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 4: right like, so it was like they had already he

1611
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 4: was the last guy on the scale. So I think

1612
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 4: there's already an added scrutiny to what's happening with you.

1613
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 4: You can't show up that late and then be that

1614
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 4: far underweight, you know.

1615
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he did it. He tried. You ain't cheating,

1616
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: You ain't trying. No, I don't know if it's gonna

1617
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 2: ge him.

1618
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 4: So in the Paramount plus era, now we've had like

1619
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 4: one fight called off because of suspicious betting activity, and

1620
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 4: now we've had one fight called off because the dude

1621
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: was trying to cheat the scale. That's what I said

1622
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 4: about the drama on this Yeah, face planet after weigh

1623
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 4: that's right, Jesus, and the guy almost died, That's right. Yes,

1624
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 4: that was that was fun. That was a fun little

1625
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 4: time long Louke, come back in here, brother. I'm trying

1626
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 4: not to be difficult. I swear I'm not, but this

1627
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 4: undercard is a show, and not in a good way.

1628
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 4: The top of the card is Junior Tafa versus Billy

1629
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 4: Eli Khanna.

1630
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 5: I mean Junior Tafa never really you can never really

1631
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 5: trust him, I'll say that much.

1632
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 3: You know he is, He's born in New Zealand, Australia.

1633
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 5: I believe he has a gym in Brisbane, so you

1634
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 5: know you root for him in this fight, but I

1635
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 5: think Billy Elkhon is probably gonna get the dub there.

1636
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: Cameron Roaston taking on Cody Brundage. Brundage is a pretty

1637
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: big underdog here. Roaston pretty aroused in pretty good.

1638
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 5: He lost to Teres Finnie who's in the Fight Before

1639
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 5: Contender series, But yeah, he looks decent. CKB guy Cody Brundage,

1640
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 5: you know, is he really a UFC fighter?

1641
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 3: He gon to beat up a lot.

1642
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,440
Speaker 2: We'll see this one dude, Torres Finny who just refuses

1643
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: to learn, apparently taking on Jacob Malcohn, who you know,

1644
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 2: it's like, what's his claim to fame? He trained with

1645
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 2: Robert Whitaker. I don't know what to say about this

1646
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: fight either.

1647
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 5: Still trains, but yeah, this will be, uh, probably the

1648
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 5: most boring fight of the night. But I am intrigued

1649
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 5: by the odds because they're both grappling heavy guys, and

1650
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 5: Teres Finnie at plus one point thirty is intriguing, but

1651
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 5: naturally going to side with Jacob Malcohn here, all right,

1652
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 5: the one that's.

1653
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 2: Most interesting to me, The one that's most interesting to me,

1654
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: Chuck in Long Island, is this one Jonathan I pronounced

1655
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: his last name mckayliff. I think, yeah, Mickaylyiff taking on

1656
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: Oban Elliot Oban Eli. It came a little bit of hype.

1657
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 2: Still has some but I think is in need of

1658
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 2: a win here and Mickayleff it looks halfway decent on tape. Actually,

1659
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: this one, to me is certainly the most competitive fight

1660
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: on the preliminary card. Would you agree?

1661
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 3: Wow?

1662
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1663
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 5: Pretty surprised at the odds too that Oban's the dog.

1664
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 5: I would have maybe flip flopped those odds. I did

1665
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 5: take an Oban spread bet in this. I don't know

1666
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 5: if he wins the fight out right, but I think

1667
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 5: he can steal a round or two here from Michaels

1668
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 5: or right and.

1669
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: Last, but not least, anything else on these prelim cards

1670
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: that you give a damn about.

1671
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 5: Well, the only other fight besides the road to UFC

1672
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 5: fights con Offley, who you know lost in the Tough

1673
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 5: finale what.

1674
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 3: Two seasons ago, a season ago, taken on Yizza yz Ha.

1675
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 3: I don't know. It sounds like the Rizza, the Jizza,

1676
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 3: the Yizza, but I'm.

1677
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: Gonna side with us everywhere.

1678
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 3: Conn Offfley I was really down on in his first

1679
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 3: two UFC fights. He looked like shit.

1680
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 5: He did Subcardohamos in his last fight, and I was

1681
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 5: pretty impressed by that.

1682
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: So you know, maybe I think Yez has got a

1683
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 3: lot of hype.

1684
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 5: He did get a quick ko his last time out,

1685
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 5: but he was on a two fight skid I believe

1686
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 5: before that, So naturally I'm going with.

1687
01:13:58,640 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 3: The aus either.

1688
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: All right, very good Chuck.

1689
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 4: That was that was a smart way to like, I'm

1690
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 4: glad you didn't go to me for those fights, man,

1691
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 4: I mean you bring it or not.

1692
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 3: I mean pays attention to that ship.

1693
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, the absolutely no question about it.

1694
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 3: But should be fun.

1695
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 4: I think that like coming off a loss and like

1696
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 4: so many people, you talk to Europeans, you know, and

1697
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 4: they they still talk about him like he's he's got something,

1698
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 4: uh that we we haven't seen yet, So I guess

1699
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 4: I'm still intrigued to see how far he can take things,

1700
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 4: especially coming off the loss here.

1701
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 2: Uh. And then last thing I'll say is I did

1702
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 2: hear that this guy and I did a little bit

1703
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: of tape watching on Kachi Knuckamore from the featherweight final.

1704
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: He looks to be the goods. He actually pretty interesting,

1705
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 2: but we're still I think he's what seven and one

1706
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 2: or something like that, to double check, but we're so

1707
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: early into his UFC run though I don't I don't

1708
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: know exactly what even this is supposed to mean. You know,

1709
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: it's an important fight, it's a good fight.

1710
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 4: But overall the prelims from the first one at Paramount

1711
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 4: plus Era were much better than this one, is what.

1712
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 2: We're saying, ragnificantly. So yeah, right, with that in mind,

1713
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: we'll put a pin in this. We'll come back to

1714
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 2: the boxing later. Long, aw, we got time to do

1715
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 2: a little over under or rate that card.

1716
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, let's do it all right's that card?

1717
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: Guys?

1718
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 3: You know we did it last week. We're doing it

1719
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 3: again this week. I'll explain it after the intro card.

1720
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 5: It sucks.

1721
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 3: I did say rate, but it is rank. I apologize.

1722
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 5: You know, I keep saying rate myself, but because you're

1723
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 5: ranking Ian, it's obviously it should be rank.

1724
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 3: But rate does roll off the tongue better.

1725
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1726
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 5: Anyways, I'm gonna pitch these twe of you out of time.

1727
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 5: You're just gonna give me most likely to least likely

1728
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 5: based on the question. You can both chime in, but

1729
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 5: I will pitch it back and forth. So lt who's

1730
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 5: the New Zealand born fighter with the best chance to

1731
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 5: win on Saturday?

1732
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 3: Aaron Tao is obviously out of this because his fighter

1733
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 3: is off. So Junior Tafa or Dan Hooker.

1734
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:53,799
Speaker 2: I'll say Junior Tafa.

1735
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I mean I think Dan Hooker is a

1736
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 4: much better fighter, but he's also got much tougher competent

1737
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 4: so anah, yeah, probably Tafa. Alright, I feel like Hooker's

1738
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 4: uphill battle man. That's a tough one, all right, Chuck.

1739
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 5: Uh, Which undefeated fighter in the UFC has the biggest

1740
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 5: chance of losing on Saturday?

1741
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 3: Oh boy? Cameron, Rouston, Quillin Skill.

1742
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 2: Look at these names. These sound like names from the

1743
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: Key and Peel sketch, Jamius Rex.

1744
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 3: Torus Finney. All right, and then what so rank them one,

1745
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 3: two three? So Therez is number one?

1746
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 4: Uh, and then maybe and then maybe Ralston and then

1747
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 4: I can't imagine that Quillan's gonna like ship the sheets

1748
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: in this one.

1749
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 3: I mean he's like, he's this is set up for

1750
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 3: him to succeed here, true, LT, you you agree.

1751
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 2: Or its exact same?

1752
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean that is based on the odds, so

1753
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 3: that makes more sense. LT.

1754
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 5: Who's the most likely to win by finish? Talas in

1755
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 5: too shera Ben was Saint Deny or Quillin sal killed.

1756
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: In this in the.

1757
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 2: Definitely definitely talis In first, Okay, yeah, and then I'll

1758
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: yes in order, so I've got Talisan BSD, then Saw killed.

1759
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Chuck, I'd go Talison, then Saw killed and the NBA.

1760
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 5: Ye all right, Uh Chuck, Which underdog has the best

1761
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 5: chance of winning on Saturday?

1762
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 3: Tie to Avasa, Dan Hooker or Diego Lopez?

1763
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 4: Ah Man, I hate to contradict, Like when we talk

1764
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 4: abou Volcanosa, I still will say Diego has a good chance, though,

1765
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 4: like I think if he makes those adjustments or if

1766
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 4: he comes in a little smarter, I'll go Diego top

1767
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 4: and then and then ty Tabas and then uh Hooker.

1768
01:17:53,280 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see, I'm gonna go Lopez even though he's

1769
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 2: got the toughest assignment. I'll go tie and then I'll

1770
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: go Dan. And again I think Dan's better than Tye obviously,

1771
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: but I think he to the point Chuck made just

1772
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 2: the timing of this fight, I just don't love it

1773
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: for him.

1774
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 3: I might flip flap tie in Hooker.

1775
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 4: I'm kind of I love Tye, but I'm very no,

1776
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 4: you don't know, you don't ill are you betting on him?

1777
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 3: You're like, yo that I'll do a shoey. I'll do

1778
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 3: a shoey on stream if TI wins calling it right now?

1779
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 3: All right, wow, all right.

1780
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 5: Now we're talking uh ELTI most entertaining fighter on the card,

1781
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 5: Ben was Sintony Ti Tasa or Mauricio Hoofy.

1782
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 2: Well, up to this point, the answer has been Hoofy.

1783
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: But I don't know what we're gonna get from him

1784
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: on Saturday. So I'm gonna say BSD one, Hoofy two,

1785
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: tie three hm hm.

1786
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 3: That is the only I would just flip flop.

1787
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 4: I guess I'd go I'm just gonna believe in the

1788
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 4: excitement factor on Hoofy, so I'll go him then BSD

1789
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 4: then tye.

1790
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: Okay tie to me, I was factoring in again the shoeies,

1791
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 3: the ada after that last fight. Man, true, I don't know.

1792
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 2: I need to see something here, Dude, remember that movie

1793
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 2: that Remember that event. It was like in ACB, like

1794
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: one of one of these Russian events where like the

1795
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 2: owner came out in the middle of the fight, was like, Yo,

1796
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 2: just stop the ship. That's how I felt in the

1797
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: middle of that fight. Just fucking leave.

1798
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.

1799
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 5: Chuck, who's the most likely to avoid a second straight loss,

1800
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 5: Cody Brundage, Junior Tafa or Dan Hooker.

1801
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 3: Man all right, I'll go Hooker, Tafa, Brundage, Okay.

1802
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 2: LT, I'll go Tafa, Tafa, Hooker, Brandage.

1803
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 3: I might go Brundage number one. I'm just like Camra,

1804
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 3: You're just questioning if belongs in the UFC.

1805
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 5: I know, but I haven't seen enough out of cam

1806
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 5: Rouston yet where we are really gonna doubt.

1807
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1808
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 5: There's just there's too much intrigue there. Whereas Billy Alacana,

1809
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 5: I feel like it's gonna be tough BSD. We obviously

1810
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 5: know where the odds are at there.

1811
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: LT.

1812
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 5: Who will have more UFC fights after Saturday? Alexander Volkanowski,

1813
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 5: Dan Hooker or Tyko of Us.

1814
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a toughie. Hooker is gonna go until they

1815
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 2: make him stop. So definitely he's the answer. And Vulcan

1816
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: at least might have a couple more, especially if he

1817
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: wins Tie. I think this might be do or die,

1818
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go Hooker, Vulk Tie Chuck.

1819
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 4: That's exactly right, and Vulcan especially like we didn't talk

1820
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 4: about this. Luke but like the psychology. Remember he's talking

1821
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 4: about like being psychology affected during idle times. I just

1822
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 4: I can't imagine he's gonna walk away easily from the game.

1823
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 4: So but Hooker be there, like you mentioned, until they

1824
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 4: until they force him out.

1825
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 3: All right, fair enough, Chuck fighter, who's stock will drop

1826
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 3: the most with a loss?

1827
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 5: On Saturday Mauricio Rufi, Oban Elliott, or Quillin sal killed

1828
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 5: with a loss.

1829
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 4: I'd definitely say Hoofy because I feel like people are

1830
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 4: high up on him uh doing something, So I'd go Hoofy,

1831
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 4: then sell killed, just given where they're at and coming

1832
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 4: off that knockout, and then then Oban.

1833
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 3: Lt Umm drop the most.

1834
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 2: Hoofy uh saw killed Elliott because Elliott's already lost.

1835
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 5: You know, I feel like Saul killed has to be

1836
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 5: number one because he's a minus one thousand favorite.

1837
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 3: He's fighting a chinney boy, you know.

1838
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about a relative to two losses in a row?

1839
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Hoofy is losing to top fifteen guys. These

1840
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 5: aren't like bad losses, you know.

1841
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 4: I don't know this is is going to have that

1842
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 4: he I think, right, I don't know if is malarchy,

1843
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 4: like even a big fan favorite like, I feel like

1844
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 4: the crowd's gonna want to see Sulkil do something here.

1845
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I'm I gotta think no, Well, because Quillen's

1846
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 5: from Perth and Jamie is either from Victoria or New

1847
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 5: South Wales, so Jamie might actually have the hometown support.

1848
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 3: All right.

1849
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 5: I'm curious LT fighter with the best tattoos, So I

1850
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 5: have pictures for each of you here. So picture number

1851
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 5: one is Dan Hooker's tattoo, Picture number two is Benoi

1852
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 5: Saint Deini's tattoo.

1853
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 3: Is that Joan of Arc maybe?

1854
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 5: And picture number three is Aaron Taw's tattoo. So I

1855
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 5: want you to rank them. That's too worst.

1856
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: Hookers are the technically the most clean, okay, and so

1857
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 2: for that reason, I like the most I'm gonna give.

1858
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have an order here because taos are cultural tattoos. Yeah, Like,

1859
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: obviously those are not for mask consumption. Those are for

1860
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 2: cultural tattoos. But I think those are actually the best

1861
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: tattoos to get, to be perfectly honest with you, I mean, again,

1862
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 2: it's not for me, but I understand it would be

1863
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 2: for them. So it might look a little weird to

1864
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: people who aren't from that thing. But those are those

1865
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: are to me, are much more legitimate tattoo than anything else.

1866
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 2: The tattoos, yeah, they're Maori tattoos exactly. And Ben wasats

1867
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 2: tattoo was not bad. It just looks kind of like

1868
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 2: a robot slash joan of arc. I'm not sure what

1869
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: that is. Also, her left arm is really long and

1870
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: ways that her right arm is not. It's It's okay,

1871
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 2: it's okay. But no, I'm gonna go with hooker one

1872
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 2: TAOTOO BSD three.

1873
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 4: Wow, Chuck, Well, I was gonna say TAO three, But

1874
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 4: I mean now that you've now that you've kind of

1875
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 4: talked about it, I'm like, well, yeah, you know, if

1876
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 4: you're going to get a tattoo, like, you want it

1877
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 4: to be meaningful, right like, so I think i'd go

1878
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 4: the same order.

1879
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 3: I think, I like, I don't know their tattoos.

1880
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 2: The other tattoos are strictly decorative, yeah, whereas the cultural

1881
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 2: tattoos some cultural decoration to it, obviously, but it carries

1882
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 2: significantly more meanings.

1883
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 3: So it's like, so one though, huh shouldn't that be one?

1884
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 6: Then?

1885
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: Uh No, because I still don't love the necessity like

1886
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: the application of it. I just want pure tattoo applying

1887
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: terms you.

1888
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 3: Know, all right? Fair enough?

1889
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 5: Uh, last one, Chuck, the Australian with the best chance

1890
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 5: of being a UFC champion, Jonathan mckayliff, Dom mar Fan

1891
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 5: who's fighting in the road to UFC final are Quillin

1892
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 5: Sal killed?

1893
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: Oh Man?

1894
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 5: Well Sal killed out? Oh wait, sorry, I meant to preface.

1895
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 5: All three of them are twenty six or under.

1896
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 3: That's why.

1897
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, all right, I'll say soul killed. I mean,

1898
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 4: and then is it Mika Lef? How do we say

1899
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 4: his last name?

1900
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 3: I'm going mckayliff, okay, and then mar Fin that's yeah.

1901
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it, to be completely honest, I haven't

1902
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 4: seen a ton from you know, mar Fan said, so

1903
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm kind of guessing on that one.

1904
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 3: That's fair lt you got any different or you're going

1905
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 3: the same, Probably the same.

1906
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 2: Right quill in one? And then after that it's who

1907
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 2: gives a shit?

1908
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 3: All right? Fair enough? That was card guys.

1909
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed it, all right, very good, Thank you

1910
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 2: very much. All right, Chuck, we got to see you off.

1911
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 2: I know you're doing another broadcast later today, right, tell.

1912
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 4: The fun I'm jumping on the crack with Pizza Carol

1913
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 4: at the top of the hour. So, uh yeah, but

1914
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,799
Speaker 4: you're gonna be back with us on Monday.

1915
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 3: Correct, I'll be back on Monday.

1916
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 4: We'll break down all the action that happened at UFC

1917
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 4: through twenty five and the boxing events.

1918
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure, man, So it should be a fun one.

1919
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: It should be a fun one. Indeed, there's Chuck's socials.

1920
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: You can catch them on X, and you can catch

1921
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 2: them on IG and you can catch them on the crack.

1922
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Speaker 2: Craik craik, craik crack. I don't know how to say it.

1923
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 2: We say, you know, yeah, the crack a little bit

1924
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Speaker 2: later today. Thank you, Iceman. I appreciate it.

1925
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Speaker 3: Thanks man. See you guys.

1926
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Speaker 2: All right there he goes with that. Being with that

1927
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Speaker 2: in mind, let's bring up our next guest. Gentlemen, do

1928
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Speaker 2: y'all remember the guy who asked Dana White about uh

1929
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 2: the Ali Act and t KO and Dana told him

1930
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Speaker 2: to schedule an interview later and then it never actually happened,

1931
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Speaker 2: but everyone was like, yeah, there's a great question. Well,

1932
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 2: it turns out that my man, who is part of

1933
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Speaker 2: is a boxing scribe and this is part of the

1934
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 2: Porterway Podcast. His name is Sean Zateel and he now

1935
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Speaker 2: joins us to break down the weekends boxing. There he is, Hey, Sean,

1936
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Speaker 2: what's going on, buddy Luke?

1937
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me brother.

1938
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 2: What do you have there in the background? My my

1939
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 2: glasses aren't good enough. What's the what's the what's the

1940
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 2: video game machine? Back there?

1941
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 7: The NFL Blitz.

1942
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 6: I have actually have a authentic with a CRT screen

1943
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 6: NFL Blitz ninety nine upstairs.

1944
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 7: And this is the like the replica the Arcade.

1945
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 2: One up So yeah, we got to get you some

1946
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 2: mats underneath the weight bench so you can learn how

1947
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 2: to like, you know, because you got to drop the weights.

1948
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,440
Speaker 2: You're not dropping them on fucking hardwood.

1949
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Speaker 1: No, no, I do.

1950
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Speaker 6: I got one.

1951
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 2: I got one.

1952
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 7: It's just it's it's not visible. But wait there it is.

1953
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, you're very good. Y well, Shawn, thank

1954
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. I greatly appreciate it.

1955
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Speaker 3: Let's talk.

1956
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: There's a huge slate of weekend boxing that we're not

1957
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 2: gonna have to get too too much into the weeds,

1958
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 2: but we want to at least keep our audience informed

1959
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 2: of some of the major parts of what is happening,

1960
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: and to me, that conversation starts with the ring card

1961
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: that's taking place. The official name of it is is

1962
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 2: the Ring four. This is Tao Femal Lopez fighting Shaquor

1963
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 2: Stevenson as a sold out event in Madison Square Garden.

1964
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: Six fights on this main card. Let's start with the

1965
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 2: main event itself. Lopez obviously just fights at one forty

1966
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 2: Saar coming in I think at one thirty eight and

1967
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 2: a half today. In preparation for that, I saw someone all.

1968
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 2: A columnist on Yahoo Sean described this match as a

1969
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: bout between someone who is chaotic and uncalculated in Lopez

1970
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: versus the ultimate calculator, not the physical thing, but someone

1971
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 2: who makes that a priority in Schaquar Stevenson. Do you

1972
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 2: agree with that framing?

1973
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, to a degree for sure.

1974
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 6: I think it's control, chaos and improvisation and being dynamic

1975
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 6: and creative on Tiafimo Lopez when he's.

1976
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 7: At his best.

1977
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 6: My guy Chris al Jerry with a boxing scene, former

1978
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 6: world champion, says once to catches a rhythm, he gets

1979
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 6: into like a flow state and again becomes very creative

1980
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 6: with his offense, with his defense. He fights a lot

1981
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 6: off of his talent, his athleticism, and not not just

1982
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 6: that alone, but Shaquor is definitely the superior technician.

1983
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 7: I think the to get right into the fight. I

1984
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 7: think the best case.

1985
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 6: Scenario for tia Fimo, who you know was born in Brooklyn,

1986
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 6: New York, but really cut his teeth as an amateur

1987
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 6: in South Florida, if he's going to win this fight,

1988
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 6: it's gonna be it's gonna be Roy Jones against Bernard Hopkins,

1989
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 6: Roy Jones versus James Tony, though much more competitive, I

1990
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 6: think if he can win this fight in that manner

1991
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 6: because James Tony, I'm sure a lot of people listening

1992
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 6: do know how to lose like sixty pounds in sixty

1993
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 6: days and was pretty drained for that Roy Jones fight.

1994
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 6: But point being, sometimes master technicians what can offset them

1995
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 6: is someone who's more athletic and faster than they are,

1996
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 6: and that could be fuddle them a little bit because

1997
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 6: usually a lot of the master technicians also have a

1998
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 6: great deal of hand speed and timing beat speed, and

1999
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 6: that's part of why Shakur is the favorite here.

2000
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 7: Along with being the more superior by.

2001
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 6: The book technician and the more precise puncher, the more

2002
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 6: accurate guy.

2003
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 7: When it comes to placing his shots.

2004
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 6: He's very sharp and the name of the game is

2005
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 6: to hit and not get hit, and that's why Schakor

2006
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 6: is the favorite.

2007
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 7: He's a little bit more accurate than Tiafimo is with

2008
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 7: his placement.

2009
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 6: His shots go from point A to point B in

2010
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 6: a straighter line up the middle, and when he does

2011
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 6: throw combinations, he's good at pinpointing each shot to the

2012
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 6: body or using two decoy shots to set up a

2013
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 6: right hook. Sometimes very accurate with both hands, good, very

2014
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 6: accurate to the body. But Tiafimo is the more gifted

2015
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 6: athlete between the two of them. And to kind of

2016
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 6: Chris al Jerry's saying he gets into a flow state,

2017
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 6: I'd say it's.

2018
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 7: Kind of like a streaky shooter. If he can catch

2019
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 7: a rhythm and get on fire in this fight, he

2020
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 7: can win this fight.

2021
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 6: And I do think it's interesting his his mind games

2022
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 6: yesterday at the press conference, and the course says he's

2023
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 6: not biting on them, but we'll have to see on

2024
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 6: fight night. I think in Tio's best interest Luke because

2025
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 6: he's a guy who fights with his lead hand down

2026
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 6: and when he's stalked. You know, guys that are good

2027
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 6: boxers like Jermaine Ortiz or Sandor Martin. Sandor Martin. Sandor

2028
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 6: Martin put him down with a right hook over the

2029
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 6: top of that lead hand being low. George Cambos is

2030
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 6: going in and out with his feet, sniped him over

2031
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 6: the top of the right hand again, over that that

2032
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 6: low lead hand. Guys like Floyd Mayweather, even though they

2033
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 6: were great with their lead hand low and the shoulder

2034
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 6: roll and everything, when they came forward against the zab

2035
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 6: Judah or against the Conor McGregor, as you'll remember, they

2036
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 6: would go to the high guard. And TiO doesn't has

2037
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 6: never really shown a rate high guard. So I think

2038
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 6: he'd be better off using all that athleticism finding a

2039
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 6: way to get Shakur to come to him. And Shaquur

2040
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 6: as good of a boxer, he is, as good as

2041
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 6: a technician he is. He doesn't punch laterally that often,

2042
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 6: like a Floyd Mayweather, like a andre Ward of Burnell,

2043
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 6: Bernard Hopkins, a Purnell Whitaker. So if if TiO can

2044
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 6: find a way to make him take that step forward,

2045
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 6: then I think he's he's better He's better off if

2046
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 6: he can find a way to dictate to Shakur and

2047
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 6: make him have to take a step forward, not not

2048
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 6: all fights.

2049
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 7: He's gonna have to impose himself at times.

2050
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 6: If he's gonna pull this off as an underdog and

2051
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 6: and he's the bigger puncher, he'll have to impose himself

2052
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 6: in spots. But I think if he just stalks Shakur

2053
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 6: all night, that won't work the way it did against

2054
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 6: uh Lomachenko, who was a smaller guy and older guy

2055
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 6: compared to Chakor Stevenson. So yeah, I think I think that.

2056
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 6: And to wrap this up, that's what I think was interesting.

2057
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 6: He got him to, in a way take a step forward.

2058
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 6: At the press conference, he talked about, you know, putting

2059
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 6: his nuts in his mouth and all this stuff and

2060
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 6: a lot of antics that won't age well if he

2061
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 6: loses this fight. But I look at it as an

2062
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 6: attempt to get Shakur out of his game, and Chakor

2063
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 6: is very confident that that isn't the case.

2064
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 7: But we'll have to see tomorrow night. What goes down.

2065
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 5: Is it.

2066
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 2: Who has the better pro wins? And what I mean

2067
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 2: by that is, you know, listen, I saw the Del

2068
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 2: Santos fight. I saw this Apeeda fight. Those are good

2069
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 2: wins in the sense of you beat a quality guy

2070
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 2: in either case, But remember the Dela Santos fight, his

2071
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 2: hometown crowd walked out, and when this Peeda fight was over,

2072
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 2: you were just kind of like, I don't know, it wasn't.

2073
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,879
Speaker 2: Shakur is technically detailed, but not overwhelming with the firepower,

2074
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,759
Speaker 2: in part because he still has issues with his hands,

2075
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: at least he appears to have repeated issues over the

2076
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 2: course of his career with them. And yet you mentioned

2077
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: Libuchenko was a little bit old, but there was a

2078
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 2: certain dynamism to that win by Lopez as well. Who

2079
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 2: has the better pro wins today? Even though I recognize

2080
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 2: Lopez having the loss on his record or the surprising

2081
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 2: one to Cambosa's kind of undercuts it a little bit.

2082
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 2: But in terms of the wins, how do you evaluate

2083
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 2: who's really done better, especially of late.

2084
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 6: I think overall, definitely Tiafimo has the better wins, the

2085
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,640
Speaker 6: better resume, and has fought as a professional the better competition.

2086
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 6: But what offsets some of that is with the higher

2087
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 6: level of competition, not only has he lost, he's had

2088
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 6: a couple of fights that a lot of boxing. People

2089
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 6: think he may have lost as well, and Jermaine Ortiz

2090
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 6: and Sandor Martin, whereas Shakur overall hasn't fought the level

2091
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 6: of competition Tiafimo has. But outside of the de los

2092
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 6: Santos fight, which was scored the closest in his career,

2093
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 6: he's won handily in every fight, and really outside of

2094
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 6: the Zepeeda fight, hardly been touched in his professional fights.

2095
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 6: And again, Luke, the name of the game is land

2096
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 6: your shots. He's more accurate than Tiafimo is and not

2097
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 6: get hit by the other guys shots. He's got better

2098
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 6: defense than Tiafimo does. Now again, like you're getting at

2099
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 6: against not as high a levee level of opposition and

2100
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:04,719
Speaker 6: typically not as against as bigger guys as tia Fimo

2101
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 6: has been fighting the last couple of years. So that

2102
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 6: is what's interesting right there, when it comes to the

2103
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 6: level of opposition, one guy has the better wins, that

2104
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 6: has overall fought the tougher competition, but the other guy

2105
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 6: has won by a wider margin than tia Fimo has

2106
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 6: and has gotten hit a lot less. So that yeah,

2107
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 6: that's what That's.

2108
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 2: How I answered that one you mentioned the antics. I

2109
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,759
Speaker 2: want to play a clip here. Schakour thinks Tayo Femo

2110
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 2: is doing all of this because he's actually nervous. So

2111
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 2: he's play this clip and I want you to react

2112
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 2: to it.

2113
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 8: I think he's nervous and he's given off energy as

2114
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 8: if he's trying to delude his brain into believing things

2115
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 8: that are basically not going to happen. I just don't

2116
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 8: understand how he can delude his brain into believing that

2117
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 8: when he didn't make Steve Claggett that's his name, Steve

2118
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 8: Claggant quit. He didn't make him quick, he didn't make

2119
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 8: George Campbose's, he did not make lemon Chenko quick. So

2120
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 8: what in the world makes him think that he's gonna

2121
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 8: make me quit?

2122
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 2: What do you think, Sean?

2123
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 6: I think at first, I think I didn't like tia

2124
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 6: Fimo's energy heading into this fight, and I and Shakoor

2125
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 6: very focused, very on point something he learned from a

2126
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 6: guy like Terrence Crawford.

2127
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 7: His eyes are on the prize and he's completely locked in.

2128
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 6: But then it felt like once the fight really got

2129
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 6: here and the fight really starts at the press conference,

2130
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 6: into the way and into fight night, that tia Fimo

2131
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 6: showed up, the real tia Fimo showed up, and I

2132
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 6: didn't get a sense from tia Fimo that he was rattled.

2133
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 7: I actually think he was being calculated. Maybe he perceived

2134
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 7: some of what I perceive.

2135
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 6: How can I make this guy to get out of

2136
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 6: his game plan a little bit, who's always so technical

2137
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 6: and sharp?

2138
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 7: How can I make him make it more of a fight.

2139
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 7: How can I make him take that.

2140
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 6: Step forward Saturday night as opposed to where he could

2141
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 6: take a step back and counter as good as he

2142
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,840
Speaker 6: can with his step back game. So I didn't see

2143
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 6: too particularly rattled, I know, and actually, interestingly enough, Wally Moses,

2144
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 6: Chakor's trainer, who's an excellent trainer and helped build him

2145
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 6: from scratch, along with his cousin Zequin Moses, who's a

2146
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 6: good young pro. But now he's all in the video

2147
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 6: like usually, Wally Moses plays the background, and usually it's

2148
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 6: Tiafimo Senior front and center, and Tiafimo Senior has been

2149
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 6: vocal at times, and Wally Moses pointed out the only

2150
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 6: reason he's not vocal here at the press conference is

2151
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 6: he was drunk last night and can't make it to

2152
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 6: this press conference. But I see too as being calculated

2153
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 6: and trying to find a way to get in Shakhor's head,

2154
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 6: get him off his game a little bit. I didn't

2155
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 6: see him as particularly nervous, and actually I see him

2156
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 6: as conserving his energy for the moment.

2157
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 7: Now we'll see again if those antics don't live up

2158
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 7: to the level of focus.

2159
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 6: And drive of Shakor, who is supremely confident, who, unlike Tiafimo,

2160
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 6: doesn't know how to lose.

2161
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 7: But to go back to that Del.

2162
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 6: Santo's fight, and you mentioned Zapeta too, What is interesting

2163
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 6: is the one time Chakourt fought someone who could really

2164
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 6: match him in terms of speed and timing and quickness

2165
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 6: was Del Santos, and he beat him off the jab.

2166
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 7: But his offense took a big hindrance.

2167
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 3: In that fight.

2168
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 6: He wasn't working his body shots, he wasn't working his combinations,

2169
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 6: his right hook, his straight left hand was sparse, and

2170
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 6: he really just won that fight off of one hand.

2171
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 6: Now he says his other hand was hurt for that fight,

2172
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 6: and that's part of why he only beat Del Santos

2173
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 6: with a jab. But the point is, and against Jeremiah

2174
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 6: Nakatia too, a tall fighter from Africa who had some

2175
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 6: power on his right hand. Those two fighters, and in

2176
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 6: particular Del Santos, made him timid. Now, when you bring

2177
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 6: up Zapeta, I do think that fight will pay dividends

2178
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 6: for Shakurt because heading into Zapeta, he already knew he

2179
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 6: was a sharp boxer. He already knew he was a

2180
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 6: master technician. But what he found I'm sure he was

2181
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 6: confident in himself about already. But what he proved was

2182
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 6: he's a dog too. So I think that's a pay

2183
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 6: to fight. Where he stayed in the pocket a lot

2184
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 6: he exchanged was the paid a lot. It was by

2185
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 6: far the most exciting fight of his career. It was

2186
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 6: kind of like his Mayweather Madonna kind of fight. I

2187
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 6: think that now he'll be a little bit more comfortable

2188
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 6: in the pocket against the guy with the explosiveness of

2189
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 6: tia Fimo than he was a couple of years ago

2190
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 6: in the pocket with someone on the explosiveness of Del Santos.

2191
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 7: But these guys got big questions to answer.

2192
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 6: Will Shaquor against the best fighter he's ever fought, will

2193
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 6: he be a little bit more timid against the speed

2194
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 6: and the power the way he was against del Lo

2195
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 6: Santos can Tiafimo be a guy who's excellent with the

2196
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 6: step back game, who could fight off the back foot.

2197
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 7: As a great boxer.

2198
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 6: When he's been up against that look against other fighters,

2199
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 6: he hasn't looked as sharp as when he can play

2200
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 6: the counterpuncher. So that's why I say again he might

2201
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 6: be looking to find a way to make shakor come

2202
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:00,040
Speaker 6: forward a little bit more than he wants to so

2203
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 6: he can do what he does best, and that is

2204
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 6: be the lead hand, low quicker fighter, the athletic fighter,

2205
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 6: the counterpuncher at times and not always.

2206
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 7: Have to go after this guy.

2207
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this co main event honestly, Like I'm

2208
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 2: not going to say it's more interesting than the main event,

2209
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 2: but it's certainly interesting. Jamaine Ortiz, as you mentioned, only

2210
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 2: two losses in his career, one of which was to Lopez,

2211
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 2: and as you indicated, a very very shaky loss in

2212
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 2: that sense as well, given how it could have gone

2213
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 2: a very very technical fighter taking on the man of

2214
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 2: the hour, Keishawn Davis, who in his last fight was

2215
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 2: supposed to have a homecoming in Newport News and in

2216
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 2: the Virginia Tidewater area where he is from the Norfolk,

2217
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 2: Virginia area, and he just fucked it all up, I

2218
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 2: mean completely fucked it all up, and the whole fight

2219
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 2: got canceled. He ended up showing up there getting into fights.

2220
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 2: The whole thing was a nightmare. Here he is, first question,

2221
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 2: is he still with top rank? But more importantly I understand,

2222
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 2: or my understanding, is that Davis left working with Bowmack,

2223
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 2: the trainer of, or at least the long time train

2224
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 2: anyway of Bud Crawford. What the hell is going on

2225
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 2: with Keishan Davis? And for all of the promising parts

2226
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 2: about his game and his future, how much do you

2227
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 2: still believe in it? Just given everything that's happened over

2228
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 2: the last year.

2229
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, you raised a lot of fair points, man, and

2230
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 6: he's giving a new young team a chance at it,

2231
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 6: which part of me likes because a lot of times

2232
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 6: in the NFL the NBA it's about like who could

2233
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 6: get the new sexy offensive coordinator or the new young coach,

2234
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 6: whereas in boxing you pretty much retread the same names

2235
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 6: over and over again. Bow Mack, Freddie Roach a few

2236
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 6: years ago. He's gotten up there in age more so,

2237
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 6: and Robert Garcia.

2238
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:40,560
Speaker 7: And so on, and so forth. But yeah, man, he

2239
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 7: winds up having an ugly fallen out with bow Mack.

2240
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 6: He blows the weight by almost an entire other weight

2241
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 6: class against De los Santos, a fighter he hand picked

2242
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 6: for top rank.

2243
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 7: He is still with top rank.

2244
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 6: Top rank is leasing fighters out right now the Turkey

2245
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 6: Ala Chica Riad season. They can't compete with a Saudi

2246
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 6: you know, government and public investment fund. And I made

2247
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 6: a point on Twitter that got a lot of people

2248
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 6: upset where I said, you know, this tia Femo Shkort

2249
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 6: fight is really built up by top ranked. Tia Femo

2250
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 6: and Shakor were built up on ESPN primetime slots where

2251
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 6: they got a million plus viewers a few times in

2252
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 6: their tenures with top rank. But you know, when you're

2253
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 6: a private American business, especially without a network deal anymore

2254
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 6: with ESPN, you can't compete with the Saudi public investment fund.

2255
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 6: That said Keishan from blowing weight against De los Santos

2256
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 6: to having a fair degree of hubris since he became

2257
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 6: a world champion against Dennis Baranchek last February, to celebrating

2258
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 6: Andy Cruz's loss last week against Raymond Murataya, where.

2259
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 7: He was doing the belt to ass and I get it.

2260
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:49,560
Speaker 6: His point was, you know, this guy shitted on me

2261
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 6: all the time about beating me in the amateurs now

2262
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 6: that we're professionals, but you know you didn't beat him,

2263
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 6: Kishan Raymon Murrataya beat him. And I used to ask

2264
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:02,560
Speaker 6: Kishan that, like, don't you isn't there a part of

2265
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 6: you that wants to write that wrong for the amateurs

2266
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 6: and fight him in the pros And you know he

2267
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 6: would say yeah, someday, but now it looks like that

2268
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 6: fight will never happen. Eddie Hearn's talking about moving Andy

2269
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 6: Kruz down to one thirty. Kishan's talking about going to

2270
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 6: one forty seven. There's nothing but quality champions at one forty,

2271
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,560
Speaker 6: from Richardson Hitchens to Gary Antoine Russell.

2272
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 7: To the winner of this fight.

2273
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 6: He's already ruled out Tiafimo because he says tia Fimo's

2274
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 6: terrified of him. He'll never fight Schakor Stevenson because how

2275
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 6: close they are if Shakor wins. The only guy who

2276
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 6: said he'll fight is Dalton Smith, who's the newest champion,

2277
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,919
Speaker 6: because he says Dalton Smith can sell out Arenas.

2278
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 7: Back in the United Kingdom.

2279
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 6: He wants to go to one forty seven and fight

2280
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 6: Devin Haney, who is a three division champion with more

2281
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 6: than double the amount of professional.

2282
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 7: Fights he has.

2283
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 6: So what I'm getting at, and he's promised the knockout

2284
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 6: of Jamaine Ortiz, who has fast hands, fast feat is

2285
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 6: a very solid contender in his physical prime, arguably the

2286
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 6: most athletic fighter Kishan's fought to date. Who is a

2287
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 6: who has more professional experience than Kishan. He's fought Lomachenko

2288
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 6: and Tiafimo to very difficult fights, and on his part,

2289
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 6: he's got to let his nuts hang all the way

2290
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 6: to the ground this time. You know, Luke, every guy

2291
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 6: steps through the octagon and steps in the ring, lets

2292
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 6: him hang. But he coughed up the second half against Lomachenko,

2293
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:22,600
Speaker 6: and he didn't do enough to win against Tiafimo.

2294
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 7: He frustrated him, He made him look bad.

2295
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 6: He made the fight very close and even controversial to

2296
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 6: some people, but he didn't put his foot on the

2297
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 6: gas to actually walk away with the win. So this

2298
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 6: fight from Jermaine Ortiz, win or lose, I want to

2299
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 6: see him not leave anything on the table, if it.

2300
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 7: Even go out on the shield if he has to.

2301
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 6: And for Keishawn Davis, he's talked a lot of shit

2302
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 6: and he's got to back it up Saturday night. He's

2303
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 6: promising a knockout, not just to win. I think he

2304
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 6: will win the fight Luke, because he's got a little

2305
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 6: bit more sophistication to his arsenal to his skills than

2306
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 6: Jamaine Ortiz, who again has quick hands, quick feet.

2307
01:43:58,640 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 7: Keishawan's the better puncher.

2308
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 6: I'm interested to see how Keishaan deals with Jamaine Ortiz's

2309
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 6: very quick feet because Kei Shan keeps a wide base

2310
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 6: and he's actually a little bit flat footed. But he's

2311
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:13,640
Speaker 6: the better body puncher. He's more physical on the inside

2312
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 6: and at long range. He has a hell of a

2313
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,560
Speaker 6: right hand uh, and he's the better puncher between the

2314
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 6: two of them. But this is his first fight in

2315
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 6: a new way class offense against a legit guy. But

2316
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 6: he looked a lot bigger at the Way or at

2317
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,680
Speaker 6: the press conference yesterday. So I do expect Keishan to win.

2318
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 6: But he has put himself into a situation where you

2319
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 6: better back it up or else. The critics and people

2320
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 6: on social media are are gonna cook him and be

2321
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 6: awfully loud about it, which I'm sure he doesn't really

2322
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 6: give a shit about, but you know how that goes.

2323
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 2: Also on this card, Carlos Adamis will be putting up

2324
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:49,520
Speaker 2: his WBC middleweight title against.

2325
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 3: He got sick today, Oh Jesus Damas.

2326
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well shoo shoe. Carrington's on this card

2327
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 2: still against Carlos Castro and then Darrell Miller. Funny story, dude,

2328
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 2: I cover Darrell Miller's fights in Glory sometimes in Europe.

2329
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 2: To see him out here after all of that. I

2330
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 2: know he's had peed failures left and right, stole a

2331
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 2: car allegedly one time. I mean he's had a run.

2332
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,560
Speaker 2: He's still on this card. I don't know what you

2333
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 2: could say about his career, but he's still present. I'll

2334
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 2: put it that way. He's still around.

2335
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I thought he beat Andy Ruiz in

2336
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 6: La back at that Ria season off card.

2337
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 7: I thought he beat him. He that's a that's a

2338
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 7: guy who's been pretty shameless since popping for a couple

2339
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 7: of steroids when he lost that Anthony Joshua fight. But

2340
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 7: he's a very for being such a big guy carrying

2341
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,439
Speaker 7: so much weight. He's got some crazy volume.

2342
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 3: He did you know he did.

2343
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 7: He never really been down. I mean Daniel Dubois man

2344
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 7: now off the top of the head.

2345
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 6: I can't remember if he got stopped right at the

2346
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 6: bell or if du Bois had him out on his

2347
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 6: feet at the bell at the in the final round.

2348
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 6: And Dubois a big puncher, big baby Miller is a

2349
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:01,200
Speaker 6: good shit talker. He throws a hell of a lot

2350
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 6: of punches. He's got really good punch resistance. You know,

2351
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if he'll ever hold a heavyweight title

2352
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 6: in this uh, in the heavyweight division, but yeah, man,

2353
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 6: he talks a lot of shit and except for Daniel Debois,

2354
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 6: he tends to back it up. So we'll see what

2355
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 6: we get out of him. He's fighting in the in

2356
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 6: the five Borough. He's fighting New York City's from Brooklyn.

2357
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:23,799
Speaker 6: Shoes shoes from Brooklyn. I think I think Bruce Carrington

2358
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 6: is gonna win that fight, win his first full world title,

2359
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 6: and cry in the ring thereafter. But he is fighting

2360
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 6: a fighter in Carlos Castro who is not this come

2361
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 6: forward Mexican fighter and kind of like Jermaine Ortiz against

2362
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:37,679
Speaker 6: Keishaan has been knocking on the door.

2363
01:46:38,240 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 7: Uh, he's come close. He a lot of people thought

2364
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 7: he beat Stephen Fulton and.

2365
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 6: Dropped him in their fight during the Canelo Berlanga undercard,

2366
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 6: so you know he he keeps it long and Bruce

2367
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 6: Carrington is a fighter who's a hell of a counterpuncher.

2368
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 6: Not always the best defense, fast hands, but sometimes as.

2369
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 7: A great counterpuncher.

2370
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 6: He waits to counter a little bit too much, and

2371
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 6: he can't do that against Carlos Castro, who's tall, rangey,

2372
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 6: got good feet. He's gonna have to use some of

2373
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 6: the parts of his arsenal he's neglected in some fights recently,

2374
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 6: mainly his jab, some of his feints he's gonna have

2375
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 6: to initiate and punctuate. If he just wastes to punctuate,

2376
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 6: just wastes to counter, this fight could get away from him.

2377
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 7: But I expect him to win win a world title

2378
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 7: on this card as well.

2379
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is breaking news or not,

2380
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 2: but ZUFA Boxing's main event for ZUFA Boxing three is

2381
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 2: Faa Jaga versus Charles Martin. Is that news?

2382
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 6: So?

2383
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2384
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 7: I actually heard about that from my guys in the

2385
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 7: Sport a couple of weeks ago.

2386
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2387
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 7: On Valentine's Day, FAA Jagua and Charles Martin.

2388
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 2: That's their first let me let me tee you up

2389
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 2: because they've got They've got Ryo fighting this weekend, and

2390
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 2: but also Top Rank has got this card in Puerto

2391
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 2: Rico trying to feature Xander Zias. How do you feel

2392
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 2: about what ZUFA is doing just on the boxing side,

2393
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 2: Just forget about the the contracts and all we you not.

2394
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 2: I eve been where that a million times, but on

2395
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 2: the boxing side, relative to what Top Rank is able

2396
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 2: to do, relative to what Golden Boy is able to

2397
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 2: do right now, how do you feel about their boxing efforts?

2398
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 7: I think their first show was.

2399
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 6: Kind of underwhelming given the bravado they're coming into the

2400
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 6: sport with now.

2401
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,480
Speaker 7: Definitely you could argue it's more sustainable.

2402
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,680
Speaker 6: They're coming in not blowing a lot of money on

2403
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,759
Speaker 6: the talent right away and on the card. Whereas PDC

2404
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 6: when they had their first card, it was Keith Thurman

2405
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 6: versus Robert Guerrero, it was two legit guys at the

2406
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 6: top level.

2407
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 7: It was a bigger fight. It was a bigger card, but.

2408
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,560
Speaker 6: That's harder to sustain, as we found out over the

2409
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,719
Speaker 6: last ten years. And then for Dezone, their first Foray

2410
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,719
Speaker 6: was supposed to be Demitrius Andred against Billy Joe Saunders.

2411
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 6: Billy Joe popped for something and it wound up being

2412
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 6: Demitrius Andrade against Walter Colton, Dakua and Eddie Hearn wound

2413
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 6: up losing a bunch of money for de Zone on

2414
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 6: Dimitrius Andre. So to give them credit where is due

2415
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 6: not coming out the gates hot, They're not coming out

2416
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,440
Speaker 6: the gates with a big name or a world championship

2417
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 6: level fighter in their main event, which was Calum Walls

2418
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 6: against Carlosokoppo, which wasn't really a good fight. I don't

2419
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:15,679
Speaker 6: think Callum Wallash, who's decent, is a world champion material.

2420
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,719
Speaker 6: But they did have some solid prospects on the undercard

2421
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 6: and Troy Nash, Emiliano Robert Garcia fight now all of

2422
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 6: a sudden, Emiliano card than us, and most importantly to me,

2423
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:28,600
Speaker 6: Robert Merriweather.

2424
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 7: Who's a good young prospect at twenty years old.

2425
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 6: The matchmaking was solid, and the Julian Rodriguez Kane Sanderbal

2426
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 6: fight was solid too. It had a lot of action,

2427
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:41,719
Speaker 6: but a lot of people are using the world's word

2428
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 6: sterile to describe the vibe in there in that APEX METAPEX,

2429
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 6: whatever the fuck Pex it is Mark Ruderberg complex now

2430
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 6: and they're the The commentary kind of devolved, like at first,

2431
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 6: you know, Max Kellerman and andre Ward are dropping jewels

2432
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 6: X Kellerman is talking about how it takes a talented

2433
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 6: fighter to throw his lead right hand at a certain

2434
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:09,080
Speaker 6: long distance and all that. But then eventually it just

2435
01:50:09,160 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 6: turned into the ZUFA boxing drinking game, like take a

2436
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 6: shot every time. Joe Tessitur and Max Kellerman are trying

2437
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 6: to give you the hard sell on ZUFA boxing, and

2438
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 6: it just kind of, I'll use your word that I

2439
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 6: came up with as well.

2440
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 7: It's kind of felt soulless and dystopian.

2441
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 6: It felt like this is just another chip towards you know,

2442
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 6: world domination for TKO and Ari Emmanuel and the people

2443
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 6: running that ship. But the car did produce some good

2444
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:41,560
Speaker 6: matchmaking and a lot of action. But as a first impression,

2445
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 6: I think it was underwhelming, giving given how much bravado

2446
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 6: they're coming into the game with.

2447
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 7: But it wasn't all bad.

2448
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 2: At the same time, what's left of top ranking Golden Boy.

2449
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're in trouble Man, Golden Boy is going to

2450
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 6: Swerve TV, which is a local Los Angeles channel. Oscar

2451
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 6: de la Joya his clapbacks. He makes good points, but

2452
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 6: it's not coming from a very strong messenger.

2453
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:07,800
Speaker 7: Right now.

2454
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:12,559
Speaker 6: His building in La just got foreclosed, his original Golden

2455
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 6: Boy offices.

2456
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 7: He's in a lawsuit with his best fighter, Virgil Ortiz.

2457
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 6: His other best fighter and biggest attraction, Ryan Garcia, by

2458
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 6: all accounts, will be leaving him. Oscar may have some

2459
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 6: options on him for two fights thereafter, but he'll still

2460
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:31,599
Speaker 6: be able to leave for after this Mario Barrios fight.

2461
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 6: He wound up folding to Turkey Ala Chic and giving

2462
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 6: him Barrios and Garcia as opposed to keeping it at

2463
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 6: Amazon Prime fight with PBC. And what's odd about that

2464
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 6: is he in the lawsuit with Ortiz. He reportedly turned

2465
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 6: down a two year extension with his own But then it's.

2466
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 7: Like, can't be lukewarm here. Then you got to try

2467
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:57,640
Speaker 7: to make something happen on Prime potentially then another distributor.

2468
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 6: He still thinks he can get something done with this,

2469
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 6: which he may have to to keep Virgil Ortiz because

2470
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 6: Ortiz has a clause in his contract that if Oscar

2471
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 6: doesn't have a deal done with a network, specifically his own,

2472
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 6: then he's he has a clause to get out of

2473
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 6: that contract. And then his third best fighter, Gilberto Zerto Ramirez.

2474
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 6: I don't think he beats David Benavitez a single demayo weekend.

2475
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,280
Speaker 7: So you know, I got love for Oscar. He's one

2476
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 7: of the great fighters I grew up with.

2477
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 6: I think he makes fair points against ZUFA, but it's

2478
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 6: not looking good for him and Golden Boy. And then

2479
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 6: with top rank they still have a war chest of talent.

2480
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,520
Speaker 6: They got a lot of the talent on this Saturday's

2481
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,920
Speaker 6: car Tia Fima, Lopez, Bruce Carrington and Keyshawn Davis are

2482
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:39,639
Speaker 6: all top.

2483
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 7: Ranked talents, but they don't have a network.

2484
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 6: I think this fight with Xanderzeos, which is a unification,

2485
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 6: a hell of a fight with Abos Barral, That's gonna

2486
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 6: be a hell of a fight, but it's in Xanderzeos.

2487
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 6: If he wins, becomes the youngest unified champion in the sport.

2488
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 7: But it's on Roku TV. I believe an app you

2489
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 7: gotta download.

2490
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,559
Speaker 6: They got some stuff showing on two and I think

2491
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 6: a big problem for Todd Prank isn't completely just the

2492
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 6: network situation where they ended on a whimper with ESPN.

2493
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 6: They had some strong outings on there, Haini Lomachenko, Lomachenko

2494
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 6: against Tiafimo Lopez.

2495
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 7: They co promoted Fury and Wilder.

2496
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,599
Speaker 6: That was great for the sport and they produced three

2497
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 6: great fights, two of which had to do with ESPN.

2498
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:28,680
Speaker 7: But but I think the big problem for them is

2499
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 7: who's the successor for Bob Aram.

2500
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 6: The jury is out big time on Todd to Buff

2501
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 6: who's been underneath kind of like an underboss to Bob

2502
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 6: and it does a lot of the decision making.

2503
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 7: But the jury's out big time if.

2504
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 6: Todd to Buff is the kind of successor to Bob Aram,

2505
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 6: if he could take them forward for the next sixty

2506
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 6: years like Aaron has for the last sixty years.

2507
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 7: I think if Aaron was twenty thirty years younger, they'd

2508
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 7: be in better shape.

2509
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,639
Speaker 6: To withstand the storm of the Saudi Public Investment Fund

2510
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 6: and eventually offer a lucrative alternative to what ZUFA has

2511
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:02,600
Speaker 6: going on.

2512
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:04,559
Speaker 7: But top ranks in big trouble.

2513
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 6: Bob Aram's ninety four years old and they don't have

2514
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 6: a network, but they do still have a lot of talent.

2515
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,600
Speaker 2: There's a lot else going on this boxing weekend. Bertazalie

2516
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 2: of his back. There's a whole bunch of things, but

2517
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,360
Speaker 2: we gotta get it going. Sean, how can folks get

2518
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:20,080
Speaker 2: more of your work? And what's your coverage plan for

2519
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 2: the weekend?

2520
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:23,719
Speaker 6: Man, I'll be doing a live round by round watch

2521
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 6: party tomorrow night for the Bakra Murdazalia fight overseas against

2522
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,519
Speaker 6: Josh Kelly. That's a good scrap. And then the whole

2523
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 6: ring card ring six tia Fimo and Shakor. I'll be

2524
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 6: live for that as well. Me and my guy Radio Raheem.

2525
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 6: We're gonna drop our instant reactions to that. We're gonna

2526
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 6: drop a reaction after the weigh in kind of give

2527
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,520
Speaker 6: our final analysis on tia Fimo and Shakor.

2528
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:47,160
Speaker 7: We'll have analysis right after the fight. I'll be live

2529
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 7: during the fight.

2530
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:52,000
Speaker 6: And yeah, man, and I'm always in the gyms here

2531
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 6: in Las Vegas getting quotes from champions and guys coming up.

2532
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 6: And Man, if you go to my channel, Shawanza tell

2533
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,840
Speaker 6: I got I got a ton of interviews despite not

2534
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 6: being in New York City for this card. The access

2535
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 6: isn't too great these days anyways, when you cover fights, Luke, So.

2536
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 2: If you can tell me about it, Yeah right.

2537
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,400
Speaker 6: If you can get around the local gyms and talk

2538
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 6: to fighters there, you might wind up with more interviews

2539
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 6: than you would sometimes flying out to a New York City.

2540
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,880
Speaker 6: So I appreciate the time, man, shout out to you, Luke.

2541
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 6: We had Lawrence Taylor, we had Ladany and Tomlinson, and

2542
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 6: now we got Luke Thomas.

2543
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:28,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take it.

2544
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 2: I also do coke and hang out with hookers. So

2545
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 2: me and the original lt Or we were killing it.

2546
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 2: We're killing it, Sean. Thank you so much. Man. We'll

2547
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 2: look forward to your Coveragejoe weekend. We'll get you back

2548
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 2: on again soon. Thank you.

2549
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:39,840
Speaker 7: Appreciate it.

2550
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 2: Brother. There he goes the great shawns to Tel. Can't

2551
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:44,240
Speaker 2: recommend him enough. I got to figure out what's going

2552
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 2: on with my focus here on this here screen. All right,

2553
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 2: let's remind everyone one more time. First of all, my

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Speaker 2: coverage plan for the weekend. I'll be watching I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna watch the whole car but I'm gonna watch the

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Speaker 2: main event from my watch along I think on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: and then I'll do the post fight through twenty five

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Speaker 2: post fight show I hope to God diego Lopez. I

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Speaker 2: don't care if you win or lose, but if you

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Speaker 2: don't cage cut, I'm gonna kill you on air, all right,

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Speaker 2: So there's that. Also, you can follow up. We'll put

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Speaker 2: it back up one more time. The socials here. As

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Speaker 2: you can see, there's Chucks who was here with us earlier.

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Speaker 2: He's got a coverage plan, and then my stuff and

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Speaker 2: then MK stuff. Don't forget these Stranger Danger design Morningcombat

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Speaker 2: dot Shop time is of the essence you have today

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Speaker 2: and tomorrow, and that is it. This goes away after that,

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Speaker 2: so you can go to Morningcombat dot Shop to get those.

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Speaker 2: And also don't forget Morningcombat at gmail dot com. We

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Speaker 2: haven't done fan subs in a while, we haven't done

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Speaker 2: dead wrongs in a while. We will still accept them.

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Speaker 2: We should do those once a month, so we'll while

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Speaker 2: we get that rotating back into the the the standard

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Speaker 2: rotation here pretty soon, Long Island, Why don't you promote

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Speaker 2: what's going you got going on?

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Speaker 5: I can't put myself on screen in this layoff, but

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Speaker 5: either way, I gotta watch along. Saturday, I'll be doing

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Speaker 5: the full card five pm Eastern, and I got ult

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Speaker 5: back on prop Quiz against Jed Mishu, airing in twenty

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Speaker 5: five minutes.

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Speaker 3: No spoilers, don't make it reaction LT, just sign us off,

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Speaker 3: please and thank you. Let's go every So there you

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Speaker 3: have it.

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Speaker 2: You can go check out main card minute for everyone

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Speaker 2: on this show, for Chuck, for Shawn Ztel and Long

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Speaker 2: Island Luke as well as the staff and everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you on Monday back with the Iceman himself,

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Speaker 2: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal