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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the world may seem like it's getting

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Speaker 1: people for this very moment. Well, today's guests are pioneers

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Speaker 1: in Christian media. They're here to share how to stand

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I am doing great. I'm glad for this todays. You know,

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Speaker 1: He was way ahead of it.

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Speaker 2: I had to rewind it and make sure.

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Speaker 1: A candle. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I am just so delighted to be here.

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Speaker 4: And today I've been thinking about the word restoration, which

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Speaker 3: So we'll hear about that today. I'm sure I love that.

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Speaker 5: Dorothy, Hello, Hello, doing really good? And you know what

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Speaker 5: Everything, and he reveals himself daily that I've given us

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh, doing so good.

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Speaker 1: See that smile, I mean, Dorothy smiles so big.

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Speaker 7: Truly, truly, you guys talked about it.

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Speaker 1: It's wonderful met and this one right here, Rachel has

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Speaker 1: Cindy Murdock, how are you. I'm doing great, of course,

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Speaker 1: But we're so glad to have Alan and Corey Huntsberger

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Speaker 10: Yeah. In fact, my spiritual father used to tell me.

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Speaker 1: Well, Corey, of course is your son, Yes, And now

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Speaker 1: You still wanted to be alive to see exactly you

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Speaker 1: want to.

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Speaker 10: Be alive to see it. But that that's not the problem.

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Speaker 10: The promise is when he gets old, yeah, it'll change.

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Speaker 10: And I believe that with all my heart. You know,

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Speaker 10: you just have to you just have to be willing

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Speaker 10: to allow the Holy Spirit the book.

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Speaker 4: You know, Corey, you said something about the hole in

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Speaker 4: your heart, and we try to fill that before we

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Speaker 4: know the Lord. With all of the things you did,

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Speaker 4: the drugs, alcohol, everything and what it does, it makes

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Speaker 4: a whole get bigger. And that hole can only be

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Speaker 4: filled by God. And when you brought God into that

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Speaker 4: place in your heart, you didn't need anything else. Yes,

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Speaker 4: And I just love the way you kept loving him.

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Speaker 4: I think that parents need to have a self landing

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Speaker 4: that's filled with love for the day when that child

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Speaker 4: does come back or come home, there's a self landing

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Speaker 4: for them.

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Speaker 3: I an thank you for that.

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Speaker 8: I think it's cool that you encountered God in that

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Speaker 8: way and surrendered to him at the altar, Because could

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Speaker 8: you imagine if you hadn't all of those other two

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Speaker 8: thousand young kids a couple of days later, like how

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Speaker 8: your yes affected their destiny? How many lives have you

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Speaker 8: impacted just from that one moment.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely.

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Speaker 11: And I also got to say that God knows us,

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Speaker 11: he knows our heart, he knows I was being stupid

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Speaker 11: in college. And here's what's great about God. He protected

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Speaker 11: me from doing something so dumb. Yes, I couldn't recover

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Speaker 11: from it.

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Speaker 1: So true. You know, Alan, when you heard that and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point you told your dad that

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Speaker 1: you got so discouraged that you had a gun. Yes,

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Speaker 1: when you heard that, that had to just shock you

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Speaker 1: to think that he would get to that point.

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Speaker 10: Not really, because the same thing happened to me when

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Speaker 10: I was twenty. Really, I thought that I had screwed

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Speaker 10: up so bad in my Christian life that there was

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Speaker 10: nothing left. And I went to a canyon at four

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Speaker 10: o'clock in the morning, and alls I would have had

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Speaker 10: to do was let myself go. And I was standing

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Speaker 10: at the canyon, and Corey knew about this standing at

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Speaker 10: the canyon, and believe it or not, God did not

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Speaker 10: say don't jump. God said, Alan, there's going to be

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Speaker 10: better days ahead.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you needed to hear.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and I walked away. See, all of his life

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Speaker 10: he lived under the shadow of me.

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Speaker 3: Lots of expectations.

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Speaker 10: Yes, So when you think about that on any child, yeah, right.

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Speaker 10: And I think those of us that are in the

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Speaker 10: ministry have to realize that you just got to love them.

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Speaker 10: I think the parable of the prodigal son is named wrong.

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Speaker 10: I think it needs to be the parable of the

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Speaker 10: loving Father, because the father had two sons and both

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Speaker 10: of them needed the father's love.

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Speaker 6: That's right, that's so good. That's so good.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to pray with you on you to

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Speaker 1: stay right there. I'm gonna take a little break when

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Speaker 1: we come back. We're going to price to stay right there.

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Speaker 12: Imagine facing a storm so vast it threatens to engulf

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Speaker 12: everything you've built. Would you falter or would you find

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Speaker 12: strength you never knew.

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Speaker 1: You had when a hurricane is tearing through your life.

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Speaker 1: Jesus is the peace that steals the waters of your soul.

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Speaker 12: This is a tale of navigating life's fiercest tempests and

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Speaker 12: discovering that sometimes the most profound truths are born in

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Speaker 12: the heart of the storm. Your copy now at joonylamb

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone. When we do want to pray with you,

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Speaker 1: especially those of you been watching and you can relate

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Speaker 1: to Corey's story and maybe you've never prayed, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you have prayed before, but you're not where you need

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Speaker 1: to be with the Lord Corey. Will you take a moment,

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Speaker 1: address them and get them to pray with you, and

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Speaker 1: we'll repeat after you.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, God is real, He loves you, and he desires

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Speaker 11: to have a relationship with you. He knows you better

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Speaker 11: than you know yourself or even your parents know you.

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Speaker 11: He knows your heart, he knows your mind, he knows

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Speaker 11: your dreams, and he wants.

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Speaker 7: A relationship with you.

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Speaker 11: Let's pray, Heavenly Father, Heavenly Father, come into my life,

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Speaker 11: my life.

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Speaker 7: Forgive me of my sin.

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Speaker 1: Forgive me my sin.

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Speaker 7: Wash me clean, marsh clean. Let me know who you are.

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Speaker 6: Let me know who you are in Jesus name Jesus.

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Speaker 1: And you know it's that simple. Always talk about my

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Speaker 1: grandpa praying at nineteen at a tulin' di meal on

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Speaker 1: a Monday morning at the water fountain in Greenville, South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't know anything about God or how to pray.

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Speaker 1: He just said, God, if you're there, I need you.

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Speaker 1: And God transformed his life and change the trajectory of

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Speaker 1: our family. I know somebody was sitting stable April, your dad,

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Speaker 1: same thing.

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Speaker 7: God.

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Speaker 1: He prayed a simple prayer, invited the Lord, and changed

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Speaker 1: his life. And he wants to do that for you.

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Speaker 1: For those of you that prayed that prayer, I want

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Speaker 1: you to go to the phone right now and let

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Speaker 1: us know that because we want to pray with you.

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Speaker 1: And also I'd love to send you. The Gospel of

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Speaker 1: John is a great place to start in the Word

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Speaker 1: of God. And it's a new day for you, just

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Speaker 1: like it was for Corey. God has so much more

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Speaker 1: for you. While we're out of time. I want you

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Speaker 1: to remember that God is in the business of restoration

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Speaker 1: and healing and deliverance.

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Speaker 6: He wants to do that for you today.

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Speaker 1: He still saves the loss, restores relationships every situation, and

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Speaker 1: all you have to do is call on the name

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Speaker 1: of the Lord. Just say Jesus, I need you now,

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Speaker 1: and I promise you he will show up again. If

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Speaker 1: you prayed that prayer, call the number on the screen,

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Speaker 1: or if you just need prayer today. We have prayer

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Speaker 1: partners that are standing by ready to pray with you.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Alan and Corey for joining us.

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Speaker 1: For more information, you can visit them online at go

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Speaker 1: talktruth dot com and is always make sure to followus

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Speaker 1: on all social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for

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Speaker 1: full episodes exclusive content. Let us know how table Talk

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Speaker 1: can also listen to the Johnie Table Talk podcast, available

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Speaker 1: now on all major platforms. But I want to thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for watching. I want to think most

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Speaker 1: of you that you stopped, you sat down, you listened,

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Speaker 1: and God has opened up your heart and you know

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Speaker 1: that He has a future for you and all you

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Speaker 1: have to do is surrender and say yes. He's just

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Speaker 1: looking for your yes. And I'm just going to tell

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Speaker 1: you in the days ahead, there are going to be

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Speaker 1: doors that are going to open that have been closed,

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Speaker 1: and there are going to be opportunities that you've wanted

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Speaker 1: that God's going to bring across your path. And it's

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Speaker 1: going to be because of your obedience and surrendering your

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Speaker 1: heart and your life to Him. And I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Thank you ladies, Thank

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Speaker 1: you Alan and Corey. Love you guys and appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being here today, and.

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Speaker 10: We love you.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about what all God has for you. The

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Speaker 1: best is yet to come. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 9: By bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know many parents know the heartbreak of loving

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Speaker 1: a prodigal child, watching from a distance as they make

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Speaker 1: pain choice is wondering if they'll ever return home. Well,

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Speaker 1: today's guests have been in that place and are here

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Speaker 1: to share how release and control and trusting God can

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Speaker 1: be the key to true healing. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to that, join me around the table is a very

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Speaker 1: eloquent doctor Doug Wise. This is a subject that is real,

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Speaker 1: it's near and dear to your heart.

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Speaker 13: Yes, I mean, I've seen so many parents in churches

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Speaker 13: who have prodigal parents, even pastors who it's kind of

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Speaker 13: like they're in a secret pain and they're kind of

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Speaker 13: bleeding quietly.

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Speaker 14: And this is a huge topic. I'm glad we're talking

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Speaker 14: about it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to pray for them to be set free,

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Speaker 1: release those kids and see them come to Jesus.

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Speaker 14: Amen.

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Speaker 13: But also even if they come back, the parents still

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Speaker 13: have to heal. Yeah, it's real pain that.

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Speaker 5: They go through, right, Dorothy Need, how are you feeling great?

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Speaker 6: Good?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Sitting between you guys.

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Speaker 1: I know that you and I both have friends that

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Speaker 1: we've seen, you know, have sons and daughters that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, track, it's such a hord horror topic.

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Speaker 5: But the amazing thing is that nothing is too hard for.

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Speaker 1: God, you know, and it's it's I've.

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Speaker 5: Just listened to so many stories that and I've been

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Speaker 5: encouraged through their walk, and so I'm excited about what

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Speaker 5: we're getting here today. Because I know it will help

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Speaker 5: and set somebody free.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's my girl, Rachel amb Brown.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 6: I'm good.

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Speaker 1: You know you're sitting around the table right now, that's.

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Speaker 6: Ready to say.

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Speaker 8: I have two little boys, and I always joke around

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Speaker 8: with my oldest Judah and I and I say we

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Speaker 8: always be Mommy's baby, and.

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Speaker 6: He'll say, okay, I'll always be.

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Speaker 8: And I said, even when you're taller than me and

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Speaker 8: stronger than me, someday will you be my baby?

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Speaker 6: And he said, I will always be your baby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And I can't imagine as a mom or a parent

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Speaker 8: having to walk through something like this, and I hope

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Speaker 8: that I never do.

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Speaker 6: But we're going to learn today.

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Speaker 1: You can get an emotional thinking about it, but at

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Speaker 1: he has to make a choice, and you can't take

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Speaker 1: responsibility for his choices. Yeah, it's like I couldn't take

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Speaker 1: responsibility for your choices. You had a little moment, you

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Speaker 10: Back right a little.

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Speaker 6: I think you're all right, see the word, like.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing well? Thank you? You know.

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Speaker 1: It makes me think about my mom and dad with

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Speaker 1: my two brothers who were prodigal sons and prodigal brothers.

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Speaker 1: But through the years they went through a lot of hardship,

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Speaker 1: but through the years they came to know Jesus Christ

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Speaker 1: as their savior. Yeah, and I'm rejoicing that they were

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Speaker 1: welcomed back wonderfully and happily back. And we got at

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Speaker 1: the table Harvey and Darlene Johnson, who have dealt with

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Speaker 1: a prodigal We're going to tell your story. So so

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Speaker 1: thankful for to have you here today. Thank you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for having the bravery and the courage to share

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Speaker 1: your story. Well, surrendering to God's timing as a parent

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Speaker 1: can be incredibly challenging, especially when you want your child

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Speaker 1: make choices that lead them down the wrong path. Well,

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Speaker 1: Harvey and Darling Johnson are here to share a beautiful

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Speaker 1: your story is not, Darlene, an overnight story. This is

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Speaker 1: a long journey that you were on with your son.

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Speaker 1: But take us back to growing up. What was he

673
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Speaker 1: like as a little boy and growing up did you

674
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Speaker 1: ever think you'd be in these type of circumstances.

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Speaker 6: Not at all. He was a wonderful child.

676
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Speaker 15: He was a mama's boy, of course, and just he

677
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Speaker 15: would sit and play for hours.

678
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Speaker 6: He never cried much.

679
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Speaker 15: He was I would say, if you could have a

680
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Speaker 15: perfect child, he was close to perfect.

681
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Speaker 1: And so what happened? When did the turn happen? Did

682
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Speaker 1: he get in the wrong crowd?

683
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Speaker 6: What it was in?

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Speaker 15: Yes, he did, and it was in his early teens,

685
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Speaker 15: fourteen fifteen years old, getting with the wrong crowd and

686
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Speaker 15: of course being mama, you know, I'm always there trying

687
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Speaker 15: to bell him ount.

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Speaker 1: So was there was there church? God element a part

689
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Speaker 1: of your family at that point? Was yeah? So would

690
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Speaker 1: he go to church?

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Speaker 6: She did?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, he did, And he seemed to adapt well in

693
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Speaker 15: any situation. He was a follower and he wanted to

694
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Speaker 15: be accepted that he once he got in with the

695
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 15: wrong crowd, he just got lured in and it was

696
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Speaker 15: like there was nothing we could do, nothing we could say.

697
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Speaker 15: It was a twenty four to seven heartache that never stopped.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever talk about it like at church or

699
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Speaker 1: did you ever tell anybody just keep it and.

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Speaker 15: Not because back then that was a long time ago.

701
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Speaker 15: You don't talk about it. You sweep it under the

702
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Speaker 15: rug and you deal with it. So there was a

703
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Speaker 15: lot of shame and guilt because I didn't want anybody

704
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Speaker 15: to know. You know, it's still around other parents and

705
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 15: their kids are doing great, and then there's your son.

706
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Speaker 1: So is this a common thing that happens with parents

707
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Speaker 1: to shame beget.

708
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Speaker 13: Absolutely When you have a prodigal you can't be proud

709
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Speaker 13: to talk about them, and you don't want anybody asking

710
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 13: you questions about them, So you move from the first

711
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 13: pew to the fifth few to the last pew, and

712
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 13: oftentimes you will leave church because you don't want people

713
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 13: to be asking you questions about the worst pain that

714
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Speaker 13: you've ever experienced.

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Speaker 8: And has a mommy probably want ever attack your kids?

716
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Speaker 13: Yeah, you don't want to shame them either, but yeah, so,

717
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 13: but this is a huge problem and there's nothing out

718
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 13: there for them other than we'll pray for your little Bobby, okay,

719
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Speaker 13: And they don't realize that this is trauma, this is hurt,

720
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Speaker 13: this is grieving. Twenty four to seven, You know, for

721
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Speaker 13: your helpless and.

722
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Speaker 14: You are helpless. You are helpless as a parent.

723
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Speaker 5: So Darling, you know, was mentioning that you know she

724
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Speaker 5: would help and help I mean, was she not supposed

725
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Speaker 5: to let them hit rock bottom?

726
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Speaker 14: Now I'll let her answer that.

727
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Speaker 13: Now, what do you think now, now that you've gone

728
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 13: through the materials, would you have done it differently had

729
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 13: you had that twenty years ago.

730
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Speaker 15: Yes, the first time he got arrested, I would probably

731
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 15: let him set in jail. Okay, i'd be the second time,

732
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Speaker 15: because I think you show grace and mercy a little bit.

733
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 15: Everybody makes mistakes, but after about the third, fourth, fifth time,

734
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Speaker 15: and people trying to tell you constantly.

735
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Speaker 1: It's hard to let go so hardly.

736
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Speaker 6: But what if he changes this time?

737
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Speaker 8: So do you think parents that are trying to help

738
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Speaker 8: their kids are actually enabling them and prolonging?

739
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Speaker 13: Yeah, let's talk to someone who did it for twenty

740
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Speaker 13: six years professionally.

741
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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, all right.

742
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: So let's just tell everybody what happens. I love this

743
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: part of the story. Yeah, table talks in this story.

744
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: That's your watch here right now. Okay, So take us

745
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Speaker 1: back to that morning you were watching the show.

746
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Speaker 15: I had been through a lot of healing classes at

747
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 15: church small groups and doing great, but it was like

748
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Speaker 15: there was something missing. I wanted more. God, show me

749
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 15: what has happened here. It's just like something was missing.

750
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Speaker 15: So I got up this morning and of course I

751
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 15: watched Joni Table Talk every morning. And my mentor called

752
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 15: me that morning and she was right after COVID and

753
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 15: she said, Darlene, are you watching Joni? And I said,

754
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 15: I'm turning it on now. She said, there's a doctor

755
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 15: Doug wiss On there that has just written a book.

756
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 15: You really need to consider ordering this. I think this

757
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 15: will help you. And so imediate Leah. I got online.

758
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 15: I ordered the book, the work book and the DVD

759
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 15: and so took myself through the class and I was amazed.

760
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 15: I mean it was like Jesus jumped off the pages

761
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 15: in this book.

762
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Speaker 1: I know you the book of course, the Prodigal Parent Process,

763
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: Doug you wrote, and then the DVD's almost four hours

764
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Speaker 1: and he takes you through each like almost like you're

765
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Speaker 1: in accounting session. And then you've got the work book.

766
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: But what was it about this product? The Prodigal Parent

767
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: processes again for the parents to understand their role in

768
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Speaker 1: all this. And yes, we we want to pray for

769
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: your children, and we'll do that, and there's a number

770
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: coming up on the screen you can call and leave

771
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: their name. We're going to pray for them. But what

772
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: was it about this that helped you so much. I

773
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Speaker 1: know there were several parts.

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Speaker 15: Of it, well it was like you had a counselor

775
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 15: there in the room explaining what you had been through.

776
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Speaker 15: But it was it was like Jesus was talking to me.

777
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Speaker 15: In the first chapter when we learn about God being

778
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Speaker 15: the first prodigal parent, that really hit me because he

779
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 15: didn't chase his children, he didn't run after them, He

780
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 15: allowed them free will. I learned the power of free will.

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Speaker 15: That was the first thing. And then of course every

782
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Speaker 15: chapter gets deeper and deeper, and it touches on the

783
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Speaker 15: marriage the siblings, and it was the most amazing teaching

784
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Speaker 15: that I have ever been through.

785
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Speaker 1: So what about the trauma aspect? I know he talks

786
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Speaker 1: about that, and this.

787
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Speaker 15: Is what when I got to that part, and I

788
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 15: had been in Christian counseling, and I knew God that

789
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Speaker 15: I diagnosed myself because it had never been mentioned to

790
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 15: me about the grief, the trauma much less PTSD than

791
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 15: never entered my mind. But every symptom was me. And

792
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 15: I realized what had happened to me. And I mean,

793
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 15: it was so emotional, but it was so beautiful too

794
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Speaker 15: to finally have an answer. And I thought God, if

795
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Speaker 15: I'm suffering this and I'm understanding this, how many more

796
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Speaker 15: of me is they're out there that don't know this?

797
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Speaker 1: How did you? Was there a prayer that you pray

798
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Speaker 1: to release or surrender at some moment as you're going

799
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Speaker 1: through this process.

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Speaker 15: I think I prayed through the entire book, just asking

801
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 15: God to show me, to give me revelation. So I

802
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 15: started having revelation after revelation, and it was like the

803
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 15: Bible came to life for me. And I've never had

804
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Speaker 15: that happen because, like you said, doctor Doug, people say

805
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Speaker 15: I'll pray for you, and that's wonderful.

806
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 14: But more than that, but when I.

807
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Speaker 6: Go home, I need healing. How do I heal from this?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Harvey, what happened after your wife went through this process?

809
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 13: Did she become how did she become different? And how

810
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 13: did the marriage become different?

811
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Speaker 10: Naturally?

812
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Speaker 16: Our marriage got better and better and better. Is she

813
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 16: went through these courses and she learns that it's just

814
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 16: like you do teaching. You learn from teaching. And she's

815
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 16: just been a phenomenal job trying to educate herself and

816
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 16: share share her problems with other people and griefs well.

817
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Speaker 1: And she absorbed the truth that she was hearing. Yes,

818
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Speaker 1: I know, I do like that. When I'm on the

819
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: table we've got people, I feel like I just is absorbed.

820
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Speaker 1: Then I want to share and help everybody learned so much.

821
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Speaker 1: It touched you so much and impacted you so much.

822
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Speaker 1: You went to your pastor's wife. And what happened?

823
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Speaker 6: I did.

824
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Speaker 15: They had a prodigal and I introduced this to her

825
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 15: and she went through the teaching and she was amazed,

826
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Speaker 15: and she spent a ministry all of her life and

827
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Speaker 15: she said, Darling, this has revolutionized my thinking. And I

828
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Speaker 15: said me too. I said, I think we need to

829
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Speaker 15: launch a small group.

830
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Speaker 14: And what happened? How many people shut up?

831
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Speaker 6: Forty three three small?

832
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Speaker 13: I want to launch a small group of forty three people.

833
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Speaker 8: That just shows you that need.

834
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Speaker 15: That kept coming in And I was like, how many

835
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Speaker 15: of may is there out there?

836
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Speaker 6: And they're just that's just here in one church?

837
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

838
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Speaker 10: Wow, you know.

839
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Speaker 6: So it was very emotional.

840
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Speaker 1: So so Doug, take a moment, if you will, and

841
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Speaker 1: just talk to that parent that has carried the load

842
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Speaker 1: of that prodigal, and we're going to talk a little

843
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Speaker 1: bit about the sibling in just a moment, because that's important.

844
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Speaker 1: But the parent that has shame and guilt if I've

845
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Speaker 1: done this, if I done that, that's what that is.

846
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Speaker 1: From the enemy.

847
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Speaker 6: He is the accuser.

848
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Speaker 1: He is the one that accuses you and tells you

849
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Speaker 1: you came up short and you didn't know.

850
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Speaker 6: There's no perfect parent, that's for sure. But this will

851
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Speaker 6: set you free. What you're going to share it?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, you know, because Christians we have this kind

853
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Speaker 13: of like cause and effect when it comes to parent

854
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Speaker 13: We think if we do everything right that our kids

855
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Speaker 13: are guaranteed to come out right.

856
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Speaker 14: That's not true. It's free will.

857
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Speaker 13: God was perfect and he got poor results, okay, and

858
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Speaker 13: so and then there's these awful parents who end up

859
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Speaker 13: having this as a radical transformation in Jesus and becomes

860
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Speaker 13: a world changer.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, these parents that aren't even saved.

862
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Speaker 14: Mine wasn't saved.

863
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Speaker 1: When they they haven't, they meet somebody who tells them

864
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Speaker 1: about Jesus. It transforms to your life and the parents

865
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Speaker 1: to do it.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 13: So you don't get credit either way, but don't take

868
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Speaker 13: credit for their poor decisions. Okay, that's on them, and

869
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Speaker 13: this prodigal process is on them one hundred percent. Read

870
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Speaker 13: Romans one and you'll find out what I'm talking about.

871
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Speaker 13: So please, if you need help with the false guilt,

872
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 13: if you're feeling ashamed, you not only get the product,

873
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 13: give us a call and let's pray for you, because

874
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 13: you don't need to be alone. Starter group being a group,

875
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Speaker 13: I mean the group process. How was that when you

876
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 13: were in that you already went through material? How is

877
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 13: that for you and your continued healing? And how much

878
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 13: healing did you see in these other people?

879
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Speaker 6: Oh? It was amazing.

880
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Speaker 15: And one thing that we do at the end of

881
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Speaker 15: our teaching is we bring in, because we have access

882
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Speaker 15: in our church to recovery, we bring in I'll bring

883
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Speaker 15: my son in, a couple of his friends, maybe a

884
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 15: couple of ladies that have gone through recovery. We have

885
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Speaker 15: a celebration at the end of the class celebrating the

886
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 15: prodigals that have come home, and we give the group

887
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Speaker 15: an opportunity to ask them questions.

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Speaker 6: And that was real.

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Speaker 15: Powerful because you've got a parent sitting there that their

890
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Speaker 15: child is still out there. So to be able to

891
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Speaker 15: look at that child that was a prodigal that came

892
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Speaker 15: home and be able to ask them a question, it's

893
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 15: real powerful.

894
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 10: And you guys.

895
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 13: I mean, how does it feel to have other people

896
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 13: praying for your prodigal? You know, because you guys do

897
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 13: that as well we do. And then when they come

898
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 13: home what happens to the group.

899
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 15: Oh, it's amazing because I encouraged them to have a

900
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 15: James five sixteen prayer partner throughout the teaching and we

901
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 15: exchange cards with a prodigal's name. So for twelve or

902
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 15: sixteen weeks, you've got someone praying standing in the gap

903
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 15: for your prodigal, calling that name out loud, and that's

904
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 15: so important.

905
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: That's so good. Well, we've got to hear about Chad.

906
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: So you finally, you finally released him to God. And

907
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about today. We're talking about do

908
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: you really trust God with that son or daughter or

909
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: that grandchild. I know I've seen calls today from grandmother's

910
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: calling about their grandchildren. They're very concerned. But have you

911
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: really released them to God? Because that's the key right there.

912
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: And it's so hard to do. And I can say this

913
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: as a mother, it's so hard to release and believe

914
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: God's to do what only he can do. But you

915
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: finally did that. Tell us about the incident around that

916
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: when you finally said no, it was the first time

917
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: you ever said no to Chad.

918
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 6: Sure he was in his recovery.

919
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 15: He had gotten real sick and they had taken him

920
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 15: to a nearby hospital and he called me one night

921
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 15: and he said, Mom, I'm at the hospital.

922
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 6: You need to come get me. And I said, what's wrong?

923
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 15: And he said, I'm broke out from head to toe

924
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 15: and I think I'm dying. Will you please come get me?

925
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 15: And for a split second I was almost like, oh

926
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 15: my gosh, I've got to go get him. The two

927
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 15: kids had walked out of the bedroom and were sitting

928
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 15: on the floor and I looked at them and they

929
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 15: were crying, and I thought, no, how much longer do

930
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 15: we have to live like this? And I said, son,

931
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 15: I am not coming to get you, and he was

932
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 15: irad on the phone and I'm going to die. And

933
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 15: I said, listen, you're at a hospital. If anything happens.

934
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: When you talk about manipulation, right, the manipulation, manipulator, of manipulator,

935
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: And I woke up.

936
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 6: And I may not pass it.

937
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: I may.

938
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 6: I woke up and I was at the hospital.

939
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 15: I had had a mental breakdown, thinking that if I

940
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 15: didn't go get him. It would be my fault. That's

941
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 15: how much guilt that I carried in this.

942
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: But you didn't. But you didn't go get him.

943
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 15: Didn't go get him, and he got out, went back

944
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 15: into the program.

945
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: Back in to see you would have just delayed.

946
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 6: I would start to hear him.

947
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: So what happened when he went into the.

948
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 6: Pro he was miraculously healed.

949
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 15: His counselors called me and said, miss Johnson, you need

950
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 15: to come visit your son. Because I told him I

951
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 15: wasn't coming to visit him. There was a lot of

952
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 15: anger involved in this. And they called me again, said

953
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 15: miss Johnson, we really think you need to come visit

954
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 15: your son. There's been an Apostle Paul transformation. And I

955
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 15: was like, yeah, all right, but I'm going to go

956
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 15: one more time.

957
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 6: So I load up the kids and here we go.

958
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 15: I pulled up that day and he was standing at

959
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 15: a picnic table and it was like there was a

960
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 15: glow around him, and I thought, something looks different. So

961
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 15: he hands me a letter in an envelope and he says, Mom,

962
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 15: when you get home tonight, read this. And it was

963
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 15: a letter of forgiveness. And we never even thought about

964
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 15: forgiving each other. It was so bad by then. But

965
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 15: I read the letter that night and it was so toxic.

966
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 15: The relationship at that point. Well, you know, I was codependent.

967
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 15: We were you know, I was his enabler and I

968
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 15: was controlling, and it was it was just a mess.

969
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: So you start reading the letter, what happened broke because

970
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: kind of thing City says to you in there.

971
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 15: Just asking me to forgive him for specific things. Thank

972
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 15: you for taking the children. You know, God has touched

973
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 15: my life. You know his kids. I had his children.

974
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 15: You were full time caregiver.

975
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 6: We were a full time for several.

976
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: Week because the mother. The mother had addictions, she was awful.

977
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: He had all his issues, and so you had taken

978
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: on the two grandchildren.

979
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 6: Yes, Harvey had a business to run.

980
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 15: I had a career, and we didn't know anything about daycare.

981
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 15: And we thought, you know, we were dreaming and planning

982
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 15: our future. And then all of a sudden, I get

983
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 15: a phone call that the kids had been taken to

984
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 15: DHR in Mississippi.

985
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 6: So I look at Harvey and I go, what do

986
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 6: we do?

987
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 15: And he says, go get those babies, go get them,

988
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 15: we'll figure it out.

989
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 10: Wow.

990
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 15: So I went and got the children came home and

991
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 15: became mother instead of grandmother.

992
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think about when you took Chad to

993
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: the rehab place or the place where you dropped him off.

994
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: The thing that spoke to me too was when you

995
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: drove away, you saw those crosses and you made a

996
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 1: commitment to God. You were releasing him right, You weren't

997
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: going to pick it up anymore.

998
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: You gave him totally to God.

999
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: He laid it at the cross.

1000
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 6: I did.

1001
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 15: He laid him at the cross, and it was basically

1002
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 15: a prayer that said, God, help me, and help us,

1003
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 15: and take my son. You gave him to me, I'm

1004
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 15: giving him back to you one hundred percent. And on

1005
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 15: the drive home, I started seeing crosses and that got

1006
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 15: me back in church and started my recover. But he

1007
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 15: did look at me and say, Mom, when you go home,

1008
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 15: start your recovery. And I said to him, there's nothing

1009
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 15: wrong with me except you.

1010
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 6: That it was that bad. It was that bad, but there.

1011
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: Was a lot that God needed to do in your

1012
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: heart and your life. I mean, you finally opened up

1013
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: and let God begin to do this work in you.

1014
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Because you know, as parents done, people don't realize or

1015
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: these parents are even watching don't realize some of the

1016
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: trauma they've gone through that they need to release and

1017
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: be healed from.

1018
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 10: U's right.

1019
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 13: And so yeah, in the parent product, the anger, work

1020
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 13: with stuff and looking at you know, even the marriage

1021
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 13: because you blame each other, you know, for what's going on.

1022
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 14: And then also the repairing of the siblings.

1023
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 13: You know, you could talk about that for a second,

1024
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 13: you know, because there was this other child too that

1025
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 13: was watching everything.

1026
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 6: Tell us about your daughter.

1027
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 15: Have a daughter, Amber, and she's precious, and she sat

1028
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 15: back and watched all of this, but she never said anything.

1029
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 15: I had no idea the rejection she suffered, the trauma

1030
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 15: she suffered, because.

1031
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: You're focusing all your attention on this problem over here.

1032
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 15: Yeah, all my tension day and night is a twenty

1033
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 15: four to seven trauma.

1034
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 6: I mean it never stopped.

1035
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: And Harvey, was that debilitating for you to watch her suffer?

1036
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: Well?

1037
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 14: Absolutely, yes.

1038
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: You probably felt helpless at times how to help her?

1039
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 16: Right, I wasn't enabled or enabling her to enable actually yeah,

1040
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 16: but to save my marriage. I'd argue with her, but

1041
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 16: it didn't do it. You know, you always want went

1042
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 16: over look. I kept telling her what when he falled

1043
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 16: down out in the middle of Highway nine.

1044
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 14: He ate out there.

1045
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 16: Just let him get up herself and dust his bridges

1046
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 16: off and get home with his life.

1047
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of a Southern way of saying it is

1048
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: that the truth, That is the truth. He just let

1049
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: him fall down in highway Nanny and end up and.

1050
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 6: Pull the breeches out.

1051
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 13: You know, in the scripture, the father never left his

1052
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 13: own house and chased his son, and that's a hard

1053
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 13: thing to do.

1054
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: He was always looking for him to be believed.

1055
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 13: But he didn't get involved. And it's okay for it

1056
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 13: to be that way. And men tend to know that

1057
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 13: intuitively because we're men.

1058
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 14: Especially if it's a son that's a parker. Now if

1059
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 14: it's a girl, it switches.

1060
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 13: He's the one going out and rescuing her and you say, no,

1061
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 13: you need to let her fall.

1062
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 9: No, no, no.

1063
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 13: It's a cross gender thing because when you're a dad,

1064
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 13: you can do anything for your little girl, and your

1065
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 13: mom you can do it through your baby boy, right,

1066
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 13: and so it it works both ways, and so but

1067
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 13: it is. It causes intention in the family, causes attention

1068
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 13: to marriage because your daughter not only was dealing with

1069
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 13: her pain, she was watching you being pain and watching

1070
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 13: you not have enough energy for her, and she was

1071
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 13: watching the little tips you guys going through and thinking, Dad,

1072
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 13: come on, you know, help here, you know, because Mom's wrong.

1073
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: So she got to share these feelings and emotions with

1074
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: you that had gone on for years, and God was

1075
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: able to open up your heart in her heart for

1076
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: reconciliation and just a talk that needed to happen.

1077
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 6: And this just happened a year ago.

1078
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 15: So we're twelve years and I'm twelve years into my recovery.

1079
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 6: Wow.

1080
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 15: And so I had been to visit her in Birmingham

1081
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,479
Speaker 15: and was driving home and when I left, she called

1082
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 15: me and she said, Mom, can I have a transparent

1083
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 15: conversation with you about what has happened to me the

1084
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 15: last few years?

1085
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 6: And I said, sure you can.

1086
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 15: So she began to open up and say things to

1087
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 15: me that she said, you know, I love you.

1088
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 6: You've been a wonderful mom.

1089
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 15: But I feel visible, invisible, and I mean it was amazing.

1090
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 15: We were on the phone for an hour and the

1091
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 15: only thing I said when we before we hung up,

1092
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 15: I said, I don't even know what to say, except

1093
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 15: will you forgive me? Because I'm not who I used

1094
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 15: to be?

1095
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Would she say.

1096
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 15: She said, of course I will. I love you and

1097
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 15: you were a good mom, but I just missed you.

1098
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Wow. So what does it do for a child when

1099
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: you're able to say that?

1100
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 13: In the parent pradical process, we talked about the you know,

1101
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 13: the in the parcical story, there's the other brother, right,

1102
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 13: and he saw Dad cry, he saw Dad on the

1103
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 13: porch pacing, and they go through their own process of

1104
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 13: grieving and pain, but they lose a percentage of their

1105
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 13: parent in the process, and so it's very normal for

1106
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 13: that to happen. I'm glad that she was mature enough

1107
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 13: to share a heart with you and to make you

1108
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 13: aware of that.

1109
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 14: That's beautiful.

1110
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there may be somebody watching right now

1111
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: you just kind of stop to watch because you're you're

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Speaker 1: kind of dealing with the situation with your son or daughter,

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Speaker 1: And I just want to say that the first and

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Speaker 1: most important decision that you can make is to invite

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Speaker 1: Jesus into this process. And how does somebody do that? Doug,

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Speaker 1: you take a moment, well.

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Speaker 13: You know, you might yourself like pull have pulled away

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Speaker 13: from God, or you might be that prodigal who someone

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Speaker 13: shared the show with you. If you are that prodigal

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Speaker 13: You can come home right now. You don't have to

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Speaker 13: do this to your mom or dad anymore. You don't

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Speaker 13: have to do this to the Father God. Just say

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Speaker 13: this prayer with me, say Jesus, Jesus, forgive me of

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Speaker 13: my sins. I accept your death as full payment.

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Speaker 6: I accept your death.

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Speaker 14: I make you Lord right now.

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Speaker 10: In Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Statement Jesus.

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Speaker 13: And if you said that prayer, call the number and

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Speaker 13: screen you would to get a couple of things for you.

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Speaker 13: But it's so important. And if you have a prodigal

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Speaker 13: don't be alone. Let people pray with you and walk

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Speaker 13: with you and be in community. Because wasn't that the

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Speaker 13: most healing thing when you had other people who knew

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Speaker 13: your story. There was no shame when you walked in

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Speaker 13: the room, and when they walked in the room, their

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Speaker 13: head was up, it wasn't down. And they were among

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Speaker 13: friends and you were praying for one well, and.

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Speaker 6: There were other groups that were starting.

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Speaker 1: I did want to mention while we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: prodigal parent process is the book. Here's the DVD has

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Speaker 1: almost four hours of Doug teaching, counseling through each chapter

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Speaker 1: and taking you through the process along with the word book.

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Speaker 1: So for a one time gift of ninety nine dollars,

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Speaker 1: you can get all three. The book is twenty if

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Speaker 1: you just want to get the book, but I recommend

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Speaker 1: that you get all of it. You told me the

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Speaker 1: DVD was the most impactful thing for you. I mean

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Speaker 1: all of it, but that really did.

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Speaker 15: It really did, because it was like you have a counselor,

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Speaker 15: a trained Christian counselor in the room with you speaking

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Speaker 15: to you, and it brought it more to life and

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Speaker 15: more real and it was very impactful.

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Speaker 1: So in closing, how is Chad today?

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Speaker 6: He's amazing.

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Speaker 15: He's an entrepreneur, he owns his several businesses.

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Speaker 6: And Harvey and I work for him. That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: You and Harvey work for him. Now, well you should

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Speaker 1: and he should pay you. Well, that's awesome. And so

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Speaker 1: there's hope today. And you know what, it was a

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Speaker 1: twenty six year walk of believing God till she finally said, Okay, God,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust you. And that's what the Lord's saying

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Speaker 1: to many of you today. We are out of time,

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Speaker 1: but don't you remember that your family is part of

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Speaker 1: God's design no matter the struggles you face.

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Speaker 6: He invites all.

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Speaker 1: Who are weary and burden to come to Him for rest.

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Speaker 1: That scripture says, coming to me all you that labor

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Speaker 1: and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

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Speaker 1: He wants to give you that rest today in knowing

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Speaker 1: that you can trust Him. And of course, when you

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Speaker 1: surrender your family and your relationships, said the Lord, he

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Speaker 1: brings healing and peace like no other. It's a peace

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Speaker 1: that passes all understanding. And if you're watching today and

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Speaker 1: you need prayer, you're dealing with your prodigal now's the

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Speaker 1: time to go to the phone and call. We'd love

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Speaker 1: to pray with you. Also, if you prayed that prayer

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Speaker 1: of salvation with doctor Doug, you can call and we'll

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Speaker 1: send you the Book of John, the Gospel of John.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place to start in the Bible. Get

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Speaker 1: a Bible that you can understand. Start reading that, and

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Speaker 1: we're excited about what God has for you in the

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Speaker 1: days of head. You're not alone any longer. You have

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Speaker 1: Him with you to help you through any situation of life.

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank Harvey and Darling Johnson for

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Speaker 1: joining us today. Be sure you pick up a copy

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Speaker 1: of The Prodigal Parent Process material. You can get it

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Speaker 1: at Jonilamb dot com slash Prodigal Parent. You get the book,

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Speaker 1: you can get all three along with the four hours

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Speaker 1: of teaching and for a gift of ninety nine dollars.

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Speaker 1: As always, make sure to follow us on all social media.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content,

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Speaker 1: and let us know how table talk is touching your

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Speaker 1: life because we love hearing from you. Of course, you

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Speaker 1: can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available

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Speaker 1: now on all major platforms. I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for watching. Thank you darling. Now you get

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Speaker 1: to watch a table talk with your own testimony. I do.

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Speaker 1: Is that exciting? Make sure you call everybody hand I

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Speaker 1: was going to say, as a result of you doing groups,

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Speaker 1: there have been others in other states that have picked

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Speaker 1: up and started doing groups, and I'm excited about that

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited.

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Speaker 15: And the recovery center that he graduated from has now

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Speaker 15: launched a counseling for parents of prodigals because the impact

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Speaker 15: is so profound.

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Speaker 1: When we went over to space, amazing does that bless you?

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Speaker 14: It does?

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Speaker 13: That was what the vision God gave me. Wouldn't give

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Speaker 13: me this stuff was like this. This has been church

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Speaker 13: churches everywhere. Yeah, have to have a group.

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Speaker 1: I know you loved a group that God wants to

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Speaker 1: use you and some of you. You can do a

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Speaker 1: group in your church and be a blessing. Hey, thank

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Speaker 1: you for watching. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 9: Bye bye for today.