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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we're going to start off by arguing
Speaker 1: about what constitutes the science fiction movie and will that
Speaker 1: take up most of the podcast potentially potentially because it's
Speaker 1: been taking up most of our life in the group chat.
Speaker 1: And then we will be presenting our faith.
Speaker 3: Each of us will.
Speaker 1: Present our five favorite science fiction movies, see if the
Speaker 1: judging panel of our peers agrees with them, and then
Speaker 1: you will all be able to vote on whom do
Speaker 1: you think has the best five top science fiction films.
Speaker 2: And the democracy will take place across multiple platforms, mail
Speaker 2: in voting, DMS, post scored, wherever. However, you want to
Speaker 2: reach out to us and tell us whose list of
Speaker 2: five is the best, you go ahead and do that.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we are. We're about to put up our
Speaker 2: x Ray Vision crew list of our favorite sci fi
Speaker 2: movies that are not Star Wars. Oh yes, important, No,
Speaker 2: Star Wars and no Star Wars, and we may exclude
Speaker 2: other things. But first let's introduce the crew. It's me Jason,
Speaker 2: it's you Rosie, of course, but let's welcome in the
Speaker 2: Superducer team for today.
Speaker 1: Joelle, how are you yo?
Speaker 4: Devastated to learn that so many people don't know what's that.
Speaker 1: Coming out?
Speaker 2: I haven't even introduced everybody Else's no ability for everybody
Speaker 2: else to retort. Super producer Aboo.
Speaker 5: Welcome, great to be here. I'm personally devastated that Joel
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to know what sci fi is.
Speaker 2: But wait, okay, okay, hold on, please college calm down.
Speaker 2: And finally, our final super producer, Carmen. Carmen welcome, thank you.
Speaker 6: Hello. I am just here because I love to discourse,
Speaker 6: so I cannot wait to discourse.
Speaker 3: I came to be messy.
Speaker 1: She's like, I can't. She's like, my android phone has
Speaker 1: been messing up the iPhone group chat, and please let's
Speaker 1: not get into that.
Speaker 2: It is. I mean, there's a multiverse right now where
Speaker 2: different versions of ourselves are taking place, are discoursing in
Speaker 2: different group chats through time, and we don't even know
Speaker 2: where they all are. It's like messages are only going
Speaker 2: to like different people in the group chat at different
Speaker 2: times in different places. Anyway, here's the question before us today,
Speaker 2: what are the best? What are our personal best non
Speaker 2: Star Wars sci fis? So as we prepare to answer
Speaker 2: that question, let's first talk about what is sci fi?
Speaker 2: I think we all have our own ideas about what
Speaker 2: it is and what it looks like. But much like
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court's definition of pornography from like thirty years ago, now.
Speaker 1: It also feels like it's kind of a know it
Speaker 1: when you see its situation.
Speaker 2: Yea, and I think the borders of sci fi are,
Speaker 2: you know, from person to person or a lot more
Speaker 2: porous and a morphous than uh than perhaps the standard
Speaker 2: definition whatever that is. So let's talk about it first.
Speaker 1: What Joel, I.
Speaker 2: Feel you like bucking in the in the pen ready
Speaker 2: to be released?
Speaker 1: We got it, we gotta we have. Because Joel doesn't
Speaker 1: even think that Star Wars is a science fiction THEA,
Speaker 1: let's start there, Joe, what is what is your definition
Speaker 1: of sci fi?
Speaker 4: Okay, so for listeners, this started in the group chat
Speaker 4: or like what and I was like, well, it's gotta
Speaker 4: absolutely like have science in it. It's science fiction. It's
Speaker 4: the whole points analyze science. Okay, And people are like,
Speaker 4: you actually don't need science, which is bananas. Why even
Speaker 4: call it science fiction if you're not gonna have science
Speaker 4: as a base element of the film.
Speaker 3: Okay, it doesn't make sense to me. Star Wars is
Speaker 3: a fantasy. No, there's no elements we did not see either,
Speaker 3: no testtoobs. We're not.
Speaker 4: You know, there are droids, which I might make an
Speaker 4: argument for making a film a sci fi in a minute,
Speaker 4: so I might have to eat crow on this.
Speaker 3: We do have droids.
Speaker 4: We have robots on planet Earth. But here's here's why
Speaker 4: it makes a difference. Okay, here's why I don't count it.
Speaker 4: I like Asimov. Isaac Asimov a writer, foundation and many
Speaker 4: other side. He's one of the Big three or whatever.
Speaker 4: His thoughts on what science fiction are is that it's
Speaker 4: mankind's reaction to science and technology. Okay, And in Star Wars,
Speaker 4: we're not. We're like, droids are just there. They're so commonplace.
Speaker 4: This is no, not a reaction or instated into the storytellers.
Speaker 2: So let me just to just to clarify for the audience. Yes,
Speaker 2: your position is that because there is no discussion of
Speaker 2: how say light Speed works or you know the science, yeah,
Speaker 2: or the science behind how the artifical artificial intelligence of
Speaker 2: Droid's work. Therefore, Star Wars is not a sci fi.
Speaker 2: So that's your position, which, by the way, I'm respecting, right, No,
Speaker 2: I appreciate that you No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're not in, if the characters are not
Speaker 4: engaging with the science or technology, it's not.
Speaker 2: Can I can I as a pushback? As a slight pushback?
Speaker 1: Aren't.
Speaker 2: Hasn't this kind of market and efficiency been corrected by
Speaker 2: the creation or the acknowledgment of the sci fi sub
Speaker 2: genre hard sci fi?
Speaker 3: Because hard sci fi is because.
Speaker 2: Hard sci fi is more of the you know three
Speaker 2: body problem foundation.
Speaker 4: Sure, you know what's an actual scientific theory?
Speaker 2: Rightly?
Speaker 3: You know sci fi?
Speaker 4: Right if Freakinsteign kicks off the genre that's not based
Speaker 4: in anything scientifically factual, and it doesn't need to be.
Speaker 4: It is based in this idea of like, what is
Speaker 4: the possibility of science? And if we rely and lean
Speaker 4: into it, how does that affect us as Hugh? How
Speaker 4: does it change how we see ourselves as human? And
Speaker 4: I really like that. I think for me that's what
Speaker 4: the category of sci fi is trying to accomplish.
Speaker 2: Okay, does anybody have any drastically different definitions of sci fi?
Speaker 1: For a control?
Speaker 2: Well, I uh, I've said my piece. I will push
Speaker 2: back later, but does anybody have a drastic like a
Speaker 2: polar opposite?
Speaker 1: So I know you've got at least some thoughts on this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think my definition of sci fi, rather than
Speaker 5: being the polar opposite here is more that my sci
Speaker 5: fi umbrella is just much bigger. It encompasses so much more.
Speaker 5: For me, a lot of science fiction is speculative storytelling,
Speaker 5: and that encompasses a lot of different subgenres, of which
Speaker 5: hard hard science fiction is certainly one. But you have
Speaker 5: your dystopian sci fi genres that aren't necessarily grounded in
Speaker 5: this one piece of technology caused the dystopia U. We're
Speaker 5: certainly going to be debating one of those films later
Speaker 5: on today, and so for me, the for me, science
Speaker 5: fiction is a genre of storytelling that really turns a
Speaker 5: mirror on humanity through whatever device or setting that it
Speaker 5: may be, right, whether it's we're set in a dystopian
Speaker 5: world and we are taking a look at humanity through
Speaker 5: that lens and providing social commentary there, or we're in
Speaker 5: Star Trek and it's like zap zapp lasers and space battles.
Speaker 5: Both of those to me are equally science fiction because
Speaker 5: they are providing a level of social commentary through their settings, characters, technologies,
Speaker 5: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Can I can I with a gentle pushback as well,
Speaker 2: is name me any genre of storytelling that does not quote,
Speaker 2: turn a mirror on the human condition.
Speaker 5: I would say there are certainly genres of storytelling that
Speaker 5: are less focused on social or political commentary. I would say,
Speaker 5: for example, something like fourth Wing. While there are political
Speaker 5: elements in that story, I don't think that. I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think the main goal and the main message
Speaker 5: of that story is I am making a commentary on
Speaker 5: how humanity exists today. I think science fiction and the
Speaker 5: best of science fiction does that.
Speaker 2: Does anyone have any other meaningful critiques or things to
Speaker 2: add to the discussion of what is and what is
Speaker 2: not sci fi?
Speaker 1: I will just say I do think that sci fi.
Speaker 1: I am in the mindset of it being broader. Like
Speaker 1: one of the original posts, you know, Frankenstein by Mary Shelley,
Speaker 1: which is the first science fiction book. As much as
Speaker 1: other places would hate to give credit for that comment, Actually,
Speaker 1: why don't you jump in with your nerdy fact that
Speaker 1: you've put in the group chat, but did not feel
Speaker 1: brave enough to say against Joel.
Speaker 6: Well, yes, thank you for giving me the floor. I
Speaker 6: just wanted to say. Mary Shelley was so it was
Speaker 6: a dream. She had a nightmare she had, but she
Speaker 6: was inspired by a previous demonstration she had seen Luigi
Speaker 6: Galvani perform on a dead frog. He was a man
Speaker 6: from Italy who invented the Galvanic method. I only know
Speaker 6: about this because I was an esthetician for ten years
Speaker 6: and he made this dead frog move around using electricity,
Speaker 6: and later like she had a dream about it, and
Speaker 6: I guess dreamt that she could make a man come
Speaker 6: to life using electricity, and then wrote wrote the book.
Speaker 1: You know, I would say, like, that's eighteen seventeen. In
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy you have twenty thousand Leagues under the Sea
Speaker 1: by Jules Vern which might not seem like a science
Speaker 1: fiction story, but is very much in that space because
Speaker 1: he's going under the sea instead of into space. So
Speaker 1: I think the notion of exploring some kind of territory
Speaker 1: that we've never seen before, whether it's medical like Frankenstein,
Speaker 1: whether it is a space like underwater or whether it
Speaker 1: is a space like space. I think that the notion
Speaker 1: of needing to explore something new. I mean this even
Speaker 1: fits in with dystopias like you are in the Hunger Games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're making a commentary on humanity, but you're also imagining
Speaker 1: a way that technology and media could be used in
Speaker 1: a terrible way, kind of like nineteen eighty four. So
Speaker 1: I think it's also about imagining and embarking on a
Speaker 1: new location or a new technolog I think that has
Speaker 1: to be some kind of exploratory angle to it, even
Speaker 1: if you're just exploring a hypothetical of what could happen
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 2: I see I also have a I think a larger
Speaker 2: view of what sci fi is. I take the view
Speaker 2: of that to counter Joelle. I think, first of all,
Speaker 2: it would be too destabilizing to the.
Speaker 1: To the to the.
Speaker 2: DVD and labeling the genre marketplace, on the genre community
Speaker 2: to suddenly it would just be a massive upheaval. I
Speaker 2: think of like suddenly Star Wars is going to have
Speaker 2: to just be labeled fantasy. I think it'll be confusing
Speaker 2: to people, and I think that for me, I think
Speaker 2: sci fi is simply does the story have at its heart,
Speaker 2: as part of its like load bearing plot, have technology
Speaker 2: or devices that do not exist currently. I think it's
Speaker 2: for me. For me, I think it's it's really that simple.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to encounter in our discussions stories
Speaker 2: where you know it's on the border of maybe being
Speaker 2: a sci fi or maybe some something else. But then
Speaker 2: like characters have communication devices that seem advanced. To me,
Speaker 2: that's if it's just like a couple of devices, but
Speaker 2: it's not like central to the plot, it's not sci fi.
Speaker 2: Whereas if it's like back to the Future, to me,
Speaker 2: is sci fi because the whole thing is like time machine.
Speaker 2: Even though a lot of the story is not sci fi,
Speaker 2: none of the story happens because because if there is
Speaker 2: no time machine.
Speaker 1: So that's my tick. Does anybody have a problem that
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 5: I think making the cutoff there technology that does not
Speaker 5: exist today undercuts like ninety percent of Black Mirror, right
Speaker 5: because Black Mirror, for me, I think it's at the
Speaker 5: core of sci fi is asking what if it's what
Speaker 5: if this thing was taken to an extreme or this
Speaker 5: is the direction humanity went, what would happen? How would
Speaker 5: we react, What would that mean politically socially? And so
Speaker 5: I think making the cutoffs something that doesn't exist today
Speaker 5: excludes quite a bit of sci fi that asks the
Speaker 5: what if question? What if ai xyz? What if you
Speaker 5: know this this technology had this effect on the environment
Speaker 5: with stuff that's already happening today.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I take your point, But now does anybody have any
Speaker 2: issues with it?
Speaker 1: Here's my retort. I think a lot of black.
Speaker 2: Mirror is like, what if we were even more addicted
Speaker 2: to our phones than we are? What if this technology
Speaker 2: exists has driven us completely to one side of the spectrum?
Speaker 1: Is that sci fi? Or is that social commentary? To me?
Speaker 2: Existing technology? Plus, uh, look at the way we are
Speaker 2: engaging with this a story that hinges on, look at
Speaker 2: our relationship to this technology is social commentary. Allah uh,
Speaker 2: animal farm and not necessarily sci fi.
Speaker 1: That's my I agree with that. I know I would
Speaker 1: also say I think that the issue. I guess it's
Speaker 1: not an issue. This is the kind of conversation we
Speaker 1: can have because we love this stuff and we watch
Speaker 1: it and we can buy all the time and get
Speaker 1: really granular. But I also think we got to about
Speaker 1: the fact that like ninety of a viewing audience who
Speaker 1: put on an episode of Black Mirror and it's about
Speaker 1: like an evil iPad or whatever. They're like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is sci fi, Okay, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, I think, I think some entry point, it's a
Speaker 2: lot of I think a lot of Black Mirror is
Speaker 2: sci fi, but I think a lot of it isn't.
Speaker 1: Like, for instance, the very first Black Mirror.
Speaker 2: Episode of you know, the guy who gets the president
Speaker 2: of the Pig and the Pig?
Speaker 1: Is that sci fi? It's actually not sci fi? I
Speaker 1: will agree with that, Okay, So I guess it's an
Speaker 1: episode by episode breakdown.
Speaker 2: Right while the work now Sandra Depero sci fi true,
Speaker 2: John Hamm and the Ai sci fi like, but some
Speaker 2: of it isn't.
Speaker 1: Some of it isn't okay. I also have to bring
Speaker 1: up because I think this would be a question that
Speaker 1: at least one person would ask. We are not including
Speaker 1: Star Wars ops, and I think that you'll see from
Speaker 1: our pics we are not including a lot of bigger
Speaker 1: franchises in general. Yes, but let's quickly talk about the
Speaker 1: the Disney shaped elephant in the room, which is that
Speaker 1: going by a lot of our uh kind of reasoning
Speaker 1: that we have laid out here, the MCU, Iron Man,
Speaker 1: Black Panther, those are very much in our sci fi
Speaker 1: space we are I think we're not including them because
Speaker 1: of the same reason of Star Wars. We want to
Speaker 1: talk to you guys about movies maybe you haven't seen,
Speaker 1: or movies that we really love. But isn't it interesting
Speaker 1: to me if I think of the MCU, I don't
Speaker 1: think sci fi just off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: But I was going through the movies and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: Black Panther is definitely sci fi and always has been
Speaker 1: since it was first created an Iron Man. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: version we get of it in the MCU is extreme
Speaker 1: sci fi, and when you get to Endgame and there
Speaker 1: is like cosmic Battles, that is also sci fi. But
Speaker 1: I am going to put a disclaim head that there
Speaker 1: are no MCU movies in our pick well.
Speaker 2: I think the issue is this superhero, which I think
Speaker 2: has become now a genre of its own, is a
Speaker 2: super container that contains every genre. It can be a
Speaker 2: spy film, it can be a crime film, it can
Speaker 2: be a fantasy, it can be a family movie, it
Speaker 2: can be a sci fi and often it's often it's
Speaker 2: all of those things in one to you know, lesser
Speaker 2: or greater effect. So I think that's we're drilling down
Speaker 2: specifically on the one container that is sci fi to
Speaker 2: try and defind what what is Shall we go to
Speaker 2: our Okay, we talked about excluding Star Wars. Is there
Speaker 2: any does anybody here feel strongly about excluding anything else?
Speaker 3: I feel like Dune is just such an obvious answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that perhaps in the interest of exploring a large.
Speaker 1: Ready to go to l A. I agree with you, girl.
Speaker 1: If we're if we're not counting Star Wars, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, spoiler allat basically just June ripped off, then
Speaker 1: it makes sense that we would also not include June.
Speaker 1: I think. I mean Star.
Speaker 2: Wars is don't hold on, don't don't don't discount how
Speaker 2: much it also rips off foundation.
Speaker 1: Also like every Corsi. Yeah, yeah, but I would also
Speaker 1: say I think I think Dune would have been able
Speaker 1: to be included pre the Billine movies, which have exploded
Speaker 1: it to a whole different level. If you were coming
Speaker 1: here and you were like, I'm arguing that my favorite
Speaker 1: movie is David Lynch's Dune sci fi movie. You know,
Speaker 1: five years ago when none of these existed, I probably
Speaker 1: would have said, Okay, there's gonna be enough people who
Speaker 1: this will be like a new entry point two, that
Speaker 1: it's not so broad. But I think that now I
Speaker 1: think it is a big enough one that we also
Speaker 1: cut out.
Speaker 2: So looking at looking at our lists, here's what I
Speaker 2: think we're doing. And tell me if anybody disagrees with this.
Speaker 2: We're saying no Star Wars because you know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the big daddy of sci fi Joelle and
Speaker 2: all apologies to your particular critique. And I think Dune
Speaker 2: simply because of recency, let's put it away, because I
Speaker 2: think everybody. I think what we're kind of circling around
Speaker 2: here with our list is, hey, maybe you haven't seen
Speaker 2: this one, or this is a big movie but it
Speaker 2: came out twenty thirty years ago, and maybe you haven't
Speaker 2: seen it and you should watch it because it's maybe
Speaker 2: one that slips through the net.
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're doing. Do we agree?
Speaker 5: I agree?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: And so is does anything else rise to that level
Speaker 2: of like you've probably you know, like we don't need
Speaker 2: to discuss this Terminator for instance, or or Star Trek
Speaker 2: or Alienmina.
Speaker 1: I'm also going to say, like a movie that I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone has on our lists, which I would
Speaker 1: say two thousand and one A Space Odyssey, right, I
Speaker 1: would say, you've heard about it, seen as high as
Speaker 1: you go. I would also say I am interested because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of other big franchises like this,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I don't think any of us are
Speaker 1: going to include these, but like Planet of the Apes,
Speaker 1: that's definitely like one of those big sci fi franchises.
Speaker 2: How does Joel feel about it?
Speaker 3: Is it? I looked at it for a long time.
Speaker 3: Here's what.
Speaker 2: Definitely are right right, You're talking.
Speaker 1: Right right right.
Speaker 4: They're testing and they create these, you know, like hyperanals.
Speaker 3: So the new ones definitely are. The old ones might
Speaker 3: be more fantasy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I think yeah. The old ones are almost
Speaker 1: more like a old universe, post apocalyptic world kind of sur.
Speaker 2: There's very little science. The rocket ship.
Speaker 1: I do believe I was gonna say, I do believe
Speaker 1: that the notion of the movie is that you could
Speaker 1: go through space so fast and so long that you
Speaker 1: would end up in the future. So I'm like, could
Speaker 1: it be? But anyway, basically irrelevant because none of us
Speaker 1: picked them. Now, I will bring up one that I
Speaker 1: was considering a lot, and I'm not going to include
Speaker 1: because I do think this is too popular. But what
Speaker 1: about Godzilla? Because the original Godzilla movie from nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: four is about a nuclear bomb. It's about the evolution
Speaker 1: of like a dinosaur like creature. So and it started
Speaker 1: a subgenre kind of like Planet of the Apes did
Speaker 1: with this. But the Godzilla sub genre was, you know,
Speaker 1: kaiju science fiction. There's definitely movies like Godzilla versus Bolante
Speaker 1: where you have the movie where it's like the scientist
Speaker 1: is doing the experiments to create the kaiju. But I
Speaker 1: think that we are in a Godzilla, I think the
Speaker 1: renaissance right now. So I don't think we need to
Speaker 1: include those either.
Speaker 2: My thought is that is a very specific genre. Now
Speaker 2: that well, I agree with you. It might have started
Speaker 2: as like a sci fi offshoot. I think the monster Kaiju,
Speaker 2: Kaiju Monster, It's it's like the Blob, King Kong, Godzilla,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Yeah, yeah, Attack of the fifty the Woman
Speaker 2: great one.
Speaker 1: Yes, So okay, oh, that's I mean that where do
Speaker 1: we stand?
Speaker 2: We are where do we stand on the sub genre
Speaker 2: of shrinking or growing? Joel incredible shrinkingly.
Speaker 1: It absolutely fits into the notion of how we explained honey,
Speaker 1: I shrunk the kids, but like, yeah, incredible voyage. I think,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I loved the Incredible Voyage as a kid.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very interesting because I think,
Speaker 1: really what this is and what this conversation is is
Speaker 1: about the sci fi stories that speak to us and
Speaker 1: the kind of vibes. Now, I will say, wait.
Speaker 2: I just want to say one thing that I think
Speaker 2: that we've just should hammer this down. So growing into
Speaker 2: a monster sized monster movie, shrinking so that you could
Speaker 2: go inside a body or inside like between particles, science
Speaker 2: science fiction.
Speaker 1: Monsters.
Speaker 3: Okay, we gotta keep.
Speaker 1: We gotta make the rule book.
Speaker 3: Ye are we?
Speaker 1: Are we not? Are we thinking post Romulus post the
Speaker 1: kind of big boom with Alien f coming? Is Alien?
Speaker 1: Is Alien franchise out? Is it too big because it
Speaker 1: is science fiction?
Speaker 2: I think it's you think I think it is science fiction,
Speaker 2: and I think the alien movies are my sense, is
Speaker 2: their fair game?
Speaker 1: And then we can you know, we're going to debate these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when it comes up, But I think people
Speaker 2: should feel free to try it. It's not like Star Wars,
Speaker 2: where it's a hard exclude or do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, should we should we take a break and then
Speaker 2: get to our lists.
Speaker 6: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's take a quick.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 2: Okay. I'm gonna just say, our order of list is
Speaker 2: just gonna be my riverside window in clockwise order, starting
Speaker 2: in top left. So that means, Carmen, you're gonna start,
Speaker 2: You're gonna give us your here's what I think we
Speaker 2: should do. Let's all give our fives, and then we
Speaker 2: will go through and in the same order, we will
Speaker 2: vote on everybody's list. Carmen, what's your five?
Speaker 6: All right? So at the very top of my list
Speaker 6: is definitely my favorite sci fi movie and the one
Speaker 6: that I can remember seeing first that wasn't a Star
Speaker 6: Wars property, And this is the fifth element. I was
Speaker 6: like seven or eight years old. My dad was taking
Speaker 6: me into a Hi Fi buys and there was a
Speaker 6: home theater demonstration, and it was the scene where they're
Speaker 6: actually like generating Leelou's body and then putting like the
Speaker 6: clothes on her, and I remember being I remember being
Speaker 6: absolutely mesmerized by that, and I remember my dad being like,
Speaker 6: we gotta go, we gotta go, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 6: I'm watching this movie like this is cool. I love it. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's like it's I rewatch it constantly because to me,
Speaker 6: it's like the one of the gayest sci fi movies
Speaker 6: that exists. Chris Tucker is amazing a Mealy, Bruce Willis
Speaker 6: is at his peak of sexiness, costumes done by Jean
Speaker 6: Paul Gautier, amazing McDonald's costumes by Jean Paul Gautier. Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm there for it. And then the last thing that
Speaker 6: I'm still obsessed with today from this movie is the
Speaker 6: Chanelle branded I Makeup applicator where she puts it over
Speaker 6: and it instantly gives her an I makeup. Like we're
Speaker 6: still waiting for that in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's technology that doesn't exist.
Speaker 6: Yeah, next one is gonna be for me. You're gonna
Speaker 6: notice a big theme on minus cyberpunk. Ghost in the
Speaker 6: Shell love the original Ghost in the Show choice animated movie.
Speaker 6: It inspired the Matrix if you don't know, And yeah,
Speaker 6: it's it's one of these amazing stories of like transhumanism
Speaker 6: and if all of my parts are replaced with robotic parts.
Speaker 6: Am I human or am I a robot? Which is it?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: And so it's a very very interesting question of what
Speaker 6: makes someone a human and what makes somebody synthetic? And
Speaker 6: I just love that theme. Next one for me is
Speaker 6: one that I watched recently. This is nineteen ninety seven's Gatica.
Speaker 1: There's a banga movie, I you really pay.
Speaker 6: Gattica is a great one for me because aesthetically, I
Speaker 6: love the way that it combines film noir aesthetics with
Speaker 6: that kind of like sci fi aesthetic. And so I'm
Speaker 6: really obsessed with the film nor aesthetic, which we see
Speaker 6: in Blade Runner as well, and I love that that's
Speaker 6: like just so throughout Gatika, the hair, the makeup, the styling,
Speaker 6: the clothes. I don't the script doesn't even have to
Speaker 6: be good for me, y'all. It could just be about
Speaker 6: the aesthetics. Okay, okay. Next movie nineteen seventy four's or
Speaker 6: two thousand and four's The Stepford Wives. I rewatched it
Speaker 6: last night and I changed my mind. I'll tell you why.
Speaker 6: It's kind of a boring movie and not a lot happens.
Speaker 6: And then I realized, and then I realized, wait, Companion
Speaker 6: is a movie that I saw earlier this year that
Speaker 6: I'm absolutely obsessed with. And thematically they're not at all
Speaker 6: about the same thing. They're obviously about two separate things,
Speaker 6: but thematically, thematically, yeah, I think it touches on a
Speaker 6: lot of the same issues of what it's like to
Speaker 6: be a woman in a relationship that you feel powerless
Speaker 6: in and you feel like a piece of property in,
Speaker 6: you know. And so Companion is a great, I think
Speaker 6: upgraded version of the Stepford Wives.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I also think you saved yourself
Speaker 1: because Stepford Wives is definitely getting into that, like what
Speaker 1: does it count? Like where which version of it? What's
Speaker 1: the reveal at the end? Like you you depend on.
Speaker 6: That right exactly, And it's it's such a slow burn too,
Speaker 6: I'm like, damn.
Speaker 1: Call Companion definitely a science fiction yes, so what is it?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Is it so Stepford Wives? Is your is on your list?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 2: Or Companion has taken its.
Speaker 6: Companion has taken its place. But I wanted to tell
Speaker 6: a little story, Okay, okay, okay. And then my last
Speaker 6: one is of course the classic Blade Runner in nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty two. I live that it combines the film noir
Speaker 6: aesthetic with the cyberpunk aesthetic, which I think this is
Speaker 6: probably one of the films that like really establishes the
Speaker 6: cyberpunk I think.
Speaker 2: You're I can feel the audience screaming, which cut Carmen,
Speaker 2: which yeah, common.
Speaker 6: Look, can I be honest with you all? When I
Speaker 6: go to the movies, I am the I have the
Speaker 6: propeller hat on, I have the big lollipop man. I've
Speaker 6: just I love the movies.
Speaker 2: I don't let me let me.
Speaker 1: That has do you like compassion? That has the voiceover
Speaker 1: or doesn't have the.
Speaker 6: Voice no voiceover?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's at least.
Speaker 2: Woman original director, original directors.
Speaker 6: Yes, and I own that one, so yes, yes. And
Speaker 6: that's my list.
Speaker 1: Great, great list. Up next A boo, A boo? Your five?
Speaker 5: Okay, my five? And this is in order. Starting out
Speaker 5: one is Children of Men, followed by This is already controversial,
Speaker 5: This has been blown up the group chat. Number two
Speaker 5: is heard.
Speaker 1: Been one of my favorite movies of all. Yes, mine too,
Speaker 1: and I will be arguing in favor of a food.
Speaker 5: Number two is her number three, District nine, number four Arrival,
Speaker 5: and number five ppacific fucking spacific.
Speaker 2: Rim some interesting things to talk about.
Speaker 5: Considering discourse exactly, considering we divided kaiju into a different category.
Speaker 1: But I will say though in Pacific rim they are
Speaker 1: naturally occurring creatures that come through a portal. They do
Speaker 1: not grow to a crazy size.
Speaker 2: All save it for the discussion, but I agree this
Speaker 2: is an important details. You know, I think all great
Speaker 2: movies I'm eager to debate my list. Here is my list,
Speaker 2: in no particular order. Edge of Tomorrow twenty fourteen, the
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise box office bomb that I think is one
Speaker 2: of the modern day sci fi classics lived I repeat,
Speaker 2: et cetera. One of the great groundhog day genre subgenre
Speaker 2: movies based on a comic, The Eternal Sunshine of the
Speaker 2: Spotless Mind two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: Come on, it's such a beautiful girl. Will take away
Speaker 1: credit from Garden State. I think to me, Garden State
Speaker 1: really did it. I would get it in a way
Speaker 1: that was that Eternal Sunshine cemented it as a as
Speaker 1: a genre staple.
Speaker 2: I think to me it Garden State, because of the
Speaker 2: soundtrack track aspect, really put the manic pixie dream girl
Speaker 2: center stage in pop culture because it like surrounded her
Speaker 2: with this sound, with this uh suite of songs, that.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I was. That was
Speaker 2: in my iPod, iPod shuffle or iPod or whatever I
Speaker 2: was using at the time.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 2: So Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind. I just think
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful, incredibly beautiful, beautiful looking, beautifully shot movie.
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey, if you're ever like that, guy's not a
Speaker 2: real actor. Eternal Shunshine, he goes the full, he gives
Speaker 2: you everything in that film. Kate Winslet at him, unbelievable,
Speaker 2: shocking chemistry.
Speaker 1: It's just a good movie. Strange Days.
Speaker 2: I think, here's my bubble pit, Here's the one that
Speaker 2: I could feel people maybe trying to shoot down. I
Speaker 2: think that this and Children of Men are two of
Speaker 2: the most prophetic dystopia's, Like we live in Strange Days
Speaker 2: now and Children of Men we will be there in
Speaker 2: fifteen years. It feels like Strange Days.
Speaker 1: Great movie.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen it, I believe it's on Criterion
Speaker 2: and you can probably watch it on Max or.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 2: Also, Hot Hot Ray Fie, does everybody does anybody remember
Speaker 2: pre Voldemort when Ray fines.
Speaker 4: Angela, Yeah, it fine as hell.
Speaker 3: That rembers.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, good god, really good movie. And it
Speaker 2: gives you a version of Los Angeles that feels like
Speaker 2: old and new. Aniara twenty eighteen. I saw this movie recently.
Speaker 2: It's a Swedish film about You can watch it on Hulu,
Speaker 2: and I recommend you do. The thing I love about
Speaker 2: international sci fi, recent international sci fi is you know,
Speaker 2: like we're so CGI dependent here with like Western big
Speaker 2: budget movies that it can feel kind of lifeless. And
Speaker 2: Aniara has there's a dramatic, like a human quality of
Speaker 2: the kind of practical effects of like the more focused
Speaker 2: utilization of the CGI they do have of there's a creativity,
Speaker 2: like it's clearly shot in the mall.
Speaker 1: It stands in for a.
Speaker 2: Spaceship and it's about a journey to Mars that gets
Speaker 2: rerooted because of space debris and the collapse of the
Speaker 2: internal society over time of this spaceship. And it's really
Speaker 2: dark and really scary, but also very human and.
Speaker 1: It's good, it's worthwhile.
Speaker 2: And then finally they live nineteen eighty eight, John Corp
Speaker 2: That just just one of the great political sci fi thrillers,
Speaker 2: with everything completely over the top. I think it you
Speaker 2: could convince me that this is John Carpenter's masterpiece.
Speaker 1: I think people are. I think people are having that
Speaker 1: conversation now, especially because this is an extreme, extremely influential movie.
Speaker 2: I yes, up next, Rosie, It's me.
Speaker 1: This is very hard. I love lots of movies in
Speaker 1: this genre, but I am going to say number one
Speaker 1: pick is a Kira. I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: best movies ever made, obviously one of the best animated
Speaker 1: movies ever made, very defiantly about the strange world of
Speaker 1: kind of experiments and esp It could also be argued,
Speaker 1: I am aware of this that is more of like
Speaker 1: a supernatural movie if you really dig into it. But
Speaker 1: I think with like the visuals of Neo Tokyo and
Speaker 1: the kind of way that a Tomo perceives the future,
Speaker 1: I think is I think it fits. Also, I will
Speaker 1: say my second pick is of two Jehoven movies on
Speaker 1: here at Starship Troopers. I think that's like a really
Speaker 1: fast ready to do my part. I'm ready to do
Speaker 1: my part, and I will say, who knows, maybe somebody
Speaker 1: will argue that akin to Black Mirror, this is actually
Speaker 1: very much in the space of like a satire more
Speaker 1: than a side. I think that monster is monster. I
Speaker 1: think it's sci fi in its establishing tropes, trappings and
Speaker 1: story that it tells with the satire on side. Our
Speaker 1: third pick is my second Verhoven movie. I could have put,
Speaker 1: honestly done like five Viehoven science fiction films, but this
Speaker 1: is RoboCop. I think it is a masterpiece. I think
Speaker 1: it's a sci fi masterpiece. I also think it's very
Speaker 1: prescient and scary and all that kind of stuff. My
Speaker 1: next pick is the far more family friendly but still
Speaker 1: ultimately terrifying Jurassic Park, one of the greatest science fiction
Speaker 1: books and movies ever made. Is it more of a
Speaker 1: monster movie? Let's argue about it in a minut And
Speaker 1: then my last pick is the really, really weird and
Speaker 1: haunting High Life from twenty eighteen, directed by Claire Denis,
Speaker 1: who I love, stars Robert Pattinson and Julia Binochet. I
Speaker 1: was originally going to include her movie from two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, which is called Trouble every Day, which is
Speaker 1: about to be showing at Bleak Week in la and
Speaker 1: it is so horrible and scary and part of the
Speaker 1: French New Extremity. It really launched the French New Extremity movement,
Speaker 1: though she didn't get any credit for it, but I
Speaker 1: decided that was like much more in the horror vein,
Speaker 1: even though it does have a lot of the conversation
Speaker 1: kind of points that we said about starting a horror
Speaker 1: I mean starting as about science that we don't have
Speaker 1: and experimentation. But yeah, I'm going for High Life because
Speaker 1: it is set on a spaceship. It's about space colonies
Speaker 1: and space prisons and the way that people are exploited
Speaker 1: in prison and in kind of capitalist society. So I
Speaker 1: think that works. I also have five alts for whenever
Speaker 1: you guys are trying to take my off the list,
Speaker 1: and then finally Joelle.
Speaker 4: All right, here we go by first one is the
Speaker 4: day that Erst is still the nineteen fifty one edition, not.
Speaker 3: The two thousand. With love and respect to Keanu.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you haven't seen the film, it's genuinely
Speaker 4: a masterpiece, but it's it's an exploration of like, when
Speaker 4: humans feel threatened, what is our reaction? And it's mostly
Speaker 4: violent and it's pretty horrible.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: To the Fly one of the most Disma original.
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait, I remake I remake sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 4: Jeff Goldbloom, Jeff gold Bloom. One really works for me
Speaker 4: because Juloom is unbelievably hot in that movie, but also
Speaker 4: the bodygore transformation. I think we live in a world
Speaker 4: really obsessed with plastic surgery right now. And if you
Speaker 4: watch The Fly and this like like incredible push to
Speaker 4: just constantly be altering and changing and advancing, and then
Speaker 4: the like complete falling apart of it, Like I just
Speaker 4: I really really love The Fly. I went back and
Speaker 4: forth on my time table movies guys. Originally I was like,
Speaker 4: Back to the Future, it's epic, and then Aaron said,
Speaker 4: I can't believe nobody has said everything everywhere all at once,
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, pause. And I think because time
Speaker 4: travel is more essential to everything everywhere all at once
Speaker 4: in that there's a constant use of it and a
Speaker 4: flux and a twist, where as opposed to, you know,
Speaker 4: in Back to the Future, it's a it's a direct thing.
Speaker 4: You go there, you got this car, you come back.
Speaker 1: Yes, if he doesn't. If he doesn't go there, he's
Speaker 1: going to not exist. So I would say it is
Speaker 1: quite important.
Speaker 2: Also, we know all the history of popular culture is okay.
Speaker 3: This white boy just store black history.
Speaker 2: I could come on, never have had the idea it's
Speaker 2: not for Marty Fly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think you know everything everywhere all at once.
Speaker 3: Just a good point. Then I was gonna selling harm
Speaker 3: in this morning.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I had Smart House on the
Speaker 4: list because Guys as a child more game changing than
Speaker 4: Smart House.
Speaker 3: Watch it's such a good movie.
Speaker 4: But then I was thinking about, okay, well, this is
Speaker 4: my kid's movie sort of on my list. Is there
Speaker 4: some a movie that does it better? And The Iron
Speaker 4: Giants like one of my favorite films.
Speaker 3: Of all time.
Speaker 4: We do not have this technology, and the exploration of
Speaker 4: like what is a gun.
Speaker 3: O my heart?
Speaker 1: I do not have an Iron Giant?
Speaker 3: We could use one? We could use one.
Speaker 4: And finally Alien for I think reasons I should be obvious,
Speaker 4: but could technically be voted out.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a fan whatever happens after
Speaker 2: the ad break, let's just acknowledge this is a fantastic Yeah.
Speaker 3: Good for us.
Speaker 1: If you are gonna go out and watch some sci
Speaker 1: fi movies, you're gonna be pleasantly surprised to find an
Speaker 1: fae from this list. No question, like whatever else happens
Speaker 1: after the break, whether we are still a pulcast after that,
Speaker 1: whether we still are friends, after that. Just remember, guys,
Speaker 1: we put together an incredible list.
Speaker 2: The knives are coming out, accrat and we are back. Okay,
Speaker 2: so should we go? Let's go in reverse order with
Speaker 2: peopless films to vote out films. So we'll start with
Speaker 2: Joelle's film Bring It, and here I will repeat the
Speaker 2: list again today. The Earth should Still nineteen fifty one,
Speaker 2: a true classic, The Cronenberg, The Flyes, starring Jeff Goldbloom
Speaker 2: and Geena Davis looking super hot, both of them. Uh,
Speaker 2: everything everywhere, all at once. The Daniels Kaye Kwon. I
Speaker 2: mean what is to be has not be, said Michelle Yo.
Speaker 2: The Iron Giant, A heart and actually a movie that's
Speaker 2: so good that I don't rewatch it because it makes
Speaker 2: me feel too feelings that are too deep and alien.
Speaker 2: Just one of the great, one of the great films.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Does anybody have any uh pressing criticisms or issues to
Speaker 2: raise with the list?
Speaker 1: If not, I will start, he said. Guess what I do?
Speaker 2: I do have one, I think, and I'm happy to
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna get voted out, but I want
Speaker 2: to raise this. I think Animated is its own thing.
Speaker 2: I think Animated is its own an can't be I'm
Speaker 2: not saying it. I'm not saying it can't be sci fi,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying the surreality and pure imaginative nature of
Speaker 2: animated like Superhero is a super container for genres. It's
Speaker 2: not that it's not sci fi. It's not that it's
Speaker 2: not fantasy. It's not that it's not a family drama.
Speaker 2: It's that because it's not based in material objects that
Speaker 2: are filmed, it is a pure imagination space that can
Speaker 2: be all of those things. And therefore I am voting
Speaker 2: to exclude.
Speaker 3: I may be.
Speaker 2: Voted down because of the lists that are out there,
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to raise he said, I.
Speaker 4: The Spielberg film. You remember The Battle of Leader? Or
Speaker 4: do we consider this film sci fi or not? Based
Speaker 4: off of your animation?
Speaker 3: Anim but it.
Speaker 4: Is not fully captured either, and the scope of limitation
Speaker 4: is about the same as well.
Speaker 1: Guys, I'm going to tell you the issue here. The
Speaker 1: real issue is that we are no longer talking about though.
Speaker 1: I do believe that if we had laid this out before,
Speaker 1: we could have separated animation potentially, but that is a
Speaker 1: format issue that is like a medium, it's not a
Speaker 1: genre issue. So I don't think we can take things
Speaker 1: out just as like we couldn't take out other live
Speaker 1: action movies because there like, I just don't think I
Speaker 1: think it's a format issue. A boo. I saw that
Speaker 1: you had some thoughts.
Speaker 5: I agree entirely. I don't think we can entire storytelling.
Speaker 5: Animation is a medium. Superhero films are not a different,
Speaker 5: entirely different medium.
Speaker 2: Jesus right, But I love but we all love our pixels.
Speaker 3: Okay, selective hearing is wild.
Speaker 4: I feel I feel like Rosie has a great point.
Speaker 1: I agree with.
Speaker 2: It's a medium in this well, I agree that it
Speaker 2: is a kind of storytelling, but I think the medium
Speaker 2: is still film, is it not? So? I I kind
Speaker 2: of feel like the medium is still film, but the
Speaker 2: style of storytelling is animated. And I take Joel's point
Speaker 2: that there certain stories lean on animation to a lesser
Speaker 2: and fuller degree. But I do think fully animated films
Speaker 2: now you know, now we're going to talk about motion
Speaker 2: cap and what about what if? What if the characters
Speaker 2: are motion caps? But I still fully animated films. Well,
Speaker 2: I think we did for but I think that fully
Speaker 2: animated films personally, I feel like should be excluded are
Speaker 2: its own thing, and we should have our own list
Speaker 2: of those films.
Speaker 1: But I know I'm going to vote.
Speaker 2: With hands yes, sure the eyes the eyes animated are
Speaker 2: voting no.
Speaker 1: The the animation is in.
Speaker 2: Okay, animation is in. I raise your hands like animation is.
Speaker 1: So that's three. Animation is out.
Speaker 7: Four to one.
Speaker 1: I'm voted down. Okay, So animation I will bring I
Speaker 1: will bring up the issue an issue that I think
Speaker 1: we could talk about. The Fly is undoubtedly a science
Speaker 1: fiction movie. But is it also is it like nowadays
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, is it also to perceived as
Speaker 1: a horror movie? Like are we? Are we giving? Where
Speaker 1: do we put the lines on that? Because like the
Speaker 1: Fly is a fact, it is a science fiction movie
Speaker 1: about well if you could, uh like meld the man
Speaker 1: with a fly? First of all, why would you do that?
Speaker 1: So now we don't have the technology. But like I
Speaker 1: also do wonder if like is it is it like
Speaker 1: too horror or are we I guess alien is also
Speaker 1: horror sipers, So I guess the question is how subgenrely
Speaker 1: are we getting in?
Speaker 5: But you could see a world in which it would
Speaker 5: be billed as a horror movie. First, you know, like
Speaker 5: the and it was marketed that way.
Speaker 3: Is genre horror or is it sci fi?
Speaker 6: No, he didn't try to turn himself into a fly.
Speaker 6: It was an accident.
Speaker 1: It was an accident. He was trying to teleport himself success,
Speaker 1: but he did turn into a fly.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And basically I'm.
Speaker 1: Hearing that despite Joelle's controversial ideas of what Star Wars
Speaker 1: is or is not, whether it does fit into the
Speaker 1: sci fi genre, I'm hearing that her pigs are actually
Speaker 1: quite uncontroversial. Well, well, I would say that I have
Speaker 1: another tells. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, I don't even know if I entirely believe that
Speaker 5: I have thought out loud, if when I think of
Speaker 5: everything everywhere, all at once, I don't think my first
Speaker 5: thought is not sci fi. I was about to say,
Speaker 5: you know, I understand that it's a parallel timeline story.
Speaker 5: There's time travel to some extent multiverse, like yeah, multiverses
Speaker 5: at its core, those are all sci fi elements. But
Speaker 5: for some intangible reason, I do not think of that
Speaker 5: as a sci fi film.
Speaker 2: It feels, well, can I try to Can I try
Speaker 2: to clarify because a boo, I have the same feeling.
Speaker 2: Although again, I'm happy to be voted down. Here is
Speaker 2: my feeling with everything everywhere all at once, I think
Speaker 2: I think the version of time travel that is being
Speaker 2: displayed in this movie is essentially like a higher understanding
Speaker 2: of the natural world and less using science to access
Speaker 2: the time stream. It's like, hey, nature and the quantum
Speaker 2: realm give rise to this kind of thing that's happening
Speaker 2: independently of our story, and our characters kind of get
Speaker 2: sucked into it. There's very little like Okay, although I
Speaker 2: will I will eat hold on. I do agree that
Speaker 2: characters build technology to access the multiverse. But that's why
Speaker 2: I'm going to ancillary to the kind of existence of
Speaker 2: the multiverse.
Speaker 1: To me, it's on the bubble.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to have it, but I have the same
Speaker 2: kind of reservations that a Boo has. Carmen, I see
Speaker 2: you the fingers up the nails, the clause.
Speaker 6: I'm well, I'm just I'm thinking about other things on
Speaker 6: the list, and I'm thinking if we don't consider Everything
Speaker 6: Everywhere All at Once a sci fi for the fact
Speaker 6: that they are using a higher consciousness to access time travel,
Speaker 6: then Arrival would also fall under that same category.
Speaker 2: When well, well, let's stick to let's stay we I
Speaker 2: don't disagree, but let's let's stick to the list. Let's
Speaker 2: take the vote on everything, everywhere, all at once. Let's
Speaker 2: take a vote on everything everywhere, all at once. The
Speaker 2: yes is it is sci fi. Let's see the show
Speaker 2: of hands. Two, let's see the show of hands.
Speaker 1: It is not sci fi. I think I.
Speaker 2: Might not have spoken up and the bravery of that man,
Speaker 2: so we're gonna have to go to an alt But
Speaker 2: let's let's go through the rest of the list.
Speaker 1: I now, I just want to raise this issue.
Speaker 2: I think I don't subscribe personally to Joel's I think
Speaker 2: a little too targeted definition of sci fi.
Speaker 3: But I have to.
Speaker 2: Wonder if the films on Joel's list actually rise to
Speaker 2: Joel's definition of sci fi. Alien for Existence, for instance,
Speaker 2: I agree that there's a science officer and there's an AI,
Speaker 2: and there's a discussion of like stuff mining and geology,
Speaker 2: but it's.
Speaker 1: Also like not super explored. I don't know. And I
Speaker 1: think you could say the same of.
Speaker 2: The Iron Giant, which is like they never talk about
Speaker 2: what the giant can do. In fact, like explicitly the
Speaker 2: technology behind the Giant is just kind of like mysterious
Speaker 2: and just almost disx machina. Do you have any I
Speaker 2: sense you having a retort? Joel, what is your retort
Speaker 2: to that?
Speaker 4: Okay, so for alien to start there, because your big
Speaker 4: bad is ultimately a deceiving droid who is so human
Speaker 4: they don't even know. And then the mother of sist,
Speaker 4: like the plot is you've been set up to die,
Speaker 4: so you could worth alien here.
Speaker 3: That to me is what makes it sci fi.
Speaker 4: I would agree that if it was more alien, we
Speaker 4: could be more creature focused, but aliens sort of like
Speaker 4: almost like you know, also lured into this trout like
Speaker 4: also a victim on some level, and so that's why
Speaker 4: I classify that sci fi. Now for Okay, Iron Giant,
Speaker 4: I hear your argument. I think for me, what makes
Speaker 4: it sci fice? And maybe this is getting too niche,
Speaker 4: but like it's set in the fifties, so like this
Speaker 4: robot is like already like sort of like this way
Speaker 4: futuristic appeal to this character, and so he doesn't really
Speaker 4: need to understand the science because the whole point is
Speaker 4: like could science create something that then is like so horrific?
Speaker 4: The device itself is like I'm not interested in being
Speaker 4: what you've programmed me to be and that to me
Speaker 4: is what makes it science fiction. It's like this again,
Speaker 4: a human reacting to the technology and then the technology
Speaker 4: reacting back.
Speaker 3: Like that's peak science fiction.
Speaker 1: I would I would also say, I do think I
Speaker 1: don't fully buy it, but I'm excited.
Speaker 7: I am also saying, guys, this is this is the
Speaker 7: cause of what we have, what we have tried to
Speaker 7: sell out here is you start laying out boundaries outside
Speaker 7: of just like vibes, because then you're like, well, the
Speaker 7: day the US, that's still like, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1: Obviously it is a science fiction because there's like an alien,
Speaker 1: But then you're like, so does any movie with an
Speaker 1: alien count as science fiction?
Speaker 2: So let's just murte on the let's just moan on
Speaker 2: these alien. Yes, it's sci fi science fiction.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, I was the only one who said,
Speaker 1: let's hear the dissenting opinion. What do you say, No,
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, you were just lacking. Sorry, So alien is
Speaker 2: unanimous sci fi? The Fly sci fi? Yes, I think unanimous,
Speaker 2: The Daily still sci fi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sci fi. The Iron Giant there is no
Speaker 1: double jeopardy.
Speaker 2: But who agrees with me that the Iron Giant does
Speaker 2: not rise to Joel's definition. Rise to Joel's definition Joel,
Speaker 2: Joel is already in.
Speaker 8: Guys, I'm I'm proposing because of how in depth this is,
Speaker 8: and because we could obviously talk about it, so they
Speaker 8: how about instead of proposing alts for the five, the
Speaker 8: final list that we recommend is just all the stuff
Speaker 8: that didn't get strike sure.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that we can certainly the the altar are
Speaker 2: gonna get heavily talk. Okay, next up Rosie's films.
Speaker 1: RoboCop, Jurassic Park, Highlight.
Speaker 2: Does anybody have any outstanding issues with any of these films?
Speaker 2: We could start there before we start votes.
Speaker 1: Perfect I'll raise the bubble. I think it's on the bubble.
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park? Is it not monster? I understand those genetic engineering,
Speaker 1: but is it? But is it primarily monster? I also, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to do this of my own thing,
Speaker 1: But I also do think you raised an interesting point
Speaker 1: about like the notion of like effects and animation, because honestly,
Speaker 1: is Jurassic Park not in hindsight more of like an
Speaker 1: unbelievable step forward in special effects making it a special
Speaker 1: effects monster movie. I could agree, but I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make the argument because I did pick this. The
Speaker 1: science of Jurassic Park is such a huge part of it,
Speaker 1: but there are literally when you go to Universal Studios,
Speaker 1: they have toys of the like you can buy you
Speaker 1: and buy stuff. It's so much a part of it
Speaker 1: that we all understand. We even know the lore of it,
Speaker 1: which is that the reason that they couldn't control it
Speaker 1: and life would find a way is because they used
Speaker 1: a frog that could change its gender, which allowed the animals.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's so much a part of
Speaker 1: it that we almost might forget it. But I do
Speaker 1: think that discussion.
Speaker 5: Is that I think Jura part films lean more monster film,
Speaker 5: but the first I agree with enough.
Speaker 2: Science, I tend to agree to it. So we don't
Speaker 2: seem to mind that the science takes place in the
Speaker 2: first fifteen minutes of the movie and eighty five percent
Speaker 2: of the rest of the movie is a monster run.
Speaker 1: If they did do science, that they didn't do science,
Speaker 1: the monsters would not exist. I tend to agree with you.
Speaker 2: I just think we need to be rigorous. Okay, any
Speaker 2: other outstanding issues that anybody has with this list? A
Speaker 2: cure Starship Trooper Robochopterissic Park, High Life.
Speaker 5: I mean, if we're gonna talk about animation, I've already.
Speaker 1: Raised my issues.
Speaker 2: I feel like I said my piece.
Speaker 1: I got shot.
Speaker 6: I think it's so multi genre that it's hard to
Speaker 6: pin down. You know what I mean. It's it's definitely
Speaker 6: got the sci fi elements.
Speaker 1: I do think that that is the case. That was
Speaker 1: my issue with everything everywhere once, So I will hate you.
Speaker 1: I'm also just gonna warn you comment and you know
Speaker 1: I love I'm gonna warn you this, this very argument
Speaker 1: could potentially be an issue for one of your picks.
Speaker 1: They're very still.
Speaker 6: Hold on, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say. The thing
Speaker 6: that goes through my mind and a Kira that doesn't
Speaker 6: that that army kind of like sets is that the
Speaker 6: supernatural children like that whole Like that's true?
Speaker 2: Can I And I feel like I don't want to
Speaker 2: feel like a broken record, but I want to ask,
Speaker 2: just ask the question. Is it not more of a
Speaker 2: kind of superhero story in that it is both animated
Speaker 2: and a mashup of multiple genres. I agree that there's
Speaker 2: a sci fi element, but like like the Iron Giant,
Speaker 2: which is in there, I also feel like along with
Speaker 2: the genre mash, along with the issues that animated that
Speaker 2: I'm the only one that cares about if there's also
Speaker 2: the ancillary issue that it does not rise to the
Speaker 2: Joel definition of sci fi.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true, and so there's that. Sorry, any other?
Speaker 5: Is the sci fi aesthetic and backdrop of Neo Tokyo
Speaker 5: enough to call the whole movie side.
Speaker 1: From dramatic great points?
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're So let's take a vote.
Speaker 2: Let's let's vote on the list. Let's we'll start with
Speaker 2: a curra.
Speaker 1: A curra. It is sci fi hands.
Speaker 9: O curra is not sci fi hands for one, it's
Speaker 9: not sci fi Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Struck out.
Speaker 2: Starship Troopers.
Speaker 1: It is sci fi show of hands.
Speaker 3: Yes, he.
Speaker 1: It is sci fi show of hands. Yes, okay, good.
Speaker 2: The Jurassic Park it is sci fi show of hands.
Speaker 2: All of us unanimous, despite the significant issues.
Speaker 1: With the balance. Thank you, high life.
Speaker 2: It is this, shouts declared, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: It is sci fi show of hands.
Speaker 2: Five to one.
Speaker 1: Okay, your vault, what are you gonna put in there?
Speaker 1: As the alt seeing as I feel like this is
Speaker 1: gonna be the one that is least controversial as we've
Speaker 1: already essentially we have already essentially agreed that this does
Speaker 1: count as science fiction and not a monster movie because
Speaker 1: they're getting very, very small. I am alting with the
Speaker 1: classic Inner Space about a man who gets shrunk so
Speaker 1: tiny and then injected into another man in the mall.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I fucking love this movie as
Speaker 1: a kid like I just think it's a really fun
Speaker 1: kind of family throwback movie. Yeah, and bait and it is,
Speaker 1: like I will say, the one thing I will say,
Speaker 1: definitely in the comedy space, but we spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time both inside of somebody's human body in a
Speaker 1: little capsure ship, and then there is kind of a
Speaker 1: more broad action comedy experience going on outside.
Speaker 2: But I will bring that in as I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna win. I think that's a unanimous it's science fiction.
Speaker 2: I think we all agree with that. That is x
Speaker 2: ray vision, x ray Vision's law. Shrink is science fiction.
Speaker 1: Grow is miss.
Speaker 2: That's gonna really start some conversations. Okay, let's go to
Speaker 2: a quick break and then we'll be back with more.
Speaker 1: And we're at okay. Next up is my list Edge
Speaker 1: of Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Eternal Sunshine is spotless sign Strange Days, Aniara, they live.
Speaker 2: Anybody have any issues with my list? Okay, and I
Speaker 2: can see I'm gonna I'm gonna bubble issues.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for them. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna put something
Speaker 1: out there, Shine of Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Okay,
Speaker 1: it is based on a technology, as Joelle was saying,
Speaker 1: but if Akira is essentially like, it's got the aesthetics
Speaker 1: of a side but is not a sci fi is
Speaker 1: a title Sunshine and Spotless Mine a movie by one
Speaker 1: of my favorite directors, by the way, which I do love,
Speaker 1: but like, is it sci fi enough? Or is it
Speaker 1: like an indie kind of drama with the sci fi element? Interesting?
Speaker 2: This is going to bring up her issues, I can see,
Speaker 2: But the rest is effectively I will. I see your point,
Speaker 2: And I was, and I was anticipating this. I think
Speaker 2: I'm going to raise the Jurassic.
Speaker 1: As soon as I said it, as I said, it
Speaker 1: was like sh.
Speaker 2: And say that that because everything happens because of the
Speaker 2: mind to race Son, it's true, therefore it's sci fi correct.
Speaker 2: But I'm any other issues with this, I'll raise so
Speaker 2: to me, Strange Days has a little bit of the
Speaker 2: same issue. It's essentially a very very immersive arc technology,
Speaker 2: and with the kind of all future take I could
Speaker 2: see it being on the bubble. I just want to
Speaker 2: raise the issue with it.
Speaker 1: I think. I think the thing about Strange Days is
Speaker 1: that falls into almost.
Speaker 10: Your Akira Blade Runner issue, which is like, is it
Speaker 10: is the esthetic and the vibe and the vision enough.
Speaker 1: Is it more of a post apocalyptic movie? Is it
Speaker 1: more of a sci fi movie? I love this movie.
Speaker 1: I would actually come down on the side that it
Speaker 1: fits within the general parameters, though I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: if we have, like off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: a very incisive conversation about the technology as it exists.
Speaker 1: But I do think generally I would like it to
Speaker 1: be on the list because I think it's a really
Speaker 1: great movie and for a long time was not available
Speaker 1: for people to watch, So I do think it fits in.
Speaker 1: I think the number one to me for the way
Speaker 1: we're doing the list, I think the absolute safe one
Speaker 1: on your list is Ani first of all, because I
Speaker 1: think that's like a heart I love that movie. I
Speaker 1: think it's a direct science fiction film A lot of
Speaker 1: times actually the notion of a low budget sci fi
Speaker 1: It's why I picked high life. They often feel a
Speaker 1: lot more like the science fiction we grew up with,
Speaker 1: and like this very physical, touchable sci fi. I would say,
Speaker 1: I do think there is an element. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: As much as I do love this movie, I think
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I have watched the fucking Jijak like They
Speaker 1: Live breakdown of the trash fight like five hundred thousand times.
Speaker 2: You know the aliens, you know the they common state
Speaker 2: they are are politicians with the new liberal politicians.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the technology of the glasses in They
Speaker 1: Live is very fucking bad. Like you put them on,
Speaker 1: it's kind of magic.
Speaker 6: You put them on, you can see them.
Speaker 1: And then like they don't really talk. Then the it's
Speaker 1: kind of more of like a conspiracy thriller. So I
Speaker 1: would say, but aliens. It does have aliens aliens, but
Speaker 1: is aliens enough for it to be a sci fi movie.
Speaker 2: Isn't technology so advanced that you don't understand it essentially magic?
Speaker 1: Well guess what that is? Exactly? Yes, Also, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna lie. That is basically like
Speaker 1: the biggest argument about all sci fi. So yes, very good,
Speaker 1: you know me.
Speaker 3: I treat features.
Speaker 1: Features in that case, Man, I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 1: You bet you lucky that the day the up stand
Speaker 1: still because that's a Preacher features alien.
Speaker 2: Let's vote. Let's vote, okay. At Edge of Tomorrow it
Speaker 2: is sci fi.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's a time lisk, but it's sci fi.
Speaker 1: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, it is sci fi.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Jurassic corollary gets it in there straight days. It
Speaker 2: is a sci fi show of hands yep, okay, five Aniara,
Speaker 2: it is a sci fi.
Speaker 1: They're all going through that.
Speaker 2: Here is the bubble one they live. Is it a
Speaker 2: sci fi?
Speaker 1: It's not a sci fi? Four to one? Hold on what?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: So let's hear it though. What is not a sci fi?
Speaker 2: I can see if you want to tell me, like,
Speaker 2: it's a political thriller with sci fi compiracy thriller festival.
Speaker 6: Where does he gets the glass movie?
Speaker 1: It's also a horror movie. He finds the glasses just
Speaker 1: in a ball, and I look.
Speaker 6: I need them to come from.
Speaker 2: I mean the science of broadcast communications and the electro magnetic.
Speaker 1: List of I no, the hacker takes over the TV,
Speaker 1: but I'm sorry, both of those technologies do exist, and
Speaker 1: I would say the book it does just like it's
Speaker 1: just like crash Box.
Speaker 2: I want to just point out that one of the
Speaker 2: things we did establish with the Iron Giant is as
Speaker 2: long as the science was futuristic for the period, that
Speaker 2: is true.
Speaker 1: But but but somebody taking open like a somebody being
Speaker 1: a hacker in the late eighties that existed in the termina.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to again, I I I get it. I'm
Speaker 1: willing to. Okay, So we voted it's out?
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it out?
Speaker 1: I think it's out.
Speaker 2: Okay, So then I'm going to gosh, let's I'm gonna
Speaker 2: look at my I do, but but I can see
Speaker 2: I can see some uh some holes in some of
Speaker 2: them despite them being great.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about this, I'm gonna go with I know
Speaker 1: what should goodness, you don't know you're gonna go with.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with nineteen eighty five Enemy Mind, And
Speaker 1: then I know it as a sci fi movie, guys,
Speaker 1: I just know he loves this movie.
Speaker 2: It's it's so I do love this movie. Dennis Quaid
Speaker 2: and Lewis Gossip Junior are are a human and alien, respectively,
Speaker 2: on two sides of a galactic war. They get maroon
Speaker 2: together on an icy planet, and they have to bridge
Speaker 2: their differences. Dennis Quaid also in Innerspace, what a sci
Speaker 2: fi career he had in the Ees. Let's take the
Speaker 2: vote on it, Enemy mind.
Speaker 1: Is it a sci fi? Yes?
Speaker 4: Sorry, I haven't seen these, so I just want to
Speaker 4: just want to clarify one point. So he's a space
Speaker 4: traveler who runs into an alien.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's a there's a galactic war going
Speaker 2: on and he they are both starship pilots on opposite
Speaker 2: sides of war, and they're right, and they they crash
Speaker 2: on an icy planet. And uh, I should say that
Speaker 2: the plot hinges significantly on the alien biology of of
Speaker 2: Jeribah Lewis Gossa Jr. And the fact that the males
Speaker 2: of the species, in their of their race give birth,
Speaker 2: and so Lewis gossip Junior gives birth to Zamus, and uh,
Speaker 2: Dennis Quaid's characters feelings of warmth and a fatherly love
Speaker 2: for this child is part of what brings peace to
Speaker 2: these two warring nations.
Speaker 4: I gotta say, it's giving me a little children of
Speaker 4: men where it's like, okay, where is this scientist someone.
Speaker 1: Right now? And then there's and then there's the science.
Speaker 1: Where's the science of like an alien species giving birth?
Speaker 1: And how they definitely humans.
Speaker 3: Delivering the baby?
Speaker 1: Are they?
Speaker 3: Dennis Quick? That helps?
Speaker 1: Louisconsin Junior is like, you need to help me give
Speaker 1: birth to this child. I'm going to talk you through crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay, we can't.
Speaker 2: Beautiful and forgotten film it.
Speaker 1: Is, but not forgotten on X ray vision, not a
Speaker 1: Let's hold her vote? Is it sci fi?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm gonna give this okay.
Speaker 1: Oh Joelle, you never actually voted in an all after
Speaker 1: you lost everything everywhere. We'll come home. Up next to
Speaker 1: boot film.
Speaker 2: Children Children of Men Her District nine Arrival Pacific rim
Speaker 2: any outstanding issues from the group for a Boo's List, Joel,
Speaker 2: I see Carmen, excuse me, I see the I see
Speaker 2: the nail up.
Speaker 6: A cool claw. So Children of Men I was definitely
Speaker 6: on the fence about because I kept saying in the
Speaker 6: group chat, I'm like, it's just a dystopian probable future,
Speaker 6: possible future. There's no future tech in it. Now A
Speaker 6: Boo has very cleverly, very very cleverly, It's included a
Speaker 6: screenshot here that is what is this?
Speaker 2: It's a at best minor plot. This is the son
Speaker 2: of a This is the son of a of a
Speaker 2: character who's playing like a Tetris style video game on it.
Speaker 2: They never discuss it, and it has nothing to do.
Speaker 6: With the.
Speaker 5: This show came out in two thousand and six, which
Speaker 5: is before the iPhone, and we're seeing like touch interface
Speaker 5: in the screenshot.
Speaker 1: So by the rules I does that's fair. I also
Speaker 1: just have to say, guys, sorry to get bleak, but
Speaker 1: I'll tell you something that exists in this movie that
Speaker 1: doesn't currently exist but could soon exist. I mean, there
Speaker 1: is like an entire economic, uh kind of landscape in
Speaker 1: this movie that A big part of it is that
Speaker 1: they have like special pills and then areas where old
Speaker 1: people can go and kill themselves. But it's not like
Speaker 1: your traditional suicide like we have seen. It's this like
Speaker 1: mass version of it where it's also like essentially mandatory.
Speaker 1: I think that that is a technology that we don't
Speaker 1: currently have, thank god. And I will also say I
Speaker 1: just I do for me. Children of Men is a
Speaker 1: science fiction because it also is based on the notion
Speaker 1: without this nothing would happen. That there is like a
Speaker 1: human evolutionary change, and the evolution very changes that nobody
Speaker 1: can give birth anymore?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: That is interesting to me. That is a science fiction hypothetical,
Speaker 1: even though it's not about creating a technology, it is
Speaker 1: about the science of human beings and how we evolve
Speaker 1: and how we.
Speaker 2: Like special point of it. I'm going to here's my
Speaker 2: issues with it again.
Speaker 1: I love this film.
Speaker 2: One throw out the game console. You've got much stronger
Speaker 2: arguments than that, because it really does not impact this wave.
Speaker 2: I think, to me, is this not more of a
Speaker 2: this is a story about public health and societal collapse?
Speaker 2: And I agree with you that is it an evolutionary change?
Speaker 2: Is it a public health issue? I think we've all
Speaker 2: lived through an event that feels broadly like Children of
Speaker 2: Men that in ways that feel that feel very now
Speaker 2: true to life. Would I would argue that this falls
Speaker 2: under the I would argue that is this not a dystopia,
Speaker 2: which are not necessarily sci fi?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: This is more of a collapse of society story less
Speaker 2: a science fiction story.
Speaker 1: Those are the issues I have with it.
Speaker 2: Does anybody else have anything else about that or anything else.
Speaker 1: Well on the list?
Speaker 6: Or should we just I would say to just kind
Speaker 6: of I guess okay, I said this in the group chat,
Speaker 6: but if if Children of Men is considered a sci
Speaker 6: fi and we have like maybe one example of future
Speaker 6: tech in it, would we consider The Handmaid's Tale a
Speaker 6: sci fi if it had future tech in it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's aciehy, Yeah it's not. I
Speaker 1: do think the delineation here between dystopia and sci fi
Speaker 1: is blurry, And so I can understand how this is
Speaker 1: a controversial one. I'm believe them.
Speaker 2: Mount amount of has been going games not a sci fi?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: WHOA is a sci fi? S Okay?
Speaker 5: Sorry you guys, I think you were just saying, to
Speaker 5: Rosie's point, if we're going to start splitting hairs between
Speaker 5: what is dystopian, what is post apocalyptic, what is not?
Speaker 5: I suppose that while we're here, but we risk a
Speaker 5: slippery slope.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I think we've already slipped very far down the slope
Speaker 5: by knocking Akira off of the list, honestly, But if
Speaker 5: we continue.
Speaker 1: Down this, which which you have.
Speaker 5: Later, I'm utterly regretting my choice because it throws most
Speaker 5: of my listed Like the way as well, if if
Speaker 5: we knock off Children of Men, you could argue, like
Speaker 5: iconic sci fi films snow Piercer Fahrenheit four fifty one,
Speaker 5: The road like these are these could all also just.
Speaker 1: The roads the road vote pier.
Speaker 3: Not being uh.
Speaker 2: That yeah, the children a train is like nineteenth century.
Speaker 11: Never say that Snip has an infinite engine that does
Speaker 11: not exist.
Speaker 2: Let's just say, well, let's not it's not on the list,
Speaker 2: so let's not get into snow here, sir. Let's not
Speaker 2: get diverted snow here, sir. Okay, films on the list
Speaker 2: that we I'm going to raise a couple. I lean
Speaker 2: that her is included, but I but I just want
Speaker 2: to raise it like we're it's basically relating problem of
Speaker 2: phones like that, it's here. This is technology people are
Speaker 2: falling in love with as right now.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like till till this year, I
Speaker 1: would have been like, yeah, huh, great indie sci fi pick.
Speaker 1: But I will say I have seen many screen grabs,
Speaker 1: many men who are like falling in love with AI.
Speaker 1: I also have many close friends who play the hilarious
Speaker 1: game Love and Deep Space, which is essentially about having
Speaker 1: a sexy AI boyfriend. And there are people who are
Speaker 1: just having chat GTP be their real life girlfriend. Now,
Speaker 1: so I don't know we have to basically, yea changed
Speaker 1: we a like a are we at like a weird
Speaker 1: transition point when stuff that we are experiencing we have
Speaker 1: to accept is still in a science fiction.
Speaker 4: Change just because time has passed and and and that's
Speaker 4: an interesting question because I know that does happen if
Speaker 4: you live, we might what was once considered comedy might
Speaker 4: now be a drama because of how these situations.
Speaker 3: Sure, but I do think that it's it's strange.
Speaker 4: To say, like, just because the technology is caught up
Speaker 4: to where we were at that it no longer qualifies.
Speaker 1: I think it's the technology.
Speaker 2: I do you think it's a bubble question? And then
Speaker 2: finally I gotta say, I Pacific rim feels more. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a there's a portal under the sea, and the monsters.
Speaker 1: Come out of it, and I think that how.
Speaker 3: It's a challenge because there's so many mech suits in it?
Speaker 1: Yes, how are they don't? I don't know? Okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no.
Speaker 2: I was also the issue of like, why here's the
Speaker 2: thing that's bothered me up a Pacific forever? Use the
Speaker 2: fucking sword every single time? Why is why does he
Speaker 2: only pull the sword out?
Speaker 1: What you get that makes it side by. I don't no,
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you that. I'm gonna tell you something. Guys,
Speaker 1: somebody has watched it, has I've watched Specific Rim a lot.
Speaker 1: But I do think actually in this case, I think
Speaker 1: a boo has found a get around on our fried
Speaker 1: you rule because not only do they not grow bigger,
Speaker 1: but also there are mech suits, and not just that
Speaker 1: the technology within the mech suits is overly explaining that
Speaker 1: maybe some people do not like it that you have
Speaker 1: to drift, you have to connect with someone psychologically. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of technology there that does not exist and
Speaker 1: will probably never exist, but is a major part of
Speaker 1: the first specific Can I just think he works? I
Speaker 1: agree it's on the bubble? Does it not?
Speaker 2: Though fall a foul of extra Vision's lag growing as much?
Speaker 2: I think that while it is monster with sci fi elements,
Speaker 2: is it not?
Speaker 1: Is it not monster?
Speaker 2: That's all the masters growing, But if it's still tall,
Speaker 2: it's still one hundred feet two hundred feet tall. I think,
Speaker 2: like we don't see God's will grow, but it's still
Speaker 2: obviously monster anyway.
Speaker 5: Okay, And I will readily admit that Pacific Rim doesn't
Speaker 5: even meet my standard of sci fi, like what.
Speaker 1: So comary.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And like, but it is just okay, children of Men,
Speaker 1: it is sci fi. Show of Hands. I think it's
Speaker 1: sci fi. It's just too it's so, it's two.
Speaker 2: To three not sci fi.
Speaker 1: Crossed it off. I listen.
Speaker 5: It's one of my top we've gone so far, we've
Speaker 5: crossed the room conversations.
Speaker 3: It is sci fi.
Speaker 2: It's not show of hands, it's sci fi. I do
Speaker 2: think it's yeah five, it's sci fi.
Speaker 1: Christ nine. I think clearly this is sci fi, has
Speaker 1: tech elements, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's sci fi very clearly. Side by Pacific rim
Speaker 2: it's side by show up hands.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I think you know what.
Speaker 1: I think that the brain drifting technology.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna vote against it. Okay, your altaboo.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I could divert for another twenty minutes by picking
Speaker 5: snow Piercer as my alt.
Speaker 2: But don't do it, Please don't do it.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to I'll throw a blade Runner twenty
Speaker 5: forty nine. Let's have two.
Speaker 1: Yeaheah, Okay, that's it, and I think we all agree
Speaker 1: that that's sci Fi. Yes, if Blade Run side far
Speaker 1: sci fi?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, let's go finally to Carmen's films. Here
Speaker 2: we go, Boy, the Fifth Element, Ghost in the Shell, Gadica, Companion,
Speaker 2: Blade Runner. Any outstanding issues that any that he has
Speaker 2: I've raised my I think the Ghost and Shell might
Speaker 2: have the cura issues.
Speaker 1: Can we start there?
Speaker 2: Does Ghost of Michelle have a cura issues?
Speaker 1: I think that it does, even as the person who
Speaker 1: raised as I'm saying, I'm saying, I do think. I
Speaker 1: do think. Actually specifically in this case, I am on
Speaker 1: common side because I think that the technology aspect of
Speaker 1: Ghost of Michelle is incredibly important.
Speaker 6: It's at the core and the transhuman history.
Speaker 1: It's the transhumanism. It's all also just like aesthetically and
Speaker 1: the images that leave an impact on us. They are
Speaker 1: about the technology, they are about the way that this
Speaker 1: character moves throughout this super high tech world. So I
Speaker 1: actually think Ghost of Michelle is sci Fi. I'm onside, I.
Speaker 3: Lean to agree with you.
Speaker 1: Any other issues I have something else?
Speaker 5: I guess I have a please, I guess I have
Speaker 5: a question Karmen about Companion. I haven't seen it, but
Speaker 5: earlier we raised the potential issue of is this horror
Speaker 5: first and sci fi second? And isn't Companion also about
Speaker 5: like falling in love with Ai? So are we running
Speaker 5: into her issue here as well?
Speaker 6: Well, he's actually not in love with her, He's okay, No,
Speaker 6: she's a possession the way.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say the issue with Companion is that
Speaker 1: you could argue, and I really enjoyed this movie too,
Speaker 1: I think that you could argue that Companion is like
Speaker 1: a broader movie kind of in this space of like
Speaker 1: a ton of Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but more
Speaker 1: in like a comedy crime space. But the movie doesn't
Speaker 1: exist without the Companion technology.
Speaker 6: Yes, so I mean we do have to.
Speaker 1: I don't think it exists today or yes, no, no, No,
Speaker 1: it's a full it's imagine if you had a imagine
Speaker 1: if you essentially had like a sex robo, but like
Speaker 1: it's not just like it's not just like a Silicon
Speaker 1: sext door like they sell now. It's a full human
Speaker 1: being who also doesn't know that they're a robot sentience
Speaker 1: and it's controlled by an app. So we're kind of
Speaker 1: far away from that, maybe only thirty I'm gonna look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say my controversial opinion here, which I feel
Speaker 1: like has probably just been absolutely erased by the fact
Speaker 1: that we just voted Blade Runner twenty forty nine through.
Speaker 1: I think that Blade Ranner, Oh, he has a lot
Speaker 1: of the same issues as a Kira. It's noir, It's
Speaker 1: it's about a visual I escape there. It's not a
Speaker 1: lot of conversation about how a replicant exists or a
Speaker 1: replicant is more just like something that is created and
Speaker 1: is human and robot.
Speaker 6: It also raises questions of transhumanism.
Speaker 1: I think, no, it's honestly the fact that the replicants
Speaker 1: are like the main point. I can't really argue this,
Speaker 1: but I will say some of the arguments used against
Speaker 1: Kira esthetically the way.
Speaker 2: I think that there is I think, to me, the
Speaker 2: biggest question mark on this is the fifth element, which
Speaker 2: I think has I thought.
Speaker 1: Enough fantasy elements Like it's really.
Speaker 2: It's you know, we're talking about like ancient Egyptian culture
Speaker 2: like integrating with this high space operatness that doesn't actually
Speaker 2: have any discussion of it's more like just by that
Speaker 2: this whole world exists and that there's like an ancient
Speaker 2: Egyptian space cult that has a chosen one that has
Speaker 2: risen again after they've been broken out of like their
Speaker 2: like rock Crypt. It feels like this could be an
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones movie, also, which I agree has sci fi elements,
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to raise it.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's objectively true that the fifth element
Speaker 2: does not rise to the Joel definition.
Speaker 1: It does not, but I will say fifth element, this
Speaker 1: to me is like past flying.
Speaker 6: Future, yeah, and which they create an entire human out
Speaker 6: of just like a little bit of you know.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's take the let's ship this Common.
Speaker 1: I think Common might have the first full five.
Speaker 6: Let's see.
Speaker 2: Let's well, let's vote on it. The fifth element. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's sci fi.
Speaker 6: They generate a whole person.
Speaker 2: I'm I will say that I voted for, but I'm
Speaker 2: like only three and a half ghost in the shell.
Speaker 2: It is sci fi, Gadica, it's sci fi. Great companion,
Speaker 2: it's sci fi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be bleed. N't get it?
Speaker 2: First five?
Speaker 1: You got ya?
Speaker 2: Okay, so everybody's tween Joe and Joelle.
Speaker 4: Let's get your alt okay, uh, the matrix and do
Speaker 4: another Aaron poll. Aaron was upset it wasn't on the list.
Speaker 4: Going back, I agree, it's completely technology based.
Speaker 3: They have to. Yes, everybody knows the whole thing how
Speaker 3: it works.
Speaker 2: Loves this one.
Speaker 1: Also, let's guys, the Matrix. We could have a whole
Speaker 1: episode on the conversations around the Matrix, but this episode
Speaker 1: is already like an hour and half long, so I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's a fucking side. Oh yeah, yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: be okay, a.
Speaker 6: Limited a video game.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So here are are finished lists, starting with Carmen Carmen,
Speaker 2: who is the only person who got every movie through
Speaker 2: the fifth elment nineteen ninety seven, Ghosts in the Shelf
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety five, Ganica from nineteen ninety seven, Companion
Speaker 2: from Just This Summer, Blade Runner from nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: a Boo Children of Men crossed off, replaced with Blade
Speaker 2: Runner twenty forty nine, followed by Her, followed by The
Speaker 2: I Mean the Classic District nine, followed by Arrival, followed
Speaker 2: by Pacific Rim which just sneaks through the portal at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the scene. There we go to my films,
Speaker 2: Edge of Tomorrow, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which
Speaker 2: got through on the Jurassic part corollary Strange Days from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, Aniara from twenty eighteen, An Enemy Mine
Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty five. We Go to Rosie Akira knocked off,
Speaker 2: much to Rosie's complete shock and replaced with the legendary alien,
Speaker 2: followed by Starship Troopers, followed by a RoboCop. It's a
Speaker 2: double Verhoven, followed by Jurassic Park, High Life and the
Speaker 2: underrated Inner Space, which replaces the shock knockoff Cura knocked
Speaker 2: off four to one, followed by the double Verhoven, Starship
Speaker 2: Troopers and RoboCop, and followed by a Jurassic Park which
Speaker 2: created the Jurassic Park corollary. As long as the science
Speaker 2: essential to the creation of everything else that follows, it
Speaker 2: only has to be in the first ten minutes of
Speaker 2: the movie, and then in High Life, and then finally
Speaker 2: Joelle The Day the Earth Stood Still from nineteen fifty one,
Speaker 2: pineer and classic in the genre, The Fly from nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six. Jeff Goldbloom is hot and shirtless. The Matrix
Speaker 2: replaces everything everywhere all it.
Speaker 1: Was a shock knockoff Scandal.
Speaker 2: Of the Iron Giant for nineteen ninety nine, which I
Speaker 2: contend should not be There, but it's there and Alien
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine. Wow, those are our films.
Speaker 1: What is the audience think?
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Speaker 2: Tell us what you think should be in there? What
Speaker 2: are your definitions of sci fi? And that's it for
Speaker 2: this episode. This has been really fun. Thanks for hanging
Speaker 2: with us. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're
Speaker 2: continuing our summer movie coverage with another popcorn pop out
Speaker 2: and we'll give you our immediate reaction to the live
Speaker 2: action How to Train Your Dragon and discuss live action
Speaker 2: remakes are they worth it or not? Hi, Carmen, Aboo, Joelle,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us.
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