1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche says, 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: I love working for President Trump. It's the greatest honor 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: of a lifetime. And if President Trump chooses to nominate 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: somebody else and asks me to go do something else, 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: I'll say thank you very much. I love you, sir. 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. As 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: the world churns Andy Levy stops by to talk about 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: Maga's anger at Trump over the chaos of the Iran War. 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Democracy forward Sky Perriman about how 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: they are pushing back against the Trump agenda. 13 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: But first the news, Molly, another beautiful night of seeing 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: Democrats outperform insane numbers no one would expect against Republicans 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: in these special elections and in the primaries. 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's what's going on. Donald Trump is on 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: the ticket, and even when he's not on the ticket, 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: he's on the ticket, and so we're seeing these kind 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: of insane like democrats are winning. The great example is 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green give a per seat in Rome, Georgia 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: that is a seat she won. I don't know, is 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: it twenty eight points? I mean some crazy, crazy number. 23 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: Trump won Marjorie Taylor Green's district by thirty seven points. 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: So now here we are and it's you know, not 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: even two years later, and this is a seat now 26 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: that the Democrat, I mean the Democrat lost, but not 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: by thirty eight points, just by twelve points. So it's 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: a real if you think about that's like a twenty 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: point little more than twenty point shift. That's crazy. That's 30 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: what we're seeing around the country. That's what we're seeing everywhere, 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: and so that's what we're seeing in Wisconsin. So Wisconsin, 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: this is the state Supreme Court race. Remember we had 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: a lot of these people on this podcast because it 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: was a very tight Wisconsin Supreme Court. You know, it's 35 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: an elected judgeship, and we had been back and forth 36 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: on this and Democrats were running. It was really tight. 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: There was going to be a majority, a Republican majority. 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Democrats flipped it, and now it's about to be a 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: Democratic majority. And this is a state, Wisconsin, that is 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: really one of the most sort of evenly split states. 41 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: And if you think about it, it's like the governor 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: is a guy Tony Ivers, who is just a sort 43 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: of really nondescript He's a Democrat, but you might not know, 44 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, he's a very sort of nondescript white guy 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: and he barely won. Realize, you know, this is a 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: really like if you're if the voters of Wisconsin are 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: saying this, then the voters of Texas and California and 48 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: this is the Canarian the coal mine. So this is 49 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: what we're seeing and we're going to see more of this, 50 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: and good because Donald Trump is a complete lunatic and 51 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: no one is running a check on it. 52 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, a thing that you really pointed 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: out well was how much in the midterms last time 54 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: to remind people that people said that like these three 55 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: point or four point spreads are not worth sinking our 56 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: money into, and people didn't donate to these candidates and 57 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: then they'd lose by a point because of all the 58 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: voter enthusiasm, and we could have not had Senator Ron 59 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: Johnson was something you pointed out that was really astute 60 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: if we had just not felt like the cook PVI 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: is what it was in the midterms and things like that, 62 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 3: and we got to see right now that there is huge, 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: huge possibilities to flip a lot of these seats. 64 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: So we really really got to go. 65 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: In huge and Mandela Barnes. Let me tell you about 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: Mandela Barnes, who was running a Wisconsin for that senate seed. 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I was told by even very smart white guys that 68 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: was too much to hope that Wisconsin would not elect 69 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: a black senator. FYI he lost by like one point. 70 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so small. 71 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: Run and on just borned money into that race. 72 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 4: Important money into junk polls. 73 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: Right exactly, And so you know, the Democrats abandoned Mandela Barns. 74 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: That would have been a really easy pickup. It's such 75 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: a good example of like why it's what Mandilipman says, 76 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: you have to run everywhere, and especially in a landscape 77 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: like this where Republicans are getting significant headwinds, and it 78 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: just is just a moment where Democrats need to run 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: at every seat because the thing is like we all 80 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: know there will be a time, and I know it 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: feels like it's not true. Okay, I'm gonna tell a 82 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: story here. So last night I went to a dinner 83 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: with people who are working on safeguarding democracy, and there's 84 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: lawyers and judges and all sorts of things. And the 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: most important thing is, first of all, the elections are 86 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: not run by the federal government. They are decentralized. So 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: everyone needs to stop thinking they're going to cancel the elections. 88 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: There is no there. They cannot do that. Okay, will 89 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump try to do a lot of who we undoubtedly, 90 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: but we all need to be sane and not panic 91 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: until it's time to panic, because if everyone is at 92 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: eleven right now, then when we really need to be 93 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: at eleven, we're going to miss it. And so what 94 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you is there are a lot 95 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: of people trying to keep your elections safe and secure. 96 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: There are a lot of lawyers and a lot of 97 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: democracy watchers, and a lot of people focused on making 98 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: sure that your vote is counted, that it is free 99 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: and fair. So we all have to do our part 100 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: by knowing that we're going to have free and fair 101 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: elections and just making sure that we show up and 102 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: we register voters and we do all of these important 103 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: democratic works. And I really there are some people who 104 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: are resistance heroes who are saying things like Trump's going 105 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: to cancel the election, and you need to tell those 106 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: people no, because it is voter suppression to six months 107 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: before the election believe that Donald Trump has a power 108 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: to unilaterally cancel the elections. 109 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we need people realizing we got to get out 110 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 3: on the streets and not fearing the miasma of that 111 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: there might be doom coming. These voices who are saying 112 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: that's got to really knock this off because conjecture right. 113 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: And also just remember the people who are saying that 114 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: are incentivized for you to be scared to get clicks. 115 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 4: Okay, Molly, that is very important. I really appreciate it. 116 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: So pap body is going to try to dodge talking 117 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: about Epstein in front of Congress. Congress is saying fuck off. 118 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: Nancy Mace Everyone's faith. 119 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: You may know her as a complete lunative. Again, we 120 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: have these moments in this podcast in America politics, at 121 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: this moment where a Nancy Mays or a Thomas Massey 122 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: or a Alex Jones, this is the case, maybe might 123 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: be saying the right things, might be saying things we 124 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: agree with, but we can still know that they are 125 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: complete lunatics. That said, Nancy Mays wrote conna subpoena bondi 126 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: or they wrote a letter to Bondi saying she still 127 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 1: has to testify. Todd Bland said, no, here's the deal. 128 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: And this goes back to what we were just saying 129 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: before about elections. All of this happens if people make 130 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: it happen. BONDI will testify if she's forced to testify, right, 131 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 1: like Christy Noam was the Homeland Security Secretary until she wasn't. 132 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: So everyone needs to push really hard and make sure 133 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: things happen the way they're supposed to and the way 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: they're legally supposed to. I mean, Rocanna has been really interesting. 135 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: It has been a really interesting voice in all of 136 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: this because what he's doing and again, and I think 137 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: the model is Robert Garcia, but what they're doing is 138 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: that they are just not being polite. They are just 139 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: pushing and pushing and pushing. I want to add something else. 140 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: We have eighty I think it's even more than members 141 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: of Congress that are now pro impeachment of Trump. Again, 142 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: now remember Democrats don't control the House, but we have 143 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: like about eighty Democrats who are now pro impeachment and 144 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: have signed on to an impeachment thing. And this is 145 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: AOC and Maxwell Frost and Robert Garcia and Sarah McBride 146 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: and Rashida Talib and Rocanna. So here I want to 147 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: talk about this because it's important. Nancy Pelosi is the 148 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: person driving this, or at least is the person getting 149 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: credit for driving it. So it's more than fifty House Democrats. 150 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: I think it's at sixty now Marquy Ron Wyden are 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: to senators who've also followed along with that. Why this 152 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: is smart. Nancy Pelosi is almost done serving in Congress, 153 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: so she's doing something here where this is good for 154 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: her because she then becomes a hero to the base, 155 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: doesn't need to run for reelection, doesn't have to make 156 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: deals with Republicans. Now, Norday leader Hakim can pretend he 157 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it. Maybe he didn't know anything 158 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: about it, but it's just a very smart way to 159 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: do it. Look, is Donald Trump going to get impeached? 160 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: Not until Democrats flipped the House. But yesterday was an 161 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: insane day. And if ever there were a moment that 162 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump should be impeached, that America really knew they 163 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: were being run by a mad king, it was yes 164 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: Andy Levy is the host of As the World churns 165 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: Andy Andy Well I have been saying this for a while, 166 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: but I think yesterday was or yesterday, whatever day it is, 167 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: it's we are recording this on Wednesday and Tuesday. Donald 168 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: Trump's threatened to base basically genocide, I mean, not really genocide, 169 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: just sort of level an entire entree because not entirely 170 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: clear why. And so he in the morning I went 171 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: to do Morning Joe, and we're there and like, looking 172 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: at this tweet, that's like, you know, I might just 173 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: just wipe this civilization from the face of the earth, 174 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: because I can thank you for your attention to this matter, 175 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump. What I didn't know is that I 176 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: actually think that that was a day. It was like 177 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: the day that Donald Trump said, like we put the 178 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: light inside the body and it kills the COVID. Remember that, 179 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: Like it was like one of those days where everyone went, oh, right, 180 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: he's nuts. 181 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I thought, that's right. 182 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 6: I mean, for the for the people who somehow, you know, 183 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 6: I don't know, ten years into this shit, haven't remembered 184 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 6: that or figured it out yet. But you know, you said, 185 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 6: you're you aren't really sure why he said that. I 186 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 6: think I'm pretty sure why he said that. 187 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 5: Because we're losing. 188 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and that's what you do when you're losing, 189 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 6: particularly if you're losing and you have nuclear weapons, you. 190 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 5: Say stuff like that if you're a psychopath. On top 191 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 5: of all that. 192 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: And what happened almost immediately was we saw so Tucker 193 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: as soon as Donald Trump launched this thing. And again, 194 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: no one has to hand it to Tucker, right, No 195 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: one has to hand it to Techer. You knew him 196 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: and his anti war stuff is very wrapped up in 197 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: anti Semitism, anti Israel, anti this, anti that. So no 198 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: one is handing it to Tucker Callson. But he has 199 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: been staunchly anti Iran Moore, maybe because he's anti war, 200 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: maybe because he's anti Semitic, maybe both. Yesterday we saw 201 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: Alex Jones driving in his car, I don't know why 202 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: he couldn't pull over, saying we need to do the 203 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: twenty fifth Amendment, which of course means getting rid of 204 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: the president. These are two of the people who made 205 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: him the nominee in twenty sixteen. Right, it is hard 206 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: to think of two people who are more responsible for 207 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump winning the nomination than Alex Jones. Remember, Donald 208 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: Trump went on Alex's Jones's show when he was the 209 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: very fringiest French and Tucker Carlson. Remember Donald Trump went 210 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: on Tucker Carlson Show when he was the very most 211 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: the most sort of mainstreamy MAGA you know Fox News host. 212 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the reason Alex Jones couldn't pull over 213 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 6: is he was afraid his car was going to get 214 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 6: repossessed if they caught up to him. But yes, I 215 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 6: know a lot of the MAGA people who are public 216 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 6: facing are not happy with the Iran war, you. 217 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 5: Know, the cheerleaders that Fox Aside. 218 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 6: My only feeling is I don't know if that translates 219 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 6: to the rank and file MAGA. The polling I've seen 220 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 6: shows that they're okay with the Iran war, and because 221 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 6: they're not as much ideological as they are just you know, 222 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 6: in a cult, in a cult, so if Trump does it, 223 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 6: it must be right. But okay, putting that aside, yeah, 224 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 6: I mean, we are definitely seeing. 225 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 5: A huge split. 226 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 6: Is I guess would be putting it maybe kindly, but 227 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 6: I think accurately. 228 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: And yesterday Tuesday, there was this one voice that was 229 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: still defending him or had I mean, besides Ben Shapiro, 230 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: who has gotten creamed partially probably because of anti Semitism, 231 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: but also because he's staunchly pro Israel and thus staunchly 232 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: pro this war, and his numbers are just going down. 233 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: He's hemorrhaging viewers. MAGA turns out, Maga does not have 234 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: a huge appetite for whatever that is. But one of 235 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: his last defenders was Megan Kelly, and Jesse is going 236 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: to play us a clip of where Megan Kelly is 237 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: right now. 238 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 7: Now. 239 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 8: As you can imagine, that post did not go overwell 240 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 8: with the Iraniance or with many Americans. I mean, I 241 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 8: don't know about you, but I am sick of this shit. 242 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 8: I'm just I'm sick of it. 243 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 7: Can't he just. 244 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 9: Behave like a normal human? I mean, honestly like the 245 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 9: President three and eight. Yes, shut up, fucking shut up 246 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 9: about that shit. You don't threaten to wipe out an 247 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 9: entire civilization. We're talking about civilians, just casually in a 248 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 9: social media post go Andy as someone who knows her. 249 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, just the idea. 250 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 6: This isn't even like, you know, the sort of famous. 251 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 6: I can't believe the leopard date my face, the leopard 252 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 6: ate her face like she's she was the original, you know, 253 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 6: blood coming out of her or wherever, and she's sitting 254 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 6: there going, why is why can't he not be like this? 255 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 6: You know, eleven years later, we're twelve whatever, however many 256 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 6: years ago that was. I mean, that's just insane. But 257 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 6: I will say this, Megan Kelly does have her finger 258 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 6: on the pulse of the assholes. And you know, if 259 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 6: she's out there saying this, because look, I don't believe 260 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 6: that Megan Kelly really has a set of core beliefs 261 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 6: at this point. So if she's out there saying this stuff, 262 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 6: she sees which way the winds are blowing, and she's 263 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 6: very good at that. You know you can't deny that. 264 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 6: So you know, again, I think the magabase is fine 265 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 6: with Iran. The Magabase is never gonna not be fine 266 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 6: with Trump. It's the people who aren't the Magabase but 267 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 6: who voted for Trump. Those are the ones you gotta 268 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 6: get see. 269 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: And I disagree, okay, And I'm gonna push back. And 270 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: now I could be wrong, wrong, Molly. I know you're 271 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: gonna be shocked to hear this, but I had been 272 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: wrong before. So remember, part of what happened with Trump 273 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty was that he lost He lost the Indies, right, 274 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: the normal people, the people who are like I don't 275 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: like the tweets, I don't like the racism, but I 276 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: really want a tax ted. So I'm going to whle 277 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: my nose at both him. This is not that, this 278 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: is the pure Maga. This is the royers. This is 279 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: the young men who like racism. And here's my take, Okay, 280 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: I think that Tucker and Alex Jones and Megan Kelly 281 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: are not reflecting their own views. They're reflecting the views 282 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: of their people. They're on the Internet seeing their people, 283 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: and their people are saying like, we don't We're not 284 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: into this, and so this about face, it's a real 285 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: split in the core of maga that you really have 286 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: because remember, like if you think about it, if you 287 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: look at Ben Shapiro and you see that he is 288 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: just hemorrhaging viewers, listeners, whatever it is he has. So 289 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: part of that can could be anti Semitism for sure, 290 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: because he's very but some of that has to be 291 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: anti war stuff, right because he has been a just 292 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: a continual voice for the war, and so these people 293 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 1: are learning that lesson. I mean, I'm reminded of like 294 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: when we saw I mean, we've seen phenomenons like this 295 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: where YouTubers are sort of on you know, their popularity 296 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: hinges on what they go along with or don't. I 297 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: think that this is I think this may actually really 298 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: be a canary in the coolen. 299 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 5: A couple of things. One, it's not that I completely 300 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 5: disagree with you. 301 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 6: I was saying, more like, just from an electoral perspective, right, 302 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 6: the pure MAGA people you know, are probably voting for 303 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 6: jd Vance or whoever in twenty eight But it's the 304 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 6: not pure MAGA people who are looking around now and saying, 305 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 6: you know, it's the ones who, for instance, keep saying, 306 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 6: this is not what I voted for, even though it's 307 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 6: what they voted for. 308 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Right right. 309 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 6: Fun you know, you go get a poll, do you 310 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 6: oppose or support the war with Iran? Maga Republicans support 311 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 6: it seventy seven percent to. 312 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: Forteen right true. Okay, So that's where. 313 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 6: I would push back on. I'm saying that it's like, 314 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 6: you know, MAGA as a block is not happy. They 315 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 6: may not be happy with how it's being prosecuted, but 316 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 6: they're not opposed to the war because Donald Trump is 317 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 6: doing it and you know, in Trump we trust. So 318 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 6: that's my only that that that's my pushback on that there. Yeah, 319 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 6: but I agree with you again the forward facing MAGA 320 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 6: people who are influential, and and the fact that seventy 321 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 6: seven percent number doesn't have to be there forever. You know, 322 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 6: if if the Megan Kelly's and the Tuckers and the 323 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 6: Alex Joneses and the you know, I don't think Tim 324 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 6: Poole is on that list. 325 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: Is timpole still. 326 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 5: I think I think he's basically going around saying we won. 327 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 3: What I would say is he's hitely skeptical occasionally, but 328 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: mostly in on mister Trump's plague three D trust exactly. 329 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 3: We don't want my interjection and so feel free to 330 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: do your analysis. 331 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Why can't we have your interjection? And are you not 332 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: supposed to exist? I mean people know you. 333 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 5: Exist, Jesse as the Wizard of Oz. They're not happy 334 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 5: about it, but they know, no, I. 335 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 1: Mean, they know they know the guy that's right every time. 336 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: But yes, I do think it's an impossible situation for 337 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: them because they have to you know, they got where 338 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: they are defending the indefensible right, but now the indefensible 339 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: doesn't track with America first right. 340 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 6: I do think again, not to hand it to him 341 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 6: in the slightest bit. I do think Tucker Carson is 342 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 6: legitimately quote unquote anti war, and I do think that 343 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 6: he would be if even if we were winning this war, 344 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 6: I think he would be opposed to it. I don't 345 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 6: feel that way about Megan Kelly or or some of 346 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 6: the other people that you've mentioned. 347 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 5: By the way, is this the fastests we've ever lost 348 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 5: a war in our history? 349 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: Well, it was always this war was always like we're 350 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: going to war and you said why and they said 351 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: because nukes. Well do they have nukes? No? Could Could 352 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: they have nukes? Maybe in two weeks? Maybe not, Maybe 353 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: they have them, maybe they're a week away. I mean, like, 354 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: you know, there was like literally no effort to sell 355 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: the war, even w Right, even Wa even his dad, 356 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: Like there was a sort of like it was, you 357 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: know what, there's a threat, there's this you know. I 358 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: mean I remember after nine to eleven when they were like, 359 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: we're going to go into Afghanistan, and I was like, Afghanistan, 360 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: but none of the hijackers come from Afghanistan. Oh, you 361 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: can't go into Saudi Arabias, so we're gonna go. 362 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 5: Into Afghanistan, right, But it didn't. 363 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: Make any sense. But at least there was you know, 364 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: it was nine to eleven. We were all super traumatized, 365 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, at least right exactly, we at least they 366 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: were trying to make the But it was I mean, 367 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: it still was a moment where I was like, but Afghanistan, 368 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: why Afghanist? Like it didn't make any sense. 369 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 6: But but yeah, like I didn't even hear about yellow 370 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 6: Cake this time. 371 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: Around, all right, yellow Cake? Yeah, well there was definitely 372 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: last time that was it felt like a real threat. 373 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: This just feels like he's trying to descrive from the 374 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Epstein Files. And it really does feel at the end 375 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: of the day, like, you know, people say that's such 376 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: a that's such a like that. The dad says sort 377 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: of not, you know, it's a it's a simplistic take 378 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: on Donald Trump, but it may actually be true. 379 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 5: I'm sort of it in the simplistic take group. 380 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, it might be part of it. I'm not saying 381 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 6: it's not part of it. I don't think it's the 382 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 6: whole reason. I don't think he's sitting there going I 383 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 6: got to do something to distract from the Epstein files. 384 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: I'm going to bomb you around. 385 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 6: It's something he wanted to do, and and to me, 386 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 6: he did it because he was convinced that there would 387 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 6: be financial gain from it. Yeah, and you know, and 388 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 6: it's turning out to be, of course, exactly the opposite. 389 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 6: Although he is claiming that we are somehow going to 390 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 6: make money off tolls. 391 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 5: In the Strait of Hormuz. 392 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 6: I really don't think that's gonna happen. 393 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: But you know, my favorite part of the whole thing 394 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: is that he's like, straights were clear, right, we went 395 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: to war, straits are not clear. Donald Trump's like, we're 396 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: going to make money on this. 397 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 398 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, look, it's you know, you can sit 399 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 6: there and try to parse his language and try to 400 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 6: analyze everything he says, and then you just at a 401 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 6: certain point you have to say, why am I doing this? 402 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 6: Why am I pretending that he actually means something intelligent, 403 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 6: you know, and and and rational? 404 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, because he doesn't. 405 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 6: And and like you said before, it's like it's you know, 406 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 6: to stop with the three dimensional chess bullshit. I mean, 407 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 6: I think a lot of people have stopped with that 408 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 6: at this point, but there are still some people out 409 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 6: there who should know better, who keep saying that he's 410 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 6: doing this. Because it's like, no, he's just he's just 411 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 6: not right in the head. And on top of which 412 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 6: he's you know, sundowning. So you put that together and 413 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 6: you end up with this. 414 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: It is interesting though to you know, like oil is 415 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: so expensive and now he's you know, he clearly tacoed. 416 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: But I mean, we shouldn't even say tacoed because like 417 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: it was another civilization that he threatened to annihilight for 418 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: seemingly no reason. So is it a taco or is 419 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: it just like a came to your senses. But oil 420 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: and gas really expensive, like really really expensive. And you 421 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: know there's this Goldman Sax prophecy of oil at two 422 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a barrel, like there is not this could 423 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: keep going. And while this is happening, Donald Trump canceling 424 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: wind solar clean energy that could be quite useful at 425 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: this moment. 426 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, again, but it will make money for his you know, 427 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 6: buddies in the oil industry and stuff like that. And 428 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 6: again I do think saying distraction from the Epstein files again, 429 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 6: there's there's some truth to that, but not not as 430 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 6: a whole. As a whole, it's how can I help 431 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 6: me and my buddies get richer? 432 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 4: Right? 433 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, I really think beyond everything else. That is the 434 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 6: sort of motivation, you know, whatever motivation he has left 435 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 6: in his little right when he gets up in the 436 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 6: morning is kleptocratic. It's how can I enrich myself? How 437 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 6: can I enrich you know, my friends? And that's what, 438 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 6: in my opinion, ultimately, this was all about that because 439 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 6: for some reason, again not a rational or logical reason, 440 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 6: he thought that what he's doing now would make him richer, 441 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 6: would make Jared richer, and et cetera. 442 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. And let me tell you 443 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: was someday we're going to find out about all the 444 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: shit that's going on behind the scenes that's so illegal 445 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: and sketchy. 446 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean we already know enough to know 447 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 6: that pretty much every single person in this administration in 448 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 6: a in a just insane world would not be walking 449 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 6: around free in the future. And like you said, that's 450 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 6: just the stuff we know, the daily shit that the 451 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 6: stuff that you know doesn't reach the level of billions 452 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 6: of dollars of graft and corruption, the stuff that's only 453 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 6: like you know, a half million a year, a couple 454 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 6: of million there that we don't I mean, that's got 455 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 6: to be just off the charts. 456 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean a fair number of people will 457 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: go to jail events. Yeah, eventually, Andy Levy. 458 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 5: Molly John Fast, will you come back? 459 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: Sky Perriman is the founder of Democracy Forward. Welcome, Welcome, Sky, 460 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: so good to be here. Let's talk about where we 461 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: are right now with the midterms. We know that voting 462 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: is decentralized in this country, so we know that Donald 463 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: Trump has no power over the midterms. But I'd love 464 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: you to talk us through why we're going to have safe, 465 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: free and fair midterms. 466 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 10: We're going to have safe, free and fair midterms because 467 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 10: lawyers are going to do everything they can in court 468 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 10: to prevent any type of subversion of voting or the 469 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 10: midterm elections. And because people in this country like the 470 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 10: fact that we live in a democracy, or we are 471 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 10: supposed to be living in a democracy, and that people 472 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 10: in this country take the right to vote very seriously. 473 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 10: People are energized. People of all political ideologies are energized. 474 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 10: They're upset about what they're seeing happen in their communities. 475 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 10: And people are going to show up, and people are 476 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 10: going to show up in numbers, and they're going the 477 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 10: results that the American people is going to show just 478 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 10: like what you saw in Minneapolis, you are going to 479 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 10: see people show up and refuse to allow this government 480 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 10: to take away something that is so sacred to all 481 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 10: of us, which is our right to vote in our 482 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 10: community and our humanity with each other. Now, that sounds good, 483 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 10: and that's what we're going to do, but there's going 484 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 10: to be a lot of work to make that happen. 485 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 10: And I don't want to minimize the work that we 486 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 10: have to do now all the way through the midterms, 487 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 10: beyond the midterms, to make sure these votes are counted 488 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 10: and the election certified and a new Congress is fully 489 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 10: able to sit and to come into being. 490 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 7: That's going to be a lot of work. 491 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 10: I'm confident that the American people are up to the task, 492 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 10: and I'm confident that the lawyers are up to the task. 493 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: What does that run ups look like? 494 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 10: Well, right now people are asking is Donald Trump trying 495 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 10: to will he try to undermine the midterms? And the 496 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 10: answer is he is already doing that. So we know 497 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 10: a few things. We know that the Department of Justice 498 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 10: has been trying to get voter roll data and voter 499 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 10: roles from states, that every single court that has looked 500 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 10: at these issues has that there is no basis for 501 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 10: the Department of Justice to be demanding these voter rules. 502 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 10: So that's playing out in the courts, and the courts 503 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 10: are doing the right thing and the lawyers are doing 504 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 10: the right thing by bringing those cases. In one of 505 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 10: our cases at Democracy Forward, the government has had to 506 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 10: reveal in public dockets it has had to admit that 507 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 10: DOSE Team members last year had access to sensitive social 508 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 10: security data and that a DOSE Team members signed a 509 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 10: voter data agreement with a third party organization that has 510 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 10: been involved in questioning state election results. 511 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 7: So that was happening as early it's last year. 512 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Is that cyber Ninjas. 513 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 10: The government has not yet said what group it is, 514 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 10: but we are demanding discovery. We file a separate lawsuit 515 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 10: to demand more information. We're investigating this through all the 516 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 10: ways we can, and we're going to get to the 517 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 10: bottom of it, and you'll see throughout the summer you're 518 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 10: going to see litigation and investigatory demands and a range 519 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 10: of the tools that we have and that other groups 520 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 10: have to really shed light on what's happening and to 521 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 10: start challenging it. 522 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 4: Now. 523 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 10: We don't have to wait until the midterms when we 524 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 10: know many of these things are ongoing, so it's going 525 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 10: to look like that, and then you're going to see 526 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 10: the president do things in his fear mongering way. This 527 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 10: week he threatened that he was going to use nuclear weapons. 528 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 10: You're going to see him continue to try to distract people. 529 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 10: You're going to see him continue to potentially try to 530 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 10: deploy the National Guard to polling places. That's against the law, 531 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 10: it would be blocked, but you may see that effort 532 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 10: and then you'll see ICE. This is why the administration 533 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 10: wants so much funding for ICE. They want to be 534 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 10: able to deploy ICE and mask agents around the country 535 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 10: to scare people, and lawyers will have to go to 536 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 10: court to stop that. But our communities also will step forward, 537 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 10: just like we saw in Minneapolis. Communities will step forward 538 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 10: and be there and protect each other, engage in that 539 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 10: mutual aid everything that we're seeing. 540 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 7: This the best of this country come out in this crisis. 541 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: So the place that this administration has really been losing 542 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: is the court. Besides in like, it's just not popular 543 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: what's doing, but they've really been losing the court. I 544 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: would love you to explain to U US a little 545 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: bit about what losing in the courts is looking like, 546 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, sort of what cases are losing and what 547 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: delian state looks like there. 548 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, it's really unbelievable, Mollie. You know, it's 549 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 10: been about we've been here and doing We've been up this, 550 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 10: you know, a year and a few months now you've 551 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 10: seen over seven hundred federal court litigations filed. And that 552 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 10: does not include all the immigration detention cases or all 553 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 10: the civil service cases. 554 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 7: It is the largest. 555 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 10: Effort because of how the administration is operating that we've 556 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 10: seen legally, and you're seeing the administration lose seventy to 557 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 10: eighty percent of the time. Even with the way they 558 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 10: try to go to the Supreme Court, they're still losing 559 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 10: so much of the time, including before judges the President 560 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 10: Trump himself appointed. 561 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 7: So the texture of what this looks like now. 562 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 10: Has taken on a new life just in the last 563 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 10: few months where DOJ can't keep up with the amount 564 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 10: of unlawful actions of the President's taking in the amount 565 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 10: of lawsuits that are being filed, and so you're seeing 566 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 10: DJ come into court and sometimes not even answer the complaints, 567 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 10: and judges have to issue orders because DOJ doesn't even 568 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 10: have a response does have a defense, doesn't have a 569 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 10: response to what the president's doing. You're seeing the Department 570 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 10: of Justice abandon appeals on big. 571 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 7: Cases that we won. 572 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 10: So we won a big case before I judge the 573 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 10: President Trump him self appointed against the administration in Stephen 574 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 10: Miller's effort in the Department of Education to stamp out 575 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 10: racial justice and racial studies. DEI was a dear colleague letter. 576 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 10: It was issued last year. We challenged it, won a 577 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 10: court order. They said they were going to appeal it, 578 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 10: took an aggressive stance. They didn't appeal it. They walked 579 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 10: back their appeal, meaning that we've been able to preserve 580 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 10: funding for K through twelve and higher ed on these 581 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 10: critical issues. So you see that happening across the board. 582 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 10: At first, we thought that would only happen in cases 583 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 10: that maybe the White House didn't really care that much about. 584 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 7: But we're seeing it happen on some of these big priorities. 585 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 10: And so you're seeing that, and then you see the 586 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 10: administration lose because of the words that the President and 587 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 10: other administration officials use. So they make their case weaker 588 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 10: because we'll go sue and say you're retaliating against you know, 589 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 10: the nation's pediatricians. 590 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 7: You don't like what they have to. 591 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 10: Say about vaccines or about child health, you're retaliating against them. 592 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 10: And before the Department of Justice can really make their defense, 593 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 10: RFK Junior goes out on Twitter or True Social or 594 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 10: x or whatever and admits he's retaliating against them. 595 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 7: And so we see that all the time. 596 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 10: We always say, let them talk and let them tweet, 597 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 10: because we'll probably win in those instances. 598 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 7: So that's looking good now. 599 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 10: I'm not trying to minimize the harm that so many 600 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 10: people in the country are facing, that communities are facing. 601 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 10: Many communities have been harmed by the Supreme Court shadow docket, 602 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 10: which has put a pause on some of the court 603 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 10: orders that we've won in a way that's really been harmful. 604 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 10: But by and large, the courts are protecting the American 605 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 10: people in pretty extraordinary ways. 606 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: And Bondie is out to say more. 607 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 10: I mean, look, I think it's all the things that 608 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 10: have been said. I mean, she obviously has a legacy 609 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 10: of the Department of Justice that will be marked by 610 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 10: everything from incompetence to cruelty to actually taking action against 611 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 10: the very profession that the Department of Justice represents. Remember, 612 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 10: they went after an unprecedented way as lawyers and law 613 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 10: firms and have threatened judges. But I'll also say that 614 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 10: it doesn't matter you know who the attorney general is. 615 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 10: It's not the Pambondi. 616 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 7: We heard that. 617 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 10: You know, the President said, well, he was upset that 618 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 10: Pambondy wasn't able to prosecute his enemies as aggressively as he. 619 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 7: Had wanted to see. 620 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 10: That's not going to happen regardless of who is the 621 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 10: attorney general, because so much of what the administration has 622 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 10: done is baseless and doesn't have a real legal basis. 623 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 10: And so I do think that the administration is playing 624 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 10: damage control right now. 625 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 7: They're trying to distract people. 626 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 10: They're having a real bad series of weeks because the 627 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 10: American people aren't having it. You had eight million people 628 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 10: in the streets at no kings this rash of legal 629 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 10: wins that we're able to achieve right now because they're 630 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 10: breaking down in the courts. But I also think that 631 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 10: like the administration has a hard road ahead of it, 632 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 10: and it doesn't have to do with who specifically the 633 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 10: Attorney General is. It has to do with what they're 634 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 10: trying to do with the Department of Justice, So we're 635 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 10: watching it very carefully. Todd Blanche of course has been 636 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 10: hand in hand with Bondi, so that's not a real 637 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 10: market change and how the Department's going to operate. 638 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 7: And of course many people. 639 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 10: Thought that this departure was because of the oversight that 640 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 10: was happening with the Epstein files, and we see that 641 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 10: today as we're recording this, the Department of Justice has 642 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 10: said that Pan Bondi isn't going to show up to 643 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 10: Congress as she's required to do. So I think that 644 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 10: there will be more to see along those lines in 645 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 10: the coming days. 646 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: What is the rationale for that that she doesn't want 647 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: it or is there some like legal. 648 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 10: Yeah, no, there's not a legal basis for it. They 649 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 10: will want people to think, well, oh, now that she's 650 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 10: not Attorney general, she doesn't have to come to Congress. Well, 651 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 10: Congress makes a lot of people will come to Congress 652 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 10: and aren't attorney general, And especially when the questions that 653 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 10: they have is about what happened in an official position, 654 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 10: it's absolutely the case that people need to show up 655 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 10: and answer questions. So I believe you'll see a lot 656 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 10: of efforts to distract and to confuse people around this, 657 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 10: but she absolutely, you know, will need to appear, and 658 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 10: it'll be important that our lawmakers, you know, make her 659 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 10: and continue to push this issue. 660 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: We've seen Nancy Mays and Roe Conna say that they 661 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: will hold her in contempt of Congress if she does 662 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: not testify. I know this from my grandfather. You've naturally 663 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: be jailed for contempt of Congress. I mean, I know 664 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: that Trump won't probably allow it, but or he'll try 665 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,959 Speaker 1: to do something crazy about it, but theoretically, at least 666 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: that could happen. 667 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, And I mean this is where you have 668 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 10: to sort of look at what we've seen from this administration. 669 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 10: So we have not yet seen the administration operate with 670 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 10: like a level of courage or consistency. So typically what 671 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 10: happens is they say, well, we're not going to do this, 672 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 10: and you say, well, the law makes you do it, 673 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 10: and we're going to enforce the law. And we've largely 674 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 10: seen them at that point, they come up with some 675 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 10: rhyme or reason, they go out and say a bunch 676 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 10: of confusing things, but they actually do show up and comply. Now, 677 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 10: I don't believe that they're lawful people. I think their 678 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 10: lawless people. But I think that they are a people 679 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 10: in an administration that is not impervious to public pressure, 680 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 10: and so it'll be interesting to see how all of 681 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 10: this plays out. 682 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 7: But you absolutely can't. 683 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 10: There are very direct penalties for being in contempt of Congress. 684 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 10: It's not something that anyone would recommend you had. Steve Bannon, 685 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 10: I think, served time because of his refusal to cooperate 686 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 10: with the process. And we'll have to see what happens. 687 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 10: We'll have to see what happens there. But one thing 688 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 10: that we've wanted people to like understand here is that 689 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 10: what we've seen is that when people push back, whether 690 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 10: that's in the courts, whether it's Congress pushing back, whether 691 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 10: it's people you know, showing up and using their voice 692 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 10: and making their phone calls and getting in the streets, 693 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 10: the administration often doesn't really know what to do and 694 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 10: it kind of wobbles around. I mean, that's how we've 695 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 10: been able to force them to comply with court orders. 696 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 10: They'll go out and say we're not going to comply 697 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 10: with the court order. They try to not comply with 698 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 10: the court order. But then when you pull them back 699 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 10: in and get them in the room under oath, they 700 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 10: haven't yet, just really wanted to. You know, they make 701 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 10: up a bunch of arguments. It's about why they think 702 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 10: they're complying. I mean, they haven't yet. We haven't seen 703 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 10: them take that next step. We sure might by the 704 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 10: time this administration's over. I'm not minimizing how lawless they are, 705 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 10: but some of this is really about the will of 706 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 10: the people, and people and their lawmakers and the lawyers 707 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 10: and everyone having to just keep putting them through their 708 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 10: paces and forcing them to operate within our system of laws. 709 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: So you're doing a lot of cases, and you're winning 710 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, But what cases do you think 711 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: are not happening that you think should be happening, or 712 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: what is happening that you feel is so important. 713 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 10: So I think a lot of the cases that are 714 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 10: happening are really important. And the challenge for us as lawyers, 715 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 10: and the challenge for people that are able to support 716 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 10: legal work and organizations like Democracy Forward or the ACLU 717 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 10: or State AGS is we've got to keep them going 718 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 10: because you know, the private bar and I was a 719 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 10: member of private law firms for many years, but they're 720 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 10: not stepping up to the plate right now and doing 721 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 10: this work and so the fact that you have the 722 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 10: largest and most successful legal effort at this point and 723 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 10: mistration's history. This is being driven by empowered by people, 724 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 10: and we've got to keep moving. So I think the 725 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 10: cases we're doing are super important ones that I like 726 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 10: to highlight. The administration's immigration agenda. I really don't like 727 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 10: to call it an immigration agenda. It's really an autocratic 728 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 10: power grab that they try to use immigration as the excuse. 729 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 10: But it has gone very poorly for them overall. I mean, 730 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 10: we're winning. There was a big headline in the La 731 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 10: Times over the weekend about just how the rash of 732 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 10: legal losses the administration has experienced, the retaliation cases, the 733 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 10: presidents saying you can't say the I'm going to put 734 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 10: them on a list, and those are all the administrations 735 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 10: losing those. We want people to understand that so they 736 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 10: don't feel as afraid. And then the funding case is 737 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 10: trying to weaponize the federal government against you know, and 738 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 10: everything from snap beneficiaries to you know, homeless housing projects. 739 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 10: You know, we've been able to largely win a lot 740 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 10: of those cases. I think cases that aren't happening, and 741 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 10: it's not for a lack of trying it's for some 742 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 10: of the weaknesses in our laws are the administration is 743 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 10: deeply corrupt, and that government corrupt at this point, and 744 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 10: the president's family is seeking to profit off of the presidency, 745 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 10: and all of these things that have been regardless of 746 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 10: you know, both political parties that have been sort of 747 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 10: held sacred in terms of this public service. This administration 748 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 10: doesn't get that, and they're operating with just levels and 749 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 10: levels of corruption. We are going to bring cases, and 750 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 10: we have brought cases to get at that. We were 751 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 10: going to start looking at private actors that are out 752 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 10: in the world benefiting from the president's corruption to see 753 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 10: what levels of accountability we can see there. But when 754 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 10: there is the next governing moment, it is going to 755 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 10: be important for the United States to put in place 756 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 10: more protections against broad scale government corruption. Our nation was 757 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 10: set up for the government to actually not want corruption 758 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 10: and to want to root out corruption. And this administration 759 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 10: has taken away all those levers, the Inspectors General, the 760 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 10: Office of Special Counsel. They've weakened all these levers and 761 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 10: they've left a big gaping hole where a. 762 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 7: Lot of corrupt activity can happen. Now. I believe a 763 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 7: lot of that back to is criminal. 764 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,240 Speaker 10: I think a lot of that activity can be litigated 765 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 10: in the civil system, but it is not easy, and 766 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 10: we need to we need to be able to build 767 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 10: and bring more of those. 768 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 7: You'll see us do that in the days ahead. 769 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 10: But we'll also need a nation that, after we get 770 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 10: through this moment, says enough is enough, We're never going 771 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 10: to let this happen again. That puts in place stronger 772 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 10: guardrails there. Yeah, very very true. Thank you, thank you, 773 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 10: thank you, Sky, thanks. 774 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 7: For having me. 775 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: No moment full Jesse Cannon Smiley. 776 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 3: A lot of us are finding this pretty disturbing. The 777 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 3: DOJ is really up at the ANTEA now showing they're 778 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 3: actually seriously going to go after Cassidy Hutchinson for her 779 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 3: testimony during the January sixth trials. 780 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, they are going to go after everyone, right, 781 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: They're going to go after Cassidy Hutchinson. They went after 782 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg, They've gone after They are just going to 783 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: keep going after people. But here's the good news. It 784 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: doesn't work because you cannot get juries to indict these 785 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: people because this is not We're not a Banana Republic yet, 786 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: and this is sort of the problem. Trump ism keeps 787 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: running into is that like we have norms, we have 788 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 1: a system which keeps our crazy president in check. I 789 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: mean as much as anything. Though it doesn't totally work, 790 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: but they're going to go after her. I know, you 791 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: think Casey Hutchinson is a really great example because she's young, 792 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: she doesn't really have money. They're really targeting her in 793 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: the hopes of, you know, scaring her and getting her 794 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: to feel like there's no one to protect her. It's appalling. 795 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: It shows how terrible they are, but it's also really transparent, 796 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: so I don't think it's going to work for them. 797 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 798 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 799 00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. 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