WEBVTT - Ep. 146: Alaska Stories (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>My body went forward and my left leg stayed where

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<v Speaker 1>it was, and I just hear this pop in my

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<v Speaker 1>left leg, and all of a sudden, I'm laying there

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<v Speaker 1>and I instantly knew something bad just happened to my leg.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the second episode of our Alaska story series.

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<v Speaker 2>These harrowing tales of adventure are hard to beat in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of excitement and entertainment. As we listen to these,

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<v Speaker 2>we get a sense, albeit from a safe distance, some

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<v Speaker 2>fragment of what the storyteller felt in the climax moment

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<v Speaker 2>of their experience. We always learned practical things from these stories,

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<v Speaker 2>but stories of crisis, fear, and adventure are internal trial

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<v Speaker 2>test runs for us. Do you find yourself imagining how

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<v Speaker 2>you would have responded in a similar situation and what

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<v Speaker 2>would life be without difficulty? We spend our lives trying

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid it, but trials and tribulations consume the human

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<v Speaker 2>communication experience. We spend an incredible amount of time thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about crisis. We talk about it, we write about it,

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<v Speaker 2>we make movies about it, and constantly fetishize our responses

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<v Speaker 2>to crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got four.

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<v Speaker 2>Wild Alaskan stories on this episode about big mountains, big

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<v Speaker 2>bears and a more internal struggle. The very last story

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<v Speaker 2>on this series, told by Steve Ranella, is one he's

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<v Speaker 2>never told publicly, but we decided to include it in

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<v Speaker 2>hopes that it might make a difference in somebody's life.

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<v Speaker 2>I really doubt that you're going to want to miss

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<v Speaker 2>this one.

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<v Speaker 4>There was just time frozen and me knowing that my

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<v Speaker 4>time had come and I had lived a good life

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<v Speaker 4>and I was at peace with it.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Klay Knukem, and this is the Bear

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<v Speaker 2>Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search

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<v Speaker 2>for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the

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<v Speaker 2>story of Americans who live their lives close to the land.

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<v Speaker 2>Presented by FHF gear, American made purpose built hunting and

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<v Speaker 2>fishing gear as designed to be as rugged as the

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<v Speaker 2>place as we explore. Henry Gannette became the chief geographer

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<v Speaker 2>for the United States Geological Survey in eighteen eighty two

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<v Speaker 2>and is considered the father of map making in America.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen oh one, he said this about Alaska. If

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<v Speaker 2>you are old, go by all means, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>are young, stay away until you grow older. The scenery

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<v Speaker 2>of Alaska is so much grander than anything else of

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<v Speaker 2>the kind in the world that, once beheld, all other

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<v Speaker 2>scenery becomes flat and insipid. It is not well to

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<v Speaker 2>dle one's capacity for such enjoyment by seeing the finest first.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been enamored with Alaska for a long time. These

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<v Speaker 2>stories continue to paint for me the unique challenges of

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<v Speaker 2>hunting America's last frontier. Our first story is told by

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<v Speaker 2>Alaskan god Austin Manalik about a doll sheep hunt in

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska's High Country meat.

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<v Speaker 5>Austin, So, I'm Austin and Elik, born and raised Alaskan,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty five years living up here and do some assistant

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<v Speaker 5>guiding currently and kind of like a Swiss army knife

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<v Speaker 5>of many things in the hunting industry. So trying to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out and making a living at the Alaska lifestyle. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess kind of got there, which brought me into

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<v Speaker 5>an assistant guiding and spending the amount of time that

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<v Speaker 5>I wanted to a field still after start my family,

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<v Speaker 5>getting married, and then pretty soon there after having children,

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<v Speaker 5>and then the bills start coming that you don't see,

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<v Speaker 5>the mortgage, a truck payment, saving up to buy a boat,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, fueling the addiction is you know, boats

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<v Speaker 5>bust out.

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<v Speaker 6>At other thousand is what it stands for.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you kick off a guided hunt in Alaska

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<v Speaker 5>as an assistant guide, which I am currently working towards

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<v Speaker 5>my registered guide license, you you don't know what you're

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<v Speaker 5>getting into with someone that's a flat lander from Michigan,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, or wherever they may come from, or like

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<v Speaker 5>a very accomplished hunter from Washington.

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<v Speaker 6>You just never know what you're getting into.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you start these hunts off, you can sus

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<v Speaker 5>someone out pretty good within the first ten minutes. This

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<v Speaker 5>is the kickoff of the Alaska season for sheep hunters.

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<v Speaker 5>And I linked up with a registered guide and he

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<v Speaker 5>flew me out, then he flew back, picked up the

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<v Speaker 5>client and dropped him off, and then he dropped a packer,

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<v Speaker 5>very young, green behind the ears packer, twenty year old kid.

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<v Speaker 5>That is the big kickoff. The big show is sheep

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<v Speaker 5>season for sure. I loved all sheep man. I love

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<v Speaker 5>smelling the perfume, the cologne of a doll ram, just

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<v Speaker 5>anyone you can put in your hands.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just it's something magical.

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<v Speaker 5>My spirit animal really the most handsome creature in my

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<v Speaker 5>opinion in the world. The white tuxedo with the gold

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<v Speaker 5>bowl tyes. You know, they're just cool. So we got there.

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<v Speaker 5>I had not been to this area, however, the packer had.

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<v Speaker 5>He had been there the year before, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>kind of the running joke. When I sat the packer down,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, tell me about everything you know about all

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<v Speaker 5>these sheep, the sheep that were missed, the sheep that

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<v Speaker 5>were spooked. I need to know everything because you can

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<v Speaker 5>only get when you're flying in to a place like

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<v Speaker 5>you can't wrap your mind around these giant mountains, even

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<v Speaker 5>with the best aerial mapping, it's just really tough. And

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<v Speaker 5>then making a decision can cost you the entire hunt,

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<v Speaker 5>because if you're going to do a big loop, it

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<v Speaker 5>can be three days, it can be five days. It

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<v Speaker 5>could be the end of the hunt before it began.

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<v Speaker 5>And he said, man, I feel like I am being

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<v Speaker 5>interviewed on forty eight hours like a murder suspect. I'm like, hey, buddy,

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<v Speaker 5>you are you know we all hit it off. It

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<v Speaker 5>was I knew it was going to be a great adventure.

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<v Speaker 5>And the year previous he hiked up this ridge to

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<v Speaker 5>get a look into this drainage after sheep got spooked

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<v Speaker 5>and he found the ram and he was coming down

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<v Speaker 5>the mountain and the previous hunter and the guide were screaming,

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<v Speaker 5>and I believe they shot their rifle in the air

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<v Speaker 5>and he looked up.

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<v Speaker 6>He's like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>He couldn't see, but a bear was chasing him down

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<v Speaker 5>the drainage and then he disappeared into the broccoli.

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<v Speaker 6>The dog here down low and he popped out. He's like,

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<v Speaker 6>what was going on.

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<v Speaker 5>They're like, oh my gosh, you're alive. You had a

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<v Speaker 5>grizzly on your tail. He's like, really, he had no clue. So,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we're halfway through now about, and we've had

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<v Speaker 5>some rough weather. At this stage, we're like a real

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<v Speaker 5>cohesive unit. We've all shared our stories. That packer told

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<v Speaker 5>us a story about you know, that bear charged me

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<v Speaker 5>the year before and not this nine millimeter and my

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<v Speaker 5>dad made me these custom loads before I left. He said,

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to carry a handgun. And I'm carrying this handgun,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, for this reason. And he got a

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<v Speaker 5>whole spit that didn't really fit that great like it

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<v Speaker 5>fit in there, but it was it was falling out

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<v Speaker 5>at any rate.

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<v Speaker 6>We did the bigger loop.

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<v Speaker 5>We come around the corner, we find a ram, we

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<v Speaker 5>do a critical stock got in and he missed. The

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<v Speaker 5>client missed, and I was a bummer, and she went

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<v Speaker 5>up and over and said, Hey, no sweat, we still

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<v Speaker 5>got time.

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<v Speaker 6>We're gonna find him. We'll find another one. Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 6>A clean miss. I phone scoped it. I could see everything.

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<v Speaker 6>It's all right.

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<v Speaker 5>So we wake up, we have the coffee, and he said,

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<v Speaker 5>are we still really in this? He was like, man,

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<v Speaker 5>we got a hike out of here. This is gonna

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<v Speaker 5>be tough to get out of here. So we bailed

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<v Speaker 5>off this big shale slide. We're at the back of

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<v Speaker 5>this base and about six thousand feet maybe a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit less. We dropped down about one thousand feet down

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<v Speaker 5>into this basin on a shale slide where you can

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<v Speaker 5>just run down the shale, and basically it's hey.

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<v Speaker 6>You need to just stay, just wait until I get down.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna get out of the way and then you

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<v Speaker 5>come down to me, and then the packer will come down.

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<v Speaker 5>So we don't kick rocks, they don't roll into each

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<v Speaker 5>other and you get hurt coming down. So we did

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<v Speaker 5>the mountain glissade down and we don't have any water left.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, yeah, we'll be down in ten minutes. So

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<v Speaker 5>we get down. I'm like, oh, look at that.

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<v Speaker 6>This is beautiful. We're looking at this.

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<v Speaker 5>We're still really up high, I don't know, above four

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<v Speaker 5>two hundred and fifty feet at least, not a tree

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<v Speaker 5>in sight for I don't know, probably five ten miles,

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<v Speaker 5>like not even a shrub. And so we're in this

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<v Speaker 5>kind of broken rocky terrain with these boulders that are

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<v Speaker 5>the size of footballs to beach ball size, and there's

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<v Speaker 5>just a little pocket of water where I'm kind of down,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're sitting up maybe five yards away, maybe less,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, there's a little rise about fifty yards

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<v Speaker 5>from but we can see this whole valley. But where

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<v Speaker 5>I'm at, I'm down in a hole, but all I

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<v Speaker 5>can see around me is shale and.

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<v Speaker 6>My client and the packer.

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<v Speaker 5>The packer had when he was coming down going back

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<v Speaker 5>to his handgun in his case, his handgun fell out.

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<v Speaker 6>I made sure.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, hey, don't keep one in there. No one

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<v Speaker 5>ever keeps any rifle chambered. I'm like, I will let

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<v Speaker 5>you know in a chamber around and so on a

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<v Speaker 5>sheep hunt. You're hiking around the mountains and usually don't

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<v Speaker 5>ever run into gris, and your rifle is usually on

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<v Speaker 5>your pack because if you've got it out and you

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<v Speaker 5>slip and fall, you drop your rifle, it's gonna maybe

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<v Speaker 5>bump scope, maybe not. So he just rifles are in okay,

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<v Speaker 5>And I usually don't carry a handgun hunting sheep, and

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<v Speaker 5>that has since changed after this moment that's coming up.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm filtering this water out of a diesel.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a diesel filter this, you know, diesel filters like

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<v Speaker 5>ten microns or something like that.

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<v Speaker 6>So it takes a while.

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<v Speaker 5>We're sitting there and talking and thinking, you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>hunt's kind of done.

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<v Speaker 6>We're talking loud, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking up at them, and the packer has his entire

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<v Speaker 5>handgun apart, and they're talking back and forth, and he's

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<v Speaker 5>telling us the story about his dad custom rounds again

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<v Speaker 5>for like the third time. We're like, oh, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 5>right on, and I got fifteen rounds in this meg

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<v Speaker 5>and magazine. I've got another fifteen in this one. Okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, And he puts it all back together. A

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<v Speaker 5>couple of cosmetic scratches, No big deal, so beside, Zach

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<v Speaker 5>Forward puts the magazine back in and like, right when

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<v Speaker 5>I heard that noise, and he just kind of looks

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<v Speaker 5>at us and says like he says, bears, guy's bears.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's kind of where I'm like, hey, sheep, boys,

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<v Speaker 5>sheep are like, hey, there's caribou over there or you know,

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<v Speaker 5>nothing threatening over here. Just kind of like we're noticing

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<v Speaker 5>something and be aware. He said it like that, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh sweet, my client, he has a griz tag.

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<v Speaker 5>This could change the whole hunt as well. So I

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<v Speaker 5>put down the water. I kind of trot up to

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<v Speaker 5>him and keeping my head low, and I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm maybe five yards maybe away from When I get

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<v Speaker 5>up to the rise and I look to my left,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a soal grizz with three two year old cubs.

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<v Speaker 5>I look and as I made eye contact with that bear,

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<v Speaker 5>full blown charge. And I have seen charges. I've seen

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<v Speaker 5>bluff charges, and no one to shoot, no one to

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<v Speaker 5>hold them, no one to fold them. This bear is coming.

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<v Speaker 6>Four hour Lives. I grabbed my pack, screaming.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey bear, bear, no, no, no, hey, just scream like

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what came out of my mouth other

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<v Speaker 5>than the loudest noise I could possibly make.

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<v Speaker 6>I grab my pack. By the time that I had

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<v Speaker 6>done that.

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<v Speaker 5>And screaming, I couldn't turn over my rifle and jack

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<v Speaker 5>around in and shoot.

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<v Speaker 6>It was right there. I mean two three steps.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean like I could have stepped once and touched

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<v Speaker 5>it with my rifle and tip of the nose and

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<v Speaker 5>I had Actually I got the gun out and I

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<v Speaker 5>grabbed a rock. I don't know, your mind is just

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<v Speaker 5>going I grabbed a rock because I was gonna throw

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<v Speaker 5>that maybe a like a diversion or a hitter or

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<v Speaker 5>something as I'm screaming, and then maybe get one jacked

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<v Speaker 5>in as I'm getting chewed on and hopefully someone helps me.

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<v Speaker 6>But as I did that, what I heard was three gunshots.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, in that moment, your mind isn't thinking am

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<v Speaker 5>I gonna die?

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<v Speaker 6>Is someone going to die? Or are we all going

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<v Speaker 6>to die?

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<v Speaker 5>You are just like faced with this the realization something bad, death, malling,

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<v Speaker 5>something is going to happen, and I'm going through these

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<v Speaker 5>motions of like you can play it out in your mind,

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<v Speaker 5>you can think about it all you want, but in

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<v Speaker 5>that moment, it's just absent adrenaline shark eye life death

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<v Speaker 5>face on.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the moment.

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<v Speaker 5>And so in that moment, the packer he shot eight times,

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<v Speaker 5>and we know that because he counted how many he

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<v Speaker 5>had left.

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<v Speaker 6>I heard three shots.

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<v Speaker 5>It was it happened that fast, and all I saw

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<v Speaker 5>around this bear was basically like a halo. And those cubs,

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<v Speaker 5>those cubs, they all stayed right there on that far

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<v Speaker 5>not you know, forty yards away. They stayed there watching.

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<v Speaker 5>And when he shot, he shot in a complete halo.

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<v Speaker 5>It looked like around this bear, all I saw was

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<v Speaker 5>rocks flying around this bear at its feet, under its stomach,

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<v Speaker 5>over its back, over its head. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I only heard three shots, but I saw a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of chaos going around that bear. I started screaming because

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<v Speaker 5>she she had turned and took off, running back towards

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<v Speaker 5>her cubs. And I know exactly how close that bear

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<v Speaker 5>was when she turned and like made semicircle of poop

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<v Speaker 5>that some of it may have splashed her onto our packs,

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<v Speaker 5>like it was a boot length away.

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<v Speaker 6>So she had spun and done that and just took.

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<v Speaker 5>Off getting into this this bear encounter, this packer saved

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<v Speaker 5>my life and his life and the client's life. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just no way around it. He he saved our bacon.

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<v Speaker 5>So like we've we back up. You got one jacked in.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, everybody, calm down. We're just gonna stay right

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<v Speaker 5>here and we're gonna wait. So we waited until our

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<v Speaker 5>nerves were calm. This is what we're gonna do. I

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<v Speaker 5>need to track and make sure this thing is not

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<v Speaker 5>when we're not injured whatsoever, and make sure that we

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<v Speaker 5>don't don't have to call the authorities and go through

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<v Speaker 5>with this process because it's it's very serious, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>shooting us sol with cubs or she a bear without

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<v Speaker 5>a tag. All wildlife in Alaska is taking incredibly seriously,

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<v Speaker 5>and the Wildlife troopers don't play. They have all the

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<v Speaker 5>beans in the world to get out there and save

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<v Speaker 5>you a you know, they'll be the first responders and

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<v Speaker 5>they'll save hunters all the time, but to check you

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<v Speaker 5>in places you didn't think you were going to be checked.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's you really really have to play by the rules,

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<v Speaker 5>exactly by the rules, even if your life depends on it.

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<v Speaker 5>So Bear wasn't wounded, Bear lived, Bear got the spoop.

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<v Speaker 5>We went down the drainage and wouldn't you know it.

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<v Speaker 5>On our way out, I looked up and I said,

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<v Speaker 5>there's the ram that we've been circling. He came back

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<v Speaker 5>down there he is, and we snuck over there and

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<v Speaker 5>shot that ram about six hours later, said, dude, like

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<v Speaker 5>it or not, I told you, we are still in

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<v Speaker 5>this ballgame. Anytime you step foot in the wilds of Alaska,

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<v Speaker 5>you're in the ball game.

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<v Speaker 2>The timing of that packer pulling out his gun and

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<v Speaker 2>having it loaded and in his hand was uncanny. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been charged by a grizzly, but I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>something that can never be forgotten. Everyone talks about how

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<v Speaker 2>fast it happens. Everybody talks about that this story could

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<v Speaker 2>have ended much different than it did if it hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been for that packer and his nine milimeter. Austin runs

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<v Speaker 2>a brand called Mission Alaska, and you can check him

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<v Speaker 2>out online and see what he's up to. Good story, Austin.

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<v Speaker 2>Our next story is one perhaps that you've heard. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've been in the meat Eat your orbit for very long,

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember Steve and Giannis's meat tree story. It's

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<v Speaker 2>so good it's worth telling over and over. But I

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<v Speaker 2>have never heard Garrett Smith or Dirt Myth as we

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<v Speaker 2>call him. I've never heard his full side of the story,

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<v Speaker 2>and he played a unique role in this story. I

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<v Speaker 2>asked Jannis and Garrett to tag team on this one,

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<v Speaker 2>so here is their version of the meat tree.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, mister Newcombe, here comes the bear story from

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<v Speaker 4>Garrett William Smith a ka Dirt Myth aka Dirt Steve

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<v Speaker 4>Drew tag for Roosevelt Elk Bull Elk on a Fognac Island, Alaska,

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<v Speaker 4>short flight from Kodiak. I was brought on as cinematographer

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<v Speaker 4>document the hunt. Remy Warren was an additional hunter. Jannis Petelis,

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<v Speaker 4>Janni Timani the Eagle Latvian eagle was a long as

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<v Speaker 4>a hunter, producer, storyteller, and Chris Gill was a second cinematographer.

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<v Speaker 7>And then my buddy.

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<v Speaker 4>Patrick O'Connell was along as a production assistant. We land

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<v Speaker 4>in this floatplane on this lake, on a secluded island

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<v Speaker 4>surrounded by you know, the wild ocean. We set up

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<v Speaker 4>our camp, which includes setting up a bear fence. We

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<v Speaker 4>were forewarned that interaction with the Kodiak brown bear was likely,

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<v Speaker 4>if not imminent, And the plane takes off and as

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<v Speaker 4>as the drum of that that motor slightens us more

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<v Speaker 4>and more and eventually disappears. You You do have a

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<v Speaker 4>moment of realizing that you're in You're in a spot

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<v Speaker 4>much bigger than yourself, and without speaking to it, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a feeling of of clannishness that you uh, You're glad

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<v Speaker 4>you're there with friends and co workers that you know

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<v Speaker 4>have proven themselves tried and true in the field in

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<v Speaker 4>similar situations. Remy had done this hunt before, I had

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<v Speaker 4>suffered greatly. I had success, But it's just it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>a It's an island in a landscape that truly defines

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<v Speaker 4>and tests any hard man or woman on their ability

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<v Speaker 4>to persevere through weather and extremely dense vegetation, wet wet,

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<v Speaker 4>wet wet, an abundance of Roosevelt elk, which are amazing,

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<v Speaker 4>and an abundance of Kodiak brown bears, which are amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>A fog nag is a it's a wild place, maybe

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<v Speaker 7>one of the wildest places I've been. It's got a

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<v Speaker 7>Jurassic Park kind of feel to it. Everything's big. The

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<v Speaker 7>elk or giant, the golden eagles. We saw a giant

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<v Speaker 7>saky salmon that we caught were giant I think it

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<v Speaker 7>seemed to be big there. It's also very wet. It

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<v Speaker 7>never stopped raining, and I remember walking across hillsides and

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<v Speaker 7>remarking that it just felt as though you were constantly

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<v Speaker 7>crossing a stream, like not only were you stepping in

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<v Speaker 7>water marshy grass water, but that it was always moving.

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<v Speaker 7>We had a camp and an in a valley and

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<v Speaker 7>we had to eventually find the elk. We had to

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<v Speaker 7>climb over a pretty big ridge. It took us at

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<v Speaker 7>least an hour to summit and then go down the

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<v Speaker 7>other side of the ridge into a long drainage, and

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<v Speaker 7>that's where we found found these elk. You can actually

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<v Speaker 7>see the ocean from where we found the elk. Well.

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<v Speaker 7>Steve eventually harvests an elk.

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<v Speaker 4>Steve has a shot and takes down this Roosevelt elk

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<v Speaker 4>had a clean shot and it died down in this creek.

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<v Speaker 4>It has one of its antlers broken off from fighting.

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<v Speaker 4>But massive body down in this really steep creek bed

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<v Speaker 4>in the water, which is a pain in the butt.

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<v Speaker 4>So Rammy and Steve and the crew start butchering. The

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<v Speaker 4>elk is totally dressed and begged. It's dark, so it's

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<v Speaker 4>too much meat to pack all the way back to camp.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the daylight we had either pinned or just

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<v Speaker 4>remembered there was a taller tree in the landscape that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of stuck out amongst all the dense vegetation, and

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<v Speaker 4>we start working towards that with half of the elk

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<v Speaker 4>between the six of us, just to give you u

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<v Speaker 4>and we're all strong dudes, all very familiar with having

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<v Speaker 4>heavy packs with meat loaded into them. So we pack

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<v Speaker 4>half of that elk up to this tree and hang it.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, when you draw this Roosevelt elk tag in the

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<v Speaker 7>state of Alaska, you get a letter from the Alaska

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<v Speaker 7>Game and Fish that says, this is an extremely tough

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<v Speaker 7>hunt and by the way, if you kill it is

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<v Speaker 7>almost guaranteed that a brown bear will claim your kill.

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<v Speaker 7>So get your meat away from the carcass and take

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<v Speaker 7>the rest of the proper precautions that you need to

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<v Speaker 7>take to take care of that. So we were expecting

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<v Speaker 7>to have not altercations necessarily, but encounters with brown bears,

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<v Speaker 7>especially once we had one had an elk down. What's

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<v Speaker 7>interesting is that up until that point, which I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 7>was four or five days into the hunt, we had

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<v Speaker 7>not seen a brown beerry. Yet it takes us a

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<v Speaker 7>long time to pack this elk out. Six of us

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<v Speaker 7>pack half of this huge elk out, and we don't

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<v Speaker 7>get back to camp until I think three or four

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<v Speaker 7>o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>And because we had to have such a late, a

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<v Speaker 4>long day and then late night, we decided to stay

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<v Speaker 4>around camp, kind of do a little R and R

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, dry our gear out. Life is good.

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<v Speaker 4>Remy still got a tag. We still have half an

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<v Speaker 4>elk hanging in a tree six hours away from camp

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<v Speaker 4>on a kind of a death hike. So the next day,

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<v Speaker 4>wake up early.

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<v Speaker 7>And we decided the next day we'll get up first thing,

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<v Speaker 7>and I said early, going there and get the rest

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<v Speaker 7>of the elk. So we hike over the ridge, down

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<v Speaker 7>the long valley towards where we had left this the

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<v Speaker 7>other half of the meat in a tree. We get

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<v Speaker 7>about four one hundred five hundred yards from this now

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<v Speaker 7>we can call it the meat tree with the meats hanging.

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<v Speaker 7>We're across a small creek or across the bottom of

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<v Speaker 7>the drainage, looking from one side across this creek and

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<v Speaker 7>looking up at this hillside where the meat tree is.

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<v Speaker 7>And we sit there for a solid thirty minutes in

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<v Speaker 7>glass with binoculars. We survey the tree and the surrounding

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<v Speaker 7>area to see if we can find a bear. Nothing

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<v Speaker 7>seems to be there, nothing seems to be stirring, so

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<v Speaker 7>we head on in there. We come in there, taking

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<v Speaker 7>the necessary precautions like you do in bear country, especially

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<v Speaker 7>when you're approaching a tree that has meat hanging in it,

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<v Speaker 7>which is we have bear sprays drawn. We're making a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of noise, a lot of hooting, a lot of hollering,

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<v Speaker 7>and so forth. We pretty much march right up to

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<v Speaker 7>the tree. We get there, we inspect the location for

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<v Speaker 7>bear sign and it seems as though a has not

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<v Speaker 7>been there, miraculously not showing up after half of an

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<v Speaker 7>elk's been hanging in a tree.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, worst thinking, All right, half of this day is done.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's eat some lunch, throw this meat in our backs,

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<v Speaker 4>get back to camp so we can continue to hunt

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<v Speaker 4>for remis tag. Sit down in a semicircle. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's already been a big push just getting to

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<v Speaker 4>that tree. Everyone takes off their packs and we're just

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're brothers in arms. We're joking and pats

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<v Speaker 4>making these bomber sandwiches and a.

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<v Speaker 7>Couple of reasons. And sandwiches are funny, but the biggest

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<v Speaker 7>one is as the sandwiches get passed out, I noticed

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<v Speaker 7>that Steve's sandwich is just a little bit bigger than mine.

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<v Speaker 7>And I remark to him, Hey, what's the deal? How

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 7>come my sandwich is as big as yours? He says,

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<v Speaker 7>if you want a bigger sandwich, you need to just

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<v Speaker 7>go get your own. Show. That's the last thing he

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<v Speaker 7>said before Patrick O'Connell, who was boiling water on a stove,

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<v Speaker 7>and I can still remember the sound of that stove hissing,

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<v Speaker 7>and that pot started to just shake a little bit

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<v Speaker 7>as the water was starting to boil. Pat says, hey,

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<v Speaker 7>did anybody hear that?

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<v Speaker 4>As soon as he said, do you guys hear that?

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<v Speaker 4>We all looked the direction. We all had heard something.

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<v Speaker 4>Pat was the first to mention, and it wasn't something

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<v Speaker 4>that was lingering. And then it was like there was

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<v Speaker 4>a sound that Pat reacted to and looked and we

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<v Speaker 4>all look over and there's a Kodiak brown Bear running

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<v Speaker 4>faster than anything I've ever seen, run towards our group.

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<v Speaker 7>In that moment, everyone seems to get tunnel vision. Later

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<v Speaker 7>interviewing everybody, no one else can remember what anyone else did,

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<v Speaker 7>their movements, their positioning, which is interesting. Everybody went to

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<v Speaker 7>tunnel vision, but we were sitting in sort of half circle.

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 7>Stee was actually laying down on his side, sort of

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 7>propped up like Jane Fonda doing her exercises, eating his sandwich,

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 7>and the rest of us were sort of a half

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.919
<v Speaker 7>circle around him. Well, here comes this bear, And in

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 7>that moment, all I can really remember is as the

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 7>bears coming towards us, it doesn't really look like a bear.

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 7>There's a brown mass. The edges of the brown mass

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:26.439
<v Speaker 7>are fluffy, they're almost glowing as the sunlight sort of

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 7>touches the tips of the bear's fur. The fur itself

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 7>sort of has a jiggly yellow rolling characteristic to it,

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 7>as the muscles underneath it move and the fur and

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 7>the fat move across it in the almost waves. The

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 7>center of this brown mass has white teeth and small

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:50.159
<v Speaker 7>yellow eyes.

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 4>I had never I got to speak for myself, I

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 4>had never been in a situation like that where a

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:03.160
<v Speaker 4>predator or a life form of such obviously superior strength

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 4>covering a distance so fast that all this thought process

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:11.880
<v Speaker 4>happens afterwards, we see it all of a sudden, it's

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 4>in our group under the meat tree. My lizard brain

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 4>reaction was flight. I'm not ashamed at all. I mean,

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't a choice, you know, fight or flight. I

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 4>remember the freeze frame of that bear's shoulders and size

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 4>and speed, and I'm not surprised at all that I

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 4>basically rolled, like spun around and separated myself from the

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 4>rushing on slot by a tree.

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 7>By the meat tree. We knew that we'd have, like

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 7>I said, interactions with bears. Before sitting down, or as

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 7>I sat down to have my sandwich, I had specifically

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 7>taken my pistol, which was in a holster on my backpack,

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 7>and I had taken it out of the holster and

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 7>set it down next to me. I also knew that

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 7>I had bear spray on my belt in a bear

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 7>spray holster for whatever reason. I had also two trekking

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 7>poles that were laid there next to me. But in

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 7>the moment that the bear is bearing down on us,

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 7>my brain does not go to the pistol in orderes,

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 7>it go to the bear spray. Instead. I find myself

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 7>on two feet standing there like Pete Alonzo clutching two

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 7>trekking poles, and as the bear's head is within striking distance,

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 7>I swing at the bear's face. The next five minutes

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 7>of the story actually takes about two seconds to transpire,

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 7>but in that moment I thought, well, it's gonna roll

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 7>me over, I might as well go down swinging. When

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 7>I swing and I feel that I connect, I'm surprised.

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.280
<v Speaker 7>Then I'm ten times more surprised when the last thing

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 7>that I thought would happen was that the bear somehow

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 7>reacts to this getting touched by my trekking poles. The

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 7>bears almost one hundred and eighty degrees and turns out

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 7>of there and leaves our little area. Now from stories

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 7>told to me, Patrick never got off his butt next

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 7>to the stove, watched the whole thing from there. Chris Gill,

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 7>one of our photographers, stood up, immediately tripped backwards and

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 7>was staring at the sky as the bear came in

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 7>and out. Remy Warren made a football type juke move

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 7>to go one way and then the other way to

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 7>get out of the bear's way. Steven Ranella never got up,

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 7>maybe had the bear step on his foot, because later

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 7>his ankle became very sore. I'm bewildered. I'm standing there.

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what's happened, but as the bear's leaving,

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 7>it almost looks as though it's leaving with one of

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 7>our crew.

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Jannis grabbed a trek and pull and batted it in

0:30:56.040 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 4>the face. Steve could smell its breath. I mean, everyone

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 4>had their own moment in time with this massive brown bear.

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 4>And then immediately also this is all in matter of seconds,

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 4>immediately realized these crew members that I respect and love

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 4>and want to protect are having an interaction with this

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 4>massive bear, and maybe there's something I can do. So

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 4>I peek around the bottom the downhill side of the tree.

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 4>And when Yanni had smacked it in the face, you know,

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 4>by chance or because of that, well, it decided to

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 4>get out of there below the meat tree the downhill side.

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 4>As I was peeking around.

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 7>Garrett Smith somehow, as he's moving around the tree, he

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 7>trips backwards like imagine you're heels tripping as opposed your

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 7>toes tripping, and he goes to fall on his butt

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 7>and actually lands on the top of the bear.

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 4>And that sucker clip me with its massive shoulder and

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 4>flip me on to its back. I mean, nothing compares

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 4>to that first moment of back to back, the speed

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 4>of which I found myself riding a Kodiak brown bear

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 4>down a mountain side. It was my brain was not

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 4>able to process that this actually was happening. I mean,

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 4>when you put yourself, when you choose a lifestyle to

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 4>test your strength and will against nature, often there's always

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 4>a part of you that knows, at any point a

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 4>factor outside of you your control can happen, and you

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 4>just hope that you can cope with it and deal

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:43.800
<v Speaker 4>with it in.

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 7>A way that allows you to survive.

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 4>Well. When I got knocked onto that bear's back, and

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 4>it was only was able to happen because the hillside

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 4>was steep enough, I was, I was far enough uphill

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 4>and in that matter had gained the height that its

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 4>shoulder clipped me on my hip and knocked me onto

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 4>its back, and instantly feeling its shoulder muscles and its hide,

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:16.719
<v Speaker 4>I instantly knew I was dead. And it was very calming,

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 4>and you know, like in any accident, time stills and

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 4>slows down. I was totally cognizant and aware that I

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 4>was riding a brown bear in Alaska, and that the

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 4>outcome was I was being you know, dropped into the

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 4>brush and mauled. There was no there was no there

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 4>was no mentality that, you know, maybe I could knife it,

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 4>or maybe I could flee from it, or maybe all

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 4>of it would end up okay. There was just time

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 4>frozen and me knowing that my time had come and

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 4>I had lived a good life and I was at

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 4>peace with it. The rest of the crew see this

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 4>happen and think it has me, and and it's jaws,

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe fifty feet later, I mean a couple

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 4>seconds later, I fall off the bear and then, you know,

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.319
<v Speaker 4>I assume that that's when it's going to turn in

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 4>my life, and just slamming into an alder and I'm okay,

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 4>I'd like get on my knees or something. And I'm

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 4>telling this, I have goosebumps, and often I do because

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 4>it's so vivid in my memory. And I see the

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.279
<v Speaker 4>rest of the crew running towards me, ready to get

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 4>their brother. I run back to them. Everyone's okay, everyone's

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.879
<v Speaker 4>in shocked, but reacting in a very logical way.

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 7>Like I said, it happened in two seconds. There are

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 7>sandwich fixings and parts and pieces spread out all over

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 7>underneath the met tree. Now nobody goes to pick those up,

0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 7>and everybody's pretty shook up, and there's a lot of

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 7>going on and a lot of people. You're taught to

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:06.399
<v Speaker 7>yell hey bear when you're in bear country to keep

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 7>the bears away or to let them let the bears

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 7>know that you're around. In that situation, when someone yells

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 7>hey bear, everybody starts pointing bear spray and guns in

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 7>the direction wherever the person is looking that just yelled

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 7>hey bear. So we immediately made a rule that no

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 7>one could yell hey bear anymore unless they actually saw

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 7>a bear. But we pretty much circled up, collected our gear,

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 7>and Steve actually climbed into the meat tree and handed

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 7>down the second half of the elk, which we then

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 7>loaded onto our backpacks. And then we moved as what

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:46.320
<v Speaker 7>you would see an army platoon in an old army movie,

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 7>moved through the jungle where there's sort of everybody you know,

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 7>pointed in a different direction and sort of you're making

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 7>a circle, and you got eyes in every direction. And

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 7>we moved as this sort of group down away from

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 7>the meat tree, crossback across the creek and got out

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 7>into a big meadow where you could see easily one

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:09.560
<v Speaker 7>hundred yards in every direction, which is where we probably

0:36:09.600 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 7>should have been having our sandwiches and tea in the

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:16.839
<v Speaker 7>first place. I can remember that what my wife said

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 7>when I called her maybe three or four days after

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 7>the event, and before I could even start telling her

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 7>what had happened, she could sense in my voice that

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 7>I had experienced something of great magnitude.

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.880
<v Speaker 2>It's still hard to imagine dirt being carried on the

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 2>back of that bear that far. I've been fortunate enough

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>to spend a lot of time in the field with

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Dirt over the last couple of years, and he's a

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>uniquely genuine person. I'd say it would be impossible to

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>not like him, especially when you see his work ethic

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 2>and his continual upbeat attitude and old Yannis. I can't

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 2>say enough good things about Yiannis either. Thanks for the story, guys,

0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad that you're alive. Our next story is told

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 2>by another Alaskan guide.

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:10.760
<v Speaker 3>His name is Caleb Martin.

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be taking us high into Goat Country. Meet Caleb.

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>My name is Caleb Martin. I'm a lifelong Alasson born

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>and raised. Avid bow hunter. I've shot thirteen mountain goats

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>with a bow. Now I'm a big game hunting guide.

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I guid an Alaska mountain goat, dull sheep, and Kodiak

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>brown bear. I average around one hundred to one hundred

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and ten days in the field and solo hunt ninety

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>plus percent of the time. So this year I found

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>out in February that I drew a mountain goat tag

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 1>in an area somewhat close by to an area I've

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.479
<v Speaker 1>been before, but it was kind of the next unit

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>over a big steep country.

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 8>I'm wet.

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 1>You know mountain goats, you know they thrive in the

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>other coastline in Alaska and southeast coastline because it's really wet,

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>steep train they can get away from predators, they can

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>regulate their body temperature, and has got great feed for him.

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>So I booked a flight earlier in the year with

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a air service I'd used in the past, and he

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>could fly me in there, but he was going to

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>fly me in late in the evening because from his

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>experience he had found out evening flights in that area

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>he can normally sneak in between storms, and that's exactly

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>what happened.

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 8>I worked out pretty well.

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>August sixth I'm touching down eight o'clock in the evening,

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>fairly uneventful flight. We saw some goats on the way in,

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>but not in my unit. Landed and set up temporary

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>camp for the evening. And so the next day, August seventh,

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.280
<v Speaker 1>it was drizzly raining on and off, but got into

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 1>some goats. Being so early in the season in August,

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>typically people hunt goats more later in the year, but

0:38:56.320 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>with my busy guiding schedule this year, I only had

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the beginning August to hunt this tag. But the consequence

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>of that is that the ghosts this time of the

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>year are much higher on the mountain, and so, you know,

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the goats that I did spot that day, I spotted

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.280
<v Speaker 1>a couple of good herds and a couple of billies,

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>but they were in really far off reaches, and I

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.360
<v Speaker 1>was it was kind of starting to set in that

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is gonna be a kind of above

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>average goat hunt. I've hunted a lot on Kodiak and

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>those areas, you know, the tallest peak, you know you're

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>maxing out at like four thousand feet, but here, you

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>know it, you're looking at five six thousand feet, super

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:43.280
<v Speaker 1>steep faces, really thick brush. Everything's still live, still green,

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>So the vegetation super thick salmonberry's are just getting started.

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And it was just kind of starting to be like, Okay,

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a grinder, Especially solo packing

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 1>out an entire goat.

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 8>You know, you're looking at packing out between.

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>One hundred and twenty and fife hundred and fifty pounds,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>depending on what you'd carry with you. So when I

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.360
<v Speaker 1>go into these kind of hunts, I like to carry

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different safety gear, and I've learned over

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:11.959
<v Speaker 1>thirteen different hunts that carrying rock climbing and repelling gear

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 1>can come in extremely handy. So I carry a black

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Diamond rock climbing harness, a device to repel down with me,

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and on this particular hunt, I carried about one hundred

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>yard climbing rope with me. On the eighth I started

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>making my way up the mountain and man, it was beautiful.

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:32.359
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of linger and work my way up,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:35.240
<v Speaker 1>and it actually ended up taking me about eight hours

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 1>to get up to the sub alpine level where I'd

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 1>seen goats but not so high to be up and

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of their natural walking paths in that area, and

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>finally I make it up there at the end of

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the day, and now I'm about two thousand, twenty five

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>hundred feet of elevation and get up there, find a

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 1>flat spot for the evening with a little trickle of

0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 1>water next to it, and threw up tent for the

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 1>evening and called it good and just crashed. And so

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I slept that night, and I woke up the next

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 1>morning after you know, making some coffee from a little

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.800
<v Speaker 1>trickle a mountain of water, and it rained, started raining

0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:18.400
<v Speaker 1>sometime in the middle of night, rained all through the

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>next night. August night, they unzipped the tent and it

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 1>just socked in. Can't see ten feet. So some days,

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>like August ninth, it was a tent day. I just

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>spent twenty four hours in a tent, reading books on

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>my phone, looking through my pictures and my videos that

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I took, and just trying to stay in my little

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>cocoon and not spread scent over bump into any animals.

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:44.760
<v Speaker 8>And it was kind of funny.

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I unzipped the tent twice that day, and at one

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.479
<v Speaker 1>point I had a pretty decent black bear at about

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 1>two hundred yards and then another instance, I actually saw

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.759
<v Speaker 1>a billy on the other side of the valley. While

0:41:56.800 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the forecast wasn't too hopeful, you know, everything was going

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>extremely well. I was having a very good experience. August

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 1>tenth came around. I unzip the tent door and it's

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>still kind of foggy, but I look right where that

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 1>black bear was the day before. There's a billy standing

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>right there, two hundred yards outside of the tent, and

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 1>the wide open straight from my tent door straight out.

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I zip the tin up a little bit more and

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.359
<v Speaker 1>I just watch him for a bit, and then after

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a little while he kind of goes up on the

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 1>rocks and beds down. So I try to make as

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 1>little as movement as possible and unzip the tent and

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 1>grab my gear and slip up into the rocks to

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>try to get out of view. At one point I

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 1>thought I could come up level with the goat and

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 1>make about a seventy yard shot straight across, but it

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>might be able to see me. And the wind was

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a little finicky, and I was like, WHOA, just be patient,

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Why are you rushing. It's opening morning.

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 8>You gotta go.

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>It's betted, you know, Just take the long way round,

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 1>and it just worked out textbook.

0:42:58.920 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 7>You know.

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>It came all the way round out of you came

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>over the top. I knew kind of where I'd want

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:06.720
<v Speaker 1>to shoot from and it would be a close shot,

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:08.479
<v Speaker 1>and so I just started looking around.

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:09.880
<v Speaker 8>Sure enough, I peek.

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Over to my left and there there's the top of

0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:16.239
<v Speaker 1>a goat's back right there. So I range find it

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>thirty one yards and I could tell the direction of

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:19.479
<v Speaker 1>the goat is coming.

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.320
<v Speaker 8>And as soon as the top of its back.

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Breaks the ridge, I come to full draw. It takes

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.320
<v Speaker 1>two more steps and it's given me a perfect broadside

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>shot and it's looking away from me, and I just

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 1>give it a nice double lung, clean break thirty one

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>yards passed through the goat turned spins, goes about twenty

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>yards and falls over. And it's like ten o'clock in

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the morning, opening morning. Gotta goat down solo with my bow.

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, the range trickling down. But it's not bad.

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 8>That just happened. So that evening.

0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>The pilot texts me after he got done with his

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 1>bear tours for the and said, hey, I could get

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you at one o'clock.

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 8>Can you make that?

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, man, it's only a mile. It's straight downhill,

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 1>but it's a mile. It's like no problem. And I

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 1>even start looking at photos, thinking, man, the route I

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>went up was okay, but I reader I seen a

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>couple of ridges that now that I'm up top, maybe

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 1>I could cut over a little bit.

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 8>And make an even better route down.

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 1>So wake up this morning. I'm like, I don't even

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 1>eat breakfast or coffee this morning. I just get in

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a gotta go mode, suck it down tight everything's on

0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 1>there because I'm gonna have to beat some brush.

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna have to go.

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Down some cliffs, some rocky stuff, and I'm going down

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>this other area. And I could tell right off the

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:47.320
<v Speaker 1>bat like man, maybe I should have sticked to the

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 1>route I was familiar with. And that's always a little

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>bit of a gamble there too. So I start going

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:56.160
<v Speaker 1>down through the brush and it's getting steeper and steeper.

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>So I'm coming down through these alders. I got one

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>trek and pull in my hand. I got a full goat,

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 1>all the hide, all the meat, and all my spike

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>camp and gear, and then all my camera gear on

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>top of it. And I'm just pushing through this brush

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 1>and keeps catching my pack, catching my pack, and I

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 1>pushed through it.

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 8>At one point, well, my.

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Pack was getting caught, and when I pushed through, my

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>body went forward and my left leg stayed where it was,

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and I just hear this pop in my left leg,

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just down on the ground on my face.

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I got all my load and packing gear and everything

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:38.879
<v Speaker 1>on top of me, and my left leg is screaming,

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I'm laying there and I

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 1>instantly knew something bad just happened to my leg, you know,

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>immediately I go back to that internal dialogue. Okay, I'm

0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>on a steep mountain side, I'm really high up.

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 8>I'm solo.

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm fifty miles into the wilderness by air plane.

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 8>You got lue leg. What can you do?

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But I sat down on my butt, got my whole

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 1>pack and everything on, and I just start scooting from

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.120
<v Speaker 1>one alderbush to the other a little bit out of time.

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I just get in this. Okay, you gotta move. You

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>can't stay here. You gotta move. And I start scooting down,

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>scooting down, going from alderbush all the bush and I'm

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 1>just on my butt plowing through salmon Berry's that are

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:28.439
<v Speaker 1>four foot tall. And at one point I come out

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 1>of this thick shrubbery and it's just this open face

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and there's no alders.

0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 8>It's just wide open and there's a.

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Little trickle water, little waterfall going down the middle of it,

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's straight down. I'm at the top of it,

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>and there's I can't climb back up. I got one

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 1>hundred plus pounds on my back. I got nothing to

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 1>grab onto and I'm thinking, I can't move. I need

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of my pack or I'm going to

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 1>fall down this face. And so I had to cut

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 1>my pack loose. And it was a nerve and terrifying,

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, you have like at the moment, you know,

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of thinking, Man, I've spent all year shooting

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>my boat, preparing now my two thousand dollars bow, I'm

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 1>about to let rip down to this mountain.

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 8>But you got to come to terms with.

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Yourself, Like Caleb, it's you or the gear. You're about

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 1>to fall, Like, make a decision. And I let that

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 1>pack roll and it just starts going end over and over,

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just watching stuff fly.

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:28.480
<v Speaker 8>You know, it's going through the trees.

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>But I'm watching it because the bottom line is it

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.320
<v Speaker 1>still got my tent and my sleeping bank. I'm hurt,

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>but worst case scenario and I can get in my

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 1>sleeping bag. I get my tent of a super bright

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.719
<v Speaker 1>orange tint for this exact reason, and somebody could come

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>find me if they need to, and I will survive.

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>But I watch it roll all the way down, and

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:54.239
<v Speaker 1>then I was able to maneuver and scoot on my

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:57.360
<v Speaker 1>butt get down this waterfall, and finally get down to

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:00.919
<v Speaker 1>my pack. Now I'm on kind of this platte that's

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>about one hundred yards across before it drops down again.

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 1>And so I'm like, Okay, I can't scoot on my

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>butt across here. I need to find out can I

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 1>put weight on my leg? And if I can't put

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 1>on weight on my leg, now it's time to determine

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 1>do I need to get rescued or can I make

0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:19.720
<v Speaker 1>this happen?

0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:20.360
<v Speaker 8>Yes or no?

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 1>And first I stand up without the pack. I put

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 1>weight on the inside of my leg, and I mean,

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>talk about a terrifying experience I've never felt before. Worried

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>that my leg's gonna collapse, my bone's gonna stick out

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the side of my shin or something. Right, and I

0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>stand up and everything's pretty good. And then I take

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>about two steps and I put weight on the outside

0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 1>of my leg and dam I'm just dropped instantly right

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:51.080
<v Speaker 1>on my face. And at that point, I was thinking

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:54.000
<v Speaker 1>about ditching my gear ditch and my goat ditch and

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.839
<v Speaker 1>my goat meat. So that's not an easy decision to

0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>just be like should I ditch everything and go for it?

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 8>So I'm like, okay, well, let me just see what's

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 8>going on.

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I put my whole pack on and I kind of

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 1>hobbled a little bit six inches.

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.360
<v Speaker 8>It's like, okay, so you can move forward. So I

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:13.439
<v Speaker 8>just start doing that.

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I took my knife and I cut a couple piece

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of alders as crutches as little checking poles, and I

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:22.879
<v Speaker 1>can move six inches at a time. And it's like, yeah,

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't move fast, but I can move. And then

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I also was like, man, you got a repelling harness

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and climbing rope, so if you get into a hairy situation,

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 1>rope up, and then you want to at least fall

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 1>off the mountain. And so I start pushing forward and

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 1>get down back into some cliff faces, and I come

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to an area and I'm like Okay, I can repel

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:47.879
<v Speaker 1>from this point to this point below me. I could

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>re anchor up, work my way down a creek bed

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.800
<v Speaker 1>about a quarter mile and make it back to the

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:59.839
<v Speaker 1>lake and I'm home free, and so roll my pack over,

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 1>and I realized in that moment that my rope was gone.

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>It was somewhere on the mountain above me, and I

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 1>had no idea and I did not even realize that

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I lost it when I cut my pack loose. And

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 1>it took me another five hours to get down there

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 1>from that point. So I finally made it off, soaking wet.

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>My rain gear and everything is just completely shredded, but

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 1>came off the mountain missing a lot of gear, but

0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>had all my meat, had my hide, had my goat.

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Got to the landing strip ten minutes before the pilot landed.

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 8>So I got back to.

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:42.880
<v Speaker 1>The orthopedic surgeon and the basic diagnose was at a

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.000
<v Speaker 1>full thickness rupture.

0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 8>Of the ACL.

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I had a tear in my PCL of moderate grade

0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 1>sprain in my LCL and my MCL. I had a

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 1>fracture in one of my bones in my knee, and

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 1>my entire knee was full of fluid from the trauma

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:05.120
<v Speaker 1>of not only falling, but repeatedly falling down the mountain.

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>That sounded painful and stressful. It's hard to imagine what

0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 2>it would feel like to have that happen to you

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:18.440
<v Speaker 2>that far back, and that alone. That goat hunting is

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 2>not for the faint of heart. And this just happened

0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 2>in August of twenty twenty three, so we hope that

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 2>you're healing up strong, Caleb. He hosts a podcast called

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 2>The Alaska Outdoors Podcast that you can find online if

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you want to learn more about what he's up to.

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Our final storyteller is none other than Meat Eater's own

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Steven Ranella. I'm grateful that he told this story, and

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I think you'll come to understand why he hasn't told

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 2>it at length before. I'd advise parents to listen to

0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:55.319
<v Speaker 2>this one first before you decide if it's age appropriate

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 2>for your kids.

0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Here's Steve.

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 9>I spend about, you know, usually added up a month

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.919
<v Speaker 9>or so in Alaska every year. Most of the time

0:52:07.960 --> 0:52:11.319
<v Speaker 9>I spend in Alaska. The biggest block of time I

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 9>spend in Alaska is when I spend two weeks every

0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 9>summer at a fish shack.

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:18.399
<v Speaker 3>We have on an Island in.

0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 9>Southeast Alaska, and that's largely where this story takes place.

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 9>This is a story I've never told publicly, and I

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.719
<v Speaker 9>hesitate to do it now. Almost a problem for me

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 9>is as a writer and someone who does TV. So

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:37.239
<v Speaker 9>many of the stories I have, I use them as

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:40.320
<v Speaker 9>quick as I make them. But this story never really

0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:44.239
<v Speaker 9>fits in. It just doesn't fit in any place. It

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:46.360
<v Speaker 9>has to do with a guy I grew up with,

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 9>a friend of mine named Eric Kern. We went to

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 9>school together, so we different elementary schools because we were

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.520
<v Speaker 9>a little bit far apart, but then they put us

0:52:57.520 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 9>in the same you know, junior high. We went to

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:06.120
<v Speaker 9>high school together. I have just all these memories with

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 9>him as kids, like.

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Details, you know, weird details.

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:14.400
<v Speaker 9>I remember one time me and him were sitting on

0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 9>the Pure Marquette River in Michigan with our girlfriends and

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:21.720
<v Speaker 9>we kind of thought it was raining in a weird

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:23.640
<v Speaker 9>way a little bit, and then we realized we were

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 9>sitting had a campfire underneath a couple of trees that

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:31.920
<v Speaker 9>were just loaded with turkeys, and there was so many

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 9>droppings hitting the ground that it made it seem like

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.279
<v Speaker 9>a weird light rain shower coming through and I remember it.

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 9>His mom bought this heater for their house that burned

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 9>cherry pits. She would buy these big truckloads of cherry

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 9>pits and he'd have to go out in his driveway

0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:53.359
<v Speaker 9>and rake them around in the sun till they got

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 9>all dried out. She could use them to burn. And

0:53:57.920 --> 0:53:59.719
<v Speaker 9>but one of the bigger decisions in my life he

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.360
<v Speaker 9>was involved in. So when we got out of high school,

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:05.319
<v Speaker 9>of course we went to regular college. We both went

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.759
<v Speaker 9>to regular college in Michigan, and then he split and

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:12.280
<v Speaker 9>he he came out to Montana to do a PhD program.

0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:15.080
<v Speaker 3>And it took me, like I think, it took me

0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:15.880
<v Speaker 3>an extra semester.

0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it took me an extra semester to finish college

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:19.239
<v Speaker 9>because I kind of.

0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Bumped around a lot to different schools.

0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:25.839
<v Speaker 9>And when I decided to go to graduate school, I

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.319
<v Speaker 9>got accepted with a full ride at Colorado State. But

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.840
<v Speaker 9>now I got accepted just regular accepted to a graduate

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 9>program in Montana. And you know, all logic would say

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.640
<v Speaker 9>that you'd go to the place you didn't have to

0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:42.880
<v Speaker 9>pay to go. But Eric came home and he was

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 9>in Montana, and he really wanted me to go to

0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:47.759
<v Speaker 9>Montana and me and him were down in this bar

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 9>I'm sure it's not there anymore called bo Nicky's, and

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 9>sitting in bow Nicky's. Man, if it was there, I

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 9>could show you exactly where we were sitting. And he

0:54:56.239 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 9>convinced me, based on hunting and fishing information, he convinced

0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 9>me to go to Montana for graduate school, and that,

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 9>you know, changed my life. I met all the is,

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 9>I met all these writers, and you know, became a

0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.680
<v Speaker 9>writer and had things happen to me that wouldn't have

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 9>happened otherwise, it'd have been a completely different path if

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 9>we hadn't had that conversation in that bar. As we

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 9>got older, you know, I was I was the best

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 9>man in his wedding. He stood in my wedding. You know,

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:31.880
<v Speaker 9>we got older, yet we had children. Eric had a daughter.

0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.440
<v Speaker 9>We lived near each other. I would oftentimes, you know,

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 9>stay at his house for extended periods of time. He

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.920
<v Speaker 9>would come up to my fish shack every summer, and

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:44.279
<v Speaker 9>it was just an annual tradition, and we just kind

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 9>of fell into this habit of just being friends and

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:52.280
<v Speaker 9>not thinking about it much. Eric eventually had this horrible

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 9>tragedy and one of the reasons I don't like to

0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 9>talk about this is because Eric survived. He survived by

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 9>his wife. He's a very very dear friend of mine,

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 9>and they lost their daughter in a automobile accident, and

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:10.920
<v Speaker 9>it was she didn't die immediately. It was just it

0:56:10.960 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 9>was the most brutal thing I've ever witnessed. And we

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:16.880
<v Speaker 9>spent time down there with them, my wife and I

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.640
<v Speaker 9>spent time. I spent time down there with them and

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:23.839
<v Speaker 9>in a hospital down in Denver. It was just the

0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 9>most horrible thing I've witnessed. And Eric's wife was just

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:33.239
<v Speaker 9>like so, you know, resilient and ultimately, but it was

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:38.240
<v Speaker 9>it was terrible on Eric. And about a year, maybe

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 9>a year after this, we're up at our fishek like

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.359
<v Speaker 9>we would do every summer he would come up, we'd

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 9>fish halbit and I have all these pictures of him

0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 9>over the years holding different halibit and stuff. And one summer,

0:56:51.719 --> 0:56:54.239
<v Speaker 9>a couple of years prior to this, he and I

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:58.239
<v Speaker 9>had been out fishing in with some other guys and

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 9>we're two different boats and we're coming back in pretty

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 9>rough season.

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 3>We finally made it into sheltered water and.

0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:07.839
<v Speaker 9>The waves are so bad we couldn't see the boat

0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:09.400
<v Speaker 9>behind us, and so we're just kind of hanging out

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 9>in this little sheltered channel waiting to find out what

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 9>happened to the boat behind us, make sure they're all right.

0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:16.439
<v Speaker 9>And that took a mooch and rod, so like a big,

0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 9>you know, ten foot very light action salmon rod, and

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 9>had this little teeny bucktail jig, and I decided to

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:25.920
<v Speaker 9>drop it down and see if I could jig up

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:29.480
<v Speaker 9>a little rockfish in this little channel, and hooked into

0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 9>this pretty nice hal but about a forty pound halbit.

0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 9>We had such a riot land in that halbit on

0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.800
<v Speaker 9>that little jig, on that mooch and rod, and it

0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:40.280
<v Speaker 9>shredded this little bucktail jig. The only thing left was

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:44.880
<v Speaker 9>like the lead head and some thread. And I came

0:57:44.920 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 9>back and stuck that bucktail jig in a two by

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:51.920
<v Speaker 9>four doorframe and it lived there. And it was there

0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 9>that summer following the death of Eric's daughter. And the

0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 9>weirdest thing, man, is uh. At that time we had

0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:04.240
<v Speaker 9>this at our fish shack. We had this pro pane

0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:09.480
<v Speaker 9>refrigerator and it was old there was always given us problems,

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:14.760
<v Speaker 9>and we had a carbon monoxide detector that sat next

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 9>to that that sat next to that fridge because it

0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 9>was always given us problems with the combustion element on there.

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 9>And Eric was up and our carbon monoxide detector goes

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 9>off by the fridge, and me and my brother Danny

0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:31.160
<v Speaker 9>get down there and we looked around. We figure out

0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 9>the problem. I don't want to go into a bunch

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 9>of details, but this little apparatus had become like kind

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:41.680
<v Speaker 9>of discombobulated, so it wasn't burning efficiently. Got it fixed,

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 9>The carbon monoxide detector was still fine. Left it there

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 9>next to the fridge. The carbon monoxide detector wouldn't never

0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:49.360
<v Speaker 9>went off.

0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:52.800
<v Speaker 3>But Eric, he.

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:55.360
<v Speaker 9>Refused to sleep inside of that fish shack for the

0:58:55.360 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 9>rest of that trip. Was so concerned about carbon monoxide

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:02.479
<v Speaker 9>that he would not sleep inside of that fish shack.

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Okay. He in other.

0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:11.640
<v Speaker 9>Words, he wanted to hang on to life with such

0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 9>tenacity that he wouldn't sleep in there. Meanwhile, I'm in

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 9>there with my kids, okay. And if you want to

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 9>talk about holding on to life with tenacity, I hold

0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:30.360
<v Speaker 9>on to my children's lives with great tenacity. And had

0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:32.920
<v Speaker 9>I thought there was any issue being in that shack,

0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 9>I would never have allowed that my kid to be

0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 9>in there, but I knew it was fine, the detector

0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:41.320
<v Speaker 9>was fine. But that that always sticks in my head, man,

0:59:41.840 --> 0:59:44.960
<v Speaker 9>that he wouldn't sleep in there. He slept outside. But

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:51.960
<v Speaker 9>then he goes home. And there's like so many details

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:53.919
<v Speaker 9>of this i'd give, but I don't want to give,

0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:57.080
<v Speaker 9>just like I already feel like I'm violating. I feel

0:59:57.080 --> 0:59:59.840
<v Speaker 9>like I'm violating some level of respect just talking about it.

1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:04.040
<v Speaker 9>There's so many details i'd give, but he goes home

1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:09.000
<v Speaker 9>and takes his own life, and like that little detail

1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.360
<v Speaker 9>about that carbon monoxi ideal just always will stick in

1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:17.040
<v Speaker 9>my head. So the last place I saw him was

1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:22.080
<v Speaker 9>there at the shack fish and Halibit And we really

1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.280
<v Speaker 9>have any kind of decorations in our shack, but we

1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:28.720
<v Speaker 9>keep a big picture of Eric in the shack. So

1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.480
<v Speaker 9>every time I go to Alaska, most of every time

1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:34.240
<v Speaker 9>I go to Alaska and I walk into that shack,

1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:37.640
<v Speaker 9>he's there and all and so many of our friends

1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:42.200
<v Speaker 9>from from those years that knew him well hang out there.

1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:47.400
<v Speaker 9>And it's like that single picture has turned.

1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:49.120
<v Speaker 8>It.

1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:52.280
<v Speaker 9>Like the single picture in the shack almost makes the

1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:53.200
<v Speaker 9>shack like a.

1:00:55.000 --> 1:00:56.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, man, like a mausoleum.

1:00:57.440 --> 1:01:00.280
<v Speaker 9>It's not overpowering, but it's just there and and I

1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:02.400
<v Speaker 9>always have this tight association with.

1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:07.240
<v Speaker 3>You know, that shack with Alaska.

1:01:07.040 --> 1:01:09.960
<v Speaker 9>With him having seen him there, and it's just in

1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:14.400
<v Speaker 9>that setting sticks in my mind. Well, I'll tell you

1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:18.520
<v Speaker 9>something that we wrote below the picture. There's this Rudyard

1:01:18.600 --> 1:01:23.360
<v Speaker 9>Kipling poem. In the poem, I memorize the poemhen I've

1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:27.520
<v Speaker 9>always liked it. It goes, what of the hunting hunter?

1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:32.920
<v Speaker 9>Bold brother? The watch was long and cold? What of

1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:35.080
<v Speaker 9>the quarry you went to kill?

1:01:35.920 --> 1:01:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Brother? He crops in the jungle? Still? Where is the

1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:43.480
<v Speaker 3>power that made your pride? Brother?

1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:49.000
<v Speaker 9>It ebbs from my flank inside? Where is the haste

1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:50.160
<v Speaker 9>that you hurry by?

1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Brother? I go to my lair to die?

1:01:56.360 --> 1:02:00.479
<v Speaker 9>And so on the bottom of the picture we wrote

1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:05.120
<v Speaker 9>where is the haste that you hurry by? And if

1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:08.520
<v Speaker 9>there's a thing I think about, man like, if there's

1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:10.520
<v Speaker 9>a useful part of this, if there's a.

1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:14.160
<v Speaker 3>Justification for kind of sharing this, it's that you.

1:02:14.400 --> 1:02:22.680
<v Speaker 9>Really don't know what's going on with the people around you.

1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:28.200
<v Speaker 9>And if there's people you're concerned about, you have to

1:02:28.240 --> 1:02:30.280
<v Speaker 9>pay attention and you have.

1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:32.760
<v Speaker 3>To be more than a detective.

1:02:33.920 --> 1:02:37.600
<v Speaker 9>Right, He wouldn't sleep in a room because a carbon

1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:42.760
<v Speaker 9>monoxide detector went off in that room. How do you

1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:48.440
<v Speaker 9>know what's going on with people? A friend of mine

1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:52.960
<v Speaker 9>lost a buddy of his to suicide, and he was

1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:54.920
<v Speaker 9>telling me one day that now when he asks people

1:02:54.960 --> 1:02:57.760
<v Speaker 9>how they're doing, and they go good, he said, and

1:02:57.760 --> 1:03:00.600
<v Speaker 9>I always follow up with, but how are you really doing?

1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:05.760
<v Speaker 9>And I think that that's important, and I don't always

1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:08.560
<v Speaker 9>take that advice. But the thing is, when I go

1:03:08.600 --> 1:03:11.800
<v Speaker 9>to Alaska and I walk into our shack, I'm reminded

1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:16.160
<v Speaker 9>of that all the time. And perhaps hearing about this,

1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:20.479
<v Speaker 9>you know, will maybe change something someone does.

1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:22.320
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the last thing I'll say about it. As folks

1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:31.120
<v Speaker 9>have pieced together the chronology of events, I can tell

1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:34.840
<v Speaker 9>you that I feel that if someone had called him

1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:37.200
<v Speaker 9>that morning, you know, and said, like, how you doing,

1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:38.680
<v Speaker 9>I feel like he'd still be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Suicide isn't something that's fun to talk about, and honestly,

1:03:54.240 --> 1:03:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I never thought it would come up on this podcast,

1:03:56.840 --> 1:04:00.080
<v Speaker 2>but it's incredibly relevant to this day and age, and

1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:03.120
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't take long to find the staggering statistics of

1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the people who take their own lives each year The

1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:11.080
<v Speaker 2>reasons are too varied and too complex to address right now,

1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:15.920
<v Speaker 2>but what Steve emphasized is well taken in that as friends,

1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:19.040
<v Speaker 2>we need to work to be more aware, we need

1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:21.920
<v Speaker 2>to probe for deeper answers, and we need to stay

1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:23.360
<v Speaker 2>close to the people.

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<v Speaker 3>That we call our friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe the tables are turned and you're the person

1:04:28.920 --> 1:04:32.600
<v Speaker 2>that's in crisis listening right now, and in that case,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you that you are valuable enough

1:04:37.000 --> 1:04:40.040
<v Speaker 2>and that your life is meaningful enough that if you're

1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:43.920
<v Speaker 2>hiding some deep stuff, find a way to share it

1:04:44.240 --> 1:04:48.920
<v Speaker 2>with someone you trust. I personally find incredible hope in

1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the midst of trying times of which me and my

1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:55.360
<v Speaker 2>family have had our fair share, and that hope for

1:04:55.440 --> 1:04:59.160
<v Speaker 2>me I find in a personal connection with God for

1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:03.600
<v Speaker 2>me that is very very real, very functional, very powerful

1:05:04.240 --> 1:05:08.520
<v Speaker 2>and available to all. I can't thank you enough for

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Bear Grease. We've all got a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>be thankful for this fall, and I wish you the

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<v Speaker 2>best in your hunting.

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<v Speaker 3>Good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're out there, elk hunting, whitetail hunting, bear hunting,

1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:25.000
<v Speaker 2>squirrel hunting, grouse hunting, whatever you're doing, be careful out there,

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<v Speaker 2>love it. I hope you guys all have a great week,

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<v Speaker 2>and I look forward to talking to all those folks

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<v Speaker 2>on the Render next week.