Speaker 1: Welcome back to Unplugged today, joining me my brother Ulysses
Speaker 1: Jesse the third in the city. So people think your
Speaker 1: mental name is Ulysses. For real.
Speaker 2: We're gonna rock with it.
Speaker 1: It's worth cool. Spurs, Yeah, Spurs. They took Game three well,
Speaker 1: by the way, good job holding down unplug while I
Speaker 1: was gone.
Speaker 2: I appreciate anytime job.
Speaker 1: I was able to check it out. But your Spurs
Speaker 1: got they got winning the Guard last night. Trump was
Speaker 1: bad luck Knicks lost. But Joah, I feel like this
Speaker 1: series game and this could very easily be two to
Speaker 1: one San Antonio. But it's two to one Knicks. You
Speaker 1: predicted the Spurs will win the series. What do you
Speaker 1: make of it? No one's ever come back from two
Speaker 1: to oh uh in the finals. It was the first
Speaker 1: two home games. Do your Spurs have a chance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because games still gotta be played. You know, That's how
Speaker 1: we always look at it.
Speaker 3: They still gotta Knicks got to stat of go out
Speaker 3: there and get a job done. My thing was I
Speaker 3: wanted to see the adjustment they.
Speaker 2: Made for for Game three.
Speaker 3: And knowing the environment hosta environment bent on a road,
Speaker 3: having a young team, you know, I didn't know what
Speaker 3: to expect. But the game plan that they came in
Speaker 3: with was what I hope, keep Winn being the post more,
Speaker 3: keep him in the paint more, let him try to
Speaker 3: demand some of the demand of presence in the post.
Speaker 2: Because the younger guys got the wing, they got.
Speaker 3: That taken care of, they need some type of post
Speaker 3: presence on offense from him, and I think he gave.
Speaker 1: That last night.
Speaker 3: I think they gave them a different energy, a different
Speaker 3: look on offense that the Knicks wasn't used to.
Speaker 2: And it also they guarded the Knicks different.
Speaker 3: You know, they kept one man on the Brunton up
Speaker 3: top and basically went into his own to keep Win
Speaker 3: being the post. So the adjustments they made better adjustments
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. They may better adjust with game three,
Speaker 3: But I still think.
Speaker 2: That the Knicks beat themselves.
Speaker 3: I really think the Knicks beat themselves a lot of
Speaker 3: the turnovers brought. And you know, even though we don't agree,
Speaker 3: but I agree with what Stephen they said. Brunston played
Speaker 3: that game like he was playing to b MVP of
Speaker 3: the finals instead of playing to win the game. I
Speaker 3: agree with that because I know how he played, I
Speaker 3: watch him play. You know, that's his brothers that I
Speaker 3: know why he played with that team. He didn't play
Speaker 3: like that last night. But if the Spurs can make
Speaker 3: another adjustment, I think this is gonna be the hardest
Speaker 3: game of the season, winning game for New York. But
Speaker 3: the adjustment they made last night was a good job
Speaker 3: by the coach Staffands.
Speaker 1: Knicks have been off the slow starts all three games.
Speaker 1: San Antonio's come out the gate swinging and it has
Speaker 1: thrown the first punch in all three games. I think
Speaker 1: san Antonio's youth and inexperience is showing at times, and
Speaker 1: I think that's why they're down two to one instead
Speaker 1: of up to one right now. I think the X
Speaker 1: factor for the Knicks is Cat. I think when Cat
Speaker 1: plays like a dog, and I still think I don't
Speaker 1: think he took enough shots last night, but I think
Speaker 1: before last night he was averaging near like eighteen or
Speaker 1: nineteen and ten, nineteen and eleven. But I feel like
Speaker 1: Cat is so skilled when he doesn't settle. I don't
Speaker 1: mind him taking threes because I think he's one of
Speaker 1: the best big shooting bigs in the game being able
Speaker 1: to shoot, but he's been getting downhill physical on the
Speaker 1: glass when they're putting smaller people on him. He's taking
Speaker 1: advantage that. So it's hard to say that like a
Speaker 1: star is an X factor, but I think he's the key.
Speaker 1: And then I think on the other side, Dearon Fox.
Speaker 1: When Dearon Fox plays well, and he didn't necessarily play
Speaker 1: well last night, but he had the big shot down
Speaker 1: the stretch, and you can think about Jack he was
Speaker 1: clutch player that year in twenty twenty three for the Kings.
Speaker 1: He's the only guy on that team who's been who's
Speaker 1: led their team in scoring in their career. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a twenty five and six, twenty five and seven
Speaker 1: guy in Sacramento, you know in Sacramento. And I think
Speaker 1: when he plays well offensively, it really helps because you've
Speaker 1: got two dynamic young boys in Castle and Harper who
Speaker 1: are absolutely incredible. But Fox is that steady guy that
Speaker 1: doesn't turn the ball over. Those young boys have had
Speaker 1: some issues turning the ball over. Although the turnovers are
Speaker 1: down in the finals, I think Fox is the key,
Speaker 1: especially down the stretching that in Game two when obviously
Speaker 1: Wimby had the turnover, but I felt like Wemby's not
Speaker 1: yet to where he's the best player of the team.
Speaker 1: But he's not an ISO scorer yet. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like the defensive trunk up and he'd really have too much.
Speaker 1: But boxing, somebody can get a shot off on anybody.
Speaker 1: So I think Cat and Fox are the keys to
Speaker 1: their team's success. Winby had a tough game too. He
Speaker 1: was able to rebound last night. Jack the second youngest
Speaker 1: player to have what thirty five and five? Yeah him
Speaker 1: in Magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah you said something about Cat. I want to touch
Speaker 2: on all.
Speaker 3: I've seen something and I've seen I've seen it similar
Speaker 3: in the Detroit the Detroit series when Donald Mitchell didn't
Speaker 3: want to switch on k at the end of the game.
Speaker 2: He was calling for a double team.
Speaker 3: The other night the Big you know how, the Big interchange,
Speaker 3: he was trying to switch Wimby on Cat, and Womby
Speaker 3: didn't want to switch. And I've been seeing every time
Speaker 3: Cat get the ball, he attacking Winby, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So it might be something there might he
Speaker 3: might be mentally in Winby ahead. Bro, it looks it
Speaker 3: kind of looked like it to me.
Speaker 1: I just feel like Cat is so fucking talented, Bro.
Speaker 1: He's a good shooter, but when he's going down. He
Speaker 1: six ten, six eleven, and he's strong too, Like I
Speaker 1: really see him on I've seen it the most, like
Speaker 1: on the offensive glass and when they've at times you
Speaker 1: can hide, not hide, you can guard Cat with smaller players.
Speaker 1: He's taking advantage of that now. And to your point,
Speaker 1: he's in that attack mode where he doesn't fear Wimby.
Speaker 1: He's going downhill at Wimby, he's putting that shoulder on him,
Speaker 1: getting them off him. So Cat's been playing really well.
Speaker 1: I think he's the key to this team. Brunson obviously
Speaker 1: is their guy, clutch as can be, but hasn't really
Speaker 1: shot the ball well. This is up thirties from the
Speaker 1: field and thirty one percent from three. But those clutch
Speaker 1: baskets Jack is where he hangs his hat at. You
Speaker 1: know when it will come five minutes and under. He's
Speaker 1: going to start really doing a thing. But I think
Speaker 1: that three year last night was huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gil said when he came on the show a
Speaker 3: couple of months, but he's the closest thing in the
Speaker 3: clutch since Khobe.
Speaker 1: He's clutched. Yeah, he's probably is he the most clutch
Speaker 1: player in the league right now? I would have to
Speaker 1: say up there. Okay, yeah, but it's it's a close
Speaker 1: one too as far as being clutched. But but I like,
Speaker 1: I like New York's role players have played really well.
Speaker 1: You look at Shammitt, I think he's average double digits OG.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think OG with the number the money he
Speaker 1: makes as a role player, but he's been playing a
Speaker 1: lot better. Josh Hart hasn't shown up in the score
Speaker 1: last night, He's scored well, but he's always been doing
Speaker 1: other He was Game one, he was have a one
Speaker 1: for six from the field and was plus twenty two,
Speaker 1: you know, with fifteen rebounds and six assists and four steels.
Speaker 1: So he's done a lot of the stuff that doesn't
Speaker 1: show up in the statue. Bridges has to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more consistent for them, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: for them to be good. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: one thing that Wenby has shown that he's not a pump.
Speaker 1: And I think throughout the playoffs, teams have been taking
Speaker 1: shots of them in physical and I like that what
Speaker 1: New York's doing too, Like every time they cut, he cuts,
Speaker 1: they're putting that old school four on them how we
Speaker 1: used to do. I even teach our aau team, like
Speaker 1: nobody runs through the paint free and the Knicks are
Speaker 1: really packing that shit in. And every time he's hitting
Speaker 1: somewhere right here you see him son Brunson, which is crazy,
Speaker 1: but I like it though.
Speaker 3: Gotta be love with that though, because that started fuck
Speaker 3: up the whole series and get him started.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He can get kicked out
Speaker 2: of something like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, see it. He got to
Speaker 1: control his emotions, especially around it.
Speaker 3: Like now he's not from here, so you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like that stuff like that, it probably rubs
Speaker 3: him different than us, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: see Jalen, like anybody else, that wasn't a start. If
Speaker 3: Jaalen didn't understand the magnitude of the game and who
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 2: And what he means to his team, somebody.
Speaker 3: Would have got knocked his ass out, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, A regular guy. But this is somebody Jayleen
Speaker 3: understands the moment. But somebody like me or anybody else
Speaker 3: would have laid his big ass on.
Speaker 2: His back pockets. That right there, he got he can't,
Speaker 2: he can't.
Speaker 1: He got through it. He got to know when to
Speaker 1: do that man, that that worked out for him this time,
Speaker 1: but next time it might not work out for him,
Speaker 1: and he.
Speaker 2: Can hurt the team.
Speaker 1: And if you're saying that, you obviously see something. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because we didn't have our emotions out there on our
Speaker 1: sleeves the whole time. We thrown out for that though
Speaker 1: they're not even looking, they're not even trying to. They're
Speaker 1: going to read because of our background. But you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, No, but it it's he's I kind
Speaker 1: of see because not the teams are taking cheap shots,
Speaker 1: but teams are getting shots on him and he's getting
Speaker 1: fouled a lot, and they're not necessarily calling it. So
Speaker 1: to your point being able to understand that, where's there,
Speaker 1: Matt Barnes, though, where's the Steve? I've said they needed
Speaker 1: a Wimby protector? They got to throw somebody out there.
Speaker 1: Definitely need a Wimby protector. I think that's something free agency.
Speaker 1: They need to go out and find a three number three.
Speaker 2: What's the number three names?
Speaker 1: Six? Man of years.
Speaker 2: He's trying, he's trying, but.
Speaker 1: That's not his game, that's not in his DNA. He
Speaker 1: seems to be like a good guy. You need someone
Speaker 1: who's an asshole to naturally to do that Mbambo and Plumb.
Speaker 2: I think the OK series, Yeah, Heed.
Speaker 1: They don't fly. Yeah, they don't get a chance to play. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If they can get Yeah, it's not someone to they're not.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get a type of but like
Speaker 1: a Jalen McDaniel's style of player. He's not going to
Speaker 1: get someone as good as him. But if you have
Speaker 1: someone that was ready to swing on anybody but also
Speaker 1: a lockdown on Dan can knock down threes, I think
Speaker 1: that's what they need. As I mentioned earlier, no spur
Speaker 1: or no team has ever come back falling down too
Speaker 1: ho after losing the first two at home. Every game
Speaker 1: has been close. This could very easily be a flipped
Speaker 1: series the whole. The Road team has won every game
Speaker 1: in this series thus far. Jack Game four tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: to your point, biggest game of the series. What do
Speaker 1: you expect from San Antonio?
Speaker 3: He little some of the same thing. I think they
Speaker 3: understand that they take care of the ball on the road,
Speaker 3: they gotta get a great chance. I think I know
Speaker 3: what Mintioned, what Pop always taught, I know Midget teaching.
Speaker 1: Them same thing.
Speaker 3: We just want to be around in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: That's all we care about. We don't care about you know,
Speaker 3: none of that. In the fourth quarter. We want to
Speaker 3: be in and reach to win the game. And I
Speaker 3: think that's the that's they that's their attitude, Matt. Just
Speaker 3: like last game, they wanted to play around. They don't
Speaker 3: want to make no mistakes, keep winning being the paint.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying on both ends, and we'll
Speaker 3: go from now. And I think that worked for them.
Speaker 3: As the hostel is gonna be a host environment New York.
Speaker 3: You know, Jaylen Brown's gonna come back with it, big
Speaker 3: game cat gonna play better.
Speaker 2: He's only took four shots in the fourth quarter last.
Speaker 1: Game, so Hilly took ten shots total. He needs to
Speaker 1: be in that team to sixteen seven point I mean
Speaker 1: Jayleen Brest and shooting twenty seven shots a game and
Speaker 1: averaging twenty seven points.
Speaker 2: He's playing like he wanted.
Speaker 1: DNVP get back to playing like Jalen with the team
Speaker 1: when y'all won thirteen games in a row, and I
Speaker 1: probably and then I guarantee you it'll be a different series.
Speaker 1: Second year man Stefan Cassel monster game three late free
Speaker 1: throws a big three down the Stretch twenty three five
Speaker 1: and five, Eightril fourteen, from the field. Does he remind
Speaker 1: you of anybody pastor present?
Speaker 2: He reminds me of two people. He reminds me of
Speaker 2: Derek Rose.
Speaker 3: Offensively with them hot steps and all that, and defensively,
Speaker 3: he kind of reminds me of a He kind of
Speaker 3: reminds me of Baron.
Speaker 1: On defense, he picks up a lot.
Speaker 3: He's not afraid to guard the toughest guards. You know,
Speaker 3: he takes on the challenge every night. You do not
Speaker 3: know about Baron Davis, y'all to know that he took
Speaker 3: he wanted to guard the best guards and took the
Speaker 3: challenges every night with a hurt me and all that.
Speaker 3: And that's that's the similar because Baron the full court.
Speaker 3: You see Castle getting a lot of steels and stuff
Speaker 3: going from steels. So I just like the heat. I
Speaker 3: coached him in the overson game, and I didn't see
Speaker 3: this guy, you know what I'm saying. I knew he
Speaker 3: was gonna be a great college player, but I didn't
Speaker 3: see them player. He turned into like a something switch
Speaker 3: where he's super competitive and he.
Speaker 2: Taking on everybody. I love to see it. Bro I'm
Speaker 2: just happy to see him coming into his.
Speaker 1: Own competing on both ends. Shadow Dylan Harper, you know,
Speaker 1: a rookie averaging fifteen, not scared of any moment, gets
Speaker 1: down yeah, gets downhill with the best of them. I
Speaker 1: was talking with I had some people over watching the
Speaker 1: game last night, not to the extent and probably the
Speaker 1: scoring click because I remember what James was doing. I
Speaker 1: wasn't really paying attention to people's numbers because I was
Speaker 1: still playing at this time. But you remember those young
Speaker 1: OKC teams that had Westbrook and Harden, but down the
Speaker 1: stretch who was running the pick and rolls down the stretch.
Speaker 1: Harper is running the pick and rolls for San Antonio.
Speaker 1: He's a monster, has been three level score, tremendous bounce.
Speaker 1: I really like what he's doing, stepping up in the moment.
Speaker 1: So this is he get a consistent jumping man. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be dangerous. He's gonna be a problems, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get it consistent everything. But what I like about these finals, Jackson,
Speaker 1: is their competitive Like these games could have gone either
Speaker 1: way with a few players, you know, a few different
Speaker 1: plays here and there, so Game four should be no different. Obviously, Trump,
Speaker 1: you know there's a there's you know, the rumblings over
Speaker 1: Trump going to the game and security and secret Service
Speaker 1: and no watch parties and all that other ship. And
Speaker 1: he fell asleep during the game, which we knew that
Speaker 1: was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But I liked it.
Speaker 1: They didn't really make this. It was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a rumbling, but it wasn't They didn't make this
Speaker 1: the focus, like motherfuckers don't care that he's at the game.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I love that there was
Speaker 1: still good basketball played and it wasn't the focus that
Speaker 1: the cameras always trying to pan to him and figure
Speaker 1: out what he's doing. He was there. It is what
Speaker 1: it is. Adam Silver says some weird shit about why
Speaker 1: he was there and why he should be there, and
Speaker 1: and I saw the team, excuse me, the ESPN cast
Speaker 1: were kind of just like, Okay, they weren't really they
Speaker 1: weren't really rolling with it. But it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But again, I'm glad it wasn't the focus of the game.
Speaker 1: The basketball was the focus of the game. And oh,
Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to touch on, bro, did you
Speaker 1: see the Knicks fans after the game beating up people
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 3: Strategy like that was, this is my thing, bro, Like
Speaker 3: I understand, Like I guarantee you ain't gonna get none
Speaker 3: of that San Antonio, because because a lot of the
Speaker 3: people just drunk from having a good time at the
Speaker 3: game and they go home. But like when it gets
Speaker 3: to the point, like it says a lot not only
Speaker 3: about the fans, but about the people in New York
Speaker 3: because we know, like, like even it's a lot of
Speaker 3: people that's from New York that understand how good for
Speaker 3: basketball would be good if the Knicks won a championship.
Speaker 3: You got people that's not even from New York rooting
Speaker 3: for the Knicks just because of the long the long drought,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And even though people not
Speaker 3: from New York, a lot of people are Knicks fans.
Speaker 3: Like it's one of the it's like the Cowboys, it's
Speaker 3: one of the biggest organizations.
Speaker 1: So you have to like it somewhat, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Everybody's rooting for y'all, but when y'all do stuff.
Speaker 3: Like this, it's like that's the weakest shit you could do.
Speaker 2: Jump on people.
Speaker 3: Now, just imagine if they got a game in San
Speaker 3: Antonio and they do that to y'all fans.
Speaker 1: Some of y'all got celebrity fans. You see what I'm
Speaker 1: saying Like that that that that's real tacking on the Knicks. Behalf, bro,
Speaker 1: And it's not like I mean, not the organization, but
Speaker 1: the fan. Excuse me, it's not like this hasn't happened before.
Speaker 1: But it's just on camera now and it's just it's
Speaker 1: just out of pocket, pointless. You're attacking people just for
Speaker 1: wearing another jersey. And none of y'all getting paid by
Speaker 1: the Knicks, none of y'all. They're not gonna come bail
Speaker 1: y'all out if somebody died, they're not gonna put them
Speaker 1: in on y'all funeral. You're doing all this for nothing.
Speaker 1: Just enjoy the game, bro. That shit is tacking. I
Speaker 1: think Game four is gonna tell us who's gonna win
Speaker 1: the series. I agree, it would be crazy to San
Speaker 1: Antonio get two in New York and then now it's
Speaker 1: tied up headed back to San Antonio, so it's okay.
Speaker 1: See at home. I think role players have been key.
Speaker 1: They gotta be key, you know, and they always say,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you normally know what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get from your stars, what are your others or what
Speaker 1: are your role players gonna do? Knicks role players been
Speaker 1: playing well. San Antonio's role player has been playing well. Man,
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for game four. Do you got a
Speaker 1: prediction of what you make a prediction after Game four?
Speaker 3: I mean, I still got the Spurs winning the series,
Speaker 3: but uh, I think the Spurs win by five.
Speaker 1: Some NFL news cooking blockbuster trade between the Rams and
Speaker 1: the Browns, Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2: Man, I've seen that ship.
Speaker 1: Player of the year traded to the Rams for a
Speaker 1: young star Jared Versus. I hate his name in the future,
Speaker 1: first in the end, second and the third round pick.
Speaker 1: There's also rumblings that Aaron Donnell, one of the greatest
Speaker 1: defensive coming time, could be coming back to He's still
Speaker 1: working out every day.
Speaker 2: Dumbest y'all could have done Cleveland, y'all got one of
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, now, Garrett to the NFC West Stafford. You know,
Speaker 1: coming down to the final chapter, looks like the Rams
Speaker 1: are going all in. And like I said, you know
Speaker 1: there is rumblings.
Speaker 2: Step is still one of the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: In the league. No question, there is rumbling about Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald coming back, so that should be really interesting.
Speaker 2: Didn't win n P MVP. Who Matt went the last year?
Speaker 1: Yeah he did? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah the Rams now
Speaker 1: or never, this.
Speaker 2: Late in your career to win the MVP. That's how
Speaker 2: you know. You calding them off, bro, that's how you
Speaker 2: know is.
Speaker 1: The late twenties. He's probably really even for a minute,
Speaker 1: how does mouth here?
Speaker 2: Eight years?
Speaker 1: Thirty?
Speaker 2: How many years the league?
Speaker 1: Nine years?
Speaker 2: Nine years?
Speaker 1: We could talk about how they rob ze Fever rob
Speaker 1: Z in Mexico, Nah, the little point guard. But they
Speaker 1: let off Fever in scoring and was number one in
Speaker 1: the MVP voting and didn't even make the type of
Speaker 1: fever top five.
Speaker 3: But my vote when I hit the vote, it went
Speaker 3: to seventy five percent, so my vote went to save Proper.
Speaker 2: He should have won that.
Speaker 1: Fifty but they just done it. But I think it
Speaker 1: was a great experience. It's just the team is that
Speaker 1: it's crazy. You know. I was he we got the
Speaker 1: twins dual citizenship. Carter was hurt. Isaiah went out there
Speaker 1: and played. But they don't like Mexican Americans out there
Speaker 1: in Mexico. They don't like it's crazy. Like the team,
Speaker 1: the parents, the media, the refs like who's Mexican?
Speaker 2: What you meansky?
Speaker 1: Their mom is, Yeah, that's that's how they got dual citizenship.
Speaker 1: Yeah why not Glory's miskan. Yeah yeah that's how that's right,
Speaker 1: like real niggas. Yeah no, so yeah, that's how they
Speaker 1: ended up out there. But it was I think it
Speaker 1: was a great experence, you know, being able to play
Speaker 1: on that feeble level. I turned the day.
Speaker 2: I'm not joking. Call you paid nigga, you meskan for real.
Speaker 1: That's what people are like, why why are you out there?
Speaker 1: Why is your playing? Just like because of their mom, bro,
Speaker 1: their mom. It was a ready spirits, you know. It's
Speaker 1: not a lot of young talent. They're set out to Canada.
Speaker 1: Canada won the championship. They beat us A by two.
Speaker 1: But just a great experience. He was out there for
Speaker 1: a long time. But just a level of play in
Speaker 1: Mexico is a lot different than it is out here.
Speaker 1: But no, not even close, not even close. But great.
Speaker 3: Some caso, I mean that's the case, some avocado, fresh
Speaker 3: avocado and all that.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't get know that some caso dip that
Speaker 1: was fired with some terreso in it. Tacos Britos appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys ton in this week. Make sure you check
Speaker 1: out the Finals Game four tomorrow night, and we'll see
Speaker 1: you guys next week.